yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Good for you. Just checked it out and was nearly tempted (there's a similar priced refurb here [correction: more expensive @ ~630USD, our prices suck] with 3 years Dell warranty), but actually I prefer having two USB ports and AC available at the same time. An'y'know, 16:9 euch :).

Still seriously considering a Surface Pro 3 (hey Pipo it's your own fault for dragging your heels), but their used prices also suck in the UK right now. When the SP4 hits the 3 prices will drop, but that could be as late as Sep... hmm.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Pompmall now says "presale for 2-3 weeks". And via email:

"So sorry that PIPO W8 still can not order now and we also can not make sure that when will it can. Since our supplier said, the tablet have some hardware problem need to improve. And about the Teclast X1 Pro, it will be released about 20 days later. But it only with Chinese language now. Shawin"
[Windows 8 General] murdic:
The W8 product page at pipo.com says a Windows license is optional, and although I've asked at each of the advertisers, I haven't been able to find out whether the OS is 64 or 32-bit. I've had a Pipo W5, the 8" with a stylus, and it had a screen layer bonding issue that someone else noted on their W3, looks like a bubble between layers, and now the tablet's bluescreen. The information's too nebulous, the build quality too uncertain for me.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
That sucks. I thought I had bubble issues on my W3 early on, but it was a screen protector (they sent it already attached). I took it off eventually.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
My 64GB W8 is on way to the UK now - due for delivery on Tuesday :D
[Windows 8 General] NeoMatrixJR:
Fair warning, Hendrickson, who does the reviews for techtablets.com ordered one on Ali Express and they said they shipped it and even sent him a fake tracking number.
[Windows 8 General] murdic:
Ali Express aren't the vender, they're like Paypal, with fidelity arrangements that work very well, in my experience. I've seen a couple of disputes over supply both resolved very much to the buyers' satisfaction, and even one where Ali Express refunded thinking that the vendor had defaulted, when the goods had actually been delivered. Tracking numbers are public and visible. It's inconvenient if things go wrong, not catastrophic.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
[MENTION=1432428]teledude[/MENTION] where did you buy it from? Nobody seems to have stock. And which version? Looking forward to your impressions :).
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
The Chinese sellers often now use strange arrangements where they first ship to another country like Holland and then use their postal service for the rest of the journey. That happened to me with the W3. The tracking no. they gave me was from that postal service, and it only worked once it arrived in that country. So the no. Hendrickson got may or may not be fake.

I think they do it as many postal services have forbidden items with internal lithium batteries, as they sometimes catch fire on planes. So they use creative shipping routes to get the speed of airmail without the restriction. Very confusing, though it can work out well.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
New version of Cube i7 will have a Wacom digitizer: http://liliputing.com/2015/06/cube-i7-stylus-tablet-features-core-m-cpu-wacom-digitizer.html

Interesting! But only 16:9 (sigh).
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
I'm having a few issues with sellers telling me they have stock and then before the order auto cancels they give you a fake tracking number to stop this. Seems no one has stock yet. Maybe next week I'm told, i'm still waiting. Have been for about 3 weeks now since my failed order.

A few use PostNL which goes to the Netherlands first then onward to EU destinations minus any taxes, good for people in the EU. My tracking number was fake, confirmed by DHL customer support as not a valid number from them. And later my seller changed the number, then after 2 days asked if it was okay to be shipped if it's only in Chinese and English. They lied to me to get the sale and then did the fake tracking number thing to stop it from canceling. I had to dispute this and get a refund, nothing was sent even with a valid tracking number second time around and it just wasn't ever collected by DHL. 2 weeks lost.

There are to many sellers on there now pulling this crap, stating shipping in 3 business days, means we will ship it or give you a fake tracking number and later give you the real tracking number once it ships later. The best part is in chat they say they have stock and even send you photo of some generic boxes of the "apparent" stock in hand ready to send the next day.... :eek:

The Pipo W8 does look good all apart from the eMMC of course, which is a same. I hope it's a real ssd in there but chances are it's not if the Pipo site says eMMC.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Ok that sucks, I've seen the same myself, an Ali seller lied to me over and over, before and during the order, they even shipped by boat which took over 2 months to arive.

The taxes thing didn't work out on my W3 either even though it went via NL post, as the seller filled out the customs form wrong and refused to accept any responsibility afterwards, even though I went to great lengths to explain what they did wrong. Sure you can get a refund via Ali for bigger problems, but they can be slow to process it and it doesn't give you the weeks or months of your life back that you wasted, nor the time wasted on emails and despairing at how vile some people are.

We really need some kind of independent feedback system where we can rate the good and bad sellers. How about setting something like that up on your site H.?
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Mine is showing tracked to my local DHL so should be in my hands tomorrow. It's a grey 64GB. If all is well I'll post the sellers info up here :)
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Monday, June 08, 2015	Location	Time	Pieces

16	With delivery courier	LAMBETH - UK	09:50

1 Pieces
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
It does exist and is here :D

Just converting to English now.... :)
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Full reinstall of 8.1 done... Just the touchscreen drivers to find! Pics etc up soon.
[Windows 8 General] dzp:
Can you post, please, pictures, if will be possible, with startup screens? For view possibilities to try loading some GNU/Linux distribution.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Why did you have to reinstall? To get the full Win Pro on there? There are guides out there to convert a Chinese system to English (just had to do that on another tablet).
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
None worked :( Ended up blue screening on boot :(

All done but cant find 64bit goodix hid drivers.... have emailed pipo :)
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
I would reinstall the original OS from the recovery partition, after all they may have customised it and you'll get all the drivers. I think I used this guide:

https://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/window-8-1-tablet-changing-chinese-to-english-language/

There's also an extra step to copy the English settings to the signon account (else boot/log-on and shutdown text stays in Chinese). I can dig that out if you like.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
There it is: http://superuser.com/questions/505989/how-to-change-default-login-lock-screen-of-windows-8
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
It had 8.1 Bing single language which wont take another language - I battled with it for 4 hours earlier :D

Loving it though except the lack of touchscreen now! Included keyboard is very nice to type on :)
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Ah, so you tried to hack in a MUI language?

I changed the language on a recent Teclast using the guide and it worked fine, I think it was 8.1 Bing too so I'm suprised it didn't work (but I'll check later to be sure).

Ah, you got the keyboard included! Who sold it? Pompmall seem to be selling it now (even though they still have the 'presale' label on their pages, but they're taking payment).

How's the performance, does it throttle when you run something CPU intensive? Does it get hot on the back then?
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Performance is good, v good. Back does get rather warm yes - installed 8.1 over USB3 VERY quick :D

Came from a private seller on ebay - Ill check if I can share details here :)
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Wow what a saga!

Managed to get the english firmware from Baidu Pipo site - took an age! The 8.1 key injected in the bios is for 8.1 OEM and not 8.1 SL OEM - so now waiting on Pipo for a new key :D
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Sounds like this is the problem Pipo were fixing which caused the delay with the international shippers. Your seller probably sent you an early Chinese SL unit. Any buyers should check first if theirs is set to English.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
[IMG="diskbench"]http://i.imgur.com/B1PjOzn.jpg[/IMG]
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Those are SSD speeds! No chance of a mistake [MENTION=1432428]teledude[/MENTION]? We were expecting EMMC.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Just rerun it - same... device manager is showing a FORESEE 64GB SSD :D
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Sweet, starting to look real nice. If you get time, can you see if the CPU throttles back the mHz with a 100% CPU application after a while?

BTW, how can you tell the BIOS Win key is SL? Or that the OS is SL? I'll check that Teclast tablet later.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
BIOS key isnt SL and English image is - checked with MS direct :)

Will bench it later today to check the throttling for you :good:
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
:cool:
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Pipo BBS confirms it's SSD. From the Google translation ('propaganda' = advertising):

"Propaganda written by EMMC, but said Tuesday that monthly SSD, propaganda wrong, but also made a teardown figure it out prove SSD, but I did not QQ screenshots. . "
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Load the CPU to 100% and it hits 1.98ghz and then drops to 1.43ghz quickly....
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Is this with GPU load too, or just CPU?

For +GPU that's expected, but bad if only CPU.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Check this for in-depth Core-M performance tests (see the other pages too). Good thermal management is crucial to get sustained performance and some devices suck at it.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Was just CPU but with a random app so who knows - installing PC Mark 7 now...

SCORE

3197 with Intel HD Graphics 5300 Mobile(1x) and Intel Core M-5Y10c Processor
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Nice, I thought it might have been an error listing it as an eMMC. It just seemed wrong, having a Core M and then an eMMC for a bottleneck, Mine still hasn't shipped out from China :(
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Thanks, I'll run it on my W3 later to compare. I actually need good sustained performance as I run some pro audio apps on it, they tend to hog the CPU consistently (constantly streaming and processing).
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
How is the screen is it bright and is it laminated or with a gap between the glass and the IPS ?
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Screen brightness looks good next to a pro 3 and I'm fairly sure it's laminated together.

Back gets toasty when used heavily!
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
How's the colour saturation & black level vs the SP3?
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Just put the two side by side - and both mine and the SP3 owners opinion is the screen is nicer on the Pipo :cool:
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Good to hear, how is the build quality and is there a slot fo an ultrastick for 3G. Mine is shipping in a few days now with geekbuying and it's all in Chinese it seems :( I sent you a pm for info on the English rom which I can later mirror on my site.

Are you able to take a drivers dump to using doubledriver?
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Drivers - https://mega.co.nz/#!XcVVgLzL!ypS2zKNPue2iT0btUz2Y5TZLgp2jcAkXIsulYIjcV-4

---------- Post added at 12:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 PM ----------

No ultrastick slot - build quality is better than the w3 :good:
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Thanks, I'm trying to download the English image from Baidu, it's awful slow and times out most of the time.

ENglish Pipo W8 Win 8.1 image is here: http://pan.baidu.com/s/1o6usNuM#path=%2FW8%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E7%B3%BB%E7%BB%9F
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
W3 (on AC): PC Mark 7 1.4.0 score: 2459

(we should really be running PC Mark 8 though, 7 mis-detected most of the hardware).

But that's obviously the whole system, can you run a CPU-only bench [MENTION=1432428]teledude[/MENTION]? Something that uses all cores and runs for a while?
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
If you can set me up some form of FTP I can upload it direct from the UK :)
[Windows 8 General] mrgardiner:
Thanks you for the initial information on this unit! Can you say how long it takes to boot into android and what version they are using. The website mentioned being stuck on whatever version they ship it with. I am wondering how hard it will be to Root. Can you share a price from the EBay seller? I am in Japan and I saw the link to Deal Machines, but wondering if there might be something local.

Thanks!
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Its a Windows 8.1 tablet :)
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
PM sent with details of the FTP server.
[Windows 8 General] mrgardiner:
Thanks for the quick reply! Oops, I guess I was hoping for too much. I thought some of the early release information mentioned win8 and android dual boot. A few of the supplier on Aliexpress also may have mentioned the option. Maybe it is for special order? Probably wishful thinking on my part.:confused: It must have been W8 search results mixed with their other dual boot systems.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Really slow - will upload to mega and send you the links :)
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Oh really? It has a 500Mbps port, It's in the USA and might be slow of that or because people are hammering it downloading X98 Air 3G roms...
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Should be up on mega soon... Still awaiting a new key from pipo....
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Thanks, have downloaded all the files now overnight and now uploading them to my server to mirror.

DOes USB 3 work at full usb 3 speeds, on the Teclast X1 Pro an Cube i7 the USB 3 ports have issues and run at only usb 2 speeds. And do you think the W8 would be ease to open? Just wondering if I could replace that 64GB M.2 (I think) With a 256gb one.

Edit: Teledude, also did it comes with a keyboard? I was under the impression it came with one liek the Pipo W3 I had, but Geekbuying said it's the tablet only on my one which sucks. Do you know if the connector the 5 pong connector has the same fitting as the W3/W1? I would be able to use a Pipo W3 keyboard then at least. Thanks mate.
[Windows 8 General] dzp:
Good idea. It is interesting, what exactly motherboard using in PIPO W8, also. Can be the same, as, for example, in Cube i7? And if so, who is real manufacturer of this motherboard.

It will be interesting too, who is the real manufacturer of the W8 screen.
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
They are normally the mfg's own design and made in mass by foxconn in China, I'm 90% sure the Pipo uses either an M.2 if not it's an mSata ssd, that can be replaced.

The screen manufacturer is easy to find, just look at the hardware id in monitor properties or use HWinfo to have a look.
[Windows 8 General] dzp:
Hendrickson, thank you very much for information. Hopefully, there M.2.

Probably, teledude may look.

By the way, I do not like Acer, but meet information about Acer Aspire Switch 11 V - 11,6 1920 х 1080, Intel Core М 5Y10. Will wait for prices.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Screen is a Panasonic panel :)
[Windows 8 General] dzp:
Thank you, teledude. So, we can suppose now, that PiPO W8 is a modular :) tablet from, at least www.intel.com, www.foxconn.com and www.panasonic.com.
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
I have uploaded the English WIndows 8.1 image and the drivers dump from [MENTION=1432428]teledude[/MENTION] (thanks for that) here: http://techtablets.com/pipo-w8/downloads/
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Add to that Toshiba, Hynix or Samsung Ram, Realtek wireless and others. They all share common parts these Chinese tablets. I imagined they would be generic unknown branded parts and screens. Cheap knock offs, that might have been the case a few years ago. But they source known brand components which is a plus.
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
Windows 10 installing now :D
[Windows 8 General] teledude:
10 build 10130 working well - love the new interface :)
[Windows 8 General] arctophile:
Thanks teledude, this is quite exciting. I hope they bring out a Wacom-enabled version to compete with Cube. The i7 looks nice and all, but 16:9 for portrait tablet use (which is how I mark exams, make notes etc) is unpleasant.

EDIT: Found a seller advertising 2 on ebay (1 sold; maybe yours teledude!) but they want US$550 for 64gb version. Seems a bit steep given there are Dell Venue Pro 7140 refurbs going for about US$375 now. Why oh why do all the big brand Core M options have to have 16:9 screens. Sigh.
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
Mines finally arriving today, after going through 3 sellers on Ali Express I got it with Geekbuying.com it's on the DHL van out for delivery. I guess I'll be busy installing Windows 8.1 in English. Yes $550 is expensive from ebay, but geekbuying and aliexpress have it for around $459 I was thinking about the venue 7140 refurbs to. But I have to pay 21% tax on that with the global shipping and it works out more than the 16:10 2560 x 1600 pipo w8 which is the draw here, that screen should be much much better than the Dell Venues.

I'm hoping my Chuwi Vi10 keyboard will fit the W8, [MENTION=1432428]teledude[/MENTION] did you get a keyboard with your one? I heard they aren't included and Pipo have just reused the average W3 keyboard for it. The Chuwi Vi10 keyboard will not doubt be to wide and short, but it is better than the W3 one and the connector looks to be the same.
[Windows 8 General] dzp:
Congratulations! So, now you can correct your signature a lil ;). Will be interesting your impressions of the device.
[Windows 8 General] Wootever:
[MENTION=1167021]Hendrickson[/MENTION]

Could you please make a bios dump?

I have ordered this tablet as well but couldn't find any bios dump or update yet.

This fptw package should be compatible with core m.

fptw64 -d backup.bin
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Cool [MENTION=1167021]Hendrickson[/MENTION], very interested in the CPU throttling behaviour / benchmark. And your screen impressions.
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
I'll get onto it soon and upload it for everyone.

I've got a video here of my unboxing and hands on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWFo_n4aLe4&list=PLVJ5yuUCk8wAZeolpgc6Z39xJmQKEkDsL&index=1

It's my 3rd Core M from China now and it's build is better than the Onda v116w Core M, but worse than the Cube i7. The screen is NOT laminated/OGS/Bonded at all and I have a bit of dust between the layers :(. The screen is not as bright as I would have hoped, only about 250cd/m. But it's very sharp and has good black levels and colors which makes up for that.

The USB 3 port works at full usb 3 speeds which is great, I was worried it might have been on a USB 2 hub like the Cube i7 or Teclast X1 Pro 4G

Thermals and benchmarks are coming soon, I'm working on it.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Superb [MENTION=1167021]Hendrickson[/MENTION].

Pipo added a reset button! I hope this is in response to my nightmare with BIOS-bricking the W3 by accidentally disabling USB (and there being no way to reset BIOS settings once you do) - if so, at least they're listening.

re. no screen lamination - I wanted it, but in some ways it may be a good thing: if the digitizer breaks, I expect it's far easier to swap it out yourself than with a bonded display, where you'd probably have to swap out the LCD too?

The screen brightness is disappointing as I need to use it outdoors. Wonder if it's a hard limit of the panel, or software limit to save battery (if so maybe it can be defeated). If you find out the panel model no (Device Manager?), I can lookup the datasheet. Strange that the Chinese manufacturers rarely quote screen brightness in their advertising.

12V 3A is pretty beefy.

Build quality/port misalignments are very disappointing, though it's possible they'll tweak it for later runs. The exposed digitizer ridge is also strange and seems a very bad idea, makes it more fragile. On the W3 the case slightly overlaps the digitizer. They probably wanted to remove that overlap so it doesn't get in the way of your fingers, but leaving the digitizer exposed (ie. not even flush with the case) seems the worst of both worlds!

I would have gambled the W3 keyboard would fit. As you say in the vid, maybe they want to force you to buy the new one. But I think it's more likely that they wanted to make it more stable (although the W3 seems plenty stable on its own) - note the wider holder spacing and wider holders. So, anyone wanting a keyboard MUST make sure the seller has it - and triple-check, they often don't know what they're talking about.

Looking forward to your other vids (no rush of course). Also try the speakers please, see if they're as tinny as the W3's.
[Windows 8 General] Wootever:
This might be a bit complex, but if it's not laminated chances are good you can disassemble the display and clean it up.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
I cracked my W3 digitizer just opening it up (on the side where the Ultrasticks slides in, as it's structurally weaker there). The clips were super-tight and getting them open stressed the case too much there. Might be OK if you're really careful, but risky.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
... actually maybe they exposed the digitizer so they can replace it without removing the case? That would make sense for them, easier repairs.
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
I've recorded a video going into some more detail with the W8 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2vxCUbHk-Q

The screen is not laminated to reduce costs and for easier repair I think, I prefer laminated displays like the Cube i7, Surface 3 etc as they do look so much nicer and aren't effected by reflections so much.

The speakers (tested in the video) seem to be the same or worse than the W3's, tiny and they lack volume. So far the Chuwi Vi10 has the best speakers I've heard on a Chinese tablet.

I could but it seems they might have glued the front and rear sections together, I don't want to risk breaking this tablet just to blow some dust out as much as it bothers me.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
[MENTION=1167021]Hendrickson[/MENTION], thanks for the video, very useful. From it I see the panel is the Panasonic VVX10T022N00: http://www.panelook.com/VVX10T022N00_Panasonic_10.1_LCM_overview_24179.html

It's quoted as 400cd/m2 which is plenty bright, so Pipo are probably software limiting the brightness to preserve battery life. Maybe that can be defeated?

re. your Geekbench results: 1820 single core, 3489 multi-core - how long does benchmark for each test run for?

The Atom Z3775D chip in my W3 seems to score around 970 / 2800 at the higher end (I haven't tested it myself yet): http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?utf8=✓&q=z3775d

So yeah the single-core is about 2x the W3 as expected, but the multi-core is only about 24% faster. That is disappointing for heavier multi-tasking and multi-core intensive apps (like my pro audio stuff). For someone like me, an actively-cooled i5 that doesn't throttle is a better bet. I'll wait to see what SP4 does, and what happens to used SP3 prices before deciding.

Oh yeah re. your annoying dust, could it be under the screen protector?