yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sony Xperia E3] B373lgeuse:
So what's this?

Hi guys, my Name is Tomek and this is my first post. I've registered to show you something what I didn't tried yet (cause I'm noob) http developer sonymobile com knowledge-base open-source open-devices list-of-devices-and-resources

I can't post links, add dots before and after "sonymobile " and "/" in the spaces..

croll down to E3 part

That's what you are talking about?

If the topic is about something else - Sorry maybe I've understand something wrong.

Bless Ya!

Pozdrawiam
[Sony Xperia E3] edi194:
Nope, this tread is about official LP for e3. Link what you shared is for developers with source (incomplete) to build aosp lp.

Wysłane z mojego Xperia Z przy użyciu Tapatalka
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Performance tweaks that will improve responsiveness of your ROM no matter which you choose (Kudos Cyphol):

1. Improve performance/response time:

- Start > Settings > Phone => Keypad = Off

- Start > Settings > Sounds & Notifications; Under Sound Tab => Disable/Untick Events (warings, system events) - this tweak will BRUTALLY increase the responsivenes of Start menu and Quick Menu 2.7 (because system will no more have to search for sound files in the ROM everytime you tap the screen)

2. Your Windows Mobile device is just like your Windows PC. So, soft reset it before going to sleep (or whenever appropriate) once a day to make it runs good at all time (because of the memory leak when you close the program not all the memory is restored - sof reset restores RAM lost due to Memory leak).

3. Make sure you install the today plugin apps such as Resco Today Plugin etc. on the internal/device memory. Some today plugin can be installed on the storage card but it'll slow down your system performance a bit.

4. Do not install too many apps on the internal/device memory. Leave as much free space as you can on it. Check whether it can be install on the storage card or not. Normally, don't let it become as low as 8MB free but 10MB is enough already.

5. Know what you're doing such as tampering your system registry. Make sure it can be done and you're doing it the right way. If not, then leave it as is.

6. Never hide the WirelessManager Tray Icon at the bottom.

Don't believe me?

Try it and feel the difference.

This is the key:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\WirelessMgr]

"Keep"=dword:00000000 ;<--- (dword:00000000 to hide and dword:00000001 to show)

7. Never let your device go to sleep by itself. Do it manually by pressing the power button everytime when you've finished using your device.

8. Make sure you shutdown the 'Activesync' completely after activesyncing your device with your PC. You can use task manager (X-Button), Magic Button etc or you can use memory applet in setting > System > memory; Running Programs
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] raymondu999:
YES!!! Finally some solid numbers to depend upon for comparison! Btw, how long did it take you to do this frenzy of HR, flash, benchmark, HR flash, benchmark?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Including waiting on free slot on rapidshare it was cca one full day ;).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] bapski:
would a day of benchmarking suffice for conclusive results? although this would help would be FLASHERS to decide which ROM they can try first instead of starting another "WHICH IS THE BEST ROM" thread.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] raymondu999:
The thing is, SpB Benchmark is a program, as in lines of code. Hence, these numbers might not mean much for stability, but for speed, these numbers tell no lies.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
As I have wrote before - benchmarks are just numbers. Actual experiences vary. Decisions about which ROM to use should not be solely based on benchmarks. Important factors are also support and or newer versions in the making, feel of the ROM (they do not look all the same) and for example bonus features also differ. Choose according to your needs.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] typester:
great idea

some of the top scores were not in blue?? and ones that are tied should be in another color like yellow to show equality. i know you have spent lots of time on this and i don't mean to harp on you, so these are only suggestions.

thanks for the hard work!! this was a great idea. i will look forward to you adding new ROM's.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] gerald_s:
Farias super clean 3?

Guess I missed something. Where did you find Farias super clean 3 rom? I only can find super clean v1.

BTW: Great idea, I hope somebody will add this list to the wiki
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Bensat:
Great work!!!

I've asked myself this question over and over again........... Hahaha but now I see these results I can only say to the COOKIES that they've done a GREAT job for all of us.

That is what matters, our guys even listen and they will sometimes ad some special flavors into a ROM. This development and research goes so fast I even wonder if the developers of HTC come here to see what is going on over here!

Keep up the good work!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] peter7:
Hi there - this really helps to decide which ROM one should take - but what is the cooked rom - I understood that I can no I have to choose whichsoftware I will install - and my understanding is that this takes even more time for the whole process - I liked it for example withe VP3 to simply follow the guide line in the forum and it was done ! Or is the installation provess with the cooked rom also simple ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] speckledpig:
Cooked as opposed to straight from the manufacturer ("official").
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ratcom:
This is one of the most usefull post's Ive seen in a long time, thanks for your hard work :) Oh and its crazy but "Faria's Super Clean 3 ROM" is still in the running after all this time! I think that says alot about Faria's work ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] MaRaHoX:
Tests;)

Some small tests also here: http://www.ce4you.cz/forums/view_topic.asp?t=23151&fi=0 - this is our czech internal community testing:).

About 30 latest ROMs.

In czech language, but main values are universal.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] neil@domino.org:
intereting and very useful. Whats more interesting is that I'm using the DOPOD rom as it seems to be the most stable for me. No BSOD or having to reboot all the time to get data connection working again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Of course it is Faria's v1, number taken from package name (third update).

@ neil@domino.org

That is what benchmarks can not show. And stability really is important "feature". I personally have never had SOD with any of the ROMs.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] deadeyed:
Great Work!! Thank you for quantify this. I've been using Satin medium for over a week now, very stable & not a single lockup with this ROM so far. And it is good to know I'm using one of the fastest around. Thanks again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Lordsmiff:
Well done - this is excellent :)

Using this, with my thread here, anyone should be able to decide which ROM they are going to run on their phone, without relying on the eye-candy screenshots that don't really tell you anything :)

Kudos to you, dude :)

Smiffy.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Chiefcooker:
i think such a test says nothing. all results are nearly the same, and 119 frames instead of 111, i ont think that i can see that BIG impovement.

:p

mfg chief
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] WDawn:
Very usefull info thnx!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] crazyC:
Nice to see that statistics, but I wonder how much this reflects the real world feel of the ROMs. For example, look back at the Satin vs Schaps thread. The general feel seemed to be on this forum (until these results came out) that Schaps actually felt faster than Satin.

Whilst I have always been a big Black fan, and thought Majik and Satin were great, I have tried Schaps, and yes, it does actually seem (maybe just my perception) that little bit quicker.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] esseff:
No offence man, but that is the crapest layout of information I have ever seen. After all the work you put into doing the tests it seems a shame you made no effort in the presentation of the results.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] db77:
I think also that. (Je pense la même chose).

It must see on use (Il faut voir à l'usage).

All tests are made without soft installed (tous les tests sont fait sans logiciel installé)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Quist:
I'm testing Schapps now after having Satin for about a week. In some respects it "feels" faster, but there's some things I definitely prefer with Satin, like the file explorer and the streaming media skin.

I also wonder if Schapps is better for those of us in 3G networks that want a video dialer. After installing Satin one of the first things we have to do is install the other phone dialer for the same functionality as is already in Schapps. The tweaks or adjustments needed to get the right mix might be slowing Schapps down less than they do Satin.

Still, they're both excellent ROMs and a quantum leap over what we had just 1-2 months ago. Keep up the good work folks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
I think some tweaks may have not be visible in improving GUI performance. These however can be seen in benchmarks. I had the same feel about Schap's and Satin. With latest generation of ROMs the results are pretty close. Nice things about ROMs with the same base is that you can see who of the cooks has the skills.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] chunkymonkey:
I tink this is an excellent bit of research.

As you say, it doesn't give a 'best ROM' result but is a guide only. The main guide is one's own experience with one's own setup.

As to layout, F that. It's perfectly legible and readable.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] kipe:
useful posts.. makes u want to try em all back once again... :D ..it certainly got me... on faria's super clean now... man, suddenly the itch to flash comes back.. :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] alancstan:
Very informative benchmark review.... Thanks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zim2dive:
Aye.. what a wonderful problem we have.. so many good ROMs to pick from! :)

My compliments to the many chefs!

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] edhaas:
Nice bit of research. I was pleased my rom was in the pack. I would like to caution folks that "your mileage may vary". I have done some work on my own with these benchmarks, and have found that some of them can be increased very significantly with tweaking, (for example the sd card reported speeds), but the result does not reflect in the "real world", and in fact can cause a lag in response. Most of these benchmarks are "machine" tests, vs OS response tests. For example the cpu benchmarks should all be the same, since the code is internal to the program itself, and the cpu is always the same. (Although if there were lots of interrupts running in the background it may slow the reported speed.)

As others have noted, the "snappiness" of the rom will not necessarily be reflected in the benchmark, and even that can be a trade off. For example, reducing the page pool will cause an increase in responsiveness, but multitasking will suffer.

So, I would agree with those who suggest that the differences you are seeing in the benchmarks are small, and may not be reflective of "real world" experience. I think we still need to try them ourselves before making a judgment.

Best wishes,
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Voldemort:
i always went for black roms till satin (which i didnt really like as the previous ones) so i tried schaps and i must admit it s simply better. the millisecond difference isnt a big deal, the bunch of extra features is :p

on a side note: black's explorer is way better than the standard ones (used on schap's too) but resco explorer is once again a step forward - so far it s the only program that can browse shared folders on a wifi network i ve found :cool:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Meteo:
mmmm. delicious numbers... *munch munch*
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] washi:
i can confirm that schaps rom feels faster than satin.

used black roms until satin. didnt like it as the previous ones so i tried out schaps and im happy with it.

even more when you consider that there will be no more black roms and i think not much updates for the black roms since jj will buy a diffrent phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] batt:
Gup, gup, gup...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ckraus000:
what about free memory after installation?? would be also nice to know^^
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] thefunkygibbon:
any updates on this?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Today I will hopefully add three more ROMs - Grass 1.1, Schaps 4.0 Lite and vp3Gs 3.62.3. If wondering which one is fastest - Schaps 4.0 Lite is :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] gunigugu:
Sweet.. can't wait.. first time i stumbled on this thread..

actually in the process about to flash my phone.. only really do it every few months as i'm quite dependent on it and don't get a chance to back-up everything i need... and really found this thread useful. Lots of good info in there.. Although to be honest I usually go with the "full" rom for conveniences as it has alot of things in there i normally use...

Would it be possible to give schaps v4. full rom a quick test too as it's probably the most suitable for me and I imagine a few others too...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Shamanix:
Great... thanks man!

I am looking forward to see some numbers..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] WDawn:
I think Hypercore LiteSE is a good competitor also. I'm amazed with the speed, even loaded with programs. It feels faster then Schaps and Black Satin.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
Could you put starbase64 3.62v7 in there to, I know it probably won't be the fastest (lots and lots of built in apps) but it would be great to see what the actually speed differential is vs some of the less feature rich roms out there.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mlalahoi:
First, great bit of work and you have big brass ones to flash your phone 16 times in one day with no fear of bricking, kudos.

Regarding some of the more negative posts, I agree that we need to do some more practical testing of these ROM's. I suggest that a few of us get together and do the following:

1.agree on a set of "most common" applications that most of the people around here are using, and all install them in the same way

2. agree on a set of useage guidlines, i.e. push mail, VoIP calling, syncing schedule, etc. so we are all using the ROM's in appx the same way

3. agree on what parameters to test. Boot times, load new SMS with XX programs running, etc. track number of soft resets, problems, etc.

Then we take the time to flash our phones with all the ROM's running the same software being used in roughly the same way for a definite period of time, say one week. Then we can compile the results and get some more "real world" test data.

We could divide the ROM's between say 15 of us willing to dedicate our phones, and test each ROM for one week. If we have 3 people test each ROM for one week then test another two the following two weeks we could gather some pretty solid data on all 16 ROM's in under a month.

What do you think? I can vouch for two Hermes 100's to commit for a month of testing. Of course we would need to put some real thought into the benchmarks and apps to use in the process, but it would be fun and I think very helpful. Anyone interested??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] lino8419:
This is an awesome list!!! thanks a bunch!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] galaxys:
Could you include TNT V2.0 Professional in there? It is one of the fastest with lots of apps built in!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pozzwali:
Thank you very much for this!

:) :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ermenzegna:
great job !!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Update

Major update: 8 new ROMs added. Please check the first post.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Pumpiron579:
Thanks, Very informative. I don't see the official AT&T rom on the list. I would like to add that I ran Satin Normal with radio 1.50.00.00 and added the Kaiser Home screen and my usual stuff since Satin was released and it was fast. Fantastic picking up the 3G network and push was working great.I Reset Satin probably once every other day. I decided to try the official AT&T rom since I am on the AT&T network and I added Live, plus all the same programs I had on Satin and I found the AT&T rom is as fast and with radio 1.54.07.00, I pickup 3G better then I did with Satin as radio 1.54.07.00 sucked with Satin. Just my 2 cents worth
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] WDawn:
Thnx! This was probably hell of job! Thank you for including Hypercore, it confirms that it is indeed pretty fast. And it pinpoints that there aint much free RAM to play with.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] alancstan:
Please test along Edhaas T-Lite and D-Lite Rom. Superb and stable ROM with minimal problem encountered!

rgds
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] diezoo:
Thank you KarhU for this amazing work!! :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] funky_Saggi:
You, my man, are a LEGEND for posting these numbers!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] venelar:
nevermind!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] EightEight:
Wow, This Is Amazing!

Thank you KarhU for this amazing work, now I have numbers to show my firends that the Dopod Official WM6 ROM is trash, so they will move to a Cook Rom. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] DaVince:
holy sh*t :eek:

This is hard work. I bow down to your perseverance, dedication, commitment.. whatever.. I just can't find the right words to describe your hard work. Thank you.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Update

Hello everyone;

I added two new ROMs to the benchmarks, enjoy the number-crunching!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] CUSTEL:
I'm pleased with the results, thanks for adding mine to your test :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] :
Hi karHu,

the Hypercore HC3.62 ROMs (70 & 80MB) are now updated by sakajati in first post.

They have another cache settings now and other modification.

Could you please update Hypercore 3.62 Full ROM 80MB (not SE) in possible future update too. I think this ROM is a burner now. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] irockash:
Question, why manually put it to sleep as opposed to it being timed?

PS.. to shut the presentation critcs up (since you ignored them, I doubt you care), freeze the panes so the tests stay in the same place on the spreadsheets.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
About your first point: I do not know :D I took these from Cyphol, he is the right person to ask - the best from these tweaks is the number one, the others are less important or obvious. I am not sure about importance of that particular tweak/advice too.

To the second point: You are right, I will change it with next release - I got too obsessed with adding new ROMs that it become really messy. Thanks for comments.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] hjlow:
official HTC ROM

mm just wondering, how does the official HTC ROM compare to these?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] irockash:
I totally understand, its an easy thing to do manually so I didn't mind... I just didn't see the point in people posting in the thread about the layout of the thing. If they're that obsessed with it, they can fix it themselves.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] larsuck:
How about some benchmark connected to ROM stability? For example, you could count the unresolved problems in each thread and divide by the number of total downloads... It wouldn't be scientific really, but it might lead to some interesting discoveries about what makes for a stable ROM and what doesn't.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] niteline:
Added relative scores and ranking

Thank you so much for your dedicated work, KarhU!

Great job!

:cool:

I was interested in how the ROMs rank relative to each other.

So I added a bit to your XL file... I hope that is OK with you.

My file has a whole new section with relative numbers in addition to the absolute numbers already present in the original file.

Also, i calculate an overall relative benchmark score, which is then used to rank all the MODs.

Have fun playing around with it. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Thanks for your work (late but better than never ;) )

I have added five new ROM benchmarks to the first post, froze the panes in the xls and also added your excellent ROM comparison to the benchmarks zip.

Thank you!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Chatty:
Karhu, you've been doing great so far. But you really should consider to use niteline's modifications on the sheet.

most important:

cell formats - this way you can use the numbers for charts

Even better: transpose the table and put the scale into the header. This way columns can be even smaller and more info would fit onto a page.

Next thing: use conditional formats for best/lowest score thus you don't have to look for that each time you add a ROM.

If you need any help, don't hesitate and ask.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] thanosc:
Wow.. great thread and files....

It would be great if we knew on which devices these roms run well or not at all...

Arty out...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaturnusDJ:
I agree with that.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] kazuya_gonzalez:
waiting for benchmark updates :p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Benchmarks will be updated this evening. Stay tuned...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] its right:
great work bro

ofcourse this is very useful for most of users who can't test every rom

really hard thing to update your device with every rom then install the app then get the results then compare with this orginized table :)

keep it up.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
Added 13 new ROM benchmarks. Every major ROM should be included now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] spastico:
Have you noticed any speed or stability issues w/ Roms where the Extended Rom has been merged versus the ones where the Extended Rom is left intact?

Just curious.

Thanks,

Berd
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] KarhU:
It depends - some are Ok while others are not. With your ROM and older sajakati's one I had freezes during testing that led to bricking on the soft reset (hung at Windows screen, HR to fix). That only happens with ROMs with merged extROM. It is not a widespread issue though. Speed of booting (even after HR) of these ROMs is fantastic - but I can not tell you otherwise because I do not use these ROMs daily - I prefer "light" to "ultralight".
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] MaRaHoX:
Awesome work!

Oh, must take hat off to you and your sedulity! This is really amazing work! Looks like, Pandora is the best;) and Grass 2.2 is really very responsive. For me is for now best TNT, but this is my own personal view;)