yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG G Watch R] rwischer:
No, I don't think it's really all that important. IMO the whole thing has blown up more because LG won't confirm or deny if WiFi is possible. As I understand it the WiFi would simply allow you to receive notifications if your phone wasn't with you. If I'm wearing the watch my phone is with me so it's really a moot feature to me. I just contacted LGUS because of all the hoopla I read and was curious. The fact that they gave me the runaround just has me all the more curious now.
[LG G Watch R] i_am_nameless:
Maybe the guy from LG Germany can tell us more soon....
[LG G Watch R] shaolin95:
I think for some of us its a matter of principles...I will not support a company that behaves this way but I am waiting to see how it finally turns out before I make a call.
[LG G Watch R] TDarrell9:
Nope :/

Just rang LGUK and they told me no it cannot use the WIFI feature it's hasnt got any antennas which is a big shame would help becuz if you move more than 20 foot away it disconnects and won't reconnect should of brought a Motorola 360 ha ha
[LG G Watch R] m i n a r:
Bs. Fcc certifation has also different tests which need an antenna to be performed
[LG G Watch R] Klaus88:
http://xdaforums.com/g-watch-r/general/g-watch-r-disassembly-t3093668

As you can see, the integrated chip is also WiFi capable, and since the chip is combo (BT+WiFi) there's no problem to use the same BT antenna for WiFi.
[LG G Watch R] jean luc Rio:
Réponse de Lg par mail 09h16

Bonjour Monsieur RIO,

Nous accusons réception de votre mail concernant la LG G Watch R.

Vous nous contactez pour savoir si ce produit disposera du Wi-Fi suite à la mise à jour de Android Wear.

Nous vous informons que la fonction Wi-Fi est integrer à la LG G Watch R, elle sera activé lors de la mise à jour de Android wear.

Nous restons à votre disposition pour toute demande complémentaire.

Nous vous prions d'agréer, Monsieur RIO, l'expression de nos salutations distinguées.

Service clients LG

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Réponse 09h05

Bonjour Monsieur RIO,

Nous accusons réception de votre mail.

Vous nous contactez concernant le wifi suite à la mise à jour Android Wear de votre LG Watch R W110.

Nous vous informons que le wifi n’est pas disponible sur votre montre après mise à jour d’Android Wear.

Nous restons à votre disposition pour toute demande complémentaire.

Nous vous prions d'agréer, Monsieur RIO, l'expression de nos salutations distinguées.

Service clients LG

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Ouvert du lundi au vendredi de 9h à 17.

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Date de réception : 24/04/2015 15:42 38

Type de demande : Fonctionnalité de produit

Produit / modèle : Smart Phone/Emerging Device/LGW100

Bonjour,

Vous serait-il de me confirmer que la LG WATCH R est bien compatible avec la WIFI, une fois l'application wear mise à jour.

Bien cordialement

Cliquer ici si vous avez d'autres questions

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[LG G Watch R] Klaus88:
So, if I my french is still good enough, LG France confirms the WiFi update.
[LG G Watch R] Rebel2k:
Confirms once and unconfirmed it once. 1-1 still nothing reliable yet... I wish the update was out!
[LG G Watch R] savekov:
guys anyone knows when should we expect this damn update? :) I am going crazy waiting for this s*it to come out ..its like I am awaiting a birth of my child ... :D
[LG G Watch R] m i n a r:
i need this update and I need WiFi just to kid the pundits who say it can't be.
[LG G Watch R] dersie:
LG Europe confirmed wifi this morning (mail to Jean Luc Rio) so I do not think it answer wrong info at customers ;) So I think wifi is OK for LG-R
[LG G Watch R] jean luc Rio:
Attention I received two contradictory e-mails thus not to draw from it of conclusion too much attive
[LG G Watch R] sixdaysandy:
This is the response I got from LG support in the UK

"Thank you for taking your time to contact us.

The G-Watch*Urbane*supports Wi-Fi, which means that it would support the Wi-Fi capabilities offered by the software it runs.

However, the G-Watch R does not have a Wi-Fi board, therefore it would not support Wi-Fi via a software update as this is not one of its specifications."
[LG G Watch R] yoelsd:
That is simply BS

The watch has a Broadcom BCM4343WKUBG board - we know that from teardowns

That's a BT 4.1 / 802.11n chip !, it only needs one antenna for both applications.

So I personally see no reason for not Wifi besides selling Urbans rather then "obsolete" GWR's.

Its how the tech world works, never produce your best always scale it back for gen X+1...
[LG G Watch R] XLAAX:
Hoping we'll get like... a press release from LG or Google to just confirm fully whether it supports wi fi or not (Or at least whether THEY'LL support it or not). It's not such a deal breaker for me, as I can't see me having my watch without my phone, but I would like to have the wifi functionality if it's able to.

Pretty pissed about this thing though, I suppose you can say it was a risk investing in a smartwatch at this stage as it feels they're trying to establish standards, like the LG G Watch R doesnt have NFC which is a little of a shame, as I can see that having use in the future (Though my phone does have NFC so I'm fine there), and it doesn't have speakers, (which could be used as a means of answering and taking phone calls among many other things), and I was fine with those sacrifices, but I still feel pissed that I've had the watch for just under 5 months, and the first update it gets, it already feels like its outdated, totally ridiculous, not how to treat customers at all LG. If this is all to just push Urbane more (Which I like the look of the G Watch R anyway personally), and if wifi cannot be used in it, I have to ask why it wasn't designed to be, surely they would be in the know from Google what they plan on implementing?
[LG G Watch R] Obiwanhug:
I like the french LG response... at first the Watch R don't have Wifi capability, and 5 minutes later it haves!

Great, they all know a lot of their own devices!!!
[LG G Watch R] edgeball:
How is the Wifi gonna work anyway? I mean, does it kick in if bluetooth is not connected or is it always on? There must be a priority I guess..
[LG G Watch R] kdarling:
Exactly. Furthermore, the watch's FCC test diagram for WiFi shows that they use the same antenna:

So any post that claims there's no WiFi or antenna, is bogus to start with.

Yep, it has WiFi for sure. So the only reason it wouldn't get WiFi support in the update, would be because of a (dumb) management decision to try to push the Urbane instead.

Hopefully we'll know soon.
[LG G Watch R] scanny:
No Wifi no more LG... It will be the number one of my blacklist...
[LG G Watch R] Obiwanhug:
If Lg thinks that LG Watch R will change device to Urban because of wifi they are dumb! The watches are basically the same!

In fact between R and Urban the decision will be merely by the look! To thus who want to buy a smartwatch and are undecided between a R and a Urban, remember that Urban will cost, around, 100 €/$ only because of the look! (In specs the watches essentially the same)

Further more, if R in fact haves the capabilities, and LG don't allow the users to use it, that is a total lack of respect with us!

We pay all the watch, not only the parts they wanted us to use!
[LG G Watch R] dilsoair:
See this video , note , bluetooth and wifi together on the screen from the top at 5:20 minutes . This video IFA 2014 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNvWK91Ymfk&feature=youtu.be&t=322
[LG G Watch R] blackalice:
And for any doubters on the whole antenna thing, here you go.

source: http://fccid.net/document.php?id=2385567#axzz3Yhg04hfa
[LG G Watch R] xzyk:
so we've seen the launch videos clearly stating wifi on-board, we have the fccid certification clearly identifying the wifi antenna and chip, well it doesn't leave much to come to the conclusion that LG are simply screwing us over or just promoting their urbane. Either they lied at the launch and the fccid cert is incorrect (which is very unlikely) or they are lying now, they cannot have it both ways !
[LG G Watch R] oniceto:
Shameful

It has become a habit of these large manufacturers too deliberately lie to consumers.

They sell you phones which will be upgradeable up to a sepcific version / time, and they "discovering" performance issues ' out of the blue'.

Then, there is wifi, yes... but not the... antenna...

Planned obsolescence has become the golden rule.

Who are we kidding?

LG has lied and deceived consumers left with a phone without future, obsolete months after being bought across the world and they suffer no consequences.

It is all too easy, if we don't start taking our money somewhere else.

After all, that is strictly all they're interested.

No more lg for me.
[LG G Watch R] Zengineer:
I wonder if the new wifi feature is for receiving google notification only or is able to receive third party app like whatsapp messages without phone as well
[LG G Watch R] kdarling:
Where on earth do you get "lying" from? Because someone on the internet talked to some low level LG consumer person?

Right now, half the posts say it will get WiFi turned on. The other half say no, but some of those also claim there's no antenna, which means their claim is unbelievable from the start.

In either case, I'd say it makes sense to wait until we get (really) official word, before going into drama mode.
[LG G Watch R] Wouterder:
ROM port

If the g watch r shares the same internals as the urbane couldn't someone port the rom over from the urbane tot the gwr when it gets released?
[LG G Watch R] m i n a r:
First we have to wait for the update! Lg could still change idea after all :/
[LG G Watch R] dkb218:
Either it will or it won't. Anything that changes my nearly 4 days of battery life in not welcomed.
[LG G Watch R] gderidet:
It seems that the Watch R has the 2 antennas required to catch Bluetooth and Wifi. But LG won't confirm because they want to sell the Urbane instead.

Will be an interesting challenge for XDA ;)
[LG G Watch R] AnthonyTex:
I'd prefer to have the possibility to choose: if you don't want WiFi because you think it will kill your battery, ok you can switch it off. On the other hand if u think it's useful let it on. BUT if LG doesn't activate it , users won't have the possibility to make a decision.
[LG G Watch R] sBel:
Also they are loosing new customers. I was planning to buy a smartwatch i almost decided Lg Watch R against Moto 360. But now i will not buy the LG until this wifi issue is clear. And it's not a matter of a feature i probably will not use, it's for the bad support for its customers if finally this turns to be true: wifi hardware capable with software update that dont enable it.

I think that watch R and Urban are two different products based in design and "luxury look" against "sport look" i will never buy the Urban for having Wifi. I will not spent more than ~200 in a first gen android smartwatch.
[LG G Watch R] dkb218:
I swore off LG phones after the T-Mobile G2x. LG is not a customer friendly company and will do all it can to maximize profit and if that means disabling the wifi setting in the GWR to get folks on board with the Urbane, they will.
[LG G Watch R] kashortiexda:
this ain't gonna make GWR users any happier either....

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...d-rage-because-its-only-for-the-watch-urbane/
[LG G Watch R] Obiwanhug:
Well, GWR are becoming like the Ugly Duckling... its a duck like his brothers but his mother don't like him!!! :p
[LG G Watch R] spimonkey34:
From checking out the FCC filings, it appears the G Watch R does have a WIFI antenna and it was tested. I've attached the WLAN test report.

The part that worries me is in the grant notes, the Urbane has this:

The G Watch R has this:

I couldn't find anything in the G Watch R's filing to suggest anything about enabling by software.

This does, however, prove there is a funtional WIFI antenna in our watch.

FCC Urbane

FCC G Watch R

Edit: Won't let me attach the large file. Here is the link: http://fccid.net/document.php?id=2385567#axzz3ZBRQjzNf

From the report:
[LG G Watch R] daedalus1066:
You did see the video from the release announcement, I do not think that was someone low level tech support guy giving the presentation. That was authorized presentation by LG and if it is incorrect a direct misrepresentation of their product.

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"Ok Google Call ........" works for me i would rather give it commands that punching away on the screen.
[LG G Watch R] Gypsycurse:
Possible reason for silence

Android Police Comment from staffer (someone pretty reliable)

" David Ruddock AP Staff Andy J • 7 hours ago

I think I may have figured it out - far as I can tell, the GWR never received a Wi-Fi Alliance certification. Search W110 (Watch R M#, or W100 for G Watch) on wi-fi.org - no LG results. Search W150 - Watch Urbane pops up immediately.

It may well have the antenna, but LG could have foregone activating it to save money on certification (possible SoC discount, too, if it's turned off). It's possible they're contractually bound now, and they can't fix this. "
[LG G Watch R] szaman89:
I searched Wi-Fi Alliance and didn't find any record about Moto 360 either so I think it's wrong trace.
[LG G Watch R] artesea:
Channels 12-13 are blocked in the US, so it's likely the FCC are reporting that they could be enabled via software. Your watch would work fine on 1-11 without this change if your router is on one of these channels.
[LG G Watch R] socalphil:
If you look at the urbane and g watch R internal from ifixit and others. You will see a white part with a grey square on it next to BCM chip. This is a ceramic antenna for WiFi and Bluetooth. The RF layout around the BCM chip is slightly different between the two watches, but I think this was layout improvement not drastic circuit change. If you want to research ceramic antennas Johansen and digikey have them for sale. But the layout change may have been to improve WiFi specs. The g watch r layout may have not been optimal and if FCC data was marginal, they may not want to enable it. I guess we will see.

Here is a data sheet for a similar antenna.

http://www.johansontechnology.com/images/stories/ip/rf-antennas/JTI_Antenna-2450AD46A5400_3-05.pdf

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Also the old WiFi design may have used a lot of battery. Something they may have improved in the urbane.
[LG G Watch R] szaman89:
Where do you see this? ;p
[LG G Watch R] wkd2639:
LG France are another one that have stated YES on their twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/LG_France/status/595877591732592640

Translation: Hello, the LG G Watch R has the Wi - FI function which will be enabled when upgrading Android Wear.

Nice day

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Woohoo that Andy J in post #47 is me. David who was replying to me in this conversation hadn't actually been in touch with LG at the time and was just guessing possible reasons that the watch had been tested for WiFi despite LG claiming that it had no antenna.

However today David has posted this on his Google+ page: https://plus.google.com/113781386215450614303/posts/6oLZ9HcKhxg

"

I'm waiting for more information before we post a story, but LG has confirmed to us that the G Watch R is technically capable of Wi-Fi functionality. The problem is certification: LG claims more FCC approval is needed before they can market the watch as a Wi-Fi device.

I would take this with a grain of salt for now - it could easily end up that the watch still never gets Wi-Fi, or that it won't get it until months from now. At this point, I'm awaiting additional details from LG."
[LG G Watch R] ChrisM75:
What about those of us that don't live in the US and therefore dont give a flying f*** about what the FCC certifies?
[LG G Watch R] socalphil:
I looked at the ifixit and other tear downs. I am an RF engineer so I understand the circuitry. I would try looking at this on a spectrum analyzer, but if the software is not activated there will be no output. The FCC probably got special software to turn it on. If they state they cannot turn it on because of FCC certification, then why spend a lot of money testing it. They would need ETSI certification in EU.
[LG G Watch R] wkd2639:
According to some people on Google+ and Reddit the EU version also has WiFi testing in the reports.

Does anyone know where the EU lookup database is though?
[LG G Watch R] alchicago:
"Confirmed: LG G watch R will get Wifi in androidwear 5.1"

According to this dutch website androidworld.nl the g watch r will get wifi (I am not able to post links yet so you have to go to the website yourself)

Rough translation - in my own words, not through a translation website :) - of the most important part :

So far it was unclear if the WiFi function would become available on the G watch R with the newest android wear update. The newest version would be rolled out however if WiFi would be activated remained unclear till the last minute. Androidworld was notified by LG that " LG Benelux (Belgium Netherlands Luxembourg) has received confirmation from R&D in South Korea"

So lets hope that this will be the final answer :) ..

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Hi,

Although the white part looks like a ceramic antenna; I personally think it is not. Main reason being that the whole section around the combined wifi/bluetooth chip is shielded - as such the shielding would also block the antenna and severely limit the signal. If I look at the layout, it seems that the actual antenna is not on the pcb, the signal is routed underneath the shielding and ends in a small contact point on the pcb that allows to connect the actual antenna (contact point is located next to the microphone)
[LG G Watch R] dilsoair:
LINK - http://androidworld.nl/wearables/lg-g-watch-r-krijgt-wel-wifi-android-wear-51/
[LG G Watch R] finalbillybong:
If this is true then fantastic.
[LG G Watch R] madds:
+1

looking foward for the update! will make the best smartwatch even better. I just dont see the point on launching the lg urbane with same specs and +100euros price tag.

maybe they werent going to activate wifi but were forced by the buzz on the internet.

I contacted LG uk and this is the response:

"Hi Hugo

Thank you for your email query

I hope you are having a fantastic day so far, this is becoming more and more of a common question, and the truthful answer is: At the present moment it is looking like the G Watch R is not going to support the Wi-Fi update via Android Wear.

Although the newer version of the G-Watch "Urbane" will support the Wi-Fi functionality.

However at present there are no release dates on the "Urbane" but I am sure that this will get released in due course.

Thank you in advance.

Kind regards"

They say that it wont have wifi ( as in many responses to other emails) but they say its "is becoming more and more of a common question"

We are being heard!

If the wifi is not enabled i will contact lg asking for a refund based on the fact that the presentation video proofs that they were going to enable wifi but changed their minds.
[LG G Watch R] wkd2639:
It is also worth nothing however that this person who emailed you back then tried to sell you on the Urbane and said there are no release dates on the Urbane.... apparently completely oblivious to the fact that it HAS already been released at least a week ago...... That makes it very difficult to believe anything else they have to say.
[LG G Watch R] madds:
http://www.androidpit.com/android-wear-update

Word on the street is that may 12 can be the day that the update hits our watches.

The waitting game continues.
[LG G Watch R] Obiwanhug:
Pois... mas não acredito! Seria interessante, mas duvido que venha hoje!
[LG G Watch R] edgeball:
sounds promising. Hopefully the update will hit my device soon.
[LG G Watch R] savekov:
May 12 but which year??!? :D I am waiting for this update more than I was waiting the birth of my kid mate.

Any news on it ? Is it getting out today or what?
[LG G Watch R] madds:
I got a contact from a high level position inside lg that told me today by email that on the next couple of days lg is going to make an announcement about the WiFi on the lg g watch r.

Doesn't sound good to me. If they are going to make an announcement it's to justify something. :/
[LG G Watch R] edgeball:
oh dear, that really doesn't sound very good...
[LG G Watch R] pikesmatrix:
So I take it we're not getting the update today then like everyone's been hoping. Oh well, no WiFi and no update. I'm wondering what possessed me to get this watch in the first place.
[LG G Watch R] Obiwanhug:
At this point I cant say what this really means... It could mean the worst... or it can be only showoff to demonstrate that they care with costumers and are making all so we can get wifi, but probably not yet!

But who knows? Even that "high level position inside lg" guy really knows whats really happening? Cause, all over the LG European branches we heard so many different opinions that at this point I don't really believe in anyone of them!

What I know is that is almost 13 of may and nowhere in the world anyone announce that received the update, nor in the GWR or in the Moto 360, or even in any other smartwatch!!!
[LG G Watch R] madds:
The person that told me that must know. He is one of the product responsibles for certifications. I just want to know for sure even if the update takes some time to appear on the watches. That way I will sell it or keep it accordingly. If the WiFi feature is not enabled the price on second hand market will drop. This is my urgency in knowing.
[LG G Watch R] firehawk:
I'm curious...

Does the Wifi really matter? I think I read somewhere that an Urbane user saw the Wifi as just a Watch-to-Phone connection only and not a Watch-to-WifiHotspot-to-Phone connection. If this is the case, then it's only supplementing the bluetooth, and not actually providing access your phone notifications remotely.

Or maybe I should just be asking: What is the Wifi supposed to do?
[LG G Watch R] madds:
WiFi will connect to phone via different hot-spots. And remember that this is the first implementation of the feature and could evolve in ways you will find great.

But the main point is that a product with 6 months and announced as future proof can't be denied of such a feature if it's there dormant since the beginning.
[LG G Watch R] Earzor:
It is a Watch-to-WifiHotspot. The synchronization/notifications in wifi-mode goes over the cloud. So the Smartwatch and the Phone need a connectivity to the internet. Thats the reason way you must enable cloudsync in the android wear app on the smartphone.