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[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
Around first week of S6/S6 Edge launch, I purchased the S6 and had Sony sensor. Unfortunately a month ago, it died from dropping into the water(damn...* right in the feels*) :crying:) And so I purchased another one. Didnt think too much of the camera sensor type. I only checked the the quality of the photos it took at the store. Looks fine. But after 3 weeks or so, I decided to check ISP version(which after I regretted doing lol). To my disappointment, it's an ISOCELL sensor! :crying: While I didn't have issues with photos produced by the ISOCELL sensor, I don't know to feel happy or sad. Knowing that I did not get Sony imx240 one that received great reviews. Like some of y'all mentioned - it will always be in my head the fact that I've got an "inferior" sensor so to speak.

These are some shots I took with my brand new set with... ISOCELL (:crying::crying::crying:) for y'all to check out. P.S. forgive me if my photography skills aren't as good as rest of the photos with this particular sensor shared here - I'm not a photographer, and I don't own a a DSLR or even a P&S camera hahaha :laugh:
[Galaxy S6 General] davebugyi:
If you google the comparison of the two sensors, you'll see that ISOCELL is up to the match as well.
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
I've got the ISOCELL sensor. Maybe I can try the same tactic and see if it reverses the outcome(e.g them replacing my ISCOCELL to a Sony sensor) by sending in my phone for faulty camera (purple tint and struggling to focus in low light) and see if they'd replace it with a Sony sensor LOL:D

I agree with everything you said. I had similar experience like your wife(refer to my post above) Initially, I had Sony sensor too, but very unfortunately, the phone decided "commit suicide" and unfortunately, passed away. So I got another one, and unfortunately comes with ISOCELL:crying: and yeah, pretty disappointed with this move. Loved the Sony one a bit more. And I agree with you 100% on having doubts to giving my money to Samsung product again for my next purchase.
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
I'm not going samsung again when they condone this kind of practice. I'll look at the Z5 when it comes, if it's a minor update over Z3 I'm over to the rotten apple :(
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
All major tech review site should just re- review one with ISOCELL sensor. And maybe do some kind of blind tests shootout between both these sensors or something. Idk but I have a weird feeling that the same thing will happen to Edge+ and Note 5, eventually. To summarize this is - if you prefer Sony sensor, buy it as soon as it launches, and pray that the camera isn't a faulty one... So that you can avoid heading to its service center and risking to get a replacement of a different sensor lol
[Galaxy S6 General] undeadadd:
I would love to check what sensor I have but this is all I can see.
[Galaxy S6 General] cchant:
Get AIDA64 from the play store
[Galaxy S6 General] gpvecchi:
Sorry guys, I get an update in the camera firmware menu, but when I try to flash I get the failed message. Any help, please?
[Galaxy S6 General] Apoxx:
Download AIDA64, it will still tell which sensor you have.

Samsung tried to hide it, but it can still be shown with 3rd party software.
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
Has anyone tried getting their camera sensor replaced for the imx one at the service center, rather than the phone itself? As I don't think mine is eligible for an exchange
[Galaxy S6 General] NexusDro:
Has anyone compared the raw outputs from both sensors?
[Galaxy S6 General] undeadadd:
This is a comparison I would also like to see
[Galaxy S6 General] tallazzPilipino:
black-sapphire SM-G925P 32GB for US Sprint

- IMX240

however, after I rooted, pushed 5.1.1 and installed camera mod, it now shows ISOCell.

:confused:

apparently, the Note 5 and S6e+ all have ISOCell? i'm still waiting for my Note 5 Duos to deliver.

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[Galaxy S6 General] foosoomin:
Hello threadstarter,

Can you tell me, which app do you use to see the camera sensor manufacturer ?

I would like to know the maker on my HTC One SV
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
It's weird, after updated to 5.1.1 my camera is still showing IMX240 in AIDA64 app. First batch of Note5 and S6e+ looks all going with Sony again.
[Galaxy S6 General] tallazzPilipino:
d'oh! my bad. I meant. apparently they're going with the IMX240 per PhoneArena.

I just installed that app and it does show IMX240. cool, I guess.

it's interesting, however, that it shows video resolution to be FHD only. 4K must be upscaled which is probably why we're able to view it on our QHD screen. just to see if it was live stats, I set my video resolution to UHD and switched tasks back to AID64 and it still shows FHD resolution. oh, well.

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[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
That's real 4K not upscaled..... upscale a FHD to 4K real-time will need a Xeon i7 in your phone.....
[Galaxy S6 General] tallazzPilipino:
i've never actually taken videos on this phone before. upscaling in real-time for like live feed? i was thinking more like.. it would record the data, then it would process (upscale) as it saves immediately after the recording was stopped. but either way, i can't imagine it uses any serious codec or has a high enough bitrate to require that much processing power.

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[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
4K got four times of resolution over FHD plus 3 times bitrate data rate in S6. It's not possible to real time upscale FHD to 4K whether or not broadcasting it or saving the file offline. Exynos 7420 isn't fast enough to do that, you'll need a dedicated DSP for the video processing job.

Our 4K details is real better than FHD confirmed it is a true 4K(3rd app isn't always reporting accurate information, no idea why you tend to believe it), upscaler can't offer this kind of true to life quality. Maybe you can do the converter with some real fast crap codecs but what's the point of it? Upscale and maintains at a good quality will use like Sinc or Spline algorithm and they are extremely cpu consuming, I think it is even a very tough load to hit on Xeon i7.
[Galaxy S6 General] ming86:
A little out of topic here, Note 4 N910C

Go to replace the camera module due to pink/purple line in low light condition.

Originally get IMX240 when I brought the phone, Now Samsung service centre replace motherboard and a ISOCELL sensor for me... :cry:

ISOCELL brighter, but look at the street lamp :(

Sony IMX240 Sensor:

Sony IMX240 sensor - N910C by Ming, on Flickr

Samsung ISOCELL sensor:

The street lamp..

Samsung ISOCELL sensor - N910C by Ming, on Flickr

ISOCELL by Ming, on Flickr
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
I'm thinking to go to service center to repair too but also scared they will swap me an ISOCell in. But from what I've heard from the others who got both IMX240 and ISOCell and seen in your samples, ISOCell tend to use a longer shutter speed(should call it likes to use a higher exposure value bcoz it happens even in daylight outdoor scene) while Sony shoot at a faster shutter time(or lower exposure) which result ISOCell easier to over exposure(brighter) and possible to appear flore effect on street lamp.

May I ask you is that real bad of ISOCell in terms of details when compared to IMX240? What I'm concern is the low light and indoor image quality, is that got lesser details than Sony?
[Galaxy S6 General] tallazzPilipino:
i didn't really believe either or. honestly, it didn't even matter to me as i never use the video camera anyway - i have a couple of cinema cameras i work with (now selling to fund an Ursa Mini).

back to the sensors, my Note 5 Duos is showing the IMX240 as well (if i can trust the app). the S6e screen is noticeably better than the N5 screen. its higher-density screen really shows off fine details well. the screens are pretty different though even with similar Display settings. the S6e screen is always warmer.

those showing image comparisons between the two different sensors.. it would be nice if the pics weren't taken in Auto mode, but have more control over the exposure to show more accurately the differences.

(if anyone is interested, i'll have a second Note 5 Duos for sale within a week.)

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can you try the AID64 app? i'm just curious what sensor it would tell you. before i pushed a 5.1.1 ROM and installed the Camera Mod, mine used to show what your former picture shows. then after, it shows the latter. yet, AID64 shows it's still the IMX240. (i fell asleep at page 18, so idk what additional info i may be missing.)

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[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
Having owned both, IMO has ISOCELL has more accurate colours. But for the most part, it's easier to get nice and sharper looking photos for Sony one, especially during daytime. Indoors is the part where I consistently find myself to I prefer Sony too. I want to send it back to the service center for major purple tint, and struggling issue too, and I very well may for one that has ISOCELL, as my first S6 with Sony sensor is dead from accident lol. Since I've got nothing to lose. Who knows, they might replace it with the Sony sensor :P
[Galaxy S6 General] amirtengteng:
Hello malaysian! :P Thanks for the comparison. It's time to go for note 5 with sony sensor lol
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Sony color accurate was worse at first but been improved much in recent firmware with my personal experiences, in the above example you see they're almost no different color now(though I tend to believe Sony still a bit off sometimes).

ISOCell always prefers slightly higher exposure both day and light and it may made indoor/lowlight brighter thus the shutter speed slower and so some reported ISOCell got blur photo because you will need to hold the phone more stability now and our OIS isn't strong enough.

Actually, I tend to believe the ISOCell exposure is more correct bcoz I often find my Sony exposure a bit lower than my expectation but since higher exposure easier to cause problem when it went wrong, so in reality many will just prefer lower a bit exposure all the times to prevent wash out effect.
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
This is sample of isocell in low light.. just trying to compare to above picture. . The street lamps did not ruin the image unlike on the above isocell image..
[Galaxy S6 General] theronlas:
Which is what happens with brighter exposure. The sony image is darker, so the light is less obtrusive.

If you matched the exposure I suspect they would be very similar.
[Galaxy S6 General] drhusein:
First one is isocell second one is imx240. Your opinions [IMG="isocell"]https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/134077731@N02/20975679625/[/IMG]

[IMG="imx240"]https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/134077731@N02/20353087364/[/IMG]
[Galaxy S6 General] drhusein:
Firs one is isocell and second one is imx240. Your openions
[Galaxy S6 General] Inelukis:
The first one it's the best one. More natural color and less noise.
[Galaxy S6 General] itzik_man:
First one (isocell) is better, look at the tiles at the far right end near the door; the 240 picture tiles looks a bit washed out and brighter.
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
ISOCELL seems brighter here. Which one looks closer to the actual scene in terms of accuracy?
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
Low light.. auto mode.. isocell sample photos
[Galaxy S6 General] pamarakos:
Hi all

Can someone replace the isocell camera with a sony one?

I guess it's just a matter.of.finding one since inside s6 sensor is removable...
[Galaxy S6 General] Xysti:
Isp ver check

I have the galaxy s6 in the UK, but I can't get and choos3 ISP ver check. Do you know what camera I have?
[Galaxy S6 General] gpvecchi:
Man, sorry to insist, but did someone tried updating camera firmware? I get an error...
[Galaxy S6 General] szymon247:
I can't believe this thread. I understand it's XDA, but some people take it too far - the casual crowd comes and wants to replace a phone because it has Isocell? Really?

I have two Galaxy S6 phones, one for private use, and one edge for work. I have Isocell in my private phone, Sony in my work phone.

When I received my private phone first I was amazed at the photo quality, coming from the S4 I couldn't believe at how far the mobile photography went. No matter what I want to photograph, comes out really great, and the low-light shots? You gotta be kidding me at how technology progressed within just 2 years and what Samsung has done in such relatively small unit.

Before getting the phone I saw the comparisons of sensors and couldn't help but notice slightly more pleasant colors on the Sony sensor, so when I checked that my private unit had Isocell I thought, oh well, almost equal but maybe it would be nice to have the Sony one for more vibrancy. And that was before the firmware updates when there were visible color reproduction differences between units!

I still absolutely loved the camera, and I can't understand how such minimal thing can change someone's attitute towards the camera and make it not appreciate what it is - which is still the best smartphone camera package (maybe except Nokia 1020), no matter if with Samsung or Sony sensor.

The difference between device optics vary between devices more than those equally speccd sensors, the difference between battery capacity and sillicon quality vary more between devices, the screen quality and uniformity varies far more from unit to unit, even though Samsung is awesome in consistency of using the same Amoled panel per line of devices. How would you be bummed out by having an Isocell sensor? REALLY? Why would you let something mostly imaginary ruin the experience with such amazing camera?
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
Great post. So nice to read some sanity in this thread.
[Galaxy S6 General] drhusein:
These photo taken by iso cell. I did alot of comparoson betwen isocell and imx240. The isocell have more accurate color tone
[Galaxy S6 General] BenQ1110:
Has anyone tried to replace the sensor to imx240 or the whole camera in service or somewhere? Is it even possible to get it ?
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
I'd love to know that too!! Have any of y'all tried this solution? If they can replace a Sony IMX240 to a ISOCELL(as some post here have stated) after repair, technically, they should be able to do the same for this too?
[Galaxy S6 General] gpvecchi:
I now noticed that my menu is different...
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Anyone who tried both IMX240 and ISOCell and could me are there any different in terms of focus speed & accurate rate?
[Galaxy S6 General] b2doux:
Is news menu for samsung I do not know what mean is information. I do research ... galaxy s6 SM-G920W8.

I HAVE same information. .
[Galaxy S6 General] davebugyi:
I could not read anything about this so that should mean the focus speed is the same. The only complaint about the difference was the color vibrancy between the sensors which got fixed by a firmware update.
[Galaxy S6 General] gpvecchi:
That I can't flash... Haaaaaaalp!
[Galaxy S6 General] cipjanin:
Same..
[Galaxy S6 General] gpvecchi:
Can you update your firnware?
[Galaxy S6 General] cipjanin:
Its latest firmware
[Galaxy S6 General] Varekai:
Just got my 64gb Gold Edge, Camera is Sony_IMX240_FIMC_IS
[Galaxy S6 General] bobbo888:
Did anyone in the UK get a 128GB S6 with the Sony sensor?
[Galaxy S6 General] jay_m3:
well am sure of one thing, samsung uses 2 different sensors, simply cause i tried to swipe cameras on 2 devices and it gave me a camera error
[Galaxy S6 General] pamarakos:
That was a great post. So camera modules are not interchangeable...

Thanks
[Galaxy S6 General] jay_m3:
Yep and it is confirmed since note 4!
[Galaxy S6 General] MAkS1:
Then why was my defective Sony camera module with a ISOCELL one? It gives no error..
[Galaxy S6 General] jay_m3:
Does it work? How comes it works if they have a different software driver anyway?
[Galaxy S6 General] MAkS1:
It works. Maybe the repair guy also patched it after replacement?
[Galaxy S6 General] jay_m3:
i dont know but i tried it on note 4 n910H mother board + Sony camera = error. however i was surprised that both screens are compatible
[Galaxy S6 General] davebugyi:
S6 comes with both sensors, so drivers are baked into the kernel for both.
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
I have had mine replaced due to some faulty noise coming from it, and yes the sound is gone but my pictures arent as good as before. More so, its harder now to get clean clear photos as before. I have now the Sony sensor says AIDA 64. Still works good for the most part but definitely different.
[Galaxy S6 General] Plinky89:
Typo, or do you really wanted to say that isocell made better and cleaner pictures?
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
No no, I dont know what camera was installed before. It may have been ISOCell or Sony. Just know that the new one isnt good as before.
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
You mean you've got the Sony sensor after replacement, but didn't like it?
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
Yes its not as good as the faulty one
[Galaxy S6 General] bobbo888:
Actually, I'd be interested to know if anyone in Europe, not just the UK, got a black 128gb S6 (not Edge) with the Sony sensor. Thanks
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
I have the 64gb version and its german based with the Sony sensor. I dont really think there is a difference between the two sensors. SInce mine was returned from repairs, it has the sony sensor and the quality seemed to lower but it could also be my expectations are too high.

Oh well still the best cam or sammy would have given the note 5 and edge plus ultra galaxy a new one
[Galaxy S6 General] bobbo888:
Thanks for the reply, but I was wondering specifically about the 128gb version. I'm thinking of getting a 128gb black S6, but I haven't heard of anyone so far with this version and the Sony sensor. From the evidence I've seen, it does look like the Sony sensor produces more detailed photos, either due to the sensor itself or the Isocell's bad noise reduction. The difference between the colour balance of the two is debateable, but that can be corrected by a photo editor anyway. Once you've lost detail however, you can't get it back, so I think you should be glad you got the Sony sensor!
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
I dont think you will know until u get it. Its random really

My buddy has the edge version with the sony cam and photos are just as good as my other buddies iso cell edge both 128gb
[Galaxy S6 General] bobbo888:
Yeah I know, it's a lottery within each version...But if I just heard of one person with a 128gb European S6 (non-edge) and the Sony sensor it would make me think I at least have a chance. Sure, the differences are small, but I'd like to get the best for my money.
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
I think the sensors are by batches. I've got 2 S6's first one got it in May, has Sony and my current one got it in August has ISOCELL.
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
Well get one and try it and then return it if it doesnt have it. Just tell them you want a different color or something. I think your reaching for something that isnt a big deal. I think this thread is making people like you worry about something invalid. There is no way Samsung would send out two different sensor knowing one is worse than the other. Especially when this is what made them all those trillions Korean Dollars
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
Coca cola and Pepsi has the same colour and tastes similar. It may be similar, but there are still enough differences for one to prefer it over the other - same case for this issue, except we can't choose our preferred sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
No i think its not like that at all. Its more like coco cola with different factories. Same ingredients just different machines. The fact is, there have been hundreds of reviews online on this phone and no one ever said it had bad camara.

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http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8558739/samsung-galaxy-s6-sony-camera-sensor

that says it all.
[Galaxy S6 General] bobbo888:
You're right, no-one's saying the Isocell is bad - it produces great photos. It's just that the Sony sensor generally does produce photos with more detail (possibly due to less aggressive noise reduction), and it is noticeable. Just take a look at these photos from the tomshardware review of the S6 (with the latest 5.1.1 firmware):

http://media.bestofmicro.com/H/2/506054/original/Galaxy-S6-sensor-sample-image-5-Samsung.jpg

http://media.bestofmicro.com/H/3/506055/original/Galaxy-S6-sensor-sample-image-5-Sony.jpg

http://media.bestofmicro.com/I/B/506099/original/Galaxy-S6-sensor-sample-image-1-Samsung.jpg

http://media.bestofmicro.com/I/9/506097/original/Galaxy-S6-sensor-sample-image-1-Sony.jpg

I've also attached cropped parts of these photos to clearly show the difference in detail.

(Here's the full camera review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-s6-s6-edge,4157-6.html)

The colour balance is a different story - sometimes the Samsung sensor seems better, sometimes the Sony, but as I said in my previous post, this can easily be corrected by a photo editor. Loss of detail cannot.
[Galaxy S6 General] vendolicious:
Disappointed with samsung galaxy s6

I have both of them.s6 edge 64gb gold use sony sensor

S6 32gb blue use isocell

And yes sony sensor better then isocell.

Even outdoor or good light isocell have abit noise.

I read some article say isocell better in night or low light.

But truly is isocell sensor have more noise than sony imx 240 sensor.

And yes,i feel samsung trick my money.

See gsmarena review or another web review about samsung s6 camera quality.

Almost all of them say samsung s6 or s6 edge use sony sensor and the image quality is superior.

I buy samsung s6 blue for my wife,when we take picture the result is different.my s6 edge camera more better.

Sorry for my bad english,im from indonesia.

And i just want to say, im very disappointed with samsung s6.they are liar.image sample in samsung s6 advertising maybe use sony imx240 sensor not isocell.thank you for this thread and disccusion,very helpfull for me to say and complaint samsung about they product.
[Galaxy S6 General] davebugyi:
Nice article. But a note on the bag picture. Sony sensor sample was taken with ISO 50, while Samsung with ISO 800. That's a huge difference for such small sensors. And in the end it states, that the Isocell suffers from much more agressive noise reduction, hence the loss of detail. In the end it is still not a nice move from Sumsung. They better work on the software fine tuning along with the crippled DNG feature.
[Galaxy S6 General] jetbruceli:
You know guys the fact still stands it depends on how u view it. I think that regardless ur gonna get the best camera on the market. And if it's that big of a deal just order the sensor u wish and install yourself or by a professional.
[Galaxy S6 General] bobbo888:
Yeah maybe a truer comparison of the sensors' capabilities would be between two photos with the same ISO. That's why I included the park photos, as they were taken with fairly similar ISO's of 125 (Samsung) and 160 (Sony), and there is still a noticeable difference in detail captured. Having said that, I still think comparing the two sensors' photos of the same scenes under Auto mode is a valid and helpful comparison of their real-world performance, even if they end up being taken with very different ISO's, as most people will not want to constantly adjust the ISO on their smartphone manually.
[Galaxy S6 General] Huey85:
With all the comparisons to date, for the average consumer wanting to just take photos on their mobile device, they should be more than happy with the end results regardless of whether they're packing a Sony IMX240 or ISOCELL sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] gabriellovesmusic:
I wonder how S6 with ISOCELL fairs against iPhone 6S. Hmm.....
[Galaxy S6 General] davebugyi:
There are already some tests online.
[Galaxy S6 General] nicemsp:
specifically against the isocell s6? Can you give us a link please?