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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locklear308:
Well, he was very friendly and took a moment to find out. He said his information said "Pentile". Because I specifically asked is it Full RGB or Pentile.

He said Pentile, therefor the 6P is dead to me before it even arrives, and the 5x is also poop (32GB max...and 2GB of ram? No thanks) , so nothing new this September.

Still awaiting a proper replacement to my OPO. Had a Moto X PE but the battery life ended up being garbage. Very disappointed.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italia0101:
Ah OK, well nevermind the world keeps spinning.

Don't know much about that sorta stuff myself, I'm pretty happy with my nexus 6 screen lol.

I thought pentile wasn't as much of a problem at qhd
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Go into a store or if you know someone with an S6 and compare side by side, both on full brightness. The difference will be immediate and drastic.

The sharpness and "HD'ness" is there with the Nexus 6 no problem. Watching 1440p video on this thing is amazing. BUT, try doing that on the S6 and you wont want to use the Nexus 6 anymore.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matrix_19:
The adaptive brightness on the N6P was probably activated... so you can't be sure with this video.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hsrn:
samsung has super amoled plus with rgb matrix (3 subpixels equals 1 pixel) and super amoled with pentile matrix (2 subpixels equals 1 pixel, rg bg matrix).

pentile has only 2/3 of the subpixels therefore doesn't look as sharp (in theory) as the super amoled plus version.

it was a major selling argument in the days where displays didn't have such high pixel density.

but with today's high pixel density screens it's hard to see any difference.

and nowadays even samsung is using (diamond) pentile matrix for their flagship devices.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Apache0c:
It could just be a power saving feature, having less subpixels active. Anandtech says the N6P has an SRGB mode here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9669/hands-on-with-the-nexus-5x-and-6p
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Sorry for falling to your level guys. Didn't know you compare phones on different OS by looking at the specs. You are right, nexus 6p kills the newest iphones :D

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locklear308:
Is the s6 non pentile? Even on the nexus 6 I can see a array of "black dots". It stands out so much to me I cannot stand it. IPS forever
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] razor237:
Guess no one will really know until we have the phone in hand. For me being able to see the screen outside is important. if its anything like the n6 i will most likely send it right back and stick with the moto x pure since IMO the display is nice outside, as good and maybe better then my note 4 was. I would love to have a note 5 its display is stunning but i dont like touch wiz one bit. i wish companies like HTC, LG, Samsung would give you the option too have stock pure android or there xxx front end on setup. google should make it a requirement for them to offer it. just my thoughts nothing else
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Semantics:
The Galaxy S6 and S6E which are touted to have the nicest displays ever both have pentile screens....
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] osi13:
As far as I know the last flagship Samsung has released with an RBG layout is the Note 2. The rest have been pentile. The S6/Note 5 have the best displays on the market according to DisplayMate.

Anandtech's first look said there was toggle in the developer settings to enable sRGB mode, which made the whites look closer to the IPS display in the 5X.

Now we have to wait for the reviews. As long as it's a newer generation Samsung panel I'm not worried about the color accuracy. I've always changed the gamma with custom kernels. I'm much more worried about the efficiency of the panel, and it appears that it's a new gen panel.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locklear308:
But those dang black dots!!! They standout so much to me x.x
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] osi13:
Are you sure those aren't from the digitizer? I've seen them on IPS displays as well.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Locklear308:
Nah, if you look at like the Galaxy S3 is is MUCH more noticeable. Cause of the missing 3rd pixel. AMOLED's without full rgb are missing 1 sub pixel per unit. Well, 2 pixels share 1 sub.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dontbeweakvato:
[MENTION=6760545]ambervals6[/MENTION] My g4 had yellows in it so i flashed the kppd script and now its perfect, well after i did some adjusting of the scripting numbers. Whites are actually white and blacks are black. Its actually very 'vibrant'.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toyanucci:
I'm not even concerned about what amoled panel it's using and here's why. Both MKBHD and the guy from technobuffalo (as well as others) have said from their hands on that the screen looks great. These are people who do reviews for a living. If the panel was poorly calibrated they would notice sooner than you or I so I'm gonna take their word for it that it's a great screen. MKBHD went as far as saying the 6P may very well be his daily driver going forward.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matteventu:
Well, Anandtech hands-on says that it's poorly calibrated...
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mosincredible:
We'll see about the final analysis but as of now, sounds like sRGB takes care of that.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rajendra82:
I think sRGB mode will make the colors more accurate by not using the full native gamut of the panel, which is likely wider. If you want a more accurate look that is somewhat desaturated than what the panel can do, then sRGB colorspace will get you there. In the past the Nexuses were typically tuned for the sRGB gamut by default. In the Nexus 5, there was a way to tune the panel to use full gamut by using a custom kernel and a new table of color tuning table values. Doing this made the colors pop more, but become less accurate. Some people loved that look, despite it being less natural.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cryosx:
There was an AMA by the design team for the phone. They said it was the latest panel from Samsung but calibrated for color accuracy.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jodvova:
That's bull crap.

Last week there was Q&A session with Nexus developers on Reddit and they specifically outlined that they've spent a lot of time calibrating the display.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chilidog:
It's true they did say that but then they changed something in developer settings it was a lot better. Also google still plenty of time to change the software.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jal3223:
At this point we have no way of knowing. It's mainly just speculation. Google did say that they are using Samsung's latest but that may just be the latest that they are selling to competitors. I highly doubt they are using the same panels as the Note 5. I'll be ecstatic if they do, but I'm just trying to be realistic. I mean what was Google suppose to say? They have to generate sales so of course they are going to brag on their display. Only time will tell.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Video I saw just now from a French publication during the event last week. The 6p is shown full brightness next to the 5x and I gotta say...the 6p isn't too bright here. Its outshined by an IPS display no problem.

Auto brightness and all that doesn't matter when the brightness is set to 100%.

https://youtu.be/wH1ssL0LiKI
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsg411:
I noticed this brightness settings also today in that video. Worried me a great deal to see the 6p brightness at Max was barely brighter than N6 at 60%. Setting that lets me know not only is it impossible for 6p screen to be similar to be galaxy screens but it may not even be better than N6 screen.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Look what I posted...

https://youtu.be/wH1ssL0LiKI
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsg411:
I don't speak French..... Whats your point?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
I wrote my point a few posts back. Basically saying the n6 is shown here at 100% brightness and yet the 5x is brighter.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsg411:
Yeah.. . it's upsetting.... When the phone gets here if it's not up to par.... In gonna return it.... switch to t mobile... Get a note 5 and root it and call it a day.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
I may not even buy, and I've had all of the previous Nexus phones, among other flagships.

I'll wait for a review from Pocket Now or MKBHD and go from there. My wife wants the S6 edge and I may do the same.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skw5115:
I'm just going to say, 100% with adaptive brightness enabled does make a difference in the brightness of the display. I'm not saying that there is or isn't a problem just wanted to be sure that you know adaptive brightness will make a difference, it usually makes the screen dimmer, even at 100%
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsg411:
When manual brightness is selected.... Adaptive brightness goes off...correct?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
The difference is minimal, at least on the N6.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toyanucci:
Incorrect. Even on the Moto X PE I returned, at max brightness with adaptive on, is never as bright as with adaptive off so it depends on if adaptive was on or not in the video. Also based on the resolution and size of the panel, the 6P has to be using the Note 4 or Note 5 screen as the note 4 is samsung's first 2k 5.7" screen. The note 4 has a great screen so if it's even that then everything will be great.

I honestly think we have nothing to worry about. The Moto X PE screen was pretty good just not as saturated as my note 3, and the 6P screen should be MUCH better than that for sure so I'm not concerned one bit.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsg411:
Only time will tell.... The wait for this phone is agonizing.....
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdelcegno:
Also I'f its like the note series with brightness set to 100 with adaptive off its less than half as bright as the note 4 gets with adaptive on in sunlight. If it is anything like that it goes much brighter than you can make it get indoors.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jodvova:
Just watched this video and to me the brightness look exactly the same. any subtle difference is coming from ambient lighting and crappy video camera.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Apache0c:
Here's the screenshot from the video. If you look at the search bar, it's much whiter and brighter on the N6P. It looks grey on the N5X. The water looks more washed out on the 5X, giving the illusion of being brighter. The blue water on the N6P looks more true. In reality, it's really hard to tell looking at them through another camera's video and not knowing French.

I'm more concerned about the camera. The photograph he takes a little later on looks a few years behind in technology. It looks all blurry when you zoom in.

Anyway, if nothing else, this proves how awesome the Frost white one looks.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
none of the videos you posted work
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Apache0c:
If you're talking about the pictures I posted above, those are screenshots of a video someone posted earlier. You have to read the post for it to make sense.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
I think he means the photos you have posted, none of them are showing.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Apache0c:
Thanks, obviously I'm stupid here. I'll fix it. Hold on.

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Alright. That should have double fixed it now. Sorry about that, we all have our dumb moments and that was mine. Thanks.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidguy22:
I find it moronic that none of these professional reviewers who attended the Google event commented about screen brightness, viewing angles etc. How hard it's to compare N6p with N6/Note 5/M9 at 100% brightness with ambient display off.. So disappointing and agonizing that we have to wait almost 5-6 weeks to find such a simple thing..
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italia0101:
When they were side by side at the beginning it looked plenty bright to me?

Check out 1-25 in that video, looks just as bright
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tcat007:
And those screen shots have 2 different images. The search bar on left looks brighter to me. I could care less, in 3 years my n5 has never been above 50%. If I have to crank up my 6p to 60% now and then, no biggie.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
Not if the screen is like the N6 or worse. The brightness in sunlight sucks. I live in FL and I am barely see my screen outside. is fine. The clarity of the screen is nice. Watching videos is top notch. It's the brightness that blows
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rr5678:
My only problem with the 6P.

PenTile.

5X left, 6P right
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Apache0c:
You're dealing with a 90 degree angle and an 135 degree angle. Not even close to an equal comparison. Also different ambient lighting and presumably different cameras too judging from the different backdrop.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Semantics:
Looks damn fine to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9GDfE3BZg

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Correct, that picture is inaccurate as can be. I mean, the persons thumb on the photo on the right is blurry. It's a bad example.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rr5678:
This should be at a similar angle.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Semantics:
From a review on the Nexus 5X.

Screen

Google has stuck with the Full HD resolution seen on the original Nexus 5, but increased the size of the display from 5in to 5.2in, meaning a slight drop in pixel density to 424ppi. We didn't notice a huge difference when it came to the quality of the display, which remains sharp and crisp.

However, colours seem somewhat lacking compared with the QHD screen on the more expensive Nexus 6P, probably owing to Google's decision not to equip the smaller model with an AMOLED display.

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Check out the hands on mkbhd video. The colors are fantastic in his 2k video.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] letom:
For those who don't speak French, in relation to the thread he said:

5x - he was disappointed by the screen as it wasn't very bright, doubts it would hold up in the sun

5p - he made references to the Samsung phones which have tech that allows the screens to be very bright, didn't look like the nexus 6p had this tech

It's probably safe to say it's not the best Samsung panels however they said that last year with the n6 and I love the screen so if it's just an improvement on that I'm happy :p
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidguy22:
N6 screen is fine indoors, it's almost unusable outdoors in sunlight.. for this reason I use my Note 4 DE most of the time instead of N6.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 2fastkuztoms:
I know the NOTE 4 its better than the N6, but have you tried High Brightness Mode Widget from flar2 on the N6?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdelcegno:
He can't really test if it has a high brightness mode. On my note 4 its only activated by sunlight on auto mode. I can't get it to go to high brightness inside.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chilidog:
For anyone still worried about the screen, this might help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-G26ULlEo&feature=youtu.be&t=95
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Screen should be okay. Not Samsungs's best, but still okay. Camera will suck again I think and that is my main worry.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chilidog:
Have you read the full DxO review?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidguy22:
Not Samsungs's best = will be unusable outdoors in sunlight like N6 and that's a deal breaker for me..
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rr5678:
Honestly the only thing holding me back from buying either phone is the display. The 6P has the best specs of the two (6P & 5X) but it has that AMOLED display........which would be fine with me if it wasn't PenTile. After seeing the Galaxy S3's and the Droid RAZR's PenTile displays, I never want to see another one again, let alone own one. If they had put the Snapdragon 810 in the 5X I would have been sold immediately. Besides, the fact that the display is PenTile means it's not truly 1440p, doesn't it?

That's just my opinion.

Heck I may just get the 6P anyway just to see if they've improved on PenTile.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chilidog:
The note 5 and s6 are still pentile, just better
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
The n6 is pentile. One of the best mobile displays I've ever had.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family

The layout consists of a*quincunx*comprising two*red*subpixels, two*green*subpixels, and one central*blue*subpixel in each unit cell. It was inspired by*biomimicry*of the human*retina which has nearly equal numbers of L and M type*cone cells, but significantly fewer S cones. As the S cones are primarily responsible for perceiving blue colors, which do not appreciably affect the perception of*luminance, reducing the number of blue subpixels with respect to the red and green subpixels in a display does not reduce the image quality.

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Sounds OK to me.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Apache0c:
If TechnoBuffalo says the screen is good and DxO says the camera is good then it's hard to argue with that.

For me personally, the N6P is the best choice right now, especially if I want to switch to Project Fi. If I decide to stay with T-Mobile then it might be the V10 but I think still the N6P. I'm going to keep watching the Android development until I cant resist one of them. Right now I'm content.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Another comparison video...

https://youtu.be/IbR2UQ9ILK4
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigal77:
Check out the hands on on MobileSyrup.com

Dude knows his phones and said screen is same as note 5.... Video shows how bright it is
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
What he actually said is below....

"Running Android 6.0 Marshmallow, the 5.7-inch 2560×1440 pixel AMOLED*display looks beautiful — at least comparable to the Note 5’s panel"
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigal77:
Which means the video at 100% brightness that looked pale was actually not accurate at all as it looked half the brightness of the 5x

No one would describe that as similar to the note 5.

We also got confirmation that nexus 6p used the latest Samsung technology.... Which may mean same display as note 5....or at the worst note 4(which is still bright)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Those whole argument is nonsense, we should just stop. No one even considers the type of camera used to film these hands on, and their ability to capture whites properly.

Oh well.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
Or the screen you're viewing the pictures and videos on!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toyanucci:
Well, it's going to at least be as good as the new lumia screens lol.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidguy22:
I think he is only comparing pixel's/clarity etc.. not brightness and outdoor sun view-ability which is the main concern here, indoors my N6 looks beautiful and as good as Note 4 but outdoors N6 is almost unusable.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] razor237:
The display looks nice on all the indoor shots, cant wait to see what its going to look outside. I hope it a lot better then the N6
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
You can't even see what's on the screen with the Nexus 6 when you're outside in the sunlight. For me, I'm mostly indoors either at my job or at home; the time I'm outside I don't spend on my phone, so I don't really care.

I just want an improvement, regardless if it's better DPI or better colors/brightness. The one thing that scares me though is just how tall the phone is, especially since it has a smaller screen than the N6 but yet it's taller. How does that happen? The lack of bezels on the N6 is what makes me consider not even upgrading.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pilz:
You can't be serious? The height of the 6P is 159.3mm and the Moto Nexus 6 is 159.26. If you can handle 0.03mm then no one can help you. The screen should be better I don't know why everyone refuses to believe it when it came directly from the Google team that designed it...

Here are the compete dimensions:

6: 159.26*82.89*10.06mm

6P: 159.3*77.8*7.3mm
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
I just remember hearing from hands on videos that it's "taller than the Nexus 6". Regarding the screen, I want to hear google specifically say that it's better than the Nexus 6, NOT just that it's using the newest Samsung panel; because last year I bet they were using the latest panels as well.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pilz:
I pulled those dimensions from Google so they should be accurate. The old 6 had a note 3 generation panel so it wasn't the latest because Samsung wouldn't sell their current gen to anyone before. I trust Google on the one until proven otherwise they haven't given any wrong information on it during the q/a so we will see
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
This...... And I guess people forget that Samsung uses the best amoled panels for their phones and devices. It might be the latest and best tech on the 6p. But only for the line that they sell to their competitors.

I wouldnt say that the moto 6 is unusable in bright light, but it's not easy. I live in FL and deal with a ton of sunlight through the summer and I can read it, just not well. I hope the 6p is a slight step up.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
The basic summation is as follows:

The latest generation Samsung Amoled panel that is used on the 6P is NOT the Super Amoled panel used on the Galaxy s6 series.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pilz:
Source for this claim? All AMOLEDs now are "super AMOLED" which refers to how they mate the touch sensor to the display making it thinner among other things. Also I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have made such a statement of it weren't the same as Samsung current gen panels on their phones. I can't prove a point to a side that won't accept it no matter what.

Read this... http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Can you name a time that Samsung let a different manufacturer use their Super Amoled screen? Maybe if Samsung made this version of the Nexus I could see that happening.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdelcegno:
I think lenovo has phones with super amoled

You can see it listed on a couple phones they sell online.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pilz:
First I would like the source of your previous claim as I had asked otherwise its nothing more than an opinion.

Secondly Samsung hasn't done that before but you're forgetting a key part of how Samsung operates. Each part of Samsung operates like its own company and sells to the highest bidder. Samsung is struggling with their profit margins right now so that along with their companies structure leads me to see it as a strong possibility. Since Google also clearly stated it was the latest generation panel without a " * " or any strings attached I'm still going to believe they are using the current generation panels.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdelcegno:
Does anyone else manufacturer super amoled other than Samsung? Because this phone has one.

http://m.gsmarena.com/lenovo_sisley..._a_5_super_amoled_720p_display-news-10137.php