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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
I got those guys in my sites too. Had one for my G4 that I gave to my wife.

Definitely getting this one!!!

http://www.amazon.com/SUPCASE-Resis...im_107_16?ie=UTF8&refRID=04ZGG5KR47E5DW3G1CAY

Dangit I'm case whoring already!!!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Good idea. That... or read the title and then decide to start a new thread and label it 'Note 5 Anticipated Disaster' or maybe 'Moving to Note 5'... Little creativity can go a long ways ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
So you decided to troll the thread you're saying that myself and others are trolling?! Yeah, okay. What is even your point of commenting in here? Done with you. And because I know you're going to reply, I'm going to just say please don't, in the hopes that you actually don't, but we both know you're going to!!! And if you end up not replying then my statement worked! Now let us move forward amicably. ;)

Well [MENTION=1432911]nique0201[/MENTION] damn, I see what you were talking about. This phone is indeed awesome. I've already gotten over the SD Card deal, but that could be because I've had to do it before when I owned a Nexus and LG G2. This is actually a really great phone. The glass back is scary as heck though. Case will be here tomorrow. Here goes my 2 week test! I'm impressed so far.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] asrebel:
To make a long story short. I tried to switch...twice. Once, I bought it on my own and took it back (I just kept having to compromise on numerous things such as music caching, future battery life, etc.).

The second time my office had an extra one and gave it to me, so I gave it one more chance.

In addition to the deficiencies mentioned in other posts, it also doesn't support MHL. I love Chromecast, Miracast, etc. but it's not always viable. For example, my car uses vaistech accessory (this is an older video, but the most simple explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-i7m3tEUoc&index=3&list=PLR5l7Koe2nPmzsG1d6goIKtlrUhtYYB9s).

This situation doesn't make me happy. In fact, it makes me incredibly disappointed because I'm a long time Note fan (of literally every Note device). I did some research and found some articles from Gartner (and other reputable sources) that report Samsung sales are down (and they are cutting orders from Note 5 and S6 suppliers). The kicker is now iOS is making a huge rebound and Android sales are down as well.

I will say I think Samsung made a big mistake on the Note 5 which is home to many power users. I also believe that unless some other Android manufacturer picks up the slack and creates more differentiation from Apple that we are in serious trouble. Right now many of my co-workers are considering moving to Apple because if they have to utilize a sealed battery and no SD-card they want a product that is supported/updated for years, quick security patches, 128GB version, + they have a local store here to get support / replacement.

I was in one other thread discussing a similar topic (prior to finding out about the MHL issue), and it was closed because some people decided to start trolling. If you have the Note 5 and are happy, kudos! I'm sincerely happy for you. It is a very elegant looking device and I understand that it fits some people's needs, but it just didn't fit for me.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ScorpionKing76:
I'm noticing that each generation they are cutting a little more. I still miss the audio output through the micro USB connection from the note 3.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
In addition to the reasons you stated, the fact that ATT and Verizon have locked down their devices so tightly is another thing that will drive a lot of those customers to Apple (not that ATT and Verizon will care about that). The fact that the iPhones maintain their value so much better than Samsungs is just icing on the cake especially since subsidies have pretty much disappeared.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
I like what you stated regarding the support apple offers. What Samsung doesn't get is apple support their OLDER devices despite having a seal battery and no sd card. I got many friends and coworkers, who were one time Samsung hard core fans...moving to apple. Their reasons? Their 2 year old Samsung device does not have support. I asked them that never stopped them before...their response? Ya well I could switch my battery and buy sd card....now that Samsung and apple doing the same I may as well go to apple for the support. Samsung isn't understanding that!

Heck even with htc....they allow their bootloaders to be unlock, so u have many running to them if they have att or verrizon. No matter which kind of customers, Samsung is loosing them no matter what kind of users they are. I won't be surprise if that is why everyone leaving them. Apple is now copying Android down to the same size. U stay from apple for the size..now they have it. U stay away cause Sammy had sd and battery...ya well now they don't and apple offers far better guarantee update.

Don't even get me started on the depreciation value!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I see what you did, took product x and associated the form factor changes of product y (never mind its like comparing watermelons to bananas), and presto change-o you have flawless logic..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] SamGalNote4:
I feel you. I just got the promotion t mobile has with getting a free tablet. I didn't want the note 5 either. No SD card. No battery exchange. .. no way. .. hopefully note 7 series... I doubt that they'll change note 6 in those departments. They want to 24/7 spy like Apple has since the first iPhone. ... NSA...AT&T just to name two at the helm. ... anthis that's how they (big brother) keeps tabs on us. .. at night I just take out the battery. ..anyways enough ranting too lol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
Here's a great writeup found on the internet:

"The inspired Pepsi Challenge marketing campaign of the 1980s was my childhood introduction to one of the fundamentals of scientific inquiry: the double-blind experiment. In a world beset with soft drink advertising, how could you really know which soda you liked best? Clearly what made sense was to put prejudice and branding aside, don a blindfold, and focus on pure flavor.

It was one of the greatest marketing coups of all time. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Pepsi steadily gained on Coke in terms of market share. Characters in the ads always picked Pepsi, of course, but so did most people who tried it in real life—the sweeter taste was more appealing. By 1983, Pepsi was outselling Coke in supermarkets, leaving Coke dependent on its larger infrastructure of soda machines and fast food tie-ins to preserve its lead. That was a success in its own right. But even better, Pepsi forced Coke into an infamous business blunder. Faced with eroding market share, Coke began a series of its own internal taste tests aimed at developing a superior product. Thus was born the dread New Coke, a sweeter cola reformulated to best both Pepsi and the classic formulation of Coke in blind taste tests.

The backlash was fast and furious, with over 400,000 letters of complaint pouring in to the company. Despite declining market share, Coke was still by far the market leader over Pepsi—and the company’s millions of loyal customers weren’t looking for a new flavor. Pepsi recorded the fastest year-on-year sales growth in the company’s history during New Coke’s first month, while a consortium of Coca-Cola bottlers decided to sue the company for changing the product."

What Coke forgot to realize was that their existing customers didn't want a sweeter soft drink - that was why they were loyal customers in the first place. And as far as the Pepsi drinkers - well, they already were drinking what they liked and there was no reason to switch to something that was trying to copycat a product they were very happy with.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Except Samsung isn't doing it to copy apple... The removable memory for the hundreth time was not a choice for the new memory controllers... And the removable battery was removed to make way for the new premium design... To see a apple copy look at the HTC Aero9
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
So Note 5 = New Coke :) Except Coke didn't drop the entire Continent of Europe as a market
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
What these brain children can't answer is why is it about copying apple now when it wasn't when Google did it. Because fanboy logic.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
Well, I BELIEVE there is hope for the future . . . (MAYBE we will have good options in the future for 1- Unlocked Bootloaders 2- Expandable Memory and 3- Replaceable Battery)

As an update, I've released the operators that were standing by to take orders on the Itsascamshi sports car and small house for sale. Turns out there were no calls about the house for sale and only three calls inquiring about the Itsascamshi. I take this as a positive sign . . . MAYBE people still realize the benefits of replaceable parts and expansion.

And BTW, those three calls were from high-level managers with Lemon (?) or, well, some company named after a fruit of some kind - if you know what I mean.

So, when the Note 5 came out with no external SD card slot and a non-replaceable battery, I bought (this week) a used Note 4 -- one without a locked boot loader, my third requirement.

And back when the S6 was announced, I promptly bought an S5 for the same reasons.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] naruto.ninjakid:
This was a very nice point. I used to be Samsung all the way. Never considered many other devices. After getting the Note 2 I was hooked. However, after their decision to remove SD Cards/removable batteries I just am not interested in them anymore. My Note 4 has been having serious GPS issues so I sent it in and got a replacement. The new device seems similar so I’m getting a Nexus 6 instead. I always talked about how I could never get a Nexus since there was no removable battery and SD card but now I’m willing. People have always been telling me Nexus's are so smooth so I decided to try them out since i wasn’t missing anything anymore. This just leads loyal customers to trying out other devices. Also I know that a Nexus 6 is not a direct upgrade from the Note 4 but to me it’s more of a side upgrade. At least I gain a bigger screen which I’ve always wanted. Not sure why Samsung stopped at 5.7 inches. These phones lose value way to fast. The phone I bought for $830 is now around $400 so I do feel you about the phones losing value. I’ve learned to never buy them as soon as they come out. Instead wait a little while. The prices will drop accordingly.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Cerv3r:
I took the fall and upgraded/downgraded... I'm keeping the note 5 because it really is an improvement. The lack of SD card is a big deal to me but I'll deal with it. . I like it actually I just wished they would of has 128gb
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] 3pcssuits:
I have both note 4 and the note 5 and needless to say I get better battery with my note 5, it is way nicer and infinitely faster then the note 4 in every way possible. Thought I'd miss the SD card but haven't given it much thought. The note 5 is in every way a better phone.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Not in every way but I'm sure it is a better phone in some ways. Can live without interchangeable battery but with Gear VR, 4k videos, and all the other local file I've come to depend on, I just can't be without an SD card while only being limited to 64gb... That and I've really come to cherish my IR blaster. Sucks because I'd really like to upgrade. Can't believe I'm actually considering phones outside note line for next purchase; didn't see this coming.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] alphahere:
Well it looks like some folks were correct about Note 5.

Samsung Profit Rises as Chips Offset Smartphone Weakness

Maybe Samsung will get back to basics after messing up the Note 5.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Get back to the basics as in not focusing on cell phones and putting money in chipsets and televisions?

Further more this isn't just about removable batteries and SD cards, its a direct effect of competition with Apple. Not to mention one phone won't save them. The consensus by most people here is that the Note 4 at least by hardware design is what everyone in the Note 4 XDA thread wants and thinks is apparently perfect, but that phone did not create a profit margin. Most of the sales stability in the mobile division is from cheaper handsets.

Then look at the time frames considered, over all the article is addressing this last fiscal year, well what phones have been in a better position to affect profit margins over the past year? It wasnt the Note 5 because it was released August 21st 2015, the 3rd quarter sales are from June to September so it realistically couldn't put that much of a dent in this years profit margin. It seems a bit silly to think the note 5 will show up in the third quarter and turn everything around.

You remove apple from the picture and look at the numbers, Samsung is beating out every other android OEM. You want to spin this article as anti Note 5 but truthfully even if the Note 5 was a block buster we won't really see its effect until well into next year.

Lastly some of guys will justify your opinion based on the numbers of units sold or their profit margin but you are leaving out so many factors, look at HTC, they make fairly decent devices minus some short comings (camera for one) but constantly fail turn a profit. Does that mean their phones suck? Or does that mean that competition is so stiff they are having a hard time finding a footing in the mobile market.

You know what the majority of consumers will do? They will look to reviews and make their decision.. Not try to make some loose connection between is it a good phone based on how well Samsung did in the market last year. This is confirmation bias if I have ever seen it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
Well perhaps the Note 5 will just amplify the downturn for Samsung that is occurring after the same issues (No Expandable Memory and No Replaceable Battery) that came out with the S6 earlier this year. And maybe (HOPEFULLY, anyway in my view), some of the downturn for Samsung is a result of their eliminating these features on their flagships. I say HOPEFULLY because in my mind if that is so, maybe it will cause a turnaround in their policies if they can listen to their customers.

Personally, I would never pay an additional $100 for a cute curved edge (S6 Edge), but would gladly pay the extra for useful features like Expandable Memory and Replaceable Battery. . .
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
For expandable memory and a removable battery I would buy a cheaper phone. Not a hundred dollars more..

Not to mention you are not taking into account two huge factors, one being Samsung still leads android sales by a large margin, and every year that Apples sales increase, Samsung and every android OEMs profits drops.. Not to mention what would the Samsung profit slide look like without the August release of the Note 5.

While I could care less who buys what phone and Im not fanboy for any one brand what XDA folks need to understand is that they are a minority in the grand scheme of things and batteries and sd cards isn't about to break any oem.. If that is the one thing keeping you a float then you have a lot more problems.

In addition you are actually hoping the sales drop is because of SD cards, so in turn they will fix it. That seems like backwards logic.. If the sales drop isnt because of the sd cards then your leg in the fight is gone because you are trying to fix what isn't broken because a small subset of users is unhappy.

You can't make everyone happy all the time and in most cases the unhappy ones are the most vocal.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] @rbiter:
Doesn't hurt to include these features. Especially as card. If you don't want sd card functionality, then don't use it. Battery is a different issue. Especially since phones are so capable, my phone habits might change from 1-2 phones a year to 1-2 every 2 years. They're just so capable now, OEM's would be wise to focus more on software updates and less customization would help. I for one would buy some of the customizations on the market so I could have an android OS that is closer to the metal. Swappable batteries are an auxiliary source of income. I am less inclined to buy the latest and greatest these days. Case and point, I bought another gnote4. I also have 4 batteries in total for them. OEM's are so focused on new phones when they could exploit accessories sales for each generation of phone. One only need to look at the apple ecosystem to see that apple and many 3rd party vendors benefit from basically selling the same design every two years. Also Android has matured enough they need to start coming out with more desktop capable hardware like the poorly supported and lacking lapdock Motorola experimented with.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Are you assuming they don't looking at accessory sales? That would be a drastic short sight on a company that big. Look at it from another perspective. They end up making X number of batteries for a device but given the total number of sells for that battery as a standalone end up not turning a profit because they don't sell enough of said accessory to cover manufacturing and shipping costs to continue to produce that battery. Not to mention the people that buy from off brand resellers. So what incentive does this company have to continue selling this battery that is not turning a profit?

The SD card is a matter of the chip used in the phone. Not some hip fire design change.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] alphahere:
I bet the Note 6 will have an SD card but probably won't have a removable battery. Time will tell. I don't mind buying a disposable phone at all but if that is the only option then nexus brand is the disposable phone I want.

My one cent, which is worth less than a cent.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] alphahere:
One last point. A company the size of samsung, lg, etc. should be able to produce a phone that consumers want with the features that consumers want. It appears that everyone has taken the apple road - take it or leave it. I thought the consumer society was about choice. Note much of a choice if all the phones are the same expect for the brand. Whatever.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
+1
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
You assume because you don't want it no one wants it. That is a little ego centric. There are plenty of choices but everyone isn't complaining about choices. They are complaining about one phone from one manufacturer that didn't have exactly the features they want..

Don't act like you don't have choices, let's be realistic. The hilarious thing is on one side folks get on Samsung because they make too many phones which is part of the reason they have such a hard time supporting them for a longer period. Now you got people saying they don't have enough choices. -___-

I mean don't you wonder why so many car look a like now? The consumer market isn't about product diversity. It's about emulation and confusion. Not saying it's right but it seems silly wonder why everyone takes parts from apple. You have the top selling mobile company and you think it's unintelligent to take cues from them?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
HUM M M M M . . . All serious-ness aside . . .

Following the logic of eliminating expandable memory and replaceable batteries to expand sales and market share -- there is the obvious omission of NOT yet offering a bendable device to complete the copycat sales strategy . . .

Perhaps Samsung should provide an on-line suggestion box?

SERIOUSLY . . . .
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] alphahere:
I was not talking about any phone model or company. I was talking about the market in general. The trend is clear no replaceable batteries and less SD card options. It is interesting that SD cards are making a come back. I wonder why? Anyway your point is understood and that was a very good point about cars. However, cars are not throw away devices usually.

If the device is a throw away device the price should reflect that. Anyway it is good that not all options are eliminated yet but this does not look good for the long term. I noticed that even simple things like wireless mouses and wireless keyboards don't have removable batteries on some models. Don't mention Bluetooth speakers.

I don't have a problem at all with no SD card and no replaceable battery. However, I will never buy a phone with a locked bootloader again! That is the limit for me. Actually I have a nexus 6 now. Nice phone and at a great price currently.

Magic command "fastboot oem unlock"!

The land fill here is full please can we put a dump in your area ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GF Geek:
Our land fills are rapidly getting to the overflow stage here too . . .

SO, I'm thinking the new dumps DO NEED to be placed IN THE BACK YARDS of those who keep pushing for disposable devices . . . . AND, now Verizon/Apple are advertising getting a new iPhone every year (or sooner) whenever a new device comes out! It's a lifetime signup plan being offered --

What would be the effect on the global environment if every cell phone owner signed up for this new plan?????
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Sd cards are making a comback? How so? What devices that used to not have sd cards have them now? When was the perceived shift into no sd card land?

ALSO you have me quoted in your previous post as saying "I don't mind throwaway devices as long as they are priced accordingly". I don't know if it's a glitch or what but I did not type that btw...

You responded an hour after my last edit to that post in case you don't believe me

---------- Post added at 09:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 AM ----------

What so many people dont realize is that in lieu of a suggestion box, they are getting real time usage matrices from the fact that unless you opt out you are pumping diagnostic and usage data back to Samsung. How many consumers do you think actually opt out of that data being sent?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
For some reason the majority of XDA users seem to think they are the majority of the market, that they know what's best in sales and marketing, and that OEMs are out to run their company's bankrupt just do be a pain in the XDA users back.... Any change Samsung or any OEM makes it has invested millions into researching why this change should be profitable. And since none of you manage or make the deciding decisions in multi billion dollar company's its so rediciouls to see comments such as "when sells bottom out they'll wish they kept SD cards" or "Samsung only removed the *insert complaint here* to be like apple" Samsung is using its billion dollars worth of insight and inter and R&D to make the best phone to put it in a position to be profitable Bottom line!! Will they always be profitable? No... But its not because the 30% of XDA users who make up the 1% of total sales (if that) won't buy the phones... That also won't make them re add a feature... If SD cards come back it won't be because ppl complained even though ppl will swear that it is.. But it will be because they go the SD slot compatible with the newest memory controllers. And if Samsung wants to keep the build premium batteries may never come back.