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[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
I know. But having to wait more than 5 months....

And it's not rage, guys, I remember you that at the announcement of the 5.1.1 update for the M2, they said:

If it wasn't due to the claims over the forums, social networks (see #NoLollipopNoMoreXperia), and other platforms, like Support Chat, Sony probably won't be giving us the update,

just like happened to E3, E1, T3

...

The unique way to achieve something from Sony (in the Not-Z range devices) is this...
[Sony Xperia M2] erikcas:
I have been on 5.1.1 on M2 for several months. I think it is not worth all that nerves. Maybe I will see, that is if I am ever will be on stock on M2 again. Not a great chance I think

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[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
Well, at least having the 3.4 kernel camera blobs can help too for the custom-rom development, isn't it?

I'd really like to see a full 5.1.1 Omni, it's not all about having stock, but the blobs.
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
I agree linuxct if we didn't hound them we wouldn't have got the update. The suspense is killing us plus all recent mods are for lollipop only

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[Sony Xperia M2] erikcas:
You really think you "hounding them" brought an upgrade? I think you are living on a different world then I am. The upgrade is only in your scope after Sony announced it.

Also don't forget Sony is a company who earns money on selling phones. They don't only have responsibility to customers but also to shareholders and other stakeholders. They can have plenty of legimite reasons to only start rolling out when they start.

As for camera / kernel:

I wish the best of luck with it. I got it working on omni kk but AFAIK a cm kk with working camera was never there

I have no plans on reverting to 3.4 kernelbranches for my customs.

Instead I will stick to the road I am on with 3.10 kernel. As I convinced that that will be the road we all will be on with M in sight. And since I have no rush I will patiently wait for sonyxperiadev cam blobs for 3.10 instead of putting lots of efforts and time (again) in Sony full-of-hacks stock kernel camera solutions. Besides all that. It is a phone. Not a camera
[Sony Xperia M2] Miche1asso:
Well, it is what Sony itself said. They said they brought Lollipop to the other phones due to popular demand. So either they are lying or the pressure in Internet did work.

Said that I was expecting to wait about 3 weeks. Then since the prediction for the certification was correct I've got hyped myself. But yeah, I can live without Lollipop for a bit more. It's just that my phone is running from crap to worse again and I need/want to do a full wipe ASAP. So the earlier the better, since I don't want to do it twice.

Then I hope ART will fix some lagging, because waiting up to 20 seconds (but sometime it's immediate) to check if there is a new update in the update center, or to open Goggle Play from the notification panel drives me mad
[Sony Xperia M2] henrylim96:
btw, is anybody free enough to do a performance test for M2 so that we can compare the performance between 4.4.4 and 5.1.1 (Dalvik vs ART)? :D:D:D
[Sony Xperia M2] erikcas:
I think Sony has decent marketingtools to determine popularity and decision-making towards upgrades. That tool is probably not xda.

About kk and crap: I think the reason for screwing up phoneperformane is not kitkat. I think it is the one who operates it, what that person expects from it and the crap that that person installs on his phone.

My mother has had a 2403 since last December 5th. It is only rebooted on 2 upgrades since then. The device is always smooth running on stock.

And so I know 2 more people who are on stock and still after months love their phones
[Sony Xperia M2] erikcas:
Oh BTW did I already mention? In no way I want to disrespect people here.

Just enjoying the hype here and throw in some comments :)

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[Sony Xperia M2] supertiger1234:
Three Ireland just told me this on Twitter, seems sony had a delay http://imgur.com/j4HgQGP
[Sony Xperia M2] Miche1asso:
Who said anything about XDA? The popular demand has been through the official Sony channels.

Sorry if with a phone I'd like to use all its features. Which includes to install as many applications as I am allowed, enabling the location but disabling the voice search in Google Now (which autoenables itself once in a while anyway) together with NFC and anything I don't use. That's all I do apart from rooting (and with that to add the ad blocker, which technically should make things even slightly faster). It's a well known fact that Android after installing many applications and using them starts to get less responsive. There was also an article here in XDA about it.

And some delays occur even after resetting the phone, and yes, restoring my apps with Titanum Backup. Same for the screen lag, which I read it is present even in the top phones, at least judging from some people complaining in internet. It's Android, I buy it only because it's cheap like most people do. Sure not because I am a fan of a Java machine running over a Linux kernel using a crappy garbage collector.
[Sony Xperia M2] erikcas:
Oh your right offcourse.

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[Sony Xperia M2] SpectreXM8:
You have no clue what you`re talking about. It`s not a matter of how many apps you`re running, but how crappy those apps were coded. I have 4 pages of apps just on my homescreen, and probably 10 in my drawer (with most of the Sony apps removed, so no, those aren`t default Sony apps bundled), and my phone works fine, except heavy multitasking , but that`s due to the small amount of RAM. I can write an app that hogs 500MB of ram in less than 30 minutes, with a simple list that loads 4K bitmaps in ImageViews without resizing them to a proper size. Don`t blaim the OS because you like to install SuperMegaTweakYaPhoneMemoryBoosterOMGIncreaseYourDownloadSpeedsForPorn apps writted by Chinese dumb****s like CheetahMobile who couldn`t code a Toast Message without NullPointer Exceptions
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
Yes but is that just the three network ftf or every ftf. Three having a delay shouldn't delay non carrier ftf's I know

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[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
I think this is even better, because if 3 expects having it at the end of first week of October, maybe sim-free ftfs come earlier.

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[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
Oct this time next week

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[Sony Xperia M2] AleksJ:
Maybe I made another mistake with this second M2 device, and if Sony canceled this upgrade for some reason, the only way to test the new Android Lollipop features will be on emulator, and again without camera. :)
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
Didn't you installed Omni 5.1.1 in the new one? You can try features there, excepting camera ofc. :)
[Sony Xperia M2] SpectreXM8:
See the above Twitter response from an Irish Network Operator. It`s not cancelled, but delayed till around 2-4 October, next week (maybe sooner for carrier free devices)
[Sony Xperia M2] AleksJ:
Yes, although it's not exactly the same, and of course without camera. :)

---------- Post added at 17:17 ---------- Previous post was at 17:12 ----------

I see and really hope that will be soon. :)
[Sony Xperia M2] xpm2:
I rode someone saying that he/she asked to sony when 5.1.1 is coming out and they said that it is caming in few days.
[Sony Xperia M2] Miche1asso:
Uuuuh.. Did I touch the precious Android? I do know how much memory the apps are using. here is my top 10 right now:

- Google Chrome: 62MB - It's the standard web browser. Should I freeze it?

- GO Weather Ex: 58 MB - Yes, it's a memory sucker. But I like it

- System Android: 53 MB

- Xperia Home: 45 MB

- System UI: 38 MB

- com.google.process.gapps: 27 MB

- ROM Tool Box pro: 26 MB - It's the tool I am currently using to check the memory of the apps running

- com.google.android.gms.persistent: 26 MB

- Whatsapp: 25 MB

- Google Play services: 24 MB

- Free RAM: 132 MB

With many others following. Out of 10 apps 7 are stock/system apps. It seems a normal usage to me. Still the lag while switching screens in the home or throwing down the notification panel is clearly visible. It feels like it vibrates, it micro stutters. And Google Play not opening immediately after touching a notification about an update is irritating.

Still i can't complain much. At least its' very stable. I played a bit with the Samsung Core Prime with KK 4.4.4 of my brother in law. A couple of days old, no rooting, no nothing. It was force closing the apps every 10 minutes. especially Google Chrome.
[Sony Xperia M2] erikcas:
Now I am the greatest NOOB here but feels like vibrating? It does or it does not. Micro stutters? Have your hardware checked?

Drop the Titanium backups and restore your system from your Google account. Generally (mind the word generally) titanium restores all the junk you just wiped your system for.

If I see titanium in logcats in issuereports on my customs I immediately stop reading

reading. I refuse to analyse stock or cm junk on omnirom or aosp rooms.

You have 132 free

0 would be problematic.
[Sony Xperia M2] krule031:
So sorry for noob question, but if you flash a sim-free ftf on a sim locked phone will it remove the sim lock or?
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
No, only the network you are on can unlock the phone to use any network. Only difference really in ftf's is the pre-installed apps(bloatware) and some regions say lte instead of 4g

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[Sony Xperia M2] masakrator1992:
I'm not sure, but someone mentioned about bricking phones when cross-flashing different carrier firmwares on sim-locked phones...
[Sony Xperia M2] hitmanle016:
I have locked sim device :D i change at least 10 times rom... Once i have flashed RUsian. And everything its same. Just few apps.
[Sony Xperia M2] nemanja.bgd:
I saw that too somewhere, but i'm allways flashing debranded firmware or some german branded firmware on my carrier locked phone without any problems.

Btw, about 5.1.1 firmware for m2, i dont think that we will have to wait october...at least for debranded firmware. My prediction is few days. For carrier branded firmware on the other hand, i don't know...my carrier releases it usualy couple weeks after debranded, which is the reason i moved to debranded one.
[Sony Xperia M2] bogdan109:
Hello,

I buyed from Orange an M2 and after boot up, i installed an new ROM (DE) because i know the germans are the best. Phone was locked in to Orange but the instalation went very well with no problem.All phones who i have had (S4,S5,M2) i installed from minute one german ROMS. From what i tested , german give us stable software. I hope Sony from Germany will do the same with this phone.
[Sony Xperia M2] masakrator1992:
Were german ROMs better in any way than international generic ROMs from SONY?
[Sony Xperia M2] SpectreXM8:
They`re the same freaking ROMs except different regional apps (Some services are only available in certain regions) and carrier crap.
[Sony Xperia M2] lordttf:
What is less bloatware?

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[Sony Xperia M2] Dzepar:
Pre-installed apps that takes memory and no one use, less bloatware = less of those apps. ;)

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[Sony Xperia M2] bogdan109:
My advice: Test and speak later. I have had lumia 625 and i tested a tones of roms but german one was stable, smooth and friendly with the battery and yes, every ROM it is full with that crap bloatware and it is no way to remove from the phone without root!
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
We must be getting closer.......

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[Sony Xperia M2] FrWhyMe:
Y u do dis to me Sony ;-;

I thought it was the update but NO ! Just an update for What's New ;-;

The feels man , the feels ;--;[IMG="The feels ;-;"]http://i.imgur.com/bXqsIOW.jpg[/IMG]
[Sony Xperia M2] engloa:
Thread cleaned of non English posts

A reminder of rule 4

And a final reminder to treat each other with respect and be courteous to one another.

If the bickering continues, we will have no choice but to close the thread.
[Sony Xperia M2] obsidian_eclipse:
I did exactly the same as you. I held my breath and then.. Oohhh..

I'm going to hedge my bets on next week now, but it would be nice if it were sooner.
[Sony Xperia M2] francoivan:
I had the same feeling, but I think it's a good thing. We all have a functional Software Update app, and just had a global rollout, not lollipop as expected, but of "What's New". So, as soon as someone knows something, we'll know :D.
[Sony Xperia M2] CBlike:
Waiting for lollipop update I most interested in the new camera api

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[Sony Xperia M2] DCSoft:
Sadly the camera api would have legacy mode of camera2 (lollipop) api, meaning raw feature, shutter speed, etc will not be provided.
[Sony Xperia M2] CBlike:
I was so excited :( Sad to hear that

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[Sony Xperia M2] DCSoft:
Not 100%! But check Z3 & Z1 forums - they have legacy mode, therefore I am sceptic to be honest.

Sorry, I am into photography, I have the same feelings
[Sony Xperia M2] CBlike:
It have to be, my brother has a Z3 and he can't use any camera app with that api

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[Sony Xperia M2] DCSoft:
Even with 5.1.1?
[Sony Xperia M2] CBlike:
Yes, no feature even with 5.1.1 I see that Z3+ it has compatibility except with No capture in RAW.

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[Sony Xperia M2] DCSoft:
Well even the rest (shutter speed e.g.) would be great to be honest
[Sony Xperia M2] filip.kosut:
Btw new firmware for z3 was certified [emoji30]....

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[Sony Xperia M2] FrWhyMe:
THIS It was written yersteday btw

http://en.yibada.com/articles/67172/20150924/android-5-1-lollipop-update-sony-xperia-m2-aqua-dual.htm
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
And does it tell us anything we already didn't know?

I don't see the point of that article.

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[Sony Xperia M2] TakuyaZ:
Ever since M2 is certified, there's no major android updates for any of sony phone, its all minor ones. like bugfixes
[Sony Xperia M2] moses_dx:
Android 6 will be released on October 5 and still no lollipop ota for m2

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[Sony Xperia M2] xpm2:
I hope lollipop comes today or tomorrow...
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
When has Sony released such big update on a weekend?

Don't expect anything until next week, IMO...

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[Sony Xperia M2] lordttf:
On a weekend?? No way no chance

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[Sony Xperia M2] 31fahmi:
I think we will got android 6.0
[Sony Xperia M2] hitmanle016:
For now, we got nothing [emoji14]
[Sony Xperia M2] CraftyPie:
Says Xperia M2, so it's probably universal across all models.
[Sony Xperia M2] bijay135:
OMG yesss was waiting for this news for so long :D. I hope they fix they low sound bug in games in D2302. Thanks Sony :laugh:
[Sony Xperia M2] zrilman:
I knew it ( I hoped :D ) that they will upgrade our Xperia M2 to Lollipop.

So happy! Now just wait for the ftf file for flashing :silly:
[Sony Xperia M2] ReznorNInchNails:
Good guy Sony :good:
[Sony Xperia M2] Miche1asso:
I was reading yesterday that Dual SIM support came with Lollipop 5.1. The Xperia M2 will move straight to 5.1, so there are good chances that the D2302 will get it as well.
[Sony Xperia M2] antkalaitzakis96:
yeah, dual sim will receive it too! :)
[Sony Xperia M2] iFlashed:
The update will be for M2 and Aqua!! Confirmed by Sony
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
Opinion about upgrade plans

I have this device (M2) since June of last year. It came with JB installed, like we all know. Sony promised to update it to KitKat in May, 2014. We got the first kitkat updates in france and russia, in late August.

Following the amount of time sony needed before releasing, and taking into account that 5.1 will head to Z series + T2/C3 before, I can say we might get this update in September.

And, by having a look at the 5.0 upgrade plans they made, this is probably going to be the schedule 5.1 will follow:

Z3 and Z2 (June) ~ Z1 and Z Ultra (late june-july) ~ Original Z series, with T2 and C3 (August) ~ Xperia M2 & M2 Aqua (late September)...

The reason why M2 will get it last (and late) it's because, for the other devices, the upgrade is just a minor update, however for M2 it's not, since we will skip 5.0, and we will jump from 4.4.4 to 5.1...

This is how I think Sony will release it.

Again, this post is just my opinion, I'm just saying what I think, because this is not the first Sony device I have, and Sony, for big upgrades like this, spends lot's of time before releasing.
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
I'd go with that fella, I've been telling people not to expect it before August. Hell after consigning myself to not getting it now it's been confirmed Sony feel free to take your time and get it right I may even wait til I see how well it performs before upgrading after everything I've changed in kk

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[Sony Xperia M2] galaxyfreak:
[MENTION=4787101]linuxct[/MENTION], Well said bud. I've wrote a similar thing over at my thread yesterday.

But, look at it from another angle. Other OEMs (excluding Motorola) are equally slow. But they don't provide updates to mid-range, so it may seem they do the job faster, atleast for ones who just briefly follow others.
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
Yes, that's true.

Sony, updating the complete Z series has done a pretty good job, admirable, but they couldn't update all those devices and then forget a top-selling device like the M2 was... (In my city I see lots of M2 in the streets, and even in my class!)

I don't care about times, in fact, but at least Sony is doing a good job with their devices, not like other OEMs like you said... Hope the update is stable as kitkat is.
[Sony Xperia M2] BusterBg_18:
Theme engine

I really hope that they put the theme engine because is really usefull for me
[Sony Xperia M2] Arif JeNong:
Yeah finally (y)
[Sony Xperia M2] BlazingBullets:
i have just one fear, they are gonna make lollipop, but when they release it android M will be the norm, and we will be once again stuck with a "bad" software
[Sony Xperia M2] galaxyfreak:
Update from Sony!

Expected it almost like this, with exception of Z going after T2U and C3.
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
Time to wait :rolleyes:

Maybe for October? Or September if we are lucky. :p
[Sony Xperia M2] NieeLz:
LastLy but im happy because this phone supported by sony

i hope its not only fake news again
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
It's not we are getting 5.1, all m2 models will Be updated. Z1 range and z ranges are 10th of August, I think by September hopefully it will reach us.

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[Sony Xperia M2] Miche1asso:
Nah, at this point it's real. Actually I wonder why it takes so long to be delivered. It has the same SoC of the Xperia C3. Basically it's the same phone just with different cameras and touchscreen. Which means a couple of different drivers in the Linux kernel. But yeah, a testing phase for each model is still needed I suppose.

In any case our phone has even got the Android M preview. There are good chances we will get that as well one day. Which makes sense in terms of business. One of the reasons why people buy the iPhone (and hate Android) is that they know their iPhone won't get abandoned after just a couple of years or even less. Whoever will assure 2 or 3 years of Android support for all its capable phones may get a good share of the market. And Sony seems to go in that direction. Hopefully.
[Sony Xperia M2] AUDI97:
i hope they bring 5.1 to non-LTE variant too
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
It won't get marshmallow, pretty sure of that

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[Sony Xperia M2] 31fahmi:
Don't be serious man i just kidding to you all
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
Amy news on the grapevine regarding the update anyone

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[Sony Xperia M2] rafix96:
Oh, C'mon if update come, then anybody write this.. sony never release big update in weekend.
[Sony Xperia M2] 31fahmi:
Just live you life, then update will release as soon as you don't ever know and as soon as you expected before
[Sony Xperia M2] lordttf:
In 2017

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[Sony Xperia M2] xpm2:
can lollipop arrive this week?
[Sony Xperia M2] linuxct:
It should, remember that Three IR said it should arrive by the end of this week. (Friday?)

And maybe non-carrier ftf arrive even before.
[Sony Xperia M2] lordttf:
i hope so
[Sony Xperia M2] francoivan:
I have a big question: It's better to update through OTA or PC Companion?
[Sony Xperia M2] :
PC (my opinion)
[Sony Xperia M2] hitmanle016:
Why sony dont tell us why update its gonna late. If you remember its have to be in July... Its be nice to have wich date its update be on OTA.
[Sony Xperia M2] SpectreXM8:
Sony never said anything about July. They said we will get it after Z1/Z and the T2 Ultra series has been updated, which happend only some time ago. They said updates will start in July with the Z3/2
[Sony Xperia M2] obsidian_eclipse:
It shouldn't really matter too much. The ota update will download a rom file and reboot to recovery and initiate the install (backing up the necessary files and then integrating after the rom image is restored to the phone).
[Sony Xperia M2] lordttf:
Better is flash tft from scratch

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[Sony Xperia M2] Billys20:
It's better to update through OTA or PC Companion?

Flash from ftf file I think is the best because it will clean userdata, system, and kernel.
[Sony Xperia M2] aidy.lucas:
It will do all that updating via Sony's PCC, I think with it being a big update and the change from dalvik to art it will be a pc only update unless you flash the ftf via flashtool yourself

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[Sony Xperia M2] lordttf:
Is better clean update in Portugal lollipop is a so very problematic

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[Sony Xperia M2] masakrator1992:
There's new version of xperifirm, including URLs of new Sony ftf servers. I think that's why same updates didn't appear there.
[Sony Xperia M2] xpm2:
Lollipop came out??
[Sony Xperia M2] rafix96:
No.
[Sony Xperia M2] :
No Sir.
[Sony Xperia M2] 31fahmi:
I bet to you all it will come at 1st October