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[Nexus 6  General] lostdata:
You can always get one on swappa for under $500, I just picked a new one unopened for $499. Only because I lost my OnePlus One and wanted to give Fi a shot.

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I know everyone is hating on the price of data, but if you normally have low data, and use occasionally more for vacations or when going over seas there could be a good value.

I would like to see Google do something like T Mobiles #MusicFreedom, my only concern would be that they would limit it to Google only services, maybe throw in apps like Gmail, Photos, Plus etc.
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
There is no business incentive for tmobile or sprint to offer a zero rate plan for google related services. They are much happier at collecting a $10/1gb rate.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
They have some failures, the successes out number the failures though.

What? How do you figure? If that is the case why is the project Fi app in stock 5.1? Why did they update hangouts for project Fi already?

You do realize project Fi is T-Mobile and Sprint? It's also a MNVO not a business plan reseller. HM requires you to be a business, you can't join legally without being one. $100 get 2 lines with 2.5 GB high Speed data, not unlimited high speed data.
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
Native Wifi calling thought he dialer and not though google handouts.

If the mvno structure worked, I suspect we'd already be seeing 'test drive' articles about people posting about the network, and they would be handing out invites already.

Yes, I didn't speak much about sprint, but tmobile network is going to outpace sprint by EOY, and I don't see them as a larger of a player compared to tmobile. Sprint has a worse data network, but they do have better spectrum for voice. They can change after the 600mhz spectrum auctions.

The 2.5gb 'unlimited' data deal is 4 lines for 100, or you can get umlimited everything for 100 on 2 lines.
[Nexus 6  General] Philip:
Seems to only be targeted at people in America, so sadly of no use to most of the world.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Your correct about the price for T-Mobile sorry.

You won't see people talking about it until they send out invites, it hasn't even been a week since they announced it. I think they may send out invites next Wednesday (week from announcement, same day the release stock of N6 when out of stock).

I have had T-Mobile and Sprint since January (different times). Sprint beat the pants off T-Mobile here in coverage, T-Mobile won by a landslide in speed. I see the two as complementary, good coverage with Sprint (not Verizon good, but still 95% including in building) and great speed with T-Mobile (but only about 85% coverage including in building). I think T-Mobile and sprint will tie for 3rd place (is they will be close, and keep swapping back and forth 3rd to 4th).
[Nexus 6  General] alphahere:
True but this is an experimental program best to keep it small and focused. If it works out I sure it will be expanded.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
They will NEVER do that. AGAIN, the WHOLE point of Fi is to NOT USE CELLULAR SERVICES EXCEPT WHEN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY BECAUSE NO WIFI IS AVAILABLE.

Geez, peeps what is so hard to understand?!?!!?!?!?!?
[Nexus 6  General] uploder:
^I TYPE IN CAPS BECUASE IM ANGRY!!!!! Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Angry...crazy. Your call.
[Nexus 6  General] kafepuya:
Lol, I'm all in on this person being extremely high maintenance in real life. Probably a horrible tipper...
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Nope, but when you don't type in caps and clueless people can't grasp a concept, and then you do type in caps a surprisingly large number of them stop repeating their clueless comments.

Now is it because they finally get the concept b/c of the caps? Maybe some of them do, but likely most remain clueless no matter how many times you explain to them a concept that they just don't have the mental power to grasp.
[Nexus 6  General] hotleadsingerguy:
I kept a grandfathered AT&T plan for years because of my perceived need for it, and then after switching to Verizon 4 years ago made sure to get into an unlimited plan as well (found a way). I switched back to AT&T about a year ago after finally realizing that I really only use 1-2GB/month on average. Truth is, I've never understood how people blow through 25GB+ a month. Aside from heavy tethering (which, to me, just seems like being too cheap to pay for actual internet if it's done at your house), I don't get how it's possible.

Are you guys not around WiFi at all? Do you just not pay for internet at home? If the latter is true, why not? Home internet is vastly more reliable, usable, and fast than cellular internet.

I signed up for Google Fi. Sprint and T-Mo are hit-or-miss at times, but the ability to use both together should take care of most of the blind spots. If not, I always have my work iPhone 6 on Verizon.
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
Most high data users I've seen don't have a landline for wifi at home. I might even try this, but I am a super heavy data user over my landline.
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
i dont have wifi or a computer at home. i have wifi at work, but its meh.. it tops off at 2mbps+, and my tmobile data speed is between 20mbps - 35mbps in that area. so, i end up using a lot of data. so in seriousness its not really for me. but, i am considering getting just a sim card, with a gig data, just to have an account :)
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
I use too much data, but it is cool that Google set up it up to interact with both Sprint and T-Mobile. Wasn't Google talking about free community WiFi at some point? If so than a plan like this might be worthwhile
[Nexus 6  General] buschris:
"Home internet is vastly more reliable, usable, and fast than cellular internet."

um....no.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Um, yes it is.

Wire will be more reliable then wireless, period, full stop. It the nature of the medium sport.

You can get gigabit internet some places, and over 100MBs is most. Get a gigabit on wireless.

Now, in some Cases the wireless network reaches better. If you have a tower 2 miles from your house, but broadband stops 1 mile from your house, yea the wireless is probably going to help a bunch. In the vast majority of cases though, wired will be faster, more reliable, and allow for more consumption then wireless.
[Nexus 6  General] kibmikey1:
Deleted.
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
I think most people lose the point project fi is working on. There are millions of access points to the internet all over. Why depend on cellular most of the time? Google has been collecting the data on this for years. There is no reason we have to depend on cellular networks for voice calls when it can be handled through any data connection. The project will use the data Google has been collecting to give you the best data speed seamlessly without the user having to do anything on their end.

If you are using a lot of data from your cell provider it would help them by connecting you with a reliable WiFi whenever available. The project is also suppose to teach this idea to other cell providers.
[Nexus 6  General] Locklear308:
WiFi is useless compared to 4g
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
4G is useless compared to WiFi. See I can make blanket statements with no evidence to.

Burritos are better then pizza.

Horses are useless compared to dogs.

Use more then one sentence. Try some supporting facts or even explain your opinions. Just stating something does not make it true.
[Nexus 6  General] puertorecon:
Wait til they inject Google Fiber into it. 1 GB up and down and that is per second. @#$% the landlines!!!! 100G WiFi is coming!!!
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
Verizon is getting rid of UDP's because of Fi. Guy on Reddit said so. He said he's an exec at Verizon so I guess it's true.
[Nexus 6  General] ronaldheld:
The public WiFis I have used were inferior in speed to my cellular connection.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Well, I've used some that barely worked at all (ones that were serving a few thousand people on one VPN) and I've used ones that get a much better connection then the cell network. It all depends on the internet connection (backhaul) and the number of connections to the router or tower.
[Nexus 6  General] antiochasylum:
Why did you quote me with this answer?

Reminds me of this. https://youtu.be/wKjxFJfcrcA
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
How on earth are those two things even remotely related?
[Nexus 6  General] barondebxl:
$60 here, cricket with 20GB of data. Call me when it beats it.
[Nexus 6  General] DevilMR:
Fortunately for people like me, I am surrounded by WiFi at home, work, school, and coffee shops. My average monthly data usage is under 1 gig, usually for Google map traffic update and Spotify. If you need 60Gb of data a month, you are a different type of consumer and most likely not the intended market. I don't think Project Fi was made for everyone, but I am glad it was made for me.
[Nexus 6  General] barondebxl:
Oh I see. You like the fact that you can pay for what you use.
[Nexus 6  General] Locklear308:
I don't need to explain anything. WiFi is NOT as fast as LTE. end of story
[Nexus 6  General] kolyan:
Fi uses Sprint and T-Mobile networks + WiFi calling that's a win for me......no more dead spots
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
WiFi (802.11ac):

This specification has expected multi-station WLAN throughput of at least 1*gigabit per second*and a single link throughput of at least 500 megabits per second (500*Mbit/s).

And

Advertised speeds:

Type 2.4*GHz Mbps/5*GHz Mbps

AC600 150/433

AC750 300/433

AC1200 300/867

AC1300 400/867

AC1450 450/975

AC1600 300/1300

AC1750 450/1300

AC1900 600/1300

AC2350 600/1733

AC3200 600/2600

Both from Wikipedia

LTE:

The LTE specification provides downlink peak rates of 300*Mbit/s, uplink peak rates of 75*Mbit/s and*QoSprovisions permitting a transfer*latency*of less than 5*ms*in the*radio access network. LTE has the ability to manage fast-moving mobiles and supports multi-cast and broadcast streams. LTE supports scalable carrier*bandwidths, from 1.4*MHz*to 20*MHz and supports both*frequency division duplexing*(FDD) and*time-division duplexing*(TDD).

From Wikipedia

LTE advanced:

Within the range of system development, LTE-Advanced and WiMAX 2, can use up to 8x8 MIMO and 128 QAM in downlink direction. Example performance: 100*MHz aggregated bandwidth, LTE-Advanced provides almost 3.3*Gbit peak download rates per sector of the base station under ideal conditions. Advanced network architectures combined with distributed and collaborative smart antenna technologies provide several years road map of commercial enhancements.

And

At the time of it's launch in 2007, LTE-A didn't have compatibility with any*Smartphone, but only with a small amount of 4G LTE Routers. The first LTE-A capable mobile phone or tablet, wouldn't arrive until late 2013. While no phone is capable of 1 Gbit/s+, there are phones that can reach 300 Mbit/s to 500 Mbit/s under ideal conditions. Requirements are that the device must either have 3GB+ of*RAM, a 32-bitQuad core/Octacore processor, and multiple 4G-LTE antennas or a 64-bit*Dualcore/Quad core*processor with 1GB+ of RAM and at least two 4G-LTE antennas

Both from Wikipedia also.

This is how people learn.

WiFi has a higher speed then LTE, and while LTE advanced may be able to support a higher speed then WiFi, no one has the hardware yet.

So again, your evidence?
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
Lmao stop trolling
[Nexus 6  General] biggiestuff:
Combine this with project loon and we're in business.
[Nexus 6  General] Novakingwai:
$30 for unlimited with Verizon. No thanks.

This does seem like a cheaper option for new customers (or customers with current rate plans). Wonder what speed they get? The garbage prepaid ones?
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
True there are 'millions' of access points available, but you are going to have access to a very small fraction of it. Project Fi isn't some magic key that lets you unlock other people's wifi without a password so you can get on and make a phone call or use the data. This actually segments into my next answer ...

I'm personally waiting for the other foot to drop on all the 'free' 100mb fiber tier plan. People had to pay a down payment to get wired up, and they get free service for a year or something. I am thinking google will be tempted to 'force' those people to either upgrade to the paid tier of 70/month, or open up there wifi network and let people on Project Fi 'roam' onto their access point. If this is the case, it will open up the wifi siginal/roaming considerably.

No, I think the chances are very slim on the government allowing google to float a bunch of balloons in the stratosphere in the US. There are certainly a lot more risk to flying balloons. Like it If the government was open to it, they would already be allowing it but google has to do it in third world countries where they are more willing to accept 'development' monies from a company to allow them to do testing in there country.

The balloons are also bascially repeaters. Good for voice communication but not great for data.
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
I never said private WiFi access points would be included. That obviously is not included unless you have the key. I am talking about free/ open access points. Stop trying to be so negative.

I already get instant access to all the xfinity/cablenet access points whenever in range and most of the time I had not noticed that it connected.
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
invite

Did anyone receive the invite yet? I will be jumping the ship right away currently on ATT

Although I am happy with the service and at most I may save $10 but would love to try google's new venture. T-mobile and Sprint are pretty good in area I live (Although inside the building they are poor but again I have wifi at home and work) so will be interesting :)
[Nexus 6  General] gimbor01:
Fds
[Nexus 6  General] dca1970:
Only thing stopping me is phone insurance I have through att:(
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
I just read up on this more. The invite site isnup and open. Looks like the invites will start rolling out with a week or 2.
[Nexus 6  General] arunsharma7:
I too bought that but then a month later I was able to purchase protection from Motorola directly so dropped att one..
[Nexus 6  General] GrayBoltWolf:
I'm not sure what world you live in. Even at the maximum lab tested speeds of both WiFi still crushes LTE.
[Nexus 6  General] EniGmA1987:
Ya both Sprint and TMobile have unlimited data for between $70-80 a month, so for people who use a lot of data this Project Fi is not a good deal at all. But for those that are on Verizon or ATT and pay a huge amount for 3-4GB of data, this is a really good deal if you can bear the network. But since it uses both Sprint and TMobile at the same time then the network is less of a problem than either of those companies by themselves. I am planning on switching to it since I pay $75 a month for 3GB with ATT. Now I can get the same data for $50.
[Nexus 6  General] ceo4eva:
I'm currently on T-Mobile. We get free Pandora and other streaming apps, and if we go over our data we just get it slowed with no charges for going over.

I'd be willing to switch but those two things are deal breakers.

Unlimited international texting is good
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
Frankly I had better signal with T-Mobile then Verizon. LTE drops to crappy Verizon 3g sometimes edge or no signal. in most large buildings. Tmobils 3g was always fast even indoors.
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
I know I'm a bit late and the discussion appears to be over, but as far as WiFi speeds, while it's technically capable of being faster than 4G, I'd imagine that won't often be true in practice. I don't use public WiFi, but I'd imagine most places don't provide blazing fast internet. Not to mention, I think the more devices connected to an access point, the more bogged down the WiFi is, right?

Heck, my workplace has free WiFi, but it's frustratingly slow. Feels akin to being on a dial up connection from back in the day.

So what I wonder is if Fi will recognize what's going to offer the best speed, or if it's going to try to force WiFi when it can, regardless of which is faster for the user to actually use.
[Nexus 6  General] jokersax11:
Squaretrade
[Nexus 6  General] buschris:
finally someone sees the light!

wifi sucks, home internet also sucks. Verizon grandfathered unlimited plan? Best thing since the wheel
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
It is supposed to use the fastest/most stable connection. I imagine WiFi will have to reach certain sustained speeds or it wouldn't work for VoIP.
[Nexus 6  General] EniGmA1987:
lol. The fastest LTE I have ever had was on Verizon, standing under a 4G tower. I got 65mb/s. At home on my Wifi I get 98mb/s since I have 100mb internet speed. But as mrw1215 said, if we are talking public wifi hotspots around the area then yes personal LTE on your phone probably is faster than the few mb/s you get limited at on public wifi.
[Nexus 6  General] GeneticJim:
Is anyone getting any invites yet? Or is launch a few week out still?
[Nexus 6  General] cam30era:
Oh my God! A post about Fi, and not the virtues of LTE vs WiFi! Imagine that.

Good question.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
You can be sure there will be many posts about it if they had
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
Google WiFi at Starbucks is crazy fast for a public wifi. Sadly I found very few that offer Google WiFi. Usually they have At&t and it sucks really bad. But free is free
[Nexus 6  General] 8Fishes:
Fi will work exactly like your current carrier's service. If you have wifi enabled, it will hop on the wifi network and will take priority over wifi. If you disable wifi it will hop onto cell data if you have that enabled, and if you don't you just don't get data.

Tmobile can be fast if you're in an uncongested area. everything is YMMV though. Without LAA and more prominent CA, the spectrum will generally limit everyone's speed. our devices are limited to 150mb/s. The fastest cellular data speed test I've seen is just over 100mb/s. I think 102?
[Nexus 6  General] GrayBoltWolf:
Are we still arguing WiFi vs LTE speeds?

WiFi wins. Just because your internet at home is crap doesn't mean WiFi is slow.
[Nexus 6  General] sithdroid2187:
I think that is the problem. People equating wifi with Internet connections. Wifi itself is faster than 4G, but if it's attached to dial-up Internet it is going to seem slow.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
I flashed my g4, using shell tool, to core 2.0n. After the hard reset it just sits at the boot screen listing ipl 2.25, spl 2.25, gsm 02.25.11, os 10.2.0.8.

When booting it to the boot loader I try to flash with the htc 8125 rom, but this fails with error 274 or 260.

Any help would be appreciated.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mdhensley5:
Some G4's can't be flashed with the ROM on the HTC site, but can be flashed with the Wizard Love ROM. I'd try that. It's saved me several times.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Or try a hard reset before flashing another rom. See if it fixes the problem
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Madcap180:
If your phone makes it to the boot screen it isn't bricked.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
It isn't bricked. It shouldn't be. If he flashed the Core 2.0n it's impossible that a OS only ROM would brick it because it doesn't touch the bootloader or the extended rom. Plus, from what i understand the ShellTool flashes OS only and that means even if the ROM he was trying to flash contained an IPL/SPL , then only OS would be flashed.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Madcap180:
The fact that it even gets to the bootloader screen is proof enough it isnt bricked.... reinstall the carrier update and try something else. :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Madcap180:
Oh Sorry, he tried to reinstall the carrier ROM .. disregard.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
I tried the love rom, but it errors out with error 300, invalid argument ( I think it looks like italian) =/

I've rebooted my pc, did a couple hard resets on the phone and verified the phone is being detected. The USB sync driver is loading. Seems every flash utility cant see the phone even when in the boot loader.

BTW it fails at the point where it tries to verifiy the information on my phone. if that helps.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mfrazzz:
Is your PC XP or Vista? If its Vista, it can't talk to a phone in bootloader mode. If you are XP then you should be fine but then I'm not sure why you can't flash the Wizard Love rom...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
I'm using xp.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mdhensley5:
When you put it into boot loader mode, is USB in the lower left corner?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Have you tryed a hard reset ?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
yes twice the second time when it rebooted I forced it to boot the boot loader before it tried to boot the OS.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
And you have tryed taking out your SD card, and flashing the Wizard Love rom directly from the RUU (not with ShellTool) ?

You have enough battery ?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
I have been using the flash utility, I don't know how to use shell tool without the scripts, and I can't install any of the cabs since it wont boot into the OS. I just tried on another xp machine and both the cingular rom utility and the love rom failed to communicate with the phone.

any other ideas?

edit: oh and I should have near if not 100% battery ( been plugged into a pc since the problem started and it was 100% when I started this mess. =) SD card has always been removed.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nstefanelli:
FYI, even though it has been plugged into the computer, it may not have enough battery. From my experiences, it drains the battery even if it is plugged in. Luckily, I have a second wizard so when my first battery drained (and wouldnt recharge even when plugged into the wall) I just popped the second battery in and i could flash it again. See if you can find a charger or something for the battery, and then once it is charged, let me know and I will give you a ROM i have that saved my other wizard (which is a G4 and no it isnt wizard love)

-Nstefanelli-
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
it seems to be charging, the orange light is on and the phone is off.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nstefanelli:
ok in a few i'll PM u a link to the ROM.. i havent used it in a while so i might have to gather it up..

-Nstefanelli-
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Splooshie:
well I tried the rom and it said error 300 this version cannot be used with your phone try a newer version (best I can figure from the italian?)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Are you sure you don't have a G3 ? Hmm, I think you have a G3 and that's why it doesn't work. Try and flash the Tmobile 2.26

If your ipl 2.25, spl 2.25, then you defenively have a G3 CID UNLOCKED

Go back to Button's 1.05 ROM, CID UNLOCK it and then flash the Tmobile 2.26 and then flash Core 2.0n

Don't use ShellTool !
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot] scotchbonnet43:
Hi there,

I'm quite new in the kindle hdx world and wondering, if there are still some activities of developers aiming for unlocking the bootloader of our beloved hdx with version 13.3.2.8 and higher? At least for me, I would love to see the bootloader unlocked, so that we can flash a custom recovery on our devices.

Best regards,

scotch