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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] darekz:
I went to T-Mobile store today and test both latest Samsung phones. They both very nice and shiny and.... I couldn't find reasons to give up my Note 4. Loosing IR blaster (I use it daily), Gear VR compability (own one), not replaceable battery (have 2 spare) and of course lack of SD card is not for me. On the top of it Note 4 is backward compatible with Note 2 Smart Dock. Only thing I wish for is Samsung Pay. Most likely I will skip Note 5 and wait for next one with SD or maybe switch brands if something better comes along. Some reviews showing already that Samsung is very aggressively killing background aplications and in daily use is only slightly faster than flagship phones from other manufacturers.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
Thanks didn't know that.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Why do you think Samsung market research is infallible? Why have they continually missed sales targets for the last 7 quarters?

What factless issues have been brought up?

1. The Note 5 isn't being sold in Europe.

2. No IR blaster

3. No VR support

4. No micro SD card

5. No removable battery

There are probably others as well

Which of these isn't true? or is it your opinion that these shouldn't be issues for others since they aren't for you and therefore factless?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tommason1968:
Yep, it's take it or leave it. All this complaining is falling on deaf ears, at least ones that matter.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] lizzluv1:
I was skeptical guys but I got the s6 edge plus a couple days ago and speed wise beauty wise camera wise everything wise it kills the note 4 i tested it in the tmobile store beforehand and fell in love. The phone finally feels as smooth as an iphone. NO LAG. I was nervous losing certain features but I never change batteries and my SD card was mostly empty other than music and ir blaster hurt but I can live without it but seriously I don't miss the note 4 one bit...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
One big glaring issue with your logic is that you are associating multiple quarters of losses on a phone that just hit the market. Further more you have this Note tunnel vision when Sammy has tons and tons of phones.

If anything a simplistic approach would lead one to believe a change may be in order because the tried and true form factor that apparently everyone is dying to have was not saving Samsung from the earnings slump..

So if you want to prove something. Prove what the note 5 has to do with the current state of Samsung earnings.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Have you considered the miss in sales is because of not switching things up??? I'm sure Samsung has!! Point blanc period when tech moves some things get left behind... You were probably the guy saying " oh no I can't with these smartphones, they've alienated me!! I like how my phone flips and is thin.. Screw motorilla for abandoning us and not making the razr anymore. Why can't it be a smart flip phone. The razr was the swiss army knife of phones and now motorilla had alienated us to be like that new iPhone that'll never work. Go with what's tried and true..." SHUT UP!!!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Seriously I think you Note 5 guys need to stop posting in here. Not because you're wrong, but because you're contradicting what the thread was created for.

This thread is pretty much here for the people that need a place to vent their own personal reasons for not liking Samsung anymore and not wanting to buy the Note 5. And you are coming here to try and convince them otherwise.

It would be as if they came to the Note 5 threads; which some already have unfortunately, and trying to convince you to take it back and come back to the Note 4.

Yes you all have a right to go back and forth on xda. Actually you dont, that's why threads get locked up. Lol

But seriously to the people that are pro Note 5, please just stop posting in here as it is just getting more and more gritty. You guys are almost getting personal over a phone that some of you already have and some of you don't. Just let the Note 4 people vent in peace.

I myself personally have been looking at the Note 5, but I really don't want to give up my SD card and battery. However, I have owned both types of phones, with and without SD cards so I am not sure what I will do. At this point the only thing that might convince me to get it is if it will lower my bill to jump to it.

Then again I just started school and the SD card is major for me to have. Yes I know about the cloud and I do use it but at this point the only reason we do is to hold our photos until we get a big enough SSD.

Anyways, please can you guys chill or I'm sure a mod will soon step in and close this down.

Have a good day and remember it is better to make somebody smile than to frown. ?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
LOL.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
As a note and Samsung fan (and device advocate at the store I manage) no I can't just stop posting when the thread is titled ".... Before Samsung screws up the note line" I don't feel anyone has been disrespectful from either side thus far. To me its no different then old ppl talking about hwy there music is better and younger ppl talking about why there's is. It's posted in the general section for general convo.... I know thread gets closed a lot when ppl take this type of convo onto a development thread but I hardly think this is that. As long as it stays peaceful banter and not violent or extreme insulting. I don't see the issue. And yes it is better to make people smile. I agree.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
There's also a golden rule in retail: Its twice as hard to win back a customer than to keep one.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
"Why can't it be a smart flip phone. The razr was the swiss army knife of phones and now motorilla had alienated us to be like that new iPhone that'll never work. Go with what's tried and true..." SHUT UP!!!"

That's why I made my post.

And no I am not saying you're the only one that has gotten frustrated, but as we can clearly see the thread is getting a little too personal.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
So unless we agree we should just be quiet? When this thread started you already had folks flaming people simply because they had "Sent from iDevice" in their signature.

Folks making claims on the deterioration of lithium ion batteries with not a shred of proof..

Someone made mention of having micro sdcards since 2000 that haven't gone bad when they weren't even around until 2005..

Then you have people chiming in with the most specific of situations why they need SD cards loaded with movies and music (one of the most hilarious being the guy who didn't have a signal in Walmart so he needed an SD card full of music).

I'm all for a spirited debate but its hard when rhetoric is what most people come here with.

You have people going on about how this isn't a true android device because android is about choice but Google lead the charge in removing sdcards and removable batteries.

Yes android is about choice. Doesn't mean all those choices will be handled by one device.

Then its being said it alienates power users, well please quantify this term "Power User" as it applies to mobile devices because I'm sure more corporations are using iPhones and Windows phones than Note 4s and there hasn't been a corporate uprising.

Keeping 64 gb of movies and music doesn't seem like a power user for me.

Let's not forget the dead horse that is the multiple quarters of recorded losses that happened happened while the Note 3 and 4 were kicking around but some how those losses and the Note 5 are related.

Sorry. I won't call names but I also won't just be quiet. This thread went down hill when it became "zomg they want to be apple because they sealed in the battery and no sdcard". Bro. Have you ever heard of nexus.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I don't think typing shut up is grounds to now nor ever been grounds to close a thread... But I may be wrong. Now if we got to calling each other retarted and threatening each other and cursing and talking about things not phone related I'd get the point you were making. But maybe I'm being too optimistic about what's acceptable between adults who I hope aren't taking anything ever said on XDA personal. But again that may be my optimism.

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Exactly I know that in a debate you only push the facts that support your argument tho. So of course the note5 is the worst phone ever and Samsung is alienating ppl and that's why the sales have dropped. And all other androids offer sd so its bewildering that Samsung doesn't anymore even though their new high-speed controller simply isn't compatible with it at the time.. And it sucks that they didn't release it in Europe even tho the guy posting that probably lives in Kansas. Lol. People are so entitled these days its ridiculous.. " I shouldn't have to get a separate device to carry files I only access once in a blue moon like my terabyte movie collection!"

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And furthermore (not to beat a dead horse) I also comment in this thread because there a people incapable of making a decision for themselves who will come here read all this and miss out on a good phone because of the issues someone else has. So I bring the good to combat the bad so they can make a better weighted decision and not just see the moan fest.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Again I'm not saying you guys are wrong I'm just saying it's only going to get worse. The best way to resolve it it just to let the anti Note 5 people continue to use the thread to vent. That's all I was saying.

I just don't like seeing people argue over petty stuff because it just leads to worse stuff by the time it's said and done. I've seen so many people get fed up and leave XDA just because of the simple fact that they took something that was typed and misinterpreted the notion it was intended to give.

I just want the thread to stay as peaceful as possible and from the looks of the past few pages it's not staying that way.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Lol I guess it gets worse then. Hasn't exactly been a bastion of enlightenment to begin with. Hey if grown men and women throw a hissy fit and leave xda because of this thread you have to ask yourself were they really worth keeping around.

When I break the rules then you can ask me to take a knee. Otherwise I will stay the course.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
He is correct. I feel like Samsung has pulled an "okey doke" on the "power user" <--- real or self-proclaimed. I have made sure that I don't go into pro Note 5 threads and explosive diarrhea all over the place. Some of you guys would go into an AA meeting and get mad because there are alcoholics on deck. Some of the responses need to be scaled back or "they" will come in and regulate.

Cue up the Warren G here.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] joe1blue:
I just can't see myself paying over $700 for this phone...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Played with one last night and my wife tried to convince me to get her one. It's not as fragile as it seems in the photos to me. I did notice the weight though which honestly isn't that much lighter. I think it's because of the shape of the phone. I honestly thought about it last night while I was there at best buy but I just can't bring myself to purchasing that phone for that much money. I was analyzing the differences of both it and the Note 4 and it really is just software optimization that's making it seem so fast.

The 1GB ram it has over the Note 4 doesn't do much justice. Not even for gaming. Yes the processor is faster but that's just numbers because there is no night and day difference in load times besides software optimization. Funny thing though, my wife's G2 loaded simple things at the same speeds as the Note 5 did.

Sorry but to all the people saying it's way better than the Note 4. Keep dreaming. It really is just optimizations. If those same optimizations were present in our current Roms you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Running TekHD is the equivalent of the speed of the Note 5.

And Antutu and all the benchmark stuff doesn't mean crap.

It's a great phone if you have a phone more than a year to two years old or a budget phone. It's just another phone that's overpriced if you have a phone less than a year old.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Yea you won't notice the speed doing simple task like opening or running a game most phones in the last 2 years have waaaay more than enough processing power for those things... It's when you get to the really processor intensive things like having 30 apps open all at once or streaming your game while you play it... And it's not only about sheer power its also about being able to complete the same task with less power required. It's a lot more than what you think. I understand what your saying and yes the note for is much more than adequate for anything you can throw at it.. But your sadly mistaken if you think its only optimizations!!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Correct. However I'm not saying that the added Ram and newer processor aren't a benefit to the phone.

Edit: Actually I take that back. They aren't an added factor to the phone for what Smartphones are actually needed for and used on a daily basis for. Yes technology is moving forward, but it's only doing so with the specs they are putting on these phones because they put too much into the previous one and this world has a notion of wanting too much. Said it before and I'll say it again. The Smartphone industry has become the new PC Industry! There is no need for a phone to have 4GB of Ram. Hell there is no need for a phone to have more then 2GB of Ram. My Note 4 has more power than my work laptop and this laptop isn't even slow running on Windows 7. Imagine if I could run Windows 7 on this thing, it would run laps around my laptop.

I am saying that when it comes to daily use of someone that knows nothing about hacking or rooting and all that, it's all down to software optimization. The Note 4 sucks at handling more then 4 apps because Samsung didn't do a good job at making sure TW would do the job. They tried to rely on Android's built in feature which is good on Vanilla Android, but was a bad choice especially when it comes to TW being so system deep.

I am quite glad that they learned their lesson when it comes to the Note 5. Shame that they most likely will not do the same with the Note 4 because then people won't have a need to get the Note 5.

The one thing I will give it credit on besides the specs, is that it is one beautiful freaking phone. OMG I almost bought it based on that alone but I had to pause and remember that I'm not the type of guy that goes for flashy and slightly updated specs.

I really want to get one but I just can't bring myself to do it. Not right now.

Also is it just me, or do you feel as though there's another version of the Note 5 right around the corner?

Question for you; if there is and it's better than the current version of the Note 5, would you get it?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
If and only if they make a note 5 active with sdcard expansion and removable battery would I consider it. Too many other phones worth considering coming out in the next few months.

If you have a note 4 or even a note 3 with custom rom and kernel and can't sacrifice sdcard and battery it would be better to wait and see if Sammy corrects itself or another oem steps up and shows samsuck what the people want and not just the sheep who will just buy it to have the latest and greatest.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Lmao so you're a sheep if you buy this phone. I'm glad the folks that disagreed stopped responding so we could increase the depth of this thread past simple name calling. Maybe you just want a new phone because you can afford it. It is America. Can we white Knight that post? Or better yet name calling is accepted as long as you agree with the hivemind?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Are you aware the note 5 is plague with the ram issue that is on the s6? Even the 200 dollar zenphone out performs it 3x? You can toss 8 gm of ram on that phone but if The ram is not properly used, it is useless.

I will say if anyone is on the fence should wait until that is fix. The issue was in The s6 out of the box and they released the note 5 with the same issue. Smh

It can't run 30 heavy apps without it crapping itself. Don't believe? Google

You speak of 30, it can't even do 6 ...what a joke. http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...truggle-with-multitasking-despite-4gb-of-ram/
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] SadTacoMan:
The display on the note 5 definitely looks pretty, but I'm staying with my note 4. It still works like I want it to.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I'm not noticing whatever ram issues the phones is supposedly plagued with... The most I've seen used is 68% ram..... Non of my apps take more than a MS to open unless it's the first time I'm running it after a reboot, a cache clear or a new install.... But your probably speaking off what you read and not the note 5 your actively typing on like I am I bet. You guys crack me up.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Lol there's a note 5 in my family...infact debloating it as I speak. So let not sit there like I'm speaking out of my ass heh? You crack me up [emoji1]
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
And that is a very very very true and acceptable statement!!! One I respect whole heartedly. And completely agree with!!!! You are the first person to say it quite simply!!! My issues is not with ppl like you (not that you said it was or anything I'm just saying I commend your post!) Your not here saying Samsung screwed you or they know nothing about the marked or the note5 is a downgrade or your a sheep if you upgrade.... You stating that for you (and probably most ppl I reckon) the note 4 is still adequate!! I just really have a issue with the whole the note5 is a marginal upgrade thing when its very clearly not. Or ppl who have only read about the phone giving first hand accounts about the issues the phone has lol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
I messed with it in store before deciding to purchase this device. And I could say for now I'll be holding untop my note 4. Ehh it's snappy, yes. But I'm not sold yet. I thought I was but seeing the phone and comparing it to my note 4. I kinda like my phone better. Especially the fact that I can toss this thing without worrying about the back breaking!!! Lol

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The edge+ is sexyyyy tho.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
The edge is surely sexy! Trying to convince someone to get it so I can play with it too lmao. Great device both are...but until bugs are fix I'm doing my best to stay away from personally. I'm looking to have 3 personal phone by the year...hopefully there will be an update by than....or I will wait to see how long it will take for the notes to receive android M.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
You sir or mam are most definitely speaking out of your ass (your words not mine) as I typed this I have 31 apps open more than 4 games. That I screen shotted on a fully encrypted device ( which people swear decreses performance even though this device is hardware encrypted not spftware encrypted like previous androids!) with only 80ish percent of ram being used... So maybe you have a different definitions of "crapping itself" or maybe your not using a note 5!! I'm betting the latter lmfao you crack me up good person!! .... Add to the list attaching 9 pics in XDA... Please prove me wrong with your pics or your video not a post from Google. Pics or it didn't happen as they say right?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
And u just crapped my browser lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
The beauty is definitely a double edges sword on one hand I want her naked for the world to see but on the other hand every rock is my enemy.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Shouldn't stop ya from keeping it naked. Held my note 4 naked for 5 out of the 6 months I owned it without a drop. The n5 is smaller and grasped better
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I'll take that as you admitting your wrong lol

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True but definitely more slippery from the all glass thing and a lot less unforgiving than the not 4 considering you have to worry about crack on 98% of the phone now as opposed to 48% (not including the sides in these percentage guesstimates lol)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
No wrong here. I've compared the note 5 to the g3, note 4, note 3, and 1+. I see where the note start to stagger in performance as I switch between my games. i can cover this whole browser with picctures but it wont get my point accross. Sure as hell not going to sit here and make a video lol. Let agree...to disagree.

And while we are on the discussion of naked vs clothes....what kind of case are you getting? Or you are one of those who smack an otterbox on your phone and call it sexy? lol

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Lol true true...beautiful device but gotta cover it up...I always enjoy the thinnes case I can find for my phones, will just have to do the same for my sister's note 5.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
You should probably look into exchanging yours I just did all that and seriously didn't miss a step and I have over 140 apps installed with auto sync on for all my social media and everything.... But for the case no I hate otterboc it seemed like after the evo days all their cases starters ripping on the sides or the charging port and started untucking and looking tack after about a week or dust getting underneath the screens... Right now I have a simple black casemate screen on with a kick stand. It still lets me wirelessly charge and give me protection until o can bind something sexy.(hopefully that case with the SD card slot and battery like for the s6) I also have a glass screen protector on.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
[MENTION=1432911]nique0201[/MENTION] I may just do that. I refuse to sit here with a laggy note 5 when everyone talking about how "buttery smooth" it is. The same people who said the note 4 was buttery smooth lol...the more you use the note 4, the less buttery it became lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
I remember the note 4 used to be wicked fast whenever I moved from the note 3. Was loving it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
The note 3 wasn't bad either...loved that phone omg o.o...lol. Sigh...if wasn't for Sammy late updates and the fact tmo was slow with the note 4, I really won't mind them as much.

Though does anyone think they will follow through in the monthly security update?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Yea I've gotten a security update already you can go into security in the settings and download the new security update already and the certificates

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Well I've had mine since the 15th and its still running like a champ. I've debloated it to using "package disabled pro" its a powerful tool that lets you disable anything on the phone so be careful about what your disabling. But stuff I'm not using for disabled.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I'll say I have heard of the ram issue also being on the N5, as far as looking at your recents, an application displayed in recents isn't the same as running in the memory. As in you can force close an application and it still be in recents.

Usually you can tell by if the application has to redraw when you select it from recents.