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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, people who jumped immediately and got replacements when 5.1 first came out in July (finally!) for the XT1254 could get 4.4.4 still on replacement Droid Turbos. But now by mid September... Seems like Verizon has caught up.

That's why I asked if your new replacement XT1254 shipped to you actually still had 4.4.4 (instead of stock 5.1) and you could flash another ROM. ;)

There still may be 4.4.4 Droid Turbo phones out there in Verizon stores with older inventory. But those phones would be given to people who walk in and buy a new phone -- not to customers ordering a replacement phone, which are shipped from Verizon.

And those new phone buyers may not even realize what they have in their hands. First thing they would do is hit the update button. :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
All that being said though, if you ever get a hold of a 4.4.4 Turbo, I'll send a stock + root + tethering rom your way.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ntxct:
So wait... there's a huge debate in threads talking about being apart of the soak test or even mentioning it exists.. which one side is boiled down to "breaking the manufacturer rules..." but you can literally post a topic about breaking a carrier's rules and i'ts all good? The world is a confusing, confusing place.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] CollinFX45:
FYI, I got a 4.4.4 replacement device yesterday straight from Motorola. Might be worth a shot if you ever need another replacement. My Verizon one also had 5.1. Kind of funny that the manufacturer had the old firmware and Verizon had the latest. I figured Verizon would do everything in their power to revert it to Gingerbread or something :)

-Collin-
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
There was that debate here which was hilariously ridiculous, when the head of Motorola software even mentioned the 5.1 soak tests in his blog. Some guy who claims to be a rep for Motorola -- named Moto Mark or something -- was laughed away after that. Basically his boss can shout it from the rooftops to the world, but users can't? Ha. :rolleyes:
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrquaid:
I am currently running an OG5 based ROM, with the OB7 bootloader.

I had been keeping the OB7 bootloader, instead of upgrading to OE1/OF5, because it allowed me to go back to Kit Kat NK2, after evaluating the initial lollipop release.

Now that OG5 is out, I am pretty happy and can't imagine going back to KK.

So I've been trying to get Android Pay to allow me store a credit card and no fix has worked. I am thinking that it might be because my rom and bootloader don't match up (OB7 & OG5)?

I was going to give it a shot, but now wondering if there is any reason to keep OB7 bootloader, other than having the option to downgrade?

If I decide to go all OG5 (ROM and bootloader) is there any easier way than starting with the OTA?

Thanks,
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ch3ck3rs:
Also curious about this. If you get it working please share what steps you took. To be honest, all I'd like to do in Android Pay would be to set up the loyalty cards.... seems as though you can input any until you've verified at least 1 credit or debit card
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ch3ck3rs:
Also... any chance its possible to set up a card on Android Pay from another unrooted device then use as normal from your rooted phone once a card is added to your account? I don't have a secondary device to try
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrquaid:
Do you also have the OB7/OG5 combo?

I wonder if anyone with OG5/OG5 has had any luck. from what I've read plenty of people with unlocked bootloaders have been successful.

FYI there is an app called Keyring that does a decent job with loyalty cards.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ch3ck3rs:
Yep. I have the same combo. Running Saintz OBAR
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dh350nwo:
A lot of variables are at play here. Most root users of any device are hitting roadblocks when it comes to getting AP to load their cards. In my instance I am on OG5/OG5 running HybridX 3. I've explored nearly all of the 'fixes' out there short of flashing the stock build.prop. Some reports are saying it is checking against known good OS (ie: CM12 stable vs. CM12 nightly). Others are saying it is checking directory level instances of root (ex: system/bin/su or system/xbin/su). Still more are just unlucky and are hitting the wall for no explained reason (there is a reason I'm sure, the info provided isn't helping). What it is going to boil down to is some smart cookie is going to unlock the secret, and we're going to say 'you've got to be kidding, that was too easy'.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ThatGuy94:
With Android Pay, it will block root users and I haven't found a way that gets around it on the Note 4, even with Root Cloak and No Device Check to mask root and custom ROM's to get it to work.

From what I saw, Android Pay does have SafetyNet built in to it to check if your device and your firmware match up. I ran into the same issue with running the OB7 bootloader and CM12.1 ROM which doesn't work. I'm assuming you are having a similar as me issue with using the 0B7 bootloader and a 0G5 ROM. Unfortunately, you will probably have to unroot and go back to stock to get it to work since none of the workarounds I've tried hasn't worked.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nacron:
I use beep and go, works with older infrared barcode scanners
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] duongdn:
I'm currently on 5.01 and OB7. I was able to get Android Pay to let me add a card by going into the settings menu in SuperSU and disabling Superuser. I entered the card info and Android Pay was set up. I used it at Toys R Us today and works perfect. I re-enabled Superuser in SuperSU and was able to still use Android Pay.

I have the same question as OP. What are the benefits of staying on OB7? I am getting ready to update to 5.1.1 using this link

http://xdaforums.com/note-4-sprint/...g-to-5-1-1-t3199881/post62794303#post62794303

Do I need to stay on OB7 to install custom roms? Can I install custom roms with OG5? I would like to eventually install a stockish rom that has Knox and Itson removed, along with all the bloatware.

Thanks!
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dh350nwo:
Quick answer is OB7 allows you to go back to KK OG5 will not
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] duongdn:
Thanks! No intention on going back to KK. So if I update to OG5, I can still flash a custom rom?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
Quick answer is yes but you'd be limited to OG5 ROMs if you flashed the stock OG5 tar. You may also get Noterized, sacs and CM12 custom ROMs. Your backups would be void.

If you instead chose to keep the OB7 bootloader, you could flash the OB7 to OG5 tar ball by tx_dbs_tx and still be be able to Odin the older tars to use the ROMs or backups you have now.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=62274955&postcount=1

There are some S6 ROM ports (not quite stable as stock) but it looks like there's a possible banding of developers to get the Note 5 ported to OG5. What's stable at the moment are the stock Note 4 ROMs with a few mods. tx_dbs_tx Hybrid X or stock OG5 ROMs have been getting props by users; use that if you're not into running stock rooted Odex.

I'm actually running stock Odex from the tar ball flash linked above, just Odin'd TWRP and rooted with Beastmode kernel and SuperSU zip in recovery, debloated and modified it.

Edit: The OG5 custom ROMs are pre-rooted. You'd only need to Odin TWRP and follow OP install instructions to install. I'd recommend the Beastmode kernel though. Some say adjust the volume level in Synapse but I do it with Viper4Android and leave the Dolby Atmos volume leveler enabled. It pumps the bass without volume too high or too low.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cherylbaker:
Sigh. I had great hopes this would help me but no luck i disabled superuser and still android pay says cannot vetify my device... any other thoughts? I am on 5.01 sttaight up rooted running alliance rom

cheryl
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nacron:
Safetynet has to verify the Rom is original to the phone. If you're not using stock Android Pay will throw that message
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dh350nwo:
SafetyNet is just 1 part of the puzzle. If it was the only thing then the Xposed module 'No Device Check' would be enough to bypass. There are multiple checks taking place.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iceburn1:
OG5 and non OG5 roms

You can run any rom under OG5 if you took full OG5 update, Ive been running all sorts of ROMs that are not OG5 and they work just fine, flash everything as normal just flash beast mode kernal or emotion kernel or AEL kernel, after flashing ROM...any exploited OG5 kernel will work.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
I recall reading that but couldn't recall the steps. Makes sense. Thanks.

Edit: I wouldn't recommend Odin any tar. I believe you still cannot go backwards regarding Odin. The OG5 bootloader won't allow downgrade flash.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cherylbaker:
So your saying unless you are running stock rom and no root there is no way to get android pay to work :(

cheryl
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dh350nwo:
In short yes. Long version is that the unit needs to be on a stock ROM with root hidden. Many users are able to get AP to work when they hide root on setup using Root Cloak and/or turning off SU. Some others have not had success doing this also. AP is checking multiple things along with root, kernel changes, Xposed installation, and other things. Safety net is only one check. Those of us that are rooted using custom ROMs with other changes are going to have to wait until a smart Dev can crack the mystery.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cherylbaker:
What if you went stock set it up avd than flashed back custom rom... does it do the same ssfety checks even after it is setup?

cheryl
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nacron:
Probably won't work, there are a lot of reports of people who are able to add cards by unrooting or hiding root but can't run transactions if root is reenabled
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dh350nwo:
This answers our questions.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=62981452&postcount=55
[Asus ZenWatch 2] Holiq:
Dear all,

I have bought Zenwatch 2, but I cannot connected with my Iphone. I have installed Android Wear on Iphone and I can pair over android wear over bloetooth can detect. But the connection always fail.

OS Android Wear my Zenwatch is 5.0.2 and IOS my Iphone 8.4.1, Do you have solution about my problem ?
[Asus ZenWatch 2] sinple:
Are u sure it's the unreleased zenwatch 2 and not a zen watch 1?

Does yr zenwatch has a heartrate monitor, that's requires u to press 2 finger on the front of the watch to measure?
[Asus ZenWatch 2] Holiq:
I am not sure about our watch is ZW 1 or ZW 2, I dont know what the different.

Yes, Our ZW has a heartrate if I touch with 2 finger. Btw the problem is pair with my Iphone5. I want to know how to update Android Wear my ZW from 5.0.2 into 5.1.1

Thank you for your reply

Regards,

Holiq Hudairi
[Asus ZenWatch 2] sinple:
Yrs is zw1.

Officially, it's not supported with iPhone. Only zw2, new moto 360 and LG urbane, hua Wei supports it.

Unofficially, plus check zw1 xda forum.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
Hi there,

I am currently using Note 3 (N900A). Want to get a new phone on Tmobile. Since Note 5 doesn't have memory card slot, IR blaster, and removable battery, Note Edge .

Do you think it's too late to own Note Edge now especially if I want to use Kitkat with it ?

i heard that lollipop update on Note Edge worsens the experience , Kitkat is still preferred. But is running Kitkat on it stable enough to use it for the next one year or two?

Also, i will be using it on Tmobile. Can you suggest which Note Edge variant is the best on Tmobile (N915T or other?)

If you can share your view and experience with your Note Edge as your daily device. That will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klect:
In my honest opinion: Go with the Note Edge.

I still haven't rooted my phone because I simply did not feel the need to do so. I m running lollipop and don't have any complaints. You can always go back to KitKat if that is what you prefer.

My Note Edge is still running as smoothly as the first month I got it, as long as you take care of it (use ccleaner etc.) you will not be disappointed! The addition of the Edge makes multi window kinda unnecessary but makes the experience of multitasking so much better. Before buying though: Try the Edge yourself! (if possible).

In comparison to newer phones, the Note Edge is still a beast. More than enough processing power, ram, a beautiful display which keeps up with today's standards, a camera which is still one of the best on the markets and battery life which you can't complain about.

As you can see, I still love my phone. And of course everyone has a different taste and preference so that is why you have to try it out yourself, see if you like the edge and it's benefits (hint: it takes a while to get to know all the features).

As to your question "Is it stable enough to use it for the next year or two?". From personal experience (owning the device for almost a year now), it is still very stable. Will it be stable after another year? I simply would not know since the device is still (even though the next generation is already here) quite new.

If you have any questions about the device, usage or whatever, just ask!

I'm running my Edge with a flip case by the way, which does not cover the edge but brings a lot of extra features!!
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
Thanks for the insight.

One quick question about the lollipop update. I read that lollipop update removes some functionality from the edge screen (e.g. Camera shutter button is moved back to main screen).

What about the Answer Call swipe? Does it still use the Edge Screen to do the Answer/Reject for incoming calls on Lollipop?

Thanks.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klect:
As far as I know, and I'm always using the flip cover, my calls always come in from the edge. I don't know if that is the case when the flip cover is open though.

To be honest, moving the shutter button to the main screen was good for normal pictures, the only moment it would come in handy was with the front facing camera!

Hope this helps!
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alarmmy:
Answer Call feature are still on the edge with lollipop 5.1. I love Note Edge. I am pretty upset with Samsung because they drop their balls in this incredible phone. And the critics should go to hell because they were bashing this phone too much, which might lead to the point that consumers were afraid of buying Note Edge.

The edge is unique and very useful, it is not gimmick like the lunatics in Engadget/Cnet were complaining about.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
Thanks. So should I go for Lollipop or Kitkat if I am shopping for a Note Edge?

(I am assuming that Lollipop OTA on N915T is not stoppable unless phone is rooted, so most used phones are already loaded with Lollipop?)
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klect:
You can turn auto-update off in the settings > about phone > software update
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edo101:
I am begining to think either the mass public is just soo dumb (most likely) and or Cnet and other tech review sites are paid off. The Note Edge simply put is the best phone out there. Even if you are not a power user. The Edge screen adds soo much and makes it soo useful. I have a lot of opinions about how great this phone is and how people that disregard it or criticized it are just full of crap. How hard can it be not to see this amazing phone is no gimmick.

Anyways get it. Use Swappa. Phones there are authentic and cheaper than eBay and TMo store. Love my Edge. It came with 5.0.1 but I downgraded it to KitKat and its perfect. I cannot use another phone that doesn't have an Edge screen that actually does stuff like the Note EDge.

Also the criticism that it's hard to hold is simply false. If anything, the edge screen adds more space for you to have a firm grip. I have dropped this phone waaay less than any other phone I ever had. Also get the Flip Case. Oh and the Screen is tough too
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alarmmy:
All the tech review sites are Apple isheeps. Whatever android features or Samsung phones are mediocre to them. Once Apple copies all of that, those features will be incredible. Now iOS9 has "back button" and "pop up video". Honestly, I want them to go bankrupt.

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I have no issue with Lollipop, but some others do. To be safe, you may need to stick with kitkat.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkirton:
Answer call swipe is still there on the Edge screen. I am on Lolipop 5.01 (heard there were issues with 5.11 so I haven't moved up to that version yet).

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When I got my Note Edge, I really thought I was going to have an issue holding the phone because of that edge screen. I thought that my thumb would cause all sort of touch issues with it. Surprisingly, I haven't had any of the issues that I thought I would with the Note Edge. The only complaint on this is that it runs slow, but I think that's all the bloat software Samsung and Sprint (especially Sprint) puts on it. So far, I've been able to get rid of some of the Samsung and Sprint software I don't use, which has helped with speed and responsiveness.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leomaxi:
My Note Edge sm-915FY is very fast with 4.4.4 and 5.0.1, I think that's all the bloat software Samsung and Sprin
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chowdarygm:
good to see that there are other people who feels the sameway I do........ these iSheeps are beyond anything.... making so much fuss about 3D touch (where is 3D in it ?)
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edo101:
Yeah its really good to see others like us man. Its just a shame the Note Edge has been neglected even by Samsung. This phone to this day is simply the best phone ever made. I power use the Edge screen like no other and the S Pen
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
That's good to hear. Hopefully, I will join the Edge owner's club soon.

BTW, it seems that there is no way to disable the android notification on top. So is it annoying to see notification flashing on both top notification bar as well as on the edge screen? Or do most people disable Edge screen notification?
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edo101:
On KitKat which is really the best Android version this phone can be on because like I said Samsung forgot this phone once it launched, the notfications don't pop on top. It just shows up on EDge Screen

The only thing that shows up on top is the notifications but its muted if that makes sense. It doesn't pop up to annoy your view. you only see them when you drag notifications down. Note Edge's TW is intigrated with 4.4.4. Samsung as is their launch and ditch strategy left Google to update its phones. So 5.0.1 and up notifications are treated the same way as other phones. AS we all know, this aint like any other phone.

its really a tragic tale man. The Note EDge would be soo beast on the Note 5's TW which is 5.1 based
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
I see. So far, all the used Note Edge on the market for sell are already updated with 5.0.1.

Is the downgrading to stock 4.4.4 troublesome/risky? I couldn't find an instruction specifically for the Tmobile version of Edge.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edo101:
The T Mobile version is the easiest I'd say to downgrade.

If phone is at 5.0.1, and not 5.1 Follow this direction: http://androidsigma.com/how-to-downgrade-samsung-note-edge-from-android-lollipop-to-kitkat/

Except instead of paying to download the stock KitKat ROM, get it from here: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95832962473396964

Then if your phone is stuck on bootloop. Do what I did. Restart phone on the stock recovery mode. Wipe data, then wipe cache

After that, the phone will reboot. Set it up, then restart again in recovery to wipe cache only this time. This helps with battery life.

It's that easy. I'm staying on 4.4.4 till Samsung decides to stop playing around and make a new Note Edge
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
Thanks a lot for the info.

Is there any killer edge panel or edge apps you guys would recommend?
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edo101:
FlipBoard for news, Edgeboard to be able to have another favorite apps panel (Kit Kat for Tmo doesn't let you customiz the second fav apps edge panel). Thats all I use. When you get the Edge, you can see what works for you.

Music player to go for is definitely PowerAmp. I am grateful they cared enough to use the Edge Panel. I wish MX video player did the same
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bschai:
Thanks a lot. I think I am getting a bit ahead of myself.

My immediate concern is, is there a safe way to buy a fully paid off used N915T?

Swappa and Tmobile imei check doesn't say if IMEI is fully paid off or not. It only tells you if it's blacklisted or not. When you check the imei at the time of sale, it's all good and then two months later, it will become blacklisted.

I know that many used Tmobile phone sellers sell their phones , and then stop the EIP payment one or two months later.

Any recommendation on where and how to buy a N915T safely? Thanks again.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ickyz:
Honesly buy a NEXUS
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edo101:
Ask them if they fully paid for it and that it won't be blacklisted. Make them write it out on text so you have proof.

Have had mine for about a month. No issues so far. I asked him those questions

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Oh and on Swappa, the sellers have ratings so you know you can buy with confidence. thats what helped me hit the buy button. I bought from a guy that had a perfect score on Swappa after 45 reviews and an perfect score of 325 of Ebay reviews. Hard not to trust that
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meow4agc:
Hi,

I went through multiple threads and tried a few of the methods mentioned there, but it seems I'm stuck with the Attacked kernel from this thread (http://xdaforums.com/moto-g/orig-development/kernel-attacked-kernel-v1-t3074686).

I'm runing [MENTION=1006674]lost101[/MENTION] optimized 5.0.2 ROM on my XT1034. I first installed moggy kernel which I liked, but couldn't live with the not working camera. I then installed the attacked kernel. With the experience being not as smooth as with moggy, I decided today that I wanted to go back to moggy. However, when I tried installing the kernel, the phone remains in a boot-loop.

I tried the following:

- delete system/lib/modules, wipe Dalvik cache and install moggy - boot-loop on bootloader screen

- delete system/lib/modules, wipe Dalvik cache and install stock kernel + stock modules - phone resets after reaching lock screen

- wipe Dalvik cache and install attacked again - phone works fine.

What am I missing here? Do I need to do a fresh ROM install?

Moggy kernel here: http://xdaforums.com/moto-g/orig-development/kernel-moggy-v13-falcon-t3173587
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pradeeppk:
Dirty flash the ROM and then flash moggy kernel
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meow4agc:
Thanks. Did it and it worked perfectly.