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[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dipaolnv:
Torn and looking for feedback

Sorry if this is TL;DR... looking for all feedback

I'm really torn on this. I just received my Moto X and I wanted to love it, but I can't quite say that yet. I'm coming from a OnePlus One. I opted not to go for the OnePlus 2 because I wasn't impressed with that upgrade versus the OPO (no NFC, wonky fingerprint reader, etc...). I was all in on the Moto X, I've been wanting one since the original.

I was completely sold on this phone, it had everything I wanted... dual front speakers, huge screen without being a huge phone (it's almost identical in size to my OPO), sd card support, and most importantly it had T-Mobile band 12!!! So I preordered on the first day. Due to some indecision I didn't get mine on the 15th, it showed up on 9/29.

Overall I like it. Great size, great feel... but right after I ordered the phone, I started hearing that Band 12 would in fact be disabled. There have been some posts indicating that "we're working on it" but no official word on timing. That scares me. I can say that the network connectivity appears to be worse than my OPO. I was really looking forward to finally having a Band 12 phone that could get signal in buildings. I can almost live with it, but if the normal LTE is worse, then it's getting close to deal breaker territory. I do wonder if there was a history of radio upgrades on the prior Moto X's that could help me here. Also, if they do come through with Band 12, it will alleviate almost all of my concerns.

The only other thing I'm not entirely crazy about is lack of an LED notification light. I know this is nitpicky, but my last few phones have had led's. Not having one will take some getting used to. Heck, the phone doesn't even tell me it's charging from the lockscreen which would at least give me confidence that the plug is fully engaged (it's happened once or twice). Also on the nitpicky side is that the vibration motor seems off, idk if it's weak or what, but it doesn't feel "premium".

I do love that it has SD card support, but I manned up and bought the 64GB anyway so I'm not using an SD for a while. (I might consider a redo and dropping it down to 32G with a wood or leather cover and getting an SD though). I also completely love the bumper cover that was included. I had been looking for one after pre-ordering the phone and really happy it was included. Gives me a little confidence that it's at least marginally protected without ruining the aesthetic of the phone. Still loving the screen. Haven't gotten much of a chance to play with the moto features.

So what say you? Do you think Band 12 will be delivered sooner rather than later? Will there be active development for this phone (I see CM12.1 is brewing)? How quickly do you think we'll become marshmallowed? Is this phone a keeper or not?
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikeman513:
I don't think development will be huge for this phone. Look at the OPO and Nexus for examples, there were deodexed and skinned versions the first week. I know there's a group saying they are working on it, but that was 3 weeks ago... I'm not saying there won't be dev support, just don't expect anywhere near the level of the new Nexus's or OnePlus devices.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chindynasty:
I honestly think MXP is fine. Battery will get better. First impression isn't great. But since device has been in my hand, everything has gotten better. I like their exchange plan. I want the wood back. Why are people complaining? For $400 to $500 device, it offers plenty. Geez, so what if its made in China? You think they don't work hard building phones over there? QC? Check out all the initial issue with oneplus and +2. I still have yellow tint on my one+. Complaints are norm. It's fine. Update will come out, correction will happen one way or another. From the devs or factory. Yes, its worrisome, but not a deal breaker. I would like to say "thank you moto for the return policy." In conclusion, we all have a choice to choose. I'm not deterred by negative comments. I will keep my device and patiently wait for updates. We should start sending emails to moto requesting release device img. And make it dev device.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sunNsnow:
I am keeping the MPX because it handles calls so much better than the G3. The screen is brighter than my old phone, too.

I am not happy with how it handles pictures in low light conditions when I compared it to the G3.

Battery life is a bit shorter than the G3, based on how I use the phone. With the turbo charger, this is a non-issue for me.

It's a trade off. The G3 doesn't seem to be receiving official updates to 5.1. If I use an ASOP rom, the camera sucks because LG has a proprietary something with regard to it's operation.

So, the MXP has Android 5.1, makes better voice calls, has a brighter screen, has a mediocre camera and battery life.

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sunNsnow
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kendive:
Yes Amazon... White 32GB with Bamboo...

I think I will keep this phone. I still have my G3 and may buy an Nexus 6 to play around with too...
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kent1146:
...???

I read that transcript, and it seems like their customer service was great. The guy answered all your questions for you, and was courteous. What else were you expecting?

Sounds like you're just frustrated that you got a defective unit at first, and that your new unit got delayed a bit in production. These things happen. You had bad luck on the first unit, and are trying to buy a brand new phone in high demand, through a custom-build process. It sucks, but it happens. And it's not the fault of customer service.

The fact that motorola even allows such a liberal return policy on custom phones is a miracle.

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Does anybody ever think "If they just sold a phone that was a slight upgrade from my current phone, it would be perfect?". It's frustrating that every phone is a trade-off

Pros:

+ Fast new hardware.MicroSD support

++ Nearly stock Android (with very useful non-stock tools)

+ Moto Maker customization

+ High resolution screen

+ Fantastic front-facing stereo speakers

++ Support for any carrier (currently jumping around between VZW, Ting, Project Fi)

+ QuickCharge 2.0

Cons

-- Screen isn't OLED

-- Weak battery life

- Non-replaceable battery

- A bit large in physical dimensions

- Not fully waterproof

I'm coming from a Samsung Galaxy S5, and its very annoying when the backlight on the MPXE lights up the entire screen on full blacks, such as Active Notifications. If they just put an OLED screen in this, it would be an amazing phone (and probably get better battery life too). Why is it so hard to find a phone with OLED display, MicroSD card, removable battery?

I also sort of wish it was a 1080p screen, since you can't find any 1440p video content out there.. It would also save quite a bit of battery life, and give the GPU a bit of a performance boost in games as well.

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Didn't keep an HTC unit, but I've used the M8 and M9.

I'm not a huge fan of HTC. It feels like they took off-the-shelf high-spec parts and cobbled them together in any way that fit, rather than design custom components in order to achieve better design and polish. End result is their phones feel like they were designed by Asian engineers: great specs on paper, but the overall design feels "amateurish" and lacks the design polish of the top-end phones.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjarvis:
If you read the transcript you would have seen that he ignored half my posts and disconnected immediately when I still had an unanswered question that I typing. What's not seen is the time stamps, I guess those didn't copy over. That conversation took almost 30 minutes. That's the "yes sir, f-you" customer service model. And hell yeah I'm irritated. Who wouldn't be?
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sunnytexas:
No, I plan on keeping this phone period. I used to own samsung phones. The last one was a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. All of them had not so good radios in them. I keep buying samsung phones because of the changeable battery and the micro sdcard slot!!! Motorola did the right thing by putting in the micro sdcard slot in this phone. This phone has a terrific radio. There's no problems like the samsung phones. We shall see how the Nexus 6P fairs out with its radio reception. Oh for the folks jumping ship for a finger print scanner in the Nexus 6P, good luck using it with android pay when your phone is rooted period. You won't get passed the security protocols that google instituted. This is a good phone for the money. I'm not looking for a cadillac for a phone. Just one that doesn't have a ton of garbage programs on it that I never will use or care to use and has a great radio and a micro sdcard slot. Moto X Pure phone is a good phone. Final point, Motorola has some big problems with customer service and marketing. They really need to clean up their house asap.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blaze0303:
So far I plan on keeping it, I just hope that we see some Rom development and custom kernels.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BiffTirkle:
i just got mine in today, i like it. its nearly the same size as my opo with a bigger screen, thats a plus. but im not wowed by it. i like the micro sd card slot, have a 128GB card in... i am very tempted by the nexus 6p but the size compared to the mxp i feel is too big especially with the same size screen. its a tough call. im inclined to return it.

EDIT:

i just got an rma, i'll send it back monday. im going to give the nexus 6p a try, besides i just got an invite for project fi. i plan on traveling out of the country in the next few months and figure this would be a worthy device to try out.

i love the moto line of devices, i have an og moto x dev edition that is my office phone now, i use a 1st gen moto g for my work cell, and plan to get a 3rd gen moto g for another tech i just hired. but for a personal phone i want more from a phone than for my reaction to be " yeah this is a decent phone".
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ant78:
No question, its being returned as soon as its delivered and i have a Nexus 6P on order.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funtimez:
ImI'm returning for a full refund. Battery life socks and the screen bleeds a lot on the sides. This is my second unit. I'm waiting for the LG v10
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buggerritt:
Now, I'm considering returning it for the nexus 6p. My reasons are:

1) I'm not liking the curved back on mxpe.

2) I originally ordered moto care with its and decided to get square trade, instead. After 5 chats with moto reps, they still don't have the refund coming and they've actually sent me an RMA for the device instead. That tells me customer service is going to be crap.

3) the camera on the nexus 6p is reportedly much better,

4) 8 core 2ghz vs 6 core 1.8ghz.

5) I have no desire or use for any moto apps.

6) development will be hands down best with the nexus.

7) 128gb model makes having an SD card unnecessary.

8) better battery with a battery saving amoled screen

Reasons for maybe not swapping:

1) Motorola is known for their phones having great reception in bad areas and I'm not familiar with Huawei. I am trying to find out more information about their radios. This is my main reason for holding out.

2) lack of sd card support. But, the 128gb version kind of negates that argument.

3) amoled vs ips lcd for looks

4) costs a little more (no big deal for something I want to keep for at least a year).

Bangin' on my unlocked/rooted

Moto X Pure
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PolishDude:
I really liked the phone however I ended up sending mine back on Saturday. I feel there are too many issues with the 810 chip so did not want a phone with that but hated not getting a top of the line processor as I now tend to hold onto my phones for about 2 years. I had no issues with the phone but ended up scoring a brand new White Nexus 6 off an ebay store for $280 shipped. I think it's a better hold me over until 820 chip phones start hitting than spending $500 on this phone.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] socalbls:
I wanted to keep this phone but the battery heat is too much for me. Maybe I just have a bad unit but planning to send it back to Amazon tomorrow.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ibila:
Keeping it for now. For me the battery is fine, 4+hrs SOT and minimal drainage in idle mode (how will it run with doze on marshmallow) and the turbocharger is awesome. But then again.. I'm also keeping my N6. I can always sell them both and buy me a nexus 6P.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markwebb:
Well guys and gals, despite my earlier post I have sold my Pure. I loved the camera and micro SD card and the battery was average and processor not as fast as Nexus 6. Importantly I switched to Nexus 6p and am awaiting delivery : I like full customizations capability as well as the Nexus experience.

But, I wholeheartedly recommend the Pure and continue to promote it to others.

Who knows as I may pick another up since moto tends to discount around thanksgiving and other months!

Enjoy!
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EdCarden:
I'm still in love with my Moto X Style.

- Love my walnut back with custom engraving

- I'm actually liking and finding Moto voice and the other Moto apps useful

- I think the IPS display on the Moto is beautiful (I'm coming from a 1080p AMOLED on my HTC One M9)

- The Turbo Charger rocks and I'm used to afternoon top offs from previous phones.

- I've had a 128gb sd card for over a year now and thus can get by fine with just 32gb onboard storage

- I think the 6P is a pretty ugly / boring looking device

- So far I've had less issues with the SnapDragon 808 (in the X pure) then I had with the 810 chip (in the 6p and the One M9). Especially when it comes to device heat.

- The camera in the X Pure is the best I've had in a smartphone (compared to the Motorola XT912, and HTC One M8 and M9), the 6p's doesn't seem that much better.

To me the biggest thing the 6p has on the X Pure is the fingerprint sensor. As nice as Nexus devices are (I have a Nexus 9), the Moto is close enough to the Nexus experience for me, and in some ways surpasses it.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kent1146:
Moto X Pure is a really nice phone. It's absolutely killer for the price; especially considering the performance, features, the unlocked bootloader, and carrier unlock.

The battery life is inconvenient, and I do wish that it was better. But having QuickCharge helps to offset that somewhat.

The IPS screen does take some adjustment if you came from an AMOLED display... particularly around color saturation (or AMOLED's color over-saturation), and the backlight glow on Active Notifications. But you get used to that pretty quickly. The brightness and high resolution are enough of an improvement over 1080p AMOLED to help offset some of those negatives.

I do wish that the MicroSD card was a bit easier to access / remove (perhaps from a spring-loaded tray mechanism?). There are times when I'm pushing 20GB+ of data to my MicroSD card, which would be a lot faster to do through a USB 3.0 microSD card reader than doing a remote transfer over WiFi.

It's a toss-up for me between the Moto X Pure and a Nexus 6P. But I think I'm going to keep the Moto X Pure, because of the microSD card support, and the Motorola features that they put on it.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrozB:
Still liking mine a lot. Getting good battery life and love the screen more than the Note 4.

Is the nexus water resistant or does no one care about that? No one ever mentions being water resistant as a plus so I will. I enjoy being able to run the phone under the faucet to clean it up. Also really nice when I have it mounted on the handle bars of the bike and it starts to rain, I do not put it in a water poof pocket.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flapjack:
I'm keeping mine. I had upgraded from the G3 to G4, but wasn't impressed... plus the G4 bootloader wasn't unlocked, and I didn't want to count on it being unlocked. I returned it, got the XPE 32GB for $450 (plain black on Amazon), and haven't looked back. Plus, being out of contract, I get a $25 monthly discount with Verizon.

The screen is awesome, the speakers sound great, and the turbocharger is ridiculous.

My only grip is that I loved the lack of side buttons on the G3/G4. That would make the XPE a perfect phone.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] penfold:
I love my Pure, I'm optimistic most of the bugs will be worked out in the update.

The camera is fantastic in good light and even superb in outdoor low light if you have a steady hand, outstanding quality pics (using 'open camera' or 'camera FV-5' ....ok the stock camera software sucks).

And no way you are going to get as much detail from a 12mp camera of the 6P as you will with the 21mp Pure, I can pretty much guarantee that, just look at the oneplus two comparison photos.

The battery life is fine with me, and I'm coming from the LG G2 with had stellar battery life, plus it charges in an hour usually to a full charge from about %30.

LCD over Amoled is a Plus for me. Amoled uses more power with light color screens, it only saves power with dark screens, so you are already limited to having all your themes, dialers, wallpapers etc dark if you want to save battery while the screen is on.

The screen is super bright, brightest I have ever seen.

The speakers are fantastic.

The 6P is 5mm taller and 2mm wider.

.....yeah, I'm going to stick with the Pure :cool:
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buggerritt:
I was going to switch to the 6p but by the time I got an RMA, the 128gb model and even the 64gb were unavailable to even pre-order (doesn't even make sense) . So, I'm keeping it.

Bangin' on my unlocked/rooted

Moto X Pure
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slash8915:
Question for those of you coming from the LG G4. How do you like it? Would you consider it an upgrade or lateral exchange? I have a Verizon G4, and the lack of development coupled with the God-awful battery life makes the MXP look very tempting.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trace1er:
Seems more like a lateral exchange... Same processor that heats up the phone when doing intensive tasks, and the battery life seems about the same to me. And yes, I own both currently. The G4 has a far, far superior camera, but agree the development community is stagnant.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotmark:
No development is why I bailed on my G4. Pretty comparable specs, and the G4 does have the better the camera, but I don't think the camera on the MXP is bad. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't hesitate.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gpz1100:
^^Haven't seen all that much development for the moto x either yet. I'm hopefully there will be many options in the coming months.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krohme:
Keeping. Amazing screen, super smooth performance, good design, very good battery life, amazing audio, sd card support, almost stock android (quick os updates), phone feels small in the hand - for a phone with a 5.7 inch display, moto voice, others I can't remember..

Coming from a note 4, performance alone makes this the better phone. Goodbye Sammy, hello moto!
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tranemonk33:
Glad you are getting good battery life. Mine was terrible 2.5 SOT.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jayochs:
my battery life is bad. 3 hours sot if I'm lucky, but honestly, idc anymore. my note 4 life was bad too, and it's great having a rooted phone. going on what, 3 weeks now? almost a month with the phone, just got cases finally last week. love it. camera isn't as good as the note 4 whatsoever, but i got the one modded camera that allows you to turn off noise reduction, so that makes it better. panorama is still garbage though. we need someone to make a true moto x pure modded camera!!

Sent from my Moto X Pure Edition
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sporttster:
Coming from a Note 3 to this and I really like it. Love the fact the bootloader can be unlocked. Did it the first week and rooted. Low light pics blow the N3 out of the water and daylight is fantastic. Yeah, the camera software isn't the greatest but I'm expecting a lot of development with this unlocked beast and can wait for the improvement. Definitely keeping it. Cannot beat it whatsoever for the price
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotmark:
Well, there are four or five ROMs to choose from, and a couple of kernels. That's infinitely more than what's currently available for the Verizon G4.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PiousInquisitor:
I've decided I'm going to sell the X. Its the size, the weight, the hold, screen protectors ****uation, Moto Display with LCD screen, other awesome Moto features that kill the battery so I don't use. < Those things may not bother some of you. They do me. With so many great phone options, why settle on a one that doesn't fit.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] max1001:
The audio quality is pretty bad for a brand new device. No hifi support. Even my old OPO had that. A huge step down for me.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cxd232:
Returning it.

Really like the concept of an open phone and the flexibility but, too many issues. Bluetooth should be flawless out of the box at this point and it is a disaster. If you need your phone while driving or for work (ear piece), this phone will drive you crazy dropping your calls to the handset. Battery was also disappointing and had issues sending photos via text and email. Really liked the direction they were going with this but, too many issues, the execution on this phone was pretty bad.

Just got a new Xperia Z5 and had it for a day and it has been flawless so far. Really wanted to go back to Motorola but, wow, this was bad.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blaze0303:
I'm keeping it because I already sold my N6 but I do wish I held out for the 6P.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dboyrusky:
I will keep it. I really do HOPE they add back band 12 support for Tmobile like they said they would..
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mademan420:
Looks like they have according to this:good:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63583576&postcount=20
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] salespalace:
got it after my oneplus one caught a hardware fault.

The x style is a good device - but i don't feel it's a better phone than the oneplus one.

it's battery life is mediocre compared to my 5+ hrs sot within 40-50 hours timeframe on the oneplus one.

and I feel that cyanogenmod does add that extra oomph to the software side.

I hope the battery life does get better on my x style otherwise i may sell it and get another oneplus one.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joe1blue:
I am exchanging my 16GB black for a 32GB white Bamboo I have a 64GB micro SD in my phone but 16gb internal is just too dang small I have quite a few apps installed and I'm down to 2gb internal I can't do it is just not enough lol.

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How can you tell of you are on band 12?
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dboyrusky:
Download app called LTE discovery and it will tell you which band you are on..