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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] someguyatx:
Yeah the Turbo is a great device, I've had two and the wife, her brother and dad all still use theirs. I just can't get over the painfully slow updates and now that I'm device shopping again I can't even look at anything Moto. I think Nexus 5X is probably next for me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] paulhauth25:
If they don't give us marshmallow at least give us an update that unlocks the bootloader so we can do what we want with the phone. Since we are paying for the phone anyways
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gangrenius:
We already have boot loader unlock bro
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] paulhauth25:
Yeah if you unlocked bootloader before the latest update which I didn't do.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Well... you had six months to do so.

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Verizon may wait until September, when the "exclusive" label falls off the Moto Z phones. Right now 2014 Quark with Marshmallow is arguably equal to or in a few ways better than 2016 Moto Z with Marshmallow --- especially if you already own one. ;)

2016 Moto Z vs 2014 Droid Turbo vs ZTE Axon 7- specs

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...e,Motorola-DROID-Turbo/phones/10101,8956?ft=2

yeah, Moto Z has faster CPU, and 4GB RAM vs 3GB RAM -- but both have 1440p AMOLED. And Droid Turbo (all Quarks, actually) have Qi wireless charging built in (instead of having to buy a silly mod), plus headset jack. AND a bigger battery. Yes, the smaller Quark has a bigger battery than the Moto Z. :rolleyes:

Also, I prefer the 5.2" form factor over the 5.5" unless the bezels are super slim -- and the Moto Z does NOT have super-slim bezels, due to the poor implementation of the fingerprint sensor. (ZTE AXON 7 has 5.5" 1440p AMOLED with on-screen fingerprint sensor. THAT is the way to do it! And the ZTE phone has headset jack, still.)

What I am saying is the ZTE Axon 7 is more what Moto should have done

But, even though the ZTE Axon 7 has CDMA and Verizon's LTE bands, Verizon has not yet authorized the phone to work on Verizon's network. Verizon is pushing their own "exclusive" Moto Z Droid phones. But, when the exclusive quarantine drops and people can buy the Moto Z anywhere and without Verizon bloatware, then Motorola may allow the older Droid Turbo to get Verizon official Marshmallow.

Right now a Droid Turbo XT1254 with Marshmallow would be too much competition to help persuade people to buy new not-that-good Moto Z Droid phones with Marshmallow.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
You can buy a good used turbo under $150. I have 2 and might buy another or get a turbo 2. I like the Turbo though over all. Turbo 2 is okay.

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Verizon will not push a update right now. ChazzMatt is correct. It would take away buyers for the new phones. Why upgrade when your turbo is getting the newest update. Unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM. Turbo is better now. No need for MM now.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dbornack:
I'm perfectly happy with my Turbo stock. Even if we didn't get MM, I could actually see myself using this phone beyond the 2-year mark. But, I love the latest and greatest stuff, so I'll likely get the flagship that's out around the holidays. Usually, I buy the flagship at the one year point for full price because I have so much want for the new stuff. This is the first phone in 6 years I haven't done that with.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
I'm pretty sure the Z Force is the Quark-style successor this time around. I don't really see a problem with that, either. Aside from the price, it seems like an excellent product.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
I'm hoping for something better. Something that gives you all the basic functionality (Qi, stereo speakers) built in. Like REAL phones do. I am NOT going to buy stupid add-on mods to have only 1 function at a time for something I should ALREADY HAVE when I pay for the phone.

Also, I want better fingerprint sensor, not the ugly "postage stamp" crap at the bottom they have now. ZTE AXON 7 has on-screen fingerprint sensor. Motorola can't do that?

Moto Z series is disappointment.

In fact, GO COMPARE the ZTE Axon 7 and the Moto Z Force. I can show you how the ZTE is arguably better AND CHEAPER. (headphone jack, stereo speakers, on-screen fingerprint sensor)

Look at these phones below. These are BOTH 5.5" 1440p AMOLED displays. But the ZTE is SMALLER PHONE, yet has built-in stereo speakers, on-screen fingerprint sensor, headphone jack! Also the ZTE has a MINIMUM of 64GB plus microSD card -- and is still LESS expensive!

Why can't Motorola make something like that, but also with Qi and IR sensors? Guess their design engineers are idiots! :rolleyes:

Motorola Moto Z Force vs ZTE Axon 7 (specs comparison)

(ZTE Axon 7 comes in gold and silver, but silver is pictured above)

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Motorola-Moto-Z-Force,ZTE-Axon-7/phones/10101,10068?ft=2

And YES, the ZTE Axon 7 has Verizon's CDMA/LTE bands, but Verizon has to approve it to be used on their network. Let's hope they will. That ZTE is what Verizon should be pushing instead of the Moto Z crap.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] iiWoodstocK:
I thought the fingerprint sensor was the rear button, like the Nexus 5X/6P, V10, etc
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
you mean on ZTE Axon 7? No, it is actually on-screen.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] iiWoodstocK:
Yea, I'm talking about the Axon 7. Everywhere I look says it's a rear fingerprint sensor.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Let's be honest. If you care about updates, nexus is the only applicable phone. If you don't care, there is very little reason to get a moto at this point. There is nothing outstanding about the lineup any more and they come out late in the update cycle. A q4 premium moto would be only marginally better than a s7 in terms of specs. I love moto but they've lost their perch.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, I'm seeing that now too, but I swear the early review said on-screen which I remembered because it was impressive. Let me look some more.

They changed soft buttons for capacitive buttons in the final production version, so maybe they changed that too? :confused:

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EDIT:

I see my confusion. It was from LG, not ZTE:

Championing the under-glass: LG's new fingerprint scanner goes under the screen

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ph...reader-under-your-smartphone-s-screen-1320178
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] quadcrap1:
Well...At full retail, yes.

On the other hand, you can get a minty Droid Turbo for well under $200 and it's a fine choice at that price.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
I wouldn't recommend a turbo at this point unless you had to spend under 200 for a device. Even then, you can get a nexus 6 for that price (as well as the nexus 5x for about 200).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
I don't know, I upgraded from a g2 to one about a month ago and I have been pretty pleased with it so far.

If you aren't worried about updates, it seems like a solid device.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
That was what I upgraded from a year and a half ago and would still be a good upgrade from one. The turbo is a solidly built device with specs that were mostly top notch 2 years ago, but unless you have very specific budget requirements it doesn't make much sense to purchase. G2 to a nexus 6/5x would have been a great upgrade as well.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
True, although the battery life on those is not as good as the turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Exactly and the n6 is gigantic (which is why I have a turbo). Right now I'm in wait mode for the new nexus. With Android being progressively locked down (a wonderful thing btw) and the majority of devs not even bothering with non-nexus, to me nexus (even with the little issues with them) is the only real choice.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
Yeah, I bet the next Nexus would make a great upgrade. Although the rumors lately about rebranding the Verizon versions worry me a little.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
You shouldn't. Verizon nexus 6 was relatively unmolested and continues to receive all nexus updates. It's obviously preferable to buy directly from Google, but if you can get it for cheaper from Verizon on a deal then it might be worth it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
This is what I was referring to:

http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...ht-rename-googles-upcoming-nexus-devices.html

They may not be as close to stock Android as they used to be. Maybe not such a big deal though if they still get updates and bootloader unlocks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Yup exactly what I saw l read as well. As long as it has an unlockable bootloader it'll still be a nexus regardless of the Verizon preloads. I bet it has a few Verizon specific apps and maybe the Verizon name on the back. Not a big deal to me as long as updates are same, which they should be.

Getting back to the turbo, Verizon and moto should be ashamed of themselves. They aren't, but should be. Devices this old get eol'd pretty regularly on Verizon, so I'm not surprised they aren't in a hurry to release marshmallow. There aren't enough turbo users to bother them anyway no matter what we do.

To me there are really only two oems of any merit now: whomever is putting out the nexus (really Google since they do the support) and Samsung. Oems need to simplify their product lineups and thereby simplify their support responsibilities. Putting out one device per tier that works on all networks would serve them and the customer well. Unfortunately it's expensive and time consuming to do that (especially the Verizon and Sprint certifications). Look at the Robin CDMA situation for example. I'm glad that the smaller oems are putting pressure on the big guys, but they need to prove they can produce quality services with consistent support.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
ANYWAYYYYYYY........back in the land of Make-Believe, we await, Methuselah-like, for an elusive update to Marshmallow.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gangrenius:
Bahhhhaha this is what you get when u root and flash new rom, stock was like 51,000
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] quadcrap1:
Again, it depends on what's important to you.

In terms of hardware, the Nexus 6 and the Droid Turbo are basically almost identical except:

Nexus 6: Larger screen, OIS for camera, smaller batter (lesser battery life), smaller resolution camera

Droid Turbo: Bigger battery, smaller (more manageable) screen size, no OIS but greater resolution camera

The other advantage of the Nexus 6, of course, is that it is still getting OTA updates and it's officially supported on all four networks.

I have both the Nexus 6 and the Droid Turbo and I find myself reaching for the Droid Turbo much more of the time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rand0m1ze:
My clearly stock SU4TL-49 5.1 with locked bootloader reach 78,250
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gangrenius:
Yeah right prove it. No stock 5.1anywhere has reached that. Check the internet. Check antutu

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Might be 78,000 Yuan hahaha
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rand0m1ze:
I can't send link becouse of <10 posts.

Why you do not believe me?

Results in internet about 40-50k was with old version of antutu... In new version antutu it's posible to reach about 80k
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
Yeah, I just got 78k with a stock Droid Turbo and the latest AnTuTu.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gangrenius:
Well post these screenshots for proof
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
So you are saying the new version of Antutu "goes to 11". ;) The phone is not any REALLY faster than before, of course, Antutu is just giving you higher scores to make you feel better.

In "This is Spinal Tap", the rockers liked the speakers where the volume knobs went to "11". Most manufacturers make speakers with 10 as the highest. They found a model where 11 was the highest number on the knob. But that doesn't meant the "11" knob speakers are actually any louder than other speakers. "Yeah, but see, it goes to '11'."
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rand0m1ze:
Yes! Absolutely right. Antutu gives more scores with newer versions.

Oh! I ever didn't know about "goes to 11")) good story)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Just replaced the screen (burn-in) and battery (poor performance) in anticipation of giving my Turbo a totally fresh Marshmallow experience. 8 Aug, and still only the leaked wifi report. Nougat is off the shelf, other Quarks have Mm. Absolutely insulting. Disgraceful.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
What do you mean fresh MM experience? For the Turbo or Turbo 2? Unless your Turbo is bootloader unlock. I have not seen a custom mm for Turbo yet.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
XT1254, Turbo. I am unlocked, and want to get rid of bloatware, but eagerly awaiting what may become available when Mm is released.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
Computerfreek has a mm rom coming soo. I need to check back. I bought a employee edition Turbo that has never been used. Had the 4.4.4 it came with and never had an update. Software date is Octobers. I have my turbo I first bought that got broke as we leave it at that. It's unlocked. I been looking for a good deal on a bad esn or a good low price turbo. I need the frame and screen. I do not want to use the employee one yet. Like a sports car hehe.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Screen/frame runs about $150. You'll need a new speaker, if you damage the original trying to remove it for transfer. You'll also need a new power button. Same reason.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Kinda wondering whether the Marshmallow delay is somehow retribution for all the bootloaders that got unlocked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
If a developer makes one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
True, but it may not have all the current radio/security/stock-specific functions already cooked in.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
I think it's more Verizon wants to push the weak Moto Z series while they have the limited "exclusive" window, besides the fact they don't really care about updates. Verizon is ALWAYS the slowest. Always.

And the proof is the XT1225 got official Marshmallow in July, even for carrier editions (like Claro in Puerto Rico).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
Do you really think that Verizon cares what phone you use with them?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
They won't let us use just anything....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
They care about selling new Droid phones before updating old ones.

Sorry if you didn't understand that point. The update will come after the exclusive period is over.

I don't use Verizon, as I can't stand their policies.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
I am betting they do not care about us. It's just money they want. They are so rich and they know people will buy new phones no matter what. There is a large % that has no knowledge that we have on phones.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jsight:
They really aren't that picky about unlocked devices. The few rules that they do have are ultimately kind of reasonable.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
Truth be told, I haven't had any issues myself. I just recall reading some folks having a time bringing non-vzw Nexus devices unless they already had a sim.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
They don't care about us at all. It has nothing to do with the droid z or the exclusivity period. The truth is that most phones don't receive the same length of support that they used to. They feel their obligation ends once they kick out a few big fixes and one main line os update. Moto doesn't even have they many personnel working on updates anymore since Lenovo fired most of the group.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Cobra04:
They legally have to let any phone with capable hardware function on their network.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
But they don't have to make it easy either. :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
It's real sad actually. My Droid Turbo will be my last Motorola phone. It was a good company at one time. It's likely I'll have a Nexus or LG phone next time around in a few years. just replace the screen and Battery, so I'm good for at least 2 years, hopefully.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Moondroid:
I've never had any problem at all getting a modded phone working on Verizon. In the past (going on) 2 years every phone I've connected to VZW has been rooted, and most have been bl-unlocked. VZW wants active customers, just like everybody else. Google wants everybody in the world to plug in. Amazon wants to buy and sell everything everywhere in the world. I remember when (not so long ago) a bag of coffee was a full pound and it was 100% real coffee. And so on.

I've been with VZW for almost all of 21 years, because they were the only ones (I tried 3 others) who could get me to work and back without ever losing signal. And through about 25 states from FL to (Canada and) Colorado, all on network. This without ever having any sort of billing or contract problem. Not trying to fluff them up at all, or put down anybody else, just saying.

Corporate anything these days is nothing but sell, sell, sell, and we're all slaves to Big Corp in a whole bunch of ways unless we're hermits. The "other guys" have to try harder and even sacrifice a major segment of profit (for a while) just to compete, just to get in the fight and run with the Big Dogs. Said sacrifice does not make them any more saintly than anybody else, and if any of them ever get to the top, will they lose whatever "soul" they might've had before? Most likely, yes.

The Turbo is the best and most enjoyable phone I've ever owned or even held in my hands. Solid as a rock and as attractive as anything out there IMO. And why wait for a stock upgrade to MM? After I found out I could unlock my bootloader (I had it rooted just a few hours after I bought it), it took me all of 4 hours to do that and get a great little 6.0.1 ROM up and running on it. Now I have two solid choices (RR and Bliss) plus a third (AOKP) and I couldn't be happier. I subscribe to this thread just out of curiosity, and maybe if the Turbo ever gets stock MM, I might try it out. But mostly I don't even care, because I've already got it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Coronado is dead:
That's great if you don't need to use data while making a call, but some people need that functionality :(
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
I use computerfreek Roms. They are solid. Only trouble I had was I wanted to wipe all data to clean up junk and I was not able to make or receive calls.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Antutu v6 vs Antutu v5.X

OK, this exchange made me curious. I dug up old Antutu scores on my Quark and then upgraded to new Antutu version 6. I can easily compare old vs new because I am still running CM12.1 on my phone. I've not yet updated to custom Marshmallow ROM.

Result? On new Antutu version 6 I got over 79K! :rolleyes: Definitely INFLATED SCORES over older version. I'm still running CM12.1 (Lollipop 5.1.1) with stock CM kernel. Older versions of Antutu would get 53,000 at most -- really probably about 50K -- on this SAME SETUP.

My 53K Antutu score below (on older Antutu version, v.5.7.1) was from December 2015, also running CM12.1 with BHB kernel on "performance" governor (which will burn battery fast). Without performance mode it was 50K-51K. I did it to prove a point -- because 53Kas a HIGH score -- then quickly switched back to another governor.

The only real difference between this old score and the new score is new version of Antutu. They are both CM12.1 (Lollipop 5.1.1). On the new version score, I'm not even running BHB27 kernel on performance mode, which could give me an even higher score. Right now, I'm just running stock CM12.1 kernel. My point is new version Antutu is obviously inflating scores over older versions to make people feel better.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64148056&postcount=24

This was my phone on CM12.1 when NOT on performance governor. Still on custom kernel BHB27, but more battery friendly governor.

This Antutu score below is stock Kitkat 4.4.4, rooted -- benchmark taken December 2014, on even slightly older version of Antutu, v. 5.5. This is more a baseline. You can see than running a custom ROM and custom kernel didn't make that much difference in Antutu score in version 5.X. I run custom ROMs and kernels more for the user choices, options than for higher Antutu scores.

Only with NEW, IMPROVED Antutu version 6 do scores suddenly jump for no reason! :rolleyes:

You can only compare Antutu scores on the SAME VERSION, not older versions. I'm getting much higher Antutu scores and all I've done is update to the new version! :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] abbykay:
It supports... I went to Africa some months ago, LTE worked i just needed a change of sim cards and a new APN setting
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Bets, anyone?

October 2, 2015

I had said July 2016, and I was right for one of the Quarks, the XT1225 Moto Turbo/"international" Moto Maxx.

My current thinking is September 2016 for the XT1254 Droid Turbo, but well could be October 2016. They promised Marshmallow to this phone in October 2015. Which would mean Motorola/Verizon is so incompetent they can't push out Marshmallow update to a premium phone in a year's time. By that time a few devices will already have Nougat.

Again, this is just for stock Verizon Marshmallow. This phone already has several custom Marshmallow ROMs, thanks to XDA. And there's even a "stock" Marshmallow ROM that will run on the Droid Turbo XT1254, adapted by [MENTION=7109882]iiWoodstocK[/MENTION]. It was released for the XT1225, but he put in CDMA bands, etc. Verizon VoLTE won't work on it, but it's Motorola factory Marshmallow.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TheSt33v:
My bet is on we're never getting it. I think Verizon decided it wasn't worth whatever minuscule effort they have to put forth to push us the already-completed update. As of today, we are (officially) obsolete by two android versions! Woohoo!

Google, I'm counting on you to release some awesome nexuses this year. I'll be the first to pre-order.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Yep. Nougat officially released today. LG is pumping out a new phone with it soon, actually beating Google with the new 2016 Nexus phones.

Google confirms LG V20 first to run Nougat, not the next-gen Nexus

http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v20-first-nougat-smartphone-711819/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bill0405:
Agreed. I'm done with this elected down android phones. Nexus all the way from now on.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] square1230:
****, I here rotting away with lollipop while all have marshmallow, I can not unlock the bootloader because of the cumulative update ****ing
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
There may be hope...

http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo/general/sunshine-bootloader-unlock-su4tl-49-t3445523
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] quadcrap1:
Note: Hope is only for being able to unlock the bootloader for $25 even if you took the most recent OTA update.

Hope does not extend to actually getting a Marshmallow update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Claps1775:
What is so good about MM anyways?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zys52712:
All the new features that come with it.