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[ZenFone 2 General] GotsOJ:
Damn, what if Asus hasn't released 5.1.1 because they're focusing on Android M?

A man can dream
[ZenFone 2 General] jason4962:
Middle column are planned. Zenfone 2 are iin there. Third column are not available for upgrade
[ZenFone 2 General] threi_:
while it would be nice that they seem to have android M down the pipeline for the zenfone 2, its also kinda worrying that the zenfone 5 wouldn't, and its only a little over a year old. That is not a very long term of support for the phone.
[ZenFone 2 General] HT___:
2nd column can upgrade

3rd column cannot confirm
[ZenFone 2 General] thezibrail:
lets hope for the best
[ZenFone 2 General] wilburblin:
To be exact, the middle column is indeed listing devices confirmed for Android M update. The right column, however, means devices not (yet) confirmed instead of confirmed not. It can be an easily overlooked grammar mistake though.
[ZenFone 2 General] thedisturbedone:
I very highly doubt they could / would do that. 5.1 is a very important iteration. These *****es are still lagging on the update. Excuse the profanity.
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
First column is smartphone brand name, second column reads will be upgraded and third column is not confirmed upgrade. I had my wife read it since she is a native Chinese speaker/reader
[ZenFone 2 General] mattdef:
I hope it will coming very soon !
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
No official word from HQ yet

Hi everyone!

I know you're eagerly awaiting an update to 5.1, but right now there hasn't been any official word from HQ regarding the progress of their testing and release date. I seriously appreciate everyone's patience, and I'll try to update you guys as soon as I can. :good:
[ZenFone 2 General] AL_IRAQI:
Hi Buddy

Thanks and keep us posted :)
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
Will do. :)
[ZenFone 2 General] gipikay:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think HQ is more concerned about releasing new variants than supporting their phones, as typical asian business mentality: if successful, iterate, iterate, iterate til nobody remembers what they where doing in the first place.

And I would be less worried if those variations had all the same HW so it could be easily upgradeable in the future... but nope:

Asus Zenfone Selfie (ZD551KL):	Qualcomm Snapdragon 615 (1.5 GHz + 1 GHz, octa-core)

Asus Zefone 2 (ZE551ML):	Intel Atom Z3580 (2.3 GHz, quad-core) - Intel Atom Z3560 (1.8 GHz, quad-core)

Asus Zenfone 2 (ZE550ML):	Intel Atom Z3560 (1.8 GHz, quad-core)

Asus Zenfone 2 Laser (ZE550KL):	Qualcomm Snapdragon 410 / 615 (dual / octa-core)

Asus Zenfone 2 (ZE500CL): Intel Atom Z2560 (1.6 GHz, dual-core)

Asus Zenfone 2 Laser (ZE500KL / ZE500KG):	Snapdragon 410 (1.2 GHz, quad-core)

And next Zenfone 2 Max...
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
From a consumer and passionate smartphone fan's perspective, I completely understand your concern, and hope that we will continue to support these devices. As an ASUS employee, I unfortunately can't comment on HQ's business plans and why they feel the variants are being produced except for that we probably won't carry every model in the US. I know it's not the answer you might be looking for, and I wish I could provide more info.
[ZenFone 2 General] fenixx1:
The problem here is, my dear ASUS employee, that, like the other folk said, asian companies only care for profit from sales. They sale an item, then forget about it. They, (you), dont care about customer experience, nor ethics. You only care for sale, the consumers, on the big mayority, are plan and simple dumb consumers, they don't know the real value of their money, expended on items.

ASUS is an irresponsible and anti-ethical company, who laughs in the face of the consumers. they only espect you to go and buy the next iteration. this will be my first and last buy of any ASUS product.
[ZenFone 2 General] GrandpaaOvekill:
this is my first asus device...I m impressed with the device hardware specs but the one thing that ticks me off is that u guys have still notreleased android 5.1.1 or 5.0.x version updates fr our device....this is the time when I think I shd have waited and gotten moto g3 bcoz Motorola is super quick with its updates and has plenty of developer support too..i was never gonna root this device but various problems wit memory and battery issues forced me to install cm 12.1...see the thing is no matter how good ur hardware specs are ..if u don't give a software update frequently ..its all a waste....I have pretty much given up any hope on receiving official android m upgrade fr this phone..so I guess ill have to wait fr cm13 since its gonna come quicker, and if the software updates are gonna be this slow in future as well...this might be the last asus smartphone I m ever gonna get..so please keep ur users updated about ur plans so atlest we know u people haven't forgotten about ur older devices...To end it all up...this is probably my last asus device [MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION]....I liked the hardware but without software update its all probably crap
[ZenFone 2 General] ansebovi:
Ya same here, at first I recommended this to all but now I regret about their os update
[ZenFone 2 General] threi_:
The grass is not greener on the other side.
[ZenFone 2 General] Kambz1994:
It says tablets,this is not a tablet...
[ZenFone 2 General] Rappala:
Asus Khang said lot of times that we don't have an official announce for Android M. It's the same that someone says in the photo, but I think it's easier to take a screenshot than reading a post.
[ZenFone 2 General] :
is there a tablet that made by asus call zenfone ?

or you have a reading problem ?

well he said a lots of thing - no official announce or is it a fancy way of saying we won't get M

do you even understand my comment ?

someone on the internet made an account on xda claim that he is a rep from asus and you believe everything he said ? wow how naive.
[ZenFone 2 General] Rappala:
Wow you seem really cool being so cynical
[ZenFone 2 General] :
i read his post

but what if he said that we will not receive M

and you believe him not without a doubt and you go on and tell other ?

i just want to be sure what i was gonna tell other
[ZenFone 2 General] Rappala:
The point is that nobody said yes or not so being totally optimistic (or pessimistic and negative) about getting M is a personal belief. I believe that we will get 6.0, whenever, but not because a personal way of being, because they upgraded Zenfone 5 from Kit Kat to Lollipop. Anyway, having the devs like we have for Zenfone2, this should be an irrelevant thing. And if we wouldn't have so many devs, I think having 6.0 isn't relevant too. So you can't say with certainty someone if Marshmallow is/isn't coming officially from Asus to Zenfone 2 (I found this more exciting than having a date marked on your calendar). This thing seems turn people very aggressive and susceptible. I come from a THL W200s, a Chinese mobile that wasn't upgraded even once, so for me Zenfone is great. If you come, for example, from a Moto G or Nexus, I can understand you were frustrated, but never I could understand you were angry.

Sorry for the long post, here I should give a potato's photo.
[ZenFone 2 General] :
is that a mock? r you trying to be smart ? act like above other ?

and i gues ur point is that m will come and u dont care if is slow ?
[ZenFone 2 General] Rappala:
It's a typical thing of 9gag, don't get it wrong
[ZenFone 2 General] :
i sent a photo cause xda news is reliable not khang
[ZenFone 2 General] Rappala:
I wasn't talking about YOUR photo, when someone posts a long post, ends with a photo of a potato and says "sorry for the long post, here's a potato". Google it if you don't believe.
[ZenFone 2 General] troy5890:
Let's all just calm down before the moderators come in here again. It wouldn't be the first time
[ZenFone 2 General] ImjuzCY:
If you check Khang's xda profile, you can know he is VERIFIED ASUS REP. You check your own profile there isn't a VERIFIED status for you. If you believe xda news so much why don't you believe xda forum stating that he is a VERIFIED Asus rep?

And how does "no official announcement" translate to "no M for you" ? As stated in a post somewhere in the previous PAGES (not by Khang, if you doubt Khang's news), the Zenfone 5 is updated to Lollipop without any "official announcement". So no "official announcement" doesn't mean "no M for you" or "ABANDON SHIP"
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
I like the way you composed your reply Bro... It's juzCY. lol

And I fully agree to your statement.
[ZenFone 2 General] :
1. about the photo : i said ggwp asus -> which mean asus is irresponsible and do not care about customer which never mention m or not . did not have anything to do with Khang

2. i said he claimed he is a rep. i never said that he is a rep or not. believe him or not is your problem idc

i said he says alot of things

i said i just wat to make sure everything that i heard and before coming out of my mouth that is correct

on this post i forget the "?" in the to make it a question.

why khang is not reliable well can he prove anything he said ? maybe he make a mistake or he is taking you for a fool and said something fun with no prove and you believe and again i just want to make sure everything a said to others is correct

go back and read my quote and comment again child and remember don't let your hand be faster than your brain
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
BOOM. :silly:

And => http://myzen.asus.com/about/
[ZenFone 2 General] Level99:
Oddly enough, I figured you for more of an AD Carry.
[ZenFone 2 General] Orishaz:
Ahahahah u just made my day.

Khang 1

Hater 0

BOOOMM

Enviado do meu ASUS_Z00AD através de Tapatalk
[ZenFone 2 General] darkmage1991:
lol. no one doubted you weren't a real asus employee except that troll, you didnt have to take time out of your day to prove the troll wrong.
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
And I second your BOOOOMMMM!!!! Lol

-Spyboss888

BTW [MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION] any news from HQ regarding your proposed road map???
[ZenFone 2 General] cangcan:
i dont care much about 5.1.1 or 6.0 update.. all i need is,

GOOD BATTERY LIFE

SORRY for being out of topic,

the attached picture wasnt mine, my friend gave it to me yesterday.

im just jealous with his phone, huawei honor 6 plus..

i know its 3600mah phone, differs only about 600mah with zf2, but there's just no way to compare zf2 to it in terms of battery life,

maybe zf2 can last a day, but only with 3-4hrs of SOT, while nonstop screen-on usage may only hit 4-6hrs of SOT.

btw the huawei is on stock rom, no root no xposed.

im feel like im regretting it now by purchasing this device, honestly..

4GB of ram, but bad battery life, and root/xposed needed to achieve a little more SOT,

and most disappointing, useless hungry battery drain 2.33GHZ cpu clock where I need to underclock and sacrifice performance for some SOT,

you may say that zf2 has quick charge, but thats just bullsh*t, some people have to use the phone outdoor, with no power supply,,

i wish that zf2 can hit 6-7hours of SOT, or 3-4hrs of SOT with 2-day use, but its impossible, since the idle battery drain was too ridiculous.

or maybe im gonna sell it and buy other cheap device with better battery life.

just stating my opinion, im not gonna fight anyone, everyone has their opinion.
[ZenFone 2 General] Tiongkia:
Looks handsome :D

And thanks for all your hardwork on our beloved zf2
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
Things are slow moving with the update roadmap...its gonna take a change in philosophy apparently. I'm still pushing.. Not giving up that fight!
[ZenFone 2 General] :
Lol have you read my post smartass ?

Guess we have the the fastest keyboard typing champ

And the slowest brain on the planet
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
Just curious aren't the quoted statement below are your very own words???

"why khang is not reliable well can he prove anything he said ? maybe he make a mistake or he is taking you for a fool and said something fun with no prove and you believe and again i just want to make sure everything a said to others is correct"

And I have read the quoted statement 10x so that I fully analyze what you have just stated.

After which a boom reply from [MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION] with a big company IDwas posted. You also mentioned earlier that anyone can just make a xda account and make false claims or something close to that.

The simple reply of [MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION] debunked all of your statements all at once.

Isnt it but proper if one has proper education and has grown up to have etiquette and manners to personally apologize asus Klang for your derogatory statements made?? I think it is but appropriate you owe him an apology...

# amjustsaying.
[ZenFone 2 General] ImjuzCY:
I pity the moderator who needs to clean up this thread so often.
[ZenFone 2 General] :
My picture was never about khang so why do i have to apology again ?

I never said he wasn't.

And somehow everyone says that everything khang said is true. I then said what if again. Well can we trust everything on the internet well. I never call khang a liar whatsoever. Like a again can you trust everything on cragslist? What if it is a phony ?

I didnt brought khang into this you guys did so i guess ur the one suited to apology than me
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
I was refering to the quoted words, it's your very own words not mine. Please read again cuz I think your fingers are faster than your eyes.

"why khang is not reliable well can he prove anything he said ? maybe he make a mistake or he is taking you for a fool and said something fun with no prove and you believe and again i just want to make sure everything a said to others is correct" <<<<<<<<<<<<<< YOUR VERY OWN WORDS
[ZenFone 2 General] :
Can you quote everything before that comment. Cause i believe some of khang fans here on xda said something like.....

Well infact i never call him a liar. Never call him a phony rep. Some of his fans questioned me cause i dont believe him i guess? I again remind his fans that we should be sure about what we r gonna says to others.my words above as you quote has nothing to do with he is being a rep or not
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
Doesn't matter you know what you have said and personally you owe the guy an apology IMHO. I dont want to make this a long argument or debate, as an open forum I am just expressing my open opinion about the matter.

I am no fanatic fan of Khang, I just respect the guy and his effort to help out as much as he can.

[MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION] you know what I mean, comment on your zf2 special edition

-Spyboss888
[ZenFone 2 General] vrnsr:
I'm a bit puzzled, what kind of philosophy are you referring to?

Is the philosophy:

a. Not to issue a road map (so Asus won't we blamed for missing milestone if an update is not released on time).

I can live with that.

b. Not to update and move to the next product

??
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
This thread was already threatened to be closed I think any argument is officially over unless we want this to be closed.
[ZenFone 2 General] :
is this for real ? omg lol. haha like how old are you ? hoho

this is all i got after explained so much to the fans and you ? and you call yourself a what ? proper education ?

[MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION] i'm so sorry for express my own opinion about you toward your fans. i'm so sorry if that make you uncomfortable, and if you feel offensive please let its pass cause my words doesnt really mean anything i supposed. i can't delete my comments now since mods had turned of that option so if any of mods passedby please delete for my ty
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
From what I have heard, it's A.
[ZenFone 2 General] vrnsr:
That I can understand ;)

It's more a matter of a business strategy then a philosophy. It's easier not to set deadlines then having to explain why you missed a deadline. I wouldn't bother trying to change that.

When I bought the phone I thought that Intel would be more supportive and help Asus to issue updates faster. After all, their interest is to push and take on the mobile SOC market... That is why I'm a bit disappointed that 6.0 is not coming as fast as I hoped it will.

Anyhow, hope it'll come in the near future, cause I bought this device cause I got sick of Samsung's limitations, not for lack of funds.

Thanks
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
Some old traditional Chinese philosophy and ideology sad to say, ("less talk, less mistake") ...... I know cuz am half Chinese lol. [MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION] don't give up that fight. Lol maybe one day they might break.
[ZenFone 2 General] :
what happen to the delete comment on xda ?

what happen to is forum i remember it was a vbullettin forum kind of thing
[ZenFone 2 General] Calin:
They are deleted in sense that they are not visible anymore to the users. Once the posts are deleted only FMs or FSMs can view them.
[ZenFone 2 General] livewire168:
Asus officially confirms Android M for Zf 2 variants details are here : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3250191
[ZenFone 2 General] Orishaz:
Nice. Good news

Enviado do meu ASUS_Z00AD através de Tapatalk
[ZenFone 2 General] threi_:
...and now half the replies earlier in the thread seem really silly in retrospect.

That is why people need to be more patient.
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
Couldn't agree more myself
[ZenFone 2 General] ultramag69:
Guys, how about you lay off a bit with ASUS_Khang.

Not getting what you want is frustrating but pick your targets. This guy is nice enough to try and help out a little, supply some info and you pretty much slapped him in the face... He might think before posting (vital) info next time because he doesn't want to be held personally responsible...
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
Thanks Asus_khang I hope it comes in a timely manner as I have been a long time supporter of Asus products.....more so hardware components then anything but all the same
[ZenFone 2 General] gipikay:
To be clear, I'm thankful for ASUS_Khang involvment in these threads, I really am. He's been clear that his level is technical, but unfortunately we live in a world where PR and business don't go well with the technical side.

And bi-weekly or even monthly updates are greatly appreciated, even if sometimes they screw up and don't acknownledge publicly. ( and the "wipe cache" after every update is pretty annoying, a band-aid to a bug in the updates, never did I had to do that witho other phones ). I just expect to keep this update rhytm, and really hope for a big update sometime.

We don't have an offical statement about 5.1, only rumours, chats and short answers in forums, and the same goes for Android M with is what this thread started with: a rumour in a chinese website, no source, no confirmation.

I'm not asking for an ETA, just an official statement "yes, we're working on it" or bad case "we've encountered some issues with the Atom platform, but those are being worked on" ( when coming from an abandoned platform like Tegra 4i, you could say if that came true, I'm really cursed when it comes to non-standard chipset) or very worst case "no, we'll not devellop Android M, abandon ship immediatly"
[ZenFone 2 General] jason4962:
Almost every thread has been complaining about battery. Ok guys/gals since i had this phone 2 months now. i got 5 updates. 5! When i had my samsung i have update once every few months? . Every phone out there has flaws. If the battery is no good. Keep an extra charger handy. I myself hate the battery life but because of quick charge i dont mind.

Im stock latest verison. 64gb . 5 email accounts auto sync . All push. Weather updates every 2 hours. Pretty much have all the apps open all times. Disable apps i dont need and im getting 4 sot. 4g lte always on. Just like my samsungs i had to root and flash custom rom because of battery. Zenfone 2 im already 2 months in and still stock. Dont check every day your stressing yourself out
[ZenFone 2 General] tatubias:
A question? If some one is looking 5 6 7he soy. What do you do with yours life's? Need a job.
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
I know your frustrations aren't with me specifically, so no harm done. I know that the team IS working on updating the phone, but (according to our product manager here in the US) the team in HQ is having some challenges. But I do hope they can overcome them soon..I want 5.1+ for everyone as much as you guys :)
[ZenFone 2 General] yash_ghar:
ASUS developers facing challenges??

[MENTION=6922370]ASUS_Khang[/MENTION]

ASUS developers are facing challenges? check this:

we had unofficial bootloader unlock with 2.19 update around last week of June 2015

Within 1 month (about 25 July 2015 or so), community developers released unofficial CM 12.1 based on 5.1.1, that too without access to any ASUS specific sources.

Now we have multiple ROMs (PA, Euphoria, SlimLP, Carbon, Omni etc)

I guess ASUS developers should be able to provide updates since they have access to complete sources (eg proprietary blobs, device specific source etc)

Also, if they are facing any challenges, maybe they can take help from the ROM developers here, who are doing all this in their free time without any payment.

It would be good to know what these challenges are...

Thanks to all developers for providing the ROMs!!
[ZenFone 2 General] ASUS_Khang:
The developers and community here are amazing! I used to frequent the nexus 5 threads for my old phone and know how hard the devs work...(Franco.kernel...woot!) Mucho props to them.

I don't unfortunately have an answer for you regarding the kinds of challenges they are having. But I can try asking! I don't know how big the devs team is there in HQ, but I'm sure resources are limited and they are trying hard to find solutions.
[ZenFone 2 General] mrmathematica:
Here is the key difference: CM 12.1 for zenfone 2 is in beta status, which according to devs themselfs, means there are SHOWSTOP level bugs not resolved. Asus can't release a ROM that contains any SHOWSTOP level bug.
[ZenFone 2 General] yash_ghar:
I agree that CM is in beta.

Point is that they managed to achieve beta status in about 2 months. I have used it and it is good, no show stopping bugs, almost everything works.

Whereas ASUS have been working on stock ROM for more than 6 months and still there are many complaints from users, just check the ASUS forum.
[ZenFone 2 General] 903tex:
Its pretty simple...you want updates and guaranteed those updates for 2-3 years?.....buy a NEXUS phone. Hate to be that guy but that's just the best way of going about it. Yes we all like features, and have are favorite manufacturer. But to be 100% sure you know you will get that with the nexus device. Heck look at the nexus 4 its even getting android m! Even the galaxy nexus which is not getting lollipop has preview android m builds in the threads by devs....
[ZenFone 2 General] fenixx1:
I see we aren't getting the point here. I think the point here isn't begging to Asus for upgrades. It's the duty of Asus to give a good, tested product to the consumer, and if the product is faulty, it's the duty of the manufacturer to replace or upgrade the buggy product. Is this case, we have a faulty software, plus faulty OS.

The best way to punish this kind of unethical behaviour is to not buy any product from them. A boycott if you like, but to beg, to ask "kindly" for a new release is just funny.

On the other hand, the amount of updates made to the software release is not by any chance a good thing. All the contrary, that shows the irresponsible and bad development cycle Asus have in their development areas. It shows poor QA, and poor management. Also fortifies the view of an unethical manufacturer that only cares to sale items, not a service, nor a complete experience.
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
Unconfirmed. Rumours of testing for n4, n7 (2012) and n10, but that runs contrary to Google's recently stated policy (2 years of updates, plus an extra year of security patches)