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[X Play General] heisert:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sturnus.screeninfo

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[X Play General] DroidX1001:
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Are ppi and dpi are same thing???

Its still showing 403 dpi but screen size is 3.46"View attachment 3508699
[X Play General] Denni2306:
Original dpi are 480

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[X Play General] DroidX1001:
And whats 403??
[X Play General] Denni2306:
I dont know. Buggy App

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[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Phisically, the screen has 403 pixels per inch, but the device comes set at 480 by Motorola.
[X Play General] abhishek0704:
i also have same issues....and those flipkart guys are dumb...just by running a test remotely on my device they said everything is fine...
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Finally someone with the same issue i India. Yeah Flipkart guys are dumb. They don't even understand what the problem is. They asked to do a remote check on my device too but i refused it because i already did that with Motorola online service help. They declared my device alright and asked me to visit service centre for further issues.

You can downgrade the resolution to 720p until Motorola release a patch for these issues or the marshmallow update.
[X Play General] abhishek0704:
i did downgrad the resolution but the lags still persist....
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
I did notice some lags here and there in 720p but it's much better than stutters in full hd.

It's a software optimization issue after all. Resolution changes doesn't make much of a difference.
[X Play General] abhishek0704:
well somehow they have agreed to replace my fone?
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
How did you convinced??
[X Play General] Luchinho:
Hi guys, I'm unable to flash any custom roms.... I get this*error*--- > E:Error*executing updater binary in zip. What can I do? Thanks

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[X Play General] Davirus849:
Maybe the file is corrupted, try to download it again.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Funny discovery:

Disabling the last 4 cores (4,5,6,7) also improved the animations performance.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
It make sense. When the animations run on the little cores, the clock is slow and it won't be smooth. But this will probably decrease battery life.

Maybe using the performance governor on the little cores can improve animations too. Probably will improve less, but will consume less power too.

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[X Play General] Davirus849:
Maybe the battery consumption will be balanced since the CPU is using less power feeding 4 cores instead of 8.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
That makes sense too. How do you disable the little cores? I want to test your point.

Edit: I already disabled and will test.

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[X Play General] Davirus849:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mugich.cpumulticorecontrol
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
HUGE DIFFERENCE!

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[X Play General] 0l1v3rof:
Yeah this is the biggest improvement yet. I haven't tried 720p as I really can see the difference, but wow this is amazing. Hopefully battery life isnt affected. Unfortunately it breaks kernel auditor but its worth it

Everything is so smooth now!
[X Play General] abhishek0704:
it took me a lot of time on call for that..but finally they agreed
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
I wonder what software is responsible for chose what cluster will run each task, between big and little. If animations are smoother when the little cluster is disabled, maybe the system is just selecting the wrong cluster for the tasks.

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[X Play General] Davirus849:
Well. I'm good with only 4 cores. Since my first moto x I was too user to 2 cores, 8 cores its overkill for me.

But I believe this phone would be even cheaper and faster if they would ship it with a 4 core CPU.
[X Play General] mutatedknutz:
I got my moto x play 4 days back, so far so good, but yes i do feel the ui is bit slow. So i want to try the 4 core unlock thing, i installed cpu control, but it says root required.

I know rooting avoids warranty, but i want to know if i can un root my phone later?

And can some one link me up to how to root moto x play?

Thank you
[X Play General] Davirus849:
http://theunlockr.com/2015/09/21/root-motorola-moto-x-play/

Once you unlocked your boot loader, you will have to install superSU via TWRP recovery, and you are done.

And yes, you can lock the bootloader again.
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
I am on stock without root. Pure stock ....i did a factory reset via recovery mode... Updated all the apps n reinstalled my all apps....now the lag is very minimal...smooth performance till now.

I wanna ask one thing if i root will it void my warranty??? And if i unroot it will i regain my warranty???

I want to try the 4 core configuration.
[X Play General] heisert:
Yes

No

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[X Play General] 100rabh7791:
Yes of course you will regain your warranty once you Unroot .. i have been doing it for soo many years now ... been to many service centers .. never my warranty was void
[X Play General] heisert:
WTF? You phone is registered by Motorola when you unlock the bootloader. If a Shop takes you device back means not it has still warranty.

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[X Play General] ephumuris:
This is true for most phones where to root you don't unlock the bootloader. In our case to root we HAVE to unlock the bootloader currently and this does void your warranty even if you unlock.
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
Luckely we have still have our consumer rights in the EU. The shop you bought it from still has to fix hardware failure even if you are rooted and/or have an unlocked bootloader.
[X Play General] ephumuris:
You would think this to be true. Have you any evidence to support this as I find this interesting. Could be useful for other users.
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
It comes from "Directive 1999/44/EC ". I don't know how it's applied in your law. You could look it up on consumer websites.

Basically it comes down to the shop selling you are working product. It's almost impossible for Rooting, flashing etc to cause hardware damage. So the shop still has to fix the hardware.

Samsung in The Netherlands will even fix your phone if you manage to brick it. I find it completely retarted from Motorola to void all warranty when you unlock the bootloader.
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
So basically i cannot try the four core configuration without voiding my warranty.
[X Play General] ibr4him:
Hi Guys,

So if I understand correctly, just rooting the phone (which also requires unlocking the bootloader) will void my warranty in India? :|
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Yeah probably... Thats y i am also stuck with this stuttering stock firmware. You facing the same???
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Once you request the unlock code on Motorola's website, your warranty is void. Even if you don't use it, even if you unlock and relock. It's void.
[X Play General] gdalbertojr:
How is battery life using only the four big cores? :confused:
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Supposedly i root my device the my software warranty is lost. Then something software issue arises...then its not covered in warranty but i am rooted and everything is alright... Then my internal emmc for storage crashed which is solely a hardware fault.... Then can i claim my warranty for hardware????
[X Play General] ashisharia:
please suggest other device than x play? dual sim and below 20k inr, i live in india...by reading from all of your exp i dont think i shud buy dis phone

--a frustrated moto g1 user(phone lagging too much)
[X Play General] Davirus849:
OnePlus 2

I have heard good things about Xiaomi Smartphones.
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Its just a software issue which is also faced by few people on moto x style/pure edition. And motorola will gonna rectify it soon. I would still suggest this phone...because of amazing display in 20k..may be the best... Excellent battery life....trust me i am an Indian user n battery is amazing. Camera is pretty good too if you know how to click pictures..(dont do bad photography and blame the camera for it). Marshmallow is just around the corner... Turbo charging n all and it doesnt heat like all those chinese mi4i.....i would still suggest this or you will gonna miss on a pretty powerful smartphone. Apart from it i trust asus zenfones..they are pretty good phones...zenfone 2 is damn good but display n battery is not at all near moto x play. Samsung J7 is good is but too much bloated n i hate touchwiz UI...you can take it as an option though.
[X Play General] ashisharia:
thanks for the reply...i m more into rooting so j7 and mi4i is a no for me....looks like its moto x play vs asus zenfone
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Since you are into rooting...then you must be into custom roms too but bro i want to tell you there aren't many roms developments for zenfones coz of their chipset based on intel atom soc. Its difficult to find development for x86 based architecture.

But as you said that are into rooting then go for moto x play as their are already stable cm12.1 roms are available. Smooth and stable for daily use. Check their threads.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
I can tell you, this moto x play its fun to root.

Once you set CM and mess with the CPU, you can manage to have a great phone on your hands.

Also the camera is really good, I love the quality of its front speakers, great screen, and don't forget the battery.
[X Play General] dark_nobody:
CM 12 or Stock rom for performance?

antutu with stock rom 27XXX - 24XXX

I miss my Lg G2 39XXX - 40XXX in antutu
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Right now, CM is the clear winner for performance.
[X Play General] Mooseh:
Hows the battery life on cm12.1?
[X Play General] Davirus849:
I personally have experienced to not be as good as stock.

But after turning off the last 4 cores I may say it's even better than stock.

Changing to on demand seems to help too. That's my experience with the current CM for this phone.

I also Im using the 720 screen downgrade which should also help the battery performance.
[X Play General] Mooseh:
I had this same problem on my nexus 5...the battery life was a lot less on CM then on stock. Since I don't lag on my stock x play...I think it might be better sticking to stock. Putting off requesting my bootloader unlock code as long as possible.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
By the way, I found this other app, seems to work better that the first one I showed you

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grarak.kerneladiutor
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
This is what I use. But with this, I can't disable all the four little clusters. I only can disable three.

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[X Play General] Davirus849:
That's strange, I have been able to deal with the little ones.
[X Play General] aarmstrong23:
What i have to set up guys in Kernel auditor to have a good battery life?

Motorola Moto X Play 2015
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Actually I do it for the performance gain, but I believe it may help battery life since it's powering 4 cores instead of 8.

You can give it a go, seems safe to do so.
[X Play General] Mooseh:
Yes and no. Those cores are there for battery life at the expensive of performance. I guess this could depend on what cpu profile you use, but by default, when cpu 1 is been utilized, it will be running at the 1.7ghz set by moto. Which for most tasks is a waste, which is why it would dump the process onto cpu 2, running at a slower 1.1ghz, saving battery life, in exchange for performance, which most users won't even notice. On a rooted phone you do have the option to use cpu profiles. It's just another method OEMs use to save battery, since battery is arguably one of the most important factors in a phone.

This all could be migated by an interactive cpu profile? I would love to see some battery benchmarks on a Big.Little CPU vs 4 cores @ 1.7ghz using interactive profile.
[X Play General] dicecuber:
Source of rectify?
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Sounds interesting.

But even if the system is using the more powerful CPU, it still using it at lower frequency.

I believe it could be better to have 4 cores at, let's say, 500 or 900hz, than having 8 cores at those speeds.

Also, I noticed that normally I see the first (big) CPU between 1300hz and the second (little) one at 1100.

It would be better to only have 4 cores at 1300 and the other 1100 turned off? And it even make it faster.
[X Play General] Mooseh:
Wrong quote lol

Why I would love to see battery benchmarks of different configs. I haven't rooted by phone yet, putting it off for now (until 6.0 is OTA). Maybe someone else could provide them.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
I will give it a try to this week, hope someone else could provide his results too for comparison.
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
Battery life on CM is fantastic. One or the CM version out here is even running on a kernel close to stock. So battery life should be the same as with stock.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Maybe is the governor, which is interactive in CM and on demand on stock.
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
Yes, that could be possible.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Kernel Adiutor doesn't work that well for me.

Here is what happened: 1) disabled the little cluster on Kernel Adiutor. 2) checked on CPU-Z and the little cores were correctly disabled. 3) I opened KA again and the first little core was activated. That was weird. 4) I disabled it again, checked on CPU-Z and didn't open KA. 5) I rebooted the phone and it woke up with only one of the little cores enabled and the 4 big cores disabled. Now I know what lag is :laugh:

I will reflash the kernel and see what happens.
[X Play General] 0l1v3rof:
After some testing i would recommend not disabling the 4 little cores. It causes problems during media playback, and will seriously overheat your phone. I think this is because the little cores are handling Ok Moto plus other things. With the 4 cores disabled, my phone got very hot just by sitting on a desk, but with all 8 enabled, no extra heat.

Instead I have found that using the ondemand governor instead for the little cores improves performance dramatically, whilst not causing the same heat problems.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
It's weird, mine didn't have problems with media playback (listened to podcasts and music on Spotify), either heat. Did you check whether you disabled the right cores? I ask because Kernel Auditor didn't work perfectly on mine and maybe it had set something you didn't want.

The governor I use is interactive, on squid's kernel.

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[X Play General] Davirus849:
I have to say, I'm not experiencing those problems.

Yesterday I ran the antutu battery benchmark and the phone wasn't that hot.

Media playback and games runs fine.

But I'm using on-demand with only 4 cores.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Guys, I'm not experienced on benchmarks. I want to benchmark only the CPU performance with four and eight cores, with ondemand and interactive governors. What app do you recommend? Will I need to wait long for the process or it's quick? Will it uncharge all the battery? I want to make it and post the results here ASAP.

Thanks.

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[X Play General] 0l1v3rof:
I think the heat might of come from active display or whatever I have enabled. It was extemely warm to the touch. Interactive for the big cores and ondemand for the little helps with lag.

When watching videos (most of what I use my phone for), animations lag and sometimes the video lags when only the 4 big cores are enabled
[X Play General] Davirus849:
You may want to give CM a try.

I never did the those test with stock rom, even that the current CM uses stock kernel, my experience with CM have been really smooth.

Best Moto X I had since.
[X Play General] douglastabajara:
CM12.1 is far better than stock... And if you downgrade the resolution to 720p it is even smoothest and too much better performance on graphics!!
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Hey guys, seriously thinking about getting a X Play, either alongside my Nexus 6 or replacing it.

Are the micro laggs really that annoying? And is the battery life much better too?
[X Play General] aarmstrong23:
How to downgrade the resolution?

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[X Play General] DroidX1001:
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A whooping 6 hours of screen on time on stock.... That's going in my good books.
[X Play General] Mufface:
adb shell wm size 720x1280

adb shell wm density 320

adb reboot

And the way back:

adb shell wm size 1080x1920

adb shell wm density 480

adb reboot

Bye, Klaus
[X Play General] Mooseh:
Adblocks browser seems to lag quite a bit :S Thats the only app that i've downloaded that I've noticed microlag on.
[X Play General] fluffychacham:
The 720p mode makes the screen look weird in my opinion and it feels like a cheap phone to me to be honest. So I reverted back to it's original state except for the dpi, I changed it to 403.
[X Play General] Ksen96:
I wantet to install cm12.1 on my X Play but it doesn't work. Always the same error "E:Error executing updater binary in zip"

It seems i have to wait for the official 6.0 update...
[X Play General] Davirus849:
To me, it feels a lot more cheaper with constant lags.

At least with the 720 and CM, I can get actual premium performance instead of looks.
[X Play General] fluffychacham:
After disabling the LITTLE cores I wasn't getting any lags anymore while it did bring an impact on the battery while on idle. Not that big of a deal though. I can still get a whole day even with heavy use. I've never gone past 30% on my battery life thus far. :D
[X Play General] gdalbertojr:
Can you post your SOT and total time before and after disabling the little cores?
[X Play General] fluffychacham:
Sure but I can't do it right now, maybe if I have time tomorrow? I haven't used my phone that much today though and it's still sitting at 77%. I don't think it'll be accurate if I just post what I have right now. :p
[X Play General] Davirus849:
If you still experiencing self enabling CPU cores or cores that automatically disable them selfs, i found, at least on CM, that the problem is caused by the temperature setting.

There is the “Core Control” that you can disable or exchange under the Thermal settings within Kernel Auditor.

I was experiencing some annoying situations where a whole CPU (usually the big one) turn off all the cores automatically or where I was unable to turn off some cores.

Turning off “Core Control”, or changing it for “temperature throttle” fix that problem.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
So glad I didn't go through with a plan for this phone, considering the performance... bullet dodged.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
I'll trade u my play for your n6!
[X Play General] Ksen96:
I had a Nexus 6 and now i have a X Play. In my opinion the lags are not so annoying but the lags are here. The display, camera and batterylife are a lot better than on the Nexus 6 and the sound quality is not bad.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
I can tell you, it's the fastest Moto X I had, and I owned all of them (except style).

But it's not that fast OOB, it need some tweaking and messing with some stuff that will void your warranty.

So, if "any one" can do it, I'm convinced Motorola will tune this in the upcoming updates.
[X Play General] dictionary:
This phone, with a load of tweaking at it's current level, doesn't feel as smooth as my 2014. Not by a long shot. Will that change? Probably, but even with custom ROMs and kernels, the play can't compete. Scrolling in anything, like Imagine (a instagram application) or websites, the older 2014 doesn't skip a beat.

The Play is a great phone, and I know in time it'll seriously fly, but in its current guise, it is no way as smooth. That's just fact.
[X Play General] 100rabh7791:
Google app has been updated any1 noted any major change ?
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Is there any app that run slow where I could make that comparison?
[X Play General] dictionary:
Imagine (instagram app on play store) Gmail, most any browser on a demanding website, settings.

Just flick up and down super fast. The 2014 is super smooth. The Play will have very minor, but very noticeable micro lags. Back to back, the difference should be pretty obvious. The Play isn't completely choppy, but you'll see just how much more fluid the x2 is.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Lol
[X Play General] MikeMurphy:
It's still a relatively new device. Lots of time for Motorola to improve it.

In the meantime I suggest you enable forced 2d GPU rendering under developer options.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Ehm, I seriously doubt that the camera is a lot better :P

Anyway, I might buy the phone if some updates get it fixed, however I do think the problem lies with the Snapdragon 615
[X Play General] Davirus849:
If niy better, it's almost the same. I have access to q nexus 6 and I there is almost no difference.

I just like that to nexus 6 takes photos quicker.
[X Play General] Ksen96:
In my opinion the moto x play takes better photos
[X Play General] Genetixs:
Nobody buys a broken $450 phone so Motorola can improve it later.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Pretty much.

It's quite literally to cry for, somebody makes an android phone with insane battery life(stock android I mean)

Then they have to have performance issues. I wouldn't expect flagship performance but this is too much.
[X Play General] Genetixs:
Agreed. I literally can't even play Piano Tiles without seeing and feeling lag.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
And I really really wanted this phone..... oh well, hope Motorola can improve it.

I don't game on my phone so that's not the problem but still.
[X Play General] saintsimon:
Utter nonsense. There is certainly room for improvement in some departments (WiFi and Mobile network connection speed, some lag reduction) but this phone has actually no severe bugs, nothing is broken, everything works. That's why everybody talks only about lags, which even are not universal.

Other new phones appear with touchscreen issues on the market, coatings peeling off, whatnot. Nothing like this on the MXP. My faster Note 3 is plagued by various Bluetooth issues over the years (dropouts while streaming, now under Lollipop frequent connection losses), my Z Ultra likes to reboot now and then and has sometimes lags lasting seconds, not fractions of it.

The MXP is my ninth Android device in five years, I did not buy it as a (gaming) racehorse, it excells as a everyday standard task (surfing, multi mode communication, audio streaming) workhorse.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
It's about the experience no the performance.

The Nexus 4 is a much interior phone compared to this one I have tested both, but the Nexus 4 offers a smoother experience, it's just really smooth.

And the Nexus 4 it's a 2012 phone, even in launch day was cheaper than this X Play.

I'm really happy with this phone since I switched to Cyanogen and downgraded the screen to 720.

But for everyone else, the ones using the OOB experience, I can tell, they have all the rights to complain.

Motorola should fix this as soon as possible, for the price and expectation, this phone don't have to be a beast, just as smooth as a nexus 4.

Cmon, even some Moto G are smoother than this.
[X Play General] saintsimon:
I objected to the assertion that it is a "broken phone", which it is not.
[X Play General] Genetixs:
It's not nonsense to expect a better performing phone than the Nexus 4 when you pay that much for it. Stop trying to defend Motorola, if their product isn't capable of satisfying half of its users(from what I can tell on this forum, it doesn't) there's obviously a problem they need to fix. You've had plenty of different phones I see, all with defects. That doesn't mean the first one you buy without a specific defect like that makes it a good phone, you should expect better for the price you pay for those phones.
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Guys if i root my device i loses my warranty but will i get ota updates from motorola??