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[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
Yes it would delay the update as they search for a way to turn on a promised update item that may or may not be impossible to deliver.

Your flippant comment on my choice to purchase the Urbane is the mark of a child, and a fanboy. The 360 was built to a sub par standard - I have already had to exchange one so far due to the back cracking to pieces under light wear. The second replacement is not far behind. The watch absolutely should be recalled at this point, simply due to the materials failure in the back and wrist strap lugs tearing through the plastic and then making the watch unwearable due to the strap no longer being possible to connect to the watch. Plastic was the wrong choice for the mounting point for the strap. I understand the back must be plastic to allow wireless charging, but that does NOT extend to the mounting points which should always be of a stronger material.

In addition, if the watch is unable - FOR WHATEVER REASON - to be updated to 5.1.1 then it is in fact DEFECTIVE. This update has reached EVERY OTHER WATCH and I pointedly believe that there is some fatal flaw preventing the update, which the engineers at Motorola may very well be unable to fix. At that point I will open a complaint with the relevant federal agencies to seek a full refund of my purchase price or a replacent with the updated version at no cost to me.

Either way, I was a stark moto 360 supporter but I am seriously beginning to lose faith in the company and their product. Severe design flaws as well as an apparent fatal flaw preventing the update from being applied to the watch will be the final straw. Was that detailed enough for you, or will you have another flippant and childish remark to share after reading my explanation?

Edit; this does not even mention the issue of the massive discounts currently available that are a kick to the teeth of early purchasers. Obviously, Motorola is trying their absolute hardest to dump their inventory and wash their hands of the 360v1. Why? I will leave that to you. My opinion is clear; the watch is fatally flawed.
[Moto 360] pacificwing:
I agree.

I got a 360 to replace a broken Pebble Steel and I'm very disappointed with it. Make no mistake, I like the Android Wear idea, but this particular watch is not worth it's weight in belly-button lint.

Battery life is appalling. Now finding out that the processor might not have enough horsepower to carry future updates...

I've read through the battery threads. Its the usual combination of people making outrageous claims (35+ hours), the folks who say its acceptable if you turn everything off and hardly use the watch, and the folks to can't get it to last a full day not matter what they do. How this watch even made it out the door and onto shelves is beyond me. What were they thinking? A 4 year old processor, a crappy battery, and a LED screen that drains the whole screen worth of power even if only one pixel is lit up.

WTF did they think was going to happen?

What really annoys me is that I can't keep the watch on all the time. I get that there is a tilt function that only works if I'm standing completely upright and lift my whole arm in front of my face like a robot. If I'm reclining in bed and my arm is out to the side, the I can't get the damn thing to turn on no matter how hard I shake my wrist.

I've mentioned this on other threads and have been told to try resetting, stripping apps, rebooting, updating, up, up, down, down, select, start and a bunch of other bottom-teir bull**** troubleshooting steps. I didn't spend hundreds of dollars on a watch to spend this much time troubleshooting problems that wouldn't exist if Motorolla had pulled their heads out of their asses and decided not to use half-a-decade old hardware.

There is one troubleshooting step that solves all the problems very quickly. Take the watch back to the store and get something that actually works properly. It might cost $50 more but it will be a much better product.
[Moto 360] JeffMD:
Uhmm, patchs can't modify the hardware. If there is no antenna hooked up, nothing in a patch is going to fix this. Ever.

And you are just an idiot. How long have I been coming to this board? How many post here do you see from me? I just got the watch, it is my first android wear watch. That is not the mark of a fanboy. I simply implied that the urban is still what I would consider a first generation watch. It didn't do anything to raise the processor used, it didn't double the resolution, and it didn't increase battery life by any large margin. A very incremental update.

clearly a big design flaw, the plastic lips are just asking to break off and I intend to dremel them off myself, but that is not what this thread is about.

Now who is being the child? Do you know how silly this sounds? This would be like saying every phone that does not get updates is defective, and any PC who cannot run the latest windows is defective. Your complaining won't get you far, and whining weeks after the update was released shows you should be no where near something that has a functioning operating system. It is still WAY to early to count the update out. At worst, the update will come out missing wifi, or what ever component is causing the biggest issue. Happens in android all the time.

I think you stopped being a "stark" moto 360 supporter a while ago, and this is just another frustration that you have had with the watch since getting it. And it is understandable, it is a first gen device, android wear is still early in its life span and it is currently getting upgrades in the same hardware generation so it isn't like it is getting better hardware to work with. Patience is key.
[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
Literally the only thing I disagree with in your post is battery life. Everything else i completely agree.

I get two days battery life, but the caveat is that I don't use ambient screen, I don't use the watch for every little thing and every text message response, and I rarely use GPS navigation when in my home town.

If I were to use the watch differently, or use ambient screen, I would not get one full day out of the battery. I have tried, and my pattern of usage is the only way i can get the battery life that i get from the watch.

Those are concessions I am willing to make as I understand the battery is limited. I am not willing to make ANY other concessions. This is getting to be ridiculous, and eventually if they fail to push the 5.1.1 update with WiFi then we need to band together to demand a recall.

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Your tone is funny, I would take offense if you didn't have such trouble spelling simple words.

You agree that the watch could be considered defective due to the complaints about the plastic mounting hardware, yet you say I am childish for demanding a recall and refund/updated replacement from Motorola? Your priorities are clearly as flawed as the watch.

At the price point we early purchasers paid, patience is absolutely NOT a virtue. Demanding concessions to recoup a loss due to a faulty design is not childish - this is how recalls work, a device is found to have a fatal flaw and is recalled or replaced. I think you also are angry about their failures but are not willing to admit we have all basically been lied to and ripped off. When my wrist strap is literally shattering the back and tearing out of the watch to make it unwearable under LIGHT WEAR, the watch is defective and needs recalled and replaced. Period.
[Moto 360] JeffMD:
I'm coming from pebble as well, so far i'm happy. I miss my 7 days of battery life but the watch hasn't died on me in a day yet. Again though, this is android were talking about here. There are phones that go YEARS before they get an update, most of them never do. This isn't apple with its drop in updates for all devices. Why did you think this would change?

You say all this, but the situation does not change much when you use a modern processor (well.. the 400 snapdragon, I only call it modern cause budget phones are using the same varient of it. It is a bit long in the tooth now) and OLED screens. The other watches that do just that are still suffering from 24 hour battery life, screens that arn't perfect, and a processor that is nothing special.

I totally miss my flick to light up motion the pebble uses. ^^ However if you bought the watch thinking it would be on all the time, you were seriously misinformed.

#firstworldproblems yo. Seriously this is still a first generation android watch. You clearly expected to much.
[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
You clearly are A-OK with being ripped off. That's fine! That's OK! Not everyone is as passive as you. Sorry to be the person that has to break that news to you. I don't think your posts are very constructive to this discussion, as you have not refuted a single point made, just offered passive responses to fatal flaws in the device.

In addition, the "#firstworldproblems yo" comment is out of line, and distasteful in the tone and topic of discussion. Please take your childish remarks elsewhere, they aren't desired or welcome.
[Moto 360] JeffMD:
Oh lord what ever shall we do, I missed 2 words!! Will you have it in your heart to forgive me? I was just trying to make sure I got my quotes opened and closed properly. -_-

In a way, yes, I think the plastic lips on the back are recall worthy and should have been revised out. It is not a matter if if they break but when. It does seem Motorola is replacing them with little issue for the moment though, but who wants to keep doing that? What I disagree with is considering a product defective and recall worthy just because it didn't get a new software update. That is just silly.

Aaaand that is where you are..well..mostly wrong. No one likes paying lots of money (or any money) for something that does not suit their expectations. However anyone who did even a little research on smartwatches and android wear knew that going in, the software was in its infancy and who knows what could come out in the future. Google definitely didn't promise anything.

If you want something guaranteed to work the way you want it too all the time... just buy a normal watch.

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I paid the same amount for my moto360 as I did my pebble. I researched them both heavily before making my purchase and knew what I was getting into. You clearly expected more without doing your research.
[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
I expected promised points to be delivered. Battery life was promised to last a day, without us intentionally altering our pattern of use to extend the limited battery.

At launch time, there were no other comparable options and to imply otherwise is disingenuous at best. The only comparable option was the Samsung watch which did not work with non Samsung phones at launch.

Edit: we also had every right to assume that the watch wouldn't literally fall apart just by being worn as advertised. I know you agree with that point but I can't say enough - no other watches are falling apart on wrists.

There were also exactly ZERO round watches available at launch. So there were no other options, period.

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L. M. F. A. O.

We shouldn't expect it to work all the time. OK.

That's everything we needed to hear, right there. I'm done here.
[Moto 360] xdapao3:
Who told you "to try resetting, stripping apps, rebooting" etc?

That is BY DESIGN (it's what I called "fake" Ambient mode a few posts ago) to try to cope with its pitiful battery life and it's a big bother of mine too...
[Moto 360] Hendrycks:
I got the Moto 360 for $150...the Urbane is $399 plus tax in Canada. There's no comparison to be had. I get to try out Android Wear and have a watch that tells time and gets notifications for less than half the Urbane which ifixit has proved is the same internals as the G Watch R for a premium price - it even pretends it has two mics but only actually has one.

Android Wear only moves as fast as Google releases updates, the watches so far are pretty well all the same except for looks. Getting 7 days of battery life or 7 years makes no difference to me as every other device I own has always needed to be charged every day anyways. The pixel density on such a small screen is hardly a difference and for more than double the price of the moto 360's sale atm you can't complain just because it doesn't get 1 update as fast as you'd like.
[Moto 360] xdapao3:
...and those internals are some of the best to have right now, as far as Android Wear smartwatches go (the display especially). Which is NOT the case with the Moto 360.

I wouldn' say so. Some have Wi-fi, some have not.. Some have GPS, some have not.. Some have decent sized batteries, some have not.. Some have P-OLED displays, some have not...

I would agree if it lasted at least a REAL FULL DAY "no matter what" (my G Watch does).

I can't speak for the others but personally the issue here is that EVERY OTHER Wear smartwatch has got the update and the Moto 360 is the ONLY one still waiting for it!! (and with very worrying news which make one think that the update is still a way from being ready...)
[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
To clarify, the update is just the icing on the sandwich. I am angry about being on my second replacement watch that is falling apart again. I don't let my watch bump into things, there's nothing wrong with it physically except the disintegrating back and strap mounting points. When I say that I mean the points where the spring bar snap into the watch body are breaking out and making straps fall off.

So...

Imagine if I had my hand out the car window when it decides to pop off. Imagine if it falls off while im walking on the street and bounces into a sewer. Im not at fault, the watch is faulty, but Motorola isn't going to warranty it for me in that situation with the watch being completely GONE. That's a huge worry of mine, luckily its only fallen apart once and indoors.
[Moto 360] Hendrycks:
I guess it must be frustrating for you but personally I knew going in that it had the TI processor which obviously comes with downsides. It's also cheaper (so there's a reason for that). To me it's like looking at a BMW and saying it has leather heated seats and a heated steering wheel and complaining that a used Chevy Cobalt that you got for $8k doesn't have those features.. It's still a car, still drives fine and gets you point A to B, but obviously it'll have some downsides compared to the competition. It's not like the outdated processor was a surprise to everyone, we all knew it was there to start with.

I love getting updates for my devices and I strongly debated waiting for the 2nd gen 360 as I knew about the outdated parts of the 360 but for $150 I can't complain. Buy a $100 Android tablet and compare it to an iPad, it's night and day but to me paying over $400 for a watch that just displays like "hey, you have a text" is crazy.
[Moto 360] slaydog:
You should just return the watch under warranty for a refund, and those that are happy with it should keep it...

I think it's just barely acceptable, but I wouldn't if it was actually broken, so I feel your pain...

I feel that mine doesn't function the way I want it to, but it's still useful enough to make it worth keeping until a better one comes out.
[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
How would I go about getting a refund at this point? I bought shortly after launch day. My only option is to continue getting replacements from Motorola. How long will they even keep honoring them, anyway?
[Moto 360] jagoyl:
I use it to control the music in my vehicle, check the time & weather and listen to music FROM it (just keep a handful of albums on it for BT in other people's houses/rides)

That's moderate use, in my mind.

"Android Wear Gopro Remote" in google a few months ago brought me to this XDA thread:

http://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/app-android-wear-gopro-remote-t2979441 ;)
[Moto 360] xdapao3:
I bought my Moto 360 less than a month ago and all of its pitfalls were long very well known. I was not surprised nor frustrated by anything. The ONE thing I am now pissed off by it's a NEW development which 1 month ago (and until few days ago) nobody could possibly expect: the Moto 360 is the ONLY Wear smartwatch which has not yet received the 5.1.1 update in any form (I mean they could hold off some "problematic" features while "working with Google" on them and at least give us the features which don't pose a problem for the Moto 360's old CPU and small battery) and from what we have recently heard from Motorola it may take quite a while yet.

BTW, I paid € 199 from Amazon for it, no specials on the Moto 360 in Italy (it's still € 249 on the Play Store) while last Christmas I paid just € 100 for the LG G Watch (which has long got the 5.1.1 update), taking advantage of a Google Play Store special offer.
[Moto 360] Magnum_Enforcer:
Thread cleaned. Please stick to the topic at hand, and abide by the forum rules that everyone agreed to when you made your account here on XDA. If you need to refresh your memory as to what those rules are, I've included a link below.

http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?f=3304

Cheers

Magnum_Enforcer

FSM
[Moto 360] erikiksaz:
I'm thinking it's more of a Google issue than a Motorola one. Even though the 360 processor is old, it's not like it has the chip of a graphing calculator. It is the same chip used to power the droid 2, which was a smartphone that could browse the internet, navigate w/ gps, and play 3d games.

If moto is having trouble running a an operating system that is displaying AT MOST a handful of white, mostly blank, non-3d cards, then its up to google to optimize their Android Wear OS.

One similar analogy is like the first-person shooter called Titanfall. It was designed with the xbox one in mind, and it ran at less than 1fps when it was directly ported to the xbox 360. The devs had to completely deconstruct the game and remove all the excess to get it to run smoothly on the dated hardware.

If they can break 30fps with a complex shooter like Titanfall on the 360, I think Google can tackle AW. It seriously can't require a quad core processor to work.
[Moto 360] blacklistedcard:
The biggest benefit so far was moving to art on the watch and the new java compiler that google came out with for lollipop.
[Moto 360] slaydog:
According to Moto's warranty:

"Motorola, at its option, will at no charge repair, replace or refund the purchase price of any Products, Accessories or Software..."

So I guess it's up to them. I would call them and let them know what your preference is, and that you will just continue to return them until the year is up if they don't refund your money...

Worth a shot...

https://motorola-global-portal.cust...2LzEvdGltZS8xNDMzODEyMDgzL3NpZC9UV1F0WnBvbQ==
[Moto 360] fwayfarer:
I appreciate the quote, I didn't know they are only obligated to one year. I'll have bought a new watch by then, and not another 360 unfortunately. Maybe if the updated version is vetted out by the community first I would consider it.

Otherwise that's basically my plan, keep returning them until they turn me away, then probably file a complaint just because they shouldn't be marketing this still with fatal physical design flaws.
[Moto 360] Armazia:
This is what I think!

An example to use for me is an old Galaxy S1; it has a 1.4 gHz qualcomm processor and yet kinda makes up with performance if you mod it a bit(Stock android runs superb on any android device imo, even an HTC HD2), and now in these days I have a note 4 with a quadcore snapdragon 805 which can't even run touchwiz lagless.

I think the problems will get solved, google just needs some time for it, as android wear is still in a first fase.
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
Wow I can't believe the Apple watch got WiFi before we did...

I'm really starting to think about warranty replacement and selling this undersupported yet beautiful watch. Without proper updates it's just a joke now.
[Moto 360] n00bpwner:
it will be here in the coming weeks!!
[Moto 360] j3ffm1ll:
yea maybe sometime in the 52 coming weeks lol:laugh:
[Moto 360] spencer311:
I work 12 hour days, almost 60 hours a week actually...
[Moto 360] JeffMD:
Oh no it doesn't have wifi, a feature which was NEVER ADVERTISED! I dunno what you guys plan on doing on wifi, but you better make it quick, did those apple fanbois happen to tell you how long their watch last on it? ;p
[Moto 360] aperry:
Never advertised? You mean "never before April 20th, 2015", right? The watch is still on sale, and this looks a lot like an advertisement and a promise: http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2015/04/moto-360-its-time-for-update.html
[Moto 360] xdapao3:
Again, I think the problem they are having is with battery life, not CPU performance...

I think that the new features (mostly, of course, Always On Apps and Wi-Fi) are degrading to unacceptable levels the already poor battery life.
[Moto 360] aperry:
It's funny that they promised the wifi and "always on" features without figuring out the battery life problem first. I mean, you don't have to be a genius to understand that battery life is the single biggest concern when adding these types of features to a watch like this.
[Moto 360] steve_bk:
LoL love all the posts and people thinking they will actually ever release the update for moto 360 V1.

It's a business at the end of the day and moto wants you to buy moto 360 V2. V1 will never get the wifi release.
[Moto 360] xdapao3:
So all of the other manufacturers (literally ALL of them minus Motorola) which do have released updates are not businesses and don't want you to buy their next model...

LOL indeed.
[Moto 360] crooved:
Just enjoy your watch...

Enviado desde mi LG-D855 mediante Tapatalk
[Moto 360] aperry:
Yes it's a business at the end of the day and apparently you believe their business plan is this:

1) Publicly announce the new update to get current owners all excited and to sell more V1 watches

2) Never deliver the update so all current owners can get burned and aggravated

3) Hope that current owners will invest more money with Motorola by buying the V2

You realize how ridiculous this sounds, right?
[Moto 360] Armazia:
Why are there so many people whining around? Be happy with what you got, I mean; now that motorola hasn't released the wifi update yet, or when they did release it and made you have a smartwatch that lasts half a day cause of the update, people would be whining anyway.. I am actually kinda relieved they got the problem and try to fix it before bringing it out(the sony smartwatch 3 had battery issues too). I actually know that motorola is putting effort into wifi and always on support, atleast they don't drop the watch and bring out the second generation. It is you who bought the watch and if you have put some effort in knowing what you bought, you would have known that the moto 360 just has a low budget processor.
[Moto 360] aperry:
The update has more than just wifi. There are several enhancements that people are anticipating. It's Motorola that understands the architecture better than anyone, and it's Motorola that promised this update within "weeks". No one is asking for anything that hasn't been explicitly promised.

Now that we're entering a timeframe easier measured in "months", I think people are justified to complain about a failed promise. Motorola shouldn't market this stuff before they have these major issues figured out.
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
Yeah I'm planning on getting the 360 2 but if Motorola can't release a little update, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence...
[Moto 360] n00bpwner:
i just got a samsung phone over a motorola due to their poor update schedule.
[Moto 360] instigator008:
That's a good one!
[Moto 360] PieOfJustice:
I have a Note 4 which is made by Samsung. I have no idea what an update is....
[Moto 360] n00bpwner:
well on verizon at least the note 4 has 5.0.1. whats the droid turbo running? ill give you a hint its made out of chocolate