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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] CLShortFuse:
There's a reason 8MP is the default resolution. 23MP creates sub par pictures. The Z5 camera is a complete package. It designed to take images from the 23MP camera and downsample with post processing down to 8MP. If you shoot just at 23MP, you won't get the benefits.

You can check this out by taking a picture at 23MP and scaling it down yourself to 8MP and taking a picture at 8MP. The results will be different.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] elvishh:
my two cents..

hey guys

so i got on here to see if i could figure out for the life of me why my camera was shooting such high ISO's in manual mode. came to find that you cannot control iso settings in manual mode in the 20, 23 meg setting. but, it actually turns out that you can!

i notice by taking photos with different brightness levels (the brightness toggle) that this actually controls iso. take a photo with less lower EV (-2), the lower the iso will shoot. the higher, the higher and more noise in your shots.

hope this helps someone, cos it def helps me think that the camera isnt a total waste :D

edit:

additionally, i have found that if you use image stabilization, this drives the ISO up by about 50 iso points (saw an increase in my samples from 150 to 200 iso)... HDR mode does not increase the iso, and the images usually come out brighter, while keeping ISO lower.

someone please try and verify , just take a shot, and click on details to see the numbers
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] whatsitsnamenow:
I have a few more comparison photos side by side with detailed infos. Photo samples are taken by Samsung Note 4, Note 3, Xperia Z5 Compact. Photos are zoomed 100%. Take a look

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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] KobiP:
Hey,

in therory you are right. But I tried it and I get no difference. 8MP, ISO 50,,Daylight and still super noisy... As if my Sensor or SW has a fault....
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] j0sh0:
Guys is the camera still very slow after the firmware update? Also the focus is not fast... If I take a picture it saves the frame with 1 second lag... Pretty disappointing honestly.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] pocii:
I went to San Francisco for some vacation time I cherry picked a one photos for you guys... I'm by no means considered a good photographer and I was messing around with different settings for all these. Hope you guys like them.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] slavehunter105:
U guys got the new camera app update?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] j0sh0:
Yes I did but the camera is still pretty slow.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mmm286:
+1

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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
the new camera UI is way faster and seems more solid but shame there aint no RAW :(
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mmm286:
Why do you say is faster?

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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
Because it is. At least on my end...
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
because its way faster. it loads from cold boot in like 2 seconds max and most of the time its like 1 second.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mmm286:
Yes is faster. Less fast than g4 or €6 but better than previous versions

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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] logger:
As you say, maybe slightly faster. Liking the cleaner interface. I wonder if it has had any effect on the image output quality? I am not seeing in improvement in point and shoot snaps so far unfortunately.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] thesebastian:
Maybe in some post processing factors, but in general the best stuff of the camera is only updated by a firmware update and affects all the cameras (not just the Sony one)

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] logger:
I see. Yes that makes sense when I think about it.

Will put up with Z5c camera mediocrity for now and only use it when I have to. Hopefully improvements come with Marshmallow next year.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
The new UI is more visually pleasing for sure. And if you keep it in memory, it loads up very fast. Still loads in a couple of seconds when not in memory, which is fine for me (I usually take pics of static or slow moving subjects). Any future improvement will be very welcome of course, just in case I ever need to snap something super fast.

Here's a quick story; I've started a new job for Samsung to promote their phones, especially the flagships. At the training session we had a camera shootout where several of us stood in a line and tried to take a photo of another chap across the room who was walking along from one corner to the other. We had to see who could get a pic of him as close to where he started walking as possible. All background apps had to be cleared from memory. There was the Galaxy S6, my Sony Z5C, a HTC, a Huawei and an iPhone 6 or 6S (can't remember exactly). Anyhow, the iPhone won because the Samsung was in selfie mode by accident ha. But my Z5C came in third despite me using the camera button. This was before the new app was launched and I didn't realise that there was an option to quick launch the app and immediately automatically snap a pic when the camera button was pressed. I think the Z5C could have won or came second at a minimum if I'd enabled that feature. Oh well.

I've got some low light comparison pics with the Galaxy S6 edge (my new phone that work gave me, sadly not to keep forever haha), which I'll post soon.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
LOL and you think we believe you because you work with samsung aka the lamest company in the world.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
I do believe him.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
If I was trying to decieve you would I even divulge that I work for Samsung? And why would I own a Z5 Compact if I was blindly loyal to Samsung?

My job is to promote Samsung phones in retail stores (Carphone Warehouse), not online. And it is merely a temporary job.

Feel free to not believe me if you like, doesn't bother me! Nothing will stop me loving my Z5 Compact :)

Anyway, photo comparisons coming soon. I've already compare it with the Nexus 5 and Motorola X Play, where it won easily. Let's see how well the Z5 does vs the S6 edge.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
I would say that with this Camera UI update my left side blur either vanished or if present it is much less obvious. Defo the step in right direction.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] rycek0:
I all time have blur in left and right corner side. Have new UI camera...
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ACA7:
Looking forward to the comparison between Z5C and S6 Edge cameras supercakefish! I currently own an S6 (the "normal" one) and love the camera. But I'm thinking about buying a Z5C for the more manageable size, better battery life, some further tweakability in the OS (like smart Wi Fi management and Stamina mode) and of course the dreadful memory management of the S6. What I'm hoping in the Z5C is a camera pretty much on par or only slightly worse than S6 but a more zippy all round performance in a smaller package. I've read and watched a lot but so far I'm not 100% convinced. Lots of people talk about the occasional stutters and slowdowns on the Z5C which really surprised me because the CPU/GPU is so overengineered for that device. The much lower screen res combined with the closer-to-stock OS skinning should've resulted in a blisteringly fast allround experience but by the sounds of it it's not quite there. Am I getting this right?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
True thats why i went with the z5 compact also. the camera is pretty good but low light photo's need to be taken with manual mode because the auto mode doesn't take the right photo mode to get nice shots but overal the auto mode in day light gets the job done most of the time.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
Coming soon. Busy tonight with revision for a Viva tomorrow but I'll upload them ASAP.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] SirRobin78:
Let me ask if there are devices without that blurry pictures in the corners? The Thread in Z5 Sony Forum is bigger every day, not really sure if this problem will be fixed in near future...
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Sadman Khan:
Mine doesn't have the blurry corners. I'm lucky :D
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Adrift98:
I can't seem to replicate the blur issue on my phone. Not sure if you've been actively reading the Z5 camera thread, but the reason it's growing bigger every day is not because of complaints, but because people are praising how good the pictures are when the device is used correctly.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] maven1975:
I'm sorry, but this camera is complete pants when it comes to low light. Side by side with an average iPhone 6, I have to really manipulate it to even get close in results.

I have tried manual, manual with night scenes, 8mp etc.

There is a ton of blur on both sides of the photo, but the subjects within 30% of Center are good. Switching to 4/3 helps crop it up more like the iPhone, but we can easily point and shoot with that basic camera and achieve better results.

Outside at night, it just refuses to focus on the subject leaving all photos blurry. This is not from me or my hands moving. I actually busted out a monopod to verify.

What gives?!

This is really disappointing.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] thesebastian:
[MENTION=2667467]maven1975[/MENTION]

I totally agree with you. The camera is terrible (for a 2015 flagship) at low/mid light.

I really miss my old N5 2013 camera in that aspect.

Now in video quality is really nice.

Regarding daylight photos, its fine (texture is really blurry at real size, but fine from a thumbnail or small display).

I hope they can improve the camera quality (by camera firmware update) in future.

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
Low light performance is light years ahead of the Nexus 5. I have both phones. There's no contest. The Sony phone isn't amazing at low light. It's nowhere near the Galaxy S6 but it is much, much better than the Nexus 5.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] thesebastian:
Try to compare 2 equal photos (closeups) to the same object with medium light (without flash and using HDR+ in the Nexus 5) and honestly prefer the N5 quality with HDR+ (try to compare both photos in a PC at real size).

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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
So what do you guys say? Any good?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
I've owned both S6 regular and Z5c now, I can share you some ideas.

1. Screen is clearly S6 sharper but Z5c more color accurate and 720P basically enough for 4.6" and such 720P quality is considered one of the highest.

2. SD810 is very quick but not as fast as Exynos 7420. The OS responsive still S6 wins but not to a place to care about, the gap is very small(I think there should be a real different on Z5/Z5P, Z5c is just 720P and fast).

3. Battery life only at identical level, the 14nm Exynos helps out a bit. The S6 used 2.1k 5.1" but that piece of S-AMOLED is quite power saving, on the other hand the IPS on Z5c consumed more battery than my expected. In the end, they are quite similar when talk to about battery performance, perhaps Z5c ahead in a small margin but don't think of much improved battery shame on SD810 power draining. Android 6.0 got noticeably better battery so S6/Z5c will have a new life later.

4. I don't experiences any lag, some earlier roms got bugged I guess. Memory management is better bcoz S6 got poor memory management but I think Samsung will also improve on 6.0.

5. Camera is 50/50. Surprisingly, S6 focus faster and accurate(I think only the z5c camera not mature) and better jpeg processing. Z5c got better color and exposure, sometimes a bit off tend to cooler and blue WB but safe to say that overall Z5c perform a lots better in this area. Low light shot by handheld is S6 better no doubt bcoz the OIS is working as expected. I real can't comment on camera part, personally I prefer better color so I like Sony but for most guys they mainly want point and shoot and OIS should be way more important to have. I don't have problem to shoot 100/200ISO at low light with OIS but on Z5c I gonna pick 400ISO to reduce handshake. The S6 android 6.0 screenshots is leaked today, it now comes with manual shutter and raw in stock camera. Not sure about if Z5c will get that in 6.0.

Both are very good phone, I don't think switch to Z5c is an upgrade but if you want a small powerful beast with IPX67 and microSD, that's the only choice. SD810 has potential development but since many guys scared away SD810, I don't see any serious development happening on Z5/Z5c/Z5P board, indeed the S6 got way more modding and custom roms(no CM/AOSP sure). Another problem is Z5 family got many defective lens so be sure to check it carefully before buy, mine is very lucky enough suffering from issues like left hand side blur or corner softy.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
I can take some low light comparisons to show that (in my opinion) the Z5 Compact outclasses the Nexus 5 camera [emoji4]

I find my Sony Z5 Compact battery to consistently last longer than my Galaxy S6 edge, under pretty much all circumstances.

In general usage I find it very difficult to notice the difference in sharpness between displays. It's there, but I have to actively beer looking for it rather than it sticking out like a sore thumb.

I find the cameras very evenly matched during the day, with the Sony winning out with some scenes but definitely worse at low light shots and macros.

Performance is a mixed bag between them. The S6 feels faster in terms of local storage and can thus feel slightly snappier at times, however animations tend to drop frames much more often on the QHD display of the S6 edge vs the 720p display of the Z5 Compact. Example is the BBC News widget; drops loads of frames when scrolling on the S6 edge but it smooth as butter on the Z5 Compact.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
Just a quick correction; Galaxy S6 uses UFS 2.0 which is different to eMMC.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
Seems to me you have faulty unit as it is not normal to have your phone resetting during video recording or at all if you dont give it command to do it.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
Mine has done it once or twice. And my Nexus 5 did it on rare occasions too.

It's an Android quirk, not related to Sony.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] eng3:
I don't think you (or anyone) has enough info to know if it is not related to Sony. It is Sony software and sony drivers that operate the camera. It ofcourse links with android components. Who knows where the issue is.

- Drivers (which are the interface between the OS and hardware chips) are most prone to errors which would cause the system to become unstable. A higher level application, would be more likely to just force close.

- However, the software is full screen and froze. Maybe the OS was still fine but the software was blocking my touch input somehow. Note, I was able to get the shutdown menu to pop up briefly before getting hidden. I dont know if holding down the power button a long time triggers a reboot.

- I have had other random reboots which did not seem camera related so that could have been Android itself.

- In the end, it is Sony's phone so they should make sure it is stable. If there is an Android bug, they should work to have android fix it or create a work around. At least publish it as a known issue.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dammitt11:
Hey,i just wanted to know,does Z5C or any Z5 family have burst shots mode(not third party please)..i know Z3C have one..

Z5C is always been in my radar since its mostly have all features that i wanted to have....a smaller than 5 inch phone,great camera shot(kinda),great battery life,and a fingerprint,waterproof and burst mode capability..Z3C is great too,except it doenst have a fingerprint sensor....theres some websites saying Z5 family have the devs burst mode,but some people say otherwise,so im kinda confused here... I really cant find any phones that have my requirements,and samsung is off my list
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Z5c got took out burst shooting in standard shooting mode but some said using TimeShift Burst(shoot at 8MP) provided by Sony got same result but I didn't try it yet. I wish they add back this feature on 6.0 too.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
I dont think Timeshift Burst is shooting at 8mpx but at 720p sadly.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
That is TimeShift Video, we've got two TimeShift now. But I've not tested TimeShift Burst yet.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] HypeZ85:
i already wrote here how much (and why) i'm disappointed with this z5c camera: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64925844&postcount=14

but.. do anyone knows an app that can enable full manual camera controls and it really works?

- Manual Camera crash when you try to select iso, shutter time or manual focus

- FV-5 "emulate" long-exposure shots with his "software-merging" on multiple shot, pretty useless

- Other apps i tried just don't have full manual controls

- Native sony app "manual mode".. is not manual
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] langeveld024:
Timeshift video is full-HD 1080p, there's only a workaround for the first Xperia Z to shoot at ~100 fps at 720 or 480p. Else it would shoot timeshift video 1080p at 60fps.

Z5 does 1080p at 120 fps
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bubimir13:
You haven't test it but you know!? Timeshift Burst is either 720p or 1080p pictures, with not much details like in full 8 or 23mpx burst pictures like with other flagships. Shame on Sony for that.

Timeshift video is not FHD but only HD [MENTION=512813]120[/MENTION]fps, nothing to do with regular video camera mode of 1080p @60fps. You might slow down via video editor, but it lose it sense then. And apropo that, iPhone having 720p [MENTION=353015]240[/MENTION]fps, pretty sure that it has even 1080p [MENTION=512813]120[/MENTION]fps sooo, yeah, thats that. But Timeshift Video has far better UI during and after then any other OEM, thats guaranteed.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
I didn't say I know. I said some told Timeshift Burst got 8MP here(I doubt him at that time) and I'm not sure. It's good to know that it's only 2MP. Wish 6.0 will add back real 8MP burst shooting.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
You need Camera API2 to support real manual controls and at this time we are still running API1 on 5.1.1 ..... however it's possible that the 6.0 will support API2 bcoz some Sony developers were mentioned about it.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Kallu609:
Source?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] thesebastian:
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/td-p/974742

Also, you could notice that the camera firmware is not polished specially changing to another camera app. Like Google Camera. Or just taking a photo from "WhatsApp" or another non-camera app.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Actually, that link isn't the right one. This one is the real.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64130503&postcount=808

This was posted on g+ concept initiative by a Sony Dev...

Update to Feature Requests

As previously mentioned we look at a number of things before we implement and include a requested feature. It's not as simple as just because something is at the top of the list of requested features, it's the first that gets implemented.

We have now concluded that there are a number of features we won't be implementing in the concept software before we in the project team take a Christmas vacation. The list includes the following features;

** RAW

** Automatic unlock (pin code)

** Camera API2

** DualShock4 support

** FM Radio

** Ant+
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ajbattaglia83:
Manual ISO 400
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] raytheblacksmith:
I'd love to work for Samsung. I'd help them bleed even more money than they already do. I'd get fired real quick but it would be worth it!

The main problem I have with Z5 Compact camera is that it takes a long time to start (with the button). And the "press + shoot" doesn't really work that well since I don't see WHAT I photographed. And then it takes a while again until I can look at my photo. Frankly speaking Z3 Compact feels much faster :/
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ianbirtwistle:
The size, battery life and weather sealing make it a great camera for the mountains.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] raytheblacksmith:
I'm a blacksmith (I am sure my username doesn't give it away) and I need to find settings to photograph fire in such a way that it doesn't become white but remains orange/red... I managed on Z3 Compact ONCE but I can't remember what I have done. If anybody has good photos of a bonfire at night/in the evening (more likely than photos from a forge I expect!), could you post them together with the settings you used?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] schnidex:
Is anyone able to say how the Z5C camera compares to the Z3C camera? I love my Z3C, but the camera is rubbish compared to the iPhone (perhaps no surprise) but also Samsungs and HTCs I've used in the same situations. Does the Z5C have a camera worth upgrading for and pictures I can be proud of?

I'm particularly talking about photos with the flash off. With the flash on, it's not so bad, but with the flash off I usually won't even bother if someone else has their phone around. Which of course, in 2016, they do.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] E5823:
Great scenery and really nice shots. :)

Just out of curiosity, have you done any kind of processing on any of those?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ianbirtwistle:
Thanks! Yes the scenery was perfect, easy to take good photos on a day like that!

I did a little post processing, mostly increasing the colour saturation as they came out a little flat., possibly due to the harsh sunlight bouncing off the snow. Nothing I wouldn't do with my DSLR photos anyway. If I could get the RAW files then I could really have some fun!
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Yea RAW would be hella nice but even marshmallow wont bring us that so sony fails again and again it seems and even tho this z5c aint that but things like this pisses me off because sony is like nr1 on the camera hardware but software wise they just below standard.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tanto124:
•8MP auto, edited with snapseed

•8MP auto, edited with snapseed

•20MP manual, edited with snapseed & Lightroom & Photoshop
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ady3004:
auto mode 8mp
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] UAESouq:
I like Sony Xperia Z5 Compact Camera it's powerfull
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mario24601:
I read a lot of back feedback on the camera but these pics look fantastic to me.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dillalade:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6e46LKf3A75Sm5TMnJ5Yl95dUE

Nothing groundbreaking.

But not too shabby either. Have a look
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Yea nothing special but good to see you where in amsterdam bro :)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
I've never try Z3c so I can't tell. But currently the camera driver suck in high iso, under 200iso doing good but above that range worse than my Z1c. 4K focus in real low light seems a bit trouble, I'm sure camera not mature. But generally focus much faster than Z1/Z3 and white balance is very accuracy. So it is a mixed at this time. MM should out soon, I'll suggest you keep at eye on 6.0. If MM doesn't fix camera, I will sell it out.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Sadman Khan:
Low light
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Proday:
Had z3c for 8 months and z5c for only one...camera is better, but I'm shure difference doesn't worth money you have to add when sell z3c (sold mine z3c for 230€ and pay 420€ for new z5c in octomber last year).

Now is a bit better situation, I see new z5c for 330€ in my country, and there is finally mm firmware release...

Sent from my SM-N910C
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
is that with locked bootloader? i have unlocked bootloader and drm fix and cant get anything like that
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
I'll be doing a full comparison between Z5 Compact, S6 edge & S7 soon but for now here's a quick low light shot:

Sony Xperia Z5 Compact

Samsung Galaxy S6 edge

Samsung Galaxy S7