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[One (M9) General] K00li79:
Well, Don't get me wrong... I love this device and I think it is way better then the s 6 or the g4!

However HTC is really shooting itself in the the foot...time and time again. They produce the negative publicity them self.

If you gonna improve instead of innovate you better make sure that the features you do put in work like you intended 100%

Why fix the camera after a couple of updates when you know you the focus of all the critics will be on the camera????

Why fix the heating problems after an update when you know Samsung and all the sammylovers will watch you like a hawk?

Why leave a finger print scanner out on your flagship when the competition puts one on there's and then build a nother flagship with a fingerprint scanner??????

Once the negative reviews are all over the place there is no turning that back around... :(

It really looks like they brought out the m9 in a rush... If they first brought it to the public with all the updates including the 1.40 update I bet the negative reviews would be minimum and the only things to ***** about by the critics would be lack of qhd( witch I really don't miss!) And the fingerprint scanner. ( witch I would have liked)

Im a proud owner and it is sad to see that this great device is missing its glory by the negative publicity.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
no one crossed into 1.40 except Taiwan, the rest of us are using it from the leak here on XDA

this is gold :)
[One (M9) General] abelkov:
Generally, I am agree with you, but build quality is not so good. As you know, i am experiencing some build quality issues, which should not appear in such an expensive phone. Besides those problems, the phone is as good as i expected - very good performance(the only lag i see is when i am waking it, but not always), nice battery life, awesome look and sound. Camera is not important for me, so this device is almost all i need. But this build defects frustrate me at some level and may be i will definitely go for replacement. htc can't afford to have build quality problems, cause this is one of the most important selling features of this phone.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
dont confuse QC with build quality, my unit is flawless
[One (M9) General] abelkov:
Sorry, QC?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Quality control and besides the QC issues are really minor, we dont have a big issue like the S6 pink screen dilemma or the One X / M7 dreadful QC
[One (M9) General] exocetdj:
Quality control

I too have a perfect device
[One (M9) General] abelkov:
Well, yes, the M7 had a lot of build issues - mine have so many defects... But i am still loving it. :)

Ok, now i understand your point, Hamdir. And yes - as i said, i love this devices, besides those imperfections. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Regards,
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
granted, the M7 QC became perfect in later batches especially by the end of 2013
[One (M9) General] neo905:
This is a tech site but this stock is in a danger zone right now. There is so much technical damage being done to the stock so quickly with such velocity that for the first time I feel they are in some serious trouble. There a lot of people making excuses for them but the stock chart don't lie and right now it is saying they are going to have a very difficult time turning things around. Getting bought out now is a very real possibility at this point. That's how much damage has been done. People need to stop blaming the media. It's a waste of time. The onus is on HTC. They knew full well what the limitations of their devices were and had more than enough time to address it and did not out of the gate and perception becomes reality, especially first impressions. You can't slip up in this marketplace, it is too competitive right now.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i agree about the worrying stock dive, but the HTC vive deal will help them hold another year even if the loses are endured by the CEOs or local owners i think any buy out option will be pushed another year

if anything, i wish HTC goes back into private, personal wish
[One (M9) General] neo905:
The problem with going private is you go into even more obscurity. Look at Dell. They get MUCH less press now since going private. They are barely spoken of now.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
why would the press not cover a company if its private, i dont get it?
[One (M9) General] sausje85:
So basically they admit having ffed up (doing as little as possible for the new model) with the M9 and will do much better with the next model.

So how about letting those with the M9 trade in when the M10 (if that's the model) comes and get a hefty discount as per compensation for being "kinda slacking" with the M9?!
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
why? did Apple offer the same for the "S" owners?
[One (M9) General] sausje85:
So in other words, Apple standards should be uphold everywhere?

Rofl, that would seriously be ffed up, Apple does nothing but leech and sqeeze from it's consumers.

Because they didn't, nobody else should? That's some good logic right there :good:
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
ok then lets proceed

Did Samsung do the same for SGS3 and SGS4 owners? i dont see people slaughtering Sony for the hyper expensive Z3+ either

people are being gravely unfair toward HTC, if i was an owner, i would shut it down just for this, for people's absurd appetite in treating HTC as the underdog
[One (M9) General] sausje85:
Because HTC has a whole other audience, HTC is always bragging so hard about being the best and having the best quality phones. So we uphold them to that standard they set for themselves when they started the One series.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
after two years of giving Android two consecutive miracles you destroy them the moment they attempt an S update

enjoy it while it lasts, by next year there wont be any HTC left and then you will be forced to swallow the samsungs and the apples
[One (M9) General] sausje85:
Like I said, they set that standard themselves and now we uphold them to it.

Their fault for trying to lower that standard with the M9 over M8.
[One (M9) General] Electronic Punk:
The M9 is better or equal to the M8 in every way. How is that a lower standard?
[One (M9) General] sausje85:
Compared from One X -> M7 and M7 -> M8 and M8 -> M9, that standard is lowered compared to before.
[One (M9) General] Electronic Punk:
How so?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
standard of what? the build quality is through the roof, coating and general build are much improved on top of M8, s810 or camera? these are niggles to be solved by camera

dont believe the hype blindly
[One (M9) General] dlads:
Have enjoyed every HTC i've ever had and i've had quite a few of them, there isn't anything out there that would sway me away from the M9.

The only other device i quite like the look of is the Nubia z9, which is using (you guessed it) the SD 810 lol.

I don't think the bad press HTC has got is due to their device, how could it be ? I'm really not sure why.

It's quite sad really because HTC started it all.
[One (M9) General] fernandezhjr:
But doesn't Apple do an awesome job of leeching and squeezing it's consumers? How has it's stock performed? Like it or not, Apple is pretty much the standard. They must be selling all those phones for a reason. I'm no Apple fan, but even I take notice. In regards to the cell phone divisions, Apple is even beginning to slowly put Samsung to sleep. Apple is the main cause for the decline in Android manufacturers.
[One (M9) General] sausje85:
Reason for it? Influx of retards being born into this world as of the last ~15-20 years that join every ffing hype that's around...

Doesn't mean everyone just have to swallow it and accept it and bent over to take it from behind from those companies... :rolleyes:
[One (M9) General] fernandezhjr:
In the beginning, I bought the iPhone sheep theory, especially with the young hip crowd. But the iPhone has been around long enough to know it is not just a flash in the pan and apart from that, I see much older people carrying one. Also, it has grown considerably for business use and has steadily expanded it's international sales. All you are doing is spouting out the kind of hype one reads in the media and further proving other's points here.
[One (M9) General] exocetdj:
Constructive post

Not a constructive post, don't see what special needs and anal sex have to do with this thread TBH:eek:
[One (M9) General] aka120:
This thread is borderline doomsday for HTC, but I really love the quality they put in their devices and the efforts they make to please their customers (pleasing anyone but themselves is something Samsung and Apple have no ambition to accommodate, which is why I don't use their products).

That being said, you made my day with your reply to sausje85, I'm still lmao and you are totally spot on on top of it.... Lmfao
[One (M9) General] exocetdj:
Spot on mate, if people read between the lines and don't read into the hype they will realize this is actually one of the best devices despite the niggling issues, yeah the update to camera etc is taking a while but it won't be released half baked, as hamdir states they are working their balls off at the Moment, I'm confident we will be looking at a vastly improved device in a month or two.

As for this lack innovation b#llocks some are having kittens about, who the hell else has offered any greater innovation. If anyone has the answer and is that miffed about the m9 then perhaps they should match the correct forum with their answer;) remember innovation in the mobile world seems to have slowed with almost every oem
[One (M9) General] K00li79:
As far as I can deduct from this article she is not apologising for the m9.... She is apologising for the poor sales and the stock drop.

The author is summing up the problems the m9 has.

The m9 sales are just one part of the stock drop, however, mismanagement is the source.
[One (M9) General] NightOrchid:
Hmm, always makes me frown when I hear users and reviews going on and on about the camera. As a photographer (I use a Canon EOS Bridge Camera for Macro and an Olympus Stylus 1 for portrait and Candid) I would never buy a phone for its camera. Mobile phones have a sensor the size of a pen tip compared to even just a small compact (Canon XS700).

Like its already been pointed out here Its just a shame its taken such a hammering and every one has graded the greatness of this phone purely on the camera, instead of its other great features, such as: I chose the M9 for its awesome speakers, but for me.. the ONLY dissapointment was the screen size which wouldve been great at 5.2 or even 5.5"@1080p

Also, the great metal body and great build quality.

Apologising to the stockholders is a bit late, but it could also be because Samsung are now pulling an Apple and people are falling for it. Only time will tell.

But at the end of the day, the ONLY thing that matters to us end users is if they can fix the short falls by L 5.1 or asap.

Its a great device, but now folks have the G4 to focus on, so maybe theyll lay off HTC.
[One (M9) General] Snah001:
Well when stock value is down there is always a reason.

This time sales are far behind the predictions so why is that?

The M9 is simply not selling in the amounts as they expected and all they can blame is themselves for putting a phone on the market when it is not finished.

When that is happening reviewers are all over you to blame and put **** on you but you asked for it by bringing it to the market unfinished.

And they still asking top money for it.

So that is why Mrs. Wang is apologizing for to the shareholders.

It is not only for the shares going down in value but also for what caused it.

Brave move.

Now make the M9 cheaper (at least € 100,-), completely fix the software (regarding batterylife, camera and heating up) and you have a winner.

Then throw 1000 M9's to the reviewers to prove you still can do it.

Don't need a hero phone in autumn to accomplish that.
[One (M9) General] kolembo:
This made me sad.

I think the people surrounding the last director did not push him enough - however, I think he was a bully also and fell into the trap of ego.

I watched the S5 launch and it's battle with the M8. Right then, HTC had won the argument. They made the S5 look like too much of an evolution - HTC was ahead.

I don't understand how then, Wang walked straight into the same thing. It made HTC look lazy.

You know, the M9 is a fabulous phone. It holds its own perfectly well against the likes of the S5 and G4.

What they could have done is release an entirely new model alongside the M9. Something radical. This would have given the superb build quality of the M9 some room to be appreciated, whilst providing future direction to the company.

That launch was the most anticipated launch of the year, HTC had claimed 'best made phone' status and only needed to listen to it's own philosophy on innovation.

Actually I fully blame Wang and his tendency to develop psycophancy in the team around him.

It's heart-breaking because they developed that opportunity... It was right there. If I were HTC now, I'd really look to partnering with one of the Chinese companies. Otherwise not, it's going to be very difficult to again go out in front with innovation.

I really made me sad.
[One (M9) General] iElvis:
The M9 is an awesome phone and worlds better than the M7 I replaced.

I have never understood the camera complaints. Mine takes great pictures that are again much better than my M7.

In both design and usability, Sense still runs circles around the bloated abortion that is TouchWiz.

HTC is adding features (sdcard slots) while Samsung is taking them away.

We still have htcdev unlocking. Go visit the S6 forums for a taste of what life is like elsewhere.

HTC is never going to be the biggest because they simply can't compete with Samsung marketing. They need to just focus on making the best phones the way they've been doing.
[One (M9) General] navalynt:
You really shouldn't try to directly compare Apple and HTC. With Apple you have a company that puts out maybe two models of phone per year with their iOS embedded. This meager selection of handsets has a very large positive impact on quality control, support, and after market accessories which creates an entire ecosystems around their product. That's why you go to Best Buy and see several isles of Apple accessories but then one half isle generically labeled "Android" with maybe two cases for the HTC M9. You're comparing a golf ball with a bowling ball there.

HTC created a great product with the HTC M9 but the media (and many consumers) have gotten into this mentality that anything new needs to be "game changing" or else it's just another mediocre phone on the market. If Samsung had only released the S6 without the S6 Edge what do you suppose people would say about them? Samsung brought the curved edge display to the Note Edge first, which hyped everyone up about the S6 Edge. Essentially they created a product whose whole reason for being was to test market reaction to a design change and, thusly, generate hype for the next product release. Now that's powerful marketing!

HTC, on the other hand, didn't do anything to drive up hype about their M9. Previously they had been touting the Ultrapixel, then the duo camera, but suddenly both of those faded to the background and were left out for the primary rear camera. Plus the camera features that HTC

has

been touting are more or less worthless to a large swath of their customers. How many people care about taking a picture and editing in shapes, or doing weird effects that make the picture barely perceptible?

My primary complaint about the M9 is that I can't take a picture and easily load the stock editor to correct the lighting. It's entirely focused on effects I'll never use and vain selfie features like facial smoothing. I look at my wife's Samsung S5 Active and see features like sound shot, action shot, and animated gifs made immediately available, easy to use, with the features that I want. I think the M9 camera takes a superior picture but I'm forced to use third party apps instead of stock.

Don't get wrong here, I actually like my HTC M9 hardware over all the competing phones out there. I own a Galaxy Note Edge as well but that's pretty much my spare phone at this point for if/when I FUBAR my M9 with new firmwares and ROMs. I'm just saying that HTC focused in the wrong areas of marketing, the wrong features for their camera application, and shot themselves in the foot by abandoning all of the hype they had previously created with the Duo Camera and Ultrapixel.
[One (M9) General] Snah001:
The average user don't want to fiddle around with camera settings, they want fair good pictures out of the box.

And when launched the M9 didn't do that. simply as that.

Normaly "no gaming" users will not suffer from extreme heating up but gamers will 4sure. It was already big news far before launch that the 810 Soc had overheating problems so they had to deal better with that for example by enhancing the heatsink of the soc.

The phone itself wasn't that bad at all but blame HTC for bringing a phone to market where the software isn't finished and the overheating wasn't dealt with.
[One (M9) General] fernandezhjr:
It's not just the M9 that is selling short of expectations. The S6 sales are also falling short of expectations. And it won't surprise me one bit if the G4 also falls short. Time will tell. I know a few users that left iPhone only because they wanted a larger screen. Well now they have been going back to the iPhone. The average consumer is nothing like us. They don't care about specs on a piece of paper. They want only want they want. If it works for them, then it is good.
[One (M9) General] pixel-painter:
I think ones opinion is going to be based on the reasons you bought the phone in the first place. For me it was most definitely the camera and waiting for these updates is very frustrating. Low light pictures stink and focusing indoors is a challenge at best. The rest I have very little issue with but I could have just as easily kept my m8 so acknowledging it's faults are all well and good, but I for one, will be happy when I can taken a decent photo indoors if my dogs and family without having to open all the window shades.
[One (M9) General] clsA:
sorry wrong thread ... please delete
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
I think we can add the HTC M9 in the marketing errors courses, releasing a camera that was not ready in terms of post-processing facing a very well mastered camera on S6 was a huge error, all the reviewers destroyed the M9 in their reviews because the camera didn't have RAW or the enhancement we now have with 1.40.

Specially that there is nothing really new (design,screen).

Personally I liked the S6 I had for 2 weeks but the M9 is still better in everything but nigh shots (which is not a deal breaker for me) that's why I swapped to M9.

They had to either put a OIS or a f1.9 sensor to help with low light + work on camera sooner, it looks they chose the Toshiba sensor in the last minute without any true postprocessing method to use it well, the huge improvement in the daylight photos with the new update 1.40 would have change totally the reviews
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Haha I am a hard core gamer it's why I bought the M9 for its killer GPU DDR4 and 1080p combo

Go play games on an s6 and then talk to me about overheating
[One (M9) General] pixel-painter:
Not sure how it's the wrong thread :) I did clearly mention "

I'm implying fairly clearly that I'm not interested in an acknowledgment or apologies if they can't step up and take care of us.....when my camera works properly I'll accept it. :) currently I spent a lot of money on the promise and advertisement of a good product which up to date has not lived up to it's hype from HTC, who by the way, is still out there advertising this product to others while they are apologizing to us.
[One (M9) General] clsA:
No no, not you

My post was in the wrong thread

Sorry
[One (M9) General] pixel-painter:
Ohhhhhh! Sorry back! Misunderstood your comment Duh! :)
[One (M9) General] fernandezhjr:
Why would you buy the phone mainly for the camera when that has always been HTC's weakest feature? HTC phones have always gotten poor reviews in regards to the camera, including the M8, and you choose that as the reason to get the phone? Fortunately, with the M9, it appears to be mostly software related and that will get ironed out. As far as low light shots, I don't think you will be able to get as good shots as with optical stabilization, but you should be able to still get really nice shots, especially if you are willing to do some manual settings.
[One (M9) General] pixel-painter:
Because I researched the hardware, like you said...... It's software related and the hardware is good. Your statement is telling me I'm wrong to buy the phone for the camera and then telling me the hardware is good. I already knew that :) it's why I bought the phone dude!
[One (M9) General] LibertyMonger:
Did an HTC One M9 actually "overheat" or did it startle people when the aluminum pulled heat and warmed their soft hands a little? Lmao

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And this is EXACTLY why we can't have anything nice in this world anymore! If it isn't perfect we will whine about it lol. I love the fact that we have such a beast in our octacore processor packed into such a small aluminum casing that will pull the heat off of this tiny PS3 gaming-like phone! Didn't we think the bigger and more powerful these phones get the harder it would be to pack them in so small? I love the fact the aluminum is there to pull heat off of this beast and it is a huge plus if it warms our hands in the winter! LMAO

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Whats gonna come next??? They have nearly eliminated the beloved muscle car... are they now gonna start whining that our Mighty HTC phones are causing global warming cause it is such a beast! LMAO. Keep it up with the whining and they will take away our raw power just like they did with the muscle car! :laugh:
[One (M9) General] fernandezhjr:
Yup. This makes me think about all those people that want to sue McDonald's after they spill their hot coffee on themselves.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Awesome posts, some grown ups still exist it seems, the problem is whining to the degree of killing a company is really not right

Consider this, you review a product for its plus and minuses (believe me the s6 is full of those) and then you average the result

The M9 is an 8 over 10 device, even the most whinning reviews gave it that score, yet they treat it like a rubbish 5/10 device just for not having the best camera

99% disregraded how powerful the device is in graphics, gaming and UI speed

99% lied to you about the M9 overheating, lied to you by hiding that the s6 is much worse, as the s810 CPU peeks at 58c and the exynos easily crosses 70c, the heat translating much worse on its glass

99% are lying to you that the M9+ variations are a better product because it has similar battery life, similar thermals and a really inferior MTK (****ty bandwidth and low end graphics speed)

There is a difference of saying oh the M9 is a great phone with some niggles and bashing it like there is no tomorrow, I dont see anyone bashing the **** being produced by companies like Xiaomi or Oppo and definitely the G4, Z4+ and s6 are far from perfect

But no let's kill HTC, its always fun to kill the under dog
[One (M9) General] exocetdj:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] for the Android press revolution! I'm serious mate u should show them what u can do, like u I'm sick of the bribed bias going around these days and the stupid witch hunts against HTC.

Viva la revolution!
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
The only thing stopping me from taking an M9 was the camera but still RAW is here and new FW fixed the camera (1.40 and +) I swapped my S6 to M9 and no regrets about it