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[Moto X General] santosacm:
You are entitled to have your opinion., but I wonder what is based on? Do you have the Brazilian XT1058 with the Brazilian 5.0.2 soak test ROM? Cause I do. And I can confirm what "chaoslimits" is saying. After instalation and full wipe, I find the system as responsive and bug free as KK was for me.

What I believe is that Motorola skipped to 5.1 because they realized that it would be smartest thing to do. Imagine the waste of time and money it would be to send a large update file (the soak test file is over 600 MB) to millions of devices around the world in April just to have them all updated again in May. They may not admit it, it's not good PR to keep your customers waiting so you can save money, but the soak test was good enough to be released and latter patched with some minor updates.
[Moto X General] drummper:
Waste for sending a 600 MB File?? , do you imagine the waste for having XX Peopple working in the 5.0 update and don't use that Android version? That's waste my friend. And of course you are entitled to have your opinion too ;)

I don't owe loyalty to motorola or any other brand. Im just a consumer. If they do something i dont like I just say it and period.
[Moto X General] goducks3620:
I want a solid release of Lollipop as well but my frustration with this whole process is that the 2013 X was the flagship of the "new" Motorola, owned by Google, with almost-stock Android, so I bought it assuming that it would be updated almost as quickly as a Nexus device. Since then, the cheaper Moto G has come out, a newer Moto X, both updated quickly while month after month drags on for us. And Google sold Motorola so you start wondering how vested this new owner is in an older product. I suspect Google would have made sure this got done more quickly.

I thought the multi-chip thing was cool originally, but I guess next time I'll be keeping an eye out to avoid phones that have unique chipsets.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Being entitled to his own opinion is one thing, but to call someone's experience "wrong"... ;)

While the soak was good enough, it's feasible that it wasn't complete enough for carrier distribution (I don't know about outside the US). I would hope, howerver, that an almost complete 5.0.2 leads to less of a slog to 5.1. :D
[Moto X General] JulesJam:
But we were never promised that.

Also, 5.1 has HD calling on Verizon and I know Verizon has been having issues with HD calling and the load it is putting on the LTE network. It could very well be that for the Verizon model, it is Verizon once again causing the delay.

On Verizon this is a 3G only phone so at least for Verizon, the Moto G doesn't present the HD calling issues.

I have this phone and Lollipop is not a good experience on this phone - tons of bugs. And still no simultaneous voice/data.

Not on Verizon. Remember the Galaxy Nexus?
[Moto X General] santosacm:
I am not saying his experience is "wrong". :o

I am just wondering if he used the ROM in the device it was meant to. If he did, then it is a clear evidence that the ROM was far from complete. If he did not, then we should considered this as a possible cause for the issues he experienced. ;)

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Of course, one 600 MB file isn't big enough to be a waste;), but 600 MB times 1 million devices is 600 TB (:eek:!). That's a lot of data to be download from their servers. A lot!!

So it's cheaper to use the team working on 5.0.2 update to use their know-how to work on the 5.1 update and get that done faster.

I am not saying they're right. Actually, I do believe that we have the right to complain. And we should. Loud and clear. What I meant was that this "skip to 5.1" move was purely business and not due to technical issues with 5.0.2. development. :good:
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
That wasn't directed at you. :angel:

I was referencing the guy you quoted. He claimed that my relatively bug-free experience with the 5.0.2 soak was "wrong" lol.
[Moto X General] whgp:
Samsung updated Galaxy s4 to lollipop ,this device Launched in first of year 2013, in March

and Moto X Launched Last year of 2013, in August but still on Kitkat There are only lies and gossip from motorola about L.
[Moto X General] guruzen:
Well. Not really. An update delay does not mean any gossip or lies. It is just a technical challenge they are facing in making an update that provides a good experience. Apart from that, considering the employee strength at Moto, they wont want to work on another update after 5.1 to fix Moto X (2013) issues but to work on newer devices and their updates. We can be for sure that the update which we will get anytime soon will be the last update.
[Moto X General] Capitalist101:
Running Android 5.0.2 Cyanogenmod 12 Nightly.

Pretty stable I'd say.
[Moto X General] JulesJam:
I hope it gets HD Calling.
[Moto X General] adity:
Dude my grandpa has an s4 and the update rendered his phone unusable.

Samsung had to halt the update because of several issues and it hasn't continued since probably.

I had to downgrade his phone to kitkat using Odin.

The phone was practically useless
[Moto X General] stealtheye:
Guys I know Motorola have really let us down and have not lived up to their rep for speedy OS updates, but there's honestly no point in arguing and fussing. Just be patient. It will come and when it does I'm sure there will be a reason for the MASSIVE delay in that its fast stable and delice. But for now the guys over CM have been doing such an awesome job. CM12.1 (5.1) is officially out for us, not the most stable but its there to enjoy and there are the ridiculously stable CM12 (5.0.2) nightlies which I and many, many others are using as daily drivers.

So for now enjoy CM LP 5.0.2 or 5.1 and just wait for the official Moto 5.1.
[Moto X General] Hitesh1802:
Dam you motorola i bought moto x over nexus 5 just because you updated moto x before nexus 5 and you promise you will continue that, but instead of updating months ago you are still tweaking this and that fooling all customers. :mad:
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
Old news.

The Brazilian soak is stable and as far as I can see, it has no bugs. Been using it for a week or two now. I honestly don't see why they wouldn't just push that OTA.

I've tried to go back to 4.4.4 and wait. I can't believe the number of features 5.0/5.1 have that I just kind of take for granted at this point. Features that make it tough to deal with 4.4.4 now.

People who are happy sitting on 4.4.4 and waiting, all the more power to you. It was a solid release. But to answer the question of "does it really have features you can't live without", my answer is... Yes.

And no, I'm not *****ing about the release. They've spent too much time developing 5.1 now... Its coming for sure. They've already released stable soaks.
[Moto X General] coldtech:
Does Moto active display work for you? When I tested it, the infrared proximity sensors didn't seem to work...so I couldn't "wake" the display by hovering over it with my hand.
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
No, the wake on hover doesn't work, but who knows if its supposed to or not. That was a 2014 X feature. We had it for a bit, but its pretty highly debated as to whether it was an added feature or a bug.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
but other than "live on the cutting edge" everything you mentioned can already be done with our existing OS.

Back in the day, we all speculated that with the Sale to Lenovo, things at Moto could/would change.. And look, they did. Leading up to the sale, Motorola Mobility had layoffs, Punit Soni left, etc. The sale was reported as being complete in October 2014, so there was bound to be restructuring which would greatly effect Moto. In other words, Motorola "dropping the ball on their PAYING CUSTOMERS" was inevitable unless they had the same staff, same resources, small number phone phones to update (like when the 2013 X was released), etc. Instead they have more phone models to support with less staff, and presumably a smaller budget.

And therein lies the rub.. For a while now, with Android, running a legacy OS is the "norm." It was fine in the feature phone days, but smart phone users expect more. With the "mobile computing platforms" in our hands, we expect features to be added to our phones. Just think if we had that attitude towards cars, houses, etc... Heck, My wife, Mom, and I cant even get yearly MAP updates for the Nav system in our GM (two Buicks and a Saab) cars for free.

Google can't/wont help because they didn't make the phones, nor do they make money off those phones. Its up to the phone maker to acquire the drivers, customize the OS, add a skin or overlay (i.e. TouchWiz, Sense, etc), or.. As far as google is concerned they release regularly to AOSP so they have given us the latest and greatest OS. They make it/release it for their AOSP devices. Done. End of story. Since its the PHONE makers who make the money, and pay to support the devices, I point the blame mostly at them. Every year now they come out with the "next" model, and the previous generation gets slower support. Take Samsung.. GS6 came out this year with 5.02, GS5 came out last year, got its upgrade to 5.02 a few months back. GS4 came out the year before the S5, its starting to get 5.02 over the last few weeks, but myVerizon GS4 hasn't recevied it yet. Same could be said of the HTC One M9, M8, M7... There is only profit in selling new hardware. Upgrading the software on existing hardware is an expense to them. Cutting expenses makes profits look bigger.

At least Moto told us, via their forums, they decided to skip 5.02, and refocus on 5.1, so when we finally get it, it will be "more current." (yeah, it will still be an "older" os, but newer than 5.02) What if their people continued spending their time on 5.02 and that is what they gave us? Would we ever see 5.1? and if so how long would that have taken?
[Moto X General] MadPriest:
it does not work for me on the stock 4.4.4
[Moto X General] scht:
The update from kit kat has started! SS from Brazil's Moto X Facebook group:
[Moto X General] Got_Evo?:
I'm giving up on android/moto as of now. My iPhone is on its way.
[Moto X General] coldtech:
Really? That's strange...all the reviews mentioned it as a feature, and it's working fine on my Moto X and the one of my girlfriend (both on 4.4.4). So I was under the impression that it should work.

I guess you can't silence incoming calls by hovering either then?
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
It could be a feature. Probably one of the few bugs they had left to work out.

I can't answer your question about silencing phone calls. I almost never use my phone as a phone. 90% of my communications are via hangouts or email, 9% is text messages. the 1% remaining is when I call out. I only use around 8 minutes a month.
[Moto X General] thouseefhameed:
We at XDA will root and install custom ROM with 5.1.1 and live cutting edge!!!

Think what you are saying!!

All this nagging means you ain't rooting and is waiting for the OEM to update.. Install a ROM with 5.1.1 and use Ambient display instead of Active Display.. But still I miss AD.
[Moto X General] rajkaran98:
Hi ! I have Moto X Gen 1 running on KitKat. Moto active display does work on my handset by hovering hand over the sensor.
[Moto X General] coldtech:
Yes, for me too. The question was directed at the 5.1 Brazilian Soak test - there it didn't work for me.
[Moto X General] RealNBB:
Moto is so boring is this case! Anyway...X is still good! :D
[Moto X General] ban.codrut:
Alla this people raging about not getting lollipop. I must ask: what is that android L brings to you that will change your life ?

KitKat is a very good and stable OS as it's for now with lollipop development. If you are waiting for the update only to change the moto voice hotphrase there is a thread on XDA of the app ported from lollipop to KitKat. But honestly what is that makes Android L so special ? Animations? Less battery life? Material design?? What?
[Moto X General] CharleySimmons:
1. upgraded Bluetooth capabilities (4.x will not send calls info/sms to certain bluetooth capable devices such as the fitbit surge, while 5.x does)

2. moto voice hotphrase - yes there is a thread on how to change it, however the wife's phone is off-limits when it comes to modding - so being able to create a custom phrase for each of us is VERY useful.

3. I DO want the latest greatest software. Supporting a less than 2 year old phone (that was their flagship at launch) should not be a problem. If the phone was over 2 years old, yeah - I would cut them some slack.
[Moto X General] whgp:
this device Announced August 2013 (1 year, 9 months) not old .
[Moto X General] cindylike24:
I've had my share of buggy updates pushed out to phones to know that it is better to wait and have a solid update than to have to deal with a buggy update that was rushed out in a hurry because people wanted it yesterday and the company didn't have the guts to delay it until everything was fixed. I have a gut feeling that it will be rolling out to us here pretty soon. I don't know when but I definitely think it may be sooner than anyone thinks.

Cindy
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
It's always going to be something petty in everyone elses eyes... especially for the people who are happy on KK.

That said...

1) Chrome tabs integrated into recents menu.

2) Hotphrase detection

3) active display now shows multiple apps, rather than just the most recent one

4) Sleep hours baked into ROM

5) Overall design

6) Ability to search business from phone app rather than having to search through google maps or other means.

I am sure there are more, but like I said in an earlier post... most of the features I "cant live without" are things I have come to take for granted. I didn't notice I needed them until I went back to KK.
[Moto X General] lolcopter:
I actually HATE this, along with EVERY search staying in the"multitasking" menu

Yup this is a good one, along with custom Google hotword launch phrases and"chop action for flashlight" (which the 2013 may not even get)

Another poor implementation of a good idea, having priority mode kill ALL audio even alarms. Missing a true silence mode. Windows Phone quiet hours gets it right, shoulda just stole that

This is a nexus only feature for some stupid reason
[Moto X General] St.Noigel:
GOOD NEWS!

Update 5/25/2015: Select users on Retail BR (212.44.26.ghost_row.Brasil.en.BR retbr) can download and install Android 5.1.
[Moto X General] crazyxzer0:
perhaps it will arrive in the US sometime in the next month...lol
[Moto X General] domenci:
Sweet, I can't wait to install a twrp backup of it while we're still waiting for the official drop here in the US!
[Moto X General] Bigluc:
I seriously don't understand why the Brazil and US teams are working separately. If the update is good enough to rollout to Brazil, why not roll it out to the US as well?
[Moto X General] metaljr81:
You can turn this off in the settings.
[Moto X General] whgp:
this means it has become final release now ?
[Moto X General] Kustaa:
According to https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/105221, the build 222.21.15 seems to be the final one. So no hand wave gesture?
[Moto X General] whgp:
If this build final thats mean all regions will get this update soon ! is this true?
[Moto X General] lolcopter:
Where/how?
[Moto X General] aaraya1516:
the page you linked: "...It will also intelligently react when you use the Approach gesture under Moto Actions."
[Moto X General] whgp:
Moto X(2 Gen) and Moto E(2 Gen) with LTE on US Cellular updates to Android 5.1 are rolling out right now :D

http://www.uscellular.com/android/software.html#motoX2gen
[Moto X General] DonDizzurp:
Pretty sure this ROM is never coming

Well, by the time it gets here, the Moto X will be way too old.

Motorola is slacking.

I have a first gen Moto G that has Lollipop for several months now.
[Moto X General] dromango:
Even the moto 360 hasn't got lollipop update. Motorola hasn't changed.
[Moto X General] Jizzylax:
Bunch of whiners.
[Moto X General] Got_Evo?:
Everyone, say it with me.......IOS 8, IOS 8, IOS 8....LOL
[Moto X General] lolcopter:
??

can't find this anywhere
[Moto X General] MortimerR:
Final releases are coming, well, their trickling out little by little. So it will be coming. I really don't like the fact that the Moto X is getting 5.1 last out of every other model, but what can you do. It probably sold the worst and was their first flagship (in awhile)
[Moto X General] Travisdroidx2:
Bought a new 65" 850C Sony 4k UHD TV. Came with android 5.02 LP. Been away from this forum for a few days. Checked back and still no news. Time to go back to my TV forum as there is more action there. Lol
[Moto X General] metaljr81:
Chrome settings > Merge Tabs and Apps.
[Moto X General] St.Noigel:
News from Shuster
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
Mine doesn't kill alarms. It silences calls and texts for all but my starred contacts.

I have a Windows phone as well, and I do not like the way it works. Rather than silencing calls, it automatically forwards them to voice mail. Not that it should bother me... I dont really get calls.

I miss a few things about Android when I use my windows phone, but none are main features. Most revolve around lack of apps. I miss integrated gapps... specifically hangouts and gmail/inbox. Maps, I am sure Id miss if I ever went anywhere that I needed directions for. The Google camera (or even stock moto camera) I miss dearly. There isn't a windows phone app in existence that does a good job at panorama. Ironic, considering how they bill WP as THE phone for photography.
[Moto X General] LuthfiKun:
"Moto X : The Forgotten Flagship"

A damn scary horror movie

--------------------------------------------

Will Motorola Active Display come with "upcoming" Lollipop update?
[Moto X General] MortimerR:
It's weird, because besides the camera, the Moto X 1st gen is a triumph. Feels great, looks great, works great. But I think it was so different from every flagship out at the time. It didn't have a 5.5 inch screen, running a fairly stock android os, wasn't like the samsung phones and just filled with inefficient cores. Maybe that scared people from getting it? Because I believe the 1st Moto X didn't do great. Relatively.
[Moto X General] goducks3620:
You had to have a certain mindset to buy the first gen Moto X, one that recognized the pocketability vs screen size tradeoff. I remember looking at the Nexus 5 next to it in the store and trying hard to ignore the siren song of the Nexus's larger screen. I think this battle's been lost, unfortunately, looking at the phones out nowadays.

This is also a guy phone because women tend to carry their phones in a purse, where total size is much less an issue. I've yet to see a woman with a first gen Moto X, although I'm sure there are some.
[Moto X General] whgp:
for update news about lollipop Moto X

https://plus.google.com/106984013892934805292/posts

https://plus.google.com/communities...4/stream/3e197d1d-283d-4701-ae65-1c80fad3dcd6

:o:o
[Moto X General] Kiristiba:
You can count me as one :)

Yes I carry it in my handbag

but my hands are smaller...
[Moto X General] lolcopter:
OMG for phones only... wasn't seeing this on my N7. google is so stupid sometimes

thx for the info anyway

https://android.stackexchange.com/q...apps-option-on-android-tablet-running-lollipo
[Moto X General] Dadud:
Motorola update services updated on me tonight.
[Moto X General] vesoisthebest:
Confirm this!My Moto update services updated too right now.
[Moto X General] paveheart90:
Mine too, but the changelog only says it's a bugfix for problems that arise when the download of an OTA update is interrupted, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
[Moto X General] mk1129:
A bigger screen usually means a shorter battery life. That's one of the reasons why I prefer Moto X (1st Gen) as my primary smartphone for work.:)

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I remember a windows phone should be able to have Nokia Here map which is as good as Google Maps, and may have the even better offline maps feature. Maybe you can try it.
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
yeah, it has HERE maps and HERE drive+. I haven't had to use it yet, but I have a friend who has always been a die-hard Nokia fan, and thus, always a WP user... and he is constantly swearing at those apps. He says they work when they want to, then when you actually really need directions, they just can't be bothered.

What is driving me nuts right now is the lack of apps that offer any sort of real gmail support. (I'm using W10 Preview). Outlook checks periodically and downloads the email, but then just can't be bothered to tell me I have anything. haha... beta testing. Gotta love it.
[Moto X General] lolcopter:
Lol android m officially announced, meanwhile in lollipop land... less than 10% adoption rate

Lolololol
[Moto X General] lmacmil:
My wife got hers 8 months before I got mine.
[Moto X General] adity:
Has moto even started pushing the update?
[Moto X General] MortimerR:
Brazil is getting the update right now. I don't know about any other country. Possibly?
[Moto X General] whgp:
I do not know what they are doing these idiots.

Who knows maybe skipping lollipop again to M

we'll forced to wait another ten months .hhhh
[Moto X General] cindylike24:
I'm a lady who has had the Moto X (1st Generation) Developer Edition since February 2015. One of the best smartphones I've ever had. Don't regret this purchase in the slightest.

Cindy
[Moto X General] whgp:
me too I liked this phone is best what I bought

but the disadvantage that without an external Card slot and delay stupid Motorola updates.

:silly:
[Moto X General] cindylike24:
You know, I thought that not having a removable battery and expandable memory would be big deal breaker for me but in reality, I really don't miss either thing too much. The battery life on the Moto X is a lot better than it was on my previous phone (which was a Samsung Galaxy S3). I got the 32GB version and with everything that I normally have on my phone, I end up having around 10GB free space after everything gets installed.

As for the delays, Here is my philosophy on that. It is what it is. Eventually, we'll get the lollipop update and I do believe that our patience will be rewarded here for us pretty soon. Just a gut feeling I have about it.

Cindy
[Moto X General] whgp:
I agree in the first part of your words

what is the value we get the update and will come after just days newest update from him.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/05/29/verizons-moto-x-1st-gen-has-a-soak-test-incoming-lollipop/

DL guys seem to know something we don't ;)
[Moto X General] mawells787:
Someone in the comments already received it. Its not lollipop, appears to be a maintenance update.
[Moto X General] superkeest:
go to about phone -> check for updates and you will receive it too. Its not a soak test.
[Moto X General] jamesino:
I received an OTA on 05/29/15 today. The update was called Verizon 212.166.3.enus. I think it was around 10 mb in size. It is NOT the 5.1 Lollipop update.

I was a bit disappointed when I went through the RSDLite process of restoring my phone to stock and then upgrading and then discovering that it wasn't Lollipop.

But this means that my phone is ready for the OTA when it comes right?
[Moto X General] Arak-Nafein:
So much whining and moaning. Geez, give it a break. We get it, you're upset because you can't have the latest update right gosh darn now. Boo hoo, get over it. It'll come when it comes. I don't really see what the big deal is?

I'm not even planning on updating, I'm still on 4.4 (Not 4.4.4) and I don't really see a reason to upgrade? My phone is perfectly fast & functional.

Maybe they're holding the update because of all the whining & complaining? The more you cry, the longer it takes, lol.
[Moto X General] Jizzylax:
Anyone know what this update did?
[Moto X General] elzeus:
It's a security update about 911 calls I think that affected all 2013/14 moto phones.
[Moto X General] Jacklad:
They make mini usb dongles that allow you to attache a flash drive - works well, flash drive pops up right away-