[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
2014 quark vs 2015 kinzie

I was not impressed with the 2015 Kinzie (Moto X Force/Droid Turbo 2) which is the successor to our 2014 Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx).

Kinzie has problematic Snadragon 810 (which heavily throttles down) vs Quark's Snapdragon 805. Still 3GB RAM. Oh, and SMALLER battery than our Quark (3760 mAh vs 3900). Not a BIGGER battery, but SMALLER. HOW is this is an improvement? :rolleyes:

SEE the specs:

QUARK vs KINZIE

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...,Motorola-DROID-Turbo-2/phones/8956,9774?ft=2

The Moto Quark was the 5.2" version of the Moto Nexus 6, while the Kinzie is the 5.4" version of the Quark -- with a SMALLER BATTERY and DIMMER display. The Kinzie does have a microSD card slot, which is the one advantage.

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The 2014 Moto Quark was basically the 5.2" version of the gen6 2014 Moto Nexus 6 Google should have released instead of the 6" WHALE they tried to foist on the public. (Google was testing a 5.2" Nexus 6 variant as late as mid-August 2014. Instead of releasing it, or releasing both, they went with the WHALE phablet which was bigger than any Samsung Galaxy Note. And Google later ADMITTED their mistake -- making the top tier 2015 Nexus 5.7" -- still too big, but smaller than the WHALE -- and now the 2015 top tier Nexus phone will be 5.5", even smaller.)

QUARK: Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 1440p AMOLED display (in 2014!), 3900 mAh battery, Qi wireless charging, turbo charging -- and mine has 64GB internal memory. With ballistic nylon back over kevlar.

Almost perfect! 90% of the Moto Nexus 6 specs and with BIGGER battery than the larger phone, but in a more reasonable size. However, Motorola stupidly left off the rear camera OIS and the stereo speakers. Why? :rolleyes:

So, for the 2015 Kinzie, I was hoping Motorola would remedy their idiocy and put those two features back in.

NO. They still left of rear camera OIS and stereo speakers and made the battery SMALLER. Because apparently people complained 3900 mAh was just too much battery? :confused: And they added a very gimmicky plastic thingy on top of the AMOLED display to make it dimmer! ("shatterproof shield" but NOT scratch proof -- scratches very easily -- and makes the AMOLED display DIMMER!)

So, instead of buying a Moto X Force or two, I doubled down on the Quark and bought a THIRD new Moto Maxx XT1225 for backup purposes -- in case something happened to the two my wife and I use every day.

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Also, the Kinzie has very limited XDA development:

XDA - Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Force

http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo-2

Good look around. Very sad.

Droid Turbo 2 (Verizon) bootloader of course is still locked down, never rooted. The Moto X Force has root of course, but they only have "unofficial" CM12.1 -- last updated in February 2016 -- and "unofficial" TWRP. It does have stock Marshmallow (but so do we), and they can root, and I run xposed/Gravity Box + other modules.... But still compare those very limited options to all the custom ROMs and stuff we have for the Quark! :cool:

Kinzie is not horrible, but it was NOT reall an improvement on the Quark (except for the microSD slot). I could easily argue the Quark is the better phone of the two due to larger battery and more XDA development options!

I basically want a 5.2"-5.4" updated Moto Nexus 6. I want everything --

Qi wireless,

rear camera OIS,

IR sensors,

stereo speakers,

1440p AMOLED display,

large battery.

Motorola did it in 2014 with a phone that was too freakin' big -- the Moto Nexus 6. Motorola ALMOST did it with the 5.2" Quark, but left out rear camera OIS and stereo speakers. I keep waiting for someone to step up and do it right.