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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] digitaloutsider:
And people wonder why there are so few developers in the scene anymore. Unreal. I was happy to pay the $20 for Sunshine back when I had my DROID MAXX.

Glad I went with the Nexus 6 instead of the Turbo for my personal line..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ganggreen30:
There's so few developers because young android was easier to develop for Now is much harder and time consuming so it weeds out the, well how can I say it... The rookie developers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
That is exactly what people are saying. What is there not to like about mofo? It's not one click and it costs money? This is xda where you are expected to learn something or stay on stock, and respect developers time (whether that means donating or ponying up for a service).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mykalmunlight:
The new XDA where people nag you to do things the way they do instead of finding another solution or possibility. Everyone's been so negative in here lately. Why are you guys even in here if you aren't interested?

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Yeah he is right ☝
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GeoFX:
I don't want to make it seem it's just you but I feel there is a strong sense of entitlement amongst the Android crowd these days for obtaining root and an unlocked bootloader for brand-new devices and for free without appreciation of how much time it takes to find an exploit and develop the method. Get off your high horses and if you don't want to pay, then don't. Eventually someone will find a way to root it and distribute the knowledge for free but by then you would've probably moved on to a new phone and will complain about that one! :rolleyes:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Exactly. When you buy a locked phone, that's your fault. Expectations on a locked device should be the stock experience with the version of android that came with it. If that's not what you're in to, then buy a phone with an unlocked bootloader. If you did, then you still shouldn't have any expectations unless you yourself do the development. I love it when a new locked phone comes out and XDA explodes with people crying for root.

On topic, there is supposedly progress on getting permanent root using this method on a write protected device (att note 4).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ceelos218:
ok we need to get on point instead of nagging one another on paying 20$ or not for any root method.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
Let me set this straight - I don't mind donating to a developer - I don't mind paying if I feel it is worth the price - but I feel if I pay for a product and use the product according to the makers instructions with the makers provided files (not 3rd party files - those would be on me) then I have a reasonable expectation that things will work out fine. I would never expect a dev to stand behind my stupid actions but if you sell a product you should stand behind your own work.

The actual new spirit of xda is this idea that developers are entitled to donations/pay where it used to be a form of thanks for sharing what they do as a hobby. Again if they came out and said that they would stand behind THEIR PROGRAM using THEIR IMAGE ONLY with checks to be sure that was all that had been used (ever) then I would have no issue. But I was raised that you stand behind your work if you expect to be paid for it. When I fixed small engines for a living if my repair failed or caused damage to the customers equipment I fixed it for free. If the customer caused it to fail by improper usage they paid. That is fair.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] localceleb:
Mind sharing a link to the note 4 thread for people who would like to follow the progress? It may be helpful for some...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
I see where you are coming from with this, and agree that he should be offering new images to flash (ie continued support). In fact, about a month ago he actually would post images he didnt make on the Original Post of the Mofo thread without giving credit to the makers (ie computerfreak) ... i had to request him to give credit to these image makers in the post.

However, you saying that developing at this level is considered a "hobby" seems sort of ignorant. The amount of work (im assuming) that went into this far surpassed the hobby level.... We (turbo users) demanded a root method, and so based on the demand, someone went out of their way to supply the demand for financial return.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Guys, can we PLEASE get over these paid/not paid arguments. If you want root use the method of your choice. If you are not willing to show support for dev's hard work, then do not use their root method. Use another root method, wait until something else comes along, or try and do something yourself. Its pretty black and white. There is a reason no one wants to support the Turbo...

ANYWAYS BACK ON TOPIC

KingRoot, appears to be very unstable. It doesn't want to root the device every time you try. The phone will crash. If it fails mid root attempt it will auto launch on reboot. If you uninstall it after a failed attempt a white screen will flash then go away after reboot. I have tried it many times factory resetting each time. While yes it does work, it sometimes doesn't.

For what its worth, it kinda works.

Also at one point my phone "died" here's a snipit that I had from the logcat I was running, haha.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=57243935
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
The kingroot app leaves a few files on your sdcard partition after running - could this be the exploit /and or/ su files needed to run this without "calling home"?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Has anyone tried out Sunshine with Kingroot? According to a series of tweets (ex here) using kingroot might give you a window to unlock using Sunshine on some devices. I'm curious to see if this could work, but I am too lazy to flash back to stock to try it. I've also been too lazy to try Flashfire with Kingroot, but I thought I would throw it out there.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Sunshine did not work after rooting with KingRoot, nor will it work unless it is added to sunshine.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
You guys seen this? http://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/one-click-root-tool-android-2-x-5-0-t3107461?nocache=1
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Thanks for the share! Finally its translated(mostly) into English. Glad to see they came to XDA. Maybe more users will feel comfortable with the root method. I have used the Chinese Version, I just downloaded this one I am going to give it a try.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Cool. Let me know how it goes.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Failed the first two times. I rebooted to recovery and wiped cache and re-installed the new english kingroot and it worked like a charm.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Does it survive reboot by chance?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sting5566:
Does it survive a reboot?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Unfortunately it does not survive reboot. Should survive soft reboot. Moto is hard to keep persistent root on due to WP. Who know what may come in the future! Hopefully this method becomes more stable with development.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mjc2251:
Are you able to install adaway with temp root?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Nope you need WP off to copy the hosts file! Sorry!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Can't you use the symlinks option that we use in computerfreaks image?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
No. The hosts file is in "/system/etc" and you cant create the symbolic link since we can't write to system. The only reason it works with computerfreaks image is that the symlink was made when he was editing the system image. Therefore when you flashed the image the symlink was already there. Allowing it to work properly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
So this is worse than the current Mofo root. Thanks for clarifying.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Hah, no not necessarily. If a BL unlock method ever comes we will need root. Why download and flash an entire system image which takes a long time just to run another exploit? Run this for 2 mins, then run whatever is to come then you're done. Also its free.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sunscape:
Until you come up with something better and for free!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
This isn't necessarily worse. Nearly the same as mofo root and for free! Plus its cool how a quick reboot you can go back to stock, yes it's not full root whatsoever but as long as I can at least have greenify work, but when lollipop arrives I can still update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ZuBuLa7La7:
I get root for about 10-15 min and then it's gone, i don't know why.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Until you have to reroot your device because:

1. Your phone rebooted on you.

2. Your battery dies.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Interesting perma-root research happening on the att note 4

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=60713495
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
I haven't encountered any problems like that whatsoever. I'm on day 4 having used this and still no problem whatsoever.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Well only a fool would say that android never reboots on its own or the battery doesn't die. I think you missed my point.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
I have never insulted you and yes I see you point but that's for people that are irresponsible and aren't charging or taking care of their phones. I haven't encountered a reboot whatsoever even without this root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
*Sigh*

Nor did I insult you. Never had a reboot? Go look at your uptime. Running out of juice is irresponsible? Only if you miss an opportunity to charge.

I never implied the method causes instability.

Forget it. Apparently you do not see my point, especially if you felt I insulted you.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Just for the record here "not to take anybody's "side" or anything " Just stating a fact. This is the first Android phone I have ever had that "as far as I know " hadn't rebooted on its own. None that I have known about anyway.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I spend a lot of time staring at my devices due to the nature of my work. Thats how I know they all do it at some point. The only avoidance of it is never installing any apps and always be in a signal perfect environment.

When I am not staring at my devices, I never notice if they reboot or not.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Oh I'm sure they all do. I'm just saying in the past all my other Androids have done it enough to notice and so far I haven't seen this one do it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Mine did unfortunately. It was just rather rare. Still, enough to be a total annoyance if I was temp rooted.

That is the point I was making, which unfortunately some others completely misunderstood.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] richiec64:
how are you all getting this method to work. I've tried through PC and app but they consistently fail over and over.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zefir738:
Do you have USB Debugging turned on?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] richiec64:
Usb Debugging has been on. Is there anything else I need to do? And which way should I use PC or app?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Someone had mentioned turning on mock location.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zefir738:
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention mock location. I have both on and it worked instantly for me from the computer. Also make sure you have the drivers for the Turbo installed on your computer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] richiec64:
Doesn't seem to work either, maybe I'm just one of the unlucky ones where this won't work
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
It tends to be that way. Get a very good WiFi or data connection and try again. If you get a fail and can't attempt to root again, uninstall app then reinstall app, eventually you will get the green check mark.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Some times it takes a couple of trys.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ruledrbrt1:
Just curious, what are you guys doing with this root? Like what root apps are confirmed working with it?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Honestly not much can be dont. Since this root doesn't give the ability to write partition, which limits more of use for the root to actually do commands through an app. Titanium backup can't uninstall system apps legitly, yes it says success full but when you go to settings you then see they are still there plus and or a reboot still there. Two apps that work for sure are greenify and quick reboot. I greenified textra texting app I have and sent myself a text through another phone and I wouldn't see the notification at all that I received a text, meaning the app was actually hibernating. Quick reboot executes the command nicely for reboot but then root goes away after wards.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Temp root with SuperSU instead of kinguser for the Verizon and att note 4: http://news.highonandroid.com/2015/...t-with-supersu-to-the-verizon-and-att-note-4/

I wonder if it's applicable here. Note that this uses kingroot and then a PC script is used to delete kinguser and replace with SuperSU.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
It is applicable!!! Thread is here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=60796071 you need to replace the supersu with the correct version.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
greenify works without root anyway
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Some slight modifications need to be made to that script. I am going to change some things and give it a try.

Edit: Wont work with the turbo, it asks us to update the Su binaries with SuperSu something we can't do.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
New script is up in that thread. Also a recommendation has been to soft reboot using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=simple.reboot.com if you need to.

There are other test scripts near the end of the thread too.

Many people are losing root after a period of time. Not sure why or if we will experience the same.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ntxct:
Question: Why the heavy pursuit in this method?

For how I see it, you'd like to get the same goal as all of us, w/p off. However using this method... oh lets metaphor:

Mofo provided us with a nice wheel. We're all waiting for the engine to come along, but you know what, the wheel rolls and helps, heck you attach the wheel to a barrel, and you have a wheel barrel!

This method provides a square. While you can chisel away at the corners trying to get it to roll, even if you do, you're still waiting for an engine.

Lets work on that engine guys. This root provides a <1% chance at w/p but now provides a 200% increase in off topic questions in this forum. But you do you, Im happy with my xposed, adblock (if I cared, free tethering) that I need.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Yeah I know it does, been using it without root since I got the turbo. With root it works even better though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
imo i think its worth further developing because it uses another exploit... more exploits the merrier
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
The thing is it gives us another attack vector into the system. Odds are when we reach the ability to break WP you'll need access to at least starter root functions. If Mofo was the only way to break the system enough to access what is needed to break WP then everyone will have to run a custom Mofo system then do the steps to break WP. So it's just adding another failure point for someone unlocking their phone. On top of that we have no idea if Mofo will work once 5.1 comes out, but Kingroot's multi prong attack has been shown to work on 5.0.1 and higher devices. So there is a good chance that if we don't get BL unlock before 5.1 comes out we still have a way to root the system.

Pretty much it boils down to, having 1 stick is nice, having 2 sticks is nicer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ntxct:
I'm for as many sticks as we can grab! Though, back when we were waiting for maiko1 to work with rootjunkie in making the video to release mofo, I was checking the forums every 20 mins for an update... After mofo that frequency dropped to once every few hours, eventually once a day. (at that point checking in on w/p progress / info on 5.1 / seeing if there was anyone to help in modifying their images)

However after this method came out, the amount of threads asking to do something that we can already do (so not really helping current root or w/p progress) made stopping by basically unbearable (its literally been 1 week and the "modifying system image guide" isn't even on the front page anymore...)

So ultimately, I'll wait until 5.1 is released and then I'll come back... yes you can tell me don't let the door kick me on the way out or who cares, but this root method literally is driving me from being in this forum.

Oh well.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Im Saint:
I can empathize with this sentiment, however I've kept in mind the fact that Turbo owners are going through a drought. Talking about a new root method is something to talk about even if it's not important. In the same way it drives you away, it keeps some people coming back.

Hurry back! ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
FYI I am sorry for posting a lot of Note 4 information/discussion thread links, but I haven't found anyone openly developing using this method for our device. The ATT and Verizon Galaxy Note 4's both have write protection like our device, so a lot of the things that are being discussed/developed on their side might be applicable to our situation. There is a similar situation to ours in the Droid Ultra area, but they are flashing individual blocks with qdloader. It doesn't sound fun.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
Could the temp WP off (cache write) allow us to "update"the su binary to get the script working? Also could this be turned into a script that could be run "on device" via Android terminal emulator?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
I don't get why this root method that has 2 threads would run someone from these forums any more than the threads for mofo would.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
Im testing things at the moment. Yes it could as long as the proper files were on the sd card.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
Sweet! If you need help testing let me know!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mikeyy233:
im getting installion failed are u guys getting that
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Are you just testing the script as is or are you replacing the binary with the right one and changing the script text?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mikeyy233:
testing and binary fails
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drtweak:
Tried it out. Worked perfect first try. Started up Helium Backup and didn't ask me to connect to PC woot woot.

And to add my 2 cents of this vs the mofo root.

You want to edit, modify syetem, have root all the time, run exposed ect then yea pay the 20 and get mofo. Me i just want root for backup. Thats it. Done. Dont care about anything else. Had a Razr HD Maxx with bl unlock ect. Couldnt find a rom i liked. I just stuck to stock and rooted just for my backups/bloatware removal. Someone like me this is perfect. Need more do the mofo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
So how well is this "sticking" for everyone? If you do a root check or run a root command 3 hours later does it work? I ask because it never seems to stick for me more than a few hours.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drtweak:
Yea came back to report same thing. Doesnt seems to stick for more than a few hours and wont reroot unless you reboot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Wish I knew what exploit it was using to get temp root. I really miss the days of the G1 just typing the root command into the keyboard android was firing off into terminal land.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aviwdoowks:
Really

I thought it worked just like the paid root.

So same as here ? Still useful for backups

http://xdaforums.com/droid-ultra/general/root-kingroot-4-4-4-su-6-7-t3117552
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Has anyone tried running this on an already moforooted phone? I wonder if the root process it uses is any different than if it's on there by itself.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
I dont reboot my phone often, so if I lose root its not a huge deal. Right now I am just looking at being able to wifi tether for a week while on vacation. So assuming I download this, I will gain temp root (until reboot) and then I should be able to use a tethering app. Is this correct, or is this temp root not even a functioning root?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drtweak:
As of now it seems that for most people this temp root method last but a few mere minutes. For me 15 minutes tops
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
Boooooooo Ok thanks for the reply!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
That's weird. It usually last at least a full day for me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drtweak:
Didnt say you couldnt try! Just some people it works for a day or so some no more than 15-30
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PaulPizz:
So any new updates on perm root???
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Technogen:
Besides mofo, nope.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
Downloaded and rooted no issue with kingroot, but cant find a wifi tether that seems to work.. most just load up the subscription thing saying verizon wifi hotspot not activated
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] samuel1003:
kingoroot does not give write permision, it is just a temporary root, does not support reboot either.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aviwdoowks:
How long kingroot lasts depends on what you do while rooted.

Ti restore ability, for Data, is one that goes away soon while GravityBox lasts for days

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BTW the newest version will not work at all on the Maxx.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hotrodwinston:
Someone wanna be guinea pig for 5.1?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zefir738:
For kingroot? I've already tried it and it didn't work at all, though I don't have WiFi (usually 2 bars of H+), so that may have something to do with it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
It doesn't work.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aviwdoowks:
Try installing, fails

Then reboot & uninstall

Reboot twice

Start over
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drexhex:
Is this instructions, or what you tried?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Granted, recovery now looks better, but is still far from a proper recovery.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aviwdoowks:
I have had to resort to those steps on my Droid Maxx & would try the same if I had a Turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drexhex:
Am on the soak released on rootjunky's site. Factory reset this morning.

Installed, tried to root. Got to about 50% then fails.

Rebooted, tried again. Same result.

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Uninstalled, then rebooted twice.

Installed KingRoot 4.1 again and tried to root...

Root failed.