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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] vmod32:
The only way and I mean only way I would even consider upgrading to a Note 5 of S6 Edge+ will be if it's vulnerable to ping pong root. I doubt this will be the case so it's bye bye Samsung, it's been a nice ride while it lasted. I've been using Samsung since the WM days. Should invest in shorting their stock as they are on their way out. We as a community may not be a big part of their market, but our word of mouth travels much further and they sure as hell will not be getting my endorsement anymore.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Well considering the moto x pure is going to be at least $300 less than the note 5, that is quite alright!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
Well sure, it's a good bang/buck but I definitely wouldn't describe the screens as the "same". One of the great features that Motorola pioneered was Active Notifications/Active Display. It works MUCH better on an OLED display than an LCD, especially at night. Although I am excited about the Moto X Pure and I do think it's a very good package for MOST people, I am a power user and am willing to pay more to get all the best cutting edge hardware and features because I pretty much live on my phone for both business and personal. The screen being one of the most important points to me since I am staring at it for hours and hours every day.

And I think most Note users are similarly power users and that's why they chose the Note line. That's why we are disappointed. Note 5 feels like a step backwards from the Note 4 and hardly the class-leading flagship it usually is every year.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Yeah I am concerned about the screen, however I'm hoping it turns out okay. Main thing I am worried about that phone. I think the stock android and most likely that it will be able to be rooted, will make up for it.

Note 5 is a huge disappointment, 100% agree with you there. I played with one today in best buy...stopped after a couple minutes. Maybe I didn't give it much time but absolutely nothing special about it. May be some cool software improvements but just so uninspiring. I remember playing with the note 4 and wow it was amazing, and like a new piece of technology. Note 5 feels nothing like an upgrade.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] chibilaharl:
My question for the xda elite is this: "as someone who is disappointed in the hiccups, and glitches of the note 4, and is disappointed in the note 5, what phone do I upgrade to?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] nh97103:
Agreed. I may just stick with my Note 4 until it dies, at this point. I refuse to buy a phone without an SD card slot and removable battery.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] chibilaharl:
My issue is, the note 4 doesn't work for me. I'm a long time note owner, but with random sim card errors, and my wife having random resets to homescreen, on top of having no option to root, I was seriously looking for something new to change to. With samsung removing the note 5 from viability, what's the new next phone to look foreward to?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
The solution is easy. Don't buy it.

If sales flop Samsung will buck the -copy apple- mentality and make a Note 5 "plus" that at least has memory expansion. I don't think a removable battery will happen again until the Note 6. Again, provided sales are bad. Hopefully my N4DE holds up until then.

I think the issue for US sales will be compounded with the carrier trend of moving away from contracts. People are less likely to pay 700+ dollars for a iPhone 6 plus copy cat when they can get the real thing. A stylus does not make up for Apples brand loyalty.

If there was a 128 option I would consider the Note 5. It makes me wonder what idiot at Samsung decided to shed the features the primary demographic wants then slap in the face with the crap for memory option... Hopefully some people lose their jobs over these horrible decisions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] doctor-cool:
Could be a marketing trick

Samsung knew all hell would break out. Later they will come back and pretend to be the hero when they bring back all the missing features. This is why the Note 5 is not being promoted in some of the smaller markets. Meanwhile they they make millions selling Note 5's to people that don't know any better. Hang on to your Note 4 till a real upgrade comes out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] nh97103:
The problem, I believe, in part, is that Samsung nailed it with the Note 4. I mean, where do you even go from as near of perfect as you can get right now? If it weren't for no root, I'd be 100% happy for the foreseeable future. I'm just hoping future updates open the door to some new root options.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
Well how about not dumping SD card and swappable batteries for one? I have a DE so with root and unlocked bootloader I think it's the perfect phone. Crazy though because I buy the new Note every year and I think I'm just sitting this one out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tbparkey:
Unfortunately with the Note 5 coming out soon the Developers will not waste time on the N4. Even the dev edition has minimal support as the retail continues to struggle with temp root. Time to look for the next big thing, not the N5.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fozza:
So are we all going to wait for the LG G4 pro then? I'm out of contract this month on my Note 3 and was expecting to be going to Note 5.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
If you like the Note 5 then grab it up. Just because there are a lot of people that are disappointed with the N5 doesn't mean that it won't be a great device. Provided you can live with the 64gb (likely to be more like 50 when all said and done) max memory, non removable battery and such. Can't really comment on root since the S6 got that pretty quick. Hopefully they didn't patch it and even more hopeful that didn't implement that retarded write protection though.

Otherwise, go with the G4 Pro Note whatever they are deciding to call it or the Moto X Pure when they come out. I would honestly wait to get the N5 even if I liked it. If the sales tank they are going to come out with a plus version real quick or drop the price till the Note 6 can get released.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] lisbon2004:
I couldn't agree with you.

Note 4 already has quite some install base. That will only keep growing, as the world has realized that Note 5 is a failure and has no microsd card slot. This phone will last, as it has balanced specs and no alternative at the moment. The development will continue...

As to Note 5, it will struggle for sure (with exynos being an additional issue).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] doctor-cool:
You beat me to it.

That's what I was thinking
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] XDAFTW:
Of course it did not come with Marshmellow. If it were coming with Marshmellow it would not have been released yet.

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While yes those three features are very important ones to us it does not warrant a cheaper device.

Aside from those three features everything else in the phone is more advanced and costly for the most part. In part cost and RnD.

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How on Earth are they crapple copy cats????? The Iphone 6/plus look like Galaxy Note 1s and Ativ s in their frame and shape. Most phones have bottom placed charger port, Samsung adopted bottom placed headphone jacks at least a couple years before apple did, and the frame of the S6/Note 5/edge/plus are newer and different looking. Not to mention the monster bezels, lack of edged displays and backs, and metal casing of iphones.

And Crapple does not include an SD card slot because they are control freaks and want to dictate what you can and cannot do. While taking things away from you and charging you more for it while telling you it's better.

The S6 and Note 5 lack SD slots because there is controller compatibility and bandwidth issues between the new solid state based memory and sd slot controllers. There is probably a little greed driven source just as there is in all companies, but there are actual reasons with it.

Many many many many other Androids lack one or both of these features and for no good reason usually. The first few LG G and Pro phones lacked both. The M7 lacked both and still lack removable backs.

The new One plus. Many Motorola devices even high end.

It sucks that Samsung took these features out, but they are far from the first and the only that have at least somewhat of a reason for not having an sd slot. And why is everything a copy of crapple in the end of every conversation whether it's a jealous isheep or angry android fan?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
Yeah because Samsung hasn't flat out lost litigation for the very issue or anything...

Samsung is trying to appeal to the iCrowd by designing devices that mimic their biggest competition... I guess there is nothing wrong with that. It just sucks when those devices aren't what I am looking to buy. Its not just the removal of the SD expansion, IR blaster, and removable battery... it's the entire frame that looks like it rolled off the FoxComn assembly line... Oh, the glass back... Yeah even Apple dumped that stupid idea... Hell their new tablet even fits iPad cases.....

I am a disappointed with this not angry or jealous. I will just take my business elsewhere. Simple as that.

Go ahead and get your fan boy book or rebuttles for their defense...... Obviously where you learned the over use of the term "crapple" how original....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] XDAFTW:
So apparently you are new to the phone area and cannot read what you are replying to very well. And then bring up legal cases you obviously did not actually look very deep into. That's ok. Have fun with that
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] XDAFTW:
Constructively.......I'm here with most people. Dissapointed about a lot. But I don't hate the device either.

I at least understand why they went the way they did....Does not mean I am happy about it. But I understand the technical issues with SD slot though I'm sure they could have put more effort in solving it. And I understand why they changed materials after practical every single comment on every site from users, trollers, and tech sites alike....even here.....All say the only way a phone is high quality or premium is to use glass or aluminum...And that Samsung phones are all terrible build quality and cheap ugly crap.....Nothing more than a bunch of childish bs but now we have to suffer in ways. It definitely does look and feel very nice I will admit.

However the removal of the ir blaster makes zero sense at all for any reason. And I actually think the frame of the Note 4 looks way more sophisticated/elegant.

Now what really gets me is almost using the exact same almost everything for the Note 5 as the S6.

-They could have at least used the Mp10 or 16 of the Mali.

-They already have an 8MP Isocell sensor for front cameras with a new filter and has a much improved signal to noise ratio in production since at least a few months ago.

-They could have opted for a 21MP Sony senor or worked at a new Isocell one. Slight lens bump could have helped.

-Battery life already seems very promising actually. However only going down to 7.9mm would have made it a lot thinner still but able to keep at least the 3200mah battery. Interesting enough is the S6 was supposed to be the same yet has suffered in battery life with basically the same software and hardware. So what is the difference???? A better modem in the Note 5?

-128Gb is possible but still out in the air.

-They increased from a 1 watt speaker to a 1.2 watt one. Interested to see where they go with that since the Note 4 has a great speaker and is rated around 82DB. Stereo speakers would have been great though. The Samsung Omnia HD had the best stereo speakers back in 2009. And 5 years later the M8 and Z3 only sounded a little bit better. But it took years in the Galaxy before they even got decent single speakers.

I'm sure there are a couple changes we are unaware of until deeper testing and tear downs. Like maybe slight changes in modem chips, chip integration, camera mechanics....We shall see.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
I know why. Blame Project Zero.

http://xdaforums.com/note5/help/disappointed-samsung-galaxy-note-5-t3183666

[MENTION=596066]bbbobbbo[/MENTION] You're right. Project Zero is the benign name for Samsungs Death.
[MENTION=1846109]hella356[/MENTION] If Samsung makes the Note 5 crappy, let's hope for a Note 5-E. :svetius: ;) :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fozzir:
No SD card, external batt or IR blaster? Sorry Samsung, Note 4 is my last "Galaxy" and I've had them all.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] nh97103:
I use those features almost daily. I could probably live without the IR blaster, but definitely not the first two.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
I said the same thing until after my sister came to visit. When she left she had packed my remote with her crap and flew back across country with it. Been using it ever since, even though the remote is back here. The update that added the lock screen icon made it really handy!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
Yes, all those features were very useful. With the S4, Samsung showed off with them, and now they're gone!

We want FEATURES!

Note = BUISNESS = HIGH FEAUTRE RANGE

and

S = FLEXIBILITY + PRATIQUE

but not APPLE!

As you say, [MENTION=1387021]fozzir[/MENTION], the 2015 Samsung Phones aren't real Galaxies anymore.

I can completely understand everybody here!!!!! :svetius: ‼
[MENTION=596066]bbbobbbo[/MENTION]'s Phone is a Note 4. He does not upgrade to a Note 5. Why? Because the Note 5's feature range is only 40 % from the Note 3. The Note 4 has lost enough features.
[MENTION=1846109]hella356[/MENTION]'s Phone is a S4. She tries to skip generations. (S2 - S4 - S6) - but beacuse of the S6, she's forced to take the S5, which is actually quite good. But the S6 does downforce everybody to the S5.

In the other Note 5 thread, you can vote, which side of Samsung you actually like.

http://xdaforums.com/note5/help/disappointed-samsung-galaxy-note-5-t3183666

[MENTION=763587]Neo3D[/MENTION] really hoped the best for Samsung. But also she's highly disappointed.

Neo3d's Thread: http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/samsung-expandable-storage-removable-t3050516/page2#post62442231
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] hella356:
hella356 is a He, not a She, but he agrees with you completely. :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
Sorry, sorry, sorry many times :eek:

Hella refers me to Helena which is a female name. Sorry for my mistake :)

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@bbbobbbo, the Note 4's feature range is still great in comparrison to the Note 5!

But every Samsung Fan is unable to upgrade, because the S6 and the Note 5 have too many disadvantages, which are highly disappointing, as everybody knows!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] hella356:
Hehe, no worries. Hella is a California slang word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella

As in: I think Samsung hella made a mistake by removing so many hella cool features.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] XDAFTW:
Lol. I picked that up from my ex who stayed in Cali for a while. Then when I said it at work one of my friends was like really? We have to go California now?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cnote74:
Plus if AT&T or Verizon note 5 is rooted it won't even boot up epic fail in my books.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
THIS. It's going to be less and less likely that retail versions of phones will get a workable root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] XDAFTW:
Really hoping they find a way around that similar to how they did with the S6
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cleopete:
On the bright side, I don't feel bad about getting the 4 late and not being able to upgrade. I like the Note 4 a lot, but I think it will probably be my last Samsung as long as rooting and unlocked boot loaders appear to be off the table. It's just too frustrating having such a fine piece of hardware slogging through some of the worst software ever devised for a phone. Next time around I might just leave VZ too and get a Nexus on Google's new 'network', they sent me the invite right after I bought the Note.

Seriously Samsung, if you're going to let Verizon lock your phones, at least quit the crappy TW.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Shemac:
The LGV10 looks like a better phone than the Note 5 even though it has an inferior processor. It has a removable battery, SD card slot, and IR Blaster. It also has 4GB RAM and the base built in storage is 64GB. It has a great res large 5.7" screen and is more rugged than the Note 5. The 3 cameras are pretty cool too! I'm keeping my Note 4 for a while but if I were needing a new phone right now I would go with the LGV10.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tbparkey:
But will the Verizon LG V10 ever see root?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] raduque:
I made a mistake when I switched from a Note 4 to a Galaxy S 6. Big mistake. I had tons of problems, lived with it for several months till I found a good promo (with Verizon, no T-Mobile shops here, mucho lost sales Big T) trade-in and got another Note 4.

The Note 5 is a scaled up S6 with a pen - I knew I'd be disappointed with it when it was announced.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] usmc_jd:
I have the note 4 developer edition and the nexus 6p. Just wrapped up the 6p to send back because I cannot deal with the non removable battery. What is frustrating with me is that these companies just want to go thinner and thinner...at the expense of the phone. I am definitely function over form. Whats the point in having a nice shiny new awesome looking phone if it is dead. I dont think that I will ever understand. Going back to the Note 4 and I too am done with Samsung.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] guho:
Just get the free LG g4 from Verizon. Good size, SD & removable battery. I have a 6p and love it but got the LG g4 for my wife.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
But as [MENTION=1846109]hella356[/MENTION] already mentioned, virtual On-Screen-Keys are not desirable, especially the ugly ones (Triangle, Circle, Square) from Andriod Lollipop and higher. They eat place and can be touched accidentally easily. Samsung was the only manufacturer with Physical Button and Android and Removable Battery, MicroSD, etc.

but that changed.

http://xdaforums.com/note5/help/disappointed-samsung-galaxy-note-5-t3183666
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plymouthbiker1:
What a pile of trash.

What were Samsung thinking with the Note 5. Not that I can get it, it's not available in the UK.

So off I go now, two years done on my contract with the Note 3.... But what on earth can I buy??? I can't find anything similar.

SO... My Note 3 vs Note 5

Note 3- 32GB+ 32GB card (both near full)

Note 5 -32GB

Note 3 IR scanner

Note 5 N/A

Note 3 removable battery

Note 5 N/A

It's a downgrade... The only thing i can see is better is the camera. Which is hardly much Megapixel wise compared to my 2 year old note 3.

Oh and its metal... but that's hardly anything on function. I might as well get an iPhone if I'm that concerned on metal.

Samsung need to do their research and listen to their users on what they really want and keep what they have already.

You don't make a swis army knife and the next year remove several tools, make it out of wood because it looks nice and pop a higher price on it.

Now battery, I don't mind too much as as the note has always had a strong one, but for a business user, away from home, i'm sure this was also a move in the wrong direction.

I'd like to see:-

a camera on par with the sony z5 premium or more

Screen resolution like the Z5 premium (useful if using VR)

Stereo speakers

Super fast charging (seconds or a few min)

Support for two sims (UK version)

Must have!!

Bring back the memory car with a minimum of 200gb support or higher

64GB memory standard storage (32GB was sooo two years ago)

Reintroduction of IR port

The pen!!!

Finger print scanner

IR port

Wireless charging

USB C

The absolute latest version of android!

High capacity battery greater than the note 5.

Would be nice if possible

Metal chassis with a removable battery!? If not either two versions one with one without giving an option.

I don't want much do I? But if you want me to buy the next note, then that's the key in my mind.

The Note 3 compared to the rest of the market when launched was the absolute cream of the crop. Pretty much everything with it was better than any other phone at the time. But now the key features have been removed that made my Note 3 great are missing in the Note 5 with the added lack of better features compared to the others.

I worry Samsung is going the same greedy way as Apple did. Reinventing a perfectly good wheel, and making out it's better than it really is while missing out the wheel nuts that people needed and used.

GET IT TOGETHER SAMSUNG!!!!

I am so close to walking away and getting a Sony Z5 Premium (memory card/water proof/hugely better camera/superb screen) The biggest thing holding me back is the lack of the pen being a photographer and photo editor.

What to do..... :confused: :eek:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
You are a genius.

Here's why: http://xdaforums.com/note5/help/disappointed-samsung-galaxy-note-5-t3183666

If somebody tells you, that you're „whining“, just don't feel intimidated. We are the real power users. (also [MENTION=596066]bbbobbbo[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1846109]hella356[/MENTION] are true power users).

We all want features. Once upon a time, appreciated Samsung for that.

Nobody expected, Samsung to perform so badly in 2015.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] aweskelo:
I just came for the pity party whine and to possibly witness the death of the Note line of phones. This is first year in many years that I did not buy the latest and greatest Note/Sammy phone.

I am a power user, and will be hanging on to my two Note 4's for another year.

Was a fan of Samsung, and now... well I'm very very disappointed in the Note 5.

If I wanted a lemming f-ing iPhone, I'd buy a f-ing iPhone. I don't want an iPhone. I want an open OS, a removable battery, and expandable storage.

I will consider any manufacturer that comes close to the Note 4 in 2016.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-electronics-replaces-mobile-chief-1448934913

http://www.informationweek.com/mobile/mobile-business/samsung-mobile-ceo-out-as-smartphone-sales-sag/a/d-id/1323362
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
I can understand you.

All power users are disappointed. But let's hope the Note6 to be a good phone for power users, with many features and 4160 mAh etc.

Samsung must come back to the good side

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That is no winning at all.

If somebody tells you that you are winning about lost features or anything else, that only power users understand, just don't let them intimidating you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plymouthbiker1:
I'm think I'm going to be sensible.... Sod getting another phone and waiting another two years....

My note 3 still performs brilliantly and still better than most of the top end phones today, two years on.

I love the time I can upgrade. But there is really not a lot around that makes me want to sign up for another two years....

So, I'm going to do something I've never done before....

Wait..... and see what the market will bring.

It's going to drive me mental. haha!

In the mean time I might just treat myself to a new Rom to bide my time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] hella356:
Hopefully Samsung will offer a removable battery/SD card variant of the Note 6 & S7. That's not to say they shouldn't release a sealed battery/no SD version, as well: they should do both & make all Samsung fans happy. Considering the vast number of models they make, it would seem to me that Samsung would benefit from additional choices at flagship prices. I'd pay top dollar for a 5.1" or 5.2" S7 with 128GB (or more) of built-in storage (+ my 128GB SD) & removable battery.