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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] ThC23:
Not sure if you have to finish paying off the balance or not on your N6, I would call customer care and find out.

But if they don't let you go to JOD, just get the Note 5 on Jump 1,wait a few days then return it, pay the restocking fee which will come out of your taxes you will previously pay when you get the Note 5.

Then get another Note 5 on JOD.

This way you cancel out Jump 1 completely and you start fresh with JOD.

But remember once Jump 1 is removed you can't get it back, a lot of people prefer jump 1 because you can upgrade every 6 months regardless of balance on the phone which is pretty cool also.

Good luck
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] md1008:
T-Mobile not carrying 6P is reason enough to work on paying off balance. I do love Note 5, but after using my Nexus 6 i am reminded why I love lure Google Android!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] sweets55:
I was on the 1st Jump and I guess T-Mobile is switching customers to JOD. Not sure what one is better but the employee didn't even tell me. It seems like JOD is better since you can Jump after a month and you get 3 times to do it rather then waiting 6 months and just two times with the 1st Jump. Is JOD $10 a month?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] noellenchris:
There is no charge for the JoD, unless you want insurance, then it's $8 a month. So you save sort of $2 a month. Now if you have the old Jump then you will have to pay off the remaining balance of your current device. If you trade it in, they will give you some money towards the device and if it was paid off then your looking good. Otherwise you would have to remain on the old plan and kinda be stuck like you might be now.

My son just went through this yesterday. He owed $300 and they would only give $125 for trade on S5. So I paid the $300 and we will sell the phone on Ebay. Now he grabbed the new Note 5 on the new plan. The other difference is that you would have to pay the tax on the old jump plan and the NO Tax up front on the new JoD as it is technically a Lease.

The new plan seems better because of the situation my son was in with the old Jump after 12mos and still owing $300. Now if he buys his own phone in the future he could just drop off the Note 5 and cancel the lease. (Any T-Mobile rep please correct me if I'm wrong on this part) .

Also if you don't have good credit the new JoD may not be a good deal as you may have to pay upwards of $300 down to do the lease. This is usually not as good of a deal on a lease.

If you have good credit you can walk away with out paying tax or anything.

Chris
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] m3lover1:
If your son buys his own phone, and wants to return the note 5, he will owe tmobile the amount of the lease remaining till the 18th month. For example, if he returns the note 5 after 3 months, and don't pick up another JOD phone, than he will owe tmobile the remaining 15 months of lease payment.

When you sign the JOD plan, you are committed to 18 months of lease payment. You can jump anytime, up to 3 times a year, and each time the counter resets. If you keep the same phone till the 18th month, you can either return the phone to tmobile at no more additional cost, jump to another phone and start over, or pay off the remaining phone balance at once and the phone is yours.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] noellenchris:
Thank you for explaining that part, totally makes sense now. I still feel the JoD is the best option right now. The Moto X, LG G4, One Plus, are all much cheaper phones than Samsung at the moment so the lease makes it seem much less painful. :P Hopefully the Note 6 starts to fall in line with all the other flagships and come back to earth...lol

Chris
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] m3lover1:
I agree. I usually only am interested in the premium flagship phones, and JOD so far carries those types of phones. So as long as they will offer the higher ends I'll be happy
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jorge1969:
I believe that on the original Jump you don't have to pay off balance and you can switch every 6 months. On Jump 2 you had to at least pay off about half of your phone before you could get another one. What is the requirements for Jump on demand?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jorge1969:
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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Scartaris12:
Thanks man for answering questions here on XDA. I wanted to make sure I'm fully understanding the new JOD program:

JOD is better than the original JUMP 1 right? Because of the way tax is handled along with the ability to jump every 4 months instead of 6 which means you're making less payments and beating the depreciation even faster.

So using the Note 5 for example. Normally you pay the tax up front. The device is $699.99. So it would be $61.25 in tax up front. And then monthly payments of $29.17 a month. So 6 payments + up front tax + $10 a month for JUMP is $296.25 grand total for the 6 months. Jump twice a year so your yearly total is $592.50

Using JOD you wouldn't pay up front tax. The payments are divided by 24 like usual but your going to jump after 4 months instead of 6. The tax is amortized over 24 months as well. So you'd pay 0 down + $8 a month for insurance and only $3.125 monthly for tax + $29.17 for payment. So grand total for 4 months is $161.18. Do this 3 times a year and your yearly total for leasing phones is $483..54

So by switching from JUMP 1 to JOD I'm saving $108.96 yearly.

So in my mind there is no reason to stay on JUMP 1. JUMP 2 is even worse because you have to pay down 50% of the phone's value which equals 12 months of payments + up-front tax.

Obviously the values will change depending on which phones you upgrade to. I'm also not including any of the promotions they were running on current devices because that's a one time thing and your next lease will not have those.

So if you're like me and you want to upgrade as often as possible then JOD makes sense. And even if I only want to upgrade once every 6 months then I'm basically doing it like JUMP 1, just paying less in taxes and $2 a less for insurance.

My only concerns are the following:

1. I've been told that you can't jump back to a previous device on JOD. Let's say I jump to the iPhone 6s. And then Jump to the Galaxy s7 in the spring. Then decide I don't like it and want to jump back to the 6S. I've been told you can't do that. Or you have to upgrade to a higher MB storage capacity. True?

2. Let's say you pay the extra $100 or $200 to get a 64GB or 128GB iPhone 6S or 6S+....when you go to upgrade to the iPhone 7 next fall, do you still have to pay $100 or $200 again to get the upgraded capacity? I've been told that NO, you don't. HOWEVER if you switch from a 64GB iPhone and then want to switch manufacturers and get an upgraded GB Galaxy in the spring...you'd have to pay the upgrade fee over again. True?

3. At the end of the lease period on JOD, if you pay off the device and all the fees....can you get carrier unlock code?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] shook187:
I like to know the answer to this?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] md1008:
No doubt upgrading phones multiple times a year is awesome, I do worry where all the phones end up. The problem is both in manufacturing or disposing. When you trade in your old phone it probably gets sold as refurbished or used as parts to fix other phones. When you sign up for a new phone they want any PoS phone that turns on for a slight discount. Where does a $20 boost phone go when T-Mobile has no purpose for. Or 6+ year old phone go? Ewaste is a big problem in the world, and places like China, India and countries in Africa feel the brunt of it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] hawkstwelve:
For those wondering if you can Jump to a device, which you then decide you don't want, and Jump back to your other device without charging one of your 3 per year Jump's, you definitely can as long as you are willing to pay $50. I didn't know of this rule until after the fact. Joined JOD by Jumping to an S6E, didn't like it so I returned it within 14 days, and got the Note 4 charged as one of my 3 Jumps. Thought it was odd I didn't have to pay the $50 restocking fee but whatever. Come to find out if you want to keep one of those 3 Jumps, you just have to pay the restocking fee and it will be counted as a return instead of a Jump. Once the return is processed, you can go back to your other phone and have saved a Jump. :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] sweets55:
I think T-Mobile should keep your phone that your Jumping from for 14 days in case you Jumped and don't like the new phone. Obviously would probably have to be done at a store. I Jumped to a iPhone 6S because I never tried one. I made a mistake getting the regular one but the Plus is on back order for probably a month. I returned and got a Note 5. I had the Note 4 and then S6 Edge. The Note 5 isn't that much different so that's another reason why I chose the iPhone. Now I kind of miss my S6 Edge. Oh well the Note 5 is nice.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] th3b055:
You do not have the original Jump. You have Jump 2.0 where you have to pay 50% of your phone to upgrade. The original Jump 1.0 you can upgrade twice a year without any balance requirements; originally you had to of place a deposit on your phone if I remember correctly.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LaRosa217:
Yeah, I know. I misspoke but didn't bother going back to fix it. :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Toneman07:
The Re-manufactured phones or certified pre-owned phones sold by T-Mobile are phones that have been returned within the 2 week window and the customer decided they didn't want it.

All other phones TMOBILE sells to Assurant - their third party insurance company. The phones are then used for parts to rebuild phones that they use for insurance replacements.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] bhagiratha:
I am thinking of moving over to straight talk with my Note 5, reason being that I recently loss my job and that jump on demand bill is really over my budget.

I would like to know if I would be able to use the Note 5 on straight talk.

I called t-moblie and they will not permanently unlock the phone for me.

If I cancel the service, would I have to pay the balance of on the phone in full or can I transfer the balance to a credit card?

Any suggestions and advice is appreciated.

Thanks guys!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] YrrchSebor:
You can certainly pay the balance off with a credit card, if that's what you mean. Then your JUMP payments will be gone and maybe then you could just stay with Tmobile? Or you could ask Tmo if they'd unlock the phone once you owned it outright. Worst case a service will unlock it for somewhere around $25-30 I believe.

Edit: for unlocking you can also check here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=62735162
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] bhagiratha:
I transferred the EIP to a CC and soon after I used the unlocked tmobile app and the device was unlocked instantly.

Thanks for your feedback.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Upstreammiami:
The new Jump program is bad ..I still have the old jump program .
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] JE_25:
How is it bad?

sent using my Galaxy Note 5 via The Uncarrier

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1. You can but it counts as one of your upgrades. You can jump the the same phone if you really want to. My sister went from the note 5 to the 6s+ back to the note 5.

2. As of right now, I would assume yes, you would have to pay. But with all the deals tmobile did this year, we'll have to wait and see. For the iPhone there has been no clarification or consistent answer from anyone. If you switch phone brands, then yes you have to pay a down-payment if you get the higher memory size.

3. Yes. As long as you've used the phone on T-Mobiles network for 40 days and have it paid off, then you can request it to be unlocked.

sent using my Galaxy Note 5 via The Uncarrier

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I like the idea bit that would cost them a lot of money. Just think of all the money they would lose having to hold onto the traded in phones and all returned phones, that they can no longer sell as new. Not only that the phones they are in high demand and short supply, like the iPhone would go to waste with all the returns, that can no longer be sold. Once again I like the idea and it would be cool.

sent using my Galaxy Note 5 via The Uncarrier
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Toneman07:
So I ran into my first issue with Jump on Demand today. My plan currently has 15 lines total - 5 devices - 10 phones.

Between these devices, I have most of them on an EIP or Lease plan.

Based on my account - I had $1000 open (Line of Credit - Lease - EIP = Available Balance) - However, this is not the case.

Three of my leased phones are 2 note 5's and 1 g4. Lease cost for the note 5 is about $600 versus the retail cost of $750.00

The $150 that is not accounted for still goes against your "available credit" even though it does not show up anywhere.

I found this out today at the store. Customer Service extended my EIP beyond the max to allow me to purchase my upgrade - still kind of annoying though. It even confused the in store rep.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] farfromovin:
For crackheads like me, JOD is great. I always used to purchase outright then sell a year later and buy whatever else came along. Well, I lose more in depreciation and spend more on cases and screen protectors to keep the phone mint than JOD costs me.

And for those that keep their phones for 2 or 3 years, it's an interest free loan. I don't see many strings attached here.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GMAN1722:
:good: It's amazing how many people can't comprehend the simplicity of your statement and how JOD can work for you. I understand that there are scenarios that people have where they prefer not to use JOD (i.e. they have no problem reselling the phone - which I personally cannot be bothered with). But to say that they don't like JOD because it costs more or that you are somehow getting ripped off is ridiculous.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] arsenalfan001:
Guys, I have a query on JOD program. I am planning to get a Note 5 on JOD. I am on a family plan and primary a/c holder does not have a good enough rating. So, I will have to pay some amount upfront.

Now, let's do the maths.

I will pay USD 210 upfront. Then its USD 18.42 a month. After 10 months, I have paid 210 + 184 = 394.

For a well qualified customer, after 10 months, total amount would be USD 300 roughly (~29.99 / month)

So, I have paid ~USD 95 extra over a period of 10 months.

Now I would like to upgrade. In that case, for a new phone, how will JOD work? Will a get a USD 95 credit to my a/c or that's something I have to pay to t-mobile as the credit rating is low.

If anyone can clarify, it will be helpful.

Thanks in advance
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] bhagiratha:
I left t-mobile and went over to Straight Talk. Jump on demand become way to expensive after loosing my job.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] flamingblue8z:
There is no "credit" toward your purchase. Here's the easy breakdown, again. The Note 5 is 700, and at the end of your 18 month lease is a "residual" amount, which is a set amount regardless of credit class. For each phone it's different, but for the Note 5 I believe it's 180-190. Take that amount, subtract it from the full cost, and the remainder is the amount paid during your 18 month lease. When you have a down payment like $210, then you subtract that from the 18 month amount. Whatever is left, divide by 18. That's your monthly payment. There's no hidden fees. No "paying more" than what the sticker price is on the phone. The only other amount rolled into your lease is the sales tax that is spread out over the 18 monthly lease payments. In my example, 7% is our sales tax here, so that's $49, which then is divided up and added to your 18 monthly lease payments. However, if you have a down payment, like that $210, you pay the sales tax on THAT amount up front.

As for what happens when you jump to a new phone, depending on the account's credit class and tenure (<3 years or some late payments in a 12 month time span during those 3 years), you WILL pay another down payment on the phone. It has nothing to do with what you pay up front. That money is just for securing that you are going to pay on the bill monthly. It's really not that hard, I try to explain this every day to the boneheaded customers I deal with. We have an abundance of sub-prime, 50%+ down payment credit class customers at my location, and they all don't understand that if they just would have paid their bills, their credit situation wouldn't be where it is. And they somehow try to make it out where we are cheating them out when in reality they're cheating themselves out by not realizing that an expensive phone doesn't walk out without having been secured financially in some way.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] arsenalfan001:
Thanks for the response. While i know how it works if I keep the phone for 18 months, I wanted to understand what happens when I switch to another eligible phone.

And while I understand your frustration, I don't think calling your customers names because they want to clarify certain stuff before investing their hard earned money, is justified. Just my pov, no offense meant.

Thanks again for the explanation.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GMAN1722:
Yea, "boneheaded" was kind of harsh - no matter how true it may be LOL. But I really appreciate how you explain how this works in a simple easy to understand manner (thus I can understand your use of the term bonehead). I'm not referring to those that aren't clear on how it works (or have questions). I'm referring to those that insist that JOD is costing you more or that you are getting ripped off mainly because they don't have a use for it or it's just their personal preference not to do it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] farfromovin:
I don't think it was harsh. All you can do is try to educate the customers. IMO, T-Mobile has the greatest plans and options with the least hidden fees. I hate it when I hear people talking crap about paying so much for phones. I always tell them, look it's an $800 gadget you have to pay for it one way or another. They aren't free lol.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GMAN1722:
I agree with you 100% I try to explain to people that got their phones under a contract- especially those that don't change their phones after two years (which really is the majority of people)- that they are continuing to pay for their phone and in effect are paying more for their phone as opposed to if they got their phone via t-mobile. People continue to be seduced by the subsidized price and think that they are actually getting the phone for the subsidized price. My wife and I just upgraded from the note 2 and thouroughly enjoyed having the price of the phone no longer being on my bill. as opposed to those that i know that haven't upgraded during the same time frame and not seeing any difference in their bill (and as I said earlier in my experience it is the majority of the people - as those of us on xda or other forums are in the minority)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GMAN1722:
Do you know if I use one of my jumps from the 32gb note 5 to the S6 plus would I be able to jump back to the 32gb note 5 in a month or two?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
You can do it the very next day, if you so decided. T-Mobile only requires you to wait 1 day between jumps, up to 3 per year.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GMAN1722:
Thanks. I was just wondering if it would be a problem going back to the same phone because I know that I couldn't directly jump from a black 32gb note 5 to a gold 32gb note 5 for example.

P.S. the reason I am considering doing this is to take advantage of the costco rebate (if I can in fact do jump on demand via costco - I know that you can do the regular jump there as I just did it for my daughter). Then also I can get the samsung gifts via samsung galaxy promotions. Plus $50 rebate for activating samsung pay.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
According to T-Mobile's site, JOD is available at all participating stores. Give your local Costco a call and see if they participate.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] vinnyjr:
Read and understand before you sign anything. T-Mobile isn't cheating anyone, it's a basic contract, I happen to have JOD, great idea for the nuts who enjoy upgrading every few months. Some people complain about anything and everything, always looking for something for nothing. T-Mobile IMO is easily the best Carrier in the Country. Thank You T-Mobile, Thank You John Legere.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] eduardmc:
Anyone know if jod renew the day u use your first jump (one year cycle) or when u do you last jump. I have actually use all my juml in 6 month. Stupid but thats how u learn.. first jump black note 5.... second jump iphone 6s (wanted tl try something different) third jump note 5 gold.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] tkacer:
Cycle begins the day you sign on the pgm
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Wrightperspective:
I went in to a T-Mo store yesterday and used my JOD to get the S7 Edge. I was told by two associates at two stores that the JOD program is going to be phased out because T-Mo is losing too much money on it and due to all of the different leasing laws in different states. This must be why they are doing more BOGO offers and why I haven't seen any advertisements for JOD recently.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] flamingblue8z:
While I can't confirm the reasons, and there has been *NO* official communications to employees like myself, indeed we are shifting focus away from JOD and back to EIP. There were a ton of technical limitations to JOD cuz you couldn't transfer leases from BAN to BAN (lingo for account), such as a change of responsibility. Also additional down payments couldn't be made to lower monthly payments, nor could you make additional payments on a lease, only pay it off and terminate the lease. So, with that in mind, EIP is the place to be, yet again. Though I must say that JOD helped my sales to lesser-qualified customers, because typically down payments on leases were smaller than EIP down payments (due to the residual at the end, I'm certain). Obviously the program will still be in place for those on leases. But at some point I expect to see a way to go back to EIP with less headache than the current work around (see store associates for details if you want to get out of your lease and move to EIP on your next phone).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Jammol:
So in other words everyone that left carriers to get uncarriered at tmobile just for the adaboy?! "Hey ditch your carrier.....so that we can be your carrier....in the not so distant future that is."

Plan worked
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] flamingblue8z:
Not true, we still have many other benefits like BingeOn, Music Freedom, free international roaming, and plenty other reasons to be confident in choosing T-Mobile as a carrier. JUMP is just the focus again, since EIP has so much flexibility for customers and T-Mobile. Upgrade when the phone is halfway paid off, or for grandfathered customers, after 6 months.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Jammol:
I don't use any of those but I do like the fact that you guys have the fastest network and good customer service, whenever my wife and I call in that is. I really want to stay with tmobile but Project Fi is looking better everyday.

I do have a question that hopefully you can give some insight to.

Project Fi uses T-Mobile towers as we all know. It's unclear though, whether it's ALL T-Mobile towers or just the prepaid ones? Can house give me some insight on that?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
Fi uses T-Mobile and Sprint towers, depending which is strongest in your area, along with trusted public WiFi hotspots. If an open WiFi connection is used, the phone fires up a VPN to secure your phone. I gave Fi a test run for a few months when it first came out and I still had my Nexus 6. Although T-Mobile is very strong in my area, it seemed to prefer Sprint towers.