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[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
+1 on both counts

Not for me. Non-removable battery, which I would be willing to overlook if all else was good and it had Quick Charge, but it does not (of course, all else being equal, I will always choose the phone with the removable battery, and if I were to buy one without, it would be a temp phone until a different one with a removable battery came out). Also, only 16GB internal memory is NOT enough. 32GB is minimum for me. The ONLY reason I ever got rid of my EVO 4G was because I was constantly getting low memory errors, and I don't want to deal with that again. I don't want to settle for a phone with less than 32GB internal and less than 96GB total memory, even a temporary one. At least the P7000 is very cheap and has otherwise good specs and a removable battery, so the internal memory is the only big sacrifice. Unfortunately, it looks like that one is out, too, and I need to cancel my order, because it doesn't work on AT&T's LTE.
[Saygus V²] Zinguy:
Thanks

Thanks for this thread. As much as I can't look away from the train wreck that is Saygus, I really do need to replace my outdated phone and leave the Apple compound and koolaid behind.

You'd think it would be easy to buy a decent phone with a swappable battery and expandable storage.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Yeah that's the crazy part, I still want the V2 because of the features. I'm shocked that more people aren't worried about support after the sale from Saygus though.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
The problem is most mainstream manufacturers seem to be heading towards sealed unit phones, and the majority have given up on SD support on flagships. Sony is a noticeable exception but their in life care leaves a lot to be desired - the official Sony phone forums are full of threads on issues that Sony refuses to officially acknowledge.

A lot of the 'cheaper' phones from Chinese manufacturers interest me, but there is always a compromise there. Honor's cheaper phones have non-backlit capacitive buttons. Meizu and Xiaomi seem to shun SD. Elephone seems a little left field. Most Chinese flagships are 5.5 inch.

What we all seem to agree on is that the V2 offered the fewest compromises, and everything else has at least one glaring black mark that we realistically are not able to swallow. Which makes the apparent train wreck of the V2 that much harder to take and ultimately is responsible for the sometime over emotional outbursts by the various pro/anti Saygus camps.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Actually the ZTE Nubia Z9 does look pretty amazing. Only issue for me is no wireless charging and the price seems high. The Sharp Aquos Xx doesnt have a speaker. Not sure how I would like that.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
This is an interesting alternative I saw on BGR but I doubt it will be available with support for US networks. It's made by a Chinese company called Innos and it has a 5.2-inch 1080p display, a Snapdragon 615 1.8GHz octa-core processor, a 16-megapixel rear-facing camera, a 5-megapixel front-facing camera, 3 GB of RAM, 32GB of storage and Android 5.0 Lollipop. The most interesting thing about it is that has dual batteries with a total capacity of 6000mAh, an internal one that's 2480mAh and an external replaceable one that's 3520mAh. I don't think it has a microSD memory card slot but if someone can read Chinese then the second link will have all the specs. I tried Google translate on the page but it didn't translate much.

http://bgr.com/2015/05/22/best-smartphone-battery-innos-d6000/

http://www.innos.com/yiluo/product.php?lang=cn&class2=168
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Wow that looks really cool!
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
If someone knows of another phone with a reasonable screen size, removable battery, waterproofing, front facing speakers, expandable storage, a durable body material (i.e. not aluminum, something that doesn't need a case) and a fingerprint reader, I'd like to know about it.

Or at least most of those things. :confused:
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
The Galaxy S5 meets most of your criteria. The only thing it lacks out of those is the front-facing speakers. I know, some people would argue it also doesn't have a "durable body," since it's made out of plastic, but I 100% disagree. My S4 was tough as hell, despite being plastic (and I actually think partly because of it, since plastic flexes and also weighs less, so less impact force when falling). I've thrown it so many times, to the point the case came off and the battery flew out once, and it never so much as got a scratch that I saw. And the only reason I put a case on it was because it was too thin and felt weird in the hand, and the case I used was a very slim one, so it didn't add much to the phone, just a tiny bit of extra thickness and a better grip. As much as I dislike Samsung right now, the S5 would be my next phone if it were available unlocked with 32GB internal memory.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
Yeah, I've never understood why, when creating a "mini" version of a flagship (which several makers do), that it always seems to have severely downgraded specs. I suspect a lot of people would buy a G4 Mini (sized like a G2) with otherwise (other than screen) identical specs. And millions of S2/3/4/5 users would have bought a version of the S6 with removable SD/battery. So strange.
[Saygus V²] vikramkhalsa:
Agree with the last few posts. My original moto x 2013 was the perfect size. Since then they have just gotten bigger and bigger! If anything they could've kept the same size as 2014 or at least had a mini version! They're basically forcing everyone to go bigger. And saygus v2 looks pretty hopeless.. s6 is starting to look like the only good option.. or the z3c.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
I agree. I don't understand it either. You can get laptops, tablets and hybrid laptops/tablets in different screen sizes with almost identical specs. The only 2 companies that have done it with smartphones are Apple and Sony. Ironically in the case of Apple, the smaller 4.7" iPhone 6 outsells the 5.5" iPhone 6+ by a large margin. Sony's mistake is not releasing them at the same time to see which size customers prefer. I was disappointed that only 1 version of the 2015 Moto X was released with a 5.7" screen. They should have released a 5" version as well.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
May be Samsung will finally release S6 mini with descent specs. Also there is Bluboo Xtouch going to be realeased soon and suppose to have pretty good specs.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
I'm willing to wait another month or 2 to see what comes out but here are the phones I'm considering at this point. I have no faith that the Saygus V² will be out by then.

1) Samsung Galaxy S6

2) Sony Xperia M5 (even though it has huge bezels)

3) ZTE Nubia Z9 (Elite or Exclusive US versions)

4) LG Nexus 5 2015

5) Sony Xperia Z5 Compact

6) ZTE Axon Mini (thanks to [MENTION=5211034]aspid667[/MENTION] for mentioning this one in the main Saygus V² thread because I hadn't heard about it)

For the ones that don't have a microSD slot I will not consider anything with less than 64gb built in storage.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Has anyone seen anything regarding the AXON Lux? It was supposed to release end of July
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Huawei joins the party:

http://www.gizchina.com/2015/08/09/huaweis-next-flagship-is-the-4-7-inch-huawei-mate-7-mini/

Looks like by Fall 2015 we'll have some descent choice of alternatives.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Im a little dissapointed this phone, http://www.doogeemobile.com/doogee-f3-pro-3gb-16gb.html, the Doogee F3 Pro doesnt have the correct bands to work in the US. Seems like an interesting phone for the price. Watching this Youtube on the frame of the phone was cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XfcuOHVOkY

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4.7 is just a tad too small for me. 5.0-5.2 (with little to no bezels) is the sweet spot. The LG G2 was the perfect sized phone.
[Saygus V²] augie7107:
I believe this is exclusive to China only.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
If that Doogee had proper bands for the US, it would be pretty appealing to me. Seems to have a 64GB built-in option + SD, and capacitive buttons. Other downsides are no replaceable battery & doubtful possibility of development on XDA. I can only assume the listed 170g weight must be a typo. Still, nice to see some decent offerings in the 5" range.
[Saygus V²] No1VIPER:
Here's my experience of buying and using the Jiayu S3 Advanced (3gb).

Price: £130 (approximately $200)

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/321958 (Bloomberg Mikki)

Ordered: 5/8/15 (that's day/month/year)

Received: 10/8/15 (that's day/month/year)

I would highly recommend this seller. This was my first purchase through AliExprees, and I was a little nervous to be honest. Especially since you can't use PayPal.

The transaction couldn't have gone anymore smoothly though. I had contact with the seller throughout. From requesting which silicon I'd like, to when I I could expect to receive the phone, to also letting me know that it would be sent as $27 value, so as to avoid any customs. I was given a tracking number within a few days of ordering, which worked perfectly through DHLs tracking. I will definitely be buying from Bloomberg Mikki again.

Now to the phone. I've been using it for about a week now. I've added TWRP, which was really simple. I just downloaded the Jiayu.es app. Then I added Xposed, which runs perfectly. I've had no issues with the phone at, it's super fast, smooth and the battery is great. I regularly get about 6hrs screen on time.

The GPS is really accurate, the dual speakers make a noticeable difference to audio quality and volume compared to the single one on my old Samsung Galaxy S4.

All my apps are working with the phone just fine. With one slight exception. For some reason the eBay app force closes when I try to search. Not that big a deal though, as I can just use the mobile site.

The screen on the phone is great. I absolutely love the MiraVision option, which let's you fully customise the brightness, contrast, saturation and colour temperature.

Smart Wake settings also work really well too. Such as double tap to wake, slide up to unlock, draw c to open straight into the camera. Speaking of the camera, this is probably the only slightly chink in the S3s armour. The video recording quality is great. It's smooth, audio works just fine too. The camera on the other hand can be a bit hit or miss, with the built in app. So I decided to install Camera ZOOM FX. After tweaking some of the setting in this the camera now performs a lot better, and a lot more consistently.

In conclusion I'm really happy with the phone and the seller I bought it from. I'd highly recommend both. Just bare in mind though, if your after a phone with a top notch camera, then perhaps this isn't the phone for you.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Seems like a nice alternative if you dont mind a 5.5" phone.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
(I just quoted his conclusion to keep the size of my post down. I recommend everyone read his excellent review if you haven't already: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=62340274&postcount=191 ) :)

Sounds like an awesome phone, except for the camera. Lots of really cool features though; thanks for posting!

I used to think I'd hate a 5.5" phone. Now that I've had one for over 3 months or so now (the LG G3 Cat.6), I've found that it's not as bad as I thought it was. It fits in my pocket just fine, and is not terribly awkward or uncomfortable to use, even with one hand. The turning point for me was when I realized that my Galaxy S3 with the CASE was still the same width as an LG G3. Of course, YMMV. :)
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
I have LG G3, albeit with the 6500 mAH extended battery, and I find it a little too big for me. I have smaller hands. I was a little disappointed to see the new LG made Nexus 5 2015 is actually going to be a little taller than the G3 due to the front facing stereo speakers. Bummer.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
For $25 more than the Saygus I got a Z1C and a Z3C from Amazon, so returns wouldn't be a problem - nor was delivery on time a problem.

After having them for a month I'd say the Z1C is a better quality build of phone, esp noticeable I the SIM/SD card flaps. And at $250 delivered for a pink one (pink was $25 cheaper than other colors) it is a really good value phone.

The Z3C has a slightly larger screen by 0.3" and a much better contrast when you view them side by side. It was $375 delivered on Amazon.

Speed is no noticeable difference, video editing is the same as far as I can tell, nothing else seems to be very much different except I think the z1c had fast charging v1 and z3c has fast charging v2 (if you have the correct charger). The z1c came with a fast charger. Z3c I think so too (v1).

Overall I put a 128gb sd in the z3c (that I had ordered on may 20th in expectation) and am very happy with it's quality, both the software and hardware.

The camera could/should be better but it's ok in good light.

The z3c camera is supposed to be better, I can't really tell as the automatic software is so hit and miss in terms of whether it captures a good image or not.

Waterproofing is great for when you're sweating or caught in a downpour both happen regularly for me.

Best of all the Saygus drama is over, I have a working phone and have moved on. With them their poor track record pre-delivery it made me nervous on their after sales service and/or warranty abilities.

2 great phones with questionable customer service or one pipedream that never materialised, with terrible service? I'm happy with the choice I made.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S6 128gb is $580 with their back to school sale which ends tomorrow. Very tempting at that price.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
http://www.obiworldphone.com/
[Saygus V²] No1VIPER:
Seems quite good.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Yes, especially SF1
[Saygus V²] vikramkhalsa:
Thanks for the comments, I just ordered the z3c too. Couldn't find anything else! Hopefully the glass doesn't shatter :/

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When/where can we buy it? I like the internals and price, but don't really care for the design.

It looks like they put an iphone on top of a windows phone and smushed them both together.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Unforunately the Obi SF1 only supports the following LTE bands and neither of them are used in the U.S.

4G LTE: FDD B3 1800 MHz & TDD B40 2300 MHz
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
You can check it at

http://www.obiworldphone.com/press

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Targeted markets for SF1 is Asia, Africa and Middle East according to official website
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Wow this looks awesome! http://gigaset.me/en_UK/

The Gigaset ME features a Gorilla Glass 3 protected 5-inch display with a resolution of 1080 x 1920. That is a pixel density of 441ppi. The Snapdragon 810 SoC is under the hood, although the octa-core CPU has been underclocked to 1.8GHz. The Adreno 430 GPU handles graphics. 3GB of RAM is inside, along with 32GB of expandable internal storage. Both the rear camera (16MP) and the front-facing camera (8MP) feature an f/2.0 aperture, allowing you to take pictures in low-light conditions. A fingerprint scanner is included and the phone offers dual SIM capabilities. A 3000mAh battery (with QuickCharge 2.0) powers the device, which does support 4G LTE connectivity. Android 5.1 is pre-installed with the Gigaset UI running on top.

Read more at http://www.phonearena.com/news/Giga...nveiled-in-Berlin_id73240#23sTCGSxxEz7zuKl.99

Only thing it doesnt have is a removable battery. Other than that, it looks pretty awesome.
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
Don't care about the removable battery much personally, it's missing the front facing speakers for me and I also don't like the glass backpanel. But you're right that phone is quite awesome. There are finally some decent alternatives on the way for those of us that love the Saygus V2 specs. (Todays Sony Xperia Z5 and yesterday's Nextbit Robin being 2 other contenders) I'm quite confident that the whole saygus nightmare will finally be forgotten in a few weeks time.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
I agree that people will start forgetting about Saygus soon because of the upcoming fall phones. I expect the Sony Xperia Z5 and M5 so be good options as well the LG Nexus 5 2015 model with the latter 2 being the lower cost options.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the Sony models will be will be waterproof and dustproof which is better than just the waterproof feature on the Saygus. The Z5 and M5 models have Ingress Protection rating IP65/68.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
All these options are larger (taller at least) of my G3. I want a smaller footprint phone, but not too small like the Z5 Compact. Again, Give me a LG G2 sized phone with 2015 features.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
I'd say give me an S4 with flagship 2015 specs. I think high "screen to body ratio" phones in the 5.0" to 5.2" range are what a lot of people want, but the ones being made are largely using older, lower spec CPUs, still stuck at 2GB RAM (or less), small amounts of storage, usually no SD card or removable battery. The only true flagship level phone in this range on offer in the USA seems to be the S6. I assumed LG would release a G4 Mini in this size range, but they seem stuck on phablets now. The iPhone6 outsells the Plus, I wonder what the sales breakdown between the S6 & Note 5 will be.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Even the s6 is too big....
[Saygus V²] hella356:
The S6 is inexplicably a fair amount taller than the S4. Thinner & only very slightly wider, but the top & bottom bezels have grown too much.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Here are the main features about V*V I find interesting:

A. Size and dimensions

B. "Battery to screen size"-ratio

C. Removable battery

D. Quick/Wireless charge

E. Pure android/Bloat-free

F. Available root access

G. Multi-Boot from SD

H. 64+ GB onboard storage

I. One SD-card slot

J. Two SD-card slots

K. Avoidance of SD810

L. Sunlight viewability

M. WiHD

N. Fingerprint scanner

O. Front facing speakers

P. Waterproof

Q. USB type C

R. Dual sim

For most of the features its possible to find some phones that have them, but does not seem to exist any phone that have all, or at least most, of these features. For instance, the LG G4 have removable-battery and one SD-card slot, but very few of the other features. Galaxy S6 ticks maybe 4 out of 18 boxes. Also most other phones seems to have serious deal-breakers, like poor battery life (Galaxy S6), SD810 (Z5, OP2), Moto X style is far to big, the new nexus 5 from LG only have 32 gb internal storage and no SD-card support. Poor battery life + non-removable battery seems to be a problem with almost all phones available today. It's hard for me to see any "nightmare" ending soon. I guess I'll wait for the newer SD820 devices to arrive next year, and see what they have to offer.
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
I think the best alternative at the moment are Z3 and Z3c.

But I agree on paper the V2 is a dream.

Sunlight visibility and the actual quality of colours have to verified, hard to judge on paper.

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[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
i went with moto x pure finally. waiting for the refund of saygus.

my s2 died officialy so had to make a quick choice and for 400$ is not a very hard choice.actually 450 since i took 32gb.

only thing is huge screen both with a not so bad screen to body ratio we will see. it's the first time i am giving a chance to a such big screen (never had more than 5 inches) . i shall see
[Saygus V²] courtneyomg:
Hi, I'm Courtney and new here. :)

Related to the V2, has anyone else contributed to the V2 Indiegogo campaign when it was still live and - now that they've gone ghost - are demanding a refund? I've already contacted Saygus (told me to refer to IG's new refund policy and did not respond to my reply), my credit card company and Indiegogo. I'm waiting to hear back from IG but from what I've read, they're not much help. I don't think this will be an easy fight.:mad:
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
It looks like the OnePlus X will be a good alternative to the Saygus.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-X--Mini-hardware-specs-confirmed-by-TENAA-leak_id74697

http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-x-to-launch-october-29-649011/

4.99" 1080p OLED display

Snapdragon 801 or MediaTek MT6795

2GB or 3GB of RAM

16GB or 32GB of storage

microSD card slot

13MP primary camera (no OIS)

8MP front-facing camera

IP67 certification

2450 mAh battery

NFC

FM radio

IR blaster

front facing speakers

I expect it to be much less than expensive than the Saygus. According to this tweet from OnePlus, we should find out all the details on Oct 29.

https://twitter.com/oneplus/status/654144640732528640
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
Battery seems a bit small, let's hope it is removable. I hope but don't believe in sd slot.

The big point is that this guy is not gonna be that inferior to Saygus V2 at a third of the price. Tough competition for Saygus here.

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[Saygus V²] vittogn:
What about this? The pro version looks to be interesting!

http://www.gizguide.com/2015/10/blueboo-xtouch-photos.html?m=1

I hope for removable battery and stock android like many Chinese Mediatek phones.

Again the price looks to be much lower.

I hope saygus price will soon get down to 400, otherwise I doubt note see a lot of sales.

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[Saygus V²] ValtheBatman:
Moto Droid Turbo 2 for Verizon in the US or outside US would be Moto X Force.

Awesome phone with amazing specs, pretty much everything that saygus has and somewhat more and some less, but a more respectable company at least.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Galaxy S7 does not seem to bad, if the rumors are true. It will get waterproofing and sd card support. 4GB ram and sd820 (or exynos). 3Ah battery. 5.1'' screen.

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobi...pecs-price-rumours-antutu-leak-confirms-specs

The biggest disadvantages compared to V2 is probably lack of root support, bloatware/touchwiz, size and the non-removable battery. (At least from my point of view.)
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Looks good, but might be frail, maybe there'll be a Active?

Currently SGS6 Active now it has 64GB is tempting, though a little pricey. And a legit UK source would be good.

Key features for me are rugged, waterPROOF, RAM and onboard storage size, big battery, Qi, NFC, IR (yes indeed) and decent camera(s). Basically - almost a V2 - but this one exists :victory: It also has another button :highfive:

Still on the lookout for dual SIM and SD card though. Replaceable battery would be nice, but I can live without that if the other boxes are ticked.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
S6 active will probably get a price drop after S7 is released, so its probably better to wait for the S7 release.

For me the lack of fingerprint scanner becomes a deal breaker, othervise 64GB S6 active seems interesting.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Samsung s7 is now available, Huawei P9 is soon available, LG G5 is soon available.....what about saygus v2, let´s see us in MWC 2017 maybe you have the new processor now on saygus v2. :) and still no FCC or issue of chinese new year. Antenna problems and so on.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
You forgot to mention Xiaomi Mi5 - amazing phone for its price, less than 500$ for 128GB version.

And regarding FCC - it impossible to certify an unicorn since no one could catch it.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
correct I forget this phone. Unfortunately u have to import it. In the next months HTC will show is new phone. And we still wait for Saygus V2 ;) hahahahaha
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
In my case I have to import any phone, so it is not problem for me. ;)
[Saygus V²] zelendel:
Yeah but in the US Xiaomi is not really seen as anything but knock off devices really and with the restrictions in place many will never buy their devices.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It won't stop me if I'll decide to go on it :cyclops: Honestly speaking, after canceling Meizu Pro 5 mini Xiaomi Mi5 looks like my best choice in case Saygus V2 will be demonstrated at MWC once again :silly::laugh::victory:
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Xiaomi MI5 is currently for $369 from Oppomart. Shipping to the US via FedEx costs $25. The seller is reputable.

I got mine and it is really awesome.