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[Verizon LG G3] iBolski:
Are you rooted and/or bumped? If you rooted and then unrooted (but didn't flash back via TOT or KDZ), then the system image is modified, even if you removed root as rooting modifies the system partition. Therefore, no OTAs will be accepted until you flash back to pure stock via TOT or KDZ.
[Verizon LG G3] lexluthor:
I'm just rooted.

I know I've accepted OTAs in the past on my LG G3 while rooted and it worked fine. I didn't even try to unroot (this time or previous times).
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Posted a link to the OTA files in [MENTION=4132606]bweN diorD[/MENTION] 's thread [REFERENCE] Stock IMG files + Stock Links & Mods.
[Verizon LG G3] iBolski:
I do believe if you were rooted going from KK to LP, it definitely didn't work and it could be this time around, if you used the new one-click root, it does the root differently to the point that it won't allow an OTA. I do remember I could update from 10b to 11c to 12b rooted as long as I had preserve root enabled in SuperSU. But, going from 12b to 23c rooted was a no-go and you had to flash back to stock. So, I'm going to chalk this up to the new one-click root method has done something that won't allow even a minor OTA from 23c to 24b to be allowed.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
My freshly flashed 23C KDZ is a quarter of the way optimizing, then I'll take the OTA and try the one-click root again. After that, I'll test reflashing the 23C KDZ once more.

Edit: Update...weird. Under JasmineROM 7.0 (no debloat or mods, but rooted), it gave me the OTA, which I then moved from it's folder. Now that I've flashed the 23C KDZ in CSE mode, now it says I have no updates. I'll reboot and try again. If I have to I'll use the Activity Launcher method to run the OTA I already downloaded.

Update 2: Haven't had any luck applying the update with the "Activity Launcher" method. FOTA starts, the phone reboots but just boots the ROM and I have a notification that it failed to update. System Updates still claims I don't have an OTA available even though I did under JasmineROM 7.0 (rooted but not debloated and not modded).
[Verizon LG G3] matty032:
I left my work WiFi, and came back. Google notifications are still working, and calls are still ringing Hangouts. MS Outlook app notifications are also working.
[Verizon LG G3] adrianbli:
I had to read this 4 times to make sure there weren't any "not" in front of "working."
[Verizon LG G3] lexluthor:
I can give that a try and see if it behaves any differently than the file I downloaded, but I doubt it. I would put this on my sdcard and then what?

So if the OTA fails on my stock/rooted phone, is there any way to get to 24B without a losing everything? If that's not available today, is that something that typically would be available at some point?
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Any KDZ doesn't need anything else other than the PC program to flash it with. Remember that it'll wipe your internal storage if you use LG Flash Tool 2014 in CSE mode (which is what you should do) so move/copy things if you want to keep them.

You can use stock ROM's LG Backup in Settings / Backup & Reset to backup all of your stuff to your external MicroSD card before flashing the KDZ, to restore after, too.
[Verizon LG G3] BillFZhu:
[MENTION=2560614]roirraW "edor" ehT[/MENTION]

I speculate that the new root method won't work on VS98524B_01.kdz either, according VS98523C_01.kdz test?
[Verizon LG G3] DeanGibson:
Clarification

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was safe to use "Normal" in place of "CSE", if the only thing you had done to stock was to root it (eg, no TWRP or CWM or boot loader mod), AND you are applying the same level/version .KDZ as is currently on the device.

In other words, a "Normal" Flash just replaces the system partition, and a "CSE" Flash puts the device in a "factory-fresh" state (all partitions replaced)?
[Verizon LG G3] bweN diorD:
flashing stock software has nothing to do with the data partition because nothing stock is flashed to data. there are wiping or formatting commands within the stock file to clean the data partition however. so all partitions in the stock file can be flashed and not disturb any data or set up files. the non-cse flash most likely flashes all partitions, and simply omits the data cleaning commands.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Put it another way, Normal flashes everything but Data, CSE flashes everything.

There are several circumstances where normal mode "may" be okay. Only trying will tell.

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[Verizon LG G3] DeanGibson:
Terminology

We have a terminology difference here, because in my understanding, when you "flash" a partition (as distinct from "flashing" a file into a partition), you completely replace its existing contents with new (possibly empty) contents.

Technically, "flash" is a noun ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory ), not a verb (I only used "Flash" in my prior message, to refer to the "LG Flash Tool"), although I know that's very common usage here on XDA.

I'm not trying to argue terminology; just trying to clearly understand to use "Normal" vs. "CSE" in the LG "Flash Tool".

So, I'll rephrase my question: "Is it safe to use 'Normal' in place of 'CSE', if the only thing you had done to stock was to root it (eg, no TWRP or CWM or boot loader mod), AND you are applying the same level/version .KDZ file as is currently on the device?" Your reply does not address that question.

In other words, I can use "Normal" to apply a KDZ file containing LG Android v5.0.1 to an LG G3 with v4.2.2 installed, but I understand that's not a good idea (eg, use "CSE" in that case). What I'm looking for, is whether it's a good idea to do that when the versions are the same, and the only modifications are to the data partition (normal user stuff) and to the system partition (rooting and the addition of busybox, related symbolic links, and other tools in /system/xbin/).

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That's what I thought, although there was some question in my mind as to whether "Normal" replaced the boot and recovery partitions (a question of curiosity, since I don't mess with them). I use "Normal" to restore a rooted device to its unrooted state ("Settings/About phone/Software info/Software status" reports "Official") at the same Android version level, when I want to keep my installed apps and settings. That appears to be safe, in my limited experience, but I wanted to check. Otherwise, I use "CSE".

As I previous reported, I reverted 23C-rooted to stock using "Normal" and then allowed the 24B OTA update, and that seemed to work just fine. The alternative of using "CSE" and then waiting for all the apps to download (as I've done before) is annoying.

It's even more annoying on my two LG GPad-8.3 tablets, where it takes a long time (hours) to download/compile/install some 50-odd apps. I'm considering unrooting both of them, and right now inertia is the only thing in my way. A new VZW update which balks (which now seems to be the pattern), will force me over the hump.
[Verizon LG G3] bweN diorD:
technically, you are not flashing the data partition, but merely wiping or formatting it.

this is easily proven by taking apart any rom, stock or not. you will never find a file in there called data, to be flashed.

:)

yes it is generally safe, as long as long as you are doing it for the reasons you explained, and not trying to fix an issue.

safe, is really a bad term for the expected outcome, its more a matter of weather or not you will have software issues from incompatible data.

the flashing process is no more or less safe, even if you were to flash a different build.

hope that helps to explain things a little better.
[Verizon LG G3] Fuse8499:
I'm in the same boat as you guys using LG Backup instead Titanium. It's so much easier. However, I do keep all of my app backups up to date on TI just in case I decide to flash an AOSP ROM.
[Verizon LG G3] ahmadaamer6:
Does this work on 24B? http://xdaforums.com/lg-g3/general/guide-root-lg-firmwares-kitkat-lollipop-t3056951 Do you have the KDZ file?
[Verizon LG G3] IndianaBond:
This is what I used and got root. Under the bold heading "Ok...Let's go!", there's a one-click root script. You can download that and double click on root.bat. Or you can follow the directions by manually entering the commands yourself. That is very, very easy. I had one problem with both routes. Both the one-click script and the manual way couldn't find the ports on my phone. I remember seeing that my port was 41 on a another program I used a while back so I went into device manager and checked my port to make sure.
[Verizon LG G3] kevlo911:
i did the 12b to OTA 23 to OTA 24b - did the new root method; took the root.

restarted a few times while installing apps and disabling vz bloat apps; then i got the LG Security error on boot.

Now im back to unrooted 24b until a better root solution is available...
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
I posted a link to the KDZ earlier in this thread. Just search this thread for KDZ and you'll find it posted by me.
[Verizon LG G3] hallstevenson:
I rooted my wife's phone weeks ago and no issues at all (she didn't know it was done) :p. A few days ago, she told me her phone is telling her an update is available but it keeps failing. I played dumb but quietly disabled the "Software Update" tool and rebooted. I haven't checked nor has she said anything, but I presume it's no longer reminding her about an update.

Anyway, I have two options now....

1) Update it to 24B and not worry about root. Does using the LG Flash Tool (flash 23C_01 KDZ) wipe the phone ?

2) Keep it rooted but get it updated to 24B. If this new root method works, great. If not, see question # 1 above. ;)
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
If you use "Normal" mode in LG Flash Tool 2014, flashing a KDZ doesn't wipe Data. If you use CSE mode, it wipes Data including Internal Storage. The problem with Normal mode is you have no idea if it'll actually not cause any problems. It might not, especially only going from 23C to 24B, but it might, so you chance having major issues to solve. You could also use the built in LG Backup, though, back it up to Internal, move it to External when done (I find backups more reliable when they're made to Internal), then if Normal mode causes problems you can Factory Reset through stock recovery, which'll wipe Data and Internal Storage, so have anything copied from Internal Storage that you (she) wants to keep.

If you want to be rooted, there's only ONE option for you. You have to flash the 12B KDZ (definitely use CSE mode in that case), then take the OTA to 23C, then another OTA to 24B. No one has reported testing the new root method after flashing the 24B KDZ directly, but I suspect it'll be just like when you flash the 23C KDZ then OTA to 24B, which is that no root methods work.

For some reason there's a difference when you start at 12B or earlier and solely take the OTAs up to 24B instead of flashing 24B directly.

After this long story, as one married guy to another, my experience has been that trying to upgrade my wife's phone has only resulted in headaches. I always get it in the end, but she's usually unhappy for a while and it's not worth it unless she's complaining about something an update would solve, like the WIFI sync problem some experience under 23C.
[Verizon LG G3] hallstevenson:
I used "aviochh's" (sp?) to root and it indicates that you can simply remove/disable SuperSU and it's fully unrooted. Is it really that simple ?

So, what you're saying is... you won't look down upon me if I simply unroot it and let it take the OTA update ? :fingers-crossed:
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Unrooted isn't the same as stock. Rooting changes the system partition and the OTA process checks that and will download the OTA, but will fail to apply because the system partition has been changed from stock 23C. If you don't want to be rooted, there's no reason to manually unroot it though. Just flash the 24B KDZ (in Normal mode to keep Data) and be done with it. It'll be unrooted when it's done and completely stock besides Data and Internal Storage.

Just trying to potentially save you a headache. Every time I get tempted to update my wife's phone I have to remind myself of what I've experienced before.
[Verizon LG G3] hallstevenson:
Yeah, you mentioned that option but with the caveat that it might not be the best, clean solution - though going from 23C to 24B is a minor change (still a 1.6 gb download though !!). I'll download it after posting this....
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Flashing a KDZ in CSE mode is the best, cleanest solution IMHO. Whenever anyone tries not to wipe Data I automatically don't consider it the cleanest solution. :)

Good luck!
[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
This is how to do it. Basically you start from scratch and take the upgrades, but you do it manually from files on your device rather than OTA. Neither I nor Warrior will answer questions about it and I'm relatively certain neither of us actually recommends that. Also be sure to read the warning three or four times before you proceed because

people have hard bricked using that method

. {Edit - To be clear, I'm not trying to be mean saying we won't answer questions, but it's really and truly better to be patient if you don't know what you're doing...it's for your own good!}

As to your second question, there is probably not a way to go to it without losing everything (other than backing stuff up, obviously). You'll probably need to wait until someone comes out with a flashable ROM and do it from TWRP if you want to try dirty upgrading. Even then with new versions like this I always install from scratch. LG Backup works great.
[Verizon LG G3] sunNsnow:
I am rooted and running Jasmine 7.0: I just got a download from Verizon and a check mark on the notification screen stating my update is ready to install. I don't see System Update in Titanium, so I'm not sure how this happened? I didn't install.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Hey, [MENTION=4936949]hokiealumnus[/MENTION]! ? Still haven't had luck applying the 24B OTA to a completely stock unrooted 23C_01 after using the KDZ in CSE mode. Tried the KDZ twice. Still tells me no update available after the KDZ, either, even though I got the update while rooted in JasmineROM 7.0.

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[Verizon LG G3] illyfilly:
i done ****ed up....

i am rooted and on 10b and froze the system update via TB. My phone is wonky lately so I decided this morning to go ahead and try the update. I unfroze the system update add via TB and it said it needs to restart the phone. So I let the phone reboot and it reboots to TWRP only. I found a fix here stuck custom recovery and it let me boot back to stock 10b. I can't take any updates.

What is one way to update to this?
[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
Bah; the KDZ must not be official 23C. I was hoping to use that one too. Either that or the update file you got is somehow corrupt? Wonder if it would be a good or bad idea to go back to 10B then using the 23B .up method and letting it OTA.

EDIT - Downloading the 23C KDZ now to try it on this end. Might as well confirm since I'm KDZ'ing anyway. Looks like that download link is straight to LG's servers, so it very well should be the official build. Weird.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
It is the official release. There was only one KDZ of 23, none for 23A, 23B, or 23C_00, only 23C_01. Now back on JasmineROM 7.0 again, it says there's no update available so I can't try downloading the OTA again. I wonder if they pulled this release.

Might as will flash the 12B KDZ and OTA to 23C, then see if the OTA I already got works, just to check your idea.

Edit. I see your update.

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DEBLOAT SCRIPTS

and copies of all the files they remove

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[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
Huh...weird. Thinking I'll hold off for more people to get it and make sure it's still being pushed. Thanks for the heads-up! Please let us know if it decides to come through again. In the mean time, I'll let the download finish. If nothing else, I'll at least have the 23C KDZ ready and waiting.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
OMG, now it it's offering the update on JasminROM 7.0 again. Back to the KDZ again.
[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
Hahaha...I eagerly await your report. :D

If you want to get started on my whole purpose for the upgrade (aside from general crack-flasher curiosity), [MENTION=1211160]HolyAngel[/MENTION] requests system, boot & modem partitions please.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
I'll make them available just as soon as I can. I may have figured out the problem with the OTA file. I can't explain why, but if I have the stock ROM (JasmineROM or the KDZ) booted and connected to the PC in MTP mode, then I tried copying the "SoftwareUpdate" folder and the 24B.up file I had placed there from the phone's internal storage to my Desktop and the PC copy errored and stopped.

If I copied the duplicate I had on my external SD it copied fine, so on the phone I deleted the SoftwareUpdate folder and then re-copied what I had copied to my Desktop, this time back to the internal storage. We'll see if this makes a difference. I'm reflashing the KDZ now, then I'll re-copy the SoftwareUpdate folder to the phone, this time from my PC Desktop and see if the OTA will apply now, then I'll see about using the one-click root, then pulling images.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
24B HAS NOT rooted with the One-Click root script. I tried the v1.3 GUI but it seemed to hang at the actual root part of the script, so then I tried the v1.2 batch file. It went through without a hitch but I have no SuperSU app.

Installing SuperSU from the Play Store says the usual message about that there is no SU binary installed and SuperSU can't install it. Doesn't look like I'll be pulling partition images anytime soon.

I'm going to try some other things including trying to get SU to stick between 23C and 24B, but there's probably not much hope without a new method.

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[MENTION=3250093]iBolski[/MENTION] , the 23C_01 KDZ flashed just fine with LG Flash Tool 2014 after previously having taken the 24B OTA. 23C is optimizing apps on it's first boot right now.
[Verizon LG G3] Rydah:
Flashing SU from twrp doesn't work? (New here, but this method works on my HTC M9)
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Have to get root on 24B first before we can get TWRP installed on it. Then we probably also need a bump'd kernel and a downgraded bootloader in order to get into TWRP.

Since 23C_01, there's no way so far to get root to stick when you take an OTA. Your system has to be 100% stock unmodified in order to take the 24B OTA. I notice that the one click root script disables SuperSU's OTA survival mode. I don't know why that is, although I would assume that it can cause problems on the official LG Lollipop ROMs. I'm going to modify the v1.2 one click root script to put SuperUser.apk into data/app instead of system/app, and to not disable OTA survival mode and see what that gets me.

I still can't get the OTA file to apply manually via Activity Launcher's option to start the FOTA EZ update, with the OTA file renamed as "24B.up" inside a folder that is itself in the root of the internal storage called "SoftwareUpdate". The ROM just reboots and it comes up as "SoftwareUpdate Fail!". Maybe they don't want people to manually update any more?

The MD5 hash of the OTA I downloaded the second time I was on JasmineROM 7.0 matches the MD5 hash of the first one I downloaded under JasmineROM 7.0.
[Verizon LG G3] Rydah:
Ah I understand. So many differences. I'm so used to being able to fastboot flash a custom recovery. Well I guess I'll continue to study how things work here, but appreciate your time and work. ?
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
You're welcome! Yeah, Samsung was relatively simple, too since someone was willing to package custom recoveries in .md5.tar files that Samsung's Odin PC program would flash, then just like you said, you just flash SuperSU from custom recovery.

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Well, rooting 23C then trying to take the OTA resulted in the expected error trying to apply the OTA. Until either the KDZ is available or another root method or modified root method pops up, I'm out of ideas.
[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
Thanks for your efforts. If you are still on 24B, is WiFi sync fixed?
[Verizon LG G3] iBolski:
Thanks for all the effort. Can you still go back to a previous version and root and bump? Want to make sure that isn't lost.
[Verizon LG G3] quadjacks:
Yes thank you so much for all your efforts. One question though, does [Root] Stump Root for LG Devices (2012 - 2014) disable SuperSU's OTA survival mode?
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
I never had the WiFi sync issue but two or three others earlier in this thread said that it appeared to fix it for them.

I was able to flash the 23C KDZ after, and also root 23C again. I didn't put TWRP back on 23C yet, I'll do that in the morning. I'll let you know.

No idea. SuperSU isn't usually installed until after Stump roots a device. Stump last worked on 10B, though. It didn't work on 12B or 23C so I doubt if it'll work here.

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and copies of all the files they remove

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@hokiealumnus
[Verizon LG G3] DigitalMD:
Try (VS985) LG G3 AutoRec-Lollipop to install TWRP.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=b007.autorecvs985
[Verizon LG G3] matty032:
Yes, the WiFi sync bug was fixed in 24B. My work ISP has no working IPv6, but after the update all Gmail, Hangouts, and Hangouts calls came through almost immediately. Also, my notifications for my works Office365 also came through. I guess LG fixed the IPv6 hang.
[Verizon LG G3] roirraW "edor" ehT:
[MENTION=4936949]hokiealumnus[/MENTION] , [MENTION=3250093]iBolski[/MENTION] & [MENTION=876904]quadjacks[/MENTION] ,

You're welcome, by the way. :D On a fresh flash and OTA to 24B I tried iRoot and Kingo Root PC programs with Admin privileges with no luck. I tried them both separately and together.

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[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
Well, at least it will sync. [MENTION=990950]matty032[/MENTION] , have you disabled WiFi via toggle, then re enabled it? If it syncs after that, they finally fixed it.

Shame we don't have root yet. Truth be told, I'd only use it to pull the .img files, change DPI and disable sharpening. Those are pretty important though!
[Verizon LG G3] matty032:
Yes, I left my work WiFi yesterday, and manually turned off and on the WiFi. Neither had any effect. Notifications continued throughout.
[Verizon LG G3] hokiealumnus:
Great, thanks.
[Verizon LG G3] iBolski:
Well I haven't been rooted since going to the LP OTA and it appears we can still flash back to a previous version to root so I took the ota. Not much of a difference but one test I can do is disable ipv6 on my router and see if the issue with Gmail goes away.
[Verizon LG G3] Scorp123:
Could you post a screen shot of your baseband version with 24b?
[Verizon LG G3] DocWalt:
The only thing I've used root for lately has been to disable ipv6. Sounds like maybe I won't need root anymore. :)