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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
My question is how do you quantify who it is or isn't advertised to? Sorry but SD cards and batteries are not what makes this a Note, if you think so you are are not paying attention and definitely not using your device to its fullest potential.

You know what makes the Note a Note for me. The software, the ability to share (copy and paste) content between apps without having to save it to your device. Multiwindow so I can check my calendar while cramming Notes into S-note or Keep. Being able to use the 8 directional mic in meetings. The pen! I love then pen and the person saying cram a pen in an s3 would be a waste because the lack of screen real estate. Larger than average battery, etc etc..

Sounds like what everyone here wants is a Nexus 6, with sdcard and removable battery and maybe a stylus. Screw the software because TW completely sucks right (see: Hive Mind).

Hell my company doesnt even allow you to get a phone with a removable battery or SD card for your company phone and these "business oriented professionals" seem to be doing just fine. There are some people with very valid needs as far as needing large databases of files on the fly that is easily supported by having an SD card but for the people griping about not having a signal in Walmart.. Are you kidding me? Not even about not having a signal but griping that it drops to 3G.. Oh lord, not 3G.. Frankly I find 3G/HSPA+ on Tmo has better through put and less congestion since most people dont think to manually switch down from 4GLTE. Then lets talk about music, so I have a CM nandroid that is 2gb, I have a TW nandroid that is 6-7gb, a spare TW zip for whatever ROM I am on and I still have 8gb left for music, how much music do you need?

Im not saying SDcards shouldn't be put in phones but you dont really help your argument when one of the discussion points is "dead spots on my road trips". Ive been doing it for years, its really not that hard to cope.

Hey if you work in a basement and you cant get around not having a signal switch to a CDMA carrier.. GSM won't ever cut it.

There is no one device that does everything, if we arent here complaining about what the phone that half of you will buy any way doesn't have, we will be complaining about why can't we updates sooner.

Here is an idea, be happy Sammy dropped this mediocre update to the Note line, now you can save some duckets and keep the Note 4.

Also could someone please explain the logic behind the Apple Sammy comparison? Is it just because the depth of the argument can only get you as far the years old lawsuit situation or is there some concrete trends that show sammy makes decision on battery/sdcard based on what apple is doing..? Please consider other OEMs have already made the same decisions yet no one forces this Apple comparison?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Samsung brought the Apple comparisons on itself by always smearing Apple in their commercials. So when Samsung does the same as Apple and Apple is kicking their asses financially then the comparisons are valid. Just last year with the launch of the S5 Samsung had their don't be a wall hugger smear campaign yet meekly does the same as Apple and seals their battery not even a year later.

For a lot of us, its not really about saving money but getting our money's worth. Taking away 3 desirable options for a pretty back plate and then wanting more to charge more isn't it. If the LG G4 Pro has want we want then we'll spend our money on it. I think most of us are beyond wanting the newest device just because its new and shiny and pretty. It has to be clearly better than what we have.

Samsung profits have declined for 7 quarters in a row because they no longer know their customers. Just ask all the European note owners how they feel.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
So follow on question, are you saying that in their advertisements they were touting the ability to swap batteries or were they touting the the software optimizations and larger than average battery capacity? I can't speak for the new 6+ but a 5s/6 doesnt hold a light to my Note 4 without having to swap a battery..

Seems a little flaky to be like "We have better battery life*"

*Because you can switch your battery..

That seems like a workaround most people shouldnt have to deal with. Seal the battery in all day, just make it last all day without using any additional software.. Maybe thats how I interpreted their campaign. In any of these commercial are there people being shown swapping batteries? Im not asking to be an arse I am asking because I havent had cable for the last 8 years and dont watch commercials if I can help it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Yes, they were bragging on the ability to switch batteries. They also used the power saving mode which isn't even mentioned anymore anywhere. Showed someone changing batteries in the commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9UhtTRM1Q
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
So is there a Note specific wall hugger commercial? I mean the battery life between a s5 and a Note 4 is night and day?

A note 4 commercial about battery that doesn't mention swapping batters and does mention power save mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o85Y4XfBUuQ
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pierrekid:
Excludes IR blaster, drops battery capacity, removes ability to switch battery, removes ability to add personal storage ( I personally have 87 gigs of high quality video and documents for work. I don't want to stream my own content or risk low network coverage during a business meeting where I need my content now, not later), excludes gear VR support, limits capacity to only 32 and 64 of internal, drops Europe as a note 5 carrier, adds ancient BlackBerry Esq attachment.... Are you joking?

How this is an upgrade blows my mind. I don't really care much about the battery but no SD card? Seriously?

You know its bad when the first 5 threads in the note 5 forum complain about limited features and reasons for going with a note 4 instead.

Put these two phones next to each other, hide the release date/ model and list the features of each phone. I guarantee 9/10 people on the street would assume that the note 4 was the upgrade to the note 5 :/. ( would be a really cool social experiment to show Samsung what people really think)

You are delirious if you can look at this list and not ask at least one " why would you do that?"
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] speedy1979:
My suspicion is that this is an experiment on the part of Samsung, to see what sells.

As for what people think, most people aren't technology nerds like you, me and almost all of Xda-developers user base. Many customers don't even know what expandable storage is (seriously I have heard people confuse a micro sd card with a sim card). Most people will see a shiner, prettier device with a giant screen and that's it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jutaejrtouch:
64gb S6 Edge with 128gb micro sd. My Note 5 will have the same setup.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pierrekid:
Have fun with your note 5 looking like its taking a dump all the time. I'll stick with my note 4 and with same 128gb and no peripheral crap hanging from it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] darekz:
Unfortunately this is not "pocketable" setup. Using OTG cable I'm connecting my hard drive with video files . There is quite few usb/micro usb drives on the market but it is not convinient as large micro sd card which doesn't need to be "unmounted " before you put phone back into pocket
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jutaejrtouch:
That's the spirit buddy!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tommason1968:
I played with one briefly today at best buy. While I didn't spend a bunch of time with it, it does operate very smoothly. The S-pen had a nice metal finish to it. I'll get it next week what the hell.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] joshuah22a:
LG what's up? You have a niche market here to fill and I'll gladly wait in line for it!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Misterjunky:
re: 128gb micro sd

If your not very careful that external 128gb dongle will mess up your note 4's charging port unless

you plug it in very rarely. The more often you have the dongle plugged into the phone the chances

for bumping it into something and messing up the phone's charging port increases significantly.

Good luck,

Have a great day!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] CheesyNutz:
guess you shoved your foot in your moth on this ... there is no 128 gig option
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jutaejrtouch:
Thanks for the info.... It's held up 10 months for my Note 4 and 5 months for my S6 so far.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
We are all so happy this works for you! But two things here.... If I wanted an iPhone POS, I wouldn't be here. Second... Until providers start to offer free unlimited data, that whole cloud thing isn't gonna work for everyone.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] neofreek01:
My main issue with them taking the SD card away is android m is finally focused on giving back full use of SD card it makes no sense to take it away...in fact I would b surprised if one of the nexus or both dont have SD cards this time around...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
Flagship = Front Runner

People like myself can calm all the way down if we just not think of the 5 as a flagship device. The Note 5 is the "Next Thing" not the "Next Big Thing". Samsung's new tablets have been gutted as well. ...and they are working on a Snapdragon 808 flip phone.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tommason1968:
I bet that Samsung will bring back the SD card for the note 6
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] md1008:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Gala...ms-the-Note-4-despite-smaller-battery_id72735

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I am not much of a TW person, and the fact that s6 doesn't have any AOSP/CM/slim etc roms is probably my biggest disappointment.

Probably my dream phone would be a Note 5 GPE. That will never happen GPE is unfortunately dead. I loved having m8 GPE
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Got my note5 and love it

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Well maybe the bone to pick is with the carrier not offering unlimited data which is a just a way for them to generate profit and not with Samsung moving toward the future. But nonetheless like I said and Samsung is clearly saying get with it or get lost... I promise they won't go out of business

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They're bringing it back but it's going to be severely crippled... the SD card will be encrypted and only work on the device you won't be able to pop it out and move it around like before.... Google has realized how unsafe SD cards are and that's why most tech places are getting away from them. To big of a liability. ... so yeah android market is going to add it back but you guys could just as easily get the bigger storage option.... and 128 gig is coming out just "not at launch"
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Veezy:
Forgive my ignorance on the topic, but outside the gig of RAM, the 64-bit processor, the 5MP front facing camera, and the new form factor, is there anything objectively better about the N5 that I won't be able to do by flashing over a custom rom that bites the features from the new version of TW? I hope I don't sound stupid, but I, quite literally, cannot see anything that jumps out at me as a significant reason to swap devices. I'd love to be wrong, mind you, as I'm a huge fan of the Note series, but the 5 just seems really unimpressive compared to the jump from the 2-3 and even the 3-4.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Better battery life smaller and lighter form factor.. spring loaded spen, much improved rear camera. And just a few newer features
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] DPMAce:
Yeah note 5 sucks. First time I have ever not been excited about a new note.

Almost none of the reviews about the note 5 have any positive predictions about it's sales.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ThC23:
What's the 64 bit processor supposed to help with? I agree with you
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] neofreek01:
Much improved camera its the same 16 mwgapixel sony/samsung sensor the only improvements are software and we will port it all over to note 4 anyway
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] neofreek01:
Better battery life....lol.lol.lol...what a joke sorry if its anything like s6 the battery life blows
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
It's definitely better battery life than my note 4 was... comparing stock to stock.... and from all the test on every site it's been confirmed. It's so funny how much you guys just wanna hate this phone. Just don't get it if you don't want it.. why try to have everyone else hate it or spend your days batching about it. Plenty of phones have been announced... funny thing is Samsung sells million on millions of smartphones a year while you all sell none... but they're making the mistakes and the joke of hardware.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
Let's see how the Note 5 sells. That will be the true test. Considering Samsung didn't think the phone was worthy enough to sell across the pond makes me wonder just what is up with this device. Samsung, loosing money from a huge market? Why? Why would they do that?

Why would a company NOT want to make money? What dirty little secret does the Note 5 hold that Samsung knew they'd never get approval for to sell in Europe? :eek: They really made sure to lock that puppy down... No peeking at the internals.... Next years headline:

NOTE 5 SCANDAL ROCKS SAMSUNG
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I'm selling Samsung branded tin hats.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Probably more to do with construction constraints. They rushed the release to beat apple and probably didn't have the production necessary yet... or the correct bands for over there.. they will eventually release it there. Just not at launch
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
You're gonna need them! I just realized.... If you arrange the letters in SAMSUNG just right you get... Illuminati!!!:p Okay but you do get NSA SMUG

That proves it... On another note. A NYC news station posted this story today:

DONALD TRUMP'S MOMENTUM GROWS IN NORTH CAROLINA, BUT SURPRISE CANDIDATE DEEZ NUTS MAKES POLL

http://abc7ny.com/politics/trumps-momentum-grows-in-north-carolina-but-surprise-candidate-makes-poll/947241/
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
Lol why not wait for a better color? I'm sure you didn't get the gold or new silver colors. They are way too sleek. I might be getting the note 5 after thinking it over, but it will have to be the color I WANT...and thats Gold note 5. Im going to throw a skin on the back anyways but love the golden bezels and front. Tmobile only has white and black. Im not down with tht
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
After reading the Note5 forums I have no doubt I'll stick with my Note 4 for a while.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
What over there made you change your mind?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
Ooff man. I just noticed that the moto x pure only has a 1.8ghz snapdragon 808 hexacore. Like my note 4 probably faster than it lol. The note 5 is a beast right now with the exynoz
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] DPMAce:
Many of us on this thread are note fan boys, I am one of the biggest note fan boys.

But the note 5 is not a true note or a true android phone to me.

Android was about affordability, usability sensibility, and ability to customize, not about

trying to copy crapple. Don't become an isheep!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I'm probably the biggest fan boy around... I've literally had every single s and note phone.. every single g1- G4 I remember when the processors was called humming birds lol. I just know this is forward progression.... I have a article for you guys to read... I'll post it when I can I find

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http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ther-companies-getting-rid-microsd-cards.html
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] DPMAce:
To me, that article is crapple trickery. Cloud requires Internet, and Internet is more expensive and less reliable than us just storing everything on our SD cards.

I remember when people told me the note 1 would never sell, that it was way too big.

I was one of the very first to order one. This was when Samsung was the trend setter, not the

trend follower.

Nique you seem like an intelligent person, so don't become an isheep!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
Which Way Ya Headed ???

Yeah.. You're "Armed" With Adaptation... :cool:

But that's the whole point...

You should not HAVE TO carry ANY extra GADGETS to get the same productivity our Note 4's give us now...

You don't provide consumers with a SMALLER Battery ( Sealed in a Tomb no less ) in your 2015 Note 5 than the 2014 Note 4 had.

You don't take away the IR Blaster ( I don't care how many people use it.. 100 or 100,000 ) for no good reason.

You don't take away External Storage.. you adapt you new SoC to it..

You DON'T copy Apple...

You've BOWED DOWN TO APPLE'S WAYS SAMSUNG.. :crying:

And It Will Be The Death Of You.. as the next few years pass... :cool:

If the IPhone had a stylus... you'd have NOTHING.. because that's about all your Note 5 has to stand on at this point.. and to call what should have been the *Real* Note 5 with a Curved Screen a S6+... is an INSULT to the Note Name..

And you BURNED all those that just spent $700.00 to $800.00 on the S6.. and INSULTED them as well by giving the S6+ more features than the S6 they bought not even 90 days ago...

What The Hell Has Happened To You Samsung ??? :cool:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I do agree it should be a note 5 edge and not a damn s6+ it's was terrible choosing between spen or edge..... but as long as the battery is better life I try not to get caught up on the mah... I'd maybe it's not so bad for me because I had my phone stolen about 2 years ago and several since then yes I've had a 64 gig card in my phone but it was only to carry things in passing like pics I had just taken or music I had just downloaded and not uploaded yet.... to me personally there's comfort knowing I won't lose all the pics of my daughter should I ever lose my phone like I did for my deceased grand parents (minus the ones I had sent to others via email or social media) but still lost lots of memories... I have WiFi at home and work both fast enough to stream any song.. and not to mention unlimited lte... but I see that that's just my life and my solutions aren't for everyone... nonetheless I've been living with mine for 3 days now and it's definitely a upgrade much faster sharper brighter screen seems like the color reproduction is better front cam is much better... despite pal saying same cam mine Def out performs my note... I'm not a fan of some of the TouchWiz features missing..like continues scroll in the app tray... and for some reason they removed the uveitis detector... but those are things I maybe used 8 times I had my note 4.. so yeah I want everything and then some just in case but I've never designed a phone and I'm sure there's reason why it happened... pluses were the same people that complained about plastic phones now we get what we asked for and we want to go back to non premium builds
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
It's hilarious how you cats keep bringing up apple.

Lord it's like the dudes that complain about their favorite band because they went "mainstream".

How many times does it have to be pointed out that Samsung wasn't the first OEM to go this route. Like give me a break.

Also gotta love the rhetoric of "this isn't a true android phone". Such a subjective statement, as an avid Linux nerd a Linux box is a Linux box is a Linux box.. Doesn't matter what flavor/distro you are using. No matter how open or locked down it is..

Its funny some of you are living in this fantasy world where multimillion dollar companies surf through the minority of android elitists in XDA combing through thread after thread for ways to make YOU happy...

Its an android phone, just not the one for everyone. Android is about choice. And there are many choices.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Motorola's focus is life. Trust me, they will have that thing tuned to be fast. Note 4 has faster clock but is still laggy compared to aosp because of TW.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
Yes But...

Why Not A "Note Edge" ?... :cool:

The only reason I can think of is, there is no room for a S-Pen silo in the framework of an Edge Phone... :confused:

Premium vs Plastic...

That's another reason I think the Note 4 is the last "Great" device Samsung is going to make on the high-end side of things.. The Metal Rim around the Note 4's shell gives it that Premium feel.. ( Just pick up a Note 3 in one hand and a Note 4 in the other ) Without sacrificing all the losses this 180 Degree change of direction the new set of devices bring.

IMO.. The Note 4 Is Perfect.. and there are several ROM's on XDA ( CM and TW.. ) that make the complaint of Lag a Moot Point.. :cool:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sino8r:
Apple apple apple! Hehehe! I told ya alot of folks feel like it's an apple clone. May have a lot to do when we were speaking earlier about the lawsuits years ago but it still leaves an impression on most users. Android is about choice and we all agree about that. Why Samsung is taking some away just for looks is beyond my comprehension. We are all techs here. Most of us on xda work in the IT field in some form or fashion. We are the minority. Most folks will probably buy this phone without thinking of memory cards or batteries. But you have to remember something that samsung hasn't either. We are the ones who give the phone recommendations to customers, write tech blogs/articles/reviews online, work in the business tech dept. and order the company phones, give friends and family our opinions on what new phone is best. We do matter more than you think... This isn't about a sense of self-importance. It's about the sales and future of Samsung and possibly (more importantly) their reputation. I guess we'll still have to see the hard facts when sales figures are revealed but I imagine they will be lower than what samsung expected.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
Lol dayumn "On One" lmao.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
ROMs to fix a phone that doesn't perform well out the box isn't really a good way of doing business. It also isn't a feasible option for the majority of consumers.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Samsung's decision is obviously profit (not customer) driven. But a company has to know their customer for profits to roll in. Given Samsungs dismal performance over the last 7 quarters they either don't know their customers or the market. Fortunately, the cell phone industry isn't a monopoly and we have alternatives. The note series is no longer the only one with a bigger screen and I don't really care about the stylus so I have plenty of choices. Hopefully the rumored LG G4 Pro has a stylus for those wanting one.

The noise about Samsung abandoning their loyal Note customers is real and goes beyond this one site. There have been several mainstream articles on this. Its bigger than some of you believe but in the long run, we'll see who's right.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Awesome phone or not consumer trends change, HTC dropped some well reviewed phones that in comparison to how other HTC devices did, sold well. Yet the company still slid. Thing about it is that Sammy's biggest competition is a company with neither a removable battery nor an sdcard.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Biggest but not the only one Samsung has to worry about. Thing about Apple is that they know their customers and their customers follow them blindly for the most part but Apple's support to their devices is 1000 times better than Samsungs which probably accounts for a lot of their loyalty. Apple has earned their customers loyalty.