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[G4 General] MicroMod777:
I personally think we should have an "all open" thread on root discussion where we can express our concerns and desires and not be censored as long as we respect one another.

I haven't been able to express really how I really feel about about root on the G4 for fear of receiving a warning or all out ban on xda. I've been on xda for many years and devoted hundreds of hours on roms, theme's, etc.., and this is the first time I've felt like this.

Just saying........ :rolleyes:
[G4 General] zPacKRat:
Anyone not providing technical assistance to the devs are not owed anything as it relates to the status of development related to our phones, period. If you dislike your device due to the supposed lack of development then you should have bought something else. The entitled attitude of some members is appalling, and no one important cares about how you feel!
[G4 General] spotmark:
Slow your roll there, chief. I don't see anyone acting entitled. I simply asked if we might get an update. I didn't demand, or say that I expected anything.
[G4 General] bilbobrian:
Relax man, a lot of us pitched in to get phones for the devs (which of course was a gift with the hope of getting it rooted/ unlocked). I don't think that a little communication is out of order. :good:
[G4 General] biff6789:
I sort of understand where you're coming from as the attitudes you describe are certainly found sometimes here on XDA, but I don't think the guy asking above sounded entitled or demanding. It's been several weeks since there's been a single word on any progress and so people are curious about where the devs are at. All of jcase's recent activity and tweets are about his HTC unlock, so has he just moved on? And we've heard nothing from the other team working on an unlock and a lot just want to know if they're even still working on it. Have they tried to find root and failed so they moved on and gave up? Are they still actively looking? Have they found something that might work for public release and they're just testing it out? People just want to know and so they asked, no harm done.

I'm buying a new phone this week. I'm about to sink $600 into something which is a lot of money and root is a big factor of that decision. Asking for a simple update on whether or not devs are even still working on it is not out of line. Yes XDA is has its share of entitled and rude users, but just as worse are those who snuff out and stifle any conversation whatsoever any time it is brought up in any thread. Forums only survive when respectful conversation is allowed to occur.
[G4 General] zPacKRat:
I was not calling any one person out, but if the mods have to close threads because of the topic. it's typical of people to get all up in arms about development/root/etc. where they have no right, that's all. next thing you know the general thread gets closed due to the same crap.
[G4 General] spotmark:
Well then, my apologies. I just find your timing, and tone, a little suspect.
[G4 General] :
Lgs new promo...
[G4 General] zPacKRat:
%$#@ you LG. I don't need the 32gb sd card, a leather back would have been so much nicer.

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I get that
[G4 General] FPtje:
More promos for America only because loyal customers from other countries have cooties. I wish I could get an sd card or battery for my Dutch g4.

Sent from my LG-H815
[G4 General] kinubic:
Wth. I'd rather have an extra back than 32gb mem card. Since I already use a 128 lol
[G4 General] Dennisg34:
I'd prefer the SD card. I've only had a 16gb up until I got the promo one and what's the point of a leather back when you use cases? I'm not risking damage for bad style

Sent from my G4 using your mom
[G4 General] rfarrah:
I STILL like the tan leather you T-Mo folks got. Keeping my yes out to grab one somewhere (cheap, of course).
[G4 General] snoz0r:
I agree with this. I'd like to know atleast if an attempt is still being made. If so I can wait patiently no problem. It's definitely kind of a bummer feeling like we're in the dark though.
[G4 General] autoprime:
hmm vzw getting an OTA... http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...ate-with-tweaks-to-advanced-calling-and-more/

wonder if any security holes have been patched.
[G4 General] spotmark:
Hopefully it's not forced. That is if you know something about the current build. ;)
[G4 General] tabp0le:
Not cooties...ebola!

Sprint is about to get one too. http://opensource.lge.com/osSch/list?types=ALL&search=ls991
[G4 General] player911:
It isn't
[G4 General] DylanTheVillian:
I'm going to end up with 2 extra batteries, 2 wall charges, 2 sd cards and 1 leather back... not bad for buying phone...
[G4 General] player911:
Hmmm

I always really liked that Blue color. I would have purchased that one if available at Verizon. Unsure if I would prefer the 32gb or extra back. I use a exact fit hard shell case now, says it is incompatible with the leather because it is so thin.

:thinks:

Meh, I guess I am happier with the 32gb card. I like the white back I have
[G4 General] thecubed:
Hiya guys,

I've been back from vacation for a few weeks, and we've been hard at work on root/unlock ever since.

Don't worry, we haven't run off with the devices you guys provided for us.

Currently, we've found a few exploits that lead to root - the trouble is finding the simplest one that works across all variants and is the most 'trivial' in terms of patchability.

The reasoning for that is we'd rather save the easy roots for the first few OTAs, as they'll get patched nearly immediately, and keep the more complex ones for later when LG slows down their OTA cycle.

All of our dev phones have root currently, so we're able to play around with root ideas without any issues.

Regarding bootloader unlock, we're still on track for a global unlock for all G4 devices. That's still the plan, no changes there.

Our current task is figuring out how to unbrick the phone should our exploit fail and land the phone in QHSUSB mode. If anyone has the emmc programmer files from LG for this, please PM me or autoprime.

Other than that, I might need to solder some magnet wire to the EMMC pins for recovery in case we brick in the process of trying the unlock.

Anyway, I'll try to answer questions as much as I can, but remember I have to be vague so LG (who's undoubtedly reading these forums) doesn't get any ideas and send over a forced OTA to patch something before we even release it... that'd be a giant bummer.

Thanks!
[G4 General] Dennisg34:
Hope you had a fantastic vacation and I think I speak for everyone here on a big THANK YOU on this update. It's something we needed because some people are tearing each other apart like starved wolves here lol

Continue to do your thing (and [MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION]) and (the majority) of us will still wait patiently:)

Thanks and have a great day!
[G4 General] spotmark:
A HUGE thank you. I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that now we can rest easy, and know that we will eventually see root. Bootloader unlock would be the icing on the cake. Thanks for the update.
[G4 General] snoz0r:
Absolutely awesome, what a relief to know that progress is being made. This should hopefully take the weight off most people's shoulders (including mine) that started to have a really bad nagging case of buyers remorse. Again, thanks for the hard work to you and the whole team.
[G4 General] tabp0le:
You can't get the new offer unless you purchase a phone in July.
[G4 General] DylanTheVillian:
I figured, but that was the flyer T-Mobile gave me when I purchased on June 25th.... I'm going to try anyway...
[G4 General] tabp0le:
It's worth a shot.
[G4 General] DylanTheVillian:
And I'll go complain to T-Mobile for screwing me out of a free leather back cover...
[G4 General] :
I wish I could have got this new promo. I already had a 64gb sdcard. And I need up buying a red back.
[G4 General] MicroMod777:
Thanks for the update. Good thing we have the restore kdz now to revert back to incase any future ota's patch root.
[G4 General] thecubed:
I wouldn't count on it, there's a high chance LG is going to be enabling antirollback on their updates the moment we release a root/unlock.

I'd be very careful with taking updates (just as a general precaution).
[G4 General] NinjaBuzz:
How long until someone asks...

The update on root progress is great. Anyone want to take a bet on how long before someone asks when it will be released or asks for another update? I'm giving it 48 hours, tops.
[G4 General] jcase:
hit me on gtalk or irc (Cant find you on either), got some new insight on this
[G4 General] jcase:
I don't generally give status updates, I have not stopped looking at the G4.
[G4 General] biff6789:
Thank you. I think that's all most people wanted was just to know

IF

anybody was even still looking at the G4 since all communication about it went completely dark for a several weeks. The updates today from you and thecubed pleasantly addressed those concerns. We still understand and will respect your terms regarding ETAs.
[G4 General] larsdennert:
I've owned a lot of phones through the years and rooted every one. BL unlocked when I could. Interestingly, this is the first phone where living without root isn't to bothersome. It's that good of a phone IMO. It has a built in Greenify type feature. It has App Ops (mostly). Reboot functionality and is pretty customizable. Not that I won't take root given the chance but it really is a great phone. Probably the best out of the ten or so androids I've owned.
[G4 General] jagman96:
I have a G2 and am enjoying a good dev community, first Loki and now BUMP. I will gladly jump to the G4 when a safe root exploit and custom recovery are available. We are fortunate to have some studs doing their thing for us. Until then I'll keep enjoying the G2 and have my popcorn ready [emoji106] .
[G4 General] nineeightyone:
Would you mind elaborating on the built-in Greenify feature? I was a big fan of Greenify on my GS3, and the move to the G4 root-less has left me yearning.
[G4 General] autoprime:
made a thread / spreadsheet to collect all KDZs in one spot.. just spreading the news here.

thread - http://xdaforums.com/g4/development/stock-complete-kdz-list-t3147406

spreadsheet - http://bit.ly/lgkdzlist
[G4 General] :
I don't think it works like that lol.
[G4 General] DylanTheVillian:
You'd be amazed at what I've gotten out of them... Went from a HTC Sensation to a HTC One S with one phone call and zero dollars. It helps when you've been a customer for 13+ years... They understand the loyalty. ;)
[G4 General] :
They're not going to be all "oh here ya go. Free back covers for your hearts desire" lol more like "let me just text ya LG's number since that's a promotion on their behalf and they'll be able to further assist ya." Haha
[G4 General] larsdennert:
There is an apk in the app manager called restrict idle apps. I can only surmise from the excellent standby time that does some coalescing.
[G4 General] jcase:
If I can find one, I'm in Sandiego until Saturday, if osmeone can loan or sell me a LG G4 we are ready to work on it.
[G4 General] Sunnygoldfish:
G4 camera ap port to G3 if posible?

G4 camera ap port to G3 if posible?
[G4 General] urushiol:
Any information about what 2g, 3g, 4g and LTE bands are supported by the international variant or any variants for that matter?

This will help me decide if I should by a HTC M9 now, or wait for the G4. :)

For the record, I really want to wait for the G4.
[G4 General] *justintime*:
I pulled the trigger and pre-ordered one. Because of a last time promotion of the provider. Will be delivered on the end of may. And get a free sd card of 64GB also a pre order promotional item.
[G4 General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
LG-G4 specs here
[G4 General] ThePhoneGeek:
Is this entirely accurate? I didn't this wireless charging had been confirmed and thought I read that QuickCharge wasn't going to be on this device?
[G4 General] *justintime*:
[MENTION=990284]TonyStark[/MENTION]

Why a link to the spec-sheet.? I know what I have ordered.

[MENTION=4639705]ThePhoneGeek[/MENTION]

Wireless charging is possible when you use the circle cover of LG. So not nice when having leather version.
[G4 General] gavinfabl:
Some of the non leather backs will do qi charging. Also qc2 not supported but faster charging is available
[G4 General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I misquoted, apologies mate:good:
[G4 General] urushiol:
Thanks Tony! I assume the H815 is the international variant? I really am wanting a phone that can work 100% on AT&T in the US and work on at least everything besides LTE on Vodafone in New Zealand.

What I ran into on the lg g2 is that the d800(AT&T's variant) lacked 900mhz g3, which is essential for coverage in rural New Zealand. And the lg g2 D802 worked great on everything in NZ, but lacked the US LTE bands.

Hopefully on the G4 they will release an AT&T variant with band 5 and 17 LTE that also has 900mhz 3g.

I read somewhere that on some qualcomm devices LTE bands could be unlocked by editing the NV data, does anyone have experience with this on LG devices?
[G4 General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
My guess is, yes. Sadly we won't know, for a month or so.

EDIT:cyclops:

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[G4 General] grrrr_unt:
Anandtech reported that G4 brings back panel self refresh that G3 took away. That should help with the battery a little more.
[G4 General] Ace42:
Are you sure they removed G-RAM on G3? It wouldn't make sense to have it debut on the G2, skip G3, and bring it back for the G4.

" To save power, LG specifically called out three different mechanisms used to save power on the display. LG states that panel self-refresh is still present in the LG G3, but dumping information from SurfaceFlinger reveals that it's a MIPI video panel, not a command panel. This means that either LG has implemented panel self-refresh in another manner, or that it's no longer present.

Issues with panel self-refresh aside, LG specifically calls out dynamic display clocking as one aspect of their system to save battery life. Inspecting the system files shows that the refresh rate for the display is set by a software governor, which has interesting implications for the custom ROM community and the effect that OTA updates can have on battery life. "

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[G4 General] grrrr_unt:
Either it's implemented in another way (which is rather unlikely) or not implemented..

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"The G4 reintroduces Panel*Self*Refresh which was unfortunately missing from*the G3, and this should vastly improve battery life over its predecessor."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9199/lg-announces-the-g4-5-5-inch-qhd-with-snapdragon-808
[G4 General] autoprime:
Looks like the Korean and T-Mobile variants have confirmed the OEM Unlock option. I'd expect the International version to have it as well... possibly Sprint and US Cellular. And I would assume the AT&T and Verizon variants will not have the option for unlock.

Not sure if root will be required first or not to get TWRP on the unlockable versions. This is very good news.. at worst root will be needed. And I'm 110% sure root will be available (maybe not day 1 publicly). :victory:

https://twitter.com/windroidguy/status/594905989083598848

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60473926&postcount=6
[G4 General] xetaray:
Since T-Mobile is giving these things out like candy, I'm pretty hopeful that it'll get rooted quickly.
[G4 General] Ace42:
Didn't see that article, but thanks. It's still strange that it skipped the G3 considering the complaints I've read about poor battery.
[G4 General] poczynek:
Can anyone confirm micro or nano SIM? Anandtech said nano but I've also read micro.
[G4 General] player911:
Everything I see says Nano and QI back plates are addons
[G4 General] bourseindia:
LG G4 Specifications

The G4 is coming with a new 16 MP sensor with f/1.8 lens and a new color spectrum sensor with a 8 MP front camera. The device runs on Android 5.1 Lollipop along with a layer of LG’s custom interface. It uses something that LG calls ‘human-centric UX 4.0, promising a more intuitive experience. The LG G4 has 3,000 mAh removable battery.
[G4 General] frigidazzi:
I think that's for the battery saver mode. If you go in there you'll see a toggle for it. By itself it does nothing if battery saver mode isn't currently enabled.
[G4 General] shawnten:
has anyone figured out if the new verizon update patched any root capability?
[G4 General] geoff5093:
Seeing as how we don't have root yet, I don't see how we'd know. Jcase hasn't been answering requests for his rumored root success on the issue.
[G4 General] Mahapederdon:
Ide hold off till we get root.
[G4 General] shawnten:
im trying to hold off but it just keeps popping back up. its driving me crazy
[G4 General] :
Try this.... http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=61630748&postcount=43
[G4 General] graysooner:
Yeah on the loyalty. A few years ago, I received a $75 gift card from them "for being a loyal customer".
[G4 General] spotmark:
I went into app manager, and I found 2 System Update apps. I could stop the first one, and disable the second one. I've found that as long as I don't reboot my phone the update nag doesn't come back. If you reboot, it will reappear, and you'll have to perform the steps again.
[G4 General] :
That's a good alternative but this will disable it until you either re enable it with the debloater app or factory reset. After you disable it the updater won't even show up in about phone anymore. As a added bonus you can disable any app with the debloater and save the list for future use so you don't have to manually disable them one by one. It's quite a time saver.
[G4 General] roosta:
Just don't forget about the H818p [when you say 'all variants' ]. It's the ugly cousin but it still the better version! Thanks for the update.
[G4 General] irtrueno:
thecubed, you are a saint and a godsend. I look forward to the impending root access.
[G4 General] uly609:
Hey guys just a heads up, looks like AT&T is pushing out an update. Mine just got the notification a little while ago and the update did auto install.
[G4 General] scrillakev:
Really a hard choice, to take the update and risk having a potential exploit patched or take the update and hope it fixes the miss touches.. Oh decisions decisions.
[G4 General] spotmark:
No brainer, here. I'll pass.
[G4 General] Tomyk89:
Big, BIG, BIIGGG Thank you for all of the work you and your team have done and continue to do on this. I have added my commitment to contribute to the root and bootloader bounty and will up my offer shortly. The G4 is a fantastic phone and many people will benefit from your hard work.

I look forward to your finished product.

THANK YOU!
[G4 General] JSkilnyk:
Sprint's LG G4 got an update today. After the update, a network update came down.
[G4 General] KaffeDisco:
Oops

Yeah, I did the (possibly) stupid thing and accepted the update. Any way to undo that or is there a possibility that I just lost out on potential root access permanently? :P

Like I said, oops..
[G4 General] jagman96:
We won't know if/until the root exploits are released.
[G4 General] KaffeDisco:
Oops

Yeah, I won't be making that mistake again. I just thought perhaps it would fix the stupid touchscreen thingy that's been bothering me, but didn't read the changelogs enough to see if it even touched that one.
[G4 General] spotmark:
Off to dinner with the wife, for our fifteenth anniversary. Maybe when we get home there will be a present waiting in the development section. :p
[G4 General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
There are now US carrier specific Ⓛⓞⓤⓝⓖⓔs

AT&T

Sprint

T-Mobile

Verizon

Go find your carrier brethren:good:
[G4 General] larsdennert:
I'm not sure about that. You can turn restrict apps in background on and off independent of the battery saver setting. So it may be active all the time if you want.
[G4 General] LoreCannon:
Call me foolishly hopeful, but I would assume that if the update broke root, thecubed, autoprime or jcase would have let us know.
[G4 General] tabp0le:
I'm sure they don't know yet. The updates are slowly pushed out to devices. Even then, each variant could possibly have slightly different updates.
[G4 General] FPtje:
Hey have any of the European people updated their device while TWRP is installed? I want to be absolutely sure that custom recovery + LG update doesn't permabrick the phone like it did back in the day with optimus 3D.
[G4 General] TaRsY:
Updating via ota while twrp presents on the phone, bricks g2 and g3. You shouldn't try on the g4 either.

Tapatalk-kal küldve az én LG-D802-el
[G4 General] FPtje:
Ouch! I'd have hoped they solved that by now. Is it a permabrick or can it be fixed by flashing the KDZ? Back in the Optimus 3D days no KDZ or anything could fix it except for a jumper cable.
[G4 General] flamadiddle:
AFAIK, that's not really something TWRP or any devs on here can "fix". OTAs often include signed bootloader updates which will break any custom recovery/bootloader/hacks. LG would have to "fix" that, and I don't think they're really interested :p
[G4 General] FPtje:
Sorry, I meant LG. They're responsible for it. Anyway, a brick isn't that bad if it can be fixed by a simple kdz flash. I don't want to be that guy who bricked his phone permanently because he ran an update with TWRP installed. That's exactly what happened to me with my optimus 3D and Cwm.
[G4 General] flamadiddle:
In my experience, once you've done any hacking on your phone, especially a custom recovery, taking updates via the default path is always a bad idea. The manufacturer isn't in the business of supporting hacks. There's a reason all this stuff voids your warranty. If there's an OTA update that I'm interested in, I wait until somebody posts about it on the forum, and usually someone is intrepid enough to explain how to take the update safely.
[G4 General] larsdennert:
Anyone figure out how to change the ring tone for the alarm clock?
[G4 General] woozzy101:
I've been using Timely as my alarm clock for a long time and love. It gives you all kinds of options.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.bitspin.timely&hl=en

I never gave the G4's stock alarm clock a shot, so not sure how to change the ring tone for the alarm, but would highly recommend looking into the Timely Alarm Clock app. Theres a good reason why google bought that company :D
[G4 General] rfarrah:
When you add an alarm, you will set the time and repeat / days, then scroll down for vibration / sound / volume / etc. settings.
[G4 General] drivel2787:
Are there any guides anywhere for developing ROMs for the LG G4?
[G4 General] tabp0le:
[IMG="Antutu"]https://cloud.spryservers.net/index.php/apps/files_sharing/publicpreview?file=%2F%2FScreenshot_2015-06-30-17-34-20.png&x=1272&y=1301&a=true&t=I8kU3g2kqG5XAwH&scalingup=0&forceIcon=0[/IMG]
[G4 General] esqueue:
LOL, it took me a few days to figure out that I could scroll down. I even found the phone's manual on sprint.com and that was no help.