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[Nexus 5X General] setspeed:
Last year I was disappointed by the size of the N6, this year i was disappointed by the specs of the N5X, and I refuse to spend another year waiting to be disappointed by the next Nexus. I'm thinking about going with a cheapo (£190/$300) but well-specced Xiaomi Mi4c (SD808 5" 1080p 3GB RAM, 32GB, 3080mAh, or wait another month for the monstrously-specced Mi5 (SD820, 4GB RAM, 64GB, varying rumours for the rest depending on where you look, 5-5.3" 1440p screen, 3000-35000mAh battery, the new Qualcomm ultrasonic fingerprint scanner), which will supposedly cost less than $400/£275.

At half the price, I'm willing to give one of these a shot. Older Xiaomi handsets have had CMod ROMs, so that's all I really care about along with Xposed.
[Nexus 5X General] HankB:
Thanks for the tip. I'm using Chrome on Linux so IE problems are not the issue.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
Yeah a while thread dedicated to crying and complaining as if it's going to change something
[Nexus 5X General] SlyUK:
[MENTION=1749727]setspeed[/MENTION] If the Xiaomi Mi5 has the SD820 processor there is no way it will be coming next month. In order to run custom roms you can only hope that Xiaomi release kernel sources in full, otherwise any rom development will be very buggy (Mi3 and Mi4 are good examples of this).

If however all the above does come true and Marshmallow 6.0 comes to the device as well, my goodness Xiaomi will be the tops.
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
If you don't need LTE, then go for the cheap one

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5X General] eelpout:
I think existing N5 users are questioning whether it's worth another $429 (32GB price) over what they already own. In my mind a couple more cores, better camera and a fingerprint reader (minus wireless charging) might not be enough to cut it.
[Nexus 5X General] Masteryates:
I know what you are getting at. I always thought the LG 5X would put my G2's life in doubt but the price is a little too steep. In many ways I think they could have just took the N5, swapped the 800 for the 808 and stuck in the G2 battery, all for a sale price of $300.
[Nexus 5X General] murfi:
the 5x is certainly an upgrade to the 5.

unfortunately, so are the prices. personally i dont have a problem with 16 gb. i have 16 gb nexus 5, and i never ran out of space. i still bought the 32 gb 5x.

there was just that bitter taste when i clicked on "order", due to the premium price. and that unnecessary extra 15 euro for the usb-a cable.
[Nexus 5X General] cbobb123:
The G4 and Moto X pure both have the SD 808. Wouldn't exactly call that mid range....
[Nexus 5X General] gwertheim:
My N5 is suffering from a memory leak and has slowed down to a crawl, depending on the reviews, I'm gonna go with either the 5x or 6p
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
You're that guy that's disappointed by all phones but can't wait to run a broken CMod ROM. Lol
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
Try Marshmallow. It released today
[Nexus 5X General] setspeed:
Not disappointed by all phones, just disappointed by the fact I can't get a phone with vanilla Android, with better specs and a similar size to my N5. I'm weighing up the costs & benefits of the Xiaomi phones and I think that it's probably worth a shot, even if I end up running the standard MIUI ROM, just rooted. I'm coming round the to fact that perhaps my number 1 priority is battery life, followed by physical size. If I can't have CMod because it's 'broken' as you say, then I'll either adjust or I'll sell and look for something else. But the good part is I won't be out too much money by buying the Mi4c.
[Nexus 5X General] gwertheim:
Haven't gotten the Ota yet
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
Yeah I came off rude, my bad. I just had this debate with another member about CM and I feel like people live in the past with that Rom. It's broke. It's always broke. It's never 100% stable and hasn't been for the last few versions (10,11,12,12.1). Snapshots are close, but there are still broken aspects. That's all I was saying.

The specs of the N5x don't really bother me as much as they did initially. I prefer not to have the most powerful screen gobbling my battery. I'd prefer to use the SD808 over the 810 and it's thermal issues. And I definitely would rather have a SD808 over a SD820, 825, or 900, as none of those chips have been released yet. Idk. It's hard to bash a phone before holding it yourself

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You'll be waiting for weeks for the ota (on some occasions). Just fastboot flash the b1tch
[Nexus 5X General] oskarvlc:
I can't understand why they put an speaker grill without speaker. Greedy movement, it should not cost more than a dollar...
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
Moto X 2nd gen did that too. Speaker grille for the earpiece and speaker at the bottom grille. False impression
[Nexus 5X General] optimummind:
Store display units almost always have burn-in so you shouldn't let that factor into your decision in regards to the S6/S6E.

I've used a Galaxy S2, S4, Note 3, Note 4, and S6E and never experienced any burn-in issues.

If it's in your budget, why not just own both phones? My 2 main phones were the S6E and the Nexus 5 until I sold the N5 & ordered the N5X. One for latest bleeding-edge tech and power and one for pure Android. This combo, for me, has been working out well & is satisfying.
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
My Galaxy S3 had a keyboard burnt into the screen after about a year. My S4 and S6 I only owned for a few months before ditching the s4 for the N5, then getting the s6 and ditching it for my same N5.

Don't get me wrong, if you don't really need aosp, then the S6 is best in class. Even after the moto, and nexuses. The S6 is the sexiest (imo) and fastest phone I've ever used. The battery is just as crappy as the N5, and I just cant get into TW, but everything else was perfect
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
S6 is nowhere near best in class.. Samsung quality has gone way down in regard to actual real usage. Sure their hardware quality has skyrocketed but s6 has overheated issues, battery issues, freezing issues, worse reception than other phones in its class,more force closes than any other phone, Samsung never takes updates well, and they are all plagued with the infamous touxhwiz lag and stuttering.

I work in a phone store and see more Samsung's come in with issues than any other phone.. By a huge margin . and it's not because Samsung simply sells more phones. It's staggering how many more Samsung than other brands come in.
[Nexus 5X General] Tulsadiver:
The Galaxy S6's and edge are great phones (I have two straight 6's). There isn't much activity over there so I have an order in for a Nexus 5X. I haven't had a rooted unlocked bootloader since I had the old Samsung Nexus back a million years ago. Never had so much fun in my life so I'm hoping to relive some of those times.
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
I have to disagree, not as someone who deals with complaints at a store, but as someone who owned the phone for three months.

Obviously the hardware and build quality are WAY better than previous Sammy's, and I prefer their design to any other device, but that's obviously preference.

My S6 NEVER overheated, froze, or had ANY FCs. Yeah, the battery sucked big time, and HTC, LG, and Moto all kick it's ass in that department, but coming from a N5, it felt like a SLIGHT improvement.

Most people don't desire updates to their devices. Yeah Sammy sucks as far as that goes, but carriers suck with that too. And honestly, if the phone works, rapid updates aren't important unless your a geek like us.

I've had the same reception as I've had on all of my devices (I'm on at&t) so poor reception was not noticed, and in fact, the call quality was outstanding.

I also see you forgot to mention its best in class camera too.

Touchwiz does stutter. It always has and probably always will. But, we are talking minimal stutter. Animations are fluid throughout 95% of the OS, only being hiccuped by a couple of functions. Touchwiz has went (remember in my opinion) as an AWFUL skin, to probably the best manufacturer UI to date. I much prefer it over LGs Optimus UI and HTCs Sense.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
Best in class camera.. Behind the g4 and from the looks of it also the 5x/6p
[Nexus 5X General] optimummind:
Yea, I don't mind TouchWiz anymore now that I can theme it to look like stock Google. I'm on 5.1.1 and there is no stutter for me. Normally, I always root my phone but didn't this time for Samsung Pay & it's been awesome.

Well, according to DXO, the S6 is now 2nd best behind the Sony Z5. Right below is the 6P.
[Nexus 5X General] drago10029:
lol I know, I get you. You could just tell people to add feedback. could be helpful for the next nexus phone at least.
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
Lol. Why are u even in this thread? You're talking about phones you don't own based on your cell phone store experience and online reviews. G4 camera is NOT better than S6. I would know, I've had em both lolololol

Trololololol
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
I've owned them both as well. Thank you try again

Deleted the rest of my response.. Your not worth it lol.
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
Then you simply are speaking out of your ass. Simple as that. I think the S6 has hands down the best camera (pre z5 - I haven't seen it first hand). And I'm nowhere near alone. You're definitely the minority. As u are saying the s6 is "nowhere near best of class"
[Nexus 5X General] Gig103:
The 5X will work on Verizon and the N5 won't. Seriously, that's the reason I don't have an N5 right now. And your reasoning above is why I'm thinking about cancelling my 5X order for a 6P even though I don't want a phablet. Have you tried the Android M dev release on your N5? I'm curious how it performs because while I'm not a heavy phone user I don't want to be stuck in the dust in 18 months when 2GB isn't enough. 32GB storage is enough for me though, haven't capped my 16+16 yet.
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
I have a n5, on the official Marshmallow release. Let me tell you, I am glad for this update. Memory leak seems to be gone and it is smooth. I will keep playing with it, but for a phone only having 2GB and being smooth is a good sign

5X pros:

Works on Verizon, like you said

Better camera, both rear and front

Fingerprint scanner

Type C w/ fast charging

Front facing speaker

Android Hub (I feel this is key since it places sensor-related tasks onto a separate, low-power chip instead of on the SoC, potentially saving battery)

Updated Google Camera app (N5 Marshmallow release did not have it included)

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S6 takes great pics, but it oversharpens them. Some pics look kind of...exaggerated and I don't like that. G4 is nice too, not far behind. Can't beat Lumia's one though
[Nexus 5X General] _jordan_:
True on the specs. Couldnt agree more. The n5 was a monster when it was released, and this phone was the first flagship killer.

However, anyone who owns a nexus 5 can tell you the build quality was horrible. The phone feels like paper thin plastic and the sides are so thin the phone is doomed if you drop it.

Specs were top notch in 2013 tho. I hope the 5x is stronger physically but it may not be. Oh well. I'm already used to the nexus 5 ;)
[Nexus 5X General] minnemike:
The exceptions are the camera and sensors - those are elite.
[Nexus 5X General] Ajfink:
Yeah, those, a minor CPU/GPU bump, and quick charging are the only upgrades. Loss of OIS and wireless charging...

...meeeeeeeeh.

I never thought the N5 build quality was too bad, but then again, I never took the back off. Apparently a bunch of people ripped the damn things.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
Everyone keeps crying about losing OIS regardless of the camera that is in the phone.. I think people should wait to see if what Google said about not needing ois anymore is true before calling it a downside
[Nexus 5X General] minnemike:
True - they specifically mentioned that the new camera has enhanced stability apart from OIS. I think it needs to be tested before condemned.
[Nexus 5X General] ylexot:
As a photographer, I'd rather have a better sensor than OIS.
[Nexus 5X General] UnusualSuspect:
I've been through the fewer-big-pixels-vs-more-little-pixels thing before, having been an early adopter of pro-quality DSLRs. Everything else being equal, bigger pixels undoubtedly contribute to higher quality photos. Not sure I buy Google's argument that "higher shutter speeds mean you don't need stabilization", but I'm keeping an open mind.

The camera in a phone is never really a plus or minus for me. I use my phone camera for "happy snaps" of my granddaughters etc, but when I want to take a serious photo I grab a serious camera with a serious lens.

JM2¢
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
I agree, but as someone who would like to do more video taking it was disappointing seeing no OIS.

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
[Nexus 5X General] AssassinGEO:
Ahahahahahah, laughed hard! :D
[Nexus 5X General] _jordan_:
Im seeing a lot of replies where people bemoan the omission of wiress charging but I am not sure why.

I have never met anyone who used a wireless charger. 99% of the people I know use iPhones, so that might have something to do with it.
[Nexus 5X General] ixon2001:
It will have Digital IS which when done proper can actually be as good as OIS.

Take the iPhone 6 Plus for instants it doesn't use OIS for video, just digital and video's come out looking steadier than some phones with OIS when shooting video.

Photo's are a different matter, having OIS in low light does help alot to avoid those blurry pics, even having bigger pixels it still a tiny sensor when all said and done.
[Nexus 5X General] ylexot:
Larger pixels translate into faster shutter speeds. Faster shutter speeds help with both the motion of the photographer and motion of the subject. OIS only helps with the motion of the photographer.
[Nexus 5X General] fkloznica:
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Unboxing india
[Nexus 5X General] minnemike:
Boom! Nice distinction. Cant wait to try this thing out!
[Nexus 5X General] dmudd:
Looks awesome! Cannot wait to get my hands on mine.
[Nexus 5X General] Evo_Shift:
Whoa only 10.67 available memory on the 16GB model. That's 2GB less than the Nexus 5. Glad I went with the 32GB model.
[Nexus 5X General] cabadam:
Which means the 32 probably only actually has ~26GB. Hence my big concern with the 5X.
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
Not too bad for me. On my 16GB Galaxy S5, I use nearly 6GB of space just for apps while all my pics and videos are on micro SD.

That would leave me 20GB or so for the 32GB 5X I ordered. I do the unlimited uploads to Google Photos so all that means is ill just have to not keep as much locally and access more on the cloud. But it definitely shows how apps alone would kill space on the 16GB. And I'm not even a gamer!

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
[Nexus 5X General] cabadam:
My S4 is currently using ~5GB of the internally available 9.6GB. Then I'm using another ~17GB on the sd card. So, using about 22GB total. Assuming similar, that leaves 4GB free on the 32GB 5X (assuming 26GB available). Yuck. While that is technically enough for me TODAY, it does not leave much room to grow. I have to assume apps and stuff are only going to continue to get larger over time.

Hmm, looking over what is on my SD card, if I assumed I was NOT going to root, run Nandroid backups, etc, then I could kill the TWRP backups (I have 2 backups currently accounting for 8GB). Kill the ~2.5GB of ROM zip files. And kill the ~2.5GB of titanium app backups (no point in backing up the apps if I can't backup the data too). That would give back another 13GB, not a shabby number and would make me feel a lot better about it. But I'm not sure the initial assumption was valid.
[Nexus 5X General] Spitfire:
Even if you root and want backups, you can store some externally to free up space. As long as you have the latest backup before a flash on phone you should be ok. 32 is still pretty low these days, though.
[Nexus 5X General] graffixnyc:
I'm not really underwhelmed. I do wish it had an extra gig of ram and came in a 64gb version though.. How I see it is this. The 808 is a good chip. It's used in the g4, moto x and a few other flagship devices.

Last year people complained that Google made a phone too big and too expensive.. This year they answered that by also making a smaller affordable device.

Let's not forget.. The Nexus 5 is probably the most loved nexus device.. Yet does anyone remember what they said about it when it came out? That it looked dull, boring etc...especially comparing it to the premium looking n4 the year before it..

A lot of people still use the nexus 5..its no slouch and still performs well (minus the poor camera and battery life)..

What have so many n5 users said? "if the nexus 5 had a better battery and better camera it would be the perfect phone" well.. Isn't that what Google gave us? A slightly updated version of the n5 with a better camera and bigger battery?

People are going to complain no matter what.. You can never make everyone happy. I also ordered a 6p but I'm more excited about my 5x coming than my 6p..thats for sure.
[Nexus 5X General] tavcsor:
Do not expect nexus 5 performance on n5x. 64 bit android is laging like hell on 2GB devices (nexus 9, moto x play etc). 3GB ram is a must for 64 bit android.
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
Wouldn't Marshmallow help in the performance? Marshmallow did improve the n5 quite a bit
[Nexus 5X General] tavcsor:
Very unlikely. N5 runs 32 bit android with significantly smaller memory footprint. Marshmallow still sucks on nexus 9, because of the 2 GB Ram. Multitasking will suffer heavily: annoying reloadings everywhere:(
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
Doesn't the n9 have a different SoC? I am hoping Qualcomm didn't screw up the speed but I will reserve my judgment when I get the phone

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5X General] tavcsor:
N9 has a faster soc than n5x. Multitasking responsiveness depends on ram, not soc.
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
A Nvidia built chip would be the same as a Qualcomm built chip? Wouldn't the architecture or whatever it's called be different, so different performance?
[Nexus 5X General] blinkin:
That sucks if it's true :/ Let's wait for the final hands-on...
[Nexus 5X General] btort1:
No proof? You can't just make that assumption on a phone that hasn't shipped yet :eek:
[Nexus 5X General] pnut22r:
I'm sorry, I usually don't challenge comments, but you cannot compare a 9in device with a 5in device with different cpu.

Also, of course there's a difference between 3gb and 2gb of ram, but not because of the 64bit chip. For 64bit to truly make a difference you need over 3.2gb of ram, otherwise the performance of the ram between 2gb and 3gb is the same.

Also, clearly the iPhone has been running fine in 1gb of ram with a 64bit chip for 3 generations now.

What matters more is how well Google and the CPU manufacturers work together to optimize the software.

You cannot say the N5X will be laggy because of 2gb of ram and a 64bit chip because your only other comparisons are not fair.
[Nexus 5X General] graffixnyc:
The N9 is also pushing way more pixels with that same 2gb of ram than the N5X will. I'm sure that makes a difference as well.
[Nexus 5X General] murfi:
frankly, at least for marshmallow i dont expect a notable performance difference between the 5x and 6p., other than in benchmarks.

while the hardware is weaker, i think and hope the lower screen resolution compensates for that.
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
The battery will most likely be the only difference... And it will likely be a big difference. That's half of the reason I'm getting the 6p... That and the metal build. As far as performance, I doubt there will be any noticeable difference
[Nexus 5X General] blinkin:
Wouldn't we so sure about the battery difference. Next week we will know more :) (at least about 5x)
[Nexus 5X General] RidinNerdy:
Metal build + 2k screen (pushing more pixels) + Snapdragon 810 v2.1 chip.. = heat smh good luck bro
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
Don't forget the 0.5 inch larger screen too. I think the 6P will have better stand by battery but not drastically better screen on time.

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
I would be shocked if the 6p had better battery life than the 5x in terms on screen on time

1080p uses less battery than quadhd

Smaller screen uses less battery

Look at the LG g2 vs the LG g3 for example. Battery life on the g3 was shlt compared to the g2 because they added a bigger quad hd screen.

Standby time will most likely be better on the 6p though
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
Lol OK thanks. Best part about me is I get to wait and watch all the guineas before making my decision. Good luck testing
[Nexus 5X General] [hfm]:
iOS is not Android though. Given that, marshmallow seems to be running just fine on 2GB on the N5. I'm extremely pleased with it. I've got almost 7 days of uptime and it's fantastic.
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
Well the 6P does have a huge 3450 mAh battery. 28% larger than the 5X. Even with the bigger screen, more pixels, and the 810, it should have some better on screen time. That would be very disappointing for 6P owners if it was only the same.

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
i have no doubt in my mind that the 5x and 6p will have either the same screen on time or the 5x will have better.

the bigger battery is there for a reason. that huge 2k screen rapes battery life. especially at that larger screen size. my last two phones were 2k screens and the screen on time battery life is garbage compared to 1080p screens

on that note. poeple who bought the 6p bought it for things other than the battery. i dont think anyone bought the 6p because they think battery life will be better
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
Actually that's one of the reasons a lot of people buy larger versions. The Note 5, 6 Edge Plus, and 6 Plus all have better life than their smaller ones.

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
[Nexus 5X General] ghettopops:
I cancelled my 6P order and nabbed a 5x. I currently have a 1+2 and to be honest I really don't have a need to go larger. One of the reasons I loved my N5 was form factor. I want the 5x go replace my 5 and will keep my 1+2 for the larger screen.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
thats not an accurate comparison though. all of those phones do have better battery life than their smaller versions. BUT with those models, the larger and the smaller verisons both use the same 2k screen type.

people dont realise how much of a difference the 2k screen makes on battery life.

i come from a nexus 6. it was common in the nexus 6 world for people with rooted phones to modify the screen resolution down to 1080p instead of the quad hd. doing this would practically double the battery life.
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
True. I just don't see something happening like the 5X having 4.5 hours SOT and the 6P having something less at 3.5 hours. Guess we'll just have to wait and see the reviews and battery tests.

Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
[Nexus 5X General] fix-this!:
the 6p despite the large battery wont last that long with the high display resolution.

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yeah well the nexus 5 had some of the worst battery life ive ever seen on a smartphone.

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no 4gb is a must for x64, just as in computers.
[Nexus 5X General] [hfm]:
To hear Google's estimates. They say 15 minutes of charging gives double the usage time on the 6P. I am betting the 6P is going to beat the 5X on battery life pretty handily. We'll see in official reviews.
[Nexus 5X General] clninja:
they say that because of how fast charging works. it charges more rapidly at lower battery percentage. with the 6p having higher mah. it is in the fastest charging state for a longer period of time, therefore hitting a higher percentage off of that 15 minute charge. real world results are always different than a spec sheet
[Nexus 5X General] H0tep:
Agreed. Huge battery, metal build, 3gn RAM. Those are why I'm getting it over the 5x. I might still grab both at some point, but 6p first