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[Galaxy S6 General] ozetto:
ignorance is bliss ;)
[Galaxy S6 General] RedsInHell:
i could tell that rear cam is sony ' A16LSI ....'

But how to read the front? no A16..

only BO5LL..

tq

S6e 32 Black

Malaysia
[Galaxy S6 General] Roman5:
Are you trying it from an installed dialer app or the default phone app? Example, I use ExDialer with the black theme from the play store and the camera code does nothing in ExDialer. It works perfectly though from the built in Samsung phone app.

6th option down 'ISP VER CHECK'
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Stock dialer.
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
Is this the same isocell sensor as the S5, just with better lenses and OIS?

I'm really disappointed I didn't get the sony sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] kannanX10:
dont know fully but both S5 and S6 uses the same S5K2P2 Isocell sensors,with S6 they might have used it with diff lens and OIS

ISP ver on S5

SLSI_S5K2P2 for exynos S5

LSI_S5K2P2 for snapdragon S5

on S6

SLSI_S5K2P2 --Isocell

SONY_IMX240 --sony sensor
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
Ah well, I'm gonna return mine anyway. Not paying $1000 for a phone that takes inferior pictures to all the tests and reviews out there.

I'm gonna keep buying phones and returning them until I get the sony sensor... That's what samsung is gonna get for playing such stupid tricks on their customers.
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
I have yet to see a review that demonstrates the ISOCELL to be "inferior".
[Galaxy S6 General] fachadick:
What exactly are you missing out on with the samsung sensor? What makes you think it's inferior?
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
Well reading through this thread since page one, it's kinda clear that the isocell can't live up to the sony, especially not in low light, where it misses out on details and adds an ugly purple hue to the images, exactly like my old S5 did.
[Galaxy S6 General] fachadick:
Interesting, because I got a different take from the thread and the online comparisons - that they're pretty much comparable, with some slight advantages to each of them in different lighting situations. The samsung sensor being more true to life than the sony in low light, but the sony being more vibrant in well lit pics. At the end of the day though, they're still both amazing.
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
I'll just refer to these posts, and the differences are so huge it looks like they are comparing 2 different phones completely.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60844854&postcount=291

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60926902&postcount=347

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60532585&postcount=132

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60535073&postcount=146

Besides, you can kinda tell by people's reactions too., While some isocell users are content; alot aren't. Yet you can't find a single sony user who feel cheated and want isocell instead.

Sure, samsung didn't do anything wrong per say, but it's still a cheap move from them. It's like advertising 3GB of ram and then proceeding to put faster ram in half of the phones.
[Galaxy S6 General] fachadick:
of course there are also people in thread that liked the samsung better, and at least one or two sony owners who would rather have the samsung. And there are other photos online (like the ones from the sammobile article) that better show the differences. I agree that it's a cheap move though, and in all honesty I'm not thrilled that I got the samsung, but looking at other pics (including my own) and reading what people have been saying, I just don't think it's that big of a deal. My pictures have still looked amazing, with no tinting or anything like that.

http://imgur.com/WEeZIEK

http://imgur.com/NGZUXo0

If you think it's worth it to exchange go ahead, but if you don't like the quality of the samsung sensor, I don't think you're going to be blown away by the sony sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
I've followed since page one as well, and I have yet to see anything that shows one sensor is better than the other. They each have slight differences, but none clearly better, and both clearly good.
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
Here's a picture taken in almost complete darkness, which demonstrates this ugly purple hue the isocell tends to give.

I don't expect good results in very dark scenes, but I just can't stand that hue, my S5 made me totally hate it, cause it turned any low light scenes into a purple disco.

I bought the S6 expecting the Sony sensor, cause that's the one all the reviews have pointed out that the phone has.

http://i.imgur.com/H2aEsZH.jpg
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
So your example of a "bad sensor" is demonstrated by taking a photo in conditions that no camera would do well in?

Seems legit.

It sounds like your issue should be with reviewers if they are the ones that promised you a specific sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
Maybe you should actually read my posts instead of just coming up with childish answers like "seems legit".

I do not expect any phone to do well in total darkness, it was just quickly shot to demonstrate how dark scenes turn purple.

And no, my issue is with samsung. How the hell could reviewers expect samsung to pull a sneaky move like this? If you read a review, you expect the product you buy to be the same unless the manufacturer issues a new revision.
[Galaxy S6 General] lethalfriend:
Dark scene taken with ISOCELL:

20150701_214755 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/52012031@N05/, on Flickr
[Galaxy S6 General] Jonathan-H:
There is nothing sneaky going on. I get no purple hue in my photo's. Even if you did you can get around it. I have used phones with Sony sensors for a long time and have been disappointed 100% of the time. I for one am absolutely 100% glad I got a phone without a Sony sensor and have zero problems with it and perfect photo's which are thankfully true to life and not oversaturated like the Sony sensor.

Purple tint is simply a software issue which is present in almost all phones in low light including Xperia Z3
[Galaxy S6 General] le_lutin:
I'm not sure he was thinking of hanging that pic on his wall or anything. He was using it as an extreme example for illustrative purposes.
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
"Childish" would be continuing to cry about a sensor you feel entitled to because of reviews you read, and then blaming those reviews on Samsung as opposed to the people that wrote them.

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I understand that, but all he proved is that the sensor cant take pics in horrible conditions. Isn't that something we know about all sensors without posting an example pic? Do I need to post a completely black photo to complain that my Sony sensor can't take good photos in complete darkness?
[Galaxy S6 General] robertkoa:
I would prefer to get the S6 with the Sony Sensor I read about and saw examples of in the early Reviews and which the Software was based upon.

However.. the Camera is a main reason for me to upgrade from current phone and due to the smaller Battery on S6 - I will hopefully get this Sensor or the next generation Sensor ( Note 5) on some Samsung Device that is relatively Compact like S6 but not so thin and IMO under powered.

Is the Isocell Sensor on S6 a tweaked S5 Sensor or all new?

To clarify - On S6 Devices which do use the Isocell 16 Megapixel Sensor- is it the same Sensor as S5 Sensor but different Lens and Software or all new ?

Sensor Size- which Sensor is physically larger IMX 240 or Isocell?

Which Sensor has lower noise overall?

Which Sensor is in Note 4 ? IMX 240 right?

Edit: I have a Galaxy Alpha which has the Isocell S5 Sensor BUT Samsung restricted down to 12 megapixels in Firmware. They actually spent more money( slight R&D cost) to lower the Megapixel count to not equal the S5 Camera! Weird thinking eh ?
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
It seems like the Isocell is the same sensor as the S5, as per the ISP codes that were provided earlier.

It's a discussion forum, we should be allowed to discuss issues without calling it "crying".

And as I said, how can I blame reviews when samsung changes stuff in the phone after the reviews are out? Why are you so eager to defend samsung on this issue?

And for the 3rd time, the picture was taken just provide an example of the purple hue that exists in ALL dark scenes. You are more focused on the fact that it's a bad picture and no camera would do good, which is not the point at all.

The Sony would still take a bad picture there, but it would show no signs of the purple/grey hue and just be black instead.

How hard is this to understand?

btw. if you have the sony sensor, why are you so offended that people with the isocell are upset?
[Galaxy S6 General] Dpk1:
I can't say if the sensor on S5 & S6 are exactly the same or S6 has a tweaked / modified Isocell sensor but I can tell you the difference in image quality between the two is noticeable (better on S6).

Both IMX 240 & Isocell sensors on the S6 are of same size (1/2.6") & have same pixel size 1.12 µm with native 16:9 aspect ratio. Both have same optics with OIS.

From comparison samples online the exif data shows that sony sensor tends to output pics with lower iso (hence lesser noise) in low light conditions (in auto mode) & with faster shutter speeds in the good light conditions compared to the Isocell sensor. That's how it seems the two sensors respond to the camera firmwares (on 5.0.2). But at same ISO and shutter speeds both sensors are equally noisy with similar textural details IMO. The essential difference between the two is the white balance (colour tone) especially in low light (bit better on the Isocell IMO).

Just like the S6, Note4 also reportedly has both types of sensors (Sony IMX240 & Isocell) in different units.

P.S - I don't know why or how but some sample pics comparing the two S6 sensors which I've taken myself and also going by those posted online (Russian website), the Isocell ones tend to appear crisper with better overall textural details (almost like better focussed) in good light / daylight conditions (at same ISO and close shutter speeds).

I think you can't go wrong with either of the sensors in your S6 as both perform exceptionally well (and similarly) for a smartphone camera. I have one with Isocell and am pretty happy with its performance (actually prefer it to IMX240) but I wouldn't go bananas if I had the sony one instead!
[Galaxy S6 General] Roman5:
From what I've seen, the Sony images are indeed more vibrant. But if I hadn't seen them, I wouldn't know otherwise or think my pics are washed out. Ignorance is bliss. I'm happy with the quality of my samsung sensor, it's only side by side that you notice the difference. But sure, there was a slight disappointment when I did the ISO VERSION CHECK. :P

I do agree that however minor the differences might be, Samsung should have stayed 100% consistent with the components.

Probably more than anything, there is also the (understandable) psychological aspect of simply feeling better knowing you have arguably the better sensor of the two in your phone.

I understand Apoxx's disappointment. Still, from what I can tell, the majority of S6 owners probably have the samsung sensor, and it's certainly not something worth worrying about. I've posted pictures in the cases thread in the accessories forum recently, and they look quite vibrant to my eyes. They were taken with my old S2, which no doubt has an inferior sensor to both the S6 sensors. I'm sure people with the samsung sensor can make pics look as good or better than those with the sony, given decent lighting conditions and if you set it up right.
[Galaxy S6 General] route00:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/05/05...-camera-sensors-on-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
[Galaxy S6 General] Roman5:
Just found something interesting looking through another thread.

I think these posts should help people (myself included) feel better about the ISOCELL. :cool:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60975977&postcount=1148

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60978310&postcount=1153

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60981881&postcount=1157
[Galaxy S6 General] :
the sony sensor is way better, ive had both, the sony one takes much better pictures indoors and outdoors
[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
I have the Isocell Sensor in my Galaxy S6 and have ABSOLUTELY NO PURPLE HUE. I straight up took a photo in the pitch black with just the moonlight lighting up a golf course and all it was was black with the outline of the trees and the sky, no purple at all
[Galaxy S6 General] dedei:
Isocell here

Enviado de meu SM-G920I usando Tapatalk
[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
Please tell me where's the purple thingy on your pictures? I've Sony sensor but I feel my photos looks washout on monitor
[Galaxy S6 General] drmoeed:
Hello ...

How can I check the ISP version ... I'm on 5.1.1 and this code *#34971539# isn't showing the option of ISP version ...

Thanks ...
[Galaxy S6 General] kannanX10:
dial *#34971539# and click on Phone/Cam firmware then check whether it states A16LSIxxxxx or A16LLIxxxxxx for rear cam

LSI--sony sensor

LLI--Isocell

else u can check via EXIF info by checking ur Image ID
[Galaxy S6 General] drmoeed:
Thanks ...

Sadly It's LLI ... :-/

I think the ones with Sony Sensor are confined to US and EUROPEAN versions ...
[Galaxy S6 General] machhho:
how can I update the S6 camera firmware . my Rear Camera FW Ver is : A16LLIC0611

thanks in advance
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Isocell here on Verizon US.
[Galaxy S6 General] kannanX10:
Devices manufactured in march and early April had Sony sensor IMX240....even in India we got Sony sensors intially now every s6 and edge manufactured in India from late April and may are carrying only isocell sensors......
[Galaxy S6 General] drmoeed:
Yup ... You're right probably ...

I'm kinda disappointed with this issue ... Switched from HTC One M9 to S6 ... And again caught up in this camera sensor conspiracy here ...

HTC went with Toshiba Sensor over Sony which was awful ...

And here I've got ISOCELL which is not awful but surely have inferior performance than Sony ...
[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
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[Galaxy S6 General] 0Supermaster0:
Got no isp ver button... dont know which sensor I have...

What you see on the second screenshot, appears when you tap on "PHONE/CAM FW VER CHECK"
[Galaxy S6 General] drmoeed:
You've Sony Sensor ...

Lucky you ...
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
so they first sell all with imx240 to get good reviews on net and after that all switched to isocell? I actually thinking to swap to 920f or 920fd for more custom rom/kernel support but my existing g9200 manufactured in march with sony sensor and works pretty good. I'm real scared to do that now, may stick with my g9200.

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Don't be too sad. Indeed, Samsung sensor is good, it is just a bit inferior to imx240 but still pretty enough to blow the Toshiba away bcoz it got f/1.9, OIS and Exynos ISP is far superior over S810 ISP. I've been used Samsung sensor a couple of years and do know their capability is also decent, my HTC One S is on Samsung 1/3.2" 8MP I've checked it.
[Galaxy S6 General] misiokicio:
Nothing to be lucky about, both sensors are great and both have advantages and disadvantages.... otherwise Samsung wouldn't be using both types in the same phone
[Galaxy S6 General] midreestaj:
I have a Sony sensor however yet to see a solid proof of one's superiority over the other..
[Galaxy S6 General] drmoeed:
I have gone through the thread ... and have concluded on my behalf that Sony Sensor has better performance both in n outdoor photography ...

Samsung had to use their own ISOCELL sensor coz of short supply by Sony ...
[Galaxy S6 General] Obagleyfreer:
How can we find manufacturing date of our device?

My rear cam says: SLSI_S5K2P2_FIMC_IS

what sensor is this?
[Galaxy S6 General] marios_ch:
Phoneinfo app
[Galaxy S6 General] Ƶero:
SLSI ist ISOCELL sensor.

I also bought the Galaxy S6 but it haven't arrived yet, it should come today (came from Nexus 4 and still have it but the display brightness and battery life is very bad) and i hope (most unlikely cause one wrote early devices had IMAX newer ISOCELL ) that it has a IMAX sensor even none has a prof that the ISOCELL is worse.

I saw the pics on the first page and the IMAX sensor pic clearly was a better picture however the 2nd one with ISOCELL was a completly different pic, with much more range and detail no wonder it's

quality was worse.

You need to shoot 2x the exact same picture with 2 different phones even under the same light to say which one is better everything else is just guessing.

But i still hope to get a IMAX cause i like sony thats the only thing.
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
I thought LS is Sony and LL is Samsung.

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Isocell on both front and rear cameras. I feel cheated as those early review units have Sony sensors. Samsung knows most people won't notice a difference and they're obviously trying to cut costs with their own sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] amirtengteng:
If you guys wanna check your sensor using app, just download AIDA64 from playstore, open it and select Devices, and it will show your camera sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] drmoeed:
Here it is ...
[Galaxy S6 General] Ƶero:
Well just look at the first post its easy, SLSI is ISOCELL and the IMAX is SONY_IMAX240...

EDIT: MY S6 arrived i checked the sensor it said its ISOCELL but we still have no proof that the Imax240 is actually better i can't test it cause i only have 1 someone need to make 2

exact same photos with 2 different devices to notice a quality difference.

ALL the pics i have seen so far differed completly because one made a shot of far away landscape with worse quality than other take picture of near macro stuff..

it depends on the object and the range of colours.
[Galaxy S6 General] 1orka:
There is direct comparison on page 13, 14, 15 of this thread, taken under same conditions.

Also, here is comparison from user TozABG

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60598245&postcount=232

I'd say difference is even more dramatic in low light.
[Galaxy S6 General] Ƶero:
well i clearly can see a difference in those pics i hope they used the same options for the devices..

cause pictures taken with pro mode are far better than with automatic..

i know how it works, the less iso value you use for dark location the better the quality but the picture will get darker.

And TozABG clearly wrote he took the pics with auto mode so thats not a good comparison between the sensors.

its a comparison but its not equal if the settings arent....

Best would be an equal scenario where you shoot pics in pro mode with iso 100 + different light settings and go to 200 etc then you have a comparison.

Edit:

Example:

1st Galaxy S6 automatic setting is iso 200 + 1 / 25s shutter time

2nd Galaxy S6 automatic choose iso 400 + 1/50s shutter time cause maybe you are shaking too much the phone.

The pictures gonna have ~ same brightness (its only an example in real they would be different) but what i want to say is that iso 200 gonna have less

fragmentation than the other so if you really wanna compare. please do it manual settings and choose for both phones the same.

If you want to compare how the automatic mode works then its totally fine but im sure we are here in the thread of talking about differences in those

sensors and you only can compare with same settings =)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aomrcrbs34me1oj/AACSECfDMbZIeeu_VlCEoC-Wa?dl=0

Left Picture is ISO 100 right one ISO 800 if you have the max res picture you clearly see the difference.
[Galaxy S6 General] thegr8anand:
Have ordered my S6 and hoping it has sony sensor.

Tom Hardware did S6 and Active review and they tested both sensors. Heres the conclusion

you can check the link for detailed review and samples.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s6-s6-edge,4157-6.html
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
^ No surprise there and no reason for Samsung to use a more expensive sensor. I think a class action lawsuit should be in order.
[Galaxy S6 General] theronlas:
Not going to happen, Samsung never advertised the phone as having a Sony sensor in it. They have not mislead anyone with their specifications.
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Well, they sent phones with the superior Sony sensor for the reviewers out there and now a popular site has published their comparison between the two. That to me is kind of misleading.
[Galaxy S6 General] CurlyBlonde:
S6 Edge

Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge - 32GB version / unlocked - Romania - Lolipop 5.1.1

Guys, I don't have the ISP cam check - how do I verify which sensor do I have in the phone?
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
^ this

Samsung know people look to the review sites before buying, so they made sure the review units had the best camera.

Then once people started buying phones, they stopped caring.
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Download AIDA64

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.finalwire.aida64

Tap Devices and look for the Image ID. LS is Sony and LL is Isocell.
[Galaxy S6 General] CurlyBlonde:
S6 Edge

Couldn't find the " Image ID" , only the " Camera ID " - by the looks of it I'm guessing it has the Sony sensor?
[Galaxy S6 General] vagelis74:
I think you have the Samsung sensor.

Στάλθηκε από το SM-G920F μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Yes, it's Camera ID. You have isocell.
[Galaxy S6 General] mi7chy:
Glad I got the ISOCELL. The colors are more natural and it doesn't suffer from lens flare.
[Galaxy S6 General] CurlyBlonde:
TY

Thank's guys :highfive:

I'm bummed now , wish it came with the Sony sensor
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Me too. :( That thought will always be in my head whenever I take photos or video.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Your one is ISOCell. If it is Sony, it will just tell you IMX240 in first place.

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Color is better in ISOCell but you lost little details. Indeed, if I shoot only at JPG/HDR mode, I'll prefer to get an ISOCell on my own. But RAW can improve the color/WB in IMX240 so if you like to play around with RAW, IMX240 is better and might be able to push out even more details.
[Galaxy S6 General] thegr8anand:
Has anybody ever got the sony sensor?
[Galaxy S6 General] amirtengteng:
Me.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Mine Sony sensor. It seems all manufactured on March(mine 31th) or before mid April should be IMX240.
[Galaxy S6 General] kannanX10:
i do have sony IMX240 sensor in my S6 bought in india,specifically requested my seller to arrange S6 devices manufactured in vietnam(manufacturing in india started from april but only initial lots had sony) so that i can have sony sensor and they opened 4 devices,as 3 of them had screen pink/green tints but all of them had sony sensors,whereas devices manufactured in india from late april and may onwards all carry Isocell

note:if u want sony sensor dont try s6 black 64 gb as all of them were manufactured in india,none was imported from vietnam and all have Isocell
[Galaxy S6 General] marios_ch:
I have SONY and mine was manufactured at 2/3/2015.

i believe from the very first S6 around here. haha
[Galaxy S6 General] thegr8anand:
Wow. I actually got the sony sensor!!! Happy with that.
[Galaxy S6 General] kannanX10:
good-------which model and colour?
[Galaxy S6 General] thegr8anand:
This seems true. Just checked. My phone was manufactured in March in Vietnam.

32gb Black bought from Amazon.
[Galaxy S6 General] midreestaj:
IMX240, manufactured 3rd April Vietnam
[Galaxy S6 General] nicemsp:
yeah this is why after the s6 i'll never buy another samsung phone. It was a very cunning move by Samsung, even if they didn't promise us the sony sensor. Unfortunately, 99% of the average users of the phone will never know that it came with 2 different sensors with one being clearly superior, and Samsung was banking on this.
[Galaxy S6 General] thegr8anand:
I am guessing they had the Sony sensor of previous Note and used it for first S6 models and started using their own once its stock ended as spec wise both sensors are same.