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[Nexus 6P Accessories] slickromeo:
so I dug around to see where i read that thing i mentioned earlier. and I found it..

here

https://www.google.com/nexus/6p/?utm_source=gstore&utm_medium=info&utm_campaign=nexus_6p

you'll notice it keeps saying things like those in these screenshots i've attached (see attachments)

and then you'll notice that each of these statements for rapid charging, have an asterisk next to them, or better said, a little number 7 superscript at the end of these rapid charging claims.

i scrolled down to the bottom of the page, to find out what the #7 disclaimer is... and here is what I found...

Rapid Charging (i.e. get 7 hours of battery life in 10 minutes charge) ... "Only applies to optimized Nexus devices, such as Nexus 6P and Nexus 5X, charged using the included USB Type-C 15W (5V/3A) charger. Battery must be substantially depleted; charging rate slows as charging progresses. All battery life claims are approximate and based on an average mixed use profile that includes both usage and standby time."

so charging rate slows (which i assume means the amps decrease) as the charging progresses...

which is why I want to test the charger I have when the phone is below 15% battery life...
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Brandito:
Do it whenever you like, but I've gotten 3a at around 50%.

Not like it'll break anything.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] epicoftimewasted:
Are there any chargers that have a removable USB-C cable? That Tronsmart one looks nice, but I'm not sure I like having a permanent cable attached.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] MoNsTeReNeRgY22:
Anyone have any luck with this car charger? On sale today for ~ $7

http://slickdeals.net/f/8164658-aukey-quick-charge-2-0-30w-2-port-car-charger-3-3-micro-usb-cable-8
[Nexus 6P Accessories] slickromeo:
FALSE ADVERTISING ! OPSO Car Charger Failed to charge at 5V/3A

The OPSO Car Charger failed to charge at 5V/3A

I purchased this OPSO car charger

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O4678C

and used it with these USB-A to USB-C charging cables

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013RMG5WY

on my Nexus 6P when the battery was substantially depleted to 12%.

the results were varied, charging fluctuated between 1 amp and 1.7 amps

See the Attached Screenshot for proof.

In spite of the Nexus 6P saying that it is "charging rapidly" on the lock screen... the OPSO charger was not charging it at 5V/3A...

in other words... the OPSO Charger that advertises 5V/3A Charging, is false advertising....
[Nexus 6P Accessories] bmdixon:
Just a heads up for anyone who has bought additional A->C USB cables, Benson Leung (a Googler who worked on Pixel C) has started posting reviews on a number of cables that are potentially dangerous as they do not conform to the USB Type C Specification and could cause damage to the device/charger.

See his Google+ post, and his reviews. One of the ones that is not compatible is the 'Orzly USB 2.0 Type C to Type A Cables (Assorted Colours)' (which i ordered and am now in the process of returning).
[Nexus 6P Accessories] fury683:
Sorry this is slightly off topic.. I love GSAM battery monitor but it hasn't worked for me on my 6p yet. When I use it the app is super laggy and none of the percentages work. It shows lots of variables like $1 and $2 instead all throughout the app. I am rooted and had the root companion app installed. It worked fine on 6.0 for my Nexus 6, but no dice on my 6p. I have a feeling it might be related to Busybox? I have never installed Busybox myself (with the app specifically) but I notice that the first time I run Root File Explorer it says it needs some additional utilities. In the past I click OK to install them and it downloads them and installs. Now on my 6p I click OK and the screen goes away instantly. I'm guessing whatever it installs is what allows GSAM to work. Yesterday I installed Busybox with the app from Play Store and then tried GSAM, but it still didn't work.

Last night I flashed the new security update and tried GSAM again, with the same result.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] slickromeo:
Does this mean that the OPSO charger, might actually be working? and that the orzly USB-C cable is to blame ?

Also, [MENTION=3351823]fury683[/MENTION]: I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about in layman terms. i see no $1 and $1 variables when i open the app, and this is the same app that droid-life used to test the tronsmart car charger, and is the reason tronsmart chargers are selling so well, is because this app was used to test it...
[Nexus 6P Accessories] fury683:
Yeah I know DL used it and I've seen you and others post screenshots.. for whatever reason mine won't work. I uninstalled/reinstalled multiple times with and without the root companion. It shows XX:XX for the times and at the top where it says "Used 23% in 4h 26m" (example) it says "Used $1 in $2".
[Nexus 6P Accessories] RED ZMAN:
Have you tried Ampere?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] fury683:
I had it installed briefly but I don't recall it showing in depth stats, just the current charging rate. I will look again to see if it replicates most of what I used in GSAM.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] threshfire:
Info on Tronsmart

Following up on this, he's made a brief post on his G+ on the Tronsmart car charger, but hasn't made a full diagnosis yet:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3ri9ew/the_google_engineer_who_reviews_the_usb_a_to_usb/

Hope he gets back with more detail soon! This is definitely looking to be the best charger for the 6P that I've seen, even without the coiled cables, unfortunately.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Kusanagi Fire:
Sorry for the off topic. I haven't been able to get GSAM to work properly on the 6P either. I know it's not a 6.0 issue since it works perfectly on my N6. I imagine it has something to do with how the app is being installed on the 6P. This is similar to how Layers Manager had to change its app for it to work on the 5X and 6P even though it was working fine on 6.0. I'll wait to see an update to the app on my N6 before trying GSAM again.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] fury683:
Thanks! I wasn't aware of that. I don't have my N6 anymore, so I guess I'll just have to check it every so often to see if it's been updated. Hope dev fixes. I want to buy the pro version with my Play credit from the 6p.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] haic:
Thanks!!! Very helpful information
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Empty Hand:
I came across this site. The charger isn't out yet, but looks promising: http://blog.blitzwolf.com/here-is-the-bw-c3-car-charger.html
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
Nice, good to see more Type C chargers coming down the pike.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] shigga:
Using this in the car http://www.bestbuy.com/site/platinu...lack/1638009.p?id=1219507978204&skuId=1638009 and this in the house http://www.bestbuy.com/site/platinu...lack/1637019.p?id=1219507977948&skuId=1637019. This cable http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013RMG6SM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00. Work great and fast charing.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Splifff:
Can people stop saying it's fast charging and post what mah they are getting with specified cable/charger combo?! So frustrating that there is still no clear answer on if there actually is a cable/charger that provides the full 3A :/
[Nexus 6P Accessories] halon17:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Yoobao-YB-CCar1-Type-C-USB-Car-Charger-3A-Output-Fast-Charging-High-Compatibility-Stylish/32476989413.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.119.pKk0pD&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_9

$10 if someone wants to give it a try.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] GuinnessX:
That's the same one that's been posted here many times under various Chinese manufacturer names.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] weavethesource:
I already have this car charger:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LJT2EPK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00

which is rated at 2.4A, and I ordered this cable recommended by Benson Leung, which is rated for a 2.4A maximum in-spec:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk

I don't think it will be full-speed rapid charging, but I expect it may be faster than usual and it's definitely a safe route to take. My 6p should arrive Monday so if anyone's curious about results just let me know ^^
[Nexus 6P Accessories] fury683:
Not sure if this is good or bad. I guess I'll just get one of those cables that the Google engineer said was good for A to C and use that with my Motorola Turbo car charger until something solid comes out.

https://twitter.com/HuaweiDeviceUSA/status/662656398484897793
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Darryl991:
The bloody thing tripped my engine management warning light.

Read the code and it said something about a voltage issue.

Reset it and seems fine now.

Must remember to unplug the phone before turning the ignition off.

And to get a new in car charger. ☺
[Nexus 6P Accessories] kpj313:
My charger https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00KTBOUQK/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Stopped working, I plugged it into the outlet next to it without the phone attached to my Tronsmart type C to USB and popped the fuse. So I checked both fuses and yup both blown... not sure if it's the Tronsmart cable or not, I'll replace the fuses and try another cord.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Matrix_19:
about the Tronsmart car charger :

https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/LH4PPgVrKVN
[Nexus 6P Accessories] indianajonze:
well that's just great. this means that as far as i can tell, there are exactly zero usable type c car chargers out there
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Rattles:
i am really starting to regret going with a type c device. yes i know its still in the early stages and i am sure more accessories will pop up but i have my phone now and all these issues with cables and chargers are starting to annoy me.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] ylexot:
I'm just curious what he means by "brown out the charger". I know what a brown out is, but just because it isn't supplying 3A doesn't make it bad. As long as it can continuously supply it's max amperage without overheating/failing, it's fine.

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I found a comment on G+ with a little more detail on what he means by a brown out:

"having the phone alternating between charging and not charging could very well be a symptom of the cable using the incorrect 3A resistor setting. The phone would start charging at a high level and the other side would brown out because the phone is drawing too much power, leading the phone to think it was disconnected and stop charging. Once it stops charging, the other side recovers and the cycle starts again.

This is exactly the behavior the spec was meant to avoid, and I would suggest holding off on using that cable until further notice.﻿"
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Matrix_19:
Does anyone knows when this one will be available : http://blog.blitzwolf.com/here-is-the-bw-c3-car-charger.html

?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dtdmdrums:
I don't understand the concern people have. Yes, I understand that the pull up resistor identifies the cable as 3A capable, when the USB A cable spec states a maximum of 2.4A, but if a charger can only supply 2A (just example), you will only get 2A supplied to your device. Is everyone saying that I shouldn't use a 1A capable charger on any number of USB devices that support 2A charging? That's bull... The device will just charge slower.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] folsom68:
The brownout problem would not occur if the current started low (like 0.5A) and then increased. The charger ICs have a mechanism to stop increasing the current when the voltage drops. This can occur when the cable resistance is high or the charger starts supplying more than the rated current.

Unfortunately the spec says to start at the high current and the ramp down. The spec writers were concerned about charge time, and they thought the time for the charge to ramp up to max would increase charge time too much. I think the slight increase in charge time is more than made up with interoperability.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] indianajonze:
The concern is that if you read the comments by the guy from Google, these out of spec cables and chargers have the potential of damaging your phone. Pretty big issue if you ask me
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
It does start low, per specifications, but the pullup resistor in the cable literally signals the UFP (upstream facing port - aka, the phone) to pull up the current to higher levels.

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Why do these resistors need to exist in Type C cables? With Type-A and B connectors, you always knew what direction the cable was working. The Type-A was your source (PC, laptop, charger, HUB, etc.). Type-B, mini & micro were your peripherals (phones, printers, monitors, etc.). As such, you could just define power is going to be X. You could get a bit more fancy with things, like in the USB 2.0 BC2.1 protocol, where you use the 2 existing data pins to ask for more juice. In the case of USB 3, more pins were added, which allowed more power to be drawn if those pins were present.

With a universal and reversible connection (Type-C) which is designed to be somewhat future proof, they had to (and wanted to) transcend existing power delivery methods. Remember, the same Type-C port is going to be on all devices - the computer and phone will have the same port. The left end of a cable can be plugged in on either side of a connection. So, to intelligently negotiate power, they needed a new way. One of the new pins / wires that are included in a Type-C connection is the "CC" or Configuration Channel pin. Through these new methods, devices can intelligently communicate who is the source, who is the peripheral, exactly what power each needs and/or can provide.

When you convert a connection from type C to type A, you have to take into consideration that the CC pin is missing in the Type-A port. Something has to properly identify to the phone that it was plugged into a legacy device. The pullup resistor is supposed to do this. So, when a cable manufacturer puts a 10 kΩ resistor into the cable (identifying a 3.0A capable Type-C connection), and the phone starts drawing 3.0A, over-current protections have to be engaged (if you're lucky) or brownouts will occur on the charger. Worst case scenario is 5V is maintained, something in the charger overheats or pops, and your charger is toast. I doubt it would start a fire, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility - we *are* talking about electricity here.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] haic:
It just has the potential of damaging charger, hub, pc port. Not the phone.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
Risky assumption? I think so. I'd prefer not to find out. :)
[Nexus 6P Accessories] haic:
I have some doubts about the tests by Benson Leung:

From the USB Type-C Cable and connector Specification Revision 1.1 , it can be seen that USB2.0 Standard-A to USB2.0Type-C USB2.0 Current Cable can take 3A current.

And in the item 4.11.1 of the Revision 1.1, it refers to the current concerns with the ohm of Rp.

From the form, it is clear that when the Rp of the USB 2.0 to Type-C cable is 56KΩ, the current will be 500m or 1500mA. But this point is contradictory with the Item 3.13 that the USB2.0 Standard-A to USB2.0Type-C USB2.0 Current Cable can take 3A current.

So in what situation/specification, the USB2.0 Standard-A to USB2.0Type-C USB2.0 cable current can reach to 3A?:confused:
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
Section 3 of the USB Type-C spec defines the mechanical requirements. Table 3-2 defines what the cable itself must be RATED to carry. It's similar to the wiring in your house (assuming you live in the US). Your home wiring is RATED to carry 20A, but the breaker it is connected to is probably 15A. This is designed to provide safe tolerances.

Section 4 defines power delivery, and so yes, Table 4.13 in section 4.11.1 correctly defines what values need to be used to identify a current source.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
The answer is: In no situation should a Type-C connection with a Type-A adaptor ever reach 3A.

View attachment 3536037
[Nexus 6P Accessories] folsom68:
The issue is that the when the phone sees a 10kohm resistor, it immediately ramps to 3A. If the ramp was slow, then the charger IC's undervoltage protection would stop the current increase when the charger hits max current.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] indianajonze:
you're not thinking this through. he mentions it can damage charger, hub or pc, assuming you're connecting the cables to a chromebook pixel. if you're connecting to a phone, substitute pc with phone. either way, he mentions you can damage your hardware. do with that info what you will

---------- Post added at 09:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:35 AM ----------

but what about a type c connection with a usb 3.1 type a connector? usb 3.1 type a is *supposed* to support everything type c does, which that chart above indicates
[Nexus 6P Accessories] ydooby:
Has anyone tried simply using the original wall charger with a car inverter to charge the 6P? I know it isn't the most energy-efficient setup but am just wondering if it works to charge to 6P at maximum speed in a car.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] kpj313:
Thanks for the feed back!
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
That is backward, actually. Type-C was defined after 3.1. It incorporates USB 2.0 and other prior standards for backward compatibility, and uses 3.x data protocols to reach it's 10GB/s transfer speeds, but Type-C - in it's entirety - is a completely different specification from previous USB specs. It greatly exceeds legacy standards. Also, please keep in mind USB 3.1 is data transfer, Type-A is a connection type. Using the term USB 3.1 in regards to physical connections is misleading at times. It would be like saying "plug your TCP/IP cable into the router" instead of "plug your ethernet cable into the router".

So, if I were to adjust your statement, I would instead say: USB Type-C is supposed to support everything USB 3.1 does.

---------- Post added at 10:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:31 AM ----------

Also, the chart shows current ratings far below 3A. =)
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
That would be news to the USB Forum since their own Power Delivery spec allows up to 3A in profiles 3 & 4 and up to 5A in profile 5 from Type A to Type C connections. Of course, those are 12V and 20V each because nowhere in the Power Delivery specification does it specify 3A at 5V.

Does it signal anything to anyone that the next two follow-on Type C products, the Sony Z5 and Microsoft 950XL, both follow USB PD, do not do 5V/3A and have actually fast charging technologies (QC 2.0) rather than just dumping an extra amp of current to the battery.

Assuming a 5V/3A charger appears that has a Type A port (not a given since no other USB devices use 5V/3A), you might need to use Benson's handy recommendations list of out of spec cables so the 6P doesn't know it is connected to a legacy port and might actually draw 3A from it. Though I was able to get 1900mA out of a 2A Type A wall charger using the official Google cable Type A to Type C cable.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Empty Hand:
It looks like the new Blitzwolf car charger is about to be released. The webpage is up, but the links for purchasing are not active:http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-...,-or-Apple-Macbook-12-inch-and-more-p-16.html

I noticed a possible discrepancy in the description, however, and have emailed their support for clarification: On the Product Specifications it shows Type-C Output: 5V/3A, but lower in the pictures, it points to the Type-C cable and says "USB Output: 2.4A." This seems to contradict each other unless I am misunderstanding something. I will update once I receive a response from them.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
Sorry mate. If you're just casually browsing the PD specification doc, you should realize it only defines PD for legacy Type A, B, micro, etc... ports and cables. Type-C specifications for PD are in the Type-C doc. Unfortunately, PD doesn't work with Type-C devices when you use a Type-A adaptor or cable.

I'll go ahead and leave these here...

Legacy Type-A to Type-C:

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But if you read and understood the PD specs, you'd also see that Type-A PD ports and cables require extra pins and an electronically marked cable for PD to work. I've checked all the chargers and cables I have. No pin 10 or 11.

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Without that, it can't use PD.

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As I said in another thread, you need to stop pulling random information out of spec sheets and using them to misinform the community. You do the community, and yourself, a huge disservice.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
The Sony Z5 uses microUSB, not Type-C. It does not use USB PD.

The 950XL uses a USB 3.1 Type-C port and fully functional Type-C cables to support connections to their Display Dock / Continuum environment. Those Type-C cables, by specification requirements, must be PD capable. The phone itself will never need more than Type-C 5V 3A. It does not use QC 2.0.

Do you read or fact check anything you post to XDA?

Please stop telling people to use out of spec cables. Also... 1900mA is 1.9A, so getting that from a 2A charger isn't surprising.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] ac16313:
This. So much.

Sent from me.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] kellybrf:
[MENTION=6986419]Tronsmart[/MENTION], trying to send you a pm but the forum says I can't. is your inbox full?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] africamonk:
need ! if it works !:p
[Nexus 6P Accessories] akenis:
I ordered the same cable based on recommendations here.

Anyone else have comment on the above charger? We have so many talk about cables, and not much talk about the brick/adapter.

I tried charging with Apple iPad 2.4 A brick and got 1.6 max. Also tried Apple Type C brick and got 1A max. My phone was at 50% power at that time, so not sure if that limited draw?

Is anything QC rated going to give at least 2.4 A? (Like the charger linked above). Hell, I'd be happy with that if nothing gets fried.

Wonder what I am going to get from Nexus 7 2A brick?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Gibodean:
I'm thinking to just order an inverter like this for $17 and use my existing charger:

BESTEK-Inverter-Charger-Charging-Shared (sorry, I can't post a link. Just search on Amazon.)

It can do 75W continuous so the 15W of our little charger should be fine.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] akenis:
Was able to cancel my order. Got msg from seller:

2 of USB Type-C Car Charger,Tronsmart 36W 2 Ports Rapid Car Charger with Quick Charge 2.0 Technology.Attached USB Type C Cord for Nexus 6P, Nexus 5X (Addit [ASIN: B0146FK3G0]

------------- Begin message -------------

Dear Friend

we cancelled your order as your request,we think you should read benson's review.our charger works well with nexus 6p.

And we contact with USB Association,ask them to state something about usb type c specs.

you will get answers soon.thanks

Gary
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dorioo:
Benson posted a review already for the Tronsmart? I don't see it on the amazon product page. I've only seen Benson's google plus comments and a reference to doing more testing before posting a review. Maybe the seller is referring to something else? Do you have a sense of what the seller is referring to?

This is the most recent thing I'm aware of from Benson:

"I've just tested the Tronsmart quick charger with a built in Type-C cable. The news isn't good. It's a captive cable (meaning you can't remove it from the charger) so I had some hope that it would the identification resistor and internal tolerances right.

It has the same 3A identifier as many of the bad cables, which in this case isn't an instant deal-breaker, but what happened next proved it.

I plugged in my Chromebook Pixel, it tried to draw 3.0A, and it browned out the charger.

Looking carefully at the ratings on the side of the charger, it says it's only rated at 5V x 2.4A on each port (including the captive Type-C) but they don't use the right resistor for that. They need to use Default USB Power as well, but are using 3A. Those 600mA between 2.4 and 3.0 is enough to brown it out.

I need to gather some more data before I can put together a review.﻿"​

https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/LH4PPgVrKVN