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[X Play General] Davirus849:
Except is not.

I still have a nexus 4 around, I even shared a video comparing it with the X Play.

And no, there is no way I could say it's the same performance, the Nexus 4 excels in every way over this... on stock.

My complain is not hardware related, it's the fact that the performance we can reach with customs roms, it the same we should get from stock.

I didn't expected this to beat a OPO2, or a Nexus 5, but I was expecting a nice experience.

Obviously there is people noticing there is something wrong with this phone in the way it handle data.

But since Im using CM, I'm not missing stock at all, I'm just experiencing some annoying crashes using HDR mode with the camera, but other than that, it's better in all ways than stock.

And I give credits to you and H2O64 for such hardwork.

But this phone it's a lazy work from Motorola from software perspective.

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[X Play General] allenf:
More than good enough.

It's an excellent,relatively inexpensive modern handset which does exactly what I ask of it, with no appreciable lags or freezes.

I didn't buy it to run benchmarks.

If the buyer's remorse is eating you up, just sell it and move on.

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Please may you repost that link, I'm curious.

People complaining how bad the X Play is...I can't believe I'm holding the same handset as you guys...there's absolutely nothing wrong with mine (stock ROM, Google launcher)

I'm hardly a fanboy, I've been around a while (see sig...).
[X Play General] Davirus849:
My test

f.cl.ly/items/2d0u0v0K0502071E2K43/comparing_motoxplay.mp4.mp4

Here is another guy experiencing the same lags, but with Twitter.

https://youtu.be/4cru1rH-hZE

And another one

https://youtu.be/JoA4dGGUQRQ

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[X Play General] allenf:
I'm not seeing it, sorry.

I just tried the official Twitter app scroll test over WiFi, there was the occasional hesitation where the app was grabbing thumbnail images whilst whizzing past. Once the thumbnails were cached, no jerkiness.

I just tried the m.androidcentral scroll over Chrome latest build - once the page had loaded the images...no jerkiness.
[X Play General] Davirus849:
It's ok. Not everyone notice it, even there are people that notice it and don't bother them.

But the rest, I'm glad we are trying to find a way to fix it, it will help everyone, even the ones that don't notice it or don't care.

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[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Those devices are ancient, 2+ years technology old
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
It's not BAD, it's just the micro stutter makes it annoying.

Now, if is the SD 615 or the software I can't say for sure, but stock it just isn't doing it for me. Nova launcher improves it a little bit, but not by much.

I wish, I really WISH I could have kept it, I wish it so bad I am still considering the idea even after returning it today, but ..... I am used to a SD 805 and buttery smooth experience, and maybe that's why you don't notice it and I do. It isn't a drama, but it makes it just on the edge of not acceptable to me.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Yup you're the only one that's not tripping about this lag, you're a realist bro! Everyone here thinks I'm lying
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
You're not lying, but I think it's more of a defense of purchase, if people don't do that they have a sense of failure or something, which isn't logical, how could they know it had micro stutter? I also bought bad phones, HTC One X for example, wifi antenna was fubar after half a year.

But again, it's not bad, just annoying.
[X Play General] dictionary:
Most of us aren't saying that there is no micro stutter. We are saying it isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it to be. I have a 2014 moto x, and it is definitely smoother than the Play. My n4 is smoother too. That doesn't mean that the Play is horrendous though. Can I tell? Absolutely. Do I feel this will be rectified soon, either by devs or Moto? Yes. Stop going on and on about your hatred for this device lol.
[X Play General] vinjurr:
Agreed device is running without any flaw for last two weeks, thanks
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
You're welcome!
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I don't get it, what did you do. :P
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
More than he'll ever know ;)
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Ehh, I still don't get it.
[X Play General] kuss587:
So I was thinking to sell my shamu to get the moto x play for the battery , camera and the better handling . From what I'm reading it would be a great mistake ?!
[X Play General] Quasar:
If you're alright with an expected decrease in performance, go for it.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
I'll trade u, pm me
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
No it's not. I haven't regretted buying this phone for one sec. Amazing battery and if you are not into heavy gaming then it's a great phone.
[X Play General] kuss587:
What device do you come from ? I see people saying that it doesn't run as smoothly as a nexus 5 or even a nexus 4 ?!?!
[X Play General] Zobat:
If its in this thread: ignore fingerprint.

Its a good phone for its money. There are good roms/kernels that make this phone sublime. The batterytime gives me really peace of mind. I can even do stuff now that costs a lot of juice :)

I'm coming from a nexus 5

i dont play games
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
You can see my phones in my signature.

And not running as smooth? In didn't own that devices but I can tell you the device runs smooth for me.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Okay, don't lie to him.

If you're coming from a Shamu, and I have one, I have news for you, it's not going to be as fluid on stock rom, N6 is smooth while Xplay is choppy.

But maybe if you put a different ROM and/or kernel on it, it might.

Otherwise yeah the phone is good.

Battery: on stock the X Play will win it with at least 6 hours sot and I don't know how much standby. N6 has about 4:30 or 5 on a good day. Stock of course.

Camera: Xplay wins it, the colors were more accurate when I tested it.

Display: Amoled, more power efficient vs the lcd on Xplay, qhd is basically useless and a power drain vs full HD. So I guess in terms of power drain they are about even? Screen on both looks good.

Design: n6 is sturdy but x play is more so, it has that rugged look to it with the grip.

Performance: on stock you will experience choppiness and micro stutters on the Xplay, it's unavoidable. (or me and a ton of others got really unlucky) here is also where most people will jump in to defend it. No it isn't horrible, but the stutters and choppiness are simply there backed up by hard evidence on YouTube videos and a video Fingerprinted linked. Now if a custom ROM/kernel is able to fix it, I don't know that.

Speakers: nexus 6 has dual front facing speakers. Xplay has 1 on the bottom. Nexus wins this one. Also the Xplay sounded a touch 'tinny' but nothing out of the ordinary.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
I don't own an n6, but I came from an n5. I upgraded to the Moto x play for the bigger battery. But to be honest, the trade off in performance is disappointing. I do get 6-7 hours of screen on time, but I feel the Moto x play cannot keep up. For example, when I watch videos on YouTube, it stutters so much that the experience is ruined. Honestly, I would love to be happy with this device, but the sad truth is that I am not.

Right now I don't do any intensive activities on this phone since it can't provide me with a smooth buttery experience. All I do is text email(scrolling through a bunch of pictures lag), text message(again don't insert pictures), make phone calls, etc. The basics, it's like I'm using a non smart phone again.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Let's hope for the Droid turbo 2/ Moto X Force then :P did you see the review?
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
I have, looks interesting, but for my next device I'm going back with the Nexus line. It's funny, I think the Nexus experience has ruined non flagship devices for us. I really miss the buttery smooth performance. I went with the Moto x play because the nexus 6p, was really expensive for me, being in Canada, the exchange rate killed the price. But looking back, I should not have cheaped out(budgeted) haha
[X Play General] eskamhl:
This is really too much trolling: "when I watch videos on youtube, it stutters so much that the experience is ruined". I would close the thread here if I was the moderator.

It seems like the user's average age is going down aggressively here on xda.. maybe just the mental age, who knows.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Forming your own opinion is trolling? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
[X Play General] saintsimon:
Yes, and my opinion you are trolling. You don't know when to stop repeating yourself. There is no gain for the community in your participacion.

This device is not for you. We got it and now don't hesitate to leave.

.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
You would close the thread because you are in full-blown denial.

I had the device for a day, fingerprinted has the device.

I am done here. The age is indeed going down but it's not because of us realists. It's because of your deep seated denial, I swear there is a mental issue you have. You're going to deny deaths too? 'No, he is not dead! Only sleeping!'

Jesus almighty, so much denial....

The X Play has stutters, it's a fact. It's not for you to decide that a certain fact is not true.
[X Play General] Quasar:
For God's sake. We all have the damn device. We all know that it stutters, and we all know that flashing custom ROMs fixes it, and we all also know that YouTube videos definitely don't stutter while playing. Now is there any point in exaggerating and bashing the device? No. It was meant to be, and is a midrange device. Comparing it to flagships like the Nexus 6 is just stupidity.
[X Play General] Lennyz1988:
I just tried Youtube and I have 0 stutter. Can you make a video that shows us the stutter on Youtube? I also tried the gallery, yet again no stutter. I am not saying that you don't have it, but I cannot reproduce it.
[X Play General] heisert:
No stutters on YouTube.

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[X Play General] coolkingler1:
And there we have it, the acknowledgement. That's what we were seeking and that's all we ever said., that's what we wanted people to acknowledge. Considering stutters are the only problem the phone has, that's quite a good phone.

And no, if even the price segment phones of motorola below it don't stutter and because there was a person who actually asked how it is against the N6 the comparison isn't stupid at least unless you want to say answering a question is stupid.
[X Play General] dictionary:
But, we have been acknowledging that it stutters. We have only repeatedly said that you can't compare it to old flagships ..
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I didn't get that because people were saying there was no problem.

But I compared it to it because the N6 is my current phone, and that one guy asked about how it compares too.

But let's drop it.
[X Play General] eskamhl:
You must have your own opinion, and it's good if you share your thoughts , but you can't say that youtube videos are sluggish or even that you aren't able to use it as a smartphone because of the lag. That's objectively false.

I'll never say that's the fastest phone I had because it isn't true, but for sure I can say that some people ( e.g. a friend of mine ) aren't experiencing any lag at all because it is so light they don't even notice it.
[X Play General] ephumuris:
I've had loads of phones last I had an iPhone 6. This Play does have occasional lags but I bought it with the hope I could void my warranty flashing custom ROMs. Squid has realised this for me. Cm 12 and his custom kernel. And he's still working on improving this.

I don't get YouTube lag though.
[X Play General] Zobat:
Not if you install cm. This is a developers forum remember!

bye
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I said this too, I said on stock. but you can't read.

Bye.
[X Play General] Zobat:
you said on stock, I said on cm.

What didn't I read?

Once cm installed it's a very good phone. Period
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Yes, and I didn't deny that.

I always said it stutters ON STOCK. If you read back I always said a different ROM/kernel might fix it.
[X Play General] Zobat:
Ok, we agreed :)

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I said very good btw, you never said that ?
[X Play General] sarxion:
I've disabled all 4 small cores using kernel auditor, however, after some time, for some reason, 3 of the big cores get disabled for no aparent reason and can NOT get re-enabled. Turning them on does nothing since they just instantly turn themselves off again. This happened on Motorola's stock rom and Cyanogen mod. Did anyone have this issue?

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/2uKBh
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Lol why would you do that for
[X Play General] roberth1990:
That seems to be a bug in kernel aditur. I had a issue with the first LITTLE core not being permanently offline and the 4th big core gone online like you experienced. I have reported a bug with it here.

Quote from squid2:

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Is it just for me that webview is incredibly laggy when scrolling regardless of all the tweaks that has been added?
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
I had this problem too.

And this.

That was my experience:

1) I disabled the little cores and changed the Thermal settings from Core Control to Temperature Throttle. The performance got really better.

2) Everytime I opened Kernel Adiutor and went to the CPU screen, the CPU 4 (first little core) got enabled. Then I manually disabled it again and closed KA.

3) After some hours, I opened the camera and took some pictures. Suddenly the camera got too laggy, so I checked what was happenning on CPU-Z. All the cores were disabled, but the CPU 3 (4th big core). I re-enabled all the cores, unchecked "'Apply on Boot" and rebooted. I was lucky I could revert the changes.

I think it's a bug from Kernel Adiutor. I don't know how to make it work, so I gave it up and reverted the CPU settings to default.

But when the little cores were disabled, the performance was significantly better.
[X Play General] sarxion:
Replying from xda labs beta app so I can't quote anyone, but for me the "all big cores off but the 4th one" problem didn't go away no matter how hard I tried. Enabling them did nothing since they immediately disabled themselves. I ended up going to sleep and leaving my phone charging planing on reflashing cyanogen mod on the morning, but to my surprise I found my phone turned off and when I turned it one the core problem was gone. I still have no idea what just happened, or why it is happening.

Has anyone had any luck with other apps to disable the 4 small cores?
[X Play General] dictionary:
You have to long press on the post, around the top. Had to figure that out too lol. It's just a little jumpy in the reply box if you multi quote.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
All the other apps I tried didn't handle the big.LITTLE architecture very well, so I got back to Kernel Adiutor.

I know one thing you can try. Disable Thermal Control on Kernel Adiutor, don't mess with the CPU tab and disable the little cores with these terminal commands.

su

chmod 444 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{CPU_NUMBER}/online

echo "0" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{CPU_NUMBER}/online

where {CPU_NUMBER} is the number of the CPU. You should run it with 4, 5, 6 and 7.
[X Play General] sarxion:
Did you try this with success? Also, from where did you input those commands? (android terminal emulator app with root?) doesn't sound like it's adb via windows console.
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
I didn't try, but it should work. The only problem is that when you reboot, you lose the changes and need to run the commands again. :(

You can input via termimal emulator with root or via adb, by tapping adb shell before every command.
[X Play General] nikolov47:
Mine 8 cores on stock are running all the time, and around 800-960MHz on idle. Moreover it seems that all 4 big cores are running the same clock speed and the other 4 little cores are also running at the same clock speed
[X Play General] sarxion:
So...just to clear things up, it doesn't seem like anyone has had any luck disabling all 4 small cores without any of them turning back on, at least not with the stock kernel, correct?
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
No success for me with default kernel or even with the squid's one.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
So nobody has actually found a 'fix' yet for the performance? As soon as somebody does I will probably switch over. :)
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
I'm using CM and the kernel from squid and it's solved for me. But on stock, the performance is really under the expectations.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Wait really? On CM it's really solved? Hmm...
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
I won't tell you it works like a Nexus or that it's buttery smooth all the time, but the performance is as good as I could expected from that hardware. Very good, not perfect.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I know, but if the microstutters are gone that's all that counts.
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
Hello. After formatting the cache position via recovery I have not experienced any stutters yet (it's been an hour) and I have a lot of apps. I'm try to put it under a lot of workload. You guys should give it a try. ?
[X Play General] heisert:
You mean wipe the Cache Partition? Wait a few hours or 1-2 days. The stutters come back.

Tried it last week.

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[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
I hit the upvote button by mistake. Anyway I mailed the customer support explaining it in detail and I hope they sort it out in the next update. The stutters are the only thing that are bothering me. Only thing. But it's annoying as f***
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Yeah, I and other people have been reporting great performance with all the Squid work (both ROM and Kernel).

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You need to disable "core control" in the thermal settings and set temp with soc
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Read again, that's what I did :p
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
You were right. Stutters are back. Formatting cache partition failed.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Agree 100%
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
New trial on disabling the LITTLE cluster

Some users of CM by [MENTION=6485916]squid2[/MENTION] have screens of death errors with the default CM kernel or with certain versions of squid's kernels. Nobody knows for sure what causes the error, but squid suggests the removal of the Power HAL, because it's possible that the Power HAL and the CPU tweaks are in conflict.

I don't have any SOD with the latest version of the squid kernel, but I can't disable the LITTLE cluster because when I tried to do it, it worked for a time and then all the cores got disabled, but the 4 (first little core). When it happened I reverted all the CPU tweaks.

Today I removed the Power HAL, changed the Thermal to Temperature Throttle and disabled the LITTLE cores. I'll let you know if it was successful.
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
I love this community. Every person helps or at least tries to help. Long live XDA!
[X Play General] LuizHenrique91:
Unfortunately, no success on disabling the little cores :(

Just like the other time I tried, everything worked fine,but I opened the camera with the gesture at the end of the afternoon and the phone got too slow. I check on CPU-Z and confirmed that just the core 3 was online.

P.S.: I had opened the camera with the gesture earlier several times and the problem didn't happen.

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[X Play General] 100rabh7791:
Last night updated Google app... Making things much smoother.. Can anyone else confirm?
[X Play General] heisert:
Yes. Im imagine scrolling in chrome and playstore feels better. Strange.

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[X Play General] 100rabh7791:
Exactly scrolling is much smoother and also when i am done with any of the Google cards ..there is no jerkiness when i swipe them off
[X Play General] allenf:
Guess what... Now I have the stuttering too <rolleyes>

I don't know what changed, and it doesn't happen all the time (and I'm not talking about image caching scroll related stuttering) and it's not driving me nuts but...

My gut feeling is it's a graphics driver issue.

Let's see what Moto or Marshmallow do.
[X Play General] 100rabh7791:
Won't we have lag in games then ??? Bt those work fine ...
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Yeah games work very smooth with the same graphics n all. Its just a basic software optimization which is required by Motorola.
[X Play General] roberth1990:
How do I remove Power HAL?

EDIT: Nevermind, squid2 has solved this.
[X Play General] nikolov47:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e89450065e - guys report your performance and other issues related with the optimisation here please...
[X Play General] nikolov47:
Have anyone tried already installing 64bit app?
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I can't stand this, I really really want this phone despite the performance, but waiting to see when it has marshmallow and fixes things, otherwise rom :P
[X Play General] Davirus849:
Seriously people, install both Squid Kernel and Squid CM rom and forget about the performance issues.
[X Play General] Gopinath15:
I bought moto x play , since i have lost my xiaomi mi3. Had initial thoughts about 615 processor, since mi3 had a fantastic 800 SD. Am happy with x play performance after a month. Feels bit heavy. Battery performance is just the same as my mi3. An all around phone. I play bit of games like trial extrmee, leos fortune. No noticeable performance lag. :)

But it ll take time for custom roms. Very less options. Need to see dirty unicorns, slim rom, etc.

Waiting .... :)
[X Play General] ilmoro93:
Why is there 32 bit in this screen? Isn't the OS 64 bit?
[X Play General] nikolov47:
exactly! the OS is 32bit!

That's from the discussion I've posted a few comments above.
[X Play General] DroidX1001:
Hope motorola forum manager would look into the matter n all the details posted by us.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Is this the problem?
[X Play General] heisert:
Not really

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[X Play General] coolkingler1:
:crying:
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Any updates on the performance?
[X Play General] nikolov47:
Check the discussion on Motorola's forum
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I did but it isn't any use, no word from Motorola and nobody knows what to do except wait.
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
They won't
[X Play General] nikolov47:
We're waiting for marshmallow update. And expecting to see all those improvements we wish for there.
[X Play General] coolkingler1:
I read that yes, but nothing else, when,how,where, something from Motorola themselves.

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Well we knew that of course, secretly.
[X Play General] heisert:
There is a new Posting. They want bug Reports from the dev options. WTF.

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[X Play General] coolkingler1:
Eh, it's something, maybe in 2020 they will acknowledge it.
[X Play General] lokesh.acm:
I went through so much struggle to buy this phone. Read so many reviews. But now after buying this experience has left me very sad. I'm just hoping marshmallow will fix it. My friend's 10k phone was faster than mine ?
[X Play General] fingerprinted:
Same feeling bro?. Coming from a nexus 5 that was made in 2013 and buttery smooth, this phone is at least 5 times slower, if not more. Everyone here thinks I'm trolling. The only saving grace to this phone is the large long lasting battery, which the nexus 5 lacked. I played around with my friends X pure and was really shocked how Motorola perfected that phone while failed on the x play. I wish I shelled out another $200 before to get the x pure in September instead.