yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
FYI - HD and HDX share few similarities other than branding, form factor and FireOS. Internally they are completely different beasts.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
I'm sorry I should've said earlier but this thread is exactly what I wanted when I saw I could'nt get the Dev preview

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Actually I just remembered I did say this earlier
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] bigboolean:
Just got my message on my 7 inch HDX a few minutes ago. This'll be interesting, especially since I just got a Nexus 7 2013 for Christmas last year. I'm excited to compare Fire OS 5 to Marshmallow.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Hum. Lots of posts; looks like it's coming to all device types (excellent!). A healthy serving of humble pie is on the menu for this kid.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] diggitydogg:
I'm guessing that once this rolls out we should be able to get some custom Lollipop ROMs for those of use with a locked bootloader! Perhaps some CM12 love :)

I have to say that I really never thought we were getting Fire 5 on these tablets. I've been using mine a ton more recently after putting CM11 on it.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
Amazon answered our prayers.

Gooood news, everyone!

After turning on my device this morning, i was greeted with a letter in the carousel.

The letter says:

"Your Kindle Fire (HDX 8.9 2013) will be updated to Fire OS 5.0 in the upcoming weeks."

:victory:
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
Screenshot

First time posting an image, so bear with me...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] EncryptedCurse:
That's if we even get root on FireOS 5...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] diggitydogg:
That shouldn't matter if you are already rooted though should it? If you can already flash a ROM then I don't think it would matter if we can root the stock ROM. At least not for my selfish purposes ?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] EncryptedCurse:
I'm not sure what you mean. If you want CM12, then you're going to need a Lollipop-based kernel. This is not possible without upgrading to FireOS 5, which means that you'll lose root access and, in turn, Safestrap.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] diggitydogg:
I guess I don't completely understand the process is what that means. We need root for the FireOS 5 kernel before we can implement any ROMs based on it as long as we have a locked boot loader is how I'm understanding it now.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Right. Likely a revised version of Safestrap too. The initial release of FireOS v5 on HDX will be most beneficial to 4th gen devices that have no alternative other than unrooted FireOS v4. Everyone else should wait until options/consequences become clearer.

Upgrading to stock v5 is likely a one way trip with many limitations. Although FireOS v5 is a big improvement over v4 with better gaaps compatibility I would still go with CM11 or Nexus v4 (via Safestrap) on 3rd gen devices...at least until v5 is rooted.

It will be interesting to see what the base version of FireOS v5 will be. Amazon will likely close vulnerabilities that allowed relatively easy root on 5th gen devices.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
But with Fire OS 5 (according to newest models expirience) gapps can work without root. And we can block default launcher without root to install Nova-Apex. Multitask window like in Android. To most users it is enough. imho. And no risk of bricks btw.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
Gapps work without root on 4.5.5 but not the playstore
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] fabische:
Are there any practical reasons that make an upgrade to OS5 worthwhile when I am already on rooted CM11?

Basically, I am not too impressed by Lollipop on my other Android devices. Battery drain has become a big issue again with Lollipop. Just recently I have upgraded my phone to Marshmallow and I am not looking back. Battery and overall performance is so much better on Android 6.0 that I did not even felt the need to install Xposed.

So why bother with Fire OS5?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
May be I wrong of course. I mean guides like this -http://xdaforums.com/amazon-fire/general/installing-google-framework-playstore-t3216122

I do not follow this threads every day.

Anyway need to get update to check and try.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
A bit misleading:

- HDX and 2015 Fire are completely different hardware platforms with different boot loaders and potential for good/bad outcomes

- 5th gen bricks are less common but can still happen as evidenced by numerous posts

- The version of FireOS released for HDX may be more or less friendly to gapps/store overlays, changing launchers, etc. TBD.

- To my knowledge HD 8/10 users on FireOS 5 still do not have root. Amazon clearly isn't making this easy.

If you like the FireOS UI or need full LTE support then immediately allowing a 3rd gen device to update (and temporarily/permanently loose access to root, Safestrap and other roms) may make sense. Personally I do not perceive the benefits of a LP based ROM out weigh the unshackled experience of CM11 or Nexus (both Kitkat based).

To each his own. It will be nice to have another option!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
- of course I know it =) but all I wrote about is regarding software part. fire os are very similar on fire devices. libs and drivers-related frameworks are uniq of course. You can see that many software-related manuals are suitable between devices.

- most of bricks because root-downgrade-unexpected ota's for downgraded-rollbacked devices

- anyway need to see this update before any prognoses

- and yes, I like Fire OS but with PlayStore and root.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Thoughts:

- I have experienced excellent battery life (active and standby) with CM12.1 on a 2015 Fire using default/native settings. I do allow WiFi to power down when sleeping yet use push email that quietly syncs 7x24. Many LP battery issues are rooted in mobile radios that do not allow the device to enter low power states. That keeps background apps active too.

- It may be a reach to think MM roms will be coming to locked HDX devices anytime soon. Depends what happens with Safestrap development which assumes root can be obtained on the HDX implementation of FireOS 5. Lots of unknowns.

- FireOS 5 itself is not especially battery friendly due to the large number of background services that fuel Amazon's properties; they can not be easily killed w/o root. The WiFi power down feature does not work reliably in my experience. Woke to a dead device on more than one occasion before switching to CM.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
[MENTION=5488402]Davey126[/MENTION] , "I told you so" -)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
Are you serious?!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
Just received this email.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
So no Fire OS 5 for HDX owners, rats. :(
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] EncryptedCurse:
Way to go, Amazon.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Oy vey... another Amazon rectal/cranial inversion. Well, I'm still going to enjoy my humble pie (dammit!) as everyone deserves a healthy slice once in awhile...even if the timing is off.

Waiting to hear from a 4th gen owner. Could still be rolling out for them (who have no option other than unrooted stock v4; they need it most).
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Jacob G:
I've sent both emails and fb posts to Amazon stating my disappointment in their service, as we should be able to receive the updates if our devices are capable of running the OS. They already told us we were getting it so we should get it even if it was a mistake. Maybe if enough people send complaints in they will change their mind. Why reason, exactly what is the reason why we cannot get Fire OS 5 on the 2013 Fire HD, and HDX?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
My thoughts; search through the thread for other perspectives. This isn't about technology. It is a business decision by a global entity that probably sold millions of HDX devices and has the means to track how much ongoing revenue they generate. A handful (dozens/hundreds/thousands) of 'disappointed' users is not going to sway their decisions. Especially when a $35-50 device of similar branding is likely to generate significantly more revenue in post sales clicks.

Using another metric the 2015 Fire has generated over 22,000 reviews on amazon in one quarter...about 2/3rds the number linked to HDX 7s that have been on sale for 2+ years. As versatile as it is the low end 2015 Fire is best suited for video playback (great source of revenue for Amazon) and browsing Amazons huge catalog of merchandise. All just a click away. Better yet, snag a Prime membership and get all those goodies faster. Money is in the Prime...not keeping a relative handful of frugal HDX owners happy.

BTW - Apple does the same thing, either by limiting iOS updates to newer devices or significantly deoptimizing the experience for those who choose to upgrade.

Sorry to be harsh ... business 101.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
Why would they do this! They tell us were getting it and everyone is happy then they say we're not!!!! Amazon barely even apoligized
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
of course, it is totally clear.

Well, to be honest, I did not expect that the device will update to Fire OS 5. After my another kindle-brick, I began to look for a different device.

But I saw a good offer on ebay for refurbished (fw 3.2.6) model at a reasonable price.

I asked support and specify whether this model will receive the upgrade to the Bellini. I received an affirmative answer.

After that, just in case, I TWICE reasked the representatives of technical support about update of this device and I was assured that the upgrade will be obligatory.

Of course I understand that amazon reps is outsorsing, but thrice....
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] cpiddy:
Mayday support

Not sure how much of this can be trusted but I used the mayday support feature just now to follow up about a discount I was to receive for myrecentpurchase of the fire hdx 8.9 lte 3rd gen tablet I just purchased. After they fixed that I showed them the note that was sent to my device about fire os 5 update and said several people were reporting this was sent in error. She checked and said not to worry, you will be getting.g the update in the coming weeks. So... not sure if it's credible but it keeps my hopes up.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
so it's either amazon lied to us and she was honest or she lied and amazon was honest ?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Or no one really knows with all parties trying their best to convey what they believe will happen. Of course the Amazon development team knows but no one has direct access. I can imagine a member of that group monitoring this thread and chuckling.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
I dont know if its just a coincidence, but in the Amazon app, the "Call me now" option for Kindle Fire custumer service, is not working today. Yet the option is available for all other non Kindle issues. I hope that it is related, and that is because of all the calls from angry/confused hdx owners.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
The email told me that they were talking about the 4th gen so it looks like 4th gen will get the update
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] EncryptedCurse:
What a joke. The only difference between the 3rd and 4th generations is an updated chipset.

The hardware the older devices run on is more than enough for a smooth experience on Lollipop (and Marshmallow).
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Aside from my usual business 101 rant I suspect another consideration is the cost associated with testing on a different chip set and accepting some level of responsibility for updates gone bad. There is no legal standing for 'best effort' so companies typically choose the safer route (premature obsolescence). The only thing that might push Amazon is a catastrophic security blunder in KitKat that can't be easily patched. Stagefright certainly didn't move the needle for most handset makers. Looking at you Motorola ...

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Given you received misinformation (we now know it's 4th gen only) I would try to work a refund unless you are happy with your device and the KitKat roms available for it via Safestrap v4. You should rollback soon as Amazon may may push a FireOS v4 update that locks your device on v4 ... much like 3.2.7/3.2.8 did with FireOS v3. Any attempt to rollback bricks the device.

Thanks, Amazon. May the Force be against you.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
Ok. Saturn will get it. i just find fire OS 5 sources for HDX 8.9 (2014) -

About 3rd gen - there is at deutsch section https://www.amazon.de/gp/help/custo...rumID=Fx1MIOH79P618KO&cdThread=Tx9S5BOSODXNJL people talks that maybe in future HDX 7 will get this update

but of course no need to hope =)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
Update version 4.5.5.1

Hi everyone,

I just went to the settings area on my 2013 HDX 8.3, and to my surprise, theres was a new update available. However its version 4.5.5.1. There isn't any noticeable change in the OS, so it might be a simple bug fix update. So, this could either be the update Amazon intended to release for the 2013 edition, and someone made the mistake of sending the OS5 announcement, or on the other hand, it could be a pre OS5 update to prepare the device for OS5. We'll see...

Update:

Someone in the Amazon forums told me that is actually an old update and for some reason my tablet did not get it until today.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
- Good info, thanks

- Could be any of the above; be interesting to see how it plays out

- Might contain anti-rollback protection; I'd be leary accepting if a rollback might be in your future (at least until more is known)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] EncryptedCurse:
That'd just be evil. :(
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
That's what I was afraid of; that it might be an anti rollback update. Do any of you own the 2013 HDX 8.9? Someone in the Amazon forums told me that 4.5.5.1 is actually an old update. He might be confusing it with 4.5.5 however. Now sure now...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Capt Morpheous:
HI

7" 3rd gen HDX - 4.5.5.

How can I disable the updates.

Since no fire OS 5 is forth coming - what are my options with this device?

CM
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Responded in different thread. Please do not double post.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
When I was on Fire OS A few weeks ago, the latest I got was 4.5.5, no .1[emoji55]
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
maybe it just comes to every kindle at a different time
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
So... who wants to help me capture the update... Is it still in that same folder? I'll do that as soon as I get the update, and copy it over to my linux box, seeing as that will be my main machine for a week or two.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] jrbaez:
I just got the 4.5.5.1 update this morning. I thought in Bellini...

From a Kindle HDX 7 16gb 3rd generation.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Any indication of changes? Seems strange Amazon would issue a minor point release to a device that won't be receiving further updates. Could be a security roll-up, bug fix, etc. I would not attempt a rollback until the scope of 4.5.5.1 is verified. Hopefully Amazon will post a change log...although previous versions have been none to informative.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
this is odd...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
I have not received any 4.5.5.1 and I check for updates every day... interesting... I will still capture it if I have a chance
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
Apparently the update for 4.5.5.1 downloaded when I was away.... Probably not in internal storage now...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
4.5.5.1 at amazon - http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201357190

I diffed 4550001820 and 4550002120 - there are many (for minor update) different files, other aboot image (seems only different signature, but I not strong in this ) and other boot.img. [MENTION=5828306]draxie[/MENTION] maybe you check this new aboot to understand reason of this update. thank you.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] draxie:
I cannot check right now, but my guess is that the signature on the old certificate has expired.

Right now, I have access to only 14.5.3 (and lower) on my laptop, and that's certainly the case for those.

I'll download the update and check on my stationary box tomorrow.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] draxie:
Oops...

This is on a .3.2.3.2 bootloader, using upHDX to repack the 4.5.5.1 update.

I also found a fix. See my next post below.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Hum. Good reason not to upgrade. Then again - guessing you installed 4.5.5.1 on an unlocked device and were able to secure root through other means. Most on 4.5.5+ have no root option so Xposed framework incompatibility will likely be irrelevant. Maybe I'm missing something ...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] draxie:
You are absolutely right: my bootloader is 3.2.3.2 and the device is unlocked

(although the latter wouldn't matter, since upHDX re-signs the boot image).

I get root by flashing SuperSU from TWRP (proper).

For those on later bootloaders, the above is fairly irrelevant.

For those on 1[34].3.2.3.2, I also found a fix described here.

I copied the two relevant files from the previous version (4.5.5),

by simply unzipping update-kindle-14.4.5.5_user_455001320.bin;

I also had to fix permissions and make some more space in /system

(I removed Firefly, which I've never used).
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Jacob G:
What Now?

So now after finding out we will not get fire os 5, where do 3rd gen users go now? Last I recall, 3rd Gen Soho devices are non-rootable and cant have custom rom like CM on them. Plus I would have no idea what i would be doing if i wanted to try to custom install anything. This sucks. :(
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
3rd gen devices are rootable, can host custom roms (CM11 or Nexus) and in some cases can be unlocked which opens the door to a wider variety of roms (including Lollipop and Marshmallow) and more robust recovery tools. In contrast, no root for 4th gen devices but they will get FireOS 5 which is more digestible to many. Root and custom roms may follow; have to wait and see.

The path to root and custom roms on 3rd gen devices depends on the version of FireOS that is currently running on the device. Sometimes it's easy; other situations are more involved. Post your config; someone will provide further guidance.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
You can in install CM onto them, and root. [emoji3]
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Jacob G:
Root

I am very weary about doing anything custom to my fire, so we will see, but I am using a 2013 3rd Gen Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7" Running Fire OS 4.5.1.1.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
There are always risks which can be mitigated through careful research and attentive execution. That said, if you are happy with your HDX 'as is' don't mess with it.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
yeah the rom isnt official, apparently there are problems with audio and other stuff
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
You aren't going to find an 'official' rom in these forums. All are adaptations of well mannered versions of KitKat, Lollipop and Marshmellow (not all will work with your device). Outstanding issues are few with a responsive developer closing gaps. There is little doubt the roms are equal to and often better than 'official' FireOS which has its own set of issues that Amazon has chosen not to address.

The risks I referenced pertain to preparing your device to accept an 'custom' rom (manual rollbacks, updates, rooting, etc.), not the HDX roms themselves which are very stable and feature complete.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Jacob G:
Well I know this thread is for HDX, I have the HD, but I will probably just stick with Fire OS 4.5.5.1 for now since this is my main device and maybe in the future if I get something else, I may be willing to experiment with this one. I do like reading your guy's posts though, since I can relate with this whole Amazon mix up crap, I find most of this stuff interesting.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
I got the hd too :)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
5.1. Avalable Now For HDX 2014?

Someone in the Amazon forums just wrote that their HDX 8.9 2014 was updated yesterday to 5.1.1. I obviously cannot confirm this, but 4th gen owners should check for updates just in case...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Thanks. A Saturn (4th gen) user reported an OTA update to 5.1.1.1 within the past 24-hours (here). Appears the rollout has begun.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] emissary52@gmail.com:
That would be me who posted in that Amazon thread. I'm not sure how I became the first person to notice I'd received the update, but I've spent the last hour trying to get the Google services and Playstore to work to no avail! I'm sure some person smarter than I, can make it as easy to get as it was on the Fire Phone. I'm not sure that I like it as much as 4.6. I got used to the carousel and now it seems like a slightly disfunctional Android Lollipop. My 8.9 HDX 4th Gen is now like a turbo-charged $49 2015 Fire tablet. I've never played much with the cheapie Fire 7 (2015). It got its update to 5.1.1 in mid December.

Here's hoping Amazon will realize that keeping 3rd Gen HDX owners happy is a smart move! I see that the 7" HDX is on sale for $149. That may be an ominous sign though as a "clearing out" of the remaining HDX models. We'll see!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] anonymou21:
Good rom
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
No business driver to update discontinued devices. Will that bring eyeballs and purchases to Amazon properties? Probably not. A few disgruntled hdx owners may vocally defect to jet.com, etc.; not enough to move the needle.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
Well, I don't have the update yes, in SoCal..