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[G4 General] Spudnubs:
I've warned and I've warned and I've warned. All this marshmallow hype is unwarranted as the majority of the people WILL NOT ENJOY the update. I've been running it since the minute it came out because I have a few G4's to mess around with and I'm not lying when I say it is absolute **** when it comes to Lollipop. People ***** every single day about the locked bootloader and now root is gone too. There is literally nothing that this update could bring that could be better than rooted Lollipop. I know you made a simple mistake, but I think you're stuck with it now. You may be able to flash a stock Lollipop KDZ to revert back, but I don't know if you are able to downgrade like that.

A short little review of Marshmallow after a days use:

Total garbage. For starters, battery life is in the ****ter now. I'm constantly tethered to a wall or forced to pack around an external battery with me. I cannot bring a keyboard up in forum reply boxes using any browser. They removed the ability to save a custom brightness setting when you slide the slider and tap the brightness button and it now just has presets of 50% and 90%, which is somewhat annoying as I personally hate automatic brightness. I like the ability to have 25% saved in there so I don't burn my retina's when I wake up in the morning and turn on my phone. I have to enter in a minimum of 6 knocks and use at least 3 of the boxes for a knock code now.

I guess a plus would be all the little animations that people hardly even notice are suuuuuper cute.

Doze? Piss off, give me back Greenify and CPU Sleeper.

App permissions can piss off too, it's not like we couldn't get that with root + xposed before....

With the exception to material design or an overhaul of the UI, the majority of updates since, I want to say ICS, have ALL been around unofficially before via root applications and xposed modules. I'm almost getting sick of saying it, but there is nothing that can replace the functionality of those. Most features that are implemented into official android updates now have gotten their inspiration from the open sourced community and the modifications that us users make to the operating system. LG locked the bootloader up and look at the kind of backlash that has brought to the G4 community, people hate it! Now we don't have root and I am almost positive that every person that is on XDA wondering about the Marshmallow update is going to completely regret ever updating. I've had this device from day 1 of release and for the two or so months that there was no root for the G4, people were literally flipping **** over it. I can only assume that the same thing is going to happen again now.
[G4 General] DoughMucker:
I'll second Spudnubs comments.

I've upgraded a couple other devices to MM and there really isn't any functionality in MM that is better than what can be found in LP with xposed.

The only thing that will make me consider upgrading would be a security issue... and I'll look for alternative solutions first.
[G4 General] Jok3r10:
The link for 10h at devtester is dead, even if you try to supplement the link like they suggest. Also on Rogers OTA updates now bump you to Marshmallow.[/QUOTE]

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24399994186367639

H81210H Stock Image
[G4 General] Spudnubs:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24399994186367639

H81210H Stock Image[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I'll update the OP when I get home, after dinner.

Marshmallow screen on time has dropped from 5 hours to a disgusting 2. It's only been a day, but I can't see battery life improving much more than that.
[G4 General] AmonX:
Is the stock/factory screen protector any good. I just bought an otterbox for my phone and the person at rogers told me that the screen protector from the factory is thicker and better than the one that comes with the otterbox. He also said I should save the one from otterbox for when the factory one needs replacing. Is this true or was he just being lazy and not wanting to put it on for me. (i usually get the store to put the screen protectors on because I always manage to get a spec of dust or whatever underneath them and it drives me crazy)
[G4 General] DoughMucker:
I left the factory protector on and it works great. I carefully lifted the corner and then cut off the tab that sticks out which your supposed to use to peel off the protector. I then rolled the corner of the protector back on and smoothed it out with my finger.
[G4 General] bitemark01:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24399994186367639

H81210H Stock Image[/QUOTE]

Thank you soooooooo much for doing this! :good::highfive:

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That's funny to me because the guy at the Rogers store pushed a glass screen protector on me, which I thought was dumb before... but I love it and it's been great, and I wouldn't go back to anything else now. It feels like you're actually touching the screen, and so far no scratches in mine.
[G4 General] Eagle1337:
If they didn't update the bootloader we may be able to go back to lollipop.
[G4 General] chriskwarren:
Does an anti-rollback value of 0 mean that going back to Lollipop is possible?
[G4 General] VTech1855:
From the other replies it seems like they locked the bootloader.

This blows. I loved my phone but the second I started using it after the update I want nothing to do with it anymore.

Edit:

That method is for the H815 model only according to at least one post. I'm using H812 from Rogers.
[G4 General] Spudnubs:
Upgrading to Marshmallow is PERMANENT (as far as I can tell). Essentially RIP G4 if you upgrade!
[G4 General] bitemark01:
You'll be happy to know then that I *just* restored to H81210h (Lollipop) using LGUP and the image provided by Jok3r10. So, rollback is possible! Huzzah!
[G4 General] goofball2k:
Thanks to everyone for all the good info thus far in this thread regarding MM. I hope others take the time to search and find the answer to their questions regarding root and MM at this time with the G4.
[G4 General] koontzy65:
This is such BS, stop sounding like you bricked your device because you upgraded to MM. People will come here thinking they made an horrible mistake upgrading. It not because you don't like it that your device is bricked. This is your opinion and millions like MM too. I don't love playing with exposed and the app permissions is a great feature
[G4 General] arbitarytwist:
So agree with your comments. Its like a big commotion here. "End of the world with marshmallow".

If battery doesn't last try a reset. If you went from a rooted phone to one with all apps you know the battery will take a hit. Give it a few days before the horror stories.
[G4 General] crzygrmn:
I don't get it . almost everboby was waiting to get marshmallow.

Now there just *****in.

I never rooted my phone since i felt i didnt need to since i couldn't flash any roms anyways.

If people have issues with there phones after upgrade , just factory reset your phone and youll be happy with it.

Everbody here should know upgrading is always a big mess and a factory reset is recommended.
[G4 General] bitemark01:
I was happy to try out MM, until I found out the bluetooth pairing/location services fiasco. Also I was hoping it would fix my camera issues, but it hasn't (that's most likely hardware, and I'll have to take it in once the problem goes from being intermittent to always). Secondly I found they added a lot of superfluous options that get in the way more than anything.

I don't know about battery issues or such, though I was finding it worse than 5.1 ever was -- which I had *great* battery life with, this one just seemed *okay*. Though maybe it could've been better with a factory reset, I don't know. The other options were enough to make me move back.

Abortions for some, tiny flags for others.

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Double success! I'm able to upgrade OTA to H81210n (LG Bridge wants to push me right to 6.0). I wonder if I can save this update...
[G4 General] mb_guy:
I also agree with you. Way too much BS floating round here regarding MM. I updated mine and everything still runs:D . My GPS programs work, email works, I can make phone calls.

I used to own HTC devices and was a flashaholic. Now that I have LG G4 I can't but the stock rom works without issue so I no longer care,.I sometimes think I miss Titanium backup, but there are other alternatives and this device has removable SD so really no big deal.

My last comment is suck it up you guys, or buy an HTC or other brand if you must flash. Why did you buy LG, do your research before you buy!

And Spudnubs, I went to the trouble of sending you the Rogers 20e kdz, others may actually want it, so please post it.

Thanks

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Thank you soooooooo much for doing this! :good::highfive:

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That's funny to me because the guy at the Rogers store pushed a glass screen protector on me, which I thought was dumb before... but I love it and it's been great, and I wouldn't go back to anything else now. It feels like you're actually touching the screen, and so far no scratches in mine.[/QUOTE]

I'll second the Tempered Glass screen savers, they are are great.
[G4 General] jainanshal:
What Bluetooth pairing/location services fiasco are you talking about? About the battery, it is a very well known concept to give battery at least 2-3 charge cycles before commenting. I would even say to first do a full reset before making a judgement. I don't like to do OTAs when it comes to major updates, only a fresh install & I must say LG Backup is not a bad tool (in the absence of Titanium backup).

However, thanks for confirming that downgrade is possible.

It is so easy now, we have all the kdz(s) needed (thanks to guys) & we know upgrade/downgrade is possible, everyone can do whatever they want!
[G4 General] bitemark01:
It may not be a fiasco to some, but I think it's a BS decision by Google. I first learned about it here:

http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/simpleCase.htm?caseId={3d828d20-9944-11e5-4cfe-000000000000}&kbName=garmin

Basically in 5.1 I could turn on bluetooth, and my watch/step counter (vivosmart) would sync my steps, and send me notifications like texts, calls, let me know if I was walking out of range of my phone, and I can also use it to make my phone chime and strobe the camera flash if I've misplaced it. All very useful!

As of 6.0, Google now requires any device that syncs via bluetooth to *also* have Location Services enabled, for no other reason that I can see other than data mining on Google's part. I hate leaving that turned on, it's a battery drain, and I don't need my phone tracking my every move.

6.0 also added a lot of extra stuff in submenus that I don't use, and only gets in the way. Like I said I can't comment for sure on battery life, and it still seemed pretty good to me in the short time I used it, though not as good as 5.1 seemed to be. I found things like connecting to wifi to take a little longer, though not intolerably so. Also for whatever reason, the flashlight toggle in the notifications menu takes 5 full seconds to shut off, to the point that I'm not even sure if the click went through. Maybe these all would've been fixed by a factory reset? I can't say, because the first issues were enough to put me off.

I may check MM out again if they do a 6.1 release and reverse their decision on bluetooth/Location Services, or if Xposed tools increase enough to disable the bluetooth/Location Services garbage.

Basically I found no good reason to use the upgrade (though it wasn't horrible), but a couple of really good reasons to downgrade. YMMV.
[G4 General] jainanshal:
Are you sure you're interpreting it correctly? The way I see it, this app 'Garmin Connect Mobile' was using Location services before as well (you gave access to bulk of permissions in LP) but because permissions are being handled differently in MM, you have to manually turn it on. In a way its good as now you know what's happening which you didn't realize in LP. Anyways, this is just the way I understand it and I may be wrong.

On the contrary, from what I have seen in settings until now, most things look the same to me! Doesn't feel like a major OS update. But anyways its a personal preference.

However, absence of root is one of the major reasons I might go back to LP but cannot blame that on the MM update.
[G4 General] Spudnubs:
People are coming here and also messaging me saying they made a mistake. I read every single post and receive multiple messages every time an upgrade comes out with the same questions and concerns that have been asked and answered so many times before. If you even follow this thread, or even follow XDA at all, you should damn well know that people don't read a thing and constantly need these facts shoved in their face. How many times have I answered "how do I root on Marshmallow"? ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PAGE. There are a whole list of other questions that never stop getting asked as well so sorry for trying to keep the updates on a page to page basis. Also, your facts are in the toilet, son. Millions like marshmallow? Get real. This is a small community, the amount of people that have a G4 in Canada who come on XDA to better their devices is no where near a million. We are in the hundreds, maybe a thousand or so. Both of you are ridiculous, end of the world? Get lost. I said what was good and app permissions was included there. Battery life is ****, there is no way around that right now and I also said that I WILL GIVE IT A FEW DAYS. I am still using my device with Marshmallow on it and it absolutely does suck compared to rooted + xposed lollipop and I think many people will agree with that. The people that would disagree with this are the people that aren't on XDA to begin with because they either don't know, or don't care about root and xposed and then sure, Marshmallow is a fantastic update for them.

Stop taking what I say out of context.
[G4 General] bitemark01:
I could be wrong too; I actually don't mind Garmin Connect Mobile knowing my location, I just don't like that I have to leave Location Services enabled 24/7 for everything else too in 6.0. I turn it on for when I need maps/gps, the other 95% of the time it stays disabled.

It wasn't so much the settings, as in other places. For instance, I tend to send a lot of pics, either through MMS (I use ChompSMS), or email. In 5.1 I'd click the Share button, and it would show me a list of apps to pick from. In 6.0, it pre-empts the apps list with a list of my contacts in the Messaging app, which I never use. At first I thought that was decent and might save me a step? Except that Messaging returns the error saying "some of the attachments were not sent" (meaning NONE of the *one* attachment I tried to send, failed). So now I have to scroll through a page of useless contacts, and no easy way to remove them from this list. It may seem minor, and it's not a show-stopper, but it's an extra inconvenience I didn't have before.

I usually root my devices, but this is the first one I haven't felt the need to, because they *do* offer so much up front. I've held off in case I experience a hardware failure (which seems to be starting now with my camera) and I have to send the device in.
[G4 General] arbitarytwist:
Dude stop getting too cocky with your comments. You are helping everyone that's great and kind of you. That's the whole point of the XDA forums. You are the OP of this thread so don't act like you own it. If marshmallow was go bad google would have pulled it back. Not everyone roots their phone so i am sure people are surviving with marshmallow. So RIP LG G4 is your fact in the toilet.
[G4 General] Humu Toor:
Upgraded to Marshmallow on Monday, Bootloop on Tuesday. Not sure if it's related, could've just been my phone's time to go. Getting a replacement sent from Rogers and hopefully this one has better luck.
[G4 General] Spudnubs:
You can obviously read, but are extremely poor at interpreting information. At the request of other users, I tried to roll back to Lollipop from Marshmallow and was unable to and made a simple mistake by saying once you update, you can't go back. That has since changed and proper steps have been made clear by other users. It literally is the end of the G4 for some people. First a locked bootloader and now no root with Marshmallow is the end of the device for them. I personally do not care. I am still using Marshmallow on my device and will continue to use it so I can supply updates to people that want to get them, but like I have said many times before, the majority of people that come to XDA WANT ROOT at a bare minimum. You're still taking everything I say out of context. For example, "If marshmallow was go bad google would have pulled it back". First of all, I think you mean LG/Telus/Bell/Rogers, but whatever. Secondly, the update is not inherently bad, it IS bad compared to what Lollipop had to offer the users in this thread. I've said many times, enjoy your device and I am a big fan of the G4, but there is no denying that the way they are going with the software on this device absolutely sucks with the Marshmallow update.
[G4 General] bitemark01:
Question: were you/are you on Rogers' $11/month insurance plan thingy? I cancelled mine months ago because I figured the standard 1-year warranty would be good enough; now my phone is experiencing intermittent camera issues - usually after a day of being on, the camera shows me a blank screen saying it can't connect, until I reboot it - sometimes it reboots itself in doing so. So it's not demonstratable, I figured I'd wait til it was worse to take it in.

Anyway, I'm just curious what my difficulty will be like in replacing the phone. Thanks for any info you can provide. Here's to hoping you get a hardware revision 1.1 at least.
[G4 General] arbitarytwist:
" You can obviously read, but are extremely poor at interpreting information " - I think i very much applies to you, as you frequently lecture people "Do your research before hand". Well maybe you should have waited and done your research too.

You help people that's great, and appreciated by everyone. Just don't throw your opinion too much on the fact that you do that. Someone will figure out a way for the root to work. I don't have the abilities so i can only hope. If not live and learn. If its a big deal then time to sell the H812 and get the H815 as has been numerously been stated in the G4 forums.

Enough of the bashing and lets enjoy the phone as is or wait another 18 days for the LG G5 to be announced, which will most likely come with a locked boot loader and marshmallow. Cheers.

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When that happens maybe you should try to get a video of it and use that for your reference. I have not dealt with rogers, but did send a phone in for warranty through Bell. Had to drop the phone at the bell store and they sent it in (that was a HTC phone). It takes 2-3 weeks or more depending on what they can do. I don't think you can contact LG directly as you have to go through your carrier, but i am not 100% on that.

Meanwhile you would need a backup phone or believe rogers can get you a loaner for a deposit. Again don't know what kind of loaner you might get. Also do check with them that there is no fees in case they deem the phone has no issues.
[G4 General] Spudnubs:
I don't frequently lecture people about that and I've also said that I enjoy the G4 numerous times (I HAVE THREE OF THEM) as well and am still enjoying it and will continue to enjoy it. If I wanted to, I would just roll back to Lollipop. I don't own this thread, but I am certainly here on a daily basis managing it and all the questions that get asked and all of the concerns people have to the best of my ability, so when I think I have a general idea of what people want such as at least a rootable device, I'll be heard and let people know that they will lose what they want, specially if it is permanent. Thankfully it isn't and we can revert back, hopefully that is the last time I have to say that I made a mistake. I have also told people to swap for unlockable H815's as well, but hey, I don't expect you to have read the 7x pages and all the messages I've received with questions.
[G4 General] Humu Toor:
I wasn't on any insurance. I just called technical support, told them my issue, they tried to run some basic troubleshooting which didn't work. They said I could drop it off and get it fixed and receive a loaner phone, or they could send me a refurbished phone. I didn't want to wait 2-3 weeks so took the RMA. Was pretty painless other than the time it took to go through a process I knew wasn't going to work.
[G4 General] VTech1855:
Okay, let's get all my ducks in a row before attempting a rollback:

1) I am currently using a H812 from Rogers and would like to go back to Lollipop; so I should use the KDZ listed as: "H81210H - Jok3r10 Give them a Thanks!" in the op?

2) The rollback guide you people are referring to is this one (http://xdaforums.com/g4/help/lgup-install-kdz-mm-lp-t3249803)? The OP there mentions editing a .prop file and the text they add has H815 in it.

3) Using that guide do I need to modify any files or do I just jump to "TO GO BACK TO LP FROM MM"?
[G4 General] Usraek:
I bought a G4 in July. After a series of returns (I'm not sure it was phone problem) and having setup/root/tweak fatigue of having to do it all over again and again (in addition to all my other devices which I had to replace around same time due to a burglary) I ran stock for a period of 3 months. When I first rooted, I did it ASAP so I had no experience with it, now that I have this under my belt I can safely say that this phone's UI is absolutely god-awful without the customisation that comes with root.

I have now re-rooted my phone, and tweaked to heart's content, and I must say this phone right now is the best phone I've ever owned and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Running stock for that long really makes me appreciate it more as well.

If there is no root on Marshmallow then I'm simply not interested in any further updates. The features aren't really anything to get excited for, and plenty of things are taken care of already with root (volume, brightness, 'doze', permissions, etc).... and screw six-tap knocks.

So, Bon Voyage XDA. I'll be checking periodically for the oft-dreamt bootloader unlock, but I'm not holding my breath.

Cheers :D
[G4 General] bitemark01:
1) Yup! That's exactly what I used! It's a .rar file that you'll have to unzip to end up with a .kdz file. Winrar or 7-zip will do the job.

2) That is the guide; I'm not sure what part you're talking about, I just used these instructions:

The only thing I would add to this is it looks for .tot files by default; you're going to have to search for *.* (or *.kdz to be more accurate) in the folder you unzipped the .kdz file to. I don't know what closing and re-opening it does, but I did it just the same. Whole thing took about 15 minutes I think? I can't be precise but inside of a half hour I'm sure.

Best of luck! Hopefully you still get the option to OTA update to H81210n. I haven't pushed mine through yet, but I downloaded it to see if I could find the file somewhere (it's 87.5megs), but no dice so far. I'm guessing it's in a folder I'd need root to see, and I don't want to root this device.

Let us know how it goes!