yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Tornado] pauliusba:
Only started outlook email and File Explorer and i only have 11free ram megs! wtf?

Oh, and there is a bug with text input icon (near battery indicator) - weird symbols are displayed.
[HTC Tornado] qtek_metanol:
I rollback to Windows Mobile 6 ROM for Tornado ( VA_alpha ) from fryrice, its works better than other tested ROMs.

I think we were expecting to much from BETA release from Phil, now we've more bugs than before.
[HTC Tornado] Graviticvortex:
OMG, the phone part is incredibly slow.

In case of an incoming call i first get "Unknown" for about 2 seconds, only then will be callers name/nuber shown, and ringtone will activate after another 2-3 seconds.

When i press"answer" there is complete silence for 3-4 seconds and only after that i can hear other party yelling "can you hear me"...

Its impossible to use the phone like that.
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
You are to hard to him in Your critics, which I think is pointless. We are not pay him so we can't expect nothing beside what he gives to us. I'm very greatfull for what he is doing and I rather will try to help him not blame.
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
the wierd symbols have been present in alpha version also.

install xt9. it is much better.
[HTC Tornado] qtek_metanol:
I'm very greatfull too, but i think we demand too much of phil's work and just few people are helping on it. I found adequate the alpha ROM.

I wonder his work and i know that all other ROMs are based in his work.

Congratulations Phil, please don't misunderstood my opinion.

Big THX an PHIL
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
you guys should appreciate the work phil does, considering that he does it in his limited free time. if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be able to enjoy wm6 on out phones. so stop criticising, help him out by pointing the bugs, he will fix them and then i guess everybody will be happy.

for me it seems the rom works good. i have been testing the pre-beta version and has been a bit sluggish and after installing the beta it works much better.

yeah there are a few bugs like voice command shortcut, sd card cache problem, and probably more, but that's why it is called a BETA! it is not the final version.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Phil, can I suggest?

1) I would prefer the default WM6 splash screen

2) Remove apps such as Registry editor ( I use Resco) , File editor ( I also use Resco ) and Task Manager ( Celetask)

3) Default Calculator apps

In other word, I would like it to look as much as a normal WM6 device

I also realize the ABC/abc symbol used to represent upper case / lower case, a little small, hence you can see it look abit distorted
[HTC Tornado] kajdax:
hmmm I can't sychronize contacts with outlook :mad:
[HTC Tornado] DSF:
I think that this can be resolved by replacing the curent T9 files from other official WM5 ROM (eg: latest orange uk rom), also those rom have an abilitiy to edit/delete words and adding usual T9 Langauges. I haven't tested yet, i will test when I've got some time&mood. (the build process takes a loot of ram/virtual memory and is slooow on my ol' p3 )

1) me too

2) hehe, not good. think about this: you're not home. you need to do a hardreset because something... hard reset done.. now you don't have any file explorer in start menu, so how you will browse the card for opening resco explorer? :D. I think it's OK to include also those basic apps. Plus, I didn't find a way to allocate the unused ROM space to the storage space.. i

3) i also sugested that (to include WM5 calculator, I even attached it somewhere over the alpha thread :P ), but it does not mind me to keep also the actual default WM6 calculator

input or T9 engine bug (?)
[HTC Tornado] gigi69:
GREAT!

Hello,

Good Job Phil, this WM6 ROM is GREAT! I make a 15€ donnation for this job!
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
Agree with U in 1000%.

Let's just point bugs not our personal emotions about it.

So ... only what worries me is that CPU usage above normal. ARM processors consume more power on high CPU usage so it'll dramatically affect battery life.

A question - does disabling cache affect device/SD performance and in what level?
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
i do not see any performance difference at the moment. i guess that the cache is used when copying files so you probably get less errors when copying.. u know.. like the cache from a hard disk.... i guess....
[HTC Tornado] DSF:
melgurth take a look on:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweaks_Performance
[HTC Tornado] kajdax:
I think that Phil did a great work and nothink will work without bugs at the begining .... so we have report bugs and no emotions .

PHIL thank you for your work without you nobody have WM6 in Tornado
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
at the moment we have the following problems to fix:

remove the voice command shortcut. ---- done

change the sd card cache value. ---- done

fix the very high cpu usage problem. ---- to be done

if we embed these things in the rom we will have a good release with less fixes done by the user.

people. keep testing so we can find more bugs NOW and and after the next release. the more we find now, the better the next release will be!
[HTC Tornado] iron1:
i hope we think not only of ourselves as users of this rom...

like what they have said point out the bugs first...

and all those that dont need to be fixed let them be at the moment...

then when its all sorted,then put as much software as you want...

my 2 cents
[HTC Tornado] NiTroGenious:
Unfortunately, the greek localization file is flawed! The _setup.xml and some of the files, were saved using incorrect character encoding. Could someone, please, pinpoint me a tutorial for creating cab files from .reg files and file lists? I have the files/registry keys needed to fix this error! ;)

I didn't had the chance to install the new ROM (still on the 2nd alpha), but I do appreciate Phil's efforts and I really thank him for all his work on Tornado. Keep up the good work, mate! We need people like you. :)

Nick
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
one bug to point out that happened in all releases so far.

when the phone starts, the wifi icon is on, and in the home screen it says: wifi unavailable.

if you go in comm manager, wifi is off... so you have to turn wifi on and then off.

must be a wrong reg value in the new comm manager.

note: this does not happen all the time. just on rare ocasions.
[HTC Tornado] quite98:
This is a good point. There was a similar discussion on ppcgeeks with regard to content of "no junk" Apache roms. The summary is that there is only a very minimal storage memory improvement to be gained by removing items from a rom. And in fact it's much worse to do that, because if you want to install the item that was removed from the rom, the whole application will be placed directly in storage memory.

The kitchen concept that we have on Apache is based around the ability for end users to install as much stuff into the rom as possible - so that valuable storage memory is conserved.

The experts colonel and helmi_c can explain it better than me:

http://ppcgeeks.com/explanation-of-memory-usage-in-an-auk-update-t5231.html
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
setting cache size to 0 or to 4096 does not seem to affect the free memory. i have a little bit over 30 mb with both settings.
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
I noticed that after flashing some files are read only (in ROM) and some are erasable (for example homescreens in \Application Data\Home).

And I wonder .... is there any chance to get some files erasable/editable/deletable? This would solve splashscreen problem (I don't like those) and shortcuts to system buttons or... who knows what else.

Just put in ROM files which are totally necessary and rest in storage area.

Is it possible?
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
But surely task manager can be removed right?
[HTC Tornado] quite98:
If it helps to find a solution, this issue was apparently fixed in the fryrice VA_Alpha release. I've been running that one for three days and not seen an issue yet after multiple restarts.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Phil, I believe most of us would like to donate but we can't due to financial reaso n or no back account.

I would like to suggest this. Make a simple website with the instruction to flash and post link to the file there. Then link the download page to this forum. Insert google ads at the download page. Surely we do't mind to spam the google ads, either way, that is the least we could do to show our appreciation
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
if someone could post the fix for that so we could put it in this rom also it would be awesome.

anybody have a fix for this also?

long press '#' key will switch profile to silent. long press again will switch back. it is very handy sometimes.
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
i think phil has thought of something like that. he needs some people good at coding web pages to do that page for him. anybody have some free time to create a small web page?
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Cyberion Voice Commander doesn't seem to work with WM6, it doesnt recognize the device, can someone do somethign about this? It works on WM5 tornado, and is indeed meant for it
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Nah, just use Joomla CMS, install into the server, then put in google ads code

A sample can be seen from my blog at http://www.karhoe.co.nr
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
ok karhoe. u think you could create a page for him also?

pm him,and i think he will definitely want a page like that.
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
I've playing in Joomla! for some time. ;)
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
anybody interested in doing that page... just pm phil and talk to him about it.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Hmm, I am actually having my exam, but Joomla CMS is very easy to do.

If he can install everything on the server, all I need is the admin username and password for the CMS, and I can put the google ads for him, and just make a humble page to put everything there, and all the google ads of course.

Then all of us can start clicking
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
let's talk to phil when he gets online later today. i sent him an email about the page idea.

i know for a fact that he will want a page like that.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Perhaps melgurth would like to help him. I would help out too.

All he needs is just a Joomla Modules that allow Google adsense script to be added. I have that, screw the design first. Get the contents and ads up
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
Page is no problem but hosting is. I have site on free hosting without limits http://*****.ovh.org and I may create new site.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
I think phil already got his own hosting, which is better if we use that, so that he gains full control of it, anyway, if you insist on doing, you can create the site using Joomla first, then if you create a new admin account for me, I would install the HTML module, unless you already got it. Then, we just need to wait for Phil's adsense acccount
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
There is no need 2 of us to do this. I belive that You'll make it ;)

Ok - let's end off topic ;) We got new ROM to test!
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Where is the new ROM ? Anyway, I know a good free host by byethost, no force ads, huge bandwidth amount, but too bad, my ISP got routing issue with this server, it has been a week since I last entered my blog.

They even have script installer, just one click, and the CMS is installed in the server.
[HTC Tornado] illi:
Voice Command

Anyone with Voice Command cab please post it here.

thanks
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Here is the app to tweak your right soft button to Task Manager easily using a GUI
[HTC Tornado] Jajajop:
Error (264) : Conection

Hi everyone, i'm just trying to flash for the first time, and everything went ok until i got "ERROR (264) : CONECTION" when i run the ROMUddaterUtility.

My question is:

Do i have to close the TeratermPro after the format and reset, and then activate the usb connection on Activesync?

Or just run the ROMUddaterUtility?

I did in the two ways and i got the same.

What am I doing wrong?

Did i kill my Qtek 8300?

Uppssss!!!

In any case, congratulations for the great work for Phil, and all of you too, you making an amazing contribution to the community here, this will have its reward, in one way $ or other :rolleyes: .

Thanks very much in advance.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
Try this, after reset into boot screen, close TeraTermPro, then activate USB on activesync
[HTC Tornado] sebbes:
Yes, noticed too, seems like the Chinese input are still around :(

Maybe that explain the high CPU too

If the ROM task mgr is not using much space, leaving it maybe useful

From Celetask, just go to Shortcuts, and create one to start the celetask.exe from the button you'd like

Talking about VoiceCommand in ROM, wouldnt this prevent people from using other languages version of VoiceCommand? If so then the Cab option is definitely better.
[HTC Tornado] Jajajop:
Karhore

Thanks for your very fast reply

I did exactly this and let me advance until the progress bar appears on the PC screen, but nothing on the mobile.

The connection between the PC and the mobile is ok, i did a new format and reset with success.

Any suggestions more, thanks:)
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
You need to wait for a while for that progress bar to appear on the phone.
[HTC Tornado] Jajajop:
I know, but the error connection appears before that, and the ask me for recover my mobile.

Thanks for your help
[HTC Tornado] grandmaster_b:
Just want to note my errors.

HTC audio Manager will not run

Can't play MP4 files with Media player doesn't show them up in library and when you use file explorer it trys to open with media player and says wrong file type anyone esle getting this ?

CPU usuage is high and had memory bug till I edited registry also.

Other than that I like the splash screens and the rest of the looks.

Cheers Phil good job !
[HTC Tornado] sebbes:
Sames goes for the .MID

Talking about the FileCache size, I kept 4096, which appears to me as a decent value (I now have ~30MB RAM free).

Remember if you disable the cache completely, any storage-intensive application while be slower (ie. navigation software), and the SD card will eventually last less.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
same, was juz abt to post that
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
the mp4/aac problem has been since the release of the alpha version. idk how to fix it, but you can use tcpmp. it also has an equalizer, so i guess it might be better.

cache set up as 4096 seems to be the best value. setting 0 or 4096 gives u the same amount of free ram so i guess that should be the value set up in the next release.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
did u update the gsmradio? it has the ipl and spl file needed 4 wm6
[HTC Tornado] pauliusba:
I'm disapointed.

0) It's a pity to know that this thing is started from ****ty, beta, chinese, "test UI", buggy build. HTC S720 is very similar to tornado techinally so it could have been a perfect start and source for future rom upgrades.

1) I don't like custom WM6 splash, changing it was pointless. I would like to see standard WM6 logo. I like HTC logo though. It's not about customising, we can put whatever we want there, so leave default one.

2) Something is went wrong with that tweaking rubbish, because no free RAM remains after a couple of hours (~1mb). CPU usage is unusually high, too, so battery drains very fast.

3) I like the idea that certain stuff is separated from rom and is cabbed, but it is obvious that it is not done properly. For example, why Office shortcuts are so messed up (office6 - pword, pppt, pxls - too lazy to type properly?)? I don't believe that everything is done properly and mistypes free (lol!). Even Start menu shortcut order is messed up, compared to original WM6 layout. I can only guess how many bugs are left because of that separation.

4) why there is no speech command recognition? it should've been a standard part of wm6 and i'm missing it.

5) abc Abc ABC 123 t9 T9 symbols are messed up and corrupted. Again, what is this? Chinese test build remains?

6) there should be a list of every single registry change done over default one, with explanations. that menu roll effect is nice but it is not default. things like that should be in that list...

Even better, I think that there should be several releases.

*ROMs should be based on HTC S720 rom (no way based on a beta test ui)

1) standard - only a port with button (and hw related) fixes (if needed)

2) standard HTC - only a port with some applications replaced (HTC explorer, camera, not sure about wireless manager, ms one is lovely enough)

3) lite - all available futures are tidly and properly separated in to cabs so user can chose what features to have

4) custom - mess up whatever you want

I only want a tidy WM6 port. I can customise everything i want by myself, plenty of resources exist for that.

But anyway, a good try.

I am prepared to donate up to 100euro if a standard rom will be ported.
[HTC Tornado] karhoe:
did u run the gsmradioupdate? u need the ipl and spl 4 wm6
[HTC Tornado] imfloflo:
:eek: i only gave 5€ cause i can't give more.

How can change carrier_shutdown.png and carrier_splash.png without flahsing?is it possible to overwrite the files with activesync ?
[HTC Tornado] jm012a9749:
Ok, guys I admit I screwed up in this ROM, I have no problems with admitting that, I've got all this week of so will be cooking like a demon trying to sort this all out for you!

Sorry to all of you who had high hopes for this ROM, and who I disappointed with it. And I mean that.

@ pauliusba - Its not THAT simple to port a VOX rom, they have different XIPs, hardware etc, it is on my list of things to do though

THERE WILL BE A COMPLETE RECOOK THIS WEEK!

Known as "Phil's BETA-II (the ROM that the BETA should've been!)" :D

Phil
[HTC Tornado] imfloflo:
I will finish by being obliged to install activsync at work to follow the evolutions :p
[HTC Tornado] sebbes:
I'm wondering why you're not starting your own ROM then ?

Phil is doing this, and sharing... best of all, for Free.

If you don't like this ROM, that's your point, but I do respect the efforts that he did.
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
yeah..... pauliusba.... if you think you are soooooo good.... why are you not porting it yourself??? think about it... you will save €100 and you will have a rom just the way you want!

so... do you think you are up for the challenge or are you gonna be a wuss?
[HTC Tornado] alejo_id:
U know the meaning of Alpha release, Beta Release and Final Release????

kiss my ass pauliusba...

go go go Phil!!!!! EXCELENT WORK!!!
[HTC Tornado] DSF:
just replace

@jm012a9749 not the drivers are the problem, you can use the ones that existe in IU build. the problem is with the XIP.

i've found a solution to lock keypad by pressing #, but unfortunately it's global (avaiable everywhere, not only on Homescreen) and work only for short button press :(.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shell\KeyMaps

120 = 3

120 is the keycode for (short) #.

i don't know the keycode of LONG #. if someone find it.. post here

more info:

http://www.gpcarreon.com/?p=541
[HTC Tornado] jm012a9749:
Yeah I know my problem is with the XIP, but before I do anything fancy like porting the VOX XIP, kernel, AKU versions etc etc. Shouldn't I at least try to get this ROM sorted? ;)

Oh and guys, like alejo_id said ... its a BETA, its supposed to have bugs :D Think of them as value added quirks :P

Just relax, it'll be sorted this week,

And... for those of you who have watched 'Anger Management'.... Goosfraba :D

Phil
[HTC Tornado] Jajajop:
You rocks Phil, thats the altitude.

Go Phil, Go Phil
[HTC Tornado] nav1:
Exactly. It is beta not final release. Every beta version has bugs that's why it exists. So stop complainig because it is pointless.
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
suggestion for people that have complaints:

WRITE YOUR DAMN COMPLAINTS ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND THEN BURN THAT PAPER OR SHOVE IT SOMEWHERE.

if you have found bugs, or know how to fix any bugs:

post them on this thread.
[HTC Tornado] ericjm:
it is very clear guys. you've heard Phil's side. so if you don't like this ROM at all, better wait for the BETA II!

nevertheless, without Phil's effort, all these WM6 for tornado would still remain a dream for us. just learn to appreciate and be thankful.

@Phil: thanks dude you ROCK! :D
[HTC Tornado] alejo_id:
hey guys, tellme how include the Localizations......i wait for spanish in the next rom, or somebody sendme MP with the instructions.....
[HTC Tornado] sebbes:
Even final releases, with loads of engineers & testers.... have bugs !!
[HTC Tornado] Qlphn:
Correct - even official WM final releases had bugs ;)

Morever - Phil can do (and he did!) great job without rewriting software itself - only choosing correct versions and changing configuration... i am impressed :)

and, btw, i got ActiveSync in my workplace :) and sometimes it looks this way:

- Could U, PLEASE, turn your phone ON?!?

- trying, boss, trying (98%... 99%...)
[HTC Tornado] melgurth:
Most dramatically in this whole situation is that qtek,imate (not mentioning HTC) and other hardware manufacturers are obligate to ship official software updates. PPC have own but smartphones (except one Treo) are omited.

This isn't right!

Cooking and tweaking from official release would be pleasure...
[HTC Tornado] jm012a9749:
They're by no means obligated to do so. No HTC device EVER received a WM5 update from WM2003SE... And official updates aren't released unless there is REAL need for them... like AKU2 which added push mail as a direct competitor to blackberry...

Phil
[HTC Tornado] mikeeey:
i tried downloading the beta before you officially released it and i got the awesome 304byte zip file with the readme inside lol.

you sure got me good. but now im installing the real thing.
[HTC Tornado] ch2:
C500

Can I install this new WM6 beta on C500 (Typhoon)?
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
no dude!!! wrong section.. look through the forum again.... and u might see typhoon a bit higher than tornado on the list....
[HTC Tornado] ch2:
I know. But for Typhoon is only one poor rom without any extras... :( And C500 is very similar to C600.
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
not really......

i guess you have to be happy with what you've got :D

the extras might work on your phone.... try those... but the rom itself will not work... it will brick your phone
[HTC Tornado] mikeeey:
i upgraded to the beta cuz i was happy to see there was 31.31MB of free RAM but im getting less than half of that...

i only have about 12-14mb of free RAM.
[HTC Tornado] TheBexFr:
Mikeey, you should read the page 8 of this topic... DSF has the solution of your problem.

Sorry for my short answer... it's because of my poor english.. I'm French...
[HTC Tornado] mikeeey:
yes infact i was just about to edit my post, thanks anyway tho,

your english seems fine btw:)
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
@mikeeey

set the cache value to 4096. will give you almost 31mb of free space.
[HTC Tornado] anandoc:
Sorry if I am harsh, but what part of T-O-R-N-A-D-O dont you understand ? You have two choices here:

1) Install the Tornado ROM on your TYPHOON and get a very expensive paperweight, which you can take to work tomorrow :p

2) Do NOT INSTALL the ROM on your Typhoon and you have a fully functional phone which will faithfully serve you for years to come.

The choice is completely yours. Do let us know how it goes for you after you choose either of the two options :)
[HTC Tornado] mikeeey:
i have it set at 0 right now and have 33mb of RAM. will it be any different or better if i set it to 4096?
[HTC Tornado] TheBexFr:
Mikeeey, to answer you, I will quote sebbes :
[HTC Tornado] sebdiaz:
VoIP

Hello Friends,

How canI turn on the app VoIP, with Comm Manager option 0 nothing, using settings option 4 IP Phone, nothing ...

Regards,

Sebastian

www.casablancawines.com/sebastian
[HTC Tornado] mikeeey:
thanks. i will set it to 4096.
[HTC Tornado] mikeeey:
does anyone know of a good wm6 black theme? i thought green was pretty cool but now with the new splash screen id like a black windows default theme.
[HTC Tornado] bogdi1988:
damn the battery runs dry soooo quicly on this rom......
[HTC Tornado] buster100:
Thank you man, good job....