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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
All of this is true but it's not always an option for everyone. For example, I have to stay with Verizon since my company uses verizon. When I got my Turbo, there was no official word that VZW was going to carry the N6 and there was some confusion regarding whether they activate N6 devices not purchased from them. In addition, buying a Nexus device was going to set me back $600-700 while the Turbo I got sponsored at $200.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
I would have, but I'm under the edge program (which looked like a better deal than it was, since I'm not moving from Verizon) and bought it when it was more expensive. Ugh, if only I'd waited for a G4. The nexus 6 is too big for my hands.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
No, I get that, I was in the same boat... And as a result I got the Note 4 at the time. Then months later VZW offers the Nexus and I was kicking myself. My fiance's daughter happened to need a new phone so I gave her the Note 4 and was trying to decide what phone to get. I got the Turbo for the battery life, and while awesome, not getting updates was just something I didn't want to deal with any more, so I returned it and got the Nexus.

You could probably sell a nice Turbo for what, $300-$400 to someone, unlocked, who doesn't want to get a contract or pay full price for a phone?

A 32GB Nexus is now what, $499?

The difference in cost might not be that much.

If nothing else, take all of this into consideration the next time you are up for an upgrade... Maybe not you, but anyone else reading this. There are so many threads all over the web of people pissed off about bloat, locked bootloaders, lack of root, slow or nonexistent updates, etc...

And there is a solution to those problems... Nexus. Fast, high end specs, great screen, good battery, and no bloat, almost instant updates plus developer previews and you can do whatever you want with it.

Yeah, the battery is sealed in and no SD, but same deal with the Turbo, and the iPhone, and the new S6 and S6 edge... Most people don't really swap batteries any more, especially when you can charge up almost anywhere, and with rapid charge, it's that much better...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
That last point is my issue.

Ignoring the whole Verizon thing, although my last two phones (and my wife's) were Nexus (we both had gen3 Galaxy Nexus and gen5 Nexus 5), and we own two Nexus tablets, I HATE the Moto Nexus 6.

It's too big.

So, I basically got the 5.2" version -- the Moto Maxx. (Google was testing a 5.2" version as late as mid-August 2014, but dropped in favor of the whale.)

It's not about price, it's about size. I paid the same amount (average of $700 each) for two XT1225 ($650 for one, $750 for the other) which I would have paid for two 64GB Nexus 6. But on my UNLOCKED XT1225 I have 5.1.1 Lollipop, basically same hardware specs as the Nexus 6 (bigger battery, but no rear OIS) -- and screw you Google.

Google should have pulled an Apple and released BOTH sizes for the Nexus 6. And I bet the 5.2" version would have vastly outsold the 5.95" version. I know people also complain about the price, but for me it's the size.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
All they need to do is release something smaller. I don't care about pricing. I'll buy it regardless
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
I dunno... I have had a ton of phones, and it is really refreshing to have the Nexus 6 which isn't any bigger than a Note 4 or Iphone 6 plus... In the hand they all feel the same.

But to be able to just do whatever you want without jumping through hoops and bricking it, is awesome...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Well, I have a feeling that a minority of nexus buyers bought the 6 because the people whose hands that fits in comfortably is also a minority. Marques Brownlee on YouTube, who has very big hands, is an example.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
Well, I am a big guy(giggity), but to be honest, the smaller phones are a little more pocket friendly. I liked the size of the Turbo better, but I simply got fed up with bloat and crappy support, so I made the move and am glad that I did.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
I would, but I don't have the money to get out of the edge program AND get a new phone :D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
No, I get it, you are stuck for now. My comments were less directed at you or anyone in particular, and more in general, that these update issues, and that this one in particular with the Turbo, were the final straw for me, and that going to a Nexus device solved all the issues, that's all.

There are some people reading this who can get a new phone, or who might be soon up for an upgrade, etc... My advice, having been in the same trench for 4 years or so, is to simply jump ship and never look back. I won't be sitting almost a year behind, waiting for some manufacturer or carrier to throw me some table scraps, if they feel like it, ever again...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
If only. My family has an upgrade. I wonder if I can talk them out of it :p :rolleyes: and also, has anyone here used AT&T or t mobile and could recommend it? I'm tired of CDMA
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
With all the talks about the next Nexus, I'm thinking about keeping my Turbo until it comes out and then dumping it on eBay in favor of the next Nexus phone, which hopefully will be a bit smaller than 6" and work on VZW.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Since you asked, I'll answer. I don't want to start an argument about carriers.

If you live or travel in rural area, AT&T is better than T-mobile. I've been on AT&T prepaid GoPhone (sold, serviced in AT&T stores) since last November. It's uncapped speeds for your data amount, straight off the postpaid AT&T servers.

These are typical speeds and pings (lower ping = less lag) on AT&T in my area:

If you want postpaid AT&T you can do that too, but the only difference is GoPhone (the official AT&T prepaid brand) is less expensive and no roaming. However, "native" AT&T coverage is good enough for me. GoPhone uses the same AT&T SIM card, same APN as pospaid.

You can always go to AT&T postpaid, and then switch to GoPhone if you want to cut costs. It's just since I pay for my phones upfront, I ONLY want to pay for monthly service. I don't want to pay for hidden costs of repaying a phone I've already paid for. :rolleyes: Also with GoPhone, you don't have to pay taxes and fees if you pay through 3rd party discounter, like CallingMart. A GoPhone "$60" 4GB plan with unlimited calling/messaging would only be $54 with no taxes and fees. "$45" 1.5GB plan, with unlimited calling/messaging would be $40.50. If you need family plan, shared data then go with postpaid AT&T.

The XT1225 works just fine on AT&T (any AT&T affiliated provider). AT&T's LTE bands are 2, 4, 5, 17.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ozo1ozo:
Hi guys i have something strange here i got my moto turbo as a gift from friend and when i start searching about the device i found all moto turbo is Verizon.

But my phone isn't this is my phone information

http://www.up-00.com/

http://www.up-00.com/

There is more thing the device model show me xt1225 but in phone back is xt1254

http://www.up-00.com/

Anyone explain me what is this please?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Only reason is that GSM is used in most parts of the world. Thanks. Sadly I don't know if the required GSM bands are the same everywhere. I don't think they are. In my area verizon is kind of slow. Best I've gotten is 25 down 17 up
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeodudeFFP:
Just saw this...assuming it's correct, now I finally know why my XT1225 is still running KK (fine by me)!

---------- Post added at 03:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:03 PM ----------

I'm using a XT1225 on T-Mobile and love it...no problems, but note that I'm usually in a metro area. Only issue is non-specific to the phone, and that's T-Mobile's relative lack of low frequencies (resulting in reception being not as good in some buildings as Verizon).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Looks like a 1225 that was just printed incorrectly, or had it's back plate changed, that would explain the XXXXXs as it's a 1254 replacement backplate.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ozo1ozo:
So how do you explain my android version is 5.02?

And my phone not Verizon version?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
He just explained it...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
The Moto Turbo came with 5.0.2(or got an OTA I forget). What you have is the XT1225, not the XT1254, the Moto Turbo not Droid Turbo. Good news for you is you can unlock the bootloader and install CM12.1.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ozo1ozo:
Thanks for reply

I received it with 5.02 but as i notice before i got it as a gift i don't know if my friend update it or it's come with 5.02
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
most of the XT1225 do have Lollipop 5.0.2. They just don't have 5.1 stock.

If you don't have 5.0.2 update yet, then you can flash it from the factory images in the Development forum.

Brazil, Mexico were updated. India launched with 5.0.2. Only Chile and Puerto Rico didn't get an OTA update. But you can flash one from another country. I flashed my Puerto Rico XT 1225 to India XT1225.

---------- Post added at 09:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:42 PM ----------

India Moto Turbo launched with 5.0.2.

You have a replacement back plate for Droid Turbo. Easy to get off the internet. Whoever gave it to you replaced the back plate. Maybe the original was damaged.

All the Quark back plates fit each other. It's the same hardware. Some with Droid got the XT1225 back plate as they didn't want the Verizon tramp stamp on the back. :)

I flashed both my XT1225 to India Moto Turbo. One was Mexico, the other Puerto Rico, as India 5.0.2 came out first.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ozo1ozo:
Thanks a lot

Any idea how i unlock bootloader and flash cm12.1 please because i didn't find any thread for moto turbo XT1225
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Just follow the quark instructions. That's for all moto maxxes if I'm correct
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] raze5115:
So when r we getting 5.0 lollipop cause it's now way past the 10th of June
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
That's the million dollar question. 10th of June was speculation. While verizon's simulator was updated to 5.1 around then, the have since downgraded it for no particular reason.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
I leave my calendar on 10 June to make it feel like we're not that far behind.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] El Perfecto:
For what it's worth, http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/09/ol...eceiving-updates-as-long-as-hardware-permits/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Yeah but they just canceled an update for one of them, from jellybean to kit Kat. So who knows.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
Yeah... I'm not sure how trustworthy the new Lenovo Motorola is...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Martingitdave:
I don't think there is anything nefarious going on. They're just short handed with lots of work to do. Same as any other company in the world today. Lack of resources. Lenovo, if anything, should infuse some needed cash into Motorola. I wouldn't see it as a detriment. But, time will tell.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
As mentioned above, they have already backed out of one commitment... That isn't trustworthy in my book.

At least they did apologize for that one and offer a rebate though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
I'll believe it when I see it smh #someone_dropped_d_ball
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrialk:
That is from last year when Punit Soni was still there.

Sent from my XT1080M
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] El Perfecto:
That was the last time I remember seeing Motorola announce anything about their intentions to bring future android updates to future phones. With so little actual news being cited I thought it was with a mention. Have you read something more recent? I'd love to get an update on this.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] m4rk0358:
What are the odds of this June 10th deadline being the actual date? Less than 1%?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
I call shenanigans
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
It's not a deadline really, just the latest news on when a rollout may begin. We just wait, go on with the other distractions that life has to offer and act surprised when an update notification appears, we hope. ?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
More like July 10, not June 10? ;)

And the leak back in March did say July...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wifnhzivxllo:
I just feel like there is no way there were absolutely zero rumors of a soak 2 days before a release.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Martingitdave:
I think it is highly unlikely that this software will be released in two days. In fact, I would go as far as to say, this software won't be released in two days. If my proclamation is incorrect, I will admonish myself by posting a humiliating picture of my likeness. Note: all pictures of me are humiliating, so don't get your hopes up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pmekdahl01:
I have high hopes that it will be released in two days. So much so that I'm going to start holding my breath for it right now!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maxmousee:
X, E and G getting 5.1.1

Meanwhile, Maxx (flagship) users wait... :(
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
So it appears that we will literally be the last flagship device to receive Lollipop? Figures...

I mean, M is already out in the community being tested, and we are not even on the version of Android that is about to be replaced... we are two versions behind now... Lame.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Remember when the excuse was, but the Turbo will go straight to 5.1.1?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

Im waiting for the tweet that is an apology and instead they will be going directly to Android M this fall.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
Lol! Never a bad time for a Family Guy reference... haha
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maxpower7:
Has "deadline" been redefined to mean "unsubstantiated rumor?"
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
You know - the delay wouldn't be so bad if we just had some more official info. This closed mouth policy is plain stupid. I mean if they were planning on releasing June 10 but ran into a critical bug then just let us know.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] raze5115:
Lol that's a good idea
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] m4rk0358:
Curious if any carrier has ever provided that level of detail during testing to their customers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Thats not really any level of detail, just a courtesy.

Current level of detail: silence.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
They won't, because when they throw out a date and they miss it again, it will start another S**t storm
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
That was Verizon trolling us - rubbing salt in the wound because they can.

See how nice this looks? Do you want this? Too bad suckers! *Lol to the bank collecting your phone bill.*
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
This is kind of why I wish I was a high level executive at every technology company I care about, so I could manipulate them better than the random guy who complains too much
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
They don't have to give dates - just say "we are actively working on getting the update out but we ran into a bug with "xyz" and need to fix that and test for any bugs the fix may have introduced before releasing. Thanks for your patience. " and most of us would be happy.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 7eregrine:
Agree. That's what annoying about it: dead silence.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
i got off phone after complaining to verizon rep for fun. and i go tot thinking. only 3 things can hold up the push. hardware incompatibility, software compatibility or no desire to do it.

for instance, lollipop cannot go on motorola Cliq, we have a hardware issue. the other is software issue. motorola droid razr XT912, ole reliable and still standing strong. Hardware it can handle. a little dated but the right software guys have made it work. however there are little things they are not working on it. hardware is there but software is lacking. overall though some guy in a basement working with an OMAP4 processor has churned out a version of %5.1 ahead of motorola, enough about that.

Here we are talking about a droid turbo. a top of the line modern day flagship of a phone. if we have hardware problem i do not know what to say. so we move to software. clearly, no matter what anyone says, fact is, XT1250 and MAXX have 5.1 i believe. same phone. for the most part N6 is same phone and ships with lollipop. many other phones on the verizon network have lollipop so software compatibility with verizon and software compatibility with hardware seems out of place.\

so what we have here is option 3. verizon and motorola are horrible lazy people.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
This is necessarily why I switched and left Verizon after more than a decade with them. Got the g4 and way more happy now with 5.1.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
What carrier? I'm considering the same thing and heard good things about at&t
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BigCTM:
Funny how people are different with phones...I went from KK to Lollipop on a HTC M8 and I was totally underwhelmed with Lollipop. There was absolutely nothing about it I liked better than KK. Not saying it was worse but I did not notice any improvement. I honestly could care less about Lollipop as long as my main apps keep receiving updates.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
i dont think it is so much lollipop in itself but that lack of being up to date. there was nothing wrong with windows xp but people wanted 7. there wasnothing wrong wiht iOS7 but yet people wanted iOS8. it is not a matter of it being good enough, but rather just to be up to date. and actually i have seen benchmarks moto maxx was about 49k on kit kat. upgraded ot LP and scored a 58k. so there are improvements. you may not be able ot see but the software can
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
I finally bit the bullet and jumped ship to a Nexus 6 and I actually really like lollipop. It feels even faster than my turbo. Ambient display is close to Moto dislpay and using a stock based rom is very stable. Xposed, root, and unlocked bootloader guaranteed also help. Its a lot bigger so it isn't for everyone but I actually really prefer it. Picked it up on Craigslist for cheap and it came with two cases, if you throw in the value of those I came out way ahead oer the amount I'll get when I sell my turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BigCTM:
I had a Nexus 6 for about 3 weeks and sold it. It was not so much the size but nothing about it really stood out to me. The screen was ok. The speakers were ok. The camera was ok. Stock android is ok. The battery life is ok. I like the Turbo better but that's why they make different phones.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
That's my feelings about the turbo other than the battery life. The camera is also decent but the front facing camera is just garbage in anything approaching low light. And the speakers in the Nexus are much louder. But mostly for me its the extra screen size and the stock Android plus custom roms that really make the Nexus over the turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BigCTM:
The speakers in both suck compared to the M8 I had. I never root or play around with roms so that's never a concern with me. I used to root and play around with custom roms but more app focused these days. Scary - I am starting to sound like an Apple user. LOL...Will be interesting to see if Verizon gets the next Nexus...Hopefully in a more timely manner this time...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
Phones are getting better and better and root is becoming less and less necessary as Android adds more features, many of which are taken from custom ROMs. But I will always love root for the tweaking and theming aspect, I love changing up the look of my phone every so often. But above all I use/need root for things like adaway, YouTube background playing, and amplify, which are all things Google is not going to add to Android.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
I ended up switching to tmobile since i heard and saw last week that there was going to be many improvements to their uncarrier and jump features. Reason why is because i used up too much data in the shared family plan i am in plus I didnt have much money to pay for early termination fee and the rest. Since tmobile pays for one to leave and go with them i went with them, yes i know sprint does the same but I hate their customer service and hidden fees there always is. My whole family of both sides of my parents have had sprint and all experienced horrible customer service and hidden fees all the time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
This statement is exactly why all phones should have the option to Unlock the Bootloader. Many of these features *have* come from custom roms, and without more bootloaders unlocked, there will be less and less new developments or additions that are not an OEM's brainchild. Not disagreeing with you in any way, it just really was a poignant statement. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeodudeFFP:
But you're comparing L on a N6 with KK on a Turbo...different hardware COULD account for observed differences. You need to keep it on same hardware to have a valid software comparison. (But you may still be correct...we just can't say based on your own testing).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
I'm not really comparing lollipop to KitKat here, I'm more saying that I prefer the N6 to the turbo based on their current states. However the hardware is similar, same SOC, same screen resolution, same amount of RAM.

Either way, I just like the Nexus more as a phone regardless of the software, although I also like LP more too.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Since I don't have the turbo no more look!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeodudeFFP:
Yep...soak invites apparently going out (if others are to be believed)...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maxpower7:
I'm upgrading to Lollipop tomorrow...by switching to a GS6.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
I upgraded to lollipop last week

On my g4 lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 6Binford:
My galaxy S2 had Lollipop back in January, right after I got my $1 Droid Turbo at Best Buy.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
Not surprised. [emoji111]

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Lollipop from Samsung, right?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 6Binford:
Samsung phone, but rooted and running Lollipop thanks to XDA developers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
So...not relevant then.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
Enjoy your 3 hours of battery... That's what I get in my GS6... Which is why I'm typing this from my turbo...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maxpower7:
I work at home and I'm next to a charger all day long. I'll be fine.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
Whatever works for you. No need to keep posting here then. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
Pretty much. We won't be seeing it this month. Which sucks, because I just gave up my Note 4 last week that had Lollipop, for the Droid Turbo...