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[Security Discussion] newsyrom:
no secret menu

no you do not need to find something like that as i understand. only install s mike app and sure you have to configure each app you want to use in s mike app and that is it

as i know the last version from the app is "PERMISSIONS 1.1 S_Mike"

any ferther info you can ask here
[Security Discussion] dudleto:
Yes sir, downgrading from RC7 to RC6.1 works great on my Honda CRV 2017.

But be careful, after the boot you have to wait for approx 5 min. to start downloading.....

Great work, I've been waiting for this simple method long time. :victory:

:good::good::good::good:
[Security Discussion] laparteatomica:
Hi [MENTION=2104348]dudleto[/MENTION],

thanks for your reply.

I´m glad to hear that it works for you.

Could I ask you to be more specific with this warning: "But be careful, after the boot you have to wait for approx 5 min. to start downloading....."

Thanks in advanced!
[Security Discussion] dudleto:
I mean, after pressing Day/Night + Power, screen stuck on "H" and nothing happens for a long time........then the download process starts.....don´t panic and don´t remove USB stick. Nothing else.

:)
[Security Discussion] blueberto:
I have tried this procedure in a hrv honda and it does not work. Install, but then it stays as it was. Any ideas?
[Security Discussion] laparteatomica:
Hi [MENTION=417342]blueberto[/MENTION],

please, let me know if you solve this issue.

I owe an HRV also and I was going to run the process..

Thanks!
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
I just got my HRV yesterday, it came with RC7, downgraded to 6.1 without any issues (so far).

Just put the zip file in the root of the USB stick, plug it in and reboot. Don't unzip the file like I did the first time (waisted a good 30 min until I realized this ;) ).

Now, since the downgrade process did not erase any of the data+settings from RC7, I would assume it would be better to also do a factory reset after the downgrade. Honda app center does not seem to work now, showing that there are no updates (probably because it's the RC7 version) and there are some hands-free quality issues, metalic voice etc. that users reported in the past (I did not have the chance to test hands-free with RC7).

I'm going to check if I can remove updates of Honda app center and see if it behaves normally after that, if not I will try a factory reset and see how that goes. Idealy I should be able to update to the latest version (RC9 I belive) and keep the apps and permissions installed in RC6.1.

Perhaps a better/easy way to upgrade would be if someone can provide the RC9 zip file.

UPDATE: Uninstaling updates for Honda App Center did not work, there is no such option. Tried clearing storage and cache, no change.
[Security Discussion] Dontblink777:
Sorry for waking a dead thread but has anyone been able to reboot their radio after accidentally changing the boot mode or is the dealership the only option?

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Sorry for waking a dead thread but has anyone been able to reboot their radio after accidentally changing the boot mode or is the dealership the only option?
[Security Discussion] cbaciu:
Hi guys, I am running on RC8 and installed the mike's permission. If I want to update to RC9, what steps I need to do in order to keep the mike's permissions? I am sure I read somewhere on this thread these steps, but I can't seem to find them! Thanks a lot!
[Security Discussion] laparteatomica:
Hi [MENTION=1673518]kind3r[/MENTION],

thanks for share your experience with us.

I didn´t know that there were some hands free quality issues in the RC6.1 version. That info makes me wonder if running the downgrade process (from RC7) would be the best option for me.

Please, if you find any workaround to fix that, let me know.

Thanks again!
[Security Discussion] rumcajs44:
If the button for installing apps is still greyed after the downgrade to RC6.1 you need to do factory reset (in Android Settings), of course you will lost all your personalized settings.

After that it should be possible to install apps.
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
False alarm about the hands free, probably just an issue with signal and/or combination of the person on the other end (was talking to my mom who tends to always talk while you are "yes, yes, aham, ooo yes", noise reduction can only do so much :D ).

So, I did a factory reset, reinstalled everything from usb stick (starting with ES File exporer and then moving each app to usb root - cause Honda installer cannot install from subfolders ...). All works fine now, including Honda App Center. Of course after installing the Honda updates I had to redo the permissions. Which brings me to the next suggestion.

[MENTION=6358174]S_Mike[/MENTION], could it be possible (I know it is, just can't estimate the development effort) to keep a separate (duplicate) list of manually added apps and their permissions that we can restore each time there is a Honda update that replaces the full list (whithout overriding the list using the backup feature) ? I know that I can change the file version so that App Center does not overwrite the file, but perhaps those changes are benefic to the native apps in future updates.

Also I will try to talk to my dealer maybe I can get a copy of the latest update DVD from Honda, but I can't promise anything.
[Security Discussion] Manfred.62:
I don't think it make sense to downgrade the Connect system. Better use the iRoot method. There's a reason for every new RC version. This Connect system is a real crap and Honda isn't really able to fix all the bugs or even improve it.
[Security Discussion] peterat8:
Agree.

According to Honda EU Customer Services there are no plans to upgrade the 4.0.4 system used in 'older model years'. So no chance of even getting Android Auto or Apple CarPlay in the immediate future unless they have a change of heart.
[Security Discussion] danny58:
To avoid loosing Fix and improvements, could be easier to downgrade to RC6.1, install all the apps you need, then update to RC8?
[Security Discussion] peterat8:
You'll lose the apps on the factory reset.
[Security Discussion] danny58:
You're right, I forgot to say without a factory reset. When I upadate from RC5 to RC6.1, I did'nt do the factory reset and never had any problems.
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
iRoot requires access to hardware ports which in turn requires partial disasembly of the dashboard and HU, which to be honest I'm not prepared to do in a brand new car. Might be fine for others tho. Also, I'm not that confortable with rooting, taking into account my past experiences.

Downgrading from RC7 to RC6 was really easy, you should factory reset after just to be in the clear with Honda App Center, everything works fine now. I do agree that updates are benefic (I have some GPS issues like the ones mentioned in th RC releases), this is why I want to do them, but also I try to keep the software installed via the pre RC7 loophole.

So based on the fact that the downgrade did not remove any of the user data (android settings, downloaded apks etc.) I'm confident that upgrading now to RC8 without performing a factory reset in the end (as stated in the Honda upgrade instructions) will work just as well. It could be that some apps will require clearing data/cache to work as intended, but I doubt it would be something critical. After finishing reading the whole thread (which took me quite a few days, and to be honest, at least a topic name could be changed, so that US people with 4.2.2 stoped asking the same question over and over) I downloaded RC8 and I will try to upgrade over the weekend and post my feedback.

IMHO the best way to go is downgrading to RC6 (if needed), install Honda Permissions, upgrade to RC8+, use Honda Permissions to change HondaAppCenter_A1.apk SHA to PREINSTALL and go ahead installing everything else. Just my 2 cents ;)
[Security Discussion] laparteatomica:
Hi [MENTION=1673518]kind3r[/MENTION],

I´m about to start the downgrade process. I´ve just a question about this: "IMHO the best way to go is downgrading to RC6 (if needed), install Honda Permissions, upgrade to RC8+, use Honda Permissions to change HondaAppCenter_A1.apk SHA to PREINSTALL and go ahead installing everything else"

Once you have installed Honda Permissions (in RC6.1), is it possible to install other apps in RC7 and RC8?

I thought that the only way to keep installing apps is having the RC6.1 version. Once you upgrade it, apps already installed keeps there, but you wont be able to install new ones.

Thanks in advanced!
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
My understanding is that post RC6.1 updates prevent installing apps due to the fact that the default permissions file does not have HondaAppCenter_A1.apk SHA set to PREINSTALL, thus closing the backdoor used to install apps. But if Honda Permissions is installed, you can change it back to PREINSTALL and then you could install apps just as before.

In RC6.1 and before, the default permissions file had the SHA set to PREINSTALL and only updates via Honda App Center closed the backdoor by overwriting the permissions file. This is why you have to do a factory reset if you had the Honda updates installed, to revert back to the default premissions file.
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
Happy to report that the upgrade from RC6 to RC8 was a breeze, everything forking fine and also seems a tad bit faster, altho it could just be my impression.

Wierdly enough, the permission file did not get overwriten during the update process so I was not required to setup everything again in Honda Permissions.

Waiting for a way to get RC9 now :)
[Security Discussion] rumcajs44:
Do you have the possibility to install new apps after this update to RC8?
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
Obviously yes, that's the whole point :)
[Security Discussion] calyxim:
When I download an app from cmdroid and select install it looks like it's installing and says "not installed".

My car is a 2015 civic 1.8 se plus.

My software versions are as attached.

Could you please shed light on this?

Thank you.
[Security Discussion] laparteatomica:
Hi [MENTION=1673518]kind3r[/MENTION] and everyone,

I did the downgrade process and it worked as it should. Thanks everyone for sharing your experience.

Now I have one problem with the bluetooth phone calls. Once I make a phone call it rings once and it automatically ends. I tried a couple of times (to many phone numbers, of course, and it always happens the same).

Do I need to try a factory reset? What other process do you think I can try in order to fix this.?

Thanks!
[Security Discussion] Manfred.62:
Factory reset

enable installation from unknown source

After all permissions configured and working, make a backup. That's already possible in the app. I've placed the backup files on the usb-drive, where my mp3 files are.
[Security Discussion] laparteatomica:
I made a factory reset and now bluetooth phone calls work. But the sound is awful, sometimes it sounds metallic, sometimes it stops and start again, etc. I think

I would have to install all the apps I want and then make the upgrade to RC7 again (or RC8).

Which version do you suggest? RC7 or RC8? Anyone of you have the download link and instructions?
[Security Discussion] rumcajs44:
I'm happy to confirm that this works fine :)

So what I did:

- I made downgrade from RC7 to RC6.1 and installed S_Mike's Honda Permission and the apps I wanted (instructions)

- then I made upgrade to RC8 without factory reset at the end,

- after connection HC to the Internet, updates of Honda App Center and Aha Radio popped up, so I installed them,

- all my previous entries in Honda Permission -> Process Controls regarding installed apps, where gone after the upgrade to RC8 (update of Honda App Center also deletes it) so I had to enter them again. Luckily I made an .xml backup in Honda Permission on RC6.1 before upgrade, but I wasn't sure whether I can restore it in RC8, because there were additional entries after the upgrade, so I made another .xml backup after the update of Honda App Center and then on my PC I copied these lost lines from the older .xml file to the newer .xml file and then in Honda Permission I made Restore from edited .xml file. The only difficulty was to understand the structure of the .xml file and find correct part to copy and correct place to paste it. Nevertheless it was faster than entering all the settings for all my apps by hand using keyboard on the touch screen of HC,

- in Honda Permission -> Allowed Installation I long-pressed HondaAppCenter_A1.apk, pressed Edit (pencil icon) and changed string in "Sig digest sha256" to PREINSTALL (whithout this, it is not possible to install new apps).

and I have now RC8 with possibility to install apps :)

kind3r - thanks! :)
[Security Discussion] rumcajs44:
The only thing which is not changed after the update is the version of Garmin Navigator app (in the RC8 update instructions at the end it is said to check it and it should be version 3.45 but I have still 3.38).

I see the question was asked already here, no answer, so again:
[Security Discussion] Raklik:
is there any rooting method which is using the FakeID exploit? It seems that is the only vulnerability available on my device.
[Security Discussion] tomzero:
Check this thread:

http://www.civicx.com/threads/navi-on-non-navi-model-is-it-possible.3107/page-2#post-51001

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Reboot: long press (5 sec) power/audio button.

Safe mode: while rebooting hold down another button (vol up/down, menu)

Factory reset: standard android way: settings - backup & reset
[Security Discussion] grey_listed:
Did anyone tried to root the device? So probably rename framaroot.apk to hondaappcenter and run it?
[Security Discussion] tomzero:
I tried, framaroot and root master doesn't work for me.
[Security Discussion] Raklik:
well.. that is the reason I was asking for that exploit. I checked and only FakeID was available exploit, rest of them are patched.

you can try to run bluebox app to scan vulnerabilities
[Security Discussion] pasen01:
[MENTION=6358174]S_Mike[/MENTION], where did you get the ApplistUpdate.apk file from?
[Security Discussion] S_Mike:
See this post http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=65483294&postcount=80 inside was AppListUpdate.apk
[Security Discussion] Pajaa76:
I'm using NAVIGON with offline maps, WAZE with online maps - both working well on 4.0.4. Did someone find well working print screen apps which can be used with Honda connect buttons?
[Security Discussion] S_Mike:
Did you recompile these apps and change root package? Working when driving?
[Security Discussion] Pajaa76:
No I just used easy way described here on forum:

Apps preparation:

I'm using Google play to find apps - focusing on supported Android version, because my Honda is using 4.0.4 so apps for 4.1 and higher can't be install.

Then I copy path from Google play to this site apkpure.com to get *.apk file. Again inside file name is written for which Android version is app compatible.

When app is downloaded then I will rename it to HondaAppCenter_A1.apk and copy to USB.

Installation:

First be sure that in Honda connect setting is allowed installation from other sources

Then plug in USB

Go to Install apps - system will find HondaAppCenter_A1.apk and installation is possible

Before driving:

Start engine

Personally I switching off Start/Stop

Confirm stupid info on Honda Connect

Push and Hold buttons Power+Menu+lighting for cca 3-5sec to get service menu

Choose second option Detail information...

Hold Menu about 5sec - you will see flash screen to get bigger menu

Find VSP Error and click OFF

Go back to Main menu

Start application you want - because VSP Error is OFF you can drive without closing app.

Pluses:

Finally my Honda have full NAVI

I can play movie to my childs when I'm driving

Weaknesses:

Application will be closed when you start reversing and rear camera is active

No radio - I didn't try to install some internet radio or MP3 player yet

With every engine start you need to set VSP Error to OFF. It is about 10s job.
[Security Discussion] pasen01:
You wont be able to use a Internet radio while using these others apps anyway.
[Security Discussion] xenon04:
poweramp and sygic applications can work together :good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYPLkFoCHoQ
[Security Discussion] pasen01:
What did you do with sygic? Looks like it is in complete fullscreen, wich any other app i tried is not..
[Security Discussion] sheridan2000:
could not instal sygic...kept wanting to dowload google play services and not finding it....
[Security Discussion] tomzero:
http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=431&t=1547653

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Are you working on this? Maybe this is the next step...
[Security Discussion] S_Mike:
I would like to but now I don't have too much leisure time:(

Maybe I will in a few days.
[Security Discussion] LayzJay:
Are the apk's installed through the Honda Connect App - Install from USB?
[Security Discussion] kondormit:
Yes
[Security Discussion] LayzJay:
Thats not working for me... doesnt even see the app on the USB stick..
[Security Discussion] kondormit:
Try other usb sticks...
[Security Discussion] maecar:
Which car do you have? HR-V? Because I've been talking with some HR-V owners that have HU in RC7 version and they're receiving the following error message when they plug the USB stick with the file for downgrade:

In english: "USB Problem. Try again."

They already tried the process with different USB sticks, all formatted in FAT32. We've also checked MD5 to make sure the firmware file wasn't corrupted, but everything was correct.
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
I think this only updates after a factory reset (as others have stated previously). But doing a factory reset will remove all installed apps including Honda Permissions so you would have no way to install the apps again. I don't use Garmin as there is no traffic info in my country. I use Waze as it's very popular here.

I have an HR-V that came with RC7.

Please carefully read the Honda update instructions (the PDF that comes with the update files). You will need 3 files wich you will have to copy on the root of your USB stick in turns and in order (copy one file in the root of the USB, plug in and update then remove it). To find the apropriate files there are 2 .xls files that contain the matrix. For the downgrade I only did this with the 3rd file which is the main android software.

I belive the 1st file is some firmware (a .bin file). This file has a version check and will throw the error you see if you try to downgrade, as stated in the Honda update instructions.

The 2nd file (a .zip file) contains some sort of parameters, I did not need that either during the downgrade. Maybe someone with more experience can enlighten us.

The 3rd file (a .zip file) contains the main Android system files including the permission file. This is what you will need for the downgrade.

For upgrading to RC8 you will only need the 2nd and 3rd file, as the firmware is the same between RC7 and RC8.

What puzzles me a bit is I don't see the ID code of your HU. It should have been in the top right next to the brightness button. Probably you should select the files for the NA ID code.

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I did the same, but restoring the backup will overwrite the possible changes made by Honda App Center messing with the default apps (tho probably the risk of that happening is minimum due to the frequency of the updates ... that is almost never :D ).

[MENTION=9421803]rumcajs44[/MENTION] aproach with the XML is a bit more on par with what I would like to do.

I did notice some issues with GPS. Sometimes starting the car and Waze in the morning results in no GPS signal, not even the location icon apears. Runing Garming does not help either. It appears that after a long standby, location services crash and don't recover. Only thing that helps is rebooting the HU. After that I have to wait 5-10 min for the GPS to acquire location, the location icon keeps flashing showing that it's working on geting satelite locks (I guess this is somewhat normal for a non A-GPS enabled device). The car is parked outside for the night so that's not an issue. Is anyone else experiencing this ? I will try to install GPS status app maybe I can get more information when this is happening and maybe find a way to restart the location services without rebooting the HU as it takes too long.
[Security Discussion] maecar:
Yes, the big problem we have in Brazil is that the HU do not have the ID code in his front face as you can see in the picture. Do you know what can I do to identify the HU? I saw the column "HONDA #" at the excel matrix, but I don't know where can I find this number in my HU.

Another question: are you sure that you need the 2nd and the 3rd file for upgrade? Some friends have upgraded their HU just with the 3rd file and it worked very well. They installed RC6 from RC3!!

And final question: after you downgrade to RC6 and install Honda Permissions, you upgrade again to RC8 using the 2nd and the 3rd files without factory reset?

Thank you!!
[Security Discussion] djclark25:
So just to confirm, I downgraded last week back to 6.1 and installed apps. So I could now upgrade to RC8, NOT DO A FACTORY RESET, change the permissions to preinstall on the HondaAppCenter app and job done.

I can then install any more apps I want as long as I dont do a factory reset?

Thanks
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
I think the ID is NA, which usually comes from Not Available. So files in that line should be good. You can also compare the columns with current versions (Target Software version) just to double check.

Not sure about 2nd file (I did not use it while downgrading from RC7 to RC6 but I did use it when upgrading to RC8), should be good for something I guess otherwise it wouldn't be there :D It could perhaps contain some defaults for when performing a factory reset, but since we don't do that it could make no difference. So yes, file 2 and 3 without the factory reset.

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Yes, this is what I did. ("PREINSTALL" - all caps)
[Security Discussion] kind3r:
Ok, so I definitelly have an issue with GPS, and it seems to me like it's software related rather than hardware (like antena etc.).

I installed GPS Status and it shows intermitent lock altho the Android GPS icon is not flashing as you can see in the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7279PIG24

Waze also shows movement (1-2Km/h) probably due to the intermittent lock even tho I was stationary.

I'm sooo tempted to do a factory reset on RC8, but then without GPS Status and Waze I will not be able to see the difference :silly:.
[Security Discussion] rumcajs44:
There is some error with the youtube video - "try again later"...

Nevertheless, tomorrow I will have the possibility to test more, how my HC is working after the upgrade, so I will also observe how the GPS is working and let you know, as I did more less the same procedure like you.

Yes, like kind3r explained, you need the correct file. The file I shared is only for some models of HC, I have a Civic Tourer and my HC ID code 6VCB, if you have HR-V with no ID code, it won't match. I don't have RC 6 update matrix here but the file you need will be named probably like this: ADA_usbdl_V0E094000021_sec_14ada.zip
[Security Discussion] anariccetti:
Mirroring

Hello!

I made this to my Honda HR-V 2018 and it worked perfectly! Now I can install any app! Thank you so much! ;)

I have one question: there is any way to mirror my mobile screen to the car now? With an app or something? Can I install Android Auto now?

For instance, when I open Waze app that I've installed in the car, the only way to have an internet access to check the traffic is by sharing my 4G internet with the car? Is there any other way to run an app (probably by mirroring)

Thanks!