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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] demonr6:
I do know how to use hard reset but I have had two occasions where the phone is completely hard locked where nothing but pulling the battery is the option.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Nexus 5 has power button issues....
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
That's happened to me as well on more than one ocassion. On my Nexus 7 tablet the power button would always reset but not on the Note 4.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Or he can just hold all the buttons like all other non battery phones including the iPhone lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] demonr6:
Maybe I am not being clear enough.. when my Note locks up it is completely unresponsive.. that means none of the buttons work. Unresponsive. Nothing works but battery pull.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
The people that don't want it will find a reason not to want it. Seems very rudimentary at this point to say it doesn't have xyz, so I don't want it. I think we have established why some people don't want it easily 57 pages ago
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
Is this a stickie now? Geez people give up Already i was like this for a week!!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
If it bothers you so much then don't read the thread. It'll probably keep going for a while but what's wrong with that? It's only one thread.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ScorpionKing76:
I have already had to hard reboot. Battery pull not required. It was just the easiest way for so long lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
I don't even like the Note 5 but holding down the Power Button and maybe even the Home button will power cycle the phone. No company makes a phone without that ability if it doesn't have a removable battery!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] NaVaNzO:
That's what I did. Coming from an LG the note 4 is a beast
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
Wow the lg v10 is one sexy device it shall be my next device over the note 5.

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Removable battery and expandable storage up to 200gb for the people wanting that Lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Will be doing a2 week trial of a Note 5 tomorrow. Taking back the G4 from trial run. Great phone but just not for me. I need my spen. G4 spoiled me with the ergonomics though, damn! So I'm thinking Note 5 will be closest if both worlds?!

[MENTION=1432911]nique0201[/MENTION] have you ever used or owned a G4? If yes are they even close to feel in terms of curved back? I did mess with a note 5 at best buy but that was weeks ago and won't have enough time on lunch to mess around with. Guess I can always convince the store to let me test both right there.

By the way [MENTION=3794926]nano303[/MENTION], that v10 looks kind of weird but cool at the same time. Not sure how the duo screen will work out but we shall see. That's going to shave screen size especially if the big one has onscreen buttons.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pipergca:
I too was bummed when I first read the news but really, lately with tech advances, who needs that much on board storage? I have read those posting that they need tons of files for work, ok I get that. But still the cloud is a pretty good option. I took a look at my 64GB card and I still have 52GB free. The discovery of Google Play Music for me really made needing HUGE storage obsolete. Yeah took a week to upload all my music at the time LOL (very slow upload internet at home at the time) but with unlimited data (or T-Mobile's set music free) its so nice having my entire 80GB music collection available at all times rather than picking and choosing my favorites to be on my phone at any given time.

The removable battery is a non-issue for me as I'm always near a charger and have a small power bank should I go somewhere where and absolutely need one. I couldn't see carrying around a spare battery to swap out anyways.

I guess my point is I can see both sides but know that we can all learn to live without it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nautica2450:
there are benefits to both moves but not always directly to the consumer.

1. a non-removable battery will be larger and usually better functioning.

2. eliminating sd cards again increases computing speed.

and with the fast charging battery implemented since the note 4 you can recharge to a usable level in a matter of minutes.

I'm not saying I love the move by Samsung to pull those 2 powerful features out of their flagship products. What I'm saying is I'm a poweruser and able to get by just fine with the base 16gb (I know I know 11 after system files) and a lone battery.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] chong67:
Those on the pro of non-removeable battery ...

I was in another country and it is a fact when your phone is using at 3G speed(use to cap by Tmo), your juice runs out quicker. And that's what happened to me. I was out at 8 am and by 3 pm, I am down to 5%. I don't understand the science behind it.

So you know why I am for removeable battery. How do you get Samsung attention?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
Justifies it for me. You know what they say about opinions - they're just like assholes... Everybody has one.

I will not buy a phone without expandable storage. Never have never will. It doesn't matter if I never come even half way to capacity... I want the option if I so choose to, put 30 HD movies on my SD card. 90% of my daily commute is underground and NYC hasn't gotten around to outfitting all it's subways with WIFI yet... If I decide I want to watch a movie instead of read, I want a good selection at my disposal. It's the American way - Choice.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kkeith:
I personally don't think the cloud is a viable option for a ton of people, maybe for people down in the United states where your data plans work differently than up here in Canada. I listen to a ton of music while at work. Both my internal and external storage is completely filled with flac audio files, which are anywhere from 10mbs to some are 25mbs a piece, if I were to start keeping those on cloud storage I'd be running up a $200-$250 a month phone bill, which is outrageous. I'm by no means a fanboy, my last 3 phones have been samsung and have loved them, but have no problems going back to HTC or trying out an LG phone is they have a comparable phone to the note. So long as I can have SD card slot I'd be happy, removable battery would suck to lose as I've had several bite the dust over the years but I could deal with it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
I'll be sure to let you know how great the note 5 is, using it to reply to this thread when I get it. Meanwhile you'll be watching a terabyte of all your favorite movies directly from your coveted SD card!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
No one is saying deal with it. But really what do you expect to accomplish by going into an entitled tantrum because this internationally traded company didn't keep your specific phone needs in mind.

It's what I expected and the moment a detail arises that leads me to not purchase this phone I will take all the energy I could be using to gripe about it to research an option and happily become a member of that community.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
As I've already owned the Note 2, 3 and 4, I'm sure I can skip a giant S6 and wait for Samsung to come to their senses. If they decide to tank their most unique device then I have to question their future viability in mobile device area they created and dominated from day one.

But I have it on good authority that the Note 5 will not be a big S6. It will retain it's SD card slot and removable battery... and not cheap ass glass back either. The thing is too big to have a slippery coating.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] NXLTrauma25:
You just keep proving you are age 25 or younger. I don't care either way about the SD card or battery but your attitude is an obnoxious millennial one that I guarantee more than just me are tired of seeing in this thread. Maybe try to articulate your arguments a bit better then acting like a snide brat.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
SD cards suck. Nobody wants them. Samsung agrees. You are sol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] NXLTrauma25:
Your comprehension blows and you completely missed the point. I said I didn't care. I was addressing your teenage attitude.

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As an aside, for anyone worried about the SD card and battery issues I think there is a real possibility that either the note 5 or note 6 will more than adequately make up for it in some way, either internally or what have you.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] 2ndComing:
I think mainly they are starting to do away with battery because when people drop their phone, it explodes lol pieces every where. Many people still do not use a case and there is lots of warranty cases due to that reason.

They are saying SD cards are actually slowing the phone down, I personally haven't had any issues with speed with or without my sd card in on any phone. At least not any noticeable enough to worry with it. They could be blaming their lame bloat for it.

As far as SD cards failing or having to reformat, or going bad. I have not had one single SD card ever fail on me. I still have 256mb-128gig sd and they all still work.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sino8r:
We'll see when it goes on sale. If enough people hate this idea then it won't sell well. Simple and yet you claim to understand the mobile world lol! The Note is a niche market. This ain't the S6. The consumer demands different standards than the regular series. Again, the S6 sold poorly compared to the Edge. Something Samsung didn't anticipate. Samsung does make mistakes. Funny how you keep defending their position (fanboy) and think only the minority of Note users outside of xda & tech sites care about removable media and battery but you're wrong and the sales have shown this already. The old Apple comparison is still very valid and even more relevant than ever. They are choosing a flashy, fragile, glass back that will be covered by case in most cases over functionality. People can make an argument about physical storage vs cloud but even T-mobile is limiting data somewhat these days. Yes there is WiFi but not in all places. Batteries don't last much longer than a year and lose their charge. You'll have to replace your phone if your battery goes bad. Yes... That makes alot of sense. Great idea! I can't change your mind or others with my opinion but the more I read through this thread... The folks who think this isn't a big deal (or a good thing even) are being a bit shortsighted and are extremely mistaken. Only time will tell...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
One never have I defended a Samsung decision. I called out the juvenile tactic of reverting to the "OMG theyre copying apple". Further more we sit here in the Note 4 thread griping about batteries eventually going bad in a discussion on the Note 5.. Well given the early upgrade trend I guess that isn't a problem huh?

Some one called sdcards crapping out a red herring but if the argument of the batteries crapping out isn't just that I don't know what to say..

I guess I could make up far fetched scenarios to support my argument but of course you will dismiss or ignore accordingly and put words in more mouth like defending Samsung lol.

So SD cards never go bad and sealed batteries are bound too. Not biased at all.

I don't know who's mind you are trying to change. I could care less anyway. I just thought it was hilarious the depth of discussion already lead to the whole apple/Samsung drama. And folks having a good ol fanboy chuckle at the guy with the apple signature..

Like you said we will see when it goes on sale who wins. You or Samsung. You keep taking tips from that marketing team of yours.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
SD cards can occasionally go bad but aren't guaranteed to. I have cards that I bought in 2000 that still work fine. Batteries have a finite charge cycle and are considered a consumable by the tech industry. They're expected to fail within a predictable time frame. The two are really not comparable. This is a really anti-consumer move by Samsung, they're basically saying "if you want more storage you have to give us significantly more money for a larger capacity model, and when your battery goes bad you can't replace it yourself, you have to pay us to replace it. Or hey even better, why not just buy a new phone?"
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sino8r:
Hehehe! Fair enough... Yeah it's all in good fun anyways. Don't get me wrong here just trying to have a bit of funny in light of some disappointing news. I get it's not as big of a deal to most but some of us had had our hearts set on a new shiny Note 5. Oh well, I'm gonna miss my stylus a bit. The only good thing, imo, is if the rumor about the 4000mah battery is true. That might help soften the blow a bit. And then again it might be a good time to see if those other companies have come up something comparable. Will see ya around I'm sure. You're a worthy opponent:p Might have to add your resume to Team Nerd:good:

Exactly... My initial thoughts were this. This will be a difficult decision this fall for sure! One of my worries is how hard it will be to replace the battery. I heard you have to remove the screen to get to it on the S6. If anyone here has ever replaced their glass screen, you all know how difficult it is to not break the digitizer. It's not very fun. Oh well. I guess we shouldn't jump to so many conclusions so quickly. It's not looking good though.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
But realistically can you attest to the deterioration rate of a battery? I have a co worker with a Verizon Casio Gshock from 3 maybe 4 years ago that still puts most of today's phones to shame. That phone is four years old.

My Droid Razr Maxx lasted two years before it went in the drink with a constant 4 hours SoT with 21 to 24 hours between charge cycles. I paid a great deal of attention to it after coming from the crap storm that was my Galaxy Nexus. Frankly I think you are making a stretch because I am looking at what would be considered the a very liberal timeframe for replacing your phone (somewhere between 12 and 18 months) and I am not seeing this trend of people tossing out their batteries for new ones in that short amount of time..

My all time best performing battery was sealed in after all but of course ymmv..

Not to mention just looking at this thread it seems like Samsung is the sole offender when all you have to do it take a moments notice and the only flag ship this year so far WITH a removable battery is the LGG4..

Just for complete transparency you mentioned still having cards from 2000.. Well MicroSD which is the only card I am talking about wasn't even announced until 2005.

Also cards DO have read write cycles just like batteries have charge cycles. Let's be fair now. While they are probably not near one another in the number of cycles. They are BOTH finite.

Just making sure we are talking about the same thing.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Well, I've been in the tech industry as both a hobbyist and a professional since 2006, and I've seen many a battery go bad., sometimes quite violently. The life of a battery is affected by many variables, including usage, charge frequency, battery technology, capacity, etc. Sometimes something goes wrong in manufacturing too and you can end up with a dud. My HD2's battery still works alright after 5 years, but my Touch Pro's battery went bad after I'd had the phone for only a few months. Even if a battery lasts years, I'd still rather have the ability to replace it myself when it does go bad than have to send it in to some service center. I like having the ability to use an extended battery as well, and that's not so easy in phones with sealed batteries.

This is true, and it also applies to built-in flash memory. At least with the option to install an SD card, the entire phone isn't a total write-off :good:

Honestly this is really a stupid thing to argue about and this thread has devolved into splitting hairs at this point. If these things don't matter to you, then great! But the overwhelming opinion seems to show that it DOES matter to a hell of a lot of people for various reasons and it's a bad move to make these kinds of changes in such a high-end device. If all phones eventually make the move to all-internal sealed everything, well then I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it. But one thing I think we can all agree on is that it's better to have more options than less.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Amd4life:
curious, how do you save backups and perform full wipes with no sdcard? will the additional memory be on a separate data partition or something? Or do I always have to have cloud or desktop backup?

I want to be able to switch roms, and FULL wipe in between. It also seems less secure when selling a device with flash memory stock. There really isn't a quality way to destroy all data traces with the way android is designed to wipe.

Apple is much better in this regard, imo. I am on a yearly cycle of buying phone, so the battery is not that much of an issue for me. But transferring 128gb of data over a USB 2 connection would SUCK (since they took away the USB3.0 connection from the Note series).
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Biggest thing for me is great let's debate but let's avoid the rhetoric, doomsday scenarios, and baseless factoids.

Especially when no one can concede two simple things, when you are giving your opinion or some at least mildly researched fact or theory that has been put through the scientific process and that YMMV as with anything in life..

I've been working for years with the military on mobile battery tech for navigation and secured cellular devices so I've combed through white paper after white paper and tested everything from Nokia batteries to prototypes from that 24M company and everyone in-between. I have a tinge of knowledge on it.

So it makes me laugh when I see one sided discussion on how these batteries perform and act, down to over exaggerating life deterioration and thermal runaway to drive home the point of , non removable batteries are bad mmk.

It's an inconvenience, I get that for some.. But everything else is kind of a stretch.

Do batteries crap out and sometimes even explode? Sure. Of course making it removable doesn't really save your phone in that case..

Also I will say this, it matters to a lot people the same way it probably doesn't matter at all to even more..

The majority of the people that will be buying this don't even know there are details about it released because the true majority is not sitting here on XDA..

Lastly asking people to stand by their claims such as having memory cards that have lasted 15 years when MicroSD have only been around for 10 isn't a devolution of the thread. The thread devolved when people discredited someones opinion because of their signature.

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I back up to my device. It takes up 6gigs but I've had my phone since Jan and it hasn't been an issue. Also I upload my photos to Google drive as well as my TiBu since I share them across my devices.

Like you have to look past the device you're using and see that folks are developing and flashing ROMs on devices with no SDcards all over the place (Nexus for example).

Yes all your eggs are in one basket but the same way internal memory could crap so could external. And in fact just by design memory on chip has a higher read write cycle and more integrated error mitigation than SDcards so it would actually last longer.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Nope. Played with one for a day. Owned a g2 & 3 tho (irrelevant lol) but the note does have slightly curved edges but aren't that noticeable when you put a case on. But it does fit better in hand than previous notes.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Cool thanks. I still own a G2, it really isn't a slouch by far but still not as good as Note 4. We shall see what happens. What Rom are you running?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I played with a G4, it seemed a little sluggish at some points but it might be all the crap "free music" apps that were on it. The drops in screen size and dpi was noticeable, seemed laughable how little content was on the screen compared to my Note. The camera is nice and battery decent, but that could also have been affected by the apps on it. All in all I wasnt impressed in a side by side but price being a consideration it isnt a bad phone on its own merits.

The curve of the Note 5 and the smaller bezel makes it more one hand friendly. Even with a case on (two layer slim case from Verus) its more comfortable than my Note 4 is in hand.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Thanks for the info I'll give that case a lookup. I agree on the G4, it was very smooth but there were just some weird stutters on the weirdest places like when it came to closing apps from the recent tab. There was always a slight stutter there with the one I was just using. I do love the screen though but there were also touch issues in some places. It was registering touches when I was even close to the screen(just hovering). I'm getting kind of excited to pick up the Note 5 today. My Note 4 might being getting traded for a Z3 for a backup phone if I don't end up keeping the Note 5.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Im considering selling my Note 4 off and getting the old lady an iPhone, she won't convert to android because apparently for work it's become an unwritten standard that her team stay in contact via iMessage and there are some work specific apps she cant get on android.

Now that you mentioned the touch issues I did notice it being a little wonky but I assumed maybe it was user error. I will say the Note 5 is definitely more touch sensitive than the Note 4. That being said I wanted to like the device. I owned a LG G2 and G3 and for the most part was very pleased with the device.

This is the case I am using:

http://veruscase.com/device/samsung...alaxy-note-5-case-high-pro-shield-series.html

I'd go with the amazon prices though:

http://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-Verus-...107_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=19X47DPH0E9JDR690YD5

Very solid feel, I love how the cut outs for the camera look on the back, if you are using an aux cable just make sure the one you use has a slimmer profile (like most headphone 3.5mm). The lip around the pen means if you extend the plunger by mistake it wont extend beyond the threshold of the case and risk getting caught or broken..

Also obviously has the lip in front to keep the screen off surfaces, camera lens is recessed just enough to keep it from touching surfaces as well when laid on its back.

Initially when I put it on the first time the buttons didnt sit just right, but it just took a little massaging into place because it is a snug fit, button response is very good though.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
This thread should be renamed to 'Sure, I troll'
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Thanks for the recommend. I'll definitely take a look into that one. I do love Verus' cases. Going to try my best and not be a phone whore this time around by only getting 2. Thinking the Titanium Silver and getting a pink for the boobie month! Gotta show my support!

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Who is trolling? If you are referring to me then I apologize for taking this off topic a bit. Let me fix that....

I will post an update of my distaste for the Note 5 after my initial few days with it and let you all know why it sucks over the Note 4!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Lol I mean talking about a Note, 4 or 5 is still basically OT.

Also these cases are gorgeous, they just weren't in stock when I was looking:

http://www.caseologycases.com/collections/samsung-galaxy-note-5-cases

Edit: May have already shared these.