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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] BizzLeonDaCouch:
I'm having almost identical battery life on lollipop as I did on kk... Sucks so many of you guys on here are having an issue with it, wish I knew the answer.

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That looks MUCH better, as far as awake vs screen on.. which makes it even more strange that you are still experiencing such battery drain.

EDIT- could it have something to do with low signal in your area? I noticed in the screen shot that you had low signal, - if so that could be your culprit - anytime the phone has a low signal it will constantly "search"/try to read for a faster connection.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JOSHSKORN:
Did you FDR?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
I was able to solve my battery issues. I bought a Galaxy S6. The battery life has been great compared to my Note 4 on lollipop. And the cool thing is, it doesn't seem to need an "settle in" time LOL
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jr_718:
That's your battery life solution..lol...this really Crack me.up..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
Quick and dirty solution. What I want to avoid is going back to my iPhone 6+... LOL
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Don't forget to pick up an extra battery for it, and a 128gb SD card for all your media.

Oh, wait.....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stillthisguy:
Why can't the lollipop update do this? I rolled back to NJ5 Kk then took the first OTA which is NK5. I really want lollipop, if I could keep this battery life.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
You were saying? Galaxy S6 on day 2... 64gb is plenty for me. Ended with 6 hours SOT. I guess I won't need either of those huh bro?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] AtlAndroid:
But if you do...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
And sooner or later, cellphone batteries die. With the note, you just buy a replacement and toss it in. With the s6, you throw the phone away, and can't even use it for an upgrade.

My 32 gb card (in addition to my notes memory ) is already 3/4 with media, and I'm looking at picking up a replacement card at least 64 gb, but I might just spring for a 128gb depending on the cost.

It's great you love your s6. The mods have aleast cleaned up you posts twice now.

Why don't you go haunt the s6 forums now, since you obviously have nothing beneficial to contribute here?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] AtlAndroid:
I think you quoted the wrong guy. I bought a Note 4, primarily because of the removable battery and SD card.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
This site lists the most common note 4 lollipop uograde issues, with the fixes:

http://thedroidguy.com/2015/04/sams...ollipop-update-ways-to-fix-them-part-6-105265
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jsk23:
If down the road for root we need 4.4.4 kitkat, it has been verified that we can rollback right to that build right?

Im kind of getting tired of the update notification always appearing in my notification shade, and since the latest root rumors don't seem to have much regarding legs, I figure if I can I may as well take this while waiting for root.

Assuming we can rollback.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JOSHSKORN:
I'm confused here. What exactly does "Wipe Cache Partition" mean? It's not the same as a FDR, is it?

Edit: I "sort of" answered my own question. I went ahead and just did the wipe cache partition, and saw another option for a factory reset. Clearly, they aren't the same thing, BUT I still would like to know what a wipe cache partition actually does.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Yep, we can roll back.

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The cache is memory set aside for the system and apps. If this holds old data that isn't lollipop friendly, your phone acts up. Clearing the cache won't mess with your data at all, and can solve a lot of issues with apps that aren't being maintained properly by the authors.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tedkord:
I've never gotten nearly that battery life with my Note 4. With 5-6 hours SOT, I might get 14 hours total time, usually more like 12. Come to think of it, I've never gotten close to the battery life people claim on ANY phone I've ever owned.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] shawnten:
is there a way to update to lollipop without being connect to verizon signal
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Yep...just connect to wifi somewhere. It's a 2gb total, and no way would I use up that much of a data plan for a software update. I do all my app updates on wifi!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mademan420:
Download firmware from here and use ODIN:good:

Instructions

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I dont think that will work unless you have an active VZW SIM installed. Could be wrong though
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] supertoast92:
I don't think Verizon meters the data for an OTA...or at least it doesn't look like they had for me. Hopefully they didn't!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] chibilaharl:
slow performance

Anyone elses note 4 slow as molasses after lollipop update? I've cleared cache, just no idea why it's so slow.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Odds are its busy updating all your apps to lollipop compatibility. Give it a day or so to settle down.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] chibilaharl:
I dunno, I've been using it since last Monday or Tuesday and it's still slow, as if most of the processor is busy
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JOSHSKORN:
Just wanted to report that after the update, Taptalk no longer worked. After reinstalling ut, it ran fine. In fact, I'm on it now.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
What does the battery report say is using it? There are also battery apps that will report what is using the most cpu time currently as well.. you might need to track down something that wasn't updated for lollipop yet.

(I use DU battery)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stillthisguy:
Yeah, I had a droid turbo and I never got this good of battery life with the huge battery in that, but I must have gotten a good Note 4. I just wish the lollipop update had good battery life like KK. Here is more screens from after the last charge.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] crash613:
Maybe I was just spoiled.... I came from the note 2 and had used beans rom since day one... One of the features of the rom was to keep the screen off when receiving a text..

With this phone it lights up every time I get a message.. It is quite a pain in the ass for me, as I don't use a lock screen... Every time it lights up in my pocket, it switches screens over and over, some times starting music, or whatever..

Please tell me that there is a way to keep the screen from coming on when receiving an sms. Third party or otherwise
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mademan420:
The VZW Messenger(Message+) doesnt turn the screen on when a txt is received as long as you dont have ENABLE POPUP OVER LOCK SCREEN checked. Im sure other 3rd party apps have this option as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mray99:
I was hoping someone could help out and clue me in on this lollipop update. I haven't seen it come through yet -- I'm new to Verizon phones and only have the Note 4 for about 2 weeks. I turned off all/most of the Verizon apps when I got the phone. Could that be what's holding up the update? If so, which of those Verizon apps do you need turned on in order to get the lollipop update? Also, my sim is from PagePlus. Will Verizon provide the update directly if you're not using a Verizon sim card?

I've been trying to check for the update through Settings/System updates/ and then tapping the "check for new software update", but I'm not even sure if you'd get the lollipop update through that, or if that's just for smaller updates directly from Samsung.

Anyway, if someone could shed some light on this for me I'd really appreciate it. I noticed on another thread there are direct downloads and some brief instructions for lollipop, but I don't have much experience with this and am concerned I'll brick the new phone trying to figure it out, so for now I'm waiting for the OTA version.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] itspeat:
I believe textra also offers that functionality
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stillthisguy:
I use hangouts or google messenger, screen doesn't come on for either of those.

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If you only disabled apps through app manager that would not block the update. You do need an active Verizon Sim though, since you are using page plus, that is why you haven't gotten the update. If you know someone on vzw, just put their Sim in to pull the update or you could try using kies to update, or worst case flash the update with Odin.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mray99:
[MENTION=717942]stillthisguy[/MENTION] -- THANK YOU so much for that explanation. If I went checking that System Updates tab on the phone one more time for this lollipop update I would have screamed! I'm wondering if they might help me out in a local Verizon store? Maybe worth a try. I'll check out the Kies software as well, though I don't know much about it other than that I've seen the name floating around. If all else fails, maybe I can find a youtube video that walks you through the Odin process.

Again, thanks for setting me on the right track.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
I'm not sure it's wise installing the Verizon version on your phone without using Verizon. We couldn't install the sprint or att versions on our phones without having issues, or we'd have upgraded to lollipop a month ago. Our version comes with pure installed verizon apps that you can't disable. You might find that after flashing the rim, your phone no longer works.

If you are lucky, you might be able to flash back to kitkat fort your phone, but if not, you might end up with a brick.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mray99:
Well, I don't know for sure either -- what I can tell you is that PagePlus is on the Verizon network, and the Note 4 I have is a Verizon branded phone that came with all the usual Verizon bloat on it. When booting the phone you get the big red screen with the Verizon logo. To run the phone, I had to order a PagePlus sim card, but the sim is the only deviation from it being what anyone else here might find on their own phone if they use Verizon.

So, again, speaking without the level of knowledge that most of the people here seem to have, I would tend to think that using the Verizon version of lollipop is probably the correct way to go. I will take your warning to heart though and maybe check around some forums that have dedicated PagePlus threads and see if I can confirm prior to doing anything.

Thanks for your input.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mising:
To update mine, I downloaded the two files provided in the following post and installed in recovery.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59990447

To get into recovery mode: power off phone then hold down home, vol up, and power simultaneously and you should boot into recovery mode.

My phone has been running great so far with no battery issues whatsoever.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mray99:
thanks for the info.

Please excuse the rookie questions; when you download those 2 files you put them on the sd card in your phone? Do you unzip them first, or they just go on the sd card as is? Is there a particular folder on the sd card that you want to put them in or anywhere they land will work? Once your in that recovery mode, does the phone automatically find those files or do you have to somehow direct to them?

Again, sorry about the novice questions. If I'm going to try this for a first time its going to go better if I'm not guessing once I've started.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mising:
Do not unzip them, and yes, place them on the SD card. They will work wherever, but I was unable to scroll to the bottom of my card in recovery, so you may want to place them in a folder beginning with a or b. Once you boot into recovery, select "install from sd card" and using the up/down volume button to navigate and the power button to select, browse to the first file, select, and it will install and reboot. Repeat with second file.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] crash613:
Thanks for the suggestions on the Messaging app I'm currently trying Google message and textra. I like them both I wish there was a combination of the two.

I like the outgoing noise as you send message (although I wish you could edit it ).

Both, however, keep the screen off when receiving a text message. ?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
You might try calling tetra to ask them about the Verizon lollipop...I'd think they could tell you if the Verizon stores can update for you.

After you update, it's good to reboot to recovery, clear the cache, and then do a system restore. That clears out the old kitkat junk, so lollipop work better. Odds are you'll also see many updates in the play store so your apps are also up to date for lollipop.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] J3ff:
just fyi.

me and 3 of my co workers have note 4's.

We all updated asap and we all have poor battery life compared to KK. I'm sorry but after enjoying the KK experience of ALL day battery life (I take it off the charger at 615am and it would be at 20% at 10pm) we just can't deal with being in the yellow zone at 3pm. That just doesn't work.

I went back to KK and will probably roll the other three back tomorrow.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ucsdsig13:
I've noticed that after upgrading to 5.01, I no longer see the focus ring/indicator when using the camera (unless I touch a specific area of the screen and manually focus).

Anyone else have this issue?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] RayTrue04:
Is it normal for the Verizon Note 4 to show both wifi and mobile data running together or is that a bug on LP? Just asking because a friend of mine is on my wifi and his shows both running together while my Sprint Note Edge only runs on wifi and shuts off mobile data. Is that a Verizon thing? Must defeat the whole purpose of turning wifi on for battery saving purposes.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Sippi4x4man:
Mine does the same thing
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mobalized:
Noticing another interesting thing, my phone screen is noticeable brighter at all times than my fiances note 4 who has less wake lock issues and substantially better battery life. She's getting 5+ hours of screen time and I'm getting 3-4. Not sure why her auto brightness is completely different than mine.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Does one of you have adaptive display settings on, and the other not? (It's under settings/display)

I also noticed there is a new Samsung push update that supposed reduces data use, and saves power...they are telling s6 users to get it to help resolve battery duration issues, but I saw the update for my note 4 yesterday as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mobalized:
Both phones are default adaptive display on. I downloaded the update yesterday and haven't noticed one bit of difference.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] nh97103:
Drat, I updated a few days ago, did a factory reset and everything, and my phone just froze and rebooted when I was typing a Google+ comment. That should not happen. :/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
In reality, the only phone that has been consistent with great battery life for me has been the iPhone 6+... it is literally the only device that I can travel with and not worry about it getting through 12 hour days of emails, conference calls etc. Sucks, because I hate Apple. It also didn't need Settle in time, cache wipes, factory resets, Forums, the thing just works.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] RayTrue04:
That's because iphones are not multitaskers. They close apps when you exit them unlike android.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mray99:
One question on using Kies for the Lollipop update -- I installed kies and am getting a message that I can do the 5.0 update through that. Whether it will work to completion or not I don't know, but one thing it says in the update pop up I'm getting is that if you're upgrading from kit kat you won't be able to revert back.

I've seen on the forums here people talk about being able to go back to kit kat after some problems with lollipop, so I'm wondering is there something different about doing it through kies that changes that ability? Anyone know anything with that? I'm not clear if Kies does the update differently, or if what they're actually saying is that reverting just isn't available through the kies software, but there may actually be some alternative way of reverting without it.

Thanks for any info---
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tedkord:
Don't misunderstand me, I get through the day easily. And like I said, that's with 5-6 hours screen on time, usually with a couple of hours of streaming either Netflix or Amazon Prime. I have a couple of coworkers work iPhones, and they're always pulling out the charger kind before I do, and they don't use them nearly as much as I do.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Just ignore magnum. He ditched his note 4 for a s6 hoping to get better battery life, and is just here to stir the pot.

And amusingly enough, because the s6 phones have the hd screens but a smaller battery, they are getting worse battery life, unless you cut that gorgeous screen brightness down to 50% or more.

That's the price we pay for an amazing hd screen...it requires more battery to power it, but after looking at other people's phones with screens that don't look half as good, I could never go back to a screen that wasn't hd
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
Lol! Just stating facts maam. I have had sufficient time with every decent phone Verizon has, so it's not like I'm just here to troll. The 6+ gets better life than the Note 4 on KitKat, and on LP. Also, HD is 720p(1280x720), Full HD is 1920 x 1080(iPhone 6+), Samsungs have QHD screens(2560 x 1440). Just to clarify. Don't say my name if you don't want me to come back on here maam.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gcounts:
Please stop now. This only gets worse when comparing oranges and apples. Fantastic news about 6+, this is not a 6+ forum.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
It's inevitable that a new phone release will have superior hardware. Phone arena just did an in depth comparison between both phones.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S6-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id3970

Amusingly enough, they do point out that the note 4 does have superior battery life to the s6 because of the battery size. If you pay more to get the higher storage space in the s6, that negates the advantage of having a SD card slot, and since it uses faster ram, there might even be a slight performance boost as a result.

Not having a replaceable battery though is a big issue. Batteries only can be charged a certain number of times before they eventually fail. The cost of replacing the s6's battery though will render the phone worthless once it hits that point, so our note 4s not only can use a spare battery on the go, but if taken care if properly, can be used for a longer period of time before eventual failure.

Magnum abandoned his note 4 in favor of the s6 for better battery life, but his reasons were wrong, since it actually has inferior battery life. If I was just buying now, it would be worth the consideration of an s6 for the performance boost, but you would be sacrificing several features like the s pen (Which I use all the time).

There is nothing wrong with either choice, but I know we got our note 4s with the trade in promo for only $100, and the extra $300 for the s6 wouldn't be worth the tradeoffs for us. (For the 64 gb model) That's 4 times what we paid, lol!

The note 5 might be another matter though, depending on its cost and features, but I suspect it's going to cost even more, pricing it out of our value range.

For those concerned about the features and value of the Note 4 vs the newly released models, there are obviously still many reasons to go with the older Note 4 vs the new phones.

It's great to have the options though!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tedkord:
They also noted that both the Note 4 and S6 had better battery life than the iPhone 6+. I have the Note 4, and a coworker had the iPhone 6+, and he's on the charger much more often than I am. And he uses it less.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rushmore69:
I find the Note 4 with stock better than the iPhone 6+, but I am still on Kitkat, so can not speak for the Lollipop upgrade. I see no reason upgrading an already great performing device, so chose not to update. At least Verizon gives the option not to upgrade to Lollipop and you can later if you want. Verizon did force a pre Lollipop upgrade, but the actual Lollipop update was optional.

A few friends and acquaintances have upgraded and still report less battery life after the week or two they have had it. A sample of four people though is not exactly conclusive, but no harm no foul to me since not updating to it.

Added: I am referring to actual screen on time. Like the iPad (I have an Air and a Note 2014 10"), the iPhone has much better standby time than Android devices.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
It's really hard to compare battery life times on the same devices, because we all have a completely different mix of installed apps and widgets.

My main reason for wanting lollipop was the improved faster performance. The new underlying os is much snappier. And my benchmarks went up an average of 20% across the board.

The speed increase might be a partial cause of poorer battery performance, but the insistence of lollipop themes displaying all white screens might also contribute.

I'm not sure if it's still the case, but on our old s3, displays used more battery for white themes compared to dark themes. Since everything is material white or brilliant colored banners, that might be contributing as well to shorter battery life.

We've got a car quickcharger, so we top off in the car, and have never really run down to nothing on our notes yet.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bumperjeep:
Has there been any resolution to some of the battery issues? I've done a factory reset and my screen on time is 1hr and 14 minutes and I have 56 percent after a full charge. That leave me with 2-3 hours SoT before the battery goes from 100 - 0 - there has to be a better resolution.

I also started using an Android watch.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mobalized:
Wow and I thought mine was bad. Your phone doesn't know what standby is lol. It just stays awake hardcore.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bumperjeep:
Haha, well any tips on how to fix that?

Is there a guide handy for rolling back to 4.4.4?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mademan420:
http://xdaforums.com/note-4-verizon/development/firmware-firmware-kernel-modem-recovery-t2942937 :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Abenichou:
Exactly the same feeling here, I have a bought a new Note 4 two months ago, and waited so long for the Android 5 update I got this morning. The only reaso I bought that phone was for the mutli user mode, and Samsung removed it. I will sell the Note 4 and buy anything else that will allow it. Except if you have a work around.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bond32:
Thought I would point out something... Not to beat a dead horse that is.

After having pretty poor performance on this update since release (and a full wipe/factory reset), I decided to roll back to 4.4, specifically NI1. Even after about 10 hours, the phone performs noticeably better for me. Charged the phone to full, then battery dropped to around 74% and I had almost 2 hours of screen on time. This never happened on the update. And there is no "settle in" period.

All power to those that have had success. Perhaps I'll try again on this update, but it doesn't have anything that appeals to me in the form of function, so I'm happy with 4.4.4. Phone runs fantastic just as it is to me.