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[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
is incredible that you say , if is real...i never buy another samsung anymore

then you say , in auto mode sony is best , but in pro your final pics with isocell is best than sony , the problem is prosprocessing and automode in two sensors

in 5.0.2 , a camera mod , make pics with very most quality in isocell ( i think in imx 240 too )

the problem : samsung , lies to all his users ,and no make fine his work
[Galaxy S6 General] loris100:
Hey guys i have android 6.0beta and imx240 sensor...ive heard that you can get more quality out of our s6 camera...is it true? Are there mods for it?
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
Was in 5.0.2

Later post pics
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i look minimal diferences , but in two sensors , sony or imx , postprocess is badly

very washed pics

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look pics with photoshop in raw with isocell

PSX_20151010_192958 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

PSX_20151010_192725 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

PSX_20150812_072904 - copia by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

PSX_20150808_135518 - copia by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

IMG_2015.09.14_19.43.00 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

i think , the principal problem is the post process , washed totally our pics , most in isocell

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more pics with isocell , really not bad

20150929_200320 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

20150929_200522 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

20150929_200033 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/125305857@N05/21027769640/in/dateposted-public/

DSC_0022 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

DSC_0024 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr

20150808_220242 by juan carlos baixauli, en Flickr
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Sigh... supera3 dont bother, samsung isnt going to give you any money for beying their little fanboy:

Isocell: http://mobiltelefon.ru/photo/may15/15/isocell_vs_sonyimx_01.jpg

Sony: http://mobiltelefon.ru/photo/may15/15/isocell_vs_sonyimx_02.jpg

Isocell: http://mobiltelefon.ru/photo/may15/15/isocell_vs_sonyimx_05.jpg

Sony: http://mobiltelefon.ru/photo/may15/15/isocell_vs_sonyimx_06.jpg

Isocell: http://mobiltelefon.ru/photo/may15/15/isocell_vs_sonyimx_13.jpg

Sony: http://mobiltelefon.ru/photo/may15/15/isocell_vs_sonyimx_14.jpg
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
Minimal difference, sony goes to pay you any money?

Not is this the question , the difference arent notable, are minimal and not is a problem ,if you shoot in raw are identical

all this minimal difference is post processing

i remember in lumia 1020 , in ambers firmware , camera tints yellow all pics , in black they change algoritms and this tint disappear
[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
Looks isocell nicer than imx
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Minimal difference? the difference is post processing? Post processing is there to hide the difference, not to make them, do you even know what kind of sensor isocell is? Orwhat kind of sensor sony imx 240 is? you haven't the slightliest clue about what youre saying...

But if it makes you feel any better sure, go lie to urself that isocell=sony and that samsung deliberately crippled the software for some galaxy s6 users... *facepalm*
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i only say , if you feel best ,enjoy your supermegaextraordinarial sony sensor

only posting ridicoulous pics of isocell my pics are great and good , i not going to ridicoulous pages than make best the sony sensor , i post my original pics and edited from the raw archive , and they look good than this comparison pics

if this is not enough for a lot of users , maybe can go to samsung and reclaim , but for a lot of people , isocell is enough to make good pics , and dont see big difference with two sensors , not is something than i say , a lot of people say this in htcmania too

http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=1009463

enjoy your camera friend
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Ridiculous pictures? Your pictures are photoshoped and mine are the ridiculous ones because they are unadulterated? Enjoy your outdated Galaxy S5 camera sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
not all was photoshoped , read a bit please

enjoy you your outdated note 4 sensor

here i finish
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Well my isocell doesnt give such blur in dark so i think there really is quality differences between same sensor
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Post a very dark picture at full resolution please so we can see.
[Galaxy S6 General] ysrini:
Exactly mate, I get your feeling, which is right.

That's why I'm asking, How do we prove it is false advertising?
[Galaxy S6 General] Jeshter2000:
It doesn't matter what they advertised in my opinion.

If I pay as much as you I should get equal quality.
[Galaxy S6 General] nkolsen:
You are absolutely right. I was sure I had been reading it somewhere. But i guess it was on all the tech sites. I just hope the difference isn't too big. I like the Images that mine take with the isocell. But it's freaking annoying if there's a version out there with a better sensor, even if it is only slightly better. But would be nice if someone could do a comparison between the two. Or better, open up the one claiming to have the isocell.

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[Galaxy S6 General] Jeshter2000:
I'm from SamMobile I'll be taking Pictures tonight with both cameras and post a comparison tomorrow..
[Galaxy S6 General] sdfsdfsfs:
I believe the Sony sensor has better low light performance.

it can handle noise better when shooting at high iso.
[Galaxy S6 General] nkolsen:
That would be great.

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[Galaxy S6 General] ysrini:
Great! Thanks!

In the end, which ever sensor is good will not matter, either way there will be one set of people who will be gutted!
[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
None of the advertising says that the phone includes a certain imaging sensor, so in no way are they guilty of "false advertising". All they have to do is deliver a phone that has the advertised specs and features, which it appears they do.

It sucks that some people got an inferior sensor. It's totally not cool. But, you did get a phone that has the advertised specs and features. If all of the S6's had the Isocell then this thread wouldn't even exist, and the "false advertising" claim wouldn't exist. There is no "false advertising", just use of {possibly} inferior components in certain markets. Decidedly not cool, but not even close to illegal. If you don't like it, the options are to find and buy a Sony sensor S6 or buy another phone.
[Galaxy S6 General] briansusilo:
Sony sensor here. S6 Pearl White 32GB Netherlands. Bought on 10-4-2015, the first day S6 was launched. Made in Vietnam, 2-3-2015.
[Galaxy S6 General] nkolsen:
I don't want to start an argument, but please read what has been written already. We have already concluded that samsung didn't advertise the Sony sensor or the isocell. And besides that, if you look at my signature you will see that I already bought one. And if you read the entire thread, you will see that it's not only some regions.

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[Galaxy S6 General] tety:
I want to know. Can anyone compare quality of photo that take from SONY MODULE and ISOCELL MODULE?
[Galaxy S6 General] alexnader:
Galaxy S6 Edge, mine reports as the Sony one as well

(T-mobile, 64Gb version)
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
First you read the thread. If you did you wouldn't ask that question now

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[Galaxy S6 General] DevonSloan:
You failed.
[Galaxy S6 General] thyttel:
Who said the isocell is inferior to the Sony sensor? It might be the other way around. Just like Sony improves their sensors, Samsung also update their sensors

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[Galaxy S6 General] whoamanwtf:
Sony sensor here, AT&T USA S6 64gig
[Galaxy S6 General] sdfsdfsfs:
This is with Sony sensor...HDR
[Galaxy S6 General] tonkemaskin:
Gold S6 64gb

Denmark

Isocell
[Galaxy S6 General] fifthelement:
Black S6 32GB

Thailand

ISOCELL
[Galaxy S6 General] ZoZo-:
Is the S6 still without RAW support with the Samsung camera app?
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Only on Android 6.0 that the samsung camera app will have the RAW support
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
I do get the yellowish tints thats correct typical isocell but i dont get the blurred-washed out edges like your getting, mine stays pretty sharp even in almost non excisting light

Pictures here on xda are pretty lowQ though i hope thats enough
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
RAW support works on lolipop too but its bit buggy

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Its very difficult to notice it with such small resolution but thank you for your help anyways :)
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
RAW works only on 3rd party apps, not on the oficial samsung app. That it will be only on the Android 6.0
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
But this lights on really life are orange right?
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Yes my streetlight is orange
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
Then is normal in automode, in my lumia 1020 look Orange too...if light is orange is normal in white light looks very nice

The problem is...in my street all lights are orange ; (
[Galaxy S6 General] Fusseldieb:
Everyone should tape their sensor with black tape, then shoot a picture and then upload here saying with which sensor it was taken. Then we will see if every sensor reacts the same to absolute darkness...
[Galaxy S6 General] HKSpeed:
Does everyone's camera make a rattle sound when you shake the phone? The thread below states the sound comes from the OIS components when the camera is off. Do the sony and samsung sensors rattle the same? My S6 has a samsung sensor. It didn't rattle when I first got it, but now (1 month later) it rattles when the camera is off.

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s6/help/shaking-s6-makes-clicking-sound-t3074172
[Galaxy S6 General] system.img:
It happens on phones with Sony sensors too. My friend has an Edge with IMX240 and it does rattle when camera is off.
[Galaxy S6 General] Shipoftheline:
Has raw on Android 6 if you use the Pro feature & then it has to be activated
[Galaxy S6 General] midreestaj:
IMX240 impressions with Android 6.0(beta) stock Camera

Pro-mode with 10s shutter / Light source is only the natural moon light

[MENTION=289082]ISO[/MENTION] 200 by M. Idrees Taj, on Flickr
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
With 6.0 beta any improvement on stock camera other than adding RAW and manual shutter? I mean got better color or photo more clear?
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
if you take photo in raw mode , you have better result becasuse you process manual your pics
[Galaxy S6 General] midreestaj:
Quality is almost same.. no change there
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Is ur phone isocell or sony?
[Galaxy S6 General] midreestaj:
Sony
[Galaxy S6 General] dbaums:
I have isocell on a verizon galaxy s6. was hoping to have sony but my pictures look great.

isocell is samsungs own sensor and sony is well, sonys sensor, both made "equally (according to samsung)" for the GS6
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
They are not equal and they are using different technologies, Sony is a normal BSI sensor, isocell is a samsung experiment originally made for galaxy s5, an attempt to manufacture cheaper sensors that can still compete with normal bsi sensors.
[Galaxy S6 General] thegtfusion:
I have the sony sensor, but the pictures that a friend took with his samsung sensor look the same. so the difference is not noticable
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Yes there is a noticeable difference, even my wife untrained eye could see the difference between my isocell galaxy s6 and my current sony galaxy s6.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
There is a clear difference but the higher the ISO the more noticable it is. It starts to get really noticable at ISO 320+ and on higher ISO values it is clear as crystal that the ISOCELL is inferior and also needs more noise-reduction creating even worse looking photos at such ISO levels.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
At 100 iso we have the some noise reduction with two sensors
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Yesterday I tried to compare an S5 and an S6 ISOCELL. At night the diferences are to massive to be the same sensor.. I also tried shoot with the same ISO. The S5 is much more noiser. I do know that the S6 use new lenses but with the same ISO there is much diference.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Stop spamming wrong info here like you do on Z5 board. If you don't actually own the phone don't sound like you are knowledgeable. I've been used IMX240 for half year and switched to ISOCell for a couple of months now, though the IMX240 got better quality at higher ISO but IMX240 applied too much of sharpness while ISOCell looks more netural speaking to the after-processing. Furthermore, ISOCell performed much better on white balance and auto exposure when dealing with tough environment. I'm much happier with ISOCell indeed.
[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
Indeed
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Its ironic that you say that hes posting wrong info and then claiming the white balance on isocell is better lol.... when the white balance is purely yellow tint on all conditions except night shots at high iso when there is no longer yellow tint, but a horrible red tint instead.

GG.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
Exactly. He is just trying to voice down any critics by going the personal tangent route. Just ignore him like I did. Also there has already been posted several well done comparisions containing exif data which says I am right. I think you even hosted one or linked to it! :cool:
[Galaxy S6 General] Dpk1:
I've used both. Had isocell for 6 months and was happy with it, but then I had network issues along with random camera flickering issue with my S6, for which the motherboard and camera module was replaced under warranty. Now I have IMX 240 and am very happy with it. In my observation sony IMX 240 has better dynamic range and deals better with lights whereas isocell has faster focus (at night) and punchier colours (in daylight).

P.S - I've said this earlier, both sensors produce identical results mostly and I wouldn't mind having either in my S6 as long as the pics are sharp and have no uneven blurring around any corner or any part of the pic (which is a lens issue not a sensor issue). BTW, I had to get the IMX 240 replaced as the first two were worst than my previous Isocell.

I still have network issues though!
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z5/general/disappointed-z5-camera-pictures-quality-t3217766/page79

I know you both enough on Z5 board, you guys are Sony die hard fans(wonder why you still own two S6? why not just sold out all and switch to Sony) who spelling Samsung bad words in just every threads on Z5 board especially in this "Disappointed by the Z5 camera pictures quality" thread.

In reality, either IMX240 and ISOCell are also yellow coast stylus in all conditions(Iphone is always a bit yellow too in my experiences) but other than the warm color tone, the color reproduction on ISOCell is usually better. I've also got a Z5c and the color sometimes a bit warm while sometimes too cold. Man. They are just a phone, don't expect too much from it when talking about photographic. There is no perfect phone they all got their pros and cons, just pick the one you prefer and not worth to spend so much time on forum. If you both are so care about camera should not use camera phone since day one.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
It is more than clear that you did not own the imx_240 and isocell, i owned all 3, xperia z5, galaxy s6 isocell and now galaxy s6 sony sensor, the reason i switched to galaxy s6 from xperia z5 was simple, better gaming software, better screen (amoled vs ips lcd) and less DRM protection crap, I like both brands and i own multiple devices of both brands for their specs and for what they can do, not for their names, that doesnt make me a fanboy for any of them.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
Well, I'm also one of the admin of S6 Whatsapp group on XDA, said me more than clear who don't own a S6 is ridiculous. I've got S6 since day one and switched to ISOCell bcoz my IMX240 had OIS issue and sent it to SVC to repair.

My friend and I also owned a Z5c.
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
How about staying on topic instead of going personal? This aint "red soil". We have freedom of speach within membership XDA TOS. Thus talk, analyze shared information and discuss without the need of those disagreeing going on a personal tangent 'ad hominem'.
[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
Now I know it as expected
[Galaxy S6 General] devvfata1ity:
I am not a photography guy. I also do not obsess over the picture quality of my smartphone camera. When I have to take quality pics, I turn to my trusty old EOS 600D. What I do expect from my smartphone camera is that , it should be great as a point and shoot. It should have a fast focus & a fast shutter. Most of the pics I click with my smartphone are on the spur of the moment & for that the current crop of smartphones I own, all do just fine. However I have to say that the S6 is a bit better than the rest (my iphone 6s/5s) by a wee bit. Now coming to isocell vs imx, my S6 has an isocell whereas my friend's note 5 has a imx 240. To the naked eye & using full crops, I would say that the two are almost identical in broad daylight. In slightly overcast conditions, the isocell produces slightly muted colors compared to the imx, much like the iphone 6s. Personally i like that. In low light or absolute darkness, I would have to say that the isocell fares a little bit better on auto mode. In manual mode both are about equal. To be very honest theres nothing much to choose between the two sensor types, with both producing very good pictures for their intended usage. To those who are claiming that isocell pictures are clearly poorer than imx are mistaken. Both the sensors have chromatic aberration & purple fringing on the edges & samsung ISP's post processing is very heavy handed in both cases. That being said the imx 240 pics generally look better onscreen due to the slightly higher saturation that the pics come out to be. Using a third party camera app, both sensors are absolutely identical when using custom manual exposure, metering, iso & shutter settings
[Galaxy S6 General] itzik_man:
Good review...

Like your practical review...
[Galaxy S6 General] devvfata1ity:
^thanks
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i cant say this best , if people want really best pics , buy a DSLR

imx and isocell are really really same and post processing make poor this pics with two sensors
[Galaxy S6 General] loris100:
do you realise that your old eos 600d is worse then s6 at pics? thats what makes the s6 camera so special, they compared it to 70d which costs $1000 alone and its new, and they were almost on par with the s6 being better in some circumstances and the 70d better in others...

also about sensor its clear as hell which one is better, yeah there isnt a huge difference ofc not...but its still there...and sony imx240 is simply better...you might like gs2 camera and say you prefer those washed colours and slugish feeling but that doesnt mean gs2 takes better pics then an gs6...

so whoever says isocell is better or on par with imx240 is either blind, slightly disabled or both.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
It doesnt matter what the facts and reality is for those people. They dont understand the basics of working around a camera and they contradict photos showing clear differences between both sensors.

If facts are irrelevant for them then let them pretend that "both sensors are equal but different software post processing" and let them tell us that Samsung clearly wanted to put a worse software in insocell than on sony imx to cripple their reputation even further ;).

They dont even know that the type of technology used on isocell is different than the one used in the Sony Sensor and yet they claim both sensors are the same just manufactured by different brands *facepalm*.

So in the end it doesnt matter what you or i or anyone else says, in their world, they are always right because they say so.
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
Ok, I think we went too far comparing a canon dslr to a phone. I saw a comparison for video in very good lighting conditions, but comparing photo quality to a 4x larger sensor and concluding that it's about the same is just ignorant.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Only 4 times bigger? An aps-c sensor is more than that and there is much bigger sensors (full-frame, medium format)..
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
Canon 600d and 70d are aps-c and ~ 4 times bigger.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
An 1/2.6 sensor (like S6) have an area of 22.55 square mm. An Nikon aps-c sensor have 368 square mm. It have an area ~ 18 times bigger than the S6 sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
You are right. I was thinking in terms of crop factor. That makes it even more funny to compare.
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
Isocell automode
[Galaxy S6 General] Fusseldieb:
Isocell we have enough. We need comparisons. If you have a friend with the imx, take his phone and shot with both phones the same scene and post here.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
But people than have a imx dont upload pics¡! And you can see note 4 pics with imx240 sony sensor and you can see these difference

I think , if samsung make his work with post processing we really enjoy our camera
[Galaxy S6 General] loris100:
http://imgur.com/qSnbpZE

Imx240 automode took this pic while walking...the quality is not the same as the original pic...if someone knows how to upload original quality pics pls tell me...
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
you can upload to flickr and there we can see your pics at max quality
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
I am not sure yet, but for the yellowish/purple tint (auto mode in low light/)colour has been fixed in Isocell sensor in MM build
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Mine ISOCELL do not have the yellow tint on Android 5.1
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Cropped/resized image at 3 times lower resolution than the camera original picture with no exif data means absolutely nothing to us,

Please post full image with original exif data so we can see all details of it.

Best Regards
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AA3K9ZpfkYZl9qg&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

I did not crop it , it's the tapatalk. Anyway that the link for original photo
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Thank you, the picture looks ok, a little red tint at the light source hitting the vase but apart from that all looks good, could you take with same iso a photo of buildings at night?
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...authkey=!AEQtsqeA6lXSTMI&v=3&ithint=photo,jpg

Here you go.. it's not buildings though.. but you can see that there is no pink cast it's all black now..
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
but...what tempereture have these lights?¿

are yellow ?¿ white?¿ orange?¿

the isocell havent problems with white light , because process well , with yellow/orange , make bad process and have a purple yellow tint , always
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
The lights are white.. BTW here are some photos with yellow-orange Street lights and white lights..

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=7B2C3063D6497B49!49386&authkey=!ABm7IJ3-Nnon204&ithint=folder,

I've noticed as well that the light flares are not destructive as before.. Hope in the final version it stayed like this.. the only complaint I have about the camera is the manual exposure once you move the shutter time it automatically adjust as well.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i look well these pics
[Galaxy S6 General] gianni500:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/il4b7a5d7rvg973/20160110_192702.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb7whbo307440tz/20160110_192600.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/il4b7a5d7rvg973/20160110_192702.jpg?dl=0

With isocell sensor... why light of fire has this effect?
[Galaxy S6 General] pogi.paul0119:
Are you on marshmallow?
[Galaxy S6 General] gianni500:
No, lollipop 5.1.1 g920fxxu3qolk
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
You have a defective lens, i would take it to the costumer support if i were you.