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[Galaxy S6 General] Svendrae:
Hi,

I wonder why Samsung use a Sony sensor at Galaxy Note 4 and Galaxy S6. Last year Isocell was a big thing for the Galaxy S5 because of good quality and the ability for a fast focus.

And the pictures was really great for a smartphone, in my opinion the best Android Camera in 2014.

Now Samsung using a Sony Sensor and I want to know: why?

My Galaxy S6 has the IMX Sensor from Sony and pictures are very good and a little better like the Galaxy S5 pictures. But I expected a new version of isocell Sensor.

Why does Samsung drop it?
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
I'm certain it's one of only two things: either the Sony is better, or it's cheaper. (Or both.)

Would it be beneficial at all for for us to give our region, carrier, and sensor? Does getting more info like that help figure out the difference? (If it's not just a string read error.)

I'm:

CA, USA

Sprint

Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] vitas13:
Europe,

Poland,

PLUS.

ISOCell .
[Galaxy S6 General] se1000:
Not necessarily.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+S6+Teardown/39174 - check out step 10. "Samsung C2N8AF"

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+S6+Edge+Teardown/39158 - step 11 "Samsung C2N89U"

These could just be inter changeable but just sourced from different manufacturers.

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Sony imaging sensors are highly regarded as some of the best sensors in the industry, not only for smartphones but also for DSLR's, etc. Sony makes most of the sensors that are in high end Nikon DSLR's.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
The ISOCell quality at low light isn't good enough and Sony is still better but ISOCell was managed to outperform Sony at outdoor when compared to like IMX135. This time IMX240 is doing good both outdoor and indoor.

The sales of Samsung is dropping too and hard to maintain a production line but if S6/S6E and Note5 sales real good then ISOCell 2nd gen is possible to happen in the future.

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They are still Exynos ISP because they used different size to fit on the PCB and Samsung gave them with two model number. If you copy and paste out of two chips in photoshop and you will see the one on S6 is slightly larger than S6E.
[Galaxy S6 General] se1000:
Right but the point is, the ISP is separate from the sensor itself.
[Galaxy S6 General] vegetaleb:
Got Sony sensor S6 from Italian market made in China
[Galaxy S6 General] sonyfan12:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/05/05...-camera-sensors-on-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/

sony sensor have pink instead of gray-blue
[Galaxy S6 General] shiningarmor:
welp im glad i have the isocell
[Galaxy S6 General] james_lpool:
Just found out mine is a sammy sensor, not really sure what to think about it, considering both are same price you would expect and want to have the better sensor? lol

I guess its not the biggest thing in the world... from what ive read though, the majority seem to be favouring the sony.
[Galaxy S6 General] AndreiLux:
Because of bias.

From what I've seen in actual apples-to-apples comparisons the difference is not even noticeable in normal shots. If anything the 2P2 seems to have better colour accuracy.
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
The majority favor the Sony because the majority have the Sony and human psych will always justify what they have as the best option no matter if it is or not. Have you heard anyone who didn't have the phone yet say they find the Sony sensor better? Funny enough they all have the sensor they find to be the best because they want to believe it.

To be honest both look equally great and both have their strength and weaknesses. But you most get many people to admit that.

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[Galaxy S6 General] ari25:
On an unrelated note, will flashing a rom for the Sony sensor brick the Samsung units?
[Galaxy S6 General] THEindian:
I have the 32GB AT&T version with the Samsung Sensor. Looked through the thread, it looks like i might the first on AT&T to have the Samsung sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] AndreiLux:
No.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
I'll say ISOCell indeed got better or more accurate color both daylight and lowlight but IMX240 just got so much more details when you view at 100% size. So, I still prefer IMX240 but at least ISOCell isn't that bad at all.
[Galaxy S6 General] 1orka:
I don't own Galaxy s6 ( I have iphone 6) but I find sony sensor better. It's clear on samples that oXunknownXo posted that it's more low light sensitive than Samsung sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] nyolsson:
ISOCELL sensor rear/back

ATT 32gb White (US obviously)

Manufactured : April 9th, 2015. Made in Korea.

Much like [MENTION=4348308]THEindian[/MENTION], it seems ATT and isocell is rare..

I also have access to several S6/S6 Edge devices including my personal device listed above.

I know the standing argument is Sony - better dynamic range. Sammy - truer lowlight color accuracy.

Perhaps I'll post some true blind side by side.. isocell vs isocell? Sony vs isocell? Sony vs Sony? I'll shoot in pro mode with identical settings (I know it can't be 100% accurate) but the more sample data the better!

SAMSUNG-SM-G920A
[Galaxy S6 General] asdfvtn:
Woo.

Samsung's ISOCELL looks fantastic.

Both are honestly amazing without doubt though.
[Galaxy S6 General] gtg465x:
This objectively proves that the Sony sensor is superior in at least one major way. In each shot where the same ISO is used, the Sony sensor is able to get the same picture with a much faster shutter speed, and in the one shot where the shutter speed is the same, the Sony sensor is able to use a lower ISO. So the Sony sensor is either going to have less noise or have less blur on movement depending on the shot. Not to mention, the Sony sensor gathers fine details better.

Electric Box Photo

ISOCELL: ISO 40, 1/2520 s

Sony: ISO 40, 1/3064 s

Grass and Trees Photo

ISOCELL: ISO 40, 1/1292 s

Sony: ISO 40, 1/1716 s

First Water Photo

ISOCELL: ISO 125, 1/33 s

Sony: ISO 80, 1/33 s

Low Light Water Photo

ISOCELL: ISO 200, 1/11 s

Sony: ISO 200, 1/14 s

The white balance happens to be wrong in the low light water photo with the Sony sensor, but that is the software's fault, not the sensor's fault. Just a glitch I think.
[Galaxy S6 General] gtg465x:
Try to post some shots with the same ISO and shutter speed if you can. Maybe use Manual Camera app since the Samsung app won't let you set shutter.
[Galaxy S6 General] ThisIsAnAndroidUser:
Well, this is not fair. Not after what we've seen. ISOCell might be better for some, others might prefer Sony, but you - as a customer - should have the option to choose what fits you best. Or they should just put one sensor on all their Galaxy S6 devices, preferably the one already used for samples and reviews (which from what I've seen looks to be the Sony one). There are some differences between the two equipments, that's pretty obvious.

I asked Samsung Romania for a statement regarding this issue and was told I'll get an answer as soon as possible.
[Galaxy S6 General] trenzterra:
I'm curious to know how they perform at the exact same ISO and shutter speed. The Samsung photos look slightly brighter, if you've noticed, which is to be expected given the ISO/shutter difference.
[Galaxy S6 General] gtg465x:
Me too. Someone needs to try that.
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
No it's not clear just because you say so. Both are equal good on their own but all in all you can't say one is better just because you like one over the other. Others will say different

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[Galaxy S6 General] marsen2567:
Galaxy S6 SM-G920F Duos Gold/64gb

Isocell Front and Rear

Manufactured Date: 04/07/2015

Made in Vietnam

I don't how I feel about this yet, I've never really used my camera that much. Kinda disappointed, though. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S6 General] ari25:
I really like threads like this, so much "passion" lol. There was a thread like this in the s4 forums but there the I9500 clearly had the better sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] marsen2567:
First Knox and then this shenanigan, I know it happened in the Galaxy Note too.. This is the last straw for me. I've been a loyal Samsung Galaxy S series user from S3, S4, S5, and now S6. I can live without the removable battery and the micro sd's, I bought the S6, didn't I. But different sensor with the same price as the better one. I thought, No, It won't happen again, just like what happened to the Note. And here it is, all over again. I think this will be my last Galaxy phone or any Samsung phones.. I've had enough of their bullsh*t.. You're losing one of your followers/loyalist to your future galaxy series..

I'm sorry for the rant.. LOL. I just have to let it out.. I'm gonna miss my Galaxy series, I think it's time for a change..

(Like Samsung even cares what I say.)
[Galaxy S6 General] edyboy:
I commend you for your loyalty. I never considered Samsung phones after owning a Galaxy S2 with a sucky Samsung sensor. The gap between the picture quality with S2 before is like thousand miles away. A bad experience is bad experience. I am surprised that they are still doing this up to now.
[Galaxy S6 General] PunishedSnake:
Good right?
[Galaxy S6 General] NonEZ:
This guy maybe is right . And I hope it is...
[Galaxy S6 General] Soup sweats:
Compared images with the two sensors in this post. Say no noticeable difference other than file size

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s6-features-either-isocell-or-sony-cameras-606222/
[Galaxy S6 General] jeebuz:
I have the ISOCELL sensor and am extremely happy with the output of the images. :)
[Galaxy S6 General] lolo9393:
YES, I remenber so much.

I owned a 9500 and all the other people with a 9505 model were so sad and upset.... And at this time the two camera module were all from SONY supply....
[Galaxy S6 General] dave3003102:
IMX240 is winner.

I think people who are getting IMX240 in their phones must be very happy, because they know what sony sensors are meant to them. Sony sensors are well known to produce more vibrant and accurate color saturation. Samsung must have had the shortage of IMX240 sensors from sony so they were compelled to use isocell sensors.
[Galaxy S6 General] shiningarmor:
On the contrary, i saw some comparison somewhere online, the imx 240 has a bluish tint to the photos in daylight. Dynamic range is wider yes, but it will never be noticeable ,not unless u crank up ur brightness and compare both sensors side by side. Also, my friend's s6 has an imx 240. I can confirm tht his photos have a bluish tint to it. And its pretty noticeable

edit :

http://www.sammobile.com/2015/05/05...-camera-sensors-on-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/

In this case, i can safely say the isocell sensor is better
[Galaxy S6 General] undisput:
Sa-mi zici ce raspuns ai primit de la ei. Daca e , le dau si eu un mesaj, poate ne schimba telefoanele...
[Galaxy S6 General] ZoZo-:
People need to stop complaining about the sensor. The biggest difference is in how colors are trapped by the sensor. The difference in shutter speed on the images is because the software interpreted the scenes differently in terms of how bright/dark they were. If this would not had been brought up no one would complain about their image quality/white balance. If the tint is so important for you guys then import your favorite picture into photoshop and edit it before posting it on Facebook (which decreases the image quality by A LOT anyway).

In these images the difference is so small and you can only see the "quality" difference in terms of sharpness if you bring it up to 1:1, who the hell does that these days? I bet you there would be the same difference on image quality if you had two phones with the same sensor trying to take the same picture.

You would need to place the phone on a tripod that is placed at the exact same place as the other phone and the picture has to be taken at the same time. The color temperature changes depending on how many clouds there are on the sky, how the sun is reflected on the scene around you so these comparisons can not be "scientifical" since they are not in a controlled enviroment.

Stop complaining since we still don't know if it is some software string or if it is a hardware thing since comparing images to images is almost impossible outside and the "both sensors" are taking immense quality images for being smartphones.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
They aren't real complaining, both sensors got pros and cons. We've the right to discuss and research and find out the different as this is a very expensive flagship.
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
Always love when people use the frase "we/I have the right" and actually believe it to be true.

Send from my Galaxy S6 Edge 128GB Gold
[Galaxy S6 General] Divine_Madcat:
On this board, users DO have the right to respectfully and peacefully discuss topics (relating of course, to the devices and other boards as appropriate). In this case, while it appears the difference is marginal at best, this kind of digging into the hardware and software is what XDA is all about (something i think many users have sadly lost sight of).
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
I really don't care to discuss your view of what you think or don't think. What I said had no relation to what you think or don't think about what people on this board talk about.

I was referring to the wording "its my right" because there is no such thing as "its my right". You can say I'm allowed, but right? No

If you don't understand what I mean maybe George Carlin can do a better job

https://youtu.be/gaa9iw85tW8

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[Galaxy S6 General] elprofet:
That's your right. :p
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
?

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[Galaxy S6 General] Emieltes:
Both sensors seem to perform really good to me.

IMX240 seems to get little more detail, but that might be caused by a higher bandwith as most of the pictures made with the IMX240 are ~ 8MB while the pictures made with ISOCELL are ~ 4MB.

I think the ISOCELL is more accurate with colours and slightly better in low light though.

Maybe the detail can be fixed if a firmware update allows the ISOCELL to take pictures with higher bandwith. Also i've heard rumours about a firmware update with .RAW support, that could aswel increase image quality.

My S6 is arriving later this week and I don't care which sensor it has since both seem to be great
[Galaxy S6 General] bloodrain954:
Expensive? It's only $600 lol

I'd hate to see what it's like when you buy a car, or god forbid, a house. "those blades of grass don't match"
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
It's expensive for a phone, not for a life. Are you a kid? Car and house they aren't a toy(though it's true for real rich guys), they are investment.

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XDA is a private forum. We won't have the right ultimately because it's only for the XDA owners but as long as we don't break any rules, we are allowed to have the right to speaking.

If you don't care to discuss with people because you don't care their views or thinking. I suggest you to quit here because you are off-topic now to start a English research discussion and don't have the allowed/right to start a thread.

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If any sensor got more details and sharper picture usually it will result in a bigger file size because much harder to do compression.

ISOCell is good for facebook or whatsapp because it got better color and don't need a super clear photo for this purpose. But if you are willing to look a mobile photo on a computer monitor like me then IMX240 is more suitable.
[Galaxy S6 General] marcochapita:
I think as most of people that when they update the camera with new firmware and bring raw files they are going to put them close match, it's easy for them correct this things with an update if they wanted. And I do have a Sony sensor and I pretty happy with that I almost forget of my dslr some times
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
I think the Isocell had better results here, but I'm more than happy with my Sony. I wouldn't say I'd be happier with the Isocell, but I wouldn't be any less happy.

Thanks for the link.
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
Think your missing the point here buddy so relax, chill and leave it alone. You clearly didn't get the point. No one was starting a discussion, except you.

Send from my Galaxy S6 Edge 128GB Gold
[Galaxy S6 General] mvjunkie:
S6 (Reg) 32GB - T-Mobile
[Galaxy S6 General] bloodrain954:
cars aren't an investment... lol. It's not expensive "for a phone", it's what they've always cost.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Are you real adult? Car is real consider as an investment whether you agree it or not because it's included in your personal capital list by law. And everything on Earth is like what they've always cost, it's how capital market working. Plz don't off-topic.

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Please don't pretend the problem comes from others while it was raised by you. I agreed no one want to discuss with you, except you keep trying.
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
Then why don't you just so yourself. Then we are finished

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[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
Instead of reading about imaging sensors, I'm going to sit back and watch an argument about legal jurisdictions and the definition of "capital".
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Let this thread back to it's original purpose.
[Galaxy S6 General] nkolsen:
So it has been confirmed by samsung. There are 2 sensors.

Official statement Samsung Benelux.

“The Galaxy S6 and S6 edge utilize camera sensors from several different vendors. Like all of the technology used in our products, they meet our strict global quality and performance standards.”

From sammobile.com.
[Galaxy S6 General] TozABG:
My test, got sony and isocell, both S6 32gb white, Verizon.

All default and auto.

There is some pics with hdr on and off, but majority is with hdr auto.

Isocell:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rs7kih43h52bqlp/AACylMXfMiJvTn5zc12l5Rzia?dl=0

Sony:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abgx0r1yy9uznkc/AADPrcx7eVcf6LwL2W7c6-2Ua?dl=0

Idk why, but sony is way better then isocell at night.
[Galaxy S6 General] daleski75:
I have the S6 with the isocell camera and I think it's a fantastic camera, am I disappointed that I did not get a Sony lens... well no because I am happy with what I have got and it's a big step up from the Nexus 6 camera which I thought was pretty good.
[Galaxy S6 General] trenzterra:
Thanks for the photos! It seems that the lens on your ISOCELL camera is a little dodgy. Have you tried cleaning it? I feel the flare from the lights are affecting the night shots.

For some reason it seems the ISOCELL generally tends to choose a slower shutter speed and higher ISO for some reason. As a result photos tend to appear a little over-exposed.
[Galaxy S6 General] TozABG:
Yes I did. One phone is for my sister. I really wanted to keep Isocell for me, but after seeing night photos, I changed my mind.

It seems that Isocell doesn't like lights at night :)
[Galaxy S6 General] *Emix*:
My 32GB White S6 has Sony IMX240 :D
[Galaxy S6 General] trenzterra:
Interesting. It could be the lens issue though. My night shots seem rather okay though on auto settings they do appear a little too bright for my liking.
[Galaxy S6 General] tee00max:
Sheesh, people are still making such a huge deal about this phone having two different sensors!? You cant help the one you have so you just have to live with it. The differences are so minor it doesn't even matter. Both sensors takes great pictures and half of everyone wouldn't even be second guessing their pictures if this topic has never came up.
[Galaxy S6 General] trenzterra:
If anything, the full well capacity you mentioned is a disappointment. I see most photos getting bumped up in ISO on the ISOCELL, perhaps resulting in a loss in image quality. On the other hand, I see the ISOCELL images tend to be brighter than the Sony equivalent, so it could be that they capture the same amount of light with the same ISO and shutter speed.
[Galaxy S6 General] Garner:
How does one find out what camera firmware is installed?
[Galaxy S6 General] xzone13:
*#34971539#

...and then, select: ISP VER CHECK
[Galaxy S6 General] lolo9393:
Sad !

My Galaxy S5 SCL23 has an ISOCELL sensor.... What can I do? How can I live with that?

.......

Oups! Sorry Gents, I take the door..... excuse me!:victory:
[Galaxy S6 General] Miracal:
S6 64GB Gold

Vodafone branded

The Netherlands

ISOCELL

And happy with it :)
[Galaxy S6 General] trenzterra:
These two images have the same ISO/shutter:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rs7kih43...n5zc12l5Rzia?dl=0#lh:null-20150507_204853.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abgx0r1y...LwL2W7c6-2Ua?dl=0#lh:null-20150507_204853.jpg

and

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rs7kih43...n5zc12l5Rzia?dl=0#lh:null-20150507_184329.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/abgx0r1y...LwL2W7c6-2Ua?dl=0#lh:null-20150507_184325.jpg
[Galaxy S6 General] Timbukto:
Sample torture test

With -2 Exposure Comp I focus on the ceiling light which also makes the camera expose for the light which severely underexposes everything else. Base ISO is achieved at 40. Then I take the image into lightroom and pull it to see what I get. You cannot expect miracles out of a jpeg from a tiny smartphone sensor...it is not going to pull like the RAW of a Nikon D810. But what it did do is not that shabby. It reveals there is indeed lens vignetting correction built in as you can see via the gradients, and you also see fine banding/pattern noise throughout. It would be interesting to see someone put up a torture test of the Sony vs ISOCELL after confirming similar exposure.

Does anyone have any idea what junk is in my room with the first jpeg shot? And at least the pulled jpeg gives you some idea...(of random junk) so overall it didn't do that bad and the RAW can only be better. Lets see the Sony go through the torture test side by side with ISOCELL.

The more I look at the results, the more I can confidently say that ISOCELL is not a bad sensor by any means. There are very very very few compact cameras that can do +5 exposure pulls with any meaningful results (and Canon full frame sensors cannot even do a great job at it). Someone with both sets try to do the same thing (or post the image so we can play with it in LR if you don't have the tools). It is not a perfect scientific measure without the RAW, but this stress test will show a lot more than the previous random snapshots will.
[Galaxy S6 General] AJ:
don't know why but the code not working ,

could it be because am running not stock rom ?
[Galaxy S6 General] cheetah2k:
128gb Black Vodafone Australia ISOCELL
[Galaxy S6 General] xzone13:
Yes, the custom rom might be to blame.

Move a photo to your computer and check for de exif info. in WINDOWS the path will be: right click on picture, properties, details. In the "details" tab, look for the "image id".

If the Image ID begins with A16LSI, then is a Sony sensor.

If the Image ID begins with A16LLI, then is a Isocell sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] bews:
Optus Australia (64gb White) - Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] DJ_Jedi:
There are 3rd party cameras on the store that let you save RAW, at the moment i cant think of any name, but im sure with a quick search you can find one.
[Galaxy S6 General] Hanson68:
There are apps that let cameras with full camera 2 api save in RAW, but the S6 isn't one of them.
[Galaxy S6 General] 2Nice4U:
They will add the raw support in 5.1.1.
[Galaxy S6 General] AJ:
thanks , that worked

and it;s a sony sensor , am in KSA btw
[Galaxy S6 General] galaxyuser15:
I have been seeing and comparing results of both sensors. And My results: The IMX240 is more Vibrant and have more details than Isocell.
[Galaxy S6 General] Gibscreen:
Sony sensor on my wife's. Verizon white 32gb.

Can't stand that Verizon disabled the dial codes.
[Galaxy S6 General] trenzterra:
Here are some shots I took with the ISOCELL. Any thoughts?

http://1drv.ms/1IsumTS