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[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
I'm not disputing the mobile platform and its success. I do have issues with the way Google handles their own branded products. I'm saying it would be nice to see them in a store first as opposed to having to blindly order it online and hope it's what you wanted. Samsung's Q1 left them with 24% of the mobile market share and 83 million units sold. I doubt they'll be folding up shop soon. If Google were truly in the hardware business, they wouldn't have to get vendors (reluctantly, I might add) to make products branded for them.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Not necessarily. These days the monthly payments on phones through T-Mobile usually add up to exactly the same as the full purchase price. When that's the case it means they are essentially giving you a interest free loan for two years. So that's a better deal.

The reason they do this is to effectively lock you into T-Mobile for that time period. It's like a back door contract. Either you pay off the phone or you can't switch carriers for two years. But if you're not going to switch anyway, then it's a good deal.

So you have to multiply out what the monthly payments actually add up to, to determine if it's a good deal or not.

I wouldn't read too much into the fact that they did not respond. It's common that companies don't comment on future plans. Who knows why. As some say, perhaps they don't want people to wait for carrier availability, during the period the 6P is exclusively available through Google (although actually you can buy it directly from Huawei right now also). Or perhaps they haven't finalized deals with carriers yet, so legally they just can't comment on it. Who knows.

No comment is both not promising it will be on carriers and not promising that it won't be on carriers. So it really doesn't mean anything.

It does seem likely, as others have said, that T-Mobile will eventually carry it, since they've had every Nexus phone and even the G1, before the whole Nexus line started. Further, since Google has their special deal with T-Mobile and Sprint for Google Fi, it's hard to imagine they would shut them out of carrying the Nexus phone, if they want to. It's a phone especially designed with these two carriers in mind. Lastly, it seems like it would really hurt sales not to eventually have carrier availability. Most people get their phones from their carrier. It just can't see the logic in shutting carriers out entirely.

Anyway, I'm going to wait for reviews of the phones before I do anything. At that point, we may know more about carrier availability. I never pre-order. There's the interminable waiting and shipping issues. And then there are often issues with the phone that get resolved later, even minor hardware changes. I'm fine waiting until January. And I definitely want to see the phone and hold it myself, if possible, before ordering one. So, I think patience pays off.
[Nexus 6P General] Smallsmx3:
Not if it's a nexus. Every nexus on Tmo has been more expensive through them then the play store. And your not getting locked in? Yes you have to pay off the phone but you don't have a contract. When carriers were subsidizing phones you were paying almost double the cost of the phone over a two year span. My bill is $50/mo + whatever my EIP is. (27) now I was paying 100-120 a month to subsidize a phone. Much cheaper now and I get to swap phones every year
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
I wonder if Best Buy will carry the Nexus 6P at their little Google kiosks ? They do sell the Nexus 9 Tablet off contract. I mainly want to see it and hold in person before I actually decide on buying
[Nexus 6P General] micmars:
I don't care how many handsets Samsung sells...their sales have been dropping consistently, as have their margins for the last 7 quarters, while their costs continue unabated...for the vast majority of handsets they sell, their margins are razor thin...all the while, Apple continues to be one of the most profitable companies in the world, with double digit growth in unit volume, sales and profits.

Samsung decided that it was a terrific idea to go head to head with Apple, and we'll know within a few weeks the extent of the damage this strategically retarded idea has wrought.

In the interim, Google can do what it wants on the hardware front, since they can and will toss billions at this...and they are starting from scratch.

Do you really think LG and Huawei were taken to the negotiation table with Google kicking and screaming? If so, I'd love to see the source. I am aware that historical Nexus handset sales do not on their own generate massive volume for the manufacturing partner, but this round of devices is different.

Based on everything I've seen, these devices are game changing in two ways...this launch was geared to sell millions more Nexus handsets than in years past, and Google isn't copying Apple...like a true leader, it is blazing its own trail.

#WhiteUIsMustDie, #EndDarkAppOppression
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
You're pretending that Google isn't a publicly traded company and can just keep tossing billions away with no recourse. That is incorrect. Again, I keep saying that my issue is not having a physical location to see Google products previous to buying them and you've not yet made a comment on why you think that is a good or bad idea. I've never owned a Huawei phone, it would be super if could go to a Google store and check it out prior to dropping 600 bucks on it and hoping I like it. The reason vendors reluctantly get sucked into the Nexus program is to try to get their name out there, they aren't lining up due to handset sales, which historically for Nexus devices have always been horrible with almost no profit margin. When they tried to go big with the Nexus 6 it was a true fiasco.

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Thanks [MENTION=5244502]micmars[/MENTION] for keeping this discussion civil and non-personal. I feel like its been informative for me.
[Nexus 6P General] micmars:
Well, here's the thing about Google...with more than 65 billion dollars in net liquid assets (cash + accounts receivable + liquid investments - total current liabilities), almost zero long-term debt, and double digit sales growth nearly every quarter, they can toss billions at the Nexus devices and no one will say a word...public company or not...they'll only catch flak when these metrics change, which I don't see happening any time soon.

The above holds for Apple as well...just double it.

So yes, no recourse. Google makes >80% of their profits from search, not this little side venture.

But I've never owned an Huawei phone and I just bought one. I trust the brand, and the direction they're headed. I think many more will as well. Google's value proposition is unique...a worldwide device, untethered to network, 3x the value than Apple offers, with many of the same advantages (updates from Google and not the carrier, etc). I wonder if these devices will ever end up in retail stores.

Let us see where this goes. Time will tell.

I still think Samsung's reign in this space has come to an end.

#WhiteUIsMustDie, #EndDarkAppOppression
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
I've never owned a single Samsung phone, I've just never been interested. Started out like everyone with G1, then Hero, and stuck with HTC through the EVO LTE then went full time Nexus until the 6 came out and got a G3. I do like LG handsets very much, I just wish I could see the Huawei, but since I cancelled my order and then re placed it, I guess I'll see it on Nov 5-6. If I don't like it I can always send it back I hope.
[Nexus 6P General] Aridon:
All very true. Google can afford to take risks or have some fun with side projects. Nexus was never intended to be a mass market device. That doesn't mean it can't be profitable or have purpose outside of profit. There is a huge shift that has already started with how consumers in the USA buy their devices. Nexus type devices are going to be gaining popularity. Its a good long term bet that the nexus line will be around a long time.

As for FI, I imagine at some point Google will just up and buy Tmobile or Sprint. Perhaps both and make them what they could be. Both companies have been on the offering block and Google has been getting their feet wet in the mobile business for a bit now. You never know what is up their sleeve but I doubt just acting as a small time MVNO is their end game.

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Samsung used to be a good company. Their phones used to be functional and hell, even open. They started locking down their devices for carriers and playing copy paste with apple. Now, I view thier devices as sub par even if technically speaking they are superior on paper spec wise, Samsung always finds a way to screw it up. Either with locking down bootloaders, removing key features or even just memory management issues. In my eyes they have fallen far from grace. Much like HTC did when they ruled the roost with Sense for those first years and then started recycling **** design, bloating up their software and being cheap on specs then ultimately falling out of favor with the fickle android masses.
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
I sincerely hope that Google doesn't buy T-Mobile. I don't feel like paying 10 bucks for 1 GB of data. I use about 30GB a month, so FI would be by far the worst thing that could possibly happen to my families cellphone plan.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Yes, the old subsidy system was a very bad deal, but I wasn't talking about that, so I'm not sure why it's relevant.

But with the current T-Mobile payment plans the 24 payments I think always add up to exactly the same as the full cost from T-Mobile (which was not the case with the old subsidy plans). So if you intend to get the phone from T-Mobile than what I said is exactly right. They are essentially giving you an interest free loan for two years (in exchange for being locked into T-Mobile's serivce, unless you pay the phone off--but then paying the phone off isn't any more expensive than buying it up front, so if you have the money to buy it up front there's really no advantage to buying it up front).

Sure, for some phones, there are other sources. Nexus phones can be purchased directly from Google (and as you say in some instances in the past Google's price has been lower--I'm not sure it's correct that this has always been the case for every single Nexus phone). With iPhones I believe T-Mobile's price is currently the same as Apple's. So you have to do the math yourself on any particular phone. But I said that. So I'm really not sure how what you said corrects what I said.
[Nexus 6P General] 1SiK1500:
Anyone hear anything new? I just used my Jump Assurant Insurance today to get my screen replaced. They are sending me a Galaxy S6 in place of my Nexus 6! I still have my upgrade but really want to get this nexus through Tmobile... I know this Samsung Phone is going to drive me insane.
[Nexus 6P General] hello00:
unfortunately no news at this moment..i also want tmobile to sell the 6p but i highly doubt they will start selling the phone anytime soon
[Nexus 6P General] PaisanNYC:
The T-Mobile tethering hack is no more. I upgraded my N6 to Marshmallow the other day and went back to 5.1.1. The settings.db file in com.android.providers.settings is not even there anymore, and the hack with the build.prop does not work. I guess John Leguere made good on his promise. Unfortunately, those of us on grandfathered plans with zero tethering and a 6P are not in a good position.
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
I used to use a root app to get tethering to bypass their restriction and it worked very well this summer. I used 700gb+ one month and never got a letter on the mail from them. I don't know if it still works but I can certainly test it out on marshmallow for you.
[Nexus 6P General] PaisanNYC:
Which app did you use? I would definitely love to try it out when the 6P arrives! Thanks bro :)
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
[MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] uses the same app and I don't know if he's tried it on marshmallow yet either but it has worked well for me so far. Here is a screenshot of the app. I'll try to test it out tomorrow for you I need to root my phone again since I haven't yet on marshmallow
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
Also here are screenshots from this summer. My wife and I both used it so combined its 600gn or so for June as you can see
[Nexus 6P General] toyanucci:
Re the unlimited data...its great but 700gb is a whole lot. I understand using it in a bind but most people don't even use that much on their home Internet. To me it doesn't make sense to abuse the system to the point where they up costs or cut off the gravy train altogether but that's just me...
[Nexus 6P General] fatboypup:
You're the guy John Legere is looking for
[Nexus 6P General] Pilz:
I watched a lot of Netflix, hulu etc this summer. I didn't have internet whole away from home so my phone was my goto place for it. I don't know how much of it was consumed on my phone vs tethering but I pay for unlimited so I use unlimited.

I asked T-Mobile if I was using too much data once and they said no you pay for unlimited so its not a problem. Maybe if I used that one 1 device they would care but not when it was combined with 2 devices.
[Nexus 6P General] twoeleven99:
I've had data usage of 300, 400+ GB on tmo back when I didn't know the WiFi pw at work and had to stream all my movies through lte. Now that I'm in WiFi all the time the highest I've seen on my bill is 3.75gb. I'm debating going to Google fi
[Nexus 6P General] sschimel:
Project Fi

You might want top rethink Project Fi since its reviews have been scathing. However, I have read that you can buy the phone through Project Fi and finance it without actually switching service. I remain skeptical about that.
[Nexus 6P General] FuMMoD:
Yeah you can keep your carrier but you still have to pay for project Fi. That's a minimum of at least 30$ a month to finance the phone. That's ridiculous if you're not using the project Fi service. You'll have 2 active lines that way.
[Nexus 6P General] Richie5767:
If you're planning to finance it, then Google Fi seems to be the best bet. Plan wise T-Mobile is better (price wise). I'd keep my simple choice plan rather than shell out $10 per gb of data. I don't know much about the reviews as I am still waiting on an invite, but I heard that they piggyback off of other carriers for their network so signal should be relatively good.

You can finance through Huawei's site if you want to keep your service, but I heard that the finance rates are pretty high so it would be better buying outright than considering the alternative. Other than that, I guess people can wait a couple months for 6P to hit carriers.
[Nexus 6P General] hello00:
if it ever hits
[Nexus 6P General] Poke_N_PDA:
Honestly, if you don't have enough control to save a few hundred dollars and buy a phone that way/sell your old phone out right then you legitimately can't afford a high end phone. It's the same concept as a car loan. It makes so much more sense to just buy out right over leasing or loaning. It has nothing to do with your income and EVERYTHING to do with your financial management skills. I've never had a car loan. The combined income of my wife and I is over 100k, but the newest car we have is a 2008 prius. My car is a 2002 Xterra. Why? because we manage our money well. Smartphones are exactly the same way. If you say you can't afford to buy a $500 phone outright then I'm sorry, you can't afford the phone period. After all, most are spending $50-$80 per month on the service already.
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
Lol - I wrote a check for my last 3 cars - just to see the salesmen drool as I say - you want your name on this?

It's a good feeling
[Nexus 6P General] osi13:
In my situation it's about $200 cheaper for me to pay for the phone in full and go though a reseller like Harbor Mobile. Harbor resells T-Mobile business lines with 2.5GB of data and the same APN as postpaid for $33/month. Plus I get 10GB of data stash data every month for some reason, so it's around 12GB/month for $33. If I were to finance a phone though T-Mobile with a similar plan it would be about $100 a month. One of these days I might get my gf on board with a family plan which would make going direct though T-Mobile a better option.
[Nexus 6P General] hello00:
well here is the thing..there are other things wed rather spend money on for example car parts..i just shelled out $900 on a new spoiler for my car and another $3k for a set of volk racing wheels..all cash...im not gonna shell out $600 for a phone..id rather finance it
[Nexus 6P General] cammykool:
Financing does help. I sold some stuff and was able to scrounge up the cash. But I do agree I would have rather financed it.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
I still think T-Mobile will get the 6P around Christmas, or January. Just a hunch.
[Nexus 6P General] cammykool:
I hope. I wanna get my dad one
[Nexus 6P General] Elnrik:
I'll post this question here, but it might be deserving of its own thread... I hope not.

I was on att, went to Fi to try it (had a odd hangouts issue that made me jump ship), and am now on Verizon (get a good rate with work discount)... I'm now often reminded why I didn't care for Verizon.

Has anyone switched to T mobile recently in the Colorado area willing to share their experience? I'm liking the music streaming and no overages idea, although I'm not sure how expensive adding a nexus 9 tablet onto their service will be.

I'm looking to switch once my 6p arrives.

Thanks
[Nexus 6P General] ishmoo21:
I had little problems in Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs back in 2013. I assume coverage is even better now that they are rolling out Band 12. Unfortunately the 6P can't make use of that yet but should be able to once Google certifies the device.
[Nexus 6P General] Elnrik:
Thanks for your reply. Just a few quick questions: Overall satisfaction was good? No corporate policies screwing the users? Any customer service issues? Half the time its the customer service that ruins the experience... I'm looking at you Verizon.
[Nexus 6P General] ishmoo21:
I've always had a good experience with T-mobile customer service. I'm on the $30 prepaid 5GB Plan and have been loving it. They have a test drive feature where I think you can try out the service and see how it is and if you don't like it they will refund you.
[Nexus 6P General] Elnrik:
Thanks!
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Here's hoping T-Mobile gets the 6P for their ' Jump on Demand ' program. I know Google said no Carriers involved on the new Nexus phones, but I bet some of the carriers will start getting them after the newness wares off.

Especially T-Mobile, who has been the #1 biggest Nexus phone supporter since day one. They have carried every single Nexus phone to date. I remember waiting in line at a T-Mobile store years ago for the Nexus-One launch, and again waited opening morning for the Nexus-S launch at a T-Mobile store. And they also carried the Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6. No other U.S Carrier had all of those Nexus. I think only Sprint had the Nexus-S along with T-Mobile, and then Verizon had the Galaxy Nexus, but T-Mobile had them all.

I'm going out on a limb, that T-Mobile has the Nexus 6P maybe by Christmas time, but for sure early next year, no later than April.
[Nexus 6P General] sitnlow4life:
So the 6p supposed to not have band 12 support on board for T-Mobile .

Yet FI is supported ... I don't understand this at all
[Nexus 6P General] hello00:
they said they are already working on it
[Nexus 6P General] Xandlinger:
Can anyone else share their experiences with sending MMS on their 6P? Mine do send, but it takes 10-15 minutes for the recipient to receive it, where it only took 30-45 seconds on my S6 Edge.
[Nexus 6P General] Smallsmx3:
I have the same problem with my n6 on T-Mobile. I'm always there last one to get and slow to send out group texts
[Nexus 6P General] xrealtalk:
Someone on android central confirmed with a screenshot that band 12 is working on project fi, strange because it runs off of tmobile yet tmobile users aren't getting it..
[Nexus 6P General] Elnrik:
T-Mobile probably won't provision for it with uncertified devices, where as Fi kind of resells it and can provision for whatever they want. That's my take on it. I'm guessing that 12 will become available soon for tmobileites.
[Nexus 6P General] xrealtalk:
I sure hope you're right, I'm in a pretty good band 12 area. Would love to take advantage of it.
[Nexus 6P General] motoridersd:
Is there a firmware difference between the Fi version and the Google store version? I don't believe SIM cards can specify which bands an MNC can access. As far as I know, T-Mobile uses the same MCC/MNC (310-260) across the whole network, be it Band 4 or Band 12. So the only way I can think of them restricting access would be through modem firmware.

On Fi, Emergency calls can fall back onto Sprint's network, so maybe that negates the need for restricting Band 12 without VoLTE support?
[Nexus 6P General] boomerbubba:
I am not convinced by that report. The Android Central user just posted a screenshot with a Band 12 connection. But he never did actually try to use it. There was another post in the Project Fi support forum weeks ago with similar symptoms on a Nexus 6 running Marshmallow. But he later commented that the connection did not actually work, for either voice or data.

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The Google specs for the Nexus 5X and 6P have been edited. They now show an asterisk next to Band 12, and a corresponding footnote (my emphasis added):
[Nexus 6P General] hyl4me:
In case of emergency, I believe the phone will connect to any network that it is able to find.
[Nexus 6P General] motoridersd:
The dilemma with T-Mobile's Band 12 is that customers can find themselves with full bars on LTE Band 12, and if the device is not VoLTE certified, it won't be able to make an emergency call (or any call for that matter).

The problem here is that because of the way a phone searches for signal, the phone WILL have a signal, it just won't be able to make a call (a non VoLTE compatible device on Band 12 will fail to make a call). This is why T-Mobile needs to disable Band 12 in the firmware of non VoLTE compatible devices. With Band 12 blocked, the phone will be able to jump on any other available signal to make an emergency call.

If the devices were smarter to be able to jump on another signal when there is no VoLTE on the current one (with VoLTE enabled), it would also probably be easier to tell a Band 12 compatible device to not connect to Band 12 based on provisioning, or switch to another network if VoLTE is not available. Since this is not the case, that's why I assume that the only way to block Band 12 access is through firmware.

Fi doesnt't use VoLTE, so emergency calls will always drop to 3G/HSPA, thus making it a non-issue there.

TL;DR T-Mobile HAS to disable Band 12 to comply with E911 because of VoLTE (on non-VoLTE-Certified devices), Fi does not, because they don't use VoLTE.

www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobi...ur-network-must-support-volte-e911/2015-08-28
[Nexus 6P General] aiya24:
Are any of you that are on T-Mobile getting VoLTE? I understand we don't have Band 12 yet but we should still be getting VoLTE on Band 4. I've had my 6P for a day and when I'm on calls it doesn't have the little HD icon near the contact's name. I've looked at settings and have "Enhanced 4G LTE Mode" turned on but still doesn't show the HD icon in calls.
[Nexus 6P General] motoridersd:
If you turn off Enhanced LTE, can you make HD calls on HSPA+?
[Nexus 6P General] aiya24:
For whatever reason, I toggled that off and tested still no HD then toggled it on again and tested and HD icon shows up.
[Nexus 6P General] motoridersd:
Odd! Glad it's working. I'm still Frozen, waiting for my Frost 6P to ship. I picked the wrong color for quick delivery :(
[Nexus 6P General] Smallsmx3:
When I call my wife I know I'm in an HD call. I can tell by the way it sounds. The problem is I'm waiting for my revised tempered glass screen protector to come in because the screen stays black in call so I don't know if the HD icon is there