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[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Yea, and I'm talking about more than the back. Moto Maker with some nice gold trim and accent is something you probably have not handled.

The compare "premium" requires having a MXPE with the best premium options.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
For me the premium is more about the look and a little on the feel. I think the moto feels better in the hand and even with rubber it was solid. Ive grown to like the curve back rather than the thin and flat. But without you seeing both devices in person you won't understand my point. Sure, moto is premium and with other backs it would feel solid but you just have to see one of these 6Ps in person. I don't think the black 6p would be as pretty but I don't know, I didn't think the aluminum would look this good so I'd have to see it in person to judge.

I'm glad you are happy with the x [emoji4] I am in no way banging on the moto, it is a great premium device that you all should be proud of.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
But you have not handled a premium tricked out Moto. So you're not speaking from a fully informed position either.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
lol but it is not about the handling. Like I said above I think the moto is the better for handling, hands down. No matter which version you buy. I'm talking about the look. It looks very premium with those beautiful chamfered edges, the way the back looks with the visor and chamfered edges, the material choice overall. It just looks so aesthetically pleasing. Gluing some wood on their wont change the fact that the 6P looks better. Sure I love the look but it still is out done by the 6P. The moto looks good and feels more solid IMO but as far as the look is concerned the 6P takes the cake in my opinion. Now this is my opinion and yours could differ greatly. Only way would be for you to see one in person.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
And still, you are comparing the top of the line Nexus flagship, against a mid-tier device that is at base model with none of the available premium options. So you have no perspective of a MXPE at its best. You are just trying to go off what you used, but you never used a MXPE at its best.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
but the only difference is wood or leather glued to the back... how would that change the look? I know ever so slightly but overall they are all the exact same. The design is what makes the 6P premium not because it has one thing glued to it rather than another.

But ok, I understand that you are trying to convince yourself that you made the right choice so I will back off and let you have it.
[X Style (Pure) General] redeyss:
Just sent my aluminium nexus 6p back to Google. Using my mxpe to type this, how in the hell could you use the 6p without a case?! It's so slippery and large I felt like I would drop and break the screen within days if not hours! Just for fun I re-ordered a graphite 6p with the adopted tpu case to give it another shot but we'll see. Using a cheap case on my mxpe too but feel much more confident when I want to go naked. The best phone is the one you can use without constant fear!
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I am only trying to help you understand, that you know nothing of a MXPE with champagne gold and a premium back. It's a totally different experience. You are guessing at best and have not performed an apples to apples comparison.

One of 4 6P options, compared to the lowest end of over 1000 MXPE options with many more of a premium variety, does not a fair comparison make.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
lol ok then. A color change of the exact same design I can't imagine it making that much difference. I simply disagree. I think any version of the 6P compared to any version of the MXPE will look better. They are the same hardware with a different thing glued to it and painted differently. But there is no reason to keep going back and forth, we simply need to agree to disagree. Plus the only options that would make it cost that much is if you added memory which wouldn't change the look or feel. So it is a $25 difference with maybe an extra $25 tossed in there. But anyways, seems like we both have made our minds up. At this point it wouldn't matter if we did get the devices our eyes will only see what we convince it to see. Enjoy your X, I will enjoy my better looking 6P (IMO of course ;))

No one could buy all the moto versions just to compare but just having one you can imagine all the changes and make a good educated guess. But what people consider better or more attractive will differ. There is nothing wrong with you preferring the moto x (which is beautiful and solid) and with me preferring the 6P. It's why moto gives users so many options, what si better for me or looks better will differ from you. Ain't no body gotta problem with dat.

and FWIW If I were someone else I would trust the guy who has both devices (even if he doesn't have all the options) over someone with one and who is bias. I'm not trying to be bias, in fact If anything I was bias towards moto before I got it. But as you see not everyone with both devices agree with me, that's perfectly fine. It is my opinion. But by your logic me owning all the phones in my signature makes me not able to comment on which phone I prefer or can consider more premium because I haven't owned the most expensive version... correct? Ehhh
[X Style (Pure) General] gtg465x:
It all comes down to preference guys. I own both and one is not objectively better than the other. Both have different strengths and weaknesses and you have to decide for yourself which are more important to you. Look at the pros I listed for each a few pages back and see which of those things matter most to you.

In the meantime, maybe this video will help... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrcxHugZFSc
[X Style (Pure) General] thebobmannh:
You're wasting your breath. He responds to literally EVERY post in this thread trying to sell people on the 6P. Why someone who has made up their mind would spend so much time on the forum of a phone they don't have or want anymore is beyond me.
[X Style (Pure) General] Notstewie:
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[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
And again, you don't understand, it changes more than the "look". But since you don't have, you can't understand.

I know he does, that's why I decided to keep him busy for a while. Notice, he said he would let me have the last and then he came right back in response to me and wrote a long message again. That says a lot right there.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
I meant you could have that point if you want it, not that I wont respond. Honestly Im having fun on here and have time to spare so that's why. I don't care if anyone buys the 6P I just like to help anyone who is torn between the two choices and give my opinion. That's really the only reason I hang around xda is to help people and to learn. I have said things many times that you ignore like my opinion will differ greatly and so on. I will reply every time because you replied that that is how it works if I understand it correctly. If you want a conversation I can go all day but if you do not don't quote me because I get an email and the cycle will continue. I thought this was a discussion about the 6P vs MXPE.

The real reason I posted was for anyone who wants me to provide info, screen shots, benchmarks, camera samples, photos of the whites compared, issues I have with the 6P, how does XXX app work and so on to get that info before I send the device back. Instead we are talking about user preferences and silly things like I don't know what I'm talking about because I have to see all versions of the moto x before I can say which seem more premium to me. This thread is useless if you created it with the intention of shutting down anyone's opinion if it differs from yours.

I'm here to help, or I can go away. Your choice. :)

Because my main point in most of my post is that neither phone is the best but the best differs from person to person I wanted to use this time for you to ask about the features that matter to you so I can help anyone chose.

I have a strong feeling this thread was created so you guys could make yourselves feel better about the phone you chose but not to have an open debate/discussion of what features are better and so on. I understand since it is a thread on the MXPE that you would get some loyalists who won't be open but just use this time to help people chose.
[X Style (Pure) General] Oaklands:
To be honest folks, I could give a crap on everyone's opinion on which phone is better. I only looked at price and features and kept in mind that Motorola always gets good reception. I picked the one that suited my needs. I'm happy and glad people are happy with their Nexus 6 devices. I'm happy with my bang for the buck. If I want more information on the Nexus 6 then I will go to that forum.
[X Style (Pure) General] whodatfan:
That vid comparison done by pocketnow was money. Anyone on the fence about these two phones should definitely watch it.
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
[MENTION=4654460]thebobmannh[/MENTION] - It's both hilarious and sad at the same time :D .
[X Style (Pure) General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Since you are not able. I will show you what it means to really allow someone the last word.

Gentlemanly restraint is a beautiful thing.
[X Style (Pure) General] :
Both of those are great choice..
[X Style (Pure) General] tranemonk33:
I returned my Nexus 6p today. New Moto X's should be here by the end of next week.
[X Style (Pure) General] CeeJayII:
Well, here's my 2 cents on the topic. Just received a nexus 6p ealier today and have been using the moto x pure for about a month. The Nexus is definitely a bit smoother in some animations and feel a tiny bit snappier in some apps. Fingerprint reader is cool and there is no lcd screen bleed in dark rooms on black screens, that can annoy me when my eye catches it.

I really like the Nexus and would keep it if not for the size. The thing is unforgiving for one hand operation. I'm 6'4" and have larger hands but it's still a chore. The MXP's greatest strength may be form factor, so comfortable for a big phone. I was hesitant to step up to a phablet and the pure was my first, perhaps it spoiled me. The sides of the Nexus dig into you hand and it feels rigid, even with a case. In the end, a phone should be comfortable to operate with one hand in my opinion. I'm sticking with the pure and will sacrifce the 1/4 second more it takes to load some apps and so slightly less smooth animation. The Moto still is very fast and will only get better with Android M.

I believe the droid turbo 2 unlocked would be the perfect phone for me and would most likely trump the 6p in many reviewers eyes were it not for it's big red anchor. Unfortunately you have to sell your soul to Verizon in the states to get one, which I'm not willing to do. MXP it is.
[X Style (Pure) General] tranemonk33:
Amen brother... You nailed it. I would only just add that the Moto Assist actions add another layer that the Nexus 6p doesn't have yet.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Yeah for me if the moto x had a fingerprint reader and a better LCD (like the quantum LCD from the G4/V10) it would be the perfect phone. Even if it just had the fingerprint reader... I'm hoping next years Moto X will be the one for me :) :fingers-crossed:
[X Style (Pure) General] T-Keith:
Actually the turbo 2 should be unlocked and compatible with most carriers. As far as I know you can just buy it outright without a Verizon plan.
[X Style (Pure) General] Restola:
Great comparison. He also did a 5x vs mxpe https://youtu.be/rrcxHugZFSc
[X Style (Pure) General] tranemonk33:
Where did you see that? I saw an online review that it was locked to Verizon.
[X Style (Pure) General] T-Keith:
A lot of half truths out there about verizon. My guess is they meant it's only for sale and guaranteed to work on verizon. Most if not all verizon phones are unlocked for GSM use. I know people were using the 2013 moto x on t-mobile.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
I have not seen one review stating the G4 or V10 display is better than the MXPE. Quite the opposite so far.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
Why do you need a review? I've owned the G4 and the V10 has the same screen (I have also seen in person). There is no comparison, the screens are amazing. Best LCD around. You can drop by any att, Verizon, T-Mobile or Sprint store and see it for yourself. The brightness and out door visibility are the only things this ips tft display has on the LG quantum displays. No joke it is like a amoled screen had a baby with and LCD. I've talked to many people on xda even ones that own the MXPE and the agree easily.

Reviewers seems to prefer amoled for some reason.
[X Style (Pure) General] benjamminh:
My wife has a G4 and I have an MXPE and I prefer my screen to hers. It's not a huge difference though.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
The colors pop on the quantum screen and the blacks are very dark. The MXPE has horrible blacks but it is brighter so it all depends on your tastes. I like the vivid color without making them cartoonish like AMOLED and darker blacks than the MXPE can produce.

Put a black photo on the screen on both devices and hold them up together. It's shocking the difference (full screen of course)

Sorry for hijacking this thread (all thought it appears dead and useless), if anyone wants to continue this conversation hit me up on PM.
[X Style (Pure) General] rushless:
The MXPE has an LCD, so no bias by reviews. I have not seen one review favoring the LG devices and my own comparison concurs. Simple point is it is not a given the MXPE is inferior at all.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
That's a very interesting view, I have heard the opposite. And I've owned it and felt the opposite. So think what you want. What are your sources from the reviewers who state the screen is better?

An honest reviewer would state the tft LCD of the MXPE is brighter and better for outdoor visibility but the quantum ips display has more vivid and saturated colors and deeper blacks. So then its up to us to decide which we prefer. I know users who would take a brighter display over more colorful any day but I lean toward to G4. It would have been a site to have that display tech in the pure but I know many would disagree. Both are fantastic but after owning a G4 I lean to that side. I tend to be picky with screens so its my number 1 feature. We are off topic here so please PM me the reviews so I can see it in context, thanks

EDIT: PM sent
[X Style (Pure) General] CeeJayII:
I'm planning on posting a youtube video comparing the 2 phones. I've spent a bit more time with the 6p and it has grown on me a little but flaws are becoming more apparent also. LTE connection seems to drain the 6p battery very fast. Over a days use I get 4ish hours screen time, give or take, where i was getting at least 4.5 with the MXP, that's pretty surprising considering the 6p has doze. Also Bluetooth connection isn't as strong on 6p, neither is the LTE connection. Bluetooth will drop a bit in the gym, never had this problem with MXP. About 1 bar lower LTE connection on average. No difference in call quality. 6p is really smooth in everything it does, MXP just isn't.... yet. 6p screen is better for my tastes but MXP is a ton brighter.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
I agree with battery, for some reason I get better standby on the moto x than I do on the 6P. But I get more on screen time on the 6P than I did on the moto x (with my usage). I look forward to your video

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I agree with battery, for some reason I get better standby on the moto x than I do on the 6P. But I get more on screen time on the 6P than I did on the moto x (with my usage). I think my moto 360 has something to do with it. Marshmallow will be a game changer I'm sure, I'm excited to test. I look forward to your video
[X Style (Pure) General] squallz506:
The moto x pure's display has better max brightness, min brightness, color temperature, delta e rgbcmy, and delta e grayscale than the g4. The only category that the g4's display is better is contrast.

Edit: to keep on topic, the same exact results for the PE vs the 6p. The 6p only wins in contrast.

Edit 2: the same goes for the 5x which surprised me. I expected the pure to beat it in every category based on reviews.
[X Style (Pure) General] gtg465x:
None of the sites I've seen test viewing angles though, and I can tell you (because I owned both phones) that the G4 definitely has much better viewing angles than the Pure. The screen on the Pure loses a lot of brightness when viewed from even a little bit off to the side.
[X Style (Pure) General] squallz506:
Yeah, I look at my device straight on, all the time, always. Viewing angles have 0 impact on my decision.
[X Style (Pure) General] gtg465x:
Ah, I have a wife and like to look at things on my phone together with her quite often (showing her photos, watching YouTube videos together, etc.), so viewing angles matter to me.

Also, how do you know the Moto X Pure has better color temperature, delta e rgbcmy, and delta e grayscale than the Nexus 5X and 6P? Please don't tell me PhoneArena, because they are so dumb that they didn't even know the Nexus 6P has an sRGB display setting and they show results for the display when it's not in sRGB mode (so of course the delta e values aren't good).
[X Style (Pure) General] squallz506:
Yup PA is the only site with a proper database of device metrics. Take it or leave it, I couldn't care less.

The 5x and g4 don't have an sRGB mode, so those metrics stand.
[X Style (Pure) General] cb474:
For people who have had both the 2015 Moto X Pure and the 6P, how would you compare the noise cancellation? If you're in a noisy place, how well do the two phones cancel out background noise for your caller?

I've read some people say the 6P is much better than the Nexus 6 by Motorola, which might suggest it would also be better than the 2015 Moto X (which uses the same noise cancellation). But there have also been a lot of complaints about the microphones and noise cancellation on the 6P (muffling calls, doing other weird things).

Just curious to get more feedback on this. I know that generally Motorola phones have very good call quality, so just to be clear, my question is specifically about noise cancellation. Some phones have great call quality in general, but when in noisy places do a really bad job canceling noise for the person on the other end of the line.
[X Style (Pure) General] SymbioticGenius:
I currently have in my possession both my Nexus 6 and my 6P. How exactly would I go about testing this, if it's simple enough I'll do it to help out
[X Style (Pure) General] k3mik4l:
I'd take my moto customized with black leather and red accents over both nexus phones especially the 5x, its not even a contest there. The 6p is a beauty but again I'd choose the moto over that as well. Both run stock but moto throws in some nice additions that are very helpful where the nexus does not. The moto display alone makes this phone a better choice then adding mkto voice while driving is very convenient. Both cameras are pretty much on par with each other. Regarding the 6p it does have that sexy amoled display which is the one thing moto should have stuck with . The screen is still beautiful and very bright with more true to life colors but there is no denying that inky blacks and saturated colors do pop out and I miss that. I'm sure moto will bring it back next year so I'm happy with this pure until moto drops its next flagship in 2016
[X Style (Pure) General] cb474:
Thanks!

You could do it in a few ways. Go to a noisey place, like a noisy cafe or even bar, and call someone else on both phones and ask them to report the difference on how well the background noise is cancelled out for them. Or in the same noisey place call yourself and leave a message in your voicemail and then listen to the recordings to compare the phones.

Or if you wanted to get more complicated about it, AnandTech used to test with a noise track that they would play while sitting next to a speaker. They would call another phone (somewhere else, so it was not subject to the same noise) and record the call on that phone. Then while talking into the phone they would increasingly turn up the volume to demonstrate the limits of the noise cancellation. Sadly AnandTech stopped doing this test more than a year ago. If you scroll down on this page you can see an example of them comparing the iPhone 4 (with the best in calls Audience noise cancellation chip--first used in the Nexus One, but also the only Nexus phone with it) to the iPhone 5 (which dropped the chip for some inferior in house Apple solution):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/21

I found this noise track that might be useful on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdLmxy06H0

Whatever you feel up to. Thanks again.
[X Style (Pure) General] joshuadjohnson22:
I'm not picky but I honestly had no issues with noise cancelation on either device. I work in a data center where it is very loud and made calls all the time with the moto x and 6p and had no issues. The people I talked to had no issues hearing either.
[X Style (Pure) General] cb474:
That's interesting. I definitely had callers notice right away when I switched from my Nexus One (with the class leading Audience chip for noise cancellation) to my Nexus 4 (which uses Qualcomm's much less effective Fluence noise cancellation). If I was in a noisey cafe with the Nexus One, people were surprised and said they thought I was at home. With the Nexus 4 people immediately would ask, "Are you in some noisy place?"

Since active noise cancellation in phones works basically the same way as in noise cancelling headphones, it's generally better at cancelling a constant din, as opposed to more erratic and quickly changing noise. So I wonder if the noise in the data center where you work just happens to be the kind of noise that any halfway decent noise cancellation would cancel well. But in another setting, you might find more differences between the Moto X and the 6P.
[X Style (Pure) General] T-Keith:
Have a picture of your phone. Just how I planned mine.
[X Style (Pure) General] dcunited08:
For those who will only go for the stock experience, only two phone releases matter each year. I am interested in the Nexus 5 this year as a N5 user for the past two years but I am extremely interested in the Moto X as well. I like the assisting options, from what I've seen of them. I don't care about the fingerprint scanned and would actually prefer to stay on micro USB rather than type C. The only thing I think I would miss if I was to buy the X would be the updates. I tend to flash the images as soon as they are uploaded and try out the previews. I understand Moto doesn't provide images to flash.
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
If moto doesn't supply flashable updates then I guess having a rooted stock rom would be problematic? A monthly security update would require clean flashing the stock rom, applying all the new monthly security ota's, and then a reroot every month. Talk about dreading an OTA.
[X Style (Pure) General] biggiestuff:
They had stock images for the moto x 2013 i recently updated to lollipop. I flashed the KitKat rom and then took the OTA to lollipop. You have to request for it on the Motorola page
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
So to avoid having to wipe after each months security ota is this the process for a rooted stock:

Dirty(?) flash factory image

Apply each month security ota

Reroot
[X Style (Pure) General] biggiestuff:
Yeah
[X Style (Pure) General] NCguy:
You think there could be like 6 to 12 of these monthly security otas between a new rom? Sure hope they're cumulative or rooting may just be too awkward.
[X Style (Pure) General] ewingr:
<sigh></sigh> ... Seems rooting is getting ever more elusive, for one reason or another.