yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
can we do a clean install or still dirty flash

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] dtr145r:
Where at?

When I click the link in the op it takes me to a page that only has December 25th and 26th there.

Mirror link doesn't work...
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] UnKnOwNHoMeLesSDrUnK:
https://s.basketbuild.com/devs/Zion959/MM/trltespr
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
You can backup and try to clean to see Sim detect. But we have to dirty flash on tmo
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
Still no SIM detected, sorry Zion but keep up the great work! We are REALLY appreciate it as always!
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] G U C C I:
So we need to flash 3.5 and then the newest? Also Zion, is the zerolemon fix included in your kernel?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
Yes, use the 3.5 then dirty flash to latest or just stay on 3.5 until its resolved. I know Zion will fix it just give him a minute to sort it out.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaintZ93:
Does anyone know how to get the Number Row above the letters on the keyboard?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] vivrosh:
Swift key
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaintZ93:
Just a heads up im receiving a issue where a red x pops up on data whenever i try to load pages, videos, youtube. Just like the emotion kernal issue, if any of you know what im talking about lol.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
are u having issue with swift key. I keep get fc on it

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] e92dream:
So Bluetooth with 5.3?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] vivrosh:
I am using nivron rom.. Its working fine with that

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I will try to test on this rom tomorrow sometime
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
I see 5.6 is up

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Mikalhicks7:
Flashing and testing now
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] 70dad2:
It's trltemo but that means we should see trltespr soon though :)
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Mikalhicks7:
That was a close 1 lol
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
Your right sorry zion does not usually put them in our page only by mistake.

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Hey zion I see 5.6 is up on the sprint page but is tmobile rom. Did you have a sprint one or was it just a mistake. Either way thabks

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
I upload it again . sorry mistake

download 5.7 here

http://romwarehouse.com/zion959/CMRemixNightly/trltespr/
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
No luck with SIM card on 5.7.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
Thanks for the update. I did clean flash with no luck on sim. So I clean flashed 3.5 then booted then 5.7 which worked. What my problem is is that when the phone hads of to 3g it says connected. Then has an exlimation next to it. So I have no internet. I can't check apns cause its not in the cell network tab. Any thoughts

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
No Sim issue is affect tmo as well. Don't know what change . Still trying to find out.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] :
You might want to hit up [MENTION=3084704]nivron[/MENTION] he has sim working
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaintZ93:
[MENTION=4712992]ZION959[/MENTION] Im still receiving the Red X issue when ever loading anything on LTE. If you are compiling on the Linux 3.10.91 update this is why its causing that issue, easy way to fix it is to revert back before the update.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
I'm working on the new caf kernel. Will push the update tonight to fixed this issue
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] G U C C I:
Zerolemon fix too? :)
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
Yes
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
Much appreciated that's why I had to go back to cm. Was not geting data

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
Just let us know when it's up and we'll test the crap out of it
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
flash this kernel to fixed Data and SOD issue

http://www.romwarehouse.com/zion959...Remix-trltespr-New-Caf-kernel-signed-v1.3.zip
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
I first flashed 5.7, then GAPPs, then CMRemix-trltespr-New-Caf-kernel-signed-v1.3 but no luck with data or SIM.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] vivrosh:
http://m.androidcentral.com/how-add-dedicated-number-row-google-keyboard

try thisfor number row

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try this for number row

http://m.androidcentral.com/how-add-dedicated-number-row-google-keyboard
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
This will fixed data drop issue. Not fixed sim issue
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
Ah, my bad. Thanks for the clarification!
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ibedanny:
Can anyone confirm android auto and Bluetooth works?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaintZ93:
[MENTION=4712992]ZION959[/MENTION] the kernal fix you gave us for data is causing me not to be able to record videos on snapchat and instagram. I have tried multiple flashes on three cmremix versions and each test with the kernal fix causes the issue.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lbcoach3347:
This fixes Bluetooth. I have tested and it works

Here is the post give credit where it is due

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=64915771

I made it easier, here is a flashable zip with what I suggested.

http://upload.teamuscellular.com/9jk

This won't hurt the Sprint phone, the blobs I am changing are BT related. Worse case scenario is you won't have working Bluetooth. Which is the case already. Just make a Nandroid flash the zip and test it. If it doesn't work go return to your back up.

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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
It should work. We all share same driver.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] :
????

So to get all working just flash 3.5, set up and reboot, then flash latest build?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
V6.4 is up. Please dirty flash
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] :
So do i flash 3.5, then newest?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mikexmayhem:
I would like to know as well. Been waiting so long for a relatively problem free cmremix. I just wanna use it!
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaintZ93:
Flash 3.5 then newest build, unless your on say 5.7 with working data then just dirty flash over that.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] wmatheney:
Where do I find 3.5 and 6.4? The url in the OP http://www.romwarehouse.com/zion959/CMRemixNightly/trltespr/ doesn't show either version. The mirror site doesn't work. It's there another link?

Thanks
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] jlove85:
Search.. its posted in here. sorry. but hey is what it is.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] 70dad2:
Thanks for the update Zion. I dirty flashed over 5.7 had the no SIM card issue again. So I flashed a stock rom, updated the PRL and the profile, then flashed 3.5, had a very good data and phone connection then dirty flashed your newest update and still have the SIM card issue. Thanks again bud, really appreciate your hard work.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] JarffVC:
Here you go.

https://s.basketbuild.com/devs/Zion959/MM/trltespr
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] wmatheney:
Thanks! I appreciate your help.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaiyanPr0digY:
Dirty flashed to 6.4 and am noe having the no sim issue
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] resarfekim:
Wondering if that's supposed to be "and am now" or "and am not"... :)
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] SaiyanPr0digY:
The world may never know, lol. I meant "now" haha sorry.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] long_tall_texan:
Posted this in the stock CM13 thread too, but I tried the same thing twice on this ROM with same results. So hoping one of you has a great answer for me...

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Installed the 1/21 clean install. Wipe all 3x, install went great. Apps worked fine. SD fine. Titanium good. Bluetooth required the btfix.zip to work, but then smooth as butter. And then... Because my work email requires device encryption through Google policy, I encrypted my phone. And that is where it fell apart. Any ideas on getting encryption to play nice? First time, it froze on boot. Second time the same. Third time, got it to boot, and then got numerous Android system errors and device was unusable. So three times, all clean installs. All is great until I encrypt the device. Tried this CM13 three times, and CM13 remix twice. All do the same thing. Any ideas would be appreciated.

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BTW, encrypted device works just fine on stock OK1 rooted ROM, but who wants to stay on a stockist TW ROM?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] e92dream:
My work email required encryption also but the app MailWise let's you bypass that.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] pbedard:
I cant get data im back
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] sliverr7x:
Did u flash 3.5 then dirty flash 6.4 on top of that
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] logikzzz:
nevermind - great ROM! Using for a bit now - working on getting bluetooth up.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] pbedard:
Yes even tried going back to stock n update prl also used the kernal and 5.7
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] 70dad2:
Same here. Works fine going from 3.5 to 5.7. But not from 5.7 to 6.4 or 3.5 to 6.4.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] thearch1tect:
I'm looking to try this ROM out .. Coming from tw. From what I gather I should flash v3.5 then v6.4 .. Do I need to flash the Bluetooth fix and other kernel posted a few pages back?

Any recommendations on gapps? I checked out the slimroms page but I didn't see any 6.0 gapps
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GavinMazey:
Open gapps should work, my personal preference is Dirty Unicorns Team Blackout gapps which I haven't had any trouble with but you have to want blacked out apps.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] thearch1tect:
Is this one you use? http://download.dirtyunicorns.com/files/gapps/du_tbo_gapps/ .. I definitely prefer blacked out apps
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GavinMazey:
Yes the non amd64 use those with Nicolas' blacked out theme for a amazing combo.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] schlepprock:
I couldn't get open gapps to flash last night. I flashed slim gapps but didn't find an option to add my google account. Now mind you I'm coming from tw as well so im not versed in cm roms. So i cancelled and went back to tw.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GavinMazey:
I personally tested the mini open gapps from 1-17 and they worked. So a newer package could have issues idk. Did you go into settings then accounts and try to add your google account from there?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] thearch1tect:
Do you mind linking me to the Nicolas theme you're referring to?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] schlepprock:
Yeah i was only able to add my gmail account, but couldnt figure out how to add my contacts. They weren't added with my gmail account.

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Im on a tw 5.1.1 lollipop rom now, changing to a 6.0 mm,do i need 5.1.1 gapps, or 6.0 mm gapps?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GavinMazey:
Heres the XDA thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3005868

Play store link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chummy.jezebel.blacked.out

He also makes a dark material version that uses dark gray and black. Its a truly amazing theme and hits so many apps even Tapatalk is blacked out.

This actually sounds familiar think the same thing happened to me a week or so ago. Can't remember what I did to fix it though. Or which ROM it was on. Sorry. Maybe try a different gapps set there is also banks dynamic gapps also that I've had good luck with in the past.

Saw you edit... You will want 6.0 gapps
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] schlepprock:
Ok i was trying 5.1.1 gapps that someone linked me. Thanks
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] thearch1tect:
Digging the ROM so far. Very snappy, loading my apps from titanium now so we'll see once I get everything fully setup but I don't doubt that it'll be great. The only issue I had was getting the latest version 6.4 i think it is up and going. I flashed v3.5, loaded it up and went back and dirty flashed 6.4 but got the no sim error and no data. So currently im running 3.5
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
just upload new update . Some one please backup and clean flash to see you have radio on clean flash. Thanks

https://s.basketbuild.com/devs/Zion959/MM/trltespr

Changelog:

https://github.com/CMRemix/CHANGELOGS/blob/cm-13.0/cmremix_012616
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] jmart75:
Does anyone know how to disable the LED when charging? It is extremely bright and almost feels like it's heating up... Thanks! Digging the ROM.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Mikalhicks7:
Gotcha will check it out when I get home from work
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
In new update you can use kernel adiuter to adjust led brightness
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] jmart75:
Awesome, thanks for the speedy reply! Keep up the good work.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ipodhacked86:
Clean flashed got no sim error
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] nicklovell23:
If you haven't try to reboot and if possible get us a radio log with adb logcat -b radio.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ipodhacked86:
Sorry I just clean flashed 3.5 and dirty flashed the newest works great
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Mikalhicks7:
Tried clean flashing 3.5 then dirty flashing latest no go for me
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
Can you just clean flash. I accident delete the previous 6.7
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
Sorry to report no SIM/RADIO on a clean flash without a dirty flash but thanks as always Zion!
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
I'm trying to narrow down the issue. Did you flash v6.7 end #172931? Thanks for testing
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
No problem at all, ever, just tell us when to test and we will! Thank you again for everything you do!

Sorry missed the question, I flashed the last one you put up:

CMRemix-trltespr-MM.6.0.1_r10.Nightly-v6.8-20160127-085805.zip

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Do you want me to test:

CMRemix-trltespr-MM.6.0.1_r10.Nightly-v6.7-20160126-172931.zip
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] johnp1991:
OK so I was able to install cm13 but with few issues. A box keeps popping up saying google play service fails or something like that. Also with this ROM my Snapchat won't work ..and my google contacts are nowhere to be found when I sync there is not contacts sync. Someone help? BTW I like this ROM I wish to stay with it as a daily driver
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
Google Play crashes are 99% of the time caused by wrong GAPPs making google sync crashing. What GAPPs did you use and where did you get it from? Without a working google sync (GAPPs crash) you cannot sync your Goggle contacts, hence the missing contacts, nor can you install apps from the playstore and authenticate the licenses. This all sounds to me as if you used the wrong GAPPs package, this is all coming from Google Sync.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] johnp1991:
I used team blackout gapps as someone here said it works with 6.0. Can you link me to a working gapps for 6.0? Thx for helping
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
I only use opengapps, here is the link, use GAPPs for arm, http://opengapps.org/ choose ARM/6.0 and whatever GAPPs you want, I personally use the Micro as it has everything I need, but you may want full or stock depending.

Make sure you wipe the /system /data /cache /dalvick and do a factory reset at least twice. Make sure you have everything backed up from the main SDCard first though so you dont lose anything you want to save (pics/texts/etc).

Let me know how you make out, I have been using MICRO opengapps MM (6.) ARM for over a month with no issues.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
Yes. Please backup and clean flash the new one see if you have radio. I build with different set of blobs.Thanks
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GavinMazey:
Dirty unicorns blacked out gapps should work. The ones straight from TBO are for lolipop still.

http://download.dirtyunicorns.com/files/gapps/du_tbo_gapps/
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] 303fa5:
6.7 or 6.8? I see 6.8 as the latest one
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Mikalhicks7:
Downloading now. Will clean flash and let you know

Still got the no sim issue working on getting a logcat now. I factory reset twice and formatted data 3x. Installed rom then open gapps mini.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] johnp1991:
Will try these when i get home thx for helping me
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Mikalhicks7:
1. Clean flashed 3.5 and open gapps mini booted and data worked fine. 2. Dirty flashed latest build and the bluetooth fix and everything seems to be working fine.

Getting the home screen flashes when messing with themes. Installed catlog so I'll upload when I get a chance.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] jmart75:
I was able to go from a clean install of 3.5 to 5.7 and then 6.8 (I flashed the BT Fix as well). No problems with SIM/DATA. I love than I can adjust the intensity of the LED!
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] vivrosh:
So do 3.5 and dirty flash newest?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GROOVYJOSHCLARK:
ZION, I wiped 3X's and installed:

CMRemix-trltespr-MM.6.0.1_r10.Nightly-v6.7-20160126-172931.zip

No go with the SIM card. Sorry to report.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] thearch1tect:
Have you tried a clean flash of 6.8?

I haven't yet but hope to this weekend
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] adamw1101:
Question. How does this compare to the cm13 rom as far as stability? I'm having stuttering issues on cm13 and am thinking of jumping ship. Thanks.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] UnKnOwNHoMeLesSDrUnK:
Yo,Zion,huge fan as you're aware. I know you're busy but are you going to bring this amazing rom to the Sprint Note 5? Fingers crossed, I HOPE so
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] sliverr7x:
I flashed 3.5 then dirty flashed 6.8 and everything works great so far thanks again zion
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] fantasylovevn:
can i flash this rom from OG5 bootloader?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] sliverr7x:
Yes
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] johnp1991:
OK so got everything working for me. I'm excited to have this ROM but one problem. The video recorded doesnt work :( and camera app sometimes says can't find camera.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] 70dad2:
The new plasma kernel fixed video recording for me. Clear the app data in the camera first then flash the kernel. Here's the link. Good luck!

http://xdaforums.com/note-4-sprint/orig-development/kernel-plasma-kernel-note4-1-00-t3138069/page21
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] johnp1991:
Thx man it worked. Loving this ROM now
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] vivrosh:
Does anyone know if this rom has this built in: https://github.com/TeamExodus/frameworks_base/commit/9c36be651e83fb039a262682839bd920b033007a
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mitchellandtech:
Can anyone help me with this rom from scratch? Sprint Note 4 on OK1. software, gapps and kernels needed? Thanks in advance.

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Can anyone help me with this rom from scratch? Sprint Note 4 on OK1. software, gapps and kernels needed? Thanks in advance.

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How did you get everything working? Steps taken? Specific gapps? Etc...?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
Will have the fixed for Video Record tonight
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] sliverr7x:
If u read the op and and a few pages back all ur questions will be answered and with links

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On 6.8 and ever time I switch to LTE from 3g the time of the phone is way off then switch back to 3g and correct time comes back.. Anybody else experience this
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mitchellandtech:
I've read it. Still unclear. Do I use 5.1 gapps or 6.0?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] GavinMazey:
You will want 6.0 gapps
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mitchellandtech:
Tried that. Gets stuck on contact storage while trying to boot. Please advise.

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Can I get a link to known working gapps?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] arielovin:
Try Delta Gapps

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Here's the link for delta gapps. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=58047099

:thumbup:
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] thearch1tect:
I had that issue when I flashed 3.5 .. Just pull the battery and start the phone up and it will be fine.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mitchellandtech:
I'll try it.

Thanks bro.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mitchellandtech:
Working great. Minus video recording. Thanks bro.

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SD card issues.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] ZION959:
Sprint user please flash this kernel to fixed Video bugs

https://s.basketbuild.com/devs/Zion959/MM/Kernel/TRLTEspr
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Aloupha:
So, flashing 6.8 did not work for me (SIM issue). I flashed 3.5, dirty flashed 6.8, flashed that kernel to fix the video bug, and everything is running smoothly for me except for my time. The clock is always off... to get it to work, I have to take it off the automated network and manually adjust the timezone.

Other non issue I am having is the display... I can't for the life of me figure out how to get rid of the auto dimming of the screen. There are times that the screen is too dark, and I can't seem to do anything about it. I try playing with different settings, and I still can't get it to work. At this point, I'd like to turn off everything and just use the slider to manually adjust the brightness... even that I am not able to do because it seems there is some other setting that overrides whatever I do.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] sliverr7x:
Tested and both camera apps now record video thanks again Zion....