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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
You can't compare apple support to the support of any android OEM. Android is open source, apple develops all their devices and software in house. Its like night and day.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
But the ignorant masses don't give a **** about that. They just know that Apple supports their devices so much better than Samsung. Perception is reality. There's no reason Samsung couldn't support their devices longer if they wanted to, especially the newer devices. They just don't want to.

They're after the same customers as Apple so its fair to compare device support.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
So what I get from what you are saying is that you can compare apple support to Samsung support because that is how it is perceived ?

Completely ignoring the fact that there are two different hardware/software paths involved between android and apple.. OK.. The reality is you cannot compare the two in the context of why can't one perform like the other.

Also what I am hearing is that Samsung is after apple customers, I'm pretty sure everyone is after everyone's customers. You would be low balling yourself if you didn't make an attempt at taking customer base from another manufacturer.

Apple has it's base because of a few things, simplicity, very little change, very little fragmentation, unified GUI, no brand confusion (familiar interface and functionality across platform). All things that are inherent problems in ANDROID. Not caused by Sammy.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
what I'm saying is you are in .01 percent that cares or knows about what you just said. just like customers don't know what sd cards are, they don't know or care why Apple support is so much better, just that it is.

you say you shouldn't compare the two, i say its being done regardless. the reality is that Apple support is much better and thats what customers see thus the blind brand loyalty.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
If the customer sees that they are supported better by Apple than Android, why do you call it blind loyalty?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
ok...call it brand loyalty if it suits you. Apple supports their products and customers know it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Jammol:
Blind or Brand doesn't really matter anyways. It's the same reason why there are so many people here on XDA saying that the Note 5 is an upgrade over the Note 4. It's all because it's new. Just because something is new, doesn't mean it's an upgrade. Note 5 is not an upgrade to the Note 4. It shouldn't even be classified as being in the Note series. Lets just call it an experiment that went wrong and Samsung is most likely going to hope it goes on the hush hush. Then again, there are blind/brand Samsung supporters out there that will buy it regardless of what features the device does not have. Those are the people that just want the newest thing out there just so that they can say they have the newest thing out there. Kind of like those people that buys the newest version of the car they just bought a year ago just so they could have it. Dumbest way to spend money even if you are rich.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] lvnatic:
I understand people that travel by public transport for hours every day, I understand their need for different SD cards with all kinds of TV show collections, movies and so on. What I really can't and will never understand is why the hell do you use a phone for that?

No matter how big of a phablet it is, it will never compare to a tablet or even one of these new notebooks from Microsoft with touch screens.

Regular people don't use more then 64 GB on their phones. Hell, I got 32 and I never even got close to filling it up. Do you know why? Because I have a tablet for multimedia and games.

I use my note mostly to memo important to do stuff and I pin them as widgets on my secondary screen.

There is no to-do app that could do this for me on the play store. It's also got a generous screen to browse the Internet and that's really all I need. I'll be keeping the note 3 for another year because mine is still in very good condition and runs very well with the latest lollipop and then I will consider upgrading to the note 6, which most likely won't have SD card slot and removable battery features as well.

And I'll be totally fine with it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Yeah there is a difference between brand loyalty and blind loyalty.. For instance people will buy Beats headphones simply because of the name and perceived level of quality when in actuality there are head phones that out perform them in price and sound but arent as flashy or note worthy. I buy skull candy because the price is decent and their life time warranty program is effective.

Ultimately who is anyone to judge who buy what or why.. I sit here and listen to folks talking about buying another Note 4 just to have one like its going to be some type of cellular antique one day worth its weight in gold. Some one likes something, then they buy it. Heck I would think it silly to buy a Note 5 after the 4 even if it did have an upgraded processor and still had SDcard and removable battery. But now there is all this undue hate.

Don't really see a point in knocking folks because they want a new phone. I guess my question at this point is okay you lose an IR blaster, sdcard (which may or may not have been used), and removable battery (which again may or may not have been used). What can you say about the software? Last years reviews of the Note 4 over the 3 called it mostly a marginal upgrade.. Is it so surprising that this is also a marginal upgrade compared to the 4?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
Say What?

HUH????? :cool:

When you picked up the Note 4 to evaluate it before purchasing it.... Or, within your 14 Day Return Period, if you felt it needed "Fixing"...why did you not move on to something else or return it?

And the *20 MILLION* consumers that purchased Brand New Note 4's worldwide bought what they felt was a "Poor Performing" device? :cool:

Custom ROM's "Enhance" the experience.. with ANY device.. *Side effects include making a fast Note 4 even faster*

20 Million or so consumers disagree with your personal eval of the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. :cool:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
You missed the context of my statement. It was in response to someone saying lag is a moot point because of the ROMs in the dev section.

Edit: That someone was you. Yet you still missed the context.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
It's not going to fly.

And the people rolling their eyes at the outage, unable to understand it.....I say this.

The Note was supposed to be a different kind of phone. Always.

So what exactly is the Note now? And this is the point. The Note gives itself no reason to buy it. Is not that internal storage doesn't work (although there's not ENOUGH of it).

Try plugging your phone into all sorts of equipment whenever you need to transfer data.

It's not practical, it's not safe, and in many cases is just not allowed.

The point is, a card is innocuous and convenient. Now you've confined the Note 4 to itself and pushed that function onto a usb flash disk.

You may as well use any other phone out there. I don't get it. Why buy the Note 5?

Look for a reversal next release, it won't fly.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
When did the note 5 release? I thought only the galaxy s 6+ and iPhone 6s released, surely not the next note tho....
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
You say this is for the people that don't understand. Then go on about "this is what made the note different". The sdcard? That tons of other phones also still have.. Not the pressure sensitive stylus, the floating windows, adjustable split screen, the various spen functions, the floating video player, being able to highlight and copy and paste any text on the screen, the 8 directional mic for recording meetings and such, being able to write on the screen without ever turning it on..

Understanding what an sdcard does isn't exactly rocket science. But it does the device no justice if that is what people think defines its ability to stand out.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
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"...Try plugging your phone into all sorts of equipment whenever you need to transfer data..."

This is the point I'm trying to make. With an sd card you merely pop it out and plug it in wherever you need it. Without one, you must first download to a disk OR plug your phone into the equipment.

Everything else except the stylus is available on any other phone, besides other features.

It would not have taken too much to leave an sdCard slot on the machine. In fact, I reckon they will.

They will have to.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
This is akin to the sales approach when charging mats came out (buy this hundred dollar mat because micro USB ports are impractical and poorly designed).

Or even one of those infomercials where they make some mundane task seem impossibly difficult. I have a thumbdrive with USB on one end and micro USB on the other. I move my files, unplug and go on with my life. Not to mention just using the cable seems to work fine.

And yes, again I get how/why sdcards work, if moving files is your only issue, removing the SDcard is a bit more tedious is it not?

I dunno maybe I am crazy but if its that serious I can leave my device alone for however long it takes to move the info from my machine or my thumbdrive to my phone. Rather not pull the case, to pull the back, to then pop out the memory.

Of course my main point previously was that the sdcard isn't what made this phone different. Maybe more convenient.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
But in Android M they're encrypting SD so you can't do that anymore
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
The way I read this is the only requirement is that the non removable sdcard partition be encrypted. Not the removable one.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
There encrypting both to act as one internal storage, so yes you would have much more added internal but would need to format it again for it to be used as anything else.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
Ultimate Test Drive

"Samsung offering iPhone owners a Galaxy Note 5 to 'Test Drive' for 30 days"

'nuff said!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
lol Anyone still have any questions why Samsung is compared to Apple? Samsung does it themselves and people here ask why? Samsung wants to be like Apple. Doomed for failure though since their support is complete crap.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
Only thing Samsung had going for them was the removable battery and sdcard, two very big reasons why people stayed with Sammy and didn't abandon them all this time. some of my iPhone having friends actually did try Sammy and stayed with them because of the customization of android and Samsungs decision (back then) to keep those features.

Now all Samsung has done is cripple and gimp there note line and bloat it up with their same TouchWiz UI, Sammy isn't winning any apple customers there probably just pointing their fingers and laughing at them because Samsuck became who they hated most & @ least iPhone users can rely on their phones being updated and supported longer than Sammy would.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Lol they want to be like apple because they are trying to lure in new business by stealing their customer. Lol okay that makes sense. This whole fanboy logic (lack of) is silly..

They are a OK until they remove SD cards and batteries. Now you all start screaming about them wanting to be apple.

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You are saying TW has gotten worse on the Note 5? Also aside from no sdcard, battery, and ir blaster, how exactly does the device qualify as "crippled"?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
It will be cripple when it's dropped on its glass back lol and crippled it's customers from buying it or even wanting to buy it with its gimped features.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
I think the note 5 was a bold and intelligent move. Although I'm sure Samsung believes, and most of us, consider ourselves to be valued customers, apple enthusiasts are the holy grail of customers. And if market research shows that this highly coveted section of the consumer market wants stability and predictable performance, in a sleek and slender unibody frame, than who can blame them? Blame your friends and family for faithfully contributing to apple's healthy market share. Blame apple for brilliant marketing anda solid strategy for customer retention... but don't blame Little Finger for pimping a Stark or two in an effort to dethrone the king.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
You just can't put a glass back on a device, charge exorbitant prices for internal memory, remove many desirable features and expect to become just like Apple. Samsung would also have to stand behind their products for years and years. Unless this is part of their brilliant new strategy then it won't work and in the process they've alienated many current customers (hello European Note 5 owners :) oops, there won't be any)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
So for this bold and intelligent move to be successful, Samsung must gain more than they lose.. Can they achieve success by offering a seemingly familiar device without the backoffice? Apple supports their "stuff" longterm. Longterm Samsung support is achieved through XDA's various development sections. Thanks to XDA and it's developers!!!

Trick question: In my household I have an iPad from 2011 with the latest greatest software updates and a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition. Guess which one is still officially on Jelly Bean?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Warrior1975:
I doubt your iPad is running Android, so I'm going to go out on a ledge and guess your Galaxy Note is officially running jelly bean? :D

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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Guess which manufacturer builds software and hardware under one roof. And which one doesn't. You are making a android problem seem exclusively Samsung. Unless you are a nexus device or mostly vanilla don't expect long term support.

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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Not making it easy is one thing, intentionally breaking your phone is another.

If Samsung wants to win Apple customers, they'll have to support their devices. Its not just about hardware. No lame excuse about Google/Android/Samsung mix is going to work on the 99.99 percent of customers outside of XDA. Stopping support after one year is inexcusable and won't win any converts.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Market trends that pave the way for "any time upgrades" and new models every year, with incremental upgrades over lapping and you think the major selling point for a consumer is will my phone still get updates three years down the line? Lol okay. Keep drinking that koolaid. Name me a manufacturer that supports none nexus devices for three years. Not service patches but actual os upgrades. Not defending Sammy but be realistic in your assessment of the market. Omg Sammy is the cellular Hitler when they remove sdcards and batts.. Lol but until you knew about that you were complicit it following right on their coat tails. The short sightedness to prove what, Samsung is bad, is astounding.

You must be new here. Welcome to android. Nothing is promised.

Also willfully using a device in a manner not intended by the manufacturers leaves the consumer at fault. Again the ruling on jail breaking was in whether or not legal action could be persued when tampering.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tommason1968:
I got the phone yesterday, and compared to the stock,out of the box note 4 this is much better. This phone has absolutely no lag whatsoever, everything works extremely well. The fingerprint scanner is spot on. Of all the things that are not on the phone , surprisingly the IR blaster is missed the most.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
Congrats. Enjoy. My wife's unit is on the way. Maybe you guys can convince me to downgrade. Just kidding! Unwad all underwear.

... but history reveals what is probable and the Note 4 is on pre-backburner status.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Overreact much? No one has called Samsung evil, most of us think they've been making bad decisions since they've struggled for so many consecutive quarters. And the discussion was on Samsung wooing Apple customers. They expect long term support, short of that, Samsung will fail. Maybe Apple doesn't promise anything, but they certainly deliver.

Not even sure what you mean by riding their coattails. I own a Note 4 and I rode Samsung's coattails? How? They had a product that had what I wanted, the Note 5 doesn't and I won't buy it.

I guess you're an expert on the law to say its legal for them to intentionally break your phone which you've paid for. I don't know but its certainly another reason to stay away from Samsung in the future given that a lot of us are on XDA because we like to root and install custom ROMs.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
The simple fact that problems inherent in android are blamed on Samsung are pretty evident of your intent.

Yes everyone can agree in their bad decisions yet no one made mention of their falling numbers until the hissy fit over the Note 5. Heck the falling numbers are often used as some loose trend of failure to further the argument against the design decisions in the Note 5. Funny thing is 7 quarters means even the beloved Note 3 and 4 couldn't save them from what was happening.

Then oh my, they are attempting to lure customers from apple. Bullet proof evidence they want to be apple. Lol yes because they should he trying to lure customers from where? HTC, lol okay.

As far as being a legal expert what part of you incur whatever consequences of improper operation don't you understand. If anything I'm not defending them but instead correcting your incorrect assumption that the ruling on Jail breaking/Rooting was about allowing us to do such when it was about whether or not the act itself was illegal.. I didn't know reading and comprehension was all it took to make me a legal expert but oooook..

Maybe you should blame the carriers that request these locked down bootloaders.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
They have not alienated you guys. Grow up!! They're moving on with their design. For the last 4 years they had removable battery and sd.. It can be said they alienated the people who don't like that stuff. There are two sides to every coin. If you don't like it move on... Crying and saying your going to keep your note 4 doesn't matter... Guess what Samsung made the note 4 so that helps their market share so they still win!! This thread is annoying
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
lol i know i was like that too whent i first saw it, now that its out and all honestly i can live wuthout the 3 things i was tripping about. the future is you keep moving foward.. not backwards im looking foward to the super fast ddrm4 ram!!! getting mine next week lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
Right. And just get the bigger memory. And use the cloud. People are mad at Samsung because they don't have unlimited internet or WiFi... Not Samsung's problem.. the real battle should be with the big 2 charging for data the way they do. That's perfectly OK to you ppl buy if Samsung removes sd cards its a issue. And then ppl complain well what if I'm on a trip but probably ain't traveled in 3 years.. If your in a trip why not actually enjoy the trip andinimize the phone time. This thread is so annoying lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
lol Netgear Nighhawk every device has its own 60mbps steady no matter how many things i got connected 100%faster in gaming, mobile phones and everything in between. i aint worried about data i have unlimited (even though 4g sucks in some places) 1TB on dropbox. im gucci just neeed the phone lmao,
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
You people are still crying about this? LOL

I refuse to go back and read a single page so it may have already been posted, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for the note 5 to have an SD card. The memory controller is not compatible with external SD cards. There is no way for the memory controller to talk to an SD. The note 5 has much improved memory than the previous generation, it is much faster, with that came some sacrifices. Technology moves forward and sometimes that means other "features" get left behind.

As far as the removable battery, there are 6 different ways you can charge the note 5, pick one or four and figure it out.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] derrickmd18:
I don't care about the memory or the battery I'm not getting it because of them removing the ir blaster
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Regardless of what anyone says, they have alienated a lot of their customers. Do you think all the European Note 4 owners will buy another Samsung product automatically? I'm willing to be that half move on to another manufacturer. Plus, those keeping the current Note 4 does nothing to help Samsung, they get no more money from those customers. Heaven forbid, they might even expect Samsung to update the device for more than a year.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I'm willing to bet Samsung knows more about their markets and sales approach than you do.

Let's see. Less money spent manufacturing phones and no advertising budget for those markets not receiving the phone. Seems they are playing towards their bottom line. And if the note line didn't sell well in the EU then why not save some money. Sorry if it alienates a few people but should they continue to ship phones where they aren't selling just to give a few folks a warm and fuzzy??

Then people can turn around a blame internal batteries for bad numbers. Lol. Makes all the sense in the world.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jyan_osu:
It seems to have done better than the 3 in Europe and North America.

http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...-sales-surpass-note-3-u-s-western-europe.html
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Warrior1975:
I seriously doubt Samsung chose to alienate their customers in anyway. Either it wasn't making money there or it's having a delayed release for whatever reason. They definitely aren't doing it to spite anyone.

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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
To be fair it was an estimate that it would eventually outsell the Note 3 (phone had only been out three months at the time of this article), not to mention the bulk of the sales were from Asian countries with the EU not taking priority.

So almost ten months later can you assume the assumptions made 2-3 months after release could have changed.. Not to mention these are estimates and not actual numbers from an earning statement. AKA tech news clickbait.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
I know Samsung didn't want to spite their customers and I don't think anyone said that but they will lose many of their Note 5 customers (maybe alienate isn't the best word) with the abandonment of the European Note 5 market. According to Samsung, the reason for no European note 5 is that they don't use the stylus, not a delayed launch. Samsung probably thinks they'll just move on to the 6edge but many won't.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
But if Samsung said that it's because the spent thousands to millions in marketing and R&D and studies to KNOW that.... You on the other hand bought your note 4 and your just guessing what it is you believe.m. that's the issue we all have with you guys and your factless issues.