yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Saygus V²] zelendel:
Thats another OEM that is seen as just another knock off device.

Most China based devices are see as nothing more then cheap knock offs and security risks. Heck most of them are not even allowed to be owned if you have government jobs here.
[Saygus V²] svtcontour:
What network are you using? Can it be rooted?

I really like this phone and will get on if Saygus stays quiet about a delivery this month. They have pissed me off beyond belief with these delays.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I am on AT&T.. I didn't try to root it.

The phone is stunning, and the only problem is that it doesn't support LTE here. But the net speed is still great.

You can also use this code to get 2% discount: OPM2VE
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Cat s60 looks to tick the dual SIM and SD card expansion boxes, whilst having a mahoosive battery and something about a thermal imaging camera...

Lacks an IR blaster, but has everything else :good:
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
http://umidigi.com/page-umi_super.html
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Not waterproof, not MIL-SPEC drop proof, Dual SIM

OR

Sim1 + MicroSD, not both.

A waterproof Note 6/7 might do it, if they bring the IR blaster back - and there's a bump case for it.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Got bored and Note 7 too much $$$ for little gain. Blackview BV6000 wins.

No IrDA, no stylus, sealed battery (but mahoosive) and no Qi charging* :eek:, but:

Marshmallow

Octa-core

IP-68 and ruggedised

Dual-active SIM

SD card

NFC

Two extra hardware buttons

and only £175 delivered! :good:

*might try and sneak a Qi receiver into the casing...
[Saygus V²] Son of Kalas:
Anyone know of any phones that will let me plug in two Micro SD cards? That was by far my greatest draw to the Scamgus V2.

Ideally 1x microsd, 1x sim, and 1x hybrid slot?
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
I agree with you on the plastic. My Captivate, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy Nexus all were naked their whole lives with little more than a few imperceivable scuffs. My iPhone 5 was beat to hell in a matter of months. My 5s has had to be in (an admittedly lovely) leather case its whole life.

I'm not sure if the Galaxy S V is exactly what I'm looking for, but you're right it does meet most of those criteria.
[Saygus V²] Zinguy:
A phone's size was never much of an issue for me, though I understand folks who have smaller hands & those who don't want to talk into or pocket a phablet. So I re-upped with Att after being w/o a contract for a couple years and bought a galaxy note 4 today ($199@bestbuy- 2 yr att contract). I basically use my phone as my laptop. Hopefully the visual real estate will outweigh the pocket inconvenience, plus I'm looking forward to the split screen multitasking. I can send it back if it's too big.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
S5 is probably the closest I've seen to what I would like in a phone, but I'm hoping I can find something with a Snapdragon 808 or the new Exynos chip in the S6. In other words, if the S6 hadn't done away with the SD slot and removable battery... >:[
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
I'm not sure if all plans are the same, but when I talked with an AT&T guy recently, he told me that if I renew my contract and get a subsidized phone, my plan would go up $25/mo, making it actually cheaper to buy the phone outright and stay on the next (no-contract) plan. I worked out the math and he was right. This would be especially true for an older, cheaper phone like the Note 4, which you can buy for ~$620 new or $4-500 in mint condition on swappa. Something you may want to look into. I'm personally considering the Note 4 if nothing else comes out soon. Right now, I'd say it's between that and the Alcatel Idol 3 5.5. The problem with that phone is while it's a pretty good phone for the price, it still feels a bit expensive for what it is, and I think at that point ($250), I'd rather spend an extra couple hundred for the big upgrade to the Note 4. The only thing that isn't better with it is the speakers, which I'm ok with.

A lot of people have said this. I came across an article a couple days ago discussing how the S6/S6 Edge sales have actually been pretty poor, and way under Samsung's expectations. This seems to be contradictory to what we've been reading, but it seemed legit (it was on Forbes.com, and he claimed to get the info direct from Samsung). This certainly wouldn't surprise me, and I'm quite happy about it, as they need to be taught a lesson. If they had kept even just one of the two, their sales would have been much higher. If they had kept both, considering how otherwise amazing the S6 is, the sales would have been phenomenal. But too many people like you and I said no due to the changes. Of course, personally, I would have also preferred an extra mm or 2 in thickness with another several hundred mAh battery. And waterproofing would have been nice, too. Sony can do it without adding a bunch of extra bulk, so I don't see why Samsung can't. This stuff may have reduced their profit margin per phone, but they would have sold a LOT more, which would not only mean similar or larger overall profits, but a happier and larger customer base, one who has been overwhelmingly loyal to them until this recent screw-up and would continue to be had they continued on their original path, meaning more sales on future models as well.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Interesting you mention this. I remerthis being shown aroud the same time as the Saygus in Barcelona

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[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Thanks for the video. In the video when he takes out the removable battery, it looks like there's a microSD slot and dual SIM card slots.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
This is an idea I had a while back, have the internal battery essentially act as a UPS so you can swap batteries when the removable one is getting low without having to power down the phone. Of course, it would be a lot better if it drained the removable battery first, both to allow a maximum charge on the internal battery when swapping and to reduce wear on the internal battery. If it's draining them simultaneously, I wonder how low the internal one is by the time the removable one is dead, or if you can even let the removable one drain all the way. Maybe you have to swap it out at 5% or more so you still have enough charge on the internal one to keep it running while you do so. Of course, the other interesting thing about it is that somebody finally creates a phone with this ingenious way to allow battery swapping, but in a phone that it's unlikely you'll need to swap the battery. But then, Chinese batteries aren't known for being high quality, so maybe despite the combined 6Ah rating they won't last all that long. I do hope more manufacturers start doing this, both the massive battery capacities at the expense of thinness, which is getting out of hand anyways, and the dual battery setup.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
My morning's findings

So I did some searching on GSMArena's phone finder tool and dug up the following options. My search criteria was:

SD Card slot

At least 2GB of RAM, preferably 3

Avoid Snapdragon 810

Between 5.0 and 5.5 inches

Available (can buy today; not rumored or expected)

Here's (in my opinion) the 3 best affordable (as in below 600 USD) options. This ended up making me realize that I would probably be looking at 2014 phones, but I'm not crazy about bleeding edge tech anyway. Here's my findings:

EDIT: The S5 Plus doesn't support American (or Canadian, in my case) LTE bands. So it's not an option for me. :(

Samsung Galaxy S5 Plus

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_plus-6748.php

Basically, the Galaxy S5 but with a Snapdragon 805 processor. :)

Pros:

"Sweet spot" 5.1 in screen size.

Snapdragon 805 with Adreno 420 GPU (faster than 801, without battery drain and overheating of 810)

Water and dust-proof

Removable battery

Wireless charging

Great battery life

Fingerprint Scanner

Decent camera

Cons:

Higher price due to Samsung name (but not too unreasonable; around 500 USD)

Only 2GB of RAM (which is not terrible, but not the best)

Lollipop performance complaints. :(

Sony Xperia Z3

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3-6539.php

A few of my friends have this one. I've played around with them and have to say I was impressed.

Pros:

Waterproof and dust-proof

Excellent 20.7 MP camera

Dedicated camera button

Excellent battery life

Gorgeous screen

3GB RAM

Cons:

Higher price because of Sony name

No fingerprint scanner

Snapdragon 801 (OK, but 805 would be better)

Lollipop performance complaints. :(

LG G3

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3-6294.php

I'm still on the fence about a 5.5 inch screen. I'm concerned about pocket-bulge and one-handed use, but most reviews say the G3 is decent for one-hand use.

Pros:

Quad HD

Wireless charging

Decent camera that includes OIS

3GB of RAM (but in the 32GB model only?)

Double-tap to unlock looks nice

Reasonable price

Cons:

Average-to-poor battery life (but on the plus side, LG has done some impressive work with built-in battery optimizations)

Not water-proof.

No fingerprint scanner

Snapdragon 801 (OK, but 805 would be better)

Lollipop performance complaints. :(

My preference?

Not sure... I think each phone has its unique upsides and downsides. I'm leaning towards the S5 Plus as I think the faster processor and GPU will keep me happier for longer, plus it's the only option (on this list anyway) with a removable battery, which I have found to be really useful when traveling.

As for stand out features for the other two, the Z3 has a really nice camera, combined with more RAM and excellent battery life; but the G3 has a camera with OIS, combined with more RAM and a quad HD display.

I hope you found this helpful. Please let me know your thoughts, especially if you find a phone (that actually exists) in the below-600 USD range that you think is better! :)

One major disappointment is that there I couldn't find a phone in my criteria that didn't have issues with Lollipop, but maybe it's not as bad as people say?
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
If that Samsung Galaxy S5 Plus SM-G901F had 3gb ram I would be all over it.

Edit: Or if it supported US LTE which it does not.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
IKR? So close... :/ Incidentally, the Korean S5 LTE-A does have 3GB: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_lte_a_g906s-6450.php

Not sure if it can be found outside of Korea though... Or if it supports US LTE.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
GREAT catch; I didn't think to look at that. It doesn't appear to work with Canadian bands either. :( The LTE-A looks like it does on paper (at least for Canadian LTE-2100), but it was released as a Korea-exclusive, so I'm a little bit skeptical now. :(
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
The Xperia Z3 was one of the original ones I looked at, but then I figured I'd wait for the Z4 since it was right around the corner, and was disappointed, as were many people, to find it wasn't the upgrade everyone was hoping for and it was Japan only. Even if the Z3 was available with more than 16GB internal memory (the reason it's a no-go for me), I'd hate to end up right back where I started a few months ago after all this headache. I just find it ridiculous that it's so hard to find a device without so many compromises. Another thing with the Z3, and one of the big reasons I decided to wait for the Z4, was that in order to be waterproof it has a cover over the USB port, which I know would just get on my nerves. I'm still hopeful the Z4 (Z3+?) will make it here, since it looks like maybe the best bet, but there's not much news from legitimate sources regarding this. At this point, if the Idol 3 goes on sale for $200, I'm going to buy it and wait until Fall to see what happens. Unfortunately, I doubt it will, since that wouldn't be fair to the preorder folks.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
My problem with the z3 and z4 are the huge bezels! The phone is about the same physical size of a 5.5" phone.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
People keep saying this, and I haven't seen one in person, but the screen-to-body ratio is roughly the same as with the S4 and S6, and it's only very slightly larger than the S6, with a 5.2" screen vs 5.1". That said, the G4 is only barely bigger than the Z4 with 0.3" more screen size. Granted, I'd prefer it to be slightly smaller, but considering how great of a phone it is and how long the battery life is, I think I'd be ok with the slightly larger size. If the Z4 becomes available in the U.S., it'll likely be my next phone, no question. And IMO, the only phone that comes even close to it would be the V2, which isn't real. The G4 is also a top-runner, largely because, as mentioned, despite its large screen, it's barely bigger than the S6, and because it retained the expandable storage and replaceable battery. I'm just not sure how I would like the rear-mounted buttons.

Check out this link to see the comparison between the phones: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...,Samsung-Galaxy-S6/phones/7597,8764,9104,8997
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I didn't realize the G4 had a removable battery as well! That's awesome. Given that it's Snapdragon 808 and not the 810, it's probably the best option (at least for me). I'll wait to see what it ends up costing in Canada (with much trepidation)... But it does look like an awesome phone.

The Z4's also a contender. I like the Xperia cameras, but I just don't trust the 810, given its crazy benchmark results after throttling kicks in.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Agreed. I haven't looked at benchmarks, so I don't know specifics, but I don't like carrying around a space heater in my pocket, and I definitely don't like the idea of paying a premium price for a sub-premium product. I'd rather have an 801 or 805, as they are still plenty fast but also more efficient. But then, most of the comments I've seen regarding the 810's issues are with screens > 1080p, and the Z4 stuck with 1080 instead of jumping on the qHD bandwagon, which is another thing I like about it. Another concern I have about the G4 is the battery life, as LG has a history of average to less than average performance in that area, and so far from what I can tell the G4 will be no exception, whereas the Xperia line is known for excellent battery life.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_2-6902.php a little look of what could be the one plus two specs...
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
I agree. That's my biggest gripe about the Sony phones. I did briefly consider the smaller Z3c with a 4.6" screen but unfortunately it doesn't support LTE on band 12 which I want as a T-Mobile customer.

I'd strongly consider the LG G4 if it wasn't so large for my taste. And unfortunately the smaller G4c with a 5" screen looks like the typical lower spec compact version. The only manufacturers that doesn't skimp on specs with their compact/mini versions are Sony and Apple.

The only thing about the Z4 (besides the large bezels) is that Sony didn't bother including optical image stabilization in the main camera.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
If they add an SD Slot and removable battery, that might be tempting, but we may have a long wait and a stupid invite system ahead of us to bother with for the 1+2.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Motorola Turbo\Maxx

Instead of waiting for the V2 to appear I cancelled my order and bought the Motorola Turbo (India version) and I love it!!!

Pros:

Great Battery Life- easily get a day and half on a single charge with 3.5+ hrs of SOT

Quick Charge – Super useful in those times when you overslept and forgot to charge your phone

Screen – The screen visibility in sunlight is very good

Fast – The 805 Qualcomm is able to handle pretty much everything thrown at it.

Moto Suite – Moto Display, Moto Assist, Moto Actions and Moto Voice are really really really useful

UI – Pretty much stock with the few useful apps above

Cons:

Heat Issues- Phone heats up when on charge and when playing games

Speakers- With a single front facing speaker, the sound quality is average at best

Camera – Could have been better

Display – While outdoor visibility is great, I personally prefer the popping colours on Samsung screen

Custom ROMs – With sales being limited to 2 countries (India\Brazil) doesn’t look like much development’s going to be done on this phone.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Problem is, this phone doesn't have expandable storage, which is something most people here want. If you're good with what comes with it, then I agree, this is a great phone, though I'm not sure why you bought that version. Care to elaborate?
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Yeah I agree with you there. It does look like a very, very nice phone otherwise. It looks like Motorola made the most phones with the 805 (at least that I could find), and they all do an amazing job...

... :rolleyes:

Maybe because they live in India..? Just a guess? ;)
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Sony Xperia Z3+

Well this looks very exciting: http://blogs.sonymobile.com/press_release/introducing-new-xperia-z3-plus/

But it is Snapdragon 810... :( And it's being released in Europe only for now. :crying:

I guess we can wait for reviews to see if they've managed to overcome the 810's wacky throttling/overheating issues, and then decide if it's worth importing (for those of us who don't live in Europe, anyway). :)
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
As mentioned, it may not be an issue thanks to their (IMO) good decision on the resolution (Z3+ = Z4 by all accounts).

I assume so, but then, I try not to make assumptions.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Movies, Photos, eBooks, Music and a few big games, I'm still left with over 32 GB. Well I live in Dubai but am Indian. Wanted a phone that was value for the money I pay and this ticked pretty much all the boxes.

Another Pro: Dropped the phone pretty hard yesterday and not one scratch.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I pulled the trigger on an LG G4. T-mobile in the US is offering a free 128 GB SD card with the phone. LG is offering a free spare battery, charging cradle, and 32 GB card. That pretty much made my mind up for me, though it won't help if you don't want to or can't use T-mobile.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
You get ALL that by preordering with TMo?
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
T-mobile just gives you the 128GB card (while supplies last, blah blah blah). LG has the other offer directly through their website here. You have to purchase from an authorized dealer, so from a carrier, Best Buy, etc.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Generally t-mobile stuff has an unlocked bootloader right? And att is usually locked? And can I use this phone on att?
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Yes, though you will need to get the phone sim unlocked. That's only $15 - $20 to have done.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Aren't they required by law to unlock now at the carrier?
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Unfortunately, it's for residents of the US only. :( If they offer that when they launch in Canada, I'd jump on that too. It's a really good option for Americans, though! Hope it works out for you.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
My understanding is that the T-mobile G3 and other phones had unlocked bootloaders. My Nexus was purchased from Google directly, and I can't even remember about my Galaxy S2. The GS2 is rooted and running a custom rom, so it was either unlocked or I followed a process to unlock it. Yes, I still have it. I occasionally use it as a Chromecast remote while I'm fiddling around with flashing or stuff on my Nexus.

Regarding SIM unlocking, T-mo's policy is after having the device on your account with them for 40 days. It's free.

As far as later using it on another carrier, the big thing is the LTE bands. I know manufacturers used to produce dif models for the US covering dif frequencies which made devices not completely incompatible, but unable to use the LTE frequences for other carriers. So they'd work with like edge speeds and for calls/texts, but not 3G or LTE. I'm not sure that's still done. That's something you might pop over to the LG G4 forum and check on.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
That's quite a deal with all those extras. I just went and looked at the G3; it is really stretching the limits of one-handed usage (for my hands) and the G4 is even larger, despite having the same sized screen. If the G4 was a 5.2" device like the G2, I'd order it right now, but I don't think I'll be happy with the size of it. I'm looking for a smartphone in the size range of a GS4, GS6, Saygus, etc. The G4 is more of a phablet, a lot closer in size to a Note than a Galaxy S. I briefly had a Note 3, and while I liked everything else about it better than my S4, the size was just too much so I returned it. I suppose it might be worth it to order it and try it out...not sure what the return policy will be for a pre-order, web purchase compared to picking one up in the store.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I'm 5'2" and have ridiculously small hands. There's really no smartphone that's practical for easy one-handed use for me without the screen being way too small for my preference (like, barely over 4"). I'm actually not sure how I'll feel about this being bigger than my N5 in usage, but I figured I'll either adapt or return it.

Not trying to sway opinions, just explaining conversationally. :)
[Saygus V²] hella356:
Yeah, there's quite a range concerning one-hand usage! I'm 5-8" with about average sized hands (maybe on the smaller side) for a male of my height. A Note 4 for my 6'-5" friend with huge hands works great for him, but is way too big for me. I guess I can give the G4 a go and return it if it proves too large for a DD.

The other potential issue I have with the G4 is the software buttons vs the hard home button & capacitive buttons on the Galaxy phones. It seems to me that the soft keys on the G4 take up screen real estate, somewhat defeating having a bigger screen. I could maybe see a logic to it if the bottom bezel was smaller due to not having the buttons like the Samsungs, but it looks like the similar-sized bottom bezel is just wasted dead space.

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The other issue I have is whether the G4 will have an unlocked bootloader, and whether there will be root achieved within the time I'd have to try it out. I've never bought a phone this early in its cycle and there has always been root and custom ROMs available by the time I got mine, but I guess that's the chance you take with a new model. Having always immediately rooted my phones, I'm not too keen on being stuck with a completely stock device, which makes the S6 (despite the infuriating loss of SD & battery) look more appealing at the moment, along with knowing the physical size is right.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
You sound just like me (5'8" with average to slightly below average hands for a guy). I'd be interested in what you decide if you try the G4. I just can't wait for technology to advance to the point where we can resize the screen on the fly. And I agree about the onscreen vs capacitive buttons. The argument is that the onscreen ones go away when you're in an app to give you more screen space, but then you have to bring them out to use them, unlike capacitive ones that are just always there, and if you're going to have a bezel anyway, may as well use it for them.

The flipside of your concern regarding the bootloader is that if you wait too long, the carrier may come out with an update that locks it down tighter. I bought my S4 and immediately rooted it, and shortly after the carriers updated the firmware to fix the loophole used to root it. I realize this is not the same as the bootloader, but the same logic applies. I never did unlock the bootloader.

Recent news shows the Xperia Z3+ going global in June, still unclear if that includes the U.S. I'm hopeful it comes here and is priced appropriately, because that's looking more and more like the most ideal phone for me. The only problem with it is that it's a bit big, similar to the G4, but I may just have to suck it up, since who knows how long it'll be before the release a Z3+ compact, if ever.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
Not sure if you know it but there is One-handed modes on most samsung phones and other brands too.

heres a video demo - ignore the first half of the vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrxrZ8Y0-XE

You basically shrink the screen to what ever size you like and there are software buttons on the bottom.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I didn't know. That's pretty cool.