yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto Maxx General] koftheworld:
If it were as simple as just wanting software updates I would say no, but I am also a fan of giant batteries on phones. I will have to see what this year's nexus is like first before I make that call. I will not be buying a phone with a locked bootloader again though (Droid Turbo).
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
Absolutely not if they don't get their updates back to a timely release. I tried out the Moto X Pure Edition here in the states, and was completely turned off by the vibrate motor in that device. It was audibly LOUDER than it should have been and said eff that before 24 hours had elapsed. The Moto Maxx uses a similar angular vibration motor, rather than the Nexus 5's linear oscillation design, but its worlds better than the 2015 Moto X. Nope
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
Hahahaha. Never again am I buying a Motorola Device. The update times are absolutely ridiculous and stupid.
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
Absolutely will buy another Motorola. I've had every manufacturer's flagship phones and is between Motorola and HTC IMO.

Since 2009, I've seen EVERY OEM get bashed on XDA. I suppose people tend to think the grass is greener on the other side. The people at Sony, Samsung, HTC, and LG sections are also complaining about update times.

If updates are your main priority, I suggest getting a Nexus. But chances are, there will always be something to complain about with the majority of folks.
[Moto Maxx General] pancho2288:
Hi everyone,

I own a XT1250 for a couple of weeks now, can you tell me if there will updates for this device model, or should I install some custom ROM ??

Thank you..
[Moto Maxx General] AdrienC:
So true. At a certain point they always fall behind.

Outside of Nexus devices, the best option is to get a closer to stock android and a popular device that is selling very strong.

My Moto X Play got 6.0 pretty quick, and Moto X2 also.

Moto Maxx / Droid Turbo is a niche device, and with Motorola on Lenovo hands, we got screwed.

Moto X Force / Droid Turbo 2 probably will suffer the same fate in the future.

The good thing is that nowadays Android is more stable and it's possible to live on with a previous version with no impact on daily use.

I had to roll back to 5.0.2 on Maxx from 6 on Moto X Play and other than Doze and detailed battery use, the rest is pretty much the same.
[Moto Maxx General] Nitefire77:
Install a custom ROM.
[Moto Maxx General] razzorchile:
I have a question, custom roms are equal to the stock android experience? if I install a custom rom like RR or Cm13, the kernel who are using are from original MM roms or from LL roms and they adapt that kernel to the new software?
[Moto Maxx General] MelquiXDA:
Motorola official site news:

https://motorola-global-portal-pt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/110361
[Moto Maxx General] koftheworld:
https://plus.google.com/communities/115271320088535327250 24.61.61.en.br version 6.0.1
[Moto Maxx General] israelnobrega:
Oficial Marshmallow today!

Today, Motorola has announced MM for our beloved Moto Maxx!!

Link: https://motorola-global-portal-pt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/110361
[Moto Maxx General] renatohs:
This is the final version or soak test?
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
I think this is the final version.
[Moto Maxx General] israelnobrega:
Yes, it's the final version.:laugh:
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
I hope so as well! Can someone upload the firmware/IMAGE for this? I want to flash this ASAP!
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
Should be the final version since it's public. Motorola does an amazing job at keeping testing versions confidential.
[Moto Maxx General] renatohs:
Or the test was done by two people in the laboratory ...
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
Yep, because MFN has only two lab people.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
They seem to only have two people since it took them VERY LONG TIME! :rolleyes: They either have two people or two hundred lazy people.

They promised us this over 5 months ago. The Moto Nexus 6 and the Moto Quark have almost identical hardware. They could have given us Marshmallow one day, one week, even one month after Moto Nexus 6, and that would be fine. FIVE MONTHS? :rolleyes: At the time Marshmallow came out, the Quark was the most expensive, highest spec phone Motorola sold -- and is one of the LAST to receive Marshmallow. THAT is how they treat their "premium" customers.
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
The Moto X was always Motorola's flagship, premium phone, with the quark being the lesser device. That device, throughout the years, has always been up to par in updates.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
No, the Moto X was NOT the premium phone for the past year. The Quark had much higher specs (resolution, RAM, CPU, GPU, camera, battery, I can keep going) and cost a lot more.

See here: http://goo.gl/Colx44

The Quark was what the 2014 Moto X should have been. ;) And was basically the 5.2" version of the Nexus 6, which we know Google/Motorola was testing as late as mid-August 2014.

The 2014 Moto X was the lesser capable, cheaper more "mainstream" phone, for people who don't know better or don't care. For those people who don't know the difference in specs or can't afford the difference in price.

Motorola should treat the people who spend more money better than those who don't.
[Moto Maxx General] Bobboman:
motorola sees the moto x as their flagship phone, not the quark phones no matter how much better the specs are
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Notice I did not mention flagship phone. I was refuting your "premium" phone mention. Quark is much more premium. Moto treats their premium customers horribly. We should be the first, not the last.

Now to tear down your flagship theory... Moto G. It's not flagship nor premium and got Marshmallow before Quark.

Admit it. Moto slapped us in the face, several times.
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
Should Motorola have updated a device a few have versus their main selling phone? I have a quark so i see where your frustration is coming from, but you have to realize that Motorola's main priority IS the Moto X and has ALWAYS been since it's introduction.

In regards to which is premium, the X is a premium device as well as the quark. The Droid line which was introduced with the D1, was Motorola's flagship line but has died out over time and has lead to a refreshed line, hence the Moto line, with the Droid line still existing.

However, Motorola has shifted it's resources from the Droid line to the more profitable Moto line, which is what a company should do if it wants to stay above water.

Sone people are acting like Motorola had abandoned us, but the FACT is that they are supporting what funds their company the MOST first, the X.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
You seem to think Motorla only makes two phones -- the Moto X and the Quark.

You are ignoring they updated the Moto G and the Moto E before the Quark. Stop it with the Moto X crap.

First you said premium. Neither G nor E are premium.

Then you said flagship. Neither G nor E are flagship.

What is your excuse for the G? E?

I'm not talking about the X. I'm talking about how we are last in line after every other phone, even though we paid more money than any other Motorola phone.

Moto treated us badly. End of discussion, unless you want to keep living in denial. Doesn't take 5 months for a phone practically identical to Moto Nexus 6. Our phone would have been the easiest and should have been one of the first, if not the first -- not the last. And E should have been the very last.

Quarks ARE in the "profitable" Moto Line.

Let me educate you, as I see you don't have a clue what we are talking about. We are talking about premium phone the Motorola MOTO line. I have THREE XT1225 MOTO Maxx. ;) We are talking about the Moto Quarks. Only Verizon calls theirs "Droid", but it's is NOT exclusive in any way. Worldwide, and even in the U.S., Motorola sells them as the MOTO Maxx and MOTO Turbo.

Motorola does NOT make some exclusive device for Verizon called "Droid". Motorola makes world-wide Moto devices, like the Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo (both Quarks) and this year the Moto X Force (Kinzie), and lets Verizon slap the Droid label on them to make Verizon feel important. The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 -- sold in the U.S. by regional CDMA/LTE carriers is identical in every way -- including all CDMA/LTE bands -- to the Droid Turbo, including the FCC ID.

The successor to the Moto Quark is Moto Kinzie. Moto X Force is Kinzie, just like the "Droid Turbo 2" is Kinzie. Motorola makes Moto line-up phones and Verizon marketing dept slaps a Droid label on one or two and puts out lies they are "exclusive".

Even the "Turbo" name was not exclusive to the Droid Turbo. Theres' the sibling Quark XT1225 Moto Turbo, which has the same FCC ID as the XT1225 Moto Maxx.

So, you are saying the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (same device as the XT1254 Droid Turbo), the XT1225 MOTO Turbo and the XT1225 MOTO Maxx are not in the "Moto" line? :rolleyes: You are Verizon customer who obviously does not know about the phone industry.

As a final clue, you are posted this comment in the MOTO Maxx forum. ;)

The Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo Quark line (called Droid Turbo by Verizon) was the premium Motorola phone in the "Moto" line-up -- with same specs as the Moto Nexus 6 -- but is the last to receive Marshmallow, after every other low spec phone in the Motorola line-up, including the Moto G and Moto E.
[Moto Maxx General] Gambler_BE:
Hey Chazz chill out :D

You're right, the Quark is definitely the better more premium phone, but you have to understand what richii is saying. Even though the Quark is an amazing phone, it really isn't that popular, mainly because only Verizon sells it (and of course some markets where they sell the Maxx)

All three other phones you've mentioned, the X, G and E are cheaper, and because of that a lot more popular. There's a ton of people all over the world that buy them, thus it makes sense for Motorola to update them first, since it's a bigger userbase.

I'm not defending Motorola, and I'm not saying it's not an asshole move of them to make us wait this long. But you have to understand that's not Richii's fault, and that it's not going to help our case to get angry at another xda member :)
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
Chazz, I think the majority of us understand your point and agree. I certainly do and feel the same about Motorola kicking us to the curb in favor of their lesser-positioned devices in terms of updates. Oddly, what you perceive as importance from a customer perspective will not always line up with the business perspective. One thing to remember is that the Moto X and Moto G are marketed and so far have outsold all other Moto devices. As such, Motorola is going to update those phones first to keep sales going strong and give carriers more options to market those phones while they're still on display/being sold in that avenue.

Yea, it doesn't feel right, but the only cards we have to play are twitter and our wallets... Touchscreen digitizer tracking aside, I still feel like the Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo is a stupendous phone, and am still glad I bought it. The MM update will hopefully make it even better and keep me from eyeballing this year's device offerings =)
[Moto Maxx General] yvmexcl:
ok, boring conversation ...

the issue again, and have a copy of the rom?
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
I just manually flashed the Brazilian ROM to try and get the OTA or the OTA URL. We'll see. I'm in the states so I don't know how lucky I'm going to be in getting it... :(
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
If you read what you quoted, it'll actually answer half of your questions. Are you saying that Motorola made more money from the quarks than than the Moto G? Did the 2014 Moto G receive updates prior to the quark?

Just because you spend more money on a product doesn't entitle you to anything more than those who purchased other products.

In regards to the other half of your trademark copy-paste FCC ID, XT1250, and everything else in bold that is in almost every thread is irrelevant to our discussion. We got your point the first few times.

I am simply looking at this situation from a business aspect and not from an egocentric standpoint. Obviously I would like the update myself but there's more to it and what meets the eye. LOGICALLY , how does a business invest resources that exceed the product revenue to provide it's support?

Now I can sit here and rant about why updates are so slow for our device or I can come up with a rational explanation as to why it occurs.... I'm not speaking out of anger, frustration, or whatever else these update schedules are causing you. I am merely looking at the Motorola's OBJECTIVE situation and basically laying it out in words for you and others which are looking for explanations.

I am not displaying a condescending, Know-it-all attitude and attempting to "educate" you with by stating the elephant in the room.
[Moto Maxx General] mjames.abordo:
I am frustrated also with motorola, But its better late than never. Whats more frustrating is if our quark gets updated to Android M with bugs. I really hate lollipop, It has bugs. GPU performance is also terrible, andreno 420 should handle anything you throw at it. I use my phone to watch 3D VR movies and it's terrible. It is lagging like hell. I hope when android M comes Performance should improve. I don't know what motorola is thinking about this quarks.
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
I'm just pointing out your illogical statements.

Moto Maxx is more "premium" than Moto X. Way more premium than any phone of the 2014 Moto line-up.

Moto G and Moto E are not flagship. Therefore Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo deserved updates way before G and E.

And glad I could educate you that Moto Maxx is a "Moto" branded phone, which your post showed you didn't know. Otherwise you would not have tried to claim Motorola was focusing on "Moto" line-up phones instead of "Droid" phones. You acted like you have some exclusive phone, when it's just a rebranded Moto Maxx.

Anything else you would like to know about our phones?
[Moto Maxx General] Gambler_BE:
Can you act any more pretentious? -_-
[Moto Maxx General] ChazzMatt:
Sorry you don't like the tone. But when somebody posts illogical, contradictory statements and I refute them, then they double down, I have no patience for that kind of thinking.

I'm very happy to help people and you can see that in most of my posts.

But I had to argue about the whole XT1250=XT1254 thing before some people finally admitted I was right. I did EDUCATE the Droid Turbo fanbois their phones were not exclusive in any way and a few still seem to not have learned that lesson, in spite of complaining about "copy and paste" posts where I give information to newcomers about the similarities and differences of the two Quark phones Motorola released.

Yes, there's only two, with two FCC IDs -- under three different model names.

I know these Quark phones, more than most people.

I know Motorola more than most people.

I know the cell phone industry as a business more than most people.

So don't come in here saying the Quark is not a "Moto" phone and expect respect from me, especially when I've posted plenty before that it's the PREMIUM phone in the 2014 Moto lineup and you acknowledge you read my posts before.

This is the hierarchy for that model year:

Motorola Nexus 6 (not "Moto" phone, but made by Motorola)

Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo/Droid Turbo (Quark)

Moto X

Moto G

Moto E

Yes, Moto X is considered the flagship, the "mainstream" phone with the decent specs. But that years was only decent, not great. But the Quark above the X was premium, and cost more money.

The Quark has almost identical hardware specs to the Moto Nexus 6, which arguably was most premium, as it has rear camera OIS and stereo speakers. But the Quark had everything else, and a bigger battery.

You don't snub your premium customers and give updates to weak, low spec phones like the Moto E before you give it to the Quark.

For one, it's EASIER for the Quark as Moto Nexus 6 got Marshmallow first and the hardware is almost identical.

Second it gives a message to customers who paid you LOTS of money that they are not valued by you.

It tells customers they better stick with Nexus phones or if they want a premium phone that gets updates, maybe to go look at LG.
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
I think we need to get back on topic here and take the semantics elsewhere. Like Twitter... Honestly this isn't the thread for it, and never was
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
That condescending, "I'm always right, if you don't agree, your WRONG"attitude is NOT helping your case. If you don't agree with the facts I'm providing to actually HELP people understand, that's fine. You don't need to write irrelevant paragraphs about how you feel and opposing every little said.

Ex: 2014 Moto X, Moto G, Moto E all have Marshmallow already, the " Moto"(for your pleasing) Maxx has not. The Moto X, Moto G, Moto E have outsold the "Moto" Maxx. One can deduce the fact that Motorola is supporting the revenue first.

Being upset and ranting online is not going to make Motorola say "Well he is clearly not happy about spending more money on a device that isn't our top priority, I'm going to 'accommodate' and provide support. Businesses have a plan to follow, it's how they're still in business.

We can go back and forth about debating a 'proper' name for a gadget, what device you call premium, or whatever else you feel you need right on, but I would rather share some insight on Motorola's standpoint.

I'm not doing this to get any sort of "reward of being right, or feeling like I need to 'prove something'". I spent this time writing and hoping it would be useful explanation to some. I did not have to do this, I did not get anything from it...but I enjoy helping others or sharing information, not bashing others, which I see is one of the reasons of having a forum.
[Moto Maxx General] israelnobrega:
Marshmallow zip.

http://xdaforums.com/moto-maxx/general/moto-maxx-6-0-1-ota-zip-t3334551
[Moto Maxx General] richii0207:
Yep, you got it![emoji106]
[Moto Maxx General] blacksn:
Please upload 6.0.1 TWRP Backup.
[Moto Maxx General] mjames.abordo:
So where's the OTA update for xt1225 moto maxx?is it already out?
[Moto Maxx General] mathab:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DavidSchuster/posts/5uZupeSevZY
[Moto Maxx General] celulari:
So much drama here....
[Moto Maxx General] MazinDLX:
Wow, that escalated quickly.

Now about this coming to my Verizon exclusive Verizon Motorolla Droid Turbo Quark 4G LTE enabled phone......... Lmao I can't even finish...

No news ?
[Moto Maxx General] Lpedraja2002:
I swear, at the pace they're going we'll be lucky if we get the update next month.
[Moto Maxx General] mjames.abordo:
moto is very slow in updating the quarks, I hope it will come in a few days already.
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
That's the second time you've said "in a few days..." and I don't understand why. Schuster's Google+ post mentioned the Maxx soak test going out on 11 March, and running for a couple weeks. That's clearly more than a few days. This is another worthless, and repeated, comment in this thread that's already gone off the rails...
[Moto Maxx General] tkruger206:
...banter
[Moto Maxx General] pedro_maciel:
https://mega.nz/#!AVxDQDgJ!Eqo2r0io1-QHcaEdeRtvkmSs76pqO030O1IWVYdVzrc
[Moto Maxx General] tkruger206:
[MENTION=7251166]pedro_maciel[/MENTION] Is this the final OTA or the soak test?

If it's the soak test this link won't but posted for long as it's against the NDA rules to post any pre-release/soak test software publicly.
[Moto Maxx General] pedro_maciel:
OTA
[Moto Maxx General] mjames.abordo:
Im a little bit excited about this that's why. You know how it feels when you are eagerly waiting for something right?
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
Flashing right now. Will report back if I live through it...
[Moto Maxx General] tkruger206:
Right I get it's the OTA, but is it the final official update or is this the soak test?
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
It's a Soak test. The full version should be out in a week or two.
[Moto Maxx General] tkruger206:
I figured since the G+ post mentioned the final version will not be out for a week or so....So I guess get it while you can then because Moto will be sending a cease and desist here any minute to have the post removed...soak test is under NDA.
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
Flash succeeded, but be reminded that this looks to be for the Brazil firmware.
[Moto Maxx General] tkruger206:
What other software would it be? Brazil is what was announced and everyone is expecting.
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
I just wanted to make sure those that arrive at this thread through search engines or whatever don't try and flash this on a Maxx device that's from PR/LA/India and flood the thread with unnecessary questions. The average Google-junky Joe might not know what 'retbr' really means...
[Moto Maxx General] tkruger206:
Gotcha - sorry wasn't trying to be a ****...there is too much banter in this thread already :)

Good call though.

HEY EVERYONE - THIS IS THE MOTO MAXX BRAZIL 6.0.1 OTA SOAK TEST - FINAL VERSION TO COME IN A FEW WEEKS
[Moto Maxx General] koftheworld:
Do you mind posting a twrp backup?
[Moto Maxx General] brinox:
I don't have TWRP installed, so no can do for that... Plus I didn't wipe, so you'd be restoring my accounts/data with that anyway.

Negative Ghostrider.
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
How did you flash the zip? Can you tell me the steps?
[Moto Maxx General] koftheworld:
Damn I was just looking for /system
[Moto Maxx General] Bobboman:
i always hate trying to flash from stock recovery always a hassle to get to the menu
[Moto Maxx General] mirdones:
I tried to install superSu and got stuck on boot.
[Moto Maxx General] koftheworld:
Do you have an unlocked bootloader?
[Moto Maxx General] mirdones:
Yes I do
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
So this is what I did to install the update. You kinda have to wipe your phone if you have TWRP and Root. So what I did was I went back and used RSD Lite to re-flash my 5.0.2 update. Then I copied this file to my SD card and used the stock recovery to flash this update. (Note: It would take a good 15-20 minutes so be patient)

Also, for those who might have the red triangle on the recovery menu after re-flashed firmware, just press the Power and the Volume+ button and get the stock recovery back (It takes some tries and rebooting but you need to time it right for it to work.
[Moto Maxx General] mirdones:
So, no root for 6.0.1 moto rom?
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
You can ROOT it after you install the Stock 6.0.1, I'm currently setting up my device so I'll update you further.
[Moto Maxx General] yvmexcl:
Hello you can make a copy for TWRP
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
I wish I could. I f***ed up my phone while doing ROOT and now I can't install anything! So, I'm semi-bricked until I find a recovery file or I find the STOCK images...
[Moto Maxx General] Bobboman:
flash this via mfastboot https://mega.nz/#!RM9BwQyZ!uW-fhXRKLZ6SgWZYA9to1aKsb7sXEex8VnF_dz-7dss

then http://www.mediafire.com/download/ab5faw1y0n1uw33/Blur_Version.22.34.16.quark_retbr.retbr.en.BR.zip via recovery

then flash the 6.0.1 soak test
[Moto Maxx General] mirdones:
I had the same problem.

I solved by reflhasing the QUARK_RETBR_5.0.2_LXG22.33-12.13_cid12_subsidy-DEFAULT_CFC.xml, from this thread and than updating everything again using this tutorial.

If you do that, don't bother flashing partition gpt.bin and motoboot bootloader.img, as you will get an error because they will be on a newer version than in the image above. Just flash everything else normally and you will be fine.

---------- Post added at 01:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 AM ----------

As I said, for now, is there a way to get root on the 6.0.1 soak?
[Moto Maxx General] Fulbring:
Thanks for the tip! It worked.

Also, yeah, so I learned it the hard way but the conclusion is that you can't have ROOT at this time on the Soaktest.
[Moto Maxx General] fedecape:
I understand that everyone's receiving the update, even people that never signed up for the soak test. Do you guys think Motorola will update it before it goes 100% public?