yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
must have missed something, didn't get setting icons...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] blackout203:
we countin on you man, i'd love to run this on my Wing(Herald)!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
so I can open the TFSettings fine, but biotouch doesn't do anything. Has anyone seen a "startup" action for biotouch?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
Btw is there a working Audio Manager?

Keep getting a certificate error with the rar and cab one floating around on the forums.

So far ported the dialpad plus comm manager (little issue left, need help on that one, see http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1306994&postcount=44) for the E-ten, the dialpad however seems to work on all devices even now :)

Anyways keep up the stuff, I'll try to port it to E-ten or other brands so everyone gets to use it :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] masr1979:
OEMDRIVERS rgu file, I see you looked at the provxml that's what I was forgetting to do :p. I checked ALL the rgu files looking for instances of mediahubmini, aplauncher, quickdial, tfsettings, tflo, biotouch and didn't find anything aside from those entries.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
when i try to open biotouch.exe, the screen just hangs there with "start" text on the top left corner. But nothing happen
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] h4ck:
http://wmblack.info/ has anyone seen this? its touch software running on the hermes...think any of it would be useful?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
It doesn´t have the cube working or touchflo...

It's just a look like htc touch rom...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] masr1979:
Those of you that have installed the rom, if you could get me a dump of the registry in .reg, rgu, txt format I'd appreciate it. Also I see that you guys are having problems with the hardware keys, are all the keys specified? the Touch's registry settings as far as I see only point to the camera hardware key which on the wizard should be the internet explorer key (40C2).

This is what the wizard's looks like

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C1]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Messaging.lnk\""

"Name"="Button 1"

"Icon"="\\windows\\tmail.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Messaging.lnk\""

"Flags"=dword:0

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C2]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Internet Explorer.lnk\""

"Name"="Button 2"

"Icon"="\\windows\\iexplore.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Internet Explorer.lnk\""

"Flags"=dword:0

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C3]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Camera.lnk\""

"Name"="Button 3"

"Icon"="\\windows\\Camera.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Camera.lnk\""

"Flags"=dword:0

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C4]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Voice Command.lnk\""

"Name"="Button 4"

"Icon"="\\windows\\voicecmd.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Voice Command.lnk\""

"Flags"=dword:0

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C5]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\AltTab.lnk\" -b"

"Name"="Button 4(Hold)"

"Icon"="\\windows\\AltTab.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\AltTab.lnk\" -b"

"Flags"=dword:0

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C6]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Comm Manager.lnk\""

"Name"="Button 5"

"Icon"="\\windows\\CommManager.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Comm Manager.lnk\""

"Flags"=dword:0

These are the entries for the Touch

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys\40C2]

@="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Camera.lnk\""

"Name"="Button 1"

"Icon"="\\windows\\Camera.exe, 0"

"ResetCmd"="\"\\Windows\\AppButtons\\Camera.lnk\""

"Flags"=dword:0
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bowlopho:
This wont make a difference. All it is is your phone buttons pointing to which app it is set to run
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
I really do have other things to do, but I can't let this one lay for any amount of time.

I'm gonna get drastic with the OS, because it's gotta be missed reg settings and incompatible/missing dll's and exe's. When that bio app attempts to run, it's not working because it could be because: is not installed correctly / does not have the correct settings / does not have enough supporting drivers or tools.

Are you guys starting with the 1413 build? I'd say this is a better place to start - because it's much closer to the touch release. I could be wrong, but logic tells me to use it.

So I'm gonna take and get the touch base OS to run, no apps installed, and build from there. If I can make any milestone, I'll post the software. I think trying to get the top application to work before the base might be part of the issue...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
In addition to the cab, I entered these settings, along with all of the audiomanager and quickdial files:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\MASD]

"QuickDial"="1_0_523713_0000"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickDial\Contacts]

"0"=dword:00000000

"1"=dword:00000000

"2"=dword:00000000

"3"=dword:00000000

"4"=dword:00000000

"5"=dword:00000000

"6"=dword:00000000

"7"=dword:00000000

"8"=dword:00000000

"9"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\audiomanagerapp]

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\audiomanagerapp\DefaultIcon]

@="AudioManager.exe,-102"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\audiomanagerapp\SelectIcon]

@="AudioManager.exe,-103"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\AudioManager]

"AudioManager"="1.0"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\AudioManager\Config]

"music_player_time_mode"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\MASD]

"AudioManager"="1_2_515718_v002"
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] masr1979:
Well then in that case we need to get the driver for the wizards hardware buttons, ButtonsExt.dll & ButtonsExt.dll.0409.mui maybe?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bowlopho:
isnt the touchflo suppose to detect "skin." that is the new enhancement of the device? Well, our screen isnt meant to detect skin, so maybe the bio program wont work. Since it's for bio sensing
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
wouldn't suprise me, and a good observation. I noticed a "pressure" setting (something like 2700) in the registry. Hmmm...

Too bad there wasn't a way to override the "pressure" setting, and force the bio sense function... might make interaction a bit different than intended, but it's something to play with anyway.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
This is a full working Audio manager + today plugin cab :)

Just enable the today plugin, and select audio manager as the app you want to control

have fun :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
thanks - trying it now!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
Somehow the today plug in only play media player instead of audio manager
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
You need to select Audio Manager, in settings, it does work flawlessly here :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
I see, thx for mentioning.

Nice work
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] sheitan:
i cant find the today plugin ? from where to enable it, its not at the today settings list
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bluber:
for me the today plugin is working fine on my xda orbit - really awesome - but i cant get the audio manager to run?? would be glad if someone has an idea why?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] kegobeer:
Start by reading the entire thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=311225
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] jasjamming:
hi guys,

forgive me if this sounds like i am hijacking but im not.

over at 4winmobile i have started a thread about porting the touch.dll to the hermes

Bepe and I have ported everything else and my ROM (black shadow) is an example, but biotouch wont work as it is dependant on the touch.dll in the elf.

we have all the oem apps split with rgu's, no need to bake it in to test it.

lets see if we can collaborate.... here is a direct link to the forum.

http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/he...-developers-porting-touch-dll-elf-hermes.html

I didnt realise u guys were doing the same till i searched after posting.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
What's that quick dial thingie in the thread there?

Saw it in the dialpad cab floating aroud here earlier too, kept giving me errors so I got rid of it and now it's working fine on any wm6 phone.

As it's listed there does it work? Got no account there and I'm just not signing up for just that file.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Just a thought....but why don't you ask A_C , the creator of "Slide 2 UnLock" for assistance with this thing. Like i said...i don't have time right now to do it myself...but i am helping by providing ideas.

From what i understood the biotouch isn't starting at all ? or am i mistaken...

If so...i think you/we should analyze this thing methodically...

Why doesn't it start ?

* missing/corrupt files

* missing/invalid registry settings

* it's meant not to work with other devices...some kind of lock down

* worse case ... pure incompatibility

I suggested to ask A_C because he may know a thing or 2 about touch screens...

I suspect it's driver incompatibility associated with an registry error related to the touch screen sensibility.

Hopefully next days i will have more time to look into this. Till then...guys, try excluding possibilities above.

Good luck
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
We should give our hands and help each other with this. Let's share our knowledge in this issue.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] smart1:
Is there an update on dialer skin ready yet?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] tom_codon:
Try it :

http://rapidshare.com/files/36694772/Wizard_reTOUCHed_Dialer2.cab.html
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mattk_r:
crap. I just realized all those registry settings didn't stick - I must have soft reset before powering off - and the registry didn't save. damn.

re-entering again, and trying.

I'm gonna play with the fingerpressure setting - maybe FFFFFFFF or 0? Hmmm....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
:D llllllllllllooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllll :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
It's not a skin, it's a complete dialer with smartdial..

Working great, I updated the file, no more wrong gprs/wifi icons.

And I fixed the smartdial-settings bug.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
I was wondering, in a demo I saw, the touchflow UI was invoked by touching the plastic beneath the LCD, and then with a finger gesture over the screen.

So could it be there is a proximity sensor (biosensor) just beneath the screen?

If that is true, we might have to patch the software so that a hardware button-click emulates the bio-sensor (for lack of better words)..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
Yes, u have to click on the HTC logo to enable the bio sensor,

U bring a good point, we can just assign that bio sensor to any button we want, that should do the same job.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] jawnsixteen:
I think that is more in the direction we need to go. I noticed the same when the "biosensor" was pressed in the demo, it seemed like it was the trigger that activated the actual touchflow. Can we get a conformation of this? Or was the person holding the phone just exaggerating their actions?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Zack84a:
after watching this video of some actual use of the touch

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/htc_touch/

it definitely appears like the bio feature is dependent on size of the touch (ie finger versus stylus) and where you touch the screen (notice when he uses the cube program that he always clicks on the black edges of the screen)..

Best bet might be to map a button that would simulate the finger press to bring up the cube application... from there we could just as easily use the dpad to flip through it....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
This time I made something that the Touch lacks rather than port something:

Blimkeys black edition, should intergrate well with all the stuff we got so far :)

We need anything else? :P
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
I found out that there are references to StartupAnimationEngine.dll in:

HTCUtil.dll

Htc_Lib.dll

PLAYSND.dll (sound)

It seems that Htc_lib.dll does (a part of) the init , among others it starts the animation.

But I haven't found a way to start it..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
Good one, but I think it misses the "delete" button and T9

anyway

HTC already has a good phone pad with finger friendly interface
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
to delete swap the stylus from right to left, never felt much for T9, but maybe that can be fixed.

Get me any SIP you like and I'll see what I can do with it, this one was easy to fix in these colours :)

I'll see what I can do with that one but I don't really like it myself, will be hard to intergrate it well too.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
probly change the color of original HTC phone pad to nicer color, cuz it's so ugly when using the grey theme.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] patryq:
Looks great, thanks. But there is one thing missing in this pad: <- to del what you typed. I know that I can just select sth and write on it, but del, or <- would be helpful.

Edit: And what about space? Its even more important :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
I didn't make blimkeys, but I can always take a look if there's room to edit stuff.

Will do some research soon on SIP's and see if there's any that's worth editing.

For any additional features bug this guy: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=716448
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Guys...have you watched that vid ?

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/htc_touch/

It has another MMS ...or is it just me ?

besides...i think it will be pretty difficult to port that biotouch to our wizard...

It is active all time...and it's even used in internet explorer (just a drag down and the text auto scrolls or some smart minimise )
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bowlopho:
i like the iphone keyboard. It's easier to use to type
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bowlopho:
have you guys used icontacts?

it has a great feature with the scrolling. If there was a way to incorporate this in most of the major programs than who needs touchflo!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
Are you guys having any news?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Mr. Vi:
From where did you got

HTCUtil.dll

and

Htc_lib.dll?

They aren't in my dump folder?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
When created the OEM and sys packages, they are in:

OEM\OEMAPPS\HTCUtil.dll

and

OEM\OEMdrivers\Htc_lib.dll
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mirage22:
just a thought...

I was looking at this particular entry in the registry... and what does it mean?

"FingerPressure"=dword:a8c

If, let us assume that there is no special screen that can actually differentiate between a tap by a stylus and a tap by your finger, then the game is being played entirely by the software...

which means, is this registry entry telling the software to check the radius of the touch on the screen? instead of the pressure?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mirage22:
am surprised... not a single HTC engineer is a member of our community? or are they sitting and silently observing us all the time?? (perhaps having a laugh, at times)

HeY!! time to contribute guys !!!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
they are all taiwan people

probly i can find someone in chinese forum
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] infrared411:
im not an expert in drivers or touch screens but i have had desktop touch screens that reacted to input differently. one of those wasnt pressure sensitive but had an app that could sense how hard you were pressing on it by meassuring the the surface area around your finger. you see if you press your finger on the screen lightly ur fingertip flatens against it the softer or harder you press the more or less screen realestate your finger takes up. the point is i had alot of programming choices with a cheapo touch screen where i made a racecar game that you had to push a little harder to go faster so its not entirely impossible to get the touchflo cube and other touch goodies to work for us. that is if it is device driver related errors or just the way our ppc's touch screens are passing data to these .dll's. btw does anyone have a clue why the homeplug and audio manager wont run on a wm5 device. and why do some of the touch software give a certificate error when you try to run them? oh yea good point mirage22 i have seen touch screens on periphials that had a resistive touch screen overlayed on a capacitive touch screen that kinda gave you the benifits of both worlds plus it allowed multiple touches to occur at the same time so......
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
I have post the thread to get some help from Taiwan's PDA forum.

Hope some HTC engineers will come here help us out
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mirage22:
great eric!! lets hope some htc engineer walks in..

and being taiwaneese should not be a problem! They make english roms too, right? :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mirage22:
http://www.htctouch.com/

Looks like the HTC logo at the bottom of the screen has something to do... take a look at the demo under the option - touch!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
check this out

TOUCHFLO on dopod 9k..... herms
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mirage22:
Great !!! So what does that mean in plain english??? Did u port it? Successfully? ;)

how does one write/draw something using a stylus on a touch screen. It is a continuous movement by the stylus that is recorded. Right?

Hence, the movement of a finger up or down, that activates scrolling is not multi-point. This is all software driven...

Ok, time to break apart the HTC UI and see what's underneath it...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
Where did you saw that?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] blackgear:
How do you know for sure that it is running on the herms?

My flash phone (that's how i call it) is now at a friend of my.

Because his Phone is broken. Have to wait till i get it back.

Then i will do some reseach to.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] zoki:
I'm trying to run touchflo on wizard for two days. Control panel icon is no problem, I can run all screens (quckdial, minimediahub and aplauncher, even biotouch) but I think that problem is that black surface outside display is also touch-sensitive and values doesn't match.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
Can you put some pics here??
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
Is this thread alive?!

I hope so...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] TechniKal:
You can also activate and run the cude using a stylus. i persoannaly dont think there is any kind of bio finger detection or else it would not work with plastic.

am sure it all software
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Zack84a:
Not sure if I agree..... based on looking at videos, and reading up on reviews of people who have the phones... its been said that the screen feels spongy in comparison to a normal htc phone

my hypothesis....

First Guess

The hardware is different.... The screen on the on the Touch can detect the difference between just a stylus (ie a small area) and a finger (more importantly a large area pushing the screen) or instead of areas of the push, how hard you hard pushing thus the registry entries for pressure

For instance the scrolling in browser works like the iPhone when using your finger and pressing down... however when you use the stylus you can actually select text (ie the screen doesn't scroll)... The software is what distincts the difference between what is happening on the screen.

So if possible i think the focus would be on mapping one of the wizard buttons to to simulate a finger press instead of a stylus... perhaps holding the camera the voice button would activate the "touch" ability...

couple of people have suggested that the touch ability comes from the black surrounding, and that it activates the touch part... if true.. then idea of mapping this to a button would still be needed. However in watching videos of the touch, the scrolling function works without touching the black areas.

just my thoughts.... and I could be completely wrong... just really interested if we can mimic this on our wizards:D :D :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
The only part I am interested is the "Cube".

This could be run on other devices than the HTC Touch.

All of the other stuff like smart-scrolling is related to the screen (pressure and size of touched surface), this can't be incorporated.

To start up the Cube we need to mimic the bio-sensor by mapping a hardware key to it, using a program that will inject the right call to the touchflo UI.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Fun_Fuction:
have a look at http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/he...t-developers-porting-touchflo-elf-hermes.html

maybe u'll find somthing usefull..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] blackgear:
i was looking at some of the video's of the touch? and i start woundering. Does touchflo works with a stylus? if it works it must be possible to work on the wizard.

Few days ago somebody came out with iContact for the PPC it works fine and also works with touch maybe we should ask him for help
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bowlopho:
icontacts has been our for months.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
The difference reception of stylus and finger is not a big problem...You could do that with our Wizard too...It's just a matter of determining a surface ..in pixels which could activate the biotouch (finger touch)

Our wizard has an similar option...it's used somewhat like an error free area...something like tolerance...I am pretty sure that this is not the actual problem here. Or ..i may be wrong
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
Hey guy's! Any news ???
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] kegobeer:
About what?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] blackgear:
does that change anything?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] cyberdrakula:
Is there any softwares or testing utilities out there where we can actually test the Touch Screen Tap Areas for PPC ?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1316691&postcount=580

extracted some more touch apps from the rom, included al depended dll's.

Got no idea how to extract the register, or where to find a dumped one, so maybe someone could take a look at it?

Any other programmes I'm not aware of worth extracting?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] ericlin0122:
We need to port touch.dll cuz it contains aBiotouch inside which references to Biotouch.exe....

This is not that easy at all.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] iruja:
Nope, had the voice recorder, streaming media and camera working without that dll.

Put them there but it wasn't appriciated so removed them, they just needed a little bit of work.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] joaosousa:
Please post a cab when the camera is fine... Thanks!

keep on the good work Iruja! ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] TheWizzard2203:
i'm very curious....