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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
http://9to5google.com/2015/06/30/droid-turbo-soak-test-5-1-rolling-out-motorolas-david-schuster/ [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] *was* right about the blog. this is dated before either of your posts.

As far as freedom of speech, as defined by Texas v Johnson, a public web forum isn't considered "Pure Speech"...I realize you are kidding.

As far as XDA *Developers* and what should and shouldn't be deleted, this thread, at its inception, was not one. The leaked information helped users like myself to avoid losing root. Also, it harmed Motorola's Test sample in no negative way, I am sure. If anything, it saved people who might have finally sworn off of Moto phones after getting locked out of rooted. imgs (like ME) know the update existed and to not take updates.

In short, while I can see the need to respond, a quick google search shows the soak tests existence was no secret at that juncture. Xda makes mobile devices more amazing. Mods here are very balanced. You will get a post deleted almost instantly if you curse bc there are many young users excited about tech. However, something that possibly pushes development forward and hurts no one is not going to disappear as it is for the greater good of the community and there is no negative impact.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] impala454:
1. The link you posted is not the Motorola blog. The article is dated June 30th, and referring to a Google+ post by a Motorola rep the night before (June 29th).

2. My post objecting to the existence of this thread was before that, in the late afternoon on the 29th. This thread was opened four days before that on the 25th.

The negative impact is pissing off the Motorola developers. If they didn't care about people discussing the soak test or sharing the ROM then they would say so, and not emphasize it multiple times throughout the process like they do. Pissed off developers don't tend to want to help the community or users.

I don't buy the positive impact you gave of helping yourself avoid losing root. If you've rooted your phone you know full well how to avoid losing it. Exposing the soak test and discussing it against Motorola's wishes didn't change any of that, not to mention both the link you showed and the tweet from Motorola gave you that information, without discussing the soak test.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ntxct:
Duuude just give it up. You are on the minority side of the argument and even then its a dumb argument to be had. The soak is over, we have lollipop, its over. At this point I'd say what your making yourself out to be but I believe that's against the ToS here. And we all know you like to follow the rules.

Edit: Oh there's the ignore button. Cool
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] impala454:
I wasn't aware being the minority in an argument meant anything. I agree it's a dumb argument to be had. I objected to the thread's existence and from there on it was the "majority" attacking me. I was just replying to every person who post quoted me with some rebuttal, and will continue to do so as long as they keep coming.

And it is still relevant. It sets precedent for pissing off device developers in the future.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] karandpr:
Soak test is over.

Thread closed.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joeriv5692:
I got the invite as well!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] distortedloop:
I'm gonna call you mistaken.

[emoji6]

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Doug Harden:
Maybe in the next few weeks...we'll all get it.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...in-soon-owners-hope-for-lollipop-5-1-upgrade/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
Will it be possible to capture the soak ota if it goes to someone who is rooted?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aviwdoowks:
Of course

It is is /cache. But not after you update.

KingRoot is enough & easy
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
So how long before we get confirmation that this soak test is the real deal and not some VOLTE patch?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Its easier to dump logcat to a text file while downloading and get the URL.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Semseddin:
Motorola itself promised Lollipop update after a short period of time when they released the phone and that ****in short timed update took more than 9 months which is still a balloon. It is motorola who should be ashamed of themselves and you as well for talking bs.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gibosn6594:
Really not trying to troll, but couldn't this be the 911 patch?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] crowax:
This is my fear as well.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
has anyone received yet?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mobrules777:
I would just like for someone to confirm with a screenshot if it is the 5.1 update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Martingitdave:
The invites have gone out. That is first part of the process. The rest of the process has not commenced. It will likely be 24-48 hours before the update gets pushed, based on previous soak tests. However, the last few Turbo soak tests were unduly lengthy.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] nsafreak:
I thought that patch was released a couple of months ago after the initial VoLTE patch.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
For Lollipop compatibility? Nah.

I was joking at any rate...sorta. :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] CrazyRussianXDA:
GET OFF YOUR

IMAGINARY

HIGH HORSES, please.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Hey if someone can't man up and follow something they agreed to, then don't get involved.

Have some integrity. "High horses" have nothing to do with it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rlmesq:
Amazing how some people can get so excited about a phone. I wonder how they'd react to something that really MATTERS.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This isn't about high horses, this is about respecting what Motorola has created and placed rules on. Because of thought processes like we're entitled, is why Tests are not more widely used because there is no honor when it comes to following the rules.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gibosn6594:
Android Central seems to be sure it's Lollipop...though I don't know how.

http://www.androidcentral.com/droid-turbo-soak-test-beginning-soon-lollipop-incoming
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Martingitdave:
Well, I am hopeful that the call volume is finally usable. With that fixed, you can keep the rest of the new features. Ok, maybe I'd keep the nifty flashlight too.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
I am not holding my breath. But imagine if its not. Wonder how many people wind up throwing it against a wall when the download is only like 50 MB again.. :D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Martingitdave:
I've got my throwing shoes all ready to go.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] clt829:
How I Reverted to Stock

On reverting to stock:

I could not find a stock image that would work with Mofo. I downloaded the two firmware images from RootJunky, but mofo says they are not valid ext4 image files. RootJunky made a video on how do do it, and it turns out, if you unzip them, they have their own batch file that will flash everything for you, using ADB instead of Mofo. My software status is now official. Be aware this wipes everything!

[Apparently, my low post count doesn't qualify me to post links in spite of my three years of membership. You can copy/paste the text below for RootJunky's video and files.]

youtu.be/6avEPGWB8E0

rootjunkysdl.com/?device=Droid%20Turbo&folder=Firmware
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RichSPK:
Why not let Motorola worry about enforcing their NDA?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] puckstopper:
... And Motorola KNOWS certain people are going to be excited and pipe up. It's free advertising for them, and also completely deniable if things go wrong. Do you really think Moto couldn't find testers and lock them into something other than a toothless NDA if they wanted to? For the record, I don't discuss whether I've been selected or any details of any soak tests I may have participated in, but I don't understand why some of you feel the need to act so holier than thou about it.

Based on the attitudes of some of the zealots and fools in these posts I assume you've never broke the speed limit, jaywalked, littered or uttered a profanity in public either...:eek:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] D._Manley:
The real fun will start once news leaks that it's actually 5.XX LP.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wifnhzivxllo:
Can somebody explain the process for the soak tests for testers and non-testers? I am new to the whole soak test thing. I know that they send out a survey, but what happens then?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
They are worried about it - how else do they enforce peoples mouths/keyboards from spreading data they are asking not to spread? Shows how much people honor agreements. And then we wonder why software takes this long??? Very simple - you agree to do something, do it. That black and white. Or buy a different product that tailors to your needs, or create your own product, as some have done.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
I don't see what the problem is. The only thing leaked so far is that there's a soak test.

Whoopde ****ing do. No actual information was leaked. No specifics. Not even whether this is the 5.1 update we've been waiting for.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] frostysnowman3567:
How does one get invited to a soak test?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] MarkAtMoto:
We do take confidentiality seriously.

As soon as you opt into the MFN you are accepting that you will not share communications from the Motorola Feedback Network whether or not you choose to opt in or not. You opt into additional NDA's for each opportunity as well. Whether you are selected or not you are still bound by the "opportunity" NDA and the general MFN NDA when you opted into MFN..

:(

Mark

Motorola Support
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
The actually fact that there is a soak test shouldn't be here is the point.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
Better communication from Moto/VZW could have eliminated or at least somewhat decreased the amount of people running around telling everyone that they got invited to the soak test. Not saying that people should violate the NDA they signed, but part of what's causing this is the fact they had no idea if they can expect it this week, next month or in 2 years.

[MENTION=6314534]MarkAtMoto[/MENTION] it would have been great to hear more from you during the long months of complete blackout and zero communications. At least to show the community who bought your phone that someone at Motorola cares or listens.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joeriv5692:
Well I do apologize for this fact. But as someone who mentioned in another post, more communication would have been greatly appreciated. I've always admired Motorola phones and have stuck with the Turbo since I've gotten it knowing that giving up a great phone wouldn't do any justice. So when you get this info about a possible upgrade to your phone after spending countless times in search of this info, you get a little silly and make a mistake. I would completely understand if the soak doesn't come my way. I hope you understand my excitement with this. And I do apologize and appreciate the chance.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
The main reason we knew June 10 release date was bogus was there were no soak test leaks prior to June 10. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] demmo86rt:
Why do I hear Sam Jackson's voice when I read MFN NDA?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
you really think they care about the NDA on matters of this. they are just doing a last minute verification in the gen-pop in order to make sure their internal testing was not to controlled. the NDa is more of a formality which gives them authority over certain things should the chose to enforce them.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
Apparently they care about this NDA more than they care about us being upset about not knowing when we'll get lollipop, as the Motorola Community Manager jumped on this thread less than 24 hours since it started but never bothered to update us on when we're going to get lollipop despite hundreds of threads and thousands of comments here, on reddit and on the moto forums.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Right. Which means they read them all and just laughed at the Droid Turbo owners.

Forget Moto Mark. He's a joke.

There's a whole lot of frustration right now at Motorola. They've not said anything for months, so they shouldn't say anything now.

Moto Mark should apologize for Motorola's inaction on this premium phone for MONTHS, when it was rolled out as "PREMIUM" phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ilia3367:
You better tell me - why you hold all by the balls with this update?

I'm sorry for my bad English...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JTH182:
The first rule of soak test is you don't talk about soak test.

The second rule of soak test is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT SOAK TEST!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ganggreen30:
I hate little tattle tail kids telling adults what to do.. Mind your own business....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
glad someone gets it...

for those who can't wait, perhaps you should go to Apple. I'd rather wait for a polished product, then have the amount of other issues companies have, like text and reboot, or overheating.

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Apologize for Motorola for what? Again for what you pay for in a premium device, would you rather wait for nice and clean, or have issues? If you're that impatient, for the same price, try the Nexus 6 - stats are virtually the same, and has bigger screen, and you wreck update flash till your hearts content.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Murd0c:
Do you think they are still sending out invites? I realized I wasn't signed up for the soak so I registered a couple of minutes ago :banghead:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Nexus 6 is too big. But YOU made that point.

Moto Nexus 6 (which has almost identical internals to the Droid Turbo) has Lollipop. Guess what, it LAUNCHED WITH LOLLIPOP BACK LAST YEAR. And it's had 5.1 for how long? :confused:

You haven't been paying attention. ALL other premium devices released in 2014 already have Lollipop -- LG G3, Samsung Galaxy S5, HTC, blah, blah blah. Even on Verizon.

And they all run just fine, or Verizon would not have approved the updates.

There's NO excuse for July wait for Lollipop, even on Verizon.

So, THAT is what Motorola should apologize for, and Moto Mark can start since he's an official Motorola rep.

________

By the way, I own two XT1225 with 5.1.1 -- and they run just fine. I'm just feeling the pain of the Droid Turbo owners for having the same phone I do, but still stuck on KitKat for no reason. And yes, I am flashing to my heart's content. We have two custom 5.1.1 ROMs for the XT1225.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
If you don't even have the Verizon Droid Turbo, then quit arguing - it doesn't even apply to you.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Do they have tails? Really?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] m4rk0358:
Finally went ahead and went through the steps of being soak test eligible. Is it to late to get an invite?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Yes. They already sent out the invites. It's kinda first come first serve. Even all the people the send out invites wont get it if they respond too late.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ganggreen30:
Yes... Like a split tail aka a vulgar word
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] frostysnowman3567:
How do you get invited
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/77d4221775

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
WRONG. it does apply because Verizon won't release 5.1 sources until the Droid Turbo gets it. They won't release stock 5.1 for ANY Quark. Having kernel code for the XT1225 will help us tremendously have even better custom ROMs.

And even though the XT1225 have 5.0.2, it's been clear since then that 5.1 would only come when Motorola/Verizon gave 5.1 to the Droid Turbo.

So, yes it does affect ALL Quark owners.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
Isn't that useless with a locked bootloader?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
Just stop...nobody is getting kicked out of the soak test...and Motorola doesn't care if you tell people its happening...it will be all over the blogs and sites anyway...

Motorola employees themselves used to leak us builds all the time back before they did soak tests like this...

No, the first rule of soak test is you copy that crap off your sd card and send it to a dev so they can get started on a root solution!...

Back in the Droid X days, we used to be flashing pre-rooted OFFICIAL builds days, and weeks before they were pushed to the public...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
You're so cool. Not respecting rules and all. Tell us all about how you run red lights and get away with murder. I can't wait to hear more.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
Nobody is trying to be "cool" its just reality...there are no state secrets here...its a few people being excited about getting a soak test invite...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JTH182:
lol :good:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
That nobody should know about except those that agreed to the terms of the program. It's not that difficult of a rule to follow. They provided no useful information by divulging the fact that there is soak test coming. Nobody is getting an update any faster. It's not their information to give out. They don't own the software.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
Then what exactly are you complaining about?

"THEY LEAKED COMPLETELY UNIMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT THE NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT WAS TRYING TO PROTECT."
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
**yawn** nobody cares how tall your horse is...

I hope you didn't contribute to any bounties looking for root or a bootloader unlock for this phone...

I wouldn't want you to contribute to somebody reverse engineering or exploiting security flaws in that software they don't own...

The people you SHOULD be mad at are Moto and VZW for taking the nice OPEN SOURCE platform that is Android and some sweet hardware and locking it down like a medieval virgin's chastity belt...

But hey, keep fighting the good(wrong) fight
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
Quite a difference in what you're talking about and what people are doing. Exploiting a flaw in software that is out in the open is totally different than breaking an NDA that you agreed to. Nice try though. So please, get off your high horse.

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Precisely. They leaked information that they were not authorized to leak. Thanks!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
You don't really understand the high horse thing do you?

Oh, and yeah...there is a difference in exploiting that flaw, and what's going on here...

One of them exposes all of our phones, and VZW's network to all sorts of security threats...one doesn't...

I'll let you guess which is which...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
I actually do. And for some reason, you believe that it doesn't apply to you, which in fact, would be the exact definition.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
No, see I'm not on even a short horse...I'm crawling in the mud on my hands and knees hoping to take the lowest root (see what I did there?) possible to early access to a pre-rooted build of Lollipop on my Turbo...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
Not authorized, but ultimately completely meaningless to leak.

Let me ask you, do you tell your friend who hosts a Superbowl party that they have to get permission before they have people over? Do you ever drive over the speed limit, even by 1 mph?

It would be one thing if people who signed the NDA were leaking some *actual information.* But as of now the only thing that's been leaked is that there's a soaktest. Not even the version of software has been leaked. So you're complaining ABOUT NOTHING.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
See, not complaining. Just pointing out that people aren't abiding by an agreement that they AGREED to. Simple as that.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] thecaptain0220:
Wow, it is funny how you didn't see any Moto presence since the phone was released. Then someone shows up to add a trivial bit of information within no time of discussion about a pointless NDA. Shows you their priorities. It should have never taken as long as it did to release this. With a decent size team of people this should have been ready in a few weeks. Google does most of the work anyway. Personally I would rather have a couple of bugs that get patched as they are found than wait months for a 100% bug free build, which by the way, doesn't exist. I switched back to Moto thinking I would be OK without an unlockable phone. I think this would be true if updates were released in a reasonable time period. At this rate though, I think I'm switching next phone. I would have got a Nexus 6, but its just too big. Hopefully they release the next Nexus 5, and I'm gone. Such a beautifully crafted piece of hardware. The lack of support is a shame. Shame Shame Shame.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] m4rk0358:
why do you care so much? how does this affect you in any way?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
The possibility that they discontinue them entirely in the future due to this exact issue. Then we get builds with more bugs. And then, in turn, more complaints.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Yeah until Moto says screw it due to idiots not keeping their trap shut.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] thecaptain0220:
I'm not arguing whether you should or shouldn't follow the NDA here. But soak tests are for them, not us. It just covers their ass so the don't accidentally brick a bunch of devices. I doubt they usually go back and fix things after the soak unless it's a major show stopping bug. If it benefits them they will do it, if not they won't. It's clear how they feel about their users, they're not doing us any favors.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeodudeFFP:
I wonder if this "discussion" will go on as long as the "Moto droid gets Android 5.1 on June 10th" thread...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
No, just every time there's a soak on any device ever.

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pandimus:
*sniff sniff*
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeodudeFFP:
Agreed...but they often devolve into silly arguments. Let's just be happy it has (likely) finally arrived (we'll know soon enough).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maflin18:
Anyone else checking their inbox way too frequently for an MFN follow up email?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] CrazyRussianXDA:
You literally made me pee my paints. Are you comedian?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
People better shut up after the soak is released to devices, so I hope as soon as follow ups emails are received as people are stating they are going to be, then this thread should be closed imo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brennam7:
Oh, you've never heard of companies testing builds as internal only? Nice....