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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SINC:
Great News!

excellent - thanks for the tip man. I'd like to know if anyone else can confirm this also...

Ok, so... just to see if If i'm understanding you....

If i send a msg to a contact, and not close the app for an hour or so..(ie. keep it running for a while in the background - it won't resend...?). What about if i do softreset or powerdown my phone a few hours after sending a a msg.... when i relaunch it, I should be fine...? is that what your telling me?

Also... while i'm asking...would the best thing to do is put it on notification of delivery... and when i recieve that, its ok to then close the app? also, when request notification (ie network sending a msg back) does that usually cost us a msg?

Also, what task manager would you suggest, or can you suggest that allows you to selectively allow an application to stay open, while it closes all others? at the moment, i'm running the HTC task manager.. but it doesn't allow you to customise.

Also, on the mms front, can we still use the old messaging for MMS (to send & recieve), or once installing this app, you are locked into using MMS through palm? i really only want to use this palm app for txt msgs only.

Thanks so much for your help maxh - I'm really looking forward to trying this out once i've got this understood.

cheers and best regards, SINC
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pcm2a:
Is that PocketCM a replacement for ContactManager .11?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mviana:
You don't have to keep the app open for an hour. All you have to do is make sure that the message was sent. To check this, you have to look in the outbox of this app to see if the message was in fact sent. Once the outbox is empty, you can close the app.

This is up to you. If you do what I said above you should be fine with the message getting to the recipient and there should be no need to get a delivery confirmation and you won't have duplicate messages sent.

I don't do it like this myself, but I see that a lot of people do do this without any issues.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] maxh:
mvianna's reply has good info in it. I'll add a few things also, though.

I think messages are typically transmitted within a matter of seconds. You can check the outbox, as mvianna said, to check.

I use HTC's X-Button as a task manager/x button and to add a program to the exclusive list, you need to have the program running, then from the today screen hit HTC's task manager icon in the top right corner of your screen, then hit options, then in the "running" tab (which will probably be the one open by default) you'll see "Messaging" which is your palm messaging app. Tap it and a context menu comes up letting you choose "add to exclusive". That's it.

I also use SmartSKey for closing apps by holding the right softkey down and I added the messaging app to the exclusive list on it also.

I also put a link to the messaging app in the startup folder (under \Windows) so that it runs immediately up on starting up. This way I always have it running in the background. I actually did this because on one of the ROMs I ran (Black 2.5, I believe) I would miss messages if it wasn't running when the message came in. It doesn't seem to miss them like this anymore, but I've kept up the habit.

I've never used delivery notification.

I use the palm app for MMS. It seems to be the only choice I have after installing Shogunmark's cab. That's fine by me, though, because it works just fine.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SINC:
Hey thanks guys for all your info... very much appreciated....

The version of Task manager that came with the WM6 upgrade didn't have the other features you guys were talking about of adding exclusive progs. i just did some searching and found the update and it works a charm.

1 last thing... is there anyway to install this program, and being able to revert the changes (if i'm not happy or if I experience bug crashes) WITHOUT having to do a hard reset? from previous experience using WM5, I did a backup using SPBS backup program, installed palm, and something went wrong, but when I reverted to that backup (prePalm install), it left quite a mess and had to do a hard reset.

does anynone have a .cab or tweak to return the original installed messaging to its natural state... or is this something we can do manually? i'm not too tech savy.

Thanks guys - what a great forum.

SINC
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] jukkus:
Why isn't this receiving MMS messages by default.

MMS messages goes to original arcsoft messaging.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] d.butters:
mms send and recieve

i see that i'm not the only one having problems sending mms messages. is there a fix for this? if i try to send a pic from inside the program, i get the memory error referenced earlier in the thread, and if i try to send a pic from the camera ui or directly from the file system, it takes me to the stock message program where the sms/mms option has disappeared due to the threaded app! i really like this little program a lot, but the breaking of mms functionality is really messing me up.

i'm running an att 8525 with some basic wm6 rom, i forget who made it but it's nothing fancy. thanks shogun or whoever can help!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] BK8525:
Hey guys, just let me know if this is answered already, but I have a problem with this sms threader program in that the recipient gets the txt twice in a row and everyone I txt complains about it. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks. I'm using an 8525 and it happens no matter what ROM I have flashed. From the original WM5 to vp3g's WM6 to Schap's WM6.

I really need to resolve this. The threading capability is my life, lol.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Sponzert:
i Really can't find this on my P3300 (artemis). Have an idea what it's name is on my device or where to find it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pronor:
It´s not an onboard application. You can find a trialversion here.

http://sktools.softonic.de/pocket

which should do the job.

pronor
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Sponzert:
Thx for you're reply, i new that and i have SKtools on my device. But thats not the problem. I have RemapSoftkeys also and when i try to remap that key i really don't now where to go to. I have tried everything but nothing works. My agenda keeps popping up. I have searched for messagingapp.exe but can't find it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] BK8525:
Bump to anyone. I can't imagine that I'm the only person to be going thru this.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Radimus:
I had that occasionally... Look for pocket contacts... not the greatest solution but it works
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Confused Stu:
Sending message twice

I know this was an issue a while back on WM5, and it was down to the messaging app being closed down (rather than minimised) before it had registered it had sent the message. This made it send the message a second time too. Looking at the post two or three above yours, it makes reference to this again so this might be the culprit.

Personally, I always use an OK button to minimise the messaging app rather than the X to close it (I have HTC Task Manager running) and have never had a double message problem.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] whiteblazer01:
You mentioned it works for Sprint. I have Verizon XV6700 (HTC Apache). The program does work, however, I can't send or receive messages. What is the problem?

EDIT: Okay, so I figured, how can the program work, but not send/receive? It must be a configuration. So I checked, and everything is configured for Cingular. Now I need to see what the settings are for Verizon.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Shawner:
I actually had this same issue (see post 146) and was explained in post 149

I fixed my issue by using HTC-X Button and adding an exception for this program so that when I press the "X" button, the program is minimized and not closed.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] moto211:
i'm using this program on a G3 MDA with Zoki's NBD 9.1

i can text using this program but i cannot send or receive mms. when i try to send mms, i get an out of memory error. there is no way that i am out of memory as i have tested it after a soft reset with ~26mb free ram. i should also add that the NBD 9.1 rom has the arcsoft version that combines the sms and mms folders.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] burrzoo:
What a relief!

i was getting so sick & tired of the WM6 default SMS app. This is working good (haven't tried MMS yet). Glad to have emoticons back. :D

Is there a way to increase the Font Size of the threaded messages? New text entered is much larger. Tired old eyes are a-getting strained...:eek:

I can't thank you enough for the fantastic work on this!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Shawner:
I'm wondering this myself. About half the time I receive MMS in the app, and the other half in ArcSoft. This app is always running as to not send dbl messages as described above...any ideas?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] raymondu999:
The only thing keeping me from installing this is WM6's intrinsic ability to send/receive contact information via SMS. Has there been a solution for this?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] tokomoto:
I second that, thank you so much for this program I love it so far and I think it's the best threaded sms for wm by far! Thanks, I owe ya! :-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Zombie069:
I loaded this up on my Alltel 6800, worked great for text messages, but I didn't receive pic messages at all.. And the inbox it placed on my desktop went to the original pic/video app... Sent 2 messages fine, just won't receive any.. I'll stick with my pocketbreeze, I like being able to see all my messages roght on the desktop.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] drawde:
Is there a way to setup email? Since this replaces the default messaging application, I can't find where to add/setup an email address.. Can this be done?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Lordsmiff:
It only replaces the SMS\MMS functionality of the existing messaging app - email is still handled by pocket outlook.

Smiffy.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] d.butters:
MMS?

so, still no fix or even insight into the MMS issue? Unable to send or receive MMS messages using the threaded app. You get a 'memory full' error, although I don't remember the specifics as I am waiting for a fix to re-install the app!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] plucky10:
Is there anyway to show the date of the text messages, as far as older text messages. It shows the time but as far as the date, all I see are weird sequences of numbers and letters like 2SM9 or 3M9. What do those numbers mean? Is that the storage location?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] schlag:
That number is based on your short date format, which is set in the registry. The default is am/pm timestamp for today's messages, and date/time stamps for older messages.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] plucky10:
So how do I go about changing the Short date format to something I understand or can someone show me how to understand this format.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pcm2a:
The MMS memory error is what happens when you try to send a MMS over 300k. Since the palm has a bunk camera a message and a picture is less than 300k so the app limits messages to 300k. Our camera is a small step up from bunk so a message and a picture is about 330k and too big to send.

There used to be some talk about upping that to 600k but I don't believe it ever was successfull.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Alex Slane:
Thanks for the heads up on this cab ,

working a treat with my device , after a good search i found the app that i wanted for my messaging .

Keep up the good work

Alex Slane
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] d.butters:
Thanks PCM, I was really wondering about that. Is there a way to use the default messaging for the MMS and the threaded app for SMS?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tudork:
Damn... That's a shame. Time has passed since the swimming pool photos campaigns of the Z series...

www.engadget.com/2015/09/11/sony-xp...e=dlvr.it&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mele80:
There never was full immersion water proof. If your phone got wet inside, sony just stated that phone flaps wasnt closed properly before immersion.

I think it was south africa who denied sony to adverdise z1 as phone that you can fully immersion to water
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tudork:
Well, it's a long discussion of what was and what wasn't. Some phones were definitely waterproof and Sony undeniably marketed their Z line at least as fit for taking underwater photos. My zr swam under water with no issues. But it's also true that many people had ruined their Xperias like that. This is the first time Sony actually says: don't put it under water. And it's a shame.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mele80:
I think waterproofness has not changed at all, only sonys guarantee
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] rolo143:
I wanna buy this phone, are you sure it isn't waterproof? I had an Xperia Go which is not a very good phone, but anyway I used to throw it in the pool and nothing happened. I'm also curious if you can take under water photos with this phone.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] itaq:
I have seen videos on YouTube of people putting it in a glass of water and I have read that some people's phones (regarding earlier z generations) were not waterproof while other's were.

I have not dared to try it myself but I think it is as mele80 said.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] supercakefish:
I view it as a safety net to protect against accidental spillages and unpredictable weather rather than a feature designed to be intentionally exploited. I don't intend on purposely testing out the waterproofing capabilities!
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Again misleading topic :( But z5c is still waterproof just use it with care..
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tudork:
Excuse me, what's misleading about it?

- marketing campaign clearly showing Z series (before z4) being submerged and taking underwater photos

- accidents happen to quite a few phones (some might have been submerged without proper cap attachment but I'm sure you don't believe all Xperia users are stupid enough to forget a simple gesture such as attaching the caps)

- Sony saying now you should not submerge the phones.

That's what the thread is about, and these are all facts.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Just watch this :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2jSk_5uKY
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tudork:
Let me know when you do the same :)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] thesebastian:
I think we are safe to use or have the phone under the shower and all that.

But don't submerge it in water with soap/foam (in a bathtub), chlorinated water (swimming pool) or even potable water if you are living in a zone with a lot of calcium (bathtub / glass of tap water. Just look at your pans to know about this). If it is a more alkaline water, it would be less risky.

Of course we can do this for a short time to film a video or something. But there are risks.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
No there is no risk if you take care of your phone. The phone should be good when the water pressure dont get above 1.5bar so aslong as you dont go in flowing water or dive with it, it should be fine.

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Why? Thats why we have youtube so we dont need to do the same.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tudork:
Ah, so the phone is waterproof only on YouTube? That makes sense.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
No it makes more sense if you use your brain. Youtube is just a sample of what the phone can do so its not only waterproof on youtube but also IRL.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Psykhe:
The problem is that this 1.5bar figure is for normal tap water.

Everything what thesebastian mentioned lowers this figure. Soap lowers surface tension so soapy water can get past the seals at lower pressure. Salt and chlor can damage seals which lowers the maximum pressure they can take permanently. Water is not = water.

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It is the reverse actually.

Example: A youtube video of a phone falling 2 meters and not breaking.

Would you take that as proof they the phone in question will not break under such conditions?

No, of course not. It just means that it there is a *possibility* of it not breaking after a 2m fall. This is precisely because the youtube video is a sample of "what the phone can do". It cannot show the whole picture - and other possibilities what the "phone can do" is "break after the fall".

Same with the dunking video. The question is not if it can get damaged by water, that one is already answered. 100% waterproof does not exist. Even if the phone is normally 100% waterproof, there is always the chance of defects.

So question is the probability of it getting water damage. That chance can be any number- 0,001%, 1%, 5%, 25% or 75%. A youtube video of a single device getting submerged cannot show this.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Well i said youtube gives you a sample of whats possible and if you take care of your phone then you can use it in all sorts of different water types aslong as you clean it after. But the point is that not everyone uses their brain and think it can handle all without doing some checking etc before you gonna do it like check testmode and see if its waterproof before you dip it into water. Problem is that people use it in flowing water etc that raises the water pressure or go diving with it. I tried it so many times with my z3c and never had 1 problem even in salt water alsong as you clean it.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tudork:
Which means that you use your brain and everyone else who got their phones screwed after dunking them didn't use their brain. Impressive.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
No thats not what im saying but the thing is you will always hear first from people that screw up some how or got a bad device and still went under water. Like 99% of the people that have a good working device with no problems are less eager to start a topic or to respond to a topic. And yes you will always have some people that take it to far and those are the ones that dont think before they do anything.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] lezius:
Note that the water coming from the shower might be more than 1.5 bar.

Moving the phone in water might make the relative pressure more than 1.5bar.

It's the same problem with watch. The pressure of specifications are intend for non moving stuff in non moving water. It's like when you put your and thru the windows of a running car, the air is at normal pressure but on your hand, you feel the resistance increase with speed.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Psykhe:
And this is simply wrong.

It *might* work with salt water. But with chlorinated water the damage is already likely done by the time you get out of the water. And with soapy water cleaning does not help at all - the issue with it is not that it damages the seals, but that the seals are less effective against it.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] SirRobin78:
But i think the pressure sensor test in service menu should be good to see if the case if the seales are working...?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] firdyRAY:
Well I'm pretty sceptical after reading this because i have took underwater pics with my Z1 before and it works perfectly fine even til today.

Note that Z1 have a lower IP rating and I've been using it since 2013

Check out the attachment for proof that i had an underwater shot with my Z1

And if you say the newer batch is not as waterproof as it should be even against tap water, then i have to tell you that I've washed my M5 under running water on every edge of the phone to show off to my family.

At the end of the day it's all down to you trying to make full use of your phone capabilities
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Yea then atleast you know you dont have a faulty unit! And that keeps you from getting water damage.

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True, but many people that dont even own a xperia like to bash it without a good reason.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] guho:
Which are LTE bands (besides the usual Tmobile bands) supported by the SM-T807T ? I took this tablet to Italy and put an active TIM sim in it. It showed 4G data. But the WWAN performance was terrible compared to my phone (S4 i9505) using the same SIM. TIM uses bands 3 and 7 (1800&2600MHz) according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Europe .

The fact that the tablet showed 4G must mean the radio supports at least one of these bands. But it was so slow that it led me to believe something needs to be unlocked.

The device in question was rooted and sim-unlocked running latest stock Lollipop.
[OnePlus 2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bhanuteja200bc:
i have the invite ,but not yet sure to buy it or not..i know there is a lot of development thats gonna happen for this device..

Just want to if the heating issues of 810 can be solved with a good custom kernel in future?
[OnePlus 2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yellowsn0w:
there are no heating issues with the 810 on the opt. or any device for that matter after updates.
[OnePlus 2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gavin-phelan:
Yep I get 80°c on my cpu
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a1exus:
Are any of you on Verizon who can test simultaneous data and voice verizon lte for me?

Thanks!
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotmark:
Works.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a1exus:
Just to double sure, you're on Verizon, right?
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] patt2k:
go to questions and answers,look for my thread.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotmark:
Yes.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] techlogik:
Yeah, but like many other phones, HTC One M9...sometimes messing with different Roms/development breaks VoLTE...so when you are talking on the phone...no more data.

So careful with Verizon...only time will tell I guess...let's hope it is a go though no matter what you do to it.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a1exus:
I'm talking about stock rom
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oneandroidnut:
how do people have the phone already!?!?!?!
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotmark:
We've been getting them since Wednesday. This place is going to be blowing up, very shortly.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dewie68:
Doesn't work for me!
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oneandroidnut:
they werent shipping until the 15th i thought?!?!
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spotmark:
Interesting. I made a point of turning off my WiFi, making a call, and using the internet.

Amazon started shipping them out Tuesday.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oneandroidnut:
man i should have got from amazon lol
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cobjones:
If anyone can get it done for a business account let me know. The workaround for personal accounts won't work for me, and Verizon is saying they won't turn itbon because they don't recognize my device as one of theirs.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] razor237:
Worked for me with my N6 sim in the phone & WiFi off
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Restola:
Works for me. Add it to your line on Verizon's website.
[X Style (Pure) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sadboyzz:
Doesn't work for me.