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[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
What? Happened all the time, I don't currently have one here at work but I will grab one of my old screenshots when I get home. Even the old M8 back on KitKat could pull nearly 6 hours of SOT in a 20 hour period.

Like I said, LP really reduced most devices battery life. I am assuming this was increasing CPU drain to keep it smooth. Which, smooth is good. We just need to get OEM's to stop goofing around with small useless sized batteries. For 2015, it's 4,000mah or bust.
[X Style (Pure) General] PolishDude:
What is adaptive brightness? Is that just the same thing as auto brightness on most phones? I turned off "approach for moto display" too as I can just as easily pick up my phone to see if there are any new notifications as I can wave over it. Thought when you turn off the approach you have to hit the power button to get the screen to display, I like this better.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bigal77:
I agree phones need improvement in this area..... But every test done has not shown opo as a top ten. That's ludicrous.

Anyway... I have HTC m8. It's decent.... But usually between 3 and 4 sot. If I get between 4 and 5 it's an improvement already
[X Style (Pure) General] adibeckett:
I get 8 hours of sot on lollipop with my Opo. Of course with some heavy tweaking :p

I think the Moto pure would be a great phone for me, if I wasn't spoiled with getting 5 to 6 hours of sot everyday.

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Screenshots I posted on Opo battery life thread.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
How can we be so silly as to assume SOT is anything useful? My Moto G can show me very silly numbers in there : it adds the moto amoled display on for notifications pulsing as screen ON. Moreover, I can generate a screenshot for you by keeping the screen ON for hours at the lowest brightness level (1% or even 0%) and only slightly using the phone for minimal battery burning things like web browsing or settings browsing or even youtube video at 0% brightness will show SOT screenshot of many hours but is meaningless in the real world. Would you trust such a SOT screenshot?

On the other hand, I can spin the CPU and kill the battery in minutes and show a screenshot with SOT of 1hour. Would you trust that screenshot?

Let's just stop this madness with SOT. Only question people should answer is : are you able to get through your normal day without charging the phone? Just answer yes or no and forget about SOT. If there are more yes than no, this phone has a good battery life. Period.
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
I'm telling you man, Lollipop just ruined battery life on almost every device that I've tried both LP and KK on. I don't get it. The OPO used to be the king, that's what made me get one. I was rocking an m8 and enjoying the sound quality and speakers so I gave my invite to my best bro since he only had a Gnex that I had gotten him for his birthday. He was BLOWING ME AWAY with the outrageous battery life he was getting. Always gaming and going crazy, auto everything, and the phone just was un-kill-able. I got one and sold my m8, and man it was awesome till the last 2 KK builds were pushed out... then it just became garbage. Cyanogen just was NOT ready to support a paid product sadly.

But anyway, I'm really loving the MXPE so far, if they can just fix the camera lol. Standby with the Active Radio Bug fix in xposed seems to be pretty good so far. But I don't have my moto 360 synced to it yet. Will report findings tonight.

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Because SOT is the 2nd king of usage measuring, next to standby time...but SOT is how long you were directly using the device, and since the screen takes the most power it makes the most sense to use SOT as a area of measurement.

I don't have to prove anything about my 8 hour SOT on the OPO. It happened, it happened a lot. It was fantastic. End of story.
[X Style (Pure) General] emailrob:
I'm barely getting 3 hours SOT, even with greenify and Amplify running and killing what it can.

Today I'm going to test having cellular turned off when on wifi. I use google hangouts & google voice for calls, so really don't need cellular anyway. Will see if that improves things.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
I had the same problems with battery life on my G2. Kitkat was fine, then LP came along and killed it. Unfortunately it looks like LG is going to leave the G2 users hanging with a bad version of LP. I flashed mine back to KK and froze the update notifications.
[X Style (Pure) General] Goronok:
I picked up a 16GB Pure 2 days ago to play around with. (Best Buy) I'm actually a bit surprised by the battery life. It's as good, if not better, than my Note 5. Standby/idle time on the Pure is worlds better than the Note.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
I started a poll here: http://xdaforums.com/moto-x-style/general/moto-x-pure-day-charging-t3204012

Please vote.
[X Style (Pure) General] brholt6:
I don't have the time, nor care enough to BS a screen shot for SOT. I'd really hope no one else does either.
[X Style (Pure) General] adibeckett:
Maybe with root, greenify, turn off most if not all of Moto X Pure's "features", lower brightness to 10% - 20%, using a battery optimized kernel; we can maybe extend the SOT to 5 to 6 hours.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bootup:
Yes
[X Style (Pure) General] whatnow275:
With similar usage how does the battery of the MXP compare to iP6+
[X Style (Pure) General] brholt6:
I have root and greenify (not sure greenify really helps a ton). The only feature I turned is the wave your hand over to see notifications...I can hit 5 with 21+ hours off the charger. Im sure I could hit 6 if I used my phone more and reduced my stand by time. Screen is about 30-40% but that's plenty bright even in direct sun light...for me anyways.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
I am not suggesting people are doing that or will do that. I am trying to convey the meaninglessness of SOT by capturing both extreme ends of the spectrum. That's the reason I started the poll. If 90 out of 100 people tell me that the battery lasts for them the day, prospective buyer gets a useful hint that most likely it will last him the day too. In the same vein, he looks at 8 hrs SOT for OPO and 2 hr SOT for Moto X, he says battery on Moto X is crap and moves on and actually goes and spreads the FUD on twitter and next thing you know is that the whole "media" is saying Moto X battery is crap. That's wrong IMO!
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
Didn't even think of that, who would go through the effort to do that lol
[X Style (Pure) General] brholt6:
Definitely agree with what you're saying.
[X Style (Pure) General] adibeckett:
Not crap but maybe just "average" battery.

That 8 hours of sot is with some heavy tweaking.

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So with a different kernel and more tweaks, I can maybe hit 7 to 8 hours of SOT?!? :p

I'm not sure I'll be using the turbo charging feature since apparently that degrades the battery. If I get the Moto, I'm planning to keep it for a year and a half maybe.

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[X Style (Pure) General] goop99:
my overnight discharge (9hrs) went from 97-->93% on LTE only. no root/wakelock/greenify.
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
If the phone cannot manage an average of at least 5 to 5.5 SOT, and by average I mean that most people agree that said time is easily reachable, then it isn't really good. My 2013 Moto X could pull 5.5 everyday without issue (with around 20 hours of total stand-by), it was honestly the best I'd ever had other than the OPO back on r25. (really miss r25) Even my Galaxy s2 could pull just about 3 hours SOT, and that was back in teh day.

I'm not saying the phone is poop, I am just saying the battery is meh, at least so far. Which should be expected from 3000mah on a 1440p screen. However... Motorola did pull some black magic with the moto 360...so maybe all is not lost, software does help when done correctly as we've seen with the moto 360. And also... Marshmallow!

Look, the reason SOT matters is that whatever the maximum SOT is, is basically the maximum amount of time you could use the phone none stop. So let's say a phone on 1% brightness only lasted 2 hours with the screen on in a video test (Really bad lol). That means that the phone most likely would not last beyond 2 hours of solid use. Now obviously this isn't perfect...but if the battery can literally only power the screen for 2 hours...then the phone most like isn't going to be any good.

So, anyway. The SOT of a user's battery history gives you an idea of how long it was directly being used.
[X Style (Pure) General] goop99:
i charged my ip6+ about 5 times a week, but i could easily manage it to charge every other day on weekdays if i needed to. Most days i would plug it in with 25-40%

with my mxp ill have to charge it every night.

with mixed wifi/lte (i have unlimited on verizon) it seems like i can get 4.5-5hrs of SOT consistently (100-10%), without root. Good enough for me, and I am very happy to be free of the itunes shackles.

one mistake i've learned coming back to android is to never update your apps off the charger. it took up more battery than i thought this afternoon (pulled about 4 updates and 100mb) and i'll just get into the habit of only updating when i get home or in the morning while its still on the charger.
[X Style (Pure) General] redwings8888:
My 2nd day now with this thing and I was at over 4.5 hours SOT with normal to heavy usage and still over 30% left when I got home. Loving the battery vs the 2014 X !!

Sent from my XT1575 using your mom
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
whoa....you are first one with 6+ hrs (4.5 + 30% left) of SOT on this phone I have seen so far. That's awesome battery life IMO!
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
who you calling goof...:D Check your math man! 4.5 hrs SOT with 30% left.

x/3 is approximation for 30% to make the math easier. x comes out to be around 6.75...:D So, if you had 33% left, your SOT when the battery dies would be 6.75hours. Take few minutes off for that 3% that I left off as approximation. And it is still 6.5 hrs.

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actually, this one is easier:

So, my approximate estimate of 6.5hours of SOT after subtracting for 3% in the above calculation was actually pretty good...;)

Another way to look at it: Assume 33% instead of 30%. You consumed 2/3rd of battery for 4.5hrs of SOT. 1/3rd will go for half of that = 2.25hrs. And hence total battery will go for 2.25+4.5=6.75 hrs.
[X Style (Pure) General] ronj1986:
The battery sucks....that's my short math calculation. The reality is IT WILL VARY depending on EACH PERSON'S USAGE. Use the device more and for more intensive tasks than your neighbor and your battery will need charging sooner than your neighbors.
[X Style (Pure) General] toyanucci:
MKB HD just released his review of the note 5 and it gave him 3.5 - 4hrs+ SOT so the MXP isn't so far off from the competition after all.

We'd all prefer more time, and I don't understand why manufacturers can't figure that out, but I just got ship notification for my MXP so I guess I'll find out soon enough if the battery is enough for me. It'll be better than my aging note 3 for sure though lol.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
A person just said he had SOT of 6.5hrs and you say battery sucks. What are people supposed to make of that? A logical conclusion would be that 6.5hrs SOT is crap for you....

OR

SOT is a pretty dang bad concept, and we need to move on....like I have been saying all along...:D
[X Style (Pure) General] goop99:
I think you just nailed one of the biggest issues with android manufacturers.

none of them are consistent.

at anything.

HTC might have been onto something with ultra pixel & dual cameras. but they threw it away

samsung may be onto something with edge displays, but they will STILL offer non-curved flagships

etc

etc.

None of these manufacturers seem to understand the power of brand. It's not hard to make a 4000mah smartphone, how much do you think Samsung pays their developers to keep pushing touchwiz onto the next device? the issue here isn't cost or design, it's just a failure at business.

and the irony is that if you have a brand-- that you have the best battery life on android-- that brand is going to cost you far less than developing dual cameras, securing OLED displays, building curved displays, etc. It's as simple as: yeah our phones are bigger and thicker. Any dweeb can design around that.
[X Style (Pure) General] toyanucci:
In their bid to run down apple, android manufacturers have all been running down thinner, lighter as their mantra, all at the expense of battery life. I'd take a thicker device that still looks good and gives great battery life. Idk why the 2 need to be mutually exclusive, if it's thick it's usually ugly and even worse, still doesn't give good battery life.

Front facing speakers, an amoled screen, a 4000 mah battery, nfc, a finger print scanner and any modern SOC with fast charging. Wrap that all in a nicely designed device and you have the perfect phone that will sell like hot cakes on a cold night. Removable storage as a bonus.
[X Style (Pure) General] adibeckett:
And please sell it for under $400 :(.
[X Style (Pure) General] cas8180:
Pocket now pretty much murdered the battery. Pretty much stating "you need to be a wall hugger"

https://youtu.be/qxq7Kt6Yq5A
[X Style (Pure) General] cyris69:
On my first actual 100% charge test I'm getting wonderful usage. I have the screen around 15-20% which is pretty bright to me. Not using any battery saver apps however did put location on GPS only mode.

This is where I'm at right now

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[X Style (Pure) General] markwebb:
Well guys and gals, after 1 week today with this phone it is a keeper: battery is tamed with some minor tweaks and right where I want it to be. Standby time is excellent which is also important to me. True, not as fast as N6 but very happy with this phone, especially for the price and because Moto released kernel source, so let the ROMS and kernels begin! Am pretty much done obsessing with this thread for now. Enjoy in whatever you decide! :)
[X Style (Pure) General] roaddaw9:
I agree, I been using this phone for a few days and the standby time has been awesome. It also feels solid when I am using. I had a Nexus 6 and the Moto X uses the battery so much better. I made a few tweaks to turn off things like the wave motion. Beyond that it is solid. Hopefully when we get Marshmallow it gets even better.
[X Style (Pure) General] PolishDude:
Is Facebook a big battery hog for most people on this phone? Maybe it's because my other phone used so many other things so much less effeciently that FB seemed like it wasn't using much of the batter but it seems like FB is the number one user of my battery life.
[X Style (Pure) General] mach01:
Hey! Can someone confirm if charging on a normal charger increases battery life? I heard somewhere that if you use the turbo charger (while amazing and totally amazing) doesn't fill the battery as much and it depletes faster than compared to a normal charger.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
I think the phone is too new to confirm this but as a general rule it is better to slow charge the battery. The turbo charger should be used when needed during the middle of the day.
[X Style (Pure) General] mach01:
Ok thanks. That helps a lot.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
Can't really compare other's use to yours and make a determination. It could be better, or worse than others report. If the device will last a day with my use like the Note 4 does, I will keep it.

I think though Marshmallow battery life assertions are exaggerated like Lollipop and we know how that turned out. Not great.
[X Style (Pure) General] goop99:
the quick charge is supposed to work within the thermal limits of the installed battery.

heat is the problem, not the speed of which it charges.

that's why the last 20% charge is slowest.

it should be fine
[X Style (Pure) General] sdelcegno:
My friend is getting 25 percent better battery life with his nexus 6 and andorid m.
[X Style (Pure) General] dmb219:
I'm happy with the battery life. It easily gets me through my day. I haven't checked the hours yet but it is doing well and I'm still stock with nothing turned off. Battery life is important especially if it isn't adequate for your needs but some of us enthusiasts dwell on it too much:).
[X Style (Pure) General] ronj1986:
I stated that the battery sucks from my personal experience. I am not complaining about his SOT. I am complaining about mine, which happens to be below 2.5 hours during a full cycle. I feel maybe my battery issues could be a result of signal quality where I work.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
Has anyone tried comparing battery times between 1. charge with turbo charger and 2. charge with regular charger? I have a feeling that turbo charged battery lasts less. And I have been reading up on it online and it seems like this might be worth exploring.

If indeed it is true, I will charge with regular charger over night and use the turbo charger only when I need to in a crunch.
[X Style (Pure) General] Bigal77:
That's what I do now with my m8. Makes no sense to use a turbo overnight. I keep one on my main floor, and will take my turbo charger at work.

Bedside I use a 1amp...takes 3 hrs to charge a phone but I sleep 6 so all good.

Also I don't think quick charge does that much damage. Were built for it
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
No, I did not mean that it reduces life of the battery (like in years). I meant that the juice that you get out of 100% charged battery using turbo and 100% charged using normal charger, is not same. Normally charged battery may last longer in terms of hours to count down to 0% compared to turbo charged battery.
[X Style (Pure) General] chindynasty:
Has anyone noticed battery or middle of the back panel getting slightly hot? I noticed when I was downloading from app store (lots of app, initial download) and also during charging.
[X Style (Pure) General] Ulver:
My phone was getting pretty toasty setting everything up, but that's understandable considering I was downloading tons of apps, syncing, and messing with the Moto voice actions.

Sent from my Moto X Pure Edition
[X Style (Pure) General] brholt6:
That's bound to heat up any phone. But, that's been reported on initial set up. You'll be fine after that.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
I agree.
[X Style (Pure) General] toyanucci:
I just went over to the moto x play forum and I'm shocked. They average about 5.5hrs SOT with many people getting 8hrs without any special configuration! Why did they neuter the moto x pure's battery by making it smaller than the play which is a lower tiered device?!
[X Style (Pure) General] cas8180:
Don't forget that the play is also running a much lower Soc I believe it's the snap dragon 615. The same chipset that's in my idol 3 and while this chipset is great at sipping battery it does have major lag issue's. So its a give and take.
[X Style (Pure) General] toyanucci:
But that's what confuses me. The play has a smaller 1080p screen and a SOC that uses less power, then why is that the device that gets 21% more battery capacity (3630 mah vs 3000 mah) even when the pure is bigger and could accommodate a larger battery? Makes no sense to me.
[X Style (Pure) General] tu3218:
x1000 this is what I don't get either. How can you put in a more battery hogging screen and processor, yet give it the smaller battery size. Crazy.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
Yeah. Motorola let it slip on that front. They should have gone with the same battery that they went for on Play. It would also have reduced costs because you would be buying the more bulk of the same component. But may be there was some engineering technical issue. We don't know.

How does the turbo charge work on Play? Does anyone know? Turbo charge on Pure is just flying. I can literally see the %age go up in front of my eyes....:D
[X Style (Pure) General] cas8180:
Agreed. Your logic is sound.
[X Style (Pure) General] SymbioticGenius:
For those of you that aren't familiar with Motorola, they don't release large battery equipped phones in the US because of an exclusivity agreement with Verizon and their DROID brand. That is all.

Luckily you can usually snag one online and they are usually unlocked or unlockable, only issue I had with the turbo was the boot loader was locked tight and I previously required root, now... After being unrooted on the M Preview... We'll see how I feel

Sent from my Nexus 6
[X Style (Pure) General] whatnow275:
What are the voltage and current outputs for the turbopower charger?
[X Style (Pure) General] MrMeeseeks:
Pretty good here. Mostly browsing and some YouTube videos, but I also don't have good service at my house.

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Sent from my Moto X Pure.
[X Style (Pure) General] jswclw:
Seems like this thread is based on a false pretense.
[X Style (Pure) General] johhn:
Think about the next phone, moto X force, it got almost everything including the high capacity battery. Perhaps Motorola doesn't want it to be overshadowed by x style

But the moto X Force won't come as cheap as X Style for sure.
[X Style (Pure) General] BootloopedMillennials:
Nailed it. The DROID brand is Motorola's US flagship.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
100% agree
[X Style (Pure) General] jonathanbailie:
My battery life on an average day. 25% brightness with auto/adaptive on, but I'm outside most of the day, so it is still pretty bright. All Moto features turned on except "lift to ear for voice commands". Don't think I had Bluetooth on, as I only really use it in my car. WiFi, data, NFC, and whatever else is turned on from the factory, is on. This is pretty much an out-of-the-box battery drain-down. Only thing I really did was turn down the brightness slider. Also GPS is on high accuracy because I use it daily for navigation. Chrome, and gmail was also used a good bit, followed by some YouTube and a little bit of Facebook.

I'm pretty pleased to get over 4 hours of SOT with this device. Seems a little bit better than my M8, which I loved the battery life on.

An aside: I never usually take my battery down this low, this was just to see how the battery life actually was for me. I'm normally around a charger 90% of my day, so if I need to charge, I can; and the turbo charger is faaaasssst :good:
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
Although, I have said in that past that SOT times are useless and very inconsistent measure depending how the device is tuned by the user and how it is used by her, I will throw in my SOT screenshots anyway, if not to give people some peace of mind that the battery in MXPE is not "crap" or "mediocre" or "average". Its all about how you use it.

I consistently can last a day without recharging with SOT of 5+ hours with still some juice left. So far, I have only charged my phone patiently through normal charger (to generate a baseline for comparison with turbo charger) to always full 100%, wifi and LTE ON at all times, disabled Motorola's "wake on approach" feature, and GPS is off (who wants to be tracked all day long? I turn it on when I do maps) and my brightness is set to 20-25% with auto-brightness off. I know this is not "stock" set of features, although its not very far from stock, but then again, this is my usage of the phone...;)

I think major battery suckers are: 1. screen, 2. GPS, 3. LTE in that order. If you can manage these without impacting your daily usage, you will get a very good battery life out of this phone.

I have decent T-Mobile connection most of the day, although at home (phone spends 2/3rd of the day here) I have a very weak signal at -115dBm. I think it does not matter because of the good wifi signal around the house.

Here are my screenshots. I have run halfway through battery with SOT of 3.5 hours (most of which is programming flows in Automate). The standby is excellent (you can see the flat line when I was asleep) on this stock phone.