yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nonpaq:
Tene, I discovered a strange behavior in PCMKeyboard v.9 when testing extended layouts.

I added extra keys on line 1 of the skin I'm using (iphone_big) to see how the extra keys are laid out on the screen.

If you first select the keyboard in landscape mode, the extra keys display - [see screen cap 1].(note: My skin has an extrawide background image defined). The outer keys are fully functional.

When you switch to portrait mode, because the keyboard is centered, only the inner keys display, effectively masking the outermost "extra" keys [See screen cap 2]. With the proper layout, this would allow for providing extra keys in landscape that are hidden in portrait, without any mods to the application.

There is a problem however. If the first time you load up the keyboard is while in portait mode, the keyboard gets cropped when switching to landscape [see screen cap 3]. Looks like the width is set on first run, then cropped to the max allowed, and kept until another sip is chosen and switched back.

also....Is there any current setting that can control spacing beween any two keys? If so, it would be possible to create something like Screen Cap 4 by defining different witdths between specific keys.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Mamamam:
why ........?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
there's is no such version, and if donation continues like they are, the chance to get the keyboard for free are less. (of course anyone that donate will not be forgotten...).

Asking for a version without limitation that doesn't exist in the developer's thread... I find kind of funny.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Olioaglio:
Hey tene,

thanks for latest PocketCM 0.14. This solved the "Soft keyboard not coming up problem" definitely. Working perfect now!!

But......unfortunately still rema ining is the annoying problem with the s p a c e s between every letter which occurs in Opera native 8.6 (and other versions?) with so far all PCMkeyboard versions including recent 0.9b. This renders the use of theGREAT keyboard unusable with my favorite browser :(

Any way to fix it? It would bring my TyTN way closer to perfection ;)

Go on with your amazing apps!! You are the man!!

Best regards,

Olioaglio
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
Upate to opera 8.65 it works for me and others.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
I have a wierd problem - if I add another line to layout 2 for numbers in the top row so it looks like this:-

keyboard_layout_1=qwertyuiop\nasdfghjkl'\n\2zxcvbnm\B\B\n\M\M .\4\N

keyboard_layout_2=1234567890\nQWERTYUIOP\nASDFGHJKL'\n\1ZXCVBNM\B\B\n\M\M .\5\N

When I use the skin 'Touch' (the black one) then it doesn't come up right. The bottom row of layout 2 is all white and not coloured right and the keys do not show up. Then if I switch between layout 1 and 2 there is often a line left where the numbers were from line 2 (I mean there is a gap through to my today screen)

Anyone else seen this or know what I mean. If I change skin then it seems to be ok but I prefer the black skin the best. I am using version 0.9b!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
The touch skin is designed for 4 row layout. You should edit the skin and make the image height match the height of 5 layout (or more).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
I am looking in the settings.ini file for the skin 'Touch'. How do I change the height?

The settings.ini has

bottom_border_margin=5

top_border_margin=5

Is this what I need to change? Sorry, trying to work it out! I have done searches here and at the PocketCM forums and couldn't find it!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
make the image height match the height of 5 layout (or more)... so you have to actually edit the bitmaps, it's not a setting.

The rational is simple: bigger image -> more memory. So I didn't make the skin support more row than required by provided layout.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
Ahhhhh.... Harder than I thought it would be and probably too much for my abilities! Thanks though! :)

I have suprised myself and been able to do it. Thanks again Tene!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
you're welcome.

By the way 0.10 is up.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
Tene,

I have never asked, I have always just unistalled the old version and did a complete new install of the newest version. But is that necessary? Can i execute the new .cab and it overwrite the old one and still work?

Thanks,

CG
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
It depends, generally if the SIP is already loaded (mean was used recently), it won't work as expected, I advice to always uninstall and reinstall.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
Thanks so much. BTW, I just shot you a question over on PocketCM thread.

Thanks a mil

CG
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] M.A.S.:
Amazing program...

Congrats!!

Everything ok (HTC P3600).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gogol:
Hi,

Nice update :-)

Do I need to uninstall? Or simply execute the new version CAB file?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
See posts 698 & 699 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=321712&page=70
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
Tene,

I have downloaded and installed the new version (0.10), and am finding one thing doesn't seem to work.

When I hold a letter, for example the lower case 'e', I get the choice of the following 'Eeéèêëæ', however they don't show up very clearly. the other letters (tyuiop etc) do not dissapear as they used to and you cannot see some of the choices for 'e'. So for another example if I press and hold 'b' then I get the choice of 'B' or 'Buckston' (my employers name), however I can see the 'B' but 'Buckston' is not visable, instead I see 'asdfg' but if I press one of them the word 'Buckston' is there and can be accessed, it just doesn't show up.

I hope this makes sense.

(I have also asked this question on the PocketCM Phorum)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
@tene

A little difficult to capture the pics, here is a not very good one.

The feedback is that the bottom part of the keyboard covers the lower taskbar.

Ignore the scroll bar that runs across the keyboard, it is a capture problem.

Edit: Capture a better pics.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Olioaglio:
Hey tene,

concerning the s p a c e between letters issue again which is solved in 8.65 according to you prevoius post...

hm, but Opera 8.65b beta expires at Oct. 01, 2007 and they didn't release

a new update or final yet... so what to do after beta has expired?

Olioaglio
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
You'll have to see with Opera for that. The fact that's fixed in a newer version indicates that the bug is probably in Opera (and it seems logic, I'm using WM API, not something I've made myself).

Let's hope they'll release a new version!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Underwaterdub:
@tene

I think I found a bug. When I assign a symbolpad to f.e. the u button, i don't get all the choices listed. Same happens at the o button.

Furthermore I wanted to ask if it is possible to disable the button-press-feedback? Another question is if it's possible to assign an extra image to some keys especially for landscape mode..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nonpaq:
Tene, I'm having the same issue as stated a few posts back. The keyboard is displaying lower than it is supposed to, about halfway covering the soft keys and SIP icon bar. Is there a setting to offset the keyboard position (in other words, make it display higher or lower in the display.)

Also, a feature request: Could you allow for .layout to make the key display text different than the keystrokes that get entered? Heres what I mean....

Define \N to a key, but display "enter" (using the keyboard_small_font). This would be useful for making special keys and not need an image.

This is similar to how you currently do the Cut, Copy, Paste keys. They are defined as special keys, each has its own set of keystrokes (ie. Ctrl-X), but the key displays words ("CUT"). Use something like "[\N,enter]", meaning "enter key with word "enter" on key face) or "[;),wink]" for entering ";)" but showing "wink" on key face.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cuboosh:
this wont stay set as my default input.. why not?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
Using a VGA device?

Well you can display image now, can't you? I don't really see practical use of this, showing "wink" instead of ";)" wouldn't make it clear. Puttin a smily image could make it better. You have any useful example?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nonpaq:
Yes I am using a VGA device. The "too low" keyboard started with v.10.

As to practical reasons for using text instead of an image... images do not scale at the moment with your new landscape mode. If you define an image that covers the complete key, when going to landscape, the actual expanded keyboard key will peak out the sides of the image. (I know a solution is to make a transparent image with just the face symbol and not the whole key.)

Another reason would be to simplify a skin, and possibly make it use less resources. If I could define the keyface to display "enter" for \N using the keyboard_small_font instead of using an image of the text "enter", would it not be more efficient? It would also eliminate images if the skin designer doesn't need an image when a short text word would do. ( We would also be able to use text symbols like ' ← ' to represent backspace instead of using an image.)

Perhaps you may not see the practical application of this right now, but it would provide one more option to skin designers to be creative. Like I said, it would be just like how you currently handle the Cut, Copy & Paste keys. We define the special key as '\C' , PCMkeyboard displays 'CUT' on the keyface without the need for an image. This would just provide designers with the same option fror custom special keys or override the hardcoded text.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Noonski:
What if i put the right Registry settings into ROM registry pointing to Folder on SD card, and leave it up to users to put the files onto SD card?

That would sure be not cooking it and only users that can use Cabanelyzir would be able to use it and update it?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
I'm not a ROM cooker, and have 0 knowledge in it, but ... then why not simply let them download and install?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
I wish I had a VGA device... will try to take a look.

Well it's already the case for most keys, all special keys in fact. The only thing would be to change letters, like your smily sample. if you don't provide image for return, you'll get a key with the return text.

For using symbol, using a font is generally worst than a simple image: it load all the font in memory, not only the required symbol. (that's a rough approx, it's a bit more complex than that).

For replacing the whole key and make it resolution aware, I'm thinking about it, but it's not easy to keep layout editing simple, and allow such things... but I'm thinking about it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] betatalking:
PocketCM keyboard is such a great program. There's much potential in it.

Why not add the ctrl key to the shft so that we can do multiple selections just like ctrl+shft? How about having a delicate button for multiple functions like arrows, copy, del, tab etc... just like the symbols button.

There's this problem fro me often incidentally touches the composition screen causing the whole text to be highlighted. This is especially when accessing the top row of keys. Why not set up a seperator between the top row and the text area?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nonpaq:
Thats my point. For the same reason you chose to display text for special keys when an image is not used, my idea would provide designers the same functionality for any key (or key sequences) of their choosing. It would enhance the already great customization in PCM keyboard.

(Note: several fonts have plenty of usable symbols without the need of loading another font. If you are already loading the whole font into memory, then using that symbol would actually use less resources than an image, right? Example: These symbols are all part of the standard font used here ← ╜ « ¬)

BTW, I like your implementation of expanding the keyboard for landscape. Works great for skins like TouchVGA as long as the background image has the right resolution. I had to resize it from 420 px to 640 px so it would work with the expanded landscape keyboard. Skin designers should increase the background image to cover the full width in landscape to make their skins compatable with v.10 landscape mode.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Noonski:
Because if it's been set up once you don't need to install anymore. shaving of time setting up your device after flash.

Then if there is an important update you install copy files to SD directory and you are set again.

Like i said this is not a method for simple users. But it's also easier to have more skins in a folder that doesn't get overwritten everytime you flash.

Me i flash a lot to test if it actually works. So setting up my device for actual use is something i have to do alot. Some people just like to flash because .... i don't know why they flash a lot.

And a lot of people still ask if it can be in the ROM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Avatar28:
Quick question here. It may have been answered but I really don't have time to read through 700+ replies.

On the new version, I'm having a problem with the suggestions. If I type in a word and it pops up a suggestion how do I make it NOT switch to it's suggestion. I want to use the word I typed in, not the suggested one but when I hit space it changes to the suggested word instead (and the word I typed is now the suggestion and I have to tap on it to change it back). Short of turning off the suggestion feature completely (which I have to edit the registry to do I believe, correct?) how do I set it so that it doesn't automatically change to the suggested word when I hit space?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] h2ogun:
Good news. Final version is out already and PocketCM Keyboard doesnt have s p a c e problem anymore with this latest version.

Download here: http://get.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/865/
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
Go to options and untick the Enable auto-correction box. No need to edit the registry. ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bchau:
I too has the same issue with 0.10 RC2. After the phone is re-started, the default input reverts back to the original keyboard, not the PCM Keyboard.

I am running Dutty's Supa Dupa WM6 ROM on my JASJAM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
This is always the case without doing a registry change! Not recommended to do one as people on this forum have reported problems as this is a time limited program, and removing it without changing back the registry can mean a hard reset is needed. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Al66:
Yeah I can vouch for the registry hack breaking your phone ;) learnt that the hard way! The phone won't boot after the reg change, regardless of time limited versions. Hard reset is the only way back.

Try SIPChange, its already been mentioned earlier in this thread (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1467550&highlight=SIPChange#post1467550) - I'm guessing that a "search" didn't uncover that?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=271008
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stekkis:
Ok, I have two questions:

Is it nescesary to softreset the phone after installation of the pcmkeyboard?

Is it possible to switch to landscape view with my HTC Touch?

thanks,

S.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
That's the kind of question I'll never understand why people are asking... is it working? yes? so it's not needed, it's not working? well try a soft-reset ;)

Technically the answer is "it depends".

yes, on the today screen, go to the program launcher, there should be a button for it... I'm guessing you don't like reading manuals?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freakflow:
Hey, I've been having this problem since yesterday - when I bring up PCM Keyboard a popup window says "This version of pcmKeyboard can't be run after "10/01/2007", but i'm runninng the latest 0.10 version, and tried reinstalling it multiple times...

any ideas?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gogol:
Use the attached "SIPChange" application. It will change the SIP after soft-reset. It works fine in my HTC Kaiser.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] juiceppc:
Why must each version need to be upgraded to the next to continue using? I'll pay already. I'll pay.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Rcas:
+1, any word on the next update?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freakflow:
Thanks, I originally changed the SIP but didn't soft reset, or something wierd like that, but it's working now.

Thanks again.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
Problem Report.

Landscape Vga.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nonpaq:
Background picture needs to be resized for VGA landscape (640 px) in the VGA skins in order to display correctly in v.10. The low display of keyboard (half way down bottom bar) is a known issue that Tene is aware of. Note, he does not have a VGA device, so we have to have patience with VGA bug fixes.

Try this thread to get skins that work on v.10. The GOLD standard for VGA skins is TOUCH_VGA by Mr. Grouch. He has updated it for v.10 at the pocketCM phorums. Looks like you are using a pre-v.10 version of Touch_VGA. I dont know why the second picture did not expand the keyboard. Was that v.10?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efjay:
Anyone have any links to a non-iphone big keyboard skin? Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Blackflip:
fingers

the edge of my Wizards screen is a little high, so it's pretty hard to reach the keys on the edge, is it possible to add some space to both sides? what do i need to change?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nonpaq:
For QVGA, you should try Big_Black by PMP, found here at Pocketcm forums. Its a taller version of the Touch skin in black.

Be warned. Big_Black in landscape nearly takes up the whole screen. MidBlack is not as tall as Big Black by the same designer.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
Ok, will try.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efjay:
Thanks, those skins were just what I was looking for.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
I was just thinking about this. Does the keyboard have to be installed on the internal memory? I have mine installed onto the memory card without any problems. Would you strongly advise against using the memory card? And for what reason? I never have the card out of the trinity.

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
First of all, I don't have much experience with PDA, I got mine for only 3 months now.

I would advise against for reliability reason: what if you remove your card (one day, it may happen), have configured pcmk as default, and boot your device? does it still work correctly? (note that it could, I dunno).

Other than that, if it works, well... it works ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maggy:
You could use something like this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1538058&highlight=extrom#post1538058

Allows you and the people who use your ROM to place cab files in a folder called EXTrom on storage card, edit a little config file, now hard reset will install them as if they're in real EXTrom.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 3dot:
He can use wm6 emulator

I can reproduce the bug.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...a8-1dd7-426f-a913-4f370a65a582&displaylang=en
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
Sorry if this has been done to death, but I have a Treo 700WX, and was wondering if this works on it, and if so, which skins should I use? All skins I have seen screen shots of (VGA/QVGA) all look like screens not quite 240x240. Search didn't help much....thanks guys!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cuboosh:
why the hell would u want to use this on a treo when it HAS a keyboard already?!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
try it... it should work with QVGA skins (so no need to find another), just install and test. Howeevr it will take some spaces...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] syrguy1969:
To have a different look...I like to change the looks of my Today screen, and contact app a lot, so changing the keyboard look sounds cool as well!!

Thanks tene ....I will give it a shot and see!! Worst-case scenario...I uninstall!!! LOL
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] clandestino_usr:
Hi all,

Current version of PocketCM keyboard expires on november 1st. What next? I can't imagine having to go back to the standard SIP, even for a short time...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] paranoid2007:
Yeah, why not leave out the expiration dates in the first place?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mr_yellow:
Do you really have to ask? This guy put *hours* and *hours* of work into this application and has asked for nothing in return. He's going to put a price tag on it sooner or later so he doesn't want "free" versions floating around.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] steveweb:
Yes, I', agree with mr_yellow, who work hard for a project is right that the efforts are acknowledged!

but... when do you release a new version??? :D I'm afraid go back to the default wm sip :DDDDDDD

bye

stefano
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] paranoid2007:
Well, maybe so. But there's lots of free software in these forums, which people have invested hours of works into without expecting pay. I just don't want to be forced to download new versions every few weeks. If he wants to put a price tag on the software he should get it over with.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
That's simple: don't use it.

By the way, 0.11 is up.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
nice one, thanks, :]

is this the last version btw?

greetz:cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] anheuer:
Hey Tene...

Found a bug..

When i typ a sms in PocketCM..

and press the caps key or the one to go to the numbers.

the keyboard gets lifted a bit and overlaping the text i am writing.

i tryd to reinstall it.. but had no effect
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The FD:
Tene,

I have downloaded and installed the new version (0.11), and am finding the same problem that version 0.10 had.

When pressing and holding a letter on the right hand side of the keyboard the 'hidden' letters do not all show up. Some of them are hidden whereas on the left hand side of the keyboard they work ok.

This was a problem with version 0.10 can you try to fix this for the next version please.

Thanks for all your work! :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
@tene,

I am not sure whether or not you have seen this, but take a look at this link:

http://www.iwindowsmobile.com/contact-manager.html

I might not be a programmer, but this looks just like PocketCM. I hope that it is you trying to sell it, cause I would hate it for someone to have stolen your work and trying to make profit out of it.

BTW, good job on RC3!!! No bugs to report so far :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silentpoet:
I tried it and it sucks. Like going to a flea market and getting a knock off.