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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] KennyG123:
Yeah, I have to agree with you there...perhaps they are counting on publicity and the fear factor of a few sacrifices to discourage any attempts at finding a solution. I miss the days of the S3 where you can flash just about anything and still recover if you screwed up. This is what keeps me stuck on Sprint. Can't go to T-Mobile because there is basically only LTE literally on the highways here.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
I agree that it still has to be FCC compliant and should not give everything for free like your other tv example. But here is my issue. I can buy a computer from bestbuy and put linux on it or modify whatever i want. Secondly I understand it is using verizon bands etc but why is this just verizon & AT&T??? Seems a little bit odd that it is just them. Why do they care unlike tmo and sprint that probably have unlockable bootloaders. I get the military/corporate discounts but at least offer a developer edition. But is there really not a law that says the carrier can shut your phone down? Doesn't there always have to be an emergency call option? I need to do some legal digging and see I find it odd that a carrier can disable a phone for any reason!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] KennyG123:
I am with you..just trying to explain Big Red's and AT&T's logic....they got the power by having the best coverage in the US..they are #1 and #2 there...I am sure they have worked with the military, government, corporate and all Exchange users to ask what they would need to sign big contracts with them...of course the answer is always that these mini-computers be as secure as possible.....then these carriers worked with Samsung to provide these solutions. I am not sure why T-Mobile and Sprint have not followed suit...we would need to see more of the deal between Sammy and Verizon to know how much engineering costs and exclusivity is in there...perhaps it is out of the lower two's budget.

Now as far as legality..you are attempting to modify the phone against the carrier's instructions which results in a brick...legalwise is that much different than expecting it to be able to dial 911 if you throw it against the wall? Both things are not supported by the carrier or manufacturer. The carrier is not disabling the phone...you are by attempting an unauthorized procedure. (Just devil's advocate here)

With so many hackers out there trying desperately to get at your identity and banking information (all done with cell phones now), and vulnerabilities being discovered daily, expect security to only get tighter and tighter going forward. The point of vulnerabilities may become moot if the phone is so locked down against any root functions and unauthorized use.

You do have options though...a Nexus.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
Someone will root the device. To date there has never been an unrootable device
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
Verizon note 4

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I know you are and as far as an unauthorized procedure does Verizon list in their statement about rooting phones??
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
Originally it was rootable. Updates have made it locked
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
Still counts though lol it's current state it isn't
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JasonJoel:
Void to you maybe, but not them... and it's their network...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] elliwigy:
lol I have a rooted vzw s6 edge as do many others..

not saying youre wrong in what you say their arguments are.. just saying they are losing lol since those of us that want rooted unlocked devices typically find a way regardless whether we buy off contract device like the 5x/6p or other compatible phones to throw our sim into and even dev eds sometimes etc.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JasonJoel:
No doubt there are ways around it on some devices. And I'm certainly not arguing their policy is what I would prefer either.

But to be blunt, they don't give a crap about making it easy for people to tinker/root, so I doubt their policy will change.

They probably don't care enough to spend a lot of time & money closing the loopholes you mentioned either though. Which is good for us.

But they really have no reason to make it easy either. Few of their customers care, and they aren't losing any significant business because of the policy (they are still gaining subscribers) while gaining some small level of device and network use control - so there is no problem to fix from their perspective.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JulesJam:
Then they shouldn't have licensed the Block C spectrum with all of its open access restrictions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] wpoeaaa:
i WANT KNOW 6.0.1 PDA CSC PHONE
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] mwebb34:
I really like the note 5 but if it can't be rooted then screw the note 5! I am on VZW for about 2 yrs, and every VZW device iv bought has been rooted and bootloader unlocked. I wanted the Nexus 6p but Verizon doesn't sell them as far as I know. I don't understand why Verizon don't carrier the 6p, unless they know its rootable and that's why they don't wanna sell it I dunno. I currently own the VZW nexus 6 and its carrier unlocked rooted and bootloader unlocked, I'm keeping it too! Iv had a upgrade for awhile now, and decided I would look around and see which device would be able to be rooted that VZW carries. Any pointers on a good choice would be appreciated. Thanks

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Why do people say that they have a retail Verizon note 5 and its rooted??? BULL ****!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] mwebb34:
I just read the article and that's sad! I don't get very good reception with T-Mobile if I did then I would switch in a heart beat. Think I'll just buy a nexus 6p....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] elliwigy:
that thread is for att devices that have ENG BLs.. to my knowledge there has been 0 ENG BLs leaked on VZW devices so to answer your question is a big "it will not work."
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] jal3223:
Bummer. Thanks for letting us know though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] perfectpitch:
Thus gives me hope that someday it might be possible.

http://xdaforums.com/note-4-verizon/general/note-4-verizon-bootloader-unlock-t3358913
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] HypostaticOnion:
Nope. The way it works is it basically swaps the bootloader with that of the developer edition. Which there was not one for the note 5.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] perfectpitch:
Way to crush those dreams. Lol:D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] elliwigy:
well thats not exactly the reason it wont work on the Note 5. the main reason is the Note 5 (like the s6, s6e, and s6e+) uses UFS.

This means there is no eMMC ID or CID that works the same way as it does on Note 4/S5 as those devices have eMMC
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] jal3223:
So I have another question. It seems that the T-mobile variant has working data when a Verizon sim is plugged in, however it will not make or receive a call because of the lack of CDMA. Would it be possible to create a flash able Verizon rom that does not include the boot loader files and activate the VoLTE feature using another Verizon phone?

I know that when the Z3v had a leaked lollipop build it had VoLTE on the software side but could not be activated when the sim was in the Z3v because the update wasn't live. The fix was to get the VoLTE already activated using another phone first and then to plug in the Sim. Does this seem like a plausible plan?

***edit - Never mind, I see that band 13 is required to run on Verizon. I don't see any unlocked models that support that band right off hand.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] blindmanpb:
GSM phones (AT&T, T-mobile, and "unlocked" phones) will only work with a GSM carrier (so no Verizon or Sprint). You might be able to get data, but phone calls and text messages will not work.

Going the other way is fine, though. You can pop a T-mobile sim card (or AT&T or any other GSM carrier) in any Verizon phone and calls and texts work fine. Data usually does, too.

EDIT:

This site is really useful for determining compatibility

http://willmyphonework.net/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] BigDaddyDogz:
Knox is the problem...

I never cared for being forced into accepting things that I never wanted, liked, or needed. Unfortunately, we live in legalistic times, were morals & ethics are outpaced and stripped away. The worst part of this is society has been totally dumbed-down into accepting it.

If the VZ Note5 can't be rooted D\T the Samsung "baked in" security package Knox. Why can't the "root detector" in Knox be put into an endless bootloop, the way Knox pseudo-bricks our phones?

Wow, I think, I just proved my "dumbed-down" theory.

Samsung, has customization packages for Knox Business Class...perhaps the answer lyes there (or lies their).

Respect!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] rafaelalvarezqro:
This might work?

http://xdaforums.com/tmobile-s7-edge/how-to/how-to-root-s7-edge-t3410470
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] MrMike2182:
No it won't because that only works on Snapdragon and we have Exynos so nope.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] KennyG123:
I am not sure why people are still blaming Samsung! Sprint and T-Mobile have the same Knox, yet they can root. The problem is Verizon's choice to have Samsung lock the bootloader for them.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] BigDaddyDogz:
Thanks for the ***WARNING***

:)Sorry, I must have been tired. You misunderstood my point. I'm not "blaming" anyone. I don't like bloat-ware, and I do not like not being able to modify the things I own. Not being able to Root my phone is frustrating.

Why did I get a "WARNING", for speaking my mind, or was it something else?

Anyway, thanks for commenting. I'll never contribute again. Respect!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
But it was originally rootable. So will the note 5.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
I'll disagree
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
All good brother. We shall see.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] TechBSwift:
I have to support my boy on this one, the likely hood of the note 5 verizon/at&t getting root is slim to none.... Most devs have already moved on to none samsung phones.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
There is a big difference between "devs" and exploit engineering. There will be someone out there willing to punch a hole. Not even worried
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
Right on brother lol guess I'm your boy??? Sweet lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] KennyG123:
Is it known yet if this kills the phone? I think the words were "It will not boot"...but that does not necessarily mean hard brick...it could be soft-bricked and on odin back to stock may resolve it. If that is the case then work towards an exploit will move forward. It is possible they can be talking about if Knox is tripped from the rooting process..so a rooting process that does not trip Knox could work. Fingers crossed for you new owners!!!

Edit: According to this article it sounds like the phone is not hard bricked. It will have to be seen if it can be put into download mode after receiving the "You rooted, you're screwed" screen. It also sounds like they are talking about it being part of the Knox package so if Knox is not tripped it will not go into this mode.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oilfighter:
That's not true. I own the Verizon Note 4 since release day 1. It has never been rooted, so I ended up getting a DE Note 4. You might be thinking of the Verizon S4. That was rootable till an update.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
I thought the same thing that you would have to odin back to stock but if Knox is tripped you're screwed right?? Knox is the only thing to worry about right? Don't think it's possible to root without tripping Knox. I mean even on my note 3/4 developer edition you trip know when you root. Shall be interesting to see played out
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
Well guys... I'm bailing from the note 5. Spoke to a very reputable Android security developer and was told this new Knox security layer preventing root is going to be nearly impossible to overcome. I'm out. I'm still under my 14 day return policy. Mailing my note 5 tomorrow. Back to my galaxy s6
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] cdmoore74:
Shame really. I can't blame Samsung 100% because it's the carriers doing this. Because I don't want to leave Verizon the S6 will most likely be my last Samsung phone on this carrier. Prey that Verizon gets 1 out of the 2 Nexus devices or the Moto X Pure is truly boot-loader unlocked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] pool_shark:
I'm trying to decide if I can live without root or take my chances with t-mobile.

So far I've found out I can use lmt launcher without root. Mine is installed as a system app so I assumed it needed root.

I also found out there is an app that re packages non system apps and it can then be used in multi window.

Lastly, there is helium that can backup apps and data with your pc, that means I don't *need* titanium backup.

I of course prefer root, but not sure I want to risk t-mobile.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
I went from Verizon to T-Mobile and loved the unlimited data and speed. Only problem was text messaging and MMS was terrible at my house. Switched back to Verizon and now dealing with capped data and hopelessly locked bootloaders. I'm seriously thinking about going back to T-Mobile and putting up with less coverage and MMS issues but TOTAL freedom and unlimited data. It's a toss up. T-Mobile customer service is second to none. They are absolutely amazing
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] cdmoore74:
The only reason why I flipped my Verizon Note 4 was because months went past and we had no root. The one thing that reminded me and drove me nuts was the volume warning every single time I got in my car and connected to bluetooth. Something so simple could drive me so nuts and serve as a reminder that I was missing root. If you care more about the phone vs coverage I would jump to t-mobile for sure. I can't because I know their coverage stinks at home and work.

And just look at what Verizon is doing with Samsung Pay! It was an advertised feature during the S6 launch and I expected full well that I would get it on day one. Nothing was said that Verizon was still thinking about it. If Verizon does not have it on launch they better give me a alternate phone because I will be pissed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
Verizon has already confirmed they will not support Samsung pay
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] pool_shark:
My cell is my only phone. I even have my work soft phone forwarded to my cell during work. My phone is also my laptop.

I've spoken to people in my area that have t-mobile and they say they have no issues.

Then again, my brother has a friend with t-mobile who says she drops calls any time she's on the road.

I'm so conflicted. If I drop $800 on a phone and switch to t-mobile and the coverage suck, I'm screwed. Then it's run back to Verizon, without my unlimited data and a locked down phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] Android_Fr3ak:
Do you have a link to support this. Everything I have seen has said they are still evaluating it. Nothing definitive
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] bash_array:
It appears they are indeed still evaluating it. Early reports so no. But there is hope now

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Sorry for the confusion
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JasonJoel:
Verizon never said no... It was the journalists trying to write click bait / sensationalist articles that said they weren't.

In the end they might not support it (although I bet they do). But they have said from day 1 that they are 'evaluating' right now.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] xavierxxx2p:
Java cards don't exist for Samsung phone's? Like the one to root and unlock bootloader on htc m9 for Verizon.some people bought java cards for the htc m9 and with a donation they will unlock and root phone
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
Nope nothing of the sort
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] V-Ty:
Rooting and flashing has been slowly dieing sad but true! It's not like the old dayz where we have options to flash 3-5 times a day. Whether it was themes, kernals, radios, roms, or mods! Those where the good old dayz! But I got some help from F.A. (flashing anonymous) It's not so bad. I just left my Verizon S6 Edge that was rooted. But I must say the Note 5 is an amazing phone. Hopefully one day they will gain root for us but if not I'll just stalk the forums until the next big thing arrives and maybe that will gain root! It is what it is! Life is too short to be stressing over root. Stay blessed guys and I'll check back in a week and you never know!?

Sent from my SM-N920V using Xparent Red Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] 2k10MBC300SPT:
Did you check out the Root thread for the GN4?? root NEVER happened..Tmobile has my busines going forward.. F^&$ Big red and their OVERPRICED Service...I've got the GN5 Tmo variant and root is minutes to days away..Check out the Thread (http://xdaforums.com/tmobile-galaxy-note5/general/t-mobile-sm-n920t-root-methods-info-t3183805)..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] :
Say what you want about Verizon but they treat me excellent. I called this morning because I was going to switch carriers and ended up getting $105.00 knocked off my monthly bill when my three contracts run out soon. They beat T-Mobile and Cricket on the price for me. I don't care for how they lock the phones down but I can deal without root on this phone and I know it's secure. I can install themes and disable any app I want so I'm happy. Rooting is nice but my low bill is better, it's not worth the worry.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] 2k10MBC300SPT:
To each his own...That's always the case with Verizon..You have to complain to them before they really take care of you..I'm happy for you that you're saving money:good:..I don't speak for everyone but a majority of us here on XDA are here because of root. VZW wants to hate and control people...like I said before, F$$$ them. Eventually they'll realize the client loss do to their selfish and greedy practices..:rolleyes:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JasonJoel:
Your theory would be fine except for the fact that they are growing their subscriber base, not losing them...

That kind of shoots your theory a little...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] GreeleyXda:
Is it the signal? Or what's bringing more people in

If it wasn't for my unlimited data, i would not be with Verizon their data plans are expensive
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] KennyG123:
The signal is part of it, but the 99.5% of people out there who do not even know what rooting means want the most secure phone they can get. They do all their business on these phones and their lives are stored on it. Add to that the huge contracts they have gained from the military, government and corporate sectors where the IT department purchases the phones for the employees and want the most secure phone out of the box. Magazines have rated Samsung phones, especially Verizon and AT&T as the most secure phones on the market.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JasonJoel:
Signal, support, and network reliability.

Their price isn't really any more than att, which is the only other carrier with similar coverage.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] GreeleyXda:
Since when lol, the average joe doesn't usually concern themself over that.

I understand the business side of Verizon is pretty big I thought we were referring to consumers since they're the ones the pricey data plans are hurting.

I get mixed reviews on the other Big 2's support, some claim it's good but I've personally had bad experiences with both sprint and T-Mobile

Yes but you can use any gsm phone atleast and AT&T gets better exclusives.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] KennyG123:
Since lately with all the fear of identity theft and news articles about vulnerabilities in cell phones. And you just said people...I assumed you wanted to know why Verizon business is increasing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] GreeleyXda:
Ironically i believe sprint was the first to send fixed for stagefright

But yeah Verizon has the whole, were last because we have to verify everything is safe
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] JasonJoel:
In terms of exclusives, I guess that is a matter of opinion... Verizon's Droid Turbo was, in my opinion, the best phone that came out last year.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] GreeleyXda:
Hah yeah sure most ppl weren't as excited about the firephone and Galaxy alpha as I was.

I think the droid turbo ended up being inferior to the moto x no?

I'm a sonny fanboy, so I've got a little jealousy of T-Mobile/gsm in general. The Verizon z3v was meh, and idk what happened to the z4v they announced
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] rbeave70:
I still have the note 3, rooted of course, but what choices do I have to upgrade? I must keep tethering, because I am unlimited, and this is my home internet as well. I was seeing everyone talking about the S6, is it still rootable if purchased today? I still love my Note 3 but the GPS no longer works correctly, and I cant replace my Note 3.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] :
For the S6 as long as it says OC3 or OE2 firmware you can root it with pingpong. If it's anything other than those you are out of luck. If I'm not mistaken I believe FoxFi will work for your tethering without root.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] cguy1213:
I would love to be able to root and debloat also. However, foxi is making it easy for us unlimited users.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] viper31573:
I've been thinking about this and decided I really don't need root. I've enjoyed flashing different roms but I seem to always come back to the same roms. I also use root for nothing else. Rooting has actually gotten kind of old to me. That's just my opinion though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
You could upgrade to developer edition note 4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] PrsnlCrcl:
I came across the following post last night. You can go in and disable/block apps without root. I used it last night without any issues. Here is the link...http://xdaforums.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] dweidman:
Can you block ads without root (thought it was required).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] :
Try adguard [MENTION=5305701]xavierxxx2p[/MENTION] mentioned it in this post.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] SirVilhelm:
You can tether with any Verizon phone without root... What is the issue?

Edit: stupid mobile site, I was responding to the guy who said he needed root to tether.

Any who, I wouldn't hold my breath on root. Still haven't achieved root on Verizon note 4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] TechBSwift:
Sprint and T-Mobile already have root for the note 5..... Sad day to be on Verizon & AT&T

Sent from my SM-G925V using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] pool_shark:
I don't think it's sad. No one should have expected root it AT&T or Verizon.

I am still considering going to t-mobile, but having a good signal most of the time is more important to me than root.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
Shut it man lol where is the 256 gb developer edition note 5 lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] TechBSwift:
Lol I'm just saying bro, and what the hell you going to do with a phone with 256gb? That's a whole lot of porn lol lol

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] Wendemixda:
That does it. I was still debating whether to get the Note 5 or not. So many things going against it at this points. I am gonna wait. Nexus phones are not an option for me. I'll have to see what HTC comes up with next if they survive long enough.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] patt2k:
I wonder if T-Mobile Note5 has CDMA chip as well as nexus 6 iphones etc.. anyone knows? since Verizon started to be more cool with activating non-vzw devices.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note5] oneandroidnut:
LOL i need storage bro. want unlimited storage lol