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[G4 General] autoprime:
DON'T OTA

going to post this once... please spread the word into the other G4 subforums and any related posts anywhere.

I'm not sure if this is cause for alarm... but just putting the warning out there... based on viewing the latest USCC and T-Mobile files... these recent OTAs for USA carriers seem to be implementing "antirollback" which means you can never "go back" to a lesser version. To simplify things... fresh out of the box all of your phones were at "0" and now after the OTA they're at "1". Both the TMO and USCC KDZ file's are based on the OTA which is a "1" so there's no concern of flashing an older KDZ by mistake... at least for now. Not sure what will happen with future updates.

Can only confirm this on the TMO H811 and USCC US991... Still waiting on Sprint users to grab the OTA URL or zip name for me so I can inspect that... but I suspect all of the recent OTAs from AT&T, Sprint and Verizon also used the "1" update. The European/Asian/Etc variants still seem to be using the "0" version.. even after the recent updates. [Not every OTA will bump up the "version"]

I can't say what this means as a whole just yet... Maybe nothing at all. But perhaps for those who wish to stay at that fresh "0" for now... try your best to avoid the OTA update. I know the intl phones can disable updates but this option has been removed in USA variants. There are talks of an app that allows you to disable apks on your phone... I haven't used it myself but perhaps for those who want to maybe block the OTA app (LGDMSClient.apk)... worth checking out. This is said app: http://xdaforums.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294

apks to attempt to disable:

/system/priv-app/LGDMSClient/LGDMSClient.apk (not in all phones)

/system/priv-apps/LGUpdateCenter/LGUpdateCenter.apk

Again.. I don't really know what any of this means just yet... just reporting what I do know. Spread the word.

And for those who were forced to OTA.. or saying this post has come too late.. everyone knows to never ever OTA.. and the app to disable OTA has been around for a bit now. I'm sorry but..

[youtube]zJk_64FrguY[/youtube]

Cross fingers and hope I'm wrong :fingers-crossed:

Phones with "v1" status confirmed:

H811 10H

LS991 ZV5

US991 10C

VS986 11A

Here's another thread with more info on potentially blocking the OTA without root http://xdaforums.com/g4/help/how-to-prevent-updates-g4-t3148650/
[G4 General] 06stang:
Don't ever use the phone! Don't even turn it on!
[G4 General] iowabowtech:
LOLOLOLOL...unless it turns out to be correct. I'm not the only one who's been expecting qfuse enable for awhile now under the ongoing guise of optimism. If this hold up to be the case, the good old days of LG hax will be behind us. Here's hoping this is a false positive but I won't be terribly surprised if its not.
[G4 General] planck0815:
In the Update-Options of the H815 you can choose to automatically update. The interesting thing is the last sentence of auto-update (see Screenshot):

"After installation, you will not be able to return to the previous version."

I think that confirms your assumption.
[G4 General] aaronrw:
[MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION] I can't find lgdmsclient.apk but am anxious to disable ota now any other suggestions by anyone? My pc is down so looking through the apps using root browser.
[G4 General] flamadiddle:
Can't buy mine until next week. I hope it doesn't have the update already.
[G4 General] bryanUC:
I have a T-Mobile H811, I disabled LGUpdateCenter.apk and it removed the software update link under Settings -> About Phone that mentioned LG's update center for apps & software. I'm hoping that's the one to block OTA currently.
[G4 General] BrokenWall:
With this said, do you mind telling us what version you are doing your testing on?

On T-Mobile is the pre-OTA or current OTA that team Codefire has been working with?

H81110h is the current OTA on T-Mobile
[G4 General] autoprime:
hmm not sure if it changes on other phones.. I guess it does if you can't find it though. It's location on my phone is:

/system/priv-app/LGDMSClient/LGDMSClient.apk

I hope you guys can figure out the apk to stop the updates. Anything related to FOTA, OTA, LGDMS etc... good luck :good:

I saw that before and it's hard to know what to make of that wording. I'd assume that most people who take updates.. if following normal methods.. are never able to "downgrade".. it takes the LG Flash Tool 2014 leaked tool to flash a KDZ manually... otherwise root is needed. So it's possible LG is just stating the obvious... "if you upgrade... you can't hit a "nevermind button" and go back to where you were. Or... as you said.. it could mean it's not even possible to downgrade anymore.. even you you hacked your phone and wanted to"

As I mentioned in my post above tho.... the H815 update from 10A -> 10B/C did NOT change the "version" that has been changed in the USA OTAs. H815.. even after the 10B/C update is still at 0. So it's technically possible to go from H815 10C back to H815 10A without causing any issues. I still am not sure what would happen to a USA G4 user who goes from a "Version 1" 10B back to a "Version 0" 10A... but I'd assume you'd end up with a brick... but maybe LG is nice enough to throw you into fastboot somehow.. not really sure just yet. After root goes public many users will try stupid things and we'll know exactly what to do and what not to :eek:

None of us have taken an OTA.. and we probably won't ever take one. And not just due to this incident but just a general rule of thumb. OTA's are always bad.. even when they "fix things"... unless you like to work through new security patches like jcase does. Not sure if something else has changed in the OTA.. I just know that LG and the carriers don't want you to be able to have access to your original firmware anymore.. so they blocked downgrades.
[G4 General] aaronrw:
I'm using T mobile variant [MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION] all I see is LG update center. I'll keep digging around thanks for your diligent efforts as well as [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] and all others.
[G4 General] autoprime:
hmm not sure. I also have the LGUpdateCenter.apk found in /system/priv-apps/LGUpdateCenter/

LGDMSClient seems to control everything on mine... I only have a H815 tho.
[G4 General] flamadiddle:
Do you guys think any new phone bought from now on will have the updates already? Getting nervous :(
[G4 General] aaronrw:
Anyone with the h811 have a way to freeze the ota app in house?
[G4 General] rockerrock:
Well, the second I purchased mine on 6/30, it did an unstoppable OTA update (as in it was required to run before I could complete the setup wizard) As of today, no updates available and it displays:

Build #: LMY47D

Software Version: H81110h

Security Soft Ver: MDF v1.1 Release 4

I just ran the "Block tool - Debloater" and disabled LGUpdateCenter.apk. Updates button is now gone as previously reported. Only time will tell if it actually stops an update.

I have Python, PHP and other programming knowledge along with a very fast dedicated webserver/server - is there anything I can do to help root efforts?
[G4 General] phineous:
Here's a post that may help people wanting to block updates. I've got an AT&T H810 and so far blocking the packages mentioned has prevented a forced update.

I'd like to know if on the AT&T H810, software version H81010e is early enough for possible root to work?

Good luck!

---------- Post added at 04:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:56 PM ----------

Shipped phones may or may not have the updates depending on the carrier. If you buy in store, they've probably been in stock for awhile so they most likely won't have the updates. However, the sales people seem to delight in turning on your phone and screwing it up. Snatch the phone from their grubby paws before they can do any damage!
[G4 General] flamadiddle:
Yeah, if they try to activate/update it in-store, I'm pretty sure I'll tackle 'em.
[G4 General] GUGUITOMTG4:
What if you try with the hidden menu code 277634#*# Then, tap "WiFi Test/OTA Setting/Disable". I'm just not sure if it disables it only for wifi and maybe also Data (?)
[G4 General] autoprime:
that trick did work on g3 (I've used it myself) but there were multiple reports from att/tmo g4 users that they were still getting the forced update after setting it to disable. it may work for some carriers... but I wouldn't trust that setting alone.
[G4 General] Th3Bill:
The setting didn't work on the H811 I have. Had it set to disable, yet still got an auto-update anyway.
[G4 General] larsdennert:
The debloater seems to work on the Verizon variant. No notifications on and still on 10b. The USB drivers are actually on the phone. You plug in the USB cable and connect to a pc and pretend you are going to install the vzw software. At the first prompt don't do anything. Instead copy the driver off the phone using Windows explorer. It is in the tools folder.
[G4 General] FPtje:
Here's a stupidly simple little tip:

By default wifi will disconnect when your screen is off, leading to it taking a while to reconnect when you turn it on. This is really annoying, but there's a setting for it:

Settings > wifi > advanced wifi > keep wifi on when screen is off

Really simple, but you just have to know. Now if anyone could find me a way to disable the vibrating when it's done charging that would be fantastic. You'd be a life saver.
[G4 General] creaky:
Thanks for that tip. How do you get rid of the sound for fully charged battery?
[G4 General] FPtje:
I only hear it vibrate because a tasker profile sets my phone to vibrate + priority mode when it's on the charger.

I've heard of a solution that has Tasker disable vibration when the battery is 99% and enable it again when it's 100%. But this is really hacky and might cause me to miss emergency phone calls.
[G4 General] creaky:
Thanks. I found the Tasker solution for the G3 and evidently the silencing apps don't work for the G4. I'll write/complain to LG and see if they have a solution.
[G4 General] RedOCtobyr:
I bought a Verizon G4 at Best Buy yesterday. It did not force any updates by the time I got it home. I factory reset, and set it up again myself. I used the Debloater tool, following the info here:

http://xdaforums.com/g4/help/how-to-prevent-updates-g4-t3148650/post61661149#post61661149

The only difference was that I couldn't find "LGUpdateCenter.apk", but I disabled the others that were mentioned. No updates have been pushed to me yet.
[G4 General] phineous:
Woot! So far it seems AT&T and Verizon phones are easy to block automatic updates on. I don't know about T-Mobile yet, not enough users complaining about updates. US Cellular and possibly Sprint might have more packages lurking in the phone that need to be blocked.

Spread the word and let's work together to try and prevent updates on all carriers. Hopefully we'll have root soon!:victory:
[G4 General] Mikemike07:
Is this phone worth it if you have a g3? Spec sheet isnt too impressive. For the first time LG is behind the specs using just a snapsragon808 instead of an 810. Performance would be comparable to a note 4 which has already been out for some time.
[G4 General] stewartk:
810 has big overheating issue so you'd have a fire in your pocket with that chipset. They used it on the flex 2 and its a flop
[G4 General] bolillo:
and this here is all i need to take the jump from g3 to g4 lol
[G4 General] dude_itsdevon1:
Bootloader unlock

I have the t-mobile variant of the G4. So basically what I want to know is, since adb reboot bootloader doesnt work on any of the us carriers, would lg have to add that in a software update before we got official support?
[G4 General] creaky:
RE: Turning off sound notification when battery is fully charged, I got this from LG:

"....For the alert, this should just be once when the battery is fully charged - unfortunately, there is no setting to turn this off unless the phone is rooted (a way to customize phone’s features and capabilities but also voids the warranty).

"The reason why you may be experiencing repeated alerts is if the battery is constantly draining while plugged in. Once the battery loses at least 1%, the device will charge again until it reaches 100%. At which point, the device will give another notification alert. Most usually, this happens when the charger used is not for the unit or if there are apps that are still running in the background that drain battery. We recommend checking what apps are open on the device when left on charge and turning these off. Games that are left running, mobile data, and Bluetooth contribute to high battery consumption.

"Once again, I am so sorry to have to disappoint you in this matter in wanting to turn off the alert sound via settings. And thank you very much for your patience and understanding on this. Please be assured that I will pass this on to our developers as well so that they can check in the possibility of releasing an update to provide a way to shut off the alert. We highly value feedbacks and suggestions so that we can improve our products and services to match our customers’ preferences."
[G4 General] GUGUITOMTG4:
there should be a way to disable it via debloater.
[G4 General] creaky:
FPtje describes a way to disable the charged batter notification with Tasker:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=61703714&postcount=642

Though it would be nice just to turn it off. If you have a method with debloater, please share.
[G4 General] cowsquad:
Is that bothering that much. I don't even notice it
[G4 General] FPtje:
That one second vibration wakes me up in the middle of the night. What idiot even thought this was a good idea? It serves literally no purpose. Can we find them on twitter and spam them messages saying their phone is finished charging?
[G4 General] cowsquad:
It is a brilliant idea. It lets you know that you can unplugged your phone to conserve some energy. A vibration wakes you up? You have sleeping disorders lol
[G4 General] FPtje:
Oh yes I want my phone to tell me to unplug the damn thing in the middle of the night. This is a very important matter. Important enough to ignore the priority mode of my phone that would otherwise only let through phone calls. And when the phone does manage to get my attention despite the fact that I was sleeping, it means that I suffer from a sleeping disorder? This phone deprives me of the most basic human need AND THERE IS NO OPTION TO TURN IT OFF.

This nonsense is NOT my responsibility, it is caused purely by the incompetence of the idiot who thought this would be a good idea.
[G4 General] pfizzle:
hey guys, you guys probably saw that ebay link for the 20 dollar plastic back covers. I got mine today! I ordered the grey one and it fits perfectly. I can finally go put a case on my phone before going to the gym and not worry about my leather back being damaged by the case

now before all the people ask me why I got a leather back if I'm going to use a case....the answer is simple haha. I use the naked phone with leather back casually or when I'm going out somewhere and want to show off. However, if I'm going on a trail run or to the gym, I put a case on just incase I drop my phone. Case comes off when I'm back home
[G4 General] rfarrah:
I don't think mine does this.
[G4 General] psycho_asylum:
I have noticed it as well. I started using my wireless charger at night and it does not do the stupid vibrate on charged notification.
[G4 General] smw6180:
So um yeah. The overheating issue was wildly exaggerated. Yes a few phones had some overheating. But people talking about cooking with it, and it burning their hands...yeah that didn't happen.

I had the M9 before I got this phone. I used the hell out of it (if it camera hadn't sucked I'd still have it) and pushed it hard. Yes it got warm, but the G4 got hotter than that before I warranty replaced it due to other issues (white flash on the screen, signal dropping for no reason, couple of other issues). But like I said, the overheating wasn't really that big a deal.

Yeah, so this is one of the reasons that, though I like this phone, I won't be buying another G4. This kinda junk annoys me. It's my phone, I spent money on it. Let me control the damned sound and buzzes and crap.
[G4 General] FPtje:
I reckon it's one of the easiest problems to solve when we have root though. I hate the whoever who thought of it with a passion, but it's not worth leaving the phone for.
[G4 General] smw6180:
That's not my only issue with it, it's just indicative of a larger issue with LG. The phone, by and large, is fine. I'm just not thrilled with LG as a company.
[G4 General] StarKiller4011:
So far it's been tough to find anything at all relating to the Canadian version of the G4. [MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION], any way for me to tell if I'm running patched or not? Phone hasn't done an update since I got it and it's running Android 5.1, Build: LMY47D, Software version: H81210c. Hopefully the root exploits for the US versions will work on Canadian ones as well. Thanks for all your hard work :)
[G4 General] gwertheim:
Ummm you do know there's a Canadian thread in the forums if you scroll down in the general section
[G4 General] Ser Gilgoroth:
This seems hostile, I thought this was the Lounge, not the 'get lost Canadians' thread. If this is not what you were implying, perhaps more thought should be going into your responses.
[G4 General] gwertheim:
I live in Toronto, it's just if u want to find Canadian specific info, that's where it is.

Sorry if I came off sounding hostile
[G4 General] Dennisg34:
I didn't think his comment implied that at all, he was merely saying there is a Canadian thread where he might get better answers specifically for..
[G4 General] jmileti:
If that sounds hostile then move on sir. No need to post when a simple search reveals exactly what [MENTION=5593160]gwertheim[/MENTION] said. Grow up. This place is getting ridiculous with the crybaby stuff. Start your own forum app if his comment is that much of a canadian attack. Hope you understand what we are saying. Common sense goes along way. GOOD DAY SIR!!!

Feel free to remove [MENTION=990284]TonyStark[/MENTION].
[G4 General] rfarrah:
I use a program called Sound Profile (by Carcanoe) and have the App set up to specifically not vibrate at night. That's the only reason I can come up with that I don't have the same issue as you.
[G4 General] vipulmathur:
New AT&T OTA update for LG G4

Does anyone have an idea what got pushed to our phones yesterday?
[G4 General] uly609:
https://www.att.com/esupport/softwareUpdateArticle.jsp?sid=KB426794&cv=820
[G4 General] oxide7:
Something just got pushed to my VZW G4. It's still sitting there reminding me every hour to install. Anyway to block it?
[G4 General] Ser Gilgoroth:
Thanks for the follow up, I do appreciate it! BC is full of smoke, hopefully Toronto is not the same.

It might be worth suggesting that the thread is stickied, as it is not nearly as active as this one. Just a thought, cheers.
[G4 General] StarKiller4011:
I've been through that thread. Not a single bit of useful info. Just people whining about Wind Mobile. I'm looking for help getting the useful info such as kdz and others. This thread had the info on all variants but the H812 so I posted. Also sent autoprime my device info and it seems I was the first. So why not help out and send autoprime you IMEI so he can get the device info he needs on the H812. Thanks.
[G4 General] Ser Gilgoroth:
It was just how it read is all, as XDA is fairly notorious for this type of behaviour. He clarified and that is appreciated. What reads one way to some, may read differently to others. At least your response was professional. Thank you.
[G4 General] phineous:
Try this thread and post there if it stops nagging you to update.

People have posted that LGUpdateCenter.apk doesn't exist on Verizon phones. While you are in Debloater, dig around and see if you can find any other packages with update or FOTA, etc. in the name.

Let us know what you find and your results!
[G4 General] bolillo:
The g3 has this also
[G4 General] the_scotsman:
I use Tasker to disable it ;)
[G4 General] Tomyk89:
Thank you!!

Was very easy to disable using the application you shared. Just turned on USB Debugging, ran the program, put a checkmark by the LGDMSClient and hit Apply. No more annoying System Update notifications!

This works great everyone, and only took me about 5 minutes.
[G4 General] StuMcBill:
How? :p:D
[G4 General] Haoh:
hi had my lg g4 h818p

can i root it

someone tell plz

and i know i reply in wrong thread

idk where to go xD
[G4 General] auggie246:
Literally information everywhere. Please search.

No root and no bootloader unlock available for the general public yet.
[G4 General] jaxbierley:
[MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION]. I have the sprint ota waiting to download. After your post I wont be installing it, but I wanted to know what you would need from it (URL or zip) so you can check it out. And how would I go about getting that for you?
[G4 General] hollywoodS14:
VZW model... will the debloater tool still get the job done even if the update has downloaded but not installed?
[G4 General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
No worries mate. This thread was created for such questions.

Most all are waiting on root:good:
[G4 General] water-:
hollywood, it appears so. I just ran the debloater yesterday my phone had downloaded the update (I had originally selected to install it later..but it eventually self-downloaded and was prompting me for a time within the next 24hrs to install, and it kept popping up notification--would have been easy to pocket/accidentally set it going). It appears to have held off fine at about 24hrs now..
[G4 General] autoprime:
Howdy. Appreciate the thought. Fortunately I actually had the update sent to me last night. Having looked at the update I can confirm it does update the bootloader to that "1" version.. so as far as we can tell... you'd never be able to go back to "0" (ZV4). Unless LG messed up or missed a part to properly block antirollback/downgrading... antirollback is set.. checking with previous phones.. it is NOT set.. so we can only assume it's finally real. Once root come out.. some lucky tester can try downgrading in the name of science... see if he survives it (preferably someone with insurance.. or someone that works at a phone store that can swap it out for free).

I would try to avoid the update if possible. It's very possible people who updated will still be able to root/unlock in the future (if we even get an unlock)... but it's only 100% if you have not taken it.
[G4 General] StuMcBill:
I have stupidly updated on my EU Open Market 815 - hopefully I haven't screwed up my chances of root.

I could always unlock my bootloader I guess.
[G4 General] hollywoodS14:
thank you.. anything particular i should be sure to do or look out for in the process to make life easier?
[G4 General] water-:
follow the instructions outlined in the verzion thread: http://xdaforums.com/verizon-g4/help/how-to-disable-update-notifications-t3152911

beyond that I did nothing. Was a very straight forward and easy process. I did originally have some issues with my phone not getting recognized by the computer and starting up ADB, but what i did was revoke debugging privileges (or whatever it is called)...it is right under enable USB debugging. then uplug the phone from computer and plug back in. Eventually it came up with a phone screen asking if I wanted to give permission to my computer, I said yes. After that it has been smooth sailing.
[G4 General] SpinningHook:
Has it been confirmed that the VZW update also puts its respective bootloader into the dreaded "1" status?
[G4 General] hollywoodS14:
ty again water-.. worked like a charm

SpinningHook, I do believe i remember reading Autoprime specifically mentioning Verizon as one to include the '1' status
[G4 General] stewartk:
Do you guy know how to check if you have a 1 or a 0 bootloader. Im on a Vodafone UK branded g4 . I've tried unlocking bootloader and I got a big thumbs down, but I've already done the update to 10b