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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] LifeAsADroid:
I totally agree with you, it's not for everyone. Everyone is welcome to try (at their own risk), but it's not a "push the magic button" method. Some like the fact that with a little elbow (and finger) grease they can finally get root on a device that was believed so locked down as to never allow root. Some are intimidated by the process of having to do some modding/coding/whatever and would rather wait for an easier (push a magic button) method. Both choices are A-ok in my book.

My problem is with the people who think paying a dev is outrageous, no matter what they are paying for or how much work it is going to be on their end once they get hold of the software after forking over their cash. Someone doesn't want to pay, fine. No need to go out on a soapbox and proclaim your holy testament to the world that so-and-so dev is ridiculous for charging for their work.

Like was said a few posts back, devs that release their sh!+ for free, it's greatly appreciated. Devs that charge for their hard work, I commend you all for being capitalistic in this society.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] this_is_nascar:
I understand your points.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Munkee915:
I had no problem paying for it. I have used free root exploits many times in the past. I tried to donate for most of them (but haven't always) so I see no problem with kicking some money to the dev for his work.

As for those complaining about not getting free root or "half-root". You've gone 5+ months without ANY root. You are free to go along your merry way and ignore this root. At this point it shouldn't make a difference in your life. You should have done some research when you bought your phone. Historically, Moto phones have been difficult to root/unlock. I'm sure you had other choices at your time of purchase. If root meant that much to you, you should have got the M8 or some other phone with "full root".

As far as "half-root", I understand where people are coming from, but it still gives us root functionality, even if we dont have system write ability. For instance, I am now able to run ARU-R and Greenify in root mode. This alone was worth the price for me. Others have had success w/ Ti backup which is also great. My next step is to start testing some of the advanced Tasker functions, but I dont see why they shouldnt work with this "half-root". So far it does most of everything I needed it for so you'll see no complaints from me.

People need to understand that this is a huge step forward from where we were just a week or 2 ago. And appreciate that maiko1 didnt have to spend his time finding and developing an exploit for us, let alone release it in a nicely packaged tool. Whether you thing WP root is worth $20 is going to vary based on individual needs. Why not instead just be greatful we've come this far and if you want to save your $20 then just keep holding out for whatever else this may open down the road.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Slartibartfast_:
I agree with this approach but your earlier comments were attacking people who didn't object to paying for root out of principal but basically object to paying for what's available right now, as it doesn't give them what they're looking for.

I haven't paid for MOFO yet because it doesn't give me what I'm looking for, which is the ability to install, update and change xposed packages, adaway, etc without having to build and flash a new image every time. I don't have the skills OR the time to do that. I'll be more than happy to pay the $25 I pledged in the root bounty thread if I can get a solution that works for ME.

Like I said, I'm all for devs getting paid to do this, and to be honest, when I read the post about MOFO (before I knew exactly how it worked and what the limitations were), I was relieved that they built the payment mechanism into the solution instead of having to PM hundreds of users and ask for their bounty pledge or for donations on the forum. Moreover, I have a lot of appreciation and respect to people who do these things, whether they charge for it or not. I get all sweaty every time I flash a new ROM, I can't even imagine how much work it is to find these exploits and explore using them for our advantage. It's just that this solution isn't for everyone, at least the way it is now.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] kwyrt:
Here is how I see it. Maiko1 made a product. This product does exactly what it is designed and advertised to do. Unfortunately, it’s not quite what I’m looking for. If I’m looking for a new car, and I want a car with a sun roof, and someone offers to sell me a car without a sun roof, well, I can decide whether I want to forego that feature and buy that car, or hold off in the hopes that a car with a sunroof will become available. No offense to the dude who made the car without a sunroof at all. I appreciate all the work he put in. It’s just not what I’m looking for. Now, if someone comes along and figures out a way to add a sunroof to the car (adaway, greenify, etc.), I may reconsider and purchase it. But as of now, I don’t really see how those root apps will function without WP off. Don’t they need to be able to write things to the system partition to function properly? I could be wrong on that and if so someone please explain how these root apps will work with the current root option. Just my 2 cents.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] JGoldz75:
Perhaps my situation is a little different than most:

I purchased my first droid turbo the morning it came out at my local Verizon store from a friend who had an extra upgrade. I paid a little over $300 for it after taxes. The phone was great, the processor was powerful, and the battery was superb (although not quite 48 hours with my use). As an unlimited data user on Verizon, the lack of tethering for free got to me, and I decided to sell the 64GB beauty for a sound 550$ to pull in a nice little profit.

Fast forward a couple months:

Scanning the droid forums every now and then, I found a post that stated that root was being explored on the turbo. Many android news websites started reporting it and I was beginning to hate my M7 because of it's consistently inconsistent battery life. So what did I do? On March 22nd, I purchased another Turbo for $450; only because I knew it was getting root. And wouldn't luck have it, that the phone arrived in my mailbox yesterday afternoon just hours before the root method was released.

So I am technically INCLINED, but I would not consider myself technically knowledgeable or resilient in regards to system images. With that being said, I don't really trust myself to futz around with my brand spanking new droid turbo since I have no idea what I would do if something goes wrong. (Murphy's Law) I purchased a phone under the notion of "Root is coming to the Turbo!"; which it did! This is 100% undoubtedly a sufficient method of obtaining root. It just wasn't all that I was expecting; and I do have a bad taste left in my mouth only because I purchased this phone thinking I would be getting what I consider to be "full root".

Now,

Am I blaming the developer in ANY way? Absolutely not. His work is fully appreciated on my end.

Do I think this is a huge step for the Turbo development community? Of course!

Will this root method and usage be worth $20 for some people, but not for others? Yes.

Would I recommend this specific root method to any of my friends here at home? Unfortunately, no.

Look, if a dev wants to collect on their work, then by god let them do it! If I poured my time into an exploit such as this, you can be damn sure that I would ask for some capital in return. But would I charge $20? I honestly don't think I would.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] spinach.chin:
Here's the thing - why go 90% there, and not 100%? There's a technical reason for that, obviously, and if a talented developer like the one that created Mofo can't do it (or doesn't think it's worth the time), a hack, weekend-warrior tinkerer like myself certainly can't. Not without putting in many hours to educate myself on all the inner workings of Android, and most guys who want to root probably can't really devote that kind of time and/or resources to it.

Are you saying that you're not the slightest bit disappointed that this isn't an easy, plug-n-chug solution?

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Unfortunately, if you read on, you'll see it was only temporary, makes everything unstable, and doesn't survive reboot.

If WP off was as simple as downloading an app from the Play store, I'm thinking the developer could have figured out how to do it and integrate it into Mofo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] evastonian:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59691816

It does survive soft reboot. So we can install xposed, and update SU binaries. It automates mounting as R/W after the kernel. So this looks like a solution.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] jntdroid:
I'd like to donate to him just for pushing all of this forward, but I'm not seeing where that's possible without buying the tool, which I'm not interested in in its current state (plus I don't have my new Turbo yet).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
Its just writing to ram. Makes the phone unstable. Once you reboot, nothing. Not a solution not even a band-aid fix to a bigger problem.

I fully support the dev's with what they have released, for what its costs, and what it does. It is a step in the right direction. And I truly believe we eventually have more functionality if that be bootloader unlock or disabled write protection. Basically everyone needs to be thankful for what we do have. I know alot of devs said they wouldn't even touch this device.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Munkee915:
I undertand where you're coming from. Now here's the thing, in you're situation I assume you can still return or exchange your phone. Without getting into the fallacy of ordering a phone based on the expectation of something that wasnt released yet, you are still fortunate enough that you can return the phone because the root released was not what you expected. Really, it's no harm no foul. Or at the least exchange it for one that you know has "full-root" now that you are that much wiser for this experience.

As for recommending to your friends, I feel you should adjust that based on needs like you said earlier. To say the recommendation is a blanket "No" is kind of unfair. You should ask your friend "What do you need root for?" "I want to run ARU-R" (As was my case), then yes, you can recommend the root as it sounds like it will do exactly what he wants. If he says he wants to install Xposed then you can tell him no. It's really a case by case basis.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] spinach.chin:
I'm actually perfectly fine with my Turbo the way it is. If I never root it, I'm OK with that. Would I prefer root? Sure, but not everyone's a developer, and I'm not willing to go through the extra steps to get the few things I'd like to have on my phone working (Adaway and such). Again, perfectly OK with that.

However, you make it sound like people are not entitled to criticize a PAID product. He's done this for money, not "for the challenge" or "for the good of the community". If people think it's half-baked, they're entitled to say so, and this thread was apparently created SPECIFICALLY to address that, which is, I think, a legit discussion to have.

Would you rather have had a complete, one-click solution, or what we have now?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Munkee915:
People have every right to criticize a paid product...IF THEY PAID FOR IT. If the app did not work as promised, or at all. Criticize away. The app does nothing more or less than what he said it would. Gives us root but does not remove WP. That is what I paid for, that is what I got. If you are unwilling to pay for it, then move along.

And of course he did it for the money. That was the very reason for the bounty thread in the first place. Entice someone to root our device for a hefty sum of money. Only difference is this way the dev is ensuring he gets his due rather than hunt down everyone on a 5 month old bounty.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] evastonian:
What about this?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59703680
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Munkee915:
It really isnt that hard. It's not 1 click easy, but certainly not the most complicate method I've used. I'm not a dev or expert and I did it in about 20 min and thats including installing python. Theres a video by RootJunky that shows the whole process in about 14 minutes. If you dont want to take the time to learn something in 15 minutes, I could see why he calls that lazy.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
Its still doing the same thing, you are truly not writing to the system unless it survives a reboot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] evastonian:
Yeah but I mean as long as we aren't rebooting couldn't we call this like, a temp. fix/solution? I mean it works and is stable. I think it's success until we get a perm. fix.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] pacman420:
This is pretty much where I stand on it. I agree that this is a huge step forward, and the devs should be congratulated on hitting this milestone. The problem, as I see it, is that they didn't advertise the fact that r/w access isn't implemented, negating the possibility for many rooted apps to make use of this exploit. I think a lot of people would have held back their purchase had they known that just because the phone has su, it doesn't mean you can do all the things with it can traditionally be done with a rooted device. It's not really a "root" exploit, it's a system-image-flashing exploit. The fact that we can do that now is a significant step towards the feature set we were all hoping to see, but, the truth is that it's not quite there yet, and the devs did not fairly advertise that limitation before putting a price tag on it. I am 100% for compensating the developers for their work. I've been flashing custom roms since the easily exploitable days of iPaq-generation Windows Mobile devices, and back then there wasn't a whole lot of effort that had to be put into exploiting those devices. Nowadays, with phone developers getting smarter about security, implementations of things like SELinux, etc, it's a lot harder to find an exploit and make that exploit available easily to the masses. That's where the cost of doing the work deserves compensation. That said, I think this would have been better received by folks making the purchase if the limitations of the current-state of this exploit were directly communicated.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ntxct:
They were though. The Mofo post clearly stated it the system was RO. The video also said it.

Where I stand, anyone upset with it based on assuming it was RW, simply didn't do their homework on what was provided.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] pacman420:
Hrm, I don't think the original post mentioned that. It was updated with an FAQ today that talks about the limitations, but, the original post is quoted below it and there's no mention of it. I don't remember hearing it in the video either, but would have to rewatch to be sure. That said, I think $20 is a fair price, given that we have the ability to flash system images now, I just think the people who are unhappy with their purchase are probably unhappy because there wasn't enough upfront communication about what the exploit does and doesn't do.

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Alright I take that back, there is a sentence in the OP that says it doesn't disable write protection. So my next comment would be that I don't think a lot of people understood the implications of that. And you're right, it means they didn't do their homework...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ntxct:
Oh I get where you're coming from.

I just happen to have the benefit of working from home and in front of a computer so Ive spent the past two weeks refreshing this forum. I had the turbo root app... and once rootjunky said a video was coming the next day I was refreshing their youtube channel every dozen mins or so. I saw the video go live, came here and read the thread. I can assure you, I knew what my 20 was getting and that it was addressed in the original unedited post.

However I also know about how exciting a new root is, (this isnt my first mostly locked down phone) and I've rushed through a lot of guides and tutorials missing information here or there in the excitement. I could easily see someone doing that and I would feel burned, but If I were them Id take that internally and learn for the next time.

EDIT:

And now I see you're edit.. one of those days..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] spinach.chin:
Anyone has the right to criticize. If they bought it and it doesn't do what it says on the tin, they have a right to do more than criticize. Charging for your work moves this into the realm of commerce, and out of the realm of "something you do on the side for fun".
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Munkee915:
I guess that's your opinion. In my opinion, if you have no first hand experience with the product, your critique is moot. I see it as the same thing as people who say a movie is stupid or boring but have never seen it, or that a food gross but have never tried it. And I dont recall seeing a post where maiko1 said he was doing this for fun. He saw a group with a need. He filled that need. He's charging for it. Yes, it's business. It's good business. I'm a network admin and a gear head. I build PCs for fun. I work on my car and bikes for fun. But if someone else asked me to fix their computer or rebuild their engine, I'm charging for it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
Heads up the turbo's bootloader continues to say modified even after you reflash back to stock.. This could be a deciding factor for some.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Coronado is dead:
Just like all other Motos, thank you for confirming :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
This is my first Moto device since the OG droid, so I wouldn't know. Guess I'm screwed for trading in my device.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Coronado is dead:
I'd be more worried about Motorola support since past phone have called that information home to Moto (but I believe they don't hold it against you). Verizon, however, never checks that for a trade in.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
My concern is it is such a new device. They will send it back to Moto to be refurbished. Then they will realize it was modified then contact verizon, having them bill me for the device since it will not be able to be used as a certified used replacement.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Coronado is dead:
I wouldn't worry about that. They really look for physical damage, I don't think they are really going to look for that. Heck, back in the Droid X days some people got refurbs that said they had been rooted in the past.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
At that time did the Droid X leave a notification in the system about the status.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Coronado is dead:
It did in the recovery, yes. qe 0/0 was unrooted, qe 1/1 was rooted, and qe 0/1 was rooted in the past.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
I got it back to official.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Coronado is dead:
Can you go to the bootloader, reboot to recovery, and see if it says qe 0/0 at the bottom?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Harry44:
0/1 Sadly
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] janitorjohnson:
I like to root to run custom Roms, change visual aesthetics with the os and overall customize stuff. I would probably have already forked over the $20 but my phone fell on its face yesterday and now I'm waiting for my replacement. Maybe by the time I get it there will be some more development to try out.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Helius_Aphelion:
Absolutely worth the $20.

Having that feeling of control that root provides, even if not "Full" , is wonderful.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] mikera67:
I paid the $20, but haven't "rooted" yet. In my opinion, it's worth the money. Was disappointed greatly that it's not what we normally get with root, can't deny that. I'm a geek and know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to tackle making my own image with the settings I want, which is the reason I and most of us here wanted in the first place. I did see and read about the write protection limitations, not knowing fully what that meant. To be fair and honest, it is a bit misleading, what most of us think root is, this is totally different, yes it opens the door for further development, but not the root we are used to on different phones, I'm not even totally sure what this does for you besides allowing flashing an image file, if you don't do that, this really does nothing else that I'm aware of.

Before you jump all over me,I did already support by purchasing this, just choosing to wait for smarter users then me to allow me to get my phone the way I want it. People are allowed their opinions, and I do feel like it wasn't explained better.

I do think this gets the ball rolling for the turbo, won't be buying another locked up device if possible
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] pacman420:
So the purpose of my post was to offer an explanation of why some people are unhappy with the purchase, not to argue one way or the other. I'm not saying either side is right, just was attempting to present a possible justification.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Onismurai:
Should wait for 5.1 before pulling the trigger :rolleyes:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] windraver:
Totally worth it because one hack opens the door to another hack.

In QA(Quality Assurance) we call it a bug of a bug. Open one door and you'll find something else easier to break :)

Correct me if I am wrong but the way sunshine worked was that it was able to unlock AFTER you had temproot. That temporary root is like our paid moforoot. For 20 bucks, its worth it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] JulesJam:
What does the software status modified mean? Does it mean the phone had been rooted?

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:D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] LifeAsADroid:
0/0 is a virgin phone, 1/1 is a rooted phone, 0/1 is a violated phone (been rooted and then unrooted).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Coronado is dead:
It saying the system is unofficial on the bootloader screen means it is currently modified. The qe 0/0, 0/1, 1/1 in the recovery can show if it is currently rooted, or if it has been rooted in the past.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Gandalf:
THREAD CLEANED

Right...

I just removed over 100 posts of complete and utter garbage. Due to the obscene nature of this thread (the glorious off-topic discussions that happened for 6-8 pages straight), and the numerous posts that probably should have received infractions, I'm going to leave you with this:

THE NEXT OFF-TOPIC or RULE-BREAKING POST

WILL

RECEIVE AN INFRACTION. NO EXCEPTIONS.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Droidavie:
Hmmm I hope we're able to find a back door root, so we can fiddle around without being caught if we choose to sell our devices back to Verizon or need tech support

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