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[Galaxy Note5 General] DAvid_B:
It's not the end all Be all. But trying to do any real work on a 5 inch screen is not efficient.

Heck, even typing on a touch screen is the definition of inefficiency.

Get a laptop.

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Millions? Lol

Maybe for people that use it for checking in or out work. Anything more that involves real typing or real visualization not so much.
[Galaxy Note5 General] princeasi:
My sentiments exactly!
[Galaxy Note5 General] ryanalan82:
I think using Swype, having used Swype exclusively for the past five 5 yrs on phones, I am better swyping more than typing and I type 40 wpm. I know 40 wpm isn't probably your 60 or 70, but sufficient for most. Pecking and using a normal mobile keyboard or iOS's than I see your point.
[Galaxy Note5 General] kolembo:
I'm skipping the N5.

Let's see what happens next year.

I love the Note's so, I'll wait.

Meanwhile, Z5 Premium.
[Galaxy Note5 General] BarryH_GEG:
Not for discussion here, but prospective Z5P owners may be interested in this. The mystery of a 4k display

and

claimed great battery life has been solved.

http://www.xda-developers.com/the-z5-premiums-resolution-is-not-always-4k-and-thats-a-good-thing/
[Galaxy Note5 General] JesseMT4G:
I just think it comes down to how you use your phone. Everyone is different. I don't store a ton of music or movies on my phone. I stream most of the time, which is usually music at the gym. At work, I just don't have time to be on my phone much. I rarely use the s-pen, however like it when I need it. I get a days worth of battery and over 4 hours SOT which is way better than my g3. Also without question, at least IMO it's the nicest looking phone out there, plus is easy to hold. Will definitely be using this for the better part of two years.

I have had the note 2 and 3 to boot.
[Galaxy Note5 General] BarryH_GEG:
You can't down an elk with a BB gun. ;)
[Galaxy Note5 General] Pat.:
I'm reading things here like

....Carry a tablet & stop tying to use a phone for real work.. oh right so people who have successfully achieved "real work" for a number of years on Note's are now asking too much ?

Well silly old us for having the audacity to expect some level of basic continuity ; )
[Galaxy Note5 General] asrebel:
Amen! One of the most frustrating things in XDA is when people telling me I'm using a device not as it's intended....especially when literally EVERYTHING I do is stuff that Samsung PROMOTED for the Note 4. I'm starting to suspect that some of our XDA members must secretly work with Apple; I half expect someone to tell me I'm holding my phone wrong. ;)

IMHO: This is also part of the reason why Android is on the decline. Sales of the S6 and Note 5 have been reported as "sluggish" and to have "fallen far short of expectations". Samsung is trying to put the lid on sales numbers (or slanting them with Korean numbers like they did for the S5), but that's difficult to do when you are cutting orders from your suppliers.

Android losing ground in 2015: http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp

Samsung losing Market Share (down 2%): http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3115517

Apple beats expectations with iPhone revenue up 59% over last year (iPhone sales up 60% year over year): http://bgr.com/2015/07/21/apple-earnings-iphone-sales-q3-2015/

iPhone 6 (not 6S yet) triggers record number of Android switchers: http://bgr.com/2015/07/22/iphone-vs-android-switchers/

I guess my point is that Android needs to celebrate its diversity and flexibility. The more and more we start telling people we are using devices wrong, the more everyone starts making similar Apple-like devices, the less likely Samsung and/or Android is going to pull out of this slump.
[Galaxy Note5 General] joshuah22a:
I'm just going to hold out until Oct and possibly getting the note if the g5 pro doesn't offer a better alternative..z5 looks good but no pen.. ugh..crossing my fingers for the g4 to be a good one!
[Galaxy Note5 General] rushless:
I think the Note 5 is a great device that fits some users, but does not fit some of Note 3 and 4 users, nor is it swaying many iPhone users. Hence the apparent decline.

Samsung made a device with less differentiation and are seeing their sales apparently taking an even bigger hit than the S6 did. They probably lost a lot more current Note users than gained in iPhone users.

Samsung needs to understand they took a hit last year due to bigger displayed iPhones and not because their devices had sd slots, replaceable batteries or non glass cases.

Samsung should have focused design more on their current users rather than iPhone users bound and committed to their app and media ecosystem. Also the strangely IMO loved iTunes. The device itself is secondary to them.
[Galaxy Note5 General] joshuah22a:
Where did you read about the note 5 selling poorly? Great news to my ears! Hopefully next year they will listen to their customers! Knowing them they'll make a note 5.5 by early next year and the 6 later in 2016...
[Galaxy Note5 General] rushless:
Analysts are speculating due to the lack of the usual Samsung announcements at this point. Whatever the case, I doubt Samsung would reverse course on the device changes they made. Hubris is a beeaauuch.
[Galaxy Note5 General] BarryH_GEG:
Let's survey the landscape. LG reported making $1 per phone they sold in Q2 which isn't sustainable based on the required R&D investment. Sony's losing $1M a day in mobile. HTC's on its deathbed. Lenovo's Mobile Group (including Motorola) lost $300+M in Q2 which is why they're restructuring it. All sell high-end phones with some or all of the features the armchair quarterbacks here ( not you [MENTION=788411]rushless[/MENTION] ) are saying is Samsung's salvation.

The high-end market which is the most competitive and drives the most profit is retrenching and new players offering 80% of high-end features at 1/3 to 1/2 the price are accelerating the decline. So no one's doing well and analysts are even itchy about Apple because 80% of their revenue comes from iPhone and they aren't immune from the same things other OEMs are when it comes to things like market maturity and macro economic conditions.

Against the market landscape it would take divine intervention for Samsung Mobile to start showing substantial YOY growth via the S6/Note line alone. The question to be asked is how much worse would S6/Note sales have been if they released another derivative set of plastic backed, memory expandable, battery changeable devices with even more resource hogging features? I'd personally guess a lot worse than where they are right now. They did something big and bold and pissed off the 5+/-% of the market that even cares about what's been discussed in this tread. That 5% loves HTC and look what that's gotten them. The views of XDA'rs don't represent the market.

Samsung made $5B in profit from mobile (not counting chips and memory) in Q1/2 on $22B in revenue. Any of the aforementioned companies (except Apple) would kill for 1/10 of that.
[Galaxy Note5 General] veli69:
The more Samsung makes there phones like the iPhone they more sales they will loose. Android is slowly becoming more restricted more locked down and less differentiated from IOS. At this point i am seriously considering a jail broken Iphone. I like having all my photos on my phone its incredibly handy, with the cost of data plans this reliance of always being connected is retarded.

Why doesn't the note have stereo speakers? Fine its a niche feature but its not going to hurt sales, same thing with the IR blaster. The removal of the 128GB option on their "FLAG SHIP" killed the phone for me.

So to recap in 2015 we have a note that

Losses the IR blaster

Losses the SD Card

Losses the removal battery

And for that we gained a prettier phone..
[Galaxy Note5 General] jbadboy2007:
This phone is beast but it does have its quirks. I would appreciate an SD card slot but it's not that big of deal for me. For the removable battery come on this charges so fast it's really not necessary. Ir is seriously so 1980's so everyone crying about that really need to figure out WiFi remotes. I would love stereo speakers on this but at least this speaker faces the bottom so it doesn't get drowned out by your finger. The only real complaints I have about this device is the ram management that's it but that will be fixed soon enough.
[Galaxy Note5 General] rushless:
My point is Samsung's net decline though is being exacerbated by Samsung essentially alienating a lot of their current Note users and expecting iPhone users to bail to Samsung, when the vast majority consider the device itself secondary to the ecosystem/iTunes. I think sales are not too pretty based on anecdotal info of Best Buy and Verizon reps, plus no Samsung PR hyperbole that we have seen on every device since the Note 1. Added: I would not be too surprised if we saw a N5 refresh with a microsd ;) I guess I am joking ;)

Samsung seems their worst own enemy, since are aiding their market decline beyond systemic market events (iPhone bigger displays cutting their share, people hanging on to their devices longer, shrinking discretionary income, etc).
[Galaxy Note5 General] robroy90:
1. Hope you have unlimited data and 5 bars everywhere you go to get your content down to your phone you can no longer store on an SD card.

2. Call me when they have Quick Charge to a point where I can go from a dead battery to a full one in about 10 seconds (and get the freshness that only comes from a reboot as a bonus).

3. 2015 called and wishes to remind you that IR is still quite relevant. Ever needed to turn on a TV high up on the wall (or off) or a ceiling mounted projector because some asshat stole the remote?

And for a bonus:

4. The Note 5 removed MHL support. Seriously? Why on earth would you remove such a handy feature when you cannot or do not want to use screen mirroring for a whole host of reasons.

I seriously hope Samsung takes it in the rear on the Note 5 and starts giving them away with the purchase of a bluetooth headset. At least the headset is worth buying.
[Galaxy Note5 General] pakure:
Lot of burn in this thread... I totally understand... But the truth would be that note 5 will turn out to be the most sold note version ever even without being released in the Europe...
[Galaxy Note5 General] polish_pat:
Coming from all previous Galaxy S and Note phones, I would not exactly say its a step backwards, but perharps a swap in features...they gave up and little and gained a little.

Coming from the S6 edge, i can tell you the Note 5 is steps ahead of it. As for the Note 4, well, it depends. The Note 5 is a jewel, the Note 4 is a classic. You can't go wrong with either. its really up to the user to see if he prefers something that feels like a diamond or something with faux leather. Yes, yes, no removable battery or SD slot, its been said millionsof times...but if you've been with samsung long enough, you know they take risks all the time. If enough people complain about the SD card, it might very well be back on next gen. As for removable battery, for me its not an issue, as i can fully recharge my phone in 1 hour, and with next gen wireless charging at our door, it wont take long before we can go from 0 to 100 in close to 30 minutes. I bought a 10000mah anker battery pack just in case for 20$ but until now, i didnt have to use it. I love the Note 5, its build like a piece or art. Refinement at its best. I would have liked an SD also, but i have managed to live without it. With a 15GB data plan, and google music that allows 50K songs on the cloud, my biggest space taker is not a problem anymore. I'm sure those that have 1 or 2gbs of data would love to have an SD card back, but we all knew the note 5 didnt come with it and somehow some people still complain about a conscious decision they made. Let samsung try out something else, at least they are not so predicatble like apple. Hell i can even predicts the iphone 10.

I'm almost 100% certain next gen will see SD card back, or at least double or triple stock capacity for same price. Samsung are the biggest flash memory manufacturer in the world, they can certainly put a 64GB memory module that wont cost them more than 10$ to make.
[Galaxy Note5 General] BarryH_GEG:
No one outside Samsung knows what their goals are as part of this reinvention. I'm sure they expected fall out and customer loss from removing features (expandable storage, removable battery) they themselves used to promote as valuable. But the net affect I'm sure was anticipated growth. Otherwise they wouldn't have done it. With the market performing the way it is, unless they're idealistic idiots, flat YOY sales/profit or a better-than-market decline should be considered a victory.

When Android offered something concrete that iOS didn't, bigger displays, people did move from iOS to Android. But it's pretty amazing how many moved back or defected as soon as Apple offered larger displays. So they can be made to move it's just a matter of how much of what Samsung's done will motivate them.

I know some of the AT&T corporate store managers in my city. They're selling them as fast as they come in. I put that reference in the same camp as your two - scientifically invalid. ;)

1.9B mobile phones will be sold in 2015. XDA has 6.7M members of which 350K have used the site within the past thirty days. I've said it before, XDA does not represent the wants, needs, and drivers of the market. Our technical acumen goes over the heads of people actually buying phones. Do you have non-tech friends and family? The majority of people in my circles are non-tech (and iPhone/Pad users). When they ask me "what's different about your new phone?" any mention of h/w improvements makes their eyes roll. That's pretty typical of the masses.

What they look for is pretty simple actually...

This is the market Samsung's thrashing in and what's causing other OEMs to tank as well...
[Galaxy Note5 General] jbadboy2007:
I do have unlimited data but I don't use the cloud that's why there is otg usb. This will recharge 50% in 25 minutes or have an external battery charging pack if you really need it but this device is the most efficient device yet. Mhl is a moot point when there is chromecast. With all newer smart tv's they all have WiFi remote apps. With ir you must point phone directly at TV with a WiFi remote it doesn't matter where your pointing your phone at. Point is there will always be people that find flaws in any device but most of the times there are alternatives to what you were used too. The hardware on this device is amazing.
[Galaxy Note5 General] polish_pat:
Everybody should use the cloud at least for the things that dont matter like music.
[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
You have to look at this what is the bigger market for Samsung? IPhone users and new users coming to the note 5 or s6/edge/edge+ or current note users? We all the which market is bigger and I don't like it either I'd love to have note 5 developer edition with sd slot and removable battery. Perfect phone imo but nope they don't want to do that
[Galaxy Note5 General] WoodyBlues:
My wife and I just got Note 5's. I had not intention of upgrading. I had a Nexus 6, and I loved the size... Actually loved EVERYTHING about the phone, but being in a hurry on night and sitting it on top of our car cost me a shattered screen. I didn't really have an extra $200 lying around for an insurance deductible, so I leased the note 5. I got to say, this phone is a beast... Now I personally haven't had a note of any kind before so im comparing this to the Nexus 6.... Which I loved! I never thought that I would enjoy a Samsung device such as this. Ive NEVER liked touchwiz, and I HATE bloatware with a passion. However, on this phone, most of what I hated, as far as apps go, could be deleted. MOST, but not all. Im ok with a non removable battery, and 32 gigs of memory has always been plenty for me as my pictures are stored on google, and I use google music for all my musical needs. The most impressive part of this phone is the camera. This thing takes GREAT pics and im really going to enjoy using it for the next year or so. My wife liked it too! So much so that 3 days later, we were getting her one. GREAT PHONE!
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[Galaxy Note5 General] tiguy99:
That would ROCK!!!

I'd buy in a heartbeat if they made that
[Galaxy Note5 General] polish_pat:
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[Galaxy Note5 General] cvaria:
I just dont think that new users are coming to the note from apple. Apple actually just nailed the 6s/6s+. Apple loveres are almost irritational when it comes to iphones. Samsung watering down the note was pointless. Its greed. They lost my 800 by doing so. The s6 is not selling well and the note 5 /s6e+ will cool off by the end of this month... forgotten. But what else is there?

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[Galaxy Note5 General] Neo:
Alright guys that's enough now.

I stand by the decision made by the moderator to clean this thread and inform all participants of the rules being violated here by multiple members.

Further discussion on this will not be tolerated so keep things on topic. The guy who caused this whole ruckus to begin with is on vacation if you've noticed so no need to squabble further.

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[Galaxy Note5 General] BarryH_GEG:
Samsung's actually making a 3,400mAh wireless charging pack for the Note 5. It's the equivalent of $79 in Asia.

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[Galaxy Note5 General] oneandroidnut:
Me too!!! The note 5 feels perfect in hand and ran flawlessly. I just need unlocked bl for root and removable battery & storage

I agree. I don't think it will take long to cool off. Was it ever selling that well? I'd like to see a report compared to the note 4

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[Galaxy Note5 General] polish_pat:
So to each their own. I don't think the note 5 is a step back, they took out some features useful for some, but not necessary for others. I personally love my note 5, it turns a lot more heads than any previous notes. Were still in the first month, and im sure a lot more things will get optimized. When marshmallow comes out it will be even better
[Galaxy Note5 General] BarryH_GEG:
No high-end non-Apple smartphones are selling well and every OEM is down YOY and missed their quarterly guidance. Profit wise in mobile during Q2 LG made $173K, Sony lost $184M, Lenovo/Motorola lost $392M, and HTC lost $167M. Samsung made $2.2B but that's down from last year. The rest of the year isn't going to be any better and no high-end devices launched by any OEM are going to change the current downward trend.

Here's what to expect from Samsung in Q3...

While the [mobile] unit reported a Q1 and Q2 profit of 2.74 trillion won ($2.34 billion) and 2.76 trillion won ($2.36 billion), respectively, the Q3 profit is expected to remain below 2 trillion won.

Although the South Korean company's mobile shipments have increased in Q3, the drop in profit is being attributed to the slowing demand of Samsung's high-end smartphones, where, of course, the margins are comparatively higher.​

Samsung has two choices. They can either reduce the number of devices they sell to preserve the ASP and their margin or they can sell more devices like the A-series to keep up quantity and sacrifice margin. Analysts expect them to do the latter. Regardless, with near high-spec phones from the Chinese having ASP's 25-50% lower than name brand flagships and the high-end market maturing we'll never see the days of a killer non-Apple high-end phone singularly creating the fortunes they once did.

So the entire mobile market is sucking and Samsung is just sucking less because of their brand and scale. I predict HTC will be gone within 18 months and Sony will sell or JV their mobile division in the same time frame. Just like the auto market didn't need Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, and Plymouth the mobile market doesn't need as many smartphone manufacturers.

The answer to the question "will the S6 family and Note 5 sell better than their predecessors?" is no. But the same applies universally in the high-end market. It is what it is. ;)
[Galaxy Note5 General] pakure:
Samsung knows what they are doing... They pushed for the s6 edge and edge + over the note... And remember they aren't even launching the note in Europe and lot of countries... Why, even in India where it is now manufactured, it hasn't yet launched the 64gb though it was announced and preordered...

We might be mad about their decisions, but they know what they are doing.. And they didn't become so big without knowing what they were doing
[Galaxy Note5 General] cvaria:
Thats already available as the qi stone.

http://www.fonesalesman.com/products/qistone-plus

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Thats what they said about lollipop on the 4. Molasses
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[Galaxy Note5 General] CB620:
The 128gb is available on Samsung site btw
[Galaxy Note5 General] calinormy:
I can't see the options for 128 gb anywhere. Could you post a link? Thanks
[Galaxy Note5 General] weirdingway:
Your opinion carries no merit if you have nothing to say about the device. If you want a Note 5, why not contribute as to why you want a device that has a ton of features removed?
[Galaxy Note5 General] RMXO:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N920TZWFTMB

Besides IR, microSD, slightly smaller battery, & removable battery, which tons of feature are you talking about?