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[G4 General] DRSdroid:
The G4 is the first phone for me thati really considered usable without root.. But.. Root means more than just removing ads. For me it means allowing tasker to run the profiles ive always used and become accustomed to. Ones that underclock the cpu when the screen is off. Or that turn gps on automatically when im in my car.and off when im out.

Root also means potentially more apps that will be compatible with dual window. And the ability to debloat more fully (although there is a decent workaround for that now). Root also means potential for new kernels that can increases battery life exponentially. Root means full control over the device you own. In the end root access and a custom recovery also means that 3 years from now you can likely still boot your device and tinker with a new version of android that your manufacturer never intended for you to get.

That being said though, it should not be a dealbreaker for this device. Its the least bloated and most solid and customizable android device ive ever owned. And this comes from someone who has owned many android devices and rooted every one of them.
[G4 General] megamanfre:
As a verizon G4 owner, I only want root to enable the features that verizon deemed unnecessary while all other carriers kept enabled. I like theming my phone to my tastes.

This is the only phone on the market that met all my requirements. SD card, removable battery, great camera, and stereo speakers. I got 3 out of 4.

I just wish my touch screen issues would completely disappear and I'm hoping that a software update will help that.
[G4 General] erwaso:
G3 went from kit Kat to lollipop. That was good enough for me lol

Sent from my LG-H815
[G4 General] roosta:
Really? I think there's plenty. First, if I've bought it...I own it...so I want full control (root) - Currently - access denied.

I may want to remove bloatware from carrier-sold (or carrier-locked) phones - can't do without root as many apps are locked and cannot be removed through Apps Mgr.

I may want to edit/add/remove the start-up shut down sound/video for my phone. Or, I may want to have full control of the colour and length of the notification LED - some apps MAY let you have some control over LEDs; but no apps exist that will allow you to change a system start-up sound/video etc, again - without root.

Whilst I'm not a big fan - custom roms, skins and colours are important to fix lag or battery issues. Apps from Play Store may exist, but changing certain features (with root), usually provide you with a better result.

These are just the important things to me, some will agree and others won't. I was reluctant getting my H818P G4; but it has plenty of awesome features that the SGS6 doesn't. Plus, I'm really hanging my hat on devs getting their hands on this phone to develop a safe root fix. if it never happens, I going to be extremely disappointed.

By the way, [MENTION=1817375]docfreed[/MENTION] where are the "already poor sales figures" coming from you alluded to in your original post?
[G4 General] barcodelinux:
Just add another APN with IPv4 and ",dun". Besides, TMOUS has (mostly) free tethering anyways.
[G4 General] tabp0le:
My biggest root purpose is tethering. Ads yes, but mainly for tethering.

You need root to modify the proper APN configs. I've already tried. Shortcut master will not open the files necessary. I've tried going into my phones secret menus. Even with my MSL code, I cannot access the APN settings necessary to enable tethering. Root is needed.
[G4 General] dontpannic:
Maybe I should have reworded what I meant. Of course root is handy, but FOR ME it's not a dealbreaker. I had my S4 rooted so I could debloat and install custom ROMS. Custom ROMS were all buggy as ****, and Samsung added so much extra **** I didn't want that it was necessary to remove it.

With the G4? There's no bloat to speak of that can't be removed, I'm happy with the features, performance and battery life, and how the device functions... I wouldn't mind a completely stock ROM but I'm not prepared to lose the awesome camera for plain Android.

All these people who are returning their phones because a root method isn't out yet is simply ridiculous! Why did you buy it in the first place? If root is something you NEED surely you do the research before buying the handset? So you go into your phone shop, buy the phone, return it within a certain number of days because you can't root it, then what? When root is available you go back into the phone shop? "Actually I've changed my mind, I do like the phone now"?
[G4 General] snoz0r:
In my case, I'll be honest it was a bit of an impulse buy. I had the G2 when I was with Sprint, but when I moved to T-Mobile I couldn't afford a newer phone at the moment and settle for the LG L90. I had dropped the phone at work and went to go take it in for warranty, but didn't want to wait. I asked for any new/used G2's and they were out. Then asked for the G3, out. So it was between the S6 and the G4. I loved the G2, and the G4 was less expensive then the S6.

All this combined with my lunch break during work, I was rushed. Had a broken phone that was slow as molasses in the first place and I hated it. Didn't want to wait, impulse buy.

I didn't do any research or anything, and i'm and idiot for that.
[G4 General] barcodelinux:
I didn't say modify, I said add. Then select that new APN. You don't need root to add a new APN.
[G4 General] MicroMod777:
Just get the G4 killer, 5.5" ZenFone2 that is unlocked now and can get root. I've been debating myself switching to it except for that fact I really like my G4's camera.
[G4 General] fpsq:
I do want the hardware...

Well, this is exactly why I would very much like to root that phone/have the chance of seeing CM for this device at some point. The hardware, although not perfect, seems very good. As far as the software goes, well there is room for improvement. ;) Which is not LGs fault only, Lollipop is still a pain in the but more often then not. So, knowing that the software of this phone can be completely altered, BEFORE I buy it, makes sense.

Yes, I thought about getting a Nexus again. Only my Nexus 5 is getting quite old and as the next Nexus which isn't a phablet will be likely some sort of LG G4 without sd card slot, I figured oh well just buy the sibling and put stock android M/CM/whatever on it!
[G4 General] Th3Bill:
Since jcase has shown proof of rooted ATT G4 on Youtube, I don't think it's a matter of IF....but WHEN. I understand that it may take some time and some people don't want to wait. Me personally, this phone has such great parts in it and I honestly like the stock UI pretty well as-is, that I'm not worried if it takes a few weeks to a few months.

Believe me...Lollipop could be MUCH worse. I came from the Note 4. THAT was a buggy experience on LP.

I think LG is working on getting stuff "right" on 5.1 before updating to any other android version. I would agree with that way of doing it. Get rid of existing bugs before possibly adding in others from a version update...

Personally, I'll take the stock UI stripped of the bloat over an AOSP based one. Just my preference...

That is unless someone can mate the best of CM and UX :)
[G4 General] JacRyan:
Its interesting that once again Big Red and Big Blue insist on locking down these phones. Aren't they really rewriting the original premise of the Android software?

I hope it affects sales and a change in their policy.

Is their bloatware really that much of a money maker across the board?

Btw

I miss my Viper4Android.. :/
[G4 General] Cor-master:
A couple things. First of all the report is based off a reply from their Social media team on Facebook. These are employees that filled out an application and got a job. These aren't the high level executives who make those decisions. And even if they informed their low level employees they wouldn't be allowed to give any info away on Facebook

Secondly the phone runs great for me on 5.1. If I was concerned about updates I would of bought a nexus 6. We know it's going to get android m and that's what matters so why even worry about it? Just reboot your phone once a day if you start noticing any effects from the memory leak and you'll be good
[G4 General] tabp0le:
If I'm not mistaken, the memory leak was fixed in 5.1
[G4 General] Cor-master:
No Google came out and said they didn't have it fixed in 5.1
[G4 General] tabp0le:
Wow. I missed that memo! LMAO! Can't wait to get xposed and use the memory leak fix. Worked great on my G2.
[G4 General] Cor-master:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...fixed-internally-no-timeline-for-release-yet/

Here's the link. Also fwiw it's assumed its fixed in 5.1.1 but never officially stated
[G4 General] PunishedSnake:
Adblocking indeed
[G4 General] masze:
lol

what are u talking about???????

i unlock bootl and root after 1 day.

For a glitchesfree change of dpi u must have root.

Retarded of lg to have 640dpi on phone, it look so fugly.

If you go 540 or even lower its freakin awesome..

xposed module "youtube adaway" is a must.

Sent from my unlocked and rooted LG-H815
[G4 General] Nima79:
i think g4 with 5.1 is fairly good . if they ignore 5.1.1 we can take android m faster .
[G4 General] siraltus:
So Verizon still does the "disable a built-in OS feature and replace it with a crappy Verizon app that requires payment to do the same thing?" It's been years since I had a Verizon phone, ditched them for this exact reason.
[G4 General] cowsquad:
I am on Verizon and I found wifi foxFi to be the perfect app. It bypasses the stupid Verizon hot spot prompt
[G4 General] megamanfre:
Yea I know it's absolutely unheard of for then to do that, but they did!

I hate the fact they bundle the NFL app all the time. What the hell us really the point of that app anyway?
[G4 General] Ozark_8125:
In reality, sad as it is, we geeks don't account for probably more than 0.001% of their sales. I'm sure the general public wouldn't know root if they tripped on one walking through the forest.
[G4 General] One Twelve:
What to clarify something. When people say they have wifi issues are they referring to wifi calling that your carrier provides ?

as opposed to normal wifi. which those of us that do not have carrier enabled calling can pretty much ignore.

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I noticed you were very active in the dual sim thread and wondered if you were aware of whether dual sim devices will get root or custom roms ?

i live in a market where for the first time LG decided they would offer a dual sim device. dual sim has many uses and i like the idea that its offered with a flagship but if it limits options later i'm not sure whether its a good idea or not. For now i'm playing the waiting game. but i really like this device.
[G4 General] roosta:
Root will come soon enough...dont know how or when but with H815 sorted already, i wouldnt think its that far off. Im fairly pacient as i know it takes many hours of hardcore testing from talented people. The phone is still great without root...

What on the G4 "limits option later"? If you check specs of the H818P the only drawback or sacrifice is really wireless charging...sim 2 slot is roughly in the area where the pins would be. Nothing else is "left out" and is in every way as good as all other single sim G4s. Besides...youd think if a person has the time to place a phone on a charging dock...they could spend 4 more seconds plugging in that USB cable into a phone. No biggie IMO

RoOSTA
[G4 General] SpinningHook:
Good to know. Thanks.
[G4 General] painedglass:
I just want root for Titanium Backup pro and viper4android. I actually dont mind UI 4.0. and can uninstall things I dont need.
[G4 General] shojus:
Ahhhh, I see MicroMod's Love for the G4 is dying off a tad?? Lol I'm just messin with you but it was funny to see you create lots of polls and talkin the G4 up quite a bit and now that tune is a changin... And I don't blame you one bit! Yes, this phone is a decent phone and it has a KILLER camera, but it has too many issues with QC and other bugs that could probably be solved with root (maybe some of them). The fact that it's locked down and you literally have to destroy your DRM keys to even unlock it, IF you grab the UK variant, makes me sick because they just talked up their device so much and then told all devs to F off! They have nothing to lose by releasing a bootloader unlock method, except for the companies that want to pay to stay off that list. ( which is usually Verizon and AT&T ) I will probably be listing mine after I write this post because I just find it cheap feeling (even with the thick 1mm of leather on the back). ;) I have pretty much all of the current flagships and this one just really disappoints me and it sees my desktop almost every day, instead of my car. The screen issues alone drive me nuts and it drops waaay too many frames for being a "flagship" for 2015. LG just REALLY pushed this quite hard this year but I'm not thinkin that helped them as much as they might have thought. They literally gave 1-2 units to each YouTube reviewer that makes ANY type of tech reviews! They gave them out like candy, and that's why every single day there were about 5 different reviews for this thing. I watched with anticipation and now it's time to say goodbye... RIP G4 :eek:
[G4 General] Batfink33:
I sold my G4 after 3 weeks. What a disappointment! An average SOC which is slower than the Snapdragon 805, missed touches on the screen, locked down, cheap feeling, lag and stutters. What on earth are LG doing? theres virtually no improvement from the G3 and in general it's just a fairly middle range phone that you cant even unlock.
[G4 General] shojus:
You summed it all up 4 me... What did you replace it with?
[G4 General] force70:
I wouldn't buy a locked BL device either..I like to tinker too much.if I wanted a device which I had no intention of modding I'd buy an iPhone.

And more than that,I buy all my devices outright and I will be damned if I spend my money on something and not be able to do whatever I want with it.

If you don't want/need root what are you doing here anyway lol?

People here will want to mod,last time I checked its still a development site.

current devices: Nexus 6, Note 4, 3, 2, S3, OneX+
[G4 General] Batfink33:
I had a Note 4 anyway so went back to using that.
[G4 General] shojus:
Ya! That's the exact same thing I think when I hear people say that this phone is just fine without root??? Really? If I don't have root then it will sit on a charger for months or get sold. I got the G4 cause I thought I had purchased the H815 (correct UE variant) but I ended up getting the damn Chinese variant! Oh well, I can at least say I got to play with one right... :) I can deal without root for a couple of months if the phone is worth keeping AND as long as I have my backups to keep me busy! :good:

I have the Note 4 as well, and this was NOT an upgrade... Of course the Note does not have that much competition from any company as far as I am concerned. I actually use the S-pen so nothing compares.
[G4 General] MicroMod777:
My only issue is being locked in a prison cell when there are 2 keys being withheld from us that can set us free!
[G4 General] shojus:
I was just messin with you and I know that you really liked this phone I just hope they get it rooted soon. It will make a lot of you guys happy. Regardless though, mine is finding a new home. Root isn't going to change my mond this time around. Of course I am known to come back to phones I once sold.... :D
[G4 General] windozeanti:
Lots of LG G4 haters? LOL
[G4 General] force70:
I actually really like it, if it wasn't for the possibility of the G4 pro coming out I'd probably pick one up. The EU unlockable BL device of course

current devices: Nexus 6, Note 4, 3, 2, S3, OneX+
[G4 General] *justintime*:
LOL @ OP. If average customers are not going to buy for not having 5.1.1. Stop whining and get a Nexus.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-H815 met Tapatalk
[G4 General] :
I work for a phone store and we have no problems selling G4s. Also almost no one ever talks about it having 5.1.1...
[G4 General] windozeanti:
Indeed, Android 5.1.0 --> 5.1.1 = 0.0.1 difference..

Do you know whats the update about?
[G4 General] frigidazzi:
Same thing happened to me too. Got TW version. I'll give root another month ish if not I'll switch. I still enjoy my nexus 5 besides the battery and camera. I do really like the g4. Just wish it was unlocked with root. Mostly for TB and ad block.
[G4 General] MasterSe7en:
Patience is a virtue guys, trust me, every phone has been rooted, it just takes time, luckily the G4 is a flagship and alot of people want it, i mean they even get root for those crappy unknown straight talk phones, like some low end LG phones for straight talk, my wife actually has one, and theres root for it lol, so trust me, be patient and well have it
[G4 General] masze:
its not LG that keep your phone locked.

I had unlocked and rooted from day 2. :P

*815- Int.
[G4 General] One Twelve:
The impression i have that dual sim won't get any custom rom support. Whether its necessary is another question. i expect root will come in time.

The version being offered in my market is the N variant.
[G4 General] 0rigin:
Don't project your doings onto others. I never buy a phone that doesn't have a good second hand developer support, no matter what the specs are. And I'm far from being the only one.
[G4 General] Chyeo1979:
quite surprised the sales is so poor, looking at the attention this phone is getting.
[G4 General] Batfink33:
It's getting attention because LG have sent out so many review models. I'm sure they've also paid for positive YouTube attention.

When you actually get the phone you realise it's not that good.
[G4 General] One Twelve:
Its competing in cost with the S6 which dropped 20% since it launched and the note 4 which is equally cheap if not less. I'm referring here to non contract.

How does it compare where you are with contract ?
[G4 General] Shadefactor:
Honestly all i need root for is ads, viper, and my external sd card....well mainly ;)
[G4 General] One Twelve:
No replaceable battery on the zenfone. And battery life is worse, how is that possible with a 1080p screen (!) camera is a mid ranger.

You ain't switching :D
[G4 General] MicroMod777:
Haven't switched yet. If money was no object I'd get it just to play with it.

What else out their in Android world is comparable to our beloved G4?
[G4 General] bleuxeon:
Maybe I didn't read enough but do we have any numbers?
[G4 General] mordbane:
When I bought my G4 a couple weeks ago there were three sales guys in the store and they had never activated one. When I asked what have people been buying they said iPhones and Galaxy s6s without even considering the G4.
[G4 General] dysfunkshun:
I came from the zenfone2 to the g4. Zf2 had root and not even that could save it from the horrible battery life. I used it for 2 weeks until the g4 was released, and it's been sitting in a closet since. I really wanted to love the zf2, I was waiting for it since playing with one at CES, but it just fell short for me. The g4 isn't perfect either, but I like it more than the zf2, I'll probably enjoy it more once root is achieved and I can block ads.
[G4 General] markwebb:
Yes, sales aren't spectacular: http://phandroid.com/2015/06/23/lg-g4-sales/

But, not sure this is the reason. Makes sense to jump to Android M.
[G4 General] willjohnson:
I think advertising is another big part, hardly ever saw anything about the G4, however you cant go anywhere without seeing an Iphone or Samsung S6 advert. I work in the Geek Squad and we had a sign for the S6 EVERYWHERE for weeks before release. Never saw one LG advert other than a picture of the phone in carrier adverts(we sell all the major carriers in store), and even then it was next to an S6, S6 Edge, and Iphones in the pictures. It really does make a difference, the majority of the people buying are doing so because of the adverts. They dont even know what a Snapdragon processor or 3 GB ram even mean. Trust me, i have seen dumb on a level you can barely comprehend in customer support, majority of people in this world are sheep. If LG wants higher sales then advertise more would be one way without even having to do anything with the phone. I just hope we get root at least, i really like the phone and feel like any shortcomings can be overcome with root apps and tweaking. Unlocked BL and kernels would do even more.
[G4 General] MicroMod777:
How bad was the ZF2 battery life compared to the G4?
[G4 General] painedglass:
I wonder what they would say if one were to suggest that they could possibly gain more customers, offering the option to unlock bootloaders on all carriers.. Use the leverage of low sales as a catalyst. After all they did extend the battery/SD card giveaway and still sales are bad. An open letter perhaps?
[G4 General] dysfunkshun:
In my experience, my g4 lasts through a work day at about 65% as opposed to my zf2 which would be at about 35%. Also, my zf2 was about 10dbM worse signal on average. I think Asus is on to something for sure, I just don't think they quite got it down yet. If they put out another next year with similar specs and an improved battery, I will buy it again. Like I said, I really wanted to love it, and I don't want to make it sound like I'm bashing it, it's so close to being good and yet so far.
[G4 General] shook187:
Nobody in the general public cares or knows what a bootloader is or if its locked or not.

Not sure why XDA'ers think they represent the general public when they actually don't. They make up a small percentage of the manufacturers consumers, but they (XDA'ers) think they're more significant than they really are.
[G4 General] painedglass:
Most of the members of XDA could care less about the general public, nor do I and to say that they think they're more significant than they really are is pretty presumptuous. Anyway my point was to offer a means to an end for those who wish to mod their G4's and at the same time allowing LG use their bootloader unlock service as another reason to buy their phones even if it is to a small subset of buyers. This could be a reason to buy the G4 over the S6 or the M9 etc. So let me ask, whats your solution?
[G4 General] Gemichi:
The only place i saw a lot of g4 ads is in hong Kong tv. But none in the tv in the US
[G4 General] frigidazzi:
Did anyone actually ready the article? "The company targeted 2.6 million units per quarter, but are currently selling at a rate of just less than 2.5 million." That sounds pretty good to me. Not only that, but the article also says that it's lg's best selling phone... No one expected this to sell like the s6 did they?
[G4 General] One Twelve:
Maybe the screen they used isn't efficient. It should have beat the G4 for battery. Not so easy it would seem.

Did you find you had to manually set brightness indoors on zf2 as auto was too dim ?
[G4 General] dontpannic:
So you'd quite happily buy a 3" 500Mhz single core phone just because it has an unlocked bootloader and custom ROM's available, over, for example, the G4?
[G4 General] 0rigin:
Because you can't come up with anything constructive, you have to go into absolute extremes in order to prove your right? Nah I wouldn't buy a phone like that, but I'm rockin' Nexus 5 and I would still pick it over G4, even though the G4 is better in every single aspect, hardware-wise.
[G4 General] painedglass:
Your logic is sound except for one aspect. Going in, no one could forsee that every boot loader would be locked save for the international H815 version, especially T-Mobiles. When the G3 came out, we had bump, stump and purple drake. Everone knows that the Nexus line of phones is easy to unlock and root, but they fall short in storage memory and swappable batteries, which is the reason a lot of us got the G4 over the Nexus 6/ Galaxy S6.
[G4 General] rfarrah:
As others have said, we just need to have a little patience. Some phones are easier to unlock than others. I had both the G2 and G3 and as we all know they did get unlocked, but it didn't come about on Launch Day. It took weeks. Let's just relax a little.
[G4 General] painedglass:
Agreed