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[Galaxy Note 4 General] TempleBishop:
Looking over at my family's Notes (all heavy power user daily drivers), the 3, 4, and 10.1 2014; that 19% available is not only on par, but actually a few % better than the Note lines average. I'm going to keep the jury out until I see how it handles daily beatings for at least a week. Be really surprised if Sammy didn't have more than a few gems hidden under the hood. ( Metallic, pleather, Kevlar; or whatever that hood comes made of.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] vkumarytb:
Samsung dsnt learn at all
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
They're not listening. They were desperate, got a good young team in to re-design.... And then left them out again.

It's maddening. All they had to do IF they were insistent on the design language, was use a REMOVABLE glass/plastic hybrid back (huawei P7 is glorious) and leave the sdCard alone.

The Note 6/Galaxy 6+ isn't going to work. Mark my words.

As for design, if they've let the S6 team get taken over by 'managers' they're in for a shock.

EVERYBODY is changing next year. Starting with Sony. Huawei. Hell even HTC will hit design out again. Xiaomi. Motorola. Nexus. And then, just in time, Apple. Everybody's changing.

Samsung needs to listen. Focus on who you're selling to. When you get it right, keep listening, don't pat YOURSELVES on the back and claim you did it, you know better than your users!

I'm telling you...piss off your Noter's and you've lost the last set of Samsung die-hards you have - and still have - in your corner. Your s6/s6 edge rode on your design team. I hope you made them managers? No? You disbanded the team? Gave them a policy document to follow for the Note5? It shows.

The Note 5, if it comes as the rumors suggest, will. Bury. You. If. You. Don't. Have. A new. Plan. For. Your s7.

Honestly.

Rant over.

P.s. do a flagship flip-phone. You heard it here first.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Yathani:
Samsung probably has a good research team and know what "MOST" customer want. XDA community ins't in the calculation.

4100mh non removable is good still good for me.

They went with usb 2.0 and ignored Type -C probably because it doesn't support fast charging for now. Look at MKBHD video regarding the 1+2 , he mentioned that it takes for ever to charge around 3 hours. Its just not the time for Type C yet.

IR blasted, I give zero **** about it. I almost never use it and If i do most of the time my remote is closer to me than opening the app trying to show off.

The only thing I want from note 5 is to fix their stupid launcher and to push faster updates. I don't want to wait until Feb 2016 for Android M.

Edit: I also don't care about Micro SD because I know its going to die sooner or later. Give me 128GB right away and i'm sold.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
A 128gb Note 5 will fail due to cost. Not the same general customer base (Note owner verses iPhone Plus) and a lot of Note users are accustomed to cards and have zero desire to pay $200 more for a 128GB Note 5- for LESS storage. Note 4 with 128GB card has 32GB more storage than a Note 5 with 128GB, plus removable battery and around $200 less.

The model failed terribly with the S6 and Edge and would likely be even worse for the Note 5 since the Note is more of a utility and productivity device. Factor in the 64GB Moto X with SD slot and $450 less, plus the iPhone 6 Plus- Samsung would be foolish to abandon the sd slot. Most current owners that value the storage options will go elsewhere and iPhone users will continue to by iPhones.

Easily Samsung would take a 15% hit on sales which is millions of devices and over a billion in revenue. My guess though is there is an SD slot on the Note 5. JMO.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] senectus:
128gb units in Australia are like hens teeth. They just don't exist.

I've never seen a brick and mortar reseller sell high capacity phones.

Apple do, buy that's apple for you...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] just_visiting:
Goodbye Samsung. No SD Card is the deal breaker for me.

Sent from phone, 'Poisoned by CyanideL', using Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
You're gonna walk around and plug your WHOLE phone into all the other machines you're using?! Neither your phone, not the other machines like it.

For those who use the note fully, the ability to work on your phone, and immediately have that work available on any other device is what it's all about.

Carry an sdCard. It's just memory. Portable, acceptable on any device.

There are problems associated with asking to plug your entire phone into other equipment, not least, the requirement to DOWNLOAD Samsung drivers to said 'other' equipment. This isn't going to work in offices, it's not going to work on the field, and it won't work in the boardroom.

Really.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hashiba Hoo Haa:
Just wondering about some of the critical reactions here.

Samsung gave us the incredible Note series, 4 being the pinnacle of perfection, and they continue to provide premium products based on Android. N5 with its said features is just one iteration based on the new design they want to present based on constant bickering towards plastic feel, don't think we need to diss Samsung.

Even with its current features N5 will blow the benchmarks, and socks off any Apple device they were to ever make, though agree, move to all metal line is schmoozing on Apple, not warranted for the Note series.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] taiseer999:
Disappointed as well as many who wrote or silently agreeing with all that was said. Sammy reducing the thickness of the device and tailing iPhone on the account of key features is testing your loyal customers to skip the new units. Thank you for saving my money.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Drizzy xS:
I can almost guarantee you Samsung doesn't give a crap what any of you think because you're not millions of people. You're 50 maybe 70 at best, for years and years people have been moaning about Samsung for their phones not having a premium enough feel and being plastic. For years piece of **** Samsung devices have lagged and it seems they've only just fixed this with the s6.. All of you trying to claim the note 4 is perfection are living in dream world it's the laggiest thing I've ever seen, the battery is terrible despite it being huge, multi tasking I'll probably have aged another year by the time it pops up and the back on the note 4 is disgusting. There's a reason people love the s6 cause they finally fixed the 2 main problems quality and performance, finally after what 10 years it doesn't lag as I've seen my friends. But nope Samsung can just leave you all to cry on Internet forums as you do about everything when you can't get your own way. If Samsung simply improves on what the s6 was with speed and such it'll be a worthy upgrade
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
"Samsung can just leave you all to cry on Internet forums as you do about everything when you can't get your own way. If Samsung simply improves on what the s6 was with speed and such it'll be a worthy upgrade..."

The Note 4 is actually an excellent phone. Been around, the rest don't come close.

And yeah, Samsung should go ahead and just make phones for the rest of the 'millions' it knows all about. They're in trouble and they're going to need all the help they can get.

The rest of us crying people will be fine. There are other phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hashiba Hoo Haa:
N5 may support USB otg, though agreed, SD is indeed a very convenient feature to be excluded.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Yathani:
You just took the words of my mouth. I 100% agree :good::good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Strategist:
I am very happy with my Note 4 which should last me at least 2 years so the Note 5 isn't that urgent for me. However I agree that Samsung is making a mistake by dropping the card slot and removable battery. They showed with the Note 4 that they could keep both and still have a sleek design so it's really not worth it. If the Galaxy S6 had been a big success perhaps it would have been justified but that has not been the case.

I expect Samsung will continue to lose ground over the next six months. I hope they come to their senses in 2016 and restore at least the card slot for the Note 6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dahmmy:
Looks to me Samsung are copying the Apple model of releasing phones with specs......ie the next note they do will probably have the SD card and removal battery back in.. seems they think the Note brand is good enough for good sales figures..

and to add salt to the wound, the note was known for its stellar battery life - and it looks like this may be compromised.. to a lot of folks these days battery life is a factor and the choice of other brands and competions is such as people like me dont care about brand loyalty..

the last samsung i had was the jet.. and after that experience i walked away from Samsung and tbh they arent giving me any good reasons to come back..

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Benchmarks dont mean zip...

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or wait for the next nexus?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hashiba Hoo Haa:
Utter bollocks. Having used both top of the line Android and iOS devices, with my usage being beyond what a regular user could ever imagine, for all categories - heavy prime time business usage, multiple enterprise domains, extensive data management, heavy on productivity, media, automation, editing and heavy on the communication, Note 4 has surpassed all my devices on every parameter including superb battery life.

Suggest you stop posting such unsubstantiated drivel and move along.

Glad you like the S6 and enjoy its capabilities, stop dissing the fantastic Note 4 and Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kiwito22:
Hey, Samsung, i have a great idea... lose the capacitive buttons and the hardware home button too... winning!

Actually, how about you go **** yourselves... this looks like a downgrade anyway i look at it

... ugh
[Galaxy Note 4 General] marvi0:
For me, no sd card and removable battery features which have stood out for note series. Will definitely push me to consider other android handsets. I do a lot of work though that requires me to type on the handset which as you can imagine leads to some pain on my fingers. That's when the stylus pen ✒ then comes in handy. So that might just force me to stick to note 4 for a while. Talking of which what's the nearest to note series with sd card, removable battery and stylus pen should Samsung definitely ditch the sd cards and removable battery on note series?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wizzbang3:
Buy a Note 4 and hold on to it till the Note 6 when they fix this idiot move of the Note 5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
The S6 was a huge sales disappointment that Samsung had to distort with sell in and inventory load-in to channel inventory. Samsung is about to cut the price of the S6 and Edge to stimulate sales that are declining rapidly. Just a 15% change of people buying due to lack of sd slot alone is millions of units and well over a billion in revenue. The Note 5 will have even worse impact since a utility device for a lot of people and they buy the Note in part due to the sd slot and some due to the battery. Samsung probably knows this but far too late to change the Note 5 design and not be months behind.

The Note will likely be a sales disaster, but once again we will get smokescreens from Samsung since they will tout retail channel load-in instead of actual sell through sales to consumers. If people want an iPhone clone, they will buy an actual iPhone and the people that want sd slots and Android will likely move on to the G4 and Moto X. Again, just 15% is over a billion dollars of revenue.

Saying just 50 to 70 people is a gross understatement. I do not know one current Note owner that is buying the Note 5 with no sd slot. That is zero out of a dozen people (counting me) that I talked with about this. Your sampling assertions will prove way off if the Note 5 has no sd slot. Guaranteed.

Added: I do not have significant lag issues with my Note 4 and keep it in power save mode. Perhaps the one you tested was one of those infamous clones? ;) Only a partial joke since I person at work bought a Note 4 and complained of this. It turned out he bought a clone for $400. The price alone should have made him suspicious. None the less the Note 4 does not lag any more or less than any other Android or iOS device I have tested in the past year. There is no such thing as a lag free device for various reasons in regards, to apps, cache. app recall, queues, cpu step changes, polling, data bus allocations, etc. Too many variables NOT to have lag. Android's design decision to load up ram and offload as needed does not help.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
HTC, LG, Moto, and Sony would trade places with them in a heartbeat as other than Apple no one's making a penny in mobile. The Chinese are selling a ton of phones but there's really no way to tell how much money they're making on them. I'd bet the conditions in the factories they're being built in are also probably an eye opener that's gone unnoticed because of the lack of sales in Western markets that care about those types of things.

$600+ premium (non-Apple) phones are a harder and harder sell. It's just reality.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/08/01/600-premium-android-phones-are-getting-harder-and-harder-to-sell/

So in the smartphone market Samsung's the best of a bad lot sales, revenue, and profit wise. What the future holds is a good question but I can't see HTC, LG, Moto, and Sony's fortunes reversing (if at all) at a faster rate than Samsung's. The dynamic has changed and Samsung's probably the best positioned to sell phones in a "new world order" even if YOY comparisons are atrocious.

As for the Note 5, of course I'll get one. I'm on Next 12 so it's free. It'll have a nice new battery with zero cycles on it, 5.1, newer versions of Samsung's apps (EG: S Note), it'll support Samsung Pay, and have the spiffy camera from the S6 which has an amazingly low "launch to shoot" factor. I'll live with no SD card and with QuickCharge I really didn't need a removable battery on my Note 4 any way. Now if I wasn't on Next all bets are off as nothing I listed is so compelling as to make me upgrade from 4<>5 at full retail.

To each their own.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
This point is their sales are less and not having an sd slot is going to have the opposite effect Samsung intended. Less people will buy the Note series that used to in the past and due specifically with the lack of sd slot. The Note series is not a fashion statement and more a utility device than the S series. Samsung is going to feel this one.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jj03:
we all know samsung will put out another version (or 6) of the note 5 with sd slot and removable battery. anyhow, i am very happy with my note 4 and will give the note 5 a miss.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] coolfire:
Yea.. Note 5 Edge+ anybody? What with Sammy's history lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] randy.turker:
As much that i love android but Note 4 will be the last device that i buy from samsung.

Their rom optimization suck for this really beautiful and top of the line hardware.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hello00:
RIP Samsucks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] @home:
If the Note 5 runs as badly on Lollipoop as the N4 does it's a real fail & one to give a miss.

It should have an M update immediately so as to get shut of Lollipoop.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mlock420:
I just flashed cm remix.....im loving my note 4....i don't mind staying with the 4 for a while.... In the end we have choices
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xManMythLegend:
Is the LG G4 Note or any other phone rumored have a Wacom Stylus ?

I never knew why Note never had a copy cat, now I'm annoyed there isn't one.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Strategist:
The latest reports suggest the Note 5 will only have a 3000 mah battery rather than the 4000+ that was rumoured in some reports.

So it looks like we have:

no card slot

no removable battery

smaller battery

no infrared

There will be improvements in processor and RAM but overall I think the Note 5 will actually be a worse device than the Note 4 at least for me. I am really not that interested in the metal/glass design since glass is more fragile and I will probably use a case. Samsung's metal/glass design gambit hasn't worked with the GS6 and I suspect it will work even less with the Note 5 which has always been aimed at power users. I just hope they will come to their senses in 2016.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sohebq:
All the people demanding metal metal, eat this.

Sent from Galaxy Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] @home:
Oh Dear.....

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...d_in_detailed_handson_pictures-news-13387.php
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
Dear, oh deary me.

What IS going on in those boardrooms? I'm sick to the stomach, honestly. I love my Note 4, is taken me years to come to Samsung and now it just seems soooo.....

Sigh. I don't know. It's over till next year. I just don't get it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Apparently neither does Samsung, but should be clear with Note 5 sales. Should be worse than S6 sales. By the time Samsung noticed poor S6 sales it was too late anyway to make any change to the Note 5. That of course presumes they would have made any change.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xManMythLegend:
At this point I'm actually just looking at Note 3 forums to see how long it took for note 4 features to be ported.

That's really all I care about now. Not sure I can recall a device that was thus distinct a downgrade from a previous version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] marvi0:
Definitely sticking with my note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hello00:
3,000 mAh? this phone is a joke
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lisbon2004:
its almost the same like Note 4, or worse in some aspects.

it does NOT weight 130g - still very heavy (170g)

it is barely any slimmer

does NOT have SD card slot

has exynos modem (vs Qualcomm one) - which may be a minus

costs a fortune

i'm very disappointed and will NOT upgrade.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kiwito22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6oEoBCuDDM

lol...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dajumper:
It's gonna be the new moto x for me!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xManMythLegend:
The best part will be when the know nothing apple schill tech bloggers who have bashed Samsung to the point they had to change their design get their hands on the clone and bash it anyway.

It's Fn amazing how bad Samsung has screwed the pooch since the S5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sohebq:
I am surprised how hard samsung is trying to push their customers away.

Sent from Galaxy Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] crash_194:
May be we are missing something perhaps...? Lol

Phones are so expensive nowadays you'd thing manufacturers on the whole would try harder to tempt people to buy a new on each year.

From paying circa £650 for the note 4 when it first came out, I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay the same again for the note 5 a year later when it actually doesn't seem as good as it's predecessor.

Can't see where Samsung are coming from with this one to be honest?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mlock420:
I know and it sucks because I never really gave any other company a chance at my money except Samsung all the way back at epic4g touch(s2) til now with note 3 and 4....and I love using that big @$$ brick of a battery 10,000 mah from zerolemon so note 5 is a no go....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xManMythLegend:
No , companies goal is to sell as much as they can cheaply as they can. They would never pack all the great features into a single phone. They have limited research and development and a desperate need to sell "next years" phone. Only when Samsung was getting murdered by Apple did they decide to step it up. They launched the S3 with insane amounts of design qualities ,features ,and of course marketing money. They saw an opportunity to play a hand and did the same with the Note 2. Gorgeous feature packed and marketing muscle. It got them the name and market share. S4 and S5 were a result of knowing people would upgrade regardless. Note 4 was the same. Samsung didn't forget they just don't care what got them market leadership. The philosophy now is Samsung fan boys will buy whatever they push put and try and get Apple fans over.

Well they shot themselves in the foot waiting FOREVER to put the Note 4 in stores then launching a dual disaster in the s6. As gorgeous and amazing a device as it is....you don't remove all those features then short supply a version people want most.

Now this ? Note 5 is literally the biggest strip down of a Major smartphone line we've ever seen. The S6 was about new design philosophy and a new style screen. Note series has now gone from unique design and branding with 3/4 to being an S6 clone with no edge screen. Every hardware feature is essentially a downgrade or lateral move.

I assume they are gearing up MAJOR money to push this to casuals knowing they screwed up again hoping to minimize damage.

S6 was a gamble so I get it...but Note 5 is just straight up ego.

Easily could have put a Micro SD card and Edge screen and satisfied most naysayers. But no..."people will buy it because it's Samsung".

Don't believe me ? Just look at HTC followups to the HTC One. Boardrooms will only let smartphones take chances every so often. Once you have a hit it's conservative boring iterations to squeeze money.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] A|ex:
I need my removable battery and my SD Card slot however i would not go as far as saying samsung are pushing people away. They are pleasing a different market and by doing so are taking in more users than they are losing.

This is an XDA forum not fisherprice! majority of those on here are techies and need a rich feature set.

Samsung are just following the trend and something which other phone manufacturers will do. I guess when they all start doing the same thing will the same people still be saying they suck with their apple iphone in their hand?

The main problems i see with the newer phones and non removable batteries is it puts an unofficial life date on the product before the battery needs replacing. However after saying that how many people actually keep a phone longer than 2 - 3 years? Hardly any, its those that PASS THE PHONE down or sell on.

The way i see it is....

The premium is higher for a larger internal storage (this shouldn't be a problem if you plan to keep your phone longer than a year as the extra cost will pay for itself). This plus the fact that if you wait a few months the cost of the phone at release drops significantly.

The Battery being fixed is an issue, this means that to get the battery replaced it will cost you money after x years. This cost is not massive and can be done at any repair centre however people know it might cost you 3x the price of a battery, this over x years or months is not a serious dint in the wallet since the phone will cost xxx.

Being a note 4 user i am on the move, being able to flip out my battery within seconds and place a new one is much faster than going into store and doing a 5min phone charge at cost or using a power pack.

It would be interesting to see how many people actually do the same as me with a spare battery and how many of those like the idea of flipping out the battery but not actually doing so.

SD Card is similar argument, how many of you actually change sd card. I used to do this but now i purchase a large SD card, i use a SD card adapter in my phone to quickly swap sd cards/ read etc. This is no longer a problem with an adapter and is more convenient that taking the cover off.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Sapphire999:
Well, as for me, I'm happy with my current Galaxy Note 4. And GN4 is more usefull for me: replacable battery, nice to hold, up to 128 GB external microsd card etc. Not waterproof, but I don't care about it. If I cann't replace battery, cann't insert microsd - I don't need such phone :) . For sure it's a matter of personal choice :)