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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mobrules777:
Give it a rest. I check in here to see if there's any new information, not to read this diarrhea. So what if someone chose to talk about it. So what if someone else is pissed about that. Please knock it off for the love of god.

We all want a bug free, update yesterday.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maflin18:
Thank you.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeodudeFFP:
Maybe, maybe not...I'll be anxious to see people's comments here on it (5.whatever, that is).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
Your new information will come in the form of an update notification on your phone...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theatomizer90:
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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] MarkAtMoto:
I'm fairly new here on XDA. We do care and we always listen. We do not however give out dates for any updates/upgrades and always closely align our carrier partners on messaging. You should follow David Schuster on G+. He's regularly updating the status of software releases.

Mark

Motorola Support

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Yeah. Not getting what you are trying to say..

Mark

Motorola Support

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I don't disagree with you on communication. In fact we're out on Social Media interacting because we care. You see several Motorolan's on G+ including Kirk Stromberg, David Schuster, Sandy Spiers, etc. because we value our customers. David Schuster especially is pushing communication as we've learned alot from launching our online community. At the same time we value our jobs. I'm sure you read about the lab guy who was posting information on social media.

Yeah, that was questionable journalism......

Hmmm How do I type in Sam Jackson's voice... That would be funny....

We absolutely do care about the NDA. It's a serious thing. It's common in many professions. Not sure why it means less to some outside the workplace....

See my comment above. Managing Motorola's Forums I absolutely see your pain. I'm a customer who also happens to be an employee. I work as an advocate inside the company. We're always working to improve our communication.

No we're absolutely not laughing. It's honestly hard to read the frustration. I really empathize with you. We're doing what we can to push for better communication. If we didn't care we wouldn't be on Facebook, Twitter, XDA, Reddit and many other sites or host our own community. In fact, the Motorola Feedback Network was created because our customers are valuable and a great source of feedback. While we have extensive internal testing some things just aren't apparent until we test with larger groups like members of the Motorola Owners' Forum.

Mark

Motorola Support
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Semseddin:
[MENTION=6314534]MarkAtMoto[/MENTION],

And the 120 dolar phone Moto E 2015 gets android 5.1 update before Moto Maxx. YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT TYPE OF CUSTOMERS THAT ONLY BOUGHT MOTO E CAUSE DEVİCE FOR CHEAP PRİCE. WHİLE US WHO HAPPİLY PAİD AN ARM AND A LEG FOR THE PREMİUM DEVİCE DOESNT EVEN HAVE A RELEASE DATE. IN A MATTER OF FACT, NOT EVEN AN ANSWER OF RELEASE DATE. IF YOU GUYS KEEP DOİNG THİS LİKE YOU DİD FOR YEARS, YOU WİLL LOSE PREMİUM CUSTOMERS LİKE US. KEEP YOUR CONTRENTRATİON ON CHEAPOS. NEVER LEARN A THİNG FROM APPLE.

Edit : sorry for caps, you wouldnt care but yesterday i bought myself a second device a moto x 2014, i will return it back today. According to my business ethics, i dont deserve worse service than a moto e user since i paid 5 times of more money to motorola than a moto e user
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] MarkAtMoto:
Moto Maxx started on 4.4.4 and then in Latin America we worked to get 5.0.2 on in a couple countries right around the end of the beginning of 2015. Moto E 4G 2nd Gen launched with 5.0.2 and so was probably fairly easy to move to 5.1.

We've moved products all across the board including recently the Moto X 1st Gen 2013 to 5.1. And we continue to work on them. Someone always has to be first, middle and last. Benefit of being last is you always get something out of those who went before you. I don't make the decision on the order and certainly don't think it is an easy decision to make no matter what.

Thanks for your candid feedback though.

Mark

Motorola Support
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] thecaptain0220:
[MENTION=6314534]MarkAtMoto[/MENTION] Thank you for your replies. I think having someone posting on xda is a good start to opening up communication. I think most people who care end up checking here. I feel like people just want a little more transparency into the process. People don't need exact dates, just some sort of a info on what is happening. Without it you get rumors and disappointment when they aren't true. It's been a long time and there was really no info on the current state, only speculation.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Onismurai:
hmm... how long this circle will be ended. Delay >> Soak >>> Google Announce new ver >>> Delay >>> soak >>> New ver >>> .... delay again?

M is already in progress and should be available soon. Will Moto make that decision again... delay for a better future update (that never come)?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
[MENTION=6314534]MarkAtMoto[/MENTION] I've been a Motorola customer since the e815. I love the build quality and battery life of your phones. What I haven't appreciated was being shunted aside by the company and by Verizon after you both received my money for your clear 2014 flagship. What happened to the promise (and it was a promise) by Motorola to update the device to lollipop quickly? Everyone understands that lollipop hasn't been the easiest Android launch, but the issues could have been addressed post release if this phone had been a priority. Regardless, semi regular communication from moto and/or Verizon could have easily held your loyal customers in check. While many people don't know or care about phone updates, the people that make noise about your products (ie loyal customers) do. After the Bionic disaster and subsequent emphasis on quality and updates (thanks Google) I thought you both had learned the right OEM/carrier formula, but apparently not. I don't know if you lost too many good people due to the Lenovo sale, Verizon was unnecessarily critical of your beta updates, or if you just didn't care but this entire episode was unacceptable.

[MENTION=6314534]MarkAtMoto[/MENTION] Motorola has to earn my trust (and dollars) back. I'm seriously contemplating going to the next Nexus device and never coming back, but I still think nostalgically back to the e815, og droid, maxx hd, etc. and remember what your company is capable of producing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Semseddin:
Thanks for ur replies but all in all, i dont have to wait for an update since we paid you the big money and you guys at motofola made a promise which eventually became a lie and decieve like your older promises. Remember XT720,Atrix 4G, Atrix Hd, Xt910(bl unlock promise) Photon 4G, droid bionic and others that i can not even remember now. Motorola also gave promises to these phones. it is certain that motorola make good hardware and it sucks at software and motorola is a company which have an historical tradition of decieving their customers. So,it is not a trustable company.This is coming from a customer since v3 days who never used anything else than motorola. I thought google would change motorola's traditions but that never happened and made things even worse. I thought lenovo would change their status of being absent worldwide markets which never happened. I really think if i were the manager of motorola, i could have managed motorola better than you motorola workers. Honesty is not available in motorola and that hurts us loyal customers and that for sure hurts motorola's brand.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeoFX:
After reading the last couple of pages, are people's lives seriously defined by whether there is a timely OS upgrade on their phones?? I just don't get the frustration. I've had the Turbo since launch and have been happily using it since.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
Smartphones are one of my hobbies. I upgrade when I can and I try to have the latest and greatest. I bought the DT when I did expecting to get Lollipop with the first batch of updates to phones, not months after everyone else has already got it. Unlike other people I can't say I love the way my phone functions with kitkat. My battery doesn't last a full day, with about 2hrs SOT. So I have hopes that lollipop also fixes that.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
The phone is great, but when I spend a significant sum on an item I expect a certain level of service. The whole you get what you pay for maxim didn't apply in this case and I don't like it.

Like I said, the next Nexus is the only phone legitimately on my radar now. At least with a phone like that all of the power is in my hands.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeoFX:
Maybe you guys who are expecting the latest and greatest should've just purchased Nexus phones to begin with then for the same amount of money. All you had to do was wait a couple more months till the Nexus 6 came out. It's pretty naive to expect Verizon/Motorola to live up to any promises given their history and when the wording of their upgrade timelines are so ambiguous, especially for a phone which is carrier-exclusive and doesn't have a large customer base. Everybody knows Verizon likes to stall any kind of upgrade (e.g., JB for the DInc4G) on exclusives.

And honestly, I don't think Verizon/Motorola even cares if you guys are upset. The number of "users" who probably even post in forums complaining about this stuff is such a small percentage of the total user base to begin with. If you guys leave, they won't shed a tear.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BladeRunner:
Same here. I haven't had my Turbo since last year, lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
If by soon you mean in fall, sure.

I guess in Turbo years that's a blink of an eye :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Same question, slightly reworded.

Is your life defined by wondering why timely updates define other's lives?

I'll tell you why I needed that update and left due to not getting it:

Software development.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Moto Mark is a joke.

Motorola themselves are PUBLICLY ANNOUNCING soak tests.

https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts

Motorola WANTS people to know about it, as I guess they realize they dropped the ball on this upgrade issue big time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
Bahahaha!!!!

See above

Yeah, and it was actually better because employees themselves used to leak out builds tto get them in the hands of the public!

No, any new information will come from EVERY Android focused website/blog talking about it...

Well I guess that can put a nail in the whole NDA discussion going in here huh?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
You have already made it clear you have no integrity and are untrustworthy when it comes to them, do you need to keep preaching it?

I care less about people announcing the soak and more about those who will leak the details, such as yourself. Why? Not because it is illegal, but it is clear that these people have no integrity and I rather not be associated with them. I pity the idiot that conducts business with them. DO you really believe that the soak ending due to not following an NDA will lead to better leaks?

LMAO, now thats just naive. Moto isn't a source of leaks, the carrier testers are, and thats where they came from.

This has not changed, other than obviously carriers are locking their procedures down to prevent it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
#highhorse
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
What does integrity have to do with it when MOTOROLA THEMSELVES are making G+ posts about soak tests!? lol

We've already established you don't comprehend the high horse thing, so stop using it..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
They aren't making G+ posts about details, derp.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeoFX:
I hear you but wouldn't it have been better to choose more neutral platform like a Nexus (or any other development-friendly device) for your software development rather than deal with the potential frustrations of having a carrier-exclusive phone? For something has important as your career, it would've been the safer choice unless there was something unique about the Droid Turbo that you had to have. I would think that if it was my career that was dependent on a mobile platform, I wouldn't have any faith in the altruism of Verizon/Motorola to push out updates especially on a carrier-exclusive with a low user base.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
On Verizon that wasn't really a choice for me at the time. My company doesn't buy my development devices. Later I did indeed do that, but I am sure you can see why that was a problem. So I chose a near stock device that came from a company with a history of quick updates despite being on Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
And neither was anyone here! All the said was "i got my invite!!" Which is actually LESS detailed than Moto saying "The soak test has started"

But hey, don't let the facts trip up you and the rest of the cavalry on your crusade of righteousness
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
They will. Wanna bet 50 on it? The only reason the details are silenced is because they don't have them yet.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aviwdoowks:
Truly why this phone has been handled so poorly by the powers at be, may never be known.

Vzw has a $250 bonus just for this phone.

Bad karma?

Go figure
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ilia3367:
Unfortunately there is no word about the Motorola Droid Turbo ...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It will suck if its not Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ilia3367:
Yep. Will suck at a mad dog!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
Well despite the pages of useless info - has anyone received the soak? I'd be surprised if it comes. [MENTION=6314534]MarkAtMoto[/MENTION] - I don't think the issues are some much that it does or doesn't receive the updates, as we assume the issues come from the carriers. In my estimation, the lack of communication for a premium device vs the Moto E is cause for pause.

Personally i bought both the Turbo and Nexus based on the fact they are both Motorola, and their specs are the same in my eyes, minus the fact that full VoLTE functionality is not available.

So with that i ask, when does the soak begin, as i've personally contributed in past soaks, and never seen a circus like this over a phenominal device. It's obvious their are huge fans who want to see this device succeed more than any, me being one, but if something as a trivial communication on "when" is not known, it degrades faith in the brand unfortunately and not the product itself.

I love my Nexus, and if full VoLTE functionality were available - i wouldn't be here, but i'm at a cross road where in my line of work having those features = $$$, and on 444 although the features are available, the ease and speed and everything else which comes with Lollipop far outweighs the benefits of staying of 444, IMO, the Nexus is one of the greatest Products out there, upgrade the Turbo, and that becomes the great product.

To the rest of the community, i think in fairness, it's not Motorola's fault - the carrier as the ultimate customer makes the decision, as other carriers with the same model have what we seek. So in fairness this should be directed to VZW. Perhaps if people switched to AT&T Nexus 6 which i also have, and VZW starts to hear, they'll change. If enough people petitioned for more transparency, i'm sure we'd get better results than voicing them on a forum which Mot hears, but not VZW. IOW if enough people called VZW customer service and asked the relevent questions, i'm sure the powers that be will listen, as in the end its all about the $, ,and if they can't do something as simple as communicate for that $, another carrier will.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] FragDroidX:
The fact that most everyone seems to not understand is this. The Droid line of devices are Verizon's. In the case of the Droid line Motorola is simply the ODM. They have no control over how Verzion handles the devices. No more than any other ODM has. A good example would be Apple and Foxconn. Foxconn builds the device to Apples's specs and have no other input. Verizon and the Droid line is the same, the big difference being that Verizon also has to approve the software. At the end of the day total control of the Droid line rests with Verizon. Like it or not that is what happens with the Droid line.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
That is true for any Moto device on Verizon, not just their Droid line.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] FragDroidX:
While carrier approval is required before the software rolls out the Moto X line basicaly has the same look and software across all carriers except for individual bloat apps. With the case of the Droid line Verizon specs everything. From the design, features, specs, and even the look of the software. One example is the icons. On the Moto X the icons in the shade are standard Lollipop where on the Droid Turbo they have kept the Kit Kat icons if the Verizon simulator is accurate, not a big change but a change non the less. The point being is that Verizon has many more demands for the Droid line since is its their baby which causes delays that the Moto X on Verizon doesn't incure. The Droid Turbo is Verizon's iPhone and that puts Motorola at their complete mercy.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
we are 4 months away from the new version that why
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Actually, the current Droid line is identical in software to the Moto X line save for one single widget. I know you want to believe that Verizon caters thing specially to the Droid line, but its really not true. They will cater to their best sellers. they have the same testing process for all of their Android devices.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rlmesq:
Hysterical much?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ostriches3064:
You forgot about everyone's favorite piece of Verizon bloatware, Droid Zap. :laugh:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
True. Though that works on any device :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maflin18:
It is taking moto quite a while to open up the private forum......
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
Of course they will, and I can't wait for them to talk...I also can't wait for a dev to get their hands on the official build so hopefully we can have a rooted version before public release...

Seriously lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
The N6 is way too big IMO. Plus, when I bought the Turbo, no one knew if Verizon would carry it officially.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] FragDroidX:
Sure if you choose to igonore the main reason for the holdup, HD calling and voice and data at the same time which the VZW Moto X still doesn't have even with 5.1. Also different basebands, kernel, framework, chipset etc. Some small differences, others not. Bottom line, VZW has much more control over the Droids than they do the Moto X.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Except that they aren't expecting the latest and greatest. Just something close to what their peers have. 5.1 is far from the latest and greatest. Top that off with Verizon using lollipop coming soon as a selling point for it. Top even that off with Verizon advertising it had Lollipop.

Don't be an apologist. There is no excuse.

I can understand someone whining for a 1 month old OS.

Lollipop was released 9 months ago. This phone was released 9 months ago.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Doesn't seem to be a problem with the Nexus 6 or even the Note 4. As for the rest, very little of what you mentioned would cause this delay. The Quark already has Lollipop outside the US and has for many months.

Verizon has just as much control over the Moto X as they do for all their phones including Droids, sans iPhone.

The only difference is with the Droids, they follow a certain design that Verizon asked for. That has no bearing on this situation.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Exactly on both points. If there had been a new n5 last year on Verizon then it would have been mine but I gave moto another chance. As previously stated, the turbo has been a great phone for me but this episode is another example of how ridiculous both Motorola and Verizon are.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] FragDroidX:
LOL, you just said it yourself. The Quark has had it for many months because its not controlled by Verizon. Nuff' said. Thanks for agreeing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
If you can show me one place where I said Verizon didn't have control, I'll sh*t in a bowl and eat it on a live stream.

My point was that only someone who is extremely naive thinks it is because Verizon holds Droid updates to a higher standard than any one of their other phones.

In that respect, you also proved my point.

My comments about the other devices were to show you there is no technical reason for the delay.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Encouraging it just proves that you have no integrity.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
No I just don't pretend to think that this is any sort of sensitive information
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Deemed by you. So confidentiality agreement be damned, your judgment trumps it because you don't feel it matters. Sounds like a lack of integrity to me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
It doesn't matter...it has no reflection on my integrity...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
The point that seems to not be taking hold here is that if you agree to not say anything, then you do, you don't have any integrity. It doesn't matter if it's nuclear launch codes or the expiration date on a carton of milk. If you spill the beans, no one's going to trust you.:(
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
You realize this is a community based on hacking, reverse engineering, and exploiting security flaws in software right?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 2005 Upgrading] cychiam:
A lot of forums are working to get TouchFlo working on their sets e.g. Hermes, Wizard etc.

Any for Himalaya WM5?

Will get the program and test it out on my set soon.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 2005 Upgrading] Rudegar:
believe that all devices where they have gotten it to semi work on are

wm6 devices :S
[Mi 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sujithar37:
Hi Guys,

I need to press hardly to make the lock button works. The issue was started after using Lollipop . I thought it may be a software bug but I saw a post recently in FB where lot of users are having this issue. Sometime the lock button not works if we pressed.
[Mi 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leomon32:
The lock button issue also occur to me with Miui6 without any reason, I thought it was simply because it becomes defective ? (Like sometimes I press it and it acts like it's double pressed or not pressed at all). My phone isn't even 1 year old so I'm a bit pissed if it's an hardware issue...
[Mi 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Me_Ashish_:
The same. I absolutely thought it's my phone hardware problem, but everybody facing this D:

Its happening on every single ROM
[Mi 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ej8989:
I don't experience this on MokeeOS and ivan's rom
[Mi 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Devil Rocky:
I was also facing the same issue.

But after flashing lollipop 5.1.1 by Ivan the issue is gone...

Try it...