[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
That's not even close to what I said. But arguing with straw man positions that you make up is typical, when you have a position that doesn't really hold up on its own.

You're arguing that since the phone is not out, we cannot possibly make any reasonable conclusions about the fact that it has the 810 chipset in it. It's as if it is a blank slate and anything is possible. That position requires completely ignoring the entire very clear history of the 810. Not a single phone with the processor has not had to deal with its issues one way or another (though many have claimed to have "fixed" it, before coming out, being tested, and being proven otherwise). And we do already know that the chipset is v2.1, exactly the same as what already exists in previous phones. It's not new and different in any way.

I'm arguing that although we can't know exactly what Huawei and Google will have done in the 6P to mitigate the overheating design flaw in the 810, we do know that it will have the flaw and they will have to do something. So this will have some sort of effect on the performance of the 6P one way or another. That is actually a very modest statement, if you would allow even the tiniest bit of nuance into your thinking about this.

Further, I didn't say the phone would "suck" (or anything close to that) and if you paid any attention to my post and others above you would know that. I've said repeatedly it could be fine, for most people's purposes. But it's not going to be a magical new version of the 810 with no issue at all. People should lower their expecations and assume that if it doesn't have overheating issues, it will throttle and not have performance better than chipsets like the 808 and 805 and even 801. That could be totally fine. It's just not going to be some amazing step forward.

Your position is to ignore all information before you; refuse to think with even the slightest degree of complexity; bury your head in the sand about all past history of the 810; refuse to excercise any capacity for judgement about evidence that is staring you in the face; and declare anything is possible in the best of all possible worlds, like a true modern day Candide incapable of acknowledging what doesn't fit with a preconceived rosey view of the world.

So all I'm saying is people should lower their expecations a bit. The 810 could be fine. But if it is fine (as far as overheating goes), it's not going to have amazing CPU performance. It will be very good, but just more on a par with what's already been around for the last year.

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I'm pretty sure "liquid cooling" is just a fancy phrase for the same thing Sony did in the Z5, with liquid filled copper pipes that move heat away from the processor. There's a little bit of an explanation here: http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/2...mia-950-and-950xl-water-cooled-windows-phones.

It may be a good idea. So far their are only anecdotes of issues with the Z5 Compact (which we don't even know for sure that it has the copper pipes found in the main Z5). The Z5 itself has not really been thoroughly tested by a third party yet. So I think the jury is still out on the effectiveness of that solution.