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[Xperia Z5 General] Ben36:
The N5 camera used to be absolutely awful in low light. Software updates sorted it out, so maybe the same will happen from Sony
[Xperia Z5 General] Aidey68:
I thought that the sensor is currently exclusive to the Xperia Z5 range
[Xperia Z5 General] RiTCHiE007:
well thats what i thought also but i heard more high end models have it like honor 7 and the moto x style and the LetV Max all have the new 230 sensor.
[Xperia Z5 General] dexterxda:
I don't think it's wise to buy a phone with the hope that the manufacturer will tweak the software in the future. I 've used Sony long enough to know it won't. Still, I might buy a z5 premium coz of the screen (not necessarily the 4k,I just like Sony screens) and the waterproofing. The speakers shouldn't be too bad either. The S810 in my current m9 is not that bad and I'm waiting for the reviews to see if Sony were able to implement it properly. How come we can't find more reviews, the phone is available next week. Is therethere an embargo or something? Or is there a serious problem and the reviewers are waiting for an update before giving their final opinion.
[Xperia Z5 General] snoopygum:
Not sure if the Z5 is using IMX230 because of the spec discrepancies:

IMX230 - 21MP 1/2.4" sensor

Z5 Spec - 23MP 1/2.3" sensor

Having said that I can't find any additional details on the Z5 sensor.
[Xperia Z5 General] RiTCHiE007:
the new Z5 models have the Exmor RS IMX230 sensor.
[Xperia Z5 General] snoopygum:
Really? The only articles I can find that claims Z5 has the IMX230 are all speculation & rumor articles that predates the Z5 launch. If that is indeed true then how does one explain the different sensor size and resolution?
[Xperia Z5 General] chesterr:
No they made new sensor for themselves, it's actually a 25mp sensor.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
They don't.

As already said Moto X has the IMX230.

The one in the Z5 is a custom built 25mp sensor and its model number is currently unknown.
[Xperia Z5 General] pepeo123:
sorry, in that post i was refering to note 5, not nexus 5

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the avaliable imx230 is an 1/2.4 type with 21.5Mp resolution, and has a 0.25s PDAF, wich is diferent from the 1/2.3 25Mp with 0.03s PDAF sensor found in the z5.

its rumored that the z5 has an IMX300 series sensor, but nothing is confirmed so far.
[Xperia Z5 General] itsjustJOH:
Stop your BS, mate. The one in the Z5 series is undisclosed.
[Xperia Z5 General] dgutsul:
IPhone focus too much just because of his name working on company, not quality
[Xperia Z5 General] Aidey68:
I just hope that lives up to its own billing in that it has the best camera currently on a smartphone and their image stabiliser does a good job in low light conditions
[Xperia Z5 General] chesterr:
Nexu 6P ranked 2nd in DXO mark and wonder how they rank Z5.

Sadly Sony supplies all these camera modules to all the OEMs and still they can't make the software right,

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-Nexus-6P-review-Serious-contender-for-mobile-photography

P.S: Google took really serious about the camera department this time around, I think Nexu 6P & 5X will be great devices.
[Xperia Z5 General] chesterr:
Alright Z5 just claimed the crown back

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-Z5-Mobile-review-Best-mobile-photo-video-scores-to-date
[Xperia Z5 General] itsjustJOH:
The only contender remaining is the 6s/6s Plus for this year. Let's see if the Z5 still retains the crown until MWC 2016. Very good job for Sony, nonetheless!
[Xperia Z5 General] chesterr:
[YOUTUBE]trHMfStbQUE[/YOUTUBE]

Well Sony did an amazing job compared to S6 Edge +, so watching this video will give you an idea where the 6s/6s Plus will be. No where near the Sony's Z5. But Sony must really improve on Artifacts and Low light performances. I really think in time with proper software update Sony Z5 will be an amazing device.

My body is ready for Z6 or Z7 :p
[Xperia Z5 General] hung2900:
Idk why very few people mentioning the real reason why camera on Sony's phone suck.

I used only Xperia Z2, and I can see clearly the culprit is the lens. Sony wants to keep the sensor not so thick to not protrude but still use a very big sensor (1/2.3").

Purple glaring, unstable shots, a lot of differences in detail btw center and side, and the most important thing: NOT SO DETAILED EVEN WITH VERY HIGH RESOLUTION.

Just look at other "Sony's" sensor

- iPhone: Just 1/3" but still protruded

- Samsung: 1/2.6" and protruded a lot

- LG G4: 1/2.6", very thick at the camera point.

It has a reason for protruding
[Xperia Z5 General] bilboa1:
Yea i wished i could replace my z3 lens so many times. Its a nice lens for its size but id rather it protude and be better.

That said the z5 is thicker so maybe thats a little bit better.
[Xperia Z5 General] marc39327:
+1

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+1
[Xperia Z5 General] GloriaPowers:
Z5 camera is the best
[Xperia Z5 General] gavinfabl:
Some real life shots taken with the Z5, all auto.

http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/10/08...good-is-the-new-23mp-camera-see-for-yourself/
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
The sensors are fine, its sonys poor processing and has been for a while, its improved but still not up to par
[Xperia Z5 General] hung2900:
"Post" Processing has nothing to do with most of the reported camera problem, tbh.

Poor "post" processing = good raw images + bad processing = bad images

But these photos are wrong at the beginning, regardless the processing.

P/s: But of course I agree that Sony is too ignorant to keep the stupid and complicated camera modes and interface but lack of necessary features.
[Xperia Z5 General] tiborprogmed:
is there anybody who is satisfied with Z5 camera? I can see 90% of people complaining about quality.

I have s6 with Android 6.0, shutter speed control and RAW, that is awesome.

Is here with tons of taken pictures who is satisfied with this Z5's camera?

I am about to buy a z5 too, but i'm afraid of this issues. OR just a couple of people are complaining?

thx
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Sony z5 rear camera is better but front facing camera of s6 is better.
[Xperia Z5 General] Andry16:
i think g4 has the best cam at this moment
[Xperia Z5 General] Jonathan-H:
If you've got an S6, keep it. The Z5 camera in daylight can compete with S6, but in any other scenario you will be very very disappointed coming to Z5. The S6 and the LG G4 cameras in real world usage are much much better than the Z5. Indoors and low light the Z5 is useless and the S6 and G4 will trounce it every single time.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Well if you go to the hospital you wont find happy people right?

It's like that with all things and a bit more with Z5 due to decentered lenses on some revision units and a bit wonky software aswell as 'being in the spot light' so you will have both legit complaints and troll complaints from people who would never buy it or would want to have it due to preferences. Still it produces some of the best photos on the mobile phone arena with very good low noise/chroma noise balance (can be even better if Sony gets its thumb out of the a** and allows software to fully exploit the sensors). G4 suffers from heavy chroma noise wherever there is shades/shadows in photos so you would have to post-process the image yourself to remove chroma noise. G6 suffers it less but it is there and it comes with atrocious post-processing sharpening and tonal contrast, lacking depth and cant even beat the Z1 in any light condition and you risk getting the ISOCELL which basically is the Galaxy S5 camera with atrocious quality especially in low light. You can find complaints about this on S6 forum part and for each mobile you got something.
[Xperia Z5 General] tiborprogmed:
have you seen the new results?

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sams...bile-review-Bigger-and-better-for-photography

The s6e+ finally get to the top.

I was owning/using all sony smartphones , last was z3+. The best was z3 (that was unable to focus well in macro...I uses z5c too), the s6 toke the lead, even with ISOcell. I dont't know what is SONY doing ....
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
So it magically got revamped? With ISOCELL to? Then it can share that spot with the S5 as it is the same camera module.. I also count to 86 as the score not 87. Guess DxOMarks christmas present from Samsung was late haha!

As for Xperia Phones I would pick Z1 or Z2 over Z3 as it oversharpens and has a bigger radius for the unsharp mask which depending on situation and scene might be positive or negative. Z1 and Z2 has a more neutral post-processing scheme (Z2 has slightly bigger radius for unsharp mask) leaving it to you to add it if you want to in your favorite editor.

That said the sensors in the Xperia Z1+ line are far more capable than the default camera app allows you to exploit. I cant think about any other reason than incompetence and ignorance aswell as clueless suits not grasping the situation and broken communication between departments. I mean since the Z1, all Z series phones have had panorama in default camera app with a final file size of MAX 1MB (massive jpeg compression). That's insane as it should be near 20MB at jpeg 95-97% which is the compression ratio for regular photos taken with stock camera app! But atleast Pre Z5 you can use third party camera apps to exploit quite a lot of the possibilities. I even learned yesterday that you can use ISO 6400 at 21MP on the Z1! Semi night vision at full-res..

Would also be interesting if they would redo tests after some time. Lots of phones gets tweaks to the algorithms like for example the Z1 which got a massive uppgrade some 6 months into its life.

Z1 uppgrade (early)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2496559

Z2 uppgrade (later)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59508863&postcount=894
[Xperia Z5 General] whatever86:
dxomark score

Just a quick glance over on dxomark score

Sony z5 Photo score 88 Video score 86

S6e+ Photo score 87 Video score 85

Sorry can't post link due to low posts.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
LOL... why are people still harping about the Z5's camera? No, S6e+ didn't beat the Z5 on DXOMark. Z5 still has higher scores, even if the somehow the overall score is the same, as whatever86 mentioned. I don't understand why are there so many butthurt Samsung fanboys on the Z5 forum. They are both decent cameras, but certainly not as good as a real camera.

The difference is pretty simple: It's easier to take low light pics with the S6, G4, etc., with OIS. The Z5's closed-loop actuator is far better for taking videos. In daylight, the Z5 is slightly better, but there's not a whole lot of difference.

Bottom line: In choosing the Z5 or not, consider how important taking videos is to you. Go check out the Z5 Intelligent Active SteadyShot videos on Youtube.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
I am just waiting for major update from Sony and Samsung ...let's see what they will bring??
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
with [MENTION=355403]joe_dude[/MENTION] heaps of people bantering on here like they are photography experts. I am certain 90% of them never print the photos, and even more again never print large prints. 99.99% of people use the camera phones to post up to social media, which almost all lower the quality of photo's anyway.

The Sony Z series has always been up high on the DXO Mark website for each given release, Sony's biggest mistake on almost all of these is that they were rushing to market and the camera quality was crap when tested and fixed in later updates.

Z5 at the top proves that the Z5 is better overall (at lest on the sample they received).

IMO Sony should just stick to 20MP cameras, and fix the image processing to provide more details in the final result. I don't think Sony have learnt anything from the Point and Shoot MP game, people generally don't want more just better quality which is why many have dropped to 12-18MP for those sensor sizes.

I was disgusted by the Z5 when I first got it compared to and of the Previous Z series, the photo quality is much better with .200 firmware, so unless you are running this stop your whining. Low light is very acceptable, and normal shooting conditions very good.
[Xperia Z5 General] ramiki:
My choice Iphone 6 bro
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
TBH, I found very little quality difference between the phones (compared to, say, DSLRs). Even the crappy iphone (and its smaller sensor) isn't really much worse. But the reviews have generally been really poorly done. It was clear that most reviewers were not imaging experts (or even somewhat knowledgeable in that field). They just took some random pics and compared them, even when they clearly didn't look the same (like wtf?!).

Also, the fact that most reviews simply glossed over the IA SteadyShot video was a huge disservice to the Z5. The closed-loop actuator is its best new feature, and the reviews didn't even mention it (wtf #2). Only a few reviews (like Btekt, manilashaker, DXOMark) really showcased it. Taking good video is pretty important these days you would think! Most reviews were so biased, it was really kinda sad. Oh well, at least I got the phone I wanted, and taken lots of good pics and videos with it.

For taking both good pics and video, I think the Z5 is still the best choice. We'll see what 2016 brings.... :)
[Xperia Z5 General] oppressed11:
nice camera
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mpridmore816@gmail.com:
I used StumpRoot to root and unroot (and then re-root) my G-tab VK810. Is there a way to reset the flash counter terms so that my device status reverts to "Original" instead of "Modified"? I want to take the Lollipop update.
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeanGibson:
Since you are apparently still on 4.4.4, you can use the LG Flash Tool and the 24A KDZ file to restore the system partition (discussed in other threads), and that should do it (you lose root). It's what I did to accomplish the same thing.

Starting with Lollipop, it's becoming increasingly difficult to get OTA updates after you've ever rooted, and so I've made the reluctant decision to stay unrooted, until the device is no longer subject to OTA updates. Note that on my original Droid phone from Verizon, I was still getting OTA updates more than two years after I bought it.

It's annoying, but some of the updates are to fix real security holes (read about the multiple "StageFright" vulnerabilities), so I like to keep getting OTA updates.
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mpridmore816@gmail.com:
No luck.

I tried your suggestion, but it hasn't worked. I've tried several times. The G-Tab won't go into download mode; it just shows the battery percentage (full). Neither Windows 10 (on a brand new laptop) nor ADB recognize the G-Tab. I've tried updating drivers, etc., but nothing's work. I even did a factory reset on the G-Tab. Oy. Any suggestions, other than throwing the tab out the window?
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeanGibson:
It doesn't work on my Win7 x64 box either, and I've tried multiple times. Since I didn't want to make it a life-long project, I did in on an old Win XP (x86) box, where it works (after getting current drivers) every time. Just ignore the "can't contact the server" error message (don't click on anything, just move it out of the way).
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Make sure you're trying to get into Download mode the right way; it's different than on the other variants.

I belive on the VK810.4G, I've found the easiest way is to turn the G Pad fully off (even after the screen goes blank, it may be another several seconds).

Then preferably using the original USB cable that came with it, and a USB 2.0 port on the Windows PC, and not through a hub, plug the cable into both the PC and tablet.

Wait for the tablet battery charging animation to fully load, then press the Up Volume button, and while holding it press the Power Button and hold both until you see a very faint "Download Mode" in the center of the screen.

I've seen Windows take up to 10 or more minutes to actually load the Verizon-LG drivers (that you need to install before all this) once you plug it in the first time in Download mode.

Another idiosyncrasy of USB ports is even plugging the same device as previously into a different port than before will need Windows to load the driver again.

Just wanted to note that I've used LG Flash Tool 2014 in both Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 x64 successfully (and a lot). Just confirming that the experience is definitely sometimes slightly different with slightly different hardware.

[VK810.4G] [altev] [ViKtory810ROM] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

[VK810.4G] [altev] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

DEBLOAT SCRIPTS

and copies of all the files they remove

[VK810.4G] [altev] OTAs, .IMGs and KDZs, oh my
[X Play Original Android Development] squid2:
Initial Build Up

The first ever custom kernel for the Moto X Play is now available!

The kernel includes everything mentioned above. It includes notification LED support, and the notification LED will start working on the stock ROM after flashing this kernel. It does not include IntelliPlug or Lionfish, as they are incompatible with big.LITTLE systems in their present state.

I have tested the core functionality and everything appears to work. However, since this is a very early release, I would not be surprised if bugs exist. Please report any bugs or crashes you encounter.

Since everything appears to work in this kernel, we are all set for a CyanogenMod port. Tomorrow, I plan to start porting CM12.1 to this device. If you're lucky, you might be seeing a fully working CM build by tomorrow night.
[X Play Original Android Development] ephumuris:
Mate you freakin legend. That's some quick development support for our battery beast. I'm working too long hours to test this just now if I get chance on a break I'll get twrp installed etc my device is only rooted so far.

Noticed you brought cm12 to osprey as well. Do you have a donations link as I'd like to donate a little when I get paid just as a thank you.
[X Play Original Android Development] dictionary:
So far haven't noticed any performance improvements (still fresh) but I am LOVING this notification light!!! I can finally at a quick glance tell if it's worth reaching for my phone. And at night, I know where it is. You're awesome! Definitely need a donate link ..
[X Play Original Android Development] CharlesW123:
Firstly thanks for working on the X Play. Installed fine but Moto Voice now not working? Cannot switch on in Moto app, was fine prior to flashing this kernel?
[X Play Original Android Development] squid2:
I just checked and can confirm that the kernel breaks audio input for Moto Voice. The microphone works fine everywhere else though. There is probably a small change Motorola made to the audio path for always listening audio between the osprey and lux kernels, or it might have been broken by a CodeAurora change. I'll do some more investigating when I get time.
[X Play Original Android Development] XMoDuLeSx:
Deep sleep issues, the device stay awake 2h now after flashing the kernel.
[X Play Original Android Development] Devhux:
Seeing that myself as well. Guessing something related to the Moto Voice glitch (mine Force Closes from time to time).
[X Play Original Android Development] Denni2306:
Nope, didn't work. I try it 3 times. TWRP says "successfully" after the zip flash but Android reboot with the original Kernel.

With your TWRP it is no problem.

The deep sleep issues: i have no, BUT i have disabled many Motorola apps with Titanium (Moto Voice too)

the kernel is going well

the system runs a little better and the CPU is clocked down faster which saves battery.

However, the read / write rates from the internal memory card have become worse. Have tested it with Androbench.

about 1000 iops fewer

I/O Scheduler: Fiops with 1024kb Read-Ahead

but that's not so bad

Thank you for your effort

if I may donate you a coffee / beer, tell me ;)
[X Play Original Android Development] Mennooo:
Thank you, finally some led notifikation action :)

Skickat från min XT1562 via Tapatalk
[X Play Original Android Development] CharlesW123:
Thanks, also to note have flashed back a stock boot.img file via fastboot and can't get on WiFi? The WiFi toggle goes straight back to off? So can either go back to stock and have working Moto Voice but no WiFi, or use your Kernel and have no Moto Voice :( I used the boot.img here: http://xdaforums.com/moto-x-play/general/recovery-boot-img-t3191436 My phone is the same version as listed, XT1562 EU any ideas please?
[X Play Original Android Development] squid2:
That's because the WiFi kernel module must match the kernel. Had you taken a system backup prior to flashing my kernel? If so, restore it. Otherwise, reflash system and boot, and then re-root your device if you want.
[X Play Original Android Development] squid2:
Did the two of you have Moto Voice set up before flashing the kernel? I'm not having any wakelock issues myself, but I had never set up Moto Voice. I'll try to reproduce the wakelock issue when I get time.
[X Play Original Android Development] Devhux:
I did. Maybe I'll load wakelock detector to confirm if Moto Voice is the culprit.
[X Play Original Android Development] Nico3d3:
Will wait until Moto Voice bug is eliminated to install it.
[X Play Original Android Development] squid2:
Moto Voice Status

After some testing, I can confirm that nothing I did broke Moto Voice. I took the osprey stock kernel and added in a minimal set of patches to get it working on lux. Unfortunately, the Moto Voice issue was still present there. It doesn't make much sense to waste many hours trying to figure out what change is needed to fix Moto Voice when Motorola has already fixed the issue and will be releasing kernel sources soon. Thus, you'll probably have to wait for Motorola to release kernel sources for me to fix Moto Voice.
[X Play Original Android Development] ephumuris:
How long can we expect Motorola to make us wait for it. How timely have they been in the past. This is my first Motorola since the Moto Defy!
[X Play Original Android Development] CharlesW123:
Yes figured that and restored my boot and system from TWRP thanks, thought it best to mention in case anyone else wanted to revert back to stock :) Thanks for the quick feedback, will give your kernel a go again once it's all working.
[X Play Original Android Development] leonardoroza:
Hey man, remember to not ask for ETA on XDA. As a Moto Play user, I know exactly your feelings about this first kernel [emoji106]

PS: Motorola hasn't take long about releasing it's sources.

Cheers

Moto X Play nice
[X Play Original Android Development] dictionary:
This one's different lol. Not asking a dev, but rather how long the OEM takes to release on average.

I play nice!! Sometimes ... Lol
[X Play Original Android Development] Higgsy:
Yes XT1562 UK here.

Plot thickens as also wifi and access to external sd is also blocked/not working. I have tried the latest twrp build and same issue, I have also redownloaded the zip (even though md5 matched), it flashes fine but just causes these issues.

No Biggy, r10b working flawlessly for the last few weeks. :good:
[X Play Original Android Development] treibstoff:
no sim here too.. back to 10b. but 10b is running great thx
[X Play Original Android Development] squid2:
No SIM issue on r10c

Some people have been reporting no SIM issues on r10c ([MENTION=2091785]Higgsy[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4581383]treibstoff[/MENTION]), though it doesn't happen on my device. I've heard similar reports on surnia, where it works for most people, but some people started having no SIM issues that go away when returning to r10b. I'm not quite sure what would have caused this, so I'm posting three builds in between r10b and r10c for you to test. Let me know for which versions SIM works and for which ones it doesn't. Make sure you use my latest recovery build (twrp-lux-2.8.7-r3.img that I posted on vache's thread).