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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
^ This pretty much sums up everything. As if Samsung would care what whinners on xda think lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Cerv3r:
They're in it to make money. . Not to make people happy. .. losing xda members but gaining I phone users.

They'll gain more than lose
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Out of curiosity, what makes you sure they'll gain more Apple customers than lose current Note 4 customers? Its just not XDA members they're losing in spite of what you read on XDA. Most Apple users I know are happy with Apple for reasons other than just a pretty phone. They like the ecosystem as well as the support Apple provides long after they purchase their Apple products. Samsung's past performance in supporting their products is dismal. Don't you think Apple customers are aware of that?

Unless you have a monopoly (like Comcast has in much of the US Internet) you have to make your customers happy in order to keep them. The mobile phone industry is robust and has many options. Apple keeps their customers happy.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
Apple users might be sheep but there not completely stupid lol. Whereas apple is the wolf herding them but providing timely updates and support, Samsuck is the poser sheep dressing up as a wolf trying to herd iphone sheep to their side, but the iphone sheep can see where samsuck forgot to zip up a part of their wolf costume and laugh and spit in fart in samsucks failed attempt and continue on being the iphone sheep they are.

SAMSUCK WILL LOSE PLENTY!!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
Expressing your anger here does not reflect the reality...just saying.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Anger is being displayed on both sides of this argument. Surprisingly even by those that have the Note 5 and keep coming back to this thread.

What reality are you referring to?

-If you're referring to the fact that Samsung has removed features that some customers like then fine. They removed those features.

-if you're referring to Samsung gaining more Apple customers than losing Samsung customers then that remains to be seen. Given the fact that they dumped a continent of Note users, I'd be willing to bet they lose more than gain.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] DPMAce:
Good post. I agree with you!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
FTFY
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I own both devices now and I have to say I am fairly happy. The Note 4 is awesome and from a developmental tinkerer point a little more versatile. Obviously the functionality of the barometric pressure sensor and ir blaster is missing so yeah there is that.

I tried my hardest to use the built in app for that ir blaster but it was just too cumbersome when I could just get my arse up and get my remote. Now I just can't screw around with the tvs in Buffalo Wild Wings.

What I have noticed as I went through the root and ROM process is how many people don't know about the button combinations for hard power down that have existed since honeycomb in Android.

It's getting harder and harder to go back to my Note 4 because seriously out the box this thing is faster and I am very objective about people and their superficial "swipe through the app drawer" test to check for lag. I'm very glass half empty but the performance difference between my stock N5 and my N4 on pop rocks quite noticeable.

Screen sensitivity is improved with both the pen and finger touches. I do miss having a larger bezel to avoid accidental touches but the trade off is a phone that has a large screen with a footprint that makes one handed use feel more natural and not a balancing act if you don't have larger hands.

The finger print scanner is better in the sense you don't have to swipe. It learns your finger print and will scan it from any angle. It's been less forgiving if my fingers have been wet.

The speed and responsiveness of the camera is also awesome.

My biggest take away is the camera, overall speed. It is stingy on ram but even when the applications are closed they still open fairly quickly.

I'm happy with my decision but for folks on the fence you may as well wait it out if you are on the 4.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
What exactly did you fix for me on my post?!?!

Is this not a Samsung Note 4 thread??

You think I care about what other companies are doing with their phones? NO! I love my note 3 & 4

Do I have a right to be pissed off that samsuck abandoned sdcard and replaceable battery? YES!

Do I care about what other Android oems are doing? NO!

Is Samsuck a sheep jealous of all the iphone users? YES!

Will they gain any iphone users from the note 5 release? Hell No!!

Are Apple laughing there asses off at Samsuck for becoming what they hated all this time? Of course!

I don't care if any of you think the note 5 is better than the note 4 just like you don't care if I say the note 4 is better than the note 5, it's my opinion and many others I'm sure that Samsuck screwed up big time and will lose plenty of potential customers for ditching out sdcard support and removable battery/ir blaster for a more premium feeling phone smfh!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Love deep analytical discussion, whatever your point is good for you. Im proud of you =)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] darekz:
Sony announced today Z5 Premium with 4k display! Time to wait for first reviews and maybe Samsung wakes up and introduce Note 5 Special + Global edition with 4k display and sd card (or 128 meg version if they can't solve problem with memory controller working with their latest memories and classic sd card)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] steven.rn:
I can't even imagine how angry you'd be if you were stuck on a Verizon Note 4. I could bash my head in for not going T-Mobile on this one. Unrootable write-protected slave collar piece of junk on that network. And the Note 5 on VZW or ATT? Rooting bricks them. I'm so steamed I'm looking at getting an old candy bar or flip phone.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
Man....

I do feel for you guys on Verizon and ATT with their locked down bootloaders (should be illegal for those companies to do that) I know you guys that use their service probably don't have a choice tho.

Ever since I got the android addiction and learned (thru xda) about those 2 evil corporations locking down their phones I steered clear of them, sprint and tmobile were the only 2 that had unlocked bootloaders thus making root easier to achieve /sold
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
I was one of those people not to happy about Samsung's decision to make the Note 5 more like their S line. I've gotten over it. My Note 4 will last me another year easily. I'm not one to care about
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
If 64 gigs is a problem for you.. In what backward world is 128 megs acceptable?? ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] darekz:
Double the size is always acceptable in any world . If S6 could be made in 128 version, why not Note 5? If I have large music collection, why I cannot keep it locally instead using cloud and large amount data plus all that data transfer will drain not replacement battery faster. Give us an more options Samsung and maybe you will sell more phones.

You are probably a Note 5 user. Can you share some informations? How large is picture file in RAW format, how large is 15 long video file in 4k? Just wonder how many can fit instead to memory before needs to be offloaded onto external memory?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
... Petty
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
... plus

"Sony claims that the phone has a battery life of up to two days, thanks to its 3430 mAh battery, which Sony has managed to squeeze in by using an extra-thin display panel, and its display memory technology, which remembers the image on the display and caches it, so you don’t need to reload it each time – preserving battery power in the process."

I don't know how to believe this but since I have been encouraged to explore new avenues, it is definitely a finalist for my next flagship.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I don't think you realized I was trolling you because you said 128 MEGS as in megabytes which is over a little less the 64000 x smaller than 64 GIGS as in gigabytes.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] DPMAce:
I saw a patient today that was one of the high level experts that works for apple.

Even she admitted that apple products are not for everyone. People that are good with computers, people that like to customize, and enjoy upgrading their existing electronic, pretty much never buy apple products.

She also had the best health care insurance we had ever seen. Most likely because apple charges a higher premium for their devices and apps, and all this trickles down to their employees.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
What's that have to do with the topic?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] YarsRevenge78:
Are we to infer that the missing features on the Note 5 are an effort by Samsung to provide better healthcare benefits?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
He was talking about an apple employee.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] YarsRevenge78:
I know. I was trying to comicly explain the offtopicness. Never mind tho.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
The real iPhone will be announced today.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dbpaddler:
I'm late to this thread, but I'm tired of people telling others how they should use their phone. Personal devices. Different strokes for different folks. Use your phone as you see fit and don't tell others how they should use theirs. I've been eying up the 128gb card. I teach fitness classes where I have music from different releases dating back 6+ years. I make mixes of them to teach a class. I have notes on all of them and I keep videos of many of them as well for quick review. I keep downloaded videos to watch either on the phone or screen mirroring. They tend to be a gig or larger. Tivo can now download instead of stream. Xfinity can do the same.

I haven't even gotten into all my work files... Invoices, pricing, product info, technique guides and videos and so on.

Why would I want to micromanage what's on my phone all the time? Why would I want to spend hundreds of dollars more when a 128gb card is $50?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
I'm not telling ppl what to do. I'm saying if you want the note5 or what looks like is becoming the norm in advancing tech the cloud is where you should maybe utilize. If you don't want to by all means do what works for you. I am sick of hearing all the crying about why Samsung should have kept it one way as you say "different strokes for different folks" I like the smoothness the faster data controllers added. Why should I have a less smooth performance.ing phone because you require a sd card could be my argument. Samsung did what they did to ensure the smoothness operating phone their test could produce for general consumer launch. It may revert back it may not. But of you guys can spew your hate and disjustice rants I can spew my love and "maybe you should do it this way" rants. And your literally in a thread telling Samsung what they should have did. It's not diff than me telling you what you should have did.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dbpaddler:
Yes, because the memory was the bottleneck and the source of all the lag.... And 32gb on board wasn't enough to ensure a smooth running operating system. Not to mention your 64 or 128gb phone isn't user accessible, so it's not like you're getting to use what the stated storage is.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I think my biggest gripe in the discussion are the people that set out these very specific scenarios where they would need to fill up 128gb on their device and cite that as the reason why this is a bad move for the company over all. Some folks need to realize they have specific usage needs that don't always reflect the majority of consumers. If the limited storage doesn't work for you then sure, thats great. But if you are projecting your out of the norm use-case on to the whole mobile market you are assuming quite a bit.

It goes both ways though, when people are arguing against external storage and saying we can stream everything. That is also not a feasible option for everyone so it's small minded to assume as much.

User storage is the source of lag? It doesnt help to have a full device but RAM has more affect on a device's performance than free storage. Especially when you are talking flash memory. Ive had 8gb Nexus devices that were full as a tick that were less laggy than 32gb devices out of the box.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
This may not be the case for the ir blaster, but it seems fairly obvious to me that the removal of SD card and battery from the note lineup is a departure from Note's original purpose and target market. The note was originally targeted at the road warrior professional that needed instant access to his/her electronic files and documentation. Removable SD allows the user quickly and reliably swap docs, files, etc. The removal battery allowed for a quick solution to a dead battery. Although none of the above mentioned are necessary for the average user, the note was never, until recently, intended for the average user. We will have to wait for earnings reports to get a better idea of Samsung's business acumen. For me- I understand the decision and I acknowledge the courage needed to stand behind such a possition, but I don't think it was the best decision this time around.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
It feels like most of the folks griping about the changes think Sammy made a shot in the dark. I can't help but to think that in all that diagnostic data that these devices send back to Sammy there would be some kind of details about how people use the device.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
Sounds like the Note 4 is the perfect phone for you due to its memory card slot and you should stick with it. The Note 5? Not for you, no memory card slot. For the rest of the world we will continue enjoying the Note 5.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] rosedog:
Who is this "we" business.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
Every single person outside of this crybaby thread lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] rosedog:
Yet...here you are...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
Yep posting from my Note 5 that I have been enjoying for over a month :D

With as much intelligence that there is in this thread I don't see any reason why you guys cant just design a new memory controller that can support external SD card support. And while you're at it engineer a new chassis for the phone to allow a removable battery. You'll be rich! And most importantly this thread will cease to exist lol

I hope this thread is still here and you guys are going strong 4 years later, talking about the same things, posting from your old beat up Note 4's because no new phones came out with a memory card slot.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dbpaddler:
I have no desire for a new phone for another year anyway, but the main point was people need to stop telling others how to use their device. You get what works for you, period. Doesn't really matter to me if people need the slot or not. They are personal devices for a reason.

And many say 128gb because the cards are fairly cheap now. But even if the need is 64gb, to get it on board is still a jump in price compared buying a card. And for many, we have existing cards already we would just swap over. Plus the cards are pure storage. 64gb and 128gb on board are not all available to the user.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
In my opinion (and many others on numerous sites) Samsung has lost sight of who their customers are in order to pursue the Apple customers. I guess since Apple keeps posting 40% profit increases while Samsung profits continue to drop they are getting desperate. The Chinese are making huge inroads on the lower end devices while Apple is kicking their butts on the high end.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
The Note 5 design has nothing to do with Apple. You guys all cried BETTER BUILD quality, well they gave us what we wanted. They gave us the "premium" materials. With that comes a sacrifice of the removable battery.

You guys all cried THE NOTE 4 IS SLOW, we want the best hardware. They gave us the best 64bit Processor they could create. This processor, chipset, and memory controller are incompatible with external memory cards. There's nothing that can be done about that at this time.

If you want something to complain about, complain about the missing IR sensor. Now that one makes absolutely no sense. The rest at least have explanations.

You cry when they don't give you what you want, you cry when they try to give you what you want. There's no way to make you people happy.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] AcemanX:
pfff guess you were wrong

oh? there will be a 128gb option mr smart ass? You were saying? 64GB is the biggest they're releasing, so yea the 128GB microsd card I have won't fit in it now will it mr know it all? Face it, there's no reason to remove sd card, good luck with your phone when something happens and all your photos and data are gone, at least with microsd theres a chance it will survive and I can just plug and play, remove it, add it here, there's no argument for its removal
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
Welcome to 4 weeks ago pal. You're extremely late to the party and then has been talked about a million times. Sorry no 128. Lol you're screwed, your life is over, you won't be able to move on from this one. And what does the fact that they aren't offering a 128gb version have to do with your stupid memory card that wouldn't fit anyway lol You make it sound like you would have been able to use it, when you could have not.

No reason to remove the SD card? Are you brainless or just blind? I've already mentioned twice today why the coveted SD had to be taken out. Can you read? Are you having someone read this post to you because you're unable to read? Check over my posts again and then proceed to refrain from posting ever again. Thanks.

PS every single item on my phone is backed up to the cloud. Again, welcome to 5 years ago. It's what people with brains have been doing to protect their data.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] XxLostSoulxX:
Sorry to barge in bug going to stop you there. Here's a lovely scenario for you.

Oh my internet went out.....no more data to retrieve or upload to. Oh the server is down...same thing, I'm sorry but I have more faith in my External HDD or SSD that will always be available so long it doesn't crash, but that's only one downfall of mechanical drive or flash drive access. However the Cloud(internet) too many things can factor in and not being able to have your data. Security, Speed, bandwidth, I could go on and on about that situation. All in all, Storage wins that argument. Now of course having the Cloud as an alternative backup is a good solution as well, but should be considered second in line for backing up purposes.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] seh6183:
Another person that either doesn't have eye balls or doesn't know how to use them. BACKED UP ONLINE means there is a BACKUP of the original data (which is available offline at anytime on the device) stored ONLINE in case of the disaster the poster mentioned.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] XxLostSoulxX:
Backed up online does not mean original is stored anywhere.... Hey ever thought oh hey I backed it up online, so now I'll delete it on my storage so I have room or don't need it on my storage anymore because I have it online somewhere..... I can read but do realize there a lot of people like that, they back it up somewhere then delete the original.

Now I already understand why Samsung chose the route the chose, I'm not arguing on that fact.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nique0201:
It wasn't only it . but its no secret that onboard memory is a lot faster than than external memory at everything. Which is why devices with only built in memory typically benchmark higher than the equivalents with external sd's

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The purpose of the note line was never a external sd... It's just Samsung phones had sd cards on every line. The notes purpose was cutting edge screen and S-Pen and top of the line specs. The SD card was there but not a "note thing" it was a Samsung thing.... And you are very very foolish to believe that Samsung mad e a device that cost them money for a "small demographic" from the day the note was conceived it was always expected to take off.. Because you know the way business works, you make and market products you can sell to as many people as possible. But maybe that's my masters in business and marketing talking. Anyway I get what your saying but I think the "road warrior professional" is advanced in using the cloud and all technology available to them to aid in their professionalism. We are in a high-speed always connected world. If you think Samsung is gonna cater to the small percentage of ppl who for some reason don't have the means to use the cloud and the ones who need a SD for when they're in Walmart and don't have signal then your mistaken and thats the literal bottom line. As indicated by the release of the note 5
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dito33:
I wonder if the phone comes with SD slot but you don't have any card in there, would the phone perform slow or will be the same as it wouldn't have SD card slot?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dbpaddler:
I'd like to see some of these benchmarks. I can't imagine that being true.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I couldn't agree more about SD cards not being what defines this phone. Not even because I purchased a note 5 because an SD card has never touched my note 4. For as much as this device does and soon as you remove the SD card now it's not a Note? Lol then you aren't using your device to its fullest potential and really don't need a note if you think that expandable storage was the defining component.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ahq1216:
yeah, just got the note 4 last week when my s5 crapped out on me. I understand they wanna provide a more premium feel; but, for me not at the expense of expandable storage. A couple of phones are dropping that look and feel premium and still carry a micro SD card slot.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JawjaBill:
The purpose of the 5 is to compete with the iPhone. The 5 is now smaller than the new 6S plus but with a larger screen. Well done Sammy. Now let's see if the converts outweigh the refugees.

Sent from Samsung's Last Real Flagship
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
Its more likely Apple will gain more Samsung customers than vice versa, especially from the millions of European Note owners. Any strategy that assumes those customers will simply move to other Samsung products is foolish and will backfire on Samsung.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
I realize the consequence of taking the bait and feeding the troll but so many things irk me about the above comments.

If this is what you took from my statements, with a "masters in business and marketing," you should be seriously disappointed in your alma mater. I don't think anyone here ever indicated that the purpose of the note line was an sd card. How you could make such an inaccurate deduction from the comments made completely eluded me until I realized that a healthy troll rarely misses a chance to mischaractize, provide circular reasoning, or use fallacies to make his point.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] tsdsbrk:
lol...lets see how long before the self appointed moderator with an overinflated sense of his worth comes in to chastise you for calling out a troll. Funny thing is, he only chastises those on the opposite side of what he believes. Trolls can say whatever they want but he never calls them out.