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[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Thanks!

I will try to pass to LG and try my Hifiman RE 272 directly on the their showroom's phone.

Too bad I don't have my Sony BT to try it too
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
What Sony BT you have ? I have SBH80, but damn it does not work anymore, I got my money back.
[G4 General] salehin4070:
Great....Let us know your impression after doing so.
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Ok so I went to the showroom with the hifiman earphones, plugged them and played the only "song" LG life beautiful, as stated already the soundstage is good, you hear every single instrument separately, though I wanted to test a song of mine on both my m9 and G4. Sent it by BT, tried it first on the G4, well it sounded flat and needed some bass boosting, the volume loudness was ok, then I tried the same song on my M9 without V4A... It was like a huge slap in the face! The loudness, bass and mids were miles louder and better, the G4 sounded like half the M9 volume!!

Too bad I couldn't try the BT audio.

Well I am very deceived by the G4 now, I think I will keep my M9 even if the camera is not so good.

Unless V4A can do miracles, I don't ask for M9's loudness but something at least close. Can you try the +6db boost in the end as well as playback max output to 0db instead of -1.9db??

With the S6 I could reach something close to M9 with these settings
[G4 General] PADIN:
Any comparison with MEIZU mx4 pro?

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[G4 General] salehin4070:
I'm at a loss right now. As a latest flagship, I really hoped its sound quality to be at least closer to the Sony flagships, If not in par. I was really excited by G4's outstanding camera (It's a beast in my opinion) and was considering buying this device as an upgrade to my current Z3. But now I'm not so sure If I should buy this or just go with the S6/ Moto X Style (when it releases) instead....anyways, Thanks for your info.
[G4 General] Kendosis:
It sounds fine to me coming from a s5, I mainly use the vmoda lp2
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Also if anyone can try Neutron app on their G4 to see how well you gain increase volume, please try it. It can somehow go further than V4A on other phones
[G4 General] ecoleye:
I was pretty disappointed in the G4 sound quality until I started experimenting with different IRS files in V4A. I highly recommend giving some of these a shot. Once I found the BBE Generic Preset 2 file, I never had to bother tweaking much else.
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
My secret use PowerAMP and find the best setting for EQ, not easy if you don't know really about EQ, otherwise use JetAudio and activate AM3D it will complety change the sound quality, and more you can adjust the bass and treble easily as you want, best apps to improve the sound quality and no need to root. If you listen with intra/earphones there is no problem of loud, it's very loud enough to get deaf, with headphones it's different it's not loud enough to get deaf but still loud, you can increased volume with the apps I mentioned.
[G4 General] Usraek:
The LG G4 definitely isn't loud enough, and sounds not-so-great stock. I boosted the volume by editing the mixer_paths.xml (though I'm not quite finished with that), and after several hours of messing with the Poweramp EQ and/or V4A I've come to series of settings I'm quite happy with overall. (I came from a S3 w/Cyanogenmod that sounded wonderful, this was a bit of initial let-down... And I'm only using lowly Xiaomi Piston v3s :p )
[G4 General] QuantifyThis:
I switched to G4 from HTC One M7, and use them with some Apt-x higher-end earphones. Can't hear any big difference between them, they sound pretty much the same over Apt-X (i.e. really good).
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
How do you compare volume between M7 and G4 + mods like V4A? I was so ready to swap my M9 for the G4 but stock volume of G4 was miles behind when I tried it
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
Thanks, I'll buy a new bluetooth headphone.
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Tried Note 4 today, it was as low as G4 using the earphones wired, perhaps just 5-8% louder, though using BT it can get louder than BT M9 + V4A!!

If someone please can try V4A (or other gain option app) on G4 and tell us how louder it can get, we will be grateful!

I mean is it 20% louder or 50% louder...?
[G4 General] salehin4070:
Loudness isn't a issue for me as I'm gonna use low impedance earphone....The thing only matters is the quality. Can you say a bit more on that?
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Note 4 Exynos and G4 obviously need a professional third party music app with quality EQs. the G4 lacks everything from bass to mids to highs, the Note 4 has slightly too much treble but no bass.

Both have a very good soundstage.
[G4 General] miyuru4u:
G4 sound is little low but i think sound quality is amazing specially when you are in a quite place...
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
You can find audio output reviews from flagship : http://www.qobuz.com/GB-en/info/Hi-Res-Guide/Qobuz-Selection-the-smartphones177366

But not a complete review for LG G4... just "On the right track, and therefore promising: LG G4 (24/192) "

One M9 : http://www.qobuz.com/GB-en/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/HTC-One-M9-a-Hi-Res-24-bit-192-kHz176909
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Damn you LG! Put a real team for your smartphones, low audio volume is stopping me to buy a G4 now.

Latest rumors are saying the Note 5 will have SDcard slot, let's wait the 13th for the official specs

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Did you boost the Gain to +6db (last option) and Playback Gain control>Max gain Inf Max output 0db?
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
I use earphone, I don't need to boost anything, just play with EQ, and the sound is way better, but yes you can boost volume otherwise.

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[G4 General] Yamthief:
I have a lovely (if somewhat expensive) pair of over ear headphones, and the sound quality is perfect.

Ultimately you get out what you put in. If you are listening to crappy low bit rate files on stock LG headphones, don't expect them to somehow magically create great hifi audio.
[G4 General] academicbarzo:
Have to agree with this. Currently listening to some lossless FLAC files, care of the LG G4 and a pair of Sennheiser Momentum M2 wired over ear headphones. Sound quality is excellent - all balanced and enjoyable.
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
For people who say the sound quality is good, you listen it with the stock music app ?
[G4 General] admops:
Any rumour for ext. Batteries too? If so than I'm sold... :p
[G4 General] academicbarzo:
No, I am using Poweramp. Not to with sound quality issues, just that I (a) don't like the stock Music app much in terms of look and feel and (b) I have a companion remote on my Android Wear watch for Poweramp, which means I can do most settings without having to take the phone out of my pocket when out and about.
[G4 General] FadeFx:
I dont get it why people always discuss bt audio quality, bt devices get a digital audio that comes "as is" and the dac is in the receiver. Thus means volume and audio quality are solely dictated by the speaker/headphones.

Regarding headphones audio, i have been using samsung devices for years (i9000, i9100 and i9300) and the wolfsson audio dac in them was outstanding just samsung always managed to make it sound bad by adjusting the hardware eq registers to their cheap bundled in ear headsets. Thankfully there was voodoosound that gave access to the eq so we had the chance to make it finally sound good. I always was against software driven audio engines like viper4android as they just put additional strain on the cpu meaning some impact on battery life and they will never be able to correct a bad sounding dac or amp, however, i wanted to give it a try yesterday just to find out that it didnt work at all for me ( driver not working at all) so i just uninstalled it and have to live with what we have here. Probably someday a tallented guy finds a way to hack into the dac of the G4...

Edit: i am using in ear brainwavz delta cheap but nice earbuds.

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[G4 General] salehin4070:
Are you satisfied with the audio quality of G4?
[G4 General] FadeFx:
Not so much, it sounds a bit flat and even my flac files sound kind of mp3ish. Probably also an issue on the dac.

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[G4 General] Bootup:
Ath-msr-7, ath-es10, grado sr 80 and sr325, dinu dn-2000, pistons 2 and 3 and 2 senns momentum (over and on ear).. I think my sound setup is more than adequate enough to say that sound quality on this phone is substandard
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Oh well!

I will pass the G4, hoping G4 pro will have a DAC.

The Note 5 could be interesting if it has an sdcard, let's see the event
[G4 General] PADIN:
You have to try the mx4 pro dac

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[G4 General] vegetaleb:
I tried my friend's Note 4 Exynos in my car today, the BT volume was surprisingly louder than with the M9 BT, with the AUX cable it was as loud and the the thing is that no root or V4A were installed on the Note 4!

If the G4 has the same level of output then it's my earphones that have high impedance and need a powerfull DAC like M9, in the car though a G4 will be plenty loud IF it's like the Note 4.

So anyone has both phones and tried them with the car's audio?
[G4 General] salehin4070:
Unfortunately no sdcard support for either Note 5 or S6 Edge+
[G4 General] academicbarzo:
I disagree with your opinion. To my ears, the G4 is perfectly listenable and much better quality than I was expecting after some of the posts in this thread and other reviews.

To be honest, I don't think any phone is really a credible audio device, unless coupled with a good DAC/headphone amplifier and appropriate software (eg USB Audio Pro) to overcome the limitations of phone software. However, I use my phone on the move and find it great for that purpose, either into good quality wired cans (Sennheiser M2s), buds or BT cans (Sennheiser Urbanite XL with apt-x). To me, the presence of an SD card is a key feature, so that I can be listening to high quality music files.

At home, I have a dedicated hifi system (Cyrus Audio and Rega) and headphone amp (Burson Soloist SL) to feed Sennheiser HD650s and HD700s.

Long post, just to suggest that audio quality is subjective.
[G4 General] diigiital:
Have to agree, it's mostly negative comments about the G4 here, but i think LG has strucked gold with the G4. This is the first phone since viper4android came out a couple of years ago, that i dont feel the need for it. G4 surely would sound better with v4a, but i dont want to root my phone.

I would consider myself a audiophile to a certain degree, and it took me 2 years and about 15-20 in-ear headphones before i found the right sound.
[G4 General] salehin4070:
Which earphone do you use?
[G4 General] Bootup:
Listenable? yes..but a lot of phones fall into such a low standard. If I'm spending $500+ on a higher end 'flagship' phone in 2015, I think it should be more than 'listenable'. I currently have or had in my possession over the past few months the following phones: S5, S6, Note 3, Note 4, G4, Oneplus, M8 and (don't judge me...) Iphone 5 and 6+. One guess on which one was at or near the bottom for sound quality in that list. My 2 daily drivers, Note 4 and Oneplus, sound so much better in both tone and loudness than the G4. The one area that the G4 beats one of the others is the BT output in my car; for some reason the Note and my cars BT dont like each other.

In response to this thread, I listened to albums of 3 different genre's (Dre's Compton, The Two Towers soundtrack and Live in Cook County Jail by B.B. King, all FLAC using Poweramp and V4A) on the Note 4, Oneplus and G4. One time with the MSR-7 and once with the Senns. Note 4 vs G4: No contest across all tests. Oneplus, the G4 is capable an anything with strong mids, but struggles on both highs and lows ends.

Now, I have no clue what Z3 or G3 or even Moto's sound like because I've never used them. But, if you're coming from another substandard phone, yes you might think the G4 quality is 'listenable' and have no problems with it. But if you're used to pretty decent or better sound, the G4 will probably be a disappointment especially considering the $$$ you paid for it and its status as a flagship. My opinion, and its just an opinion like every single ones in this thread/forum/world, is that g4 is just an average sounding phone that pales when compared to most of the higher end phones.

Look, I have love for the G4. That's why I keep going back to it occasionally trying to make it work for me. My only 2 issues with it now are the touches still and the sound. The rest of the phone is pretty much perfect.
[G4 General] academicbarzo:
If you find the sound that objectionable, get an external DAC. That will solve it. I came from a Z3 Compact, which did sound better than the G4 (deeper bass and wider soundstage), but not much. Not enough to be a concern. By 'listenable' I mean well balanced and enjoyable.
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
Hey guys, when you're talking about the sound quality of the G4, you mean stock sound ? with the stock app ? I don't talk about volume/loud, just quality. Because you can get easily good sound with playing with EQ, with any players you should modified EQ to get the best...
[G4 General] Bootup:
I have DAC's..but we can say the same about any of the phones the OP and others want to compare to the G4. I can increased the sound of this, any pretty much any other phone, with DACs and Amps. I'm speaking about the phone from a phone-only experience. If i just want to grab one of my IEM and phone and just go, the G4 will be near bottom of the list on my choice to grab. I think that's what the people are asking in this thread.
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
The M8 is superior to note 4 for audio? If yes it's a big difference or close call?

Tried my M9 side by side with a g4 using same earphones and song, the M9 was a hell richer and warmer
[G4 General] shoes22:
I'm not getting good range from my G4 headphone output either...whoever described the sound as flat all the way around on stock is accurate.
[G4 General] Bootup:
Thinking back, I say out the box the M8 was very much better than the Note 4 but its so much easier to tune the Note 4. M8 might be the best headphone output I've heard on a phone but I don't have it anymore (gf used it for jump to G4) to compare it directly now. Many 'experts' say that its the best hi-fi phone.
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
I have a Cowon J3 but since the M7 I don't use it anymore, it's so practical to take a call when doing sports and use 1 device instead of 2. Too bad LG doesn't take audio seriously, now I am lost, should I wait for G4 Pro (but will be expensive) or it will use the same audio? If only tge G4 had a great audio modder dev like zeroinfinity to change things...the thing is the whole dev scene for this phone is iced
[G4 General] academicbarzo:
Try listening to it yourself before making a judgment. I didn't spend money on expensive commuter headphones (Sennheiser M2s) to pair with them with a poor source. The G4, in my view, is not a poor source.
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
[MENTION=529092]Bootup[/MENTION] did you try V4A on your G4? Or any good music app? I still don't have answers about it (how more loudness can be, and warmer sound).

If you can get 30% and more volume and warmer sound then I would reconsider G4
[G4 General] convert:
Me too. I'm using a mixture of flac, wav and mp3's on my G4 with some shure 535's with custom moulds. Very nice neutral sound. No hiss unlike on my Note 2.

Sound is only slightly inferior to the output when using my portable sony dac (pha 1) with the G4 which is quite a bulky rig so mostly I don't bother with the amp.
[G4 General] glockaki:
if you are not rooted like me and think that volume is too low from earbuds or headphones definetely use Neutron app.WAY BETTER THAN VIPER4A!i got deaf from that app.tons of customisation to the eq.

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[G4 General] larsdennert:
I've had numerous Motorola phones. Most of them have unusable bt. You can't use bt with WiFi without having popping, clicking and drops every few seconds. Basically you can't stream audio over WiFi to a bt device.
[G4 General] kabirjedi:
Sound qouality 10/7

Otuput volume:4

Need more boost....Like LG g3 volume booster app.
[G4 General] holzmann:
I have posted this before but I agree. The HP output of the LG G4 is the worst of any smartphone I have heard. But in terms of low (nanny state) volume and poor SQ.
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
The sq is good it just need a good volume boost and equaliser mods to make the sound warmer. I couldn't get an answer yet if V4A is enough to boost the volume to something close to htc flagships or it's still too low.

Also I wonder if BT volume is higher than wired?? It's the case with note 4 even without any mods (tested with my sony sbh50)
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
Finally tested BT audio in the showroom, needless to say the saleswoman is not very happy to see me anymore, well sq wise it's 90% as good as on my M9, a little too much treble for my taste, but soundstage is very good. As for the volume it was on par with my m9's BT, I threw Neutron on the G4 and tried to boost the gain...it went louder than my m9 bt without muffling!!!

Pretty amazing!

The thing is that lg limited the max volume of the g4 while there are room for more. So this phone is not bad at all for audio, it just need v4a or neutron for better sq and volume.

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Finally tested BT audio in the showroom, needless to say the saleswoman is not very happy to see me anymore, well sq wise it's 90% as good as on my M9, a little too much treble for my taste, but soundstage is very good. As for the volume it was on par with my m9's BT, I threw Neutron on the G4 and tried to boost the gain...it went louder than my m9 bt without muffling!!!

Pretty amazing!

The thing is that lg limited the max volume of the g4 while there are room for more. So this phone is not bad at all for audio, it just need v4a or neutron for better sq and volume.
[G4 General] Usraek:
LG G4 Volume Boost Guide:

http://xdaforums.com/g4/themes-apps/guide-lg-g4-volume-boosting-t3182304
[G4 General] Valgrahf:
With Viper4Android even my crap ass casette adapter sounds great through my car speakers on the G4. Before Viper, though, the quality was no better than my Moto X 2013 or OnePlus One.
[G4 General] MagiCminD:
LG G4 sound... er....

Let me start by saying I do need a good and LOUD sound as I use my headphones (Bluetooth or wired) on my motorbike and so i need a very good quality and volume.

Samsung Galaxy Note and Galaxy S were fine

LG G3 was a "so so"... but ok.

Samsung Note 4 was AWSOME!!!

And LG G4... well... above 80Km/h I am not able to hear a thing. Decently, I mean...

I am not talking about high fidelity here... just the necessary sound fidelity to be able to recognize a music or someone's voice (I like to use phone instead of motorbike intercom when on trip with friends, we just set up a conference call and we are all talking) ..:

LG G4's sound is way too low on volume.

Too bad.
[G4 General] hakaida:
I believe that any decent usb dac/amp will work fine. I'll be testing all of my gear later today.
[G4 General] player911:
It is known that LG lowers the volume of the headphone port. On my G2 I had to edit the audio gains to make speakerphone and headphone audio louder.

But the speakerphone is pretty loud on the G4 and I use only bluetooth for audio transfer (which is nice and loud) so I am not going to bother with it.

My advice is to ditch the cord and use bluetooth
[G4 General] ocelot4ark:
I've started using a Fiio headphone amp if convenient, but it's not always convenient. Since I haven't rooted yet, I've found that the Equalizer FX program from the Play store works well enough for boosting volume. For some reason, I can't boost volume on anything other than the default profile, but that's fine.
[G4 General] opti1:
I haven't seen any mention of using USB OTG with an external DAC\amp. Has anyone tried that? How did that sound?

Also, I would be streaming or downloading music from Rhapsody which currently offers both at 320kbps. Is anyone doing that with the G4? How does that work for you?

Thanks!
[G4 General] vegetaleb:
BT Audio volume is very high in my car, it's almost as loud as with the M9 + AUX!!!

With my BT earphones Sony SBH50 the volume is easily above the M9's BT.

With the earphones though it's 2-3 steps lower than M9 but I just rooted my G4 and I will try V4A
[G4 General] hakaida:
I've tried several usb dac/amps (chord hugo, ifi micro idac, and RSA Intruder) with no problems with my 2 IEMs (noble k10 and jvc fx1100). Yes I'm a head fi guy if you're wondering.
[G4 General] academicbarzo:
Tried it with Dacmagic XS, and works very well
[G4 General] TheArabianKnightMC:
Can anybody compare it to the Note 3? I'm looking to upgrade to the G4
[G4 General] lamenramen:
Sound quality is good. iPhone 5s is my benchmark. I did not like the HTC one m8. The G4's bass isn't quite as tight, but it seems to have a fuller sound. Soundstage is good. I have no complaints.
[G4 General] MrDerrickC:
I use the JDS C5D with SE846 IEM, sounds much better than stock sound. Though the G4 sounded better than my G3, the G3 suffered a lot from interference when charging the phone.
[G4 General] TheArabianKnightMC:
So the g4 doesn't? That's good to hear
[G4 General] TheArabianKnightMC:
Yeah. Headphones that come with devices never tend to be good. With the exception of the Apple Earpods. I actually like those.
[G4 General] wadamean:
Thats weird because in the audiphile world the quad beats are considered one of the best bang for your buck headphones like the Xiaomi piston 2 and 3 in terms of sound quality.
[G4 General] Heisenberg420:
The m8 with full Harmon kardon conversion with some v4a tweaks is the best sound I've ever heard. Boomsound and Dolby are crap.

Definitely missing the audio quality from my m8. The g4 does have good mid to high ranges just the bass is non existent. Haven't got v4a up and running yet but surely it will help.
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
I think the Quadbeat 3 are pretty good, listen them with the right EQ.
[G4 General] G41LAH:
You know how if you turn up the EQ too high, and it sounds like every thing is getting distorted? Well thats how my headphones sounded on my G4. Not sure if anyone has this problem, or feels the same way, but I hated it. Even before I anabled ANY EQ, or root I had this problem. I found that changing a setting called "Limit Threshold" to -3.0 dB under expert ui mode on ViPER4Android FX solved the distotion issue for me. Now my headphones sound amazing.
[G4 General] Sirrobinr:
I just got the G4 and discovered yesterday that the sound quality is dismal at best. And this is compared to the G2, which was my previous phone and sounded great! I'm pleased with everything else, but sound is a big factor for me as well.
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
It says it's better than G2 and G3 in sound quality : http://www.qobuz.com/FR-fr/info/Hi-...io-HD/Ecoutes-de-la-section-audio-du-LG177324

If you don't understand french, use Google Translate

Edit : "Audio quality: net progress

We were a bit disappointed in much the audio quality of G3 (all types of files) and we expected at the turn of the G4, sword in hand.

Without going to write it sounds as do the Meizu MX4 Pro, the HTC One or some Samsung models, the G4 is a nice surprise. With classic themes, we are not ran away screaming of ospreys, far from it. Although we feel that the message is a little "cramped", the soundstage is, the dynamic is finally and crosstalk (separation between channels L and R) is present.

No supersaturation on the horizon, enough volume to feed most helmets audio once we disconnected the level limitation mode and distortion that does not appear as soon as one shakes a bit with the beast Wholesale dB ... it changes us other models tested.

LG "holds the right end" as we dare to write on this page, and G4 was able to broadcast music files 16-bit and 24 bravely and cheerfully. We just have to drive over a defined audio texture (the famous "eye for detail" in the audio message), and it will be all good. LG is on track with the G4."