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[ZenFone 2 General] Bushcrafter:
Or... Maybe they want "independent" developers do their job for them. +1 :good: Could not have said it better myself!:)
[ZenFone 2 General] Hudrator:
:p

Holy Church of "Updates are crucial for costumers to be happy"

First commandment : you shall not wait to provide the new android version longer then 3 months

Second commandment : you shall not defeat your smartphone with efuse or region lock

Third commandment: you shall not destroy android with your own UI....
[ZenFone 2 General] sirsomething:
Everything you said is true. However, while samsung only makes cellphones, a few bad computers and some TV's, Asus has cellphones, computers, boards, graphicards, etc etc etc and everything needs firmware. I understand they can't only focus on a single phone, thing that isn't their main source on income. That said, they should take a while but they will update our phones. I think galaxy s6 edge doesn't have 5.1 yet and some flagships dont have either. Those chinese companies that release their phones with 5.1 won't optimize their software as well samsung and asus do to their phones so it is not that big of a deal. They won't even keep updating their phones so I don't see great advantage in their phones
[ZenFone 2 General] Nemado:
Very few people install a custom Rom. And when they do, they often get stability issues that no one would tolerate in an official OS. Saying that a manufacturer counts on their buyers to improve their device is pure nonsense.

You should look what's going on for other brands before calling Asus names. I've got a Xiaomi phone, and their flagship is still using 4.4.4. And don't get me started on the bloatware topic. The worst thing is, it doesn't prevent them from selling millions of devices.
[ZenFone 2 General] Hudrator:
But they try to get more and more market shares. And they are at the moment most successfull in regions where the have to deal with a lot more of smaller companies. So if they want to get further, updateing there newest phone is really important. Even for marketing you have to be at the edge.

Take 2 phones, nearly the same specs. Phone 1: Android 5.1, Bootloader unlocked, Root granted, free for development. Phone 2: Android 5.0. Nothing free or nothing offically announced=? For me it would be an easy decision.

Some other things Sammy is produceing,Bluerayplayer, Hometheatersystems,Cameras.,Different Kinds of Receiver....all in deep need for software. And has got more

Here in germany the update for s6 and s6 edge nealy 2 weeks ago.... directly updateing on 5.1.1..... US 2 Weeks before.

It is a big deal when you have all sources, an unlocked bootloader and everything ready right at the launch (by the way: still no trouble with warrenty). If you have a quiet popular device, it's very likely that you will be provided with for example CM for the next years.

Five years ago, that was the only hope to gain major updates for your phone. ^^

Yes, sadly not many people are aware of Costum Roms. The main difference is, that the inital release of that "costum rom" is done the manufacturer himself. Everything inside. So it's an offical(!) release of that "Costum"Rom from the manufacturer! That's a valuable difference.

Regarding MiUi... Take a look at the features and functions.... they don't need to rush with there updates it's nearly everything in MiUi. And from my point of view one of the best ROMs for Android Devices you can find. My old Mi3W is still supported with MiUI 6; Getting an update nearly all 2 weeks.... for almost 2 years now....
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
Updates are important. It's one of the good things about apple - for example, my venerable old iPad 2 is still receiving updates (even going to receive iOS9, although since about iOS7 it perhaps is a double-edged sword to update cos the device gets so slow). Contrast this with my ASUS memo pad 7 ME572CL - only released in autumn last year on 4.4.2, never got 4.4.4 and when it did get 5.0 they botched the update, cancelled it, issued it again but never even bothered for the JP model. That partial 5.0 update in spring seems to be the last for the device - so about 9 months of support at best (less for most people because of staggered regional roll-out). I think it is less important to have the absolute latest version with Android, but only if the rom is stable and bug-free (unlike 5.0 on our Zenfone). Also, as previous posters have pointed out, it does matter in terms of sales and marketing - it will put off potential buyers to read that the device was released with 5.0 and has received no upgrades (they won't know or care that it has received lots of minor updates), especially if they are considering other devices already upgraded or released with newer firmwares.
[ZenFone 2 General] Nemado:
We must not look for the same features in a ROM then, because I really dislike Miui V6. Basically they are pumping every data I put on my phone and send it to their servers. Of course, Google is pumping my data as well, so my personal life is sent in every corner of the world from China to the USA and they both use my internet connection. If you disable these "features", Miui nags you regularly to turn them back on. The V6 they released had half of the features of V5 so yeah, they update it every week to catch up on what we lost. I can't even use V5 because the SMS app crashes whenever I try to autocorrect a word. As for the device itself, on my phone, the rear protective glass protrudes out of the phone. So everytime I put it on a table, the first thing that hits the table is a piece of glass. What kind of engineer would design that ? The glass is broken now, of course, it didn't even hold for 8 month.

From my perspective, when you buy a Miui phone, you buy an average device with an outdated beta software.

My wife has an xperia Z1 compact and she's getting android M later this year while I'm stuck with Kitkat forever on a 9 month old phone. And her phone works. No hotfix every week for what they broke 2 month ago like Miui does.

So dear Zenfone owners, you're not in such a bad predicament.
[ZenFone 2 General] N1XRR:
Well, that's not completely true. Samsung is a massive conglomerate, they make everything from small electronics (phones) to cars (Renault Samsung's) and car parts to jet engines to Earth moving equipment to shipping barges (Samsung Heavy Industries).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
[ZenFone 2 General] Hritik154:
Lol calm down :D
[ZenFone 2 General] N1XRR:
No worries! Just trying to be factual :highfive:
[ZenFone 2 General] Bushcrafter:
Just curious if any of you Asus stock OTA fanboys have ever used CM12.1? :)
[ZenFone 2 General] aziz07:
:silly: Stock Light with GApps Rom. Test CM+GApps for me please? :D I can give you the link for it but you also have to test AUX audio output mA and power without Asus drivers with and without V4A :laugh: Good luck waiting for a 100% stable and fully functional CM.

We already have Xposed, GravityBox, L Speed mod, init.d, Custom Themes, Custom Kernels with Intel KVM Win7/Linux and GPU unlock + tons of governors-I/O schedulers support, Intel Toolchain, Intel SSE and Audio Boost by Asus + Viper4Android, LMT PIE Controls etc

Asus also stated that they are working on a completely 64 Bit Update: [MENTION=438582]Tuanies[/MENTION] The OS is on 32-bit for now. We are working on updating it to x86-64 in the future. I do not have a timeline yet, unfortunately.

http://xdaforums.com/zenfone2/help/x64-native-support-3-8gb-limit-t3154052
[ZenFone 2 General] Hudrator:
I REALLY need to unlock my bootloader at the weekend.....
[ZenFone 2 General] Bushcrafter:
So I take it then you have never used CM12.1?:D
[ZenFone 2 General] aziz07:
hahaha :laugh:

If you carefully read my posts in other threads, I used it for years on all my devices until now, they all had bugs from unresponsive lockscreen (Still happens, I contacted Rom makers like PA, they said its an old bug found in all custom roms and to just slide with 5 fingers lmao even this did not work always) to random freeze/reboots and bootloops ; I have to be honest and say that the most usable custom rom was SlimRom. I had CM12.1 on my G3 a couple months ago and fully optimized with MicroPA GApps, it would boot with 1.9/3Gb Free Ram , guess what? It would freeze at lockscreen more than 4 times a day which is why I upgraded to de-bloated OEM ROM with Aroma.

Can you test it with proofs and screenshots instead of bragging? ;) Don't forget to also test QuickCharge 18W 9V 2A, should be 35-38Min from 0-60%.

Quickcharge had to be manually enabled in CM with custom kernel after a long time of release, a feature already working with Original firmware. My phone started overheating from that kernel, freezing more and more until it wouldn't boot at all. Not falling in the same mistake again.

Here is one link but I am not responsible for your phone as CM workers themeselves affirmed that its too buggy : https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347769400 & Minimal GApps (Only Google Framework and Playstore basically) : http://xdaforums.com/zenfone2/development/gapps-t3161271

So go ahead and post benchmarks/RAM usage Details & Screenshots for us :D

I don't like repeating myself so here is the thread: Post #425 to #428 http://xdaforums.com/zenfone2/development/rom-2-19-40-18-rom-ze551-goodbye-t3144291/page9

I learned my lesson to only use OEM or de-bloated OEM firmwares as they are more strongly tested. :good: Maybe custom rom makers should team up with OEMs to make something even better, faster, more customizable and more reliable?
[ZenFone 2 General] Bushcrafter:
1. I'm not bragging!

2. I do not have to prove anything!

3. Maybe you should read the other posts in this forum and on the Asus forum about all the issues with the latest 2.19.49.22 OTA and all the others for that matter!

4. Your perfect Asus OEM is not so perfect!
[ZenFone 2 General] aziz07:
No ROM is perfect but it is a fact that OEM firmwares are more strongly tested and more stable. So, can you post and inform us about your experience with CM on Zenfone 2? I am talking from years of experience with CM on other device , still remember CM 7.0 release. I learned my lesson and will keep avoiding CM until they are strongly held in the market with big brands. Maybe a video running with a CM build showing all the mentioned above features working will clear things up. Compare apples to apples: RAM usage with Full GApps, SoC Temperature with AIDA64, Cellular Network Signal dB levels, USB Charging Time/mA input with GSam or any other battery app and audio mA output.

p.s: I won't mind some Antutu and Vellamo benchmarks on CM12.1 vs Stock too ;)
[ZenFone 2 General] mp3elv:
so after 3 weeks we are still in the unknown about the big magical OTA update right?, i just hope that the next thing doesnt come with more crap like omlet and so on!.
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
I just want some of the bugs squashed and for full 64bit android support considering zenfone 2 has the processor to support it just needs to be enabled.
[ZenFone 2 General] vegasdiceshooter:
More phones are being released with 5.1.1 (Moto Style) just one of them, I wonder why ASUS isn't updating, but I think I will give up on them and look for a phone that has better support
[ZenFone 2 General] rowbaggie22:
Same here
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
Now remember that there has been 2 updates a month for the last long while this is the first month where there hasn't been so I would hold on
[ZenFone 2 General] ultramag69:
Better support? Mate, ASUS has been exceptional in updates... Any other company seems to take months, I'm still waiting for lollipop on my Samsung Note 10.1 which was listed as receiving it, so quite frankly if you don't like their service then go. I'm betting you will be whinging about how long it takes to be updated on your next device too...

I've never seen a manufacturer update their devices so fast...
[ZenFone 2 General] Hudrator:
[MENTION=679188]ultramag69[/MENTION] Maybe you shouldn't say fast but reliable and constantly. Until 40.22 we were getting nearly every two weeks an update for the Stable Releases That is quiet outstanding.

Remembered me the time i used my Xiaomi Mi3W with MIUI
[ZenFone 2 General] vegasdiceshooter:
The point I was trying to make is that all the new phones are being released with 5.1.1 and ASUS is still trying to patch 5.0, the phone itself is great I don't think ASUS should have released it till they had 5.1.1 ready to go.
[ZenFone 2 General] Level99:
You can't really bank on that. It's extremely difficult to plan for "future releases" of Android. The current drought of updates is probably indicative of them no longer continuing to address issues in the 5.0 branch, putting all the eggs in the 5.1 basket. The device has seen great support so far, more-so than many other manufacturers. After seeing how long it takes for other manufacturers to go from announcing the update to release (think Motorola: they updated their flagships within a week of 5.0 coming out, then took their time to get the updates out for other devices, somewhere in the 8-9 month range), maybe give them some credit and sit tight for a bit.

After all, the devices are functional in every respect. Maybe not perfect or ideal (bloat, battery life, etc), but they work and work incredibly well for the price point. When a company releases a device, it makes zero monetary sense to postpone the date on market simply because it doesn't have the shiniest and newest OS in the lot. Lots of bugs or physical defects, that would be good reasoning. And as said, they did update to fix a lot of issues that were present at launch.

At least we have fewer roadblocks than carrier-branded or contract phones :laugh:
[ZenFone 2 General] mp3elv:
Anynone knows the sales figures for the zenfone 2 in America? and global?, i dont know where i read that they already passed the million units mark, the more the merrier but the sales could be staled now that one plus 2 is selling for a few more bucks, interestingly both are functionally similar, and the benchmarks situate them almost in the same place, only thing is the physical difference being the one plus 2 slicker and newer, never theless it's in our very own interest that the zenfone keeps being sold cos that would made ASUS focus more in the appropiate support, i personally would have prefered they made the jump directly to Android M but 5.1.1 would do, also lets hope that x86-64 gets compiled as far as i know someone told me that this 32 bit thing is just for android? but the kernel is already 64 bits? anyone could clarify on that? is the kernel already 64 bits or it is also 32 bits?
[ZenFone 2 General] Gustapo:
one plus two is gonna be invite based hence I doubt it'll be a competition to ZF2. Only die-hard OP2 fans would care to endure the painful invite system.
[ZenFone 2 General] extreme.samir:
And may be samsung and other brand phone has not that RAM and Memory management issue. We really dont care of 5.1.1 ... but Asus need to understand why the need is increasing for 5.1.1 ... only reason phone has certain issues....which are not necessary to have in other companies. But asus zenfone 2 has these issues. Hope they will release new firmware soon with solutions. They have many other sources of income but generally user have only one device so...user worry for it only. :D :o
[ZenFone 2 General] Abd121:
I'm not sure how is relevant in an "w8 for updates" Thread!
[ZenFone 2 General] Gustapo:
It was a reply to the preceding comment.
[ZenFone 2 General] devsk:
The rate at which this is going (or not going, depending on whether you are a glass half-full kinda person), it looks like Moto X Pure Edition will be released with 5.1.1 before ZF2 gets 5.1.1.

Running lollipop without the fixes in 5.1.1, is a big pain! Asus: are you listening?
[ZenFone 2 General] Tuanies:
Yes
[ZenFone 2 General] AL_IRAQI:
Hi buddy

I hope you guys make theming stock apps easier like what Samsung did in S6

for example in settings i can change background color or using image as action bar background and much more without edit settigs apk, same thing apllied to other stock apps
[ZenFone 2 General] dasklney:
That makes me lol :good:
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
I use 8sms and suggest a donation of 2 bucks to the guy as it's one of the best messengers around
[ZenFone 2 General] dahikino:
Seen what's happen with x86 version of the ROM 5.1 from Google!

Really hard to find one working correctly on a PC and it's the case for zf2, I begin to think that the x86 version will come in years or later ?

I will probably wait for buy a new nexus 5, with this one I will be sure to have the last android update
[ZenFone 2 General] kojata:
Or you can just go with CM 12.1-13?
[ZenFone 2 General] mastermarkofroms:
Its kinda sad but these sites are going off of false sources as Asus confirmed it was not true.
[ZenFone 2 General] Frankenberrie:
Great news indeed. In fact news of any update for our devices are exciting and welcome. Just wish that screenshot had some type of date on it that shows when that convo took place. Could have been over a year ago
[ZenFone 2 General] hit85:
thanks
[LG G Flex 2] pexcw80:
Hello guys my lg flex 2is stock on lg logo when boot idk why i was unrooting it and did a restart and the phone is on the boot it has been like that a few days please help
[XDA Assist] raunaq1997:
i have a lenovo k3 note...i updated it by downloading it official update (which is a developer preview)...but druing its first boot up ...the message appears "unfortunately, wlan has stopped" ..when i click next on the setup wizard....is there anyway to fix it as my pc is reading the device's internal memory when in setup wizard...
[XDA Assist] Razvan:
Hi there,

All about your device is in this threads:

[OFFICIAL THREAD] Lenovo K3 NOTE [CWM/ROOT]

For questions related to CWM or ROOT: [Q&A] [OFFICIAL THREAD] Lenovo K3 NOTE [CWM/ROOT] or here: How to root Lenovo k3 note?

Good luck
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bravept:
Im really sorry for posting this question, but im really really noob at this.

I Have a Xperia SP C5303 with stock Android 4.3 and 12.1.A.1.205 and bootloader locked.

My phone is getting extremely slow at everthing, all applications take huge time to load, sometimes even crash, i cleared all cache on applications, even deleted all my messages (1.5years) and nothing worked. Started in safe mode and its pretty fast.

Im tempted to update my SP to a custom rom 4.4.x or even 5.xx .....but i really dont know nothing about it. Dont know how should i proceed and what steps should i take to backup and prevent any problem in case of something goes wrong.

I already used the "towelroot" and installed SuperSU from google playstore and it says its rooted, but already read somewhere that towelroot doesnt actually really root.

I really really appreciate a huge help on this if possible.

Thank you very much.
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flash-:
first of all (search for doing this !! ;) )

take a TA partition backup and then unlock your bootloader .....then install the recoveries on the stock ROM>>then replay to me after that :)
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bravept:
Ok. Thank you.

Already did the TA Backup with Backup-TA-9.11, now moving on to search "unlocking bootloader".... :)
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] somberchocks:
I think unlocking your bootloader resets everything so backup your apps for re installation once your are done.

I unlocked my bootloader the good old fashioned way via fastboot :

1 - Check if unlocking possible by typing *#*#7378423#*#* in the dialer and going into Service info > Configuration.

2 - If it says something like Bootloader unlock allowed - Yes then its unlockable. If its already unlocked, it will say something along those line as well.

If neither option appears then it isn't unlockable.

3 - Get the unlock code from Sony after filling the necessary details along with the IMEI no. of the phone.

3 - Open command prompt in the adb & flashboot folder by holding Shift + right click and selecting the "open command window here" option.

4 - Type fastboot.exe -i 0x0fce getvar version to check if device is connected properly.

5 - Type fastboot.exe -i 0x0fce oem unlock 0xKEY. Repalce KEY with the code that was received from Sony and hit Enter.

Alternatively the BLU option in FlashTool can be used to simplify things as it automates most of the above procedure. It can also be used to relock your bootloader.

There's also a new app called Kingo SONY Bootloader Unlock that apparently unlocks your bootloader with one click. Check it out.
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bravept:
I was doing that at the moment. Im using Fastboot also ....since i didnt find other ways :)

Already made a copy of everthing i can remember and used Titan backup also.

My phone says "Bootloader unlock allowed : no" , but im still trying doing all the thing....i read somewhere that sometimes works.

At the moment im stuck in connecting the phone in the computer with volume up ...and testing the fastboot getvar version to check if the phone is connected....but stays there....waiting for device...and nothing ...
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] somberchocks:
If it says no then dunno what the chances of success are.

Came across this Youtube tutorial : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li8Eim6gugw

Don't know how legit it is since its been posted a few months back and there are no comments at all so please proceed with caution and of course don't blame me if you brick your device :p

Also did you try the Kingo unlock app I mentioned?
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bravept:
Nothing works...cant really connect in Fastboot mode...i tried everthing...even in 3 diferent computers...nothing works.

Dont know if "bootloader unlock allowed : no" means that i cannot enter in fastboot mode....or if im doing something wrong...
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spasik:
Just install some 4.4.4 lbl build, for example cm11 by mateo337 is really good and even up-to-date.

You will not be able to unlock the boot loader i had XSP that said no and i was not able to do anything about it.

Dont use 5.x.x builds, they are really outdated and have a lot of bugs.
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bravept:
So, then i suppose the next step its to install a LBL Recovery? So i can boot in recovery to flash the custom rom....right?
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] somberchocks:
No you should still be able to enter fastboot mode. Are you using the latest version of FlashTool and have you installed all 3 required drivers? Does your phone show up in device manager when you connect it in fast boot mode?

I am not sure abt the last 2 procedures I posted but the first 2 require your phone to boot into fastboot and stay there till the job's done.

Yeah. Since your phone's rooted now, you can follow a LBL procedure for flashing a custom recovery to allow you to install custom ROMs.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tiburo13:
I have a galaxy note 4 i got through verizon then had some unfortunate events lead to being unemployed for a while which led to me defaulting on my verizon contract and later picking up a cheap amazon fire phone and signed up for ting. which works fine but i have this note 4 here which i tried to give back to verizon but they wouldnt take it so now ill spend awhile paying for it and i cant currently use it so i was wondering if there was a way to use it through ting, or at the very least unlock it to sell so i can rocoupe some of what i gotta pay verizon for it, any help is really appreciated.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Toad:
The Verizon phone is already unlocked. Did you default on the account? If so it may have been blacklisted.

You will get GSM on ting. It is probably missing most of the LTE bands. You can just put your sim into it and see what works. You will need an adapter. The fire phone is nano and the Note is a micro sim.