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[G4 General] rav101:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=62357781
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
I've been using v71 since earlier this morning when the 5.1 version was posted. All is well so far.
[G4 General] M1LL3R:
Thanks for the info :D
[G4 General] jayden2009:
Should i install or not lol ...

Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-H815 met Tapatalk
[G4 General] rav101:
Sure... Just do an nandroid first.... I've learnt that lesson the hard way!!!
[G4 General] Activadee:
Just flashed xposed v71. No reboot! I Love it:) finally
[G4 General] nerunexus:
Thanks for the feedback.

I'm on a locked boot loader so I can't flash from recovery. Ill have to look at this tonight.
[G4 General] jayden2009:
Yup its booting up !!!

---------- Post added at 09:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:33 PM ----------

You have sound during phonecalls ? because someone mentioned that was a problem...
[G4 General] rav101:
Just installed on Euro H815. It has booted up. Next thing will be to test compatibility of modules :)

Module Compatibility:

Youtube Adaway: Working

Intelli3G: Working

Greenify: Unsure, need to double check but I don't think settings are sticking which is causing issues with auto hibernation

SnapPrefs: Not working

Amplify: Not working
[G4 General] slubsocks:
It's working

Yes!!! Finally have Xposed back.
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
The person having issues with phone calls in the thread was on a Moto G. Call sound is working just fine for me.
[G4 General] drivel2787:
My life is complete LOL
[G4 General] energyword:
No issues for phone calls. LG H815 UE 10d

Now all we need is we G4 tweaksbox to TOP

Inviato dal mio LG-H815 utilizzando Tapatalk
[G4 General] shoes22:
For those of us with a locked bootloader, would a stock LG system img with the Xposed bridge pre-installed (similar to how we got SuperSU and root access) work for bypassing that restriction?
[G4 General] datajosh:
I don't know for sure but it certainly sounds feasible
[G4 General] djkinetic:
Hoping for a locked bl version soon.
[G4 General] mrwinkle:
Xposed GEL working
[G4 General] asaf400:
Care to elaborate friend? ?
[G4 General] tschulieh:
Which zips do I need for it to work on my g4?

So looking forward to use xposed :)
[G4 General] darrenjdoc:
3.0 alpha 4 apk and arm 64 zip.
[G4 General] poczynek:
So definitely need a custom recovery to install?
[G4 General] AhsanU:
You need the xposed installer apk from rovo89's thread and the arm64 zip from romracer's thread. Install the xposed installer first, then boot into recovery to install the zip.

Greenify works well, as do the flat style modules. The flat style bar indicator has one issue as the data doesn't show 4g or H+ or anything.
[G4 General] djkinetic:
I tried manually replacing the files, unfortuantely when u get to the Lib64 version of libsigchain.so you can't replace it as its in use, when u rename it u lose access to the file system and can't make any further changes, adb stops working as well, and u bootloop upon restart. having to KDZ back to stock.
[G4 General] meloos:
it can be injected offline and flashed back with dd - same as with rooted images ;)
[G4 General] asaf400:
Cool, I'll try it when i get home, as i do not want to unlock my bootloader to install xposed through Twrp recovery..

As i understand it, previous posts are about just that..
[G4 General] meloos:
Yeah they are, basically if you really need/want xposed, you have to unpack you backed up system img (like in root thread), do everything just like in the xposed install script in xposed zip, pack it up again, flash again via dd, and yep it should work
[G4 General] AvivEliyahu:
Did anyone try flashing it using 'flashify' ? this way you can flash zip without going into recovery mode..
[G4 General] android404:
Whatever you do, don't experiment with getting xposed to work without recovery if there's no kdz file for your version available. You have to be able to follow the "get back to stock" thread in case something guess wrong.
[G4 General] asaf400:
Offcourse, having kdz is the basis for all tinkering with LG devices

flashify is just a 'proxy app'

for a custom recovery, it interfaces between android as an app to recovery (API), you must still have a custom recovery installed, which means

You need to have an unlocked botloader..
[G4 General] AvivEliyahu:
Damn.. Stupid LG didnt make it possible yet :( guess ill have to wait
[G4 General] inks:
Actually, you can replace libsigchain.so without recovery (I just did). You need TWO things:

busybox installed

your path set to ONLY the busybox folder

The reason why you "lose access to the filesystem" probably has something to do with breaking toolbox lib dependency.

The instructions I posted a few weeks earlier almost works. I did something different *once* (I think I ran flash-script in an ash shell). Regardless, with busybox installed, you can recover from the weird libsigchain.so error. You do this by re-editing your path to point to busybox again (it seems to reset to using toolbox during a certain part of the flash-script.sh, I'm not clear exactly why). My guess is that some of the toolbox applets use libsigchain.so as a dependency. The moment flash-script "backs up" libsigchain.so by renaming it to libsigchain.so.orig is when the error occurs (as /system/lib64/libsigchain.so is then missing).
[G4 General] asaf400:
Check my update on the subject of installing without a custom recovery HERE
[G4 General] jayden2009:
I've just uninstalled xposed....it makes my phone a lot slower and I have to much lag.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-H815 met Tapatalk
[G4 General] drivel2787:
My phone works great and has it installed.
[G4 General] RenaKunisaki:
So if I'm understanding correctly, we can dump system.img from our device, copy it to PC, install XPosed there and flash the modified system.img back to the device, and it'll work? Even with locked bootloader/models other than H815?
[G4 General] asaf400:
Yes, see my earlier post, for specific ways to do it, and in that thread look for later posts
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
An easier way to do it is to simply use FlashFire by Chainfire. The installation that way takes between 10-30 minutes of black screen, so leave it charging, and be patient. It is easy, and it works, though.
[G4 General] obsidianfirefly:
If you're using the experimental settings for greenify, do they stay enabled after a reboot for you?

Edit: Nevermind it's a known issue
[G4 General] AhsanU:
Yeah, it doesn't stick but I think it's still working without rebooting.
[G4 General] DTR204:
Confirmed???

More details plz
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
What details do you need? I said everything there is to say. Flash Xposed using Flashfire. It can take half an hour to flash that way, but it does work, so just be patient until it finally finishes. If you want to know more about Flashfire, there's plenty of information about it in the Flashfire thread.
[G4 General] DTR204:
I guess I was a bit vague, sorry.

I was just curious because it was mentioned once and then no one else commented about it.

I didn't want to be the second person to attempt something that may end up in a boot loop, but I really want exposed on my g4 so I guess I will end up giving it a go.

I do appreciate your find, and your risk of 'being the first' ;) Cheers!
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
You are far from the first person to flash Xposed this way.
[G4 General] DTR204:
The semantics here are making my head hurt...

I meant the first to mention flashing xposed with flashfire ON THE G4.

I am quite familiar with flashing xposed, and using flashfire to do so, but prior to this being mentioned on this post we had to rip a system img, apply xposed, then flash the img back. I was really just hoping to hear a few other people say this could be skipped by using flashfire to install safely ON THE G4.
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
Well, to be clear, you are far from the first person to use Flashfire to flash Xposed ON THE G4.
[G4 General] DTR204:
In all fairness i was contributing you to being the first... I was pondering repeating your suggestion, making me the second lol.

But aparrently everything i have said was wrong in one way or another, so I am gonna go sulk over my lost internet points while attempting to flash xposed with flashfire :silly:
[G4 General] cajunflavoredbob:
I have actually never used Flashfire to flash anything, since I have the H811 model. I use recovery to flash things. I don't recall who first suggested Flashfire as an alternative, but it was pretty much right after root was achieved. Everyone who doesn't have the ability to flash a custom recovery has been using it since then as far as I'm aware. As of now, the only people who have had trouble with Flashfire are the ones who got scared and didn't wait until it finished the long flashing process.
[X 2014 General] grubber24:
Will try to implement these great tips. Have you tried to use Camera 360 Paid version too? I was actually able to tweak some shutter speed in it. Had i understood more about it, it would have really helped a lot. Its only problem is that the app keeps running in the background causing huge useless battery drain.

I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Actually there is some sort of internal software filtering which is applied at the time of shot capturing which you cant bypass unless the phone has got unlocked RAW shooting capabilities which Moto X hasn't got yet. So the damage is already done at the time of capturing itself which can't be reversed. The effective solution is to shoot in 8MP/5MP mode. If you have better camera app then it will be able to do more betterment since we are minimizing the internal damages caused by the flawed internal filtering in the firmware.

Please see the samples attached by me at 100%, you will get what I mean. :)
[X 2014 General] seabass950:
Ehhh the samples don't look very good. Best advice is to take pics at highest resolution and use imagenomic noiseware.
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Obviously, I did not capture the shots to submit into some photo contest, I was emphasizing on something different which I have explained in detail in the opening post. Whatever I have posted are cropped portions of the full resolution images :)

Noise removal tools will do magics if you apply them on 8MP/5MP shots instead of the 13MP. The max possible resolution is actually spoiling the pictures in the case of MotoX. It adds hell lot of artifacts in the 13MP pictures, thats what I meant by this post. To make things more clear, its not like typical downsizing to reduce the noise. Infact downsizing the 13MP shots into 8MP or 5MP won't reduce the artifacts, those will remain there but capturing the images directly into the 8MP/5MP modes yielding much different and better results.

Please test yourself if you don't believe me. :)

EDIT:

All of the images I posted were unedited except resizing and cropping.

Here is one comparo which shows the terrible artifacts ruining the pictures and they exist only in the 13MP shots:

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400% upsized version:

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[X 2014 General] grubber24:
See this image shot from the stock moto camera at 13mp with manual focus and manual exposure. Just added my signature in it! I think the camera app did pretty awesome in just a flash and macro mode even in low light! Surprisingly!
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Here are crops from the few test shots I captured in 8MP mode today, no other editing except cropping.

Pictures are coming out much more clearer, no ugly artifacts, no need for any post processing to clean out the noise now. :)

Post processing has become a breeze now, earlier artifact were coming in the way of post processing if I wanted to add some effects or wanted to add more sharpness in the pictures.

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[X 2014 General] chrisrozon:
Tl/Dr: use Google Camera at 5 or 8 mp, pictures automatically become better?
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Yes. Try yourself to belive it. :)

Shoot few different light condition shots at 13MP, 8MP and 5MP then see yourself the difference by zooming into the pictures, probably on computer monitor. You will find ugly artifacts only in the 13MP mode which won't be in the other two modes.
[X 2014 General] MisterEdF:
So true about megapixels not mattering much.

Here is a "famous" article from 2008 when the megapixel wars started in earnest. It was wriiten about DSLR's but applies here as well.

Interesting read if you like this kind of stuff:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm
[X 2014 General] Julianocas:
I'm using HTC Camera for a while now and after this thread I realize that the highest resolution from the app is 9.7MP.

With the best autofocus I've ever seen, this camera is the best.
[X 2014 General] CUBENSIS:
I just did some limited testing of 13mp vs 5mp. Low light shooting a group of objects, some with text on them. 5mp definitely better. Object borders less blurred. Text easier to read in 5mp. I used the debug settings in the stock camera. Made accessible w/ the xposed module known as "moto checkbox"
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
That is widescreen mode which is there in the stock camera app as well. Read the point number "2" in my opening post for detailed explanation. You will have to shoot in median (3840X2160 mode to get 8MP equivalent quality.

If using xposed then you must also see few options for noise filtering? If so then see if there is chcekbox for QC denoise or similar, if it is then turn it off. Now you can get more details in the 13MP but pictures will be grainy/noisy, especially in lowlight situations.

So if one wants decent quality pictures straight out of the camera then better to shoot in 5MP or 8MP resolutions.
[X 2014 General] lord dredd:
Great work indeed jacky !!! You seem tonknow your images well and how to capture em .. way to go mate .

All the best
[X 2014 General] bellick:
any way to fix the focus issue of the camera? i believe i'm not the only one facing issues while attempting to take macro shots :p not that it really matters much to me.. hardly use the camera but yeah. this phone would've been a lot more popular if the camera was on par with the rest!
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Believe me, this is one of the best cellphone camera I've come across. so far.

Have a look at these macro shots I posted earlier after following the majors I posted in the opening post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=61501824&postcount=7

About the focusing issue, have you tried enabling manual focus and turning off Auto HDR off? Also try out some other apps, please go thorough my opening post for hints on apps and other tips.

Only hardware problem this phone has got is that the lens is little bit misaligned at one corner so around 15-20% portion in that area always comes out blurred. Though most of other cellphone cameras also don't have perfect lenses all around the corners.
[X 2014 General] grubber24:
Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement! Now i am really getting great macro shots from the camera which i can boast about. Just one question, have u tried to revert back to earlier camera versions and done this analysis?

I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Yeah, I had spent whole day yesterday on the analysis and thread post, rather have been experimenting a lot since I bought the phone and almost tried all the good camera apps available in the market. Reason was it was getting hard to digest for me that my previous 8MP Motorola phone was delivering better results than the 13MP of MotoX which is from the 3 years old generation compared to the MotoX which has got one of the best sensor.

I have lot of pictures captured from different stock camera app versions in different Android firmwares since Kitkat to 5.1 and all of those were captured in 13MP mode and all of them have ugly artifacts. I always thought to resize all of my MotoX captures into half but that downsizing also didn't help.

Only wish that the idea of capturing the photos in the low resolution would have come earlier in my mind, I would have had all of my previous captures in this new found better quality. :cool:

Now I am not using the stock app since it doesn't allow changing the resolution. Only wish we could set other app of our liking as default which can be launched using voice command and twist wrist gesture.
[X 2014 General] adm1jtg:
I loaded the xposed moto checkbox module and with the dev options for camera turned on you can change picture size to:

4160x2340

3840x2160

3264x1836

2592x1458

1920x1080

1280x720

Would this not work for the methods your recommending? Or am I missing something?
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
That will definitely work, just make sure that you are capturing in 5MP/4:3 ratio or 8MP/4:3 ratio, not the 9.7MP/16:9 ratio mode. Please see my post number 13.

If we can reach to Motorola then I have more ideas to share with them, but that looks highly unlikely. They look least interested in the camera, look at the terrible picture quality 20MP camera of Moto Droid Turbo produces. And hopes are more down after knowing that the company is now owned by new Chinese parent Lenovo. :(
[X 2014 General] adm1jtg:
4160x2340

3840x2160

3264x1836

2592x1458

1920x1080

1280x720

Specifically which of the above are the 5mp and 8mp 4:3

EDIT: I see earlier that you list the 8mp as 3840x2160 ... whats the 5mp 4:3 resolution to use?
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
All of them are looking 16:9 crops in your list of options.

3264x1836 is the 16:9 cropped equivalent of 8MP and 2592x1458 is the 16:9 crop of 5MP.

See if you have set default size in your camera to 9.7MP/16:9 mode. If so then change it to 13MP/4:3 mode first then look into the xposed module, then you should find proper 4:3 options which are 8MP = 2448 X 3264 and 5 MP = 1944 X 2592.
[X 2014 General] adm1jtg:
That worked perfectly.

Just for anyone else following in the main camera app I changed from widescreen to standard just as op stated and now under developer options/ui settings/picture sizes I have the following resolution options:

4160x3120

3264x2448

2592x1944

1440x1080

1280x960

640x480

So it seems if you find one of the many ways to enable developer options in the stock moto camera we can use it as OP recommends thus no need to change camera apps at all and twist camera will work :D
[X 2014 General] grubber24:
So all in all, do you recommend using the motorola camera + which is basically the same as the stock camera but it allows us to change the resolutions. Or any other camera?

I will miss the twist wrist gestures but photo quality is more important.

I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
[X 2014 General] adm1jtg:
Read my post above we CAN use the stock moto camera in the way OP is recommending
[X 2014 General] grubber24:
I cannot see ui settings in developer options after changing to standard from Widescreen setting. Are you rooted and using xposed or something to get it?

I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
If you are rooted then the flashable version of the camera+ is also available and that solves both the issues of picture quality as well as making it as default camera which works on voice command and wrist gestures. Or use xposed modules.

If not rooted then just use Camera+, Google Camera, A Better Camera or snap Camera, whichever suites to you. All of these are true camera capturing apps and not some image editing apps which add some effects in post processing after capturing normal shots.

Also see if the app you are using supports change in the JPG compression. If so then set the JPG compression to 100% which is usually is set to 90% or 95% by default. It will increase the size of saved files but there won't be any artifact caused by compression. 'A Better Camera' does it for me. The option was there in the Camera+ as well in the past but I don't find that option now.
[X 2014 General] adm1jtg:
You need a mod to enable developer options in the camera ap. When its enabled you will see a small ladybug type icon that will appear on the camera screen in the bottom right corner. I have enabled developer options in the camera via xposed but I believe there are other ways to enable it as well.
[X 2014 General] imaginaryenemy:
I think a major flaw in this logic is that all noise is unjustified. In several of your examples, you are correct: the noise adds nothing and makes the picture quality look bad. However, in other examples of yours the noise is there because of the added detail that is included in the shot.

A smoothed out picture isn't always appropriate to capture the best detail. Not to mention, that in appropriately lit situations, noise is not present. All of your examples comparing different resolutions are poorly lit photos, where as your beautiful macro shots are all very well lit.

I'm not saying your findings aren't true, I'm just saying that not all situations will benefit from lower the resolution.
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Would have appreciated if you had read the post, seen the samples, followed the tricks and cared to come up with picture comparisons to counter what I have posted and proved your points.

I agree that noise in not always bad, did I say all the noises are bad? Or was I trying to generalize the logic in contrast of all type photo capturing equipment? This post was just limited to get best out of MotoX 2014. Rather I criticized other cellphone camera which actually end up delivering detail-less images on the name of noise-free images.

I have been shooting since film days and always loved the grain of higher ISO films, thats the reason I love Motorola cameras over others because if you can manage to capture RAW data out of them then you get noise pattern similar to high ISO negative films.

I have been using the modified camera+ app and had disabled noise filtering in it and was getting colorful grain all over the images. Found those images much better and detailed than the 'cleaner' stock camera pictures. That was good most of the time but not always, especially in case of portraits or pictures of group of people because that grain was ruining the smoothness in skins.

So question was still there that how to get smoother results straight out of the camera without compromising maximum possible detail which it can capture? Then I came onto the conclusion I posted in detail in the opening post.

My complain was different than typical noise, I was more concerned about the ugly 'artifacts' caused by the internal software filtering in the maximum 13MP resolution images. I wasn't complaining about the 'general' low light noise which is obvious due to tinny sensor today's mobile cameras have.

Posted more number of low light samples because those ugly artifacts are more easier to spot in the higher ISO noisy captures.

Also I clearly mentioned that the internal filtering applied by the Motorola camera driver/software isn't suitable for the 13MP shots, its best suited for 5MP or 8MP shots and the final result make the low resolution images more desirable over the maximum resolution.

Please try out and thanks for commenting.
[X 2014 General] grubber24:
Cheers to you mate! I tried A Better Camera app.. set the picture size to 8mp and photo save size to 100%. N i have to agree to you now! The detailing is classic and way better than the 13mp picture size of the same cam! I even tried to use different lighting conditions and the results were much better with 8mp than with 13 mp!

On this background, could i share the link of your post on the Moto X google plus page and tag Michelle Gattuso, the person responsible for the camera app development at motorola?

I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
[X 2014 General] walrusmonarch:
I just tried setting google camera to take 8 MP pictures. You are right! The picture looks significantly better with minimal loss in detail! Would have never thought of trying this myself. Thanks man! :good:

Edit:

Open Camera is also a really nice app.
[X 2014 General] Jack Sparrow xda:
Feel free to do so, hope it helps us. :)

Yeah, that is also one nice app :)