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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Aegir3:
Let us know if there are any updates about future support of these generations! I would really like an amazon tablet to enjoy all the amazon content, but from the reviews of this latest generation it seems Amazon is steering toward only budget tablets. Even though it's only $149.99, not sure I want to spend that money on a 189 ppi screen when I know I will be using it to watch Instant Video. At the same time, I'm not sure I want to spend $300+ on a quality tablet Amazon isn't committed to supporting! I hope for you owners that this is not the case, but again please keep us updated!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
Does anyone have information on Fire OS 5 hitting Saturn?? I'm stuck here waiting....

EDIT: Just went through the chat... I'll call Amazon tomorrow and try for a more definitive answer..

Transcription of Chat, names and other information covered up.

Spoiler content hidden.

So basically.... Next month maybe?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
Thanks for the update. Hope its true, and i hope the 2k13 model gets the update as well.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
I just looks at the hd and HDX on Amazon and now for the 2013 models it says

"Previous generation" and i checked and the 2014 fires dont
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
I want to believe that, but that's a Amazon rep, not an actual Amazon employee that works/worked on(s) the Kindle Fire HDX, and if you could even ask him/her, he wouldn't confirm nor deny there being Fire OS 5 for thew 3rd Gen Fire HDX, as they probably aren't allowed too.

TL;DR We can't be sure of it unless it happens.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] aaronkatrini:
Excuse me, maybe I don't get it, but the question is pretty clear: Can you confirm the update? And the answer is yes, the update is on the way, it doesn't say when but for sure it is coming. Why would he be lying, he could say I don't know or I cannot tell for sure...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
All I'm saying is, we can't tell if It's true or not, as how many times have companies said they are going to do something don't do it/do the opposite?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] aaronkatrini:
Yes, I do get your point now. But why would they gain from telling people they're going to update then don't? Only people getting frustrated and angry, that's for sure.

In my opinion Amazon is a very serious company, lets hope they will do as they say.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Because reps have dished out misinformation on this topic multiple time in the past. I do not believe it is intentional nor Amazon being deceptive. Simply reflects confusion among level 1 support personnel who are noted more for their customer interface skill than technical expertise or depth of knowledge in a specific product line.

Time will tell. Hope it comes true. First 3rd gen device to receive FireOS 5 from Amazon is the litmus test.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] aaronkatrini:
Fingers crossed!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
I'm praying.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] jrbaez:
What god are you praying haha, I just received an update to 4.5.5.2 on my HDX 7 2013 and I thought on this thread.

:confused:
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Nobuddy0816:
While the HDX 7 and 8.9 (2013) were discontinued there will be no chance to get FireOS 5 for these devices.

For warranty purposes the keep refurbished devices in stock, but when the last 2013 HDX are out of warranty, they will drop the older devices like the FirePhone.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Absolutely! 4.5.2 is simply a security update which likely breaks root as part of closing vulnerabilities. There is no business case for bringing FireOS v5 to a discontinued product line. Doing so would only increase support costs as some 'upgrades' would inevitably fail (or not be well received due to UI differences) and would reset an implied period of support for older devices.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Don'tReadMyName:
Bumping this thread after two years... I'm on a Fire HDX 7 3rd generation, and I'm still on Fire OS 4. An amazing beast of a tablet, too bad I can't get Fire OS 5. I want google play, because the built-in Appstore is nothing but minecraft rip-offs and bad car games.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
If you have access to Linux or Mac (OS X) host you can unlock the bootloader and install a nougat based ROM that natively supports the Play Store. You will need to do your homework; don't expect a step-by-step video guide for noobs.

https://xdaforums.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/multi-platform-1-click-bootloader-t3241014
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Don'tReadMyName:
I don't have access to a Mac (windows all the way, baby) but if you could find a windows version, please let me know. I am tired of the Amazon store.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
No Windows version. There is a 'manual' unlock method but it requires some experience issuing advanced adb/fastboot commands, messing with fussy Windows drivers and a willingness to spend a fair bit of time reading through documentation that is not well organized.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Hogansbridge:
I was able to unlock my bootloader and get lineages 14.1 just last week. I had all the last is made 4.5.6. The are some good guides and but I didn't bookmark anything. I was in windows 11. I installed all the adb stuff onto my c drive c:/adb. I remembered my old basic commands for changing directory. eg. cd C:/adb/ I'm 50 and haven't really used command line code much since I was in my 20s. The main thing to remember is trying to unlock the bootloader won't brick your phone, but not installing TWRP (I used the latest one) can. The biggest GAPPS I could get to load was Nano, anything bigger wouldn't work. I read how to do workarounds but then I just figured I could load anything else from the play store instead of in the system folder. Root is NOT necessary. I didn't bother and everything works.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Yep - been that way for awhile. My guess is 3rd gen devices will not get FireOS 5. It does not make business sense to invest in older devices unless it drives more purchase clicks. That demographic seems content with low end devices and dash buttons. Amazon may update 4th gen devices (confined to Saturn) given the higher initial price point and more recent sales. Just my opinion mind you; be interesting to look back a year from now to see if prediction mirrored reality. Really hope I am wrong about 3 gen devices ...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
Even if we don't get the update at least the apps updated
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] cutefuzzybunny:
Here's the business driver: I bought quite a few amazon tablets only to see the 8.9 which was a flagship device 2 years ago get abandoned at version 3. Now the year and a half old devices are getting abandoned. I've gotten OS updates for my 5 year old ipad2 right up to version 9.

While I'm not going to go and buy more overpriced apple gear, I'm certainly not buying any more amazon devices. Its not like they've released dozens of models they have to work up the OS, test and support. They STILL have to support me, I'm just only the older OS. There really hasn't been a ton of variation in their devices either. Couple of cpu's, couple of cameras, couple of resolutions.

I doubt I'm alone in this. I was an all-in amazon guy up until last year. Fire phone, half a dozen tablets, fire tv, amazon prime, kindle unlimited, etc. Mostly orphaned at this point. I'm buying nexus devices or ones that the manufacturer is offering continued frequent updates.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Historically Amazon has sold most device at or near cost. They are portals to books/goods/music/videos/etc that carry higher margins. All thrown in your face with a big yellow 'buy' button just a click away. Amazon has learned higher end devices don't drive 'clicks' ... hence the $50 fire aimed an impulse driven consumers (goods...not the device itself).

There is no business driver in your argument ... and Amazon is under no obligation to support you or any device they previously sold once out of warranty. They may opt to do so if maintaining the device drives sales or dropping support would drive a wave of resentment amoung their tens (hundreds?) of millions of customers. Apple has has been doing this for years.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] cutefuzzybunny:
I'm not sure how you missed the business driver. If a customer makes an investment in hardware that is then abandoned while other companies continue to update their products, I'm less likely to want to be an amazon customer. I bought a phone that was completely abandoned and I have devices with three operating systems and user experiences. I don't want that.

Whether they're making money on the HW or not isn't relevant. If they want to push more product to a customer they might want to consider the fairly trivial exercise of keeping their products updated for at least 3 or 4 years. Samsung, Apple and Nexus devices seem to be updated and aren't really much more expensive than amazons have been historically. I bought a fire phone for $189 with a year of Prime a little over a year ago, and bought a Nexus 6 for $189 just a few weeks ago. I just bought an nvidia shield for $149 with a remote and game controller, about the same price as buying a new fire tv from amazon and the performance/capabilities aren't even close.

I think they ought to either get a little more committed or get out of the hardware business. The idea shouldn't be about making money on the hardware or making throwaway hardware. It should be on greasing the skids to use amazon services and buy products.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Missed the point - other devices you cite aren't tied to a specific ecosystem. Your (and my) view on commitment to a specific hunk of legacy hardware is irrelevant. Amazon is in business to sell product and will use whatever means/tools to make that happen ... and move away form those that don't.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] cutefuzzybunny:
Apple devices are tied to the apple/itunes ecosystem. Nexus devices are tied to the google ecosystem. Samsung also has quite an ecosystem with a full app store, tons of samsung specific apps, crossovers to smart tv games and apps, phones, tablets, printers, etc. Although the Samsung devices can use the google ecosystem, and nexus/samsung devices can use most if not all of amazons.

My point is that when you leave the customer behind, don't expect them to line up and buy your new stuff. Where amazon screwed up was trying to get big bucks for gimped hardware and then expect the ecosystem sales to follow. My HD 8.9 was almost $400. The fire phone originally was as or more expensive than an iphone.

Apple kinda does this by not offering features to older devices, like when they said the iphone 4s wasn't capable of Siri and you needed the 6s to do 3d touch. Until someone jail broke it and enabled it and it was fine. But the average apple customer (and maybe the average amazon customer) probably don't understand how things work well enough to feel bad about that.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
We are not going to see eye-to-eye on this one. Nexus devices are not tied to Alphabet unless you are talking apps and such which is peanuts in the big picture. Look where Google's revenue comes from. Apps are a means of gathering personal information not making a 30% cut (or whatever) on $0.99 app. The Samsung store is laughable. Do they sell TVs, refrigerators and millions of other items that actually have a margin? Apple makes a ton of money off overpriced devices along with a hugely loyal fan base that Amazon will never replicate in the device market. HDX, Fire Phone and (guessing) Echo are/were failures not because of poor design; they simply don't drive sales of higher margin goods.

As for keeping a handful (remember - big picture) of HDX users happy with OS updates (why??)...I just don't see it happening. Yes, some will vow never to buy anything from Amazon again while many, many more click away on their cheapo Fire 7s. Business 101.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] JohnnySJ:
One of the many reasons why i want to learn to program in Android is to "create" custom roms in my spare time, so i dont have to depend on the OEM, and their "business decisions"...I have always wondered how is it possible that a single talented person here in XDA can make a rom in a matter of days, and large companies like Amazon need a whole group of developers, and even then, it takes them months if not a year to release a single update or a new rom.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Thoughts (having worked for a couple big companies...may or may not apply to Amazon):

- development resources are allocated dynamically to 'hot' projects depending on which manager has the greatest pull (including resulting inefficiencies switching gears)

- there is often a marketing, legal or QA spin that delays/kills releases for extended periods

- quality must be very high; even a 0.1% failure rate can overwhelm operational support resources and tarnish brand image. Just look at Microsoft or the consequences of a failed OTA on an amazon device (generally yields a brick)

- process for the sake of process. Software development/testing/release/etc methodologies are necessary and good until they become bloated...which seems inevitable
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] darkmatter34:
Just saw the new Blue Shade option they're showing off for the HD8. I've been wanting exactly that for a while now. I got the HD10 and promptly returned it because it was terrible compared to the HDX. I can understand if the screen was bad (and it is) if the chipset were at least better than the old HDX, but its not. Its slower with a terrible screen. I even let my wife try it to see if she wants to keep it as an upgrade to her Fire HD 2nd gen...and she didn't like the HD10. The HD10 is so bad its not even an upgrade to the 2nd gen Fire.... So yea, I really hope the old HDX tablets get Bellini. Or release some new HDX tablets. I'm ready to upgrade, but waiting for something to upgrade to. (the Shield tablet is starting to tempt me, but I want to stay in the Kindle family)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
HDX still rules for performance, battery life and screen quality. Some of Amazon's newer devices support SD cards and OTG which are welcome additions. But it will a very long time before I give up my HDX (have a spare in the closet just in case). I don't use FireOS regularly on the HDX; Nexus v4 is my daily driver.

Amazon's Blue Shade implementation leaves much to be desired. It is more of a screen than filter and makes the display look terrible. I use this app which can be sideloaded from various sources (the version in Amazon's app store is a bit dated). Strikes the right balance of features and ease-of-use for my needs. There are several others solid options if you look around.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
I was looking on Amazon customer questions for HDX 3rd gen and one question was "will this tablet get fire os 5?" And the answer was yes
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] jrbaez:
Cool, I will be very happy if it is true. When will be it updated?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
To my knowledge Amazon hasn't committed to a date and I have my doubts if it will really happen (just an opinion; hope I am wrong). No doubt this thread will light up if/when the first OTAs. begin Bookmark it and check back from time to time.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] lekofraggle:
Just so you know, the Amazon reps are notorious for just giving us info to make us happy. They know less than we do about this, because they are not scouring the internet for official news and possibly provable leaks that hint at things to come. Those of us who have been here for a while have seen this countless times.

Sorry to be a buzz kill. It could happen, but as Davey keeps saying, we will only know when it does. Until then, speculation is just that.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
True, Amazon doesn't have any reason of intereste (except for customer interest) to make Fire OS 5 for the Fire HDX unfortunately , I hope they do though so us people who got Fire's that where updated to Fire OS 4.5.5 can at least have a safestrap Lollipop rom.:o
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
You are now connected to AMAZON_REP from Amazon.com

Me: FireOS 5.0

AMAZON_REP: Hello Karanbir, my name is AMAZON_REP. I'm here to help you today.

How may I help you?

Me: Well

My Kindle Fire was supposed to receive the update for 5.0 last month as said by another Amazon Rep

however I have not received that update

AMAZON_REP: I'll help you with that.

Thanks for waiting.

I checked and see that you updating process and it will updated within 2-3 weeks.

Our development team will updated it within 2-3 weeks.

Me: ok thank you

so.... If it's not out by the first or second week of February... They might be up scaling it for the HDX since it has better specs than the new ones or something like that.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
Hope It's true because then we might get Safestrap Lollipop roms, or I might even *gasp* try the new Fire OS 5 if It's closer to "real" android.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
FireOS v5 is not horrid. I own several 5th gen tabs (cheap!) one if which runs pure stock. Yes, there are limitations for the root junky who wants full control over everything. I got lambasted in another forum for surfacing such a radical thought (laughing at you narrow minded geeks)! But AOSP roots are clearly more visible in v5 and a number of previously banished features are now available in the stock UI. The latest versions Google services and Play Store can be installed w/o rooting and work surprisingly well. Would I love to see a Safestrap option that enables LP roms? Absolutely!! Will FireOS v5 be a significant improvement for owners of 4th Gen devices who (at present) can not root and have no other option aside from stock? I think so.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
Oh I will use fire os 5 over Cm 11 but I'll use Cm 12 over Fire OS 5 though.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
I think FireOS 5 is a massive improvement over FireOS 4. That said, I doubt the current methods of rooting and whatnot on the new tablets will work. I barely use my kindle anymore, simply due to my now busy schedule, but if it really does get safestrap/TWRP with an unlock, I'd make time to use it.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
how?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
I should have said "I would". You can't install fire os 5.0/Cm 13/12 roms on fire hdx's that got updated to fireo 3.2.8 or later.

Sent from my Fire HDX 7" on CyangenMod 11 from XDA Free app
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
Thanks, is there currently away to get lollipop using CM 11 or 12?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
You can get CM 12/13 but only if you are on Fire OS 3.2.7 or lower. If you are on Fire OS 3.2.8 or higher, you can install CM 11. Google for more info.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
We're getting fire os 5, on my carousel it said it would be updated in the coming weeks.

So excited
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] AnyAndroidOSWins:
That is o exciting, android Lollipop AOSP and CM 12 Roms here I come (even if we don't get safestrap v5.x I'm fine with Fire OS 5).
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] epionier:
[MENTION=7000161]Lukebluetiger[/MENTION]

What kind of 2013 device do you own 7" or 8.9" ?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Starfox:
Mine said too, HDX 7 64G 3G/LTE model.

I'm a bit confused on what can and can't be done. I got root on mine and disabled OTA. Says current version is 13.3.2.4_user_324002120. There's reference of 3.2.3.2(?) and something about 3.2.8, someone want to help me make sense of if a custom recovery is installable, and if not, what would be the best way of getting FireOS 5.x w/root once it's released?

-- Starfox
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
7 inch but i don't think HDX wont get the updatet
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
To clarify I believe FireOS 5 will only be coming to 4th gen models (8.9" Saturn / Snapdragon 805 / sold after Nov '14). At present no root on 4th gen so this will be a nice bump indeed. Fingers crossed Amazon left open some exploitable vulnerabilities as happened on 5th gen devices.

---------- Post added at 11:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:12 AM ----------

Nice rig. Your best option is a rollback to 3.1.0 which opens the door to:

- bootloader unlock

- custom recovery (twrp 2.8.7.0)

- variety of custom roms (cm11/12/13, SlimLP, Nexus v4)

You will need to retain FireOS for full LTE capability. At present it is unknown if FireOS v5 will be coming to 3rd gen devices and/or if it can be adapted for flashing on unlocked devices.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
I got this message on my Thor too.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Great if it happens! I have been the voice of pessimism on FireOS v5 coming to 3rd gen devices. Would love to be wrong on this one and accept communal flogging if/when it arrives :)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] ONYXis:
yeah, I noticed it =)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] hastings101:
About time, I thought maybe the HDX wouldn't be getting it. Fire OS 5 looks like a huge improvement on 4.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] B00j:
I got my OTA blocked by Amazon and currently on version 14.3.2.8. Even I got the message that my Kindle would be updated. Will my Kindle be updated or is this message sent to all the Kindle fire tablets?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Unknown - but you'll want to be careful updating 3.2.8 as it is likely the variant that will brick upon receipt of an OTA. Best work with Amazon to release the block if/when you are ready to update. Alternatively, you can manually update to 4.5.2 which should then auto-update to the latest version of FireOS. If you are rooted and/or running Safestrap v3 I recommend waiting until the upgrade path becomes clearer. Ya know the saying: if it ain't broke...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
[MENTION=5488402]Davey126[/MENTION]

My device is 3rd gen just not HDX (it's HD)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] DB126:
Why are you posting here? Wouldn't one of the following forums would be more appropriate? :

xdaforums.com/kindle-fire-hd

xdaforums.com/fire-hd
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] Lukebluetiger:
Because there's no post about Fire os 5 support there and HD and HDX don't have many differences except greater speed and higher quality
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] XxD34THxX:
I got the message on my 32 gb Saturn, looks like you all already got the news... What I get up for waiting late.

Looks like before the end on January then...