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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] AJerman:
tene, you're the man. Every new version has something I've been looking for. I mention that I'd like to get back to the old contacts app sometimes, but say it's not a big deal, and you still add it in the next version. I realized I still haven't sent you a donation so I will Friday when I get paid. Keep up the great work!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] randomelements:
;)

Anyway, found a bit of a graphical anomaly when switching to SMS list - it doesn't seem to refresh the screen correctly (see attached) Notice the same message at the top and bottom.

It also doesn't seem to refresh correctly when doingt hings like marking a message as read.

Thought you might like to know.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Trekvogel:
I like the additions in the latest version. Now I don't have to leave the app to change SIP when I forgot to set the right one. I liked the minimize button of 0.12 better though. At first I wasn't sure how to minimize. Phone pad is nice but doesn't add that much.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
use it, try it, play with it... for me it really add much, that's the fastest way to find a contact.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] matthew232:
is there any way yet to tie the sms part of pocketCM to the today screen so when I get a new SMS message and it says "1 new test message" on the today screen when I open it it will go to pocketCM instead of the native SMS program?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] paulrockliffe:
I've just installed the new version, love it, but...........

When I minimise the application I can access all of my programs etc through the hardware buttons, but as soon as I click the start button, the device locks up and has to be soft-reset to bring it back to life!

I'm running it on the T-Mobile Test ROM on my Hermes, does anyone have any ideas?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] utak3r:
Oh man... it's a big speed-up in finding contacts! :D Personally love this feature. Maybe you have not too much contacts to feel it?... :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bellfazar:
So what about minimizing? I don't want to close and reopen the app whenever I want to use it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] M.A.S.:
"SMS" crash

I found the case of my problem:

- incompatibility of Happy Tapping Keyboard and PocketCM.

When I used version 12 (PocketCM), I never had problems, but it seems that version 13 presents this conflict.

Somebody else with this problem (using both programs)??

(sorry my bad english)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] renierx:
The phonepad doesn't work with accented characters.

Ah, just found it's editable in settings.ini... :-)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dutchman71:
Like the new features but too many function for one button, the phone button. Would rather see just close or minimize and use the # pad and the switch to the stock contact app for another key.

Must admit that the program is getting more complex and confusing at the same time, taking a little bit away from the simple Contact app this was earlier in development I loved.

Not enough to stop me from using it and looking 4 times a day if there are any new versions out...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Nomadturk:
Tene, I've installed the cab version as i always do, and did a reset after installation.

Yep, right after installing, i've installed; overwritten, a VGA theme i downloaded from the pocketcm.com before opening the program. The after a reset, i've opened it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ROCOAFZ:
found a bug in .13.

If you use the phone pad, it will not bring up the names because you can't dial a - .

for example dial 570995XXXX where x is other #'s of my parents which is in my contact list. It will not bring the name up because of the missing -
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
I'll fix it, but the way to use it is more to tap on the key containing the letter of the name of the contact...

for "parent" type 7273.... and you should already have 2, or 3 contacts only in the list.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] princeasi:
This app kicks ass, love the new features added, but i did experience a problem with sending an sms. After writing the msg, i goto press send, and the msg wouldnt send. The msg only remained in the writing box.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iggy:
You need to hold send for 2-3 secs.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] twitism:
Hi tene,

I have the same problem as M.A.S in that everytime I try to go to the sms screen, the program closes itself. I have had this problem since v.12 and re-installing previous versions gave me the same problem after the first occurrence.

Is there anything that might have been tweaked in the registry or whatsoever that caused this problem?

FYI i'm using the .zip version and am running WM6 on HTC Trinity.

Hope you will be able to help. Thanks a million for your great job so far!!

=)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raymondu999:
Suggestion: Instead of having pressing and holding the phone icon to close, how about just leave it at that it opens up that extra 4 buttons menu? That way if we don't mean to close it we wouldn't accidentally do so.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] burkay:
I don't like the new way of sending sms (pressing a few seconds to send). It was better to touch it for a short while to send it. Also I had an error ("sms not send" error message) when I pressed it for too long (maybe 5 seconds).

I have sms rendering problems as well. sometimes the messages are slightly messed up, the text is overlapped.

Overall the sort touchs must do what they did in the previous version. Short touch the rightmost button and the program minimizes. Short touch the send button and the sms is send. That was more intuitive and a better UI design IMHO.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JNasty:
Can the sms send delay be changed via reg edit?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pietrucci:
I use both programs and no problems. But I don't use the T-Mob ROM, I use a 3.57 based ROM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Ixtana_ran:
Version .13

Tried 13 for a couple off minutes, just a couple of moans,

1 : Phonepad idea is ok but easier to remember names not numbers can we have name searching?

2 : SMS was easier in 12 no sip choice or other choices is necessary.

3 : Preferred 12 way of minimizing.

Money on its way for both apps in 3 to 5 days, thanks and keep up the good work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
That's how it works...

That's how it still works, tap on the text box, you get the SIP, note that it can take a few seconds.

Me too... that's the problem with people complaining (and it's not against them, I do the same), on my side, I just hear complaint and try to find a tradeoff... If more people were also commenting back about feature they like... it would probably make better tradeoff.

In 0.14 the behavior will be the same except the default will be minimize (so 250ms on the phone icon then release will minimize), and yes there will be a setting for that, and yes, there will be 2000 questions about that and how it was better before ;).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
HTK and PCM 0.13 works for you?

For me it just crash, and I can't really help... except blaming the guy who made HTK ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pietrucci:
I don't mind hów you build PocketCM to minimize and close. As long that there's an option to close (like in this version). I'm pretty happy with 0.13!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pietrucci:
No problems at all! (using Pandora coocked 3.57 ROM on a Hermes).

Will try PCMkeyboard again the moment I can use the \.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bellfazar:
Perhaps consider making it so the far right button is always minimize. To get the phonepad maybe hold down the filter button for 250ms or something like that. Minimize is one of those functions that needs to be readily apparent and not hidden away.

Or consider making it more customizable. Let us decide where we want buttons to be and how we want to access these functions. I could easily see a few variables that determine what button does what function with others that determine how long the user has to hold it for another action to take place. Similar to your PocketKeyboard app when you hold down the 123 or Return key.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
you should add to show the keyboard. also i think we need a info bar on top check out slide2lock program so we can see the signal strength, carrier, time and date and battery status

thank you
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] matthew232:
Tene, maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but when I hit "Contact with SMS" not appears. It is just a blank screen that shows no names, just the letters on the far left side for scrolling. Is this supposed to bring up all of the names in my contacts with cell phones to SMS?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
and that makes 1 on 2000... 1999 to go, I'm sure you can! :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Cobra2:
But the ide soundz nice though :D :D :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bellfazar:
Hey I'm just sayin'. If you were to make it completely customizable it would definitely give you an easier time. Instead of having to listen to complaints you could just direct people to the thread about making themes.

Contacts you have received SMSes from. As far as I know it won't catalog previously received messages, only those that have shown up since you were running PocketCM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iggy:
I think thats the problem some of us are having, tapping the text box does nothing, the only way we can get the SIP up is using the menu on top. Look forward to .14

Update: Also Tene, I tried to work around his by assigning a button the the SIP but it just shows the SIP for a split second then disappears.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] princeasi:
thx, ill try that!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Ixtana_ran:
Originally Posted by Ixtana_ran

Tried 13 for a couple off minutes, just a couple of moans,

1 : Phonepad idea is ok but easier to remember names not numbers can we have name searching?

That's how it works...

Explain? I get a phonepad with abc under 2 and so on, but if i press it, only "matching 2" appears. A on first press b on second and so on is what I thought would be better.

"That's how it still works, tap on the text box, you get the SIP, note that it can take a few seconds."

I think that's the problem some of us are having, tapping the text box does nothing, the only way we can get the SIP up is using the menu on top. Look forward to .14

Same here
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
No just type on the digit containing the letter you want, you want to get all the contact containg "mac", type the digit with the m letter (so 6), the digit with a (so 2) the one with c so 2 again. You'll "matching 622" on top and you'll see:

- contact whose number match 622

- contact containing mac

- contact containing any combination of [mno][abc][abc]

practically it works rather well, a lot better that one tap for m, on tap for a, wait a second, three tap for c.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
Or I just stop listening to complaint ;)

More settings isn't, imho, the way to go, unless someone want to spend times answering all the question about them, then the complaint about how settings works, those about the missing option dialog, those that will find setting that don't exist like "make_coffee_and_orange_juice_while_contact_that_i_like_are_calling" or simply more basic question like what's RGB.

If people want something completely customizable, I invite them to develop, it's not that hard, and it's probably a lot easier if they don't have to care about customization ;)

Seriously I'm not for all customization, it has already been discussed on my forum, but most people don't play with customization, and even those who do aren't really taking all the profit (have you seen a single theme that really change the layout of the contact detail page? I have not, the only change I saw was the one I made for the new Touch theme). My objective is to make something usable, out of the box, for as much as people as possible, and that means tradeoff.

However, I'm still open, if someone can really show me something useful, more that "I don't like it even if it makes sense and what the result of a long thinking" (which I can clearly understand, everybody has their own taste...) it may even become the default. (and actually it happens all the time, lot of feature have their origins in user feedback).

Another important thing, and I have the feeling I'm repeating myself: user don't know what they want (and that include myself), we have to try, spend some time with it, and try to take some perspective on thing before being able to make a correct change... adding quickly a setting to make somebody happy, will not make the app better, will not make newer version appear faster and will probably hide some of the feature.

And the last thing, which is really a blocking point for me: regression and maintenance, it's already very hard to maintain all those settings, imagine the number of possibility, imagine the time it takes to test, retest, implement things differently to stay... a minimum compatible with another *beta* version...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Gustopher:
Time To Take A Breath

Tene,

You have almost said exactly what I was about to say...

There is an old saying that a camel is a horse designed by a Committee - don't let PocketCM become a camel!

It was your vision that created this fine app in the first place - the rest of us should shut up and let you get on with using your vision and creativity to take the app where it needs to go next...or nowhere at all if it pleases you!

User feedback is all very well, but lots of what you are currently getting is contradictory, unhelpful and it must actually be fairly soul destroying to hear an endless round of 'well, it's OK, but it would be better if it did what 'I' want'!

At the end of the day, Tene, you 'own' the app and you 'own' it's future direction. No one compells anyone to use the application - it's entirely optional. If someone here doesn't like version 0.X, don't use it...or stay with version 0.Y instead if that one suits you better. Perhaps those demanding changes to the app rather than making polite suggestions might like to consider making a donation for the privilege of having their opinions considered???

...And Tene, you are the one putting in the hard work, so you get to make the decisions - ignore the whingers and get on making exciting new applications. The journey's half the fun of getting there.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bellfazar:
You know what Tene? Before this post I thought you were a great developer. But now, I'm astounded by how well you are trying to manage this app as well as the community that revolves around it. I am infinitely impressed. You are one hell of a developer.

From now on I'll try to keep my suggestions well thought out and present them on your forum in as thorough a manner as I am able.

Thanks for being excellent and producing this incredible application.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iggy:
Aye, Aye, nicely said and I agree completely.

but...Tene....I really did like the idea about the PCM making coffee... :-)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freeyayo50:
I think soon you will need to start a new thread.

I think threads should be no more than a 1000 posts.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] extraducksauce:
tene: PCM keyboard (0.8) used to show up in the SMS and Notes (0.13) automatically, but it's not anymore since soft-reset.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silverpal:
WM5, ROM= 2.15.13.27

Processor overclocked to 221 (its really old)

It takes me 5 seconds or more to start up the program and load up all the contacts (200) and the sms (400).

Other than that, I think its really great!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] debonairone:
Hmmmm... It looks like it brings up all contacts that you have either sent/received an SMS message to/from...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rbroudo:
Thanks a bunch for a great tool.

I only founf one issue.

When writing SMS the text and its background apear both in White which makes it impossible to see the text you are typing in the text box.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] spinedoc:
I'm also staying with 0.10 for the time being, that's the best version for my needs.

0.13

I wish I could get rid of the 4 buttons at the bottom, IMO they are redundant. I appreciate the hard work, but wish there was an option to completely get rid of them. The filter button is fine with just a soft key instead of a button. The number lookup really doesn't work too well, and in any case I would look up a number thru the name, and the smartdialer built into the WM dialer does this already. The favorites button is good, but better as a soft key as it used to be. And the SMS filter button is very redundant. Finally, these 4 buttons on the bottom take up a lot of valuable space where I could see 2 or 3 more contacts.

SMS function is still getting in the way of, well of SMS function. I wish there was a way to uninstall the SMS portion, or better yet split up the programs to be a contacts program and a separate SMS program. At the very least I would love to get rid of the numbers in parenthesis in the contact slot, and to be able to reassign the SMS to whichever number I wanted it to be. Please consider like your keyboard program is separate, to offer SMS separate for those of us who do not want it.

Loss of the hide/filter softkeys is not good IMO. When you are using your pocket pc one handed, especially in a car for example, your hand is oriented at the bottom so its easy for your thumb to hit the bottom soft keys. By changing functions to the top it makes it unwieldy to hide. I'm not a big fan of the whole filtering contacts, I feel that most are happy with just a favorites option, but I'd rather have the filter then no soft keys. And the hide soft key is crucial for one handed operation. Same thing for the favorites soft key instead of the filter, it's just much easier to use one handed.

Changing font sizes of contact info breaks the 4 bottom buttons, makes they just greyed out. Maybe their font is linked to the contacts? I've asked before if we could increase the contact slot itself to have very large fonts, this would be great for one handed use.

Tene I'd like to thank you so much for your hard work. I know you have a vision for this software and respect that, although I miss your vision back in the 0.09 and 0.10 days. I honestly think you should just straight out charge for this software, it is well worth it and already beyond any homebrew application.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meroupow:
Hello Tene,

I would like to report a bug that is probably related to the cache thing.

Since version 0.10, all versions of Pocket CM (0.11, 0.11b, 0.12, 0.13) have crashed on my P3600 (running WM6).

Pocket CM loads all the contacts and I can see the main screen then it closes/crashes right after all the contacts are loaded.

Also I have to report that the SMS function never worked for me.

even with versions 0.9 and 0.10 it opens the Loading previous conversations and closes/crashes.

I didn't see too many of these problems in the forum so maybe it's just WM6 or it's just me (meaning something in my contact list that's wrong for PocketCM).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
So the issue is with SMS. New version crashes at startup because it read SMS at startup (to count them).

As I don't have to issue, if you want it fixed, you'll have to look into it. There's probably one specific SMS that's making the whole stuff crash and this SMS is probably in your inbox.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] itzwolf:
So far I like the changes 0.13 has taken. This is the best application I've used and feel its a must have for a PPC.

I've been starting to use the SMS function more and more, and its working for me without any major issues. I only have a small bug to report and thats with the rendering of the text. Seems the last 2 lines *sometimes* get pressed together and if you go out of SMS and back in it is normal again. Seems it is happening on new messages sent if they are several lines within the text bubble. I'll keep an eye on it and seem if any further information can be collected for you.

Only thing that I think could be changed far as functionality of SMS is tap the send button and the message get sent instead of having to hold it down.

Is it possible to have the sentences get capitalized like the native SMS program does? Everything else seems to work the same but the auto correction function. I know this is not really important, I've just gotten used to it.

Otherwise great work tene, I am looking forward to 0.14. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
Supports VGA?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] moopile:
I second this request. I love the program and this is the only complaint I have.

Great work Tene !!!!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silverpal:
Sliding the finger left to right seems pointless when in the all contacts screen. I don't know if its only me or is that a feature?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Seed123:
Can someone upload 0.10 here? I was comfortable with that version rather than 0.13

Awesome app tene :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Gustopher:
You can download many of the earlier versions of the app here:

http://www.pocketcm.com/olddl.php

Don't forget the PocketCM site itself as a source of information and resources...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Gustopher:
And...

...Plus if I remember rightly Tene doesn't want the CAB or zips circulating, just the links to the site.

That could be my imagination though!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Seed123:
Thanks a lot!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] taiseer999:
Hi all,

First participation for me here, great application man and a hand full of good features in one program, appreciate your time and effort.

in the 13th version:

1 I can not send sms (tried on trinity & Herms) I wrote sms, pressed the send button, but nothing happened!!

2 How do you close the program from within and not via taskmanager??

Thanks again for the good program and your development to it.

Taiseer
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kenankeles:
The directly Contact searching is fantastic,but the Letters are a little bit small in my opinion.Would you please make the letters bigger?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] corranq:
Hey Tene, I'm having problems sending SMS now - I hit send but nothing happens... help!

I'm using a Samsung i730 on WM5 and this only started happening with the latest version. Previous versions only had one glitch and that was that my history only showed received messages but I didn't mind...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meroupow:
I tried to delete all my SMS but there is one that I cannot remove with [no sender] [no subject]. I think it has always been there.

Anyway it didn't solve the problem.

Tene, Is there a way to activate debug mode and get a trace/log to investigate my problem?

Thank you.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tene:
so you've got your answer, the SMS that you cannot remove is most likely the problem...