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[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nikitha:
On my D855 No Brand EUR, I'm unable to enable see the VoLTE and WIfi Calling menù.

I've tried both with v20h-eur and v20p-eur. firmware

Please can you explain to me if there's a wait for my D855 No Brand EUR to have VoLTE functionality? For the moment I need only to see that feature on the Setting Menù to make sure that it will work with providers that alredy improved VoLTE.

Thanks a lot.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ypsmav:
Afaik, it is found only on Vodafone branded roms.

If you install the 20p KDZ you'll get it.

Sent from my phone
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nikitha:
Now I have v20p-EUR-XX but I don't have the VoLTE option under Settings Menù.

I've also tried to enable it using 3845#*855# under LTE Only setting VoLTE radio on and rebooting the phone without success.

Always on 3845#*855# menù, if I go into IMS it returns the following error: "IMS VoLTE packages doesn't exist" so I'm very confused.

Is there somebody that has a No Brand G3 and is seeing VoLTE Settings menù?
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
BREAKING NEWS

Get the preview as an OTA update now.

See this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/fire-tv/general/android-5-onboard-t3181226

Go get some.

https://developer.amazon.com/public...10/Announcing-the-Fire-OS-5-Developer-Preview
[Fire TV General] One4mNoWhere:
Any info if it can be rooted after the update?
[Fire TV General] gamer765:
Only for 2014 Fire HD tablets, unless you happen to have a 5.0 Fire TV image that isn't available on the Amazon developer preview page.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
This is an extremely long way off for the Fire TV. Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it. Now there is probably gonna be people that hate that I say that, but they are still runnning Jellybean while the Fire Tabet is running Kitkat so that should tell em that Fire OS 5 is a long tme away for the Fire TV.

To be honest, right now I would settle for Android 4.4 on my Fire TV, cause I would love to use all my apps again. Several apps that I use now require Android 4.4 so it woud be nice for Amazon to upgrade the Fire TV to Android 4.4. Whats the holdup Amazon, we need Android 4..4. Don't treat the Fire TV like a hobby.
[Fire TV General] freezer2k:
You don't know that,

Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
[Fire TV General] KLit75:
I agree its a good possibility and choices companies made in the past is not always a clear indication they'll stay consistent. When the kindle fire hd came out for most consumers (not necessarily xda members) you had fewer choices for tablets--pay a lot for a high end iPad or galaxy OR get a nice midranges device like kfhd for considerably cheaper (or buy a really crappy generic running android). Not real competition.

For settop boxes it was even worse. But of course all of that's changed and now the bar has been raised forcing apple, and maybe soon roku, to come up with something better. I also wouldn't think it logical that we'll get kk before lollipop. I have a macbook from 2010 that didn't get the mountain lion update but since then has gotten mavericks and then Yosemite. I realize it might not be exactly the same but just a thought that its not unprecedented for a company to do that.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
Yes it could get it this year, but using the past as an indicator its not likely. Android in general makes a lot of sense to use as a media center, but the Fire TV is not a media center in Amazons eyes. Not one time has Amazon described it as a media center or even used the words media center anywhere when describimg the Fire TV. We can use it as a media center, but the Fire TV has many uses. Just because you see Android 5.0 as a better version to use as a media center does not mean Amazon is going to rush it to us. Android 4.4 would aslo be better for the Fire TV, but Amazon has not even gave us that yet. Don't get mad just because you can't face facts. It is extremy clear that Amazon sets a pecking order for their devices and the Fire TV is at the bottom of the pecking order in terms of upgrades. Fire Tablet, running KitKat for 8 months, Fire Phone, running KitKat for 2 months, Fire TV, still stuck with Jellybean. That should tell you something. Look at how many updates we have gotten for the Fire TV and not one time has Amazon mentioned upgrading to KitKat, but they did release statemnts saying when KitKat was coming to the Fire Tablet and Fire Phone, which was vague, but they still released statements saying KitKat was coming to those devices. Amazon has been beyond great at giving us firmware updates for the Fire TV, but not so great when it comes to Android verson upgrades.

Based on the fire TV still running Android 4.2.2 it is not likely that it will be running Android 5.0 by the end of this year. Do you not realize that the Fire Tablet has been running KitKat for 8 months and Amazon still has not even upgraded the Fire TV to KitKat? Not only that, but Amazon released a statement saying in September of last year saying the Fire Phone would be getting KitKat early 2015 and it did not come for another 7 months. Like a wise man once said, if you wanna know whats going to happen in the future look at the past. Companies are creatures of habit just like peeople are, and you should always look at hhow they done things in th past to predict the future. I would love to be wrong about this, but based on the Fire TV not even being upgraded to Android 4.4 yet I do not see them giving us Android 5.0 anytime soon.
[Fire TV General] jpeg42:
What a nice response. Thanks KLit75!!
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
Good points. The Fire TV is overdue an update., and they were smart to go straight to L rather than waste time on K. I also agree now that M is starting to doing the rounds, and given that L seems to be more like Lemon than Lollipop, it would be even smarter to skip it as well.

Amazon knows what it's doing.
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
Can we keep this thread about Fire OS 5, please.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
How did Kodi and piracy get brought into this?

Going to Android 5 makes a lot of sense for the Fire TV. For that matter, going to an Amazon'd version of Android TV makes a lot of sense. Let FTV take advantage of all the AndroidTV updates, lean-back compatible apps, live tv features...
[Fire TV General] retroben:
Don't forget hopefully adding the latest Qualcomm drivers for fixing a large number of issues seen in the current ancient V@14.0 ones on FireTV.

Applying the latest drivers (V@66 or V@94/95) would cause a massive performance boost,killing all of the lag an many instances.

I am curious how Goat Simulator would run on the latest drivers.

It runs surprisingly well already considering how old the drivers are.
[Fire TV General] KLit75:
Making an argument/speculating as to how a company decides whether to upgrade the os is what i was attempting. If we dont do that (or something along those lines) Im not really sure where this thread goes, other than "well i hope we get lollipop." And "yeah me too."

The kodi/piracy thing was just a little insight on the thought pattern, or lack there of, of a large business. As many of you know, these meetings are done privately and so are the decisions. To me it fits, but i really have no desire to turn this into yet another war of a ridiculous amount of words so i respect your request. And will stop.

Sorry for the admittedly long post. I dont think it was as off topic as some people believe but it could've been more concise. Also, maybe not appropriate post for a tech website.
[Fire TV General] captainjapan:
Thanks Obama.
[Fire TV General] KLit75:
Yes. Because if youre "informed" you know hes such an enemy of large companies, such as amazon, that his political rivals agree (probably for the 1st time) he should be given fast track authority for reasons i vaguely referenced in my prior posts.

I wont preach or resort to name calling (which if you really knew me youd know id consider your last comment to be just that.)

Lets just keep it light. I hope aftv gets lollipop and when they do it wont matter to me

who's president. Not that it really mattered to me before.

One of the reasons i liked xda was because it was almost completely non-political. But for the past year ive listened to users complain about amazon's "controlled ecosystem". I guess i didnt think it was inappropriate to examine the root causes just a tiny bit. I was wrong. And to be honest Im happy to be wrong.
[Fire TV General] captainjapan:
Wow.... I'll be honest I was just throwing a random "thanks obama" out there....
[Fire TV General] KLit75:
Yeah. Sorry man. It was a knee jerk reaction and once again off topic. And i actually thought about it afterwards that you didnt even quote me so...yeah. What can i say but i need to lighten up and lay off the caffeine. My apologies to [MENTION=657379]captainjapan[/MENTION].
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
Since we are already waaay of topic, let me bring it semi-sorta-kinda back on topic. Any good comparisons to the other AndroidTV L based players? Things that Nexus/Razer/nVidia boxes do that FireTV has issues with but would be helped by going to Android 5? App compatibility for sure, but what else? Any clue if going to L really means going to AndroidTV under the covers?
[Fire TV General] Annunneo:
My fire TV is rooted on an ancient firmware but bootloader locked and I'm very pleased with performance and stuff with what I do with it. I use apps for USB support, I use kodi which works wonderfully well and I use live TV apps that are excellent.

What are advantages of android TV over the current amazonified jellybean? To you people?
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
My nVidia Shield Android TV is supposed to arrive tomorrow so maybe I'll have a better answer in a week or two after I've spent time playing with it. For now the OS advantages I see (speculative) are more supported apps and games in the future and a better interface.

Another huge advantage is hardware options with each manufacturer able to modify things they way they want. AFTV = either the original or the stick. GATV = nexus player, razer forge, nvidia shield, various TVs with GATV built in, and soon I expect we will see a ton of chinese knock-offs running GATV. I have zero complaints about either of my AFTVs, they both do exactly what they are designed to and do it well. However, the current AFTV will never be a replacement for a game console for my kids. I tried - they like some of the games, but not a viable alternative. However, the nVidia shield just might be. Same for 4k, not possible with AFTV but there are a couple options with GATV.
[Fire TV General] Steve5400:
I actually tried out the nvidia shield and ended up returning it. Due in large part to my own setup. It seems to make the gaming work as advertised, you should be hooked in via ethernet cable rather than over wifi. My router and cable are in another room and the wifi just wasn't cutting it. Which basically left me with a very expensive video streaming box. It was very fast, unfortunately the android TV is just not ready for prime time. A lack of apps is mostly to blame, plus I just couldn't justify dropping another 50 dollars for a proper remote. 4k sounds nice, but my TV is only 48 inches and 1080p looks pretty good to me still. As for 5.0, I really think we'll need to wait and see what amazon decides to implement as it's light-years ahead of Android TV at this point.
[Fire TV General] KLit75:
I dont know man...seems like a very exciting device. And did i read that thread right? They already have root and unlocked bootloader?

Thinking you mightve jumped ship too early. But i didnt buy one yet so ill be watching that forum. I will say this--saw nexus player for 79.99 at Target today so that definitely wasnt "ready for primetime" but my feeling is the shield will become one of the preferred android tv boxes, if not the absolute best.

So your aftv gets better wifi reception?
[Fire TV General] Steve5400:
It's probably equal reception wise, but to stream on GRID my wifi wasn't fast enough to keep things playable (I've got a 30 mbps connection, which I've been able to stream 4k with).

It's absolutely the best option for Android TV. I really got sucked in by the specs, but when it came down to actual use, I was just not impressed.

I certainly don't want to talk badly about the Shield, as I'm sure it is great for some people. My setup isn't conducive for it to meet the expectations I had for it, so for now it's back to my fire stick.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
My situation is a bit different. I'm in the middle of relocating to a new state and taking the opportunity (or using as an excuse if you prefer) to jump to current tech. For now in my temporary living situation I'm running my Shield on a 1080p TV, dodgy wifi, and 7Mbs DSL internet. By mid-August I'll be running a 4k TV, 802.11ac wifi (or possibly LAN), and hopefully a 1G Internet connection. I'm really not that interested in streaming games from Grid or a PC, but I am looking forward to native nVidia enhanced games. Claimed double the power of an Xbox 360, plenty of storage (I have the 500G version), and the backing of major game companies. No reason not to expect 360/ps3 quality or better games that run natively.

For a variety of reasons, I'd say the AFTV is the best option for pure media playing for now, but I also think Android TV in general holds more promise. My intent is to run NSATV on my main TV and AFTV on bedroom/other TVs. <semi back on topic>Amazon has done a great job, but I'd like to see them move to an AdroidTV based version of the OS. Let them keep their modified UI, but increase compatibility so we can run all the same apps on AFTV and AndroidTV boxes as long as it meets hardware requirements.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
Current tech, as you call it, is basically just an opinion. The Fire TV is very current. Specs mean less and less these days. There are several devices with so called better specs that routinely get outperformed by devices with lesser specs. Newer is not always better. The Apple TV 1 is not a powerehouse by no means. It has 256mb of Ram, but somehow it is more than capable of being used today, and by some miracle is able to outperform some new devices. The Appe TV 1 with a Crystal HD card outperforms many new devices when playing media, and that should tell you that specs and newness really means nothing. I have an old compaq laptop with 512mb ram that even outperforms some of my newer devices. I always tell everyone when they want to use a device to use what they want and not what the internet says is better or cooler. I already see many people talking about replacing the Fire TV, but realisticaly I plan on using my Fire TV til it no longer can be used. If my Fire TV works in five years I will still be using it. I did the same with my Apple TV, I used it for 5 years til I had to switch to OpenElec, and since the switch to Openelec I have gotten another three years out of it, and now OSMC is about to be relesed for the Apple TV and I can hopefully get another couple years out of it. Don't be fooled by specs.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
Um, I respectfully disagree, current tech is not just opinion. In this case I'm referring to 4k video and hardware/Internet speeds to support it. Beyond that, I agree with what you have said. 1080p is just fine and if I were not moving I'd be keeping my 1080p TV and be happy with it for another 5+ years.

I suppose you could make the argument that the FireTV (1080p) is current tech and the nVidia Shield Android TV (4k) is emerging tech, but that's splitting hairs. Any way you look at it, I'm taking the opportunity to jump to 4k. I just wish 4k OLED TVs, or even 4k quantum dot TVs, were common and reasonably priced. As it is, my new 4k TV, whatever I end up buying, will be old tech in 5 years. Just like my existing 1080p florescent lit LCD TV today, just because something better comes along that doesn't mean the old stuff is bad. This hold true for the AFTV as well, it's last years tech in a RAPIDLY changing market but it's still a very good device that will remain a great option for a few years.
[Fire TV General] retroben:
Nvidia Android Shield TV can run Dolphin emulator and runs it the fastest.

FireTV can't even boot anything on Dolphin,and if we get the latest Qualcomm drivers update,it will hardly run decent at all,and even then,you are stuck on the last version to support ARMv7 while AArch64 is used instead and is supported on Shield TV.

I still NEED that drivers update so Mupen64Plus AE can be loads faster (plus GLideN64 GLES3.0 support) and Reicast would actually run without the stupid kernel panic crashes seen on crappy old drivers.

Also maybe PPSSPP and the android GTA games would run loads smoother.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
720p 1080p 4k, its an arguement that is also opinion based. No matter what the resoution is the media will only be as good as the source. You can take the Zapruder film and convert it to 4k and its still only ever gonna be as good as the source fie. Too many people rely on specs saying its either 1080p or 4k when in reality not all 1080p or 4k media is gonna be crystal clear, but most people think thats the case. Just channel surf and you will see what I mean. So many networks broadcast in 1080p, but the quality is much different from network to network, cause they use different cameras and encodes are different. 720p 1080p and 4k are just resolutions and by no means does it mean the quality is always going to be great. Anyone can take and video file that they have and convert it to 4k, but it is not going to make it better. The better the source file the better the quality. I am more than happy with 720p, cause most people encode higher resolution media so high that it is basically unwatchable. Sure its good to find a nice 1080p stream, but most people think the bitrate has to be so high that no matter how good your connection is and how good your hardware is its imposssibble to watch. If encoded right, with a great source file or with a great camera, 1080p and 4k are better, but thats not aways the case. Cellphones have been filming in 1080p for a while now and just look at how horrible most cellphone video is.
[Fire TV General] jainanshal:
From where did you get the Nvidia Shield TV that you were able to return it? I am thinking about buying one but not sure if I can justify the price with my needs, if I could buy it locally there's always an option to return but since buying from US is the only option for this, not sure if it can be returned.
[Fire TV General] Steve5400:
I got mine from Amazon. But I'm also in the US. So I don't know what the return policy is for international purchases.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
It's not opinion, it's a technical specification. A 4k TV is current tech, 720p is older tech. A media player that maxes out at 1080p is older tech than one that can play 4k. This is not opinion. Just like florescent backlighting is old tech, LED is current tech, and quantum dot and OLED are emerging tech.

This I agree with you completely. It's also why if I were not in the middle of a move I'd happily keep my 60" florescent backlit 1080p LCD TV and my 720p bedroom TV. Source media is slowing moving toward 4k, but it's going to be years or maybe even decades before 4k becomes the standard. On the other hand, I plan to keep whatever TV I buy for 10+ years so I'm happy to pay the 50% or so premium.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
Resolution specs are technical specs that nobody follows. Different broadcasters encode at different bitrates and different resoutions. There are even a lot of broadcasters that encode at lower bitrate than the standard. Some broadcasters even upscale 720p and call it 1080p. Sure all these resolution have standard specs, but not many people follow them. Like I said, you can convert the Zapruder Film all you want to 1080p but its still going to be a grainy 8mm tape that someone changed the resolution to 1080p.

The same thing is going to happen with 4, it will be converted media that has a higher bitrate and higher resolution, but will only be as good as the camera used and the source from which it came. There is a reason why blockbuster movies look better than independent films, cause they use computers to make it look better. Most of the reason why movies look crystal clear is because it was done on a computer. Computer graphics will always loo better than what any camera can do, so in reality resolution does not matter much. I guarantee you that I could get one 1080p one 720p and one 4k file that were all visually the same quality and unless you looked at the media info you could not tell the difference. Android screens have ben higher resolution then the iphone for a couple years now, but there are very few android devices that get compared to the iphone that anyone can say has a better screen. People ust have it in their mind that newer is better and that the higher the resoltion the better things will look, and that is far from being true. It would be true if all cameras shot amazing video and al source files were crystal clear, but they are not. If every 1080p followed the same standard then tell me why you cellphone takes horrible video. You do nt know what you are talking about.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
I think you are too busy trying to correct me to actually read what I wrote. Let me paraphrase in a way you can hopefully understand:

Current HARDWARE tech includes 4k capable devices.

Source media that can take advantage of 4k and look great will lag behind for years to come. Very little today, but over time more and more will be available and eventually it will be the norm.

I plan to keep my next TV long enough that it will eventually benefit from being 4k.

Whether or not it's worth it to buy a 4k TV today is a matter of opinion. Whether or not a TV or media player is 4k capable is technical fact.
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
Well this thread was certainly a colossal waste of hot air.
[Fire TV General] ldeveraux:
sorry? Why don't you try working on something instead of complaining.
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
Note: talking to OP.
[Fire TV General] ldeveraux:
Force of habit, and reading on tapatalk. Retracted!
[Fire TV General] davidstjohn1:
I update to the newest fire OS can I still use the ADB sideload app
[Fire TV General] jpeg42:
Ahem....

http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-fire-tv-confirmed-to-receive-fire-os-5-based-on-android-lollipop/

http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-install-fire-os-5-developer-preview-on-a-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/
[Fire TV General] Jugstah:
Great... now we just need someone to intercept the .bin update file url and perhaps it can be made into a flashable zip for modded recovery! :)
[Fire TV General] rbox:
Hopefully everyone isn't getting their hopes up... but it's entirely possible the new ROM is going to require an updated bootloader. There are plenty of phones where a major OS jump requires a new bootloader. Not saying it's definitely going to happen, but it's a possibility.
[Fire TV General] retroben:
Guess it is mandatory for them to upgrade to Lollipop now that Android Marshmallow is coming out really soon.

Would be nice if they are also fully updating the Qualcomm Adreno drivers,so I can hope this can be Frankenstein'd with the older bootloader and pre-rooted.

One downfall is the extremely likely event that several Lollipop issues will emerge including the memory leak and app issues of things not running correctly or at all anymore.
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
5 preview is out for the TV. You can install it now.

Please move discussion to this thread: http://xdaforums.com/fire-tv/general/android-5-onboard-t3181226
[Fire TV General] Mitsjke:
Any news of 24p support for Fire TV? They need to fix this.