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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SymbioticGenius:
I was struggling until about 3 minutes ago when I ordered a 128GB graphite 6P. I'm honestly still not convinced I actually need to upgrade from my current Nexus 6. Heck I was even going to hold out hope that there might be a DROID with a fat battery and unlockable bootloaders. I love Motorola and their signal is amazing and I'm hoping this is comparable. This will be my 3rd Nexus and my current one is my 4th Motorola. Neither have done me wrong so far. I wish it had a wireless charger but I guess turbo charging is making that obsolete and I have to accept it. Ultimately I said screw it and ordered one. But I used the amex just in case lol.

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
You have to see what type of amoled they put on this. Nexus 6 had amoled but it was crappy amoled.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Big Cam:
That's a good point for sure, I just generally feel like most AMOLED's now a days are brighter and crisper than an LCD, plus they are easier on the battery.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
From my experience, only amoleds used on samsung flagships are the best. When other manufacturers use amoled, samsung never gives them the top of the line amoled, that's why I believe is best for other manufacturers to go with lcd. Hopefully this amoled is power efficient and has good colors/angels etc.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lemon07r:
I think the nexus 5x would be a better comparison.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AstroDigital:
Big con for the Moto X Pure(Style), for me is they do not sell it in Canada.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
I was on the fence between Moto X Pure, iPhone 6s Plus and Nexus 6p.

Moto X Pure lacks accessories. Almost nothing projected from major case manufacturers.

iPhone 6s Plus on IOS9 has no jailbreak, which means no tethering for me since I have Verizon Unlimited.

Nexus 6p like the iPhone gets dinged for no removable storage, but offer 128GB, which I can live with.

I bought a graphite Nexus 6p.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Big Cam:
Well, I chose these 2 phones since they are the same size screen and very close specs , the 5x is lower in almost every category, so that's not a good comparison in my .
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lemon07r:
Care to enlighten me? I don't see how it is "lower" in almost "every category".
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Big Cam:
Less ram

Smaller screen size

Smaller battery

Less in available storages sizes

Smaller screen resolution

The 6P and moto x are more alike than the moto x and 5x.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesparky007:
No fingerprint scanner on the motox right?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NoFear1183:
I already own a 64gb, black leather, red accented Moto X Pure, so I'm now debating on selling it and buying the Nexus 6P. Biggest reason why, development on XDA. I'm worried the 6p will over shadow the MXP and fewer developers will put time into releasing roms/mods for the MXP.

I'd love to hear feedback from those that do create roms and extra features for devices. I have no other complaints for the MXP, just fear of its support dying very early.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ulver:
I had the MXP, but returned it a few days ago. I just wasn't impressed. I'm glad I did, now that I ordered a graphite Nexus 6P.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
What do you refer to when you say development? Have you seen nexus 6 forums? Nothing special going on there.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NoFear1183:
Nexus 6P. Not last year's nexus.

Nothing special there yet, phone was just announced. The phone already has toolkit though.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
I am saying there is lots of hype for development on nexus devices, but since nexus 4, there hasn't been much going on. The days when Paranoid Android team was developing and Moles was with them used to be great. From what I recall a few other teams developed last year, but they didn't bring nothing new.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
My pure is going back to Motorola. Plenty of complaints to read on their forums. OPO until my big P comes in.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toyanucci:
I like the XPE but in returning mine as well. The only minus to the 6P is the sd slot and some of the moto features but I gain amoled (which is important to me coming from a note 3), bigger battery, fingerprint scanner and notification led! Also price wise isn't much difference when configured similarly. My XPE with 32gb and wood back was $503 shipped. The 64gb 6P was $583, what I get for the price difference is worth it in my book.

The XPE is a good phone but it's just not the phone for me. As someone else said, the development for the 6p will be huge in comparison to the Motorola. Spigen isn't making any cases for the XPE and neither are many accessory makers. I think the 6P will get all the love I'd hoped the Motorola would get so back it goes!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidguy22:
Avoid Moto, their customer service sucks, it's awful experience dealing with them..
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dweet:
This.. moto reps don't know anything and getting a point across ha, good luck.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nelsomnio:
Moxo X Features on Nexus 6P?

What about the "Moto Voice" feature? (the "hey moto x" wake up low battery usage thing) I really love this function!, anyone know if the Nexus 6P will have something similar?, oh... and the "off-screen" notifications too!

please please please :(
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SymbioticGenius:
The current Nexus has them in a somewhat different form, so I don't see why the new one won't.

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
Wait, what? I do agree that when PA first came around, certain things were pretty awesome, like PIE (I think they came up with that).

But to say that there isn't anything going on is an understatement. There are plenty of teams still out there which provide great ROM's that add to the stability/performance of stock Android. Chroma/Slim/Dirty Unicorns probably being the largest teams.

I will admit that I miss the likes of Vanir/Carbon/PA/Morfic.

I think we're reaching a plateau regarding development on these phones; what else is there to do? With the power of the processors and amount of memory, there aren't many "tweaks" that are really boosting performance anymore.

With that said, there are still some key things which developers are improving:

-Sound quality/loudness.

-Navigation bar height adjustment/customization.

-Scrolling Cache.

-Hardware button customization.

These settings should be native to the Nexus devices, if not anything else.

I'm done with my little rant.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PaoloMix09:
Vanir... even on the OPO thing flew and got me 8 SOTD. I might try and get 6P soon, was disappointed with the Nexus 5X in every way.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
If the Nexus 5X came out BEFORE the Moto Nexus 6, or congruent with it, then I might want to pick up the 5X. But for now it's too little too late.

Then again, if the 5X had a QHD screen, I'd probably be picking that up.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spike96:
Moto X Pure or Nexus 6P?

Help me out guys, I've been struggling with this question for a while. I have a Moto X Pure at my house, but won't get to it until October 10 as I am at college right now.

Although the Nexus 6P beats the Moto X Pure in almost every specification, the differences are very minimal and can easily be overlooked by any regular user. But we're not regular users are we?

What has made this such a hard decision for me is the fact that I've customized my Moto X Pure, and I do like the design a lot better.

However, what does attract me to the Nexus 6P is the bigger battery, better development, and the fingerprint sensor. Not sure all of this is worth an extra $200, however. (I say $200 because I got the MXP [w/ SD card] for $450, but need 128 GB Nexus 6P which is $650]

Thoughts? I understand entirely that this is opinion based but I am asking you to sway me.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] razor237:
Really i think only you can answer that ...... how bad do you want custom roms and such. is security an issue for you that makes the finger print scanner a need, i for one haven't bothered with it in any phone that had it, never seemed to work right once i put a case on it. do you have an extra $200 i mean that could be a few books or case and books ;)

The moto x pure is a nice phone seems fast and not too laggy to me, having a SD card is nice for that extra bump in space when you decide you need more. i like the display nice and bright outside. Im getting the 64GB N6P should have gone 128 i think dont know why oh why they wont put a SD card back in the nexus its kinda stupid. If the Display is like the N6 ill be sending it back
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
I sent back my Moto Pure. I really wasn't that impressed with it. Battery life was pretty poor without turning off just about everything and under clocking the GPU. Development will likely be almost non existent for that device. You also see quite a few complaints about micro lag doing different things and I certainly saw it as well with my unit. No telling how fast the gutted Moto, err Leno, will get updates out.

I wouldn't say it's a bad device. I just wouldn't upgrade to that from my OnePlus One. Had they gone with a 1080p LCD so the gpu didn't suck so much juice trying to send math to the display it might of helped a lot with heat and battery life. Not too mention release a couple of months ago so they didn't compete with the neuxs. I think they'd of done a little better. As it stands there is no comparison between the two devices. Its also not fair to compare 128gb of on board to 32gb on on board, SD is nice but its not nearly the same thing as unified memory.

I have no regrets whatsoever packing it up and sending it back to Moto. Hope that helps you in some way.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] razor237:
yeah i agree about the micro lag, wasnt bad but was there ... battery life i didnt find to be that bad for me at least, seemed to be the same as my N6 and note 4 for me
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orcsbane13:
This guy sums it up nicely. I sent back mine and my wife's moto xp. They were horrible on battery life and lag. I was disappointed. I really wanted to like that phone. I also had massive scratches on my screen after only 2 days. My 2013 moto x has no scratches on the screen and I've never used a screen protector.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sdelcegno:
I had the pure I returned it. Battery life wasn't great. Ear piece call volume sucked. Also ran very very hot. It's a decent phone but nothing wowed me on it.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shadymouse:
Same sentiment I had as well, It didn't wow me whatsoever. I came from the OPO and it did not feel better in any way, including build quality. I think I mentioned in the Moto X forum that the Leather they used this time around felt bland. I did not like the texture at all. It may be good for a Handbag as they suggested but it is not ideal for sitting in your hand all day. I experienced some micro lagging too and I was surprised considering how Moto built it's reputation on near Stock and smoothness experience.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Big Cam:
Be sure to search, before making new threads, this whole forum is only like a week old.

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/help/nexus-6p-vs-moto-x-pure-t3213892
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] con100:
I'm returning my Pure for the 6P. The battery life is horrid. I run stock and I barely get 3 hours of sot over 10 hours or less.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Big Cam:
Dang, thanks for confirming my decision, on paper that Moto X looks like the near perfect phone, I'm happy I'm not missing out.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tranemonk33:
This is a great discussion... I have two Moto X Pure Editions in the "device being built" stage. I'm actually hoping Motorola increases their delays as ideally I'd like to have BOTH the Moto X PE and the Nexus 6P in my hand to physically compare one against the other (during their respective return windows). For example even though both have front facing stereo speakers I want to hear which one sounds better. I would also like to compare the physical size and weight.

I'm leaning toward keeping the Nexus and shipping back the Motos. The 128GB on the 6P was very attractive, along with the report that P6 camera was slightly better than Moto's. I'm really hoping that Google ships these much sooner than Nov!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krazyq:
I have the Moto X Pure...for now

Pros:

A little bit smaller in size

Moto Maker so you can customize the device to your liking which is cool

Moto X Display Notification, it's really amazing how quick it is to unlock your phone and access your notifications.

Moto X Apps

Cons:

Battery Life and

Camera
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrunkFuX666:
I think another important point to consider as a Con of the Moto is the fact that Since Motorola's acquisition by Lenovo, its been seen that they have gotten very sluggish with their updates.

I'm sure most of you have seen that they have already dropped further development for the newest Moto E. Which many are not happy about along with delayed updates for previous moto X versions.

In light of this slow downfall of the Reputation which Google was quick to make for Moto, its bit too risky now on the software development side to buy something which may lose official support within 18 months.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monkfish_lad:
I returned my Moto X Pure / Style 2015. A decent effort but just wasn't the update to the 2014 X that I had expected.

The Good:

The Screen - It is a good effort by Moto. The 2k LCD does a good job and can go extremely bright and extremely dim for all situations.

Moto Maker - The leather back I ordered felt great.

SD Card - Can't beat being able to add a 128gb card to the phone for some extra storage.

The Bad:

Poor build quality - The volume and power buttons were loose to the point of making a noise every time you moved the phone. Overall the phone felt like a big step down in build quality over the 2014 Moto X.

Poor Battery - Was struggling to get through a day with ~2.5 SOT

Poor Speakers - The speakers cracked and popped anywhere near full volume

Vibration Motor - Weakest vibration I have had on any phone. I didn't think it would matter to me very much but I found it really annoying.

I feel as if lots of corners were cut with the Moto X. In the UK the cost of the 6p is a very similar price to the Moto X so it is a no brainer for me to go for the 6P.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spike96:
How do you guys feel about the cameras between the two?

Obviously, both Google and Motorola stepped up their game on photography, to the point where both are considered among the top 5 of all cameras in smartphones.

Which do you think is better? Nexus 6P looks like it may be better in low light, but Moto X Pure has 23 MP, giving it the ability to take more detailed shots. So which is the better camera overall?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] makoto_ai:
I agree with the other moto x users, mine is going back. I had asked them to send out a replacement because I had a defective screen, but after delays and contemplation I pre-ordered nexus 6p. Micro lag, speaker crackles, bad light bleed, and other basic stuff :/
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cougzzz:
Had the mxpe as well. If it wasn't for the battery life, I would have kept it. The screen was excellent imo. I did notice the micro lags and may be a result of the processor not being able to handle the screen size and resolution.

Now onto the nexus 6p.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
The Pure's camera pretty much sucks in anything not perfect lighting. Can you get a decent shot sometimes? Sure. But when it comes to indoor lighting or less than perfect lighting and especially if you add motion to that the camera is pretty terrible actually.

I don't know if the big P's camera will be better. The rest of the package is and I doubt it will perform worse camera wise.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tek Wizard:
I'm leaning more towards 6P vs MXPE, after viewing vids and MXPE owners comments. However, I wish that they made the body of 6P smaller. I mean the current Nexus 6 and 6P are almost the same size, but 6P has a .3 inch smaller display. They should've really shrunk the top and bottom bezels a bit (size of MXPE).
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 640k:
here's my contribution/cross post. i was waiting to pull the trigger on the XPE for the longest time and something kept holding me back. then, for some reason, the 6P just rang with me. Even though my shopping cart was nearly $200 more than what I would have spent with Moto, i think this will be the phone to beat for the next 18 months.

6P: 159.3 x 77.8 x 7.3 mm vs. XPE: 153.9 x 76.2 x (Curve: 6.1 to 11.06) mm.

The XPE is only shorter by 6mm which = >1/4". distribute that top to bottom (the phone in your hand) and you're barely going to notice the difference. additionally the XPE is only 1mm narrower. However, the 6P is almost as thin as the XPE is at its thinnest point, which means the 6P is thinner.

the 6P also has a significantly larger battery, weighs 4g less, and has Samsung's latest AMOLED vs. Moto's IPS panel. Another benefit is the 6P has the newest Corning Gorilla Glass 4 vs. the 3 on the XPE.

the 6p also has BT 4.2 vs. 4.1 on the XPE.

i thought at first i would miss Moto's ambient display and integration with the phone, but since updating to 5.1, i'm not sure those are even relevant any longer.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thwip:
Can you, or someone else, explain how the low power "Moto Voice wake up-like" feature works on a Nexus? I assume it uses "Okay Google" but don't know how it is set up - I tried searching for a PDF manual but no luck. Also does it work well?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krazyq:
yup

I wanted a good camera and battery and the Moto X Pure sucks in both departments.

Sure it's an upgrade from last years Moto X however I hate the camera app. Almost every picture feels like there's noise. The OPO had a better camera imo.

Phone companies need to stop adding more MP.

LG G4 has the best camera imo so far, probably the S6 too however I haven't gotten a chance to test that.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 640k:
it's OK Google. for a while, us '13 owners had conflicts between the native Google listener and Moto's Voice input. they've since corrected it, but there was a time where while the phone was on, you'd say "OK Google" and when it was off, you'd say "OK Google Now".

the new Nexus devices will have the always-on low-power listening mode just like the Motos do. They took that page from the 6. also, people say the ambient display isn't a complete replacement for Moto's version, but its a close second. and there are third party products you can use anyway.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geordie Affy:
Great little comparison. Thanks.

Yeah was soo excited about the Moto X but fortunatly couldnt buy it anywhere in the UK until after 6P was announced. And now the Moto X just doesnt seem worth it tbh. Will see what reviews say about the 6P I really hope its good.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paullu:
I just owned mxp too but my speaker perfect i feel even better than m8 i owned it before. And battery is ok for but I decide return mine go for 6p because i like fingerprint and bigger battery. But no sd card slot WTF
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spike96:
I want to believe you, so I can just make up my mind and buy the 6P already.

But then I see pictures like this...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63146836&postcount=195

or this

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63167188&postcount=205

The fact that these were taken from a Moto X Pure, or any smartphone for that matter, blows my mind.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Nexus 6P has a better camera.

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jackdubl:
It's starting to sound like Google did get those Moto apps when they bought Motorola. Motorola just announced their discontinuing some of their apps(like Assist) because they will be redundant with stock Android M. I thought Moto Assist was the coolest thing.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 640k:
Wait, really?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jackdubl:
Well, now that I look at it again, Assist is the main one. But ambient display, always listening, now Assist. Maybe Lenovo is just deciding to be done with these. Who knows why. But Assist was a great function.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Is just Lenovo cutting jobs and departments so no more funding for the teams that used to work on these features/apps.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spike96:
DXOmark rated it only one point better, but that's not even the point. You can't rely on one website to tell you which camera is better. It's a combination of things, but one of the most important factors is reviewing the pictures of each device for yourself and deciding for yourself which pictures you think come out better. Have you seen the MXP's pictures from the links I posted?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63146836&postcount=195

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63167188&postcount=205

Tell me these aren't impressive... especially the second one.

I'm still blown away. None of the 6P's samples (that were taken by Google BTW) come close to this kind of detail and color.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toyanucci:
DXOmark is one site but it's the premiere site for camera reviews and their marks are highly regarded. They review dslr's, mirrorless and all manner of camera equipment so while I get the gist of what you're saying I wouldn't completely disregard their rating. Also, they graded the 6P higher than the Motorola XPE but that doesn't mean the XPE isn't good too and capable of taking great photographs.

We haven't had any time with the 6P to compare it to the XPE so I'll probably take the word of someone who has had time with both...DXOmark.

Also, I'm an hobbyists photographer (you can check out my Flickr here) and those photos you linked to have been post processed, some heavily. That's not how the pictures come out of the camera.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spike96:
I agree DXOmark is reputable and I don't disregard their review. I just wish there were more reviews on other websites at this point, so we wouldn't have to trust one website.

And yes, I wasn't sure but I also agree with you that the second link's pictures seemed post processed. Still, the first link's pcitures are not modified and are equally impressive.

We definitely do not have enough pictures or reviews from the 6P to say it is definitively better than the MXP, though.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buggerritt:
Here's a photo of my 2 day old daughter, taken with my moto x pure:

Bangin' on my unlocked/rooted

Moto X Pure
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geordie Affy:
Congrats, she looks weel cute.

Before you know it, you'll be chasing her around the house lol. Kids grow up wayyyy too fast.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tranemonk33:
Great picture and congratulations. Enjoy this wonderful time!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigal77:
I've seen bad ones to.... Especially indoors or with movement.

I'm not a photographer, most of my pictures are not in perfect conditions.

And even then the differences between them will not be great..... But low light MPE is not a top 5 phone in any review I've read while the nexus 6p is surely a top 3