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[Galaxy Note5 General] JulesJam:
To just expound upon this, Samsung wants to attract enterprise customers and other customers who care about having a secure phone. That is the majority of people out there and the majority of those who have the disposable income to buy Samsung's flagship devices.

Those of us who want to mod our phones, we are a drop in the ocean - the average person doesn't even know how to do minor customizations let alone flash a custom recovery. And the average person cares more about security than they do about customization. The average person on XDA is a young person who likely can't afford Samsung's flagships anyhow.

Samsung is competing with Apple's iPhone, not Google's Nexus. They don't care about the modding community as we aren't a significant group of customers that they are looking to attract.

I like my Note 5 because it has such nice hardware. I wish I could unlock the bootloader and root but I will take the Samsung camera and display over the Nexus 6P any day. As long as PDANet works for free WiFi tether on my UDP line, I am sticking with these high end Samsung flagships. They are the best hardware out there and that matters to me more than customizing the software.

I wish I could have both top of the line hardware and an unlocked bootloader on Verizon but I can't.
[Galaxy Note5 General] tonybahr:
I agree. It sucks but I still love my note 5. Luckily I got a smart watch to tinker with on fathers day and my daughters kindle is rocking beanstalk 6.0.1. Cures the itch a bit.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Freakyd9984@gmail.com:
Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
[Galaxy Note5 General] droidvoider:
There is partial developer root for Lolipop 5.11 but likely your phone has updated past that anyway. The best thing you can do is stop updates and hope that a huge security flaw is discovered that allows us to take ownership. But the real answer is if we made the mistake of buying an Android phone from AT&T or Verizon we got an expensive lesson. Phone worked awesome on Lolipop 5.11 and I had no idea the bootloader was so locked down.. Expensive lesson, never buy Android from a carrier research the correct source for the device you are interested in.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Freakyd9984@gmail.com:
Yea I Hurd that. I usually go with T-mobile but didn't this time so I bought a unlocked verizon note 5 , expensive mistake
[Galaxy Note5 General] droidzer1:
Not really a drop in the ocean as I just saw a study of phone users which stated 27.4% of smart phone users have rooted their phones. I believe they said that was around 400 Million !
[Galaxy Note5 General] ArchangelRenzoku:
I can't live without Viper4Android. Ever since I got bluetooth stereo over the ear headphones, Samsung equalizer settings have been underrepresented and for that high-quality audio sound from my music, I have to have this app. They now have a working version for the stock kernel w/o enforcing SEAndroid, but you still need root. Plus changing the GPS.conf on Samsung devices for faster gps locks. There's just too many needs I have not to have root. Screw Samsung Pay. I'll use my StratosCard when it comes.

TMobile ftw ✊
[Galaxy Note5 General] electrofryed:
Not Surprised
[Galaxy Note5 General] BobbyHenceMcGee:
You sold your Note 4 to get a Note 5?

WHY?
[Galaxy Note5 General] electrofryed:
Totally Agree.

Also made the jump from AT&T to TMO. Wifi calling and rhapsody can't be beat.
[Galaxy Note5 General] TheUndertaker21:
why does my decision bother you? lol people on the internet are funny
[Galaxy Note5 General] electrofryed:
It's just a matter of time. T-Mobile CEO has said numerous times "T-Mobile encourages unlocked bootloaders and full customization (root) of their smartphones and tablets"
[Galaxy Note5 General] BobbyHenceMcGee:
Gee I don't know, the fact they're very nearly the exact same device except for aesthetics and the massive price tag?
[Galaxy Note5 General] BobbyHenceMcGee:
Yeah unfortunately they don't seem to be encouraging Samsung all too well.. Maybe if they backed up their encouragement with a ".. Or we won't sell your device" then it'd work :)
[Galaxy Note5 General] TheUndertaker21:
thanks bro.

do you feel better now?
[Galaxy Note5 General] electrofryed:
This is also why I've been buying up jellybean phones. My company depends on an open and shareable SD card.

A message to Google, Samsung, AT&T, and Verizon: If you restrict your customers, eventually, they will go somewhere else. (locked bootloaders, locked ext SD cards, locked SIM cards, locked WiFi calling, DATA restrictions, ect)
[Galaxy Note5 General] voxluna:
That's only on the T-Mobile device. If you trip KNOX on an AT&T or Verizon phone, you're stuck at a warning screen when you boot the phone. No Samsung Pay, no anything.
[Galaxy Note5 General] rdfry:
This is Verizon and AT&T being a holes
[Galaxy Note5 General] Snowby123:
Why do so many of you use such course language? I have similar feelings as you with this article but really? Children read these forums. Try to follow all the forum rules. Be more mature.
[Galaxy Note5 General] FiniteDGk:
Just got off the phone to get a working S6 (wouldn't boot when I got it lmao) today to. Was hoping for a version that was rootable. Probably not going to happen. Guess I also wasted money on my new OTG adapter.

Sigh. Should have gotten the N6. I also should have known things would turn out this way though. Just joined the band wagon for AT&T and got my first Samsung device. If they don't want people rooting, don't give them one. Simple. If they want profits, open up a bit. Be a little more diverse and cater to each different need with a different product. It's really not helping them. As a person who's helped ran a business, I know first hand that favoriting one side will always come back later. Rant over and off to bed phew. Apologize if I'm just making no sense ahead of time new meds aren't our friends. :)
[Galaxy Note5 General] ArchangelRenzoku:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit. They have a much better handle on their network now (in terms of control, not coverage or bandwidth -- lets not get that started, people --).

I agree about forum rules... but that aside, what children read tech forums like this besides the youth enthusiasts that are more exposed to the world (in all its profane glory) than we are? Heck, any kid I've met between 5-13 had dropped a swear here and there. It's not always the environment, it's how parents manage it. So I suppose if you are a parent, you are doing your part in trying to manage that and I wish you luck :good:
[Galaxy Note5 General] cdm283813:
Technically it's not Samsung slamming the hammer. It's Verizon and AT&T telling Samsung to do this to make it appeal to corporate customers. And while it sucks that Samsung pay will not work on rooted devices can you really blame them. Look at what just happened this week alone. Nothing is safe.

Your true option is Nexus. Let's hope that it's Verizon compatible.
[Galaxy Note5 General] whmgreen:
I've read that with android m will come full app data backup option
[Galaxy Note5 General] skepticmisfit:
nexus 6s are sold by verizon directly. fully unlockable, no bloatware on stock ROM if you wanted to use that. speedy updates. dream phone for most of us here. and me.

i'm on a locked-bootloader s4 and will never again go for samsung. their nutsack-licking for verizon really is becoming insane
[Galaxy Note5 General] blazervsion:
That's fine. But they have a special Knox version just for them, and a regular version for the rest of us.
[Galaxy Note5 General] all0gIc:
awesome!
[Galaxy Note5 General] TheLoonyRebel:
Exactly. Between no micro SD card slot, no removable battery, and now this... I'll stick with my LG G3 gladly.
[Galaxy Note5 General] iB4STiD:
a permissive kernel would get around the device not booting after rooting i believe, the problem is, if the bootloader can not be unlocked then u could not flash a kernel!

just att & vzw trying to kill exploits if one is found..
[Galaxy Note5 General] Deathbyillusion:
So I have a T-Mobile Galaxy Note 5 and I want to root my device but is there anything out yet? I haven't been able to find anything yet besides this site: https://www.androidroot.us.com/how-to-root-samsung-note-5/ is this a legit one click root app? I downloaded the exe and scanned it in Kaspersky and said there was no threats. I installed it and now the app is open and asking me to connect my device. I don't want to try it yet unless I know its real. I don't want ruin my GN5.

It also says it can one click root other devices too.

Also I use google wallet and could care less about Samsung Pay for now as I use Google Wallet and also Google Wallet lets you use it on a rooted device. My theory is if companies wont let you run their payment system on a rooted device that leads me to think they think they would have vulnerabilities which people on rooted device could hack their app which isn't something good to think or hear about. They need to make their app secure on all aspects. But besides that how does the Samsung Pay detect root? Could we use Root Cloak from Xposed Installer to make it hide the detection of root for Samsung Pay or maybe XPrivacy or is the way it detects root more sophisticated then that and those apps wont simply get around that? I used to have ISIS Mobile Wallet before Google purchased for Google Wallet and it wouldn't work on rooted devices but using Root Cloak to hide the root made it work fine and could use everything in the app normal.
[Galaxy Note5 General] BazBaz:
Samsung just wants to look pretty it seems. They don't care about us tweakers, they care about the Apple users. The Note 5 is not for us, but for them. No sd, no removable battery, no rooting. "I am NOT buying this phone", that's what they want you to say.

Well i'm not buying this phone. Will wait for the next gen. Or buy another brand.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
I disagree. While we may not like the device being locked down it's in Samsung's best interest. They want to have their devices in the workplace, and the workplace wants to make sure any mobile device with access to their network and data is secure.

There are companies that will let you use your own device but tell you that it will not allow you to use it if it's rooted.

Since the fall of blackberry which is what most companies used they have turned to Apple because they are locked down. Samsung wants their piece of the corporate office pie and compete against their rival, Apple.

It would be great if they put out two devices, or at least made one device and should a company decide to distribute them to their employees, their admins could lock it down using Samsung software.

Verizon and AT&T being the 2 largest carriers also want their piece of corporate devices, so they are offering locked down Samsung devices for those who don't want iPhones.
[Galaxy Note5 General] BazBaz:
You don't agree, yet you confirm what i said?
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
I didn't confirm anything you said.

You said Samsung only cares about looking pretty and they care about Apple users.

I said they care about having their devices used for corporate offices.

That is not even close to what you said.
[Galaxy Note5 General] TechBSwift:
Guys, simply stop buying Samsung devices and stop recommending them to friends and family. Sometimes people have to fall from the top to remember how they got there. That includes Verizon and Samsung. If this was 2 years ago it would be a huge deal, but today we have so many amazing devices and more to come. Now that it looks like the nexus will come with a solid camera and fingerprint scanner it's time to finally walkway from Samsung happily. Most of the devs have already taken this approach and it's time for you too!! Stay positive boys, and in the words of a great philosopher "keep your head up", and for those who will continue to complain about Verizon and Samsung "I ain't mad at you". Lol lol

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[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
Enjoy your 2hrs of SOT and overheating
[Galaxy Note5 General] voxluna:
Two hours would be a worst-case scenario for that phone. But at least he can change out the battery for a spare.
[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
I have this phone a Mate7 and a Oneplus One... All have sealed batteries with no need to swap them out.... Why because they last all day and some and don't overheat like the G3
[Galaxy Note5 General] shaarky:
Well, well, well Samsung.... my 1st Android device Galaxy I9000, second device Galaxy S3 I9300, third could be S IV "but KNOX".... now I'm happy still with LG G3.

Future -> simply the one which allows me to control the device how I want and how I device, not how "big brother" wants - it is ridiculous how far this went.

It seems that Samsung gonna be next Blackberry, "good luck". :good: ...and Good Bye for ever.

I will be looking on your Business results ...

https://goo.gl/0KPUuz

http://www.statista.com/statistics/293197/samsung-units-mobile-phone-sales-worldwide/
[Galaxy Note5 General] voxluna:
Barring some unforeseen and remarkable change on the playing field, I imagine Samsung will be around quite a while. Blackberry died because there was a fundamental shift from buttons to touchscreens, the widespread desire for the app economy thanks to Apple, and the ubiquity of Google -- a perfect storm, if you will. They also thought that business customers would be their bread and butter. Samsung's model is set firmly on consumers, who are (of course) the biggest potential source of revenue by far.
[Galaxy Note5 General] gee2012:
I had the G3 and SOT was between 3.5 and 4.5 hours (for me at least) :)

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Flashers and modders/devs are only a small percentage of the Sammy costumers unfortunately, so that will not hit their wallet too bad :)

Its more concerning that (US) Telco`s can add a lot of extra stuff to prevent rooting and modding and even diasble the phone if its rooted :(
[Galaxy Note5 General] Ozzief16a:
Could Samsung Mobile Payments app be re-enabled by going back to a stock ROM state on the phone?
[Galaxy Note5 General] Clandaries:
I cant understand this. I buy a phone for 700 Euro and can not make what i want with it. So it is not my phone?

When i buy something it is mine and i want to do with it what i want. isnt that right?
[Galaxy Note5 General] gee2012:
Probably not if KNOX is tripped i presume.

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Its yours all right, but you have to agree with the OEM conditions and you may never make changes to the system to gain root access and some services may even be diasbled if you do so. At your own risk that is ;) Warranty however can never be denied if you root the phone( at least in the EU) unless rooting the device is proven to be the culprit of the defect.
[Galaxy Note5 General] shaarky:
Well, yes, but - we are a community (XDA - Members: 6,667,832 ). We are "letting" the others know... we are being asked and consulted, what is a "good" device worth of money and what would be our recommendation. ... I simply don't like, as one - not important and not powerful men, but it is my personal point of view, which I will be however spreading around, when I will be asked. Hopefully some of XDA members will join. Last word from my side here/this thread, will be keeping eye definitively of future development.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Snowby123:
Since the phone will be impossible to root, what does that mean for development?
[Galaxy Note5 General] LiQuiD_FeAR:
sending it back to wait for the note5 active
[Galaxy Note5 General] lunburger:
Yeah, you pretty much summed that up right. 700 Euro for permanently renting a phone from big brother.

And like the guy above said, yeah we are a community, and I often get asked by friends/family which phone would be "good" also, even though half of them will never root their phones, I will simply never ever recommend a Samsung device again, perhaps even add in some lies to make them completely against "upgrading" to a Samsung.

We may not represent a large enough fraction of users just here on XDA, but the people we influence is a rather huge number, everyone knows who the nerd in their family is, and more often than not they will consult before spending money.

Its our job to inform these would-be customers to stay the hell away from any Samsung smartphone. -- And those who do buy them and come around to show off their new samsung, it's our job to recommend exchanging it for a different brand, most if not all carriers do a 14 or 30 day swap. It's personal now.

And for those of you defending Samsung, saying it's the carriers' fault; actually no, it IS absolutely Samsungs fault. HTC gets the same crap from the carriers but they offer an online tool to freely unlock your bootloader if you so choose to do so. This is whats called owning a phone, the freedom to make choices with your hardware. Go Nexus, go HTC, die samsung.
[Galaxy Note5 General] catseyenu:
Blackberry died because they didn't listen to the market's demands, period.

Give customers what they want or GTFO.

Samsung "wanna be" Blackberry and iPhone?

How about listening to the customers that made you successful?

Stick with what has worked instead of tossing the baby out w/ the bath in an attempt to parrot other companies?

/The difference between leaders and losers.
[Galaxy Note5 General] stu5797:
Just disable KNox with Package disabler pro...
[Galaxy Note5 General] TechBSwift:
There won't be and development for Verizon or AT&T period... If it's true and you can't not boot the phone if you gain root, that means you will never have root because you can't flash a different kernel with a locked bootloader... Looks like your only chance of obtaining root is to get a different phone... Maybe nexus

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[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
There won't be any development for the att and verizon version. For att users your best bet will be get a tmobile version and sim unlock it. The bootloader is unlocked out the box and it will have development. For verizon users either run stock or grab a nexus.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
Or leave Verizon and go to t-mobile. I think that's what I'm doing.

I really enjoy using s-note and the s pen so the Nexus as well as any other device is out for me. I also like having all apps available in multi window.

Since lmt works without root and I can use helium instead of titanium backup, I'd be willing to part with root if I could get all apps in multi window out of the box, but since Samsung won't implement that I may have to give t mobile's coverage a shot.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Snowby123:
T-Mobile gets NO network coverage where I live, and the nearest customer service center is ~200 miles away :(
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
My biggest concern is coverage. I have one friend and one co-workers that I've asked about their experience with t-mobile. Both said very few dropped calls and the GPS works well.

I know if I go that route I'll be taking a chance. However, dropping $800 down for the Note 5, then have Verizon dictate to me what I can and can't do with my own property will be very difficult for me to handle.
[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
The phone hardware is your property but the software is not. You only have a license to "USE" it. Also they have to make sure that their devices are secure and root alone is not very secure. Mainly when it comes to most people. I advise people not to root their devices unless they can explain what root is and why they need it. IF they cant then they have no business rooting their device.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
Ok, I'll give you that on the software.

As for root, I use root everyday at work on AIX and Linux. I know what it is and why I need it.
[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
Wel see that makes you part of the .01% of the users both here and not that has a use for root. To be flat out honest most people even here has no business rooting their device. All they care about is flashing roms and messing around with things they dont understand and are to lazy to try and understand.

I cant blame them for locking it down. If people want an unlocked device then they can buy a device from EU or T-mobile. Either way they will most likely also have the efuze which will pop and void warranty the first time anything is flashed
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
As much as I enjoy flashing ROMs I don't need to do that. I like root for having all apps in multi window, the landscape lockscreen, 4 way boot menu, xposed, and the geek in me likes using the terminal emulator and busybox so I can run cron to schedule my reboots, and running sar and vmstat to see which how each individual cpu core is performing and check the memory utilization.

I also understand that they want to get their devices in the door for corporate use to further compete with apple, and securing the device will assist them in that regard.

However, I see no reason why they couldn't have the software available to be controlled by any company's admin for their devices and let regulars users use it if they want to do so.
[Galaxy Note5 General] zelendel:
Alot of companies are outsourcing their IT departments and dont want to have to deal with tons of devices that have to be configured. They want to buy 100 devices that they know all they will have to do is set them up to be logged in to their email servers and then hand them out. Plus it is well known that samsung wants to lock their devices down worst then fort knox. They are still trying to push tizen on users which is even more closed then what they do now.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pool_shark:
Samsung got me hooked on s note. Other devices have multi window though I don't know what it looks like. If it wasn't for s note I'd just pick a different device.

Yes, many companies have outsourced their IT department, but many also decided it was more cost effective to simply have many of their IT staff pull double or triple duty.

They like to call it cross training.

I started my current job doing AIX, now I'm doing AIX, Linux, WebSphere administration, open VMS, and anything else they throw at me that I can figure out.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Divine_Madcat:
Its funny, as time goes on, i would be happier not to root, but sadly, in order to achieve certain things.... we are left with no choice. If makers didn't restrict certain customization (looking right at you S-Finder and Quick Connect....), bake in non-removable bloatware, or wait months (or years) to patch vulnerabilities or other bugs (memory management), root would be much easier to live without. I do enjoy it for other side tweaks like V4A and Xposed, but that is more the tweaker at heart.. i could live without it if needed.

Mind you, i hate the whole software licencing thing (just a personal feeling, but i own the phone, and *MY* copy of everything on it.. if i choose to screw it up, so be it...); but that is a different issue.
[Galaxy Note5 General] g4nj4b4by:
...this coming from senior moderator....yikes....bow to your corporate masters.
[Galaxy Note5 General] voxluna:
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/50-users-root-phones-order-remove-built-apps-one.html
[Galaxy Note5 General] EncryptedCurse:
The justification for KNOX is absurd. It's not like the Galaxy line caters towards the business market. Knowing how many unnecessary models Samsung puts out yearly, I'm not sure why they can't design yet another one specifically for enterprise use.

Not even Apple is this bad.