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[X Style (Pure) General] kessa92:
hello to all guys, I'm an Italian guy and are interested in purchasing this moto x..non know if I understand it because google translator does not translate perfectly .. just the screen is at least 3-4 hours on? thank you
[X Style (Pure) General] antonior93:
In which cases di you get 120? I just made some trials, and got almost 120 playing Real Racing. Got to see if i get same high temperature with normal use.
[X Style (Pure) General] jaseman:
Battery may be the issue

What if the issue is not with the phone(s) themselves but with the batteries installed in them? :mad:

I have had regular batteries that went bad much earlier than others from the same pack doing the exact same thing.

Batteries operate on a chemical reaction no matter whether they a lithium or nickel based.

If someone would do a tear down of their overheating phone, replace the battery, then check if it still overheats or not would tell us a great deal on why some overheat so easily while others run cool!

Besides, what do you think Moto is doing with the returns? They're not throwing them in the trash. :eek:

They're refurbishing them. What does it mean to refurbish a brand new phone???

What part(s) are they replacing?

Probably the only part that is having the issue which in this case is the battery!

I highly doubt that software is the culprit here as all these phones are literally digital clones. So they all have the EXACT same software...bugs and all. So why would a "bug" make one overheat out of the box and not another?

Assuming (which I know can be fatal) that quality control is making all the hardware nearly identical according to tested specs, if not exactly the same, should make each phone run the same out of the box with the exact same software.

The only common denominator left is the chemical reaction taking place inside the battery.

I think the batteries need to be replaced on these overheating devices, not the entire phone. :cool:
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
VR content. Cmoar Cinema.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
If the battery were at fault for the heat, this would show with less battery life capacitance. Battery life would be about half the average and really stand out. I worked for Enersys Battery as a product supervisor and quality control.

Batteries and high heat are not a good combo.
[X Style (Pure) General] jaseman:
So you're saying that an overheating battery cannot be the fault of the battery itself...that it must be something else going on?

What then would you say is causing this on only a relatively few phones?

I see the same issue being reported on many forums about many different phones.

They send them back, get a replacement, and the problem is gone.

What are the manufacturers refurbishing in these "defective" overheating phones if not the battery?

I would bet dimes to dollars that the battery is the first thing they replace and test.

If it stays cool then problem solved...if not...then I would like to know how they fix the problem so they can re-sell them as refurbished, or use them for warranty replacements/repairs. Not to mention that when someone's phone is overheating they rarely say anything about capacity. They return it before they have it long enough to measure capacity. I only used that analogy to show that batteries from the same lot and package can vary wildly.
[X Style (Pure) General] antonior93:
So, i should issue an RMA, right?

Btw, this is my first charge cycle.. Very bad:

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[X Style (Pure) General] brholt6:
No. Not if that's your first charge cycle. Let the battery settle in for a few days.
[X Style (Pure) General] Android The Greek:
I watch some battery videos on the moto x and almost would confirm worst battery on At&t vs others. I get 3 hours sot on ATT and seen people on sprint getting 5 to 6.
[X Style (Pure) General] met152:
Thanks for the great tips! Would you mind sharing the flows you created by uploading them to the Automate community? I'm most interested in disabling GPS unless maps is running and also disabling everything at night.

Thanks!
[X Style (Pure) General] Bigal77:
I heard Bluetooth takes up no battery when not connected to anything. Unlike Wi-Fi, it doesn't search at all when not connected

I leave it on all day on my m8 and notice no difference to when I had it off

Rest of tips are very good
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
That is certainly not my observation. I lost some of the triggers I had for enabling bluetooth some time back (like a month ago) and it used to be left ON, the difference in battery consumption was noticeable. But if its fine for you, its OK to leave it on.

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I am pretty sure someone must have these already in the community. I will check and upload later (around weekend when I get to play again...:D, weekdays are all work no play for me....:().

The "GPS ON when maps is ON" one is very simple: you need a "When app in foreground" block, pick the activity as Maps->MapsActivity (this is important, its in the middle of the list), and you need 2 blocks for enabling and disabling GPS. And then, just yes and no handling: yes->"Enable GPS" block->"When app in foreground" block, no->"Disable GPS" block->"When app in foreground" block.

After this, just run the flow. It will keep running. When you start the maps, it will enable the GPS. When you go to another app, it will disable the GPS. When you come back to maps, it will enable it again. And so on. Pretty darn sweet!!
[X Style (Pure) General] jaseman:
My question in all of this is...if you are like me and your battery lasts all day without all these "tweaks" and you charge it up during the night, then why bother with all of this just to squeeze out more battery time? Does it really make a difference if the battery is at 20% or 50% when you put it on the charger for the night?

On top of that it has been proven on multiple forums, in multiple threads, multiple times that GPS can be left on all the time as it will only draw on the battery when a particular application actually needs it, such as Maps. The same has been proved with blue tooth, and WiFi. Yes, they may scan for possible links but they use such minimal power doing so that it results in negligible power savings. It probably takes more power to turn on your screen to turn them off than it does just to leave them on. The applications that allow you to do these fancy tweaks run in memory and take power also.

The only time such things like GPS, Blue Tooth, and WiFi take real power is when they are actively being used to do real work. I think it's more the fact that all these fancy tweaks can be done than that they need to be done. :silly:

Oh well, have fun tweaking!
[X Style (Pure) General] Docarut:
My battery is commonly 3-5% at end of day. I disabled Motorola Approach but have left other things on. I do no gaming but occasionally watch some video, surf, email, small number of text. Part of day-few hours I am in area with phone searching for signal which probably affects battery most. I can live with it and have just received rapid charger for my car so I can charge up on the go if necessary.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
I think you are making a few assumptions:

1. The battery lasts the whole day without tweaks.

This is not true for many folks.

2. Everybody wants to put their phone on the charger every night.

Certainly not true for me. With my tweaks, I can remain off the charger for 2 days, sometimes even 3 days if I let it drain all the way to 2-3%. I usually put the phone on the charger around 15% mark. I do not want to put the phone on the charger unless I need to.

As for LTE, wifi, bluetooth and GPS not consuming any power unless used. IMO that's just wrong. Show me some research. That kind of experiments take weeks to do because its all driven by your personal usage. I have done them for my usage patterns and I can say confidently that all these drain battery and its best to leave them off unless used. That's what makes it 2 days of the charger instead of 1 day.
[X Style (Pure) General] jayochs:
I don't get why people don't want to plug their phone in overnight. it's not like it's a phone from the early 2000s; it won't over charge. it will stop at 100 and discharge even when plugged in until it gets low enough to start trickle charging again.

even if you goto bed and have 60 percent left why don't you just charge it? so the next day you can start fresh? why not just throw it on the charger? I don't understand why people don't. I charge mine every night no matter what the percentage is.

Sent from my Moto X Pure Edition
[X Style (Pure) General] benjamminh:
It's also like why are people opposed to charging their phones when in the car, especially if one is using navigation? Sometimes I think the drive to optimize battery is more important to them than simply using their phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
My phone gets me through a full day with normal usage so no complaints.

With turbo charge, which charges my phone from 0 to 100 in less than an hour, I can't see anyone complaining about this phone honestly. Awesome amount of up time, and it will only get better with Marshmallow.
[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
There is no technical reason for me to not put the phone on the charger. Its just laziness or forgetfulness.

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hehehe...yeah, I am not optimizing the battery. I want it to keep going as long as it can and I don't want to worry about it. Too lazy to think about it and plugging it in.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
No tweaks.
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
Because when I drop 400 dollars on a device that can only run with a battery that cannot be replaced when it fails... It needs to LAST.

That's the point, charging all the time kills batteries, and I cannot swap it out for a fresh one after a year, they have short lifespans.

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Mine must of been defective, 3 hours of SOT and the phone was DEAD. Man.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
It really depends what charge cycle you are on. The first few charge cycles, I got about 3 hours as well. I only started getting around 5 hours SoT when I was a week into the device.
[X Style (Pure) General] benjamminh:
I think that's s pretty big exaggeration but you're right to get the device that works for you. I agree the phone should have an easily replaceable battery but almost all companies are going away from that.
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
that was after a week lol

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Because they are running out of things to "improve" so you buy another. They just have to cut it's life short so you have to buy one. I would not mind at all paying MORE so they get their cash and are happy, and I get a long lasting device.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
No. That's not the reason.

They'd get even more money if they had a removable back, as they could advertise themselves as one of the few manufacturers keeping this option. If money was truly their motive in that decision.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions on business strategy because you received a defective device.

Try the new Droid MAXX if you are on Verizon. That will solve your battery troubles. If not, I wouldn't expect too much more with a Galaxy or iPhone. Nexus 6P may give you an extra 30-45 mins of SoT though.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
The teardown of this device makes it more confusing why no removable back. The materials used and lack of unibody frame seems odd to not have one.

Regardless, I have the 64gb version and think it is the best multimedia device/ phone you can buy. Just wish it had a replaceable battery.
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
Well why hasn't any OEM done that? That's why I am confused... LG still has them...but they don't even try to advertise :/ So weird! I also don't get why mid range phones keep getting super batteries...but not flagships...

I'd love to see someone make a true good quality flagship with a removable 4,000mah battery
[X Style (Pure) General] krohme:
I agree. I've always wondered why flagship phones aren't always equipped with the biggest batteries avaliable.

Why the midrange moto x play has a considerably larger capacity battery over the flagship x style /pure -

makes no sense to me at all :what:

Good to see Google & Huawei using a large battery on the nexus 6 p. I hope other oems follow & treat their flagship devices in the same manner.
[X Style (Pure) General] Locklear308:
Right!? It's down right insulting... They have the audacity to charge us (flagship buyers) the highest price...yes we get smaller batteries that crappy walmart phones sometimes....
[X Style (Pure) General] antonior93:
A week with this phone now, and i still have poor battery life . .

To get a decent one i need to switch to 2g when i don't have to use the phone, or when i use it just for texting..

Never got 4h SOT for now, not even in 12 hours off charger.

A bit disappointed
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
It sounds like you are in a poor reception area. I am with you. My battery life goes to hell if I leave my phone on LTE while at home. It is constantly trying to stay on LTE with a very weak signal. I have a range extender (Verizon) so when at home I use the LTE On/Off app to force my phone to CDMA auto PRL. I keep a strong signal and the batter life is much better.

Yesterday, I noticed my battery life was way down with my normal usage. I forgot I had rebooted my phone and it was back to normal settings. I had to go back in and change it and all was well. I looked at my phone signal usage in GSAM and it showed I had been in poor signal for 93% of the time. Believe me it makes a difference.
[X Style (Pure) General] ibila:
Let me guess...Google services abg Google apps are your biggest battery killers?
[X Style (Pure) General] blitos2:
Which app?
[X Style (Pure) General] antonior93:
It's not just the bad reception. Even with the best reception possible (or almost only in 2g) I never obtained a very good result. These screens are from today's battery life.

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[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
LTE On/Off for thunderbolt.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
3000 mah is the standard for all flagship phones right now. Even the "top of the line" and insanely pricey Galaxy Note 5 has 3000 mah. You are underestimating how much you can do with 3000 mah. Additionally, I wouldn't call the Nexus 6P battery "large". It is larger, but not by much. I would expect about 30-40 more minutes of SoT and that's it. You shouldn't be expecting anything more.

With the Play, you could probably expect an extra hour.

But I've said it before: If you guys are concerned about the battery, get the Droid Maxx 2. It's brand new, will probably have a slight bump in specs compared to the Pure, and will have a "large" battery worthy of the name.

Again, you should not be commenting on battery life if you truly believe you received a defective device. 3000 mah is by no means small. Further, we are not paying the "highest price" at all. $400 is a great price for this phone. Samsung consumers, on the other hand, are paying $700-$800 for their Galaxy Notes and are getting the same 3000 mah battery. You don't see them complaining... Even though they should be cause they got ripped off... haha.

In my opinion, the MXP is undoubtedly the best value high end Android phone that you can buy, and it puts up a real fight against even the most top tier smartphones spec-wise. I will agree that the Nexus 6P is a better phone, but only marginally.

I didn't get the Nexus 6P because I need 128 GB, so everything said and done, the phone would cost me an extra $200. The MXP's micro SD slot saved me there.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
The Droid Maxx 2 apparently has a smaller and lower res display. That is a plus though for some.
[X Style (Pure) General] Faruko:
Test shows the Nexus 6P battery life is worse than the X Pure edition lol

Numbers are that, just numbers

Im always getting a full day with 3.5-4.5 SoT, more than enough for me, and i dont even need that because i work next to a power source and a few minutes with the charger and bam, problem solved

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[X Style (Pure) General] silverblack:
I thought my G3 was bad :(

Thats with moto active on,BT and wifi.

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[X Style (Pure) General] Bootup:
When I see something like this, I know something is either wrong with that person's phone, the apps he/she's running or they lying...

I play monster strike and CoC, 2 of the biggest power sucking games around, and I can get more SoT time than that and I have everything still on (Wifi, BT, all Moto functions, etc).
[X Style (Pure) General] silverblack:
Phone must need repaired then as its neither of your options.
[X Style (Pure) General] patt2k:
Anyone getting 4-5 hrs sot is simply having his or her phone on at all times playing games or watching movies.
[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
Your screen should be taking up more of your battery usage, not merely 17%. What this tells me is there is something else draining your battery. When I get over 5 hrs SoT, my screen takes up 50% or more of the battery. I don't turn off signals or anything, that's just the way it happens for me. So check your other apps, what else is at a high battery usage percentage?
[X Style (Pure) General] NOSTALGIA:
apps being used in background???

the community cannot help you if your just showing screen percentage...
[X Style (Pure) General] bdt1978:
Tried every rom and battery feature / save on here and nothing is making a real dent. My device is two days old... Perhaps the battery needs to settle for a few more days and it will be better.

Most ROMs in here seem to drain battery more than the stock version too.

If anyone has found a surefire answer to battery wors please let me know
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
Mine settled in pretty good after 5 or 6 days.
[X Style (Pure) General] gadget069:
I've had mine for two weeks, battery life is still questionable.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
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Pretty good SOT going to day. Lazy NASCAR Sunday.
[X Style (Pure) General] bdt1978:
Just had a scroll through the nexus 5x battery life forum.... Looksike they have similar issues to us!
[X Style (Pure) General] Faruko:
Tests show that both nexus new phones have slightly worse battery life than the X Pure

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[X Style (Pure) General] Spike96:
Source?
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
Ended up with a 5 hour day with 28% left.

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[X Style (Pure) General] Corduroy-21:
After a week, my battery stats look like this almost every time (3-4 charges). I'm not a heavy SOT user. I get more than 1,5day with my usage and 2-2,5h SOT.

To be honest that's not anything spectacular. I almost got the same stats with my 2,5 years old HTC One M7.

However I haven't tweaked anything yet.

I really like Moto Display, to me turning it off in a phone without a LED is like going back in time or getting an iPhone.

However attentive display seems more hit or miss and in my next charge I'll probably disable it and I'm not sure if Moto Voice is something I'll use in the long haul so maybe I can get more juice without them.

I can understand the need for tweaking, but not disabling everything in a smartphone.

Standby time is really good with wifi on (I have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, 3 mail accounts, Viber, Whatsapp, Hangouts syncing all the time), however when moving with 3G/LTE it seems that the phone struggles a lot. Even with zero SOT I find it drains pretty fast when driving or even walking.

I would like to have a heavy SOT day just to see what stats I can get. Up until now, battery is just OK-ish. I'm positive that with some tweaks (and hopefully) Android M things will get better.
[X Style (Pure) General] Faruko:
Phonearena, look it up, the battery its almost dead even but the XPE has a slight edge

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[X Style (Pure) General] rehpyc:
While constant use will yield you the highest SOT (i.e. easy to hit 5-6 SOT), it's all about keeping wakelocks in check when the phone is not in use. I'll probably be writing a guide, since there's many who seem to suffer from less than desired battery life. The attached is on track to ~2d 6h of phone use resulting with 4 1/2 hrs of SOT. No WiFi, mediocre signal, and high accuracy location setting.
[X Style (Pure) General] Csetoue:
Please, write a guide! :)
[X Style (Pure) General] Corduroy-21:
I was busy the past couple of days, so I didn't use the phone much. Battery drain when idle is excellent .

With Android M on its way this can only get better.
[X Style (Pure) General] istrikerx:
Greenify + rooted + some magic I assume? :laugh:
[X Style (Pure) General] Csetoue:
First charge yesterday: 4h30 of SoT.
[X Style (Pure) General] antonior93:
Battery life over wifi is awesome!

I'm at 46%, on since 9.30 (11.30 hours ago) with 2h 45m SOT.

The problem is when i go out, and switch over LTE. Can't get more than 3hours SOT if i don't switch to 2G when i do not use it..
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I think I have pretty bad battery life...

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[X Style (Pure) General] salespalace:
Battery life is getting better after first complete charge.

still not as good as my old oneplus one though, let's hope it improves.
[X Style (Pure) General] Csetoue:
Completely stock.
[X Style (Pure) General] GabryBSK:
I have pretty bad battery stats too. Look what i've got today :crying:

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[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
I'm the OP and overall now find battery life to be good for a 5.7" 1440p display device with LTE and a relatively fast chipset. With 3000 mah battery.
[X Style (Pure) General] GabryBSK:
What settings do you use? I can't get more than 3 hours sot using wifi connection.

What kind of apps do you use? Do you use Moto's apps (like Moto Display)?

Can you suggest me something for better battery stats?

You can see my battery stats here at post #530 (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63639185&postcount=530).
[X Style (Pure) General] Corduroy-21:
Well, then maybe you could change the topic title.

:p
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
Perhaps....
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
I average 4 hours SOT.

20% brightness (Seems plenty bright to me)

Not using Moto Display or Talk (never used similar on Note 4, so no harm no foul).

I turn GPS on when needed

Only light game use

Another handy option is battery saver mode if away from a charger for longer periods.

The wild card is weak signal areas. The numbers go down over one hour if in weak areas. I turn data off in that case and only turn it on when needed. Even better battery life then.

This device seems to draw more power in weak signal areas than the Note 4, but also has better reception overall. At least I never noticed the battery hit as much with the Note 4. Perhaps I pay more attention since was so focused on comparing.
[X Style (Pure) General] rehpyc:
Another tease with some more optimization.. I promise, once I get some time in the next week, I'll make a thread to help those with poor battery life. One thing to start doing at night, use Better Battery Stats to set a custom ref point right before going to sleep and seeing how much battery is consumed overnight without you even touching the phone. Anything over 1%/hr is pretty bad, but we'll work on that. The idea is to get it so the phone isn't awake much when not being used, since as you can see my phone is only awake ~20m of the ~11 hours it's on (aside from the 1hr 40m that the screen is on).
[X Style (Pure) General] mademan420:
Do you use BT at all?