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[Nexus 9 General] TheMuffnMan:
I assume you've done a full wipe and ruled out it being a software bug?

If the company is offering to RMA a defective unit in favor of a non-defective one and you turn them down how is that Nexus/HTC/Android/whomever's fault other than your own?

Other than the backlight bleed I don't have too many issues with my Nexus. And that was purchasing a refurb scratch/dent 32gb model from Amazon Warehouse for $290. Is it what I'd expect for a $290 tablet? Absolutely.

I'd consider an iPad Air 2, but those guys are $600 and won't sync up quite the same as all my other crap. Or alternatively the Mini 4 ($500).
[Nexus 9 General] RickInHouston:
Mine is on Preview M unencrypted. I really like it. My 10 is a fine tablet, as well. The 7's I've had I've never really liked.

The apple tablets I've tried seem no different to me. I've even changed my Window animation scale 1, Transition animation scale 1 and Animator duration scale 1.5 and it acts just like an apple tablet.
[Nexus 9 General] kdoul:
The freeze on OP's video is caused by an undervolt-powersave thing. It has been reported many times and only an RMA can save you from that.

The RAM deficiency is caused by the one and only Chrome that consumes a ****load of ram on any platform. It fills my G3's 3 GBs of ram in just 5 tabs.

Just use another browser.
[Nexus 9 General] nolook:
ive got a sluggish n9, backlight bleed and a few reboots. battery life is weak...

love aspect ratio though and still think this is still a good tablet overall...
[Nexus 9 General] osiris355:
There is no way anyone that is happy with this tablet uses multiple profiles on a regular basis.

If you fresh boot and sign into one user things are ok... not horrible or super fast but ok. Sign in to an additional profile and the tablet goes to complete hell. Stutters, stalls, crashes, etc.

Really sucks because its shared between myself and my girlfriend. This has been the case since 5.0.1 through 6.0 preview 3.
[Nexus 9 General] celkin:
People are never happy with what they have. Yes the tablet has a few issue here and there. Very little consumer grade electronics are "perfect" there will always be something that bugs you.

I like this tab, took a little tweaking, as it usually does with any device to reach the standards of a "current XDA'r".

But at the very LEAST i would disagree with this being a tab to avoid.
[Nexus 9 General] osiris355:
No offense but your optimism does not apply here. Get off the koolaid
[Nexus 9 General] RickInHouston:
The incredible pessimism doesn't apply here, nor belong, either. Get off the juice.
[Nexus 9 General] osiris355:
His post is misleading and mine is not pessimism when its reality. Everyone knows this tablet has issues worse than typical bugs or hardware annoyances.

Edit: I just finished flashing 6.0. I can't believe I am saying this but it looks like google has finally fixed most of the performance issues. I can finally load up multiple profiles/chrome browsing and it doesn't start hanging/crashing. 1 year later and they finally got it right. Too bad it still heats up when gaming but that's not as big of a deal.
[Nexus 9 General] benjmiester:
I love mine personally, there is a tiny hint of backlight bleeding but it's hardly noticeable. Battery life isn't that great, but that's the only downside for me. It always gets me through 2 days of use anyway since I have a phone for other functions. I also would gladly take a slight issue or two for the vastly superior sound setup for media consumption. Apple could maybe get my buck if they integrated FF speakers, and good ones at that. Until then the Nexus is the best for me. I was also thinking about the Asus 8.0 too, it looks good but it's too damned small. I actually think my Nexus is a bit small too, but it's the biggest and best tab I could get for under $300
[Nexus 9 General] kyyummy:
I've had all sorts of issues with my Nexus 9. Software is better now than it used to be. But up until 5.1.1, multitasking made me want to kill kittens. It's more usable now with the latest 5.1.1 revision on the Pure Nexus ROM and Fire kernel. Except for Chrome, even XDA makes it choke. HD video performance is hit or miss, MX player with Tegra plug-ins was OK and other media apps stutter with high bit rates. I'm not on M now but when I tried it the battery life improved so there is that to look forward to.

The screen bleed on the bottom has gotten worse.

I learned my lesson and won't buy Nexus products again till they are on the market for a while and are thoroughly reviewed/patched.
[Nexus 9 General] alose:
Stock feels a little clunky on the Nexus 9. Installed CM and it feels much smoother. Overall, I am fairly pleased with mine.

Then again, I do not use Chrome, rather I use Firefox with Adblock+.
[Nexus 9 General] knitler:
I have has both gen 7, and now the 9. I have also had iPads' and a Sony Tablet.

The 1st gen 7 was my favorite. Its form factor felt the best in my hand, the 2nd while faster was uncomfortable to hold. I'm not an Apple fan but work gave me an iPad 2. I rarely used it. Seemed okay. The Sony Z3 Tablet Compact has AMAZING quality. I just wish I could put AOSP on it, not a fan of the Sony tweaks, but over all its made from great materials and its very smooth to operate.

The 9 for me has been great so far. I did the following as soon as I got it, these are things I generally do to EVERY Android device when I get it.

* Change DPI to the screens native DPI (288 in this case)

* Added a line in build.prop to enable hardware UI rendering. <-- not sure if this is really needed anymore so I continue to add it until I'm told its not.

* Hard code the DNS used to the Google DNS servers

* Set all animation scales to .5

* Force GPU rendering to ON

I have never had any crashing or RAM management issues. I DO have the light bleeding issue, but not bad enough to really complain about.
[Nexus 9 General] Chyeo1979:
I like Nexus 9 form factor and simple design, but performance and battery life definitely must improve.

If it can be as as smooth as my G4 I'll be happy (and I dun even feel G4 is the best Android out there). Also, no tablet should have a worse battery life than a smartphone, and this is unfortunately one of them.

For next Nexus tablet won't avoid, but will definitely wait for all the reviews to make a decision, not giving google the benefit of the doubt anymore.
[Nexus 9 General] Semantics:
Just to clarify, don't assume that HTC will replace your tablet. I've sent mine in 4 times for repair, gotten the same tablet back each time the day after they received it, and it still has the same issues. I'd welcome a new tablet, instead of having to do this once a month.
[Nexus 9 General] Al-Azraq:
Many of the problems are related to Chrome, which a big battery and RAM consumer and many of us uses the tablet for browsing most of the time. Give a try to other browsers.
[Nexus 9 General] pockets6794:
I haven't had as many issues as some users but I wouldn't say I love this N9.

I have some minor screen bleed but it's only really visible on boot up and if the brightness is max while watching a video. I haven't had any back flex but I do have the squishy buttons which isn't a deal breaker for me. However, HTC seems to have used the crappiest glass available at the time. I've never had a scratch on any of my device screens beside very minor, only visible at the right angle hair line scratches until now. This screen scratches like it's made out of paper. I've kept it in a case almost the entirety I've had it and only take it out to work with me very occasionally but I have several severe scuffs and some quick nasty looking scratches.

I haven't had any of the weird software issues a lot of people seem to have experienced so the actual day to day use is quite good.

All in all I wish I had waited before ordering this tablet. I liked the Nexus 7 devices but missed the iPad screen ratio and size so jumped at this when I saw it. Sadly, it's yet another Android tablet that could have been great but was ruined by rushing it out and not considering it fully.

It's 2015 and I still have not found a single Android tablet that I could say matched my generation 1 iPad in terms of quality. Now Google seems to have given up on the tablet software experience i'm afraid we'll never have a worthy Android tablet.
[Nexus 9 General] madbat99:
Gen 1 iPad? You are very wrong there bro. Lol. But Google has not given up, read up on that pixel c. Looks like a beast.
[Nexus 9 General] pockets6794:
I think the Pixel C looks incredible. It's got great specs too. I think it'll be the best Android tablet so far but I'm worried because a good portion of apps look crappy on my Nexus 9. There's so much white space and stretching that I can only imagine they'll look even worse on a screen the size of the Pixel C.

When I compare it to the iPad 1 I had I meant to it mean it was a good all round experience throughout the time I had it and it feels like whatever Android tablet I use I'm always compromising on something.

The nexus 9 should have been a great device but I think it was average at best. Not that I don't love mine and use it all the time.
[Nexus 9 General] donloki:
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[Nexus 9 General] madbat99:
Yeah, this thing is nowhere near what I expected. It could have been great, but its crippled somehow. My old nexus 7(2013) seemed so much better. I agree with compromise on Android tablets. But with iPads the compromise is ios. I can't stand ios. Plus you have to use all of Apple's crap to hook them to anything. ITunes... (nuff said there). No bit torrent, etc, etc. So saying an iPad has no compromise is very inaccurate.
[Nexus 9 General] Masteryates:
I totally agree. Downloading via BT and then watching using MX player is what Ipad owners can only dream of. :angel:

Yes, I think the N9 is crippled is some way. If someone came up to me with a Nexus 7 2013 with a 9" screen and SD800 Soc, I'd swap in an instant. :eek:
[Nexus 9 General] Masteryates:
I totally agree. Lots of chrome beta tabs reloading and launcher redraws. :p

Now using Habit Browser and the redraws have disappeared. Pages seem to load so much quicker also. This tablet is now starting to have that Nexus level of performance. :highfive:
[Nexus 9 General] peterk-1:
Unless I'm missing something look here http://developer.sonymobile.com/knowledge-base/open-source/open-devices/list-of-devices-and-resources/

AOSP for Xperia™ Z3 Compact

Check out the AOSP for Xperia Z3 compact project on GitHub.

Download AOSP Marshmallow (Android 6.0) binaries.

Download AOSP Lollipop (Android 5.1) binaries.

Download AOSP Lollipop (Android 5.0.x) binaries.
[Nexus 9 General] Kyuubi10:
Hi guys, since I found this thread highly interesting and I own a N9 I decided to add my 2 cents:

I find that the N9 is not that much worse than all other Android tablets unfortunately. N9 has had quite a few issues, but in my opinion once I rooted it and installed Custom ROM and Custom Kernel things worked quite fine. Number of bugs lowered incredibly. But for those unfortunate enough to still be on stock, I recognize the nightmare they are part of.

But personally my greatest complaint unique to the N9 is that it has a Dual-Core CPU. When was this ever a good idea?

On the other hand "quite fine" is not the standard we are looking for, we would rather prefer amazing, but I find that this is an issue with Android tablets in general.

I made a rant here about the problems technology is facing nowadays, and one of the biggest things I complained about is tablet hardware.

I am disappointed that tablets have the same amount of RAM as phones, when tablets have at least twice the space. Battery is understandable, that while it has a bigger battery it also has a bigger screen to compensate.

This itself shows that tablets don't have the same attention as phones in general, and it annoys the hell out of me.

Build quality will come eventually as competitions steps up, but first there needs to be a stronger focus on how good a tablet has the potential to be.

If I had any knowledge of how to create a tablet or knew anyone with such a knowledge, I would start a kickstarter campaign to build high-end tablets with a huge focus on both extreme specs (maybe not screen, as to save battery) and high build quality.
[Nexus 9 General] StilsonCanyon:
I have this issue currently with the 8" Samsung Tab A that I have currently. If I browse a page, switch tabs and then go back after a moment, the tab will reload. My M9 is far better at multitasking than my current tablet, so when I had the opportunity to buy a Nexus 9 today, I jumped on it. Now I am thinking the issue may be with Chrome and if that's the case, then I will dump Chrome and move to Firefox or another browser. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that other tablets have this issue when running Chrome.
[Nexus 9 General] Josh_K:
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[Nexus 9 General] cables2590:
Yeah I think it's chrome taking too much ram... On my M9 and nexus 6P chrome works just fine, but in my Nexus 9...well not so much... I actually uninstalled the chrome and using the dolphin browser... So far it has helped and the home screen doesn't refresh as much either...
[Nexus 9 General] nolook:
my launch model n9 just started doing this yesterday...getting replacement from google (almost out of warranty too) but at this point i might just sell it and try something new like samsung s or s2...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeMGLsyrjVU
[Nexus 9 General] Masteryates:
I tried Dolphin and still had some issues. Habit browser is a pain to set up initially but the performance is excellent. Tabs don't refresh either. Once you've used Habit, there is no going back and the Nexus 9 feels like a Nexus for the first time. :highfive:
[Nexus 9 General] cancertoast05:
I plan on doing exactly this, this weekend. Any other tips?
[Nexus 9 General] harri__s:
Coming from soon after launch deserted Asus tf201, my N9 doesnt feel that bad. Im mostly annoyed by not being able to stream screen with any cable, only wirelessly with chromecast.

Ironically while writing this post the device started to lag really badly.
[Nexus 9 General] HansiHusten:
Well I cant tell anything negative about my N9 but the light bleed. Everything else for me is great and I have 'some' past with devices. The weight is OK imho and with Android 6.0 its butter smooth.

Until now everything is great *knock on wood* Would buy it anytime again for the price I got it. (250€)
[Nexus 9 General] paztine:
Jumpin..

I am not about to purchased this tab but the right moment drop in I heard about alot of issues with this tablet after launch. So decided to wait till the dust settled in I won't pay that amount of money on a tab with so many problem. And last week I purchased this thru HTC fire sale for $287 32 gb. I think this should be the right price when it first came out its still a very capable tab and with future support from Google this is a steal. So far I don't have any issue with the tab I guess I have the newer batch.
[Nexus 9 General] Nidstang:
I am starting to think it is something other than a RAM issue.

My Nexus 5X is also 64bit, also has 2 GB RAM, also runs 6.0, and also uses zRAM. I am running virtually the same apps on both, except the 5X runs an email app to sync with my work email that I don't run on my N9 -- so the N5X runs a heavier load. Both show similar memory usage in Settings.

Despite that, my N9 can only keep 3-5 Chrome tabs open without refreshing (and, prior to 6.0, could only keep one tab w/o refreshing). My N5X has no problem keeping 5+ open w/o refreshing.

Both devices are bone stock.
[Nexus 9 General] Masteryates:
That's very interesting. I've been put off the 5x thinking that 2GB is not really sufficient for 64bit devices due to my experience of the 9. On the other hand, habit browser on the 9, uses way less memory than Chrome and doesn't have the tab refresh problem.

I'm starting to wonder if even Google understand the issue with this tablet as they haven't sorted it out after a year. :eek:
[Nexus 9 General] ewa12321:
My S4 Active with 2 GB RAM and 700-800 free, 32bit system doesnt keep any Chrome tabs even when switching between them so i don't think thats 64bit, RAM or resolution issue. Its Chrome issue! Its very bad made app
[Nexus 9 General] Nidstang:
FWIW, I have been thrilled with the N5X. Some people complain about the battery but I am able to get 24hrs with 3.5-4hrs SOT, which is all I need. I know it is more expensive across the pond but I think it is a great phone. Anandtech just posted an incredibly in-depth review that you might want to check out.

As to fixing/improving the N9, I don't think they sold many and I doubt it is a priority for Google. I actually rather like my tab and get a lot of use out of it but the tab refreshing thing is frustrating.
[Nexus 9 General] jamosjamos:
I have a Nexus 9 (actually my sons) that has the same issue with the screen dissolving to a random assortment of pixels and a high pitch noise coming out of speakers. It requires a reboot to make it go away. It happens mostly while watching videos or playing graphic intense games when the battery falls below 60%. It is pretty easy to recreate and happens often if he lets the battery drop below 60%. We shipped it back to HTC for warranty work and they shipped it back indicating it was fixed. It was not fixed. Same issue. It happens on 5.1 and 6. I have not yet tried anything but stock kernel or rom. It's not even rooted yet. I was thinking of trying to underclock with another kernel. Any advice based on experience of others would be appreciated.
[Nexus 9 General] madbat99:
That is definitely hardware issue.
[Nexus 9 General] ode_:
Dirtyunicorns v9.7 official and kernel adiutor, lot of tweaking and 10h SOT, no tab problems on chrome.

My setup screenshotted on attach.

Stock Rom gives only headache to me, similar disappointments what people are writing here, DU with tweaking made my N9 usable.
[Nexus 9 General] badwiring:
I'm a tablet junkie. I've had galaxy tabs 2 and pros, every nexus tablet, a transformer prime, lg g pad 8.3, a Toshiba Excite 10, and I'm probably forgetting one. Xperia S and Z.

I can't see what's lacking or wrong with this tablet. It's really fast. The display is great. Lots of dev support. Battery lasts all day, longer on M (DU test build. ) I've never owned a tablet or tv without some light bleed.

Why would anyone avoid it's unnamed, unavailable, unreviewed successor?
[Nexus 9 General] Al-Azraq:
Just use Lighting Browser and see how many of your problems disappear. Chrome for tablets performance is awful both in battery and memory and, as many of us use the tablet for browsing, it seems that this is a bad device and it is not.
[Nexus 9 General] Masteryates:
I totally agree. Leave Chrome behind and you problems also......

I now use habit browser and 288 dpi and now have good performance and battery life. :victory:
[Nexus 9 General] di11igaf:
All things being equal OS wise vs the nexus 5x the nexus 9 is a little worse off memory wise which explains what you're saying. The n9 off the bat loses 128 mb of ram that is dedicated to the cpu. This is specific to Denver and how its cpu works. It uses 128mb of ram as cache to store optimized code to be on tap and reused when needed. This ram can never be accessed or used by Android.

On top of that, the n9's higher resolution and gpu are gonna have more ram dedicated to it. So that 2gb is more like 1.5.
[Nexus 9 General] Archtects:
Can't say I've had any issues. Once I upgraded to marshmallow. And the shuved a Rom on it,in waiting for dirty unicorn to come out of testing with they Rom lol, I seen no light bleed. Battery life is pretty good. If I'm honest. It's not best granted but it's pretty good. I find the speed is good. I never use chrome so I have no problems on that front. In general it's a goood tablet. And worth the money if you got the 16gb from argos for £180 quid lol. Don't think it's quite worth the 300 odd quid they want.
[Nexus 9 General] di11igaf:
Why does it sound like we're going down the exact same road with the new pixel c? http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9869980/google-pixel-c-tablet-review-android

He makes it a point to basically say lag killed this pixel for him. I was gonna get the pixel on launch because the performance of the nexus 9 is embarrassing. Maybe if you've never used an older nexus like the 4, 5, or 7(2013), the lag with the 9 may seem normal to you. But its not-- this thing lags like old touchwiz.

Now the first pixel review, same thing. Every nvidia device I've EVER owned has had horrible lag, going back to the moto atrix. The transformer, transformer 2(first quad core tablet--lagfest)nexus 7 2012, nexus 9. I really hope that review is wrong, but somehow I'm betting its not.
[Nexus 9 General] jm700wx:
I have to agree. My Asus Transformer TF300 had a Nvidia chip and the lag was horrible. My 1st gen Nexus 7 had a Nvidia chip and the lag got so bad it was unusable. This Nexus has a Nvidia chip and the lag is there (although it is usable) My Nexus 10 (Samsung chip) is still purring along without issue. My 13 Nexus 7 still flys (Qualcomm chip). Since the Nexus One I have had every Nexus device made (except the new 5x) plus a few Samsung and HTC devices and the only ones that really lagged to the point of not wanting to use them have been the ones with Nvidia chips. Contrary to that, most folks that have the Shield love it and see no lag. Either way, this will most likely be my last Android device with a Nvidia chip.
[Nexus 9 General] Nidstang:
Thanks for this -- very interesting/helpful.

I just read this review of the Pixel C. He says that the chrome tab reloading issue is still present on the C "more often than not" even though it has 3 GB of RAM. I am not an expert at these things, but it sure sounds like it is something more particular to Nividia and less about just the amount of RAM available.
[Nexus 9 General] badwiring:
Could you describe what the lag is with a very specific example? I'd like to see what I notice compared to other devices in the household.
[Nexus 9 General] badwiring:
On CM13 now. My N9 is so fast I'm not going to post this until tomorrow... and it went back in time!
[Nexus 9 General] hyperspacey:
I had the same problems with the Shield tablet as I do now with the Nexus 9. Basically the Tegra K1/ X1 processors do a just-in-time recompile of the application to the Denver's own instruction set (it's called "dynamic code optimisation", and is one of the tricks that makes the Tegra SoCs really good for game applications), and switching between process has a delay if they've been kicked out of RAM due to recompilation time (which since the Shield Tab/ Nexus 9 both have less RAM than would be ideal happens a lot).
[Nexus 9 General] techman56:
Me too!

My Nexus is doing the exact same thing! I'm sending it to HTC today to either get it fixed or get a new one. Until the problem started, it was the perfect tablet. I have no idea why you are so angry with it, but until it happened I had none of the other problems. Mine, although it didn't charge quickly, still didn't charge as slowly as some people say. Mine had no light bleed or any of the other problems that they have been having.
[Nexus 9 General] laureanop:
I have to admit since the 6.0.1 update plus my switch from Chrome to opera the performance has increased quite a bit
[Nexus 9 General] Masteryates:
Its probably little to do with 6.0.1 and hugely to do with dumping chrome for opera. Habit browser takes forever to go through the options but then flies in operation. Refreshing tabs are a thing of the past. :highfive:

Performance is still nowhere near a Nexus 5 on 4.4.4 though. :crying:
[Nexus 9 General] Hamm1701:
Going to chime in and say I'v been happy with the N9. The only thing I can think of besides whats mentioned here is gifv files 90% of the time dont load. So i gotta delete the v and try again. But that is all petty. Love this tablet.