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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
I saw some rumours on the dutch Pocketinfo.nl website: HTC to announce 4 new devices on Gitex

One being the HTC Shift and the other 3 might be the HTC Nike, HTC Polaris and HTC Omni.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] columb:
Any update??

HTC Shift announced...

I just can not wait!!! I WANT HTC OMNI!!!!!!!

DAMN YOU HTC!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] MPW:
In another thread some wrote, that there will be no Omni, he called some friends in Taiwan.

Sorry guys for killing your dreams:-(.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] columb:
Thanks anyway, mate!

I will never understand HTC :(

WHERE IS A NEW PPC with all those EXEC's features, HTC??? We need more memory, 2nd screen outside, TV out(VGA) and GPS. GPU would be nice addition, but fast CPU is fine with me.

HTC, PLEASE!!!

Ah, dreams...

Cheers

Chris
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] MPW:
In my opinion HTC will be concentrating on UMPC. The "big" PPC won't exsist any more, because they're too closed to the UMPCs. And to not release the Omni is quite understandable: They would steal there own costomers from the Advantage.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
Now the::unwired claims the HTC will not be announced at Gitex:

FAIR: HTC to launch Windows Mobile Smartphones at GITEX but not the HTC Shift

Strange that noone has any factual information about what is actually happening at this fair.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
The Universal is a pretty popular device and the Advantage is not. It doesn't make sense to drop a device in a provenly popular segment to increase the sales of an impopular device.

The Omi and Advantage are not "too close" by a mile. The Advantag is huge and the Omni is (or was predicted to be) even smaller than the Universal.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
OK so the HTC Shift was in fact present at the 2007 Gitex:

Gitex Pictures HTC Shift WM6

as were the iMate Ultimate 6150 and Ultimate 8150 (see other links on that blog)

:edit: Found another news article and it doesn't look very hopeful:Gitex News: HTC Showcasing HTC Shift

No mention of the Omni. Just the Shift and HTC TyTN II seem to be "new". Besides the Advantage X7500, S710, P3400 of course.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Park:
Updated Information on the HTC Omni

http://www.smartphone-software.net/news/full-details/news_id.4/Sneak-Peak-On-The-New-Htc-Omni-Device
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] galt:
I'm going to just say it; you linked to a (new) "news post" that referenced a 3 month-old story on UnwiredView (this one: http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/07/...1-mpx-camera-hsupa-support-and-other-goodies/ ) that was all info from an even older document.

No one has faith that this particular info is still relevant. No one has supplied any new info since then, your link was a horrible tease.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
Yeah that was seriously uncool :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Park:
New Updates On The HTC Omni

Yesterday 20:09:03 #8

Robert Drexler

I'm too lazy to register

HTC Omni. Is it 100% confirmed that the HTC Omni has been cancelled? If HTC Omni is cancelled what HTC device will replace the Qtek 9000? If anyone knows this information please detail out for me. Thank you.

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This posting was contributed by a unregistered visitor of the::unwired Forum!

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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Park:
Where to Purchase HTC Omni

Here is a link I stumbled across today which gives information on when HTC Omni will be available to buy and also the purchase price :) http://www.superetrader.co.uk/htc-o...-mobile-phone-smartphone-sim-free-p-2857.html
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Bulldog:
I can not believe the omni will be available 03/10/2007. It is only 1-2 weeks to release date and nothing but almost nothing has leak to media or public?????.

I hope I am wrong but the add in the link seams to be attraction for traffic.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] galt:
Park, your persistence in sharing what you think is new info on the Omni is appreciated, but again, I'm sorry to say, this is worthless. The site you linked to has CLEARLY just taken the same (old) leaked info and written up an *obviously* speculative page to attract possible buyers. This frequently happens with leaked info about devices that are yet to be announced.

I'm more excited than most regading any possible info about the Omni, but these kind of posts are just sad teases....
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mo3ulla:
1/omni owners can be very bad in terms of programs..look for a display .. it summarized 320-240?

omni users face the same problems that users hp and 6915 (as well as other pocket pc with square screens)...the programme will not be run ..on this device .. or work extremely unstable and not on the whole screen///

2/but the fact is that it has installed 400 megahertz processor .. he even killed ... I am sure sign that he would not show acceptable performance on the screen .. KAISER is not very fast ... but there is also increased screen .. in result S200 with a large screen ... in any case, omni step backwards in terms of productivity
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mo3ulla:
also unclear why НТС reduce keyboard? ? ? ? and why such huge softkeys and phone keys ... if they were not made by the keyboard combination that would make sense ... but in this case they are off a bit from the keyboard ..
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
mo3ulla,

What are you babbling about?

- The screen is NOT 320x240

- The screen is NOT square

- There is NO problem running software on 320x240 screens (since that's the deault pocket screen resolution) Maybe you mean 800x480, but elsewhere the specs say VGA 640x480. So we'll have to wait for the official specs.

- The keyboard on the Omni is NOT reduced (the footprint is virtually the exact same size)

- Speed does not depend on CPU speed alone. A good graphics processor could help too. Again, we'll have to wait how fast/slow it is.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] MPW:
Thought it would never come....?

I think the rumors where mixed with other devices, an omni won't come or has never existed.

There are so many different specs, probably someone mixed them with other devices, the devices which are now annoced.

I'm still praying, but my optimism is shrinking continuesly.

Regards,

MPW
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] dreamtheater39:
HTC, i'm tired of waiting, do you hear me?????! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] svyatko:
Well, its the 1st of October, HTCs 4th quarter of 2007 device lineup is revealed, and BLOODY HELL there is no sign of the OMNI. I am gutted. and very puzzled.

I sold my Universal like 2 monthes ago, and got HTC Tytn,with damn misalligning problem, and wich i hate by now BIG TIME. I thought OMNI is the way to go but there seems to be no "way" FFS.

What are we going to do ......??????
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
I gave up and ordered an Athena/Advantage X7500 (or T-Mobile Ameo actually)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] svyatko:
What stops me is the fact i can not use it without a BT headset,

Unfortunately that is a NOGO for me... I will probably end up getting something silly like LG KS20 or Touch 2. I cant be bothered with Tytn 2

Damn, i hate situations like that......
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
Well, it works like a speakerphone, but indeed I would rather have been able to put it to my ear.

Its pretty cool with the screen partly visible while closed though. Really clever.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] xqizit:
To me, the Omni is most probably the work of someone who likes HTC phones and is good in graphic design... think about it... how easy would it be to start a rumour like this?

HTC wont kill the speculation since it is free marketing and we wont know any better...

I think we can all be rest assured, especially since they did not even discuss it yesterday at the HTC roadshow, that this is just a rumour....

I certainly hope I am absolutely WRONG!!!

:)

Does anyone strongly disagree?

X.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
The universal was quite a popular phone. I don't see why they wouldn't come out with a successor.

I don't think the HTC omni rumour would be good publicity for HTC if it is untrue. People are waiting for this phone and otherwise they might have bought another one already. Why would they want to keep people waiting for a phone that never will come? They'd rather take your money now.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] dreamtheater39:
quite possible :(

I dont seem to understand what the matter really is with HTC. Dont they realize there are a hundred thousand universal fans desparately waiting to upgrade????!

Unfortunately, theres no other device worth upgrading once you're used to a Uni. Theres nothing quite close to it. The keyboard is sooo perfect for me, i cant use any other device....its either too small, or has the button layout not well designed, or too few buttons etc. The uni is a show stealer, and only a new version of the same device is worth it :(

wonder how much more waiting is to be done :(

San
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] galt:
Agreed. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, they've left us high and dry on the upgrade path.

Seriously, 12-18 months ago all they needed to do was bump the basic specs and offer it in the same form factor, but if we don't see anything until 2008 (and we wont) , it really needs to be damn hot to justify the wait. I'm thinking not only the specs we've seen in terms of GPS, WVGA, 125/256 RAM/ROM, but it really should be running a next-gen processor like the Marvel "Monahan" PXA310 or PXA320 (read here: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=365&pgno=0 ) and it should include a few gigs of flash memory for storage.

What is perplexing is that HTC is otherwise doing a great job of upgrading and adding to the rest of their product lineup, but the gap between what they offered us over two years ago via the Uni, and what they have made available to us today for replacement (go small = Kaiser, go larger = Advantage) is still too distant - no device really offers the particular balance achieved in the Universal between overall device, screen, and keyboard sizes and between the phone & data form functionality.

Did the Omni just not make the cut in terms of projected revenue due to the larger data devices being more of a niche market? If so, then why the Advantage? Did they delay the Omni in order to wait for better technology to be incorporated? If so, that's the best scenario for those of us dedicated to this kind of device, but it means we're stuck struggling with aging Uni's or making undesirable trade-offs for lesser devices in the mean time. There could be a thousand reasons it hasn't made it out, and our speculation really serves no really purpose, but ultimately it has become very frustrating and very sad to be a Universal/Omni fan.

Saddled with an uncertain future, stuck between waning enjoyment and a reluctance to give in and accept certain disappointment; the Omni fan waits.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] greatestkelvin:
follow my path..

I used to spend weeks after weeks waiting for the new Omni, but I later realize why am I making myself so unhappy. I bought the Dopod U1000 instead. This is such a cool device. The screen is large, right now I do so many things with it, I watch videos, I surf the internet using HSDPA, I play games...... its well built. Don't wait any longer for a device that doesn't exist... life is too short.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
I second the Dopod U1000 (or HTC Athena / X7500/ T-Mobile Ameo). It really is a great device. It's not that much bigger than the Universal actually. It has some disadvantages compared to the Uni (calls only work as speaker phone or with headset, size, keyboard not truly integrated), but the screen is just awesome and so is the 8GB storage (great for movie viewing and with the TV out even on a TV)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] dreamtheater39:
Hi galt!

very well put, great post! it states our frustration, good to know many more of them out there like me going crazy waiting for an upgrade.....wonder how long the wait would end up being.

The advantage is way toooo big for normal use. It wont fit in any of my pants, and has no decent cover to clip it on to your belt. Its like a gadget tumor which you want to weed out....too large, a complete NO. I tried several times to convince myself, but it just doesnt cut it.

I guess the sickening wait continues.....bloody htc, beginning to hate them for going the commercial path and leaving out the true fans behind. The HTC touch has made them great revenues, and they're pumping all their budgets into the touch and its future platforms....sad. The least they can do is, expand their team and get an uni upgrade on a parallel, least to say....

Screw htc, isnt there any other company who can make something similar with bumped up specs??? what happened to Imate? Sad! I'm just losing it here eventually :-/

San
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] ng:
I completely agree with Galt! Nothing really cuts it compared to my uni, I simply want an upgrade HTC!!!

Kaiser:I'm tempted, but afraid the screen and keyboard won't cut it, if nothing comes out, I think it will be this device as phone and uni for making notes.

Athena: way too big!The uni is pushing it for size and weight, I'm not gonna walk around with something that isn't even a normal phone, has a small keyboard and that will kill all my bank cards in my purse! (yes, in my purse ;-)

xda flame: great, but has no own keyboard and will force everything into portrait (more of a landscape person), plus I don't live in an O2 country, so importing would be too expensive.

sigh...I guess I'll wait and see what comes out in 2008...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Johny58:
Anyone considering the ETEN Glofiish M800 yet?

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6768.html
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cktlcmd:
Nice specs. But I still prefer a clamshell device, so I am waiting for the HTC Omni or the IMate 7150, if they both cancel it. Then I'll probably look into the ETEN.

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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Zuber:
Sounds good.

Could not spot the camera specs.

also hope they add 128MB ram in there.

Zuber
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] mo3ulla:
eten m800 ---- suxx

1/ they have only 64mb ram

2/ its eten ... their assembly is not in comparison with HTC
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Huck33:
i saw that the 7150 is planned for february 2008
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cktlcmd:
Excellent!!! :) After having clamshell pdas like the SONY UX40, UX50, and Universal. I am not going back to a tablet PDA. :)

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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] columb:
So in other words NO HTC OMNI in near future?

Was HTC EXEC unpopular? Was too expensive? Didn't meet sales expectations? Or WHY they don't want to do successor?

Sham, HTC.

I really can't wait for new device with similar specs :(

cheers

Chris
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] tslany:
Maybye HTC is waiting for nevest technology.

I'm made couple of renderu here: http://tslany.ic.cz/index.php?text=2-htc-omni-rendery-a-tech-specifikace (I am sorry for Czech on those page)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] surur:
Nice, but too thick.

Surur
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Park:
Latest News & Updates On The HTC Omni

Here is the latest URL link which I have bookmarked on the HTC Omni http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/11/06/htc-omni-surfaces-at-google-as-htc-dreamwith-android-os/ It is more of a waiting game. All good things come to those that wait. I have a Qtek 9000 Pocket PC with the latest rom but I will wait until the HTC Omni comes out. I still think that the Qtek 9000 and other branded names under Qtek 9000 is still the top model out there. So everyone that is waiting for an upgrade from the Qtek 9000, O2 XDA Exec, Dopod 900, I-mate Jasjar, T-Mobile MDA Pro, Vodafone VPA IV & Grundig GR980 just keep your current device which this will be well worth the wait until the HTC Omni comes out.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] columb:
3 months later and still nothing...

F*** YOU HTC!!!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
How long do we have to wait for this? I've been waiting for a year to hold this baby in my hands!!!

Does anyone know for sure when its coming out? or are we still guessing?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] orb3000:
According to this page is expected in October, hope they are right!

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=790
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
How about the Sony Experia X1 or the HTC Touch Pro?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] orb3000:
Touch Pro is already in the market since 1 month and Xperia is delayed till january
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
At the IFA Trade-show, Sony claimed 2008 Q4 for the Xperia.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
Thanks for the reply!

Eventhough its only a month away I don't think I can wait that long, because I've been blinded by the iPhone and its all I can think about.

Another downfall is that the Omni will not be available in my country (Canada) just like the Uni was never available from any carrier here, so its eaither me paying $200 with contract for the iPhone or $700+ for Omni when it comes out from eBay without warranty.

I don't know!!! I love my Uni and would love to get my hands on Omni which would make the iPhone a distant memory! But unfortunately the reality is that Omni is a dream... and dream I shall.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
The iPhone is nowhere near what the Universal could do. It's more like a regular phone with a fancy interface and large touchscreen.

If you like the iPhone, maybe the LG Prada II is more of a competitor.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] orb3000:
http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/sony-ericsson-to-delay-the-xperia-x1-until-2009/
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] orb3000:
I understand your point mate, here in mexico it´s even more difficult than in Canada to get a nice phone (Carriers only bring old models or Iphone...)

But I definetly would consider to search alternative ways to get the phone you want. After all it´s your money on the pot...

And I can imagine that you can´t change phone as often as companies want us to change (Me too)

I had a friend travelling form London and I ask him to bring me my beloved Uni, and after 3 years I have not any problem with it to really miss the warranty

Well that´s only my opinion...

Good luck!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
yes and? That's an article from march 2008.

Like I said, recently at the IFA tradeshow they said Q4 2008

Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 not delayed after all
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
I'm not disagreeing with you that the iPhone is nowhere near what the Uni could do. However, at this moment for me the iPhone is more of a phone and multimedia device than the Uni is, due to all the issues I've been having with my Uni.

LG Prada is like a piece of shiny plastic with a small screen.

iPhone:

-battery life is better

-3G WiFi is faster

-probably works in a home's basement unlike my Uni!!!!!!!

I would've never considered the iPhone if it wasn't for the problems I'm experienceing with my Uni... I hope yours lasts you 3 more!!

Its on the market and its an impressive phone as far as internal storage QWERTY sliding keyboard and 3.2 megapixel camera, the downfall is that it only has a 3" LCD but a VGA (800X480)!!!! Also a good processor 528mhz (available on eBay)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] dagosjt:
As I said in an other post, for people looking for iPhone but still liking the WinMo world, why don't consider Samsung Omnia i900?

Of course can't be considered an Universal successor, but it can be easily compared to iPhone. Feature-wise is much much better, for the rest depends if you like so much iPhone interface to decide for Apple phone instead of Samsung one (and you are over-legitimate to make your choice :-))
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
One problem: 3.2" LCD!!! a shame!!:(
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
I rather have a 3" screen at 800x480 than 3.5" at 480x320. That iPhone screen has only half the resolution of the Universal screen and then you complain when other PDA's have a minor half an inch less screen size?

Actually, I see lots of people complain about their iPhone reception. This problem also seems related to the battery draining too fast on the iPhone.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] dagosjt:
Honestly, I would renounce to Universal keyboard, to SD card and to IR (yes I use Universal as remote) for everything Omnia has if only they made it 640x480.

The reason is all the programs I'm sure they are working on VGA and all the customizations made for this resolution that I would lose. I'm speaking about years of tweaking quite day by day, and I would like to don't restart this process :D

However 3,2" is still acceptable for my needs, even if the ideal would be around 4", and looking at Omnia it is not impossible at all to have such big screen and a good portability
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
Few points:

iPhone doesn’t have half the resolution of the Uni! The iPhone has 3.5” 320x480 at 160ppi and the Uni is at 3.6” 640x480 at 222ppi, difference of 62ppi. You need to consider not only how big the display is or how many pixels it has but also how well those pixels are used! Apple’s rendering engines are amongst the best in the world. And don’t forget that PPCs only use 16 bit color when iPhone uses 24 bit, not to mention color reproduction black levels and how vivid the images appear. And lastly most people’s eyes won’t be able to distinguish between 320x480 and 640x480 as none of us hold our devises to our noses! I compared the iPhone to my Uni and the images are much crisper and not to mention the bigger the screen + ppi the more battery power is consumed.

My brother is yet to complain about the iPhone’s reception…
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
Geez, it has half the number of pixels!

Either way that's a much bigger loss than a tiny fractio of real estate (which actually also benefits in rendering a smaller device overall).
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
BTW just read that Jobs announced a firmware update that should fix the poor battery life and poor reception/broken connections of the iPhone 3G.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] orb3000:
Anyway still an iphoney.....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=314455
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
Now even more of a reason to get one! Do you mind posting a link to the article?

orb you seem to be very negative towards the iPhone! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
I guess you could just Google for a link, but here is one for ya:

Apple announces iPhone firmware 2.1 availability
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] serjay:
I could have but I was with my clients; bad enough I posted a reply at work:cool: Thanks for the link either way!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] orb3000:
orb you seem to be very negative towards the iPhone! :)[/QUOTE]

Not negative, I´m sorry, I´m just too much overxposed to the Adds all around so.....

Cheers, and good luck with your desicion!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] patrickl:
I played with an iPhone and I was completely unimpressed. To me it seems like nothing more than a gimmick. Who on earth needs to zoom in and out on a webpage? Especially on a low res screen like that of the iPhone? I can read webpages just fine on my 640x480 screen without having to resort to zooming in and out all the time.

The iPhone is a smartphone for people wo don't need a smartphone.

I guess it looks cute though if you like the style. Unfortunately it doesn't match my purse ;)