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[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] chunkwok:
well i do have the home plug in enabled in both 4.0.0.0.6 Touch and gullum's ROM, the PDAVIET last longer in my case , at least i can install some application before the hardreset is required, but gullum's one, just one single installation (monster chinese as mentioned) required me to do the hardreset.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gaijing:
Three days without the HTC homeplug enabled + many soft resets/backups + all my apps installed and three days without the issue.

It can be our answer.

I just enabled it back to see if it happen again.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Stolz:
0) What version of ROM were you using?

PDAViet 4.0.0.0.5a Cross

1) Applications installed when it happened

None.

2) Radio ROM version (2.19.21, 2.47.21, etc...)

IPL 2.15.0001

SPL 2.20.0001

Radio 2.47.21

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

Qtek S200

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G4

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

1 hour

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

1-5

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

0

8) any other significant info you think will help:

None, I'm lost

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

Yes

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

Both
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] slickdick:
Boot screen freeze

Overall PDAViet 4.0.0.0.6 touch is an amazing rom, but it's a pity I can't use it coz the frequent hard resetting is such a pain... Switched back to old faithful Aserg3.3.13!!!

0) What version of ROM were you using?

PDAViet 4.0.0.0.6 Touch

1) Applications installed when it happened

None.

2) Radio ROM version

IPL 2.20

SPL 2.20.0000

Radio 2.69.21

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

818pro

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G3

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

1 day

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

1-5

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

0

8) any other significant info you think will help:

the rom worked fine for a week. First time the problem occurred when I received a call when connected to activesync and I unplugged the usb.

After hard reset, it worked finr for another day, and then got stuck again after a soft reset.

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

Yes

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

activesync
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] willhang:
0) What version of ROM were you using?

- 4.0.0.6 Touch: happened numerous times to me in day, decided to switch to 4.0.0.0.5a Cross yesterday

- with PDAViet 4.0.0.0.5a Cross so far happened only once, SoftReset about 5/6 times and so far so good

1) Applications installed when it happened

happened twice right after installing Skype

2) Radio ROM version (2.19.21, 2.47.21, etc...)

IPL 2.20.000

SPL 2.20.000

Radio 2.61.21

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

818 pro

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G3

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

15 hours

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

5-10

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

0

8) any other significant info you think will help:

None, I'm lost

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

notsure

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

Both
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mr_yellow:
Just a quick update from my tests...

I disabled the HTC homeplug on thursday and it's been 5 days of a few soft resets and zero boot screen freezes... This is very good news... Unfortunately, I don't have the guts to turn the homeplug back on cause I just spent a lot of time installing and setting up my prophet the way i like =).... Maybe I'll test again when a new rom is released.. ;)

anyways, will update again later.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gaijing:
Glad to hear that.

I noticed the same thing : no HTC homeplug, no boot screen freezes.

But I enabled it yesterday and : bam, I just got the freeze again.

I will try to reproduce what I was doing before the reset and see if it happened again.

Gonna report it pretty soon.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gaijing:
So after a lots of tries, I wasn't able to reproduce the exact thing that mess the thing up.

All that I can say, is that every time I got the boot screen freeze, I got the homeplug enabled.

First, I thought that it might happened due to some problems with the quickdial of the homeplug and the biotouch cube one, 'cause the first time I got the freeze (after enabled the homeplug back) was just after doing some changes with the cube quickdial.

But, I tried to make exactly same changes again and again, but no freezes.

After that I decided to install a new app (agendaOne), and bam, it happened again.

So trying to find a clue, I made this :

-> hard reset, backup restore, agendaOne install again, disabled the homeplug, reset : ok.

-> hard reset, backup restore, agendaOne install again, let the homeplug enabled, reset : freeze.

-> hard reset, backup restore, agendaOne install again, disabled the homeplug , reset : ok.

-> hard reset, backup restore, agendaOne install again, let the homeplug enabled, reset : ok.

I can't see what was the real thing behind this, but again, all I can say, is that every time, it happened, the homeplug was enabled.

Is it possible that the homeplug + pagepool hack cause all this ?

PS : sorry if I can't make myself clear, my english is not that good. So if something I said needs some more explainations, don't hesitate.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] soldado:
0) What version of ROM were you using?

4.0.0.0.6

1) Applications installed when it happened

none

2) Radio ROM version (2.19.21, 2.47.21, etc...)

GSM 2.47.21

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

XDA NEO

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G4

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

1 hour

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

0

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

0

8) any other significant info you think will help:

no

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

unknown have not got that far yet

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

no
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] slickdick:
HTC homeplug

SO do we have a fixed version of Homeplug?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
HTC Default Theme

I have a question did you guys be any chance have the HTC default black today theme activated while you expirianced these frezes ????
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gaijing:
Yep, I got it.

Is this it ?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mr_yellow:
Yes, I also use the "HTC Default" black theme... you think this could also be a factor?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
yes I have put it in my rom and have done quite alot of resets the last cuble of weeks and never had a frezz but just now I changed to the HTC theme and did reset and my first freze ever.... so I'm realy suspecting it's the cause
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mr_yellow:
hmm... i have noticed before that loading the htc default theme doesn't change some table/background colours. I have to switch to another "black" theme, then to the htc default theme to get everything "black" looking. I always thought that was due to HTC X-button, but maybe there is something broken with the "htc default" theme...

I think I will try testing it out..

So the theory right now is

HTC Home Plugin + HTC Default theme = hang?

I will try

HTC Home Plugin + my own black theme...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
First thing I noticed was battery status(BS) would not display after I changed to htc theme ... then I disabled home plug and BS dis show I eneabled Home plug again and everything seemed fine then changed some reg settings for cube activation did reset bam froze. I've tried to change back to htc black theme did 3 SR no prob yet... changed to other theme and back to HTC black no BS try to activate BS it shows RS bam freze

So it's homeplug + black theme=Hang or it's blackt heme + homeplug + BS= hang

so anyway it's HTC Black theme thats the problem

I've used Home Plug and BS for a realy long time with no freze so I think I'll just skip using the HTC Black theme
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mr_yellow:
I'm sorry to report that even with another theme loaded (not the HTC_default) and the htc home plugin enabled, I still got the freeze bug. in fact, it only took a few minutes and it froze on my first reset...

I really think it's the HTC home plugin. Didn't someone say it's a specific tab that's causing the freeze? and if we edit the homeplug to remove that specific tab, it'll be okay?

What was added between the 5 button homeplug and the 6 button homeplug? The Profile option?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
yes the profile came first, then the audio plug but the 6 tapb is the profile

but I've only had frezz with the Black Theme and trough beta testing someone even had the profile tab enabled with no frezz and the HTC Black theme only got put in for final release... so I still blame htc Black
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
I always use HTC Black Theme (if available) and The Home Profiles Tab (6)

and I've never had a freeze whatsoever. I wish I knew what I do different, so I could be of any help.

What I can think of is that instead of the famous Step 1, wich doesn't work under Vista, I use RUU_Prophet_220734_2207114_026121_NVID wich does work for me under Vista.

After that I don't touch my device at all, but just pair in Guestmode and continue flashing WM6. After the wellknown HR I first get all my settings right. That is, Timezone, Regional settings, preffered theme and Today items. Then run Network Wizard and restart.

I use Active Sync (Mobile Device Centre) to sync with my PC to get my data back. I do sync Contacts, Calendar, Tasks, Notes and Mobile Favorites. I leave out Email and Documents.

Then I install my favorite programs and cab's, I create my email account (always use exactly the same name) and I restore my Messages (sms and email), my Call Lists and Speed Dail with PIMbackup.

After that, I use my Prophet without any pain.

Hope this resume helps to find an solution to this annoyance.

PS my IPL is 2.10.0001 instead of 2.20.0001 could that make any difference?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] soldado:
black screen

Yes to black screen.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Sideburnt:
0) What version of ROM were you using?

PDAViet 4.0.0.6 Touch

1) Applications installed when it happened

No new installations

2) Radio ROM version (2.19.21, 2.47.21, etc...)

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

SPV M600 (Ornage)

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G4

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

Today ( first time on this rom )

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

around 5 in the last 2 weeks

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

nil

8) any other significant info you think will help:

This only started this morning, I have recently paired with a new laptop, but not synced content due to Lotus Notes, I have also added 2 new daily appointments which I have set up for ongoing.

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

yes

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

dont think so.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Sideburnt:
after my first screen freeze, I attempted to restore from my home pc via Sprite Backup ( A great tool by the way, saves lots of time restoring your personal settings, contacts, and programs ) however as part of this restore Sprite Backup requires a reboot, I did this while synced via Activesync and his also caused a freeze. So I think this is something to do with being paired via activesync and resetting the device. I will try and disable the 6 button home page as suggested in this thread. But im pretty sure this isn'y the issue for me. I had a good run of around 2 weeks with no problems, during this time I soft and hard reset my device while paired via activesync and without being paired, with no freezes. I belive it was mentioned that filling the appointments flooded replicated this issue, and for me that seems to be the issue, as stated above I added a daily recurring appointment, and wham I got a screen freeze.

Im interested as to how this can be resolved
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
I've been thinking that maybe the reason for the frezz could be that maybe the memory don't get cleaned on SR sometimesand therefore it's not enough memmory to boot up the phone.... and this could verrywell be the reason because when we boot these touch roms they load evrything into memory at first .. those that have battery status can see that the 8 MB page Pool version go down to 3-5 mb of free ram before going up to the 20 + ram

so we need to find a way for it not to load everything into memmory on boot up
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] muman7:
My 5 cents :

Deleted the WiFiInit and poutlook from windows\startup folder and the freeze gone for 4 days already.

Don't really know WiFiInit and poutlook needed for as without load them up after soft reset I stil can use wifi and sync via activesync on outlook.

Hope this help.....:)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] lie_ui:
I got this (Windows screen frozen) happened to me last week.

I was using the PDAViet 4.0.0.6Touch at that moment.

I had the SMS Threader application installed. I found that with SMS Threader running, if someone send you an SMS that was sent via email, something like this:

number@tmomail.net ---> email sent to this will appear as an SMS

if the text is longer than the sms limit 160 characters, the PPC will start displaying empty errors contiousnly non-stop. The only way to stop it is by doing soft reset.

I got my Prophet like that everytime someone sent me that kind of SMS. I found out the cause after testing sending myself few SMS emails and saw the bug.

After soft-reset few times, finally the PPC complety frozen in the Windows boot screen and only hard-reset brought the device back alive.

But now I'm using the new 4.0.0.0.5b which is more superior. =)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] robinhlozanka:
on TreoCentral.com they say, that deleting poutlook will slow down your opening of Messaging (New SMS). But surely it si not necessary to have it if you don´t use any POP/IMAP mail accounts

But Treo is a bit different I know...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] coolfire74:
I believe it was because of the incompatibility of HTC home plugin and HTC default theme (the back one). I had to hardreset twice because of this. But after I changed to windows default theme, and with HTC home enabled, I have not got any problem so far (it has been almost one week.)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Olodin:
I've made the same experience. Had also problems with freezing after softreset and switched to the default theme a week ago. After 6-8 resets (sprite backup and some testing) I haven't had any freeze up to now.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
It is definetly a memory issue. My guess is that the mentioned combination uses a bit more than fits. In combination oa other startup memory demands, things go bad.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] hma4:
Okay, finally i got this freeze bug too :) I'm saying finally because before i never had this problem. I looked at The registry keys and I think the solution lies here:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Performance]

"Available RAM on boot"

I'm experimenting with different values for this registry setting to see if it real is the root of this problem, my theory is that because during the startup , the home plugin dlls have to load to memory, we need a bigger value for this registry.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
that good findings hma4 I've been suspecting it was ram for some time not but I've been trying to find a way to clear memory as first boot up prosses ...

but I'm 99% shure that the size of "Available RAM on boot" is the reason

I'll try and look into the Kaiser rom to see the size of the dword
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] zarg404:
0) What version of ROM were you using?

PDAVIET 4.0.0.06 touch

1) Applications installed when it happened

I-GO 2006+

GPRS.Traffic.Monitor.v1.1

2) Radio ROM version (2.19.21, 2.47.21, etc...)

2.61.21

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

QTEK S200

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G3

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

I did one hard reset when I flash this rom maybe 10 days ago

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

5-10

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

2

8) any other significant info you think will help:

Sometimes my phone is very strange. Someone call me and my phone does not react. Even if I have a vocal message nothing appends on my phone. But no problem with SMS. So today, I just have this phone problem. I also decided to see my emails with wifi. The phone did not get my wifi signal. At this moment, I stop the wifi. After that I wanted to out off the phone and then put it on to solve my initial problem. But the phone part did not want to come on. So after few tries, I did a soft reset and => First freeze since 15 days ! That's all !

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

Yes

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

yes

11) Do you have the "HTC_default" today theme enabled?

No ! 5 days ago I changed it to windows default
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] bankir:
I'm joining this freezing up CLUB

It's happening to me today after 2 weeks using 40006.

Here's my details:

0) What version of ROM were you using?

PDAVIET 4.0.0.06 touch

1) Applications installed when it happened

NONE

2) Radio ROM version (2.19.21, 2.47.21, etc...)

2.19.21

3) Device model (dopod 818, imate etc...)

Dopod 818Pro

4) Device version (G3 or G4)

G4

5) How long it was since last hard reset (1 day,6 hours, etc..)

14 days ago when I installed PDAViet 40006, been working since

6) Approx how many soft resets you already made (1-5, 5-10 10-15, etc...)

5-10

7) Approx how many shutdowns you already made (holding power button for 4+ seconds)

NONE, can't do it while it's freezing up. Did take out the battery though.. 4 times

8) any other significant info you think will help:

I soft reset my device today because I lost my signal. Since SR has been working... I just SR again and boom.. it happened!

9) Do you have the HTC Homeplug today plugin enabled?

Yes

10) have you populated your PIM apps via pimbackup or via activesync?

ActiveSync

11) Do you have the "HTC_default" today theme enabled?

Of course, I like playing with the CUBE.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
I wrote before that I didn't got hit by the bootfreezeproblem, but I ran into it finally... twice....

It's a long shot, but in both cases I restarted (shutdown, softresetted) with the Cube activated. I know for sure that I didn't do that before. (I'm such a guy that shuts everything down before closing, don't know why... just a tc I suppose).
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] haunterx:
This finally happened to me too....but not at a random reset...is started when my prophet suddenly hang during normal operation....and then afterwards every so now & then it gets stuck...i hard resetted a few times but the last two i found out that when i eject the sd card and SR it boots normally
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
I jus read your post 2 seconds after a HR... shoot.......!!!

I want to state that my former suggestion about SR with Cube activated isn't the issue. I can reproduce the freeze without that too. But it's definitely a memory issue (but that is not a suprise, we all already knew that) I stumble into this problem after installing some gadgets like CM.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mr_yellow:
You're very lucky popping the SD card out solved your boot freeze issue. I've tried that previously on my boot freezes and it had no affect for me. the most reliable way to prevent the boot screen freeze for me is to not use HTC home plug.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] bankir:
Man, it's happening again.. second time!!

I've been doing a SR a couple times and it was okay. But today it's stuck again.

The find is that the HTC Homeplug is causing the problem. Does it mean that I just have to uncheck "HTC Home" from the Today screen everytime I want to do a softreset?

Does this happen to Gullum's touch ROM?

Edited:

I see that Mr.Yellow thinks that it's the HTC Homeplug. Not that I disagree with you, but how do you explain that it's been working for me for 2 weeks? In past 2 weeks. I always use my BT to sync my Calendar, Contacts, files etc with Activesync. Never seem to have any problem until 2 days ago and today. I also didn't install anything new last time.

But today, (1 hour ago). It happened again after I did SR, not long after I unplug the USB Cable to do ActiveSync in my Office (Office laptop doesn't have BT). I have done a lot of SR these past 2 days and it had been working fine. I dun remember if 2 days ago, I did SR after I did Activesync at work or not.

The only thing today that I did was to sync with my office laptop using USB. Could it be USB ActiveSync that is causing this??
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mr_yellow:
The homeplug seems to be a big factor, but obviously not the only factor. Usually it looks like if the PIM DB's are populated and/or you've recently unplugged from USB and/or you're still plugged into USB and/or you have htc_default today theme enabled and/or you have the htc homeplug enabled, you'll get the boot screen freeze.

I'll leave it up to you to "figure" out what the cause is.. =) in my own experience, by disabling only the htc homeplug, I still use the other things with no problem. So that's my advice. Obviously, it's different for others and obviously, there *are* other people out there using the homeplug and not hitting this problem (yet...)...

Since I'm okay with not using the homeplug (it takes too much today screen space anyways), i'm happy for now.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
Think you're right, there are to many variable factors to bring up a conclusive solution. For me, not installing CM seems to do the trick. Anyway, think it's a case of "overload" our tiny devices...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] pswnio:
It happened to me yesterday. I unplugged the usb cable and tried to open a program from the launch tab of HTC Home plugin...and that's it! Freeze!!! I did a 3-4 time SR and when i realised that it doesn't work i did a Hard reset. And then it worked. After this i tried to restore a backup from Spb Backup and when it finished and restarted froze again. So i did a Hard reset again and installed all the program from the beginning. Since now everything works!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] tb146:
Boot RAM

Hi All,

I have some experiences with this problem when i used any kind of WM6 ROMs.

From my opinion, the freeze screen was happened when the RAM is not enough to boot all the WM6 program included the applications.

I can tell you about this based on my experience when i took a look the memory RAM availibility after the PDA reseted, the available RAM only 1.9 MB after i reset the PDA then after 5-10 seconds it is increase to the stabilize one (arround 20MB).

So if anybody can cook the WM6 ROM with more RAM, i think the freeze screen can be solved but remember not install applications which used so many RAM capacity so the availibility RAM after reset is enough to boot all the necessary application on WM6.

Hope it help the cooker to solve freeze screen.