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[Galaxy Note5 General] jthrasher47:
I have refrain from commenting in this thread but I can't help it any longer..

How do you guys put the dang thing in backwards??

You can clearly feel the pin side on your fingertips and then you actually have to click it in while you feel the pen end at your fingertips I mean I know stuff happens from time to time or with children but he would give their children a $900 device to play with especially with a pen that they could choke on come on guys... got to do better
[Galaxy Note5 General] whoamanwtf:
I am with jtrasher47 on this one, why would you put it in backwards? Don't test this obviously it is an expensive phone... As for accidentally... Pay attention! Clicky goes down!
[Galaxy Note5 General] sharingan5791:
Please don't take my comment out of context. I was replying to someones post. Someone who was complaining that Samsung could have made it harder to put the spen in the wrong way. Which to me personally is him or her shifting blame on the company and not owning up to his own action. Which irritates me greatly. I do stupid stuff everyday but I don't blame others. I take responsibility for my actions...
[Galaxy Note5 General] JasonJoel:
You're right, I was out of line. Sorry.

I think I need to go take a walk. Clearly I'm in a bad mood.

By the way, I love my note 5 so far. And I haven't managed to insert the pen backyards yet. ;)
[Galaxy Note5 General] sharingan5791:
You have a right to be in a bad mood it's only Tuesday.

And Im betting there's a very large percentage whos managed that. But if you see on the Note 6 a tab tagged on the spen reading don't stick in backwards. Everyone on this thread will remember this post and know why ?
[Galaxy Note5 General] lordhamster:
#Pengate.
[Galaxy Note5 General] serpent2005:
My opinion is Samsung should make it difficult or impossible to insert the pen the wrong way especially if doing so will break the device. Thanks to this thread I will be extra careful NOT to insert the pen in backwards!
[Galaxy Note5 General] LocoBaZuka:
I have the note 3 right in front of me and the spen will not go in backwards.

I'm sure I could force it, but it does not slide right in.
[Galaxy Note5 General] faslane:
Here's a Gizmodo article showing/explaining it also. Since Samsung has stripped their main flagship of many features and are touting the Note 5 S-pen and screen as major selling points, this is a pretty big oopsie in my opinion.....

http://gizmodo.com/this-is-how-the-s-pen-can-break-your-brand-new-note-5-1726353669

Fas
[Galaxy Note5 General] ryanalan82:
I wasn't looking for anymore reasons to bash this phone more than I already have. I'm not even going to add the s pen thing into why Samsung failed with this yrs note. This is user error, and a funny one at that.
[Galaxy Note5 General] slyjai:
My brother made a YouTube video about how I broke my Note 5 by putting the S-Pen in backwards. At first i was pissed at myself for the stupidity of my action. Luckily my carrier switched it out for a new device so I can laugh about it. Check it out. https://youtu.be/4AeqNPCLW2M
[Galaxy Note5 General] blair287:
How can people be so retarded? It's a design flaw never heard anything so stupid in all my life, if you put the wrong fuel in your car is the car faulty no the user is an idiot.
[Galaxy Note5 General] ryanalan82:
Ha just read a slashgear article. Samsung responded by saying, read the instructions.

http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-note-5s-so-called-pengate-who-should-be-responsible-25399295/
[Galaxy Note5 General] slyjai:
There were not any instructions in the box although it was buried in their website.
[Galaxy Note5 General] barry99705:
Unless you drive a diesel, you can't put the wrong fuel in your car.

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The instructions they made after the fact? Yea, that'll help. :good:
[Galaxy Note5 General] mgs2015:
I'm a little curious about something. If Samsung thought it's a bad idea to let a kid play with a $900 device why did they make a kids mode for that said device?
[Galaxy Note5 General] ryanalan82:
How many people are going to defend letting any kids handle their new phone, and think everything is going to be just fine......Lol. I used to live next to a scumbag couple who had 2 lil brats they let run wild. The mom would get a new phone to replace a broken one cause she is doesn't understand the value of money. I at that time had a rooted/romed/anthrax kerneled eVo 3d(have had all 3 eVos)that I wouldn't let anyone touch cause they were kinda irreplaceable at that point. I would go out to my car and end up seeing her lil brats rubbing her phone glass side down into the driveway. She would do nothing about it, except get another phone 2 months later, while *****ing about the messed up phone during that time. The dad was always trying to borrow a ps3 controller cause the brats broke his. Like I wanna lend you my anything, what so they can brake it, make it sticky with who knows what, throw it around. Man I wanted to smack the **** out of all of them. Don't let your kids touch your expensive electronics. If you value them, then you will keep it in your pocket, up high, or somewhere else out of reach. Anyways not one person even reported that. That's not what happened. These were adults that should have known better, should be aware of what they are doing with a new $800 device. Let me drop the phone on the ground and say, oh Samsung's fault, I shouldn't pay a dime, replace my phone cause I can't spend a half a second to notice which end is which.

Half a second of taking notice which end is which is really what we are talking about here. That's not up to Samsung or Apple, Ford, Chevy, or McDonald's to babysit everyone 24/7.
[Galaxy Note5 General] v2.2v:
Or we can be held responsible for our own mistake? I wouldn't replace a single one of these if I were Samsung. This is also a slippery phone...Do they replace the ones that slip out of your hand and break? Nope...it's your responsibility to be careful.
[Galaxy Note5 General] md1008:
Samsung needs us to stay in business, without Samsung we will do just fine there a million other oems to chose from. This is just Samsung chosing design over functionality. They could have had some sort of mechanicism to prevent this from happening like the 4 previous notes but they didn't. Putting in the spen backwards is so trivial that it should render it's functionality useless. So Samsung has 2 options to either to replace the note 5, repair the damaged ones and and use it as a refurb or use it for parts and on top of that right off a tax right off, or can simply do nothing and watch media sensationalize this issue and deal with bad publicity plus turn away future sales. But hey its not like Samsung's profit margins are not already thin. It's not like they are competing with Apple or anything stupid like that who will gladly take the Samsung customers and turn them on to their eco system

No matter who is at fault Samsung should offer a free 1 time replacement and if they are not going to do anything all future phones should have a big warning that is not buried in some website manual

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It's 2015 kids as young as 5 are getting smart phones. Whether or not you believe they should have them is irrelevant. Samsung, Apple, HTC etc are all eager to accept parents money for their spoiled kids.

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So I was able to pull out the top cap from the whole. The spen itself is pretty damaged. And spen detection appears to be damaged as well mostly buy occasionally it still works. I will try using my note 10.1 spen to see if it still works. Spen detection is nice and all but not really a deal breaker. As long as I can still use the spen I am happy. As soon as spend become available for note 5 I will buy it. At least I don't have to deal with a hole lol
[Galaxy Note5 General] wolters_ryan:
I owned the original Note, Note 2, 3, and 4... granted I'm back on my S5 now, but it's pretty safe to say that I've been around the park a couple times with these devices so here's my opinon.

It's really a double edge sword.. call it what you like, a design flaw, an unnecessary feature, or a gift from above. It's here to stay if you own the device. On one hand, it clearly states in the manual (if you read it, I won't judge or blame you if you don't), and I quote from page 25 "Be sure to insert your S Pen with the nib pointing inward". You could say that this is a stupid excuse to get out of admitting a design flaw, or you could say it's reading the directions and using the pen as intended.. you can't win. You can only have an opinion. Mine personally is that it's a new feature that has not been implimneted before and I think we have all gotten use to the way things were from our past Note product line use. (Remember the "dreaded" one way in one way out S Pen on the Note 2)? I could go on and on but I think that this will blow over and people will get use to the design and appreciate it.. but hey.. I'm just rambling. If you don't agree with me, we can agree to disagree.

Sent from my SM-G900T
[Galaxy Note5 General] georgie96:
i did it too

I was stupid enough to do this after seeing the android police article and I went to best buy and first the guy was like you need to go to a phone repair shop and I was like I'm pretty sure i can still exchange it since it's under the 14 days so I was able to get a new note 5. This is a big mistake on samsungs part.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Lancerz:
I'm gonna go put diesel fuel in my car now and call the manufacturer and make them replace my car since the engine failed. People can't seriously think that Samsung should be at fault for their stupidity, can they? I'm lost lol.
[Galaxy Note5 General] cpufrost:
It will look funny when you have to use a funnel to do this! :p

I guess all the demo phones in the store won't have working s-pen detection now because everyone is going to do this. It's not nearly as obvious as dumb kids picking up iphone 6+s in the apple store and bending them!

I agree, TBH it would never happen to me personally however when you have a device that will be damaged if something is inserted the wrong way, there is always a safeguard usually in the form of mechanical restriction, aka resistance. Most are taught if it's hard to do, STOP, don't FORCE it, you will break it! But no, this is like a trap, it slides right in and there goes your s-pen detection into the light of oblivion!

It is a design flaw because it's not people-proof!

Don't even get me started about kids and touching things! :rolleyes:

For years I was a system builder and back when AMD had bare core (flip chip) design they were criticized for not having thermal protection as if a chip was powered up with no heatsink it was instantly destroyed. I was fine with this as system builders (should be) properly trained and have common sense.

Expecting this from everyone is not good design practice. People make mistakes no matter how ridiculous they seem. This is why safeguards is a billion dollar industry and while many laugh, those that have life or limb saved are glad they were there even though they did something very wrong. (and generally stupid!)

And like I said before this hits major news the troubled teens of today will be hitting up the stores for some pengate action. It's human nature.

This could have been prevented by having the back of the pen keyed so it can only be inserted one way, etc.

Sounds silly, but this has the potential to cost SEC a lot!
[Galaxy Note5 General] Kaboose666:
Honestly I would expect them to replace phones damaged by this in the first few days after purchase, but I bet samsung is going to say piss off to anyone who does this in 4-6+ months down the road, and honestly I agree with them. Anyone who does this at this point is either an idiot or someone who saw it and either wants to use it maliciously (dropped the phone so it has a small dent, better shove my s-pen in backwards to get samsung to replace it), or doing it just to see if it actually works.

In either case, I hope samsung doesn't just replace these idiots devices, it would get abused so easily if they did that. I know sooooo many people who would destroy their own **** to get it replaced with a brand new one if they thought they could.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Toneman07:
So for kicks and giggles I decided to put the pen in upside down - slid it in and was able to wiggle it back out without forcing it or breaking anything. It did catch about half way out, but by gently rolling the pen left to right, i was still able to remove it. For those who find themselves in this situation, it may be worth the effort to use a little patience instead of just freaking out.
[Galaxy Note5 General] CTXz:
Well done xda! :D http://m.gsmarena.com/galaxy_note5_...ne_when_inserted_the_wrong_way-news-13701.php
[Galaxy Note5 General] planetbeen:
Ugh. Seidio shared an android central article about this too. Popped up on my Facebook news feed.

I still can't picture putting the pen in upside-down. Since I have a note 2 there's only one way mine will go in.

I've never found myself trying to put the wrong side in only to be stopped because it didn't fit.

What a weird problem.

Anyone who gets a phone replaced for this issue should count themselves lucky. You know that when you got it stuck and saw it was upside-down you didn't say to yourself, "oh, it doesn't go in that way?". You said "$#@)'! I put it in upside-down!"

Lucky for people that they're getting a second chance. I can't imagine the carriers / stores and Samsung continuing to replace phones for this issue for long.

On a positive "note" maybe they'll decide to redesign the phone and while they're at it they'll add back the SD card, removable battery and IR blaster! :P fat chance.
[Galaxy Note5 General] geoff5093:
So let me get this straight. You read the article that said putting the S-pen in backwards would damage your phone and S-Pen, and you proceeded to do it anyways?

These are the people that should not own a smartphone.
[Galaxy Note5 General] chaosclarity:
Are you some of you REALLY that ignorant???! How do you put the pen in backwards? You are older than 5 right? :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note5 General] derfnoslen:
Is Samsung some type of deity or something. Can we criticize it without people name calling. They should've made it like the Note 3 where you couldn't put the pen in backwards without force.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Dj_senjaya:
or you can try some patch like this? :D:D:D
[Galaxy Note5 General] JasonJoel:
Yes it is a design flaw / stupid design.

No it is not the end of the world, and few people will actually do this / have this problem.

Does that summarize things adequately?
[Galaxy Note5 General] shawnten:
i laugh at anyone who would think its ok to put the pen in backwards. all this time I thought the problem was putting it in upside down and I was like damn that sucks but if your putting it in actually backwards shame on you. Pay a little attention to what your doing. it will go a long way in life in general
[Galaxy Note5 General] md1008:
Update the spen detector randomly sets off when pen is inserted. T-Mobile said I have to wait 14 days to return. The spen was always a little off though, even before I made the mistake because sometimes it wouldn't write like it start to write but then it would stop

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Turn off spen detector if it's damaged and you will be fine. Not to mention doing so may extend battery life, so this maybe a good thing TBH
[Galaxy Note5 General] serpent2005:
This information should be on the front page and stickied if it truly is a way to undo a bad decision or mistake! I was dumb enough to put the spen in backward and it is currently on its way to a Samsung Repair Facility. I would have loved to have tried this method though. On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being most difficult, how difficult is it to get the spen out using this method?

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You're lucky. The Best Buy where I bought it said they won't replace it because it's not a manufacturer defect. I gently reminded them it's been less than 14 days and I have the option to return the phone. They responded by saying I can't return it anymore because it's damaged.
[Galaxy Note5 General] derfnoslen:
Yes. But what happens now? It's on Samsung to respond to the situation and fix it. And as of now, they're failing. I can see a bunch of people on the internet blaming ppl but for Samsung to do it is wrong. They don't even offer a free repair option. It's an $800 phone I mean come on.

Samsung knows damn well nobody reads the manual, and it's not in the box. You have to go online and download the PDF. This response was a reaction not a preventive measure. If they knew it would break the phone why not make sure people got the memo. I'm just over it, lmao. Samsung is a mess.
[Galaxy Note5 General] JasonJoel:
It is up to samsung whether they want to fix it or not. It may be their opinion that it will happen to so few people that they will just replace as needed for those few as opposed to redesigning the device.
[Galaxy Note5 General] nsugleris:
Can they address this just with an update to the S-pen?
[Galaxy Note5 General] Redcyberhawk:
Probably, but for current users, they will just have to stick with what they have.
[Galaxy Note5 General] v2.2v:
It's not about Samsung being a "deity"....it's about people not paying attention, ruining their $800 phone, and finding anything/anyone to blame but themselves. You can also easily put diesel fuel in your tank by accident when at the gas station. Is that a vehicle flaw? No. Pay attention to what you're doing to your very expensive device.
[Galaxy Note5 General] dmaynard83:
Diesel fuel and the s pen aren't exactly the same thing. The s pen is something that people use daily and if for whatever reason (not paying attention,lights off, kids play with phone) this happens you are out $800.

This is definitely a design flaw.
[Galaxy Note5 General] DAvid_B:
I don't agree, many fuel pumps have diesel right on the same pump. It's a pretty good analogy I think.
[Galaxy Note5 General] v2.2v:
Yea gas stations are rarely used lol :what: You're not understanding my point. If you don't pay attention to what you're doing....that would make the problem yours...
[Galaxy Note5 General] The_Tech_Ninja:
My take on this whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upo_RFMXv5Y
[Galaxy Note5 General] Dan37tz:
I guess that analogy kinda works but the S-Pen on the Note 5 slides in both ways just as smooth and easy. A diesel pump nozzle is made larger than a standard gasoline nozzle, it will not fit in (doesn't stop idiots from filling up their non-compatible cars with diesel anyways!)

I just tried putting an S-pen on a Note 3 backwards, it takes considerable force to just get it into the hole initially, but then after that it slides in and hits a stop 3/4 of the way. Comes right back out without any drama.

Definitely 100 times easier to put the S-Pen in backwards on a Note 5. There is no warning until it's too late, It goes in smoothly either way. On the Note 3 there is major initial resistance, you know something is wrong right away which would alert you to your pen's orientation.

Haven't tried with a Note 4.
[Galaxy Note5 General] Toneman07:
It took a few minutes - My pen still works coming in and out of the phone and triggering Air Command to open. XDA Analysis and Opinion has a break down with images of whats happening. I did not force my pen in all the way - only about half way (past the first lever) If someone managed to force it all the way in and tripped the second mechanical lever- chances are there is no recovery from this.

If anyone wants to read the article or look at the picture:

http://9to5google.com/2015/08/25/ex...e-note-5s-s-pen-is-put-in-backwards-teardown/

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That's interesting - I also attempted this on the note 3 last night and could not even get the pen in upside down. The hooked edge was fatter than the hole.
[Galaxy Note5 General] serpent2005:
Someone in the comments of that article suggested cutting a drink straw such that it would wrap around the SPen, slide it down to push lever1 down, and pull out the SPen. Conceptually, it sounds like it might work. Hopefully, someone with this problem can give it a try and report back.
[Galaxy Note5 General] s1lenz:
I've been hearing this ****ty diesel in a gas tank comparison for the last week. It doesn't add up.

1. Depending on your country, in most gas stations, the diesel pump is in a separate island away from the gas pump ( http://wtvt.images.worldnow.com/images/24973904_SA.jpg ). Even if it isn't, the button says "DIESEL". Sometimes they have warning flaps like this ( http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/disp...s-and-diesel-on-a-petrol-station-76239610.jpg )

2. Cars that were manufactured in the last two decades have a plate under the gas cap preventing anything but the normal gasoline nozzle from fitting into the tank. Have you ever tried to press the trigger on a gas nozzle and nothing comes out? Then you have to re-shuffle the nozzle to get it to start? It's because the plate hasn't been activated in your car.

3. Even if all that you were to get the diesel pump out, diesel nozzles don't fit into gas tanks unless you force the nozzle in the tank. ( http://brokensecrets.com/2010/06/09/diesel-fuel-nozzles-dont-fit-in-standard-fuel-cars/ )You don't have to force anything in the s-pen slot to get it to work. There is zero resistance when you slide the pen in backwards ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQB0TFcdFIs ).

Bottom line: Somebody took the time to design gas and diesel pumps. Can't say the same for s-pens.