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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Isus <3:
Okay, I will be completely honest here.

Even though this thread is Note 5 vs Nexus 6P I will tell you guys my experience with S6 vs Nexus 5

I've bought S6 4 months ago and it was amazing, camera top notch, design, speed..

Few days ago I decided to install Marshmallow 6.0 on my Nexus 5 which way laying in dust 4 months and when I installed 6.0 on it and started to play with it I realized how faster nexus 5 is even thought its older 3 years and s6 has way more faster CPU..

My point is, even if samsung phones have amazing hardware, that doesnt make any difference since software is utter ****.. Its just shameful that 3 year phone beats today flagship in terms of overall ui and app opening speed.

Nexus 6P has even better hardware and camera is almost the same plus battery is amazing so I dont see point of buying Note 5 over Nexus 6P..

I cant wait to sell my S6 and get nexus ^^
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pj1980:
Im switching from the note 5 to the nexus 6p. The specs are about the same. ive finally lost it with my note5 and had enough of phone manufacturers and carriers telling me when i can get a software update and not allowing me to root my phone (verizon).
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
I will enjoy my 6p also but people like you that never used a phone but still feel the right to judge are kinda weird. Tw has really been slimmed down, and that 1gb ram does hell lot of difference. Not to mention the exynos cpu that kills the 810 on the 6p.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Isus <3:
You clearly never owned S6/Note 5?

I have S6 and its even worse than old touchwiz.. Memory managment is so bad, I cant open 3 apps without it reloading in background and exynos 7420 is better yes, but the thing that software is so bad it makes it even slower than snapdragon 810 in terms of app opening, UI, etc..
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah people said literally the same thing when I was about to buy my Note 4: how much Touchwiz had improved and that it was as good as AOSP now and I got suckered in, LOL. Won't happen again

TW is horrible, on ALL phones out there. Sure, the day will come when CPU's are so fast that they can even handle that CPU hog called Touchwiz, but I really doubt that days is near. And even then, waiting 4-6 months on updates is just not for me. I usually have my phone for only a year so I want the best and newest system right away instead of half way through the life cycle of my device.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
[MENTION=457812]isus[/MENTION] I did not like the s6 either. Memory management sucked. I'm telling you note 5 is different animal. Anyways w.e lol I don't get any money from Samsung to advertise their crap. Usually don't even like their phones, but this note 5 is really nice phone.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A

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Take a 30 minutes break and go use a note 5 at the store. Then come back talk rubbish.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] warplane95:
Tried the S6 of my sister for 1h... touchwizz is horrible, i'll never go samsung again.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Nah I'll just get the 6p instead, with fast AOSP and fast updates. I hated having to wait 5 months on my Note 4 updates and wont be buying any Samsung phone again, ever. But thanks anyway. Enjoy your Note 5 and I hope you like lollipop cause you'll be on it quite some time to come :cool:
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] warplane95:
So rude hahahah.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Isus <3:
I've had seen videos and reviews about note 5 and it also has same memory managment issues.. I also had note 5 firmware on s6 and its still ****
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
I will until my 6p gets here. Enjoy your 2002 nokia until your 6p gets here ;)

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbdudek:
I think the "penis measuring" in this thread is pretty telling. I get it. This is a Nexus 6p forum. At the same time, we have people that are jumping the shark in this thread instead of discussing the facts.

I think its established by now that if you need root and/or bootloader access, the Nexus 6p is going to be your device. I had a Nexus 6 and when it comes to manually updating to the latest version of Android and achieving root, it was awesome. At the same time, I hated the fact that carrier updates I had to unroot, apply, and reroot again. It was annoying, but thats the price you pay for a unlocked and rooted phone I guess.

That being said, I have a Note 5 right now, and after using it since release, I can tell you that it is a solid phone. Do I miss root access? A little bit, but the only thing I was doing was unlocking the wireless hotspot and installing root apps like titanium pro. I have Foxfi and it works great on the Note 5. The speed of this phone is incredible. Apps work flawlessly and I don't have any issues with random reboots. Plus, I get wireless charging which is also a nice feature.

When the 6p was announced, I thought about ordering, but at the same time its tough to justify over what I am already getting with the Note 5. If I absolutely needed root and bootloader access, that would be a different story. I just don't need these things.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dawheat:
Why do people take a phone choice so personally? This is absolutely true - if you want stock and/or fast updates, get a Nexus. Samsung will always be about 4-6 months after the fact, just like most other OEMs. Now whether that really makes a huge difference is up to you. The biggest pro of Android is choice - I'd think it'd be a shame if all phones only had stock Android (though certainly OEMs can and should improve update speed).

The Note 5 has some meaningful advantages - it's much more compact and seems to have a better camera . Otherwise they seem to trade blows - better screen vs. metallic build; wireless charging vs. USB-C; S-pen vs. fast updates; etc. Battery life on the 6P with 6.0 seems in the same ballpark as the Note 5 on 5.1.1. And with the hardware fuse, even the Nexus line seems to be pulling back in some areas.

You can hardly go wrong with either phone and again I prefer that people actually have 2 excellent choices vs. turning in Apple one day where there is only 1 choice a year.

I do think it's fair to say that no other Android phablet competes against these 2 phones this year.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
We all care about phones, otherwise we wouldnt be on XDA. But I think the main reason why some reactions towards Samsung can be strong is that it's just pure hate. I hate Samsung. I could call it 'dislike', but that wording wouldnt be strong enough. Why I hate Samsung ?

* Their update policy: "We won't update or we'll update after 4-6 months. Don't like it ? Deal with it"

* The way that they seem to hate the open source community (xda), cause they're doing their best to keep things as closed as possible. AOSP on the S6 or Note 5 will NEVER happen because Samsung doesnt release the 64 bit code. Just check the S6 development forum, it's a joke compared to other forums.

* The way they keep pushing Touchwiz through people throats. Sure, the latest generation Touchwiz is not so bad as it was uptil last year. But still, most people hate it.

* The way they keep pushing bloatware through people throats. Again, they've cut a bit down on this in the latest generation but still, it's horrible.

Now, uptil the Nexus 6P there wasnt a phone that stood up to Samsung hardware power. But now there is ! Sure, the Note 5's cam is slightly better but I highly doubt people will notice much difference. My Note 4 makes really beautiful pictures and the Nexus 6P cam is even better. I'm sure the Note 5 will score higher in benchmarks, but the Nexus 6P is fast too, who cares about benchmark, in real life you wont notice a difference (if anything the Nexus 6P will be more fluid/responsive due to AOSP).

I'm just hoping Google will hit Samsung hard this time and that Samsung's sales will drop even further now. I think they'll do. I'm not alone. Look at the Note 4, people liked it in the beginning but when every other phone out there was receiving lollipop and the Note 4 still was on Kitkat, this started to turn quite fast and most forums were filled with hatred towards Samsung.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I was on the fence between both devices but im going to keep my Note 5. At the end of the day they are both fantastic devices but i love my note 5 way too much and i dont wanna have regrets. My note is the international unlocked version which has the bootloader unlocked and will get updates before the carrier branded notes. If i had a carrier note then i would jump on the nexus.

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How old are you?

Touchwiz on the note 5 flies. But i guess you know better than me since you dont own the phone and i actually do.

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Exactly. You have folks who never used the note 5 thinking they know the phone better than someone who actually own the device. But this is xda forum, we are speaking to ppl in different age group so some of them may have not hit puberty yet.

Its a nexus forum so the majority here will be in favor of the nexus. But in order to really have a nice comparison you just got ignore the ignorants and focus on those who bring good points in the comparison like the guy who currently has both the 6p and note 5 in hand in this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3228798
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Or in other words, what are those Note 5 owners even doing here ? Do you see us post on the Note 5 forum on how good the Nexus 6p is ? I don't care if you bought a Note 5, enjoy it. But I'm a bit surprised some owners really go out of their way and post how great their phone is on a Nexus 6p forum.... It's like they're not 100% happy with their phone (which I can understand) and keep an eye on the Nexus 6p maybe ? Or are some people working for Samsung maybe ? I wouldnt be surprised, they have to do something to keep people from running away
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
[MENTION=3296134]gekkehenkie11[/MENTION] Well the nexus 6p is the next big android release. Its normal that you see some users like myself from many different devices who come here and have interest in the device and wanna discuss it and see how it compares to their device. But i find it funny that you interpret it the way it makes you feel good like "note owners running away from their device" what exactly are you trying to prove here? If i want a nexus 6p, ill get it regardless of how you may feel. If you think it gives you a "win" of any kind then please enjoy it, youre the champ in here But in reality it means nothing. If the nexus would have come out first and the note would have been the one coming out then i would have been in the note forum. But touchwiz sucks right?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
At least you've got that right.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I figured that would make you feel good.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Touchwiz never makes me feel good. I hate it with a passion.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I hear you. But i wouldnt recommend looking at it emotionally (hate, passion) but more objectively.

And why cant i quote ppl? Is the xda app messing up or is it touchwiz just showing its true colors?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Won't be druv:
I've had that problem with quotes all day. Funny thing is, if you look on a webpage the quote is there, however on Tapatalk it isn't.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Its weird. For me it doesnt show on the web page either.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luciferiusXI:
geekkehenkie what is so bad about touchwiz? I am trying to hate it too but so far am failing really bad.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Try to have more than 5 apps open and see what happens. That's touchwiz memory management closing down apps for ya, like it ? And there's NOTHING you can do about it. No source code released, so no development possible. Maybe they'll fix it when you get Android M in april. Or maybe not.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luciferiusXI:
I am positive it only happens with google applications because I have redraws only on youtube and playstore. The rest of the applications have no redraws. Also never have redraws on the 6 most recent applications used and to be honest I think it is better that way because what for do I still need an application opened 5 hours ago to still be running in the background and drain battery? Even the Google doze feature that is being advertised so much on Android M, got the inspiration from Samsung's way of managining memory. That is how Android M hibernates the phone by putting those applications to sleep. Once you wake up the phone, everything pretty much starts from scratch.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
If you dont have problems with Touchwiz agressive RAM management, if you dont think touchwiz is ugly, if you dont experience slowness, if you dont mind the 'bloatware' samsung included for you and if you dont mind to wait 4-6 months on updates, then congratulations sir, you've bought the right phone !
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Smh
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maknora:
I have the Galaxy s6 edge plus and I too think TouchWiz has come a long way. It's so fast and smooth now. And not as ugly to look at. I have t-mobile and so there isn't too much bloat ware either. And by no means do I ever think this phone is slow. Its not the old TouchWiz I used to know.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Exactly, touchwiz is pretty damn fast now. Nothing better than users review [emoji1]
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
Every generation touchwiz becomes faster. Simply because the phone's CPU become faster. That's why they run that CPU hog called Touchwiz better every year. However my Note 4 Snapdragon, which has way less CPU power, running CM12.1 still beats your Note 5 when it comes to responsiveness. Dont believe me ?

Watch your Note 5 scrolling youtube and recent tab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33pqdsdEqqc

Watch my Note 4 Snapdragon AOSP running youtube and recent tab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to0s4Eg5Mig

It's not 100% fluent neither, BUT it's (much) better, especially the recent tab scrolling is a huge difference.

That's how touchwiz ruins beautiful harware.

*EDIT* Oh and here's a teaser, my Note 4 running Android Marshmellow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMFGahR-Nr8&feature=youtu.be

It's even more fluent ! :) Maybe your Note 5 will also be a bit more fluent when Samsung releases Android M in march 2016 ! ;)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slash8915:
I'd have considered going to the Note 5 if Verizon and Samsung weren't so bad about locking their bootloaders and Knox. I LOVED my rooted/ROMed Note 4 on T-mobile. So much, that instead of selling it, I gave it to my girlfriend. The only reason I went to Verizon is because my company gets a huge discount on the service, and their coverage is really good. Not being able to root or mod my LG G4 is honestly the main reason I'm interested in either the Moto X Pure or Nexus 6P. Not to mention Verizon has god-awful bloatware on their phones. It really makes me resent using them.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechBSwift:
I just sold my Note 5 and it was an easy decision, here's why:

1. Tired of the slow updates from carrier, my note edge took 6+ months to update.

2. Tired of the amount of bloatware items carriers put on phones.

3. Tired of the features removed by carriers just because with no good rhyme or reason.

4. Tired of not having the right to root if I choose because certain carriers lock their bootloaders.

5 Most importantly, my phone will work with all carriers in the U.S, therefore I have the luxury of going to using any carrier and my phone will work.

As you see from the examples above this war is becoming less about phone vs phone, and more about which phone can avoid the most bs controlled by the cell carriers.

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See my post under yours... I just sold my Note 5 Verizon last week for the same concerns you have. I had a note edge for a year and it never got rooted. Switch to the s6 edge verizon and had root and fell in love again. Got the note 5 and no more root, then I made the decision never again will I buy a carrier locked down phone.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbdudek:
I have a Note 5 but I have been on the fence about getting a Nexus 6p. Why am I here? Because I too want to read what the 6p has to offer. I don't see anyone who has a Note 5 insulting others in this thread. Its merely a comparison, and that is where the **** measuring comes into play. I believe that I (as well as others) have been pretty forthcoming about their experience with the Note 5. Heck, even I can say there is no clear winner at this point. I already did a quick comparison between the two earlier in this thread.

To call out people who have the Note 5 as "corporate Samsung shills" really offers nothing to the overall conversation. Both of these great phones have advantages and disadvantages. There is no real clear winner IMHO. It just depends on what you want.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekkehenkie11:
That's true. If some theoretical benchmark number makes you feel good, you should go for the Note 5. But if you want a fluent and responsive interface, even the Note 4 running AOSP kills the Note 5, like I've just shown in the video's. But of course, it depends on what you want.

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Anyway I tend to get carried a way a bit in discussions like this. It's just because I hate Touchwiz so deeply. Just look at how it ruins the beautiful hardware the Note 5 has, scrolling through the recent tabs is so stuttering while it houses so much CPU power. It's just so sad. So, I'm not here to disrespect anybody but when people actually start defending that horrible horrible CPU hog called Touchwiz, I do tend to get carried away a bit too far, my apologies :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ungraph:
The Note 5 is a better phone than the Nexus 6P. That is a fact.

The sole reason people side with the Nexus 6P is purely due to it being stock Android. To me, that's better than any spec.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbdudek:
Its all good. The key is to be respectful. Posting those videos were eye opening for sure.

The Note 5 is plenty responsive running Touchwiz. I choose to break it down a bit further like this.

Note 5 advantages: Wireless charging, high build quality, great camera

Note 5 disadvantages: Lack of root, no stock android option

Nexus 6p advantages: Root, stock android option

Nexus 6p disadvantages: No wireless charging

So do I want to sacrifice wireless charging for root? Right now, I don't think so.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ExcuseTheN00b:
I am with Verizon and purchased the Nexus 6 from them earlier this year. I switched to the Verizon Note 5 about a week ago and everything seemed fine up until last night when it would randomly freeze on an app like xda. Only would have 2 or 3 apps open at a time like email and Reddit. Then the s-pen would not work correctly when I would remove it from the phone. Restarted the phone and everything worked fine until today when it started doing the same things but with different apps opened. These issues will most likely be solved with an update. I have 6p on preorder still and will be using that as my personal phone on Fi and the Note 5 as my work phone. With my experience going from stock android to touchwiz is that even though there was a serious upgrade to touchwiz since I used it last (Note 2), pure Android still seems like it will always be faster without skins on top of it. Root is not as important for me anymore because of the optimization Android has done to the OS and wireless charging is a really nice feature but not a deal breaker. The camera on the Note 5 is amazing and so far the 6p camera looks good too. The thing I am most impressed with so far on the Note 5 is battery life. Even tho it is a smaller battery than the Note 4 it last me all day and I hope the 6p does the same.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Evo_Shift:
Note 5 is smaller and better specs. The only reason to go with the nexus would be software and price.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlosAbia:
Am I the only one who thinks the front facing camera on the Note5 is bad? I travel and use it a lot and I've never seen it crisp or very good at all. Also RAM management on TouchWiz is a mess, so 3 GB on the Nexus is more than 4 on the Note5, without that heavy TouchWiz and bloatware.

The Note has "better" specs, but at the end of the day the Nexus will be snappier because of vanilla android. I can't see a reason why to chose a note over a Nexus, honestly.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ExcuseTheN00b:
Yea front camera isn't as good as I think it could be but the rear camera is the best I have seen so far. Touchwiz can be snappy when it wants to but like I mentioned, I have been having issues with freezing which I believe is due to Touchwiz/Ram Management. Maybe some updates can solve that issue. Never had issues on the Nexus 6 with freezing. Still looking forward to the 6p arriving.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I respect that ungraph
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luciferiusXI:
The front facing camera is not good and phone freezes... this is turning into a circus now. Anyways to all those that keep making the fast updates argument, go check out android M on the G4. It got here before some nexus 6 users could get their OTA ?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malek777:
I'm also in the same boat. I currently have the s6 edge plus and I'm debating whether to move to the nexus 6p. Both are really good. I'm Not having any lag with the s6 at the same time the updates are pretty slow for a fact. My note 4 took 6 months to get updated.

I can't say marshmallow is a major update, it really doesn't bring much to the table, it's more like a 5.2 lollipop. Tap on is half baked and useless at the moment and permissions is a good feature but again nothing to dwell over. And finally Doze, which is great for standby.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
My S6 Edge has a doze type feature baked into its latest Lollipop rom anyway. Works as good as Doze.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
Which feature is that? I had a Note5 and there is no such feature, unless you're talking about the power saving mode which limits functionality.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anglerstock:
New LP update pushed that battery optimization feature like the one in Android M.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
The update optimized the battery usage, but its not a doze like feature. Pretty much all OS updates come out have battery optimizations listed in the change log
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anglerstock:
It is what he and I already said. Go check it out.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
There is a doze like feature, it's in smart manager IIRC it puts the apps in hibernation after a certain period of time, just like doze. If you look at the battery stats, idle drain is down at around 1-3%, very similar to the 6P.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] umbrokhan:
in my opinion Galaxy S6 edge+ Plus is the best phone. touchwiz is not that slow. am not sure about Note 5. in UK there is no Note 5.