yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
For the first go, I'd personally like to see mrvrealvga integrated as well as humanly possible into the ROM. As well as basic performance tweaks and utilities.

Otherwise, vanilla as hell. Only include things that are nearly universally used.

Example: I don't use TomTom and neither do lots of other folks. Why waste the space.

Example: I do use MS VoiceCommand and it seems like some ROMs do a good job of integrating it. I would love that, but if others don't, then scratch that.

Keep the first one mean and lean.

My thoughts.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] jab:
I second wgary's comments to the wants and not wants.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Mahmood:
NICE waited long time now let the cooking begin :

Mouse driver from mobidock (important!!)

trueVGA interegated with the files (vijays big phone and other trueVGA files)

HTC touchFLUO files interegated (that will make it to scroll to in any menu and page)

HTC audio manager (VGA)

SMS backup

Batterystatus 1.04

Ofiice 2007 for WM6

Clear storage

some tweaks (to make it fatser like GDI tweaks, storage cache tweaks)

HTC today audio plugin (from htc touch)

all the functions of WM6 intact but if microsofts voice is taken away i find it good because it never works!! need the files or cabs i have them solet me know!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
RE: Office 2007.

Yeah, that would be great and all... but ONLY if it can be integrated without being a space hog. Sounds like bloat-a-rama.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] darkjedi:
You have 256MB of ROM, plus 8gigs on the hard drive, what's to complain?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] LTxda:
As you requested, i'm trying to stick to things that have already been done so you can come out with a quick and easy and OPTIMIZED ROM. :-)

- Safe Mode functionality built into the ROM.

- Fix trueVGA...but not sure how much of it has been fixed other than the dialer and a few other things. Not 100% so you may want to wait on this.

- All black ROM that works in both VGA and trueVGA modes? This already exists and may be easily done. Here is an existing one http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=314263&highlight=buttonflo

- Maybe Palm Threader for SMS threading?

- I would like a ROM with this look for my Athena, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=311225 , all files should be available to make it easier on you if you decide to go this route. I really don't care for the today screen look but the phone and comm manager look nice. Just don't like the wallpaper. Needs to be just black without the texture used.

- TouchFlo aka ButtonFlo feature. We discussed this before and it looks like someone already came out with it. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=314031&highlight=buttonflo

- (UPDATED) Touchflo cube + Black magic + VP3G rom + Instructions + links to rom, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=314324&highlight=buttonflo

- GroupSMS (already done on Universal)

- PocketRAR (already done on Universal)

- CallFirewall (already done on Universal)

- WMStorage (already done on Wizard and others)

- PPCPimBackup (already done on Wizard)

- SMS Backup (already done on Wizard)

- Synchrotime (already done on Wizard)

- Task Manager 2.7 w/Registry Editor (done on Wizard)

- Please put Adobe Reader. Had problems reading PDF's with others.

- Pocket Screen Capture (done on Wizard)

- Internet Calling utility (done on Universal & Hermes) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=299950

- JetCet Print since it wasn't in the latest ROM with WM6

- WM6 Remote Desktop

- Office 2k7 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote)

Can't think of anything else that already exists that we may want.

Edit: Is it possible to "modify" Magic Button to integrate better into the new shading on WM6?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] ahmadfarid:
Beside all of the above postings..can i suggest one ?

Garmin Mobile XT..it is in Dopod U1000 (thailand) ROM. Maybe somebody from Thailand could dump the cab..:)

thanks..
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Rougenator:
If possible there shout be a Vanilla Rom and a full Rom, that's how the did it in the Hermes section.

Also there is a new Kaiser HTC Home plugin (Also VGA) and remade by some people: Look at this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=316107&page=2

Beautifull right?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] spzero:
this makes sense and i hate the built in voice speed diall really annoying so can we remove on the vanilla version please. also just a big thank you olipro for your services
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] beginner:
Olipro: i am interested to do some cooking in order to have Blackberry connect running (change the version). For other rooms it was due modificating the nbf file, but for HTC 7500 I don't know how to do. I tested the tool HTC64 but says not sure about the result due it was for UNIVERSAL.

I have been using nbextract to obtain the .nb files. Where I can change the version of the operative system -I mean it is in the G4 or where?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
Ditto on both comments!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] apd:
No Warez - come on guys let's not get the site into trouble.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] LTxda:
YES! Please remote the built in dialer. I don't know anyone that uses it.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
I use it! Because I drive and I use a BT adapter, PLUS I am italian and I would like to use a voice system having in MY language my contacts.

I record my contacts and I call using voice dial
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] adamelphick:
Personally i prefer Cyberon Voice Commander to MS Voice Command - seems to recognise me better!

I think the Office 2007 updates should be in there, plus WM Storage, plus jetware extensions (although not sure how youd handle registration), oh and WiFiFoFum would be cool to fine hotspots.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] eagle 1:
I think ltxda's list is very good starting point. (other than I don't care about MvrTrue Vga) on my Universal I really only used with IE or Opera and now with their new scaling options, I really don't need true vga or its inherent issues.

I would also prefer MS Voice Command, and have cyberon completed removed or as an addon. I like MS voice command even better than the complete cyberon.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
I will suggest to have a a look of to the new HTC_USA x7501 rom, may be it has new DLLs and faster drivers..
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] spoonter:
HTC Kaiser add-ins

Here's my request -

The new HTC add-ins from HTC Kaiser:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=316107

HTC Homeplug with additional tab

HTC 3G Dialpad with Video call

HTC 9 button commanager

Also, would be nice if it including the fixed HTC Audio Manager with correct track order (doe anyone know if this is available yet?)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] TwoPlus1:
VGA QVGA!

Hi Oli great work you've been doing already. I'd love to see the today screen in VGA so I can finally have all my info on one page without scroll but I'd like a way to set individual programs to default to QVGA when I start them

ie. a sat nav program such as iGo8 which I'd have to install afterwards.

Martyn
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] leoni1980:
That's a good idea.

I know that to switch to true VGA mode requires a restart but there has to be a workaround if it's just the today screen we're viewing in a VGA 'style'.

I'd also like the sidebars and softkeys to be VGA size on all apps, been looking for a hack for this but to no avail.....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
It's impossible to get it right for everyone...

Oh I'm so feeling this **** that Rougenatour mentioned here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=316107&page=2

& agree with almot all that ltxda mentioned too.

Personally speaking though, vanilla all the way with Black theme and VGA Kaiser plug-ins all the way.

Definately a clean and fast ROM which is stable.

We all use different apps to do the same things, so there will be no universal ROM to make us all happy.

My own list of software has no conflicts on my device and I like it that way..but if we integrate too many apps into the ROM, we're removing the choice of apps for others.

So my suggestion would be once again for a clean vanilla Black ROM with Touch-Flo appearance and theme and to replace the default apps that come standard in WM6 but don't work as well as certain other freeware apps...like in ltxda's list...but not too many...only universally necessary apps for all.

I currently use Spb Shell but would rather the Touch-Flo/Kaiser VGA Black interface as standard. I don't mind True VGA, but don't want the associated problems of incompatibility, so I'd rather stick with QVGA until this is resolved accross the entire O/S.

Sorry to go on peeps but that's why vanilla is best...it will suit most, but preferably with tested VGA compatible .cabs available so we can incorporate which ones we want into the extended ROM to customise our individual devices the way we like it.:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Madhadder:
Don't really care what you add to the standard WM6 ROM, Just get rid of all the extra crap thats in it

and give us some more room..

Delete all sample pics, movies and sounds

Remove all Themes execpt for say the WM6 Default (Not Green)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
Agree, let's keep this one clean with minimal "enhancements" that some will love and others not.

The one area where I am torn is support for RealVGA. I'd really, really like to see what could be done in making it more functional. A few people aren't for that, but it could always be toggled off. This seems like an issue that would be best addressed at the ROM level, not just a particular app. So I continue to vote for that as a priority.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] LTxda:
Agreed....100000%. :-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] boinger66:
about palm sms threader... i suggest you leave it out... as its a one way install ...

you cant uninstall it... only by hard reset ...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] LTxda:
Agreed as well. Leave out anything that we can install ourselves for the Vanilla release. Just optimize the hell out of the release so it runs smoothly. :-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] adamelphick:
Am I right in saying we have 256MB ROM? So surely the way to go with a ROM is LOAD IT UP with as many 'useful' programs as possible? Leave out 'enhancements' that are not universally liked from mobile operators, apart from the odd one that we all agree is good.

After all leaving stuff out of the ROM wont give us any more RAM!! So we might as well fill it up! As long as it is PROGRAMS then they wont be running all the time and slow the machine down. Then if, and when, we want to add enhancements that run in the background thats up to us individually.

Personally I would like to have a lot more available 'built in' programs just in case I want to use them, and if there are a few I dont use or need I wont mind as they are not taking any memory up that is useful... comments please as I am sure we are nearing a first release from one of the ROM cooking Gods out there!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Pyrofer:
Can one of the smart guys just clear this up, does cooking a smaller ROM leave more storage space or is the whole 256meg reserved no matter whats in it?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Tadeusz:
The cleaner the better

I agree with others voting for vanilla. Most of additions can be added according to end user needs. Only few apps should be on board, like Internet Sharing, Remote Desktop, HTC multimedia additions (Tuch), USB HDD or the other one, app for camera and so on. ALso Office 2007 (OneNote for me is most important), seems to be accepted by all.

VoiP is very strange case. In Uni, they did not solved all problems. It is not able to work with each and every SIP server, so one provider is good, the other is not working with UNI. I do not know if this ROM for HTC7500 has this solved once and for all, but at least we should try.

Most of other apps can by installed from cabs. The only cab I am looking for is for Windows Live package for WM6. Lackily I do have it on my Uni, but if not then I do not know were to get tha cab from.

In particular, Voice dialing is very special. Some prefer MS VD, the others need Cyberion VD. Most of non English need Cyberion, so lets leave it to be installed from cab.

The same with maps.

Hopefuly, thanks to our coders here there will be properly prepared WM6 for HTC7500 soon. Thanks for your great work.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Midget_1990:
at this time smaller rom =/= more storage :(
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
It that case, I would say load it up and try to keep the windows folder as clean as possible.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] edeplano:
Agreed as long as the larger registry does not slow things down.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
But... the extras can also create other problems, not just storage but also compatibility. I still vote to keep it lean and mean.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Abram:
Why not both then? Lean & mean, optimised for speed and compatibility; then action-packed one (that is comparable with other units). Try one and if you feel like it down-/up- grade as the case may be.

Can I ask a noob question? Will there be a lot of problems upgrading or downgrading, using the sprite "restore after upgrade" option in such a scenario? Or will it have its own problems? I've never tried it before as I've always kept the "never restore after a rom upgrade" rule.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Midget_1990:
everything cooked in a rom goes into the windows folder. when the device first boots things are copied (not moved) to thier right locations, thus the more you cook into a rom the more there will be in the windows folder
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Okay, then I give up I am not sure what I want now. I guess something lean and mean will have to do and we can figure out the rest as we go. Since I just got my X7500 about last Friday and I am looking around for Kitchen so I can start cooking myself.

I have the Hermes as a backup to the Advantage and I am now just getting the hang of this device. It is amazing what you can do we you have a lot of memory, storage, and CPU power. My only concerns right now is battery and a good case.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Olipro:
It's all DiscOnChip, the same tools used for the DoC devices can be used for the Athena
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Shoot, if my mind serves me correctly the first time I heard this DOC was when I had the Himalaya and back then I was not doing any real cooking:D. I can can't remember anything pass the Hermes since it is so fresh on mind. I guess I am going to do some reading on the most recent devices that have the Doc and see if I can find a kitchen and utensils to work with. Please feel free to lead me in the directions where I can get great tools and kitchen to work with.

I guess back to drawing board for me, it time to put the Hermes knowledge down and starting learning new and hopefully better things.

Thanks for the info and looking forward to your tools and ROM.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
The best WM6 Rom...

I am testing on my HERMES the new WM6 roms, last tested are Black Satin, Shaps 3.57a and Sleuth 3.0 (full versions)

IMHO Shaps have something more, good appz, fast enought, Touch home screen (6 tabs), 12 buttons comm manager (3g on/off) woip working, DUN, Tweaks to chose and tune performance/memory as you like...

The best rom I ever tested, good example for the best ATHENA rom
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mackaby007:
Providing it's as good as you say sergiopi, I have to agree with you.:)

Lean, Mean speed machine that actually looks as good as it goes.....so a little Black throughout is a must as a default theme and of course vanilla as best as can be.

Maybe we should start up a list of 'Must Haves' apps, with reasons why it's a must. That way all our input should result in the best choice of important apps that should be resident in the ROM.

What do you all think? Start a new thread? Whoever starts a thread will have to maintain and update the first post once it is pretty much universally agreed. That way devs will know for sure which apps are vital to the vanilla ROM.

For example:

1) WM5torage - Why? - Can't rely on Active sync 100% for large and fast data transfers. Works for some but not for all. For those who don't need it, it's there if you change your mind and takes up very little space and no RAM when not used. Freeware = no leagal issues, right? The ROMs will be freeware too.:)

2) ? Dunno...anything Freeware that does an important Job better than commercial software - I know, like what?

Anyway just an example...but as we can see, it's not that simple. Most...no 99% of my software is NOT freeware, hence my reason for a vanilla ROM with only the best Freeware apps, or better still.....

Total vanilla ROM with a download site for proven .cabs which are 100% compatible with all Athena variants. Unlock your extended ROM and cook that part of your ROM yourself i.e. add the .cabs you want to be permanent to your own ROM.

Any better or alternative suggestions friends?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Madhadder:
Required Software (All Orig. HTC ROM Versions where possible)

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Camera (HTC ROM Ver, unless theirs something better)

Calculator

Core Player (Or TCPMP)

JetPrint

Notes

Quick GPS

SIM Manager

Voice Dial

Phone Program

Make everything else a seperate CAB for each program.

I'd also like to see a ROM that has a VGA hack and all required

BMP/JPG/Skins to use the device in Real VGA Mode. Everything

out now is just crap and incomplete. TrueVGA, OZVGA, and the others

can get ther Res. right, but they are missing all the required Pix thus

icons are missing or don't work which forces the user to hunt thru the forums/internet

for hours to find the correct ones, and sometime they don't even work.

Fix that and you'll have a winner.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Exclude Voice Dial, there are many cabs floating around and that would give PPL a choice on what to use for voice dial. I wished less applications would mean more storage, but I guess we will get there at some point.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] mrvanx:
OK people, so far:

tcpmp 0.81

HTweakC......for the various reg tweaks etc...

the rest is up for debate........GO!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Schaps tools seems to have more options than HTweakC. I am currently using it and it seems to be the only one working well on the Athena. I would load it up since I am not going to get more storage anyway.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] hdbueller:
Where are these tools that you mention,ie "Schaps tools"?

Thanks........Later
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=317070
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] LTxda:
Midget was working on resolving trueVGA screens to display properly. Would like this to be included if at all possible.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] wgary:
YES YES YES YES
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] spzero:
calculator?

why its rubbish use eval instead its scientific and nice and black as i was under the impression we were having a black rom only not any good in vga but the stock one is pathetic must be a better one, eval was on the original xda special edition rom along with loads of other useful stuff and i still use it its grea!!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] duttythroy:
Definitely would be a complete rom
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] spzero:
also

'psShutXP' turn off, soft reset and light off also has screen toggle as program very useful if listeneing to music a lot. 'vbar' from vieka.com as the task manager which shows battery meter and memory in use which are always on display and plenty of user options compared with 'htc xbutton' which was previously suggested. these are invaluable and will be put on my device either way but nice to be built in!!!!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
I think nothing has to be "built in" in a rom except the appz you can't install by yourself. Everything you "build in"....can't be easily removed and if you have compatibility problem with something...

I would suggest to "clean" SHAPS's Rom having this concept in mind, and create the ADD ON pack to empower it
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Since I can't gain the space from the clean ROM, then I would say load it up. A loaded stable ROM is much better than clean one. BTW the current WM6 ROM that we are using right now seems pretty stable.

The question I have for the cooks, will the loaded ROM means we would have less available storage memory?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Agreed, I would add "Acquire Date/Time & TZ info from network". I like that feature because it one less thing for me to do after a hard reset. I am surprise that more cooks (beside vp3G and Faria) has not implement this in their ROMs.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] docraj:
Is this an application or a registry setting? If an app, then where can I get it as I travel a lot and this would be immensely useful.

I know that there is a registry tweak:

HKLM\Software\OEM\PhoneSetting

ShowTimeZonesPage = 1 (dword) OR

HiddenTimesyncPage = 1 OR

ShowNITZPage = 1

But none of the above have worked on Universal (WM5 and WM6) or my current Athena (WM5 and WM6).
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] marka2k:
The WM6 ROM for ATHENA has the Time Zone Page enabled under phone options and it works (traveled to EST from CST)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] spacecat:
does anyone have voice speed dial working under WM6 in the Tmobile Uk ROM?

if so can u give me some advice as its not working for me

i have checked registry and ssdialer.exe is the path under voice command .

dont know what to check next

cheers
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] docraj:
Hi Mark, that is good to know. WOuld you be able to tell me what is the setting name and value (something like the above examples I gave) that is in your registry?

Thanks
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] optimuspt@mac.com:
athena

hi

excuse me my english

my question:

its possible install this rom (hermes) in my x7500 ?

tks and best rgds

J Dias
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] Dwaalspoor98:
NO!!!!!!!! This is not possible!!!!!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] optimuspt@mac.com:
best rom

Tks

J Dias
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] beginner:
but should be possible to use the HERMES windows.nb and flash over the windows.nb of the athena?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
I am not sure what it is yet but I guess I can jump on the Hermes forum and ask about it.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] lpsi2000:
good luck, you more likely will end up with a Big Expensive Brick.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo ROM Development] sergiopi:
I am using the 2.19.707.4 dopod, radio 1.45.00.10 (extrom .101)

OS is 5.2.1437 (Build 17944.0.31)

Nothing really different in term of applications, new office (without ONENOTE and ZIP/FAX viewers) a couple of applications more in HTC homeplug, new dialpad (larger and without big 3d effects) same 7 button commmanager, and it is FASTER, really faster than the older 0.21

I think we have the baseline for the new XDA-DEVS athena ROM;talking about the radio, I've seen in the USA x7501 1.49 radio? Any knowledge? Does it improves GPS in some way?

When I started the installation i've seen TWO times the bootloader screen, it started, showed the progress bar 0%, disconnet, tri-colour screen, progress bar again from 0 to 100%