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[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
Some quotes from Switching from Google Voice to Project Fi help page.

You can’t make or receive calls or access voicemail using Google Talk, Google Voice apps, or Obihai devices.

You won't be able to send or receive text messages or access voicemails on the web; texts and voicemail history will not be saved to Google Voice.

Tip: If you'd still like to use these features, try using Hangouts with Project Fi. If you've already turned on Google Voice text messages and voicemails in Hangouts, they'll continue to only be available in Hangouts.

Call history is not backed up to Google Voice. You can see your call history on your phone through the Phone app.

These Google Voice settings aren’t available: spam filtering, call recording, call switch, conference calling on the fly, caller ID (incoming), and outgoing caller ID (anonymous Caller ID).

As part of signing up for Project Fi, Google Voice apps and the website won't be available.​

This will have a big impact on my decision about Fi, I think.
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
Yeah this means I have to loose my GV number if I want to continue with my current cell phone number (Luckily for VOIP/Home purpose I use Obhai device with separate google account just for VOIP/International calling or home phone so that should be Ok) I may create a new google account just to keep the current GV number as I kind of liked that number easy to remember :) and give to people or marketing guys at first before I trust and give my cell phone number
[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
Yeah, I'm thinking of transferring my GV number to a new google account too. I have given that number, not my cell number, to all commercial entities I deal with.

A question I haven't seen answered about that is whether it will be possible to forward a GV number to a Fi number. Don't see why not, but GV has some weird rules about what numbers you can forward to.

Also, I wonder if it will be possible to have more than one google account associated with hangouts on my N6.
[Nexus 6  General] 02840:
I have the same question about being able to forward a GV number to a Fi number. I'm pretty sure Google won't let you forward one GV number to another GV number, so I don't know if this same logic would apply with all these changes.

I do use 2 Google accounts with Hangouts on my N6 and haven't had any problems. I can open Hangouts, choose which account I want to use and then make calls with the associated GV number. Calls on 1 number are still going through GV to my cell number, but calls on the other GV number ring directly through Hangouts.
[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
Now I'm trying to figure out whether it would make more sense to activate Fi on a new account, instead of switching my GV to a new account. What's the downside of not having a Fi account associated with my main google account? I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I'm not sure we have enough info about Fi to make that decision yet.

Any thoughts?
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
I paid for my gv number to be permanently attached to my g account when I integrated my sprint number with gv. I hope Im able to keep both numbers
[Nexus 6  General] dialanothernumb:
I'm wondering how the data charges are going to be levied. If your phone jumps from a weak/slow LTE connection to a stronger WiFi connection (say Google/Starbucks), is your data allowance still being used or does the meter stop as soon as you are off the cellular network? If the former, that would indicate that Project Fi is a QoS service rather than a price competitive option.
[Nexus 6  General] clairez:
Project Fi Vs. Google Voice

I was initially enthusiastic about the prospects associated with Project Fi. The many benefits have been thoroughly discussed. But what about the disadvantages? The more I know about the trade-offs, I am less optimistic. Here are a list of features that will not be available in Project Fi. I routinely use many of the following features with my current Google Voice account.

1. Google Voice discontinued on your Google Account and Nexus 6

2. No spam filtering

3. No call recording

4. No call switch

5. No conference calling (on the fly)

6. No incoming caller ID

7. No outgoing caller ID

8. No Google Voice apps from the web

Check out the following for more information:

https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6159953?hl=en

There are rumors that even after obtaining an invitation, that the required sim card will not be available immediately for existing Nexus 6 owners. But, of course if you purchase a new Nexus 6 from Project Fi, you will get a sim card!

I have spent years fine tuning Google Voice and enjoy the flexibility. It may be that after Project Fi gets fully implemented that some of this may change, but at this point I am more in the "wait and see" camp rather than with the early adopters.

Thanks ...
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
When you are on wifi the data counter stops
[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
Were you able to find a statement from Google about that? I've been looking for one, but couldn't find it. I hope you're right.
[Nexus 6  General] electryon:
I found this below:

Am I charged for data usage when I'm connected to an open Wi-Fi hotspot or my home Wi-Fi?

No you are not charged for the data you use when connected to open or home Wi-Fi. We only charge $10 per GB for the cellular data you use

fi.google.com/about/faq
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Nobody charges for wifi data, no idea why this keeps coming up
[Nexus 6  General] hotleadsingerguy:
Umm...yes. Unless you live *WAY* out in the country, home internet will almost always be faster and more reliable. It's also extremely more usable, since even the best cellular connections generally have problems with latency. There may be places where the home internet just isn't as fast as cellular, but the technologies cannot be refuted: wired internet will always be faster than wireless, all other things being equal.

To those saying "Why would I use WiFi instead of wireless"...are you kidding? Wireless N (which is old technology) tops out at 300Mbps, which is 30x faster than the average T-Mobile LTE speed (which is currently the highest average among domestic carriers). Change to Wireless AC and you now have a top speed of around 7Gbps (8x866Mbps). If you think a cell connection will or can come anywhere near the speed of LTE, you're insane. Most of the "slowdown" you see in public wifi is their crappy portals, all of which will most-likely be ignored by Google Fi (since they've said they're hand-picking public WiFi that provides great service).

Beyond all of that...I still don't understand how people hit so much data in a month. To the guy that doesn't have a computer or internet at home: Wtf? How do you not have a computer or home internet in 2015? I mean no disrespect by that, but in this age there are a lot of things you just cannot do without internet...and using your phone to do all of it sounds beyond ridiculous.
[Nexus 6  General] buschris:
unlimited data, my good fellow. and 65mb/sec data speed. many times faster than DSL or cable that 99% of people have. If someone is fortunate to have a T1 line to their home, more power to ya! public WiFi sucks, speed and range
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
In 2015 a lot of people are struggling financially, lot of people with out jobs or people accepting jobs that pay less than they deserve. Not everyone needs a computer at home, a phone and/tablet satisfies all the needs they would need a PC for. Also the wifi I have at home is not as fast as my LTE especially past 12am. My home internet caps out at 8mbps but usually caps out at 5mbps. My LTE can hot 60mbps. Truthfully if it wasn't for my ps3 I probably wouldn't have WiFi. Just survive off LTE and my 5GB hotspot
[Nexus 6  General] adrynalyne:
I always do my Internet usage between 12am and 6am....

You are both right in this argument. For those who have better available however, high speed internet at home is faster and more reliable. Cellular data is rather unreliable and all over the place in comparison to cable, fiber, or even DSL. While you may hit 60, it isn't sustained.
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
My wifi at home goes from 50mbps to 65mbps. My 4g lte cant match that. I guess im one of the lucky ones to have great cable Internet that doesnt slow down. I pay for 50mbps
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Can't wait until invites go out and we can stop this pointless argument
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
I just wanted to stir it up a little [emoji13]
[Nexus 6  General] kenbrownstone:
My WiFi is 60 mbp and my Verizon..... Wait for it..drum roll...2mbp ....no joke
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
Back to the topic anyone got invite or any idea when it is coming out ? I thought it would last week but haven;t heard anyone saying they got the invite :(
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
You would know if they had
[Nexus 6  General] TonyStark R.I.P.:
This post should do that:good:
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
I really dont use google voice but to give out a number to places I dont want to call my real number.
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
I highly doubt any invites will come out for the next two weeks.

WE NEED the ability to make native calls out of the dialer and not from google hangouts.

Google hangouts is completely different. We have to wait for android 5.2, which I believe is right around the corner to fully support wifi calling and the MVNO structure. Why else do you think they are requiring Nexus 6 device? It's not because they want you to get a new phone. It's so they can push that 5.2 to you asap bs some samsung/lg/moto phone that will take the carriers and manufactures months to tool around with.
[Nexus 6  General] cam30era:
[MENTION=4495543]8Fishes[/MENTION], I think you are partially right. In addition, the N6 is the only phone that supports both CDMA and GSM radios in the same device.
[Nexus 6  General] crachel:
Some of the Emergency Service (911) stuff has some concerning bits:

In some cases, the local 911 operator may see a phone number that is different from your Project Fi phone number. This may happen as a result of Project Fi's multiple networks. You can still be reached by your Project Fi number and you can provide your Project Fi number to the 911 operator.

Calls to 911 may be limited or unavailable if your phone is set to Wi-Fi only mode, or if there’s a power outage or a disruption in your Wi-Fi service or Internet connection.

I've called 911 once in my whole life, but I wouldn't want to have to troubleshoot a Wi-Fi connection to get it to work. Seems like they should default to any network available.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
The latter is pretty obvious - if you are on WiFi only and you don't have a WiFi connection you will be unable to make calls, including 911. Seems like a CYA statement more than anything.
[Nexus 6  General] crachel:
True. Reading over that section again, it looks like that's all they're doing. There's probably similar stuff over at AT&T if I just bothered to look
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
e911 is going to have some issues, but it will not be a matter of being able to dial and connect.

Phones are made to be able to dial and connect to emergency services even without a sim card for decades.

It's a matter of being able to quickly locate you, and perhaps a routing issue where your call can be sent out of the city you're in.

In more typical use cases where you can get a signal, your 911/emergency call will go through.

You may have to give your location, which you will have to do anyway with any regular cell service.

In cases where you don't have a signal from any network, you're just SOL.
[Nexus 6  General] Jgard:
I got an email from someone at Google because a friend put me into the friends and family queue. They told me my invite will be coming Tuesday May 5th (the earliest). So whatever that means...but I am getting myself a little too excited to sign up tomorrow. Of course, I have to get a Nexus6 to go with it, so I'll have to probably wait a couple of days before using the service. I'm sure going to miss my OPO, though. At least the Nexus6 isn't a terrible phone.
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
hmm.. that will make me more impatient from tomorrow and I will be refreshing my email, this page, project fi page and app more than ever

Thanks for that info on friends and family queue I will check if I have some friend over there ,, time to ask a small favor I believe ;;
[Nexus 6  General] dialanothernumb:
I think the new Moto E and possibly the Moto X 2014 have all the radios included. Also of course the iPhone since the 5 has been capable of CDMA and GSM.
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
I am surprised nexus 5 isn't apart of this since they have access to sprint and T-Mobile. Also iPhone past 4s has access as well. Not at all surprising iPhone isn't included but nexus 5 is
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Nexus 5 is missing the newer bands for both T-Mobile and Sprint I believe.
[Nexus 6  General] david279:
The only band that is missing on the n5 is band 12 and T-Mobile has barely started rolling that out. It has all the sprint bands.

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] xrishox:
does this depend on gapps or any google services? can you use this service with stock cyanogen without gapps installed?
[Nexus 6  General] cam30era:
I had a MotoX 2014, and it does not have all of the radios. There's a CDMA version and a GSM version.
[Nexus 6  General] shamelin73:
This is correct. The 2014 X will not support it as there is CDMA and GSM variants.
[Nexus 6  General] Jgard:
You need to have a Google employee get you on to a friends and fam list. If not, you'll probably be waiting a bit longer.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Ah good to know, thought it was missing 41 and 12, looks like it had 41 and you say 12 is coming out. They may open it up after the initial test. Makes sense to limit it to nexus 6 to limit the amount of people who can join.
[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
Bad news: I just got off the phone with the Project Fi help line. I asked them if it was going to be possible to forward a google voice number to a Fi number.

The guy had to put me on hold for a few minutes while he researched it, and the answer is No. Not possible. Here's what he said: under the covers, Fi uses Google voice, and since you can't forward a GV number to another GV number, you can't forward a GV number to a Fi number.

Bummer. Looks like I'll have to stay with my current provider, since I need to keep both numbers.
[Nexus 6  General] NYZack:
Actually, I had a cell phone number that I forwarded Google Voice to. I then ported that cell phone number to (another) Google Voice account. And the original forwarding stayed active. So you get "grandfathered in" with regard to forwarding one Google Voice number to another. No idea, of course, whether this would work for Project Fi.
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
Yes that is correct and I have done that too, you need to just forward it once.

So if you want to prepare just transfer you google voice number to another account with forward to your current cell phone number and when you transfer you current cell phone to google fi the other number will still remain active but not sure if the calls will get forwarded to new google fi service
[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
Well, that's the big question for me: will it forward OK? Maybe I'll call back on the help line and ask that question specifically.
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
I just dialed in and the customer rep told me I will be able to but again as he put me on hold and gathered the information so looks like they are also not clear and so we cant be sure of information we are receiving from one rep to other.

Although the guy did tell me that invitation has started to go out, so anyone got lucky here? (He said he didn't get his still...)
[Nexus 6  General] david279:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/05/05/google-voice-project-fi-invite/

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
hmm.... interesting and exciting so looks like it is now a matter of time. I am assuming it will be quick to flow to all as I dont imagine huge number of people on nexus 6 but again I think there may not be correlation between number of request vs actual nexus 6 owners
[Nexus 6  General] baudi11:
This might work.

1. Port existing cell number to Google Fi account (call it account1).

2. Set up my Google GV account (account2) to "Ring Hangouts for incoming phone calls."

3. Associate both account1 and account2 with my Nexus 6.

This would only allow you to get GV phone calls if you have a data connection, but that's probably OK. That might work.
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
True, but to be be fair its not like nexus 5 and 6 combined had record sales and out of those sold how many would join Google MNVO service? How many Nexus users are even aware of project if?
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Honestly, I would say a good percentage are aware of it, as the nexus program is not so mucha consumer device as it is a developer/enthusiast device. Granted the nexus 5/6 is more consumer then the older ones, but still I would say a larger percent of nexus owners follow this stuff compared to say samsung galaxy purchasers.
[Nexus 6  General] crachel:
If they charge you the same price should you go over your data plan... then why wouldn't everybody sign up for the 1GB plan and just pay based on their use? There doesn't seem to be any penalty as far as I can tell for running this scheme.. It doesn't interest me bc I use < 1GB, but I could see people who don't want to have $ tied up in Google Fi credits trying this
[Nexus 6  General] Novakingwai:
Good luck getting your home Internet to go 300 Mbps or even 7Gbps. Unless you live in an extremely popular city. My city caps at around 50 Mbps.
[Nexus 6  General] GrayBoltWolf:
7 times Google Fiber speed?

I think that got me a little too excited for a second there.
[Nexus 6  General] qnet:
If I understand your question correctly, they don't charge the same price if you go over like other carriers ( basically automatically adding on an additional GB of data and charging you $10.00). It's prorated at 1 cent per Mb. If you go over 300 Mb you just pay an additional $3.00

This is one of the things I really like about it. You could buy a 1 GB plan (at $30.00 a month) and if you go over a little, like my example above; you're only paying $33.00 (plus taxes of course) vs. paying $40.00 on a regular carrier. If you don't use a lot of that 1 GB of data, you get credited what you don't use.

It all bolls down to what you want to pay up front initially and what you think you will use. I will probably start with a 4 GB plan since I've never used that much data, but have gone over 3 GB once.
[Nexus 6  General] crachel:
I think we're on the same page. Using your example, let's say you have a 1GB plan but you use 1.3 GB. The cost will be $33.00 (plus taxes). But let's say you have a 2GB plan and you use the same amount of data, 1.3GB. Your cost for the month is $40 with the $7 credited back to you on the next bill. Correct? Same exact cost, $33, except in the 1GB plan you are not giving them $40 and having $7 tied up with credits. If that's correct, my original question still stands.. why would anyone sign up for something other than the 1GB plan? There doesn't seem to be any advantage to picking one the higher plans
[Nexus 6  General] qnet:
Yeah, that makes sense, I understand what you meant now.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
The FAQ (I think, saw it awhile ago) explains it like this. If you constantly pick the lowest them your next month's bill will possibly be all over the place. So you pick $30 plan and one month use 1.5GB ($35 the next month to pay for the 500mb) then you use 2 GB (next month pay $40 for the extra GB) then you use 1.5GB again etc. If you choose the 2GB $40 option it means your costs will go down the month after you use less.

It's all about what you want. Higher costs the next month if you use more, or cheaper costs the next month if you use less
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
In my opinion yes you can pick the $30 plan but once you exhaust 1Gb google will ask to reload the account by $10 which is minimum amount you can load in GV today as well.

I don't believe google will allow you to go negative or giver you credit for for the remainder of the month and charge you at the end of the month as this is purely prepaid service.

So rather than having to recharge middle of the month when I am out of data I would rather load it or commit it upfront little more than what my general data usage is.
[Nexus 6  General] crachel:
I don't think it works that way, from the FAQ:

For example, if you go over your data budget by 350MB, $3.50 will be added to your next bill.

And [MENTION=2527800]_Dennis_[/MENTION] I think you're correct, and it supports my point that some people won't want to have money tied up in credits with Google and will choose a plan smaller than their expected usage to avoid having any money no matter how small in limbo to be credited back next month.
[Nexus 6  General] qnet:
I think it all works out the same, it just depends on how much you want to spend upfront. If you don't want your money tied up in Google's credit, like crachel mentioned, then you can choose the 1 GB plan and just pay for what you use, even if you go over some.

I'm thinking about trying the 1gb plan now. I will probably go over the first month because I will be testing it out and using more data on purpose. I'm interested in seeing how it works the Wifi hotspots.
[Nexus 6  General] clairez:
Project Fi - So much misinformation, so many questions

I began doing research into Project Fi to answer questions I had in order to make an informed decision whether Project Fi would meet my requirements. There are so many discussions taking place it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Most of what is being discussed comes from anecdotal evidence (mostly supposition).

An example was my question about Google Voice integration. I read numerous articles in which the consensus was that Project Fi will destroy your Google Voice account. Some of the more reputable references include:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8559699/project-fi-signup-destroys-google-voice

http://lifehacker.com/psa-using-googles-project-fi-gets-rid-of-some-google-v-1702691449

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/05/06/google-project-fi-invites-go-out-but-theres-a-catch/

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/google-fi-kills-google-voice-number-news/

So, based upon the prevailing analysis, I decided that this issue would be a show stopper for me. And then I happened upon the following:

http://www.androidcentral.com/no-project-fi-will-not-destroy-your-google-voice-account

Now I am confused! I kept searching for people who had received an invitation and had gone through the sign-up process. Many comments about the invitations rolling out slowly. Even with a slow roll-out, there ought to be a steady buzz. I could and still can only find one Reddit user (idreamincode) who has gone through the process and provided screen shots of the process. See this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/34zmji/i_got_a_project_fi_invite_ama/

In the Reddit link a supposed google employee (projectfisimon) has added answers to questions. See this link:

https://www.reddit.com/user/projectfisimon

There is also speculation that the Reddit user and maybe projectfisimon (Simon Arscott, Product Manager, Project Fi) are Google shills.

Why are there so few reports of invitations actually received? I did not expect to find hundreds, but just ONE! Makes me suspicious and just adds to the confusion. Given Google's track record of fulfillment (anybody try to purchase the N6 from the Play Store?), it may be the Project Fi fulfillment team needs some adult supervision!

We deserve much better information!

Thanks for listening ....