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[Nexus 6  General] knitler:
If you used the S6 camera you would know its quite a large difference. I have had both phones and the current N6 is not as good camera wise as the S6, the N6P is rated just behind the S6 . So it should be a very noticeable upgrade.

DDR4, like DDR3, at launch will not be about speed, it will be about the power required to make that speed. When DDR3 first came out it was barely faster than DDR2, but used less power. It wont be until support grows that it will be able to ramp up the speed part of it. Right now its about power draw. Even if that only a 5% savings over DDR3, that's still a small bit back for your battery life. As for CPU I'm not sure how many are running the v2.1 of the 810, so I'm not sure how to fairly/accurately compare those.

For the AMOLED, both the N6 and N6P screens are made by Samsung. The color calibration is all in the software.

With an AMOLED each pixel is an LED, so the physical screen size doesn't matter. It's still the same amount of pixels lighting up. Battery life also depends on a lot more than just the battery size. It also depends on the power draw from the display used, WiFi power used, how optimized the Kernel is. Lots go into it, so just saying "bad cells" when you have no idea where the cells are from is a rather pointless argument when unless you tear the phone down you cant accurately compare.

The 6P is more narrow, but a bit taller as all the antennas are moved to the top so they can get signal in and out of the glass bar, similar to the bottom for cell reception.

I generally don't like Huawei either, but have also never used one, same for the 810. But shoting down an unreleased phone due to "could, may have, maybe, might, possibly" before review units are even out is jumping the gun.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Just remember, before the 810 was released it was supposed to be a breakthrough chip to. Octa-core and 64 bit and all that jazz.

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I agree with most of what you said, but while the underlying thermal throttling issues may not be fixed with better cooling, the thermal stress on the CPU will be fixed, meaning less likely to hit the thermal limit, less likely to throttle, longer at cycle speed. It's like saying putting a better radiator on a car won't help keep the engine cooler. The engine still generated the same heat, but the vehicle dissipates the heat faster, meaning the engine stays cooler.

As to Android never being able to match apples level of 'hardware integration' it could. The underlying system is still C and C++ mostly, its the apps that run as virtualized java machines. You can optimize the java runtime and the core system to the hardware. It won't be as optimized but it would be nearly the same.

I'm not saying the chip in the 6P will be 'fixed' nor that the 6P will stay at top speed all the time. Just that judging something before reviews or personal experience is not going to lead to the best results. The 610 was going to be a great chip, until hands on reviews showed it wasn't. The same (but in reverse) could happen here, the chip could be well managed.
[Nexus 6  General] Ashtrix:
Ok.

Lets hope for the better :highfive:

But for me, I'll pass these two for N6 ;)
[Nexus 6  General] zetsumeikuro:
I got the 6p just cause I think the aluminum color is sexy. Paid $150+ less than last years model for the 64 GB version as well. Don't get me wrong, I still have nothing but love for my 6 and will be keeping it too!
[Nexus 6  General] watzone69:
I put a leather slick wraps back on my N6 a few months ago and prefer the feel so, aluminum body doesn't impress me. If I get some more disposable income, and the 6P ever gets sold at ATT or Best Buy, I may get it. For now though I think N6 with Marshmallow (I really liked the dev previews) will do for quite awhile.
[Nexus 6  General] shamelin73:
I will stick with my Nexus 6 as it is a great phone and have not had any issues other than getting just before the price drops. I am sure it will be great with Android 6.x.x.
[Nexus 6  General] gammaxgoblin:
I just picked up the n6 from amazon....o don't think I'll ever own a device made by huwaeii pronounced wahway. They make low level devices. The specs aren't an improvement front the n6 really and moto build quality is solid.
[Nexus 6  General] nooomoto:
I was stoked about the 6P, but then found out I can't get it from AT&T. Huge bummer. The days where I'd pay out of pocket for a new phone every year are over, especially since AT&Ts Next plan came about.
[Nexus 6  General] Hoshneer:
How do you know AT&T won't have it eventually?
[Nexus 6  General] nooomoto:
Oh I hope so! But right now all the news is saying it won't be sold by carriers, online from Google only. If/when it does become available at AT&T I'll definitely get it.
[Nexus 6  General] dezufnoC:
Just purchased my second 6 a few minutes ago from Amazon. For $399 I'll take last years model over this years anyday of the week. NOOOMOTO...I feel you on the AT&T deal. I will NEVER buy a phone under that Next plan!
[Nexus 6  General] Hoyt Thompson:
Gonna stay Put

I do not see much of a tech jump to quantify enough real reason to "upgrade". Reminds me of my Note 3 when the Note 4 came out, I was like ummmm that was an uninspiring progression from 2013 to 2014. Now the same has happened from teh 2014 N6 to the 2015 N6P.

Also the price is not that bad but if I was needing a phone similar to my N6 I could definitely see myself sliding over to a Moto X Pure which other than the Nexus branding it esentially is the same unmolested Android OS that we run on Nexus line devices and for a little less money.
[Nexus 6  General] Imprezive13:
Best part of this thread is seeing all the love people have for the N6 finally. I bought this phone when it first came out and I loved it from day 1. I have big hands and it works pretty well for me. Waited forever for Motorola to manufacture a Nexus phone. Also, there is always harsh criticism when a new phone comes out. Enjoy the launch everyone!

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] taphius:
Just got my third nexus ordered from expansys for 370. Not impressed with the new ones for the price. Moto x pure edition is going back.
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
That's what the snobs said about Samsung.
[Nexus 6  General] Deekayy:
I always need to stay on top of the phone tech world. Got the 6P 64gb. Easy upgrade for me since I only spent $400 on the N6 when it came out (got lucky). Selling the N6 shouldn't be a problem.
[Nexus 6  General] scryan:
I mean... in fairness...

I don't want a ****ing Samsung either.

:p
[Nexus 6  General] ixon2001:
Well I've managed to find as new Nexus 6 32GB for £260 Second Hand will have it Friday, I've never seen one in a retail store only online, but with so many people walking about with the iPhone 6 Plus these days it's size won't make it stand out to much.

Also having a Phone that get Marshmallow as soon as it released is a blessing been using a Sim Free Galaxy Alpha for the past few months which is still stuck on 4.4.4 with no update insight.

As for the 6P if the 810 used in it doesn't cause it to overheat or throttle badly then may consider picking one of those up this time next year for around the price i paid for the Nexus 6 :)
[Nexus 6  General] draa2711:
My initial thoughts after watching the keynote:

yaaays:

- usb c

- fingerprint sensor

- materials used

- sensor hub

- camera (especially laser autofocus)

- (android m in general)

meehs:

- processor

- huawei

- the back is ugly

- size of the screen to small
[Nexus 6  General] dunjamon:
For years I've pre-ordered new Nexus devices at launch...but this year not so much. I like the 9P, but the lack of QI charging is a major let down for me. I have multiple chargers at home and work and can't justify getting rid of them. I'm hoping a USB-C QI adapter becomes available soon...then I'll put my order in.
[Nexus 6  General] linkboy:
I just got the 64GB nexus 6 and it does everything I need it to do. Gets LTE in Korea for the last few months I'm here and it's not a total lag great like my nexus 5 has gotten to be. I was looking to combine my nexus 5 and nexus 7 into one device and the nexus 6 fits the bill perfectly.

$399 for a 64GB nexus 6 vs $549 for a 64GB 6p was the major difference.
[Nexus 6  General] mumboender:
I rewarded my N6 for loyal service with a distressed tan slickwrap... I really wanted to like the 6p but for now there really is no compelling reason to upgrade. And I love wireless charging it is close to a necessity...
[Nexus 6  General] Spawn026:
The only thing that i really want is the 128gb storage. That is the most compelling aspect. The fingerprint scanner I have a feeling will be useless for us because if android pay doesn't work with root then I have a feeling other apps that would use it will have the same security.
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
6P... the "we can 64bitz too" edition......

When I decided to buy the N6 last year, I was worried that I'd regret it when the next thing came out THIS year. Worry for nothing, because the (v2.1 or not...) toaster of a power sucking reference A57 cores don't appeal to me *AT ALL*, the new phone's screen is just as crappy since 0.3 inches difference is negligible and its still FAKE 2560x1440 resolution..... AMOLED needs to go away already. I'd take the improved performance AND appearance of a GENUINE 1920x1080 conventional LCD in a heartbeat.

The 5x... sham of a CPU. That phone isn't even a worthy replacement for an original N5, which is two years old.
[Nexus 6  General] PolishDude:
Well I will be cancelling my order for my Nexus 6P, the nail in the coffin was just picking up a white new 32GB Nexus 6 for $280 shipped off ebay. I like the 6P but it will cost me $530 once you include tax....don't see a $250 difference between the two. I have a feeling this phone will be a great hold me over phone until the 820 chip and next years Nexus lineup.

Guess I also will be returning my amazon Nexus 6 64GB white that I picked up for $365 with tax because the retail box was dented.
[Nexus 6  General] wattsja:
Like many others here .. I will just hold on to my N6. The only thing that I find enticing about the new N6P is the Fingerprint scanner .. but it is lost when they shrank the screen size (at least to me). I know the N6 will get Marshmallow .. so it is fine with me.

(And this coming from someone who likes to be on the cutting edge / newest toys)
[Nexus 6  General] Philip:
No Qi - no buy

I was looking at replacing my N6 (nothing wrong with it - apart from occasional reboots - but just wanted a new toy) so I was interested to hear that the N6P had been announced.

Then I found out that it doesn't support Qi charging. Total deal breaker - I'll never buy one.

(Which begs the question of what to replace the N6 with! Needs to be large screen, support Qi and be root-friendly. Don't care what it looks like or whether it has a camera.)
[Nexus 6  General] -ErrorFile-:
Not going to switch to 6P from my N6, because I'm not going to downgrade to a smaller screen. :) I would love to have a better audio chip for headphone usage, though. And no wireless charging - it's a no-no, as I just bought a charger for that and it's just so good.
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
Do you hate the screen type or the Google design with fixed white background hurting the eyes ?
[Nexus 6  General] veli69:
Im going to try the 6P. The camera on my phone is very important not being able to take low light photos annoys me. The finger print scanner and the 128gb storage seal it for me.
[Nexus 6  General] letom:
I think for anyone who has used a nexus 6 for a while, the fact it can't lay still on the table while you use it is maybe enough to get a straight back phone...

Phones have gotten so high end that literally everyone phone is somewhat of a side grade anyways.
[Nexus 6  General] MichaelMcEntire:
Camera is the big draw for me, a camera like that on a Nexus is a dream come true. When I compare the shots off my n6 with my wife's s6 I want to throw this thing.
[Nexus 6  General] ambervals6:
At $250 this device is a steal right now though. And don't forget cpu on this thing is clocked higher, and in real word usage feels faster than 64 bit cpu which are underclocked.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6  General] buzzwyzr:
Gonna stick with the N6 for now. I had $$ saved to get the 6P but am gonna put that towards the Pixel C. I'm still using a N10 for a tablet and it's time to put it out to pasture lol.
[Nexus 6  General] asdecker:
Uhhh say whaaa? [emoji14]
[Nexus 6  General] knives of ice:
no idea how you could think getting rid of wireless charging is a good idea. beyond stupid.

smaller screen, no wireless charging......i'll keep my n6
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
I am amazed at how important wireless charging is to people. When I had qi charcher it was annoying, took me more energy to align it at the right spot than to charge it. It was not a generic charged either. I have learned that what I say is a deal breaker now is a no big deal tomorrow. When I had the s3 sd card was a deal breaker, when I had the note spen was a deal breaker. After using the note I thought having minimum 5.5 inch screen was a deal breaker. Then I got Nexus 5 and M8. Bottom line you win some you lose some in the end I think the only deal breaker is a reliable phone
[Nexus 6  General] scryan:
I think they have gotten a lot better with them. My mom got sold one from verizon and she loves it. charges a bit slow (like 500-800mA ), but she has had no issues with it.

I tried it out on the N6 expecting problems since its such a bigger phone. Dropped it on, and it worked instantly every time I tried. Just set the phone down. It was one of those stand style ones vs the pad ones... That may help in placement.
[Nexus 6  General] Ducter:
Nexus phones are not for everybody and I believe, generally speaking, the people that invest in the Nexus phone lines are going to year after year. You expect a Google showcase so to speak and a progression of hardware. Omitting features is never a good thing and with something as useful as QI charging, where people have several charging bases it becomes a standard IMO. I don't think you have used it on the Nexus as it works really well, you simply hold the phone with 2 fingers directly under the volume sliders and center it on your charger and your done. No adjusting, no sliding it around looking for the sweet spot etc. Motorola made the phone so it's receiver is under the U in the name and lined up with the rockers, makes it difficult to not get it right.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
I have a couple wireless chargers, both are vertical stand types, and have zero issues getting them to charge the phone easily..

Wireless charging is a major plus to any phone for me going forward, and now that I am so used to it, and use it all the time, I dont know if I would consider a phone without it going forward.

Leaving it out of the 6P was a MAJOR mistake, and its just one of the things that makes the new phone much more of a side grade, not an upgrade.
[Nexus 6  General] rachelm920:
I think both new nexus devices look nice. I've had my Nexus 6 since February and love it. My boyfriend even got one in August because he was sick of the problems he had with his S5 (stock BTW). I never really use wireless charging, but I do have it on my Moto360, which I'm constantly bumping in my sleep and knocking off the charger (I keep it on the night stand...maybe it needs a new home LOL). With that said, I will wait until February when my 12 months are up and see what the development/problems are on the 6P to decide if I want to upgrade. I also hope it comes to AT&T so I don't have to dish out all the $$ at once... but it will be February and that's when I get my tax refund :D

Oh BTW back when I was on t-mobile my daughter had a huawei android. It was teeny tiny but free with a 2 year agreement at the time. I had even rooted it and I think it had cyanogen on it. It took quite a beating and still worked. I think it ran on gingerbread. The only annoyance was it's size.
[Nexus 6  General] mumboender:
I slipped two metal plates under the battery cover on both sides of the camera and use a magnetic dock with wireless charging in my car. It is so convenient that I hate to ever go without wireless charging. Sucks that the one feature we could depend on in Nexus is missing this round.
[Nexus 6  General] fr3akzila:
I usually skip one generation whenever I buy Nexus phones. My first phone was a Nexus S, then Nexus 4 and now Nexus 6. Will wait another year for the next Nexus to launch.
[Nexus 6  General] clninja:
The ONE feature you can depend on from Nexus? It's only been on 2 out of 6 Nexus devices.. Now 2 out of 8. I'd hardly say its their flagship most known feature

I use wireless charging every night with a tylt vu. I love it. I am moving to the nx5 though

Going to sell my n6 if anyone is interested

I will miss wireless charging but I think I will like type C with one of the Znaps.com magnetic connectors much more.
[Nexus 6  General] droidstyle:
I do not see the convenience in wireless charging...imo it is just as easy to plug in the cable.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
you have to use it for awhile to understand how nice it really is..
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
Not plugging cables is easier.
[Nexus 6  General] mumboender:
Ok maybe an exaggeration but it felt like a feature they would continue to bring forward. I did not say it was the most flagship feature just my opinion that it was an important one. I had an OPO and an S5 between the N5 and N6 and whenever I started using the OPO as my daily driver I would miss wireless charging. If people don't like it thats fine but I don't see how people argue that it wasn't a very solid feature and a selling point for some
[Nexus 6  General] ttabbal:
Sure, I'm sure people like it. I wonder if the metal case interferes with it though.
[Nexus 6  General] droidstyle:
yea and going thru a drive through to get food is easier then walking in. How much more do we rely on technology to do the work for us? Maybe when the worlds population on average is 100lbs overweight we will wake up and realize that a little manual labor is a good thing. Point is I would not consider wireless charging a deal breaker.
[Nexus 6  General] funcrusher:
n4, n5, n6 and the 2013 n7 all support wireless charging.
[Nexus 6  General] clninja:
I wasn't taking into account any tablets

And yea I stand corrected on the Nexus 4.

Sorry 3/8 nexus phones
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
It is definitely no breaker of any kind.

What matters is charging the battery.

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It is rather easy and cheap to built in a qi-coil in a N7 type 2012.

Works great, but . . . . since I have N6 I don't use the N7 anymore.

The N6 is set to tablet mode. Changed the dpi value from 560 to 384.
[Nexus 6  General] funcrusher:
I think the point is that wireless charging has been in every nexus phone since it was introduced as a feature on the n4.

What phones before the n4 even had wireless charging? I'm not saying there wasn't any, but it was uncommon.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
The reason Android pay won't work with root has nothing to do with the fingerprint scanner and everything to do with root lowers security so banks won't allow it. The fingerprint scanner will still work, and most apps should be able to use it if they so choose to implement the feature.

I'm waiting on the reviews but I'm seriously thinking of getting a 6P and staying away from root this year. Android pay and security being a big reason. I loved the fingerprint reader on my S6 and miss it greatly. Plus the slightly smaller screen will be nice to. Only thing I'm waiting on is how the CPU performs. If it's M9 bad I'll skip it, might go with the 5X then (though I have reservations about the storage size and the CPU there to).

Damn reviews need to hurry up, I want to get the $50 gift card lol.
[Nexus 6  General] :
Think I'm gonna stay on Shamu although the LG does make me want it. Loved my Nexus 5!!!
[Nexus 6  General] jnralp00:
Having an iPhone for a work phone I agree. I think where Google put it makes more sense.
[Nexus 6  General] zapote21:
Keeping N6...not liking the smaller screen of the 6P
[Nexus 6  General] ajsmsg78:
I agree. They are way too over saturated. The only benefit I see from AMOLED is the blacks are black because the pixels are shut off. That is pretty much all.
[Nexus 6  General] 903tex:
I'm typing on a oneplus two(got the 810) and as soon as I get my N6(couldnt resist the BNIB for 299 sale) I'm selling my opt! The metal sides at the top(where the processor is) get hot, if you do anything it will get hot! Play games and you won't be able to touch that area at all!

Battery life with the 810 is decent(nice way to putting it) but remember the opt has a 1080 screen, now a quad screen with same processor....fast charging gonna be your best friend! (3300mah on opt, 3450 on the 6p) for as the phone being slow its not at all Blazing fast but so was my oneplus one with the 801.....BUT when the heat kicks in, the phone throttling and you start seeing why they should have never used this processor!!!

Not hating on the 6p but I'm not expecting good things out of the phone because of that 810! And even the battery life people are getting with the 808. I think Qualcomm just didn't get it right at all this year!
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
My N6 gets very hot while charging.

I get extremely inconsistent battery life (full day sometimes, few hours others) with usage not changing.

Randomly the phone will struggle with games like One More Dash or One More Line, other times it will play smooth.

Overall I like my N6 better then my S6, but its been frustrating being so inconsistent.

That said I'm not sure I'm buying a 6P, thinking of an iPhone for the LTE band coverage, and a change of pace. I've been using Android for about seven out eight years now, is frankly getting boring lol.
[Nexus 6  General] Philip:
Following that logic, would you be happy in the N6P didn't have wifi and you had to plug an Ethernet cable into it every time you wanted to go online? Didn't have an inbuilt aerial and you had to plug in an external aerial every time you wanted to make a phone call? Had to plug in an external GPS aerial to get a location fix? Didn't have Bluetooth and could only be hard-wired to peripherals?

The charging cable is the one piece of wire that some phones seem to still require. It's unnecessary, outdated and most of us laugh about the idea of having to plug a phone in to a piece of wire just to charge it.

For many of us (and especially those who want a phone that's on the leading edge), the lack of wireless charging is a total deal breaker.
[Nexus 6  General] droidstyle:
you just took my post and spun off to a new level...I figured that would happen. The things you mentioned play a far more important role the wireless charging. Besides I am not making a case for the 6p's defense. I already stated my position that I prefer the N6. I have no problem using the wire if it charges faster.
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
Buddy of mine got his fi invite a few days ago. Being engineers on our first degrees lol, we did a very thoughtful analysis table on specs, price, screen size, processor, manufacturer build quality historically, camera and so on. When you lay it all out, the nexus 6 triumphs by a decent margin. He bought the 64gb one on Amazon. It's pointless spending that much money on what seems to be an incremental upgrade.