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[X Play General] ephumuris:
Just saying for the 10 or so users complaining on here there are thousands of users happy with the device. The dev community is in the minority after all.
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
Hey all. I have been using the x play since 2 weeks and yes there are minor 'lags' here and there. Doesn't bother me that much but swiping a tab or closing chrome app from the recents i see lag. A solid 1 sec hold up. Only thing that has been annoying me. I use chrome a lot and everytime i see that happen i just get so frustrated. Maybe i should switch to another browser?
[X Play General] MrBelter:
The odd stutter i am having to put up with is nothing compared to the whole experience of using it when compared to my Nexus 5, the Moto X Play is much, much nicer to use.
[X Play General] Jimi_1002:
Even I did similar and the performance especially with the minor glitches went down, no more glitches now.
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
Crap. Why didn't I think of that. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. Chrome glitch is no more. Feels fast while switching between apps. ??

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(Couldn't edit my last post.)I spoke too soon. Chrome closing animation glitch still exists. Although not as severe it still annoys me a lot. But animations do seem faster on the whole.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Of course that won't fix it, it just makes the animation to run faster.

You can say it glitch faster.
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
Hope next update fixes these things.
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
I reduced all the animations to 0.5 scale and i feel the device os much better now than before. Especially in Drippler app which use to stutter a lot works less stuttery now.
[X Play General] Mooseh:
Have to say I completely agree with the nexus 5 part. The nexus 5 was amazing when I first got it, but it quickly slowed down to a snails pace, I often found myself flashing a rom on it every couple of weeks to counter this, and DO NOT get me started on the nexus 5's battery life. I've been using the MXP for about a month now and it's pretty much how I got it out the box. Fingers crossed it doesn't screw up.
[X Play General] brom25:
Okay after some hours of tweaking (Unlock Bootloader, TWRP'ed, Rooted, Xposed'ed and Greenified for now), setting up the animations in Dev Options at 0.5x and Nova Launcher animations at Fast, the phone is as fast as my iPad Air 2 and my dad's OPO. The battery life seems to have improved as well. Let's see for the next couple of days how it goes.
[X Play General] mahangoswami:
Headphone icon not appearing..

Is this normal.. ? I mean I was using Htc desire 501 before moto x play.. whenever v plug in headphone ,v see a icon in status bar/notification bar... but in moto x play ,I 'm not seeing any icon......
[X Play General] mishko:
That's normal. I think that's a Sense thing maybe?

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[X Play General] mahangoswami:
May be.. but also in other handsets i have seen this ? icon.

Called Motorolla Customers support about this,he told that with marshmallow update we will fix it.. .. ..
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Well that's a universal issue so no need to worry.
[X Play General] 0l1v3rof:
I know that the headphone icon works on Resurrection Remix
[X Play General] Genetixs:
Interesting, I hope Motorola can figure out how to fix it too.

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Im quite sure Motorola is aware of the issue and working to fix it. Overall the phone feels as snappy as any flagship when shifting through apps, but in its current state, responsiveness is where the phone falls flat. It seems like many people on this forum can't tell the difference. Which leads me to believe they arent as knowledgable on the subject as they're acting. In other words, the ones saying this phone has zero lag, obviously dont see or feel it because theyre already accustomed to it. Ive also noticed it has quite an aggressive app killing policy while multitasking, which is an issue for some. But for me, the apps open fast enough to not annoy me whether or not it's being stored in ram. So I can let that one slide.
[X Play General] 0l1v3rof:
Changing the little cores to on demand and setting touch boost to Max for the little cores. It makes the phone much more responsive.

When Phoenix kernel had lionfish governor, it flew. (When applied separately on the big and lttle cores)
[X Play General] DiegoMarcondes:
I've got some lags when browsing on Chrome and when I'm using Dolphin too. Lags when I close some apps too...

I also agree with yall about the touchscreen sensitivy, I don't know now If it's caused by the glass screen protector I'm using now, but sometimes I need to hit the screen more than 2 times to get some response from the device.

But anyway, I'm very happy with the X Play performance after using a Moto G 2013 for almost 2 years, I hope it doesn't get slower by the time.
[X Play General] Curiousrge:
Im coming from a xperia z3, and the difference is very huge about the touch.

Im scared, thinking about return that moto X play and pick-up another device.

It can be fixed with a custom kernel or ROM ?

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Maaaan,

Is exactly this.

Sometimes I have to click 2 or 3 times for open something ... Feel a little bit lags in screen tradicions. I was thinking that was my device, but now I know that is not only my phone.
[X Play General] Sevael:
While my Galaxy S6 seemed slightly more reliable in touch sensitivity, my Moto X Play isn't bad by any means.

I've used countless Samsungs and LGs, plus a couple of Motorolas, and their touch sensitivity is all very similar. I've never used a Sony smartphone, but I can't imagine that the sensitivity on Sony phones would be drastically different from the other brands. So if you're finding your Moto X Play to be significantly less sensitive than your Sony, you may have a defective one. I would recommend exchanging it for another Moto X Play before giving up on the phone completely.
[X Play General] DiegoMarcondes:
Are you using some screen protector too?

This is annoying me, sometimes neither If i click on the screen with more force I get some response. I don't remember having this issue when I wasn't using the glass screen protector.
[X Play General] Curiousrge:
I dont use any screen protection. My phone is naked since it arive here. :(
[X Play General] neu - smurph:
I'd be interested to see some diagnostic app outputs - a few things are hinting at low initial clock speeds and a slow to react governor in what folk are saying, and I'm aware of this being a bug related to the camera in one other Moto Phone. (the original G on 5.02). Also be interesting to see if Moto have continued with the trend of overly aggressive memory management which can impact on multistasking.

Could someone with the Moto X try this with CPU Spy Reloaded (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vibhinna.cpuspyfree) or a similar app?

1) Reboot the phone - use as normal for 5 -10 minutes except for the camera. Take a screenshot of the Bar Chart output on CPU Spy Reloaded and post

2) Reboot the phone - take a few photos and then use and normal for 5-10 minutes. Take a screenshot of the Bar Chart output on CPU Spy Reloaded and post.

It would also be interesting to see some screenshots from Setting/Developer Options/Process Stats - looking at Background apps over the various available periods. Ideally on a phone with minimal always running in the background user apps installed.

Some screenhots from Aida64 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.finalwire.aida64) or similar - particularly the System screen - looking for the difference if any between Installed RAM & Total Memory and the CPU Screen (mainly for the governor).

And finally (bear with on this one it does give a useful insight) - could someone download the app Fill RAM Memory (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.empirical.android.application.fillmemory), load it up, click on the Fill Full Ram button and keep an eye on the Free Memory total to see how low it goes before Fill RAM memory gets killed. It will probably fluctuate around a particular value for a while - interested to know roughly what this value is and gives an insight into whether the Low Memory Killer has been tweaked to favour a high free ram (resulting in poor multitasking).
[X Play General] Devhux:
Fill RAM gets killed around at around 170MB Free memory, though other processes started getting killed at around 350-450MB (assuming this as the free memory counter goes up when this happens).
[X Play General] Devhux:
AIDA64 info.
[X Play General] neu - smurph:
Thank for posting - I think the difference between total memory and installed RAM is par for the course in 4.4+ devices - it's some sort of kernel swap area.

The amount of RAM left when it starts killing background processes and the foreground task is surprisingly high though . When I perform those tests on a 720p 1GB Moto it's around 140MB when cached apps start getting killed and around 90MB when the foreground app gets killed.

Thinking about this though it makes sense - I'm pretty sure some of the 'free memory' is actually being used as a UI cache... if so makes sense that 1080p screen needs just over twice the cache of 720p.
[X Play General] Nico3d3:
I checked with no frills cpu control and the phone is configured to use interactive governor by default. However, it use cfq instead of row I/O scheduler... It seem kind of strange, knowing that row is generally better for a phone.

Now that we can root the phone, we'll be able to change advanded properties of the CPU governors with a kernel tuner.
[X Play General] DrYnternet:
The performance is definitely worse than on my Nexus 5. But then again it is a brand new device and there has been no updates yet.

I remember when I first got my Nexus 5 (bought it the day it was announced). It was far away from a great performance, so I'd say let's wait for either Moto to step up or our beloved custom ROM and kernel developers here on xda.
[X Play General] ashkan_mc:
I am seriously planning to move from my S5 to X play. But I think I am gonna miss the camera of S5.

I am tired of the crappy software of samsung and wanna try the vanilla android.

But still I am not sure. CM 12.1 is buggy for S5 and also battery with CM is not good. :confused:
[X Play General] Devhux:
There is definitely some odd behavior with the Moto X Play. Now that we have root, I installed Kernel Audiutor to have a look at how things are configured CPU wise.

- Kernel Audiutor treats the Snapdragon 615 as a Big. LiTTLE SoC. Technically, this is incorrect as all the cores are "LiTTLE" Cortex A53 cores, but so be it.

- The maximum clock speed for the first 4 cores is 1651MHz, and the minimum is set to 960MHz (values start at 200)

- The maximum clock speed for the other 4 cores is only 1113MHz, and the minimum is set to 800MHz.

It seems that each set of 4 cores runs at the same frequency, and the first set goes to 1113MHz when I touch the screen. The second set of cores stay at 800MHz. This is observed when scrolling quickly through the CPU screen in Kernel Adiutor.

Seems to me that there's quite a bit of room to tweak things.

Another point of note. Default I/O scheduler is cfq, and the read-ahead is a low 128KB.

Sent from my Golden Zenfone 2
[X Play General] madcat1990:
So all 8 cores in this phone are the same? and not actual Big. LiTTLE? I'm confused.
[X Play General] supercakefish:
They're all based upon the A53 architecture but one of the 4-core clusters is clocked much higher than the other.
[X Play General] madcat1990:
are both clusters capable of the same clocks? I'm shocked there's no A57s.. This is just a LiTTLE architecture as stated above =/

I've checked the /proc/cpuinfo

All cpus are the same variants, etc...

So all cores are the same. WTF?
[X Play General] supercakefish:
No, one cluster is binned for performance, the other for energy efficiency. Only the 808 and 810 have A57 cores.
[X Play General] madcat1990:
But all these cores (all 8 of them), by design, are the same, right? They're just running at different frequencies for performance/power saving?
[X Play General] supercakefish:
Yes.
[X Play General] Devhux:
Yeah, sorry for the confusion. I realized that halfway through my post.
[X Play General] Genetixs:
I would imagine, the current CPU Govener(interactive) seems to be inadequate for this processor. But I assume you'll be sacrificing battery life in the process.
[X Play General] 0l1v3rof:
Nope no affect on battery life
[X Play General] sarxion:
So...did anyone have any luck disabling all 4 little cores on the Stock 5.1 firmware? (Not CM) I'm using Kernel Auditor and already disabled Core Control/enabled Thermal Throttling, but no matter how many times I disable the 4 small cores, every time I come back one gets turned back on. Any ideas?

Oh, and I changed the CPU Governor to On Demand just in case, since most articles I read up on it agreed it was the most reliable.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
I gave up on this, flashed CM and it's not needed anymore. The performance is so much better and battery life is great.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I have complained earlier in the thread, but I bought a X play to test, will return if it isn't satisfactory.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Check that core control is not enabled within the Thermal settings.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Do I have to do some things to reduce micro stutters? I am on the N6 now and tomorrow will be receiving the X play as I said 2 posts ago. If performance is acceptable then I will sell my nexus In favor of the huge battery.

I already read putting animation scale to 0,5, what else?
[X Play General] sarxion:
It isn't, as I mentioned. I guess it's not working on Stock Rom :/
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Keep the n6
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I actually did a lot of research in the last couple of hours and it seems the snapdragon 615 is inefficient.

Geez, wish I hadn't ordered it. Oh Well, will have to return it right away then.

Could you specify why to keep the N6?
[X Play General] dictionary:
Or you could sell it to me for dirt cheap lol.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
I wish the Moto x play had a snapdragon 805 and 3gb of ram in it
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
This makes me cautious, why would you want to trade so much battery life :D

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But it has a lot of battery instead right?
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
That would be good, but the hardware of X Play is already great. The performance issues are all software related. I can guarantee this, because with Cyanogenmod and a custom kernel, the performance is very good and I don't charge it at the day. The only thing I do for saving battery is to disable LTE and using Greenify. When I'm at home and with wi-fi all day, I get 6 hours of screen on.

I can't complain about hardware.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
The thing is, with cm and custom kernel, I still get micro lags. This phone is sufficient for everyday use, but for heavy use, it's disappointing. It's not much cheaper than the Moto x style or the one plus two, but it runs slower than a moto g, which is way cheaper. Big long lasting battery and good camera are the pros of it, that's it imo
[X Play General] dictionary:
Battery is fantastic with a custom ROM, and it feels much better than stock, but still has micro stutter. On top of that, I know the n6 will be getting tons of dev support for a while to come, while it doesn't seem to be the case for the Play. Going forward, it makes me worried about being dev abandoned.
[X Play General] squid2:
The X Play has around double the multicore CPU power, and more than 3 times the GPU power of the 2015 Moto G. Some drivers may be in need of optimization, but the device is by no means laggy, and definitely not slower than a Moto G.

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Don't worry, I won't be leaving you any time soon :D [MENTION=5585603]Quasar[/MENTION] is also working on good things for the X Play.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I am not too worried about that, but I find battery life more important than dev support at this moment.

It will arrive in the next 3 hours, hopefully it will be okay...
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Do you swear on the lives of all of your family members that the device is by no means laggy? Even compared to a nexus 4/5, this is a stepback in terms of speed. So by implying that the n6 is inferior, is laughable.

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Just watch this video showing the comparisons side by side http://f.cl.ly/items/2d0u0v0K0502071E2K43/comparing_motoxplay.mp4.mp4

Everyone thinks I'm lying, judge for yourself
[X Play General] Quasar:
:| The Nexus is undoubtedly far more powerful. He's just implying that the device isn't exactly laggy. I agree with that as well. It isn't laggy, it's just that there are microstutters due to unoptimized software. This device is more powerful than a Nexus 4, and a little behind the Nexus 5. It's meant to be a midrange device, and that's what it is.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I watched it but it isn't enough. need to get a feel myself :P
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Okay the thing does have micro stutters.... Not cool. Less with nova launcher but still.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
How buttery smooth is the nexus 6 now? I'm definitely going back to the nexus line for my next device in the future
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Nexus is just very smooth, no Lagg whatsoever.

Despite the jerking of the moto x play it's still an alluring device and I do not want to part with it, just yet. Maybe they will fix it?
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Well they released this phone in August and it's November now and they haven't fixed it yet. I remember with my n5 bought on release, they fixed the signal(radio) with a small update within weeks. They may fix it, but it might take months. Or maybe not at all. Flash cm and use a custom kernel until then. Or return it, up to you.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Thing is, if I flash something I probably can't return it and I need to return this thing or keep the nexus 6.

The nexus 6 has speakers in it's favour, speed, raw power. Battery life is okay. With 4:30 sot at best.

X play at least has 6 hours sot, speaker is meh but decent, display is equal imo. But the lagginess might annoy me.... Hard to pick.

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Try enabling forced 2d rendering in Dev options. Improves it a lot

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Sad to say, it will go back. The Snapdragon 615 is just not doing it for me.
[X Play General] heisert:
As i said. I think Motorolas focus is on the Android 6 update and then the problems will hopefully be gone.

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[X Play General] Zobat:
If you dare to do install custom rom/kernel than this is the best phone you can buy
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I fear even that won't fix it.

Anyway, i put it in the box again and requested a return. Staying with N6 for now.
[X Play General] eliday15:
I have a question what is the problem of the phone the software or the hardware and if I install cm is there to much changes and can someone do a antutu test with cm and to end how you expect marshmallow will solve these problem

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[X Play General] Zobat:
trol
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Hahahahaha best? Are you kidding me

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That is just a prayer, there is no evidence that they'll fix it
[X Play General] heisert:
It's for me not a no go. Got my Play since Day one and i can live with it.

Btw there is something wrong with the transparent bar setting in the Nova Launcher. When is set to on (even when status bar is set to off) the UI lags much.

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[X Play General] Zobat:
There are kernels and roms that make this phone fly like an eagle

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Hey fingerprint bull****talker:

You should buy something more expensive!
[X Play General] roberth1990:
After reading quickly through this thread I did the following with satisfactory results:

-Flashed Cyanogenmod and squid2's custom kernel

-Installed Kernel Adiutor and did the following with it:

-Disabled all the little cores

-Set the I/O scheduler to ROW and 512 kb readahead

Anyone who have experimented with GPU schedulers?
[X Play General] Quasar:
Tbh the main issue is software optimization, and if custom ROMs can't fix that, not much can. Also, nobody expects this device to fly. It's a midrange device. If you're so salty about the performance, go and pick up a Nexus 6P for yourself.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Nobody expects it to fly but at least not have these stutters. The Moto G 2015 of my sister doesn't have it, and that one is almost half the price.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Actually, the performance issues are gone since i switched to CM, im totally sure this is a software problem.

I can also confirm that the Moto G 1st gen run a lot smoother than this phone on stock rom.

The Nexus 4 too is a lot smoother too.

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[X Play General] Quasar:
That's the software optimization issue that I'm talking about.
[X Play General] droider007:
Moto maxx 2 has the same hardware as moto x play but it seems to be pretty smooth as compared to x play.....also we can record 4k videos in moto maxx 2...i think motorola has disabled 4k recording in x play for some reason... :|
[X Play General] Quasar:
Once those sources and stuff are released, devs can take a better look.
[X Play General] droider007:
Hmmm.....that means micro stutters of x play are indeed due to the unoptimised software
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Since the performance is much better on custom ROMs with cutom kernels, it's obvious that the problem is on the software.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Firstly, why does Motorola force it's play users to void the warranty by doing this? Out of the box it should work as intended.

Points 2 and 3 of your post i agree with
[X Play General] Quasar:
The whole point of XDA is to improve upon the stock firmware experience. I haven't seen anyone crying about TouchWiz on the Samsung forums. They accept what it is and move on. Think of this as teh same. If you don't like it, don't use it.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Just sell it and get something else :P No point in bashing on it some more, I tried it, indeed it is not okay at all.

Oddly enough that's the only phone I wanted out of all other phones, the handsets of nearly all manufacturers really are ****ty/mediocre/meh this year.
[X Play General] allenf:
Mine works perfectly out of the box. HTH.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Is it faster than a nexus 5 let alone nexus 4?
[X Play General] squid2:
How do you expect the MSM8939 to beat the MSM8974 or APQ8084? That's silly talk.

Nobody is saying that its faster than those chipsets. The chipset's power is around the same as the APQ8064 of the Nexus 4, and performance is around the same (in terms of app launch times, gaming, benchmarks). Some animations aren't as smooth as I'd like, but they can be improved with software (partly by custom ROMs, and partly by better optimized drivers that will come from Motorola/Qualcomm.