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[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
You are the most petty person I have ever seen on this site. You are just immture. You cannot stand anyone having an opinion of their own. BTW, it is not good for anyone to auto updat anything. Regardless of the OS I am on I never ever auto update, o I coud care less what app stores do and do not auto update. It is very bad practice to auto update on any mobile OS. I am smart enough to read comments bout the latest updte for all apps befre I click the update button. Thats as far as I got in yur message, cause I refused to read anymore negativity from you. We all know you are the smartes wisest person on XDA, and we are sorry for having thoughts that are not the same as your thoughts. What should we call you from now on, cause its clear tht you re bette than anyone else on here. LOL

BTW, if you were smrt you would hve understood what I was saying. I was saying technology canges fast but everyone has the right or choice to use old or new technology without you being rude about it. yYour lfe must really suck fr yu too be worrying about what programs or forms of technology others are using. Worry aout what you do, cause contrary to what you think you cannot control what others do.

Also FTP is not the best choice for everyone, but its far from being obsolete. FTP is still widely used. You should take a clue from people that still use FTP, cause maybe you will understand that just because FTP is kinda slow, kinda unsecure and does not measure up to newer faster ways of transfering files, its still gets the job done. Nobody using FTP is doing anything wrong that should upset, and if it does upset you than thats your problem not mine. I am gonna go transfer a really large file right now using FTP and I promise to think about you while its being transfered. Toodles!
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
You are a character assassinating, belittling, emotional actor, that fakes technological knowledge to proclaim expertise - while simultaneously hurting popular interest in the process of doing so.

It is not a feat to become dependent on sub par service based solutions, because you sell out any understanding of processes to become a consumer in a service based economy. Its easy. Its convenient.

"What is a file system, cant I pay for a service that copys my data? With personal information, preferably."

Then lets end this, with coming to the understanding, that those are two fundamentally differing positions on how to use our electronic devices - that are hard to align even in the basics.

But the point still being, you are faking expertise - you are criticizing other views, not out of a factual understanding - you are using words you dont understand to assert meanings that are factually wrong - to promote a worldview where dependency is convenient.

And by the way - thank god, that we can break this down to this discussion - because, I see no value at all in having a fun poll of people who dont understand the specifics of what they are voting for. Thats why we provide context.

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FTP: https://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Character_Set

Second paragraph. I'm using the reference materials of software you are using.

You dont know what you are promoting. Plain an simple. No, FTP or not is not a question of religious attributions, its simply a very lousy lowest common denominator.

You would never come in contact with fundamentals - you are happy, juggling apps - thats part of our differences. So maybe dont hold fiery speeches why one should use one fundamental over another. Both work. I acknowledge that.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
You bviously have a problem, so I will not be responding to anymore of your comments. Please do not ever quote me again or write a comment based on not liking something I have said. You are harrassing me and I do not wish to converse with you. Please leave me alone. We have different opnions and you are getting mad for no reson. Do not ever contact me again.
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
You dont own my actions. You dont own my speech.

Also I have never contacted you in the past - I have participated in an open discussion in an open forum - where you chose to attack me on a personal level first.

Its important to me to make this very clear.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
Anyone, please tell me this guy isn't real and this is a joke, cause there is something off about this guy. This guy has been rude to everyone and responds to not liking peoples opinions/comments in the same manner a five year old would. Guess this is my first experience with a troll after being on here for 6 years I guess it was my turn to deal wth a troll. Guess I will just talk to my buddy who is a moderator and have his account deleted. Goodbye troll. Hope it was worth getting kicked off of xda
[Fire TV General] nosrral:
Hello,new to all this but with some reading,i have installed all the side apps I wanted thanks to the posts on here. I have tried both kodi and spmc ,for someone new i would recommend spmc nice and easy.Now for some more reading on how to add xbmcplex to my fire tv.
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
SPMC and Kodi - for the sake of using them on the Fire TV are EXACTLY the same. Those are not my words, those are the words of the SPMC developer. The only difference being, that he imports new code changes made to versions of Kodi that are still in development - EARLIER than they become a part of stable Kodi versions.

If you are new to Kodi based Media Centers, please do yourself a favor and stick to Kodi 14.2. Also - stop praising one Brand of Kodi over the other - they are all closely based on the very same (or close to very same) Kodi version. There arent even any visual differences (that arent tried out for a newer Kodi version, currently under development which you probably will experience when you install a new stable build in a few months). Also there arent any structural differences that should affect its performance on the FIre TV - one way or another.

Please - dont choose your Kodi "brand", because you like the name. Please dont believe that "one stutters more and the other one doesnt". Please. Be reasonable. Stick to the facts.
[Fire TV General] nosrral:
Thanks for the information,I will try to stick to the facts before I make any more observations.
[Fire TV General] jpeg42:
Take a chill pill, just block him, and move on with life.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
I should not have to block him or get him kicked off, both of which I would never do. I asked him to leave me alone and he should leave me alone. Its not my fault that people like you and him cannot stand it when people have a different opinion than yours. Don't mistake honesty and willingness to express all my opinion as being mean, cause there is a diference in being honest and being mean.

Get it right though, I never said I was reprting anyone. I said I would get his ccount deleted to f%$c with him, and look it worked.
[Fire TV General] Terry T:
nosral, PlexBMC can be pretty slick. On most skins, it acts like an addon, you just go to it like any other video addon and have access to your Plex sections. However, with the Amber skin in SPMC, if you go left on the home screen and choose Go Plex you switch to a Plex view: instead of XBMC sections on the home screen, you have your Plex sections, Plex channels, AND XBMC channels. My understanding is (I have my FireTV Sticks just on TV sound, so I can't test it) that this is the solution for robust surround sound from Plex on a FireTV. If you want to switch back to the XBMC view, you just go back to the home screen, go left again and choose Go XBMC.
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
Would someone care to enlighten me why anyone would use PLEX in combination with the Fire TV at all?

Right now my knowledge point stands at "I want themetunes while browsing and am unable to find the Kodi addon that this featureset in PLEX is based on" and "I dont care about the Plex policy to attune to company interests and selectively block addons based on plattforms alone - because corporate interests is really what I am praying for on a daily basis, eff the interests of the user" -- and I am very much wondering if most of you are actively choosing to put themselves into this gated community - which from my point of view resembles self inflicted prison, because they bought Apple products and are overwhelmed by too much choice (writing this on an Apple product myself - its the mindset I am criticizing).

Also, yes please I would like to pay to get hoodwinked by marketing in regards to the uniqueness or value of features ( https://plex.tv/features ).

Why are we even talking about PLEX at this point (in connection with the FIre TV)? Seriously - I have a problem grasping this, and this is AFTER I have used the software to "get it" in the past. What do you see in it? The "Top 10" shelfspace in you favorite app store, that was bought by selling out user interests? (Because the better media centers arent allowed to be published on certain app stores, due to corporate interests.) Is there anything I am missing.

Because I have lost trust in unreflected public opinion, if you havent figured this out, reading between the lines here.
[Fire TV General] porkenhimer:
I'll enlighten you, people use Plex because they can use any peogram they wish. Nobody cares what you don't like about Plex or why you hate it. If people wanna use Plex it should not effect you in the least.I do not use Plex, but not because its a bad program. You should know by now that most people will use something like Plex based on how cool others say it is, or if they are simply used to using it, so let em use it and if you don't like Plex don't use it. People use programs they like. I still use Yahoo messenger for video calls even though Skype is around and even over Facetime on my ipod touch. Yahoo Messenger gets the job done and I like it so I use it. Its like giving a car guy $50'000 and telling him to go out and buy any car he wants and he comes back in an old Dodge charger. He could've had two 2015 Chargers, but he would have rather had a fourty year old car. Let people do what they want. I am beyond positive that you use thing just because you are used to using them and even though they are outdated. Everyone uses things even though there are better newer things that they could be using.I still play tapes and CDs all the time even though I could just download it, I would rather have the hard copy. People are people and you can't change em, and you should never try to push your views on em. You don't like Plex, fine, but there is no need to talk down to other that do like it.

Plex is on the Fire TV because there are obviously people that want to use it. This may shock you, but there are a lot of people that prefer Plex over XBMC/Kodi. Its true and no matter what you do you cannot change that so let it go. Scientist just announced we are gonna run out of a lot of natural resources by 2050 and may not be able to feed even haf of the estimated 9 billion people living on Earth and your worried about who uses Plex.
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
See, you are mistaking my ambitions. If I want someone to explain to me concepts of marketing and misguided fashions - I might actually think about contacting you. For the first time.

But in essence - I'm looking for reasons to *stuff* what is perplexing me, and that is -- how can many people make decisions that are objectively harmful to them, when not provoked to, in any way.

There is no Apple Keynote equivalent that tricks them into using a worse solution, so why are they not only choosing it anyway - but then also start propagating those "emotional truths" as self evident.

Are they listening to the wrong people? Is there something I am missing.

I wasnt actually asking *if* (again, you offered no reason) people act irrationally and group driven in many cases. I wanted to know why in one specific, and quite important case (for this industry) people are failing to self correct.

You had your chance of running with the popular opinion in this thread, now I am taking mine. To see what it will bring.

And the working hypothesis here is not only "people dont know what they are promoting", it is also "people dont even know what they want, or what works, or what differentiates different solutions". They are going with a basic mob mentality of "what has my neighbor bought".

Now - this mentality is guided by what we call "first movers" or "opinion leaders". And when they entirely forsake their role and start going with brandnames themselves - because its "so much easier". We can arrive a this stage - everyone is fighting, teeth and nails, for the right to keep his opinion , true to his heart - but through to an entire thread -- touching on probably the most important question within this product generation (how can we use our living room devices the way we want, and not the way certain companies want to gate our behavior), I've found not one factual standing, or opinion.

So either grow up (now I'm using this metaphor myself), or leave - because this community doesnt need another individual telling it, that it is fine to slumber on, and use the apps provided ("by three different stores"). I'm making you up to be generation "service driven consumer". In your world we might have some choice, but no rights.

In my world we do - because we took the time to actually look at what we want. Now and in the long run.

I think this is an important conversation to be had. Because App Store based "polling and stars" decision systems dont provide that. At all.
[Fire TV General] Terry T:
Plex is a simple way to provide one library with watched status to multiple people on multiple devices and even outside my local network: it's a better fit in my household than any other media library/player software I have tried. I use other software as well, but Plex is my go-to for local media at my house.
[Fire TV General] nosrral:
Interesting post harlekinrains,for us that are using plex what would you recommend as a alternative.
[Fire TV General] Terry T:
Just to be clear, Plex the paid service adds functionality and features that aren't included in Plex the free service. Plex the free service on the other hand is still fully functional to manage your media and local and remote streaming of your media to multiple devices.

Regarding other solutions to manage one coordinated library to multiple devices, I'm aware of Emby (formerly Mediabrowser, which is another XBMC-spinoff quite similar to Plex, but with reduced capability) and Kodi/XBMC running MySQL in the background; there are probably others, but I'm not familiar with them. Realistically, I ran across Plex before either of the other solutions, 3-4 years ago, so it's what I use.

- With respect to Emby, I used it in parallel with Plex for about a year, but I've always been slightly disappointed in both the channel capability and the available media players vs. Plex so I don't use it anymore, but I review it again every few months to see how it has progressed.

- With respect to Kodi and MySQL, I've simply been too lazy to learn how to use MySQL and stuck with what I already had working. On Kodi's roadmap is to add server-type functionality, when that's available I intend to test drive it and see how it goes.

A couple of other key points for Plex:

1. Plex is set up at my house, where my family is, where I am not about 80% of the time (job travel), and it's probably 50% of my family's media consumption. In my experience, Plex is stable and essentially tech-support-free, implementation of another solution carries the risk that something will need to be "fixed" when I'm not around.

2. Plex is compatible with more media players than Emby or Kodi. I've recently upgraded a GoogleTV box to a FireTV Stick to increase capability, and a Windows 8.1 PC to a FireTV Stick for exactly the reason you stated regarding the annual cost of electricity, but I still have a Roku on the third TV which is only compatible with Kodi if you screen mirror from an Android phone or tablet, which I find to be an awkward solution.

On the other hand, when I'm not home I rarely use Plex. I'm not interested in paying for the data twice to stream from my home out to the Internet and down to where I am, so I generally use Kodi, Showbox, HD Cinema (before it went down), Mizuu and Mobdro.
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
ad 1: I call this the "Dumb satellite devices not needing fixing - because you only can consume with them" defense. As for being user serviceable - Id say all media center solutions we compare - are. At least for the smart device generation.

ad 2: This is again a view point that doesnt discriminate between "user access prevented by the manufacturer" and the price point for what is needed just dropped below the line where it still could be argued, that there would be a value proposition for buying devices "too dumb" for the media center fully function on them. Primarily sees them as positives, and argues from a stand point that is forever frozen, three months in the past.

Those two arguments are exact examples of what I don't buy and I find to be circumstantial and uninformed.

Its what I find appalling in the linked article as well.

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If you want to promote a world where you accept the "keep consumers uneducated, when they try to do something, they just break stuff" and "sell them a service on top of that, they dont know better" approach - you found your innovation driver in Plex.

Sell dad a home mediaserver that is 30000% more expensive than each individual solution

actually

needed (fully fledged home servers arent getting cheaper, because they are a fringe segment). Sell mom the subscription services that gate (some) access ([breaking character] thank you for lining out in detail how the Plex subscription service works) at an annual fee, and sell the children the underpowered terminal devices that are too dumb to do anything -- then call it "this is what the consumer wants". Oh, and make sure you tell dad, that he can control to a tee what his family is consuming, because that little tingling of the powertrip, and only dad having access to the "high horsepower" solution that drives everything, can be formulated out to a nice telephone marketing roadmap.

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Kodi meddling with the idea of including more "home server" functionality - is interesting/curious, but then again - how much do we want bookmark streaming, or better parental control?

Speaking from a position with the intent to provoke thought. I dont want to "take" anyones personal solution away from him/her.
[Fire TV General] jmerrilljr2:
All the problems with Plex/FireTV/Stick in one place:

https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/forum/105-google-tv-amazon-fire-tv/
[Fire TV General] harlekinrains:
I doubt that someone in the official Plex forums could openly talk about whats morally wrong and technically outdated with this companies concepting and product proposition. But thank you for the link.

Again - I'm all for it, when people start to think about the issues here.
[Fire TV General] Terry T:
We will have to agree to disagree. I value a known solution with which I have experience, so I'm relatively slow to change hardware and software.

You assume one coordinated library managed across multiple devices = parental control. I'm sure it does for some, but not for all: in a household of 6 people with 3 TVs, 6 iPads/iPhones/iPods and 8 laptops/desktops, the ability to watch half a show on TV2 and start back up at the same point 2 days later on iPod3 is a significant convenience.
[Fire TV General] jarayn:
That's the thing. Plex is easier to set up to a usable level. It's virtually effortless. On the other hand it has very few customization options and a very defined featur set and road map.

I personally find it a bit irritating in much the same way as I find virtually all apple products irritating. They assume that their way is right and they have no flexibility for change.

However I can really see how things like that appeal to people, literal plug and play.

As far as the supposed issue with privacy and whether or not they owe something to the original xbmc crew. I couldn't care less. There are way worse things to worry about.
[Fire TV General] psycon:
Kodi 15 beta 1 + Stalker 0.8
[Fire TV General] jmerrilljr2:
So you didn't read any posts?
[Fire TV General] steveron_dj:
TVMC here on firetv stick.
[Fire TV General] psycon:
1. Kodi is not XBMC.. the same way Windows 10 is not Windows XP.

2. SPMC playback is no better than Kodi if you set up Kodi properly for the device (disable iibstagefright acceleration for starters.)..

Just sayin....
[Fire TV General] jarayn:
why would you disable libstagefright??
[Fire TV General] psycon:
on mine it shows choppy video when video is playing and any element of the OSD is present.. (jsut installed kodi 15 beta 2,, maybe its fixed havent tested.)

edit: looks like Kodi 15 beta 2 does indeed solve this.
[Fire TV General] vipercoyote:
While you all were debating I switched back to Kodi instead of SPMC. SPMC have a smoother playback and overall experience to me. So yes there is a difference. SPMC is also tailored to android devices and it does true 5.1 and dolby hd or whatever

And about the person who asked why put plex on fire tv made sense. Most said to stream library but you can get everything under the sun in Kodi. What would you stream that is not on Kodi plus kodi can be added to phone tablets and computers
[Fire TV General] vipercoyote:
1mobil doesnt work with fire tv. its sideways and zoomed in
[Fire TV General] Annunneo:
How do you stream mkv files with kodi from my PC? Or altogether for that matter. I have the pro bubbleupnp and that doesn't work either. I did some googling but I only came across old stuff and nothing of relevance.
[Fire TV General] Ultraschorsch:
I assume you are using Windows, so this should help: http://kodi.wiki/view/SMB/Windows
[Fire TV General] Annunneo:
Yeah from my windows PC to my fire TV. I have a homegroup setup and I can stream other file types but mkv files just don't show up.
[Fire TV General] Ultraschorsch:
That's odd. MKV's are supported. Maybe there's something wrong with the MKV's? Did you make the files yourself?
[Fire TV General] Annunneo:
No they're videos I downloaded. Various videos but all mkv's don't show up. The folder does but not telhe contents.
[Fire TV General] ldeveraux:
that's exactly the point! You downloaded them, not converted them yourself, so who knows what the ripper did to the files.
[Fire TV General] Annunneo:
I see I didn't think any of that matters, because I tried the smb but now even my other files don't show up. I'm using windows 8 and that was for windows 7. Would it be the same?
[Fire TV General] binary01:
Is SPMC still preferred over Kodi now that version 15 has been released? Does the new version of Kodi allow for the Fire TV to sleep or run the screensaver like SPMC? This was the only reason that I know of why SPMC was better than Kodi
[Fire TV General] KLit75:
There are people that still swear by spmc. I've been using the latest version of kodi on all devices since Helix came out but have tried it a couple of weeks here and there. Personally, I don't see a difference. Going back to early Gotham releases and before, I definetly saw a difference.

But I don't have trouble with AFTV sleeping regardless of what I use. Set shutdown timer to quit in power saving. If that doesn't work go to AFTV home screen and set Display>screensaver to "never"
[Fire TV General] Claude Koch:
Kodi Isengard 15 final is out now. Combine it with Firestarter. Good to go.

Don't see any advantage in SPMC, but I really don't like how he's set the back button to bring up the Amazon home screen (without exiting the app), we already have a home button that does that.

Also, the back button exits movies rather than brings up the file browser with video overlay. No thanks.

TVMC is riddled with junk add-ons. Can find those for myself.
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