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[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
Yeah, I imagine for a lot of people it won't be a problem. But until they refarm around here, I'd be stuck on 2G half the time.

But if I can get my hands on the international version instead of the US version when it comes out, I won't have to worry, since it seems to have *all* the T-Mobile bands.
[X Style (Pure) General] Geordie Affy:
I wouldn't mind posting you it from here in the UK but the conversion rate will make it expensive for you.

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[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
I appreciate the thought, but you are of course correct. Thinking I may just wait and see if maybe the refarming effort makes it to my area before the phone comes out. Since it's supposed to be mostly done by end of year, and I'm in an area that gets at least a little love from T-Mobile, perhaps it'll time out right for me.
[X Style (Pure) General] Geordie Affy:
[emoji6]

Yeah I won't be getting good LTE signal in my area but hopefully the network I'm with are going to be doing some work on it. Its just a waiting game really lol. It always seems like every area I move to has crap signal haha.

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[X Style (Pure) General] gonzalez11:
Hmm...I used the site willmyphonework.net to test out both versions and I found a little difference. The global version supports both 1700 & 1900 MHz on 3G speed. Other than that, both are the same for LTE & 2G and work perfectly. Can anyone help me translate this into English and tell us which is more beneficial? :confused:

[IMG="Moto X Style (International)"]http://i.imgur.com/VRFnhYK.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="Moto X Pure (US)"]http://i.imgur.com/hCnQzR7.png[/IMG]
[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
Yeah, that was what I was getting at. Both versions seem identical as far as what T-Mobile needs, except for that 1700 MHz on the international version. Seems odd to me that they'd leave something like that out for the US version.
[X Style (Pure) General] gonzalez11:
Does the additional 1700 MHz band mean better coverage for Tmobile in the US, or does Tmobile not use that one?
[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
They use 1900 MHz for their refarmed HSPA+ areas, but there's still many areas (like mine) that use 1700 MHz for that.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
AFAIK much more of their coverage uses 1700 than 1900.
[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
True. 1900 is only as recent as their refarming, whereas 1700 they've been using for quite a while.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
If you buy the international rather than the US are you going to be less likely to get tmobile wifi calling and volte with an update?
[X Style (Pure) General] hello00:
we wont be getting tmo wifi calling regardless
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
Wifi calling maybe with marshmallow? But possibly volte?

And wonder if US vs international would matter? I guess that's a lot of unknowns.
[X Style (Pure) General] Ganondroid:
What's the point in Motorola making two versions in the first place? If all versions are sold carrier free, the LTE bands should be turned on for each carrier worldwide. Qualcomm modems support any band and frequency so long as the device has the correct firmware to leave them open.

In my opinion, it would probably be best to purchase the Pure (US) Edition to make sure it will work on all carriers in the US. After that I would root and turn on the 1700MHz frequency. Seeing how huge this issue will probably become, I'm sure someone will figure this out and post a guide on the forums. You may be best off waiting to see if this is the case.

Btw, my personal choice in this situation would be to switch carriers to AT&T or even Verizon, for the better coverage. Since Wifi Calling is supported natively when Marshmallow inevitably is released for these devices, there shouldn't be too much of a downside for anyone switching from TMO anymore (so long as carriers don't block out the wifi calling capabilities).
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
True that we will have WiFi calling via Marshmallow. It already works in stock betas that have been tested with other devices. No need for a separate all from T-Mobile.

But, how can 1700 be turned on in the US version, if the device does not have a 1700 radio? Since 1700 is not in the spec of the US version. It may not have a 1700 radio to activate.
[X Style (Pure) General] Ganondroid:
All of the frequencies use the same radio. So if a phone is LTE capable, then it has all of the bands available. Lot's of times carriers will only activate the specific bands that are needed for their networks to make it harder to switch companies.

Here is a generalized guide for all qualcomm SoCs. This should work in theory, but again, nobody has been able to test it on the Moto x yet.

http://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/thread-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Moto has no incentive, or do they? To not have a band active?

It's supposed to be a carrier free device, so there's no incentive for them to not have a band active. I'm really hoping they just mistakenly forgot to mention 1700 and it works.
[X Style (Pure) General] Ganondroid:
I don't actually know why Moto would leave out that very important band. Maybe they have a personal vendetta against TMO.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
I know it's speculation but what would Tmobile's corporate position be on marshmallow activated wifi calling from an unlocked device? The uncarrier thing would be to welcome with open arms but the typical carrier thing would be to protect a proprietary feature for only their own branded devices?
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Marshmallow preview ROMs are not carrier ROMs and work fine with T-Mobile WiFi calling.

T-Mobile Visual VM will also be supported in M.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
I hope you're right but I think you're being a total optimist to believe that it will be wide open on Marshmallow. I know some have it working on M preview but most do not. Seems like its a combo of having a Nexus 6 only and the right SIM settings. It won't even work on a N5 M preview at this point AFAIK.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Please cite your source regarding N5 issues with T-Mobile WiFi calling using Android M Preview ROMs. For a paying T-Mobile USA customer.

I cited a source for you in another thread where you discussed this with me, showing the Android M Preview ROM works and in that case it was not a N6.

I have seen no sources of there being issues, so you show us please.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=61024344&postcount=2
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Seems they are talking about everything but T-Mobile WiFi calling. It's all posts from people discussing battery life and other things. Most like not even T-Mobile customers. One person in the 35 pages of posts, mentioned they can open and make the setting change, but it's not sticky for them. There's really no WiFi calling discussion going on there. The thread was taken over with other M discussion.

You got a better source that leads you to feel it won't work at all?
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
I didn't see it wouldn't work. (and you're very aware of that). I said there isn't anything solid enough to positively confirm that the carriers would open it up.

And if you have anything with it working on M preview with devices other than the N6 (N5 would be nice) would you please share.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I was looking over this thread more deeply. My apologies, it is an N6. But it seems WiFi calling works in the N6, because it has everything needed for Project Fi. So, if the Moto has all that is needed for Project Fi, it will work with T-Mobile WiFi calling too.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
"If the moto has everything needed for project fi". Has anyone (like moto or google) made any statements to that effect?
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Moto made the N6, so it's possible. However, Project Fi is not yet being pushed for other devices beyond the N6 yet. Since it's just a preview, but goes live soon. Bottom line, I'm pretty sure Google will open it up to expand the service. They know and we know, if it's only on N6+ devices, that it will certainly be a failed "Project". We'll see, but there's more to indicate it may than not. Unless Google makes the bad move, to never open Project Fi beyond Nexus phones.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
I think we are in agreement. Let's hope it happens.
[X Style (Pure) General] Ganondroid:
The main hurdle I see for Project Fi is finding phones that support Sprint's CDMA frequencies and TMO's GSM frequencies. I'm sure a few sprint phones do already, but not many will support those plus all of the LTE bands. I think that's why it's just the N6 right now. The Moto X Pure would seem like an excellent candidate to me.

P.S. The iPhone 6 would also work if google could install extra software for the added wifi features. Not that anyone here would want that...
[X Style (Pure) General] Ganondroid:
Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed that on the Moto X Pure's page on Moto's website under UMTA/HSPA+ 1700 (AWS) is listed as an available frequency.
[X Style (Pure) General] Saturn1217:
Must have been updated recently! I've been checking the site repeatedly and this is the first time I've seen that. Thanks for the tip!
[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
I actually just came here to mention the same thing... lol. Been keeping an eye on the page here and there, and it seems after the hundredth update to the page (feels that way anyway), they did add that to the list. So now we can all breathe easy :)
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Yea, now we can carry on over the potential for WiFi calling, battery life, Leveno gutting and such :D
[X Style (Pure) General] Gamesoul Master:
My thoughts exactly... :D But as the TC, I didn't wanna say it and have people thinking this thread should turn into that then. Not sure how the mods are on this particular phone's board... lol.
[X Style (Pure) General] HammDroid:
Anyone received any official word on whether or not FULL VoLTE will be supported for T-Mobile's 700mhz, band 12?

I've posed this question directly to Motorola as well as numerous sites, and received no confirmation of this.

John Legere posted on Twitter that any unlocked device or device not sold by T-Mobile would not support this. If this is the case, then the 700mhz band 12 will be removed entirely as it was on other, previous Moto devices, in updates, making it pointless for me to even consider if I want to use T-Mobile in my area.

Test drove T-Mobile a couple months back before they rolled out on that spectrum in my area and it was awesome, except for atrocious building penetrating and the more outlying rural areas.

I'm hoping Motorola opted to pay for VoLTE e911 certification with T-Mobile, or they come to some other arrangement, but if not then I'll just stick with my HTC ONE M8 on Sprint until a better more viable option comes along... Possibly a 2015 Nexus device.
[X Style (Pure) General] theRZA001:
This would be such a shame. How is there no concrete answer on this yet?
[X Style (Pure) General] thegreatone3:
Will we miss out on this T-Mobile feature as well on the new Moto X?

T-Mobile makes video calling much easier for select Android phones http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-makes-video-calling-much-easier-select-android-phones

Sent from my SM-N910T
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
I would bet yes, it won't be there. I'm thinking if you want this, wifi calling, and volte you're going to have to buy a tmo phone. I know there are hopefuls out there but I wouldn't bet on it. The new Nexus 6 may be the best you can get with these features. And that's not guaranteed either.
[X Style (Pure) General] Hatzy:
For now, we're screwed as far as band 12 goes. I was chatting with a Moto rep today but she was useless. Just giving me scripted answers. Then I decided to chat with a Tmo rep and this is what he told me:
[X Style (Pure) General] HammDroid:
Thanks for the update! This is the conclusion I had come to, since Motorola wouldn't respond to my numerous requests for information about this...

I'll hold out hope, but in the meantime am looking for other options, such as the new Nexus devices.

Very disappointing however, even if they do get it added in later. I feel like this could have MUCH better been communicated and more transparency involved. Also, something could/should have been done well before release.

Edit: just another potential device is the Robin from NextBit (found on KickStarter). I asked them about it supporting VoLTE on band 12. They answered that it does, but in a somewhat ambiguous statement, so I've asked for further clarification. Also, might be a little awhile before the phone actually gets released.
[X Style (Pure) General] Hatzy:
I hated to do it, but I ended up just buying that monstrosity of a phone, the Nexus 6. Normally, I wouldn't have done it but Amazon has a HUGE sale on it right now. $300 off for both versions of it. Hate the idea of carrying around a phone that big but at least I know it has B12 and Wifi calling.
[X Style (Pure) General] HammDroid:
Test drove T-Mo with that device prior to them rolling out the 700mhz spectrum here. I really liked the phone except when I had to hold it up for a phone call more than a few minutes. Not comfortable to hold as a phone for very long, for me. Even if it was just a quarter inch smaller I'm pretty sure it would have been fine, and loved the screen real estate. I ended up deciding that T-Mo was a no go for me until they rolled out the 700mhz band 12 spectrum, since they're signal inside buildings here was pretty bad and still a few to many outlying locations their other bands were not quite hitting.

That's why I was counting on the Moto X pure, with more having that spectrum available.

I'll just continue my holdout for the time being and see what happens.
[X Style (Pure) General] Hatzy:
Well I'm coming off of a Nexus 4. Been running with that the last 3 years and I swore up and down that the next phone I purchased would be able to use Band 12 (Wifi calling is just an added bonus). Even after this news about Moto boning us on Band 12, I was willing to wait it out. That is, until my N4 got run over by around a dozen vehicles on the road. So I need a replacement pretty fast. I can't really afford to wait and see what unlocked phones Tmo is going to graciously bestow Band 12 on. And quite honestly, I'm pissed with Tmo right now that they are making it a pain for manufacturers to get VoLTE cert. And I'm pissed that Moto is too lazy/cheap to get it. And I'm pissed with both of them for STILL not putting out an official word to people that are asking about it. They keep touting Band 12 as amazing but then slap down having unlocked phones use it because they don't have their network set up correctly.

So yeah, saw that Amazon deal and just went for it. Hopefully, you can hold out longer than me.
[X Style (Pure) General] YankInDaSouth:
Some clarity on VoLTE:

Matt (Forums Manager) said:

B12 support for T-Mobile has not yet been enabled. We expect to support B12 and Volte in an upcoming SW update.​

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/cab8687a11?page=2
[X Style (Pure) General] Hatzy:
Alas, just not a good enough answer for me. To many "what if's?" unfortunately. If the day comes that the Pure Edition gets it via a software update, maybe I'll revisit the idea. Of course, most of this could have just been avoided if we got some straight answers instead of the egregious lack of info.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
Wonder if he would commit to a future wifi calling also?
[X Style (Pure) General] YankInDaSouth:
Pretty sure T-Mobile calls the shots on that ... And it appears Moto wants this device to be independent of carrier needs/requirements. So, I'd highly doubt it'll get official T-Mo wifi calling support.

G4'ed it!
[X Style (Pure) General] Ganondroid:
I don't understand what the problem is. On Moto's website it lists B12 under the Bands section in the spec sheet. Was this different before, or is there something I'm missing here?
[X Style (Pure) General] jphantom:
yeah they changed it
[X Style (Pure) General] HammDroid:
So, it's still band 12 "capable", just that it will be disabled until/unless they add VoLTE to that band. Currently it would only support LTE, which T-Mo will not allow, due to e911 concerns. It's all or nothing.

Hopefully more manufacturers will be adding this as the norm rather than the exception. Also hopefully it will be the case amongst unlocked devices as well as variety branded.

Found this site which is moderately interesting in identifying phones that work on specific networks out all networks:

http://www.spectrumgateway.com/compatible-phones
[X Style (Pure) General] HammDroid:
Just a bit more info to reiterate what's already been discussed here:

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...ur-network-must-support-volte-e911/2015-08-28

That said, here is additional confirmation that out of the box VoLTE & band 12 are not supported, but that they are "planning" to add it in a future software update (just a thought, but Motorola still won't answer my question to them on Twitter or Google Plus, so might be wise to continue holding out if you're able)...

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/cab8687a11?commentId=977403#977403
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clninja:
New moto X looks pretty awesome... I don't see any reason not to switch... Anyone else thinking of doing the same?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vadergr:
Smaller screen ,not amoled , and basically the same hardware.Nexus 6 should be faster with updates.

I can't find a reason to switch to moto x style.

If i do it ,i will pick a device with better specs (4gb ram,sd810).

First smartphone that i can think of is oneplus two.

The new nexus device(s) are not that far away either.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pifsworld:
I'm going for the moto style that's what it's called in UK looks great and loving the build of my N6 so the new moto x style should be awesome and the price is good..
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Stig 04:
You wouldn't pick up a Moto X because no 4gb of ram or 810 (which what good is an 810 if it had to be throttled to not overheat) or no amoled screen yet would pick up a oneplus two thats lacking.....

QHD screen

sd card support

NFC

Quick Charging

Front facing speakers

smaller mp camera

smaller screen than Moto X

Can only be activated on att& and tmobile

Need an invite to purchase

I'm sorry....what???:confused:
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knite75:
That's 20MP is tempting me to switch.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biggiestuff:
Grabbed the Nexus 6 originally in hopes that moto suite could be ported over. That has turned out to be pretty much a fail, so getting the moto x pure is probably the next best thing. Can't wait to get it! At this point if moto apps haven't been ported over to the nexus 6 I have a feeling it never will.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vadergr:
I can understand your thoughts and questions.

1)Nothing beats the deep blacks of amoled display.I get it that nexus's 6 display is not calibrated but i don't care that much.My projector needs to be calibrated, the screen of my phone doesn't have to (my opinion).I choose infinite contrast than accurate colors.Basically i prefer to have both , but samsung devices lost me as a customer since the implementation of knox counter.

2)sd810 is way better than 808 even if it throttles.My previous flex 2 did throttle but only in benchmarks.Had no impact on real life usage or gaming.The andreno of the 810 is a beast compared to the one of 808.You need that power when you have to deal with qhd screens.Also oneplus promised a better tuned sd810 for oneplus two model.

3)The oneplus 2 doesn't have quick charging but it charges relatively quick (early reports) and i personally never used nfc.Oneplus two will probably have better battery life performance than motorola style.

4)Will miss the dual speakers,and would like an sd card, i admit it :o

5)Camera performance was never that great on a Motorola device and more mpixels will not make guaranteed difference.I trust more the one on oneplus two (had oneplus one before)

6)I am from Europe , usually we don't depend that much on carriers .

7)Invite system sucks , but if you need one, you will get it easily.

8)The oneplus (and nexus 6) have great support on xda with unlocked bootloader and no warranty loss.

I am not saying that style is a bad device, not at all.I am just not receiving the "flagship" feeling of the other devices (no amoled , no 4gb ram , no sd810).For my needs, the nexus 6 is still the better one.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.vibrant:
I have been using quick charger to charger my N6 since I got this phone in 12/2014. I had no problem until recently my phone will power off itself when its battery gets to 15%. Before, 15%of better life will lasts me another 15-30 mins. I charges 2-3 times a day using quick charger and I think it's killing the battery!!! Anyone had similar issue?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
and what evidence do you have thst the quick charger is "killing the battery"? i mean wheres your proof? i think doesnt prove anything. your battery stats just need to ne recalibrated.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.vibrant:
How do I recalibrate?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graydiggy:
Dude... Your battery is almost 1 year old... It's normal for the battery to start going weird with normal use between a year and 18 months however, you charging the phone 2 to 3 times a day isn't great and is likely a cause for your issue... I charge mine once a day.

There is a thread somewhere here in The N6 forum to possibly fix your issue.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
i charge mine several times a day, sometimes all day. with all my nexus devices. never had any issues.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.vibrant:
View attachment 3442396

Will that be a proof? Phone died at 30% discharge.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
lol, no. thats a battery stat, and ive seen them much wierder than yours. that has no evidence that charging using the default supplied charger is destroying your battery. but.. it might show that you have an issue, just not the issue that you think it is.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.vibrant:
I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I know you said about battery calibration; but why my phone dies at 30%? I think I might need a replacement!
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StykerB:
Its a nexus 6 thing, the internal power supply hardware for this phone is cheap and "just enough" to power the phone. When the voltage on the battery drops from being drained the cpu shuts down as a fail safe, the 5.1 update "fixed" the issue by underclocking the cpu and gpu at 40% battery (iirc) and unplugging cores at <20%. Many custom kernels remove this for performance boosting but then some phones run into the power supply issues usually in the lower binned chips (ones with higher voltage tables). Age likely doesn't help anything and a quick charge probably doesn't either. There's a big post about it on the zen kernel thread.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cinco312:
It's more of a Nexus thing. My N7 2013 does this all the time. Happened only a few months after release. Download an app called Battery Calibrator. Can't remember if I got it from here or from the PlayStore. It requires root access.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestK00442:
So.....are you on a custom rom or stock? If custom rom there's your problem right there, check for an update. If on stock also make sure your on the latest build. If all else fails do a factory reset. If problems persists just put in a warranty claim with Motorola.