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[Off-topic] l3v5y:
My Prophet has Music (thanks to A_Cs wonderful S2P, it's like the iPhone), a touch screen (which, no matter what Apple say, they did not invent), and can run a far large amount of software on it, without stuff having to go through Apple first. Oh, and I can flash ROMs! :)

EDIT:

And, I can copy/paste, browse files, take videos and even send MMS messages! :)
[Off-topic] orb3000:
LOL

well said mate!
[Off-topic] richardlai:
Underclocked: well, I don't see the need to do so cos I'm not that hardcore anyway, but this is a valid point.

You do realise you can install a third party app (e.g. Summerboard) to change the homescreen on the iPhone (if that's your point)? Not that I change it often these days.
[Off-topic] richardlai:
Now THAT'S hilarious! I just hope she didn't get fired because of this.
[Off-topic] richardlai:
Totally agree. It's a pointless video on the whole unless he can show that it's THAT particular wallpaper that crashed the iPhone.

Plus I hope the kid sold the "faulty" iPhone so that someone could have picked it up cheap and easily fix it. (DFU mode FTW)
[Off-topic] richardlai:
You mean competition? Definitely. Mio and HP have both gone quiet in the last few months, so HTC needs a poke on the back from someone.

And of course, without the iPhone we wouldn't have this thread! ;)
[Off-topic] richardlai:
Whilst we appreciate the fact that WinMo already has a large software database, the iPhone also has a good hacking community as well, and they make loads of nice apps too.

But yes, I do miss the good old ROM-flashing days on my HTC devices, even though it could be a pain in the arse sometimes.

Copy/paste, video recording: this is what I am majorly pissed off about Apple - they don't give a damn about what customers want!

MMS: meh. Never used it in my life. Same with a lot of people that I know.
[Off-topic] raghu13uk:
The so-called user-friendly iPhone is finally launched in India (officially) yesterday (I hated even the iPod for its user-non-friendliness). There are hardly any Apple service centers in India.

Some of my friends are mad about buying one as soon as possible. I am advising them to know the device carefully before buying that. (No third party s/w, fixed battery - something happens to battery the device is no better than a brick, no keyboard, over price, no video recording)

I understood, only those who doesn't know anything about the current technology will buy that crappy device.
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Here in Mexico the Iphoney phenomena it´s irritating.....

I attached the price and plans for this, just compare it with the ones you have in your countries

I bet there is no country more expensive than here.

Anyway, even if they give it for free I wouldn´s accept that "friendly music box with a phone"

PD. you can use a translator to read it in english

PD2. I forgott to mention you have to sign a 24 month contract!!

Cheers
[Off-topic] hotrod101:
You are so right; however, I have a friend who just loves his Mac Computer so much and for good reason - He really knows what he is doing with it. He has his Mac OS, Windows XP and even Lynux Ubuntu Running on it all at the same time. He can switch from one to the other in a matter of seconds. Really cool. However, I think that he might have raced to the store to get his IPhone too quickly once it was made available in Canada expecting that the IPhone will live up to all his expectations. So far he is happy with it and luckily he hasn't had any problems yet, however, he does not seem to have that same excited glow about his IPhone when he talks about it and shows it off as he has when he talks about his desktop computer and what it does. One thing that does annoy him though is bying software apps through ITUNES. He has purchases several already (Not very expesive, but still paid for them) but some don't work or crash. (the worst was Tetris) - He paid for it and all it does is crash his phone - He has been unable to get any tech support to help either. This is the most annoying thing for him so far, besides having to pay for even the dumbest most useless app - which just is a novelty (Glass of beer) - I think he said he had to pay for that still and it is just for novelty.
[Off-topic] hotrod101:
I still love the size of the IPHONE display touch screen and how responsive it is though. I really want that screen on a Windows mobile device.
[Off-topic] dan-htc-touch:
I really want someone to hack windows mobile onto the iphone, then we would have something to talk about. but then again, the fixed battery, lack of expansion, would still make it a ****ty phone. It's only saving grace, is that I own a mobile sandblasting company, and I am around clouds of dust and sand all day. the iphone has nowhere for the sand to get into the phone, and is holding up alot better than my titan
[Off-topic] :
News just in the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK are not too impressed with the iPhoney advertising. Apple's ad claims that you can access the whole of the internet. The ASA say you can't because Flash and Java are not supported meaning that a lot of web sites will not display properly.

Oops... :D
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Owned!

Is anyone going to complain that 3G doesn't work?
[Off-topic] hotrod101:
My friend who has the 3G IPhone in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, says that he has had no problem at all with 3G.

This is what he says though. Maybe he is in denial :D
[Off-topic] rl66:
a friend of me too he is not lying... but i am in H (or 3G+) :D with my diamond or my good old P3600...
[Off-topic] GurneyHalleck:
Yeah, said 'news' is being discussed over at Wired... Go have a look. I wrote the '(another) Sam' posts... can you tell? :D

It's also news at Engadget, where they take a slightly less biased stance.

**edit**

Engadget has the funniest reply from user 'Blayed':
[Off-topic] charly_mx:
I agree. Its irritating. I mean iphones is closed phone that cannot be pimped like my wizard or my diamond!!! Long live the ppcs!!!
[Off-topic] Evolancer13:
anyone hear about the lawsuit?

An Alabama woman has filed a lawsuit against Apple, claiming the iPhone 3G's network is slower than advertised.

In a 10-page complaint filed Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for Northern Alabama, Birmingham resident Jessica Alena Smith charged Apple with breach of express and implied warranty and with unjust enrichment. Smith, who refers to the phone she purchased throughout the complaint as "Defective iPhone 3G," is seeking class action status.

The lawsuit claims that Apple's iPhone 3G advertising campaign is misleading.

"Defendant intended for customers to believe its statements and representations about the Defective iPhone 3Gs, and to trust that the device was 'twice as fast at half the price'," the lawsuit states.

The charges in the lawsuit mirror widespread complaints about the iPhone 3G's reception that have crisscrossed the Internet since Apple and AT&T released the successor to the original iPhone on July 11. Affected owners have said the iPhone 3G will switch between 3G networks and EDGE networks even when the device is sitting still and that they will lose reception in the middle of a call while in a 3G-rich environment.

"Immediately after purchase, plaintiff soon noticed that her Internet connection, receipt and sending of e-mail, text messages and other data transfers were slower than expected and advertised," the lawsuit states.

After weeks of silence regarding the complaints, Apple finally acknowledged earlier this week that reception issues existed. An Apple representative told the Associated Press that the iPhone OS 2.0.2 software update, released Monday, is designed to provide "improved communication with 3G networks."

But Monday's update was labeled with the briefest of descriptions--"bug fixes"--making it difficult to know exactly what was addressed with the update.

The suit asks that Apple be ordered to repair or replace all defective devices and pay unspecified damages, interest, and attorney fees.

Apple representatives did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Original link http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/2008082...931002188537_1
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Eh. I saw that. But i think she just did that to get people's attention to that issue.
[Off-topic] Evolancer13:
yeah but for 3 mill that got my attention...
[Off-topic] orb3000:
A good one!

I laugh a lot with this one

Hope you too!

Cheers to all,

(Thanks to miffymiffy for providing the image)
[Off-topic] Kraize:
ROFLAMO!
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Continuing reviving the dead:D
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
I hate iPhone? :D
[Off-topic] qipengart:
I don't mind the iPhone as I own 2 of them presently.

Ironically looking for the iPhone 4 for its longgggggggggggggggg battery life. Certainly better than most Android devices.

WinMo doesn't suck on battery life either :D
[Off-topic] avgjoegeek:
Holy back from the dead Batman.

I am no hater of the iPhone. I loved it while it lasted. Had the 2g and 3g ever since it was released and it was a great device.

I swapped to android because I was tired of having to be constricted to Apple's little "i" world.

But... I miss battery life, and a few of the apps I had. Overall the Apple device just seems "more complete" - for those that hate.. go ahead and hate.

If Apple comes out with some sort of crazy dual core monster phone - I know alot of sheeple will jump right off the Apple cliff and start drinking the Cool-Aid again.
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Then this thread is not for you:eek::eek:
[Off-topic] :
LOL, "WM, WP, Android fanboys ONLY!!" should be added to the title :P
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Woo! I fit two of those categories! Still don't trust this whole "Android" crap though... :D
[Off-topic] AndyCr15:
This is what I don't like about Apple lovers, they think Apple create these new things. Apple will bring out a dual core phone probably 6-12 months after Android already have several...
[Off-topic] idavid_:
it's so stupid, apple fanboys think apple made a first touchscreen phone, first tablet, invented multitouch and other stuff. but none of this is true
[Off-topic] C0dy:
That, and the competition adds awesome features while Apple fans claim you don't need that feature, but when Apple products finally get said missing feature, they claim its the best thing ever.
[Off-topic] jeallen0:
HI, my name is jeallen0 and im an iPhone basher... just the other day, i found a rogue 2g that was bricked and hit it with a hammer while it was on the floor. I got great satisfaction out of this act.
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
I phone IHates... wait, what? :confused: :confused:
[Off-topic] husam666:
one question:

Why didn't you take any photos?
[Off-topic] vp3G:
@cdfink08:

First of all, the thread was meant in jest.

Secondly, comparisons were being made to the Hermes, not the Wizard. Perhaps the iPhone is superior to the Wizard, and if you feel as such, good on ya.

Last (but not least), lighten up. :)
[Off-topic] masr1979:
I'm ashamed to admit that I simply don't care for Apple, first it was AOL now it's Apple. More then the company I really disagree with the majority of it's customers that have this "you use a pc? your soooo a sheep of the goverment"-type of attitude. Although, not as vigorous I share Mog's sentiments. To me apple is a company that takes a concept, makes it somewhat idiot proof (I've seen my fair share of broken ipods) and calls it revolutionary. Afterwards we have the army of zombies claiming individuality left and right with the strong need to buy what everyone else is buying..... yes my friend your truly one of a kind.

cdfink08 everyones entitled to their opinion don't you agree? most of us are not being prejudgemental, we've seen the specs and the phone is not anything special, and it would interest most people here even less since most people that browse this forum are not looking to simply change a wallpaper. If you wanna give it a chance go right ahead, your money and all, but don't expect to change any minds since most people dislike the price/feature ratio. The specs are out there, it's not like we are guessing it sucks as a PDA, it's simply that compared to what most of us are accostumed to having our phones do the iphone is extremely lacking.
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
are you kidding us?!? i mean really.. MOST of us (not all) are not speaking highly of this device due to the specs of it (some are apple haters).. your 8125 out of the box will already do more than the iphone and the 8125 is what, 2 years old and the iphone is an infant... where is the comparison?!? at least my 2 year old can tell me when she sh!t her pants, my 6 month old cant do that (how is that for comparison? sounds about the same).. but seriously, how can anyone consider this a good product when they are pushing data services like downloading music and youtube, etc when the phone is only EDGE... this is a sub par product compared to what is already on the market, the ONLY advantage the iphone has is the storage.. but big f'ing deal, with my hermes (which has 3G where the poor iphone dont..) i can stream music straight off of my pc and it sounds just as good, i have over 100gigs of music there, the iphone certainly dont have that... well maybe you want the pretty interface, we have already duplicated that months ago.. Well at least in my hermes and wizard i can replace the battery, i dont need to ship it off to the manufacturer to be replaced... oh i can also send multimedia messages, something else this piece of garbage is lacking.. not to mention the lack of hardware buttons...

to sum up my drunken rant... it doesnt matter who made the iphone, what matters is that its old technology and doesnt meet todays standards.. its garbage and a cash cow for the provider to cash in on the idiots who dont know any better...
[Off-topic] vp3G:
IMO this is borderline criminal marketing shammery... at very least they could offer a version that's 3G/H capable for a few bucks more. Even T-Mo offers G vs. E versions of the Sidekick and AT&T is just plain stupid considering they're getting their heads bashed in on the data front by Sprint & Verizon (despite the fact their marketing is also deceptive).

Betting the 3G/H-enabled iPhone will be out just in time for Christmas... "sandwich" this, Mr. Jobs! :mad:
[Off-topic] rgreenpc:
From what I understand (have read) that they will give the option to get a 3g model AFTER they troll it out in Europe.

I think the iPhone is an asthetically pleasing device, and I do like the interface ( but we can and have copied that), but what I dislike is:

1. Lack of a REAL SDK

2. Lack of 3G

3. Lack of customization

4. Requirement to web base any apps not bundeled.
[Off-topic] hiimcliff:
purely speculative. i read that also on engadgetmobile. however they said it was just a rumor. and i doubt they would roll out the 3g model in europe before they roll it out in the states.

btw, did you read what steve jobs said about why he decided not to go 3g? what a cop out. he said they were really concerned about the real estate of the phone and the chipset for 3g would have made the phone bigger so he decided not to go that way. but in the same answer he said he hasn't ruled out a 3g model for the second generation of the iphone.

if he didnt rule it out, why didnt they just have a 3g model in the first place, that way you can choose if you want the 2g, or the 3g?

hes full of it. in my opinion, there is no 3g model and its not coming. they are hoping that the upgrade to att's edge network to compensate for the speed they would have had with 3g. thats mucho lameo.

edit: for the guy who said we were hating. here is a link to a thread with a disappointed iphone owner. he has a long list of complaints.

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1190824
[Off-topic] DJ_Nitro:
Wow, thanks for the link, I didn't even get to page 2 and half the posters already want to return their iphone.

No file explorer?, not cool. :mad:
[Off-topic] masr1979:
Ok guys just stop, the iphone is SHINY and it's made by APPLE we don't have any arguments that can beat those two facts.
[Off-topic] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
I guess I don't really care much for the iPhone. But, my opinion (and I think it's an obvious point), Apple is out to make a pantload of cash, not change the world for the better. ;)

So, they make a phone that's good enough to get folks all riled up... but not too good. They're going to make a killing on this 1st generation iPhone and then they'll roll out improvements (specifically 3G) on the 2nd generation iPhone, and on an on. I'm pretty sure it was planned to not include 3G just for this purpose.

Look at the iPod. I'm pretty sure they could have included the features that are in the 5th generation model in the earlier 2nd or 3rd generation verions. But they know people will keep upgrading, whether they need to or not.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say about the iPhone.

(...but it sure is pretty looking :D )
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
A-F**cking-men!!! My iWiz can do so much more than this pretty looking crappy running iPhone. I too can stream tunes from my massive home collection, and with my multiple miniSD's I have more than Apple's 8 gigs...and still for much cheaper!! The only thing that the iPhone CAN compare with my iWiz, is Tmo's fault...Edge...but hey, at least I can customize to my hearts desire with 3rd party apps
[Off-topic] Anticro:
Quick, only to note it somewhere: I even don't want a Mac vc. PC war over here. But I must say that Safari on the Mac is a very fine browser, really! IMHO the best out there.

About the SIM card:

So it is true, there is no SIM card to replace? Are people getting a new number when they activate their iPhones or can they choose to use the number of an existing SIM card on their iPhone?

Now, of all things that were rumors about, only the worst ones have made it into the final iPhone. No 3rd party apps, no SIM, horrible prices, a non-replacable battery and only one provider! :( I was interested in the iPhone, until it turned out to be that bad...
[Off-topic] hiimcliff:
WRONG!!! lol

according to speed tests their (at&t) upgrade was to get up to tmobile edge speeds. so that means that their edge was slower than tmobile's edge from the beginning.

the iphone lost ROFL

btw, i was wrong about the sim card. there is a sim card but its not like you can swap out the sim and put in your at$t sim and think its gonna work. they have to activate the sim thats already in the phone. btw, there are tons of people who couldn't even have phone service the first day because it took way too long to activate the sim.

i think this iphone stuff turned out disastrous (well for consumers at least)
[Off-topic] Rudegar:
no fast internet

no real 3th party applications

i cant make my own applications

no letter recognition

strong ties to special operators

reasons why iphone will never be for me

big and bricklike

too complex

too many features people will never use because they dont understand how

reasons why many normal cellphone users will not switch

1 big general problem with both wm and apple is

they their features are very aimed at the american market

where people are still a bit less mobil freaks then asia and europe

which is why the intergration of sms and mms and such

leave stuff to be desided for people comming from nokia and sonyEric

worlds it's clear with the questions in the forum with people asking for features

1 big positive thing vs. the normal phone nokia world is

tons of tons of free applications

tons of tons of free ring tones

tons of tons of free background pics

these are things companys make money on selling

poor nokia people because the systems are kinda closed

so you cant just use your pc to download stuff or get online

my 2 cents
[Off-topic] delude:
From what I have read, you activate the PHONE and then you can put in the sim. I'm not sure about using past sim cards though.

Chek these links out:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070627_POGUE_GRAPHIC.html#

http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/06/28/iphone.return.and.repair/
[Off-topic] masr1979:
@angelis

Good for you, but personally I'm not impressed in the least with it, then again "revolutionary" interfaces and pretty-ER screens have never been my thing. Aside from the apparently great screen this phone has nothing that I would want, but that's me I place funcionality over looks any day.

Anyways your entitled to your opinion, but I just can't comprehend where

I mean it has bigger on board storage then PPC's (but ppc's have memory card slots to fix that) as I said a better screen (PPC can easily upgrade to something similar) and that's about it for me. Anything software based can be improved on PPCs you mention you have problems logging on to bank accounts and such, I have a Wizard and I check my bank of america, wachovia, and paypal accounts and have never had problems. I also track packages regularly on UPS, and FedEx with no problems (I admit you either have to do some scrolling or have the text disorganized) even that though, there's a few browsers in development for mobile phones that should get better and better.

You mention that you won't have to depend on strangers to update your device or something, is that a bad thing? I enjoy the community feel of things end-users can customize. As much as anyone says I can't see this thing competing with a PPC, Palm, or Symbian device, the functionality and freedom is simply not there. Sure it beats the razr, krazr or whatever other purely novelty phone motorolla comes out with, but I'll keep my wizard (I just adquired a T-Mobile Wing that I'll be getting later on tonite, that should hold me until the Kaiser rolls around).

*edit* I forgot to say I have my issues with how HTC does business as well, the Wing and the MDA are basically the same phone, the only reason I got it is because it got a very good deal, and for that matter so is the Touch. That as well as other things, but for the sake of staying on topic I'll save everyone the rant *edit*
[Off-topic] fatouraee:
hello Xda-dev . i just got a iphone and from personal experience i can tell you it isn't all that it should be. my main phone is a X7500 and i love it i thought iphone would be nice but honestly it isn't. the design and graphics are very nice but it is just a phone . u cant call it a pda i mean it doesnt even have a task manager.

so ppc is way to go. i love my Athena .
[Off-topic] cokeman:
As for the Sims card. According to my friend at AT&T it has a removable sims card that requires the use of tweezers to remove, & no other sims card can work. So if you have 2 iPhones you can't switch the sims cards in them, not that you would want to but if you did to bad.

Now with that being said, heres my first thought, if I bought an iphone, activated it used it for a couple months decided to sell it to go back to my PPC how is this going to work since once a sims card is activated it can't be changed? You want to change your # you get a new sims card.

The only feature the iPhone has thats worth anything are the finger scrolling (which we'll have soon with touchflo) & the storage space, but we have an advadtage on that as well, SDHC supports up to 32gig, granted it'll be a while before we see that amount but we can get a 4gb card now so, I got my 8525 for 99.99 after $50 rebate. & I can by 2 4gb cards & not spend more than 250 for everything. Do 3 times as much as the iPhone & use just about any music format I choose.

Revolutionary Device...Whens it being released???
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
+++To save me from re-typing...+++

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1341722&postcount=29
[Off-topic] ThaiM:
This iPhone, like the iPods will be a huge hit. Unfortunately. The general public that's not very tech savy will jump on this bandwagon for sure. Look at the iPod. Pathetic. I bought my wife the Creative ZEN. It does absolutely everything the iPod does, BUT MORE. Plays DivX, has a radio, recordable, etc.... But most of the general public won't really give anything other than an "iPod" a 2nd look.

And that's what will happen with this iPhone. And I'll be laughing at each and every one of them. :P
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
i havent stopped yet...