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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] patriotaki:
The new Xiaomi device was announced ! I found this phone on pre-order this means the phone will be released very soon.

Here are some of the main specs of the phone :

5.0inch IPS touchscreen, FHD 1920x1080 pixels

Snapdragon 808 64-bit Hexa Core, GPU: Adreno 418

MIUI V7(based on Android 5.1), 3GB RAM + 32GB ROM

Dual micro sim card, Dual standy

13.0MP back camera and 5.0MP front camera,with flashlight and auto focus

Networking: 2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz;3G WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100MHz;

4G FDD-LTE: 1800/2600MHz, TDD-LTE: B38 / B39 / B40 / B41

i may pre order it now, what do you think is it a good buy? You can check the full specs here : http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Xiao...-Core-1-8GHz-13-0MP-5-0MP---White-354224.html
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Hnk1:
Which device are you coming from ?

It really seems a great piece of device with good hardware, great specifications, dual sim support among others.

The only reason that I am still weighing this device over lg G4 (about 200$ expensive) is the price.

G4 has to offer these but it all comes to what I need in my phone?

Do I really need a great camera, NFC for payments, wireless charging, Quick charge (30 minutes for 60% charge compared to 2 hours ten minutes for full charge), a removable battery and expandable memory ? Also, the screen pixel density and results are great for LG G4 where screens are a bit dim/ yellowish for some Xiaomi devices.

However, no SDcard and non removable battery seems a bit of deal breaker for this device. Also, i am not a really big fan of MIUI and their reluctance to release source code which makes it difficult for development.

I might get this device in a month as I am still deciding my options between this, Lg G4, and Moto X Style.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] patriotaki:
You got a point there!

I wonder how the battery life performs on the Xiaomi, also the site i provided has a great deal on that device, thats why i am considering it and i just got a new motherboard that supports usb type c :D
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] tlxxxsracer:
I'm wondering how network performance will be.. So used to tmobile LTE speeds
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
I've got a Mi4 that has a 5" 1080p screen with a 3080 battery. Battery life on this phone is pretty amazing. So I would expect the Mi4C to be just as good or better. Getting 5-6 hours SOT is not a problem. I'm usually at 3 SOT at 50-60% battery.

It's not that bad and it's definitely usable. LTE is nice due to the no latency when transferring data. But the speeds of HSPA+ are plenty for everyday things such as streaming music, web browsing, emails, GPS, etc.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] tlxxxsracer:
I have Tmobile.. how would the 4c work? im guessing ATT would have better data right?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
The 4C would work fine on T-Mobile. You would just get 3G/HSPA+.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] tlxxxsracer:
Now would a Xiaomi device work with Android Wear? How about android pay
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] NEXixTs:
Yes !
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] tlxxxsracer:
Interesting..

Gearbest says the mi 4c has "External memory: TF card up to 32GB (not included)"

http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_241903.html

Does that mean one of the sim car slots could be micro sd?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
It will work with Android Wear. I've used it with both my Mi3 and Mi4 when I had my GWatch. You just have to give it the correct permissions in MIUIs permission manager. Also, texts didn't work that well, but it's nothing a 3rd party app like Evolve SMS didn't solve.

You'll probably have issues with Android Pay as the Mi4C doesn't have NFC [emoji6] . I believe only the Mi3 has NFC.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] tlxxxsracer:
oh, thought it had nfc.. thats kinda a bummer though
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
Yeah, I wish it had NFC too, but I've been with my Mi4 long enough that it doesn't really bother me. I am seriously debating this phone over the upcoming Nexus phones.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] jarayn:
thats weird
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kagurazaka Kotori:
According to the Xiaomi official website, Mi 4c doesn't support TF cards.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Jennifafa:
Same here. NFC is also my concern...I have already converted to other phones now.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] heykal:
camera

i am little worry about camera . sample photos of Sony's sensor looks great.but i am not sure about the Samsung sensor! how can i trust and get this one. its really perfect phone specially when you considering the price. but i am still don't know what i have to do because camera is important to me .
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Well in terms of specs, it beats the Nexus 5X, more ram, battery and has ir blaster. Hopefully camera is good. They both have snapdragon 808 CPU so hoping it gets good ROM support. I'm gonna get this over the disappointing nexus 5x
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] patriotaki:
i bought mine from geekbuying should arrive in 2 days will post feedback!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] heykal:
The screen isn't scratch resistance.be carful really recommended useing screen protector.thats really foolish company use snap 808 for this product so it should be a semi flagship! I don't know gorilla glass layer how much costs :|
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
You sure its coming in 2 days? 16gb or 32gb? And which you country you in? Where is it being shipped from?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] markovich6:
I am torn between Mi 4c and Redmi Note 2 - do you guys think the Mi4c is worth paying more? How much better is it in performance? How about cameras - does te Mi4c's outperform RMN2's?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
Well Redmi Note 2 and Mi 4c are quite different in size, CPU, RAM, etc etc.

Roughly speaking it looks to me that Redmi Note is kinda "big and slow" while Mi 4c is "small and fast", but take it with a lot of brain and humor.

For me simply the 5.5" screen size is too big: I used it with the OnePlus One and don't want to go back to that size.

Ah, one more thing: if you are a bit interested in modding (i.e. Cyanogenmod) you *have* to go with Mi 4c because of the SoC.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] markovich6:
Great input, thank you - I was leaninng against Mi 4c, mostly because of the size and RAM, but I didn't know about modding.

How about the difference in cameras - is it notable?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
Well, on a comparison from a web blog I trust, the camera of the the Redmi Note 2 took a 7.6 while the Mi 4c one a 7.7, so no, the difference should not be noticeable.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Stevex26:
It doesn't have Gorilla Glass, anyway I think it has a protection on the glass like the Mi4i produced by Corning (that makes Gorilla Glass).
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] heykal:
Yes true. But really it can't protect screen from scratchs. Take look at mi 4i scratch test. Its really disappointing.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] d0g:
Really liking how this phone looks "on paper"...

But:

1. Will I be able to flash vanilla Android? Not a big fan of MIUI.

2. Will it get marshmallow?

3. Why is it not even listed on xiaomi.com ?

4. Couldn't find an explanation of this 'tap side' feature ... is it a quick way to launch camera? I have a moto x and cannot live without something like the twist-for-camera gesture.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
[MENTION=1982164]d0g[/MENTION]

1. Not soon; first Xiaomi have to release kernel sources and then some dev will have to port the ROM; I'd expect something to be actually available around march-april 2016, but it's just my guess.

2. Nobody can know it yet, the device was just released and there is no Xiaomi device at all announced with MarshMallow; anyway recent Xiaomi devices got updated to the next Android major release, so I bet it will have it in a reasonable time frame.

3. Who knows?

4. Here are Mi 4c features and highlights; shortly "Edge tap" doesn't wake the device up if it is sleeping, it is just a different way to trigger the shot while inside camera app.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
With regards to 3, the mi 4c is here: http://www.mi.com/mi4c/ It's not on the global site as it's a Chinese release only at this point
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
I hope you're wrong about the date of when it will get proper ROM support as that's half a year and I don't like how bloated miui has become over the
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
Eh, we are in the same boat but my answer was based on the timings I see for Mi 4/4i.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Hnk1:
Is it worth updating from Lg G3 32GB 3GB ram (with sd card) where I get 40-45k on antutu on stock while 48-50 on custom Roms with tweaks. I know the score is purely numbers and doesn't necessarily mean better performance or anything.

Is it worth getting it considering the price is so low?

Or wait for mi5 or another device with Soc820.

Or buy Moto X Style with 808. This device has great battery and I really need good battery time .

What would you do ? [MENTION=5002647]Giocarro[/MENTION] [MENTION=1983726]ermacwins[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rickbovenkamp:
It's an upgrade but not that significant. You should wait for the mi5 in that case which is going to be an aboslute beast.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
In your case I would wait for an 820 device I would to but I've still got the Nexus 4 and mi 4c is worth a try for the price
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
With a SD801 device (albeit driving a 1440p) screen I think you should wait until SD820 phones come out, unless you have the spare cash and want to try a xiaomi device I guess. I wouldn't recommend the X Style as it doesn't get great battery life; it might be a bit better than your G3 but at least the G3's battery is removable.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FrankBullitt:
I'm in the exact same position as you. I have a nexus 4 that is now showing its age and the mi4c looks like the best under 300€ option. But the lack of a global rom is scaring me from buying it right now :/
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rickbovenkamp:
Why? You could just put google apps on it and run the phone on the English language.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FrankBullitt:
Please,correct me if I'm wrong, but the global rom does not have all the Chinese cloud services and apps, right?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rickbovenkamp:
It does have the cloud services but you can uninstall/turn everything off that you don't like.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mokorottyu:
Hy guys.

I have now a Samsung note 3 N9005. I use custom roms, even MIUI, I like it, and now I saw this Mi4c. What you recommend? To keep the note 3, or to change on a Mi4c? In some sites I read that the mi4c works on TDD band 38, on other site, that it doesn't supports.

My carrier starts 4G on this band, that's what I miss on note3.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] patriotaki:
I bought mine from geekbuying! Its an awesome phone! No problems so far i like this phone :)

I suggest you getting from geekbuying if you want cause the shipping is fast
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] kelkelkel:
i have bought the 4C but am actually holding out for AOSP or debloated Rom...

still using my N5 w/ 'sticky' power button for now, but if your predictions are correct (6 months), then I might as well settle with MIUI7, which is way too bloated and has crazy amount of background traffic even when idle...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] KATE2015:
it"s look great, i want them
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rosi91:
maybe you should try http://xdaforums.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 and find out if that works!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
I'm running MIUI on my Mi4, and I have hardly any background traffic. It sleeps like a baby and I get insane battery life.

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Where are you located? How long did shipping take? Also, I see that it's on their site for pre sale, are they shipping pre sales?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] kelkelkel:
Thanks, let me try later

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Are you also on MIUI 7? I have not gotten around to tweak default app permissions yet
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] bennaye:
Not the guy you were asking, but my one was pretty fast after they processed the order using. I bought the 16GB, 2 GB RAM model and used DHL as the shipping agent. Shipping itself took about 3 days to get to Sydney, Australia, but processing was 2 days. When I say processing, I mean the amount of time it takes for Geekbuying to get the package to the shipping agent. According to the DHL tracking service, Geekbuying sat on my phone for 2 days before DHL picked it up for delivery, which pissed me off, but I could understand from an efficiency perspective. So, all things considered, it was still pretty fast and within the advertised 3-5 days.

Also, a bit about the phone itself: I quite like the phone so far; buttery smooth experience for the most part and nice build quality to go with it. Even MIUI which I thought I wouldn't like that much is a pleasant experience from an aesthetic point of view. However, the main letdown is the battery drain. Android System put an equivalent strain on my phone as WiFi - 16% used, which translated to something like a 30%/hr battery decrease just from light browsing/Reddit. The battery drained 10% overnight as well, which I thought was abnormal. I attributed this to some of the quirks of MIUI and the bloatware on it. I just disabled a bunch of apps and took some battery saving measures. Hopefully, I'll get some increased battery performance.

Also, the RAM usage on this phone isn't too impressive either; an average of 500-600 MB RAM free after a fresh restart, which means during normal usage I get about 300 - 400 MB free. Not impressed. This was the very first thing I checked after I booted my phone for the first time as well, so I don't imagine it will get better down the line. One other thing that annoys me is how small the notification icons are. They're absolutely minuscule for me. Even squinting I had trouble determining what app it was.

One of the things MIUI did get right was the aesthetics overall - the notification shade especially. It'll take some work getting there, though. For example, changing the wallpaper was a chore for me as it could only be changed through the Themes app, and not through their stock Gallery which made no sense.

Overall, I think the software side of it lets the phone down severely. I will have little hesitation flashing to a CM or AOSP ROM. Since I don't live in China, anything to do with the Mi market is bloatware as far as I'm concerned. The bloat Geekbuying put on it is annoying as well, but I didn't hold that against Xiaomi.

Sorry for the surprise wall of text. Tl;dr: Good delivery service from Geekbuying. Phone hardware is nice, but software isn't so nice. Battery drain for some unknown reason that's been known to occur on other Xiaomi phones. Nice aesthetics. 7/10 rating overall. 9/10 with the battery issue fixed.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
As for debloated and optimized ROM I look forward Xiaomi.eu release, which looks promising.

Here's description of differences between original ROMs and Xiaomi.eu ROMs: http://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/how-is-this-different-than-miui-com.18629/

And here's download page: http://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/5-9-24.28459/
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] :
Is your display at the top brighter?

Example:

imgur.com/YkHHFCD
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Flaxe:
Very good post, thanks for that! It definitely seem like the software is the main problem of this device. I haven't bought the device yet, but I'm highly considering it since my HOX is starting to go old.

Considering the great hardware and the relatively low price, it would probably be a very good device if you were able to install a custom/de-bloated rom on it.

As Rosi91 mentioned earlier in the thread, did anyone try using http://xdaforums.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 yet? Would be interesting to see how it works out.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
I actually really like MIUI. I've used the China dev version in the US for quite some time with great battery. I'm now on the global dev ROM with very little issues.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] bennaye:
No worries; you're welcome :) Once I've used the phone for a bit more, I might do a more in-depth review on here or Reddit. And I'm interested in trying out Debloater, but the author stopped updating 5 months ago and I'd prefer a more up-to-date service. That's just me, though. I've also managed to fix the idle battery drain - 10% down to 1% overnight, which I'm pretty happy about. I'm not sure which specific measure I took did it, but it's a start. Android System is still an offender though.

I think once I get the global dev ROM, I'd be satisfied with MIUI as well. Some of the things they implemented like one-handed use, edge tap and double tap to wake are really nice; I find increasing use for these functions by the day. MIUI is certainly growing on me.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ulver:
What is holding me back from this phone is the fact there is still no LTE support in the US. I am using the Mi4 and have gotten pretty used to HSPA+, but I really do miss the speed and low latency of LTE. Another thing is lack of NFC. I would like to use Android Pay, but I've been fine this long without it. So for me, there isn't a huge jump from the Mi4 to the Mi4c besides 808 chip and a better camera.

I've got the Nexus 6P on preorder, but I'm still considering the Mi4c just because I like MIUI so much and want something new! Oh, and its cheaper, even with importing it.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] bennaye:
I feel for you. Seems you guys got shafted with the Mi4c release. In my opinion, Mi4c was what the Nexus 5X should've been in terms of feature:price ratio, although lack of NFC seems to be a deal breaker for many people in North America, given the stink that was raised about the OnePlus Two. I'm lucky since the Mi4c supports every band used in Australia, and NFC isn't adopted here very much so the exclusion of it is inconsequential to me. You're probably better off waiting for the Mi5, although the 6P looks really nice as well, minus the screen size (whyyyyyyy).
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] kelkelkel:
waiting for the global dev ROM for 4c

http://en.miui.com/thread-162630-1-1.html
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] xranix:
very good phone.

got mine 2 days ago. 3/32 white model from an Italian shop directly from China.

for me 5 inch is the best size for a mobile, I don't like phablets

snappy, impressive, slim.

miui 7 (ota after powered on and online) is aesthetically good, but not my taste. a lot of bloatware (google translator is master) to remove and some headache putting the right gapps to log in with my Google account, but now I'm really impressed.

I'll wait aosp rom or I'll try the international miui when it's a little more stable... for now I enjoy the device.

Too soon to understand battery life.

if this is your size and you don't want to spend too much (~ 300$ with shipment cost.. if you wait maybe less but I've read that maybe they'll produce a small amount of quantity and I didn't want to miss this) it's definitely a very good choice.

bye
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
I was 50/50 on getting it but after seeing how smooth it is and the nice little animations I'll most probably order the 32gb variant next week from gearbest since it has an EU warehouse

https://youtu.be/haXUhHOZNN0
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Flaxe:
I think I read somewhere that they don't have the Mi4C in their EU warehouse, but I could remember wrong. I can't find this information right now tho, so correct me if I'm wrong :)

However, another thing that worries me a little bit is the warranty information they posted in the product notes: "2. Note: This smart phone is designed only to work with the current Android/Windows OS installed in it. Any alterations such as upgrades or flashing a newer version will void the warranty."

Does this really mean that if you upgrade the firmware (even if it's the official firmware), and something happens with the phone, then you can't return it for warranty? I completely understand if you flash custom roms and so on... but it sounds to me as it applies to ANY upgrades.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
I read that on many other sites aswell.

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I ordered mine on Antelife, the 3GB Version for 237 Euro. You can make a tax insurence for 17 Euro, so its still not much money for that phone :)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Are they reliable?

I went to their Spanish warehouse and chose the black 32gb and it shows it ships from Hong Kong so that's not good enough.

http://www.antelife.com/xiaomi-mi-4...hd-screen-miui-7-4g-lte-smartphone-black.html

Where is yours coming from?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
Yes they are :)

Mine is also coming from China, but with DHL shipping and Tax and Customs insurence its still just 270 Euro. Some sites sell it for 270 without shipping or anything included. So i think 270 with everything included is a good deal
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Where did you calculate the customs charge?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FrankBullitt:
I got my 3/32 from honorbuy (EU warehouse) and once I turned it on I noticed they had placed the google play store over the chinese stable rom.

It was a nice touch from them (no adware was placed like other stores do, I checked for that) but immediately turned it off, got TWRP, the EU rom from xiaomi.eu and it's running like a champ.

The camera is a good surprise. I was expecting a small improvement over my retiring nexus 4, but this thing has great sensor. The slow motion and timelapse recording are two nice additions too.

Overall, pretty impressed with the thing.

I still prefer the form factor of my nexus 4, as this is more "squared" and the back has little no no grip. But it's my only complaint so far. I don't even miss the stock android experience as I'm rocking Nova with Moonshine pack just like I was before.

For 280€ I could not have chosen a better phone, I'm sure of it now.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
What do you mean? You get the Customs charge back from them if you bought Customs insurence.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Isn't customs a tax you pay for importing good from non EU countries? So you saying if they don't charge, they will refund you? How much was your customs charge?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
In germany you just pay a VAT of 19% of the value of the good you are importing + shipping costs. No other tax on Smartphones. For me its 237 Euro + 17 Euro shipping = 48 Euro VAT. And i paid 19 Euro for the insurence at Antelife, so i get back the 48 Euro if they charge me (and i think they will, because its shipped with DHL).

But you can also buy it at honorbuy from their EU Warehouse for 280 Euro, i just didnt buy it there because the phone was only on preorder the last time i looked at honorbuy.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] coderstory:
I am seriously debating this phone over the upcoming Nexus phones.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FrankBullitt:
It's half the price (at least here, in Portugal) of the Nexus 5x if you order your 4C (3/32GB)from a retailer in europe. I've used Nexus for 3 years and was excited to see the N5 getting an upgrade this year until I saw the price and the 2GB of Ram. I couldn't care less about the fingerprint reader and the camera on Mi 4c is brilliant ( the Nexus 5c does take better shots on low light, but that's it).

It's really a no brainer. The only hard part was to convince myself to leave the Nexus "family".
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Couldn't agree more. The N5X was a let down for the price and specs. It's a Android One phone without a high price
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] AgiZ10:
Similar thoughts here about price of Nexus 5x vs mi 4c.

The only downside (and somewhat big one) is that Nexus has clean android with no bloatware and always updated software while Xiaomi is an unknown factor to me.

There is some progress (am looking at CyanogenMod thread on the forum), but not sure if that will be stable and fully functional in the future.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rickbovenkamp:
I have a Redmi 1S and it is still supported with MIUI. CyanogenMod and others (like mokee) also worked pretty quickly for it. You can easily remove any bloatware from MIUI aswell so there isn't really much of a downside other than the updates will come with a small delay and it'll be community made mostly. Then again for me at least it's worth it to save 200 euros!