yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Lol, "as they say" boy the isocell owners are really pretending to be blind or simply blind.... more blurr, more noise, less color accuracy, yellow tint all over the place in medium/good light, blue/purple tint on very low light and somehow you say that isocell is better on some pictures and sony on another.... GG..
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
On that comparison you can see the differences between them.. On the first post on sammobile about that you can see that at day there is almost no difference. I already edited so many pictures from this smartphone and the color accuracy is pretty good, have nice white balance, even if I like more contrasty pictures.. If you like the Sony more nice to you but it do not means that everyone must have your opinion. Both sensors are already old and on mine opinion samsung would had to use more recent sensor
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
sorry but difference are ridiculous and minimal , no reason to make a thread for this
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
The first photo in comparison is obviously out of focus. As for other low light photos, isocell's clarity is a bit worse, but the difference in minimal. The tint is present, although it is relatively easy to fix in editor.

Concerning the corner softness, the imx one is noticeably worse on some photos. On some daylight photos there's a ever-so-slight magenta tint on imx if you look on shadows, but it is minimal
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
The first picture isnt out of focus, as you can see the winnie the pooh picture presents the same bad details as the first and second picture.

Corner softness is not an issue with the sensor, corner softness is an issue with the lens, which has nothing to do with the sensor itself at all, my isocell had severly blurred edges compared to my current imx 240, and other isocell has less blurry edges than my old isocell aswell, again, because of the lens.

The daylight mangenta tint is unexistent in any of the photos, the reason you think its mangenta is because you see the isocell with too much yellow tint on them and once the sony sensor reproduces the colors naturally they look less yellow, hence more accurate blues.

As for using the editor to magically add details to an image that does not exist, im sorry to tell you that you cannot restore details that the sensor never captured in the first place.
[Galaxy S6 General] eum1r:
In my observation you are a perfectionist and you are a very fan of sony sensor,well if you dont like our isocell and you hate it so much then go hate it more,your sony sensor is perfect,no one can beat your sensor,maybe because you are the one who makes and engineer the sony sensor,well atleast me as isocell user im happy with it ;) your just making our isocell very very worse than we see...
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
Funny thread, but it's stupid. Close it fast.

I've already posted photos from the 2 sensors which were viewed on 30" monitors. The differences are minimal and only visible in some specific lightning conditions. On the phone screen without zooming 100% they are invisible. Just minor color variations.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
I have decided to keep the new S6 Edge+ with the ISOCELL sensor. The second hand S6 Edge+ with the IMX240 I will send back. Last 24 hours I took many many many pictures, in all different conditions. From bright daylight to completly dark. I compared the pictures on my iMac 5k, and for ME the ISOCELL has a slight advantage above the IMX240. In some conditions the ISOCELL was slighly better and in other conditions the IMX240 has a slight advantage. I compared them all in a EXIF app. It was really a difficult choice to make. But i am happy with overall quality of the ISOCELL. For the upcoming days NO photos for me anymore, i have seen more than enough the last 24 hours. :)

I want to thank you all for the input and advice. I appreciate it very much.
[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
You made the best decision. The new one is always better. In order to camera sensor just enjoy. You will well pleased with anyone.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
I've been used IMX240 for 6 months and ISOCell for 4 months. My conclusion is also ISOCell overall better bcoz it got better WB and AE. The larger file size on IMX240 doesn't mean more details there but IMX240 applied a much higher sharpness filter value and more harder to do jpeg compression.

The only advantage on IMX240 is better high iso performance. I've been told TheWarKeeper that his ISOCell is a bit different than us, I think his production batch got some problem. Clearly, we don't experienced any issues on our ISOCell like him.
[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
BUT THATS THE PROBLEM... I compared my Isocell to my friends IMX240 and its much sharper in low light... where mine could not clearly reproduce text, the IMX240 could and its not a lens defect because in daylight my isocell is actually better in terms of noise/sharpness, by a small margin, and color reproduction. So if you prefer low light IMX240 is better but daylight Isocell is slighty better. The benefits of much better low light capabilities especially when we get the 10s shutter speed and raw capture is substantial compared to the small loss in daylight compared to isocell...
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
All S6 will have the 10s shutter speed and raw..
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
For all people claiming isocell is better than sony imx 240 at least post some pictures non resized, non cropped and with exif data to back up your claims, numerous side by side comparisons have been done (one of them from me) in this forum and all of them were clearly superior on sony imx 240, be it low light, daylight or very low light.

The only people claiming isocell looks better are the people who post no photos or simply photos of isocell and say "its bettur cuz mah pic lookz goodz" hurr hurr....

Seriously, post some pictures or stop trolling.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
You mean this near worthless comparision you made? First they have been heavily compressed by XDA hosting system, the angle is not same and this can affect exposure due to how much sky vs ground is visible. But you can see one has better contrast, detail and dynamic range with less glare and smudging while the other has glare, looks smudgy on the sides, to bright and worse contrast and differences might be mostly due to angle and exposure and they aint even the same resolution! Your comparision gets the grade F. :laugh: :cool:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64433889&postcount=870
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
I've just uploaded a normal user comparison. I'm sure people are pilling up to buy your phone photos that's why you exibit such fine technical knowledge.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
The problem with color reproduction phrase "is better" is that many think it is better becouse it is prettier but doesn't mean it is better. Correct color reproduction is when what you see with naked eye is the same as what is captured on the photo even if it looks worse than same photo with 'vibrancy' and 'contrast' upped (and you watch it on a good monitor/calibrated screen). People tend to hype Iphone photos for looking better just due to contrast and vibrancy being increased in post-processing yet it looks worse and does not match reality giving you blown highlights, oversaturation, lost color detail and decreased dynamic range amongst other uglies but average joe wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a "potato" and a 3000$ DSLR camera and yet act like an armchair expert on the internet. :laugh:
[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
Send me a galaxy with imx 240 and i will make the comparison...

You have an opinion and others have they opinions. Respect that.

You don't have right to criticize the others or make fun of them if they don't think like you.

Seriously, stop trolling with us. Each one likes the sensor what they want. Live with that fact friend.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
I couldnt say it better myself...

Its funny that so many people come to this forum trying to blindly defend something without any clue about photography, no genuine samples or proper testing results. Yet when you come with proper tests and results side by side You are the one beying called fanboy and what not...
[Galaxy S6 General] ~ Myzrael ~:
Weren't you the one who said that the z5 has a great camera...speaking of fanboy...the z5 is the ****fest of the ****ed up post-processing. As you see, everyone tends to have his opinion.

It's curious that you mention the iPhone (which generation? 5? 6? 6s?) as an example of heavy processing when it's a fact that apple processing is one of the lightest, iPhone pics have very little processing and usually they are way less saturated and contrasted than pics coming from other phones. Speaking of armchair experts...

This topic should be closed, it's becoming a mess of fanboysh statements.

Sent from Galaxy S6
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Rofl, commenting on the "bad" Z5 camera (when its chosen even by dx0mark as the best smarphone camera to date) and commenting on post processing when in reality its 1 of the lightest post processing done in camera (mainly removing chroma noise and a very very slight ammount of luminance noise) and then saying iphone 6 has 1 of the lightest post processing when its photos are clearly over saturated and you can barely distinguish colors which are very close to eachother in terms of hue and lighting...

Well done, nice comment!
[Galaxy S6 General] ~ Myzrael ~:
Z5 photos are a mess if you don't retouch them. It's a fact. And very few users have time and prowess to do it, it's a phone not a dslr, if it snaps so so pics by default it's a so so snapper, it doesn't matter if you can make them look good after a manual processing.

IPhone has a light processing, way lighter than, just saying, the s6 or the g4 or the majority of android snappers. It has a very light contrast mask and way more natural colors than the phones we are speaking about in this topic.

Sent from Galaxy S6
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Well, if you looked at the z5 benchmark points would see that is one of the best smarphone camera (with same points that s6 edge +) because have an really nice autofocus system. Even S5 ISOCELL (that you hate so much) had better artifacts, exposure and contrast classification. I had am z5 to review and I have to say that was so much worst that lg g4 and even mine s6. Besides the manual controls that was an joke (if want change iso values the resolution downs to 8mp) the photos came too noisier. I really wanted to like that phone but I couldn't.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Iphone 6 and 6s has 1 of the most aggressive post processing and yet they fail to produce the so great pictures they promised, they oversaturate in daylight, makes almost black and white photos in low light and yet still fails to remove noise properly which actually tries to but the noise reduction algorithm is just crap on iphone 6s...

Heres 2 samples from a review site in low light and daylight iphone 6s left, galaxy s6 right:

Low Light

Left Iphone 6s, Right Galaxy S6

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2015/10/21.jpg

Daylight

Left Iphone 6s, Right Galaxy S6

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2015/10/1.jpg

Now lets stop talking about Iphones and Xperias in isocell vs imx_240 thread please.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
This! And it seems some see things black and white as in ISOCELL not being as good as IMX240 means it is crap. They only see extremes in each direction.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
You are so sure about it. I assume you examined and compared the EXIF data of the two pictures. Are they the same? Please share them.
[Galaxy S6 General] UXELLR:
Hope samsung don`t use their dirty tricks with the S7 also. Rumours says S7 uses Sony Sensor for their first batch also.

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/02/22...ony-imx260-camera-sensor-in-house-audio-chip/

The downgrade of the S6 camera after good reviews was a good one! Awful "Bait and switch" tactics. The isocell is clearly inferior.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s6-s6-edge,4157-6.html
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
I doubt however that they could use ISOCELL variant unless they have applied the focus system onto it to. But since Sony made the sensor it would not seem viable for them. I just think the ISOCELL scandal was due to them having leftover ISOCELL sensors from previous Samsung phones that they wanted to 'get rid of' as other manufacturers wanted Sony sensors instead as they are the better ones for a slightly higher cost.

---------- Post added at 02:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:01 PM ----------

Look midways in this comparision test that "UXELLR" linked in his post above where they stack the ISOCELL vs the IMX240. The verdict is the same as stated by other comparisions and their observations goes inline with what people been saying here regarding differences.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s6-s6-edge,4157-6.html

Excerpt: "Based on these sample images it appears that an S6 with the Sony IMX240 sensor produces better overall results than one with the Samsung S5K2P2 sensor. While the two may be considered equal in certain scenarios, the S6 with Samsung sensor has difficulty setting the white balance correctly, produces oversaturated colors, and suffers a greater loss of detail due to software noise reduction."
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
I have imx 240 on my s6 and a friend of mine who just bought s6 got the isocell sensor.

Just did a rough comparson isocell produced more detailed images with slightly over saturated colors both indoors and out doors.

Is something wrong with my phone?
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Please Post full sized pics with exif data or it never happened.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
ISOCELL sensor makes very good pictures. So, there is nothing wrong with your camera.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Will post some comparison pics tomorrow when I get my friends s6
[Galaxy S6 General] devilsadidas:
How can you tell anymore? It seems they removed the tab to check it
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
You can install Aida64 and see which sensor you have under device Tab.

Hope that helps...
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
A bit offtopic(i know this is a S6 topic) : the S7 seems to have a 12MP IMX260 sensor. At 12MP it has a 4:3 ratio. For a 16:9 ratio you have to lower to 9.1MP. Why this change of ratio by Samsung?

Eventually I want to open a new topic for this.
[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
Read up on photography and you'd understand why a 4:3 sensor is better in many ways compared to a 16:9 sensor
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
For them to fit a 16:9 sensor inside the same lens size it would have to reduce the sensor pixels, which would reduce the light capture quality, which would reduce the quality of any picture taken.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
I will read up, but why is 4:3 better? Today all telephones/tv are wide screen, in that case 16:9 matches better, i think.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Isocell Images
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Imx 240
[Galaxy S6 General] Shipoftheline:
Samsung did say they liked Sonys new sensor, lets be honest Sony do make some of the best camera sensors as do Samsung so its not a bad thing
[Galaxy S6 General] ~ Myzrael ~:
Those are resized, no exif and it's clear that they are taken with different settings (iso, exposure ecc). We can't compare them.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
How to attach full res images?

Selecting attachments resizes the images.

I am new to xda.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
All the images are captured in auto mode.

1. Indoors

Imx240

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AERJS09nnCy5Twk&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

Isocell

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AHPFGL0Hr8oZHeQ&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

2. Indoors Macros

Imx240

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AI-CE5UtQrwZVlE&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

Isocell

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AKJmcHn0aTecgeA&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

3. Outdoors

Imx240

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AGpUrHMIKw6s0a0&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

Isocell

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AC2qZ1Yk40oMqE0&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

4. Outdoors macro

Imx240

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AI1zPJS8d8XTwx8&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

Isocell

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!ALjVlpPErcn-dOU&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

Please have a look and see if these are full resolution images with exif data and let me know.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Also like to add that both the phones are from India and on latest 5.1 android version.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
Do you also have some low light/night pictures to compare?
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
As concluded multiple times the IMX240 just performs better than ISOCELL in almost all situations. It's K.O.

Sony just makes the best sensors. Thats why the S7 has Sony sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Are you talking about the Images that I posted. For me Isocell performed better in every situation.

---------- Post added at 05:30 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 AM ----------

The phone with isocell sensor is not with me so cannot post night pics right now. But will definitely post some when ever I get a chance to play with both the devices.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Thanks for your pictures, but please post them full resolution and unaltered, the pictures you posted are only 1920*1080 instead of the full resolution and contain no EXIF data so its a very difficult comparison.

---------- Post added at 11:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:00 AM ----------

In this comparison the sony sensor looks to be better in outdoors comparison easelly but i believe there has been a different exposure applied so it might be unfair comparison, also something is wrong with your imx_240 camera, the macro shots are too blurry where the isocell sensor are of crisp quality, and sony imx 240 shouldnt be like that (at least mine isnt), possibly you have a defective lens or defective OIS.
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
It looks like your Sensor is faulty. I would go to a Samsung authorized repair center and let it swap against another Sensor. You don't have to pay for this, because of your guarantee.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Images from Imx240 come out brighter but the details and color are better on isocell.

I already visited the Samsung service center, after checking it for few hours they told me that everything is working as it should. They also did reinstall the firmware and said that it should resolve any software issues.

Is there anything else that I can try.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Lol you have to tell them that your pictures come out blurry in macro because possibly the lens is defective or OIS is shaky, no magical software reset will cure a camera lens... and dont act clueless or they will take advantage of you, one time a guy had a very serious camera lens defect with his galaxy s6 isocell camera, every light in low light cutted the image in half because of lighting reflecting on camera lens improperly, so it looked like all lights were cutting off the entire picture when that shouldnt have happened. He was rejected repair saying "it was normal" once he posted pictures in this forum everyone confirmed his camera was defective.

---------- Post added at 01:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:52 PM ----------

Also make sure when taking pictures you dont tilt your smartphone because OIS doesnt do miracles either, it tries to prevent a little bit of tilt but even then it does not always work, look here:

Click pictures to enlarge to 100%

Slightly Tilted macro picture imx_240 sensor:

http://postimg.org/image/b5j2u6p49/

No Tilt macro picture imx_240 sensor:

http://postimg.org/image/3o9veyzl5/

Other No Tilt macro picture imx_240 sensor:

http://postimg.org/image/eqeydetnt/
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
I would go to the repair center again and show them the comparison between other s6 and your one. I also would say, that I have got some focus problems or something like that, so that they have to replace your camera. It is not okay to pay so much money for a device, that has so big differences with identical devices.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
maybe no , and isocell pics are best
[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
I like most the ISOCELL sensor as well
[Galaxy S6 General] flagg1209:
Black S6 128Gb

Singapore (Starhub)

SONY
[Galaxy S6 General] maximemichel:
Black S6 32GB

France - No carrier

ISOCELL
[Galaxy S6 General] desiregeek:
I got the Sony one. Pictures are amazing.
[Galaxy S6 General] fifthelement:
We still dont know which sensor is better. I read somewhere ISOCELL sensors have more advanced technology and Samsung uses Sony sensors because they are cheaper.

So this can go either way, we need some professional reviews comparing the sensors.
[Galaxy S6 General] asdfvtn:
32GB Black - Rogers Canada

ISOCELL.

While I think it's strange to have different sensors for the same phone, I'm sure we can all agree both versions take amazing pictures!
[Galaxy S6 General] mcreego:
Blue 32 gb s6 from Italy made in China Sony sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] geby86:
64GB Black - Rogers Canada - S6 Edge

SONY.

Curious to know if the edges have the same changes.

Sent from my SM-G925W8
[Galaxy S6 General] sdfsdfsfs:
yes....S6 edge is using also two different sensors
[Galaxy S6 General] Fizwiz:
I have change my S6 last week for new one. My picture with the new one is less impressived . Today i see this thread and validated the image unique ID picture taking with my two S6. My first S6 was a Sony sensor and my new one was Isocell. I have a lot of overexposed picture with Isocell and less detail.

I was thinking to call Samsung to have a answer. For me its a big problem. I buy this phone for camera quality....
[Galaxy S6 General] Zhypr:
Why is everyone crying about their isocell when there is only the word of two people as a source? There's not a single good comparison yet.
[Galaxy S6 General] dejong12:
64GB Black - S6.

The Netherlands - No carrier.

SONY.
[Galaxy S6 General] midreestaj:
After the next firmware update I bet all of your S6s will say Sony IMX240 so really no need to worry....

I am coming from Note 4 and yeah same happened with Note 4. First there was a Sony/Samsung sensor combo as shown in different units and later on all became Sony after the update
[Galaxy S6 General] agarmim:
US T-Mobile, 64GB Black

Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] Bananaz:
The magic of software updates.

"Change the string, avoid the drama, problem solved. Can wash my hands now."

But the truth is, imx240 sensor takes pic with impressive detail, compared to samsung one.

But lets wait to [MENTION=2879028]Jeshter2000[/MENTION] pictures comparing the two sensors.
[Galaxy S6 General] sander761:
S6 Edge 32GB - Netherlands - No carrier

Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] fifthelement:
On the bright side at least it makes them to rush the 5.1.1 update :D
[Galaxy S6 General] twinh3ad:
G920F 32GB - Malaysia - No Carrier

SONY
[Galaxy S6 General] Maywell:
My Galaxy S6 edge

Front: ISOCell

Rear: Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] sdfsdfsfs:
Sony sensor, iso=800, google camera
[Galaxy S6 General] tanjiajun_34:
S6 Edge

Made in Vietnam

Manufactured on 12 March 2015

Singapore(M1)

Front camera ISOCell

Rear Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Yes we all know you ended up with an isocell and like most fanboys you try to tell yourself and everyone else that urs is better... too bad the facts are against you.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
ISOCELL fanboy against IMX240 fanboy :D
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i am happy with my isocell sensor ,not have problem with this , but when isocell have best pics , always sony sensor is break

and when imx240 have best pics isocell is lamentable sensor

i cant undersant these , sorry , enojy your sony sensor and post more pics on the pics section
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Unless youre stating that all Sony sensors come with blurry pictures, which i hope you arent because that is a whole new level of missinformation..... His camera LENS is defective, blurriness has nothing to do with sensor, it has to do with lens.