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[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
Problem with packing more pixels in a given size is they get closer together. Especially so on a hand held where space comes at a premium and everything has to fit in an extremely small form factor. That makes the pixels and chips smaller.

The the more pixels ya want, the smaller, and close together they have to be. And the smaller they are, the less sensitive they get as they tend to bleed light from one pixel to another.

Light sensitivity and detail goes down as you now have to filter out that bleed.

As far as ois goes, it helps you shoot with lower exposure times in low light.

More light sensitivity equals longer exposure times at lower light levels, which equals less need for ois, and another big thing - less software massaging to filter out the noise inherent with that bleed - and that filtering removes detail.

So ya see, bigger pixels is gooder pixels.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the HTC go on about how the M8 camera had a big pixel size but In the end the fact it was low resolution ruined it.
[Nexus 6P General] effraie:
Less photosites on same surface also lead to less heating on the sensible surface, making less noise.

More pixel only useful if you're gonna make bigger print. (or drastically reframe). Let's face it : if you wanna make poster print from your cellphone, you're doing something wrong.
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
Pixel size isn't everything, but that doesn't mean it's not a good thing.

What to do with it is another thing. You can see this in real cameras where same sensor is used, but different camera manufacturers have different ideas on what to do with it. Some filter more aggressively to get a smoother picture, some less to get more detail.

Probably more important to picture quality is the glass you're shooting through. You'll never see the true capabilities of a sensor if shooting through cheap glass.

Not being an HTC engineer, I can't say what their goals were with their camera, but I do know the testing someone like dxomark can do will hold true in real life. This isn't like benchmarking a cpu.
[Nexus 6P General] seezar:
However wasnt HTCs resolution much smaller? Something along the lines of 4mp if I'm not mistaken. 12mp will be far from low resolution.
[Nexus 6P General] effraie:
BTW, if you really will print often and big enough to feel 12mp limiting, you will probably be even more limited by other flaws in cellphones cameras... Lack of field depth control, lack of optical zoom, lack of good and interchangeable lenses...

I'm really glad Google choose to limit megapixels and worked on image quality instead!
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
4.1 I think it was - sounds more and more like it was just a cheap arse sensor.
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
I tried to find a picture on DxO that was taken on both the Sony Z5 and Nexus 6P.

One has more detail than the other. Guess which?
[Nexus 6P General] Smallsmx3:
The bottom one
[Nexus 6P General] dadsterflip:
Top one has more detail
[Nexus 6P General] TechBSwift:
The top one is the nexus and the bottom is the Sony. It easy to tell because of the lighting
[Nexus 6P General] Spike96:
The top one wins! Yes ours is better!

My only concern, though, are the videos from the Nexus 6P. I think Google said they would be improving the image stabilization with software?
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Bottom pic looks better I think?
[Nexus 6P General] Won't be druv:
I'd vote for the top, it seems clearer to me.
[Nexus 6P General] Aridon:
Both look good. Depending on what you're looking at the bottom or top might have more detail. One part where the bottom has more is in the circular paint dish on the left bottom you can see more speckles and they are clearer. The top left has far better detail on the paint brushes especially as you get closer to the left most brush and the space between them is much better preserved.

Overall the top picture is better.
[Nexus 6P General] Jaxidian:
I think the idea is that the N6p will actually record at higher-than-1080p so it can dynamically pseodo-crop the video to remove wobble.
[Nexus 6P General] Spike96:
Look at the different color paints and the paintbrushes. The top one looks much clearer.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
I think this is one of those "blues dress", "white drese" things.
[Nexus 6P General] chrisjcks:
---------- Post added at 07:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:59 PM ----------

I think both are great photos - I prefer the top one though, just because of the colour tones.

But, Which is which?
[Nexus 6P General] travishamockery:
These pictures are slightly different too. Brushes aren't the same and paint bottles are turned different. Bottom looks a bit more vivid to me though.
[Nexus 6P General] Mave025:
I'd pick the bottom one it has more accurate white balance, the colors pop more, and it's picked up more light. Looks much better to me, no contest.
[Nexus 6P General] prestige2:
The top one has more detail and the color more accurate
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
I've noticed 4 things that changed within their setup between using the Nexus and Z5.

1. The liquid couldn't possibly remain constant between the two since they were taken at different times, most likely different days.

2. The top middle of the Nexus photo has different color labels that match the colors of the paint.

3. The crayons (I think) on the top left are rotated slightly to show the labels on the Sony Z5 shot.

4. The DxO label.

Regardless though, while the differences are subtle, I am impressed by what the Nexus camera did here. Can't wait for some full reviews.
[Nexus 6P General] dadsterflip:
I swear ... Waldo is around here somewhere.
[Nexus 6P General] blassster:
I wonder if the SD 810's ability to encode h265 4k could optionally be put to use in Google Camera to cut down on video size. I think there was an xperia that gave you the choice in their proprietary app. If I get this, I'd likely be using the FV-5 apps for pictures/video but it would be nice to have official support.
[Nexus 6P General] Chilidog:
Oh nice the 810 can decode 265?! I've downloaded stuff in 265 but my 801 can't handle it
[Nexus 6P General] blassster:
Both encode and decode.
[Nexus 6P General] blassster:
Sorry for double.

News: got confirmation via Twitter, dxomark uses the default camera app that comes on each phone for their testing. This is potentially very good news, because even in full auto mode, 3rd party "pro" type camera apps usually give you much better detailed photos/video, especially if you're into RAW. RAW gave my Nexus 5 a bit more juice.

https://twitter.com/larsrehm/status/650974886475759616?s=09
[Nexus 6P General] limeaid:
I'm not. The G4 Camera is not that great. Significantly worse than the gs6 for a multitude of reasons, like inability to focus accurately and too much over processing. If the 6p doesn't perform better than that POS, I'll be returning it
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
I agree, my G4 camera isn't that great. My S6 is better, I haven't found a better mobile camera than the S6. It's just a shame it's so locked down and full of Touchwiz crap.
[Nexus 6P General] user822:
Not really, only a sh*tty Main profile with 8bit color depth that is not even sufficient for 4K Bluray streams (Main10) in the future.

Nvidia can do that in their Tegra X1, GTX 9**. Not Intel, not AMD and certainly not Crapcomm Adreno.
[Nexus 6P General] Semseddin:
Agreed, bottom picture is superior. no debate.
[Nexus 6P General] aSeven:
I think the top looks clearer... Although the bottom might have a bit more shadow detail.
[Nexus 6P General] jonwb:
Will the camera on the 6P support manual focus? (either natively or w/ a second party camera app)
[Nexus 6P General] dondavis007:
Probably

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[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
I dont think OP ever said which was which but the concensus is that the top is the 6P and the bottom the Z5? Its tough to really make call on the "detail" considering we are basically getting thumbnails instead of the original images. That being said here are my thoughts:

- I'm curious as to the circumstance behind the scene being pictured. Is this something they recreate each time they do a review (this in reference to all the differences between the photos like the paint tubes and "crayons", etc.)

- If the lighting is the same in each picture then I cant see how anyone could argue the bottom is more accurate. Look at the tops of the paint tubes in the upper middle. The Top picture shows great shadow detail and shows more of what the naked eye is likely seeing. The bottom one somehow turns them all grey (including the "black" tube itself).

- Just to the right of that where the paintbrush and the feather is the bottom picture looks washed out

- Looking at the smaller tubes in the upper left of the picture (in particular the "bar code" on the brown tube) the top picture seems much sharper with the bottom one blurring it a bit

- When looking at the tools in the top left the top picture seems to have much more natural color reproduction assuming they arent actually a weird maroony type color

- Green feather has much more detail in top pic

Now with that being said another thing people need to keep in mind is what you see (especially color-wise) will be largely dictated by your monitor as well. I'm also not convinced these pictures were taken under the same circumstances. The bottom one seems to have more light or maybe a flash (hence the all grey tube tops) and the top one may have been taken without a flash?
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
Yea, top was from the 6P review, bottom from the Z5.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Where did you find the pics? I can find the reviews of the phones but they are just a barebones pro/con list it seems
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
Nexus 6P

http://m.connect.dpreview.com/post/6879969771/dxomark-mobile-report-google-nexus-6p

Sony Z5

http://m.connect.dpreview.com/post/6254840659/dxomark-mobile-report-sony-xperia-z5
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
Low light rating is so low. Camera will be crap.

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[Nexus 6P General] Smallsmx3:
I don't think so. They say the 2nd best camera on a mobile. That's damn good. Color shading is low but can be adjusted via software.
[Nexus 6P General] Poke_N_PDA:
Ditto. Best news I've heard was DxO saying it was the best low light phone they have tested by far. It honestly seems like the only thing holding back their review is the bad video stabilization which will hopefully be fixed in short order. That said though, I don't take many videos so it won't affect me much.
[Nexus 6P General] HRodMusic:
Came across this video today might interest some of you ;) 240fps not too bad I can't wait!

https://youtu.be/3JFMJQNKM6c
[Nexus 6P General] geofox784:
Any word yet on the camera supporting manual control or RAW files? It would be awesome if someone can run this asap: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.vipek.camera2_compatibility_test&hl=en
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Q1VyYTBBQ2FRRnQ5S2xzUDVoN1RyTEZRWUtEYV93

Thats the original from the guys google photos.
[Nexus 6P General] GloriaPowers:
Top one has more detail
[Nexus 6P General] Poke_N_PDA:
"impressive detail preservation in low light conditions, by far the best tested to date"

- did you not read the article?
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
Do you have eyes to see the pictures taken so far or you are a sheep that read w.e crap that gets feed to you? The pictures in low light are full of noise. I don't need to read articles from some journalist paid couple of hundreds to publish that b.s rating.
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
It's always the most clueless who make the most interesting posts.

Funny how that works!
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
All the pictures I've seen have been in comparison to the other best cameras out there and they stack up very well. Not sure I understand the conspiracy theorists who are determined to undermine almost every report on the camera
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
C above
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
I guess different people see same things differently but when you zoom in the low light pictures taken with the 6p you can tell there is lots of noise. In good light all these cameras take good pictures, no doubt about that.

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[Nexus 6P General] sdelcegno:
Do you prefer some noise or over processing? I will take noise over aggressive photo processing any day. At least I can clean up some noise after. Good luck fixing s photo that has the detail destroyed to get rid of noise.
[Nexus 6P General] dondavis007:
You can always process the pic later, the main thing is to have something to process. I think Google did a really good choice with the camera.

This is written from my second Z5C, soon to do a DOA because it's something weird with lens.

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[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
So which smartphone camera has less noise in low light?
[Nexus 6P General] wtherrell:
[emoji107] [emoji107]
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
The newesr Galaxy line of course. LG G4 had good camera too, manual mode but that phone was super dull so I would not recommend it to anybody.

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[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
If DxOMark would provide the original shots it would be way more helpful. The 6P and S6 Edge both have a similar low light (20 lux) shot but they are basically thumbnail images so its hard to draw any conclusions. The S6 Edge photo is also smaller which makes it appear more noisy/blurry as well. They also say this in regards to the S6 Edge: "Shooting in low-light conditions the S6 Edge’s exposure time of 1/10th Sec can result in a little blur despite the device's image stabilization system. Ensuring you have a sturdy grip of the phone and shooting relatively static subjects will help". The S6 also appears way more washed out compared to the 6P and Z5

Take it for what you will. Until we see some original resolution photos to compare we are talking about examining compressed and resized images.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Seems the IPhone 6s is the new smartphone photo quality winner.

http://bgr.com/2015/10/09/iphone-6s-plus-xperia-z5/
[Nexus 6P General] chrisjcks:
Lol says a guy on YouTube?

Everyone that has reviewed the 6S+ has stated the camera has very little difference to the 6.

Even Apple fanboys The Verge, clearly showed in their tests that the camera doesn't match up to either the S6 or the LG G4.

Infact, to bump up the resolution to 12mp, apple have had to include a smaller pixel size compared to the 6 that will actually perform worse for the majority of low light photography.

From what I've personally seen from the 6S camera is that every single photo has a strong yellow tint!
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
No way!nexus 6p has best camera!!:D:D

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[Nexus 6P General] TechBSwift:
Did you even read that article before posting???
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Nope lol.
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
BGR isn't worth the read. The 6s pictures I've seen are washed out and poorly processed on my opinion. I don't think my current Nexus 6 has a particularly great camera but its still better than those 6s pictures
[Nexus 6P General] fatboypup:
BGR is soooo iBiased
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
Hence why its not worth the read. BGR~Verge.... They are one and the same to me
[Nexus 6P General] mwatson:
With this quest for the perfect camera, some peoples expectations of a cell phone camera become unrealistic.

I have a Nikon d3200 DSLR with ois and that too displays noise in low light if you zoom in.

If a Nikon DSLR displays noise in low light, how is a tiny cell phone sensor going to trump it?
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
I've a 5100, 4.8 something um pixel size - 6p 1.55 um pixel size.

5100, 1 inch by 1.5 inch sensor size (give or take) - 6p, what, probably a quarter of that, maybe (probably not even that big).

And an almost 6 year old dslr by far blows away the finest phone camera available today, and next year, and the next year.

What some expect is just amazing sometimes.
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
Anybody here pays attention to the camwra software as well? To me stock camera seems pretty crappy compared to what other phones have. No shooting modes, no nothing. Even the interface is so ugly.
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
Use another camera app. Opencamera has tons if features, except hdr.
[Nexus 6P General] ambervals6:
Interface is still ugly. Htc, samsung or even lg have such a nice interface. Seems like that does't matter for some people here.

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[Nexus 6P General] Won't be druv:
These have recently appeared on a YouTube channel. Apologies if already posted but I hadn't seen them yet.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCNan6CaodWRxTcYkWV28yCw
[Nexus 6P General] chrisjcks:
Fake as @#£%

all his video comparison's are the exact same footage, with a different filter applied.
[Nexus 6P General] Won't be druv:
Ah, thanks. Sorry about that. ?
[Nexus 6P General] Elnrik:
Oh come on... There has to be thousands of camera apps in the Play store. I'm sure you can find a solution like F-V5, HD Camera, etc. Heck, I'm sure the Samsung camera apk is available for download somewhere.

Make as many backhanded comments as you want about "some people here", point is you're just whining now. As much as you've been bashing the phone on these forums, are you even going to be ordering one? If not, why are you trolling so much?
[Nexus 6P General] fatboypup:
Just grabbed FV 5 after reading this i think that will be a fine replacement for the stock camera
[Nexus 6P General] Elnrik:
I use it and enjoy it. You may want a 3rd party gallery app that can view raw to go along with it.
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
Manual camera is another great one too. I bought FV5 a while ago but never ended up using it that much
[Nexus 6P General] ZheGoose:
Can the 6p record video at 1080p with 60fps?
[Nexus 6P General] luciferiusXI:
Anybody else finding the video recording bad? So sensitive to minor shaking... pictures I took seem okay so far
[Nexus 6P General] AfroCreame:
The iPhone 6S Plus and Galaxy Note 5 kill the 6P camera. When I started shooting HDR images at night I was shocked to see a "Processing HDR" popup for 2-3 seconds. You don't see that kind of jank on the aforementioned devices. 6P daylight shots are nice if not better, but you better have a steady hand in low light. Video isn't that great either. But...decent device for the money.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Agreed, my S6 is quite a bit better. The 6p is ok, not great but not terrible.
[Nexus 6P General] nrfitchett4:
Account currently disabled... Wonder why?
[Nexus 6P General] ggreenwood334:
I can't find the article as it was a couple weeks ago. But was told Google would have a fix for the video shake. Since it uses software for stabilization. Something like that.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 6P General] pahardie:
Coming from an S6 I can confirm the camera on the 6p is good but not great in comparison.

If I was coming from any previous nexus I'd probably be very very pleased with the camera.

S6 just takes stunning photos and video, I don't know why the 6p scores so closely to it.
[Nexus 6P General] Blaze876:
well I went to a Halloween party / get together yesterday. Of course everyone was snapping pictures and all were in low lit areas. Persons with Note 5 and S6 were blown away with how bright and clear my pictures came through. We all were taking pics of the same subjects in relatively the same position. The Note 5 and S6 owners were all asking me what kind of phone is that, the price and where they could get it lol. The note 5 /s6 pictures weren't bad, however they weren't anywhere close to what the 6p was taking.

P.S. I think the note 5 / S6 takes better pics in daytime as well as better videos.
[Nexus 6P General] CarlosAbia:
Front facing camera on the S6 is better as well?
[Nexus 6P General] dondavis007:
I've got booth S6 and G4. Waiting for the 6P, interesting times. I mostly have trouble indoors. Written from a Z5c.

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[Nexus 6P General] Crosserson:
I took several low light/no light pictures last night as well and was extremely pleased with the picture quality. Blown away compared to the Nexus 6.

I did a few super slo mo videos outside yesterday and those were amazing as well to me.

I have not taken normal video yet, but I am sure there will be some shake as reported by lots of ppl, doesn't bother me though.

This is the best phone I have owned, for short period of time I have had it.
[Nexus 6P General] pahardie:
Got to be honest I don't think I ever used the s6's front camera! I'm too ugly for selfies :):D
[Nexus 6P General] usaff22:
That's because the HDR on the 6S+ and Note 5 don't take about 30 frames each at a different exposure - they take only a handful of images at different exposures. HDR+ in the Nexus 6P is vastly different to the HDR modes in the Note 5 and 6S+.

You can look at the more in depth info here and here.
[Nexus 6P General] Blaze876:
same here, I am coming from a nexus 5 so drastic difference lol. Havent done slow mo as yet. I did do a short video at night to test the camera and it was clear and well lit (was in a dark room though). I don't do much video so the stabilization is not a big deal to me. I also consider myself to have a steady hand so that's that.

---------- Post added at 06:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:31 AM ----------

Thanks for the info, I did not know this.Always wondered why HDR took so long on my nexus 5 when other phones were so fast.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Would it have been so difficult for Huawei/Google to make a Nexus camera that beats ALL the competition? I just want my Nexus to be the best in every dept with no compromise.
[Nexus 6P General] nrfitchett4:
and then it would cost a thousand bucks like the high storage note 5 and iphone 6s+
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
In the UK it costs £500 for the 64 version. You can get an S6 cheaper or Z5 for roughly the same price or G4 for £200 cheaper!
[Nexus 6P General] geoff5093:
Those are competitors to the 5x, not 6p. You'd need to compare it to the Note5, V10, etc.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Even still, £500 is expensive for a middle range phone.
[Nexus 6P General] geoff5093:
The 6P is not a mid range phone, it's a high end flagship.
[Nexus 6P General] TroyBoy30:
http://www.androidcentral.com/photos-showdown-iphone-6s-plus-vs-nexus-5x-vs-galaxy-s6-vs-lg-g4
[Nexus 6P General] italia0101:
A middle range phone the 6P is not. :highfive:
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
I've changed my mind since getting it, it's not middle range.
[Nexus 6P General] wedouglas:
Any hope on manual exposure controls returning? I don't know why on Earth they were removed. Controlling exposure is like one of the most important aspects of photography.
[Nexus 6P General] Lockeskidney:
Is the camera shooting through gorilla glass? If so that would degrade quality no? I remember they did that with the nexus 4. You shot through the back glass. All other cameras have their own separate lens ie sapphire for iPhone etc
[Nexus 6P General] effraie:
Actually, if the lens is built while considering the glass in front, and corrected in accordance to it, there should be no problem. A lens is glass
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] happyfeat2010:
hi everyone

im would like to buy original samsung wireless charger for my note 5 and i have question about this chargers.

I would like to know is there any different between galaxy s 6 wireless charger and note 5 wireless charger Technically or they are the same??

if they are not same when i buy this charger , how could i khow its belong to the note 5 or galaxy s6 . i mean is there any Technicall different between samsung wireless charger for this 2 device you guys could tell me ?? How could i realize that which charger belong to note 5

thanks lot for help In advance
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] happyfeat2010:
anyone can help me?
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hm1b:
I have bought this from Amazon and is working perfectly:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UGIA0WY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00