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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rushmore69:
Per Android team and users of L, ART takes anywhere from 10% to 20% of additional storage space (depending on the individual app structure).

Taking the mean of that (15%), that would be .15 X 23GB = 3.45GB less possible storage. L also needs 500mb more of an operational floor, so the actual hit is almost 4GB of total storage. I in no stretch see that

as value and more than happy with KK and the speed / battery life of the N4- as is. I travel a lot, so utterly despise cloud storage compared to local storage as an option.

The performance difference is functionally nominal between KK and Lollipop.... Unless you go by optimum lab conditions / reports that Android used for marketing it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bond32:
If you have a technical explanation for this, then I'm all ears. Otherwise I really don't understand why people say this....

It's software, on a phone. Not a growing plant or a new house pet, it doesn't need a few days to "settle in".

Even after a factory reset the battery life is noticeably worse on my end.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Have you ever upgrading phone operating systems before? On all my phone and all the upgrades over the last few years, every single time it was mentioned that it takes a few days for the is to settle in.

The is tracks your battery charge, and charge levels, and it takes a few charge cycles for it to learn your battery performance. If the is hasn't learned how much your battery has when it's full, and how much it has when discharged completely, it can't accurately report what percent is left.

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Since we can add a 128gb SD card to the note 4, and it's been documented that lollipop is more fluid and faster than kitkat, I can't see any concern at all in a few measly extra gbs of storage used. I only have 3/4 of my 32 gb SD card used, and it has thousands of pics and hours of music stored on it. I can't even imaging needing a 128gb card, unless I'm storing 1080p tv series seasons on my phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tedkord:
I think you've got a basic misunderstanding. ART is going to affect installed apps written in Java. It's not going to take 15% off the top of your storage. For instance, my apps take up about 5gb of my storage. Assuming that they all are java and not native, going from DALVIK to ART should only increase the space they take up by .5-1gb.

I should add that after updating to 5.0.1, my internal storage is roughly the same as it was prior. And the "nominal" performance gain is quite noticeable.

If I'm misunderstanding this, please someone correct me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] burntrat:
Is there still a delay after hitting the recent apps key?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
It varies, but generally, yes. It may be slightly less pronouced.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] burntrat:
Damnnn....I was hoping it would be completely gone with the new upgrade. Thanks for the reply.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Yep.. but since mine is loading like 50 thumbnails of apps I've just used, I kind of expect a 1 second delay.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bond32:
Mine has the same delay with the recents key and only about 6 apps open. Same as always I believe.

As for the battery, perhaps I'll let it run down to zero then charge it to full? It seems to be draining rather quickly - just idle it dropped 10% in about 30 min (no screen on).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
?

You keep telling everyone this... I work on the Network/Telecom side of I.T. maybe you could explain this to me from a programming standpoint? How does one bake this in to Linux? Is there specific code written to "settle in" after a few charge cycles? If you are regurgitating stuff you have read on other posts, just admit it, cmon dog. This is NOT a legit explanation.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
You can reduce nearly anything to abusurdism, but He probably is referring to things like the media scanning process/indexing process, app cache generation, app restore process and other tasks that are run on first boot and/or after major system changes.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] magnumrt562:
You are a supreme optimist.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Did you even read my post about this on the previous page? Let me repeat it again, since you obviously are not reading the posts in this thread.

"Have you ever upgrading phone operating systems before? On all my phone and all the upgrades over the last few years, every single time it was mentioned that it takes a few days for the os to settle in and report accurate battery readings.

The os tracks your battery charge, and charge levels, and it takes a few charge cycles for it to learn your battery performance. If the os hasn't learned how much your battery has when it's full, and how much it has when discharged completely, it can't accurately report what percent is left."
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bond32:
I get that. You have installed x amount of roms, blah blah. We all have. But the point is that I see that comment everywhere - let it "settle". Sorry but I just don't get it. Again if there's a technical explanation then I'm all ears. But a few key points - When I took the OTA, battery life was crap afterwards. So I did a full factory reset including internal storage wipe. And it's still the same, much worse than before the update. So correct me if I'm wrong, but I more/less put the phone in an "out-of-the-box" state and the battery life is pretty bad.

But I'll bite, and do a few full discharge/recharge to see what happens. I just don't see how a piece of software would need time to "settle in" on anything (except some sort of terminator A.I. of course).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] BizzLeonDaCouch:
Well, that's how it works, believe it or not.. makes no difference. I'm having no problem with the battery life, it's about the same now.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bond32:
Wouldn't really go so far as to call it "crap", I mean if it works, it works. But a little explanation would be nice. Not "well ive done it this way and it works".
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
I did explain what's going on twice now, and you've chosen to not read those posts.

Since you are choosing to be abrasive, I'll not spend any more time trying to help you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wrichards2009:
This sounds far fetched, but with the new software youre probably playing with your phone more then you were on the old update. Software wise its like the phone is new again. So perhaps the diminished battery life can be at least partially attributed to that. My usage hasn't changed, and my battery life has been consistently excellent...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bond32:
Thought I was pretty clear when I said Technical explanation. Any average Iphone user can say "The OS does it."

So no, you actually didn't do anything.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] BizzLeonDaCouch:
then why don't you go educate yourself then? Do some research. I based what I said off of personal experience, I don't mind if you don't believe me but it sounds like you guys are just trying to talk down to people on these forums.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] AlchemicalVibrations:
I've uploaded a screenshot of the Verizon Note 4 Lollipop upgrade instructions PDF. Should you feel the need to acquire a copy for technical verification, you may find it under the downloads section for the Note 4 on Verizon's site.

Key point of interest: in the screenshot, I've taken the liberty of circling as well as providing arrows to the TECHNICAL explanation that you seek. Should you truly desire the code for it, VZW is only a phone call away.

Might I, for the sake of entertainment purposes, spoonfeed anything else?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cb2000a:
How do I decline the update? I want to stay on 4.4.4. On Verizon...and phone is prompting for an update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Chuck_IV:
Contrary to what others have said, no it wasn't. When I got the phone, I was able to completely remove the version provided and was able to install a prior version of Facebook(version 7) that still allowed the Most Recent to be set as the default.

With Lollipop, it's now a system app and I am stuck with the crap newer version where Facebook refuses to listen to their users and forces the Top Stories to be the default.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
I only had 3GB free storage already, but installed a few more of my games to get the storage at 1GB. This prevents the update prompt, since not enough space to force download it.

Draconian, but effective.

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I have a bunch of Gameloft games and the GTA games. Easily fills space and they can't go on sd storage. My device is already fast and great battery life. I have no fluidity issues with the Note 4.

Your choice and mine. I choose not to and happy for it, just as you appear to be. You have less app usage, hence no storage concern. Fine.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mobalized:
Is anyone else not seeing an amount of time since unplugged under battery? After about 3 minutes from unplugging the charger it goes from displaying a time on battery to "usage since fully charged".
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] thegipper:
I noticed that too.

Well since it has been several days now and the battery life is still not as good as it used to be, it should have had more than enough time to "settle in".

I've tried rebooting and making sure nothing is running in the back ground. The only complaint I have with Lollipop so far is the battery life is definitely not as good. I have only 50 minutes of on screen time (unplugged for about 3.5hours) and its already at 79%. I would still be near 90% when I was on KK.

Hopefully someone can figure out why or what we can do about it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
Based on your figures, unless you were rocking 9 to 10 hours SOT, you might be remembering things more favorably than they actually were.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] thegipper:
Could be.

I'll have to check the screen shots that I took a few weeks ago, I may have exaggerated a bit but it is definitely not as good.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] thevance1:
Hey Alc vibrations, I like how someone finally shut those "battery settling in" skeptic guys down. Pretty lame how they were trying to put this guy on blast and talk bad about the battery life after one day. I rarely post anything here but I had to chime in. Good job posting this with the dummy proof highlights and arrows. I don't know EXACTLY what the phone does when it's settling in, could be magic for all I know, but I know after a few years of flashing new roms and getting updates, that's just what happens. A few battery cycles usually settles it in. I thought that was pretty much common knowledge. I was trying to get info on the update here but kept seeing this pissing contest about who's smarter and knows more about Android. For the record, they DO take time to settle in. It just works that way. How's it written in the code you ask? Technical explanation? Call Verizon. I love it. How's the update btw?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] AtlAndroid:
What is the significance of the sections highlighted in blue versus those in green? :confused:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TabGuy:
I looked at QuickClick but the list of permissions need is more than a page long. Not sure why a flashlight app needs to know so much about me and my activities.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ebrinkis:
I could be (and probably am) wrong, but I believe the issue is not the battery itself, but the battery statistics that tell you / predict how long the battery lasts. Every new ROM, and also new battery (like a zerolemon) has different overheads and charge capabilities. When you change Roms or batteries, the "settle in time" is the time it takes for the battery stats function to run statistics on how fast or slowly your battery drains under the new conditions in your specific phone under your usage patterns. It starts at a worst case scenario and then fine tunes its predictions as time goes by. In the beginning, it shows lower battery predictions to guarantee you don't run out, then refines them as it gets more data. It is therefore, not the battery itself that doesn't last as long, it is the battery stats that are over conservatively calculated initially. This is also why when you get an extended battery, you need to clear the Battery stats so that it can more quickly give you useful and accurate reports of your battery life.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mark.Y:
This lollipop sucks. Battery drain, screen won't shut off when I'm on the phone. Just a bunch of little junk
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] combatstang:
On lockscreen, top left it now says "Verizon Wireless". Before it had the missed calls and other notifications.

Anyways to change this?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Quick click does a lot more than handle a button press flashlight. It can do calling, dictaphone, photographs, video, you can assign a ton of different button press commands. ..so of course, it needs the permissions for those controls. Take a look at all the functions you can use it to control before dismissing it so quickly. I Google it some, and many recommend it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JOSHSKORN:
adb error // Culprit - Bluestacks

I'm just here to share information on my experience trying to upgrade to Lollipop.

Previously, I'd followed a guide to Disable Knox and OTAs. Obviously because I'd done this, I was unable to see, let alone, get any system updates. I tried editing the Unblock script to only unblock OTAs, it would not run. I tried the Debloater tool to unblock everything I'd blocked. No luck. In either case, I kept getting error messages.

Apparently sometime in between me running the initial script to block Knox and OTAs, I'd installed Bluestacks. My only reason for installing this, was to run Android apps on my PC. Just out of dumb luck, I'd run my Services (Start->Run>services.msc), and had stopped everything associated with Bluestacks. In fact, I'd set them to start Manually. This for whatever reason, fixed the problem, and I was able to use the Debloater tool to unblock everything, run the update, and as of a few minutes ago, I'm now on Lollipop. I was holding out for root, but I gave up, considering it was confirmed that you CAN rollback to KitKat, if necessary.

After updating, I got some Google Services error. After updating my apps, this error appears to have gone away.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Stryke_the_Orc:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
I noticed that screen rotation is still locked per application, but you can easily install several different screen rotation apps in the app store to force anything to rotate.

I use flipboard a lot, and prefer to read some articles landscape.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mariofu7:
Instala without OTA?

Is there any way to update my phone without using the OTA download? Directly from my computer or any other way. I'm not using a verizon sim card so my phone won't let me download the update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] :
I believe you can update by downloading these two updates and copying them to your extSD card. Once you do that enter recovery mode and flash update 1 and follow the prompts. Then enter recovery again and flash the 2nd. These are the official updates I downloaded a few days ago.

Update 1

Update 2

EDIT: The full Odin file is here if you want to do that instead.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mariofu7:
Thanks! :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
Congrats. You cracked it. Since theres no solution i guess you just have to flash back to kk. I easily get 48 hour sot.

EDIT: Guys this and the post below are a pithy remark toward a member who felt it'd be productive to attack other members because his or her battery life was less than expected. They don't make sense because the other member's post have been removed by a mod. Please don't take this post or the one below seriously. =)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
Don't worry. If you didn't understand that the only solution is flashing back to kitkat while performing the sacred battery rites nothing can be done. I can't explain any further in this thread, lest it be derailed into oblivion, but don't worry. I know you count on us, so my team will be developing a kitkat battery guide by this weekend. I'll be sure to send it out for testing before then. :eek::eek:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] AlchemicalVibrations:
Okay dude. Dig around XDA until you find yourself the answers you are looking for. The "settling in" information is on the forums and I'm not digging for links on your behalf. However, you should be past that stage. If Media Scanner is not your chief battery consumer (went through hell fixing it when I first got the note 4) then I would be inclined to recommend basic battery saving procedures such as: if your not using things like Bluetooth, NFC, location then turn them off. Also, go through your apps and turn off/uninstall what you don't need and bloatware. Sync settings can be a culprit too. If you don't ever use some sync things like google photos or gear fit etc then turn it off. I've been through battery problems and they suck. Good luck. PM me if need be but ONLY if you are looking to diagnose and fix the issue.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] iballen93:
I'm also wondering why they've done this. I have to unlock the phone to see which notifications I have.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The Sim:
Still worse battery life than kitkat

I've been running lollipop since last weekend and the battery life is still noticeably worse than 4.4.4. As I posted a few days ago, this seems to be primarily due to the fact that kswapd0 system swapper is running significantly hotter and more frequently than ever before. Using Gsam Battery app I see that while my usage used to be around 15-20%/hr under my normal use, it now runs 25-40%/hr for the same use! Some people won't notice it as much, depending on their usage patterns. And given that factory reset haven't actually helped for various people, I doubt there is anything that can be done about this, other than wait for a firmware upgrade to hopefully fix it.

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The new notification scheme is not actually an improvement, imo. I find little to recommend lollipop as being noticeably improved over kitkat in any way, and if anyone is reading this who hasn't yet upgraded their phone, I would strongly recommend holding off as long as possible.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bumperjeep:
Bad Battery

I really like all of the improvements of Lollipop. The phone feels sleeker and is more responsive.

However, my battery is terrible. 75% with the Screen on for an hour. Used to have much better battery life. Obviously I'm doing all the usual tricks to save battery - turn off unused radios - 15 second screen time out. I even read a thread that said physically pull the battery out. Tried that. Doesn't seem to help. The attached screenshot is my results after pulling out the battery last night.

All that I'm left to do is a factory reset, see if that works and then decide whether to flash back to KitKat.

I flashed on Monday night- so there should have been enough time for the battery to settle in, right?

Any suggestions would be really great!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] BizzLeonDaCouch:
Look at your awake vs screen on time.. Your phone was awake nearly the entire time you have your screen off.. Try clearing the cache and data on play services and play store, then reboot... If you still have the same issues, it could be an app not going to sleep
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mray99:
Has everyone gotten the lollipop update?

I'm in U.S., east coast, and still haven't seen the update coming around via OTA. I'm new to the Note 4, just got it about a week ago. You should be able to get the lollipop update by going to Settings/System Updates/Check for new software update, correct?

I'm on Page Plus which is on the Verizon Network. I'm wondering if it's going to mvno's a bit more slowly???

Anyway, still looking forward to this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JOSHSKORN:
What is the most efficient way of resetting my phone (FDR)? I remember something on my old DROID RAZR MAXX about doing it before the OS loaded, but I'm not sure how to do this on the Note 4.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
48 hours screen on time..... riiiight. Did you mean screen Off time?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stillthisguy:
Anyone try flashing the NJ5 modem on the lollipop update? Does it work? I rolled back to KK before trying as battery life and the modem were not as good for me on lollipop.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
It was a nicer than I would have like way of telling a member who was attacking myself and another because he was disappointed with his phones battery life (makes sense, right?) to go screw off. But, without his posts for context, it doesn't make much sense!

I've edited it to make that clear. Also look at the next post if you had doubts. :P

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Power+Home+volume up at boot should take you to recovery. Also 'reboot recovery' in adb. You should be able to factory wipe from there.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] thegipper:
The battery life has still not improved after installing Lollipop. It is not terrible per say, but it is definitely not as good as when I was on KK (maybe 15-20% worse based on some previous screenshots I took a couple months ago).

And now today my phone's radio decided to act up today. People could call me, I could call others, but no one could hear me or it would be all choppy. I could occasionally hear them but only for a brief period of time. Rebooted, pulled battery and wiped cache but nothing fixed it. Signal strength was good (4 bars) in an area I have never had issue with. All of a sudden now, it seems to be ok again??

I have had some other minor glitches like the camera freezing after taking a picture and going to review it. It will eventually unfreeze after about 10 seconds. I'm not positive this is because of Lollipop, I'm starting to think I may have a bad phone. My text messages fail also at home all the time even though my wife has the exact same phone and has never had one fail. It switches all the time between 3g/4g which makes the messages fail.

I'm at the point now where I am going to factory reset which I haven't done since I bought it. If that doesn't fix my problems I'll be calling Verizon and having them replace my phone.

Thoughts?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] hazedabeast:
Is anyone else experiencing intense lag on the new lollipop update?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bumperjeep:
Thanks for getting back to me. I just tried that. There wasn't much data in the Cache only about 128KB.. I'll post another screen shot when I have more usage.

This screenshot is interesting too. I had airplane mode on while sleeping and then it free falls when I turned my radio back on around 730 AM this morning. SOT = just under two hours.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Starphish:
Did not have a break in period when I got the phone. It had nothing to learn, and battery performance was excellent. Lolli is not right. Samsung blew it.

BTW, my nex7 had no learning issues moving to lolli... it just worked. And yes, I've seen the battery note, but what I'm seeing on the note is far beyond "optimization". This is a wreck, and battery is just a small part of the mess. Why this "upgrade" dropped so late, and yet apparently didn't learn from all the previous upgrades is puzzling. Sammy is usually better than this.