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[Nexus 6P Accessories] akenis:
Yeah...that's why I cancelled. I think his preliminary review was more favorable.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Tek Wizard:
I just ordered my 6P. I spoke w/ the Google dudes and they suggested an inverter for my car to charge my 6P, which was kind of disappointing.

I really wish Google thought thru the entire process for this amazing phone.

Is there a verdict on a good solution for charging Nexus 6P when you are on the road??

Also, here is another question: If i ordered this Cable (this is suggested by Benson) and i connected it to my 2014 Toyota's built in USB would it be ok? is it recommended? are they are downsides to that?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] pdubcramp:
What is the final verdict on the Tronsmart USB-C car charger? Benson said it's not compatible, but does that mean I should not use it or simply that it just does not charge at the fastest possible rate? I've used mine a couple of times without doing any testing and had no issues, but clearly not worth risking anything in my car or phone for a $12 charger.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] indianajonze:
that's the same boat i'm in. i should have mine delivered today or tomorrow and i really need one, but i'm so hesitant to use it based on the review plus the guy earlier who said it blew fuses in his car. i have a new car and i love it, same with the phone. if something goes wrong with either because of using this charger i'll go nuts. meanwhile, the reviews on amazon from 5x and 6p customers, as well as the mention on droid-life, say this charger is perfectly fine and works great...
[Nexus 6P Accessories] pdubcramp:
I think the guy who blew the fuse was using a different charger with a USB-A to USB-C Tronsmart cable (and not a Tronsmart charger). I don't think anyone has reported a blown fuse using the Tronsmart charger (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0146FK3G0/ref=pe_825000_114212990_pe_635370_88603980_n_id) with the built-in USB-C. I still don't have any idea what damage, if any, using a "non-compatible" charger can cause though. The technical responses here have been over my head, frankly.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Every automotive stock usb port I've seen tops out at 5v 550ma, well short of the 3a output of the stock wall charger. 3a=3,000ma
[Nexus 6P Accessories] slowpok22:
If you use the proper cable that Benson recommends, using a legacy charger is OK, the problem with the Tronsmart was the cable doesn't conform and u can't detach the C cable that is built in, the other port would be OK if you use a compliant cable, just no fast charge.

I returned mine, and have been using a 12v converter that I've had for years when needing to charge and run electronics on vacation.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] pdubcramp:
Thanks, but what will actually happen if I do use the built-in USB-C that doesn't conform?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] slowpok22:
From Google +

*There's a very clear reason why the charger may very well be damaged, but damage to the phone is a more remote possibility. If the charger is also poorly made and then degrades in such a way that it no longer only provides 5V to the phone but some other voltage, it may damage your phone.

3A is negotiated by the phone at cable attach, but the phone doesn't always draw 3A. When the phone is fully charged, for example, it will draw much less. Typically the charging curve plateaus quite a lot as you get closer to 100% battery, so i would expect lower current draw as you get closer to the top.

The riskiest state would be if you have a fully drained phone plugged into a legacy adapter with the bad cable.﻿
[Nexus 6P Accessories] stuart0001:
I've been using this with the N6P supplied USB A to C short cable in the non QC2 port and getting up to 1300mA

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00SOJA43W/
[Nexus 6P Accessories] SymbioticGenius:
Sounds like you will run the risk of browning out something. I actually have a tronsmart QC car charger that I used on my Nexus 6 forever without issue. If necessary I'm gong to try it on the 6P tonight on the drive home using the cable Google gave us. Funny thing is, this thing is lasting so long I might not even need it.

First day with mine bootloader still locked I'm on pace for 8 hours screen time on a ten hour work day with only 3 hours to go. This might be the first phone that can last me all day without an extended battery or wireless charger.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P Accessories] pdubcramp:
Guess I could use my old charger (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0088U4YAG/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_ST1_dp_1) still, which is 15w/3.1a. I don't think that supplied cable will be long enough for my setup though. Hmm
[Nexus 6P Accessories] akenis:
What happens with the qc2 port?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] stuart0001:
I've ordered a big standard USB A extension cable. I'll see how that affects it.

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I will try tomorrow & report back
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Tek Wizard:
So purchasing a Car charger that just has USB Type A output and using one of the Approved USB Type A to C cables should work ok and safely?

for example the following combo?

Anker 2.4Amp car charger and using i-OrangeE USB cable
[Nexus 6P Accessories] mdmogren:
Yes it will work OK and safely, but not rapidly.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Tek Wizard:
What about purchasing an Anker car charger (no cables, ones with just two USB outputs) that has 2.4Amp out (each port) and using one of the Benson recommended cables? That should be safe for my Phone and vehicle to use? I know that it will not support fast charge as it is not Type C to C, which is fine as long as it is safe to use.

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Thank you!
[Nexus 6P Accessories] apgrovas:
I've just posted a question on the Huawei forums asking Huawei what car charger do they officially recommend to provide fast charging to the Nexus 6P. If you guys have a chance, post in that thread as well to ask Huawei to bring up the issue of not having any such car charger available so that we can either get an answer or even better a charger produced.

The post is here:

https://community.gethuawei.com/devices/nexus_6p/f/64/t/2797
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
That's what I'm doing w/ the Google A to C cable. Works well. Ampere app has reported close to 2400mA charging on it. (It's not an Anker charger, but you get the picture.)
[Nexus 6P Accessories] BlackVariant:
When a proper 3 amp car charger is released, will the out of spec cables (ie. One+) work without posing any risk to the phone or charger?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] chichu_9:
So the question still remains, did we find something we all agree would work, without buying the cable and adapter separate?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dorioo:
It's official. Benson's review is up on Amazon and I need to return this Tronsmart. In Benson we trust.

Benson Amazon Review
[Nexus 6P Accessories] pdubcramp:
That's a shame. Tronsmart got $12 bucks from a lot of people for a charger they can't use. I don't think I have any recourse through Amazon since I ordered over a month ago (and shipping it back isn't really cost effective either). Would be great if Tronsmart offered a substantial discount to those who got stuck holding the bag whenever they do produce a charger that is up to spec.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] SymbioticGenius:
I'm actually shocked Google didn't just make a damn car charger. Even if it was overpriced as usual based on this thread alone it seems that many would buy it just for the security.

I'm using my old Tronsmart QC charger with the Google supplied cable right now and it's working fine for me. Not super fast, but fast enough and I haven't had a chance to test it with low battery yet cause this damn phone just won't die.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Bigal77:
I bought the tronsmart which also has a second port qc 2.0. Works amazing and quick charges

In 20 minute drive went from 45% to 64% while using it on whole time

Def a quick charge
[Nexus 6P Accessories] indianajonze:
are you using the one we're all upset about, the one benson reviewed? i did notice they have a few models running around. if it is the same one we're talking about, can you clarify whether you're using the integrated cable or are you connecting your own cable to the open usb a port and charging via that?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
I have an anker 2 port 24W, phone tops out at 1.5 amps with a certified by Benson cable. You need a new charger to get rapid charing on 6p.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Bigal77:
Oh Damn....missed out on Benson review as i bought this a weeks ago. Really disappointed to hear this. Has [MENTION=6986419]Tronsmart[/MENTION] released a statement about this?? They are usually active on the threads

Ive been using the actual type c port that comes built in the charger. Ive always charged it around the 40% mark........Should i try to get a refund?

I thought being a company like tronsmart with good reputation, i wasnt worried
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
ROTFLMAO!

Leung's review says nothing about use of this charger with the Nexus 6P. It has been demonstrated numerous times including on Android Life that the 6P will draw almost 2.7A from this charger with no issue, not withstanding that the charger does in fact use the wrong resistor in the cable.

What it really says is that the Chomebook Pixel design team apparently made some poor design choices. They apparently, blindly followed the Type C spec without regard to the outside environment and set up a support nightmare for their product

I teach various technical processes to the military. I always have a time when I turn to an officer in the room and ask "COL, will the correct answer to the question "Sargent, why did you march your platoon off the cliff?" ever, ever be "Because the regulations (requirements) said so?" And he will invariably answer "NO"! Then I stomp my foot 3 times and make the point "Sometimes, you have to be smarter than the regulations!" In this case, The Pixel team apparently did not recognize they had a situation where they needed to be smarter than the Type C specifications.

There is a great big difference between a product being designed "to the specifications" and being designed "by the specifications"! The first informs your design to account for the those possibilities among all the others, the second means ONLY accounting for what the specifications cover.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] lemmyslender:
After reading Benson's review on the [MENTION=6986419]Tronsmart[/MENTION] I have a question:

He's using a Chromebook Pixel, that comes with a 60W charger. That would make the Pixel capable of pulling 12A, not just 3A. Is there another resistor for the cables that indicates 12A (or something other than 3A and legacy?

If the Pixel can potentially pull 12A, I'd expect the Tronsmart to fail. 12A>>3A>2.4A. He should really test using a 6P that is only capable of pulling 3A.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dorioo:
That's my concern though. My understanding of the situation is that this charger will most likely work with the 6P as long as it's not very low on battery because the phone won't try to pull as much power. However, if the phone is extremely low on power and tries to pull 3.0A (or whatever it's max pull is.) and the cable can't do it (but its internals are telling the phone that it can), then I might experience the same situation the pixel did.

The pixel pulls a lot more power but, given the right battery situation, the 6P could pull more than the 2.4-2.7 or whatever the cables max is. I don't want to find out what happens then long term or be limited to only using the charger when my phone has enough charge to limit its power transfer rate.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thephatness:
In the military if you ask a buddy if they can deliver 3 amps and he says, "yes", and not only he fails to deliver the specified amount but starts freaking out in the process, would you trust this guy when going to war? Integrity matters.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Not a single review by Benson Leung is in regard to whether the cable works with the 6P or 5x. He is (self identified, not verified) a software engineer on the Chromebook Pixel team. His reviews are a good thing because they give people information that would otherwise not be known. What is not a good thing, is people blindly ASSUMING negative implications with respect to use with some product other than the Chromebook Pixel.

The Pixel charger is 12V @ 5A. So yeah, the pixel might try to pull too much power. Which says nothing about the 6P design.

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The 6P, assuming designed appropriately, will monitor vRd on the buss and not draw more than the charger can deliver. If it tries, the voltage across the buss will drop below reference and the 6P will reduce or terminate the draw. On the charger side, the charger will monitor the current and has resettable current overprotection. So it will interrupt the draw if it get's out of it's maximum setpoint range (usually over the rated capacity). The charger will also have thermal overload protection that will shut it down if the draw is outside it's limit overdriving the circuit.

Don't get me wrong. If you buy a really cheapy charger that does not contain protections and mate it to a really ****ty device it is possible to overdraw a charger. But most chargers today are much more intelligent and so are devices. It's why devices have power control chips. Damn computer just to manage power.

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Like with products, I want the guys that Improvises, Adapts and Overcomes! Apparently, the Pixel isn't one of those products.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] lemmyslender:
I just looked quickly at the Pixel page that notes it a 60W charger. Thanks for the info on it.

I agree he's providing some good information, but leaves some room for question regarding the 6P / 5X. I'm still of the mindset that as long as you have a quality charger, the risk is minimal.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
This reasoning is a perfect example of sophistic logic. Not only does it illogically shift blame, it ignores the source of the issue.

Here is the specification. If everyone follows it, everything goes well and nothing bad happens. Instead, cable manufacturers cut corners and don't follow specifications, and somehow it's Google's fault for "blindly following specs"? That's asinine. IF NOBODY FOLLOWED SPECIFICATIONS, IT WOULDN'T BE A SPECIFICATION! It would be a mere suggestion! And can you imagine what the accessory landscape would look like if that were the case?

Or let me put it into terms you might understand. If the Uniform Code of Military Justice isn't followed and obeyed by a soldier, what happens? Should the UCMJ be considered as mere suggestions? Exactly. Your example of following regulations off a cliff is ill conceived and irrational in relation to bad cables. It may serve you well to prove a point in your training, but here it has no standing.

Quit blaming Google and start blaming the companies who made crappy cables.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
I freely admitted that the Tronsmart cable uses the wrong resistor based on the specs. I will go so far as to bet that companies are producing these cables that way on purpose, hoping to get around the limits on Legacy to Type C cables.

It is clear based on Mr. Leung's comments in his review that the Pixel is so rigid in it's adherence to the specifications that any situation outside the spec could lead to issues. It is incumbent for robust design to account for the exceptions. I have never used a Pixel so I can not comment on it one way or the other. I have used this Tronsmart charger with my 6P (friend owns the charger) and it works fine.

In the real world, Google product manager asks "Why are we having all this support issue with the Pixel?"

The Pixel team replies "Out of spec cables."

The product manager then asks, "Why is Company X's product not having these same issues?"

The answer is, Company X incorporated the spec and then went beyond to ensure it handled exceptions in a graceful manner. Which product would you rather have? The one that starts fires when things aren't perfect, or the one that degrade performance gracefully and still works.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Ketawa:
I'm going to pick up the Nekteck cable USB-C to USB-A cable. It's one of the cables that meets the spec and provides USB 3.0 speeds. I need something longer than the tiny cable that was provided with the 6P.

My question that I haven't been able to figure out following thread (or maybe it's just buried on an earlier page): is it possible to get 2.4A out of this cable using a properly rated USB-A charger in my car? If so, I might just pick one up rather than wait for a USB-C charger to come out. I'm going to be driving a lot Thanksgiving weekend.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
It's possible, but not guaranteed that you get 2.4A out a spec Legacy to Type C Cable and a 2.4Amp rated charger. If you're driving a lot, then charging speed really isn't going to be a big issue. Just put the phone on the charger when you leave and you should always have plenty of juice.

I use the Aukey 2.4A per port dual charger in my Acura TL. The power port is concealed in a compartment in the center console and has a spring loaded door covering it. This charger is so small that when no cable is installed, the spring loaded door will close and when a cable is attached, I can tuck the cable inside and get the console door to close. I use it with a A to Micro B cable with an out of spec micro B to Type C adapter.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
You guys are amazing in your ability to not only ignore the source of the issue, but to justify it's existence.

You state "The answer is, Company X incorporated the spec and then went beyond to ensure it handled exceptions in a graceful manner." Prove it. Show me the problem doesn't exist on the OnePlus Two, and that they went above and beyond in incorporating additional measures to account for improperly made cables.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Ketawa:
You're right, charging speed probably won't be a big deal for me anyway. I typically only need to charge my phone on long trips. I like the design of that charger.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
You guys are amazing in your Google FanBoydom.

I don't have a OnePlus 2, but I prove it every day with a Nexus 6P and an out of spec Techmatte Micro B to Type C adapter (#1 Best Seller and 5 star rated BTW, except by Benson Leung and his religiously devoted Internet Lemmings).
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
It's not fanboydom. It's an expectation that companies will follow specifications so that consumers get products that performs as they should without posing a risk to their equipment.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] ydooby:
I think by now it's highly obvious that Charging Rapidly means absolutely in determining whether a charger can charge the 6P at maximum speeds. Any Joe Schmo's 2A charger can get you a Charging Rapidly status, but only a true 3A charger gives you this:
[Nexus 6P Accessories] pdubcramp:
In response to Benson's review on Amazon, FWIW:
[Nexus 6P Accessories] badbob001:
To me, finding a car charger to charge the phone as fast as possible is crucial due to the work load. When in the car, your phone has these tasks or requirements:

GPS

Navigate

Dashcam

Data transfer over cellular network

Phone calls

Full volume

Full brightness

Maybe others will also include hotspot and music playing. And unlike being at a desk, you can't just suspend one of the requirements because you are busy driving and need everything to be available at all times.

At this point, maybe it'll be easier to just get an Inverter and use the regular charger.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
I get it. But these "out of spec" cables will provide everything the "in spec" cables do and potentially more. In all the reviews I've read, Leung mentions possible fires and damage to the ports because the Pixel might try to overdraw the facing port, but never says that is what happened in any of the tests. What he does say is that the Pixel failed to charge (wouldn't draw any current).

You never answered the main question. Which is a better design: One that degrades it's own performance in a graceful manner when faced with an unexpected situation or one that starts a fire?

With respect to the 6P, the ONLY reason it draws current in through the Type C port is to charge the battery. And there is absolutely no scenario in which battery charging startup MUST be at full power. Therefore, it should never happen! It's simplistic and lazy. It's how we charged stuff with matched chargers 40 years ago. Any product so designed is inferior to a product more thoughtful in how it executes it's functions. And with power control chips able to execute complex logic, there is no excuse.

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I have no idea what the maximum current draw from the battery is from the Nexus 6P (It can't run directly off the charger). But I doubt it is 3A. I guess we could just test the rundown time off the charger with everything going. If it only last an hour...
[Nexus 6P Accessories] akenis:
Like that one!

What current does it draw using non-Spec cable?

Vs.

Current draw with spec cable?

Obviously test at low battery %. Also does Voltage stay stable, or fluctuate?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Never tried the in spec cable because it is too short. Guess I could test it. With an out of spec, best I've seen is only 1900mA, but I only use the car charger to top off. I'll try to test this weekend on this charger with the battery down at 15% or so.

I don't game on my phone and think the battery life of the 6P is outstanding.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
I'm sorry, which of these

leading

questions did you want me to answer?

My answers are:

1) I want a product that doesn't cause a problem in the first place.

2) The better design is the one that adheres with specifications and didn't cause a problem in the first place, which obviously wasn't one of the choices given.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
There was a choice between two different product designs. The fact that the product you wanted to choose apparently has the inferior design didn't make it leading, it made it obvious. Leung tells us if the Pixel encounters a mismatch between advertised and available current, it will terminate the draw (won't charge the device). Others will choose a different design. The market will tell us who is correct.

You really do have a simplistic view of how the world works. What happens when there isn't a specification to tell you what to do? Or the specifications haven't considered all possible scenarios?

I'm just thankful that product designers and engineers are tad more thoughtful. Otherwise, everyday life would be lot more dangerous.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Elnrik:
LOL, how is choosing a product that doesn't produce an issue inferior in design? And yes, my view on some things are quite simple: The product is made correctly and is safe to use, or it's not. Very simple. At the very least, if you're going to make a product which outside of specifications your product should advertise this to consumers so they can make an informed decision.

As for the rest of your questions, my answer is: Quit being an ass.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thephatness:
And let's just end this subthread right here. M'kay?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] andy o:
Most likely won't work. If the cable is to spec the phone will request about 1.6-1.7A max regardless of how high is the charger rating. That's what I always get with a spec cable and both an Anker PowerIQ charger and an iPad 2.4A charger.

But let's have some perspective here. 1.6A is still very fast and will charge the phone regardless of almost anything you're doing short of gaming. We've become somewhat spoiled since Quick Charge 2.0 but we shouldn't forget that most phones without QC 2.0 or USB PD charge at about 1A, including iPhones (though not sure about latest iPhones, I think they still come with 1A chargers?).