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[LG V10 General] fire3element:
There are other ways to obtain Root that does not compromise the "Users" data.

For example: On Nexus devices, when you unlock the Bootloader it forces a mandatory memory wipe.

Now there could be exploits to obtain Root on these devices that could compromise the personal data stored.

My point is, there are other options to make this possible. BUT the Carriers force the manufactures to abide by THEIR rules, else they refuse to sell that device on their network.

T-mobile gets that, and I believe it plays a big role in a portion of subscribers they have on their network. Imagine if Verizon just out of the blue stopped being hell bent on locking everything down? They would probably gain a substantial number of new or returning customers.

Fat chance in hell, I know.
[LG V10 General] bimzcy:
It's almost impossible to buy a Tmobile phone here in China.
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
The memory wipe protects data was on. The device beforehand. After the device is rooted anything on it compromised.
[LG V10 General] rzap:
I also only buy a phone only after root has been acheived, in my HASTE, I only read the first sentence, How to root the LG V10. So I ran with it, not reading the fine print that it was only for the T-Mobile variant. So here I sit with a Verizon V10, loving the phone but missing root!! I should have read the whole article. Hard lesson!!
[LG V10 General] burnsky05:
Is this the same person who gave [MENTION=5591114]i42o[/MENTION] the .TOT file?

http://xdaforums.com/lg-v10/help/lg-v10-tot-file-t3269178

The same person that [MENTION=2233713]fire3element[/MENTION] may have spoke to?
[LG V10 General] fire3element:
I figured someone would reply this after I posted that. LoL

Yes, after you Root your phone you are at risk thereafter. My point was that someone could not just grab your device and extract the personal data unless there is an exploit to gain Root without wiping.

All the major manufactures could do the same thing google does with the bootloader unlock. Provide an official method for unlock, along with warnings of privacy risk and warranty nullification.

If a user decides to unlock their phone, they need to understand the risks involved. If they choose not to acknowledge those risks and unlock the device anyways... what ever troubles they run into thereafter is on them.

You want to have an open system? Learn the risks involved and how to protect yourself. If not, suffer the consequences of your own laziness. EVERYONE can learn the basic stuff they need to know, no excuse.

You put forth the effort or you do not. Simple as that.

Here is what I don't quite understand. Root is administrative access to YOUR phone. Would you buy a PC that does not give you admin rights? No, no one would (well... maybe the iFruit users LMAO)

With that said, there is a whole mountain of money to be made from smartphone users for personal security. Yeah those companies exist already, but they don't have many users to sell to because it is mostly not needed.

Everyone seems to be after profits now days, so why not allow Root on Android and partner with security firms to rake in more $$$ ? Like how M$oft and McAfee teamed up.

I am getting quite tired of Manufactures and Carriers trying to play GOD. PC and Mac users have to provide their own protection. Android should be no different. Yes it should be secure outside of Root, but that is Admin rights that all phone owners should have. None of this "walled garden" Apple BS.
[LG V10 General] kaluna00:
+1

Interesting... but this looks like the TOT for only the F600L variant. are you saying if this is true... he/she can compile one for all of the other variants?
[LG V10 General] fire3element:
Guys, please do not go bugging this guy. If he is the one that is going to help us, we do not want to scare him off.

Recent events make the situation a bit touchy. Let's hold off for a bit and let the air clear.
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
Don't get me wrong, i'm as against it as you are. And everything you've said is right. But if something happens and some high profile data happens to be stolen on a rooted Samsung device all the headlines will say is "Private data stolen from [company of your choice] while stored on a Samsung device" and it'll be a PR nightmare for them.

I like you idea of forcing a wipe if root is gained or something, granted the people will try and find a way around that wipe too.

But I think a lot of it comes down to the carriers simply not wanting users to have much access. Then you get things like free WiFi Hotspot, which is a paid service on some carriers. You also end up with people doing this stuff and bricking their phones that at&t ends up warranty replacing. Easier for them to just cut it all out. That and they just want control.

I'm sure they have other reasons too.

But still, I agree, they shouldn't have the ability to decide what we can do with phones we purchased and belong to us.

That being now that leasing is the new big thing I'd say the carrier has every right to tell you not to root your device if it's being leased from them, but that's the only situation I'll agree with them on.

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I already talked to the same guy i42o did(around the same time he was). He claims to have a tot for the att variant, but after what happened to i42o's phone I don't see why we should trust him. Seems like bad news to me.

And I believe jcase wants an official tot.
[LG V10 General] kaluna00:
Yes. I wasn't going to contact him... just inquiring... And true. Jcase wants official TOT.
[LG V10 General] The_FNG:
I'm in for $50 to get our dev a Verizon variant, apples 2 apples.

Steve
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
He has an AT&T variant and has stated that he believes that if his exploit works it will work on all carriers.
[LG V10 General] fire3element:
Yeah, Jcase said that the exploit he has in mind should work on all models. After he confirms that is works on his end, I'll contact him and test on my VZ device.
[LG V10 General] MechaMorph:
Honestly I wish people had to take a test to get root access so that they know what they're doing and understand it. Root is so much more then "OMGZ I BLOCK T3H ADS" or "TiBU supa powah!" There are so many people on these boards who should never be allowed to touch a rooted device much less own a rooted device...
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
AGREED
[LG V10 General] drewzee:
Just like, you shouldnt be able to drive a car if you don't know how to replace the engine.

This line of thinking is borderline retarded.
[LG V10 General] kaluna00:
agreed
[LG V10 General] *Madmoose*:
I think the true problem is that most people don't even know what "root" truly is or it's ramifications after it's been implemented.
[LG V10 General] MechaMorph:
Ah I love car analogies and how they never work right.

People know what an engine is. Most don't understand how an engine works so they DON'T screw with it.

We have people who don't understand what root truly is and they DO screw with it.

This is exactly it. So many people don't understand what they're doing. They simply want to block ads and know that root allows them to do that. Outside of that they have zero understanding about what they've really done. There have been quite a few posts in this thread where I would say those users fall into the let's not give them a rooted device because it's obvious they don't have a clue.
[LG V10 General] DieselNY:
I do not have much skin in the game so no need to argue any side, I came from a Note3 that I rooted the day I got it 2 years ago, every Android phone I have had since my Sprint Evo 4g I have rooted and love it. I almost did not want to give stop using the note3 because I like it so much but I was due an upgrade and only like phones with a removable battery and SD card so I left Samsung - and my whole house is full of Samsung devices.

I knew I more or less had once choice and that was the LG v10. I admit I scanned the forum and saw "how to root" and pretty much stopped reading. Then as my phone was in transit and I was reading more I saw that the Verizon v10 doesn't have root yet. Oh well.

BUT what I can say is I love this phone and Lollipop. There are so many things that are stock that I usually need root for or custom launchers. There are only like 3-4 things I miss and want if we get root but I have never been this happy with a stock phone ever before. But I still am hoping for root :)

Things I want off the top of my head: wifi tether without using FoxFi. Being able to install Titanium Backup, being able to customize the multi-window, being able to push apps to the system app folder that are not available to install from play store or side load, get rid of bloat etc. But I love the phone/Lolipop and I can wait.
[LG V10 General] tacotino:
OK well after quietly waiting in the shadows, I have decided to post my excitement. As a longtime Android user and a huge flasher.. This phone needs root.. I'm pumped someone let me know what happens

G2g work love you guys
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
Exactly!
[LG V10 General] Radeax:
I believe this thread is about people hoping for the LG V10 to get rooted, and not wishing for anyone to not root. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

All my phones have been rooted prior to my V10 and I knew this one was going to be hard to root, but I didn't have much time to think about it with the Nov 15 Verizon (and LG promo) deadline. For the only flagship phone with a removable battery and expandable storage, on top of getting a 200gb microSD, extra battery, a battery charger, and a 24" 720p TV (Best Buy promo), and avoiding the $20 Verizon UDP increase, all for $250, I think it was way worth it despite the low chance of getting root. Love the camera too.

I can live without root, but I still want it. I hope the ones who want it for “OMGZ I BLOCK T3H ADS" or "TiBU supa powah!” end up being able to do just that. To each to his/her own, otherwise you're supporting carriers' reasons for locking down phones.
[LG V10 General] fire3element:
I have an idea.... stick with me for a moment.

Google has a great policy with Nexus devices. Development is encouraged as well as official Bootloader unlock supported.

Now when you unlock your Nexus Bootloader, you are forced to wipe the device in the process. That is secure because someone can't grab your device, unlock it, and steal your info. (and if you lost or left your device laying around, that is on YOU anyways)

Yes yes, there could be exploits around having to wipe the device. But so exist exploits for Root that do NOT require a wipe. So I see the Nexus setup wayyyyyy more secure.

What I think needs to happen is, Google needs to force this Nexus policy on all manufactures that use Android.

They can implement it just like Motorola has. Official unlock with disclaimer of warranty nullification and the fact that Moto is no longer responsible for your security. You unlock, you accept the risks.

This will probably never happen, but it is nice to dream.
[LG V10 General] DeadlySin9:
It really wouldn't be difficult to implement ways for people that want root to get it. Carriers are just rude pretty much.

As far as what someone said earlier about having private corporate data or something, if you're in a case where something like that would happen then they'd probably have company supplied devices which get their own security and locks, so they'd be exempt from the unlocking and if they get a root method that works around the company security then they're asking for trouble anyways.

People who root should at least know the risks involved before they dive in, even if they only want it for their adblock or backups. There's nothing wrong with wanting a little more control over the system, you just need to be aware that other people now have more of a chance of getting control of that system now also.

Anyways, I'm excited to be getting this phone, root or not. I made sure I chose a phone I could live without root on, and decided on the V10 over the A9 so I could have something a little more high end. However, if we see root, you better bet I'll be all over it :good:
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
Yea. The corporate data thing was admittedly kinda dumb. But the same thing could happen with just someone getting personal banking info stolen, word gets out, still just as much of a nightmare for the manufacturer.

I'm not defending then locking their phones down, like you said, people need to be aware of the risks.
[LG V10 General] MechaMorph:
Root is easily implemented yes but giving people access to it easily negates any and all security features in Android and in functions added by OEMs like Knox. It also opens up users to a wide range of attacks from multiple vectors. In terms of easy root access for corporate devices most corporations are moving to a BYOD system so no OEMs won't be giving easy access root because they want their devices to work in business environments. As the CISSP and the network admin for where I work I would never let a device that has root built in by default to touch my network in any way shape or form and this includes my own devices. It's simply too risky.

This is the important piece of this whole discussion right here:

That's what I said earlier and it got me called a 12 year old. I never said people should be denied root. I'm a huge fan of people being able to do what they want with their hardware. I just expect people to actually understand what they're doing and what's involved instead of being whiny entitled millennials who simply know that root lets them block ads.

I'll never forget when I was working on my firewall app. It of course needed root because it used iptables. Koush created a new permission (now defunct) so that users could see if an app was requesting root (provided the app declared the permission) before installing it. I of course added that permission and declared it. It then said something like this in the list of permissions: "Superuser - access to all networks and data on the device". The amount of nasty reviews and nasty e-mails I received after that update was astounding. I was being accused of trying to steal user data or some other nonsense. These are people who had rooted devices. These people knew the app required root. Yet they had no clue that root was Superuser or that root was access to everything on the phone.
[LG V10 General] Kilokk:
Honestly... having root on this device is just "ok". No big deal really. A couple of mods here and there are cool, but the lack of development for ROMs for TMobile devices should tell you there probably won't be much developing going on. It's a shame... I like the phone for it's durable feel and screen size, although it would be nice to be able to have better control over DPI. But with the lack of ROMs, I'm thinking of just using Jump on Demand to get something with more active developing going on.
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
So does anyone have a status update for us on rooting this device? anyone any closer to getting a TOT? All my attempts at getting one have turned out to be dead ends.
[LG V10 General] EnIXmA:
None yet
[LG V10 General] TotallyAnxious:
Keep in mind it's a hexacore chip too. So it's not like we can't just pull things from kernels for octo and quad chips, making deving a lot more hands on. The moto x pure only has like 1 kernel dev.
[LG V10 General] dbama1:
I agree. Are there any stand out devices that have been getting devs attention lately?
[LG V10 General] kaluna00:
I was hearing that the octo core chips (810) were having heat issues and that they had to throttle them due to that... so the hexa chips (808) were performing more or less equal to the Octo chips... and were better on battery.

Anyone else heard that?

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Also, Shout out to [MENTION=5591114]i42o[/MENTION] for going out on a limb for the early development of the V10! Thanks! Hope you've been taken care of!
[LG V10 General] burnsky05:
All I want for Christmas is root root root...
[LG V10 General] Evolutionmods:
I've got a kernel built, just waiting ... There will be great development for this device. Just a matter of time.
[LG V10 General] SuhasTheBest:
Do you honestly think so? I thought this phone wasn't selling all that well.
[LG V10 General] burnsky05:
How were you able to build a kernel for a phone that doesn't have root? Is it for the Verizon variant?
[LG V10 General] Evolutionmods:
Yes verizon, source is available, just waiting for boot loader and root. I can't install it yet it's just sitting in my comp
[LG V10 General] burnsky05:
Did you happen to see this? Don't know if this helps at all...I'm guessing it won't since this is from LG and not the carrier

http://opensource.lge.com/osSch/list?types=ALL&search=android_l

LGVS990

LGVS990_Android_Lollipop_V10B

LGVS990SS LGVS990_Android_Lollipop_V10B

LGVS990W LGVS990_Android_Lollipop_V10B
[LG V10 General] Mr. Man:
what's sad is the last 2 times I rooted my g3, vzw shortly released updates that killed the root. so... not to be a pessimist, but even if the brilliant minds that give us root are able to find and penetrate an exploit, good ole Verizon will kill it very shortly. breaks my heart
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
I believe their are ways to stop the auto updates. It's been awhile since I've had a root able phone, but remember seeing posts about stopping for exactly that reason.
[LG V10 General] burnsky05:
Yea with titanium backup you can block the app/service that downloads the updates.
[LG V10 General] kaluna00:
Bazinga
[LG V10 General] Dgsaxhitman84:
Im off work December 24th

I have never need to get my hands dirty with all of my other phones because root was found within days of release...I will be working on this Christmas Eve from 7am until 3pm I am fairly certain I can crack this phone and get this running Root! If I am able I will Post here a link to a video on how to do so to youtube for everyone to enjoy as it has been way too long without root capabilities...There's no way this phone has been locked down this hard if considering other carriers have had no issues....
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
The reason t-mobile "had no issues" was because of the unlocked bootloader. The rest of us have locked bootloaders (as i'm sure you know).

I'm just saying that root hasn't been obtained due to a lack trying....

But by all means, go for it!!
[LG V10 General] Dgsaxhitman84:
I know people have tried I don't blame everyone for trying I have been so busy with work that I havent been able to dig my teeth into the bootloader...As we all know in technology...if its was created it can be broken...and this bootloader will be cracked wide open for all of us to enjoy....Don't get me wrong I may not be the one that finds the exploit here but it will be done I am hoping I get the bounty though :)
[LG V10 General] Kilokk:
I'm going to look into it over the weekend and maybe see what looks good. I'd probably what until the New Year just too see if there are any specials or anything. The One+2 has caught my eye a couple of times, but I also like the S6 Edge+ and it's getting some love too.
[LG V10 General] dlx509:
A new hero... need that we do. Check out the google sheets bounty pledge it must be looking pretty good right now.
[LG V10 General] MysteryEmotionz:
[MENTION=3601255]Evolutionmods[/MENTION] good to see you brother. Haven't talked to you in a minute. Should I dust off my machine and attach this like the m8?
[LG V10 General] Evolutionmods:
I think so pal, you got the v10? If so we can make some moves.. Just put together a new 8 core liquid cooled rig.
[LG V10 General] MysteryEmotionz:
I wouldn't be here if I didn't but you know me I'm still on at&t. I still got my old pos dev box but it's sitting in a closet collecting dust. I haven't done any thing since the m8.

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Let's move this conversation to hangouts in order not to clutter up this thread.
[LG V10 General] dbama1:
Whoahh! Is this for real man? [MENTION=2928365]MysteryEmotionz[/MENTION] and [MENTION=3601255]Evolutionmods[/MENTION] ar the real deal!
[LG V10 General] burnsky05:
I wouldn't mind being part of this or even seeing a live stream of you two at work. This would give me more insight on how root is obtained from the beginning... [MENTION=2928365]MysteryEmotionz[/MENTION] [MENTION=3601255]Evolutionmods[/MENTION]
[LG V10 General] dbama1:
Aaaaaand it's dead again..........................
[LG V10 General] Evolutionmods:
were not rooting the device, we are kernel developers i have the vzw variant and he has att
[LG V10 General] blestsol:
That's not how development works. What you're doing is what annoys developers and hackers and kernel modders. Don't be a thread crapper.
[LG V10 General] dbama1:
I really don't think these "hackers" care if I post something on this message board. Does it make you feel important knighting for them?
[LG V10 General] blestsol:
Naw it's just thread ****ting. And it's frowned on everywhere. Forum etiquette and all that. All that Knighting talk is young as hell though.
[LG V10 General] Absolutezero91:
He's entirely right.

If you don't have anything productive or positive to add to a discussion then just don't add anything. Commenting about a thread being dead is the equivalent of whining.

If you're so concerned about the thread not being active, or people not working on this phone, by all means root it yourself. Oh, you don't know how to go about doing that? Neither do I, that's why I'm not whining about the thread being inactive for a little bit while the people that DO know how to root a phone are working it.

If root is this big a deal to you then you shouldn't have bought this phone knowing it may not ever be rooted.
[LG V10 General] fire3element:
Whoa guys, let's not start this up again. The back and forth arguing is what Mods, Devs, and long-time XDAers dislike.

Let's try to be less cut-throat and be more cheerful.

Notice how the few Devs that have shown recent interest in this device are not using this tread for active development. There is a reason for that.

Simplest way I can put this.... "Be constructive, not DE-structive"
[LG V10 General] eric5949:
You are absolutely right. I can only imagine how bad it would be trying to use this thread for active development, there's just too much idle chitchat and back and forth bickering in here. Everybody needs to just chill and be patient, they'll get it soon.
[LG V10 General] dbama1:
I truly apologize. I can come off as a real a hole sometimes. Well most of the time really. I don't mean to. Thanks to everyone here for all your hard work. I will keep my thoughts to myself from now on and not booger up this thread anymore. Again I sincerely apologize.
[LG V10 General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Thank you for this. It's always great to see when someone can rectify an issue on their own:good:

Lets simply move on from here with patience in mind;)
[LG V10 General] s.whiplash:
Will this work with the LG V10?

SuperSU v2.64
[LG V10 General] miini:
If you are referring to Verizon LG V10, "NO".

The purpose of this thread is to find root for LG V10 other than T-mobile variable.

No root = No SuperSu
[LG V10 General] ericpbritt:
The Note 4 has not been rooted, and is now locked down tight. XDA has given up on it.
[LG V10 General] dornz:
Well get an android thats rootable so???
[LG V10 General] skyhan01:
Root H960 int

Hope to see a root option for H960 internetion variant :)
[LG V10 General] tanked89:
Can anyone here port roms? I have v10 t mobile version and it's a Rom that I had on my LG stylo and LG g4 and I loved it
[LG V10 General] MysteryEmotionz:
I have a couple ideas on gaining root but with out a back up plan to return to stock in not willing to sacrifice my device. I'm sure [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] and any other dev feels the same way. Everyone needs to be patient cause we may not get a tot until marshmallow.
[LG V10 General] jcase:
Yes it has, and so has the v10