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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clorbag:
I don't think we should bash the camera on new nexus yet it hasn't been reviewed fully yet.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
Which is why I said I may have to flip an iPoop for it.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bajasur:
I have a Note 5 at home that I use on occasion (wife's phone). After using Samsung devices for years and switching to nexus last year, I can no longer run TouchWiz. The color scheme and fluidity of the os is atrocious.

I've also noticed that even after opening an app and running it, if you reopen it minutes later, the app has to restart.

That being said, I've ordered the 6P and would have loved to have seen wireless charging, OIS and waterproofing
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdub251:
I've had every samsung phone since the S3 and am happy that this will be my first Nexus device. I can't stand TouchWiz.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechBSwift:
I have a note 5 right now and just purchased a nexus 6p, simply because I'm tired of Verizon and Samsung locking the bootloader and blocking root... They install so much bloatware that the only option is to root and uninstall it.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
I don't think I'll be able to flip a phone through the Next program at ATT because it's "financed" and if someone else used it it would be "stolen"

Can anyone confirm or debunk that?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geeks Empire:
Info

Nexus 6P vs Galaxy Note 5

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7588&idPhone2=7431

It was my Question too.

& I finally decide to upgrade my Nexus to Nexus 6P rather than purchasing new galaxy.

I want to see new tech and i can get it with new nexus

New Camera Lens, New Software, New Camera Features, New USB Connector & etc

:good:
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qPs1:
Thanks for the link. For now I've decided to check out the Note 5. I should have it by tomorrow. For those of you that can't stand Touchwiz, what's so hard about replacing it with another launcher. With my Note Edge I couldn't really do that because other launchers couldn't take advantage of the edge features, but since not much development has gone into software for the Edge aspect, I just got the Note 5, root it, not really worried about tripping Knox, and change out Touchwiz for Apex...
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Lol those that "can't stand tw" simply can't afford the phone and try to find excuses.

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chosenhobo:
Nah dude, I've been rocking note 2, note 3,note 4 when each came out.

always go for the notes because I love big screens and they bait me with their spec sheet.

yet I have to admit that other OEMs (HTC, LG) definitely seem to always be less bloated and run more smoothly than my device, even when using other launchers or ROMed. it's just that Samsung has way too much bloat on their devices.. I hate needing to wait ~3 seconds whenever I press the recent apps button. freezing with TB becomes more work than should be necessary because sometimes there's something you don't think you use but it breaks functionality on other features.

I'd much rather start from the essentials (vanilla android) and add functionality, than have to spend my time trying to optimize/debloat a phone that started off with great specs countless gimmicky features
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shook187:
Hearing people say they can't stand TouchWiz is getting old. You can easily change theme and launcher and get rid of 99% of what I think people hate of TouchWiz.

But my opinion is the note 5 is > the N6P no matter how anyone tries to slice it. Locked bootloader unlock bootloader, development community, that might mean something to some but to the general public looking at both phones side by side, it won't even be up for debate.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
TouchWiz is not just the launcher, it's the whole UI!

Replacing the launcher doesn't mean you're not using TW. Everything in the background is still TW!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Do you go in the background every 5 minutes to check if it is tw or not? Or you spend all time in settings menu and realize it has many tw feautures and makes you cry?

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechBSwift:
I'm using the note 5 now, and if it wasn't for the locked bootloader, I would not be buying the nexus. The note 5 is the best phone out hands down. But I'm on Verizon and tired of the bs. Including no root
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
It's still a fat bloated ***** in the background running a ton of useless processes. So much so that 4gb of ram apparently isn't enough in Samsung's eyes because their memory management is either on purpose or they are incompetent.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kervinsota1234:
what is the best phone??
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wendellc:
Note 5 is a better phone compared to the 6p specswise. This is what I dont like about samsung, slow updates, bloatware and touchwiz.

My wife uses a Note 5 and she does not complain about any of the cons I just stated. I tried to put Google launcher for her and she doesn't like it. She could care less about any of it, she loves the pen, camera, and screen on it. We did install the package disabler app just to rid some of the apps she was not using.

As for me, I am getting a 6p, I want the latest and greatest of android that is available. I also hate the carrier and manufacturer bloat that they put on these phones. I'll take pure vanilla android any day. I strictly use google services so I hate the redundancy of apps that Samsung puts on their phones. The last update that Samsung pushed added Microsoft apps without our consent, stuff like this I hate.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qPs1:
I'm on T-Mobile so locked bootloader is not really an issue. I always root my devices and get rid of most of the bloatware. I also install custom ROMs so slow updates from Samsung is not much of an issue either. But for the general person who doesn't want go through all of that and looking for a vanilla android experience then the 6P is probably the better phone for them.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdelcegno:
I have had the note 2 3 4 and switching to the nexus. Tw sucks and after a month the phone runs like ****. Even with tweaks etc. And with slow updates etc. Tw is so much more than the launcher. I was a Samsung fan but now they got rid of sd card and removable battery also. So I'm done with them.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbdudek:
I have been running with the Samsung Galaxy Note 5 for the last couple weeks. It really is nice to play with phones from my workplace. Anyway, the Note 5 is an awesome phone. FoxFi works great on it for a wireless hotspot. The phone is so smooth and fast. Touchwiz isn't my favorite, but I do have to say that it gets much better over time. Wireless charging is also very nice as well.

I had my heard set on the Nexus 6p, but there are some gives and takes with each of these phones and no clear winner in my opinion.

Note 5 pros:

Wireless charging

4gb of ram makes a difference in speed

Note 5 cons:

Can't root

No ad blocker

Nexus 6p Pros:

Stock android may be faster

Rootable (but android pay doesn't work with root from what I read)

Nexus 6p cons:

No wireless charging

So, do I sacrifice the wireless charging and Android Pay with a Nexus 6p and root the phone? Or do I just live with ads and run with the Samsung Galaxy Note 5? I am going to be watching the reviews carefully for the 6P but I am on the fence.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] designgears:
Spanking it by removing features from the previous year.. right?!

Note 5 vs Note 4:

-IR Blaster

-220 mAh

-Removable battery

-SDCard Slot

-Same back camera

-Gesture sensor (Air gestures)

-UV sensor

-Audio quality drop

-Audio level drop
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsg411:
I was considering switching from ATT to Tmobile simply to get note 5 and be able to root and rom it. The knox will be disabled but I don't care about payments with a phone and on tmobile it wont brick your phone. Additionally I just realized Tmobile has unlimited 4G data and talk and txt for $80. Thats a good deal. Only thing Note5 wont have then is front facing speakers...not a big deal to me plus Note 5 has same 5.7" size screen but likely because of no front facing speakers the overall size of the phone is 1/4" shorter which is a big deal to me because I think the 6p will look too tall just like the iphone 6plus does.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
From an experienced user like you...I would not expect that -220mah battery to be there because you know better than that. Screen is way more efficient and cpu also, so that -220mah is no sense. Then same back camera? Did somebody hack your xda account? :D Curious how do you measure the drop in audio quality? Or just throwing it out there? Ext sdcard was nice to have but for the benefit of way better design is good they got rid of it. As far as removable battery goes, idk you but where I live there is always power outlets one can use in case it runs out of battery.

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My exact thoughts.

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] designgears:
Just did a quick eyeball of the specs from gsmarena, I was just trying to be funny, seriously, air gestures support missing :D :D
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Most likely there will never be AOSP for the Note 5, just like with the S6, because Samsung doesnt release the needed source code. So, if you buy the Note 5, you'll be stuck with TW and you will get updates 4-6 months later than the 6P gets them. Hence, for me it would be a nobrainer. But I'm sticking with my Note 4 running CM/AOSP for now ;)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
Samsung did promise monthly security updates!

But I doubt the carriers will cooperate.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cryosx:
I think the faster updates alone make the Nexus 6P more desirable. Then you have a camera that's nearly on par, a screen that's supposed to be the same (but calibrated for color accuracy), the option to have 128GB and still be cheaper ($650 vs $700) than the base model, stereo front facing speakers, much better development, and if everything works out with the 810 better battery life (3450mah battery). Also, with the S810 the nexus 6P will support savoca's KCAL Module which means you can adjust saturation if you really want the punchy colors.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JasonJoel:
I don't know... I already got my 1st monthly security update on my Verizon Note 5...
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liqn7:
The decision between the Note 5 and Nexus 6P becomes harder in Australia when the Note 5 can be had for below the 6P price.

Also no carrier locking, so you can unlock the BL and root to your heart's content.

The Note 5 will undoubtedly have superior hardware (not SD810, UFS, 4GB RAM, best in class camera and screen) and the disappointing incremental features in Marshmallow which already exist with xposed (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmallow-thoroughly-reviewed/) is making pure android less mandatory.

I'm actually leaning towards the Note 5. With a dark material skin, nova launcher and xposed, the gaudy bits of touchwiz can be removed and the overall user experience would probably be similar if not better (thanks to the hardware) of the 6P. And then it's actually cheaper than the 6P ($880 vs $899 AUD).

Help!! Am I going crazy? :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] digitaldr:
My advice - try out the 6p - if you don't like it send it back and get the Note 5!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
I'm not sure if you are on a Samsung already ? Cause then you'll know Touchwiz. Some people actually seem to enjoy it. And you'll then also know how it feels to have to wait 4-6 months for updates (or not get an update at all). If you can live with both, then it's easy, get the Note 5. And if you don't, it's easy too, get the 6p :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Where do you people see 6 months waiting for updates because I don't see that. Do you keep phones for 2 years that you have to wait 6 months for updates or what? + what new does android 6 bring? I can only see app permissions and nothing else. And new is not always best. Latest android 6 for example came with huge signal loss bug. Is that still better?

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pr0cl1v1ty:
Yea have over 700 posts on here and don't know how to google search android 6.0 marshmallow?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+6.0+marshmallow+changes
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
I remember kitkat on my S4 taking so long. But a more recent example, for the Note 4: http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/android-lollipop-note-4-n910g-finally-t3071194

3 April 2015, that's exactly 5 months after Google released Lollipop.

Like the previous guy says, www.google.com can be very helpful sometimes, duh. One of the major improvements is better battery life due to several optimizations: http://wccftech.com/android-marshmallow-battery-tests/ Kinda sucks if you have to wait 5 months for that.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
This is just not true. Touchwiz is way more than just the launcher you look at. On the Note 4 for example you click on the recent buttons and wait 3-4 sec for the device to even respond. On CM12/AOSP for the Note 4 this response is immediate. Just a debloated Touchwiz with another launcher is not even going to get close to the speed you will have on AOSP.

If you can live with that, sure the Note 5 has somewhat better hardware, although I doubt the camera quality will make much of a difference for example. And the 'miles better hardware' is overstating it big time. And what good is a bit faster CPU if you run slow software ? The net result is negative (unless you're a gamer maybe). In fact I'm 100% sure that a Note 4 running CM12 will be more responsive than the Note 5. And CM12/AOSP will NEVER come to the Note 5 because samsung doesnt release the sources for it, just like they didnt release sources for the S6.

Heat developement/throttling might be an important factor, we'll have to wait for the reviews there. And regarding Android 6, to me this is a much more interesting update than Android 5 was. Especially the improved batterylife makes me want it, big time ! And waiting 5-6 months for updates on Samsung, that's just horrible IMHO.

But to each their own of course.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] digitaldr:
Erica Griffin Note 5/Edge 6 review is up if you have 55 minutes to spare.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Have you used a note 5 or you are one of those that watch videos all day and never experience the device in person?

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Note 5 is not being sold in my region. I can go to a shop and do a side-by-side test, my note 4 running Cm12.1 and a S6 edge+ (the european version of the note 5) and compare responsiveness. I could even make a small movie out of it and post it on youtube, would that make you happy ? I'm betting the Note 4 running AOSP is more responsive than the Note 5/Edge+ running touchwiz. And the 6p will be the real winner there, since it runs AOSP and its processor is faster than the Note 4.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
Why run AOSP on a TW device? TW has a great many useful features and is miles ahead of most UIs.

The negative is that it's also bloated and not as fluid!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Because TW is slow as hell, that's the whole point. If it was fast, no one would install AOSP.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
You just answered your own question.

You understand this is XDA, so keep in mind the demographic, the people here desire different things than average Joe on the street with a Note 5.

I am not saying everyone of them wants AOSP or TW.

I am saying that there are people here who prefer the fluidity of AOSP to the slow and bloated touchwiz UI. Those who do make the choice to rid themselves of all the pros of touchwiz because in all honesty the cons still exist in each version of TW we see and the cons are still enough to warrant changing the OS.

No one here cares if they can use S Note if they can't get to it and open it as quick as a phone with such impressive hardwaresh should be able to.

You ask me, touchwiz is great for end consumers. But for most here we can agree that where you get more "features" (most of which we never use, like smart read) you lose speed and fluidity. It's common sense we see everywhere. If Samsung really felt a crunch on their profits due to their phones performance then maybe we'd see them try and rid their OS of these problems. It's not like they lack the minds capable of this over there.

Matt
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
That's over exaggeration!

Why run AOSP on a Note unless you don't want to use any Note features.

Nexus fan boys are just as ignorant as isheep!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe. So all those 25.000+ users who have installed CM12.1 on their Note 4 are idiots ? :) "Nexus fanboys" ? Hehe. Surely there must be a reason. And the reason is that TW is a CPU hog which slows down the device. Anyway this is getting a sad yes/no discussion. If you dont mind running TW, get the Note 5. if you do hate Touchwiz, like a lot of people do, get the 6P. To each their own.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
You're the one calling them idiots. Number of downloads does not equal number of people running it!

Running a non TW fw on a Samsung is pointless because you can't use the features it comes with. Unless it is a GPE device. So comparing a stripped down barebones AOSP rom to a fully featured TW rom is pointless.

Might as well compare AOSP to iOS!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Not sure which features you are talking about ? S-pen ? works fine. Samsung camera modes ? Implemented (even 120 hz recording which is not possible with Touchwiz). Samsung display modes ? All work.

I'm really missing Touchwiz like pain in my ass.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Don't bet. You will lose.

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You must be really good with numbers lmao. 25000 is nothing compared to millions of notes or galaxies sold

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
We'll see. I'll shoot a side-by-side video using slowmo video mode recording, my Note 4 running AOSP next to the S6 edge+, doing things like recent button, starting and closing an app, scrolling. Cause that's the only way obviously to show you how slow Touchwiz really is. Even though the S6 edge+ has a way faster CPU, I'm sure the interface will work slower because of Touchwiz.

So your point is ? 75% of Android users is running Android 4.4 or lower I'm pretty sure 95-99% of the users dont even know what Cyanogenmod is. My point is that if 25.000 users install it on their Note 4, then they must have some reason. And the reason is that AOSP is just way faster than Touchwiz. If it was not, I wouldnt run AOSP myself. Why else do you think I have AOSP on my note 4 installed ? It's most certainly not because of the features :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
W.e lol nexus fanboys.

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Sure. Enjoy your Slowwiz. And Android 6 when you samsung guys will get it in March 2016, lol.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Lol I have a note 5 an iphone 6s and waiting for my 6p 64gb to get here first days of november. Each phone got its pros and cons. The only pro I see about the 6p is that it fulfills my flash addict desire. But all stock, the iphone 6s and note 5 blows this phone. You got 5.7" screen that you don't have any use of. Note 5 got so many features that you can justify why you hold such big phone in your hand. Of course you will say you don't need those b.s features note 5 has, but you used to say the same 3 years ago about multiwindow, while now everybody is so happy that android M on nexus has that ability. Also fast updates are not important anymore because android now is so fluid and stable that there is no need to be on aosp to enjoy the experience. 5 years ago, it was a must to be on google nexus because was the only fluid phone, while now that hardware got so advanced, pretty much all manufacturers push fast devices. Even the 1+ was able to make a phone...can you imagine how easy that has become :D

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dontbeweakvato:
I have heard on launch day the the 6p display was "brilliant and beautiful"
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Sorry but this is just really nonsense. The battery life in Android 5 is horrible and Android 6 features a lot of changes to improve this. SO dont tell me android is now 'complete' and updates dont matter anymore. You obviously dont care about updates, good, Samsung wont give you anything so Samsung seems the perfect phone for you. Now let others who DO care about updates buy the 6P.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
i currently have the note 4 and i didnt go for the note 5 because it is a huge disappointment to a lot of people including myself. no ir blaster, no higher battery capacity, still the same screen, same camera, no microsd card, only 32gb and 64gb option which is not enough nowadays, glass in the back, need to say more? the note 5 may have the greatest specs but design wise, software, and the 128gb option, the nexus 6p wins on this one
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Please don't say more because when you said same screen I realized how much you know about phones. Somebody ask the mods to close this thread. The pros declared that 6P is clear winner lol

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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
There is no clear winner. If you dont care about updates and dont care about Slowwiz, the Note 5 probably is your best bet. But if you do, then get the 6P. Easy as that. To each their own. You keep insisting that updates dont matter and that Slowwiz isnt really slow, hehe, good for you, enjoy your Note 5 then.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloney:
When did we start using the term Android 5 or 6???
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
It's a developer thing. For example: https://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-5.0.html

But if you prefer to talk about Marshmellow, Lollipop and other candy, feel free to do so ;)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cloney:
I guess i was more used to the milestones with 4.3, 5.0, 5.1, 6.0. Seeing it without the 5.x or 6.x was weird.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
You're going really offtopic now. The mere point was to illustrate that if you buy a note 5, you wont be having Android 6/6.0/M/whatever anytime soon. Most people hate that, hence the popularity of the Nexus.