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[Off-topic] GilesTheAlmighty:
the iPhone YouTube thing is just http://m.youtube.com, and if you have WM6 with the "Streaming media player" you can do EXACTLY what the iphone does ... browse the same videos, and play it in a "youtube player" (although it looks like WMP)

not exactly innovative as a month before the iPhone was released i was watching the same videos that Steve boasts about being able to do on the iPhone ...
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
Here is a lesson about our society...

appearance is much more important than substance...

hence that whole first appearances thing, once again is proved true.

My wiz is a brick by comparison, it's clunky, not very sleek or sexy...much like me after having my twins...but it gets the job done, and does that job well...and with some "makeup" (thank you cLaunch, etc)it has become sexy enough...without sacrificing it's substance!!

For all the people who know nothing about real ppc's, bragging about their iPhone...all I have to say is I hope my bladder can withstand all the laughing.
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
Running for cover before the shells hit, huh?? Last I checked, monkey's throw something else....eeeewwwww

Good to see we all still have a sense of humor, and I don't need no razr..err, razOr...
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
im reloading now... :D
[Off-topic] Doom Tints:
I heard that Steve "The Hand" Jobs designed the on-screen sliding method to unlock the phone as the best method to avoid unwanted calls while he was using the device as his new buttplug.
[Off-topic] darky:
I just love how google ads is giving me iphone propoganda when this forum has nothing but lovers for the device.

We had to write a case about it in class and I had to explain how retarded it was and how phones released a few years back had more features than it did.

like some of you mentioned so many 'uninformed' (my bad :p its just they keep shoving it wherever I go I have to filter engadget and other sites just to read stuff) out there, I can't believe there are so many people paying so much now for a piece of crap that should have been launched 3 years back.

good screen yeah, sadly thats about all I can get as a positive for it.

I can't stop laughing either :D :D :D
[Off-topic] hiimcliff:
okay come on... no name calling

i wouldnt call them retards. i would just say either they are uninformed, or they just really really really care about presentation. in my own opinion, all the presentation in the world cant make up for features. that pretty screen isn't going to keep me interested for that long.
[Off-topic] Pumpiron579:
All I know about the Iphone is that AT&T boosted something that makes my 8125 a bit faster surfing the internet.
[Off-topic] rambo6:
Steve Jobs and Apple are the geniuses of marketing. For years I've asked people why they buy I-Pods when they could have a great HTC product which has far more features for the money?

It's all about marketing "coolness". They've marketed the I-Pod so well that you're not considered "cool" if you don't walk around mindlessly with your I-Pod in hand and earphones in your ears.

The I-Pod really isn't an extraordinary device. It has a simple interface and was packaged in an attractive design. The most important thing about it was it was marketed right and they got there first.

Apple was so successful selling the device to the simple minded masses (dare I call them Morons?) and knew that if these simpletons ever woke up enough to realize that they could have a phone, music player (even one which could wirelessly stream music to headphones), and internet browser in one package and Apple didn't offer one, they'd be in trouble. So, along comes the I-Phone (Hey, maybe "I" stands for "Idiot". That makes a lot of sense.)

Apple will sell a crapload of these devices to the same idiots who purchased Idiot-Pods. (Darn, I knew I should have bought Apple stock when I first heard of the I-Phone!!) These people represent the largest market. Apple will do very well with this dumbed down device just like they did with the I-Pod.

If you don't have an I-Phone, you just aren't cool.

On the other hand, I would love HTC to offer at least one model with a larger screen and keeping the keyboard (perhaps the addition of a track ball next to the keyboard would be a nice touch.)
[Off-topic] DJ_Nitro:
True.

I just saw the news, and one of this "simple minded" (I like how it sounds) guys was interviewed, he was asked why did he buy the iphone, and the guy said proud, because it's the first phone with touchscreen.

HAHAHA, funny but sad at the same time. :(
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
ha ha ha ha ha that is freaking funny... well its nice to see what demographic apple is targeting...
[Off-topic] vp3G:
I'd bet if one were to poll the sheeple on that feature alone, the results would be shocking. :eek:
[Off-topic] masr1979:
After reading more of the thread I think your IQ drops the second you buy an iphone.
[Off-topic] pinkham21:
The iPhone is alright but it is severly lacking in features. My 8525 has way more features. This thing is basically an iPod that makes phone calls. The only plus that it has for it is that I can use the sim card in my 8525.
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
i think lack of IQ is a pre-req for owning an i product..

**notice i said i product, not apple, mac, etc... im exclusively referring to iphone, ipod, etc.. **
[Off-topic] Anticro:
Hmm, iMac? :D I think you can't say it that generally.

I have looked out for a tiny and lightweight mp3-player and compared the 4 GB iPod nano from Apple's second hand store with others and found out that I should get an iPod nano instead of another device (my PocketPC is IMHO too heavy for sports). Now I am an iOwner as well and don't think that I paid money for crap.

But tell the thing about the IQ-drop to the people in a Mac-forum. They'll cook you for lunch! :D
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
You mean iQ drop dontcha?

A girlfriend of mine who is very much into designer crap, saw this and is wanting one. I tried to explain to her why it sucks...but the truth is...she is not a techie, and for her, she will probably get an iQ dropping iPhone, and be perfectly happy being one of many sheep.

I, on the other hand, need more.
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
Just found this...

and let me say, I will need to buy stock in Depends Undergarments with all the laughing I have been doing!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070701/ap_on_hi_te/apple_iphone
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
i would certainly throw imac into my previous statement... it definitely fits the designer demographic that all the trendy kids were going after...
[Off-topic] aih1977:
Iphone Sucks Compaired To This

CHECKS THIS OUT http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/like-the...vealed-its-actually-got-some-juice-261388.php
[Off-topic] akashastrega:
pretty nice specs so far...but will it be locked like the iPhone, or open to 3rd party apps? For now, I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed for the Kaiser...although, I'm with Tmo...so it will be 10 years before I get one of those...and would do better to buy one off of eBay in 2.
[Off-topic] aih1977:
i think you can add third party apps b/c its a windows mobile 6 on it.
[Off-topic] masr1979:
Holy Sweet Mother..... $260????? for all that? THAT my friends is what you call BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. Oh and I wouldn't mint making the dropping IQ statement in an mac forum, there answer is pretty predictable. I would rather buy a Sansa or a Zen any day over an ipod.... but since I have my trusty wizard I need neither. It's not that I "hate" apple I mean that company has nothing to do with me, what I dislike a bit is the attitude it's customers have. Those apple commercials with the kid supposed to represent mac and the old duffy guy a pc basically portrays what most think.... and I'm sorry I've met a few mac users and none of them really know squat about tech, and are not what I consider to be "cool"... more what I consider wannabees. The reasons they got the mac's is because they had enough money for it, and my favorite reason put into words by one of them is "hey! according to my friend these are the same guys that make the ipod" I laughed so much when they told me that that I felt someone had punched me in the gut.
[Off-topic] starkruzr:
For all the supposed glory of MultiTouch, you can't hold Shift on that virtual KB and press a letter.

Dear God. The lame. It BLOWS ME AWAY.
[Off-topic] mestrini:
DVD Jon moves onto iPhone!

Don't know if this has been reported elsewhere but i leave it anyway.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22041189-15306,00.html

http://nanocr.eu/2007/07/

http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php?title=Alternate_Activation_Methods

:D
[Off-topic] Digital.Diablo:
It was only a matter of time before we saw a blended IPhone!

http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone

:D Oh Blendtec, we salute you!
[Off-topic] hiimcliff:
are you serious? wouldnt that be the whole purpose of "multi touch"? the phone becomes even less appealing to me. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] :
himcliffe, I must put you right on one thing - the iPhone does have a sim and it's also accessible using an unfolded paperclip.

As for the rest of what you say I think you are spot on. ;)

Anyone needing to change the battery is in for a shock too! :D
[Off-topic] DJ_Nitro:
What?, I consider what Jobs expose on January a complete LIE...

...That is what it deserves. :mad:
[Off-topic] hiimcliff:
if my hermes had that huge screen and that 620mhz processor iphones wouldnt even be a big deal.
[Off-topic] cyberdrakula:
SECOND THAT!

HTC, are you listening? A little more processing power and we're way well off than "iClown Rotary".

hehehe I kinda just coined a term I think.

.
[Off-topic] masr1979:
I was honestly hopping for the iphone to actually be good. I mean if they brought a good product to the table, then WM would have to improve in order to maintain its customers, but after hearing the stories it's hard to think that anyone would consider this a threat....... well there are a lot simple minded folk as has been said.
[Off-topic] xmrgamerx:
sigh, as good as i was hoping the iphone to be, it wasnt. i have a 8525 and am happy. but my dad on the other hand showed up with this simpleton device one day.

At first i thought it was interesting, but after a day's usage, i'll stick with my 8525. the iphone is missing the most basic of features and if it does have them, you must have to be a genius to use them.

cons

-can you beam?

-can take nice 2.0mp photos but no vids?

-if you don't d/l itunes your screwed, no way around it

-and ultimate laziness, no programs close. they go into a sudo stand-by until you access it again, can be very frustrating

p.s. it peaked my dad's interest in getting an apple pc, i told him "don't embarrass me"
[Off-topic] starkruzr:
I was hoping too. The real killers for me are the crippled Bluetooth (worse even than what Verizon does to their customers) and the antipathy toward development for the platform. If the iPhone had a native SDK I might have hocked my 8525 on eBay; the promise of all that great Mac software in my pocket was just too much of a siren call to resist. I don't even really care about 3G; all the 3G plans you can get are too expensive for me and I don't live in an area where you can get it.
[Off-topic] devis:
I don't care much about the iPhone however they market it or how wonderful they make it to be. My real beef with Apple is this whole iXXXXX line. iLife, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, iScrewedyourwife, iEmptiedyourpockets, iGetrichbecauseofdumbasses, iCreatedacult, iMakeyoubelieveyou'reauniquesnowflake.

Sorry... but no matter what iCRAP you name your iCRAP it's still that... iCRAP!

On that note...

how about an honest product :)

A Panther powered dildo with firewire interface and 3 Gb of RAM that downloads different screwing rhythms from iTunes XXX section. We'll call that iPenetrate
[Off-topic] Pumpiron579:
I will drink to that....
[Off-topic] kalya:
Why compare it with a PDA?

Hi,

After reading all the specs it is clear that i-phone is not a PDA in the first place,not even a smart phone as there's no possibility of any third party specialized softwares(eg.I use skyscape's).

It is an i-pod with a phone, that's it.Just because it has a trendy TOUCH-SCREEN should not be the criterion to compare it with the PDAs.IT DOES NOT DESERVE THAT HONOUR.

No doubt it looks nice, but that is all.I know many people who bought Jasjar-Exec-just for the swivel screen and knowing zilch about its capability.

Whoever wants i-phone would get one,ignorant people are bound to be impressed with only looks and not the functionality.
[Off-topic] ND4SPD:
where's iphone devs?

looks like i've come to join the rant against the iPhone :D

my friend's dad got one the day after it came out. first time they went on youtube the phone froze and had to be reset. it then missed 4 calls on the same day.

No 3rd party apps and no sdk... looks like there won't be an iphone-developers.com anytime soon know will there?

i'd rather keep my ancient MPx200 or Wizard thank you very much.
[Off-topic] masr1979:
Well on a positive note, someone has managed to run some unsigned code on the thing. Although I will not be getting one, for those that want to play with their phones a bit I hope that this leads to some great things for this "technological marvel".....LOL I'm such a sarcastic bastard :D

No really I hope that some devs start doing some nice apps for the idiotphone.
[Off-topic] mikeeey:
Such a thread! i didnt know exists!!

i am here to say i hate the iphone:D

because of it, people are getting more and more stupid and saying annoying things to us such as "first ever touchscreen phone" and they make it sound like its the only phone with an OS. they also arent aware windows phones exist, are so much better, and do much more things, such as allowing 3rd party apps.

another thing i dont like about the iphone is it has no buttons! this means space must be reserved on the screen as buttons. say if they ever do get games on it, you will need to waste half of the screen for buttons.
[Off-topic] OdeeanRDeathshead:
"hello world" is now on the iphone. There is hope for the thing after all.

My dad downloaded the apple video and showed me how "good" it is. It is realy starting to infuriate me.
[Off-topic] NewForce:
To me,

iPhone is the first crippled PDA phone released in the year of 2007 where other Smart/PDA phones were full tonnes of features.

Congratulation APPLE fool !

You've definitely got all the attention

from us, the PDA lovers, out of the very success IPOD!
[Off-topic] rassah:
I absolutely LOVE the irony that apple junkies see themselves as the hippie crowd that doesn't like to support big powerfull corporations, and preffer to be the underdog; power-to-the-people if you will

And yet, every single person who has purchased an iPhone has supported a giant corporation that was sued for and was obviously complicit in helping the US government illegally wiretap US citizens. That doesn't sound very cool to me at all.
[Off-topic] masr1979:
You also forgot that most think that they are the most unique people on the face of the world.... I mean they bought an ipod for Christ sake. If that doesn't make you unique I don't know what does LOL!
[Off-topic] rassah:
iSheep go iBaaaaah
[Off-topic] devis:
Remember "Life of Brian"?\

Brian is standing on the window telling the crowds below "You dont need to follow anybody. You're all individuals" Crowd goes "YES" and one guy goes "I'm not"

Who can tell me... How many iPod/iPhone users are there in that crowd and how many aren't? :)
[Off-topic] mikeeey:
if it makes you guys feel any better tho, PC controls 90% of the market.

and

most of the iphone money doesnt go to apple, but it goes to companies like samsung, who make the hardware inside. samsung makes some good processors for our pocket pcs. if they make more money off the iphone they will make our pocket pc's better!
[Off-topic] rambo6:
After showing one of my ambulance chasing lawyer friends what an 8525 can do, he walked straight into an AT&T store where he was promotly sold an iphone. I love to watch him try to type on that keyboard. It's really a hoot.

I do like the bigger screen. The HTC Omni (due out in Oct.) looks like it has a beatiful large screen. I cannot wait. My old tired eyes need a break.

BTW, my 3 year old Blue Angel with only gprs does Google Maps as well or than the Iphone with edge, and has more features.
[Off-topic] devis:
When I bought the Blue Angel back in 05 for some 800 dollars everyone was looking at me like I was a nut. I didn't even blink... as soon as the direct deposit was in I went straight to the site. What a device!

Not to mention, I enticed one of the partners at my work to go buy one too...

And now the same folks who were booing me are iphone owners :)
[Off-topic] devis:
I have a question... can the iPhone only download iTunes videos? Cause if that is the case little screen porn loves may find themselves a little dissapointed :)
[Off-topic] Anticro:
AFAIK you can convert any video you like to the iPhone's format and upload it via iTunes.
[Off-topic] Mr.Clark:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way the iPhone looks better than the Kaiser is that it's got a reinforced screen.

Touchscreen? Check

MP3 player? Check

Makes and receives calls, texts and emails? Check

The Kaiser also has:

GPS, 3G, HSDPA, a real keyboard, the ability to switch memory cards, the ability to change the battery, the ability to Copy and Paste, the ability to change the SIM, the ability to install more software...

Need I go on?
[Off-topic] kattivone:
Hi to everybody, this discussion made me thinking about HTC marketing policies, compared to Apple's...

I mean, Steve Jobs is doing his job well, he made the average consumer think that iPhone's technology is 5 years ahead, which is clearly b***t, but that's ok since this market is clearly emotionally-driven otherwise I cannot explain why so many people are buying that Apple thing...

What is not so clear is why HTC is not pushing its products properly: better features,better value for money,better customization,better compatibility with microsoft,etc...I tried the iPhone when I was in N.Y. (I'm Italian,no IPhone here yet), and I must say that even the interface has not excited me...my WM6 Tytn with spb mobile shell,phone suite & weather is really more user-friendly,without mentioning all other applications...

I'm wondering why I cannot see any advertisement or effective marketing actions for HTC products (apart in ultra-specialized magazines)!

Is this situation different in US or other countries? The point here is not whether hermes is better or not (clear) but why HTC is not targeting the common customer (meaning potential customers different than professionals or tech experts) :confused:
[Off-topic] borealcool:
Microsoft has a very short window of opportunity to add iPhone ease of use and Vista style eye candy into WM7 before Apple releases its next-gen unit. I don't have an iPhone, but iDiots making video mock-ups on how to address its lack of basic functionality is a sure bet it's far from perfect:

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/08/fan-made-copy-a.html

No Copy/Paste, d'oh!
[Off-topic] ericc191:
Here's a link to info on some new Sandisk 6GB and 8GB Micro SD Cards being developed. 8GB of storage on my 8525 sounds pretty good to me!

"With these new cards, any mobile phone with a compatible microSDHC slot will have just as much storage as the largest-capacity iPhone," said Jeff Kost, vice president and general manager of the Mobile Consumer Solutions division at SanDisk.

http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/1500/sandisk-8gb-microsdhc/
[Off-topic] craigpeters:
AFAIK, the SDHC cards don't work with the 8525 or wizard. I bought a 4GB and it couldn't be recognized by my computer or my PPC. $60 trashed
[Off-topic] KarmaNP:
They do now, if you have the latest cooked ROM, with the SDHC support.
[Off-topic] the-equinoxe:
Well, there are good iPhones, I have placed a picture of the best kind of iPhone below:)

Unlock went up in smoke ;)

Original posting found here
[Off-topic] decknologist:
Agreed: Check here

Brilliant!

( . . . apologies to the thousands who have already seen it!)
[Off-topic] todd737:
I think like anything Apple makes it will be real cool in around its 6th gen. I am sorta surprised that they were so good at marketing old technology; I mean really, who of us that waited for 3G really wants to go back to EDGE?

It would be cool however if my Hermes had 8gigs and I didn't have to think about having too many programs open. And that iphone screen is dope, bright and hard, which will last longer and wear better than the soft and scratch-able one on my 8525 and soon to get TyTN II.

I also like the mobile browser, it is the real web. Now only if it had all the features of what HTC was putting out years ago...
[Off-topic] Pumpiron579:
There also is a cab file floating around that fixes that issue
[Off-topic] myrandex:
I'm completely not a fan, even of the new one with the GPS and 3G, however there are some good points.

The battery life is pretty strong, even when using it as a MP3/Video player.

The Screen is amazing, esp the hard touch surface that feels very scratch resistent, and the size / resolution seems very nice, and the brightness is good as well.

The device is very responsive. I don't know what CPU or Memory they have used, but it is always very quick. It doesn't stutter when rotating the screen (liky my 8125 and 8525 have done).

But yea lol 3 positives for a butload of negatives, no thx.
[Off-topic] mariner_heart:
a real enthusiast will hang himself if forced to use an iphone for a week!

it just has a free flowing interface and ..thats what it has!
[Off-topic] fzzyrn:
i'd rather have a triple bypass by a somali child surgeon using rusty nails as tools than use an iphone

no offense to somali child surgeons
[Off-topic] the-equinoxe:
changing sides..

oops, I am getting one..

Lets see if they are that good or that bad, or something in between.

Anyway, it's a nice shiny new toy ;)
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Damnit! I've been ranting about the iPhone since it was first released, and I've only just found this thread!

iPhones are over priced, underspeced, over hyped pieces of iCrap.

:D
[Off-topic] moos:
Apple has won the "overhyping" periode of the Iphone. Something Apple is good at.

For the rest, there's not a single thing our HTC devices cannot do what the Iphone can. As a matter of fact, our devices our capable of much more.
[Off-topic] jadephyre:
plus you can install new software fairly easy... and you do NOT have to risk bricking a Windows Mobile Phone if you want to install 3rd Party Apps
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Except if it's one of my very own experimental tools that goes through the registry deleting things, and randomly deletes files... I love being an idiot :D
[Off-topic] tramane:
Shame ON ME

i traded my 8525 for an iphone yesterday!

Woe is me

i cant type worth a damn on this thing

I did hack it though since i recently switched to TMO

So the lack of 3g is a given on Tmobile USA anyway

Overall: Its a fun toy, but im still gonna get me a KAISER or a Curve

(i know i know its a blackberry)
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
I was trying out some new things... Code loops, registry functions, file operations etc, and that was the most interesting thing to make...

Unless I go for some OpenNetCF action, the LEDs and sound may take some digging... (Can't be bothered to learn C++ so stuck with C# for now... Problems with that come when I delete the .NET CF required files)