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[Moto 360] vegetaleb:
How many Moto 360 v1 are affected by this dying battery thingy?

I got a very good deal on a used one, the seller pretends it's lasting 1 full day but I don't know if he's telling the truth.

Is tilt to wake a big battery eater feature, and btw is it still laggy like 1 second between the gesture and the actual screen wake?
[Moto 360] raduque:
They probably all are, or close to it. I figured mine had a swollen battery because I sorta abused it (regular dunking into 120f degree water for minutes at a time). Had I known it was both a common problem and fairly easily fixed, I would've done that instead of buying a gen2 back in February of 16!
[Moto 360] vegetaleb:
So I should avoid buying it knowing it could day a week after buying the used watch? He claimed he barely used it but the warranty is finished so obviously he has it for more than a year
[Moto 360] Spott07:
Battery degradation is related to the number of charge/discharge cycles and to heat in the environment. If the seller left it turned off most of the time, the battery should be fairly fresh with plenty of life.

Batteries degrade very gradually, and battery run-time follows battery health pretty accurately. If it actually runs for a full day of normal use, then there is little degradation to the battery, and it will be a long time before any problems arise.

Tilt-to-wake doesn't use an extraordinary amount of battery, although it obviously uses a bit more than leaving the screen off.

I got my 360 NOS last June, and have used it daily with tilt-to-wake ever since. My watch lasts a 16-18 hour day without any problems.

Be aware that over-charging and frequent recharging shortens battery life (in any device). Don't obsess about maintaining a full battery all day long; the battery is there to be used. If you can end every day (or discharge period, whatever that may be for you) with the battery at 20-30%, that's healthy for the battery.
[Moto 360] Grooby97:
Did you use a hair dryer to heat up the back plate/glue to remove it?
[Moto 360] davedogcaddy:
no, I used one if the iFixIt 'iOpeners' - watch my video for details. One day I'll have enough posts here to post a link :D
[Moto 360] Anakondarh:
Can confirm that defective battery was causing the random shutoffs with any level of battery. Followed davedogcaddy's video and was able to replace the battery without cracking the back or breaking anything. Quite happy to have a useful watch again :)
[Moto 360] alleykat2561:
Know of a decent battery supplier? My back cover has a huge crack in it and I can't seem to find those either.

Anyone had any luck?
[Moto 360] fillippe:
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/262910553985?_mwBanner=1

Can't help with the back cover. I split mine and it stuck back on quite well. You can't see the crack.
[Moto 360] Jotolaw:
I have the same problem. Just randomly turns off and wont come back on untill docked. When docked it restarts and the battery might still be at 75%.
[Moto 360] fillippe:
Sounds like you need to take the plunge and change the battery. I did and it's got a new lease of life.
[Moto 360] roosterfarian:
Same issue here. 1st of all, the single side button no longer does anything but shut it off; IT WILL NOT START THE WATCH AT ALL - EVER. Then it would not pair, so I went through ALL the process described by everyone else above. It helped me pair with Bluetooth, but now the watch shuts off promptly whenever I go out of range from phone's Bluetooth and will not restart unless I sit it on the dock - period. When the dock turns it back on, it seems to always start out with 87% battery life...which tells me that this is not a battery problem. Wits end!
[Moto 360] Spott07:
You are mistaken. It is most certainly a battery problem. While the battery charge (voltage) level remains adequate under low load conditions, when your watch tries to draw additional power from the battery to do high load activities (like Bluetooth search broadcasting) the old, worn out battery cannot supply the needed current, and so the voltage momentarily drops below the 0% threshold and the watch shuts down. Similarly, the battery cannot supply the higher current needed for CPU-intensive boot-up, so the watch will not turn on without an outside power source.

If you replace your battery, your watch will work properly again.

This is explained elsewhere in this thread.
[Moto 360] dotuletz:
I am so .... pissed off. Didn't use my moto 360 for months, maybe even a year now. Ordered a battery a few months ago and the seller was totally stupid even with me contacting them. In this contry there's only one seller and apparantly because of safety issues I'm not able to order from another country. Though should try again, ordered again this time seller managed to deliver. My only day off from work for the last 2 weeks I decide to open my watch. Cracked a bit the screen but for future reference start from the edges of the band. Changed the battery, watch is turning on just to recovery, if I take it out of the dock it dies. After a while on charging dock it just bootloops to recovery every 5 minutes, then screen turns black, 5 minutes later recovery kicks in for 2 seconds and dies again. If I leave it out of the dock it doesn't start and to actually be able to see the recovery enough time to read it I need to leave it out for 5 minutes. Plus I think my button doesn't work now, but i assume i didn't put the watch correctly.

Anyway, any ideas as I'm looking at this watch and reading everything again for 3-4 hours now. Ordered cat5 connector and multimeter to make a data cable for it...

Edit: Order cancelled. Nevermind, because it annoyed me so much just seeing the watch and hearing it turning on / off I've sent it to electronic heaven. May it's wires and chips rest in peace. Kicked it away, think I broke 2 flat wires, 1 for charging and other was coming from display. They still hang on but no charging so the watch doesn't turn on even to check the display wire.
[Moto 360] roosterfarian:
New battery came in the mail over the weekend. If I can self-install without breaking anything, I'll report back with results. Thanks
[Moto 360] dotuletz:
plastic tool

Done mine just with hair dryer, although I don't recommend it and you should use a heat gun, it works. Mine got so hot I couldn't keep it in my hand. Take off the straps, then once properly heated up, just slide a soft plastic opening tool from the straps onwards on one side, then try from the other side. Some had better luck by sliding a strip like piece of plastic in until then other end, or at least until half, and then continued from the other half. Once you get the first cap off be careful to remove the 4 holding clips or you might brake it, video at 3:33. I really couldn't understand how to get them out as I didn't had anything that small, but after a few tries, it was obvious they are there, so I used a sewing pin and got them out enough to pull them. After that is fairly easy even with minimal experience in opening electronics, just don't pull as it might brake the flat fires.

video
[Moto 360] kanc3r:
Followed the iFixit method. Watch broke in process. This a clear defect in this watch. It should have been pulled from market.
[Moto 360] athertonwj:
Moto 360 shuts down and needs dock to turn on again

Hey there,

Seems to be related to Bluetooth, but I cannot figure it out. There seems to be no information on this. Did you hear anymore on how to fix the issue of why it shuts down randomly and needs the dock to turn it on again?

Thanks,

Bill
[Moto 360] Spott07:
Go read back several pages in this thread. The answer is there, repeatedly and with extensive explanation.
[Moto 360] funkpod:
hey, bump this...

Hello, so my Moto 360's battery was dying, randomly shutting off, so I cracked open the back and replaced the battery!

BAM.

NOw... my moto 360's display is dying... the colors are all weird, like the reds aren't showing, sometimes after charging there is a LOT of screen burnt in (goes away), and now there are lines going up and down.

SO, is there a fix for this? I'll replace the LCD panel if I could, but I can't seem to find one...

looks to be done for?

originally from...

https://xdaforums.com/moto-360/help/moto-360-lcd-dying-able-to-fix-t3628082
[Moto 360] Spott07:
It's quite likely you damaged the cable between the mainboard and the display, or it's less likely but still possible that you damaged the mainboard or display itself. Sorry, I don't know anything about availability or sources for replacements.
[Moto 360] funkpod:
Hey, thanks for the reply! What would you say about a diagnosis then, if I told you that my watch had been working great for months, and then the display konked out?

Everything was working great, and one day I put it on the charger and afterwards it didn't turn on. I can only think that maybe the display was weird, because it turned out it was on. It was crazy hot at first, too. Then after it came back on, it was fine for two days, then the 3rd day, half of the colors were gone. Finally, after working with half colors for two weeks, it not has many lines up and down and while it turns on fine,I can't read anything on the watch.

BTW, since reassembling the watch, it was no longer water tight. At first I thought I shorted out the watch, but when it turned back on, I dismissed water.

Any additional thoughts?
[Moto 360] thanhsumi:
Successfully replace the battery, enjoyed for 2 week ...

Then suddenly yesterday there was a crash, and now the cable connect to the LCD is teared off :(

Any chance to weld this cable ? or I have to throw away my watch ...
[Moto 360] Kinjay:
My issue has only started occuring after I upgraded to Android Wear 2.0. Turns off, have to put watch on charge in order to turn it on and battery is reported at 80%. For me this is not a hardwear issue its AW2
[Moto 360] awionetka:
Except there is no Android Wear 2.0 for moto 360 1st gen.
[Moto 360] Kinjay:
Sorry I have posted in wrong thread as I have 360 v2
[Moto 360] sambartle:
Is the back bulging?

The replacement (im assuming a third party) battery might be expanding.. I had that with mine, and it had the same symptoms (HEAT and random crashing/weird screen artifacts).. I opened it up, replaced the battery again with a genuine moto one (salvaged from a broken watch off ebay) and then resealed it using sugru and pressure.. its back to perfect now, and seems waterproof again.. I haven't been swimming in it but its been showered accidentally.

I guess it depends how much the cable/screen is damaged if you get lucky or not.. but you can get spares here by the look of it (https://www.etradesupply.com/motorola/other-models/motorola-moto-360.html) Ive not bought anything there mind, just saying they do seem to be available.
[Moto 360] diabolic:
Just an FYI that there are a lot of liars here. I spoke to Motorola tonight and they advised me that my issue (the same as everyone else here) is an isolated case. Nobody else is having it according to them. :laugh:
[Moto 360] fordfx2:
Someone mentioned the colors looking weird. I noticed mine did the same thing a few days ago then I noticed it randomly shuts off. After inspecting the watch I noticed the back is popped up. Sounds like most of these issues are related to the battery going bad and swelling causing screen warping from the pressure of the swollen battery.
[Moto 360] reggiexp:
f u my watch i replaced the battery.. cause it didnt last a day... (even with screen of)

but now after like 2 weeks its just turns off at 80% or 50% or when ever its want and wont turn back on. yes at home on the charger.. a 0%

da fuk i need my watch for work... besides works its not usefull.. but im sad cause android wear 2 suk as$ cause it wouldnt detect mulitlanguages... only primair.. while android wear 1 does multilanguage replys to my sms whatasp and facebook.. i sended back the ticwatch... but now my moto 360 is acting up.. i mean its 3 years old but still it did work great with new battery for a couples of days...
[Moto 360] vista1984:
happened to me alot lately. sucks!
[Moto 360] grinmaul:
This has been happening to me for a few months, i have just gotten used to it, the watch can have 50% batt left, but it can be any where from 100-0, getting near the end of my work day i will look at the watch and its off, the button will not turn it on, only placing it on a charger will turn it on, after it powers up there is plenty of battery left. there is no warning, no vibrate, just screen goes black.

the only pattern is that it happens daily, but it will almost always turn off if i look at the new google now cards, but it has been turning off long before those went to the new crappy style.

also, i have not seen a weather update on my watch for months now, it was one of my favorite things to look at my watch and know what i was going to walk into when i leave work for lunch or end of day.
[Moto 360] avlon:
Add another one to the list. This has been happening with alarming frequency this week. As a matter of fact, the watch is unusable. It shuts off within a few minutes, and is extremely hot. Only turns on when I put it back on the charger, and then goes through the updating apps screen. Had this watch since it was launched.
[Moto 360] Purpleluigi:
Happens to me too. Also happens if I manually power off/restart watch, it won't power on again unless it's put on a charger and I wait until it's gone through it's whole "Android is starting" rigmarole.
[Moto 360] kkpsichologist:
Same here. I just contacted support and they said the only option was to replace it. Mine is far out of warranty, so $100 to have it replaced. Not worth it for a year and half old device. :(
[Moto 360] Almightygun:
I'm Gunna Try replacing the battery

I ordered a new battery from Amazon. It'll be here in two weeks hoping it'll solve the problem. I'll be back then with the results.

Think it's a good idea? Opening these things up seems to be an exercise in patience and dexterity. Wish me luck.
[Moto 360] bustanut666:
Cool. Let us know the results.
[Moto 360] Kidsnd274:
Same issue here. Right now, I have a very expensive dead bracelet on my arm. I don't have my dock to "wake" it up. I'm pretty sure battery percentage was at 80%. Got mine at launch
[Moto 360] stevetrooper:
I have the same problem, glad to hear that I am not the only one. I find that whenever I update an app that has an Android Wear component then my watch will automatically shutdown until I put it back on a charger to restart.
[Moto 360] yahoowizard:
I had this issue and it was really annoying. I got it RMA'd but I'm not sure if there was another solution. As for a really temporary solution, smack the front of the watch with your palm when it turns off. It helped me once or twice since it'd be frustrating with a battery that's full and having it die out on you when you're outside. I smacked it once and the screen turned back on. Hope that works.
[Moto 360] ezflip:
Mine started doing something similar a few weeks ago. It shuts off by itself randomly, but it always turns back on with the power button. I have found several thread that ate all only a couple weeks old, so it seems to be a new issue that is affecting several people and started at the same time. Was there a recent software update that's causing it?

Edit: And now as a slap to the face, I checked on Amazon to see if I could return it, and the return period literally ended yesterday. I havent had time to look into in in the three weeks its been happening. I finally do have time, and its one freaking day too late. Just my luck lol. So hopefully someone can find a fix.
[Moto 360] bustanut666:
Has anyone tried the super tool to flash stock imaged? Or will it not work because I can't boot fully without it being docked to charger.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2897690
[Moto 360] bustanut666:
any luck with the new battery??
[Moto 360] ezflip:
I did a factory reset yesterday and uninstalled all the extra watchface making apps and connect, and other watch specific apps from my phone. Only app I have left is android wear. My random shutdowns went from 5-6 per 9 hour day at work, down to just 1 each day yesterday and today.
[Moto 360] bustanut666:
It's not the shutdown I care about. It's that the only way to turn it back on is place it on the dock. I don't carry the dock around. I did factory reset almost 10 times. Removed apps. I am about to flash the rom. See how that goes.
[Moto 360] Almightygun:
New battery fixed it

I used this battery,

[Can't URL, google "amazon KR-NET 300mAh Internal Battery WX30 for Motorola Moto 360 1st Gen 2014"]

It was identical to the original [except not bloated]

This is the best I could find for a tutorial,

[Can't URL, google "ifixit moto 360"]

I'm not so sure you actually need to remove the back, I did and ended up putting a small crack in it. When removing the back use a thin knife to slice the glue if you can.

To be clear the issues it solved.

.I can now turn on the watch when it is low power.

.360 no longer shuts down under strain, or when I have a bunch of apps. It used to shut down mainly when the battery was bellow 50%, or using heavy apps like yoytube.

.A slight discoloration on the left side went away. I think it was from the battery swelling.

Took me about 30 min to take apart and put back together, 3 hours for the silicone electons glue to dry. Really wasn't to bad though. Another symptom of the 360's battery.

Hope this helps.

Love this watch
[Moto 360] ezflip:
So your watch was randomly shutting down, and with the new battery, now it is not shutting down at all unless you specifically tell it to? I want to make sure you had the same issues as everyone else in this thread since you never really said what your issues were.
[Moto 360] Almightygun:
To be clear it solved app strain related shutdowns

Issues

I couldn't turn on the watch when it was low power. (Could only turn in when it was on the dock.)

360 would shuts down under strain, or when I had a bunch of apps. It used to shut down mainly when the battery was bellow 50%, or using heavy apps like yoytube.

A slight discoloration on the left side went away. (I think it was from the battery swelling.)

Sorry for not using parallel structure before
[Moto 360] ezflip:
Thank you. Your issues are a little different than mine. I just ordered a new battery too. So, Ill post up here when it comes in.
[Moto 360] easycheese:
Any results yet?
[Moto 360] jerflash:
[MENTION=1428045]bustanut666[/MENTION] I had this exact issue and i figured out what was wrong. Problem is your watch is stuck on the old version of Google play services for some reason 7.8.99 for some reason. This is a software glitch that my watch had but my girls moto 360 was just fine.

It is the newest update to the android wear app that does not like google play services 7.8.99. Nothing i did could force an update so i had to revert to an earlier version of android wear app and the watch worked just fine.

What finally fixed my watch was the update to 6.0.1 that happened for my watch last night. These are the steps to take to make it happen smoothly.

With the newest version of android wear on the phone do a factory reset to your watch.

Place the watch on the charger and go through watch setup.

Once done syncing take the watch off the charger and connect it to your home wifi. Then go into setting and check for an update.

If no update repeat first steps.

If the update starts downloading go into the android wear app and disconnect the watch. Turn off bluetooth as well just incase.

(This is because it is the app itself that causes the phone to crash. The watch will then hook up to wifi and finish the download...it will also be faster)

Put watch on charger wait a while and the download should be ready. Make sure it is over 80% and start update. I recommend keeping it on the charger.

After its done you should be all good to go. All versions should be up to date. Hope this helps!!!
[Moto 360] sfabros:
Same problems as everyone else, and I randomly looked at my watch this morning and noticed an update to 6.0.1. I didn't know about the Google Play Services bug since I've been on version 8.4.89 for quite some time but after applying the 6.0.1 firmware on my watch, it hasn't shut down once today yet (fingers crossed). It would power off at least 3 or 4 times each day in the last several weeks.

Previously, I uninstalled/reinstalled Android Wear, did the factory reset on the watch, etc., to no avail. Today's update seems to be working so far. Just make sure to put your watch on the charger JUST after it shuts down to reboot into the update so that it can restart properly, since that's been an issue we've all been having of not being able to power the watch back on.
[Moto 360] ezflip:
Not yet. My battery is supposed to be delivered next week. I'm also getting a new puppy this weekend, so I don't know when I'll have a chance to actually disassemble it. I've also noticed that it shuts down more often the more active I am.
[Moto 360] bustanut666:
Mine won't even fully boot anymore even on charger. Keeps turning off.
[Moto 360] sfabros:
Well, so much for that. After 7 hours off the charger, my watch just crapped out. Bought this watch in September of 2014 and am now really starting to hate it. It's pretty much unusable in its current state. Gonna try to factory reset one more time then I'm giving up on it.
[Moto 360] warwagon19792:
Had the same issue. I was at a friends house last night, noticed my watch died. Thought it ran out of battery. Came home put it on the charger, and when it turned back on it was still 58% charged.

Did a factory reset on it and it couldn't even finish the first boot without turning off. Unless it was on the charger. I also have that Blue discoloration circle on the lower right too.
[Moto 360] jerflash:
Try what I said to do a few posts up.
[Moto 360] warwagon19792:
I did, the update never showed up.
[Moto 360] jerflash:
Hmm well it did on both of mine. You may have to wait a day or two
[Moto 360] denix0:
I would have to agree with Almightygun - I've noticed screen discolorations in couple spots and the watch turns off randomly. Until now I didn't notice swelling, but the back cover is indeed slightly bloated. I've ordered a new battery - too bad it takes forever to get here...
[Moto 360] MatthewB92:
I have had the same problem this week and this morning I got the notice that a system update was available but my watch did it again and won't turn on so hopefully when i get home every thing will be fixed when it's charged but then again idc because I'm getting the huewai watch today.
[Moto 360] watzone69:
I didn't do the steps in the previous post but my watch updated and now it shuts off even more than before. My Google Play Services is v 8.4.89 and my Wear app is v 1.4.0.2552934.gms. I tried factory reset and set up the watch again but it's still happening.
[Moto 360] jerflash:
I have noticed that if you have many apps on your phone that have associated watch apps it can take forever for them to fully transfer after a factory reset. If you take it off the charger before it's done it may randomly turn off. Happened to me too. I recommend doing the factory reset before you go to bed with both the phone and watch on the charger
[Moto 360] warwagon19792:
I personally think the batteries inside our watches are probably bloated. Which would also explain the discoloration on the screen.
[Moto 360] jman71:
Grrrr!

Man this has been happening to me for awhile now. I've had the watch for over a year now. I was hoping that the last update to 6.0.1 would fix it, but it still does it. Even did a factory reset after updating & it still shuts itself down when an app that has wear support updates itself. And like everyone else I have to put it on the charger for it to come back on, which of course I don't carry around with me. Id like to send it in to get fixed but it is out of warranty & I'm not sure how much it would cost... :mad::mad::mad:
[Moto 360] jerflash:
You can pick up a replacement for like 100 if you keep an eye out... Best option if you don't need a newer watch
[Moto 360] bbygfy:
has anyone confirmed replacing the battery will help solve this problem?