yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tarkanakdam:
Hi,

Have noticed this thread from the link to my site.

What is the size limit for the compact flash to Zif adaptor?

regards, Tarkan
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] patrickl:
16GB Ameo (T-Mobile Athena)

Lol, isn't this a coincidence:

Unwired: T-Mobile Germany announces the T-Mobile MDA Ameo 16 GB
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] KiberNav:
Transcend 8GB 1.0" IDE INTERFACE 35 Pin FPC ZIF PATA, 115 EUR

http://interngeheugen.com/prodmem.odb?artcod=15935
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] shortyboy:
wouldnt we just wait for an upgrade since the x7510 has a 16gb flash drive?im sure theyll release an upgrade drive for the previouse versions.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
1" 16Go Flash SSD from TRANSCEND

la reference est TS16GSSD10-M (M => MLC)

aux alentours de 100 USD (60 EUR)

Ciao, ciao

Richard (FR)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] kiliss:
Attention, tu vas te faire remonter les brettelle pour parler en francais (anglais obligatoire), mais bon c ton premier poste, en tous cas merci pour l'info.

Attention, you'll get back scolding for having to speak in French (English required), but good is your first post, in any case thanks for the information
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Janis:
8gb Micro sdhc with usb reader for less than US$80

http://www.antonline.com/p_SanDisk--SDSDQR-8192-A11M--Sandisk-SDSDQR8192A-microSDHC-8GB-_474928.htm

micro-to-mini adpater on ebay for about $3
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
Here's a USA source for one:

http://www.ameri-rack.com/APA-CF18Zm.htm

http://www.ameri-rack.com/assets/APA-CF18Z.jpg

HTH,

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
Cheaper in the USA?

http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=184

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] mw22:
Hi

Can one just disconnect the 8GB HD and that would save power already

Using 4GB SDHC card anyway

How does one diconnect it and leave it in its bay???
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Baenwort:
For disassembly pictures check out:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=357502&page=15

we're working towards replacing it with a SSD but you could just unplug it as that has already been done with no ill effects.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
just to inform you that i expect receive the Transcend 1" 16GO next week

when receive it, i going to replace the microdrive as soon as possible
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Gingarmada:
has anyone upgraded to the Transcend 16gb flash drive

Just wondering if it can be done and if anyone has done it.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] ol2:
I replaced the microdrive with the 16GB SSD but it did not work.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
Bummer - what were the symptoms?

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] ol2:
I could not get the Athena to see the SSD. It acted like the SSD/HDD was not connected.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
That sucks :( I assume you tried the "Format Microdrive" option?

It would really stink if HTC hard-coded the Athena to only recognize the Hitachi micro-drive, or hard-coded it for 8GB maximum....

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] PBL1:
In this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=406182 some body installed AP4 in his 7510 and the flash driver disappeared does it mean that 750x roms lack the drivers?

If that is the case it should not be difficult to transfer the flashcard drivers from a 7510 rom into a 750x rom

perhaps is worth a try

P:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] ol2:
Did you try it yet?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lastnikita:
I guess so, or even easier, try to flash a 7510 rom onto our device ?

Is there any other hardware difference that internal drive and joystick ?

I just bought a 7500 from ebay and the microdrive is crashed :-/
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
Still Waitting for my SSD Transcend

There is an other thread in the forum who they try to do it without succes

i've got a idee to make work the upgradding to 16 GO SSD

1st i need to receive it

2nd i need to buy a 3rd X7500

my 1st one is for every day and i use the 2nd one for all software tests

wait and see
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
Have anyone tried an 8GB SSD? Is the problem the SSD vs HDD or 16GB vs 8GB?

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] PBL1:
We assume that the pin arrangement of the Transcent SSD is identical than the Athena drive

we know that the athena plataform can run SSD (7510)

A 7510 rom does not work in the 750x as it is ( require the 750x to be modified a la AP4 spl 3.50, ......yea other roms work with spl1.20 in 750X but Im betting there will be better chance with a 7510 pure breed rom)

Ideally we should have a rom cooked with all the required drivers and registry keys to work with SSD

that would provide a good starting point to play

also it probably would be a good idea to fire a email to transcent technical services.

Questions not answered : what are the capabilities of the athena driver interface? the 7510 has the SSD attached directly to the PCB but that does not mean that the interface is different that the one in the 7500, a level0 technical diagram of booth devices that show what IC they use to interface the storage would be very useful,

Ooh I wish sleuth was into this, I still remember his research in to the gps capabilities in the Tytn forun

ultimately I do not see any reason why a SSD should not work in the 750x....yet

regards
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
Well, they're both PATA-ZIF which is supposed to be standard, so I think we all expected the SSD would be a drop-in :(

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lastnikita:
So I guess we just need to copy 7510's storage drivers to our device and redirect the WM entries to them in the registry ? Who has a SSD to try that ?

I'm sure the biggest part is identifying the driver files, we need to dig into the registry.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] ol2:
I have the SSD and will try it if someone can find the drivers. I will have to take the Athena apart again but that's ok.

I have talked to Transcend. They suggusted formatting the drive before putting it into the Athena (it is not formatted from the factory). But I have no way to use the SSD outside of the Athena. I looked for a USB<->35 PIN ZIF connector but could not find one. There are lots of 40 PIN connectors but no 35 PIN.

Another idea might be to do a bit-for-bit copy from the microdrive to the SSD but that again would need to done outside the Athena.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
No personal experience, and I suspect you'll have to buy from a distributor or dealer (try googling the part #):

http://www.ameri-rack.com/APA-HD18Zm.htm

[Edit]Obviously this takes the PATA-ZIF to a standard 40pin IDE/PATA connector which you can use with any USB-PATA enclosure or right inside a PATA-equipped PC or whatever....

[Edit2]I forgot to include the link to the OEM:

http://www.ably.com.tw/pdt/viewpdt.asp?absp=42&cat=CHASSIS_PARTS

HTH,

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] PBL1:
Thats a good finding ,obviously it open the possibility to mirror the Athena disk in to the SSD, to see what happen, in the other hand if the disk have to be formatted before its recognized it means that extra expense of buying the part or perhaps someone will make some extra pennies selling ready to pop SSD:)

Ok, drivers

When AP4 was cooked, they had to change the drivers to recognize the internal HD, so perhaps Pawell can point us in the right direction.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] ol2:
Thanks for the link but I think that ZIF connector is a 40 PIN ZIF which is used for 1.8" drives.

The microdrive/SSD is a 1" drive and has a 35-PIN FPC ZIF connector.

There are lots of converters available for 1.8" drives as these are commonly used drives. I can't find anything with the specific ZIF connector used by the microdrive.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
there is similitude with CF connector and the 1" 35pin ZIF P-ATA ?

if yes, maybe we can try to find an IDE to CF adaptor who work for 1" SSD ?!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Oberth:
Maybe this could solve the formatting side of things?

Been keeping an eye on this but not posted much since my previous suggestions had not done the trick.

Some more searching of around on the net brings these up two prodcuts.

http://www.edgetechcorp.com/storage/mini-hard-drive.asp (American)

http://www.dvd-and-media.com/usb-verbatim-hd-drive.html (UK)

Assuming they are 1" drives inside and not 1.8" you should be able to pop it open and swap the drive inside for the Transcend SSD to see it works, the first link gives dimensions of that unit as 1.9" square so it could be a 1.8" with no protection or a 1" with a decent housing.

If it works you should be able to hook up the 8GB microdrives from the phone allowing you to use Ghost or similar to clone the microdrive to the SSD saving you from having to reinstall anything.

We will not be beaten :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] PBL1:
how do es it connect to its internal drive?

if its used to test communication with the transcend SSD or formatting, the size may not be an issue, just get rid of the casing, this assuming that it connect to the internal drive by a ribbon and that the connector is compatible with the transcent.

What about connecting the athena to the computer and using WM5Torage or USB to PC so the athena microdrive is recognized as external storage?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Oberth:
It's all about the wires :)

Hi PBL1,

The main problem with the whole project is that the drives we want to use are 1" with a 35 pin connector where as the 1.8" use a 40 pin connector so the type of drive that's inside these is crucial to it working or not which is why the AmiRack product further up is a non starter due to the pinout.

Also I had suggested the WM5Storage trick a while back and OL2 who has a transcend drive tried it out but it seems that with out some form of formatted partition present it could not be picked up buy the unit possibly a limitation of the windows mobile platform.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Oberth:
Another idea comes to mind

Wanted to put this in a seperate post to my reply to PBL1

A random thought came to me while typing my reply above we know that Windows Mobile cannot see an unformatted drive but could Android be a way for us to get round this? given that it's a 'proper' os with a fancy gui there may be a way to access the drive and format it with that.

I shall ask over in the Android thread and see what comes from that side :) might not come to anything but it's certainly another avenue to explore . . .

Android thread is here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=393389
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
i finaly receive my 16GO Transcend SSDisk

next stepp is to find a way to implement X7500

i look at mini USB 1" disk links that you post

but in my mind i need IDE adapatator

cause all my solutions (partition and formatage or MBR acces) work sure via IDE way.....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
i find that but i imagine price is very expensive

http://www.actel.com/documents/PXA270_UG.pdf
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
Maybe an Idee

i've just order an Microdrive type 2 for few euros

in the data sheet i've see that it subdivised in two parts

1st an zif 35pin PATA to CF type II

2nd the mechanical part of the Microdrive

I will try to replace the mechanical part by the SSD

we will see....

wathever

i continu to look for 1" 35 PIN ZIF adapter .......
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] mfschneider:
Harddisk Diagnostics

The Athena Service Manual mentions a "Diagnostic MiniSD Card" in section 4.2 at page 53, that provides a "HDD Detect Test" operation (p. 62) as well as a "Format FAT" operation (p. 63). Maybe this HDD test might be able to find the SSD and report its characteristics as seen by the Athena. This would at least be an indication if the SSD is working at all and a starting point for exploration into the driver quest. Can anybody get hold of this diagnostic software?

R, Michael
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
mfschneider

well done !

i'm sure that is a good way to explore

like the precedent post you made where you speak about use W5storage way......

to be continue

please, tell us that some one can provide us that spécific diag. software .....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
i've find a path about diag software

i will try it tomorow

It's not the good soft

damned !
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
mfschneider

can you check for me, this following thread below, to check if it's a good way to follow ?!

my english in not enaugh good, and i'm not sur to understand well.....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=254928

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=276766

Any help to find the HTC "MiniSD Diagnostic software"

well be apreciate .....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
if someone can check this for me (difficulty with english)

http://www.spv-developers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=297

and here

http://vivien.chappelier.free.fr/typhoon/doc.html
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Oberth:
bluesbrothers93 may be onto something :)

Just been having a look round on the net (one day I shall do some work at work)

Found this site http://mrmacintosh00.spymac.com/ipod/dead.html where someone has got a rather dead ipod and dismantled it. of interest main is this pic http://mrmacintosh00.spymac.com/ipod/images/dead/04.jpg which is the microdrive circuit board which seems to have a tiny white connector on the right that looks about right for a 35 pin zif so fingers crossed it will work out for him.

The only problems I can see is trying to get it all inside a card reader as the connector is at a right angle to the board which might make it tricky, also depending on the card reader some behave better than others when dealing with microdrives.

Also another possible step the 1" USB harddrives I mentioned a couple of posts back might be an all in one solution if they could be broken down to expose the drive and then open the drive for the circuit board with the zif you would have all the kit needed (maybe)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
I have been searchin'

I have found a hard disk duplicator and an adaptor for the Hitachi 3K8 hard drive.

Things I have to clarify:

Whether or not the HDD duplicator will copy WM6.0/6.1 OS

Whether the adapter can be used as a dongle, or does it need to be used in conjunction with the duplicator (I assume only with duplicator)

Whether the ZIF connection is indeed for 35 pin PATA (I assume yes)

There is one company offering a service on duplication. It may worth just having them try to duplicate the Hitachi hidden files onto the Transcend SSD and see if it works.

What does everyone think?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] johnripper:
where did you find the adapter i would like to buy one. thanks
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Duplicator here (USA rights):

http://www.ics-iq.com/

http://www.diskology.com/

Adapter here:

http://www.yec-usa.com/products/accessories.html

If you live outside USA, you can also buy the adapter from YEC.

I think our hope for a SSD of 16Gb or greater is riding on a device like this.

kww
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
Super ! But price..........

It's good think to find that kind of equipements...

But 499 USD for Duplicator

and 120 USD for 1" Adapter

it's not little money.....

damned !!!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] rsolomon:
I cannot imagine one NEEDs the duplicator - PartitionMagic or similar tool should work just fine, and I'm pretty sure WM boots from the internal flash, NOT the microdrive.

$120 does seem steep for the adapter!

Richard
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
it sure that Duplicator is not essentiel

but it's nice to know about existence of this product

I've got already (not mobile) binary HD duplicator

but some of fonctionnality of this new product seem interresting....

120 USD for adapter vs 75 USD of the SSD

that is a steep.....

it's sure !
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Look at it this way, with 1 adapter you have enough demand to format 10-20 SSD's at minimum. So cost per SSD for the adapter becomes only $6-12.

Big question I have is there a software available so that the hidden files on the Hitachi 3K8 Microdrive can be made viewable via USB connection and WM5torage?

How are people viewing these hidden formatting files?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Here is IDS's reply to my questions on the duplicator:

[FONT=&quot]Hi Keith,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Our DJ PRO does not interact with the OS contents or file system of any hard disk, it simply copies everything sector-by-sector, as it exists on the source disk. Therefore it doesn’t matter what OS or file system is in use, it will copy until there are no more sectors left, or it runs out of sectors on the target drive. Thus, you need to have a target hard disk with at least the same number of sectors as the master/source drive; any excess sectors become unallocated space, which can be reclaimed by use of some OS utility or some 3rd party software (such as, Partition Magic 8.0 for a Windows OS).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]> “[/FONT]Are the ZIF Adapters for 35 or 40 pin cables?[FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Both the ICS Drive Guide ZIF adapter F.GR-0024-900 and the original ZIF adapter F.GR-0024-000A are for the standard 40-pin ZIF cable and connectors.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The ICS 40 pin is no go for the Hitachi drive or the Transcend SSD, will need the following adapter from YEC:[/FONT]

Good news for that:

http://yec.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5361088571/m/4671009392

The Y6402 is configured for the industry standard PATA 35 pin. It will support the trancend 1.0" drive as well as the Hitachi 3k8 (PATA interface). They both run on 3.3 volts of DC power and the adapter allows data to run bi-directionally.

So who has a Transcend SSD and a Hitachi HDD to test out?

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[/FONT]

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[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
120 USD !

i should buy it but price is high for a simple adapter !

I'va already have Transcend SSD 1", 4Go Hitachi Microdrive and dédicated X7500 for hardware tests

to be contin......
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
So can anyone confirm that there is some sort of 'lock' in the HTC 750x WM6 OS that prevents another drive from being mounted?

Never mind the formatting issues, I am just worried about if the OS has a 'block'?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
fyi, I have found the pin assignments for both the Hitachi 3K8 8GB microdrive and the Transcend 16GB SSD.

The pin assignments on the 35 pin, .3mm pitch ZIF P-ATA connector are IDENTICAL.

So the question is there an block in the HTC hardware that prevents other drives from being recognized?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] PBL1:
That is very unlikely, what's the point, if its any hardware problem is more likely to be with the capabilities of the ATA controller in our devices( ideally we should find what chip HTC uses in the athena and google it) , but i want to believe those are capable enough

more likely would be software drivers or formatting issues, just like a pc require a bios upgrade in order to recognize a newer kind of hardware or windows need a prepared drive before it can see it.

but who knows maybe HTC is evil enought

by the way is there not a single HTC engineer monitoring this forums? because Ill love to ear their opinion in this issue, that's for sure
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
The sirens' call was too much...

Well I bit the bullet and ordered the ZIF adapter and the Transcend 16GB SSD. I have an idea that no one else has tried yet, and I hope it will work.

The SSD may be backordered, so I would expect a 2 week wait for results or lack thereof...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
just back from hollydays

I've just read your post

instead of adapter (120 USB)

i've just receive a Microdrive for less than 10 USD (ebay is my friend)

i going to test microdrive build'in controler to acces to the 1'' SSD from a PC

i'm not confident, but i wanted to test it first (cheap < 10USD) before invest 120 USD for the adapter

Whatever,

we are suspend to your own tests
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] ol2:
Not sure I understand...how will the microdrive connect to the SSD? Is there a 35 PIN ZIF connector inside the microdrive?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Well my Transcend 16GB SSD arrived today.

Damn is it tiny! I believe the thickness is such that you can probably put two SSD's into the space of the Hitachi Microdrive, if only that were possible, as if a ZIF Sata connection existed.

The memory on the board is 4 Samsung K9HBG08U1M 4GB x 8 Bit NAND Flash Memory.

I am still awaiting the ZIF PATA adapter. Then the fun begins (I hope)!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Bad news, the adapter card, is out of production. The usa site took my order and then issued a full refund.

I emailed the UK branch, no luck, and will try the Japanese site.

As far as I am concerned, without that 35 pin ZIF PATA converter, there will be no SSD conversion...grrrr.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
tell me result

i'd like to get one also

on the jp site it's here

http://www.kk-yec.co.jp/products/5option/adapter.html
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
The US distributor said they can't source the 35 pin cable, but I remember finding a pdf catalog of a manufacturer.

I am not optimistic...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Update, the companies that sell the disk jockey hard drive duplicators haven't been able to scrounge up the zif to pata adapter.

The company that makes the connector components is called Hi Rose. I am going to see if I can get some zif connector samples and solder something up. Give me a couple of months to see if I can scrounge something up.

UPDATE:

Found a company that makes a generic adapter. It goes from an 0.3mm pitch zif 45 pin socket to round conductors. Problem is that I still need an 35 pin FPC ribbon cable to plug into that adapter and a dedicated 3.3v power supply....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Anyone know where to source a 0.3mm pitch FPC jumper? This is the major impediment to my quest...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Oberth:
The dead microdrive scavenge seems the best course.

Hello Keithwwalker,

Check out my post #95 in this thread that has a link to a shot of a gutted Microdrive and the little white connecter looks to be the right size which is why bluesbrothers93 is grabbing one as it should technically contain everything you need for a 35pin zif to ide converter.

If you wanted to go the whole hog you could grab a CF to IDE adaptor or you might be lucky enough to cram it into a card reader. Does the Transcend SSD come with the ribbon cable attached like the microdrive by the way none of the pictures show it I think we have up till now all assumed it does.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] bluesbrothers93:
i receive the microdrive i 've ordering.

but the one i get was not the same of the one you have post !

i need to order exactly the same one as you post !

damned