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[Galaxy Tab S General] luishr:
Well, they could if they wanted to. The same way they force manufacturers that use Android with Google Play Store to have a bundle of Google Play apps and search engine implementations. It doesn't matter if Android is open source in this case, because what matter is to have authorized access to the Play Store and Google resources on Android.

I just think they wouldn't care to do that kind of demand and risk themselves to receive a huge pressure and generate conflicts with manufacturers.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Google is already facing BILLIONS of dollars in fines just for forcing manufacturers to have Google Chrome and Google Search pre-installed. How much more do you want Google to be sued for? If Google starts forcing manufacturers to use their Stock Android, every Government and Manufacturer on Earth would start suing Google.

Your idea would financially destroy Google within 24 months, if not sooner. That is why Google created their own devices called Nexus, in order to get around the above fact.
[Galaxy Tab S General] luishr:
It is not about using the Stock android. It is about making a commitment to update the devices for the newest version available within a certain amount of time (like 2 years nexus time), with the manufacturers keeping their changes, skins, apps, and everything else they want to.

It is totally different than enforcing the use of Google Apps and sesrch and avoiding competition or enforcing manufacturers to use only the version approved by Google of android and prohibiting them to use any other modified version (which is what is happening on the cases that Google is being sued).

And I just said that they could do that if they wanted, but of course it is almost impossible and not at the best interest of Google at all. Even because it would weaken the Nexus brand.

Edit: OK, I read the previous comments that initiated this conversation and I saw why it looked like that I was talking about forcing stock Android. Sorry, I didn't read it properly. Consider only a update agreement in my previous comment.

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[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
The nice thing about Nexus is they get far more than 2 years of support. My 2012 Nexus 7 just finally got kicked to the curb by Google. However, PureNexus runs even better on it than could have been possibly imagined, so in a way, it is still getting Stock Android support. lol

The thing about Manufacturers is that they want to differentiate themselves from other manufactures. The only real way to do that is through being different on the Software front. To the majority of humans, a phone is a phone regardless if one is a $600 handset, or a $100 handset. Most people (not us here of course) just look at the Software features and what it does for them. My brother Mike thinks his $50 Samsung KK phone is the best phone on the planet and nothing will convince him otherwise, until he experiences something else himself. I look at his $50 phone like I look at dinosaurs and even dinosaurs become more interesting to me. But he absolutely loves it because of what the Samsung software does on it for him. However, my brother Joshua isn't even satisfied with his S7, nor his S6 or S5 or his S3. His phone needs to be a $2000 model and even then he probably wont like it much.

Yeah Stock Android forced upon manufacturers handsets would not go over very well with the public or the companies, UNLESS it was a choice, haha. Id love to see PureNexus as a purchasing choice though. hehe you get Stock Samsung crap, or pay an extra $20 for the right to use stock Android, or PureNexus, or CM without voiding the warranty. YES PLEASE! Lol (yeah I know it would be nicer if that option were just free, but your NEVER going to see that option without them making money from it somehow)
[Galaxy Tab S General] :
So is that crap coming to tab s or not ?????!!!!!!??????!?!?!!
[Galaxy Tab S General] luishr:
Yep, I pretty much agree with all you said.

It would just be nice to see agreements between Google and manufacturers to ensure that their software is updated for at least 2 years. So, in the least of benefits, this would ensure that the Android Community is not so fragmented as it is now.

They could still be doing all the things that differentiate themselves in the software field, but also doing the upgrades and making everything better for everyone.

In the least of all, making sure that devices newer than 2 years old receives security updates properly would be nice (even though I think this should be mandatory).

---------- Post added at 07:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:12 PM ----------

Short answer from what I saw: no one is sure. Maybe yes maybe no.

I can be wrong here, and anyone feel free to correct me, please.

If it does come out, it will probably also take a while.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
For some odd reason, I don't think 2 years is enough proper support, and it definitely does NOT satisfy me. I think these devices should have something like 5 years of software support minimum, imo. I mean if you buy a computer, which can cost no differently, regardless of the manufacturer, will come with many years of OS support. Even the new Ubuntu Tablets will get 5 years of software support (probably using LTS of course). I don't know how long OS X gets support for, but Windows usually comes with something like 5 years as well, plus two extra years of security support. Why these expensive Smart Phones and Tablets gets such crappy 2 years or less support is beyond me. 3 years minimum on a device below $500 and 5 years maximum should be how it is IMO, on a device that originally cost over $500. lol yeah...
[Galaxy Tab S General] Tinderbox (UK):
5 Years support, It`s hard to get Samsung support 5mins past when they took your money, Only joking, Samsung is FAB :rolleyes:

John.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Yeah tell me about it. 5 years is just what I would like to see and what would be normal for OS and software support. But the hardware manufacturer will never do that. It's up to Google and 3rd party development apparently.

Tbh, cm12.1 has become nearly perfect for my Tab S. I don't think I would be missing much of marshmallow if it doesn't come one way or the other.
[Galaxy Tab S General] hkklife:
I'd love to see the manufacturers and/or Google somehow monetize OS updates within reason. Maybe 2 years of guaranteed OS updates for free (everything---OS and security) then maybe offer 2 more years of optional updates for a price? Apple tried to do it in the early days of the iPod Touch and I still would not mind one bit paying for a fast, stable, timely update from the manufacturer.

It drives me nuts when you have a device with superb specs like the Note 3, Note 4 or Tab/Note Pro that have shorter lifespans simply because of no more official OS updates whereas a new low-end device just released is going to see Marshmallow and possibly N.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Definitely OK with me. Just keep the cost within reason, such as apps are. Google makes billions off of Android already, but its the manufacturers who decide it's not worth it. However, new Android versions is actually why some people buy new hardware. Which could mean they would ask hundreds of dollars for Android support to continue. Something like $5 a year every year for another 3 years tops (after the free 2) would be OK with me. But remember if we start doing this its going to be harder for developers to get a hold of the source code as companies try and keep it in-house to protect the income. Why buy it from Samsung if a developer is doing it for free at xda using the exact same code?

Or maybe they should just hire the developers from XDA to maintain Android on their top 10 devices. lol
[Galaxy Tab S General] TheGoD:
Tab S2 just got first Marshmallow update rollout:

http://www.gsmarena.com/android_60_...r_the_samsung_galaxy_tab_s2_97-news-17946.php
[Galaxy Tab S General] Akopps:
Speaking of Apple, when I was an Apple user, back in the days of PowerPC processors, Apple did not guarantee ANY free Mac OS X version updates at all. But for a small fee of about 50 USD, you could keep buying a new version of each MacOS X until your device becomes so old that it's simply not technologically feasible to run the latest OS and still make it useful. I liked that model. The problem with it though, the Android space is so fragmented that a lot of vendors won't find it very feasible porting the latest android, even with a small fee for the updates.
[Galaxy Tab S General] jondm1:
Just seen that samsung has dropped tabs (S, S2) from monthly security updates. This means less chance of future updates...
[Galaxy Tab S General] :
Do you have a source for the announcement ?

I really cant see samsung dropping the S2 so soon
[Galaxy Tab S General] jondm1:
They have gone from the samsung site here http://security.samsungmobile.com/introsm.html.
[Galaxy Tab S General] :
No mention of the S7 either :(
[Galaxy Tab S General] Tinderbox (UK):
Stabbed in the back from Samsung again showing their true colours, Glad i am not S2 owner or i would be fuming.

John.
[Galaxy Tab S General] walrusmonarch:
While a longer support time frame would be nice, I highly doubt that would ever happen. With the sheer amount of devices that Samsung puts out every year, supporting all of them for that long is impractical and a waste of money/time. Especially with how many modifications they make to stock Android. Having to implement these features AND test them on each device is time consuming. If such a long support time frame were to be implemented, then they would have to seriously cut back on the number of devices they release and/or go for a more stock Android, which I doubt is going to happen. Not everyone likes stock android. I've used many Nexus devices, while the updates are fast, they are pretty bare bones. I like a lot of the tweaks that Samsung adds, if they were ever to stop doing that, then there is not much point in buying a Samsung versus a Nexus.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
So what your saying is, Microsoft can support literally thousands upon thousands of devices in the world for many years and Linux can support thousands as well for decades practically, but Samsung can't support even the bare minimum handful of their flagships with a micro-fraction of the hardware for a reasonable practical time frame? Don't that seem extremely lame to you? It sure does to me. Besides I am talking support just like Linux does, a OS that can be installed on practically any PC hardware. We need Android to be capable of simply installing on any hardware as well, such as the TAB S, which would require Samsung to release source code for their devices hardware chips. They don't need to do testing on older hardware (it was all done during initial development anyway), no one does, but 3rd parties such as Google, CM, PureNexus etc would have a much better time of it if source was at least released for the hardware involved. Extra features that Samsung has is all via software anyway. No reason they can't release an apk for their finger print reader, etc, that works on future versions of Android, or Android just supporting it out of the box like a true Linux OS. Bottom line is they are money hungry and want you to throw away perfectly good hardware after a year or two, which is extremely wrong as the world runs dry of its resources. I'm not saying we need to slow down with creating better more advanced tech, but I am saying we sure need to slow down with throwing it all away. Hundreds of years from now people will look back and call our Generation the single dumbest generation to ever walk the planet just because of how we consume everything in our path and throw it all away far far too quickly.

I don't want my children's children growing up on mountains of toxic Samsung devices that could have lasted longer. That's what my Children's children's children, and their robots are for... :D
[Galaxy Tab S General] fred_be9300:
Indeed the S and S2 used to be there, and were removed a few months ago. I think it was even mentioned in this thread at that time

It's exemplary (or actually just plain normal...) that Samsung promises monthly security updates. But in terms of execution it seems that they lack the willingness and commitment. I hope the time freed up in their teams is spent on giving us Android M
[Galaxy Tab S General] djnikkofb:
Hey, i just seen the HTC HD2 just got marshmallow, and that phones damn near 8 years old with 512mb ram
[Galaxy Tab S General] trixter29:
So I was just at my local Samsung store and I got in a conversation with the manager. Not sure how good his info is, but he seemed pretty educated on the matter. He said that the tab s and tab s2 will get marshmallow, but it may take samsung some time. Not related, but he also said that the note 6 will have an iris scanner and that he recieved a report from corporate that said Samsung is testing some type of holo projection to possibly be on some future Samsung device.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Did he mention anything about the new Vulkan based TouchWiz that was reportedly being developed? Vulkan would be the single most important feature to come to our devices, if it ever does.
[Galaxy Tab S General] trixter29:
Sadly he did not say anything about Vulkan. He just explained where the iris scanner would be placed and that they are trying to gather info on whether are not the next note should or should not have an edge display. He also said the new note would of course have waterproofing and a micro sd card slot.
[Galaxy Tab S General] dave106:
S2 8.0 just got MM as well. So that's the roll out for both sizes started now
[Galaxy Tab S General] :
Gimme android 6 NOW !!!!
[Galaxy Tab S General] Greydoggydog:
Samsung's upgrade policies suck

And that is why I will never buy another Samsung product. Beautiful Hardware. Love my Galaxy Tab S 10.5, but Samsung's updating policy totally sucks. As I said, I will never buy again. I had a Galaxy S5 phone for about 1 year and then traded it in on a Motorola X play. Love the quick updating with Motorola. I just recently upgraded my Galaxy Tab 10.5 to marshmallow (AOSP) and have also experimented with CyanogenMod 12.1, done through TWRP and Odin,.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Tinderbox (UK):
The Tab S2 is not on that list, and the Marshmallow update is rolling out for it now, so keep your fingers crossed for our Tab S1

John.
[Galaxy Tab S General] j1gga84:
Even the Galaxy S5 is not on that list and gets MM ;)

regards
[Galaxy Tab S General] warriorking:
I am still waiting for Marshmallow on my Galaxy S6 Edge phone from AT&T ..

So I am not holding my breath for the Tab S update to roll out anytime soon....
[Galaxy Tab S General] jonsonsama:
that's actually ATT's fault, not Samsung to be fair since all other US carriers gave MM to their s6/s6e.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 3DSammy:
My warranty ended this last weekend so I decided to try the [ROM][6.0.1] Android 6 - Marshmallow by Schischu.

So far (a few days) my experience with this custom ROM has simply made the lack of a Samsung update to Marshmallow for the TabS series mute. This custom ROM is that good.

Here is a post on my personal experience with this ROM.
[Galaxy Tab S General] jayochs:
cool rom and all, just sucks not having multi window on stock android. one of the few tw features i use all the time.
[Galaxy Tab S General] AnION0:
use Xposed with module XHaloFloatingWindow or SkyOlin Helper, they're better than stock multiwindow.
[Galaxy Tab S General] jayochs:
I tried xposed ones and they never worked right for me on 6.0.
[Galaxy Tab S General] behzad.bz:
Marshmallow released for Tab A now... Another step for us
[Galaxy Tab S General] warriorking:
Congrats Samsung you have now eclipsed AT&T for the slowest roll out of Marshmallow..

They rolled out Marshmallow yesterday ....

Don't think I would display the trophy too proudly....
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
I'm already testing Android N on my Nexus device, also a 2014 device. Very very sad Samsung.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Tinderbox (UK):
So should we start an Android N not coming to Tab S :p

John.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Haha I vote no. Lollipop works just fine but it could be improved.
[Galaxy Tab S General] lartomar2002:
You know guys I would love to see Samsung update this tablet to M or N but if they don't I am not going to run out and buy a new tablet just to get some of the improvements. Samsung had already incorporated many of the M features in their lolipop version plus if you want M we already have a custom M rom and now the camera is working. This has been the best tablet I have ever owned.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Tinderbox (UK):
I am still on Kitkat (skipped lollipop) and was looking forward to MM.

John.
[Galaxy Tab S General] suburbadroid:
delete
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
I could never run KK, just far far too slow, no where near the battery life and way too many bugs for my liking. CM12.1 is the ONLY rom I have even remotely enjoyed on my TAB S, just insanely rock solid and super fast. Plus I get to run a theme and boot screen to MY liking, not Samsung's awful tastes.

But that's me ;) and everyone has their own tastes.
[Galaxy Tab S General] :
Samsung wtf this was best tablet 1 year ago, pls release android m!!!
[Galaxy Tab S General] 5warafat1:
I think we all need to go to Samsung to complain about this, that's the only way they will listen
[Galaxy Tab S General] flhthemi:
I already did, on their FB page...No response is a response!
[Galaxy Tab S General] luishr:
Did Samsung ever shown any sign that they listen to their customers on social media and online channels?

Not even being sarcastic, real question here, because I never saw Samsung addressing public complaints regarding updates.
[Galaxy Tab S General] msd24200:
I just purchased this tab s 10.5 Friday night. Brand new unopened box at my local Walmart for $250! I'd love to get android M on here just like on my nexus 6 but even if they don't update it, it's still an extremely nice device and it's fast! I'm really glad I picked it up especially for the price that I paid!
[Galaxy Tab S General] Lightn1ng:
Yes its still a great device (I'd still take it over the S2!) but the software is very bloated.

If you just use it to browse the net, netflix, youtube, etc... you cant beat that screen!

With Marshmallow, this thing will be amazing! Assuming we get it...
[Galaxy Tab S General] msd24200:
It plays games very well also, I haven't had any lag issues yet! I have a 128gb Samsung Evo micro SD card in it as well
[Galaxy Tab S General] Lightn1ng:
Not much of a gamer here but Riptide GP2 runs flawlessly. TouchWiz just needs more optimizations
[Galaxy Tab S General] msd24200:
Agreed, Nova definitely feels more smooth! I'm liking the 10.5 a lot, it feels very well built, nice and slim, fast, and amazing picture quality!
[Galaxy Tab S General] 5warafat1:
Lol thought this thread was about android M coming to tab s rather than games 0_o
[Galaxy Tab S General] Tinderbox (UK):
I suppose a lot of us have Samsung smart TV`s

Samsung smart TVs to start putting ads on top of things people are watching

John.
[Galaxy Tab S General] flhthemi:
That's another product they make that I will NEVER buy again.

Several models of their TV's had faulty power supplies, so bad in fact, that they were sued in a class action suit. Seems they like those cheap china made capacitors and had many failures. I have one of those models and just fixed it myself with the aid of a DIY video on youtube. I also had a 27" Sammy TV that when I did a Firmware upgrade it messed up the TV. No I didn't do it wrong, the firmware had a bug as several other owners had the same issue. The TV quit working and the main board had to be replaced. No way known to roll back the FW. Pity was, all the FW was updating was the headphone jack! Had I known that at the time I wouldn't have bothered with it. Lucky me, I found a guy on ebay that had a pulled board from a TV that had the screen smashed. 75 dollars and 1 hour of my time got it back up and working fine.

So, to Samsung I say...NEVER, NEVER again...I want NOTHING you have ever again.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Eddie Hicks:
The Verizon S5 is now gettng MM today. Maybe there is still a chance.

http://www.androidauthority.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-now-updating-android-marshmallow-695748/
[Galaxy Tab S General] mt2020:
Tab s2 was also announced today.
[Galaxy Tab S General] <galaxylove>:
tab s2 got the update months ago
[Galaxy Tab S General] mt2020:
Oops, yea, mean't Verizon version.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Lightn1ng:
Yes I just got that update on my Verizon S5. It is a great update, battery life is great, lots of small improvments. I hope the Tab S update is this good! :D
[Galaxy Tab S General] lartomar2002:
Your interest are interesting. I just can't get the image out of my head of a 13 yo flying a plane with a nuclear bomb on board! :eek:
[Galaxy Tab S General] Lightn1ng:
OK this button should deploy the wing flaps *bomb bays open* wrong button...

EDIT: Thought I was in the s5 forums so mentioned your having a tab s... oops:eek:
[Galaxy Tab S General] :
Where is our android m ?????!!!!! Samsung wtf ?!?!? Release now !!!!!
[Galaxy Tab S General] Lightn1ng:
Good luck with that.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Levistras:
http://www.samsung.com/us/search/searchMain?Dy=1&Nty=1&Ntt=tab+s

There's a feedback link at the top of this page. At least it's a start... we should all submit a request for MM on the Tab S.
[Galaxy Tab S General] migmig0012@gmail.com:
hi everyone

look what I found

is this mean marshmallow coming soon for tab s?

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/SM-T807RZWAUSC

see screenshot
[Galaxy Tab S General] open1your1eyes0:
Great find! :D

Looks like this is the most promising Marshmallow news we've had to date!
[Galaxy Tab S General] dave106:
Did you check it out though, it's full of regulations and legal stuff. Absolutely nothing like a 'manual' should be. It's also dated last year.
[Galaxy Tab S General] lartomar2002:
I don't know about the T807 if this info is correct then good for you but for us T800 owner we have a different Soc, CPU and GPU. Therefore I don't believe if the same Marshmallow update would work for us. I am not a expert so maybe someone that has more knowledge than me can jump in here?
[Galaxy Tab S General] migmig0012@gmail.com:
I hope mm come for all models of galaxy tab s soon
[Galaxy Tab S General] TimurAlaskara_TR:
i have never seen that samsung forgot to update other models of one device except on the galaxy tab 4 series where the 7inch variant hasnt got any update (it was a very weak devcie)

and also what [MENTION=5748911]migmig0012@gmail.com[/MENTION] has found does not sound very promising because it looks just like a fail in their website - this MM 6.0 PDF was written on 24.06.2015 (my birthday lol) but at this time marshmallow was not even released..........
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Done!
[Galaxy Tab S General] RoyBM:
probably wont make a difference but i did leave feedback as well.

"Hoping you release a good stable, optimized release of Marshmallow for Tab S 8.4.

Its one of your Flagship devices and needs more attention. It is still a very relevant device.

I feel as if I have been abandoned with all of these other tablets you have released after it.

If there is no further support, I will have to buy from elsewhere next time."
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
My reply was similar but not quite as friendly, lol. I did use please and thank you, but I also said this will be the last purchase from Samsung if I do not at least see M or N, one or the other. If they decide to bypass M and go with N for the TAB S, then that would be OK too imo, but I doubt that would happen.
[Galaxy Tab S General] flhthemi:
The number one thing I think they NEED to do is just publicly state exactly what they ARE/ARE NOT going to do. At least then I would know if I should be seeking a custom ROM for MM or N.
[Galaxy Tab S General] SkOrPn:
Agreed a more accurate device list and time line would help a bunch. NVIDIAs chart and Nexus all have full expectations of just about when you will see the next OS release. I even know that by the end of this Month I will see OS 3.2 (Android M 6.0.1) for my SHIELD TV, but have no clue what so ever what is happening on my TAB S. lol