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[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
I understand many people would prefer using and judging with Auto Mode. However, for a fair and complete review, we certainly wanna know how "it normally performs" and "the best it can perform", just like us - we sure can make a simple quick lunch for basic need and a serious 5-course dinner when you wanna persuade a gal to stay overnight.

It will be great if there are:

1. Auto shots, nothing more.

2. Auto shots, with manual WB and Image Adjustments

3. Full Manual shots

All using tripod and timer to eliminate external factors.

Sorry for being demanding coz I don't have an M9 on hand...
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
right the M7 is sitting right next to the M9, it's like day and night

moving on: I posted this in the other thread, for those who missed it

HTC One M9 Low Light - Camera Caps: it does great in low light, just bring it under control

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[One (M9) General] nebulaoperator:
Thanks :) I don't' have M9 next to me it's hard to tell. But I take your word for reliable.
[One (M9) General] epsix:
I would love to buy Samsung again, currently using M8. But damned....TW is killing me.:)
[One (M9) General] nebulaoperator:
TW is epicly unapealing
[One (M9) General] ledvedder:
This camera is pitiful compared to the LG G2 I had. And the editing software is horrible. Very disappointing.
[One (M9) General] gmfeny:
I haven't updated mine yet but this camera is pitiful compared to the m7. Granted all my pics were low light in my house but all my pics on my m7 came out way better.
[One (M9) General] SPreston2001:
TW is pretty bad but to be fair they're supposedly releasing a updated version that's less bloated and more streamlined. I've been using my N4 for about a month and while its not sense, it does have a lot of neat tricks about it.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
its very funny to compare a low light killer with a 20MP tiny pixel sensor, HTC wasn't lying to you when they said a big pixel is needed for low light

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[One (M9) General] VictorC:
And yet some manage to achieve similar or better results with tiny pixel sensors ...

HTC One M7 - 4 "Ultrapixels"

Samsung Galaxy S6 - 16 Megapixels
[One (M9) General] th3:
It's not funny, it's basic technology comparison. S6 and iP6+ do far better. Don't need your "low light killers'.

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[One (M9) General] davidtm0:
Well, for those of us who are willing to get under the hood a little, we REALLY appreciate hamdir's efforts. I love the audio on this phone, and if these one-time tweaks for a new Custom Camera in the settings can help the pix, then great!

Thank you for this info, hamdir!
[One (M9) General] dratsablive:
What I want to know, what beers were you drinking?
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
^^^ :)

Some romanian beers and some imports. The one in the brown bottles is called "Stejar" (transl. "Oak) and the draft one is called "Ursus" (a named derived from the word "Urs" which means bear )

The import beers are Grolsch (Dutch beer): the green swing-top bottle is a lager and the other ones with blueish label are "Weizen" (wheat beers).

:good:
[One (M9) General] Stephen:
Thread cleaned. Time to get back on topic.
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
Just got my hands on a demo unit in store. Aside from iso/size caps and -1 sharpness, I also prefer +0.5 to contrast and saturation too. HDR with auto focus is indeed performing good, better than M8 imho. The effect of Large → Medium is way more noticeable than Medium → Small.

I do realized that the actual pic is having like 1/4 second delay after the shot was taken, not sure if it is caused by the anti shake code or hardware problem, but it was always there in earlier models of HTC, and even longer delay. I guess this is why people cannot get a good shot easily because they always move right after they pressed the button, but I just get used to it.

I would say with correct settings, it is ready to take out and shoot away, except switching to HDR.
[One (M9) General] th3:
How long did you have with it to learn all that?

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[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
You mean the delay? No long as it was mentioned a few times here and so I specifically paid attention to this.

Well, I would like to clarify that this delay exists on most if not all previous HTC phones, and the delay shortened generation after generation, but its still there. If you are ok with M7 M8 then you should have no problem with M9.

I have also done another test specifically on Large vs Medium size. I capped AutoISO200, let the phone rest still on its stand (its like 15cm tall) and took pics using 5 second timer. It is surprisingly that both shots were extremely similar, but yes, if you take pics with bare hands Medium always get better shots.

So my recommendation is similar to [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]'s: ISO200, -1 sharpness, Medium size. Adjust WB/Contrast/Saturation according to situation and personal taste.
[One (M9) General] slannmage:
HTCs Camera software SUCKS!

It is lowering the brightness but boosting the ISO... why? The compression is poor... again why? Every picture has the sharpness turned up like mad but is coming our blurry and not sharp at all! I'm no camera expert but it doesn't take OIS to take a good picture, this is the first one I've used where it is having issues in whatever software is in charge of making sure the picture is being taken still. Maybe they're having focusing issues? The video struggles to focus at lot...

Terrible.
[One (M9) General] th3:
Ah OK. ISO 200 and so on we all use anyway. It takes a tiny bit of playing to see this.

But as for large to medium: I can't reproduce what any gain, nor can I see a logical explanation for it. I've took over 20 shots now showing no difference.
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
I guess down sampling can lower the effect caused by the anti-shake or unstable hands' blur; it does little under perfect situation... well, more tests needed to be carried out to prove this.
[One (M9) General] th3:
It can minimize blur, yes, but in optics, not noise... As each well output is still collecting the same electron level, and all you are doing is resizing the large image. The phone is still shooting in large in all instances.

I shot some landscape... For testing, and the results are surprising.
[One (M9) General] conceptics:
I've had my M9 now since 2 weeks, and before that, I had an M8, that I used since it's release in 2014. Before that, I've come from a Samsung Galaxy S3. Long story short; the M8 had a highly criticized camera as well, but IMO, it was a terrific piece of kit. Very responsive and in most daily situations when I would actually take some shots, it did a very very good job. It may not have been high resolution, but lighting and general colours of the pictures were always very good. Some may have disliked the oversaturated look in daylight shots, but here as well, the EV settings usually helped quite a lot to correct them.

After using my M9 now for 2 weeks I have to sadly say that the camera seems to be a huge step back. I did some back to back indoor (daytime/cloudy) shots this weekend and the M8 was more responsive and the colours better. The M9 is less vibrant and washed out. It may have more pixels, but this doesn't count for much IMO. There is also one huge flaw so far; Dark shots with flash enabled; Click on the screen to focus, flash goes on to get the camera to focus, then you click to take the shot and guess what; the M9 refocuses again (to some arbitrary spot) and only then takes the picture - the result being an unusable picture with the wrong focus point.

As a very happy M8 owner, I'm very disappointed with the new camera. I never expected the perfect camera in this one, but at the very least expected something that would at least be on par with what they delievered a year earlier. Mega pixels might be good to some, but I'd argue for most people who take pictures on phones, the aim is to take quick captures of things you want to share; And then share them over whatsapp or what most people use. The result being that that 16-20Mpixel shot, is greatly reduced to a subHD resolution shot with high compression. In that sense, the M8's camera with fewer pixels was brilliant.

I really hope they can improve the quality of the camera somewhat, because so far, it's a huge step back. People in here who are trying to catch the perfect shot on a M9 simply to prove that it's capable are missing the point. Yes, it can deliever great shots, just like any phone outthere - but if 9 out of 10 tries are rubbish, even the occasional perfect shot doesn't make it such a great deal.

And don't get me started on the new photo-editor / gallery app. They made a huge step back there too. What was a nice simplified design before is now rather overcomplicated app where you might be able to do more, but essential touch ups are harder to get to. And there are no more custom filters you can create.
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
That doesn't sound good :(
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
You wrote 5 paragraphs with nothing related to the shutter lag I mentioned but again repeated what and how people took down M9 since 1st March.

We made progress here on how to take better shots with the least effort, and you simply skipped all them and rewrote what all moderator cleaned.

If you really own an M9 why don't you show some samples to discuss your findings rather than simply bashing?

Any further non constructive discussion replied will be reported to moderators at once.
[One (M9) General] conceptics:
Sorry Albert,

Indeed, I may have misread your post (I missed the first one), so my post was inaccurate in what I was replying to. I'll edit it for clarification.

On the topic of delay; You are probably right; I think the delay (1/4 of a second) is pretty identical on the M8 i frequently used, so to the M8, any slight delay is probably not noticable. It wasn't to me, if that helps.

On the other points I raised, they are an accurate description on how I feel towards the M9 camera so far. Not particularly to bash, but more to vent a little frustration over the definate weak point of an otherwise flawless phone. From what I understand, the M8 camera was highly criticized over its low resolution, but the pictures it did take at that resolution IMO were very good (sans perhaps the over-saturation in bright conditions). The frustration is directed at HTC, who I think had an easy job on fixing some of the complaints regarding the M8 camera. My impression so far is that instead of fixing what little was wrong with the camera, they have done a U-turn and made a big step backwards. I didn't come here to post samples, because this would be the wrong topic to do so (this is on camera discussion; i believe there is another topic for sample pictures). As a M8 owner who, as I understand will be getting a M9 soon, you may indeed make the same observations once you get yours. I did take note on the image settings you posted in your earlier post (the one I missed) and have made the same adjustments on mine just now. It will be interesting to compare it to the M8 (I passed it on shortly after picking up my M9) when I get a chance.

I have also lowered the resolution on my M9 to SMALL now which is still a ~7.5Mpixel picture, which should be sufficient enough for me.

Also, just to add; I think my point about the re-focus problem with flash enabled may have been redundant. I made this observation last week, but I couldn't replicate it before. There have been a lot of updates coming in through the play-store and I think the camera may have been one of them. It's a good chance it may have been solved/fixed through the latest update.
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
Thanks for your clarification.

In the first place I don't know why there are 2 threads about M9's camera; and since good samples are posting over there, maybe we can post unsatisfied/worst situations/errors shots here so that we can discuss and hopefully come into conclusions on how to avoid them.

It's true HTC always frustrate users. They never make a perfect product - each generation has some stupid flaws. Even they made improvements over older phones they introduce new flaws again and again, noticeable flaws which other brands don't have. I had like 8 HTC phones since Desire and I am quite sure I know their problems more and longer than most people. I called and complained about too much jpg compression since Desire, and see? Nothing they have done. I blamed them for their exceptionally large but easy scratching plastic/glass cover lens and it took them years to use sapphire glass (but still unwilling to reduce the size of the ugly looking big eye lens to a smaller one like Desire 816), instead, they said it is their signature design. What the...

If we keep talk about frustration or flaws that HTC made all the time we will need another forum for that, so let's keep them under control and stay on the topic...
[One (M9) General] conceptics:
I don't necessarely disagree with this, except for perhaps that good pictures or bad pictures don't prove much - so I like this topic as a general concious on what fits, what doesn't. Any hardware is capable of producing great shots. The M9 is no exception. So in that sense, posting excellent pictures or on other end of the scale bad pictures is not going to change that. My post and the criticism was more intended towards potential buyers, perhaps even current M8 users, have not decided either way if they do indeed want to upgrade or not. My observation so far is that from my view and coming directly from a M8, on a practical level, the M8 produced better pictures. Better might be a very subjective word in this context because people might have different priorities. For some, detail is everything and in this specific area, the M9 can produce better shots (that being, in situations where you have a lot of light). In these conditions, you are playing to the key strengths of the M9 and the hardware is well equiped for it. IMO in cloudy, indoor or even night surroundings, the opposite holds true. There, the M8 probably is the better shooter, despite the pictures being relatively low resolution (4Mpixels?).

I guess no one has made proper M8 vs M9 comparison shots, so perhaps I'll be the first to upload some pictures. As I said though, I've passed on my M8, so I don't have it available anytime soon. When I did play around with it over Easter, I was a bit surprised to see how well the M8 faired in direct comparison to the M9. To the point actually, that if I had a choice for everday shooting, I'd take the M8. I also have to say that the M8 (with Lollipop) is still extremely smooth and snappy. It doesn't feel outdated at all, so perhaps the M9 is more for people who are upgrading from an M7 than M8 users.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience with HTC phones. I'm relatively new to HTC as you can see, but the M8 was IMO the best phone I've bought in years. Flawless. No faults. The M9 is pretty close to that - apart from the camera, I cant spot any flaws or things that IMO constitute a step backwards. If anything, perhaps the boomsound speakers which sound different, but only slightly. Oh, and as mentioned, the gallery app / photo-editing tool IMO which is definately a step back. But that can be improved, luckily. The best thing about the M9 though is that the selfie camera is very very good.
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
Towards potential buyers? Hm... If you wanna steer away potential M9 buyers in an M9 forum, what do you call yourself? Is that the reason you are not posting any sample because you are paid to do that and you don't actually own M9 or even M8?

[UPDATED]

I just checked your profile. You were a S3 user who couldn't tolerated its TW and used 3rd party launcher. You showed too much love for Shamesung by finding and using alternatives. It is quite obvious now...
[One (M9) General] conceptics:
I'm finding it highly amusing in what direction this discussion is heading. Since you are unable to dispute a single valid opinion on the experience I've had with the M9 so far, you resort to attacking my persona?

For clarification sake, I'm not attempting to steer away potential buyers - I would hope that requires a little more than some criticism towards what's essentially a single flaw (the camera). I was perhaps under the false assumption that this thread is for actual discussion on the topic of the M9 camera - both good and bad, or plain user experiences. There's also a clear indicator in the topic itself that this topic is NOT for photo samples. So what exactly is it for? So that you, as a yet to be M9 owner, can argue against owners with an actual device on the experience they're having with their device? Sorry to ruin your day, Albert. This is a topic on camera discussion, and given that most M9 potential customers will probably be M7 and M8 owners like myself (and I take it yourself too), I think the outright comparison between these two devices is quite relevant.

PS: Yes, the S3. It was a good device at the time, but TW remains to be one of its flaws (IMO), along with the massive bloatware found on Samsung phones. Which is essentially why I moved on to a M8 last year. As I said previously, the M8 was as perfect as a phone I could wish for; to the point I never had any desire to fiddle with its ROM, so kept it untouched and in its original state (No root). This is also one of the reasons why I never posted on XDA since my S3 days (though I have been lurking the M8 topics every now and then) which is why you can't find any indication within my post history to suggest I was ever a M8 owner. The M9 brought me back, because some of the flaws got me interested to see if anyone else is experiencing similar findings (with possible solutions).
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
[MENTION=2746542]Stephen[/MENTION] I suggest to close this thread since most anti-htc hitters don't dare to bash HTC with loads of quality shots all over the other thread but just beating the dead horse here. Without any photo shots here no discussion can be carried on here and thus this thread is quite meaningless and defeat the whole purpose of this post.
[One (M9) General] th3:
^I disagree completely. Both threads serve their own purpose.

This was originally opened due to OneTwelve arguing tldr posts in every other thread (thread crapping). This thread was for camera discussions and criticism. That includes the photo experience.

The other thread is for Photos only. "post your best pic". It is a fanboy infested thread with a few fans and photographers posting photos. If you wish to post a good capture or for Photoshop tips being stuck with a M9, that's your thread.

But that contains nothing of meaningful discussion, debate or scientific fact. Not a single fact we didn't know since 31st March. And many many tldr posts.
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
I was thinking the same. But for the purpose of discussion, did you see any pics of error/poor shots posted for discussion? Without samples, what do "it performs badly in low light" or "it is terrible using flash" mean? We don't even have all materials for discussion or even debate/argument here! So does this thread serve its purpose? After so many posts and cleans it still lead to nowhere, tell me, TELL ME, what's the point?

Come on, post at least ONE pic with points to discuss not related to human errors or dumb ass user intended/unintended crap shot? POST IT MAN! Dare you post one when many others are posting terrific and respectable samples in the other thread! I fuxking really want something to DISCUSS!
[One (M9) General] conceptics:
I'm not against posting samples, but as I previously already said, the problem with samples is that *anyone* can take a good or a bad shot. If you don't have a reference point, any sample will be hard to quantify. Which is why my post(s) have been exclusively in regards to a M8 vs M9 comparison since that is what I think many people can relate to (since as I said, most M9 buyers will be probably be upgrading from a M8 or an M7) and it's effectively where I've been coming from. Note in that sense that I have never compared my M9 experience with anything other than the M8. My disappointment with the M9 isn't in the knowlege that a [insert Samsung phone] might be better. I'm voicing my opinion as a M8 owner coming to the M9.

In that sense, I'm not here to argue with someone who doesn't even have a M9 yet. It's to A.) supply some personal thoughts on *my* experience with the phone B.) perhaps exchange these findings with other people who have come from a M8 and are making similar observations or have made other different ones, perhaps due to taking pictures in different lighting conditions etc.

The above is very helpful; for one, in learning what conditions are optimaly suited to the M9 camera and two, giving additional information to interested parties who may be wondering if they should upgrade from a M8 (as I have) or if the M9 meets their criteria at all. Which is precisely what a forum should be for; constructive discussion, even if 90% ends up being an exchange of personal [valid] opinions.

PS: I've said it already, but I will again; Once I do get my hands on my former M8 (it's been passed on to a family member), I will take some samples but will probably post them in the samples thread. Until then, I'm perfectly fine with sharing thoughts in a constructive manner. Would be great if you'd do the same; and if you haven't got anything to add on the topic, leave this thread for those that do, instead of playing a wanna-be-mod and derrailing the topic with oh-please-close-this-thread posts. Thanks.
[One (M9) General] ALI 9:
Is it possible that the m9 will have an OIS update ? or is it a hardware related issue ?

and by any chance can a software update help make the low-light htc one m9 camera performance any better at taking pictures/videos ?
[One (M9) General] il buono:
OIS is hardware so nothing can be done about that. Software updates can improve the low light quality, but there's obviously a limit to how much that improvement is since it all falls back to the hardware they're working with.

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[One (M9) General] randombirt:
Dude you're so rude! There are people in that thread showing what the camera is capable of... Not just posting embarrassing photos of a cheese grater on a radiator and claiming science made your piss poor effort so ****e. I cringe virtually every time you post because you come across, to me at least, as offensive. And here's the science ...

This is rude..

"It is a fanboy infested thread"

This also..

"But that contains nothing of meaningful discussion"
[One (M9) General] geoff5093:
There are two threads for a reason. This is for a camera discussion, not to fill up with photos. As someone else said, it depends on the person behind the camera. A good photographer can make a Nexus 4 image look good, while a bad one will make an iPhone 6 look awful.
[One (M9) General] randombirt:
Indeed! As th3 has proven with his efforts.

My comments are solely aimed at how rude this guy is.
[One (M9) General] ijuanp03:
Hi M9 users, can someone tell me how wide the front ultrapixel camera is on the M9? I am both an HTC One M7 and M8 owner and I really find the wide angle front camera of both phones very useful for group pics. I can't find any review comparing the actual field of view of M9 vs M8/M7. I'll be a bit pissed in case this is a step back from the already excellent 5MP cam of the M8.

Thanks.

PS. If someone can also provide information on the FOV of M9 vs M8.

Thank you .:)

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Hi M9 users, can someone tell me how wide the front ultrapixel camera is on the M9? I am both an HTC One M7 and M8 owner and I really find the wide angle front camera of both phones very useful for group pics. I can't find any review comparing the actual field of view of M9 vs M8/M7. I'll be a bit pissed in case this is a step back from the already excellent 5MP cam of the M8.

Thanks.

PS. If someone can also provide information on the FOV of M9 vs M8.

Thank you .:)