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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mbarrett03@gmail.com:
Wow, not sure where to begin

Actually, the first problem to occur was that the droid turbo didn't support simultaneous voice and mobile data. This of course was corrected with a volte patch, which causes the second issue: disproportionately crummy call quality in areas with low 4g signal and large # of dropped calls. Which leads us to the current problem whereby an update to 5.1 which provides native volte support in addition to the network's Qualcomm changes to alleviate the volte problems is ostensibly delayed. Of course, it's discouraging when the carrier flagship phone of 2014 has been lapped by the Samsung Galaxy S4 which got it's lollipop update already. I had the GS4, great phone, so was the G3. Not looking for cutting edge here, just fix the volte problems please, and soon.

Really?? Who are they - i'd settle for a position and company name.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Moto X 2014, Nexus 6, etc.

Nope.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
VoLTE issues were fixed as much as the network tech and hardware allows many months ago.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rgerrans:
For me, it's still pretty unusable even with the "fixes" in place. I try it out about once a month and always have to go back due to poor call quality (primarily choppy calls and still being delayed to pickup and misses the first couple seconds of the other person).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
That's v 1.0 tech for you. First gen LTE was abysmal too. Its not the phone; my Nexus 6 sounds a bit better, but the drops and delays are still common place even in strong signal areas.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TechSavvy2:
Position? Do you seem to think its a single person in charge of it? I'm assuming you're not really THAT clueless....

<insert ANY OEM here> builds the update, tests it, fixes etc.

Delivers the update to <name of ANY carrier here>

Carrier tests update internally, pushes fixes / suggestions back to OEM

Oem updates software more, tests more

OEM pushes new build back to Carrier

(repeat these steps OVER AND OVER AND OVER until carrier is satisfied with build quality)

Once carrier has a build they are satisfied with, they push soak test to some via OTA update.

Carrier / OEM watch for public feedback on soak test <hence why you see some OTAs get released, then halted right in their tracks, soak did NOT go as expected.

Otherwise, if soak was good, then carrier rolls OTA out in waves.

EVERY carrier, and EVERY OEM do this at this point. Even your beloved Apple you mention. I thought this was just common knowledge at this point?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GolfOX:
Thanks for the info adrynalyne. Guess a N6 would not help me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Not every oem does public soak test.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pknath19:
Here is some info from Android Central

http://www.androidcentral.com/droid...te-still-test-lab-cycle-no-release-date-still
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] streebs87:
The only issue I've been having with my phone is the back capacitive button stops working from time to time no matter what app I'm using. Still very eager to be on Lollipop though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rgerrans:
Agree, had an early LTE as well. Though at least the first gen LTE's kept 3G for backup. Would have been nice if they had put in the extra antenna so we could get simultaneous voice/data on analog while they work out the VOLTE issues.....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] renegadeone8:
There is no analog anymore even 1x is digital. I don't know all the technical stuff but I am guessing that a handoff from LTE to CDMA is tougher than an LTE to GSM handoff like ATT would offer
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Not harder, just impossible. They are dissimilar network technologies.

LTE is a GSM tech.

Similarly, digital could not hand off to analog.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...k2H0NKvFtV0naFuJw&sig2=1As810u6AoKUaVEkUZb_MQ

WHAT IN THE WORLD!!!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] seshaz:
Lol this seriously pissed me off more than the shenanigans with the actual date
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Same here! Verizon is taunting us all turbo users as if it were a sport now after it being 6 or so months of lollipop release throughout the whole android spectrum
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
This was on the motorola forums earlier. I sent this to droid life a few hours ago. I appreciated the tip acknowledgement by them by the way which they never do. Notice it wasn't on any other page. I told my wife the Turbo is hers when the new nexus line comes out. Yea what a kick in the balls huh?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JTH182:
I still don't get why they'd go with white menus with an OLED screen. It'd be nice if they gave the option for dark menus.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
Gotta wait until Android M for that lmao
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Not all phones are AMOLED...Motorola uses mostly stock and doesn't theme it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JTH182:
I realize that, but it's still a stupid choice not to have the option for dark menus on any of these phones.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Valid opinion.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] greatnesstx:
I bought this mainly because I like boring old stock. Hate all the skins they put on a phone. Vanilla Android is the best my opinion
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] trikotret:
I was disappointed when I saw white. Black matches more with droid skin.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
If Motorola didn't theme before on Kitkat, why would they for Lollipop?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] meskes:
Exactly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Onismurai:
I think they don't care. The power of Android and open source give power customization. Not to mention with exposed you can nearly do everything. My only concern is if MOFO can work the same way as it did if we update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
So what date is the end of the world lollipop release now?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
All we know for sure is they plan to release it before Christmas.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
Fixed that for you, just to be safe.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] KevTN:
I have filed a complaint with the FCC stating that Verizon has knowingly and purposely manipulating the their product market for their gains. That it was implied and confirmed by their employees that the droid turbo would receive regular updates and be kept up to date on all software. That Android ver 5.0 or later was promised by the end of 2014 by Verizon employees and implied by direct and indirect marketing by corporate Verizon.. Phones that have been released after the turbo have been updated to Android 5.x. That hundreds if not thousand of turbo owners have attempted to gain information from Verizon and Motorola without any meaningful communications from either company.

I also threw in that due to this marketing tatic had a direct decision on the majority of those who purchased this product that it should be replaced by an updated phone thereof. (Yeah i know that wont ever happen) but the FCC for the most part follows up on complaints and the more the better.

Ok back to the regularly scheduled program......click
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
I thought such a complaint would be filed with the Federal Trade Commission? Good luck, btw.. I can't see this getting too far off the ground but I'm the eternal pessimist :) but I do appreciate the effort! I never would have thought to file such a complaint
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Skrilax_CZ:
btw. what happens with "fastboot oem wptest disable"?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
fastboot oem wptest disable
...
(bootloader) command restricted
FAILED (remote failure)
finished. total time: 0.001s
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
Is that when the phone goes into EoL?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
It must be close. Imagine if verizon had a feature where you could use prerelease software if you opted into it. But then again, this is verizon we're talking about
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Skrilax_CZ:
No oversight there then.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Verizon release test for 5.1, but in website
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ankurcshah:
Lnik?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Javiggan69:
He is talking about the simulator on the Verizon website. They updated it via OTA.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/motorola-droid-turbo/simulator/?null only test in site
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] nils39:
The only way I could forgive Verizon and Motorola is if they give us the ability to root our phones and if they unlock our boot loader! What about you guys?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Murd0c:
Knowing verizon, that would never happen.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Phobophobia:
A quick update to M when it comes out would go a long way toward making amends. Motorola's been really good about software updates for the 2013 X and later, except for 5.0/5.1 on a few phones. If they get back on track after finishing the 5.1 rollout, I might look at getting another Motorola phone in the future.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
I don't want to burst your bubble, but given the lack of caring Motorola has shown towards updating the Turbo already, I'd say when it's already a year old or more, it's going to slip even further down their list of phones to prioritize upgrading... look at the Droid Maxx, also still on 4.4.4 and not a word from Moto at all.. We'll probably get M, but I'd think it would be staggeringly late, even more so than 5.1. I think it's going to be a Nexus device for me next upgrade.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
We can dream at least.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Phobophobia:
I'm counting the Droid Maxx, Droid Mini, Droid Ultra, and 2013 X as the same phone since they're identical internally, i.e. only one data point about about Moto's recent update habits (rather than four separate phones that are worth getting angry about). The unlocked 2013 X is only just getting 5.1, so as long as they update the Droids soon after the Verizon X gets the update, I'm not going to hold the Droids against them separately. (That said, the situation for X8-based phones is really appalling -- I sold my S4 to buy a 2013 X after six months partially because the almost-stock OS would lead to quicker updates... And now it's the last 2013 flagship to get 5.x.)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
Well, consider that the Turbo and the 2014 X are somewhat similar internally, similar to the 2013 droids and the 2013 x... and one of my family members owns a 2014 x that's been on 5.x for several months now.

I really don't mean to be a pessimist, but that's the trend Moto has been following with updating their phones.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
I'm really hoping that it comes soon. As for the 2013 line though, I really don't know. It doesn't feel like it's coming anytime soon if at all. They might do like a discount program if it doesn't like they did with that one phone on AT&T
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Phobophobia:
They actually have substantially different hardware (S801/2GB vs S805/3GB and all the other differences that go along with that, plus different cameras, etc). The Turbo is closest to the N6, but Google has a lot of influence on the N6's updates, rather than it being just Motorola.

I'm holding out hope that the delay is with getting Verizon's VoLTE working with the built-in implementation in 5.1 (which would explain why the 2014 X was so much quicker), and that this is a one-time thing. since they'll be able to use whatever the solution is on future updates -- as a result, I'll wait until M to make my final judgement, but Motorola's going to have to work hard to keep me as a customer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
I still think once our phones do reach 5.1, development for further updates would be easier, since the hardest part was just getting lollipop working correctly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Galaxo60:
The harder part is not Lollipop itself, because it is already working in the Maxx; the hardest part in the Droid Turbo I think is to integrate the Verizon crapware and that's why they are delaying so much.

:mad:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
That's what I meant!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Martingitdave:
Well, I am holding out hope for Lollipop this week. Seems like all signs are pointing to 5.1 very soon. However, I suspect, that after all this wait, the release will be bit anticlimactic.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] reggie14:
Well, Ruddock clearly had decent info from someone at Motorola or Verizon. But, David Schuster's Google+ comment makes me thing we have at least a few weeks to go before a broad release. I don't think David would have said what he said if he was convinced the release- or even a soak test- was a week away. Motorola has been more open recently about soak tests, and Verizon sometimes announces an OTA update when soak tests begin (at least, they definitely did that with one of the 2013 Droid updates).

I don't believe Ruddock that VZW and Motorola aren't planning a soak. I think he just got too caught up with his own rumor when he made that comment. I think there will be a soak, and I bet it will be a relatively long one (i.e., more than a few days) even if no problems are immediately uncovered. Or, at least, I think OTAs will go out relatively slowly after the update is approved.

Soak invites aren't out yet. We probably won't see those for another week or two. So, the soak is probably 2-3 weeks out, with the full release starting sometime mid-to-late July. That's assuming, of course, that there isn't a problem during the soak. Problems can hold things up for months.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Looks like android M will be out before this update is. Unfortunate and disappointing at best.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Steve-x:
I wouldn't doubt this release was further delayed by the rather urgent patch Motorola has been applying to nearly every phone they have sold the last two years. It has got to have taken up a lot of time that was unplanned.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
You mean the 911 patch?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Steve-x:
Yes, the no audio on emergency calls. They have patched a lot of builds so far, if they are doing them all it is probably into the hundreds.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Did anyone else see that verizon DOWNGRADED the simulator back down to kitkat? This is preposterous
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
looks like lollipop to me still. but i stopped caring about lollipop long ago. i am waiting for my vcontract to expire to get a new phone. itis almost 1 year down the road.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Same here. I'm on the edge program but don't want to pay up to upgrade.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Verizon: "Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along."
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
That made me laugh a little
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Murd0c:
I think it's safe to say that the "Flagship" Motorola Droid Turbo has died an unofficial death.

RIP Turbo

2014-2015

But for real though, the WiFi bug is getting more annoying everyday I use the phone. Hopefully lollipop fixes that bug and comes soon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PittAussie:
Now with this Samsung security flaw coming to public light , carriers are going to be scrambling to push updates for that. That one is a pretty big hole.

Wonder if Motorola has a similar bug, then it can be exploited for root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Not likely as it comes with just the stock android keyboard.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
What wifi bug? I have heard complaints about the wifi but what is the bug?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gibosn6594:
First and Second gen Moto X getting 5.1.1. I mean come on now...are we just getting messed with at this point?

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/06/1...for-moto-x-1st-and-2nd-gen-in-select-markets/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Slartibartfast_:
What wifi bug are you referring to? For me, it's mediocre wifi reception and that when I'm on wifi, initiating a new connection to anything takes several extra seconds. So if I open the browser right now and type any address, it will stay blank for a few seconds before starting to retrieve the page. If I open a game that depends on network like CoC or Boom Beach, the loading bar stays at 0 for a good few seconds before it starts filling up. Play store and Relay for Reddit are the same, several seconds before I get anything. I don't see it on my wife's G3 on the same wifi network.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] seshaz:
Thought the security flaw was mainly to do with swiftkey?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
times im glad i still use better keyboard 8. lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Nope. Samsung's implementation of Swiftkey tech.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] seshaz:
Oh OK, just saw a post didn't really read it. Thanks
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Can someone explain the turbo wifi bug to me? I'm rather confused as to what the problem is
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] streebs87:
I'm not completely sure of the bug either, but all I know it WiFi is usually pretty crappy on my phone. Never ever a full signal.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Mine's always full signal on 2.4ghz but never 5. I suspect that has more to do with wall penetration since my router is a floor away
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
Mine does this thing where it'll work great, and then every once in a while it just stops responding for like 30 seconds, and then starts working again.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
I got this bug that every time i press this one button it comes up with a your software is up to date.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Wow, me too. I guess it's pretty common
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnwaug:
Same here. I know that really can't be right. We are about to be two version behind the newest software.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
I limit all my Android devices to 2.4HGhz anyway. I've always had issues with 5GHz, so I force everything onto 2.4GHz to get a better signal no matter where I am.

When I had a dual band router, I just disabled the 5GHz transmitter. I soon went back to 2.4GHz single band.

But on our phones and tablets, I select "2.4GHz only" in advanced settings. So, when I'm at work or other places, I get a stronger signal.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
I try to use 5GHz when possible, because for some reason, unless I use wireless AC, I get speeds of around 20mbps instead of the 100mbps I get over AC and ethernet
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
I might make a shopping list using Google keep tonight.

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
This comment seems a bit misplaced. The thread is discussing software updates for the droid turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
No sir, not the last one or two pages.

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Because June 10 has long come and gone. ;)

Now waiting for July 10 or even August 10...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JTH182:
Looks like that comment was out of place, but since we're off topic... anyone else notice "clock" was updated for Lollipop?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
I saw it was updated. I didn't care as to why though
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
No, that was just its first release to the app store.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Shtiff1:
They forgot to put the year 2016
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
Gotta say...this is a BAD look for Moto as the first flagship device under the Lenovo brand...there is NO reason that such a near vanilla version of Android should not be the first non-nexus device to get updates...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SquireSCA:
Especially when the differences between the Turbo and the Moto Nexus 6 are so minimal...

Most of the parts are the same, installing a new driver for the antenna shouldn't take half a year...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
Quite true. It's sad how much time this is taking, partly because of verizon, partly because of Motorola. If there was a smaller nexus 6 available to me (perhaps the xt1250) i would have bought it in a heartbeat
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
Gotta say, I don't really blame VZW all that much...having been a part of the Motorola ecosystem going back to the Droid X...I know how buggy builds can be as we used to get leaked builds back then all the time...

If VZW finds something wrong with a build, its not their fault...and adding VZW apk's really shouldn't be a big deal for professional developers...

This really comes down to Moto unfortunately...and considering how fast they were with the Droid Maxx (while under Google)...I've got to think the vast majority of this problem lies in the Lenovo take over...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] windoge89:
It'll be sad if Motorola dies because of this takeover. Motorola was one of my favorite companies until recently
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
I doubt it. I think it's more of a 50-50 split on the issues. Supposedly there are issues with the AC integration, but also verizon is probably setting a ridiculous bar for the device being that it is a Droid. Keep in mind that a ton of other devices have already gotten lollipop on the network, so you would think that this one could be built with no issue. I think that might be a moto problem.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
The Droid Maxx had zero issues being first with updates...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I disagree. If it was a Moto shortcoming, then the Maxx wouldn't have Lollipop either.

Their overall slowness can be attributed to Lenovo but this is an extreme case.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
http://en.yibada.com/articles/40376...g-smartphone-to-jump-to-android-m-instead.htm

I don't know the reliability of this source.

Original post came from https://plus.google.com/109700687374735204473/posts/aBA9pRtDXXf

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
The Droid Maxx (2013) does not have lollipop...the Moto Maxx does...but the Droid Maxx was always the first to get the updates...but that was when Google ran the show...

It's not VZW's fault if Moto can't deliver a quality build of Android...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Who is talking about the Droid Maxx though? I'm talking about this phone as the gsm variant.

The Moto Maxx. It has had Lollipop for many months.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
I AM...The Droid Maxx was the last flagship Moto phone released while owned by Google...and that phone was always right at the top of the list as far as receiving updates goes...

I'm using it as evidence to show that VZW had no issue pushing out updates to their Droid phones prior to the Lenovo take over...now that Lenovo has taken over...updates have come to a screeching halt...