[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
I think you are 1) way overeading the tenor of what I said 2) engaging in wishful thinking.

1) The tenor of what I said:

All I said is that there is one version of the 810 that has shipped in phones all year, v2.1, and this will not be different for the 6P. This is known. The 6P will have the 810 v2.1. So we already know what the issues with that chipset are. And all I said is that for heavy gamers and other CPU intensive uses the chipset "may affect" performance. If "may" is not enough of a qualification for you, then I don't know what to say.

2) Wishful thinking:

It is known, as I said, that the 6P will have the Snapdragon 810 v2.1 chipset. This is the exact same chipset that has appeared in phones all year. There have been a lot of rumors about other newer, "fixed" versions, but this is based on a misunderstanding. v2.1 is the "fixed" chipset. The "fix" is the throttling. There does not and will not exist any other version of this chipset. Again, this is known and I cited articles that establish this.

Further, every single phone that has this chipset, despite many PR spin attempts to wave the issue away, has been found in tests to throttle and underperform. No one, not even Sony, has solved this problem. Some have found ways to disappate heat (like in the Sony Z5) better so that the CPU doesn't heat up as quickly. But eventually this chipset always ends up throttling itself.

So why would the exact same chipset that has displayed this problem over and over again, even though one manufacturer after the next has falsely claimed to have somehow fixed the issue and then had their claims proven wrong, why would it suddently be different in the 6P? It's not a new version. It's the same one. It doesn't matter that it's a different phone. It's the same chipset.

There is no reaonsable conclusion but that the 6P will have the same issues, which will be throttling. Only someone holding out hope against hope and denying all evidence to the contrary, with not a shred of evidence to support any other conclusion, could imagine that somehow magically the 6P will be different.

Do I know this 100% for certain the way one knows that they cannot avoid death and taxes? No. Does 99.99% of the evidence point in this direction? Yes. So holding out for the .01% random possibility that somehow the design of the 6P will alter a problem intrinsic to the chipset itself and that has shown up in every single other phone using it, this is just wishful thinking.

Seriously, which is reasonable? Looking at all the evidence for the 810 v2.1 that points in only one direction, which has been the same for every phone using it, and which is an intrinsic element of the chipset and not a factor of the phone design anyway, and yet concluding maybe the 6P will be different? Or looking at this evidence and concluding, it's the same chipest, it's intrinsic design flaw is known and demonstrated, there is no counter evidence, therefore it will be the same in the 6P.

Some people may be uncomfortable coming to conclusions based on overwhelming evidence to the contrary. But (again) this is wishful thinking.

---------- Post added at 05:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

Except, unfortunately, as the link in the post above your post indicates, there do seem to be problems with the Z5. Here's the link again: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Snap...t-owners-sweat-with-overheating-issue_id74367

It almost sounds like Sony's solution is worse than throttling. They tried to overcome the heat issue with copper heat pipes directly on the CPU (although no fan like in a computer, so I wonder how much good this really can do), but instead they're getting heat and weird sluggish behavior from the CPU instead. I think I'd rather have throttling and no heat. Even throttled the 810 isn't a terrible processor. If you're upgrading from the Nexus 6, it might not be better, but probably not worse (and there are many other advantages to the 810 chipset, other than the CPU). But if you're coming form a Nexus 5 or Nexus 4 (like me) then it's a pretty good upgrade, as long as it throttles properly, rather than overheating and shutting itself down or doing something else weird.

I guess what I'm hoping is that the 810 in the 6P will be fine for everthing except gaming and CPU intensive tasks. I'm not a gamer, so that's not really an issue for me.

The way most people use their phones doesn't put much demand on the CPU. When you load a web page, for example, it might max out the CPU for a couple seconds, but then it will ramp back down. So most people only need the full power of the CPU temporarily in an ondemand type of scenario. In this type of use case, I think you will always be getting the good "cold" peformance of the 810. That's probably okay for me. And hopefully the 810 throttles under heavy demand, since attempts to overcome this with fancy heatsinks seem ill advised. And I really don't want a phone that's hot to the touch all the time (the Nexus 4 has been kind of annoying in this regard).

Anyway, I'm going to wait for the phone to be reviewed. I wouldn't jump in and preorder it, unless you don't mind sending it back.