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[X Style (Pure) General] Restola:
I feel like there is a bit of nexussheep fanboy-ism going on. In so many ways the 6P is identical to the moto x except the addition of a finger print sensor. Any place the 6P pulls slightly ahead (low light stills) is washed out by something similar on the moto x (digital video stabilization). Most of the reviews highlight thefeatures of marshmallow (which the X will have very soon) as if the 6P is the only phone that will have granular app permissions and whatever else 6 brings.

I wouldn't blame anyone for going with either of these two choices over the other. But rapidly positive 6P reviews next to luke warm X reviews aren't really justified.
[X Style (Pure) General] tranemonk33:
I have both phones now... I am leaning heavily toward going back to the Moto X. I find it more comfortable with one handed use. The speakers are better. I like the how the Moto X functions in the outdoor daylight. The worst part of the Moto X by far is the battery. I think I can live with fast charging (which is awesome). I will miss the fingerprint scanner on the Nexus.... Still torn.
[X Style (Pure) General] Sporttster:
Have been wondering if I jumped the gun a bit too soon when I purchased the MXPE and should have waited till the next Nexus came out, but reading these reviews it sounds like the Moto is pretty much the equal of the Nexus; better in some things, worse in others but neither is off by much. So I'm gonna keep the MXPE. With the unlocked BL, root, sd and great camera, I'm happy.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Whatever you do don't see the 6P in person. You will never be satisfied with the MXPE again. Just a heads up, it's beautiful... I just have to give it credit, and it performs SO much faster than the X. I picked up my moto X last night and was blown away how slow it is compared... stutters a lot too. Sure it's not on marshmallow but dang... HUGE difference.

The videos/photo do NOT do it justice, you just have to see it. And in person the visor is beautiful, glad they did it. Before I thought it looked stupid
[X Style (Pure) General] whodatfan:
Moto X on Android M with a custom ROM won't be beat. I guarantee it. I'm running AICP and it alleviated battery drain and processor stuttering without the M update. Marshmallow will only make this beast better. The 6p is nice and far from a slouch, but the MXPE is just a better phone IMO.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
But wouldn't the 6P running a custom rom with similar tweaks be just as fast if not faster. As there is a noticeable difference even with encryption?
[X Style (Pure) General] gtg465x:
My thoughts so far:

Moto X Pure Pros

Smaller bezels and an easier to grip rubber back

Better speakers, but the Nexus 6P has pretty good speakers too

Camera captures much more detail in good lighting

Screen has better whites and much better sunlight visibility

MicroSD card slot

$50 cheaper for the same storage option

Nexus 6P Pros

More premium look and feel

Faster and smoother performance. The Moto X Pure has a lot more minor microstutters / frame dropping

Camera is better indoors and in low light and also has a faster burst mode and 240fps slow motion video

Screen has better blacks and better viewing angles (the Moto X Pure loses a lot of brightness when viewed off axis)

Fingerprint reader

Slightly better battery life (I'm getting 5.5 to 6 hours of screen on time with my 6P and only got 4.5 to 5 with my Moto X Pure, though Marshmallow may put them on an even playing field)

Slightly better cell reception, but this might vary with different carriers or bands. I'm on AT&T.

Faster updates. Duh. It's a Nexus.

More development (ROMs, kernels, etc.). Duh. It's a Nexus.

In the end, both are great devices, but I decided to keep the Nexus 6P, mostly because of the performance difference. Animations and scrolling on the 6P are just super smooth and buttery in a way that the Moto X Pure just can't match, likely because it has a vastly inferior GPU. Maybe Marshmallow will help the Pure in that regard, but maybe not. Who knows.
[X Style (Pure) General] whodatfan:
For sure. I think the MXPE is better personally for myself because of other reasons like smaller footprint, better screen, camera, speakers, SD card, etc.

The 6P has the better CPU/GPU. Both are great devices for sure.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah, I want to keep both ;)

They both have a lot to offer. Dang it.

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I'm with you, I think I will keep the 6P for the same reasons. Moto X is my second choice if something goes wrong. I've always wanted to try nexus and so far it has not let me down :)
[X Style (Pure) General] undertaker2k14:
I am leaning towards the 6p as well now, 2 years from now, it will have Android 8.0 guaranteed, the Moto X Pure will be sitting on Android 7 at best just like the 2013 MX is sitting at 5.1.1 as the final build. I think the larger size of the nexus is somewhat offset by the 15% larger battery and corresponding battery life improvements. The true value of Nexus devices is their longevity, the N5 2013 is still a great phone with MM, the corresponding G2 from LG is stuck on a buggy 5.0.2 build despite essentially being the same phone with a better camera/battery. I for one believe that Google should not allow forked versions of Android to be sold as 'Android' phones at all: TouchWiz, LG UX etc. are essentially crap and will always be so: http://www.techspot.com/news/62662-google-researchers-suggest-android-oems-add-vulnerable-code.html
[X Style (Pure) General] tranemonk33:
Good summary... I have both and am leaning toward the Moto X Pure as I find it more pleasant in the hand and I like the louder speakers.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
The back IMO makes the 6P seem hokey. Not seeing how the 6P is SO much faster, since benchmarks, reviews nor using other 810 chipped devices suggest much improvement at all.

The MXPE (as per reviews) is already fast, so for the 6P to be SO much faster, it would have to breach the time continuum ;)

Still, the device that make you happy is what matters :) The better speakers, better headphone output (per Phonearena lab test) and my 200gb microsd card make me like the MXPE :)
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Have you seen and played with it in person? I thought the same until I used it. The back looks amazing in person, 10 times better than it looks in photos and videos.

There is a major difference in performance, sure benchmarks and review wont show all the details but it is night and day. It has less to do with the chips but I believe it is more how the manufacturers use them. Remember I am not bias in any way, I was satisfied in the moto x but wanted to give the 6P a test drive so I'm not a fan boy of either side. This is my opinion after using the X for a couple of months and using the 6P for a half a week. Side by side you can clearly see a difference in performance.

I'm assuming you don't have a 6P but I could be wrong. If you have a CC take the 6P for a 14 day test drive and you will see exactly what I (and a whole lot of others) see (get the aluminum one!). It is buttery smooth whereas the moto stutters and takes longer to open things.

I have both in hand and can confirm this in real world results. Scrolling is SOO much smoother and al lthe apps I use work better on the 6P. Plain and simple.
[X Style (Pure) General] luigidk:
I don't have either the mxpe or the 6p so this thread has been invaluable... Thanks to all participants for all the info.

Since both phones seem so close for me the tiebreakers are the native android experience with all the development on the 6p as well as the option to use project FI . I love the development options available on my n5 2013 and would hate to give that up.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
You won't be sorry
[X Style (Pure) General] drivenby:
My Moto x has flawless performance, I can't imagine the n6p being substantially better
[X Style (Pure) General] sadboyzz:
Being using the MXPE for over a month, and the Nexus 6P for close to a week. Also currently in the household: Galaxy S6 Edge, Galaxy Note 5, iPhone 6s+.

For an adult male with relatively small hands, I have to say I'm leaning towards the MXPE for day-to-day use. The MXPE just feels much more "grippy" in the hands with the curved back, while the other flat-backed phones all feel like they could slip out of my hand any second. The MXPE is actually usable with a single hand, while I find it much harder on the N6P, probably because of the larger distance between the edge of the screen and the bottom of the phone (the N6P is extremely tall). The build quality of MXPE is top-notch, right on par with the iPhone, and tangibly better than the N6P. The MXPE touch screen has the best "feel", and is finger-print resistant (the iPhone is the worst in this regard, always having noticeable oily smudges on the screen).

On the down side, camera is definitely the weakest of the bunch, but still excellent. Battery life is mediocre, but bearable.

FWIW, the MXPE undoubtedly wins hands down in terms of overall value. But both the MXPE and the N6P are fantastic devices, and you can't go wrong with either.
[X Style (Pure) General] tranemonk33:
Good Summary. I agree on most points

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I have both and I disagree. The performance gap is not that big IMHO. Yes scrolling is better on the nexus and yes there is lagging on the MXP. However the back of the Nexus isn't all that... Its nice but not as much as is being bragged about. I've used the Moto X for a few months and have had the Nexus for several days. It's not the huge difference that I thought it would be... The two devices are a lot closer to me.

The one BIG difference is the fingerprint sensor.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
To each his own, I have noticed a difference with the apps I use on a daily basis. When I open them side by side there is a massive difference. Now neither of my devices are modded so maybe that closes the gap if your moto have been unlocked and stuff but I am testing out of the box and I see a big difference.

I'm sure not everyone will agree with the design and some will like one over another. But It is beautiful and I would recommend that everyone take a look at it before forming your opinion. So far everyone I know who has looked at it has really been blown away. Far more people love it then hate it. I do like how the moto x feels in the hand but dang... 6P is purdy
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I still don't get why anyone would claim the 6P has a more "premium look and feel". When the MXPE look and feel is literally whatever you choose to make it. Someone with a rubber back is never going to have the " premium" feel we who have leather and other premium backs enjoy. Then with looks, I know my gold trim and accent look good as can be.

To fairly compare, the full sum of Moto Maker has to be weighed against the few 6P options.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
It's mainly because it looks like jewelry. I can only speak about the 6P in aluminum but it looks like something that you would pay big bucks for. The Moto X is definitely a premium phone, no one is doubting that, but if you see the 6P in person you can easily say it is the more eloquent and premium feel. Now it does come with a price, one of the things I loved about my moto is I could sit it anywhere and since it had rubber I didn't care (I go naked on my phones). Now I'm overly babying the 6P so I don't mess up the beautiful. It is really hard to explain guys without you picking one up. I have never seen and experienced this level of design on a phone so I am still in the honeymoon stage. I have had and been around just about every device too and there is something special about the 6P. Get one and see :). The moto x is an awesome phone so don't feel like you got jipped. You will have a great phone for a while. The 6P is just better.
[X Style (Pure) General] thebobmannh:
You're pushing this way, WAY too hard.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Just giving my honest opinion, could be helpful or could be not helpful depending on your tastes. Sorry if it bothers anyone.

I'm willing to compare or test anything for you guys between the two to answer questions. I could easily keep either phone and be happy. But it appears everyone here has their minds made up :)
[X Style (Pure) General] shinytoy:
I am also torn between these two. looking at the youtube video named Nexus 6P VS Moto X Style (Pure) - Speed Test from Tech Trinkets (I am unable to post links)

It's pretty clear that the statement you made, "whereas the moto stutters and takes longer to open things." is inaccurate. Maybe there is the difference in scrolling, (which that video doesn't tackle), but opening things seem to be very close on both devices.

But what struck me more, is that the screen of the XPE seems a lot better than the 6P, 6P also has an unpleasant pink hue there.
[X Style (Pure) General] rehpyc:
One thing people need to remember and take into account for smoothness and battery life is that it's not an apples to apples comparison, since the Nexus has Android M. Unless Motorola mess something up, smoothness and speed should increase with Android M. Battery life will definitely increase, due to Android M's doze feature, which is equivalent to some Xposed modules one could run now to achieve amazing battery life (i.e. 5-6 hrs SOT over 1 1/2 days w/o charge).
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
All I can say is what I have tested in real world use. I don't think comparing side by side is accurate but when you use a device daily you get to know it. There is a difference. Now some people say that they do not have issues with lag or stuttering on the MXPE so maybe it is something special with my device.

I also agree, until we have marshmallow on both devices we won't know exactly. But I'm giving my opinion based off what I have noticed when I use these devices as my daily drivers. Sure in a staged environment you can get different results, sometimes accurate and sometimes not. All I know is when I used both devices there is a difference. I would not say that the moto x is a bad choice. Even with the few seconds longer it takes to open heavy apps and the stutters while scrolling wont matter if you have not used something faster or smoother. But now that I have I cannot ignore them. I have just as much credibility as this person in the youtube video as I also have both devices (completely unmodded and unbias). Also you have to take into consideration he could have been running the 6P with older software because it did get an immediate update when I opened the box.

I think at this point we are running in circles. You all know the pros and cons. No device is better, there is only what is better for you. For me the speed, fingerprint, updates and design are enough reasons to switch. But it was not easy, the moto x is better in a lot of ways. So decide which is better for you and enjoy it.

I have used a lot of phones (see my sig) and these two are the best I have owned but in this case the 6P is the best phone for me. I'm going to miss the x but I will get over it and if I regret it in the future It will be the device I return to.

I kind of hope marshmallow comes out before I sell it so I can see how it runs with marshmallow but I doubt it will.
[X Style (Pure) General] shinytoy:
I hear ya. When i read that that 6P is equipped with the latest generation amoled from Samsung,

I was dead set on getting that instead of the XPE, But those reports appear to be untrue. This screen is certainly not as good as the Note 5, and i suspect not even as good as the Note 4. So now I'm torn again.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Looks good to me, I like it with sRGB mode enabled but that's because I'm a LCD fan :)
[X Style (Pure) General] whodatfan:
The MXPE build quality to me is more premium and solid. The curves are amazing and no sharp edge transitioning from the screen to the frame which is a huge plus. The phone looks and feels solid with nice weight and premium parts. We already know about the footprint to screen ratio which is unmatched. Ability for customization/personalization is also a big plus. I preferred the rubberized back for grip/comfort and was not let down. I run this thing naked for 2 reasons. The shear beauty of the device, and you really just don't need one with the rubberized backplate. That all aluminum phone trend is terrible as the material cheapens the device and weakens it structurally. I hold my MXPE and it feels solid as a rock. Holding the 6P I'm not as confident, but it is still a very nice phone with severe structural flaws. I wish Google would have stayed with Motorola for the nexus, as I'm pretty sure that's what my MXPE actually is and would be as the moto nexus 7.

If you haven't seen this 6p review on the structural build quality, here is the link. Its pretty bad.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/563a5d89e4b0b24aee4888b0
[X Style (Pure) General] thebobmannh:
Thanks for the article, but the EXISTENCE of a fingerprint scanners certainly shouldn't be a turnoff -- iti's only a risk when used, not when it's available. Never give it your finger or allow that method of authorization, and its existence is moot.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
For me, it is a turnoff. Since I don't even want the option to ever consider it. I don't ask anyone else to agree, but for me the scanner adds no value. So the Moto X Style/Pure not having one is good savings to me. And so for me, it is a plus, in favor of the Moto.
[X Style (Pure) General] MrTwo94:
:rolleyes:

Have you never compared plans or are you just bad at the maths? Unless you are grandfathered in on an old plan, you basically pay $20/mo EXTRA for 24 months to have the privilege of paying $200 for a phone with a likely value of $400-$650, thus you are actually paying $680. New contracts are pretty much reserved for suckers.

The phones won't be identical, but with both of them offering stock android and a release date within a couple months of each other, they are natural competitors.

I'd like a Nexus phone, but I'm with you on the Pure. It is basically a Nexus phone (stock android) but with SD card support. Lack of SD card is pretty much a deal breaker for me, but should the Nexus 5 miraculously bring back the SD card and come in around the same size as the previous Nexus 5, I'd pay whatever they are asking. IMO, 5.4"x2.7" is as big as a phone should be.
[X Style (Pure) General] krazyq:
We pay $120 for 6 lines and get unlimited talk text and web EACH(2.5GB High speed then it gets throttled). Free talk and text to US and Canada and when I travel I can text and get data for free - T-Mobile

I will never go back to a contract just to get a discount on a phone.
[X Style (Pure) General] met152:
X Style vs G4 size comparison

You may be aware of this, but Phone Arena offers a size comparison. It's the best comparison tool that I've found. See attachment and link below.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885/size#/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885/size/Motorola-Moto-X-Style,LG-G4/phones/9553,9104
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Google Announces New Update Policy For Nexus Devices Including Monthly Security Patches For 3 Years And Major OTAs For 2 Years From Release

Of course we who will get the Moto X Style/Pure hope Moto will keep up. Given the Moto X Style will basically be stock Android.
[X Style (Pure) General] ambervals6:
Same exact height as 1+1!

Sent from my A0001
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
It's actually same height and width as opo but has a larger screen. Nice.
[X Style (Pure) General] ambervals6:
Yupp great ergonomics

Sent from my A0001
[X Style (Pure) General] daryllh:
Is that comparison link for last years moto x or the new one?
[X Style (Pure) General] met152:
New one. 2015 moto x style/pure
[X Style (Pure) General] daryllh:
I don't think so. I searched for moto x style in the list of phones and it brought up a new image that towered the iPhone 6
[X Style (Pure) General] daryllh:
The link brought up iPhone 6 and moto x for me. I had to choose the other phones.
[X Style (Pure) General] Geordie Affy:
Nice to know that even though the screen is bigger the phone is actually smaller than Iphone 6 Plus.

Sent from S3 via Tapatalk App.
[X Style (Pure) General] hello00:
yeah but it is thick as hell for no reason
[X Style (Pure) General] Geordie Affy:
You have to realsise thats at its thickest point. You have to bare in mind its curved but yeah cant say for sure how it feels as I havent held it lol.

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[X Style (Pure) General] devsk:
You would consider Nexus ahead of Moto X Pure only if you like to pay more for your storage needs.
[X Style (Pure) General] hello00:
true..i cant wait to ditch my note 4..im tired of samsux although if the note 5 comes with sd card support then it is gonna be a tough decision for me
[X Style (Pure) General] [bman123]:
Too bad that verizon is ditching contracts so you'll be paying $600+ for a flagship phone from them, pretty soon the others will be the same way and no one will have contracts. Thats what I can't wait for. The market for unlocked phones at a reasonable price with good specs should be amazing.
[X Style (Pure) General] 89titanium:
I'm surprised by how much they're lowering their monthly fee too. Impressive.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
I agree with you, a MXPE would have been an AWESOME nexus. If they put a fingerprint reader on it and had nexus updates it would be a no brainer.

I do not trust that guy in the video. First off the new video he posted you can tell he is REALLY trying hard to break it. If you look at his instagram the dude is built, he is very strong. If that guy wanted to break any phone he could and with people's reaction to the first video he was determined to prove them wrong so you can hear the grunting in his voice the second time. The first one had structural issues due to the cracked screen and burn. I have seen a lot of videos of others trying to bend their phones and it is not easily done and wont happen under normal circumstances.... period. Here is an instgram photo of the guy... yeah him... in the mask https://instagram.com/p/4jo8HePIas/?taken-by=zacksjerryrig

But I do agree the moto is a strong device and I did love having a rubber back.
[X Style (Pure) General] whodatfan:
Yeah I agree people won't exactly be randomly bending their phones in half. I really posted the link because it was interesting seeing the build quality of the device and how it was put together. He did make some valid points on the structural integrity of the device despite the excessive destruction of it. However, I viewed the bend test as a way to show some flawed structural views more than just a "hey watch me bend this phone in half" video.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
The bend thing IMO is silly. Who bends their phone like that?

I'll take the microsd slot anyday over a metal build. My 200gb card works great. Reviews so far state the speakers, headphone output and call quality are better on the MXPE. That to me has more value than updates in two years. I will likely be with another device by then anyway- just like most people here.

Main weight for me is the microsd, regardless of any subjectivity elsewhere with comparisons.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
You just needed better options on your MXPE. Which you can't realize unless you had one with better. That rubber totally taints the impression of the difference.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I would like the guy who bent it, to try that with many phones. He could become the next YouTube sensation, by bend testing phones. I want rankings for bend-ability per device. And he could even start doing tablets too :D. Although I am sort of kidding, I really hope he does.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
It's not about the back housing. It is the overall design, the way the metal looks on the sides, the flatness of the the screen and how the metal bezels look. It's the whole package. Aluminum is the best choice imo.