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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
Good topic -> Discussion -> "Can always use AOSP ROM for Xposed" -> "But TW has features X, Y, Z and AOSP doesn't" -> "Actually it does/can, here's how..." -> Discussion continues -> "I didn't read the preceding posts but TW > AOSP because it doesn't have features X, Y, Z" -> Repeat until thread gets locked

Same way the current state of the General subforum happened, an ongoing pattern of "leaping before looking" (posting before reading). Mods are too busy dealing with "New Topics" that are being created despite it being a duplicate of the already locked thread directly preceding it. It's truly sad and is driving valuable contributors away from this forum. I was extremely hesitant to hit "Submit" on my post and only did so because of the many topics, highly worthy of discussion (such as yours), which simply can't receive it if this alarming trend continues.

I hope I didn't err in judgement and drive a nail into the coffin that this thread was descending into; I'd very much like to continue discussing it's topic and potential workarounds/alternatives if it does turn out to be the case that Xposed for LP Touchwiz ROMs never happens. If that turns out to be the situation, it will certainly be to the benefit of

all of us

to collaborate and work on alternative solutions to achieve the things that Xposed allows by the simple installation of a module. To that end, can I ask which of the modules that you listed do you feel are the most important (or which modification that they achieve would you miss most on TW LP)? It seems to me that prioritizing which mods that we feel are most important and tackling those first will help to make the TW LP experience better for all.

It'd be a tough call for me, but I think I'd have to go with key remapping or general battery saving system mods.

I would like to apologize for driving this thread further off topic and hope that my intent was clear. It was extremely frustrating to see yet another valuable thread devolving into "more of the same". This forum is desperately in need of recovery (no pun :p ) and just locking threads was clearly not doing the trick. I felt that my post was what needed to be said in order for that to happen. Just hope it wasn't "too little; too late" (in the wrong place) :o
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Temetka:
Either it will be updated to work with 5.x or it won't.

I used it mainly for youtube adaway and greenify. But after reading this thread, I found a few more modules that could come in handy also. Mainly for ad blocking. I *hate* ads on my mobile devices. I don't put up with them in FF on my PC's, I see no reason to have them in my apps either.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] twe90kid:
I actually flashed to a lollipop rom to try out. I found certain apps to install and tried to replace Xposed.

Upon flashing, I found that Greenidy "donated" version gets crippled to the point where it's basically a task killer. It doesn't keep the apps hibernated and doesn't push GCM notifications anymore. This was a big problem as GCM push can be big on battery saving.

Also I have so many task setup for automated service on Tasker. It uses Secure Settings to disable GPS, Turn off Mobile data, Set airplane mode, set lock screen, etc etc.. All of these couldn't be activated properly without Secure Settings. And worst of all? Secure Settings rely on Xposed. LOL

After 2 hrs of fiddling around, I'm back to Kitkat.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
ah sounds like my eventual experience.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] twe90kid:
Most of lollipop are visuals.. I'm happy with kk for now
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Face_Plant:
Most of those visuals are so damn sexy, but KitKat is where it's at.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] flipq88:
Does anyone know how to have all apps in multi window without xposed? Main feature I'm missing.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] flak0:
Xposed can make your KitKat look and feel like lollipop ?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] GermanGuy:
Sticking with KK until Xposed compatible with TW or until upgrading to Note 5 (unless no removable battery, then hello LG)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] _-..zKiLLA..-_:
Please fill me in, i love the notification dropdown the most :D

I am mainly staying away from lollipop right now because i can not stand the stock dpi. So i guess i am definitely dependent on the app settings plugin :(

Once we have a multidpi rom ill probably be on lollipop primarily.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
The good news is can always go back to kitkat :)

But I hear ya I miss multidpi greatly...but I know there are users on international who are making stock apps in various dpi...also know some devs on our end who got plans to look into it.

Worst come to worst will flash xnote international..he ALWAYS have build in dpi changer
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Face_Plant:
Please enlighten me.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
YES! [MENTION=4948919]xperiacle[/MENTION]'s MultiWindow Commander https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xpe.app.multiwindow.commander&hl=en Paid app (just $1.50... easily worth more though IMO) . After installing any app it displays a notification by which you can add it to the sidebar and/or pen window launcher. Highly recommended :)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] flipq88:
Dude, Awesome! App works great. Now I just need to find a YouTube ad blocker and I'm good lol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Good to know. Any chance of a way to set custom dpi and fix per apps as in Xposed app ops yet?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
A Change Of Heart...

I Can Admit When I'm Wrong.. :cool:

I know for a lot of you, it's the Functionality of Xposed modules more so than the Visual Effects you can achieve with Xposed like I did with the attachment in post #47..

But I've since upgraded to COD6.. and there is IMO.. an Incredible ROM available for the COD6 Baseband which is Pop 5.1 ( soon to be upgraded to 6.0 ) the Customization this Developer was able to bake into his ROM allows for a Nav Bar as well as a Custom Status Bar.. He even blacked out that the ugly pale blue background of the quick toggles in notification.. :good:

This.. coupled with the speed of Lollipop ( no more lag when opening recents.. ;) ) working in conjunction with Nova Prime changed my mind with a quickness.. I no longer miss Xpose.. if it comes.. it comes. :cool:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shpotik:
Just one question, unless your physical buttons are broken, why would anyone ever need a nav bar on a phone like note 4? Taking up room on the screen.

Sick set up you got btw

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Is there a separate mod to custom status bar anywhere? I hate stock status bar without xposed I can't do anything about it
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] theorioles33:
Need another poll option

Need a 3rd option for "Learned to live without".

I love Xposed but have since learned to live without it. CM12 for my Note 4 has a few tweaks that I used to use GravityBox or Wanam for so I am good with that. There were a few other modules I liked but not deal breakers.

I am happily living without it. For now. :)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
I just want to make sure that everyone is familiar with F-Droid (https://f-droid.org/) aka the FOSS "app store" (repository). This is the official source from what apps such as AdAway (and many others that could/would never be found on the Play store) can be obtained. It's similar in many ways to apt (Advanced Packaging Tool) which is found on many (Debian-based at least) Linux Distributions (if you're not a (desktop) Linux user, some examples of distros you may have heard of: Ubuntu and it's many forks (notably Linux Mint), Debian, Android).

Many extremely useful apps/utilities can be found there, ALL of which are Free... as in "Freedom", not as in "beer" (i.e. open source, licensed under one of the GPL versions, Apache, MIT and also free-of-charge as well as ad/trackware and invasive permissions!). Any user can also host their own repo via fdroidserver on their own Linux system.

IOW, it adheres to the "spirit" of Linux, unlike the Play Store which is in itself propriety as are the majority of the apps that are available there.

IMO this is where one is most likely to find apps that replicate the functionality of missed Xposed modules that aren't dependent on the framework.

I'm still holding out on 4.4.4 (DK 4.2... for now at least) with Xposed, but I'll start browsing through the F-droid repos for interesting/useful apps that could help ease Xposed withdrawal ;) and post anything that I find.

If nothing else, it's worth installing F-droid for AdAway alone, but if you've never used F-droid, you'll almost certainly be surprised by many apps that can be found in the repos. Some are extremely useful/powerful and some are pretty freaking funny! (Ex. from the most recent apps: Vaporizer Control Crafty... finally! No more need to 'manually control' your vaporizer :laugh:

I'm sure that many know F-droid, but many may not and certainly should. Now ya do :good:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] billybag:
Greenify. i REALLY miss the experimental Greenify features :( :( :(
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
The Response...

I'll Answer Your Question... :cool:

But First.. Thank You for your compliment

I have no idea what DPI you run your N4 at.. I run mine @ 480...

There is Plenty of room on the screen @ 480.. and they go bye-bye when it's logical to do so.. ;)

My physical keys are just fine.. I hold my N4 in my Right Hand and Navigate with my Left.. having the return key at my forefinger is ergonomically more comfortable than forcing my Thumb down to return key.. and it's much quicker..

And Finally.. without leaving your hard keys lit at night, you can See the Nav Bar.. I hate missing the Back / Recent's keys at night and have to press twice to activate them.. :cool:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ShrekOpher:
Get the best of both worlds use LMT you can get on screen keys anytime you want.

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Try Servicely from the play store. Been enjoying it more than greenify.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] billybag:
Thanks for the suggestion. Does it support GSM Push?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
Been There Done That..

Thanks For Your Tip.. :cool:

Known about LMT for years.. Don't care for it.. @ 480 DPI I'm Quite Good with my fixed on-screener's .. no "shortage of space" issues in this camp.. ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Servicely is a fair alternative at best to Greenify. Unfortunately I am not finding it as battery friendly and will soon be updating back to the latest Greenify.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Michael in ATL:
I mostly miss "No Lock Home for 4.4+". I realize Lollipop has "Smart Lock" but as far as I can tell, it only supports BT or NFC. "No Lock Home for 4.4+" would work based on geo-location, but more importantly, trusted WiFi networks such as my home. I find "Smart Lock" to be inconsistent and too basic for my needs - okay, preferences. (1st world problem, here).
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] BACARDILIMON:
Use location on power save mode problem solved.

BAD ASS NOTE 4
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] billybag:
Yeah, Greenify isn't as helpful without the xposed features. I need to be able to hibernate things like Facebook, but without stopping notifications. It's the GSM apps that drain my battery I think.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] LIVEFRMNYC:
Only willing to give up my Xposed features when getting a new phone. But not over some update.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] MC FLMJ1G:
Some developers are saying there is performance increase on lollipop. But as of now it doesn't seem like it's monstrous over kk. The battery life should be a tad better.

However, losing xposed is huge for me. I am NOT even considering lollipop until somehow some way xposed and TouchWiz works on the note 4. I would not even consider the note 5 unless KitKat would work on it or TouchWiz allows xposed to work.

I use about 10 xposed modules. However, I would not like to lose;

Privacy module, wanam, greenify, screen filter and, yt adaway and yt background are very cool.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] railshot:
I tested stock rooted Lollipop on my Note 4. Having to watch yt ads and lobotomized blocking mode made me switch back on the second day.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] gmenik6:
Is there anyway to go back to KK without bricking your phone
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] 10-K:
Sure. Just odin back to ank.

These are the instructions:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2957156
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] gmenik6:
I have a bad experience on s3 when when I update to 4.3 then go back to 4.1.1 to unlock my device I have a hard brick. Thanks to DocHoliday for resurrecting my device. I just don't want to spend $190 bucks if brick lol

Has anyone in here try it already.

PS sorry for hijacking..... peace
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Android_Monsters:
This thread talks about rolling back:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3007710
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] holywhitebread:
Greenify works on lollipop without xposed...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] twe90kid:
barely usable if your a "donated user". Half the options don't work.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
so i can't wait for Xposed to work on LP, so i might go full on AOSP

I have a few questions prior to doing so.

> what kernel options are there for AOSP? (edit: bioshock is avail for AOSP, not sure of any other options)

>> DO i need to save internal storage because of the way LP reorganizes internal directories?

>>>I know i'm going to lose all touchwiz \ wifi calling features, other than this, no other losses right?

Thanks all.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
Now, not getting a new phone because you can't have an app working on it properly? Shoot oooooookkkkk. That's like saying I'm not getting a new car because my old rims won't fit...lol I miss xposed yea...but if it means letting that go for something better in the future than why not? I'm sure the developer will figure it out someway somehow
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nosympathy:
From what I was seeing xposed may never work. Doesn't seem to be a top priority to fix it to work with the way Samsung messed with ART.

Y'all just gonna have to learn to move on :D
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Well, count me in with all the masses crawling back to KK. I ran Dynamic Pop for about a week or so & don't get me wrong- it's a GREAT rom & the one I definitely suggest to anyone who wants a stable, semi-customized LP rom with great battery life- but I just miss Xposed too much. Having to listen to ads in pandora is not something I can stand, lol.

Here's hoping the dev can get it working on LP eventually or else the other devs can come up with some viable alternatives to all our favorite modules. I'm sure we'll see more tweaks in time, but for now I'm sticking with KK.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] MC FLMJ1G:
I'd still put the Note 3 against a lot of phones. It's still strong enough for 2 years or so. Skipping a generationor two is no big deal. I tell people with the note 3 that unless they v want the best then there is no reason to get a note 4. Unless the note 5 is bigger then the note 3 will stilll probably be a good enough phone. Me skipping the note 5 for the probability of something better is no big deal. People still have S3's and S2's lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
made the switch to aosp. not bad.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] chong67:
If you have to do all over again, would you install LP?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] OriginxRambo:
i am :(
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Zoneofdragons:
its usefull but even less necesary

I got my first android since 2.1 and sometimes i like to modify the way it looks, because the function doesnt exist in stock rom, but now since kit kat i feel like i dont need too much to change the apareance it is funcional and pretty.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] chong67:
80% would not give up xposed. That means 80% didnt update to LP? That is amazing!

I am still on KK 4.4.4. with my Note 4 and I have no plans to upgrade. Maybe I just wait until I get my Note 5 to do LP.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] flexxoo:
MultiBoot and have touchwiz lollipop in primary rom and cm12.1 5.1.1 rom in dual with xposed and you all set at lease that's what I did!!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pipergca:
I think the poll should have one more option..."Used and loved Xposed on KK but learning to live without it." Thats where I'm at. LP is just so smooth and pretty I couldn't see ever going back to KK. AOSP not an option for me either, vanilla Android is just so ugly to me, I love TW.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
Well i'm going back to KK, even AOSP sucked for me. (not because of missing TW features, rather FC and overall instability)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Android_Monsters:
Did you clear data in recovery or factory reset when you flashed lollipop?

We just had to do that on a lollipoped up s4. It was the only thing wrong.

It's currently running the latest cm nightly.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] getbuzzin:
I don't know about anyone else but I can't learn to live with those YouTube ad. We've been spoiled for so long. It's unbareable having to watch a few seconds of those ads. AOSP is not an option because the main selling point of the note for me is the S pen.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] misterthankyouplease:
I had Xposed working on both cm12 and cm12.1. Got my YouTube Adaway running now! Don't know if it works on TW ROMs (don't think it does), but definitely works for aosp 5.0 and 5.1. Here is the page and list of working modules.

http://xdaforums.com/xposed/super-alpha-posted-permission-xposed-t3072979

http://xdaforums.com/xposed/modules...-1-lolipop-t3075257/post59955962#post59955962

So, yay! xposed works on lollipop.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] KingBeef:
I updated but will be going back this weekend. I want permission control back and my stock keyboard has a tendency to crash often. Thought of going the custom ROM route but it seems that the ones I have read about with some level permission control have other downsides like requiring SU to be set to grant or being unable to restore system app data from a back up which is rather inportant to me.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] twe90kid:
we're not talking about asop. sorry
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
dont install greenify!

it will bootloop you on the alpha xposed on 5.1.1
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Longshark:
No chance giving up xposed for Lollipop. I use YouTube adaway, chrome pie, tablemetrics, max locker, native clipboard. I dare say if you had xposed and relied on it frequently there's little chance being happy on lollipop. Plan to wait till the end of the year and reassess.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pipergca:
Oh yeah I hear you there. I recently subscribed to Google Play Music All Access which includes YouTube so I don't get ads there anymore so I forgot about that one.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
God I'm so torn. I'm back on KK with xposed, but now I'm getting almost an hour LESS of screen on time than I got with LP and I'm back to wrestling with all the wakelocks I always had on KK. Thinking about flashing back to LP but.... Aaaaaaaaarrrgh I love xposed so much. I could go AOSP but there goes my finger scanner. It's like no matter what I do I have to give up something I love & regardless I'll eventually have to update anyway if I want new roms & support :(

I feel like a little old lady clinging desperately to her checkbook and rotary telephone here, lol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sino8r:
Have you tried autostarts app from fdroid? That can smack them down a bit more Greenify but not as harsh as just freezing them altogether. Also for all those going back to KK... Make sure you reflash the old baseband & bootloader. I ran the new firmware with Kk for a week and it didn't perform very well at all. Most phones like that crap to match for some reason. A lot of getting stuck on HSPA and general strangeness. Dynamic Kat has a nice lollipop theme and a few xposed modules can you give that lollipop appearance. Good luck to all!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
I bought that app years ago & completely forgot about it. Thanks, I'll give it another try.

Unfortunately even with the NK4 baseband & BL, I started having the damn sim card error again that had been plaguing me on KK for weeks prior, so I ended up just flashing back to LP. SIGH.... most of the xposed modules I use are just cosmetic tweaks, I guess I just need to learn to let go :/
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sino8r:
Just make sure you grab it from f-droid. Neither are on the playstore or updated anywhere else.

Folks... I know how disheartening it is to not have xposed anymore with lollipop but I'm sure Rovo will figure it out at some point. As popular as Samsung devices are in the android world... I just don't see it not getting resolved. Have faith in our devs:good:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Ok guys, I found an app that can take away at least some of the pain of losing xposed. If you're like me and one of the main reasons you used xposed was for that sweet, sweet button remapping, I found a really good free app that allows you to configure single & long-presses of all the buttons. It doesn't do double-tap, but long-press remapping definitely works very well. I've got my home button set up to toggle the torch(though I needed to use the More Shortcuts app to assign that shortcut), my back button to launch google search, and my volume down to launch camera, but you can set any button to pretty much anything. It can also set actions for swiping in various areas of the screen & double-tapping the status bar.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phoenixstudios.aiogestures&hl=en

I'm very happy to have found this. I am using this on LP(Dynamic Pop) right now and it is working flawlessly.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] BableMan:
All I'll miss is disabling that darn "I know what your ears want" loud volume notification.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] duraaraa:
I can't live without Power Nap for Xposed. It's the same thing as Stamina mode on an Xperia, more or less, and gave me 0.3%/hr idle battery drain.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] decalex:
I'm assuming there's no substitute for Xposed module App Settings (allows you to change dpi per app amongst other things) but has anyone messed with Dpi at all in lollipop? I had no idea how much I'd miss this. Some of the apps look so huge and clunky now.

Any recommendations totally appreciated.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] gcastilloo:
I miss certain modules but it's not that I can't live without it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] madmike23:
That's what I'm missing, too! I hate it.

Also, there should be a 3rd option on the poll for peeps who did move on to lollipop and sad to be without Xposed.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] chong67:
Oh I hate that with a passion.

Is the BT and Air Plane mode thing pop up too?

Can you turn off the AM/PM ?

Thats why I am still in KK.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
Xposed or Die is the motto.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Not sure what you mean by airplane & BT mode, but on DynamicPop you can turn off am/pm & customize the colors too.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] twe90kid:
For the looks of it... it should be very soon.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
WoW! I assume this indicates possible progress for Xposed to work on our Note 4's w/ Lollipop :confused::victory::eek:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] noobiedev83:
Xposed is fully working in lollipop 5.1 already hopefully touchwiz will be next because I missed all those modules.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] twe90kid:
Look at this teaser video
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
No Complaints Here...

Lollipop keeps getting better and better for me... I'd never go backwards to KitKat at this stage of 2015.. :laugh:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Squilchi:
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