yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
You do know that Google is not obligated to push anything to aosp right? They could easily stop pushing anything to aosp and only send it to oem to use. Even CM is doing it. Replacing open source apps with closed sourced apps.

You speak about freedom like if you buy something you have the right to do what ever you want with it. So you by that logic if you buy music that means you can turn around and sell it?

It's not me that is disabling things. It's developers and even Google that is making it not work. Mostly due to security issues and the bugs it causes.

People come here because they think modding their phone is something cool to do. Wrong reasons.

You act like it is your chose on what other people put in their roms.

People will always want to get paid for their hard work. It is their right.

I'm really having a hard time taking this seriously when we are in a forum for an oem that is against everything that you describe.

The difference is we don't cater to the public.

So you are using a device from a company you find immoral. If you really believed that you would have a nexus.
[Mi 3 General] TinkoB:
In the interest of focusing this discussion, I'll only address the main point this time

That's not an argument for implementing unwanted software, to make that argument, you actually have to say:

"In the interest of having developers paid it is necessary/sensible/effective to restrict the freedom of the user through technical means such as this DRM project".

That's really the core of the argument. But this statement is not true. Using the right technologies, I could get any music I want for free and redistribute it privately without any fear of repercussion, even if I was caught doing it (that's the result of my local laws). I'm not doing that. Music is getting funded in my country and in other countries.

I could get almost any software/game/etc. without giving a penny to its developers and redistribute it privately without any fear of repercussion, even if I was caught. I'm not doing that.

You can get the completely compatible downstream of Red Hat Enterprise Linux for free through CentOS. Red Hat is not going bankrupt, in fact they are sponsoring CentOS by hiring most of its main developers (who are creating free software while getting paid).

The whole free software community proves you wrong, it is full of well-paid developers.

History proves you wrong as well: The music industry which has far more resources for development at its hand than the xda-community failed to prevent music piracy by implementing DRM. They didn't went bankrupt when they removed it.

Even always-on DRM failed to prevent gaming piracy. They still manage to sell their stuff by creating attractive online offers.

But above all, this will fail spectacularly with the after market firmware crowd. That's one of the worst community of all communities to try impose DRM on. You'll see that fail as well, if it stays ineffective as it is now, people can simply bypass it, while others will condemn you for even implementing it. If it gets more effective it will drive people away because that means locking down the platform.

Conclusion: trying to get developers paid better through the means of DRM is the wrong track, it always has been. This is even more ironic to try this with those who are coming to unlock their phones. You might believe that's the wrong reason to come to XDA, well, if you try to drive people away who come for that reason, you'll watch the fall of XDA and its replacement by other communities. Good luck on your path, you'll find that it's on the wrong side of history.
[Mi 3 General] grogi:
From functional point of view - I don't care. I don't support piracy and it never came to my mind to pirate the apps. But from a wider perspective, I think it is a bad thing.

First of all, those who wants to pay for apps, will buy them. Sometimes will wait for a sale, but still will buy. Those who don't, will not pay anyway, regardless of how many AntiPiracy tricks are pulled from the hat. Users determined to steal will search for workaround, developers will patch those workarounds etc. Look at the sophisticated activation procedures Microsoft has brought in - and they still get cracked. What a waste of resources...

IMHO there will be no effect on app sales. However, services like that go AGAINST the spirit of Android, XDA and freedom in general. Apple heavily restricts what can be installed - is it what we want in this ecosystem?
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
Bottom line is these developers are doing this to help prevent their roms from used with warez. In the end you can say it is a good thing or a bad thing but it doesnt matter. If that is what they want to add to their roms that is their choice.

As for driving people away, This has been going on for a while and most understand why and have accepted it. Do the developers care that they lose some users? No not really.

People keep talking about freedom. You are free to remove it by building your own roms. This is the developers choice if they want to add it. If people like it or not doesnt really matter.

Still funny in this device forum as this OEM goes out of their way to lock it down so even AOSP based roms will have issues.
[Mi 3 General] ashish289:
I don't use lucky patcher or related apps but I don't support this antipiracy support so I stopped using ROM included this feature and now I am using official cyanogenmod(not included in bitti post) .The day cyanogenmod include this feature I will remove it from my device and flash STABLE MIUI ROM WITH WORKING camera also delete delete my XDA account .My first device got hard bricked because of XDA, developers use users as Guinea pigs to test their roms etc . my thought /freedom xD
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
This is a development forum. It is not intended for anyone that doesnt know the risks of flashing beta software. Not to mention XDA is only a forum. If you are talking about your Duo, things like that happen. That is why we tell people to know and understand what you are doing before you do anything. People just dont listen and want to flash their device because they think its cool.
[Mi 3 General] ashish289:
But users should have freedom to install any app they want .if developers want to curb piracy they can install antipiracy measures in their apps .who will decide which apps to block ? For example I saw developers fighting because they thought their work stolen. What if developers start blocking apps of other developers ,
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
They have tried that. It is gonna take both working together. Like many apps are looking for things like xposed framework, lucky patcher and others and if it detects them then the apps refuse to install. The apps that are blocked are well known pirate apps. Like all markets that host warez, lucky patcher, freedom ect.

To be honest this is their right to do so. Like I mentioned some already block things like Xposed as well, devs will not block legit apps.

IF you want the freedom to install what ever you want then build your own rom. Its really not hard unless you use a device that is not developer friendly like say the Xiaomi devices.

Now people think that has anything to do with freedom. It really doesnt. You are free to do what ever it is you want, but if you use a rom made by someone else then you have to play by their rules. Its as simple as that really. Take any device. You want to run Samsung software then you play by Samsungs rules. Same things goes for any rom built by someone else. Heck even MIUI does it. You get on their beta team and if you dont follow their rules they eject you from the team and if you say something bad about them then they ban you all together.

Lets just hope that others dont follow samsungs lead (will happen most likely though) and make devices soo locked down that you cant even root it. Sooner or later if you want to mod your device you will have no choice but to get a nexus device.

I mean even windows is locking their hardware down. Just look at the new locked bootloaders in windows 10 machines.
[Mi 3 General] oldyin:
Rom's that have "anti piracy software activated android" should state that on main introductions to the rom/download/information page

then people that use the like's of

Lucky Patcher

Black Mart

Freedom

All in one Downloader

Get APK Market

CreeHack

Game Hacker

will not waste time & effort on these roms.
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
Well then I'll be honest. People that use those things should not use the roms here. The reason being is that any bug reports that show logs of having things like this installed are automatically ignored.

All of those are already banned on the site and asking for any help with them is also banned.

If people want to know what's in a rom just need to look at the roms source on github.
[Mi 3 General] paul c:
There is a really long sticky on AICP's G+ page, including contributions from David.

I really cannot see how anyone can oppose this addition to the ROMs, first since ROMs are shared by the devs because they want to (who may also be victims of theft, or piracy, if you care to understand it that way).

Secondly there is no logical justification for backing using those warez apps. If you can spend $200, $300, or whatever on a phone, you can also spend $1, $2 etc on a few apps. If you can't get a credit card yet, maybe you can ask your parents?

If you really do live behind a Play firewall, there are plenty of apks available from the Apps & Games section here, check the first post in each thread. Or contact the dev directly, they are often able to find a way.

Yes, if you really want to, you can recompile each nightly as it emerges, to remove the hated anti-piracy support.

Admittedly, this is no longer the pure development community it was, but everything depends on motivation. Recompiling a ROM is no longer rocket science. It does require using the search button a few times though ;)

Though it might just be easier to upgrade to a stricter set of morals...

As for XDA, as zelendel has said many a time, any promotion of warez is not allowed here, it's a bannable offence. So it just may be that this is not the ideal community for some members.
[Mi 3 General] Jayvijay Gohil:
First!!! @RairuLyle, My problem is with this poll. Why are you hell bent on proving that those who don't want this drm want to install cracked apps? Second, @zelendel we know how badly you want it to be implemented but please let the device owners decide.

All in all, I am against it. Thank You.
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
First off don't think you know what I want. To be honest I couldn't care less if it is or not. It makes no diff to me personally. It won't change what I do one way or the other.

In the end it is up to the devs if they add it or not. Don't like it then learn to build roms yourself.
[Mi 3 General] Jayvijay Gohil:
After reading your comments, everybody will come to a similar conclusion. There is no guesswork needed here. I am well aware that it is up to devs so let them ask us. Don't force it on them or us.
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
If you read my posts then you will see that we are not forcing on devs. Devs have no reason to ask people. It is totally their call.

Remember that devs don't do this for users. They do it for themselves and them decide to share. This is why devs don't support devices that they don't own.

Once again if people don't like it then they are more then welcome to learn to compile their own roms. This is what xda is about, learning to do things on your own.
[Mi 3 General] Jayvijay Gohil:
What has the creator said? He has categorically stated that those who won't implement it support piracy. Isn't it indirectly forcing the devs?
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
No, That is his opinion. Nothing more. Some teams have not added it for their own reasons. No one is forced to do anything. Devs are not forced to use it, users are not forced to flash a rom with it and app developers are not forced to support it either. Now have some developers for themes dropped support for roms that dont have it? Yes but again that is their opinion and choice.
[Mi 3 General] Jayvijay Gohil:
If the decision is solely dev's, why do a poll? we can see through this as we are not kids. I won't be replying any further as this poll itself does not make sense.
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
A user made the poll. Why? I couldnt tell you. I can only guess that the user thought if enough people were against it then it would be killed off. Not the case but like I said I can only guess.
[Mi 3 General] Jayvijay Gohil:
Point taken but at least tell him to be more precise with the poll options. I hope you can at least do that as a mod. Thank You. Peace.
[Mi 3 General] tormie:
Thank you for the list of ROMs to avoid.

I could only suggest to the Staff to ask the developers to apply a tag to the topic in order to see instantly if it contains this software.

For the rest there is very little to debate, if not: ROFL!
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
The list is not complete anymore and no we are not having them do that. If they post it in the OP that is their choice.
[Mi 3 General] i snort flour:
Sorry I just have to say xda didn't hard brick your phone. You hard bricked your phone. When modding your phone at all you should be educated in the process. Also you should knowingly and willingly be aware that you're risking your phone while doing any mod to it related to kernel or os tinkering. Don't blame others for your own stupidity. Nobody has ever put a gun to your head and threatened to pull the trigger if you didn't do as they said.

P.S. people like you shouldn't mod your device and as zelendel stated earlier people like you are the reason phone companies are cracking down on people modding their device or even rooting it.
[Mi 3 General] Skullpluggery:
Guys chill , it is just a discussion and poll thread :)

Be happy ;)
[Mi 3 General] Skullpluggery:
[MENTION=1140856]zelendel[/MENTION] Ok but first chill? If your choice are not in the pole then don't vote. I am not forcing anyone to vote, if they want why not? Some of them don't vote they just give their thoughts and it doesn't affect the thread.
[Mi 3 General] zelendel:
Ok this thread has gone on long enough
[AT&T LG G4] knoshann:
Anyone read about the new root method for all G4s?

I can't link it for some reason but it is in the non carrier G4 section
[AT&T LG G4] :
Yup. Already rooted and debloated.
[AT&T LG G4] cogcaviz24:
Link, pics, and/or video or it didn't happen.
[AT&T LG G4] :
Or you could not be lazy and go look in the main forums for it.
[AT&T LG G4] KonterBiER:
See this:

[ROOT] TMO/VZW/ATT/SPRINT/INTL Root your LG G4 with Low Effort Root!
[AT&T LG G4] jdizzle30:
Yeah, works like a charm.
[AT&T LG G4] darkriff:
Has anyone tried this on a H810 10B VERSION?
[AT&T LG G4] sorozco:
How did you do the debloat? I tried manually going through and nuking various things with Titanium Backup and have managed to get into a spot where I randomly get errors like existing apps are missing dependencies. I should have stopped at nuking all ATT stuff and having most of the LG stuff not being loaded but not removing them completely. :(.

Anyone know where I can find all the LG Apps or a way to pull them back down without going back to a stock image then rerooting? :)
[AT&T LG G4] JacenSolo2001:
I see that you had success with your root on the AT&T variant. I'm using to rooting Samsung phones, so this is definitely different. :)

Did you encounter any weirdness by just following the original post instructions? Any tips you can pass along before I take the plunge?

Thanks!
[AT&T LG G4] sorozco:
I found it very easy but I'm also familiar with low level tools.

If you follow the guide exactly, it should be easy. Just be careful with what you "clean" afterward or you'll end up like me with some weird issues.
[AT&T LG G4] phineous:
Don't do it, it'll brick the phone. They only have a rooted image up for the H81010g.

Follow their directions for making a system image file of your phone.

There are directions somewhere on how to root your image file so look around if you feel comfortable with that.

You can also upload your 10b image to Mega or Androidfilehosts for others to use.

---------- Post added at 07:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:50 PM ----------

Block or freeze first! There may be some files you need uploaded on Androidfilehosts.com.

If you post a list of files you need in a new thread here, someone will help you. My phone is bricked, so I can't help today.
[AT&T LG G4] knoshann:
What do you freeze to stop the automatic over the air updates?
[AT&T LG G4] :
I removed most of what on the list in the "debloater" link to stop updates. Only drawback is I think I destoryed my MMS because I removed some thing I shouldn't have.
[AT&T LG G4] phineous:
Check my Debloat thread, I think someone mentioned which file nuked MMS for them, but on another carrier. You can also try another MMS app. I don't like the stock one.
[AT&T LG G4] ry7669:
I also got carried away and deleted some necessary apps. I did a factory reset and went through the root process again and it restored the deleted apps and now all is well.
[AT&T LG G4] :
I didn't freeze the apps, I removed them completely. I need to return to stock to resolve it more than likely hah
[AT&T LG G4] sorozco:
Did you do the basic factory reset on the phone? If that's all you did, I might do the same :).
[AT&T LG G4] :
I couldn't get past the startup screen once I reset because of the blocks. LGstartup keeps crashing making it so I can't get past it. Stock it is. And now the damn stock restore keeps failing too.
[AT&T LG G4] knoshann:
Does anyone know what could be stopping photo lock from working? I'm hoping that's what it is anyeay
[AT&T LG G4] knoshann:
Just an fyi it's called "content lock" just found it
[AT&T LG G4] knoshann:
Will be so glad for a custom restore and roms
[AT&T LG G4] :
Will, I'm stock 810PR which is must better than the stock ATT IMO, and i'm about to reroot again :D
[AT&T LG G4] a40dayflud818:
The only thing I don't like about the PR build is the boot up screen. Don't ask me why but I REALLY don't like it. Other than that, I really love this phone.
[AT&T LG G4] scabbie1980:
I was thinking about going to get this phone today. Do y'all have TWRP Recovery yet for the AT&T version..
[AT&T LG G4] :
No.
[AT&T LG G4] scabbie1980:
Thanks

---------- Post added at 12:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 PM ----------

is it something Wrong with AT&T G4 or no one made it yet?
[AT&T LG G4] djkinetic:
Locked boot loader.. Fully working twrp or aosp roms will never make it to this version of the g4 unless an unlock or bypass exploit is found.
[AT&T LG G4] scabbie1980:
So is there any mods or tweaks like changing the status bar
[AT&T LG G4] scabbie1980:
Never mind
[AT&T LG G4] scabbie1980:
I finely got this phone and bricked it the same day. Then I put the 810PR on it, rooted it and put xposed on it. This is a great phone. Wish we could get Roms but I do like the stock feel.....
[AT&T LG G4] user787:
I do not like it either. If your device is rooted then you can mod bootanimation and shutdownanimation zips

Currently I have the LG carrier unbranded anim with LP NXS6 bootanim

Do search. The files and instructions are here
[AT&T LG G4] BH1984:
Please help

I recently talked to someone. I accidently took the OTA update from ATT. It updated my firmware to H81010I. Someone told me you have to root this in a linux enviroment. I really don't know if this is the case. I have ADB. Also I have all of the items that I would need and pushed SU and busybox over. Could someone give me the correct steps to complete this task?

Thanks,

Brent
[AT&T LG G4] uly609:
Please search. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=62664473&postcount=35

use that system.img it is already pre rooted and just follow the root steps in the LER post.
[AT&T LG G4] BH1984:
Just Rooted

I have a LG G4 H810. It is for ATT.

I just achieved root. You can use the Low Effort Root(LER) for all LG G4.

You have to trasfer a few files via adb in DOS.

You will also have to have a Rooted version of your Android Version.

There is a post and it lets you make a Image File - IMG of your current Android Version.

I made a backup. and saved to my PC and Google Drive.

Then I flashed the Rooted version.

Make sure that the rooted version you flash is by a Developer in this forum.
[AT&T LG G4] Cookiedroid:
Will it work on Marshmallow??
[AT&T LG G4] :
We don't have M yet..so we don't know.
[AT&T LG G4] rg4ah:
Hi

Can i rooting my phone LG G4 H-818

Or change the room
[AT&T LG G4] dsilx:
I dont see

I dont see anything new whats the name of the thread
[XDA Assist] arjunarasu:
Mega cloud has been completely down cannot download any roms for my phone
[XDA Assist] Razvan:
Hi there,

We are sorry but we cant respond at this issue. Post here for more answers:

[Ask Any Question][Newbie Friendly]

Good luck
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] x-layer:
Hi. I saw on forum that this error can be fixed, but i didnt find this tread. If someone know how to fix this, please adviese.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] x-layer:
Anybody? I know i saw one post about this. Please help me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Gerigo-Greece:
Try similar topic under Artemis. There is a solution that has worked in a way

on both the Artemis and Trinity both with WM6 and with iGo 2006 -Destinator 6 and 7 and Tom TOM .
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] E-P-S:
can you please post a link?

i didnt find it :-(

or is there a new solution?

igo8

trinity

Requested: 32768

Cache: 463793
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ibeqa:
I use IGO8 with my TyTN, no problems until now.

I hope you resolve the problem.

Cheers
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Q&A for [MODS]Sprint Hotspot Unlock and more...

Some developers prefer that questions remain separate from their main development thread to help keep things organized. Placing your question within this thread will increase its chances of being answered by a member of the community or by the developer.

Before posting, please use the forum search and read through the discussion thread for [MODS]Sprint Hotspot Unlock and more.... If you can't find an answer, post it here, being sure to give as much information as possible (firmware version, steps to reproduce, logcat if available) so that you can get help.

Thanks for understanding and for helping to keep XDA neat and tidy! :)
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whysoaegyo:
Will this charge me ? I was able to unlock my sprint hotspot but im kinda afraid sprint will charge me when i open it.
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RayTrue04:
^^^ I've been using this method for about a month now and no issues. Found it on the Note 4 forums and it's been great. I doubt Sprint will charge as the verification process is skipped. They better not, I've used 60+ gigs this month lol

Ps you can skip number 7 on the non root method. No reboot necessary, just save and turn the sucker on :thumbup:
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paleryder:
Do you really think burning through 60gb is a good idea, I mean that's allot and begging for then to fix this. Just my two sense
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RayTrue04:
I've seen ppl do worse. 100+ on a month to month basis.. Sprint shut down my band 41 tho so I don't think I'll be using this again. So much for net neutrality and no throttling. Once my phone fallsback to band 41 all data comes to a halt which is way worse than throttling. Had to disable it in order to have a working phone again..
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djkdawg:
Has anyone noticed huge speed increases after doing the mod, I have two note edges, both sprint, we average about 5Mbps down, which sucks, so after doing this mod, I am averaging 60Mbps down while my wifes unroot phone right next to mine is barely getting 5Mbps down
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RayTrue04:
You probably have a newer phone then her with carrier aggregation and CA just probably got fired up in your area. That's what it sounds like to me anyways. This doesn't affect your speed.