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[LG G Watch R] firehawk:
Thanks for the clarification.

I get that LG should give the update to all GWR users, since the inner hardware is literally identical. And maybe they dropped the ball on getting it certified, or some legal stuff. Or maybe too lazy to do a round of testing on a "legacy" product. Or maybe they're just being a-holes trying to pitch their newest watch and screwing over existing users.

But...I'm lost on the real world usefulness of this feature. These are the only scenarios I can think of:

-I leave my phone at home, and when I go out, get notifications remotely

-I forgot my phone at a restaurant, and it is connected to Wifi, I can use the watch to ring it through Wifi

-If my phone is charging, and my house is so large that the watch is out of bluetooth range, I can still get notifications

-If i download a large wear app, it could syncronize through Wifi a lot faster than through bluetooth

I guess because my phone is within bluetooth range of my watch 95% of the time. From what this article says, the implementation is crazy flaky right now https://www.wareable.com/android-we...port-gesture-controls-and-always-on-apps-1063
[LG G Watch R] dontpannic:
Pure speculation.

How do you know that the announcement isn't that they've completed the testing and licensing required to enable Wi-Fi on the G Watch R?
[LG G Watch R] madds:
Certainly that my opinion is pure speculation. Usually when a politician makes an announcement it's always a bad thing. :)
[LG G Watch R] mjjcb:
LG's media silence over this is concerning. I'll be interested to see down the road the sales trend of our watch in the past month or two. I have to believe discussions are had at the sales counter where customers are told the WiFi update is iffy at best. If I were buying a watch in the past month, it's definitely something I'd be asking about. Perhaps LG is more concerned with Urban sales, but with the R's price reduction, they are probably attracting slightly different markets.

I just think if it were a go for this watch, LG would have been bending over backwards to reassure would-be buyers that it will get the update. It's very cut throat in this industry, and any marketing advantage would be leveraged.

All that said, just for kicks I asked the guy at Best Buy, not if he thinks, but if he KNOWS if the G Watch R is getting the WiFi update, and he said definitely. I asked if they've been told this concretely, and he said they have. If it doesn't, I'll post his name and the number to the store if anyone wants to chastise him. lol

So much conjecture and speculation these days...
[LG G Watch R] dontpannic:
Sometimes I seem to pick the worst companies for customer information...

Here I am sitting and waiting to see IF the LG G Watch R will support Wi-Fi or not, with total radio silence on the matter.

Here I am sitting and waiting for Samsung to release 5.1 for the Google Play Edition device, with total radio silence on the matter.

Here I am sitting and waiting for Logitech to confirm whether they are going to develop a driver so their G25/G27 racing wheels work on PS4.

I'm sitting here rocking backward and forward gently in my chair......
[LG G Watch R] boywithabeard:
1. No.

2. Soon

3.No.
[LG G Watch R] mjjcb:
That article was released over 3 weeks ago, and it's been supported and refuted by reputable sources countless times since. Not that I believe it or not, but it certainly wasn't the final say on the matter.
[LG G Watch R] shaolin95:
And you have this definitive answers from where? :rolleyes:
[LG G Watch R] dontpannic:
Still no official announcements for any of them I'm sorry to burst your bubble! I am already aware of those positions at the moment, however it seems to be:

1. LG doesn't even know

2. How long is a piece of string?

3. Stay Tuned for announcements
[LG G Watch R] madds:
Here is one more bit of info:

https://translate.google.pt/transla...ear-51/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

Quote from the article:

"It was long uncertain whether the LG G Watch R would get a WiFi support in the update to Android 5.1 Wear. We have now received final confirmation from LG that it will be the case."
[LG G Watch R] dontpannic:
That what will be the case? That it will get Wi-Fi or won't? Excellent confirmation haha
[LG G Watch R] madds:
Google translation at it's best ;)

But from what i understood they recieved confirmation that the wifi feature will be available after the update.
[LG G Watch R] edgeball:
Here's a pretty good article on Androidpit

http://www.androidpit.com/android-wear-and-wi-fi-connectivity
[LG G Watch R] boywithabeard:
After extensive and exhaustive research:D, i found this definitive answer.

I do subscribe to the notion that the watch is capable of wifi but LG wants to keep it quiet until the Urbane sells for a while. This would be to deter people from buying the price reduced hardware and instead buy the new, publicly announced-WiFi capable unit. I just bought one(GWR) anyway with no

hopes of WiFi. That way I won't be let down when it doesn't happen. Such is the price for Last Gen hardware.
[LG G Watch R] madds:
It's not definitive since lg France and other branches confirmed that WiFi will be available. But I agree with the theory that they want to push the sales on the urbane. Why buy watch 100€ more expensive than the g watch r if it's the same machine?
[LG G Watch R] pikesmatrix:
I've actually come to a point now where I don't really care whether it comes with WiFi or not, I just want the update.
[LG G Watch R] corticool:
From Google's official blog

For what it's worth, here's what you can find on Google's official blog (Posted Monday, April 20, 2015):

http://googleblog.blogspot.ch/2015/04/android-wear-wear-what-you-want-get.html

"Now Android Wear supports watches with built-in Wi-Fi."

"These updates are coming to all seven Android Wear watches over the next few weeks, starting with the new LG Watch Urbane."

Arguably, the GWR does have built-in Wi-Fi.

Jus' sayin'. :cool:
[LG G Watch R] dkb218:
That's says nothing about the GWR having wifi. Only States that it will receive the update.
[LG G Watch R] corticool:
Well, the update brings Wi-Fi to devices with built-in Wi-Fi, which is the case with the GWR (Wi-Fi antenna and chip), so I'm not ready to give up all hope just yet!
[LG G Watch R] edgeball:
Updates are being pushed to zen watch and probably others too according to xda
[LG G Watch R] lappydk:
I was at the nordic launch event off G4, where i asked them.

I've warned them about the question, before the event, but the clear answer was sadly NO.
[LG G Watch R] mjjcb:
Aside from LG making an official statement, I don't consider any story or source as completely reliable. No offense to anyone who's posted them. I don't plan on selling this watch if it doesn't happen. I hope it does, but it won't be crushing if it doesn't.
[LG G Watch R] Topgun966:
Hmm

Wasn't this finalized that yes, it has the WiFi radio but does not have the antenna for it?
[LG G Watch R] mjjcb:
I don't think so. I'm sure I've seen reports from reputable sources verifying that it was dismantled and found to have all the necessary hardware. This has some people speculating that LG didn't get the fcc license to activate it.

All conjecture at this point...
[LG G Watch R] Ginxeng:
It does have the antenna as it uses the same one for bluetooth. Bluetooth and wifi use very different frequencies so they are able to co-exist on the same antenna.
[LG G Watch R] shtepsel:
I know that both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi use 2.4 GHz

There is 5GHz Wi-Fi networks , but the majority are 2.4.
[LG G Watch R] sola fide:
Yes and no. Both do use the 2.4GHz band but Bluetooth has been designed to eliminate (reduce/minimize to almost 0) interference by using Frequency Hopping. This allows both to be used in the same spectrum, and on same antenna, without interfering.
[LG G Watch R] firehawk:
The update is released. What's the verdict from this round?

Does this mean we have to fallback on rooting/retrofitting parts of the Urbane ROM (or just plain installing the whole ROM)?
[LG G Watch R] KiraYahiroz:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-360-sony-smartwatch-3-and-samsung-gear-live/

So hardware wise it seems fine, just needs additional certification. Hopefully one day wifi support will come to this watch... I saw the G Watch R on a digital advertisement board around where I work today so LG still seems willing to sell and support this device at least.
[LG G Watch R] gabrymr:
I really can choose the most f-ed up devices ever... first the Desire HD that never got 4.0, then Galaxy S3 that never got kitkat, now G watch R... next time I'll buy something that I wouldn't buy, maybe that will help.
[LG G Watch R] firehawk:
Even companies with incredible customer service (e.g. Apple) have legacy devices left in the dust when it comes to software updates. I remember when iPhone 4S and iPad mini both got Siri, but iPad 2 did not, even though they had identical processors and similar internals.
[LG G Watch R] Ginxeng:
Is the update out already? I've check my watch but still no update for it. Also if we don't get wifi on this update, that doesn't mean we will never ever get wifi. Maybe LG wants to give us the update 5.1.1 but they want to hold off giving us GWR owners wifi so they can sell more Urbanes first. :fingers-crossed:
[LG G Watch R] Ironlion45:
Which is, of course, going to have the opposite effect. Like I'm going to spend more money on lg after they pulled this move?
[LG G Watch R] Ginxeng:
Oh I know, still just hoping we still get wifi, not like I'm going to run out and buy an Urbane myself. I've only had this watch since march and I paid full price so its going to be a long time before I get another smart watch and it sure won't be Lg Brand.
[LG G Watch R] wilsonliang777:
I have more faith that XDA members will figure a way to enable wifi. Lg know about Google's plan to enable WiFi a long time ago but this is their business plan. Put out the GWR without WiFi n in 6 months push out a newer watch with WiFi to get ppl to buy the new watch. No thank you.
[LG G Watch R] waposan:
get the OTA.. no wifi...

#nevermoreLG in my life !
[LG G Watch R] doki81:
lol..next time let us know what device you going after...at least we will try to avoid what you buy :P
[LG G Watch R] mindfever91:
I'm also a bit disappointed to not see the WiFi option after the update, but after all the news, I'm not really surprised. I'll give LG time to enable WiFi until the Moto 360 2nd Gen. is released and make the switch when they can't manage to do so.
[LG G Watch R] gabrymr:
Gladly :)

Well anyway wifi wouldn't make any difference for me as I only have wifi at home, but I'm just afraid this could mean early end of support for the device as I wasn't planning on updating for at least a year or more.
[LG G Watch R] gusano38:
I have not got the 5.1.1 update so I cannot test this:

adb shell

su <-------- yep, you need to be rooted

svc wifi enable

Could somebody try this and tell me if something happens?

Thanks!
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
I just tried it and it does nothing. I mean, it doesn't report an error in the shell or anything, it just jumps to a new line. Anything else you want me to try?
[LG G Watch R] finalbillybong:
My guess would be reboot and check if wifi has appeared in Settings.
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
Already done, and nope, unfortunately it didn't appear.
[LG G Watch R] gusano38:
Ummm, that is actually the correct behavior... in 5.0.1 you get an error.

I would bet that all the wifi framework is in there. I guess we need something else to make the menu appear in settings.
[LG G Watch R] madds:
It must need the drivers for wifi to appear.

I've read earlier today here that theres a small file of the OTA (cant remember if its boot.img or other part) that is bigger on the lg g watch urbane than on the g watch r and that must be due to the inclusion of drivers.

Found this page about enabling wifi via adb:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10033757/how-to-turn-off-wifi-via-adb maybe we can get some ideas from there.

But i think that it wouldnt be as simple as that to enable wifi. But i hope so!
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
there is a "wifi-service.jar" in /system/framework
[LG G Watch R] gusano38:
what about build.prop? anything that looks suspicious in there?
[LG G Watch R] finalbillybong:
Perhaps wifi is now functioning, just not showing in settings?
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
only "ro.wifi.channels=" but that has been there on 5.0.2 aswell
[LG G Watch R] gusano38:
Just to be sure, do you have the wifi option activated in the android wear app?
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
I have Wifi Sync turned on in the Android Wear app, yes.
[LG G Watch R] gusano38:
Well, I guess I was being too optimistic :p

Once I get the update I will go inside and check if I find something else.

At least we can be pretty sure that the wifi framework is in there... I hope it is just a .xml somewhere that needs to be edited. It would also be nice to compare with a wifi enabled watch.
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
you could download the OTA or the stock system img and snoop around a bit :D

yes, I am waiting for someone with a G Watch Urbane to Upload a system image.
[LG G Watch R] finalbillybong:
Why don't you just sideload the update now? It takes two mins.

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Me too although I fear we will be waiting a while... There seems to be progress towards pulling the images we need at all..
[LG G Watch R] wilbur-force:
Anyone hoping that lg might have left it stupidly easy to enable on purpose as "officially" their hands are tied ??

Or is that too optimistic ? :)
[LG G Watch R] jimbobtexas:
FYI - when I unlocked my bootloader, the watch reset, and the download for the update started. YMMV.
[LG G Watch R] gabrymr:
It's clear it's done to sell urbanes aka "Your R bane"
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
this is btw what logcat gives me when trying to enable wifi ^^

EDIT: When disabling and trying to enable again I get THIS! (second screenshot, the one about wpa_supplicant) :D

But I guess the drivers are indeed missing, as it doesn't find a wlan0 device :)

There are driver files for the bcm4343 available, but they have to be compiled (I think) and I don't have the skills for that D: the BCM4343 is only available in the generic L release https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/broadcom/wlan/+/lollipop-mr1-release and here's the link for the Wear bcm drivers https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/broadcom/wlan/+/lollipop-wear-release, but they don't have the bcm4343 included! I guess a ROM Dump of a G watch Urbane would really help. Anyone have it? If yes, PM me! :)
[LG G Watch R] edgeball:
I wonder if the Urbane ROM shows the top drawer full screen or leaves a crack "flat tire?"

Maybe we got some parts of the moto365 rom....
[LG G Watch R] gtirsmiley:
Maybe one of you smarter folks might want to get in touch with the people in the Urbane forum?

http://xdaforums.com/watch-urbane/general/lg-urbane-update-wear-5-1-1-t3112350

These people are posting that they received the update. Maybe get in touch and see if they can share their version or whatever may be useful? :D
[LG G Watch R] chrs2021:
I would also look in to comparing the device trees for both devices. Especially considering the urbane users aren't able to use the same recoveries.

here is the device tree for Lenok - GWR

https://android.googlesource.com/ke...f3edf30ad73cf/arch/arm/boot/dts/apq8026-lenok

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Guys -

https://android.googlesource.com/ke...arm/boot/dts/apq8026-lenok/apq8026-lenok.dtsi

lines 88,89

qcom,wcnss-wlan@fb000000 {

status = "disabled";

};

edit: Typos
[LG G Watch R] nicogri:
Hummm that seems good... I am very confident of getting wifi real soon (I am typing on my hp touchpad on 4.4.2 so this community can do anything)
[LG G Watch R] firehawk:
Since it's likely LG HQ used an Urbane-like ROM with working Wifi as a starting point for the GWR ROM, there are two possibilities:

a) They really don't want GWR users to get Wifi, and couldn't care less about the community backlash since there are so few people. They will set up several roadblocks to stop people from getting it working for the purposes of selling more Urbanes or whatever. This seems unlikely though, since it's not a very important feature or a huge selling point of the Urbane.

b) They have some legal hurdles and couldn't get Wifi certification (or never bothered spending the time/effort). If this is the case, they would want to spend as little effort as possible to disable the Wifi, since they already didn't want to spend additional money on a legacy product. This is good news for us, because it should take very little effort to re-enable it.

I'm really betting on corporate laziness (i.e. scenario (b)). The money they spend on certifying Wifi costs more than a couple days of developer time disabling Wifi on the ROM, and wouldn't be worth the effort just to appease a small percentage of a group that isn't even bringing in much profit to the company.
[LG G Watch R] SvenGWK:
There is an OTA update for the Urbane: http://xdaforums.com/watch-urbane/general/lg-urbane-update-wear-5-1-1-t3112350

I hope somebody is able to pull the "missing parts" out of this rom...
[LG G Watch R] chrs2021:
We'd have better luck with kernel sources - but the device hasn't been out for 90 days. I don't know if its possible to decompile device trees out of a compiled kernel.
[LG G Watch R] gusano38:
Did you notice the file name? apq8026-lenok... why apq8026? lenok (GWR) has a msm8226. Maybe LG just recycled the dory (G Watch) kernel and adapted just the minimum to make it work in the GWR.

That would explain why they are not supporting the wifi in this round, but they might in the future.

For instance if you find a sprat (Gear Live) tree the files are correctly named as msm8226-sprat...

I guess this is something that only a kernel developer like [MENTION=2425314]intersectRaven[/MENTION] could handle.

The good thing is that the userland part of the wifi chain seems to be already there. We just need the holy "wlan0" device ;).
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
weren't the first root's for the g watch r done by just using the G Watches Kernel/system img or something like that? I remember havin "dory" in the shell on my g watch r :)

It could very well be that they just used the same Kernel, which is of course missing the drivers. I'll attempt to get the OTA Link for the Urbane by spoofing my G Watch R for an Urbane. It worked when I tried it with the ZenWatch OTA :P
[LG G Watch R] Dangerously:
Was the WiFi access through the firmware? If it is accessible through the firmware, then we just need the driver and kernel to be updated. It is quite common for features to be disabled in the firmware if the feature was not intended for the product. In some cases, this is done to prevent the ability to upgrade for free and not buy the next product that has the feature enabled (i.e. Urbane). Seeing that at the time of the GWR being released, Google did not have WiFi enabled even if it was in their SDK. Disabling WiFi could have been intentional to save battery. Anyone know how long the Urbane lasts on WiFi vs the GWR on Bluetooth?

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The manufacturer is not 100% to blame for misleading the customer. The management and marketing teams for LG are to blame.

When I worked for HP, AMD had the first 64bit CPUs out for notebook PCs. The first units that shipped with these chips, had the 64bit extensions disabled in the BIOS. The engineers did not want marketing to advertise the units as 64bit. What happened? Marketing grabbed all the specs, and without the engineer's consent, all advertising, including on the box, had 64bit compatible stamped all over. The engineers were not happy and neither was my support team as installs of Linux (XP 64 was not out yet) only saw the CPU as 32bit.

If you talk to the LG engineers and not support or someone at a show booth representing LG, you will almost always get the correct response. Support will always give the excuses or canned responses.
[LG G Watch R] hutchinsane_:
What do you mean, through the firmware? I did it in an ADB shell. But as someone else noted, the Wifi chip seems to be disabled in the Kernel :) Atleast that's what he found browsing the device tree
[LG G Watch R] socalphil:
Did anyone see this on the Urbane FCC filing. Of special note is the antenna change.

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Urbane filing W110 says the same thing.

Federal Communications Commission

Equipment Approval Services

7435 Oakland Mills Road

Columbia, MD 21046

SUBJECT:

LG Electronics MobileComm U.S.A

FCC ID: ZNF

W110

Class II Permissive Change

Original Grant date: 0

8

/

26

/201

4

To Whom It May Concern:

Transmitted herewith, on behalf of LG Electronics MobileComm U.S.A. is an application for a Class

II Permissive Change Certification.

The device is identical to the previously certified S/W and H/W except for the proposed

modifica

tion changes mentioned below.

-

Some HW changes (Antenna/PCB adjustments)

-

Some SW change (fixed simple bugs and UI)

For more information, please refer to the Class II Change Description documents.

Should you have any questions or comments concerning th

e above, please contact the

undersigned.

Sincerely

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I screwed up and compared g watch to R. Not Urbane. Disregard the post.

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FCC lists internal antenna as metal antenna on G Watch R with gain -1.9 dBi

Urbane antenna is stated as using metal face front as antenna with gain -2.8 dBi.
[LG G Watch R] kashortiexda:
apparently GWR WILL get Wifi

apparently GWR WILL get Wifi...... in Q3

http://www.android-user.de/android-...-wird-ebenfalls-wifi-funktionalitaet-bekommen
[LG G Watch R] chrs2021:
if that article proves true - they probably did this as a differentiate between the urbane and the R to sell the newer product.
[LG G Watch R] theblaqman:
I've worked in support long enough to know the last person to be told crucial information is support. Can't tell you how many times I show up to work and some new software or some new device came out and I find out when it doesn't work and people start calling in. Then part of your job in support is to ask the people higher up and they ask people higher up and eventually the person who had the info ahead of time but didn't want to say anything confirms it. Hence the "research a little more". The support person had no clue. My favorite was when I worked for a company that used a lot of third party vendors. The third party would break their software. Our phones would blow up with people calling in asking what happened. I'd call the vendor like I was a user and they'd be like "yeah, we are doing an update. It will be fixed soon". So the next few hours would be taking calls, telling people it will be fixed soon. Then the calls would die...fixed
[LG G Watch R] baddevil2:
Nice to hear, I hope it really will get wifi support.
[LG G Watch R] socalphil:
The G Watch R has the same bezel antenna as the Urbane. It was FCC certified as an intentional radiator in WiFi band. They would not spend $$$$ certifying a non-working part of the device. The only difference is antenna gain is optimized on Urbane maybe matching change between antenna and BCOM IC. Urbane is -2.8 dBi and R is -1.9 dBi. If it was tested just as a radiator to see if it causes interference in other bands it wouyld be a spurious test not a full WiFi characterization.
[LG G Watch R] _Beni_:
We will get it!!

In 1-3monts.

Source: http://androidworld.nl/wearables/lg-g-watch-r-krijgt-wifi-nieuwe-losse-update/
[LG G Watch R] Harkunwar:
Anyone wanna try this, OTA Update for Urbane ?

http://android.googleapis.com/packa...7.signed-bass-LDZ22D-from-LJZ13E.160379f6.zip