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[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
Why don't you just keep your mighty Sony sensor to yourself and not condemn everyone else that different taste than yours? I'm sick to see your mighty Sony sensor that superior than everyone else. Yes I've Sony sensor too but I don't see a point to feel down if I got Samsung sensor. [MENTION=329570]malybru[/MENTION], i guess it's time to close this thread
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
Sorry, but this sounds like nothing but trolling
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
I believed that pics of my s6 with imx240 were great unless I compared them to isocell pics. Even until I compared those pics I even didn't knew that s6 had two different sensors it was when I searched the net for the reason for disparity among the images of the phones I came to know about the two sensors.

apart from this my judgement says that apart from one macro shot the pics are really close and even pics from same phone in auto mode can produce different results. Its just that prefer the pics from Isocell better in the condition that I have tested them in ( I am yet to test them in the low light situations). yes the imx240 produced brighter Images but the isocell produces more detailed images. it all could be just software differences, both the devices that I tested were unlocked devices from India.

Also(correct me if I am wrong) in this forum I have not seen any comparison of macro shots apart from what I have posted, it may be just that isocell are better at macro shots.
[Galaxy S6 General] kadabra12:
Isocell sensor Auto mode

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[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
I encourage you to try more close-up photos with distance about 3-4 inches (9 cm). Some people reported they could not focus to make macro shots and that's a lens fault covered by warranty.

It can also help to show a serviceman your comparison with blurry photos from your phone and crisp from the other phone.

P.S. this is not to say your sensor is bad, just to make sure it shouldn't be better
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
Thanks for the pictures. To be honest : the 1st picture is very purple, was that the actual lightning? The Ferrari picture is horrible, totally unsharp.
[Galaxy S6 General] kadabra12:
First picture was in very low light with only the blue led on, the last in front of ferrari is shooted in my car ? I select the wrong photo (I notice now how is terrible that photo ??)

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[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
Here is one macro shot of my broken tab s2 case. ?

With flash in a room illuminated only by the tv.

Edit: i believe the xda app reduces a lot the photo quality. Here is s link for original. https://www.dropbox.com/sc/2iwj0ptag1kk6w4/AAC6v4Axu9okQ91b0CZUfS-La
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
No, I had all of them. On Galaxy Note Edge imx240, on S6 edge ISOCELL, S6 edge IMX240 and S6 edge Plus ISOCELL.

The IMX240 is the best of them. But I have to say that my ISOCELL on the s6 edge plus is much much better than the ISOCELL I got on my S6 edge.

Video quality is also better on the IMX240, I did some comparisons between them and noticed differences. The ISOCELL applies a stronger noise reduction than the IMX240 and the overall quality is poorer.

I'll try to change it against an IMX240. :D :D
[Galaxy S6 General] vemj:
no raw no conclusion

if someone wanna prove imx240 is better than isocell, unless someone could offer raw format file of the 2 different sensor.

i got s6 with isocell,and i did some interesting test on its camera. check it.

IMHO, samsung always produce terrible image algorithm to my eyes , from s6 ,they did heavily noise reduction and then crazy sharpening , it looks fine when you view it on your screen,but when you zoom in at 100%,

it is really unacceptable, no matter isocell or imx240,they did the same unnatural job.

i shoot a high contrast scene in my house at same spot with equal iso and shutter speed on both camera app, one is stock camera, one is an app that can enable raw format on my s6,so you can see the how terrible work samsung did.

firt comparison, the original file of the 2 app side by side,i transformed raw into jpeg with Camera Raw.

[IMG="original comparison"]https://flic.kr/p/EoiHS7[/IMG]

[IMG="crop"]https://flic.kr/p/EN7QXo[/IMG]

look how terrible stock camera did,so much nosie and sharpening in the shadow,but look at the raw jpeg file, natural and clean,much more information

then let's take a look at the touched images,

first i add 5 ev and contrast ;shadow to 100 in photo shop,let's see how much information in the dark area we can get.

[IMG="shadow"]https://flic.kr/p/EDXDRY[/IMG]

[IMG="shadow information"]https://flic.kr/p/DT3Gxv[/IMG]

so much false detail and banding or information from the stock camera image, much better on raw file.

then i pull down the highlight ,contrast and white to zero and dial down the ev as much,let's see how well they can handle the highlight area.

[IMG="highlight"]https://flic.kr/p/EQqGhD[/IMG]

[IMG="highlight crop"]https://flic.kr/p/EoiHZb[/IMG]

see the difference yet ? how much more detail and dynamic range you can get from a raw file?

i think when we talk about jpeg is just talking about the agorithm but not sensor ability ,i mean if there is some can offer us the raw file from these 2 different sensor ,we can ralatively confirm which sensor is better

so anybody like to share his raw files?

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why i can't see my pictures? because i am new here?
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i cant see pics , please upload to flickr o another server
[Galaxy S6 General] abdelha:
today i found out that my brother have samsung sensor and i have sony sensor, i tried to take a picture of an object, it wasn't the best light condition, but samsung sensor had better picture, sharper, different colors....i didn't mind the colors but the sharpness did bother me.....
[Galaxy S6 General] monteiro-ribas:
What sensor do i have? http://s24.postimg.org/ncsaamn11/tmp_8259_Screenshot_20160304_1733261342999334.png

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[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
You have a Samsung ISOCELL sensor. That's not bad at all.

UPDATE :Excuse me, i was wrong. It's the (better) Sony IMX240 error
[Galaxy S6 General] shafez:
According to this you have Sony Sensor.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
Thats the Sony Sensor.... A16LS is Sony, A16LL is Isocell. ;) You have got the better one.
[Galaxy S6 General] xbranex:
every damn screen is different on every galaxy s device and you are complaining cameras are different :D:D so what. Good thing you dont get the buzzing camera effect and the stuck on focusing effect :D:D samsung phones are crap. I have the last 3 models and they all have their flaws. that is why you never buy a smartphone prior to release date, you wait for month or 2.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
I went to a Samsung store here in India with my friend(he has Isocell in his s6) today. most the phones on the display had the IMX240 but his Phone consistently produced better results in terms of details but colour accuracy was better on imx. His Phone also Produced better images then the Iscocell on display. Compared both to s6 and s6 edge.

He just bought his s6 a month ago his device is manufactured here in India only may be samsung has improved on Isocell sensor in lastest batchs or it may be the software only
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
Today I went to "Media Markt" to take a look at the Galaxy S7 edge. I compared the Camera of the S7, S7 edge with the new imx 260 Sensor and my Galaxy S6 edge plus (ISOCELL Sensor).

By comparing with the S7 edge I was a little disappointed with the camera quality of the new device. I couldn't see much improvement against my Camera and my one seems to be better. I think something was not okay with that Sensor in that S7 edge. While comparing with the regular S7 I noticed that the Camera quality improved. You get more details and better color accuracy but the difference is not so big.

I know "Media Markt" is not the best place for comparing the abilities of the cameras. I would be happy if someone, who preordered the s7, would do some comparison in low light etc. . But it was cool to see, that the difference is not as big as I thought. The autofocus is blazingly fast on the new devices. Also the Performance is just amazing. Everything feels smoother and they add some cool new UI animations, e.g. in the Gallery.

Here are the pics:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9D03ABBB7800CE5D!120&authkey=!AD3eL9ttM6Tjzdo&ithint=folder,

G928 is my S6 edge plus, G930 is the S7 and G935 is the S7 edge
[Galaxy S6 General] monteiro-ribas:
Thank God lol... actually i don't find the pictures that great
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Isocell sensor is worse than imx240, and imx240 is worse than the sensor used in galaxy s7, on top of that the galaxy s7 has a much better lens too, its an impossible statement to say imx240 or isocell camera is better than a camera with bigger pixels and much better lens, its like comparing a compact camera to a dlsr.

More tests need to be done and when the reviews are out youll soon realise the massive difference.
[Galaxy S6 General] Bharatsng:
Never said anything about the S7.

Please read carefully.
[Galaxy S6 General] sza777:
I have 920I Australia vodafone(64 gb) and i was pretty much satisfied until i came to know that i have isocell too

So may be its a mind game lol
[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
Still comparing **** sizes? OMG. Just enjoy the phone. The galaxy s6 have a great camera no matter what sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
"much better lens"?! Why?
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
I think he meant f1.7 aperture. It's better in the dark, but doesn't mean more crisp than s6 in daylight
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Yes, i do agree with you. Bigger aperture do not mean that is "much better", it only will translate into (little bit) more light in comparison to the S6.. In fact, bigger aperture will create less area with focus and more bokeh effect
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Bigger aperture defenitly helps in good light aswell, just look how crap galaxy s5 photos are compares to galaxy s6 (isocell) the only difference is the lens.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Is not because the aperture.. It has better lens, better post process... Aperture only means that enter more light. Is good at night but at day there is no difference.. Bigger aperture will create more bokeh effect and reduce the focused area,that's why pro photographers use it on night or portrait shots.
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
galaxy s5 is more noisy on the same iso, so there's something else what helps the s6
[Galaxy S6 General] sza777:
Any thing on s7 edge camera does it also have two different sensors?

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Confirmed i thought may be a software glitch

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/03/09...t-camera-sensors-for-the-galaxy-s7-duo/#close
[Galaxy S6 General] Merken_:
It seems so : http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-s7-edge-isocell-sony-sensors-678779/
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Lol, i really hope thats not true or else get ready for the same history to repeat itself all over again... If this turns out to be true i will never again buy a highend samsung phone ... ill move to the competition.

PS: i never wanted to buy the galaxy s7 since i have the s6 anyways but if galaxy s7 follows same strategy then all future top end phones will aswell and its something i choose to avoid.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
There is a sensor thread in S7 forum where users are reporting AIDA64 showing Samsung sensor in their S7 mobiles. Seems Samsung still is doig bait and switch.
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
A very wise move of Samsung, it keeps the community alive :p
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
Well and makes them richer since I'll bet the ISOCELL series is cheaper. In the end it is the cusomer that gets screwed by a "lottery system". :p
[Galaxy S6 General] Pierre118:
I think that 99% percent of the buyers will never know and notice it. Only 1% (we) are aware of the differences.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
I do agree with you
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
Sometimes it only takes 1% to make changes for the better, the rest might not care until they know about it. Information is power.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Its true. Most people dont even know the specs of said phone let alone what cam it has. But lets not forget that most of those people will appeal to a friend who knows their crap about phones and one of those guys belongs to our 1%. Then that guy disses the phone for this reason and possibly other reasons aswell. In the end that 1% will become much greater than the estimates percentage.
[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
Flash macro ISOCELL
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
I got the Marshmallow update on my S6 edge Plus today and noticed that Samsung improved the Camera a little in the new Firmware.

I also noticed a better performance in Video recording.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9D03ABBB7800CE5D!122&authkey=!AG0BszhxNIB9qy4&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Rofl, on a side note, gsmarena posted a comparison, altough its a very poorly done comparison its clear that the S7 uses the same dirty strategy, and the issues present in galaxy s6 isocell are still present in galaxy s7 aswell, mainly wrong white balance (too much yellow tone). So here we go again with the same issue, im glad i wont be needing an upgrade anytime soon.
[Galaxy S6 General] eum1r:
Hahaha,too much obssessed for nothing,making small things a big thing, if you only know how i laugh at these people who dont love their phones they too much crazy as nastyn?
[Galaxy S6 General] karthiksitian:
Samsung Galaxy S6 - G920i

rear - IMX240

frnt- slsi_s5k4e6_fimc_is
[Galaxy S6 General] gavsi:
aa içli köfteee :D:p:p:p:p:p
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
http://i.imgur.com/NYRl1IV.jpg

iso 800, can you guess which is which?
[Galaxy S6 General] Rengor:
Left -> Isocell // Right -> IMX ?
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
Actually, isocell is on the right. It was somehow unexpected for me and I took another phone with imx with the same result.

Here are fullsize images: dropbox.com/sh/lulc91lpxu1my1v/AADEczK8CF0ybtRh2QaYRBLea?dl=0 (920 isocell, 925 sony)
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Please post the full original photos so we can see its full exif data.

Even though you already said which is which, I am pretty sure of myself too that the left is isocell and the right is sony, the reason for that is simple, the left one has more noise than the right one, has yellow tinted white balance, more smudges and its less dark than the one on the right.
[Galaxy S6 General] ~ Myzrael ~:
The blacks on right pic are pinkish, it's perfectly possible that the right one is a pic from isocell (it tends to be pinkish on high iso). Anyway, given the futile trend of this topic, someone will argue that this sony sensor is defective because it's not possibile that it underperforms like this and so on...
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
I have posted this before, but I have totally the opposite result, where isocell clearly is more noisy.

Full size images here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4iKrFCkRQiWUGEydWFMdVRsU1E&usp=sharing
[Galaxy S6 General] nlab:
sorry, but I already posted a link you're asking for. fullsize, exif, no editing
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Those pics has no exif data i checked them already. Please post the original ones in another server like postimage or onedrive
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Ok i was beying blonde, i downloaded the pictures without clicking the download button, thats why your pics had no exif data, now that i checked them its very strange that the left one is indeed sony and the right one is indeed isocell.

In your comparison, Sony behaves exactly like isocell (yellow tint, much noise and less detail) and isocell behaves exactly like sony (no yellow tint, less noise, more detail).

This is very strange, perhaps this means that its not the sensors that are making the issue with the image quality difference, perhaps its the lens? Perhaps the phone firmware detects the wrong camera? perhaps sony firmware has been used in isocell camera and vice versa?

Your comparison raises many questions and it semms that its not as easy as 1 beying isocell and 1 beying sony that is the culprit of difference in image quality.
[Galaxy S6 General] jocaboss:
So, what is the surprise? I have seen a lot of photos taken by Sony and ISOCELL and in some sony wins and in others isocell is better. Just stop suffering with this. Enjoy
[Galaxy S6 General] corb06:
Phone had a camera fail issue with the Sony and when I sent the phone in for repair they had put in a Samsung Isocell. Pics are grainy, noisy and so much worse than before. Video recordings are almost useless due to the noisy and grainy quality. Only works during direct sunligt..

Has anyone been able to get a repair and have a Sony IMX installed? Or have Samsung totally forbidden that?
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
this isocell sensor is to change in SAT , maybe is a pic from a S5
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Not really, both of them are samsung galaxy s6, you can check the exif data for proof.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i know jaja i am joking :o
[Galaxy S6 General] sysrq54:
samsung still not fixed the yellow tint problem. s7 has too.
[Galaxy S6 General] vemakohe:
I think s6 camera is awesome ☺
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
I bought 2 S6's on separate occasions. First one, was due to dropping it into the water. Too costly to repair. That one has imx240. Then the second one I bought has ISOCELL, didn't like it as much. Had it for a few months until I decided to fix my issue with purple tint and focusing issue and hoping I'd get the IMX240 too. And got back a couple of days, downloaded AIDA64 app and hallelujah! Imx240! Very happy since.
[Galaxy S6 General] Fusseldieb:
I broke my S6 camera lens and the camera fails to focus now. I give up. It doesn't bother me anymore if I have a imx or isocell. I now have realised how ****ty it is to have sealed phones. To change the camera, I need to heat the whole damn thing up. That's just .... aaarrghhh

Sorry for the offtopic, but I really need to say this...
[Galaxy S6 General] kelefe:
Found some comparison here.

ericscorner.blogspot.my/2015/12/samsung-galaxy-g6-long-term-review.html

Which is better?
[Galaxy S6 General] thundastruck:
No you don't.

You think frogs' mating are awesome. :D

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Isocell rules!!!

Simply because I have one in mine. ;)
[Galaxy S6 General] vemakohe:
Yes i do, i dont care about frogs mating [emoji6]
[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
After reading over time throughout this whole thread, THERE IS NO FU***** DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE SENSORS GOD DAMN IT. I've used both, and when you use Manual Settings and set the cameras up to the exact settings they perform IDENTICALLY. All you people saying the IMX240 is better shut up you have absolutely no clue what the f*** youre talking about. I have an Isocell Sensor and the Purple tint is a non issue even in pitch black, Yellow tint is also a non issue for VIDEOS AND PHOTOS. The people doing the comparisons that show the Isocell being grainier are dum***** using auto mode where the camera app prefers higher ISO and faster shutter speed for the Isocell compared the IMX240. THIS HAS BEEN FIXED IN THE MARSHMALLOW UPDATE (at least for me). The people that complain to have soft photos, WIPE YOUR LENS DOWN BEFORE TAKING PHOTOS. All the oils on your hand that end up there can really make a photo look like garbage. Make sure its crystal clear. If your phone still takes blurry photos, ITS DEFECTIVE
[Galaxy S6 General] Makisrock:
Hey guys....

Mery Christmas...

I have a big problem....

I have the samsung galaxy s6 128 gb and my friend has the same phone (32gb)...our cameras are different...can you tell step by step how can i found what sensor has my phone?

thank you very much!
[Galaxy S6 General] ipred:
1. Download from Google Play the app called Phone INFO Samsung :

2. Open the app and at the top ( green area ) you will see several tabs like GENERAL, CSC CODE , FIRMWARE, ANDROID, HARDWARE and etc. Select HARDWARE

3. In the HARDWARE scroll down a little bit until you find "Camera". There in the "rear" see if it writes SONY :
[Galaxy S6 General] 16v:
Mine says slsi...

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[Galaxy S6 General] crixley:
You really need to relax.
[Galaxy S6 General] Segamalaga:
I can not find any difference between this two sensors
[Galaxy S6 General] sdfsdfsfs:
Sony sensor, iso=200, flash=on
[Galaxy S6 General] tee00max:
Come on Samsung, you have to do better. If this is actually indeed true that is ridiculous to manufacture a phone that have two different camera sensors. I know they both take very good pics but if that Sony camera renders better photos I would be highly upset.
[Galaxy S6 General] pulautikus:
Seems like sony has brighter pictures than isocell.

Sorry for the messy room. Poorfag house.

I'll try again in bright daylight tomorrow.i
[Galaxy S6 General] Hanson68:
I supposedly don't have the Sony sensor, but a) the pictures are still fantastic (my warranty returned S6 reported the Sony sensor), and b) it's more than likely misreporting than a physically different sensor. I'm surprised no one has physically examined the sensors to see if they're actually different.

A slight difference in metering can cause the two pictures to have slightly different brightness. If one was truly an ISOCELL sensor, it would be clearly inferior.
[Galaxy S6 General] DrearierJester1:
I like the ISOCELL rendering ...
[Galaxy S6 General] gtg465x:
Actually, I'm not sure it's like that because the Sony sensor absorbs more light. It looks like the Sony sensor might just have better dynamic range. Try taking a low light photo with no light source in the picture so that the dynamic range isn't so high. I think they will look more similar if I am right.
[Galaxy S6 General] oXunknownXo:
Can you specify which picture was taken with each sensor? From your words I imagine that the first one was taken with the IMX sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] wggn:
PHN G920F bought at CoolBlue, got the Sony version
[Galaxy S6 General] makbil:
S6 edge Black Saphire

925FQ (Basically the same as the international version) Turkey

Made in Vietnam

Sony Sensor
[Galaxy S6 General] mcjac:
***imgur.com/a/iJsUC

First photo is the Sony sensor and the second is the Samsung one.

Both were taken in auto mode with auto hdr in a not overall bright room. I'll try to get more later,
[Galaxy S6 General] gtg465x:
I would say there's definitely a difference and the Sony sensor is definitely better. The ISOCELL photo is a little bit washed out and details are softer throughout when you compare 1:1 crops.
[Galaxy S6 General] oXunknownXo:
By a hair's breadth but you are right, the IMX looks a bit better.

EDIT: Just made this in order to easily appreciate the differences.
[Galaxy S6 General] nkolsen:
Low lights look very simular, but yes the isocell in the others look kinda washed out. Doesn't seem like I get that kind of thing on my camera with isocell....

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[Galaxy S6 General] maximemichel:
Nice comparison. I personally prefer the ISOCELL render for the first picture (not by much though), but on the second one, the Sony sensor has much more sharpness and detail (especially for the remote). Such a shame...
[Galaxy S6 General] Clem604:
Fido 64gb Gold S6

ISOCELL
[Galaxy S6 General] Hanson68:
The ISOCELL is inferior tech. If it was truly an ISOCELL sensor, the Sony would be CLEARLY better, not kinda sorta.
[Galaxy S6 General] JorThib:
S6 32gb (black)

Belgium (from Vanden Borre)

ISOCELL

:crying:
[Galaxy S6 General] ets:
I find the sony very clearly better!!!
[Galaxy S6 General] se1000:
IMO, the pictures above are very, very close. I would even believe it if they were taken by the same phone back to back. ISOCell or Sony, it seems the difference is really negligible, which is a good thing.
[Galaxy S6 General] sdfsdfsfs:
Sony has more details, isocell has less noise