yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Tab S General] jdmillard:
On a SM-700, I've rolled back to T700XXU1ANF7. I've gotten permanent root. Everything worked great.

Now I'm about to upgrade to Lollipop using flashfire. My only question is: When flashfire flashes the SYSTEM img, will it overwrite system apps? The only reason I ask is because after I got permanent root with SuperSU, I used the SuperSU setting that converts it to a system app (not really thinking ahead). Now I'm about to flashfire an upgrade and I'm wondering if the SuperSU app will disappear.

Is this a concern?

I guess the deeper question is how much does flashing SYSTEM img mess with system apps?

Any insight is appreciated.
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Everything on the system partition will be wiped. You don't need to worry about root. Flashfire takes care of that for you
[Galaxy Tab S General] jdmillard:
Good to know. (I haven't used Flashfire before).

I "Thanked"

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I've got one more question.

About the Lollipop bootloader needing to be flashed independently via Odin: I'm following the guidance of some previous posts in this thread. I've extracted the sboot.bin from the original lollipop tar.md5. All I did was extract the contents using 7zip. Then I used the ImgToTar tool as directed in an earlier post (supplied from this thread) to convert the sboot.bin to sboot.tar.md5 which should be flashable via Odin in download mode. Is this process correct?

My hesitation is that the supplied lollipop bootloader (odin-flashable tar.md5) download for the T800 in the first post contains two files:

sboot.bin

param.bin

Whereas the flashable file I created with the above method for my T700 only has the single file sboot.bin because it's the only file I selected. I imagine that the param.bin is important.

Where am I going wrong? I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Edit1: I also looked through the the contents of the lollipop tar.md5 file and didn't see a param.bin. So I'll need more information about that before I can talk about it intelligently.

Edit2: I've searched around in the thread a bit more and I'm feeling more confident about what I said above about flashing the sboot.tar.md5 via Odin (created from extracted sboot.bin from Lollipop ROM. However, my question about param.bin still stands. It sounds like others were able to get the Lollipop bootloader without flashing param.bin, but I'm still curious why the OP download links contained it. Is there any insight about this?
[Galaxy Tab S General] jdmillard:
I went ahead and flashed everything. It worked great. I still don't know what param.bin is, but as suspected, it's not required to be flashed with the sboot.bin. I'm now running 5.0.2 with permanent root and Knox=0 (0x0000) on SM-T700 !

I've attached the lollipop sboot.tar.md5 for the SM-T700 to benefit future users so they don't have to extract it. [MENTION=4899305]ashyx[/MENTION] Feel free to add it to the op if you want, but I guess people can search this themselves if they want. I'll supply the build number from which I extracted it so the name can match the naming convention:

"T700XXU1BOE3_BOOTLOADER" (attached below)
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
No Idea why the param.bin is in there as it's not required, I didn't upload that file.
[Galaxy Tab S General] jjjohn:
At point 10. "The next step is to install our ROM of choice white FLASHFIRE" do you intend to install the previously downloaded 4.4.2. or other ROMs (like 5.0.2 for example)?
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
Hey, i have the SM-T700. Is thid firmware ok (old enough) for the downgrade? http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/download/32411/T700XXU1ANF7_T700DBT1ANF1_DBT/

Will the knox trigger, if i downgrade the rom? i know that it normaly dont trigger it, of you flash original roms. But with downgrade i dont know.
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Yes it's early enough. It wont trip knox.
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
Hi Ashyx,

Could you post the 2.4.1 script? Or even better, do you have a script for 2.4.5?

Thanks!

Robert
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
It won't work for 2.4.5.

When I get time I will see if I can post a quick guide how to modify the script for future reference.
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
That would be greatly appreciated!

Teach a man to fish... ;)
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
one question: will the knox trigger if you flash a recovery image with flashify?

can someone try this?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
It clearly states in the op that XXU1ANF8 or earlier must be used for Kingroot.
[Galaxy Tab S General] ClowMagician:
It works almost perfectly

I'm posting some feedback using T800XXU1BOCC_T800UVS1BOC2_TCE (Mexico) and I must say that it works like a charm in terms of rooting and knox counter (mine remains as 0x0). Although, I encountered some issues at the time of updating google apps automatically or even download new ones. I have no idea what could possibly be the reason, but I'm looking forward for a solution.

It seems that whenever I reboot I can update/download apps for the first 2 minutes or so, after that, it says downloading for the other apps and takes a very long time...

Thanks for this guide as it is very helpful because I purchased a 2-year extended warranty and I didn't want to spoil it; I now have root, knox on 0x0 and could not be more grateful!! Keep the good work and thanks again!! :good: :good:

(Sorry about my english, it's been a long time since I last wrote something)

UPDATE: All the apps got updated EXCEPT google Chrome, it remains on a downloadloop. I tried uninstalling it using RU Pro but got it backed up first and doesn't help, still on loop.

UPDATE 2: Well, it seems that I'm never updating Chrome again, but it's ok because at least it works. I have to mention that I tried backing up and then deleting the app using RU Pro and it didn't work, showing the error "critical functionality required to run Chrome is missing; either your Chrome installation is incomplete or not compatible with this version of Android" and the ONLY thing that helped was re-flashing the rom, but still not getting any updates though.
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Thanks for the feedback.

It's unlikely it's rooting that is causing the issue. I have all my devices rooted and don't have issues with play store.

If I do usually clearing data and cache for Play and Google services fixes it.

Also you don't need to always use play there are plenty of alternatives, just enable downloading from unknown sources in settings.

http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/chrome/
[Galaxy Tab S General] ClowMagician:
It worked finally

After I reflashed the rom, Chrome started updating almost normally, it took forever as it was in downloadloop but then, after 3 or 5 mins, the download bar started moving. Thanks again for your help!!!

Also, do you have any apps to recommend? I rooted because I wanted Xposed and it doesn't work on LolliTouchWiz. I read a post that said that using xposed might trip knox, is that correct?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Xposed is now working on TW lollipop. There is a thread posted here how to install it.

It's unlikely it will trip Knox, nobody has reported that as far as I know.

Just remove everything Knox related from the Rom now you are rooted
[Galaxy Tab S General] gggg:
Sorry for my noob question !

Right now my T705 is on SkyHigh_ROM_v1.1_KOT49H.T705XXU1AOA1 (my stockROM was T705XXU1ANF8) , TWRP recovery, rooted and KNOX=1.

1 I reread the OP and posts ... maybe its my bad english, but I did not read something on "Can I stay on Kitkat" with this methode ?

2 Would my tripped Knox be 0 afterwards ?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
This methods is pointless for you, you have already tripped Knox. You cant revert Knox back to 0.
[Galaxy Tab S General] _imperator:
How can i extract the Bootloader?

thx
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Use 7zip to open the stock firmware tar file then extract sboot.bin
[Galaxy Tab S General] mathurmatt:
[MENTION=4899305]ashyx[/MENTION] I have a new T705 i am on kitkat nf8 frimware do i need to flash lollipop or other frimware to get permanent root or or steps from 3 to 9 is suffice as i never updated to lollipop...
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Go straight to flashing kingroot.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mathurmatt:
after kingroot do i need to flash another frimware or not
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
No, only if you want to upgrade to lollipop.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mathurmatt:
[MENTION=4899305]ashyx[/MENTION] kingroot not working tried almost 70-80 times every time strategy unavailable i exited the app every time even cleared data 2-3 times.
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Install the rom I posted in the first post.

Also make sure you are connected to the internet.
[Galaxy Tab S General] leapinlar:
I did it to get rid of Kingroot and its connection with China. It just wanted Kingroot replaced with SuperSu on the same Kit Kat rom. So after getting the temporary SuperSu I just reflashed the same rom with FlashFire to make it permanent. If I do ever want to move to lollipop I can flash that later. Thanks for this.

Edit: BTW, I did this on my SM-T900 (Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2).
[Galaxy Tab S General] DUHAsianSKILLZ:
Hi ash, here's the latest SM-T800 LP OE3 bootloader I downloaded from the samfirm tool. I believe this goes in the BL Tab in odin since the rest was labeled like CSC and AP.

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347763436
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Great stuff I will add the link to the op.
[Galaxy Tab S General] thorvindr:
Can anyone confirm that his will work on a t807a already updated to Lollipop? I'm going to try it regardless but if somebody elso has already had success I'd feel a lot better going in.
[Galaxy Tab S General] djide:
Anyone got xposed working after rooting?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Doesn't matter how you flash it, knox will always trip.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
is there a way to flash custom roms or even flashable zips?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Flashfire.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
and this will 100% not trigger the knox counter? :D
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Nope, as long as you don't flash a custom kernel or recovery.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
but in custom roms, there a costum kernels? what is with these?

sry for my english ^^

and sorry for asking so much ^^
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
You remove it or replace it with stock.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
But if i try to flash xposed framework zip it should not trigger the counter
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Nothing you flash except a custom recovery or kernel will trip knox.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
is it normal that after the downgrade, there stand in download mode: system status: custom ? :confused:

update: it failed many times with kingroot. i tried the last version and 4.1 many times

update: i flashed the firmware again via odin and tried again with kingroot. it works!

after a few hours, i am finally on lollipop with knox 0x0000 rooted :)

But one last question: http://xdaforums.com/android/software-hacking/guide-android-l-5-0-lollipop-deodex-t2967242

if i run this tool to deodex my rom the knox counter should not trigger?

because i want to install xposed and therefore i have to deodex my rom
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
One last time.

Knox will not trip unless you flash a custom rom or kernel.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
ok sorry for asking so much

thank you for the good support and this good guide!:good::good:
[Galaxy Tab S General] thehawk73:
Sorry guys for my questions and sorry if i'am OT, but I really do not understand the problem of the Knox counter related to the warranty.

I bought 10 days ago a SM-T 700 (wifi - only) with kit kat installed. I would like to change the bootloader , root the device , and probably in next months load a custom rom.

Is possible to make all these changes without loose warranty and if not which actions make the warranty no more valid ? (modifying the Knox counter) .

Thank you for your help !!

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Ok Ok oK .I saw in the first page that a custom kernel or changing the bootloader can trip the Knox counter. ...so void the warranty ..

It it correct ? Exists other procedure to use a modded bootloader without trip the knox ?
[Galaxy Tab S General] jdmillard:
People can correct me, but this is my understanding: You can do what you suggest without tripping knox, but it won't be as straight forward as what you would normally see in guides for custom rom flashing. Why? You can flash whatever you want so long as you are using the official kernel and official recovery (if you are trying to keep knox=0). However, the standard guide will walk you through installing a custom recovery (CWM/TWRP) to give you special pre-boot tools to flash your stuff... which would trip knox. So the work around is to keep the standard recovery and do the flashing with other tools such as FlashFire which is capable of flashing stuff from inside booted Android. That is only half of the equation. Even if you get everything ready to flash your ROM of choice via FlashFire, A custom ROM will usually use a different kernel which will trip knox. Apparently you can remove the custom kernel from the ROM before flashing and just use the standard official kernel with your custom ROM (but I've never tried). In that case, you could have a custom ROM with the standard official recovery and the standard official kernel and knox=0... and still enjoy your ROM.

The new questions become:

1. How much work is it to extract the kernel from a custom ROM before flashing and replace it with the official stock one? (I don't know, I've never done it)

2. How robust is the new ROM? Can it handle using the standard stock kernel or will it cause all kinds of errors during normal device usage? (I don't know, I've never done it and i imagine it will depend on the ROM and who created it).

For more specific answers, you'd need to talk to someone who is better versed in these topics. You might be able to find some guides or more information about this. But the bottom line is that it won't be as straight forward as your standard custom ROM guide... but I believe it is possible.
[Galaxy Tab S General] thehawk73:
Hi Guys, in the firtst page of the procedure I can read "Firstly you need to downgrade your device to a XXU1ANF8 or earlier firmware suitable for your particular model." Has anyone tryed to root with a firmware version released after the XXU1ANF8 (wit kik kat firmware) without tripping knox ? I have the XXU1ANL1 (30 Dec 2014) on my T700 and i would not downgrade for the root .

Second question : I f I try to find XXU1ANF8 firmware on the smasung updates ... I saw that is for region COO (I don't know what means). Could I downgrade using this one different from my region thai is Italy ?

I will wait for your reply.
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarcoLK:
I have the T700 too. Try the ANF7 Firmware. And Try to find your Firmware on sammobile too.
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
Hi Ash,

I'm looking at the 2.3.5 script, and it's pretty straightforward: I'm guessing you convert the Aroma installer script to a standalone script?

What does the "update-binary" do?

Thanks,

Robert

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Oh, I get it: that is the Aroma script, and the aroma update binary. So you take the conditionals out, and hard code it for the stock kernel?

file_getprop("/tmp/aroma/window5.prop","selected.1")
[Galaxy Tab S General] thehawk73:
Thank you phanter
[Galaxy Tab S General] anferny91:
problems getting root with tab s 10.5 (T800)

i can do everything up until the flashfire part to obtain root, but as soon as i attempt to flash a lollipop rom/bootloader from those listed, i cannot get flashfire to reboot my device into D/L mode and whenever i try to manually install a bootloader through odin, i can get the firmware to work but, i lose my root status in the process, what would be my best option?
[Galaxy Tab S General] blavov:
Hello all,

I finally managed to root my Tab (SM-T805) using the Kingoroot method. I currently have stable root with Firmware T805XXU1ANF8 (Lollipop).

Now, I'd like to flash IronROM (2.4.5. is the most current version). How do I do that with flashfire (which I have to use if I want to keep Root, right? Or is there another way)?

Also, if I now remove KNOX (and KNOX SetupWizardClient, perhaps), will Knox be disabled no matter what I flash next? Could I even install a custom recovery/kernel without triggering anything or will that blow the Knox fuse? What ecactly does removing those system apps do?

As always, thanks in advance for any help with this.
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
You can't. Ashyx hasn't released the upgrade script for 2.4.1. or 2.4.5.
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
It's in the Ironrom thread.
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
Thanks Ash!
[Galaxy Tab S General] Techiedroid:
Hi Ashyx

I've tried this procedure several times and just can't get it to work. The first time the posted version of Flashfire wouldn't even open so I found alternative download which was version 0.24 apk. All seemed to work well until Flashfire finished and tablet was stuck on boot screen (it never rebooted into download mode) so, obviously Odin wouldn't connect until I physically pressed the download combination. Have you tried this method recently? Seems impossible to gain root on Lollipop successfully.

Any thoughts?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
Are you flashing the correct bootloader and kernel?

Its still working someone else in a different thread just updated with it.
[Galaxy Tab S General] blavov:
While that may or may not be the case anymore (see Ashyx post), I have long given up, as there was no reply here for more than a week. I have merely upgraded to stock Lollipop with FlashFire and upgraded the bootloader, but nothing else. I haven't even removed any Knox parts of the software (with Lollipop there are four or five apps running including one called Knox 2), as I wasn't sure whether this would cause any problems (or helped in any way).

As I don't want to trigger Knox (and/or lose root again), I will most likely miss out on any Custom ROM or kernel, as the installation instructions (and the remarks regarding Knox) are just plain horrible IMO. I still have problems with the small flash of the Tab S, as quite a few apps can't even be moved to the SD card using Link2SD on a rooted tablet. Google Play Books is one such offender; with just six books (commercial PDFs by O'Reilly, Maning, Springer and Apress), it consumes almost one gigabyte of internal memory. I have therefore removed all books from Play Books and am currently searching for a better alternative.

I still stand by my earlier decision to never by a Samsung Tab again. Or any Tab with less than 64 Gigs of internal memory.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Jeweettoch13:
Could i also use the latest T800XXU1BOJ1 Bootloader (Extracted from original firmware) instead of the XXU1BOE3 one from DUHasian skillz trough Kies after flashing the latest T800XXU1BOJ1 PHN firmware trough Flashfire?

I am now on the point to Flash That image after succesfully obtained root acces thanks to ashyx root guide and knox on 0x0.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 3DSammy:
Yes, I always like matching the firmware version with the bootloader.img

Despite it not being necessary when the current bootloader works with the new firmware. It will not mess anything up
[Galaxy Tab S General] Jeweettoch13:
Tnx. Now installed the XXU1BOE3 BL trough odin as the MD5 file. How to do with the extracted XXU1BOJ1 boot.bin file from the MD5 package? same story as checkboxing the AP and insert file and flash or is it not that simple? Does it have to be a MD5 file?
[Galaxy Tab S General] 3DSammy:
I've extracted the sboot.bin file from the firmware then created a tar file which I used to flash in ODIN. I use Linux so follow this procedure:

1) Extract sboot.bin from the firmware file

2) Then do the following steps in a terminal session replacing "XXXX" with the actual firmware version (e.g. B0E3):

cd /where ever you placed the sboot.bin file/
tar -H ustar -c sboot.bin > XXXX_sboot.tar &&
md5sum -t XXXX_sboot.tar >> XXXX_sboot.tar &&
mv XXXX_sboot.tar XXXX_sboot.tar.md5

Here is a how-to tutorial if your using another OS:

[TUTORIAL] How To Create Your Own Odin Flashable TAR or TAR.MD5

Good luck
[Galaxy Tab S General] Jeweettoch13:
I will look into this. Thanks :)
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
Hi Ashyx,

Any chance of a 2.5 install script? Or even better, explain how to edit the Aroma install script to make our own? :)

Thanks!

Robert
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
It's much simpler than that.

Linux based system - tar cvf sboot.tar sboot.bin at the command line or use the built in archive manager.

No need to create an md5.

For windows you can do the same thing with the the windows tar binary, but it's easier to use 7zip.

Right click sboot.bin select create archive. Select tar and storage as the only options.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Jeweettoch13:
That's awesome. Tnx.

Btw when marshmallow arrives (hoping) can we just simply flash though flashfire and still obtain root? Or needs flashfire an update to be compatible with marshmallow?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
No, currently modifications are required to the ramdisk just like 5.1.1
[Galaxy Tab S General] madmax_1979:
I have an issue with this method, I have a SM-N805, I did everything, and works fine in KK, but, when I upgrade to Lolly Pop via flashfire and flash the bootloader, my device don't recognize the SIM card. If I flash it with odin, no root obviously, it works. Anybody knows what happens or how can I fix it?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
You need to update the modem as well. This has already been covered.
[Galaxy Tab S General] madmax_1979:
[GUIDE] How to root without tripping knox - Kitkat and Lollipop, Locked bootl...

Thanks a lot, where can I find it?
[Galaxy Tab S General] ashyx:
It's in the stock firmware you flash with odin.

You can flash it with flashfire, but you need to select modem before flashing or you can extract it from the firmware and tar it up with 7zip then flash with odin.
[Galaxy Tab S General] madmax_1979:
Ok, I'll try it. Thanks again.
[Galaxy Tab S General] rizzotti91:
Hello, is possible to root the Tab S with the latest official Lollipop rom, without modify knox counter?
[Galaxy Tab S General] Jeweettoch13:
The method with flashfire u described, could it also work on my rooted SM-N9005 note 3? I have that on 4.4.2 with Knox still on 0x0 tnx to towel root but seriously want to upgrade the firmware but without losing the root or trip Knox. I heard any bootloader above N9005UEND3 can't have root rights so what's up with that? Tnx in advance. :)
[Galaxy Tab S General] maxgamer2006:
hello i have samsung tab s 8.4 lte modell with Kitkat

hello i have since 2 weeks newa Tab from good friends gift me , this ist t705 modell with 8,4 screen with lte modul.

i want install the root and custom rom without tigger the knock counter, is this way worked or no? what is better for performanche and battery life on android 4.4.2 or lollipop ( update is no install, only see for install the update menu)

and i want have many apps on sd card ( i used 128gb samsung evo plus red card ) is this work ? internal memory is much full ( i have now the time no Root)

greet max(from near berlin) i hope make no so much problems :)

i say the tab is the best modell i like 8,4 size for movie etc. i no like the 4/3 screen tab s2 is look to big :)
[Galaxy Tab S General] cmosarch:
Honestly, major kudos to Ashyx for the Kingroot/Flashfire hack, but it's a lot of friggin' hoops to jump through, and you still end up not being able to use a custom kernel

or Aroma installer.

Also, with this method, you're always going to be one or two revs behind the major ROM releases like IronROM because Ashyx has to manually modify the Aroma install script

for every release.

I'd recommend just running stock for a month to make sure your hardware is OK, and just flash a custom ROM directly.