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[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
I have been at this long enough to understand the way things are. Hackers and modders have always had to look outside the box to get moddable devices.

Just look at video calling. There was a time when you had to buy a euro device to get one with a front facing camera, updates outside the almost 0 that the carrier pushed, call recording or many things over the years. Many people that are new to modding devices (5 years or so) They are spoiled. So it is hard for them to accept things. I know that If I want a device I can mess with I know I will most likely have to do 2 things. 1. Buy a Euro based device 2. Pay full retail and some shipping. Sooner or later the carriers and OEM will have things so locked down that few will be willing to void their warranty for flash anything (efuze).

They are kind marketing the Galaxy line to the corporate person. They are also marketing it as a all in one device, this way you can use it as a personal device and a work phone. Cant really do that if it is not secure enough.

We will just have to look harder if we want a device to mod and hack.
[Galaxy Note5 General] TheLoonyRebel:
Funny thing is I get at least 4-5 hours SOT with SlingPlayer and no overheating.

Boom. Roasted. :laugh:
[Galaxy Note5 General] GreeleyXda:
Agreed here, I've owned the s3, note 2, note 4, s5, and s6 edge. I've never rooted any of them. While the nexus 6 I had, I did root.

I wouldn't feel the need to root if Samsung wasn't slacking on the software.

Yes we like all the things baked in touchwiz, but they don't do diddly squat if the darn phone lagging or constintly reloading/close apps in the background.
[Galaxy Note5 General] cpufrost:
I really wouldn't mind all this nonsense as long as they sold developer edition phones alongside of the locked down ones.

OR allow them to be unlocked like HTCDev does with their devices. Of course VZW has those blocked. I like how you can still get around this with a java card. Nothing is unhackable, period. Problem is new phones come out so frequently by the time if/when a "friendly" method using an exploit is discovered, a new device may be out or right around the corner.

They claim this will stop root dead in its tracks. Apple claims root is impossible in iOS.

This is all I can say about making such confident blanket statements!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QHzUYRRoeQ

Crippleware is a great incentive to get the enthusiast crowd to buy stuff they really don't need. :p

Have to admit, it's working.
[Galaxy Note5 General] md1008:
I care less about root and more about roms. Not too happy that you can't use hangouts in ultra power saving mode, yet you can use whatsapp. I use GV as my primary number

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Stock rom is good and all but Android 6 is almost round the corner. Waiting 6 months for update sucks
[Galaxy Note5 General] cpufrost:
Oh and another thing (RE: T-Mobile!)

If you're on AT&T and want to buy a T-Mobile version for the unlocked bootloader...

Yes I've been doing it since AT&T started locking bootloaders but with the S6 it turned into a nightmare when I wanted to unlock the phone. TMO recently started using an unlock app that's married to the device rom/firmware so that conventional unlocking codes simply won't work. Even though you may go into a store and pay cash and own the phone that day, you still are bound by their ridiculous unlock policy of having the phone on their network for 40 days OR prepay two months ($100) up front so the unlock app will work.

Apparently that was sidestepped by some folks that are selling unlocks. After they get payment they arrange to connect to your PC using AMMY, Teamviewer, etc. and do it right on your PC remotely. I never tried this but cellunlocker did give me a credit which I used on another phone I had to unlock.

TMO reception for me is un-acceptable. I have a Nexus6 on project Fi (just activated a few days ago) and it gets LTE at home via Sprint and speeds are similar to VZW and ATT in the same location. TMO in the cities tends to have very fast LTE. But when you get past the suburbs, nope, nada, zip. Edge is headbanging slow. And even if you're on wifi, sending a picture SMS still takes minutes or close to an hour because it's using 2G.

I love to customize my devices. Button mappings, center clock, custom icons, toggles, the works. But having root for ad-away is very nice. And of course titanium.

You know they could easily bake these features right into the rom (well the ad blocking probably will never see it!). Perhaps milkshake will have on the fly changes like third party framework (Wanam, Xblast, Gravity, etc.) And some colorable battery icons, i.e. 3minit...

But as my father in law used to say "If a frog had wings, he would not have to bump his ass on a lily pad". :D

Still, them thinking they can kill root once and for all just fills the room with all sorts of outrageous laughter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_xJUQxE9tY (may be NSFW)
[Galaxy Note5 General] THEONEMARK:
I'm so angry with these news I'm going to return my AT&T note 5 and get the Tmoblie one
[Galaxy Note5 General] mircury:
The Att and Verizon note 4 has not been fully rooted almost a year later because of dmverity. I wouldn't laugh just yet. Lots of sad pandas over there. Just look at the bounty thread and the pledge removals.
[Galaxy Note5 General] JasonJoel:
Exactly. Do NOT assume these phones worth locked boot loaders will get 'real' for. Ever.

They might, but I'm not holding my breath.
[Galaxy Note5 General] cpufrost:
Sadly, this is true. :(

We can only hope that the Greats like Chainfire can find a crack in the shell...
[Galaxy Note5 General] md1008:
If I absolutely had to use VZW or AT&T I would use PayPal credit and by factory unclocked. It's a matter of principal for me.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Goofypook:
All of this talk about TMobile... What about those of us on Sprint... Whats the chance of root on this device?
[Galaxy Note5 General] midimench:
I'm with you. Goodbye Note 3, hello LG or Motorola
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah note 4 still isnt rootable
[Galaxy Note5 General] NotATreoFan:
I thought it was mentioned that Sprint also did not lock the Note 5 down.
[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
Tmobile and Sprint are rootable. It's being worked on atm.
[Galaxy Note5 General] elliwigy:
note 4 is rooted and has been for months now.. wp is another story

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[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
Not Verizon note 4
[Galaxy Note5 General] elliwigy:
its clearly been rooted.. where have you been?

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[Galaxy Note5 General] electrofryed:
I believe you're correct. I haven't seen a locked BL sprint phone either. I've nerdified quite a few of those.

A message to Google, Samsung, AT&T, and Verizon: If you restrict your customers, eventually, they will go somewhere else. (locked bootloaders, locked ext SD cards, locked SIM cards, locked WiFi calling, DATA restrictions, ect)
[Galaxy Note5 General] USMC retired:
Boycott

It's not Samsung, It's Verizon and ATT. Here's the question, why is Samsung caving into the demands of VZ and ATT, what are they going to do if Samsung doesn't follow what they want, cancel their order? I think not, they have to have the phones. Samsung needs to say one phone, one bootloader and quit caving into demands.
[Galaxy Note5 General] JasonJoel:
Why do that NEED to do that?

Samsung wants to sell phones. They don't care if your can unlock the bootloader any more than how it impacts sales. And at this point, they clearly think that they will lose more sales than gain if they lost att and Verizon, or if Verizon and att carried it but doesn't push them in store because they are pissed at samsung.
[Galaxy Note5 General] mircury:
I get that you're trying to clear things up on the Note 4 situation (multiple times in different threads) but for most people, when they hear that "root" is available for a device they immediately think of a permanent and usable method. So in that sense the ATT/VZW Note 4 doesn't have root and most likely never will.
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah temp root on kitkat without write protection and I have had root since i got my note 4. developer edition ftw

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exactly i must have been typing my post as yours popped up lol
[Galaxy Note5 General] pyrolupus:
My property, my decision

If the hardware is mine but the software is not, as you say, then I expect the freedom to place new software on my owned hardware, should I so choose.

As to the inherent security of a non-rooted OS, that has limited merit. There have been numerous security exploits that have taken months or longer for the manufacturer or carrier to release patches to secure devices.

Rooting has dangers, but removing even its possibility from experienced, responsible users is a troubling trend. If nothing else, then what recourse has a security director of an organization that has deployed these devices to its staff, should a zero-day exploit be discovered? Certainly not trust her kernel hackers to patch it, since she can't deploy the fix to the crippled phones.

Of course other devices could have been used to avoid this. I am refuting the "not your property" and "root is insecure" arguments, not suggesting that someone with kernel hackers on staff should have approved a device she did not have the power to update.

The above was targeted at the corporate reasoning behind Knox, but it still applies at the individual level. My property, my decision.
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
you buy it as a whole. can't separate one from the other. that is like buying a new windows pc and not being able to install linux because microsoft does not approve it. no that is bs you can install whatever you want when you buy a pc. same should apply to a phone imo. we arent messing with verizons or whoevers network we are messing with our let me say that again OUR phone which we paid for not verizon or another carrier. Sure they can decline to warranty it but we should be allowed to do what we want. should be unlocked bootloader and have abilities to root with a simple command like a nexus device. That is another thing i dont get. Note 4/5 locked down tight as most phones with exception of LG on verizon but the nexus 6 on verizon can be rooted and unlocked within minutes?!!? why do some get that privilege yet others dont? i get the security/government thing but hey make them a certain high security phone and at least sell us the normal xda user a developer edition so we can root it like we want! I would like to see a legal matter of this take place where somebody shows me where it says verizon is legally allowed to make your phone not boot when rooted
[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
Not completely. Windows has a new security set up that was made so only an signed software will boot.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...t-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems

Verizon has every right to say what will and will not work on their network. Something goes for other carriers as well.

Remember that xda users make up less then 1% of sales. They would rather we didn't exist. Also look at it from their point of view. You have hundreds of stupid people flashing their device and bricking it because they don't know what they are doing and shouldn't be messing with things and then call up warranty to get it replaced. Millions of dollars a year are spent on returns due to stupid people. This ruins things for most of us but it all is part of the course. It will end up that if you want to mod your device you will have to buy a mod able device.
[Galaxy Note5 General] wase4711:
THIS!!!

If you dont like Verizons/ATT decision, then use Tmobile or Sprint

Carriers dont care what the tiny minority of XDA users want, so nothing that we care about will ever be addressed by them.

And, just because you paid full retail for your phone, doesn't mean that they have to let you use their network any other way than how THEY want you to use it..

Vote with your wallet, and buy a phone/carrier that gives you what you want, because its not going to be ATT or Verizon..
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
Windows 10 just came out so we shall see what happens. Verizon has been locking stuff down for years!

Also root voids warranty we all know that yet they still warranty them. That's not my fault. They would make money if they didn't warranty bricks and sold them a new one!
[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
Its already happened. The new windows 10 pc have the locked down bootloaders.

The thing is the sales people are not trained to be able to find if it voided the warranty. That is part of the reason samsung added the efuze that blows if anything is flashed that is not a samsung software. Soon if you want to return a device you will have to deal directly with the OEM.

No it is not your fault. That doesnt matter really. The few will always suffer for the mistakes of the many. We have been fighting this battle for over a decade and it will not change anytime soon.
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
I agree the sales people are idiots in most cases. And I agree you should have to deal with the oem directly. Should be just like any other return that you can't screw something up and get a new one. Can't spill wine on your shirt per day and go back to the store and get another one for free so why is a phone any different? This all could have been avoided imo
[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
The issue is determining if the device was modded. This is where they run into an issue. Like I said this is why samsung added the efuze. This way if something was flashed to the device and Samsung sees it then they can tell the carrier which in turn can bill people the full price of the phone. Everyone know samsung is trying to lock their devices down completely. It is only a matter of time. This is part of the reason most developers now refuse to touch samsung devices.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Chuckd610:
While scrolling through developer options, I came across an option to "OEM Unlock." Thinking it may have had something to do with unlocking the the phone to use with other carriers, I Googled it to get more info. From what I read, it is to unlock the bootloader. Since I'm not too tech savvy, I decided to post here to see if this is useful.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Snowby123:
An unlocked bootloader is required to obtain permanent root access. It sounds very useful
[Galaxy Note5 General] wase4711:
except an unlocked bootloader wont be of use if this phone has that built in "device killer" software that ATT/Verizon have allegedly put on their versions of the Note 5..
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
It's a lollipop option. Means nothing unless bootloader is easily unlockable with a one line command aka nexus 6. You have to check that first to unlock or the oem unlock command will not work
[Galaxy Note5 General] drmacrofish:
Screen shot it?
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
trust me its nothing. all lollipop devices have it. wont do us any good unless verizon allowed an unencrypted bootloader
[Galaxy Note5 General] Timberwolfhusky:
"The software is heavily ingrained within the Android framework and the kernel of Samsung’s devices" <----sounds like cancer..

It would seem that Samsung not only is copying the iphone physically. Such an implementation would be snsible for pentagon employee, but making it standard to lock down android akin to the iphone is appalling at best. It is perfectly understandable to disable features that could compromise financial information, but pretty much nuking the device due to rooting it? I call BS..

Yet another reason for me to stick to my Note 3... What a disappointment, again:(
[Galaxy Note5 General] 212meet561:
Wake up Samsung has something to do with it. We get a so called "Premium Looking" phone at the price of no removable battery and no expansion port. If we wanted an Iphone we would have bought one.Google gets blame here too with their limitations in recent software updates. Wake up people! Big corporations are playing us. We are paying for less. It benefits them not us. Upgrade no phone until they give us what we want. When the numbers suffer they will listen. Till then my Note 3 will continue to do the job.

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Wake up Samsung has something to do with it. We get a so called "Premium Looking" phone at the price of no removable battery and no expansion port. If we wanted an Iphone we would have bought one.Google gets blame here too with their limitations in recent software updates. Wake up people! Big corporations are playing us. We are paying for less. It benefits them not us. Upgrade no phone until they give us what we want. When the numbers suffer they will listen. Till then my Note 3 will continue to do the job.
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
There will never be the "perfect" phone to upgrade to. Also they are copying Apple because like I have been saying for a long time Apple's software and code is just better plain and simple. It might be simpler but it works that is something even an Apple hater myself cannot deny. It works and it works well. Hoping the moto x will be something special but who knows what to expect from moto
[Galaxy Note5 General] 212meet561:
If there isn't a "perfect" phone to upgrade to then it is not time to upgrade. I own 2 Unlocked Note 3 and an Iphone 4S 64GB. I am missing out on nothing. I am not upgrading to the Iphone 6 plus because it is still inferior to the Note 3. Outside of the larger screen and the processor to power the larger screen it is just not worth it. The camera is the same as the 4S with minor impovements. When it comes to the fingerprinting I don't want it on my iPhone or on my Note so really where is my upgrade?

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On the Note side of things the Note 5 Iliminates the removable battery, removable micro SD port, and Infrared Blaster. Samsung thinks that by giving me a more "premium" design which as with any of my phones are going into an Otterbox case that they are doing me a favor? No, its doing THEM and Apple a favor. They are forcing us into cloud reliance which I do not want. How many hacks of servers have you heard of lately? Quite a few. If I pay for it I want reliance on no one. If I want my data on an SD I should have the option in addition to their server. I do not need them to Shepherd me like mindless sheep. I am in controll of my finances not they. So untill they come out with the "perfect" phone to upgrade to I will not be upgrading. 2 Note 3s Rooted and an Iphone 4S 64GB that I own (all unlocked) are all the phones needed. Watch the market plunge a little more with slumping sales of the new devices and we will see if they listen and give us the "perfect" phone to upgrade to.
[Galaxy Note5 General] JasonJoel:
All reasonable points. So you won't be buying a note 5. Duly noted.

Others use their phones differently and are ok with the tradeoffs.

For instance I never use more than a super thin tpu case, so I do care what it looks like underneath. I can fit all my files within 64gb, so I'm OK there. I've never replaced a battery or swapped batteries and I've had 6-7 phones with removable batteries.

Everyone will decide if the phone meets their needs or not. It is understandable to be mad that the phone isn't perfect for you, but it is fine for others so no point in repeating what it does/doesn't have over and over.

People can decide for themselves.
[Galaxy Note5 General] 212meet561:
I can respect your point if the people who invested in the success of Android were represented. The new wave of android users are not core android users. To add to your point they should have a version to cater to your needs as well as the core Android user not just force the core Android user to adapt to an Iphone cloned Android device.
[Galaxy Note5 General] 212meet561:
... then at that point of giving both Core and New Android users that option the people could decide for themselves.
[Galaxy Note5 General] mva5580:
It's pretty much gotten to the point where Nexus devices are the only Android-based phones worth owning. If you're not into rooting/customizing/whatever, I'm not sure why you even care to have an Android phone these days, might as well just get an iPhone. The 3 things that (generally) set Android apart were 1) Replaceable batteries, 2) microSD slots, and 3) the ability to customize the experience.

2 of those 3 things are pretty much gone and while you can still do some of the 3rd on a device that isn't able to be rooted, you're probably someone who is sticking with Samsung's ugly-ass UI and if you're a "basic" user I guess I will ask again...why even go Android? Just get an iPhone.

I've got a Nexus 6 now and it's great, and from the looks of it the only Android phones I will ever own from here on out are Nexus devices.
[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
6 days of owning the device and it's rooted with custom recovery. Sucks that att and verizon are going that far to control their customers.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Sess:
It was a good decision. Note 4 turned to pure dog**** after the lolipop update. The exynos 7420 is killing it right now, and the camera upgrade was pretty substantial. I feel bad for ATT and VZW customers, but sooner or later someone will find a way for those users to enjoy what unlocked and tmobile customers will be enjoying shortly.
[Galaxy Note5 General] wase4711:
Me too
[Galaxy Note5 General] grislieber:
m8 can have the entire process done by sunshine with one click. even HTC has not been as lame as samsung
[Galaxy Note5 General] seh6183:
5.1 fixed it all.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Sess:
Happy to hear that it works for you. 5.1.1 on the note 4 Rev 3 was abysmal, Laggy and randomly rebooted frequently for me and several other forum members, #android on efnet denizens and countless other Rev 3 owners in the US. Can't speak to the international crowd. Maybe the exynos version rocked.
[Galaxy Note5 General] seh6183:
I'm not sure what you flashed or had but I didn't even have a Rev 3 phone and got it working. Was a snapdragon phone. It eliminated all the lag for me and fixed all bugs. Sorry 5.1 didn't work out for you. I can say that 5.1 on the note 4 makes it a new phone and is something I would recommend to anyone looking for a new phone.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Sess:
Stock. Rev 3 ships with 5.1.1. Again glad it worked out for you. Not saying you don't have a great experience. Root is not always an option for Samsung device owners and should not be a requirement for a useable 700$ phone.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pjhoody:
I'm no expert, but people swore the Note 4 wouldn't be rooted either and smart people figured out how to do it. Where there's a will there's a way. The bootloader is probably a lost cause but I bet the Note 5 get root at least.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Sess:
I'm referring less to technical limitations and more to those who need or require Knox for work or simply don't want to lose features they may deem valuable like the private partition or Samsung pay.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pjhoody:
Ah gotcha.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Dinc User:
Oh man I wish I came across this thread sooner. What if the phone is factory unlocked from Verizon?
[Galaxy Note5 General] elliwigy:
meaning a dev ed?

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[Galaxy Note5 General] Bhamilton0347:
Same bb
[Galaxy Note5 General] edalbyeb:
Would you be so kind as to provide me with the details of the best software solution for rooting a T mobile note 5, and the steps you went through for a full proof rooting method? Thx much!
[Galaxy Note5 General] Dinc User:
I bought one from eBay that said it was factory unlocked from Verizon
[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
That just means you can use any sim with it. There is no dev edition note 5
[Galaxy Note5 General] oilfighter:
AT&T and Verizon Note 4 are still not rooted
[Galaxy Note5 General] Tikerz:
All Verizon LTE phones are factory unlocked. However, the iPhones are the only phones that support all the carriers LTE bands. The VZW Android phones usually do not support T-Mobile or AT&T despite being unlocked to work with those networks. They only get HSPA+.