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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ExploreMN:
Couple of things. First, MFrazz, your Crossbow Reloaded ROM is fricken awesome. What was the reason to change from Faria to Pandora? I'm not asking sarcastically...since I am new to all this I am really curious and I'm wondering if I should drop your previously made Crossbow to go with XM6 (or XM6-Reloaded or whatever you plan to call your next version).

Also, where can I get Mattk_r's "complete" solution with the base ROM and all the OEM packages? I would love to see what I'm capable of doing if I had all the right tools and packages available. I have a little bit of creative talent inside me. Yeah, I guess I could just ask Matt...or he could respond...so whoever knows the answer, that would be cool. Matt posts too much (and is a huge help!) to just do a search on his name.

Thanks!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] papamopps:
I once tried every new rom. But then i stopped flashing - because every rom only have minor changes and some have programs instlled i never use.

I think it was hard work for the first released WM6 ported by faria and mun - which were made very clean by e.g. anichillus (and many more....)

But now - afetr this great kitchens were released - cooking is very simple. So it is not really nessecary to release every new liitle step of a rom.

I stop for it - and started USING my device.

BTW - i have a herald now. But still read some of the wizard forum stuff - but it is getting more and more a "fight" - who got the NEWEST files and the BEST looking - it´s more a pimp contest then a developers forum.

Like other say: Just my 2 cent

lol
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
Interesting views and opinions. A while back when I first joined the forum, I tested a few roms (Xplore 1.0/1.1, MBE and Love) and quickly jumped onto Faria's/Scooters/Doubleofours kitchens to figure out how to build my own. It became apparent that it needed some "simplicity" and consolidation.

I still like the idea of roms being build and developed by cooks. This way the non-technical users can try them out and give honest feedback, without having to go through the kitchen learning curve. It's hard enough just to keep from bricking your hardware for the newbie.

User feedback can help drive improvements to the base packages and ultamately back to the kitchen - and other builders will benefit as well.

The kitchen I post is a collection of everyone elses work. I simply try to keep it updated with the great improvements that collect amongst all the different threads. I don't take / want credit for what's there - I didn't make it - I just try to make it easier :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ClassicalDonkey:
Ya i would say that there is way to many rom going around that just as too much the same!! I have my own base and i just run off that!!! No need to chnage and chnage from one to another!! I was going to release mine but then i thought that i would not be able to put up with poeple moaning so i have not! It is built how i likw it and that is that!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ExploreMN:
So Matt, I was looking at the thread in your signature link listed as "kitchen thread" and it looks like it doesn't work for T-mobile, is that correct? (T-mobile is always listed as "coming soon")

So for a guy like me...T-mobile user...heavy interest in business use and e-mail use (so Office and messenging are required...other toys are just fun fluff) what is the best kitchen to use for making my own ROM?

Or do you think of novice newbie like me should just stick with other people's ROMs? (Be honest...if its too hard to do...I'll screw up my phone in a heartbeat)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] thomassster:
This is a simple question to answer.

Some people don't have the time to learn to cook a rom, such as me. I just like flashing couple times here and there specific roms that match my preference. Rom cookers are nice to share their stuff with the community and this helps fix current bugs and everyone learns something new with the bugs. I don't mind the experimenting.

You got all the random people complaining about how this rom needs this app or this rom should remove this. With different roms shared, one of the roms should be close to what they need.

Right now, the pandora 3.2 VC version is fitting my needs and experimenting with the different roms, this is the one I like the most.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ClassicalDonkey:
I would say to you, ya go for it make your own rom how you like it!!! There is so much help on here that you will always be able to do it!!!

Try faria's kitchen

Packages

8 Button Commanger

I have different packages aswell that i have not shared on here so if you need something let me know!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
the tmobile reference is only for the extended rom. you would have the same result if you cooked your rom and ran the cabs afterwards. I'm adding the tmo ext roms just for those cookers that would like to "automate" the installation of said cabs, but aren't ready to make their own - it's easy but one more learning curve to hurtle.

For example, I cook my combo, click the "enable extended rom" box, and build the rom. Since my extended rom has already been flashed, I don't have to add it every time to the nb2nbf_wizard. When the phone flashes, it goes to the extended rom and runs my WAP cabs. Saves me a couple extra steps, since I flash so damn much.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nottoosmart:
scotch, Ive been saying the same thing since The kitchens appeared. The real releases should be only Build number changes. Unless the builds change, why cant people just use the kitchen, put in what they want and call it a day
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mfrazzz:
Yes, Crossbow Reloaded was based off of the Faria "the real thing" ROM kitchen. I only moved away from that base for XM6 because the Ingenetics rom came out which is a newer base (but didn't have some of the newest updates since it was built when that rom first was released). Personally, the Ingenetics rom seems more stable, quicker, and easier on battery, so I felt it was the next best direction to go (but since the base was different, I renamed it so it wouldn't confuse people as it is different than the Crossbow Reloaded series). If I get time, I may go back and revisit Crossbow Reloaded again (as I liked those roms too). Maybe look at melding the two back together (but they are pretty close already other than the base, and I see the Pandora / Ingenetics rom kitchen helping me do that, thus the direction the next release of XM6.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ANTC:
theres so many new roms because cooking is popular now...People never like the roms that are out so they think they could make a better one they way they like it..so they do..I've done the same thing not to many roms fit my needs..i need something clean but with everything still so i created my own rom and I'm Very happy with it right now so I released I must of made atleast 100 different roms before the release..so if someone sees your rom and it meets there needs thats good for having so many roms..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] scotch whisky:
I think this says it all. With the Pandora kitchen you don't edit files or edit/delete hex strings.

You just select what you need and press the button. It takes no more than 10 minutes to cook a ROM including flashing.

You need close to zero knowledge of computing to do it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] abasu2003:
I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?

I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] scotch whisky:
I think what is needed here is for someone (Matt!) to write a simple user guide to using the Pandora kitchen. It is obvious from this thread that many people believe that using the kitchen is far more complicated than it actually is.

Matt and others are the experts here. They have made the kitchen incredibly easy to use but do not appear to have got this fact over to a minority (or is that majority) of users.

A simple user guide avoiding all technical terms is required. Anyone who can flash one of the pre-prepared ROMs has more than enough knowledge to use the kitchen.

Matt- It I didn't say before -Great Kitchen
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Jacquestrapp:
Truer words were never spoken. I decided today to take the plunge and move to WM6. I'd like to play around with the Pandora kitchen but frankly, the technical jargon used on these threads makes it seem (to a novice like me) like an impossible task. The overabundance of ROMs makes it even harder to figure out where to begin.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] dcdivenut:
I would have to say that a manual would be a great idea, but to be honest, I have mixed feelings about matt or any of the other really knowledgeable guys taking time away from developing new things (like the touch cube) and writing a manual so that people who can't be bothered to figure out one or two things for themselves can build ROMS the way they like them.

I guess you could make the argument that it might be a more efficient use of matt and the guy's time to write a manual instead of answering the same question over and over again, but given what I know of people, and what I see on this board over and over, I can bet that there will still be reams of useless questions.

here's what I did...

I was running Core 2.0n when anchillus posted his kitchen I first learned how to dump a ROM. I never flashed it, but I dumped a bunch of ROMs I had collected over the last few months. Once I got comfortable with that process, I started playing around with the idea of creating packages for programs and reg settings for everything I had added to Core2.0n.

Then the Pandora kitchen came out. Then mfrazzz released XDA Mobile and then things started changing every 5 seconds. I started creating ROMs using the Pandora kitchen but I always had the XDA mobile so that when I bunged up the custom I could go back to that.

I kept playing (and reading a lot, and googling a lot, and asking a lot of questions) until I got something I like. I am now running my own blend based on matt's kitchen and am going to hold off changing until it stabilizes and some of the MMS issues etc are laid to rest (bring on 3.5!!!)

Basically creating a custom ROM is a trial and error process. You shouldn't begin unless you have the time, patience and knowledge and time and patience to acquire more knowledge. You should be able to handle having an unreliable phone while you perfect it. Heck, I almost bricked my phone using matt's kitchen and that has to be pretty hard to do!!!

So does this mean I support all the new ROMs that are coming out? I guess it does, since I don't think that everyone should be cooking their own. That being said, I think that making the process even more idiot-proof is difficult if not impossible (I mean... build OS, check boxes, createROM, create nbf and flash is pretty simple!!!) so yes, people should release ROMs if they want and if there is demand.

However, it would be nice if these ROMs are actually new, not just variations on a theme, and if you are a noob (or moderately experienced) and you want a ROM with just this and not that, then learn to cook yourself and stop asking for it!!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] abasu2003:
ok, I appreciate the analysis and not to hijack the thread or anything, but can I get answers to my questions?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] dcdivenut:
nothing personal but read my post above... either load a pre-cooked ROM, or take the plunge and learn to do your own, but stop asking to get it spoon fed.

I am not in the least bit a techie. I am in the hotel business. I like technology but the only class I ever failed or got below a C in was a C++ programming class in high school a few eons ago. I am simply not good at it. Looking at too many registry entries makes my head hurt.

BUT.... I REALLY want a ROM just the way I like it, so I have worked quite heard to understand everythinf and guys like Matt, mfrazzz, nottosmart, Funman and Dr. P have been very generous with answering direct questions.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] dcdivenut:
If you read a few threads you would find them all but since it is slow at work

"""""""""I actually want to cook my own rom but maybe I made it harder than it needs to be. For one thing, are all of the packages available in a thread or do the cookers go hunting for packages? As an example, all the programs I want are included in Crossbow Reloaded, but I don't want all of them (and maybe I want to add a couple more but that's not as important). Now, are all of these packages readily available to add to the ROM?"""""""""""

If you download matt's kitchen and his OEM package almost everythign you could want is available. If not you might have to search and read (GOD FORBID!!!) or ask someone to help you make a package (I am sure that will not be a problem)

"""""I was also unclear on why sometimes ROM cookers talked about compressing some components. Like, I remember mfrazz would say that he was removing compression on a couple of htings when the dialpad started disappearing on ROMS."""

Think about what compressing does to a sound or picture file. there is quality degradation. Well when you compress a file in a ROM is has to be uncompressed which can lead to errors, kind of like some programs should be installed to main memory, not a storage card. The benefit of compression is obviously that you can cram more into the ROM!!! This is non-technical and probably semi-faulty analogy
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
wow, I keep peeking in as I'm working on the OEM pack for TouchFlo...

I'd love it if we had an RnD and documentation departments, along with document control and a couple admin assistants... but (speaking for myself) things are changing soo much that I could never keep up - not to mention most of us have a life outside the forum.

Outta control? If I were trying to run a profitable company, heck yes it is. But then reflecting on the forum's purpose - development - it shouldn't be a priority. Technological development is #1. If someone has time to document, more power to them

Heck, just in the OS I'm working with I'm integrating nearly 1000 files throughout the 318 OS.

Don't get me wrong - I believe getting a good user's guide out there would be great. If things would stop changing so damn fast, I'd be all over it!

Faria and doubleofour has a good primer in their threads - what I cut my teeth on. Core Kitchen has a good guilde on extraction (never read the rest - sorry!). The stuff is out there, just gotta look.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Jacquestrapp:
I've been reading this forum for several months now and one reason I've never asked a question (or posted at all, till just now) is that I'd rather not bother the guys who are doing the heavy lifting on the ROM scene with my amateur questions. I am in fact running XDA Mobile 6 right now thanks to the well-written guides detailing how to unlock a Wizard and flash it to the 2.26 ROM first, and the generous information given in each ROM thread. But as far as I can tell, there isn't a guide like that for the process of cooking up your own ROM. All I'm saying is that I would find it very helpful.

Mainly I just hate duplication of effort and it seems like a lot of the questions people ask have already been asked and answered elsewhere on the forum. The guides cut down on that a bit.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] dcdivenut:
HEY I agree with you on that, but as I said, I think that asking for a manual is a little much to ask these guys, especially considering how much they get paid for this ;) and that it is not like they have anything else to do :)

I wish that I had the time to write a manual based on what I have learned but

a. things change so quickly

b. I would **** it up but good

c. I also have one or two commitments outside the forum!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] :
I think part of the issue that puts off would-be cookers is the g-d complex some existing cookers seem to exhibit. I understand that a ROM is like a child and that it is easy to become defensive and tempermental about it, but have you guys seen the condescension in some of the threads. Take a look at some of the intros to new ROMs if you don't believe me. If cooking is so easy, why act like if noobs or anyone with honest questions or criticisms are brain-dead morons?

One of the reasons why I favor this forum over many of the others is its educational value. We nust fight to maintain an atmosphere that is collegial and conducive to inquiry. But I think we too often forget that we were all noobs once. The truth is, the noob we "dis" today might be the Faria or Dr. P. of tomorrow.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] scotch whisky:
Hi,

I didn't want to start a war by starting this thread.

I was only trying to point out that ROM cooking is pretty simple using the Pandora kitchen.

A user manual just might stop a lot of the reoccuring posts that clog up these forums but then I am not sure how you would get people to read it!

Calm down everybody.

Regards

Scotch Whisky

p.s. I'm a silver surfer who didn't even know how to switch a computer on until I retired a couple of years ago. If I can cook my own believe me almost anyone can.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] scotch whisky:
I see I have just become a "Member" rather than a "Junior Member". Does this mean than I am no longer a "noob"?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] SilverSurfR:
I'm THE Silver Surfer. :)

Not sure if that was a serious question, but those titles just change according to your post count.

Now to get back on topic (a little long)...

If you can read, comprehend, and then apply the knowledge you've learned; you can cook a rom. I registered what seemed like ages ago when I first got my Wizard(MDA) can't remember why specifically. Recently I stumbled back in the door looking for Slide2Unlock and saw that WM6 was being run on Wizards. I got in on the action with XM6. I quickly figured out that it wasn't exactly what I wanted/needed but boy was it cool. So I started to try and do some research and find out what this cooking business was all about. At first it was a bit overwhelming, so many kitchens, and what seemed like so many different tutorials. I turned to mattk_r, sent him a PM apologizing for contacting him directly for help, but kindly ask if he could point me in a direction. Matt sent me to Faria's kitchen thread/tutorial and doubleofour's, the same ones he used to start out with, as for kitchens he replied "I'd suggest picking one until you're comfortable with how each OS component fits together". This was 5 days ago (research and reading tutorials included), I knew absolutely zilch about cooking roms. Now I have my own personal rom, based off matt's kitchen, that includes my own ext_rom, as well as customized HTC Logo, and splash screens. I am modestly tech savvy, but anyone willing to put in the time to do research should be able to accomplish the same.

That was a bit long winded and apologize if you actually read it.

Furthermore, I agree with the fact that cooking just isn't for everyone. I don't know if this would be an accurate analogy, but alot of people drive customized cars, but they can't all do the work themselves. Hence the reason for so many roms. One size does not fit all. If the amount of roms available continues to grow, I would suggest there be another sub-forum under WM6 just for roms, to relieve some of the clutter (my opinion), so we can just have development topics here and cooked roms somewhere else.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
You and allot of the guys here have this wrong idea that checking some empty boxes is same as cooking a ROM.

Guys ...that's not it. And it would never be it.

It's something more, mabe much more for some here. Of course you'll judge my post, but think about it for a minute.

Why are you guys always asking for fool-proof guides ? Do you really think a guide will make you a cook ? No, it won't. Reading books doesn't make me a writer and it will never do that.

Some things you have to feel, think and act as your mind tells you. Some things cannot be found on books, guides or even forums. And those things are the real difference between a real and a fake.

Of course that guides can be made. But those guys that don't bother reading the forum won't have the patience of reading guides either. I can bet on that.

Plus, as i said before, some things just can't be learned and only practice, trial ,error and an innovative mind will be the only way.

Honestly...i am pretty pissed on this whole thing. I don't want to insult guys here, like mattik_r and others...but

Those are not kitchen guys. I know that everybody else feels good and proud of them that they can build a ROM from those packages, but those are really not kitchens. They are more like ... complex ROMs with option to choose what to insert in it...nothing more.

Of course that one that knows his job can do miracles with them, but it's a wrong idea in general.

Besides...it's simply Bepe's HERMES kitchen....renamed and different ROM's and extra's....just check THIS

Last month i had only disappointments here and ...home...with my freaking PC...not to mention exams ... since it's exams session here and that's I was away. But i see things are going worse.

I mean no disrespect to the guys that know their job, and they know who they are.

This "ooo, look at me, i made my own rom" thing is rather frustrating and for those guys i want to say this :

NO ! You only customised a cook's work !
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] badbert:
And when you make a hundred "Useless" posts you will be a Senior member!!

LOL You knew I was just kiddin' Right... Don't need no geriatic ass-whooping here....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] badbert:
Just like I use "The_Equinoxe's" splash program's to make boot screens...

I think CorePro is awesome, and I have cooked an awesome rom or two using it... And to be completely honest... I use Pandora's kitchen, then dump and reheat in CorePro to make them even smaller... But I have never released one of them, because I am not a "CHEF".
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
lol... *sigh*

back to touchflo...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] :
Anichillus, my conclusion is simple.

Time for Cor3.

Not touch, not heaviness, just like old times...just xplore 3.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
thx badbert...but i did not wrote that because i am frustrated that people don't use my kitchen. I would like to say that i don't give a rat ass but i would be lying since i put allot of hard work on that. But that was not the point. I was commenting on the question in this thread's title.