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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] hoyter:
where can I find a threaded "palm" like sms application?

totally kidding, this is the most asked question on here i think.

I think rather than do a Q and A, see if you can post step by step "noob" questions defining the differences between hardSPL, radios, ... and why everyone talks about them.

That would be a good bit of information that we can add to the wiki. Just define the key words everyone talks about or something. Personally, I have flashed a few roms on my 8525s but still dont read enough to determine why people like the older radios vs the 1.48. and why some roms dont have radio and such vs ones that do. That alone would be beneficial to me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Madcap180:
GOD you guys are idiots, fricking n00bs.. USE THE SEARCH! ..

j/k .. :-P
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
Radio

From what I can tell people some people use older radios for several reasons.

1st Flashing the radio is potentially extremely perilous. It's not hard to do but if something goes wrong it CAN potentially brick your phone. Even if you have Hard SPL. Therefore some tend to be more conservative about flashing their radios. Roms are available without the radio for this reason as well, it's less dangerous and people have varying opinions about which radio is best

2nd which radio is best for you seems to depend somewhat on what area you live in, what service you have, and whether battery life or performance is more important to you. Their are various opinnions about which radio version is better but they all seem somewhat subjective. PEople report better signal strength with one version or another, or better battery life with one version or another. But from what I can tell 1.48 and 1.40.3 seem to be two of the favorites. 1.48 because it's new and doesn't seem to be causing TOO many problems, and 1.40.3 because its tested and most haven't had trouble with it.

Hope this helps.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
You JUST couldn't resist could you! :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mattblaxin:
ok, so i just got my 8525 saturday, havent done much of anything, just got around to putting all of my contacts into outlook and syncing onto my phone. i want to get to the point where i can check out different roms and what not, so i started with the hardsplv7 installation, and two tries in a row i got an error regarding my device not being connected via usb correctly or something, yet im clearly connected because i just synced and such. help a dude out
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] badbert:
Well since I like the idea of a flameproof zone, I will jump in here as well. Before you even consider posting a total newb question you should have read a couple of dozen posts, just like yours. Because then you would know that you would get flamed for not posting all of the important information. Are you using XP or Vista? what radio version are you using, what bootloader did your phone come with. What IPL/SPL?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mattblaxin:
my bad, IPL-1.01, SPL-1.40 Olipro. XP
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] st3v3:
yeah my moneys with Madcap180, i saw this posted a day or so ago and wondered how long till loweryr gets the ****s with the nooby questions.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
Have you tried this?

Check out this site by Mrvanx he has put a lot of work into helping people out

http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=27

There are detailed instructions on how to do this. AND it's very important that you do. Don't give up if you have problems getting hardspl as I'm sure you already know it makes flashing ROMS much safer.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
There has hardly been any action here for weeks. So at this rate I'll be on to my next phone before I get "the ****s with the nooby questions" But your right if it takes off I'll probably regret it :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mattblaxin:
alright, learned a lot in the last...day or so, flashed olipro finally, tried out some roms, settling with jasjammins black majik for the time being, and flashed radio 1.50. now time to figure out some more cool things to jump into
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
okay, the sim and cid unlocker is confusing the hell out of me... if i've installed hardspl 2.10 olipro and it enables supercid, then why do i need to unlock the sim or the cid...? do i need to use the unlocker in order to upgrade my rom to a new one...? i'm using an at&t 8525...

thanks for this thread by the way... sometimes i just need things to be explained in a plain clear fashion from people who know how to use the english language and sometimes when i read things on here the english language is butchered and things don't come across right and becomes confusing... i'm just looking for simple answers to simple questions...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mattblaxin:
from what ive gathered so far, olipro basically puts the device into a temporary supercid mode when flashing so you wont run the risk of bricking the phone via a corrupted cid, so i dont know why one would need to be permanently cid unlocked. And as far as sim unlocking, that is so that u can use ur phone with any carrier using sim cards, att, tmobile, etc. and if u have the 8525 and are using cingular i dont see why u would need to sim unlock unless ive missed something as im still a "noob" to a lot of this stuff but im workin on it
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
Sounds like you have a good grasp of the concepts you mentioned. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
bashing posts have been deleted. I have no tolerance for newbie bashing, especially on this thread which is specifically titled. I will start handing out bans if I see this again :mad:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
yeah, i'm still a noob more or less, but it's getting better... it's just some of this stuff is a little complicated and i like to see things done on a step by step basis, like a cookbook... here is the recipe and here are the ingredients and here is how you put them altogether and viola, a fine dish...

okay, i understand about the temp supercid when flash thanks to hardspl 2.10 olipro... i don't know why someone would need to have a permanently unlocked cid either, since i can't seem to find an explanation as to what a cid unlock will get you... a sim unlock i understand fully about moving the phone to other networks via a sim... i'm just interested in knowing if i have to do anything besides run hardspl 2.10 olipro to upgrade to a new rom...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mattblaxin:
im running with att, got my 8525 on ebay already unlocked with an older version of olipro installed and the black shadow rom. I flashed to the newest version of olipro (after a few difficulties with the 260 error which i havent really had since), flashed to a newer radio (1.50) and tried like 5 different roms. I have no idea if my phone is perma sid unlocked. If u want some step by step recipe type directions check out the mrvanx website and read one of the guides for installing one of the roms which are on there, starts off with installing olipro and goes thru till the end, and if the guide isnt dealing with the rom u want just substitute the one u want in
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
right... i went to mrvanx' site and read the instruction 10 times over... seems straight enough... i'm going to try out the tnt 2.0 6 meg+htc rom, but i wanted to start from scratch with the phone... right now i'm a little stuck... i tried a hard reset just to get everything back to where it was, but i don't think i'm doing it right or the at&t 8525 that i have (which is brand new from at&t) isn't giving me the screen i need to be seeing according to the wiki... the wiki states that if you want to hard reset, hold down the 2 softkeys (the two keys on the left and the right at the top of the keyboard) and press the reset switch with your stylus at the bottom of your device, then you should be presented with a screen that says 'R' for reset or 'X' for exit... i didn't get that screen at all, but it does do a reset (apparently), but my name and contacts are still intact... i thought a hard reset was a total wipe of the device... maybe i'm wrong...?

also, i go to the bootloader screen and it says herm100 ipl-1.04 and below that it says herm100 spl-2.10.olipro... most confusing...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
okay... here is an update on the hard reset... i instead went into the clear settings applet and hard reset that way... however, when i do a bootloader screen check, it still says ipl-1.04 and spl-2.1.olipro... i thought it would change everything back... so now it is all clear... i'll reformat my minisd card to fat32 and then i'll install the new tnt 2.0 and see what happens... i'll keep you up to date on any issues...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mattblaxin:
to hard reset the stylus way u gotta hold the two soft keys and the reset button with the stylus. hold all three in for a secord or two until something starts to happen, if u just press and release u will just get a regular soft reset. and hard resets not gonna clear all that stuff like ur radio, rom, ipl or spl, just gonna clear everything else up pretty much
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
yeah, i tried the soft keys with the stylus and just held them there until it went into the at&t screen... no biggie, i just did it the clear data way and it looks like hardspl and radio don't go back to original... i just thought they might do that... no matter... time to flash a new rom... i'll let you know if there are any hiccups...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Xyberz:
Black Majik WM6 SMS Problem

I just installed Black Majik's cooked rom onto my 8525 and having problems trying to type with my physical keyboard. Also the delete key won't work on the touch keyboard.

The physical keyboard doesn't work at all when I try to reply or compose a SMS message. I hear the clicks when I hit the button but nothing shows on the screen.

Anyone have the same problem or know how to resolve this issue?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kevbodian:
to clarify on the CID unlock:

when the phone is made, HTC assigns the phone a CID (customer id with the provider the phone is being made for as the customer). When a phone is CID locked to a particular CID then it will make it so that the end user can only run ROMs made for that CID (for example a software update from cingular to a new rom... or if docomo or softbank ever upgrade to wm6). If the CID is superCID or CID unlocked, it's roughly equivalent to an HTC test device upon which any rom can be flashed.

edit:

Also, if you dont go superCID, then the HTC service centre will know that you tried to flash a ROM other than the one specified for your device. If you flash olipro, then the service centre will know as well.

Lol, makes me mad that even if I sign up to htc's e-club in order to get the latest roms... I cant register my x01ht because its a x01ht. Only HTC branded devices can be registered! the bastards!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
thank you, thank you, thank you, for that very succinct and informative post... this is the type of post i wish to see and read... thanks man, that basically put knowledge to a lot of open questions i've had... i appreciate it...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kevbodian:
I didn't mention it in the other post, but pretty much all flashing of OS, IPL, SPL radio etc can be reverted to the original so that nobody will know :p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mcorrie1121:
Ok i have a couple questions....

1. I know that the radio stack affects reception, battery life, etc., but how do they work exactly? What differs from say 1.50 to 1.51 that causes a difference?

And this ones off topic a bit...but its been bothering me...

2. Why, under the HTC branding, does the Hermes go by that name AND Tytn? Why two names for the same phone?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] rmsa786:
Is it possible to dump the rom I am using with all settings (regedits etc) and then flash it back to another Vario II?

Thanx!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
1. The radio code actually runs in another memory area of a Hermes. It is controlled via "AT" commands just like a modem. The interface to windows mobile is via a software called the "RIL" or Radio Interface Layer. Updates are equivalent to different build numbers in ROM upgrades. Radio code is (pretty much) device specific. If two phones use the same GSM chipset, its possible that code will be interchangable. Examples of this is the Trinity which is radio code compatable with the Hermes

2. "Hermes" is an HTC OEM name. It is sold to the enduser directly as the TyTN and sold to Operators who rename it to suit their own marketing strategies. The same can be said for any HTC device. We organize our forums by OEM name. Further confusing is the fact that different physical variants of each device exist. These variants only affect the organization of buttons on the case and the existence of the front facing camera. Mainboards are always interchangable. This sub-designation is shown on the device itself as HERM100, HERM200 etc...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] cyberjak:
you an go back to the original rom/radio etc.etc. by flashing one of your own network providers official roms other then that better off with some of the one's here hehehehe
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
Thanks to all the senior members

Wow, a lot of activity here the last couple of days. I just want to say thanks to the senior members and mods, for all the answers and comments. There are a good number of questions here that I couldn't answer, so now I feel like I'm learning a lot too. So thanks guys.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mcorrie1121:
Ok, I'm gonna flash the 1.48 radio, but can someone tell me the difference between 1.48.00.00 and 1.48.00.10?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
Basically, the only difference is that whenever you see a radio that has a ".10" at the end, it was created for a device with GPS built-in, like the Trinity. But, it can be used safely and reliably with the Hermes. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jcgrove29:
Trouble posting with 8525 on VP's 3.0 Rom

I Have a new Cingular 8525, with VP's 3.0 rom. I am not sure but it seems flash isn't working properly. It will not recognize the message box I am typing in now, having to post this with my laptop.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] redstyles:
Upgrade Radio and .net issues?

I'm trying to upgrate to the new radio version 1.51 and i d/led the rar and extracted the contents to my hermes. ran it and says that it needed components from .net Compact Framework. I downloaded the 2.0 redis NETCF from microsoft and when installing says i have a newer version already installed (i have this problem installing Hard-SPL too)

But i can't find it or think i should uninstall it. Any ideas? I searched and search the forums, but hope one of you can help me. Thanks in advance.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
Have you installed hardspl? I've had the same problem trying to install the .net compact framework, but have never had a problem upgrading a radio, or been asked about .net when trying to flash anything.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stevebonning:
Flame retardant zone--great idea....

Another site for new members to find reference links and threads here
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
make sure your keyboard is set to cingular...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Wolfdragon:
Radio ROMs

I have a question for the Cingular/AT&T users... which radio rom works best and under what conditions?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kevbodian:
Best radio rom is most likely the latest one available in Cingular's latest release.

Cingular's network is big so its hard to make the perfect radio rom.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] arcquisumbing:
got over excited

moral lesson: READ and be PATIENT.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] redstyles:
I installed .net Framework on the desktop and then could install HardSPL, and i flashed with new radio no problem. Thanks for all your help. These forums are amazing! Makes us noobs feel better :-P
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] loweryr:
I'm AT&T in columbus ohio and I run 1.48

From what I've learned flashing the radio is about the most dangerous thing a newb like me can do so I don't recommend doing it often, and definately without hardspl. 1.48 is the most recent one that I believe most people are having the fewest problems with. 1.51 is the latest but a number of people have reported issues with keeping thier 3g data connection working. For some people it works for a couple days, others not at all, and for others they don't seem to have a problem. All At&t users in different areas are having different experiences. Feel free to experiment if you want, but remember to a small but potent degree your are tempting the fates when flashing your radio.

Significant areas where different radios can have different results

-Signal strength

-data speed

-battery life

-number of dropped calls

-amount of lag time between caller hearing a ring, and your phone actually ringing.

My advice stick don't upgrade past 1.48 until the bold and the fearless have tested out later versions for a period of months. Then read up on their experiences in the forums and make your own call.

Best of luck
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
I'm using the very latest Cingular radio (check sig below) and have had no issues with it. 1.48 was a vg radio as well from my personal standpoint.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
so far for me it's been 1.50, but i keep 1.48 handy, just in case.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] wingmann:
Place all files in one folder?

Thank you, thank you, for a Noob area, and for ALL of you who have posted questions and answers. They really DO help!

Here is my question: I found another post with a STEP by STEP guide to installing "the Black Majik" rom. It seems very clear, and I appreciate that person's work and post. One thing that wasn't stated.... does one put ALL upgrade files, programs, etc, into the the same folder? Does it "have" to be some particular place on the computer's drive? (such as the c:\, or Windows, etc....). Are all upgrade ROMs ".exe" files, or ".cab" files, or what? Thank you in advance for answers. It will then be UPGRADING TIME!!!!

:)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
I haven't looked, but I believe "Black Majik" uses a standard RUU (.exe). So you can just run the Black Majik installer from anywhere on your computer. As far as any other 3rd party programs that you'd like to install, there are two kinds, ".exe" and ".cab". An ".exe" installs onto your device from your computer (doesn't matter what folder or directory you install it from). A ".cab" needs to be put on your device to install it. It doesn't matter where you place it on your device to install it from either (you can delete the .cab once installation is over).

Does that make sense? :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] PrideKnight:
dumb ass question im sure, but reset, soft and hard, whats the difference?

is holding down the power button and shutting down a hard reset? or is that still soft the same as putting the stylus in the hole?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] wingmann:
Yes, makes sense. I do know the two extension types -- I've used them to add programs to my 8525. I just didn't know if they had to be in the same folder -- since all the posts I've read regarding upgrading stress that EVERYTHING should be done "right" (else you might brick), I thought I'd check to see if there should or should not be a restriction on this.

So... in a sense, a ROM upgrade is just .exe "program" that loads the new operating system and cooked programs onto the 8525?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] wingmann:
As I understand it.... (just as in a computer) turning off the device is a Soft Reset, if you will. Sometimes, the phone locks up, and therefore the normal way to turn it off and Reset things won't work. Ergo, you use the stylus and press the button at the bottom and it does it. Both of these ways do not do anything destructive to your device ( i.e. wipe out loaded programs, loose files, etc.)

A hard reset DOES wipe out any user-loaded programs, and DOES wipe out your files, etc. Supposed to make reset the device back to the way it was when you bought it.

Does this help?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] PrideKnight:
thats pretty much what id figured, just like rebooting your computer to free up memory or formatting to start from scratch.

very new to all this, and just picking it up as i go, i can get my head around most of it easily (ive flashed up to black majik and upped my radio) its just some of the smaller things.

on a related note, has anyone seen anywhere something that will allow me to move my scrollbar to the left hand side of the screen (im left handed) and change the date format on HTC home to dd/mm/yy? ive tried searching both, but i could be using crap search terms...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
Exactly. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
Isn't it always the small things that get us? ;)

Regarding moving the scrollbar over to the left, I remember some time ago it being discussed off an on. But I believe there was never a solution found for it.

Check out this thread to change the date format for HTC Home.

If you check out my sig, you'll notice that I'm not a fan (as most aren't) of the built in search on the forums. I always HIGHLY recommend using Google to search the site. If you click on my link below, you can see how easy it is to use it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] PrideKnight:
thanks champ. it appears the scrollbar is something ima have to live with for now... workin on the regedit now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mcorrie1121:
What is the page pool, what is the difference between one of 4mb and 6, and why those numbers?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kevbodian:
I am not entirely sure but I think it is kind of like cache. The phone will store certain data that is frequently accessed in this 'cache' so that it will load faster. Larger pool = larger cache; however, too much cache and you will see diminishing returns as far as performance goes.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Methadras:
i'm running schaps 3.60a and in the weather panel it displays the temperature in celsius instead of farenheit... is there a way to change this...?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mcorrie1121:
I haven't used Schaps' roms but if the weather panel is part of the HTC Home plugin, you have to edit the registry as follows:

HKLM/Software/HTC/HTCHome/Weather/Settings

Change the value of "Celcius" from 1 to 0 and it should show fahrenheit.

Ok my turn (I love this thread :D )...I have seen Hermes referred to as Herm100, Herm200, and Herm300...what are the differences here?