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[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chops650:
According to the Oneplus 2 review from XDA, the 810 v 2.1 still overheats/throttles, so this Nexus could still have problems, since this one's not even downclocked. Hopefully it doesn't, and the aluminum body could help with heating issues. I preordered one, so if reviews come out before it's processed and problems still arise from 810, I might have to cancel. Hoping for the best though!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 51ice:
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blaze0303:
Looks like this will be the first Nexus that I skip. :(
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gungrave223:
Unfortunately, looks like I'll probably be skipping as well..The fact that they didn't really cover the processor at all suggest that they probably had issues with it. Or they would have at least said something generic like "And it comes with a fully optimized SD 810V2.1 64 bit processor."
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jodvova:
Who are you?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
What gpu does it sport?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phazmos:
And according to another article and multiple successive benchmark runs, it doesn't.

That's why I got it - v2.1 took care of the heat.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
The gpu is the same on all snapdragon 810 socs. I would guess most people wouldn't notice any heat issues in normal use. Maybe if you are playing 3d games or benchmarking. It also really depends on the cooling used. The xperia z3+ had issues recording 4k. While the new z5 with the same soc has no problems due to cooling. I would guess Google did some good stuff in terms of cooling. Additionally qcom said nearly all 810s that made it into production devices are the V2.1 including the m9. I'm not sure if that's from the start though. There's also undervolting which can help too. I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like all the newer 810 devices have taken actions to keep it cooler.

Edit:

moto x pure is actually snapdragon 808 not 810
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
The pure uses the 808.

As for heat and performance

https://www.androidpit.com/snapdragon-810-vs-808-is-8-cores-really-better-than-6

The pure gets hot just trying to push chrome and maps can drop battery by 1/3 in an hour. Serious issues and if you under clock the performance issues become even more serious. Great phone for people that don't use it. As for me I'll take the Big P.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gqukyo:
I have the OPT and it still gets warm. Much better with ak kernel but on stock, it gets real warm but not burn your hands off hot.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tech_head:
Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.

The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pratyush997:
AFAIK It uses S810 V3. O.o
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
You're right, but the issue then is heat dissipation from the metal body. If you have it in a case, you're trapping the heat more as opposed to leaving the metal back bare and feeling the heat in your hands!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slickromeo:
but according to people in articles that have used it. there is no heat, right? so we are safe and good to go? Right folks? ??
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] [hfm]:
I could really care less about benchmarks, my opinion though.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strudla:
I don´t care about benchmarks, i don´t game on the phone so i guess i´ll be fine with 6P :D
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] southernchris7:
As long as it can handle Tetris and Pokemon I'll be fine :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chevycam94:
I can make most any phone get really hot if I run 3D benchmarks non-stop for an hour. Everybody's phone usage is different. At idle, or maybe viewing a webpage, it's not going to be using enough CPU power to cause any significant heat. This is really being blown WAY out of proportion.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andreoidb:
False

No that isn't true at all. The throttle doesn't just lower the screen brightness, it lowers the cpu frequency and cores active if it really gets up in temp. LG has a really aggressive throttle set. It starts throttling around 60C, so if the phone idles around 40C like mine did, there is very little room to work with before it throttles. The battery has nothing to do with it, it's a placebo.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eramik:
There are several phones with the SD810, have anyone tested which handles the overheating/ battery drain issues best?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aria.A97:
Stop these concerns

I was worried of SD810 on HTC M9 and OnePlus Two.

But really guys, after all, THIS IS A NEXUS DEVICE. And you are posting on XDA.

WHICH MEANS :

1. Some kernels WILL be available that allows us to undervolt. This helps heating and battery. (not to mention some other nice & cool cpu & gpu governors)

2. You can reduce maximum freqs down to what you need. Believe me for chatting with FB Messenger, text messaging, web browsing, playing music, and some games of course, you don't need an octa-core processor running at 2Ghz.

3. You can turn off two cores which will make it something like Snapdragon 808. (had no heating problem at all)

Again you'll have increase in battery with less heat.

Go check performance of LG G4. With DDR3 ram, and Adreno 418 it can run any app and any game without any problem.

Nexus 6P with two cores turned off, and DDR4 ram, and Adreno 430 will still be a beast! No doubt.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SensualPuma:
So I got nothing out of this thread, just a bunch of people arguing :P

Just wait until the phone comes out and see how it handles everything. If it's not good, return it! End of story.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaveHTC200:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Lumi...osoft-stores-due-to-hardware-problems_id74794

Could this be the 810 curse.....
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] [hfm]:
Then again it might not be.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lopri:
No. The 810 is still the 810. It is not "solved" by software, but tweaked by software to find a sweet spot of balance between heat, throttle, and power consumption.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oneandroidnut:
Yeah I have a feeling you are right. Throttle it makes it better but then the performance aspect is lost.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
There's always the freezer for benchmarks, and turning your house temperature down very low for day to day performance. :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M@rs:
I'm still using the "overheating" nexus 4. If it doesn't get hotter and don't throttle too much wth uv, and a little raised throttlethresold I'm fine. Only the price in Europe is a problem. Don't want to spend 650+€ on a phone
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
Android Headlines is the first sight I've seen that did a good test of the 810 in the 6P (surprisingly ArsTechnica did not, even though they've been really on top of this issue in the past).

It sounds like Google/Huawei went for the solution that I prefer, which is heavy throttling during intense use, in order to keep heat on the low side:

Here's what Android Headlines say:

They go on to say in normal use the phone is very smooth, with no hiccups. But internal storage was a bit slow for todays phones, but not in an especially noticeable way.

It's only one report, but I'd say so far so good. That seems like about the best one could hope for with the 810.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] [hfm]:
We have to remember encryption is in effect when we consider storage speed.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
Yes, they say that in the review. But that's really separate from the question of the 810 performance anyway. I just thought I'd mention it in passing.

Anyway, I'm glad that the 810, so far, does not seem to be running hot, even if that means some significant throttling. Since we knew it would have to be one or the other (heat or throttling) and some phones with the 810 even manage to have both (getting the worst of both worlds with excessive heat and throttling), I feel that throttling and no undue heat is the best compromise. Hopefully other reviews and users will also find this to be the case and Android Headlines won't be an outlier. (So far other reviews have said the 810 is fine, but none of them except Android Headlines have pushed to phone enough to produce the throttling and then measured the difference between cold and warm performance.)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
Something doesn't add up here. How can the performance only be 30% lower. Ars review showed 810 throttling down to 850-950 MHz. That is over 50% performance loss. Also, throttling circuitry is inside the soc, I don't think Huawei or Google would have access to tweak it.

I think we need more systematic testing. Its disappointing Ars hasn't done this yet. Maybe Anandtech will.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
Android Headline's 30% number comes from the difference in the score the phone got using what looks like 3D Mark, not based on the CPU frequency. They provide screen shots of the tests.

In both cold and hot performance, you see that it runs pretty much at 850 Mhz most of the time. The difference is that once hot it won't stay at 100% CPU use for very long, it runs then it stops then it runs, etc. continuing to cycle like this much more frequently when hot. This is consistent with Ars results.

Also Ars was using a special SoC throttling test developed for Geekbench that was not commercially available at the time (it was experimental software--I don't even know if it's available now).

So I think we're just seeing the difference between using different tests and different units of measure, not a difference in the 810. Android Headlines is more or less in the same ballpark as Ars in their 6P test and if you look at the charts they post, it appears to be the same type of throttling phenomenon happening.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Throttling is not hard coded into the SOC. That's why we have custom kernels that can modify the values at which it throttles. As for the discrepancy who knows. Have to remember that the 810 is two separate clusters so maybe it's throttling one more and the other less etc. Idk just an idea.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matteventu:
ARS showed 810 throttling down to 850-950MHz, but on a different device.

Throttling is related to the device (different kernel with different governor) more than to the SoC.

ps: and, by the way, 50% less clock frequency doesn't mean 50% less performance
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_mako:
Things are looking good so far. Here is a snippet from pcmag review:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2493305,00.asp
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
I explain the difference between the Ars tests and the Android Healines test in my post right after jonny_mako pointed it out and right above your two posts. They were not using the same software to test the CPU and their 30% and 50% numbers refer to different units. In other words, there appears to in fact be no discrepancy. See my post above for more details.

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I'm going to take PC Mag's "test" with a big grain of salt. They run AnTuTu on it but make no attempt to compare hot and cold performance. Most review sites right now are saying, "oh the 810 is fine, it gets great benchmarks." But that's because they all just run the test, get the cold performance, and fail to elicit the throttling (and/or heat). This has been a common mistake and misunderstanding that almost all sites have made throughout the 810 debacle. PC Mag also talks about maxing out the RAM, which has nothing to do with the issue and further reflects a misunderstanding.

Other than that PC Mag provides subjective comments that the 6P seem okay playing games. Maybe it will be okay, for most or even just about all people. But Android Headlines clearly shows that the 6P heavily throttles, just as the 810 does in every other phone.

The good news, to me, so far is that the phone doesn't seem to get particularly hot. I don't want to deal with a phone that's uncomfortably hot to the touch. But Android Headlines also shows (just as Ars has with other 810 phones) that the 6P, once it throttles, delivers performance more on a par with year old CPUs like the 805 and 801. Now, those are good CPUs, only surpassed so far by the 7420, the 808, and the 810 in its cold performance. So there's no reason not to be happy with the 810. But if people are expecting an upgrade over year old phones with the 805 and 801, then they should reset their expectations.

For me the jury is still out. Android Headlines had some good results, as far as heat goes, but they are the only ones so far to show they actually understand the issue with the 810 and to properly test it in the 6P.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
Huh, imagine that.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
Problems with the PC Mag's (very poor) testing methods explained in post immediately above yours. Android Headlines (as I note above) has already showed that the 810 throttles heavily in the 6P, just as it does in every other phone it has shipped in. All explained, already in detail above.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaveHTC200:
http://m.androidcentral.com/does-nexus-6p-get-hot
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Big thanks for this
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Would be fun to see Goat Simulator played on it for extended period of time.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
They ran a benchmark for X number of minutes and compared the temperatures, that's pretty scientific.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luciferiusXI:
Custom kernel should fix the throttling if it is not too bad. They can increase the max temperature but then device would get super hot if there is no throttle. Pretty messed up
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Yea its just gonna be a tradeoff. Likely you will see a custom thermal driver that lets the user choose the throttling temperature. Obviously if you make the throttling temp higher it will feel hotter but go longer without throttling. Maybe some undervolting will reduce the thermals a bit too. Its also possible to adjust the hmp handoff thresholds to make it use the big or little clusters more or less than the other which would also help reduce thermals, though migratings processes to the smaller cluster would also hurt performance so its not exactly a solution. That's about all that can be done on that front imo.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luciferiusXI:
Any idea which kernel developers are getting the nexus?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
I've heard bbedward say he was getting one, simms22 told me morfic will bring Trinity kernel to it as well. I wanna say I saw Franco and imoseyon say they were getting a 6p too but I can't remember. I may also release a kernel for the 6p at some point. So there should be plenty :)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luciferiusXI:
Oh wow Morfic is back!!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
Yes so I've been told :)

Again though, I was told this by simms22 a few weeks back so it may have changed.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] letom:
I mean this with the greatest respect because you obviously are knowledgeable on the topic but you need to just accept that the phone doesn't get uncomfortably hot and remains rapid. It's the best cpu around, comparisons with the nexus 5x show the 6p is always fluid whilst the 808 can get choppy, have a look in the 5x forums and the comparison reviews with the the 6p.

I understand your argument that the issue is actually throttling but you've got to understand that most people don't care about throttle, it's about actual performance, if the nexus throttles down to 1mhz but is still rapid I'm happy. That's all I care about and every review has said the phone has been the most buttery quick android experience to date. So really I (and 99% of people) couldn't care less about thermal throttling.

We could listen to you or to every review which has praised performance. There's nothing wrong with taking what you said to determine if they buy a nexus or not, but personally I choose to listen to the reviewers.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xileforce:
I think what he is trying to say is the big question mark currently is how it holds up during extended hard use, such as playing a graphically intense game for 15-20 minutes straight. General user interface stuff doesn't need more than about 900mhz on the big cluster to keep things smooth so it should not really be affected by throttling imo. Ik androidheadlines said performance was great but they weren't sure how it would hold up under sustained heavy use situations.(not really sure why they didn't just test that lol) other than that I think throttling would be mostly a non issue for most people.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krabman:
Two separate issues, throttling killing performance and discomfort holding the phone during use. I think everyone would agree that the latter issue can be put to bed, no need to put on the asbestos gloves to use this phone. As to the latter...

I've read/watched most of the reviews for this phone. Reviews may not be science but that doesn't mean they are without merit. More than enough reviewers have said their gaming experience was great and I don't recall a single one mentioning overheating or performance issues while shooting 4k video and other intensive non gaming tasks. On the other hand the reviewers are saying things like "best android phone ever" "this is my new personal use phone" "this things performs great" "snappiest phone ever bar none" and so on. These things have meaning to me to because some of these reviewers I've been following for years being the phone slut I am and when Brownlee (for instance) says something I can assess that comment in the light of having watched him for a while and after using many of the phones he has reviewed.

You have to ask yourself if it really matters how much it throttles in light of the fact that you have few chipset options and if you need a flagship phone now and want to go android this is at the top of the pack or very close to it and no amount of objectively and scientifically quantifying its throttling is going to change your options. I get wanting to know, I'm an enthusiast and enthusiast want numbers. I don't get being overly worried about that number, in the end you have to run with something and this is about as good as it gets for them moment.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
This. And the fact that the "throttle camp" have continually postulated and hypothesized without an actual Nexus handset to test their ideas on, which has driven me nuts since the very beginning. Devoid of reason, they've substituted probability and deduction for fact. They've nitpick each little review about thermal performance and critiqued each on how unscientific the testing methodology was. In reality, the reviewer didn't completely detail each and every little step they did to test it. They generalize "yeah, I pushed it as hard as I could and it never got hot" because people don't want to read 10 pages of scientific journal entries "26.5 minutes into playing Asphalt 8, temperature exactly 101.47 deg F, all background apps still running, WiFi and LTE signals at 4 bars"... Reviewers know what people want to read. Furthermore, and trust me on this... the reviewers

know all about

the throttling issue. They're the ones that found it in the first place. They've tested it hands on with numerous handsets. And every time they publish, they know they have to vet their information, because their reputations are on the line (or worse) if they get it wrong.

Personally, I've been wishing for this thread to just die, but people won't let it. /wrists
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
TL;DR
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
I'll sum up what I said in response to your post. 1) You have completely misinterpreted the things I've said, in just about every possible way. 2) If you hate this thread why don't you just ignore it, rather than continually interjecting glib statements as if the thread is some sort of personal attack on you? That's what I do, I just ignore threads I find to be pointless and let people have the conversations they want to have. It's easy.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbodan:
Since you seem to be fairly knowledgeable about the performance of the 810, would the better GPU in the 810 vs. the 808, 805, etc... make up at all for the throttling, especially when it comes to gaming?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cb474:
That's a good question. I don't really have an answer, since I have not seen this tested specifically. The handful of sites that have tested the 810 seriously, and compared "cold" non-throttling performance to "warm" throttling performance, have used gaming as the example of the sort of scenario in which the throttling could be an issue.

But keep in mind that only means the 810 at worst won't be an upgrade for heavy gaming over phones of the last year or so with the 808, 805, or 801--and might be a little slower. We're still tallking about powerful chipsets, so the worst case scenario is far from a disaster. Performance should be as good as or close to other flagship phones. Just not necessarily a step forward. It just depends on what you're looking for.

Anyway, sorry not to have more information than that. The good tests on phones with the 810 a few and far between.

If you're really concerned you may just want to wait and see what people who have had the phone for a while say. And take it all a little bit with a grain of salt, since many people won't be very objective about it.