yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 8 General] hurrycaner:
I'm getting exactly same error... i've tried all ways possible, mine is a lumia 520 RM-915... I've tried using W10 and W7...

I ALWAYS get the "SAFE hex file was used and unallowed memory address was being written." message and the error 85034...

After executing the thor2 -mode emergency thing, sometimes when i connect instead of showing the QHUSB (Nokia Emergency) i get nothing and the phone vibrates, and that's it, I've never got a red screen... Some ppl says to charge the battery before, but how?

I left it on the charger (USB) all day... nothing changes tried plug charger too, but no signal of life or charging... any suggestions?

Okay, i fixed it... i've deleted everything and restarted... first i installed WPRT, then i installed Lumia SRT... then i've copied the RM-XXX to packages folder, then WPRT found my cellphone, i was able to recover him using WPRT instead of thor2 :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] NENOPA:
HAVE GOOD IDEA!?

Lumia 925.1 / RM-892 / product code 059t196 /

FFU / RM892_3051.50009.1424.0001_RETAIL_apac_laos_thailand_219_01_442541_prd_signed.ffu / (have all data)

RKH / CD84376222AAF204C85119532BF34EA55C8844E4CEA35F3E508D25AA34D96637 /

And Whit "WPRT -THOR" ghet two ".bin" file (size 17kb)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NEEED

corect .hex file -> to ghet red screen

(have : unknown error code.THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 85045 (0x14C35),or THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 85021 (0x14C1D))
[Windows Phone 8 General] yasirhqureshi:
I have a L925 (RM-910, Code 059S9S8), it stuck while upgrading to win 10 TP. I used WPRT to revert to win 8.1. Initially, WPRT detected the device and tried emergency driver or something which failed and since then my phone is not detected by WPRT, no response if the power and vol- buttons are held, but windows key flashes randomly.

I tried the un-bricking method mentioned in the original post, at the point where they suggest to uninstall the QHSUSB driver, i uninstalled it and continued the procedure until FLASHING THE BOOTLOADER step. It gave me the subject error and code, i retried several times and found two reasons suggested by people for the said error:

1. Incorrect drivers

2. Incorrect files (.hex)

When i retried the step of uninstalling the QHSUSB drivers, i found out that my system doesn't have these installed nor is my phone detected as QHSUSB device.

I have been trying to find if any solution for the above mentioned error has been stated anywhere but i couldn't find one. I have been trying to flash the bootloader (i am an accountant by profession and i don't even know the ABC of programming and this stuff but i learned quite much when WPRT bricked my L925), the subject error appears every time. I have made my .bin file, my own .hex file, .mbn file all for my model but i am still unable to figure out the real issue.

In the original post of un-bricking L925 without JTAG, it was mentioned that the subject error means that wrong drivers are installed. I am using windows 10 on my laptop, and the drivers available for win 7 & 8 are older than the ones on win 10 and when i try to install the drivers downloaded from the link provided in the original post, i got a prompt from win 10 that NEWER VERSION ALREADY INSTALLED.

I kept searching the forums and found someone mentioned that the subject error also appears due to incorrect .hex files and the also mentioned a way to correct the download-available .hex for my model, so i corrected the downloaded ones and even double checked it with my .bin files and i am now sure that i am using the correct files.

So,

1. My drivers are updated versions of those suggested in the post.

2. My .hex file matches with my .bin file (.bin was created using cmd prmpt and from my model)

I cannot find anyother solution or reason for the error which appears.

Any help or guidance from you guys will be really appreciated.

P.S. After failure on windows 10, I have also tried the whole procedure on win 8.1 and the results were no different.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tyler200298:
any chance to use this process for Samsung ativ s i8750?
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
i have this errors:

[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : THOR2 1.8.2.18
[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : Built for Windows @ 13:36:46 Jun 16 2015
[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : Thor2 is running on Windows of version 6.2
[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : thor2 -mode emergency -hexfile HEX.hex -mbnfile msimage.mbn -orig_gpt
[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : Process started Tue Sep 22 17:14:38 2015
[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : Debugging enabled for emergency

[17:14:38.544] D_MSG : Initiating emergency download
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Using default emergency protocol
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH START
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Emergency Programmer V1 version 2014.10.31.001
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Hex download selected
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Check if device in Dload
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Connection to DLOAD mode succeeded
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Get Dload parameters
[17:14:39.581] D_MSG : Sending HEX flasher to the device
[17:14:39.656] D_MSG : Sending GO command if HEX flasher successfully uploaded.
[17:14:40.657] D_ERR : Message send failed with error code -1
[17:14:40.657] D_MSG : ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH END
[17:14:45.683] D_MSG : Emergency messaging closed successfully
[17:14:45.683] D_MSG : Operation took about 7.00 seconds.
[17:14:45.683] D_ERR : THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 85021 (0x14C1D)

I am trying in this way to create a hex and mbn of huawei w1.

Failes:
[Windows Phone 8 General] WojtasXda:
Hello !!

Guys i need help.

I have Full_eMMC_Dump.bin/vhd from my phone and i want create hex and gpt files from this dump. It is possible ?

Maybe somebody know how to create these files?

I search also MPRG8230.hex
[Windows Phone 8 General] Code_PLeX:
hi

i have a problem with my lumia 920 i get THOR2_ERROR_UEFI_RDC_OR_AUTHENTICATION_REQUIRED

can some one help me ?

im stuck with black screen all the time even though the system is working i can hear when im clicking the screen locking the screen... its like everything is fine but the screen

iv tried to enter emergency mod again and flash from the beginning and i tried using WPRT
[Windows Phone 8 General] fitronarwani:
Long story short...

My Lumia 520 is in progress updating the leaked WP8.1 (yupp its been 1.5 years ago), unluckily the battery went empty without my notice, so it safe to say it stuck between Lumia WP8 and 8.1

i found this method and tried it on my Windows 7 & 10 laptops, but all fail

My PC detected the 520 as Unknown USB Device (Device Descriptor Request Failed) and not as QHSUSB_DLOAD

When i press vol down + power on WDRT, it do nothing, when connected to PC it sounds ping, but nothing happen too

I already tried uninstall and reinstalling the USB driver but the PC keep telling me that PC doesn't recognize it

Try to replacing the driver with X2 Emergency Driver, it said a newer version is already installed.

Here's the result:

Initiating emergency download

Operation took about 20.00 seconds.

THOR2_ERROR_CONNECTION_NOT_FOUND

THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 84000 (0x14820)

So, it might be dead lock to me, but if someone could solve how my PC can detect my 520 as QHSUSB_DLOAD, that would be great

Many thanks
[Windows Phone 8 General] chauchauvn:
I have a problem.

could you please help me.

my RKH string is 98BECD6BD8BA16F28867306AE571DC79E50714EB1F856F30A96B6D18436FFAB2

and I find the hex file is "98BECD6BD8BA16F28867306AE571DC79E50714EB.hex"

is this corrected ?

the error happen when i run this command
[Windows Phone 8 General] Turkishflavor:
what? no. I have a DLOAD issues here and the WPRT doesnt do ****. Doesnt even recognize my device. lol
[Windows Phone 8 General] cyadron:
I always get this error.

I have also tried several types of HEX files, for some I get this error, for others I get another error.

I have tried to repeat the process up to 5 times in a row but I was not able to get to the red screen, the phone is still in QHSUSB_DLOAD mode after re-connection of the USB cable.
[Windows Phone 8 General] micallan_17:
can any one help? see below log: Device is AT&T NOKIA Lumia 520 RM-915 059TI05, I Have download the firmware files but seems the hex files are not the right ones, i have attached GPT1.bin, msimage.mbn and GPT.bin

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Care Suite\Windows Phone Recovery Tool>thor2 -mode em
ergency -hexfile RM-915.hex -mbnfile msimage.mbn -orig_gpt
THOR2 1.8.2.18
Built for Windows @ 13:36:46 Jun 16 2015
Thor2 is running on Windows of version 6.1
thor2 -mode emergency -hexfile RM-915.hex -mbnfile msimage.mbn -orig_gpt
Process started Sun Nov 08 15:17:28 2015
Logging to file C:\Users\romero\AppData\Local\Temp\thor2_win_20151108151728_Thre
adId-3888.log
Debugging enabled for emergency

Initiating emergency download
Using default emergency protocol
ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH START
Emergency Programmer V1 version 2014.10.31.001
Hex download selected
Check if device in Dload
Connection to DLOAD mode succeeded
Get Dload parameters
Sending HEX flasher to the device
Sending HEX flasher to the device failed. Try to re-send.
Re-sending HEX flasher to the device
Message send failed with error code 8
Cannot upload HEX flasher into the device
Sending GO command if HEX flasher successfully uploaded.
ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH END
Emergency messaging closed successfully
Operation took about 8.00 seconds.

THOR2_EMERGENCYFLASHV1_ERROR_MSG_SEND_RECEIVE_FAILED

THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 85021 (0x14C1D)
[Windows Phone 8 General] micallan_17:
the WDRT is able to detect as you can see on the images but still fails. the attached zip is the files the WDRT downloads if anyone can take a look
[Windows Phone 8 General] hooddy:
Guys help me to obtain hex for my Lumia 810 RM-878

72A4975C8AACF87FF1AB5F7D6F7B7A9BE90B995EC177E9CC1FED76CE5C7BA822

Please. I can't find it nowhere.
[Windows Phone 8 General] hooddy:
I don't undastood wich bin file I need to convert to hex. File like F771E62AF89994064F77CD3BC16829503BDF9A3D.bin isn't presented in dumped folder.

Update: Ok IC there is NO file for my RM-878
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumiaerror:
Hello, can anyone put here working .hex or .bin file for lumia 625 RM-941 ? Every files what I try to use are wrong, I can't find good and working .hex and fix my lumia...
[Windows Phone 8 General] bananajoe78:
Hi,

I'm in trouble with a Lumia 950. Already after unpacking the phone shows nothing else the Microsoft logo. Then virbating and restart.

With thor2 I found out, that the FFU seems to be corrupted. Please don't ask me why.

Thor2 is showing THOR2_ERROR_FFUREAD_CORRUPTED_FFU

Any chance to unbrick?

BR
[Windows Phone 8 General] Rivo17:
I suggest you don't tamper with the phone and rather send it back to be repaired instead.
[Windows Phone 8 General] bananajoe78:
Yes, I think that will be the best.
[Windows Phone 8 General] amitwp:
My Lumia 820 is showing "Unable to find bootable option, Press any key to shut down.

Can the above method be used to solve the problem?
[Windows Phone 8 General] MrCego:
So sorry, It's relates by hardware failure.
[Windows Phone 8 General] djamol:
Emergency Signed Packages Through Windows Device Recovery Tool.
[Windows Phone 8 General] MrCego:
Are these partition dumps? If so, are they clear from dirty hexs?
[Windows Phone 8 General] elsoft74:
Hi, i'm in almost the same situation.

PC with windows 10, the driver is updated (maybe too much, because the pc didn't recognize as a Nokia emergency...) thor2 try to send data but...

Error!

Any ideas???
[Windows Phone 8 General] Marvin_ru:
THOR2_ERROR_FFUREAD_CORRUPTED_FFU error

Hi, I'm trying to extract gtp0.bin from ffu image

After executing

thor2 -mode ffureader -ffufile "c:\Lumia_720\firmware\RM-885\RM-
885RM885_3058.50000.1425.0005_RETAIL_eu_russia_200_05_450676_prd_signed.ffu" -dump_gpt -filedir C:\Temp

I get THOR2_ERROR_FFUREAD_CORRUPTED_FFU error :

THOR2 1.8.2.18
Built for Windows @ 13:36:46 Jun 16 2015
Thor2 is running on Windows of version 6.2
thor2 -mode ffureader -ffufile c:\Lumia_720\firmware\RM-885\RM-885RM885_3058.50000.1425.0005_RETAIL_eu_russia_200_05_450676_prd_signed.ff
u -dump_gpt -filedir C:\Temp
Process started Mon Dec 07 11:29:41 2015
Logging to file C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\thor2_win_20151207112941_ThreadId-5328.log
Debugging enabled for ffureader

Initiating do FFUReader operations
Version of FfuReader is 2015061501
Parsing FFU... Please wait...

Failed to parse FFU file. Header size: 0x00000000, Payload size: 0x0000000000000000, Chunk size: 0x00000000, Header offset: 0x00000000, Payload offset: 0x000000
0000000000
File open failed

THOR2_ERROR_FFUREAD_CORRUPTED_FFU

THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 84204 (0x148EC)

But ffu file is 100% not corrupted! I flash my Lumia 720 using it without problem.

Can anyone help me understand what's going on ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] djamol:
[MENTION=4345561]elsoft74[/MENTION]

Is that correct "msimage.mbm". I see that is mbm instead of MBN.

Try my way.

Install new version of "Windows Device Recovery Tool"

Connect your device to PC.

Go to >Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers

You will see your device detected.

Update appropriate drivers first.

Then RUN Recovery Tool. It will automatically download emergency files.

Will automatically boot into Normal Mode.

If not grab the Emergency Package where you set Path for Custom Packages in Recovery Tool. You will see there HEX file and official signed mbn image.

Good Luck.
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/8Sez/CYTCsoe15 lumia 720 emergency bootloader
[Windows Phone 8 General] Marvin_ru:
thanks, i already got it

but i want to understand how to extract it by myself - using thor2.... what i did wrong calling thor2 on ffu ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] _wook_:
Failed to parse FFU file. Header size: 0x00000000, Payload size: 0x0000000000000000, Chunk size: 0x00000000, Header offset: 0x00000000, Payload offset: 0x000000
0000000000
File open failed

Seems to me like thor2 wasn't able to read file at all. Maybe you should try running cmd.exe with admin privileges and it should do work then. Maybe you should also not use C:\Temp, because sometimes user don't have permission to access there.

Are you sure it's good path?

Instead of typing the path in, use drag-drop to command prompt.
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
Help me please with bootloader for htc 8x and huawei w2.

thank you.
[Windows Phone 8 General] elsoft74:
The file is .mbm instead if .mbn because my mistake when i renamed the bin file, i can't try with the Windows Phone Recovery because the Lumia925 isn't supported :(
[Windows Phone 8 General] MrCego:
Uh? WDRT support your device. Who said it doesn't?
[Windows Phone 8 General] gabiz_ro:
Lumia 630 RM-976

Get one Lumia 630 RM-976 with only Nokia logo then spinning gears and power off or restart on cable.

WPRT detect it as Lumia 630,download files and then error

the software is not correctly signed or not signed for this device

Next try was emergency download mode (short J9214 and J9215)

Phone detected as QHSUSB

WPRT download files and try to revive phone.

Files was:

MPRG8x26_fh.ede
RM976_fh.edp
emergency_flash_config.xml

In logs I see that command was

thor2.exe -mode emergency -conn 0.1D07:0007:0004 -hexfile C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Packages\Products\RM-976\MPRG8x26_fh.ede -edfile C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Packages\Products\RM-976\RM976_fh.edp -skipffuflash -disable_stdout_buffering

and Exited with success

But after still no sign of life from phone.

Lucky me after few searches found this

http://xdaforums.com/windows-phone-...630-rm-976-t3272810/post64365011#post64365011

Download ede,edp and xml file,put them in some folder then use same command with new path to these files.

example:

thor2.exe -mode emergency -conn 0.1D07:0007:0003 -hexfile c:\lumia\x\MPRG8x26_fh_437638.ede -edfile c:\lumia\x\RM976_fh_569087.edp -skipffuflash -disable_stdout_buffering

This time shortly after command exited with success,phone start in download mode (appear as bootmgr in device manager,was only board without LCD due to shorting testpoints so don't know if anything was on LCD)

Start WPRT write firmware (same one downloaded earlier that drop error is not correctly signed) but now works fine.

In the end phone alive.

Conclusion?

Files downloaded by WPRT for recovery from QHSUSB or emergency mode download wasn't OK
[Windows Phone 8 General] djamol:
[MENTION=252305]gabiz_ro[/MENTION] hey do you know shorting point's for Lumia 520 RM-914 ?

I can't boot my device into Emergency Download Mode.
[Windows Phone 8 General] gabiz_ro:
Sorry I don't know.

Is not present in schematic.
[Windows Phone 8 General] aziz.yankee:
QHSUSB - Lumia 1020

Hey, how can I force my Lumia 1020 to go to emergency mode? Where can I find info on shorting circuits?

As my phone appears as NOKIA BOOTMGR something something. And even I force my phone to go to Red Screen, THOR2 cannot write firmware onto it.

Congrats with success, mate!
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
Lumia bootloaders

test it https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9eEt/7xP3SNhg5 usb mode for 9008?

[MENTION=252305]gabiz_ro[/MENTION] hello, how do you find it?

so on this pages: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=643084&view=findpost&p=41625518 ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] MrCego:
dude, these bootloaders... WPinternals support them?
[Windows Phone 8 General] pdaimatejam:
Lumia bootloaders RM-821 Lumia 920?
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
[IMG="this helped get bootloaders for lumia"]https://pp.vk.me/c629127/v629127126/3c5c4/4wDaFUZ0tFE.jpg[/IMG] [MENTION=6003114]MrCego[/MENTION] nope, only restord bootloader

[MENTION=1622319]pdaimatejam[/MENTION] сhecking pm.
[Windows Phone 8 General] MrCego:
In case I fail testing with bootloaders, how to restore it?
[Windows Phone 8 General] anh102w:
I've tried with my 925 RM 893 and it have not worked
[Windows Phone 8 General] anh102w:
Same problem. So sad cause my 925 RM 893 dead
[Windows Phone 8 General] anh102w:
Thank you so much for your hex file. My RM 893 is back :D:D:D
[Windows Phone 8 General] Crash2k:
My Lumia 925 (RM-892) is getting the same error now, unfortunately all firmware pages have been shut down and Windows Device Recovery Tool does not have phone in its list.

Could anyone please point me towards where I can download the firmware? Thank you!
[Windows Phone 8 General] geojoking:
I have a Lumia 625. It managed to recover itself using WDRT, even though it's not on the list. I manually downloaded a RM-941 firmware, put it in the correct folder, and voila.

The thing is, the phone stopped working after 20-25 minutes (I left it to charge, I have no idea when it happened). And now, I can't recover it, either WDRT or manually with Thor2.

I always get the same error, even though I have the recovery files downloaded by WDRT, and also the files (HEX from this threat), bin from the FFU.

SAFE hex file was used and unallowed memory address was being written.

Reset the device and use the correct HEX file.

ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH END

Emergency messaging closed successfully

Operation took about 11.00 seconds.

Unknown error code.

THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 85034 (0x14C2A)

Could it be that the motherboard is over?
[Windows Phone 8 General] cyprestar:
At the last step:

-- GPT ENDs --
Sending OPEN_MULTI_REQ
Message send failed with error code -1
Failed to get response to OPEN_MULTI_REQ
ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH END
Emergency messaging closed successfully
Operation took about 14.00 seconds.

THOR2_EMERGENCYFLASHV1_ERROR_MSG_SEND_RECEIVE_FAIL ED

THOR2 1.8.2.18 exited with error code 85021 (0x14C1D)

Same Situation... When thor2 tries to send OPEN_MULTI_REQ, it failed. Could it be error in the hardware or the

system (Windows 10)? Please tell me the reason, thx...

Also, I have a discovery, when you receive error code 85030, sometimes it's just because the last thor2 process is not terminated, so just plug off the phone and plug in again, retry.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Crash2k:
Since Nokia took the firmware files offline, I found this page that gives you access to the latest firmware files.

http://digipassion.com/new-nokia-lumia-firmware-downloader-free/

Still trying to get it to work now. Finally found a working HEX File but now I got this error message:
[Windows Phone 8 General] cyprestar:
The same problem as I met...

The same problem as I met... I start to think that there is something wrong in hardware....
[Windows Phone 8 General] Cholens:
NaviFirm is down try http://www.lumiafirmware.com/
[Windows Phone 8 General] tsambang:
Please I need a confirmed working Hex.hex file for Nokia Lumia 1320 ( RM-995) I've tested many but none was good. Pleaaaaase
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
are your RM?

994 or 995 or 996?

995:

[Removed broken link.]
[Windows Phone 8 General] tsambang:
Sorry I'm RM -995

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Tanks Reksden. I'll try and let U Know
[Windows Phone 8 General] abhi2996:
PLEASE CAN YOU SEND ME ITS .mbn file urgently
[Windows Phone 8 General] tsambang:
:( Still have the same problem. '' THOR_EMERGENCYFLASHV1_ERROR_PROGRAMMER_SEND_FAILED ''. Is there someone who has already unbrick a Lumia 1320 RM-995 ?? Or some one who knows what is the problem?

My phone is detected as '' Care Suite Emergency Connectivity ''. Could that be the source of the problem? Pleaaaaase need help. My phone is bricked since august

---------- Post added at 09:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:57 PM ----------

Which mbn file do you want?
[Windows Phone 8 General] huwwatkins:
Exactly the same here! Did you ever resolve this? Mine just went to sleep and I couldn't get it to wake up.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dscher:
i need .hex for Lumia 640 DS LTE RM 1075.

RKH of SBL1: 831BE6B18E7006372069545885A80F786C33D064904732D39EFBE0EC7019B5D4

RKH of UEFI: 831BE6B18E7006372069545885A80F786C33D064904732D39EFBE0EC7019B5D4

PLEASE HELP ME. ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
are you reading this post:

http://xdaforums.com/windows-10/windows-10-mobile/firmware-download-lumia-firmware-t3312531 ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] dscher:
I did not find HEX file for Lumia 640 LTE DS

RKH of SBL1: 831BE6B18E7006372069545885A80F786C33D064904732D39E FBE0EC7019B5D4

RKH of UEFI: 831BE6B18E7006372069545885A80F786C33D064904732D39E FBE0EC7019B5D4

???
[Windows Phone 8 General] reksden:
you can download the files you need via http://www.lumiafirmware.com/ser/RM-1075/

Emergency Files

MPRG8x26_fh.ede

RM1075_fh.edp
[Windows Phone 8 General] parth0072:
Sending OPEN_MULTI_REQ

Received valid response to OPEN_MULTI_REQ

Checking eMMC read / write test results...

eMMC Read test passed. eMMC Write test passed!

Programming image m

Image opened successfully for reading

Uploading MBN image 70

SAFE hex file was used and unallowed memory address was being written.

Reset the device and use the correct HEX file.

ALPHA EMERGENCY FLASH END

Emergency messaging closed successfully

Operation took about 11.00 seconds.

Unknown error code.

THOR2 1.8.2.17 exited with error code 85034 (0x14C2A)

c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Care Suite\Windows Phone Recovery Tool>

i have error in my lumia 520 ???plz helm me???

---------- Post added at 01:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:17 PM ----------

plz tell me how you fix it??i have same problem on lumia 520??
[Windows Phone 8 General] geojoking:
Nope, still dead...
[Windows Phone 8 General] parth0072:
i do same thing but my lumia 520 is not show in list???

i can put full firmware of lumia 520 in product folder as you say.