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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Ducter:
Android has full blown encryption if you choose to use it, knox, the way samsung implemented it is self serving. I am not arguing the existence of knox, and pay not working while it's tripped but the fact that once tripped, always tripped. They had basically the same secure features when it was software as they do now, only the user now doesn't have the ability to completely return the phone to stock. As for warranty exchanges, most will agree, a legitimate hardware issue and the phone is replaced anyways, I've done it several times with tmobile and never had it be an issue. You have the people that will screw something up then expect a replacement but I would argue that amount is miniscule, the percentage of people that unlock the bootloaders vs those that don't is probably in the single to low double digits, further break that down with users that misuse warranty and you have such a small amount it's probably within a margin of error.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Billybob350:
Reversing Root

Once your phone is modified(rooted or whatever) can the modification be reversed? Once your phone is back to stock why doesn't knox reverse? Isn't this what Samsung wants-stock phones?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
You can't compare Apple Pay to Samsung Pay. MST is not a minor difference, it's a major one. Apple Pay = Android Pay, all day long.

Plus how can you say Apple doesn't block Apple Pay in the same way? The only way to "open" iOS is by jailbreaking, which relies on an exploit, and in turn is something Apple hasn't yet discovered or fixed. We don't need an exploit to "open" Android, but we do voluntarily choose to trip Knox and in turn lose Samsung Pay if we want root.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] neotrin2000:
Whoa Whoa Whoa....You say you used Samsung Pay on a ROOTED N5???? Prey tell how one goes about doing this??
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
I had an older version of hyper drive I flashed stock via Odin afterwards then I flashed my kernel again rooted stock android pay and Samsung pay it was RL3 I believe and I flashed j5 over it

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It was only discovered after a brick
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] danon.brown:
How did you even setup samsung pay with Knox tripped?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
I have no clue, it was a few months ago I was mainly trying to focus on an NFC hack so I paid no mind to be honest I had no idea knox controlled Samsung pay until I stumbled upon this threat and realized I had a freak accident. When I bricked my device I said screw this and when to stock. The variables were a little weird and I don't know how to recreate them
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] danon.brown:
If you could recreate making it work whilst rooted the community would be grateful.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
I can try on my next set of days off it will be a little inconvenient. I'm sure I still have the file somewhere I'm sure it'll need to be either hyper drive rl3 or darks talker, an older version
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
Still no fix for Samsung pay?:(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Lancerz:
Well I think I'm over the whole Sasmung Pay thing now, I've gotten all the promotions they allowed me to and now I think it's time to ROOT!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
I have four days off Friday I'm going to recreate the entire incident if I can. If not I have a few ideas to make it work. At least I know for a 100% fact I can get android pay working on root
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] whymoo:
It's great to know that someone is finnaly working on Samsung Pay. Good luck.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] whymoo:
Looks like this guy was able to get Samsung Pay to work with root can somebody test his method?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64758413&postcount=55
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
Triangle away downstairs work on my device
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] farfromovin:
Rooted on stock ROM or third party? All you used was triangle away, no xposed modules?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
too good to be true. No proof? sounds like its fake to me.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
Not to me, the reason I say that is because certain elements are required and it seems. Like those variables are similar, he said he was using darkstalker if I recall correctly as was I, I did flash stock over it. But similar at least I'll post more Friday morning, unless someone has an older version of darkstalker as well, and has time to install it get exposed everything installed and then flash stock thru Odin so it upgrades essentially and not formatting everything. Then you'll need to flash the kernel I believe I was using sky high again an older version at the time. I do believe I upgraded to ardor97 a few days later I'm not sure if I was using that when I accomplished it. Assuming you already have xposed installed busy box and everything I would then follow his guide and see if that works. Or you can just try his. I will definitely try again Friday if you guys don't have time. And I'm sorry oh I did this later I'm using voice typing
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
sounds good, thank you guys for the hard work.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
I was wondering, when I saw the Samsung Pay app under the application manager app. I saw that there is a setting that check to see if the phone has been modified. I am not a programmer but in my college programming class we modified a lot of applications. Could that be the problem? I bet it would be hard to modify that Samsung Pay .
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] shupey:
I'm willing to pay a $100 bounty for working Samsung Pay on my Note 5 with tripped Knox.

Perhaps we would be able to create a bigger bounty with more people.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
Ill throw in $25
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] shupey:
Lets make this official. Where is the proper place to start this bounty?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
So, all in all, you are saying that you can make Samsung Pay work on a rooted device?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jen25:
Yeah but at your risk!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
No she is trolling a thread....she offers no explanation to why samsung does not allow a non_rooted secured kernel knox tripped device to use samsung pay. She is implying that because knox is tripped your device is not secure....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jen25:
Do you doubt my skills sir?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
Not real. no proof!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Exactly....and no person in IT security would do this. It would be the end of their career and reputation.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jen25:
That's why the major part has not been explained sir.

You just read the superficial way of proceedings. And I've full right to explain such things.

Thank you!

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Im helping someone by the way.

He's on twitter.

I've been explaining everything after he signed a virtual contract.

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Inbox me .

I'll tell you why.

I've got no personal interest to post this things.

But still people criticize.

If you want I'll stop posting
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] danon.brown:
Did anyone get this working?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] zadane:
Sounds like trolling to me.

So how much you gunna charge people to tell them to you have no idea what you are doing.

If you want to be taken seriously you have to provide actual evidence that you can do what you are claiming.

Watch I can do it too.

Give me $50 and I'll make your note 5 fly. Literally fly like sprout wings and everything. Just gotta sign a contract so I'm not blamed if you take down a commercial plane.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Compusmurf:
I doubt you are whom you claim. According to a quick google search, you're "just a teenager begging for a ps4"
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jen25:
There is something called privacy and anonymity.

I have to respected this.

You can't find my true identity on Google. And nowhere else.

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Instead of talking lots of crap. Why don't you ask me to help you.

Stupid sir. I'm helping for free.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] shupey:
If you are who you say you are why do you ignore my messages?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Yes he is. Unfortunately the likelihood of using samsung pay on a knox tripped device is slim to none. Even if an exploit was discovered samsung would patch and render it useless in less than 24 hours.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] zadane:
... okay, so I'm supposed to believe that some teenager who is begging for a free ps4 works for Amazon and samsung...

If you want to try and prove that you aren't just blatantly lying to everyone here then provide some proof. And no, not a video. Release your work and let the community see that you aren't just some stupid kid.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jen25:
Can't you understand?. Ever heard of fake profiles. My real identity is not known online.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Compusmurf:
#1 Most companies I know and have worked for in the IT field have a NO COMPETE clause in their contract. Ex. you claim to work for Amazon and Samsung at the same time. This would be a direct violation of said clause.

#2 You're VERY new here and therefore NOT trusted, then come on making claims of which you have no way of backing up.

#3 Fake profiles or not, if you're on the internet, real info always gets leaked one way or another, nobody is "that perfect" to suppress all their info out there without pulling the plug and going off grid full time.

Multiple times folks have asked for ANY kind of proof that you can either do what you claim or are who you say you are and yet you have not supplied 1 shred of evidence to support your case.

Therefore, you are 99% certain to NOT be whom you claim, which in turn makes you a TROLL.

Provide proof, I'll retract my statements and apologize, otherwise, go back under your bridge because we don't appreciate TROLLs in this area.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jen25:
I'm veteran here. Lol you gonna teach me. Lol.

I just recreate new profiles
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] neotrin2000:
Hello, I'd like to know how to root and still use Samsung pay.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Still no proof. At least point us in the right direction wise one.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] cfriendr:
Then they should've done what Apple does and store it in a non-accessible hardware chip.

Also Samsung didn't develop tokenization, and also that's not how tokenization works.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] tommason1968:
And I create new personalities daily
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] danon.brown:
Not completely sure who Jen25 is. I did try and work with this user via Twitter after they claimed this works. They tried to steer me to using triangle away method which someone posted earlier. That method does not work. I'm unsure if Jen25 will be back but i wouldn't waste anymore time until some kind of proof is presented. If someone is working on this or needs a tester please reach out to me i would be happy to test. I have a couple note 5 rooted and stock to play with..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Your being trolled. Samsung pay checks knox on their end. You can't really work around it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] shupey:
Why wouldn't an Xposed module be able to send a faulty signal about knox not being tripped?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
Or a way to modify the app so it would not check for root? Maybe disabling the setting or module that checks for the tripped Knox
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] zadane:
I just want android pay working... screw samsung pay at this point
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] 10-K:
Does anybody seriously care? It's a gimmick. Just root. We have the only cool rootable cell out at the moment. I'll use cash or cards thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
Got strep throat really bad and had some drama, life's been tough I'll get to the plan Tomorrow it might take. A few days to get the variables correct
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Your can't modify the apk. If you do the apk simply won't work as it will fail the security check on samsungs(at least I suspect). Remember you are adding a card and then it is masked by tokenization. You need a secure Internet connection to us so in essence a new token is created every time you pay on samsungs end. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's going to require finding exploit that could ultimately be patched. Remember samsung requires the most up to date apk to use samsung pay...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Ducter:
I had held off with flashing anything on this phone, then reality struck. I haven't used Samsung pay anyways so what am I really waiting for? A few minutes with Odin and now it's done. I'll use the features that root provides me every time I use my phone, Samsung pay? Haven't used it yet so that decided it for me. Sure I might take a hit on resale, honestly tho, I had to finance this one and it'll be mine for a while to come. Figure by the time I can sell it, won't much matter anyways.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
No hope is lost, I know someone will find a fix.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Hope is lost. You need an exploit not a fix.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] bonebeatz1234:
Future reference if your not going to help or tell people how to get samsung pay working for rooted phones do us all a favor and just stfu.If there was a way i wouldn't tell people unless I'm sharing. I don't know why people want attention or want people to beg them i don't get it. I hope we all can act like adults . Best thing we can hope for is when marshmallow update come it will atleast allow us to use it again. Worst case use android pay and go stock
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] GOIGIG:
Don't give up to easy I have strep throat and I haven't been paid... A fix is what we need not an exploit. If I managed to get it working it's possible. Although a sampay did just update, I'm hoping I can still recreate the issue sometime in the future. I promise if I wasn't deathly sick I'd be working harder
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
You need an exploit possibly one that will mask knox being tripped.... or how to untrip knox
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] boricua6:
no work for me
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] fozzy501:
Yea, hope is lost
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] marcdman4000:
yeah, i thought i would be using S PAY a lot more than i am. i think ill just go ahead and root the new phone i got. its hard for me though to have an option like that taken from me. I forget my wallet a lot of the time and it comes in handy from time to time.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] whymoo:
Untiring Knox is impossible it's a fuse. Modding the apk is impossible because it will verify the signature. Probably the only hope is for something resembling a proxy that will intercept the check for Knox and report untriped. But I don't know what I'm talking about.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
Won't work I tried. There are multiple layers of system checks in place. Knox is nearly impossible to get around because it's not on the system level.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] whymoo:
Would it be possible to intercept the signature of the apk and replace it with the signature of a modded apk? Would it be possible to make a 3rd party app that will just emulate any card on the mst without samsung pay?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Dstu10:
MST is loopay which to my understanding is owned by smasung. While it's possible to create an app that works it would definitely get you sued and would require a lot of work and then you would have to get approval from credit card servicers. I believe the best angle may be to untrip knox somehow some way but they may also be a dead end
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] whymoo:
I don't think you would need to get approval from credit cards if you made it work like Google wallet used to, just send the original card number and security code instead of creating a temporary card. Some people would like it even more than samsung pay because it would support all cards. And I don't think that this method would cause any lawsuits because your just using a piece of hardware that was included on a phone you owe.

Edit: oh you mean that samsung owes the patent on making mst payments with your phone, I think if the 3rd party app was free than it could go under fair use since all users would have technicly already payed samsung for mst by buying their phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] funkeywoookey:
I know it isn't SamPay, but they got Android Pay working on the Nexus 5
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] draztikrhymez:
I rooted but then decided I wanted Samsung Pay still. However, after flashing stock firmware in Odin Samsung Pay still won't work and states that I have modified my device. Any ideas about that?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] danon.brown:
Accept that you won't be able to use samsung pay. Knox is now tripped thus it won't work.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] chong67:
I have not see any Samsung Pay or Google Pay thing at any merchant. Nobody is going to use it. Use a credit or debit card.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] gforceriders:
You won't see a Samsung pay terminal because Samsung pay works pretty much everywhere that has a normal card terminal.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] xxxxmarkxxx:
I use Samsung pay daily I've never found a merchant that won't take it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] DangerousDave:
There is no such thing as a Samsung pay terminal. You can use Samsung pay anywhere you can swipe a credit card. I use Samsung pay all the time. Many stores are getting NFC terminal now and you can use Google pay there as well. Walgreens is a store that comes to mind that has NFC.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
I ended up unlocking my phone and sacrificing Samsung Pay. It should work everywhere you can swipe, but after the first 2-3 months, it became more of a headache than it was worth. I'm not sure if Bank of America was responsible or not, but I was suddenly being forced to use my PIN (debit) to complete purchases. Although the card number is not sent through, being forced to use my real PIN is just as risky. If I used the terminal option for Credit instead of Debit, it failed every time. And this was the case for for everywhere that accepted Debit. I could use it at my friend's shop without issue because he didn't accept debit.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] ingenious247:
That was true for me too at first, but I have been using it nearly everyday and have not had that issue for at least a month or two. Whatever the issue was, it seems to be resolved.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
I'll give it another go with then S7 Edge.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] DangerousDave:
That's odd & perhaps as you say something with Bank of America. I have used American Express from the beginning and Chase when they joined and never had an issue with either using Samsung Pay.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
AMEX was no problem for me as well. We're you using a Chase debit card? I only had the issue with debit/credit cards.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] chong67:
My phone is naked. I have the Note 4 and its naked too and never dropped for a year. Using this pay thing on the phone means more drop accident might happen. I will use my credit card.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Meanee:
A number of places cannot work with Samsung Pay.

- Gas stations. They simply can't use tokenized cards. They pre-authorize before turning on the pump. And do full authorization after pump is turned off. And they can't reuse the card.

- Restaurant terminals. Especially ones using Aloha POS (2nd largest vendor after Micros). Aloha adds % before card swipe and & after card swipe. That signals the software that card was swiped, and not just a keyboard input. They use secure card readers now, but the prefix/suffix is a carryover from good old days when card readers were keyboard-based. So, when you "swipe" Samsung Pay, prefix and suffix are not added by reader. Result is that cashier will see card number, but attempt to process, you will get "Invalid Prefix" message. I've seen this behavior in other restaurants and cafes, using system other than Aloha.

But even with all this, Samsung Pay is awesome. Nothing beats the look on CVS cashier's face, after he repeatedly tells you that it won't work, when this thing actually works.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jaynpt:
I have a factory unlocked note 5 that has never been rooted . is there a way I can get Samsung pay to work on it?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
Depends on what you mean by unlocked. If you mean SIM unlocked to work on any carrier, then you're fine. But if the bootloader is unlocked AND has been flashed with custom recovery or kernel, then Knox is tripped and Samsung Pay won't work.

Another restriction is your country. Samsung Pay isn't available in a lot of countries currently.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] jaynpt:
yes it is SIM unlocked and I am in the USA. Samsung pay does not show up in the goggle play store. looks like I need to find a working apk
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Hgneto:
Isn't it possible to have a new samsung phone with root and have samsung pay? Something like the systemless root.. I want to use Samsung pay but I also want to use some apps that require root access and I hear about that systemless root...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] NotATreoFan:
No it is not possible. Systemless root still requires a custom recovery to flash, and as soon as you flash TWRP, Knox is tripped.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] kurtph1969:
I think the whole issue with Samsung Pay is that you should be able to go back and unroot your phone if you want to use Samsung Pay. Why do Samung need to make it so once you root then Knox is tripped forever? Why can't Knox simply work again if you unroot? I'm not that knowledge about the security aspects of Knox so I'm sure there's a valid reason...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] SomeGuyInOz:
I'm glad I found this thread. I had been thinking about getting a Samsung phone because of Samsung Pay, but if it means I can't root the phone them I'm out. Bummer.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] rastlin:
Wow that sucks, I thought it would be possible after you reroot your device but I guess I am wrong...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Outbreak444:
If it were possible to flash to stock thus resetting the Knox counter back to 0x0, then that poses an easier exploit that I'm almost certain would have been found by now. That's why once it's tripped, it won't go back. Samsung really thought that one through.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] DSX2:
Yup this. Last i heard on the topic (which was a couple of months ago now) is that they reckon knox is an e-fuse, and is physically tripped when you install cfw
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LumberjackZac:
I remember someone trying to trip the knox counter so many times it went back to 0. Few years ago. I think it went as high as 54,000
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Sakuryu:
On the S7 Edge the Knox Counter stays 0x0 but we still can't use Samsung pay. But ODIN'ing back to stock gives it right back.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] MrElectrifyer:
[MENTION=4513240]Sakuryu[/MENTION] So you're saying flashing back to stock will bring back Samsung Pay support on the S7?

Anyone know of this also applies to the Note 7?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Sakuryu:
That's exactly what I'm saying. Flashing back to stock returns Samsung Pay.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] grim489:
it applies to the US Carrier note 7, s7, and s7 edge. the locked bootloader phones.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] tibaland:
I had a Galaxy S6.

Used from a long time so many custom roms, and now i back to stock rom... but when i try use samsung pay say my system still modified but now he is unrooted and with a stock rom.