yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Both companies use off the shelf A57 cores, same as anyone who uses an A57 core. The reason its different for Qualcomm is because normally they don't license the rights to use a specific core like the A57. They license the rights to use their instruction sets etc. And then they build their own custom core from this. For instance the krait cores were not an arm designed core. Though it's closest arm core was the a15 and they both used arm instruction sets, etc. Despite both companies using off the shelf cores this time, they still have to do some small modifications and optimizations for their specific socs. Qualcomm still had to do this as well. It's possible Samsung did a better job on the physical optimization package and optimizing the cores for its specific soc, or it could all just come down to the move to 14nm finfet. 14nm reduces heat, power consumption and increases performance. Pretty much all of the issues the 20nm 810 has. Basically, while they both will do some small modifications and tweaks to the cores, they will be nearly identical for the most part. Also I never said they were the same, I pointed out they both used A57 cores with the difference being one was designed by Samsung and on 14nm. Though reading back my wording was sort of bad I guess. Hope that helps.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
Idling at 23c? Impossible unless your ambient temperature is under 15c.

These SoCs are passive cooled so their ambient temperature will always be around +10c at the minimum or higher.

Even active cooled chips will be +5c or higher at the minimum.

My S6 is idling at 40c and my ambient temperature is 23c!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jal3223:
Yeah, the ambient at the time was around 67. It usually idles under 30 though. My point was I don't have a temp problem with the 808.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
Yes, that helps. Thanks for the detailed explanation.

It sounds like it is still true that Qualcomm doesn't normally use off the shelf cores and this led to their problems. Although 14 nm, as you suggest, may be the reason Samsung doesn't have issues, perhaps if Qualcomm had done their custom cores there would not have been issues with the 20 nm architecture of the 810. Also maybe there is some reason why Samsung's design process or chipsets are more suitable for off the core shelfs and why Qualcomm nonetheless has to design custom cores to get good performance in the Snapdragon chipsets?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
From what I've been reading my best guess would be that it's a combination of the 14nm and some issues on qcoms implementation. Qcom will actually be using Samsung to build the 820 on their 14nm process. Its possible that because samsung uses off the shelf cores in their exynos socs and considering the 7420 is very similiar for the most part to the extnos 5 series, they may just have more experience with making the most of the arm designs. The exynos 5 used the same a53s and a57s just not on 14nm and not 64 bit so they basically had two generations to work with those cores. The reason Qualcomm normally designs their own cores is because they can achieve greater power efficiency and performance compared to the generic arm cores. If you go look back at the Krait cores in the 805, they were quite a step up from the Arm A15 which was probably the closest arm designed core available. That's the big deal with the 820, because they will be going back to a custom designed core which, assuming it follows their previous history with krait and scorpion cores, should be ahead of any of the competition. AFAIK qcom and apple are currently the only two companies who have used arms architecture license to design a custom core recently. Though I believe Samsung did in the galaxy s1.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skitals:
It was reassuring to see Microsoft is also using the 810 in the new Lumia (with a heat pipe). I'm sure after seeing the issues with phones that came before, they came us with a good thermal design as well. FWIW, the 2015 Chromebook Pixel has a good dual heatpipe design and the fans almost never turn on. So many players are using the 810 over the 808 in the flagship device, the pros must outweigh any cons.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
The new Lumia is using a liquid cooling system that MS used in surface tablets, it's their own cooling system. Is this how the Z5 works with its heat pipes? although doing a Google says the Z5 has heat problems.

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...mia-950-and-950xl-water-cooled-windows-phones
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tehpdub:
AHHHHHHHHH ship out the phones already!!!!!! lol
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matteventu:
No, Galaxy S(1) used a standard Cortex-A8 ;)

Other than Apple and Qualcomm who made custom cores is nVIDIA (Denver).
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Yup ur right! Totally forgot about Denver. Was thinking about the humming bird soc in s1 but I guess it was just a normal A8 with a nice gpu lol
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goronok:
I am personally glad they've chosen the 810 over the 808. I have owned an LG G4 and Moto X Pure which were very sluggish devices in almost all scenarios for me. Currently I have a Oneplus 2 that is much much quicker in use, never lags, and rarely gets as warm as the 808 devices I have used.

Not saying the 810 is perfect, but I'm glad to see it in the 6P over the 808
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
So, am I correct in understanding that when Qualcomm first intended the 810 not to be a 64 bit chipset they would have used the A57 cores, but just as 32 bit? Or did they have a whole other set of custom "Krait" cores they were working on and abandoned, when Apple announced its 64 bit chipset? Also, whichever the case, I wonder if they had just stuck with 32 bit if that would have avoided the heat issues.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
I don't know what their intentions were back then, I would assume only qcom really knows. But its likely they were planning on a custom core 32bit setup, maybe an evolution of the krait cores in the 805 with the usual gpu upgrade. I'm not sure if they would have gone with an octa core a57/a53 setup in 32bit because the 810 is the first time they have used arm designed cores in a long time. Which is likely because they were rushed and the expense and amount of time required to design a brand new core on a completely different instruction set was too much in order to get it into the 810. They probably figured it was better to use a stop gap solution(the 810) in order to give them more time to work on a custom design(820) rather than rushing some sort of custom design for the 810 which may simply not have been possible within the time constraints they were using. Though I doubt they figured the 810 would be so widely criticised. If it hadn't, it would have been perfectly fine for them likely. All just guessing though lol.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdubya42:
I returned my Pure because it would get hot for absolutely no reason and was all around slow.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
Unlike a lot of the other players in the market qcom develop _all_ off the soc technologies themselves. Modems, image processing stuff, gpu are just a few of the more important pieces. It is quite conceivable they were working on incremental upgrades to one or more of the these other pieces. At any rate, from this marketing video it looks like qcom is looking to pick up with the 820 where they left off with 805. Which should be a good thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3lTocVyvNA
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
This is what ArsTechnica says at the end of their article testing the 810:

I was just trying to build on that. I guess, reading it again, it does suggest that Qualcomm would have kept evolving the existing cores in the 805, until the 820 was ready, but then rushed out something they didn't plan at all in response to Apple's 64 bit chip.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
Another excellent test by Ars comparing samsung (14nm) A9 vs. TSMC (16nm) A9 for efficiency. Does not talk about heat per se, but I imagine the samsung chip is running hotter (for Geekbench). Just a nice reminder that just shrinking the die size will not guarantee performance.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Well, the performance wasn't compared, only battery life. And it's possible the tsmc was a high binned soc and the Samsung was a low binned soc which would in turn mean higher voltages. That's all I can think of though. Nice article.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
It is true that the scores weren't mentioned, but I think the scores should be similar for the battery test to make sense. In other words, there is no indication that TSMC is throttling any more than than the samsung.

(just wanted to clarify I was talking about performance per watt in my previous post)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Oh gotcha. Thought u meant the scores from the benchmark in terms of performance itself. Maybe the reason the tsmc does better on battery is because it actually throttles more, runs at a lower frequency and thus uses slightly less power :P that's the only link I can think of between thermal throttling and battery life.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skitals:
That is PR spin... it is not water cooling, it is a typical heat pipe. MS also pushed the "liquid cooled" spin with the Xbox 360 and we all know how that turned out. The heat pipe concept was first patented in 1942...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pipe
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
No time limit on 4k recording on N6P. Woohoo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X1slv1OEuY
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
Liquid cooled doesn't mean water only. Some really high end CPU heatsinks for PCs had liquid in them that wasn't water. It was in the heat pipes that connected to the base and the fins up top and made the heat transfer from the base to the fins more efficient!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Yeah, perhaps it's just a vapor chamber. GTX Titan uses one.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brolic925t:
Oh stfu with that alright. I got a g3 with the 801 on aosp and mine is butter smooth with xposed. Ui sluggishness deponds on kernel optimizations and skin. The 808 is more than capable of handling aosp. I under clocked my g3 to 1.7 and no hiccups running on 2 cores with zzmove and 2 on conservative.

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Me personally idk if I should wait for the 820 or just get a g4 since they've got official cm support coming this week.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jal3223:
He posted his opinion, you posted yours. No need to be rude.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
The G3 was a horrible phone. It lagged, stuttered and overheated all the time. The 801 couldn't handle the QHD.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raghavsharmaxda:
G3 is horrible guys. Throttling all the time.

Aosp/cm based ROMs makes life easier but not much. Game throttling exists and ROMs can't stop that. Device has issues big time. 801 was never meant for QHD at all. Overheating is main reason I just canceled preorder. I dont wanna waste 40K AGAIN
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chilidog:
What are you guys doing to you phone, I am still using my g3 and it's fine, I can game for hours and it never goes past 41 degrees. It does occasionally lag but so little that I am contemplating not even keeping the 6P
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
No lie, it's one of the worst phones I've used. I got rid of it after 4weeks. Mine idled at around 48degC and it regularly got up to 60 and throttled like hell. It was horrible.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chilidog:
You got screwed bro mine idles at 33 max...
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mosincredible:
I've been fine with my G3 but I never play intense games. It runs good on Cloudy and better on AOSP. I consistently get 4hr SOT. It does get hot like crazy but I have the throttle point raised. My main reasons for upgrading are the stock Android experience, stereo speakers & a fingerprint reader. Everything else I like about the 6P is a bonus.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brolic925t:
I literally can play order and chaos 2 on max quality till batter drains with no throttling... Kernels have come a long way Budd. Only time it throttles is if I charge n play at same time
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
You're welcome
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ARSCAN:
Check out this video, the guy uses the phone for some minutes and then runs antutu, you can see the results at 03:42 and this phone is not even beating last year's version or even moto x style/pure. The same guy says that the phone gets hot but starts throttling to get cooler, so the people thinking that huawei and Google were going to do magic with this phone can start throttling their expectations and think twice before spending their money.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kamranhaghighi:
Guess I have to keep my stupid note 4 or buy iPhone 6s plus(maybe i can afford it if i sell my house and kidney!) nexus 6p is not only expensive but it's not good :( there are no good phones these days :(
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ARSCAN:
Here's the video, sorry hehe.

https://youtu.be/v9JFwI3pq-I
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brolic925t:
G4 it is
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Moondawgy:
I find the throttling issue with the G3 is the battery. Aftermarket battery (Anker) runs alot hotter than the factory battery, but when i use the Zerolemon 9K battery pack it never runs hot for the entire time (usually sits around in the 70F range). Also the throttle is just dimming the screen a bit which doesn't bothers me.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TroyBoy30:
can you really run a benchmarking app with all that running in the background?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
Good point. Here is another test. Could be a first run, hence unthrottled or could be a fresh run with no background apps. Not sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCMzucLC04
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topcaser:
Hi, I did an OS update and afterwards the device does not start again. Seems to be low quality...

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[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:
Seems unlikely they haven't even been released

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see Fire Index: Which Amazon (Kindle) Fire Do I have?
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topcaser:
Unlikely? That's what my tablet did...

Sent from my Galaxy S5
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:
What model #

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See Fire Index: Which Amazon (Kindle) Fire Do I have?
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topcaser:
It's the newest Fire tablet which I pre-ordered some weeks ago. The price was 59 Euro. I just owned it 1 hour or so before it was bricked

Sent from my Galaxy S5
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_ape:
Mine came through this morning, no updates required? Says running Fire OS 5.0.0 Build date Sat 1st August 2015 BST, model Fire (5th Generation)
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:
Amazon site still does not have any updates available for download.

Many have said Amazon has a good return policy.

Any sign of life?
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topcaser:
No, not at all. I called amazon and they scheduled an exchange. Unfortunately new devices are expected in November for delivery :(

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[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AgentFour20:
I recieved mine today and it also required an update . Fortunately mine did not brick .
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:


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[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topcaser:
I plugged the tablet to wall the entire day. But it's still bricked. Let's hope that there are no quality problems due to the cheap price. And let's further hope that the tablet get cyanogenmod soon ;)

Sent from my Galaxy S5
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:
updates have bricked many different devices over the years

likely was just a bad download, or just installed incomplete

if there is no sign of life, likely no fixing
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AgentFour20:
My build date
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:
Amazon probably is updating a limited number of devices at a time
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AgentFour20:
I did receive an update on 9/30 but it show a different build date that the screen shot you posted .
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sd_shadow:
fire 7in (kffowi)?
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neffy27:
I'm currently on military deployment which Amazon would not ship to my address. Wife received mine today. Powered it on, required an OTA. She let do its thing, no issues, and then headed to the post office.
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AgentFour20:
Yes the device is a Amazon Fire 5th edition . I check for update after the first update finished and it found no new update .
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fruity101079:
Everything in the title.

I read somewhere that the dual speakers are not stereo. Is that true!?

Envoyé de mon Nexus 7 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] id3alistic:
There are dual speakers. Some websites have false info or they are too lazy to fix it. They also list OIS, but the phone does not have OIS. It was stated by google that the camera has other featuers which is why it doesn't need OIS.
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lacibaci:
Single front-facing speaker
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fruity101079:
There are 2 speakers for sure, but did they play in stereo together or just 2 mono?

Envoyé de mon Nexus 7 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RazzBot:
From the nexus 5x product page:

Media

Single front-facing speaker

3 microphones (1 front, 1 top, 1 bottom) with noise cancellation
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rollerdyke44:
What the bloody hell??? Then whats up with the huge bezels then????

man, this sucks. Guess i'll look for a new phone after 4 years with nexus family
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peachpuff:
Wow what a **** move google.
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clninja:
It has two speaker grills on the front

The top one is earpiece and the bottom one is the speaker
[Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechBSwift:
Only the nexus 6p has true front facing speakers
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d1ez3:
[IMG="6p vs 5X"]https://i.imgur.com/8TBBVOO.jpg[/IMG]

Is there any info on the type of AMOLED display used in this phone? I hope it isn't the same one in the Nexus 6, and the newer one from the Note 4 for better colors, brightness and power efficiency.

Picture was taken from this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-oPK72b2Fw
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stevew84:
yea, I'm really not impressed with the screen quality on the Nexus 6. My wife's Galaxy S5 is more vibrant and isn't it the same type of screen?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] duocia:
Hello, so I rooted my phone everything was fine, then I wanted to install custom recovery. Installed flashify and pressed boot img and installed twrp-2.8.7.0-h815 and now its stuck on

Secure booting Error!
Error Code : 1002

That's it I can go to download mode nothing else please help!!!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eksasol:
I had similar issue with my G2 but after lots of messing around I was able to restore it. Try this: http://xdaforums.com/g4/general/guide-lg-g4-stock-firmware-to-stock-kdz-t3107848

Sent from LG G Pad 8.3
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] edgardito:
Hi, i would like to change my wizard.

I found that the processor (ti omap 850 200mhz) lacks speed, and the 400mhz seems good.

Can someone tell me if the difference is important?

i also have a problem with the wizard that im not sure if the hermes solve it. I have a Bluetooth GPS and a Motorola a2dp headset.

When i use both at the same time, the headset stops working, and starts skipping audio. I guess this is because the wizard has Bluetooth 1.2. But Hermes has 2.0, so with bigger bandwidth, i guess this might work.

This working is top priority in my case.

Please excuse my english, im spanish.

Pd: im seeing that there are several versions of hermes, one with a secondary VGA camera, and the other without it. Is that the only difference?

Pd2: on wizard there are G3/G4 models. I have a G4, so flashing is complicated. Something similar happends on Hermes?.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] fone_fanatic:
Ok, yes the proccessor is MUCH faster on the hermes (i switched from a wizard to a hermes and it is noticeable).

Can't tell you much about the bluetooth problems your having other than there are tweaks around to improbe a2dp but i don't know about both at the same time. I don't have a bluetooth headset but i do use my bluetooth gps reciever a lot and never ran into trouble.

The different versions of the hermes are the HERM100/200/300. The one without the front facing vga camera is the one sold under cingular/att in the US because video calling is not supported by their network (not yet atleast). So the only differences in the models are the looks, the processor and everything else is the same.

As for flashing, i think only the softbank models had issues with flashing earlier on but i think those are all cleared out. So no need to worry about G3/G4 models as u did with the wizard.

Hope that answers your questions, but one more thing to say; If your willing to hold off for a month and a bit until you get a new device i suggest waiting for the HTC Kaiser which is rumored to be released in September.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] edgardito:
Thank you, that pretty much gives me an idea about hermes.

The thing is that i live in argentina, and i have a change to bring a hermes (bought on eBay) in the next couple of weeks.

Which will be the advantages of Kaiser comparing it to Hermes?

i've notice that some HTC phones are coming without the 850 gsm band, which is used in here.

i still hope someone reads this and confirms about the GPS + headset functionality.
[ZenFone 2 General] Frankenberrie:
A quick info share....

According to Neowin Marshmallow will begin to roll out on new devices starting October 5th

Maybe Asus will roll 5.1x to us as a treat :)
[ZenFone 2 General] Tiongkia:
Hopefully...
[ZenFone 2 General] ultramag69:
Better yet, they skip 5.1.1 and go straight to marshmallow...

Probably too much to hope for though...
[ZenFone 2 General] umesswitme:
Anything that gets rid of the android OS drain would be nice.
[ZenFone 2 General] Frankenberrie:
Did we even get the stage fright patch
[ZenFone 2 General] umesswitme:
Not yet AFAIK
[ZenFone 2 General] ultramag69:
Yes we did, I believe it was either 90 or 97 on the 551ML...
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I have been using NFC with success. But I'm not certain exactly where the NFC chip is. I've just been sliding the device on NFC readers till it works :cowboy: . Has anyone found a graphic, that shows where the NFC chip is at?
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myriad46:
Email the people at ifixit. They're probably in the process of tearing one of these apart.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
It's actually not a "chip" but an antennae.

It's probably located somewhere central in the back.