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[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Maybe better example i can upload it on better quality link if u want
[Galaxy S6 General] Ave666:
I guess it's troll to whine about samsung
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Greetings guys, ive found out that the units displayed at the store had the sony sensor, but their selling batches were isocell, ive been sad about it but after i explained the situation and showed the poor camera quality to the store and especially the purple tints in the picture edges, they recognized it was an issue and many people were infact returning the samsung phones complaining about random defects?

Because i am not the kind of person who like to hold grudges i decided to give the brand another chance.

I asked them to give me another galaxy s6 that had the good camera sensor Sony imx240, they tried to, and for almost half an hour past they concluded it was impossible to know which of the phones were the sony sensor and which werent, there was no barcode or anything at all distingushing the two models so they apologized me and told me the only way to know which is which is to open all cases untill i find one which is the sony sensor, that was obviously impossible as it would mean that i would risk voiding the seal of the phone case and ending up beying an isocell which was obviously something i do not want, the blurr on edges is apparently a feature of isocell camera but the pink tint on the edges of my phone was not, sadly i ended up buying another brand phone, namely the Sony Xperia Z5, obviously its better in some areas than the galaxy s6 but ofc like everything, it is not perfect so it looses in other areas compared to the galaxy s6, i knew this and i went with it knowing that i was paying for something real , even though i am happy for not paying 650€ for a phone with a sensor that is 1 generation behind (isocell is the same sensor of the galaxy s5 except its disguised by a different lens) i am somehow sad that Samsung resorted to these dirty tactics and changed my perception of the company forever, i will probably one day return to samsung after im 100% sure they dropped their dirty tactics, untill then i bid you all farewelll, as for my xperia z5, it semms that it focus in center perfectly then blurrs near center, then focuses again on corners so, lucky me i got a defected unit... AGAIN.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
So, you are complaining about the "bad" quality of the ISOCELL sensor and buy an smartphone that take worst pictures? That is funny.. I have an Z5 Compact and while on the paper its looks nice on the hand is nothing.. I already compared pictures taken by mine Galaxy S6 with ISOCELL sensor and is much better.. On the beginning of the year i had an Z3 and Z3 Compact and the quality was in sometimes better. I only notice the faster focus, the better multi aspect and the full-auto mode with full resolution (agains the 8Mp of the Z3). Besides the "manual" mode is an joke, you cannot change the ISO values in full-resolution, you have to reduce first the resolution. I do belive that is an really nice phone but is not nothing special about the camera. Maybe is the bad algoritms that Sony made to process the images of sensor..
[Galaxy S6 General] itzik_man:
"Much to do about nothing"

This "war" of opinions reach out to a point which it became so ridicules, that users are getting insulted when other are stating their own opinion and worst; by changing hardware or the phone, if it doesn't meet their s own "quality standard" of sensors.

Users already lost perception on what it all about, for goodness sake; it's a phone with a camera!!! If you what perfect photo, buy a SLR camera!

I bet that 99% of the photos taken by the s6, stays on the phone in a format of 5.1" inches and never goes to a print or blown up on a PC or laptop size!, on the cellphone all ISOCELL or SONY pictures looks the same: an instant in time of a visual memory!

Drop this topic and enjoy your s6 and no matter what sensor you got, the s6 at this current time, takes the best pictures out there..
[Galaxy S6 General] webhost:
Re: Isocell vs imx240?

In my opinion, the reason behind this could be the shortage of Sony sensors, forcing Samsung to use its own sensor. But I don't know if it Samsung’s fault that it couldn’t manage to obtain enough camera sensors from Sony, or it is Sony’s fault because they weren’t able to produce the required amount.
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
The ""terrible" isocell sensor, forgive my noobish fotograph skills just took them random and quick in the dark
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
And with small effort i made this one ^^ Ohh well im learning #isocell
[Galaxy S6 General] ngocgiap94:
how to buy sony sensor ? I bought one camera sensor of s6 .That is sensor's samsung

and I've lost 18 dollars for it, not to mention the cost teardown, open s6 :(( :(( :((

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f-u-c-k samsung and I've lost hundreds of dollars
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Poor man i hope youll recover soon
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
You've already did the false thing. You just had to bring it to a samsung support center and tell them, that the camers has got some problems and they should replace it. If you are lucky you'll get the sony sensor in your phone. But you can't do this anymore, because your garanty is lost, since you opened your device by yourself.
[Galaxy S6 General] Mohanadmohamedd:
How do i check?
[Galaxy S6 General] devvfata1ity:
^ install aida64 from playstore
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
Today I saw that an other s6 edge, with the exactly same sony sensor and Software has much sharper and better image quality than my one. I found out, that the isp core voltage was 0,5 or something lile that and my one is 0,775. That was the only difference. Does someone know what exactly the core voltage has to do with the image quality? I mean they are the exact same sensors, but the one with the lower isp core voltage taked better photos. I don't get it.

What is your core voltage?
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
I dont think the isp core voltage was 0.5, on the sony sensor is 0.750, are you sure on yours it says 0.775? Perhaps instead the camera software (from 5.0.2 to 5.1.1) crippled the sony camera capability, i dont see how the same sensor can take different photos unless the lens is different, also, you should show what exactly is your sony sensor. Example: A16LSIA00SM A16LSIG02...
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
Hello, yes it was 0,750 not 0,5. But my one is 0,775 I checked it again now. It doesn't have to do anything with the software. It is the newest software on both phones. I looked which sensor was exactly in both phones and it was both the same.

Rear Camera (Main)

CAM FW VER: A16LSIA00VM

Load FE Ver: A16LSIG02SM

Phone FW Ver: A16LSIG02SM

Rear Camera (73CX)

CAM FW VER: A16LSIA0001

Load FE Ver: A16LSIE0211

Phone FW Ver: A16LSIE0211

I have another question, too: Why aren't we able to flash the new camera firmware? Phone FW is newer than the Cam FW. Everytime I press flash it says that it failed.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
It fails on mine too, however there might be several firmware versions for sony camera sensor? probably means several different sony camera sensors too?

because yours is A16LSIA00VM while others are A16LSIA00SM, and if yours really is 0.775 then thats different from the 0.750 of the SM sony sensor version.

i know there are different firmware versions for isocell aswell though, as for not beying able to update the camera firmware to phone firmware i guess thats because we need some special tools that only the support tech has access to.
[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
The difference in voltage is because of the lower ISP bin not because it's a different sensor or firmware.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Thanks for your contribution to this topic but could you please elaborate about the lower isp bin?

Best regards.
[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
Not all chips are identical, every single SOC is tested at the factory to see what voltages it can run on without crashing. That includes the GPU, CPU, ISP and the Buses. Some SOCs can run stable at lower Voltages hence they have a higher bin which makes them a bit better. You can check the Bin of every part of the SOC by going to /sys/kernel/debug/asv_summary providing your phone is rooted of course
[Galaxy S6 General] Samed92:
So this would mean, that the ISP, that runs on a lower Voltage, has the better image quality? I've also seen some S6 in shops, where the voltage changed every second (unstable). That's confusing. :D

I will get a S6 Edge Plus in Feburary, I hope it'll have the Sony sensor.
[Galaxy S6 General] dghostpt:
Mine has Isocell. ?

But it is pretty good too ?

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[Galaxy S6 General] crzykiller:
No that doesnt change the image quality at all, its just how much battery power itll consume at the same frequencies. The voltages changed was because maybe something was using the ISP at that time and higher/lower frequencies require different voltage.
[Galaxy S6 General] alphanash:
I've got ISOCELL. I hoped my 128GB S6 would have had the "top of the line" Sony just because it was the more expensive variation of the phone. I got over it pretty quickly though. Looking at a bunch of articles doing side-by-side comparisons, both sensors are practically equal. The Sony looks a bit better in bright pictures, but the ISOCELL is noticeably better in darker shots and the white balance looks more accurate to me (I can't post links yet :( ).

Overall, I think if I was given a choice and saw the comparison pics I would have picked the ISOCELL anyway
[Galaxy S6 General] Braedz:
I have some comparison shots between the ISOCELL and IMX240 sensor in low light conditions, and the IMX240 is loads better. These were 2 identical shots, as have both the phones at the moment. Cant post external links on here yet though.
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Ok post plz lol
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
I guess you lost the comparisons? Damn bad luck again ;(
[Galaxy S6 General] Braedz:
I have them, but to get over that 10 post limit first before I can post URLs
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
U didn't yet 10 posts? Shame on you! :p
[Galaxy S6 General] galay user1986:
i have the galaxy s6 edge plus.

bought in israel.

made in vietnam.

i have it almost a month.

i bought this phone because of the amazing camera it had...

i made a lot of images with it and they were amazing.

i just discoverd this isocell thing 2 days ago...

a really didnt know

i downloaded aida 64 and i have the s5k2p2 sensor...

it makes amazing photos..

my daylight photos are about 5-6.5 megs.. not 4 like peaple said here.

my night photos are all above 6 megs in size.

i realy didnt knew about this isocell issue and i thought that the photos are amzing/

now after reading bout the sony sensor i dont know ..... it will always bug me that i could have the sony sensor..... is there rally a difference in the edge+ ?

i try to post photos later but they are amazing and file size larger then 4 megs like ppls said earlier. btw some1 know a site where i can upload photos without loosing detail?
[Galaxy S6 General] tiborprogmed:
your is one of the best camera modules from ALL.

I have the same, and this is much better than the IMX. esspecially in low light.

!
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
There is only one Sony and one ISOCELL sensor right? Or there is some variants on both sensors?
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Im waiting ....
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
ISOCELL: http://postimg.org/image/whyc3qkh5/

SONY: http://postimg.org/image/ia8nf37s9/
[Galaxy S6 General] galay user1986:
The isocell made a much better photo. Plus i looked at the file size.. both photos are 5.5 megs is it because the site you uploaded made some resize or it is the actual size? Because in erlier posts ppl said that sony makes 8 megs pics and isocell only 4.. i tested the isocell on my galaxy edge plus and file size is from 4 to 7 megs depending on the detaila... can you confirm?
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
I do confirm. I have some pic taken with the ISOCELL and some of them have 5/6/7mb and sometimes even more..

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Can do you take the shots in low light?
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
First to answear your question: The image is not compressed on either of the photos, the file size is dependant of the scenery involved.

Now to answear to your isocell vs sony conclusion, the isocell sensor snaps bad colors, the grass is nowhere near that yellow tone like it is on isocell, the sony one is much more accurate in color reproduction,

This happens because the isocell has washed out colors thanks to trying too hard to capture details that it shouldnt like forcing the brightness of each photo to unreal levels, which makes it take much worse photos in shadows and low light situation, also you can see that the image is very blurry overall while the sony one has a well balanced sharpness that is visible through the entire picture from left to right.

EDIT: As for taking low lights, the photos looked washed out and purple/pink tint in high iso settings on isocell, on sony they look great in all conditions, i do not have the isocell anymore but it did take really ugly pictures in low light @ high iso compared to the sony imx 240.
[Galaxy S6 General] galay user1986:
Is there any difference between the isocell sensors found in galaxy s6 and galaxy s6 edge plus.?
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Theorically it is the same sensor (galaxy s5 isocell sensor or sony_imx_240 sensor) for s6, s6 edge, s6edge+
[Galaxy S6 General] Braedz:
The ISOCELL takes great pictures in good lighting. But in poor lighting, it suffers alot.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
and where is this amazing nights pics of sony imx 240?
[Galaxy S6 General] Lovrinjo:
Is it true that s6 that comes with isocell camera sensor, came with plexi glass on the back not gorilla glass?? How can i tell is it gorilla glass on the back plate? Can I demand the phone with sony sensor ?? My s6 is 920f made in korea by samsung UK market with isocell camera sensor

Thank you
[Galaxy S6 General] galay user1986:
so i was thinking is it possible to go to a privete lab to get m galaxy s6 edge plus to install the imx 240 insted of my samsung isocell.

i even contacted samsung israel and waiting for their replay.

i searched google for sony imx240 and saw some images of the sensor.

i saw that hes serial starts with "t_v08/6".

so i tgought maybe i will buy this sensor from ebay and go to a private lab and change it.

i searched ebay for samsung galaxy s6 edge plus and got sensors wich look like the imx240 but their serial numvber starts with "g209f". and i thimk because of that there are only isocell sensors on ebay.

can amy1 confirm this or at least say how is it possible to get the imxfor samsung galaxy s6 edge plus.

im really happy with the isocell it has amazing photos but after i saw this post im always thinking that i could have got even better photos with imx 240.
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Trolls will keep trolling until the end
[Galaxy S6 General] 16v:
How to see if i have sony or isocell?

And how to get a sony?

Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
Search the thread for an unbiased side by side comparison from the russian website

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Ive read lots of people asking if they can get the sony sensor, chances are pretty slim for it to work out with galaxy s6 isocell version because they are 2 different types of sensors needing different firmwares and different drivers. Its not as easy as just to swap the sensor. Besides its not worth wasting hundreds of dollars for a minor increase in image quality, at least thats my opinion.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
i saying the amazing and unbelievable pics of user than have imx240
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Isocell super low light. Blacks are deep. Nice balance colors, no noise, no blur. Iso 400 with auto white balance
[Galaxy S6 General] galay user1986:
i guess that in overall you are roght its not worth the money and the risk of someone breaking your phone when trying to rpelace it, the difference is indeed minor and i guess that is more of a psychological issue.

yet this isocell thing is still annoying people spend a lot of money on galaxy s6 edge plus and expect the best hardware.

i hope that this issue wont happen when the s7 edge will come.

any ideas wich sensor will be in the new s7?
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
I think its pure psychilogical. Both sensors are slight different and respond slight different to camera software. Isocell users should use for example "opencamera" app or other for nightshots because standard app is not great. Only good for daylight
[Galaxy S6 General] pokr777:
Isocell PRO (iso400) vs Auto (iso800)
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
What's app you used?
[Galaxy S6 General] pokr777:
Stock camera. Just pro mode.
[Galaxy S6 General] Lovrinjo:
here the deal, my service guy when trying to open s6 he melted the glass on the back, he told me that almost every s6 with isocell camera sensor doesnt have gorilla glass on the back its plexi glass or plastic. so my Q is how you can tell you have a gorilla glass on the back plate and is it true that samsung would do that ? Should I go to the store and demand the s6 with sony sensor ? what should i do ? :(
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
Which is which ?

Hmmm, I just saw that the forum resizes the photos...
[Galaxy S6 General] allex1:
one more. Not seeing any pink stuff. Both phones are on 5.1.1 Camera settings were default.
[Galaxy S6 General] itzik_man:
To begin with: what the sensor has to do with the back plate material of the phone?

Here what you should do:

Go back or call your service guy and tell him he is a Moron!

The Gorilla back plate is part of Samsung's Galaxy S6 official spec, and they are opening themselves to a major collective lawsuit if it's no true.

The sensor type branding in their s6, is not an official spec.
[Galaxy S6 General] panosfx:
First pic is with samsung sensor(Galaxy S6) and the second with sony sensor (Galaxy S6 edge).

Both are with the latest 5.1.1.All auto.

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

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S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 by panagiotisfx, on Flickr

S6 edge by panagiotisfx, on Flickr
[Galaxy S6 General] galay user1986:
Thanks for these pics as an isocell user i also believe that the sony sensor captures more details a bit but im happy to see that the difference in these pics are quite minor
[Galaxy S6 General] Lovrinjo:
Thx for reply :) he told me to go to the store and demand a s6 with sony sensor becouse every s6 with isocell when he try to open back plate he heated with some kind special fan and the back plate melted . With gorilla glass it woudnt happend that . His words not mine i dont know isocell or sony i dont care my s6 takes great photos only thing that bothers me is that back plate. How can i tell is it a plastic plexi glass or gorilla glass? By knocking ?
[Galaxy S6 General] itzik_man:
By scratching the back glass with a sharp object!

If it will leave a scratch, your phone is a FAKE (probably a Chinese replica) ! An authentic (real) s6 does not leaves a marks when it's scratched occasionally with a sharp object, weather it's an ISOCELL or a SONY sensor!!!
[Galaxy S6 General] Lovrinjo:
Thx :) i guess my service guy is a samsung hater xD he owns z5
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
I do believe that once we get the proper manual controls (shutter speed and lower ISO) will put both sensors with same results
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Thank you for posting legit comparisation pictures between isocell and sony sensor. I didnt expect to be such difference, you where right its significant. I guess we should all sue samsung together by false advertisement
[Galaxy S6 General] EQ2000:
Massive difference. The Sony sensor photos have a lot more finegrain detail and noticably less noise and in return less noise reduction applied. Also interesting they both have about same noise or even worse and slightly less detail than my Z1 at nearly double the ISO (S6 ISO 800/1000 vs Z1 at ISO 1600). And even the Z1 needing less of a slow shutter to get there comparing same types of low light scenes that goes into the 800-1600 ISO range and 1/8 to 1/16 shutter speed and at Flickr auto downscaled resolution of 2048x1536. :cool:

People should really complain about the 'bait and switch' method Samsung is pulling of here. I mean isn't it the S5 ISOCELL? Also seems reviewers got the Sony sensor equipped mobiles and retail buyers mostly ISOCELL. It wouldn't suprise me if for every 5 mobiles, 3-4 of them have the ISOCELL so Samsung can avoid being sued. :eek:
[Galaxy S6 General] itzik_man:
What about starting a post with a class action movement (ISOCELL users) against Samsung (at least to protest our dissatisfaction)?

Based on their response to a question on the sensors choices:

Samsung Benelux's official statement to SamMobile concerning the use of different camera sensors in the flagship phones reads as follows:

"The Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge utilize camera sensors from several different vendors. Like all of the technology used in our products, they meet our strict global quality and performance standards."

Obviously it's a false statement.
[Galaxy S6 General] anewday:
Should send them to sammobile.
[Galaxy S6 General] jody2k:
Seems like a good plan we should bundle our strenghts together now. If you want samsung's attention, publicity is the best thing you can do. Im in
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Your Z1 have less noise than the S6? Hahahaha! I already tested the Z3, Z3C and Z5C and they all have so much noise than anyone smartphone.. I do like te Sony but they have been doing some really bad camera software, they have some of the best camera sensors but do not use them well... At the momment only the G4 have an really superior camera.
[Galaxy S6 General] supera3:
but these difference are minimal and ridiculous , i can understand why people have problems with this
[Galaxy S6 General] TheWarKeeper:
The reason you notice less noise on samsung devices is because of software post processing, if you take a raw picture with your galaxy s6 youll see alot of noise and thats normal.

As for doing something against this ugly bait and switch, i agree 100% something should indeed be done to not allow companies to toy around with us like we are some sheep.
[Galaxy S6 General] jonymimoso:
Any smartphone use NR on their shots, even DSLR. But compare an Z1 with an S6 and say that have less noise is an joke. All Sony that i had have always more noise and about the same or less detail. There is very much reviews about the bad post processing of the Sonys (special on the newer Z5)

If want detail only can recomend the G4
[Galaxy S6 General] Plinky89:
Can you give us a link to the original files please? I'd like to check exif data (ISO settings mostly).
[Galaxy S6 General] panosfx:
Uploaded the original files to flickr.You can click the photos and see all the details.
[Galaxy S6 General] theronlas:
How is that false, I am sure they have strict standards, but they may be lower in terms of image quality than yours (the fact that a standard is strict says nothing about the quality, only that any that fail to meet whatever parameters the standard covers are discarded)? Besides, no where do Samsung advertise the brand or model of sensor, the specs only say 16MP OIS etc. so as long as those are met there is no problem.