yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
The thread has drifted

One of the things that makes this thread less useful than it could be, is that the thread has mostly changed to refer to the lack of an OTA update for non-USA regions. Those of us in the USA not only have had Lollipop on the VK810 for a few months, but we have received an OTA update since then.

The current thread title attracts viewers who are wondering about both USA and non-USA updates, but with different concerns. A moderator should either change the title of the thread, or lock it so that a new thread can be created for non-USA concerns. Otherwise, those of us in the USA have to check the thread every time someone expresses disappointment about the lack of a non-USA OTA update. That's not very productive, since there is nothing any of us users (whether in the USA or not) can do about it.
[G Pad 8.3 General] hodgestl:
Thank you for your post, but please know I could NOT disagree more. I happen to live in the US and count on this thread. I happen to have a V500 WiFi Only tablet. Also, I live in the US and I do not have a Lollipop update. Given that the V500 was a mass produced tablet (sold at both WalMart and at Sams Club) and sold thousands of these in the US, I suggest this thread and this topic are still particularly useful to the US market. I am very glad that you have received your update, and that you are pleased with your software updates. Nevertheless, I for one would not like to see the overall focus of this thread changed. That is unless you would prefer those of us with different models just go away. All the best to you. And thanks to everyone for keeping their eye on LG and keeping us in the loop.

BTW, the OP does not mention a model number at all!
[G Pad 8.3 General] Metaldroidiano:
Facts is that China got the update after 3\4 months of Korean version.

Hope is last standing.

I'm from Italy and nothing yet.
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
OK, I didn't know that the USA V500 tablets didn't have the update (because a lot of posters are not specific), but still, it's tiring to repeatedly visit the thread and see nothing but complaints (or, in some cases threats) about the lack of an update.

I'm not for eliminating the discussion, just re-titling it. Like "Some of us still don't have Lollipop". As it is, the thread title implies that it includes post-Lollipop updates, which it doesn't (they're fortunately in a different thread).
[G Pad 8.3 General] giovaorama:
I'm happy that your vk810 is already updated to lollipop.

But this Verizon version is just a small percent of the 3 (or more) 8.3 flavours.

Most of them are v500 (from which google derives its v510) sold all around the world.

XDA is not an US specific forum.

Please remember that there is an entire world just outside your door.

Maybe, since your already got lollipop, you can simply unsubscribe this thread and let us crying.

Inviato dal mio LG-V500 utilizzando Tapatalk
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
People are the same everywhere

I don't subscribe to the thread. I visit the forum regularly looking for useful information about updates, and see if someone has posted a message in this thread. When that happens, I check it to see if someone has posted a productive, useful message on the topic of the thread title; namely, any new updates.

Even if I had a non-VK810 model and was still waiting for a Lollipop update, I would find most of the messages in this thread a waste of time. Messages about which countries and models have updates, is somewhat useful. Messages about "Some of us still don't have Lollipop", are not. That has nothing to do with what country anyone is in. Whining is still whining, regardless of location or model. We all do it from time to time, because it has a certain cathartic value. Nevertheless, it's usually not useful unless presented to someone who can actually do something about it.

Be careful what you wish for. After receiving Lollipop updates some time ago, I almost went back to v4.4. The advantages of v5.0 are minor, and there are disadvantages, especially on the VK810. Stability is usually more important than features, which in turn are more important than "look and feel". Those that always want the latest and greatest need to ditch their Android devices and stand in line for an iPad, because that ALWAYS is the latest and greatest. Or at least so I've heard.
[G Pad 8.3 General] Metaldroidiano:
Yes, you're right.

So my new question is:

Lollipop on our gpad, for those who have, is it worth? battery life, usability, and multiwindow, how are they?
[G Pad 8.3 General] Stu C:
I would say that this thread was started in response to news that the v500 model was due for the Lollipop update in Korea... Rather than non-US owners having their own thread, I propose that v810 users go start their own thread!
[G Pad 8.3 General] hodgestl:
I Agree. Thank you
[G Pad 8.3 General] roirraW "edor" ehT:
The thread title, the OP and the article the OP links to mention nothing about a specific variant of the G Pad 8.3.

[VK810.4G] [altev] [ViKtory810ROM] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

[VK810.4G] [altev] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

DEBLOAT SCRIPTS

and copies of all the files they remove

[VK810.4G] [altev] OTAs, .IMGs and KDZs, oh my
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
Threading the needle ...

I don't care who has to create a new thread; I would just like the thread titles to be specific to the issues being discussed.

---------- Post added at 03:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:06 PM ----------

And the reference to Korea is simply because LG HQ is in Korea, so you expect it to be released there first.

Remember, this isn't about some nationalistic agenda or even about the whining; it's about the messages being related to the thread title. Further, continuing this sub-thread may have the salutary effect of a moderator locking it, which will fix the problem as far as I am concerned. :D
[G Pad 8.3 General] Bodisson:
I agree, title of the thread should be changed.

To what, I don't know...
[G Pad 8.3 General] roirraW "edor" ehT:
If I might suggest, from "NEWS: Gpad 8.3 Lollipop updates rolling out soon!" to "V500 G-Pad 8.3 Lollipop update still hasn't arrived for almost all countries". Would probably be easier to just start a new thread for that, though, so that the OP's original intention by the thread is kept intact.
[G Pad 8.3 General] DrEzkimo:
it should just be changed to:

"tears"

I have given up on getting any more updates for the tablet. still does its job nicely though so will keep it going.
[G Pad 8.3 General] pnin:
How about just the " rolling out soon!" part is truncated and a mod adds a note stating the change, model and motive to OP? ?
[G Pad 8.3 General] Metaldroidiano:
news! Lg announced that some devices like g2,g3 g pad 10.1 and g pad X 8.3 will skip 5.1.1 lollipop and get directly Marshmallow 6.0! Amazing.

Will LG remember us? :(
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
Reference/link?
[G Pad 8.3 General] Metaldroidiano:
Here http://www.vcpost.com/articles/93018/20150921/lg-g-pad-f-8-0-x-3-will-android.htm

And here http://www.latinospost.com/articles/73588/20150923/lg-now-preparing-g4-g3-g2-new-android-m-6.htm

They are taken simply from Google,I don't know if they are truthful or not ;)
[G Pad 8.3 General] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Actually, that first article says the X8.3 will get 5.1.

[VK810.4G] [altev] [ViKtory810ROM] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

[VK810.4G] [altev] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

DEBLOAT SCRIPTS

and copies of all the files they remove

[VK810.4G] [altev] OTAs, .IMGs and KDZs, oh my
[G Pad 8.3 General] dark0shark:
Since a long time LG provides an update for the LG-V500 via OTA and LG PC Suite: from Build number KOT49I,V50020d to KOT49I,V50020f. Sticks with Android 4.4.2, but nevertheless there is some movement at LG ;)
[G Pad 8.3 General] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Source:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/app/bas...203013794719694481/6203013800929054194?cfem=1:

[VK810.4G] [altev] [ViKtory810ROM] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

[VK810.4G] [altev] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

DEBLOAT SCRIPTS

and copies of all the files they remove

[VK810.4G] [altev] OTAs, .IMGs and KDZs, oh my
[G Pad 8.3 General] Metaldroidiano:
Yep, only a patch for 4.4.2. At least something is moving. I want to think that this is a warm up for lollipop... :rolleyes:
[G Pad 8.3 General] Impromark:
Well, it's so nice to have *any* sort of update, since the last one was done for me on June 24, 2014!

Oddly though, the details of this patch say "Phone usability and functionality has been further improved." How so, since we can't USE this as a phone..! Is there a change log available somewhere?

And yeah, I hope this isn't just some critical security hole that's being fixed, and that this somehow means the 5.x upgrade is still in the pipe.

Mark
[G Pad 8.3 General] hodgestl:
Best guess is that this update is just to patch the Stagefright vulnerability. That vulnerability is primarily only found in certain MMS messages, but it sure won't hurt you to take this update. However, other than the Stagefright vulnerability patch, I don't think you will find any change at all. Best of luck to you. By the way, we are STILL hopeful for getting Android v5 Lollipop in the future. But the tablet works great as is!
[G Pad 8.3 General] KyPbP:
V500 30b Hong Kong

http://csmgdl.lgmobile.com/dn/downloader.dev?fileKey=FW5BSLV23245AT478A630PL/V50030b_00.kdz
[G Pad 8.3 General] Impromark:
Is that new, or has it been out for a while? I thought most of Asia got theirs already?

Mine is a BYOD work tablet so I can't root / unofficially upgrade it - so I've been crossing my fingers for months now hoping we'd eventually see it in more Western regions.

Mark
[G Pad 8.3 General] auleu:
is 30b still 5.0.2 ?
[G Pad 8.3 General] Mhden2x:
I've emailed LG Support yesterday, asking about the Lollipop update. Until now, their answer was "we don't have any information" (yeah, right). So I asked them politely, if you don't know at all as a Customer Support service, please let me know who can I contact, who can really answer on this.

Their answer today, as of 14th October 2015 (obviously officially) is that V500 WILL NOT get updated to Android 5!

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!! How can Korea, Hong Kong and China get the update and Europe (at least, my country is in Europe) NOT get the update??!!!

Useless LG developers!!!
[G Pad 8.3 General] Metaldroidiano:
Absurd! I want believe and have faith.

They said lg v500 will update to lollipop many months ago, why now this news? At least they can pubblish an official announce
[G Pad 8.3 General] Mhden2x:
I've emailed them again. I just asked how can Korea, Hong Kong and China get an official update and other countries not?? It's the same device!!! Let's see what their answer will be.

EDIT: They say getting the update depends on the policy of the LG Support of the countries individually. Which means, for example LG Greece (in my case) won't be updating the specific device (V500). Other countries may get that update. But in my opinion, won't, since European ROMs all almost identical. What kind of a policy is this??? What kind of a genius mastermind has thought of this??! You either get it or you don't. This is not support!
[G Pad 8.3 General] cybertec69:
I have 5.0.1 on my LG G Pad 8.3 V500,you need to install it yourself, no root needed, you can find the instructions on the LG G+ page.
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
Support includes ...

I'm very sympathetic to this issue, having had a couple devices with minimal warranty support (eg, a Sony $1800 "jukebox"-type 400 CD/DVD/BluRay player). However, note that support includes making a language-specific version, AND providing the necessary server infrastructure to provide just the downloads.

I'm not saying it's a great amount of support, but it does cost something. Witness the difficulty here (mostly past history) on the XDA forums, for some developers finding suitable sites to support their downloads. Downloads of just popular ROMs consume a lot of resources; imagine the resources needed for an official upgrade.

If whatever part of LG/Greece is considering such support, they may be budgeting such costs to a v5.1 release. Wild speculation, I know, but something to consider ...
[G Pad 8.3 General] cybertec69:
Update support is built into the price of the device.
[G Pad 8.3 General] Impromark:
Well, ain't that a kick in the pants... While not a HUGE success, LG did sell a bunch of these things in the Western world and I'm sure you guys would agree that it shouldn't take THAT much effort to regionalize the Korean ROM release.

I'm going to talk with my company's IT people to see if I can use the official (Hong Kong) firmware update, just not in the region I got mine. Uh, I can't seem to find the update methodology suggested above - can someone provide a direct link? Thanks..

Edit - nevermind. http://xdaforums.com/lg-g-pad-83/general/tutorial-korea-v30a-how-to-flash-t3076576

Mark
[G Pad 8.3 General] Mhden2x:
Well, I have already flashed AOSP 5.1.1, but that's not the case. What about those who don't know how to flash a ROM? And keep waiting for the OTA update? What about those who just don't want to void their warranty? Or are afraid to start wiping etc?

Besides, Korean ROM IS NOT the official ROM for my device.

I see your point, but, come on, this is LG we're talking about. There is no possibility they can't afford resources/ servers etc. Regarding the language, AOSP already has every language implemented, LG only has to translate some texts, widgets of their UI etc! It's just ridiculous! Also, LG Greece, replied to me that they won't update the device to Android v.5. Not at all. So it's not that they're planning (they ....what?? lol ) to update their firmware later or in 2016! That's it, end of the road with 4.4.2.

Lastly (and that's serious), it makes me wonder:

LG Head Office, releases 5.0.2 (although they should update to 5.1, as the early versions have that memory leak - but that's another story) and some... "LG Greece" just decides NOT to roll the update to the Greek users??! How on Earth can that happen? Does LG Head Office in Korea, really know about this??? Is this a policy of a respected manufacturer? That's not even professional! We are talking about the SAME device guys, even the SAME VARIANT. There's no excuse for this. Every user of the V500, has paid an amount of money to get the same quality product all over the world.

As someone mentioned above, you pay for the software too, not just the hardware.

P.S.: I own an LG Optimus 2x mobile phone. Just head to wikipedia and read: "Holds the record for longest update holdout, taking 16 months to go from Android 2.2 to 2.3" Also it took them about 14 months to roll the update to ICS.

I bought the Optimus 2x because of the first 2core processor ever, on which ICS would run flawlessly, so as to keep my device for, say 4-5 years. They updated the device to ICS after 14-15 months, and the phone became unusuable due to the 385 MB of RAM.

Also, having learnt my lesson, I bought the LG G Pad 8.3, because I wanted a device with 2 GB RAM, so as to have a tablet which could run Lollipop flawlessly. (the other LG tablets are already updated to 5.0.2/ 5.1 although they have just 1 GB RAM)

See now what I'm talking about?
[G Pad 8.3 General] Impromark:
Yup.

Here's a real question though, will 30a or 30b still have the update to cover this Stagefright vulnerability?

Mark
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
Saying something, doesn't make it so.

Apparently not, judging from the comments in this thread. When you bought the device, were there any assurances of updates to a major new version? If so, you've got a case.

If not, saying it, doesn't make it so.

---------- Post added at 11:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:42 AM ----------

I don't know specifically about LG, but many of these "world" corporations, actually license out their foreign operations. I know a Japanese device manufacturer for which the USA (and other country) offices are owned by completely different organizations that are responsible for sales, support and repair in that country. The Japanese company can't tell the USA company of the same name what to do, and vice versa. They each have their own profit sheets to worry about. In the USA, due to the market size here, we get very good support, but it's clear that the support (especially warranty support) in this case in European countries is sometimes inadequate. Further, sometimes the software/firmware for the device are developed by the regional companies, and is NOT shared, because one regional company is not willing to bear the shared cost.

Getting back to LG, saying that LG/Korea has the resources, isn't really pertinent.

Please don't think I'm unsympathetic. As in two cases I've mentioned in this thread, I've had two very expensive devices get almost no support for defective designs or manufacturing. In one case I think there is very good evidence that the company bought counterfeit components and is too embarrassed to admit it (maybe even internally), AND won't own up to the problem or fix it. We live in a sometimes ruthless world, and occasionally get the short end of the stick. I've found it's usually best to adjust our expectations and move on.
[G Pad 8.3 General] Mhden2x:
So... why do they sell the same variant to both Korean and Greek markets?! just produce a model, say V500G for Greece (that won't be supported for a long time) and another variant, say V500K, that will be indeed supported and respected. I'm buying the V500K for sure!!
[G Pad 8.3 General] DrDeeJay:
Maybe they will go directly to Marshmellow and thats the reason they are not updating to lollipop ;))

Im never buying an LG device again...or eaven a non-Nexus one for that matter. Nexus or nothing. If they stop producing nexus devices (or if they start making them crapy) then ill rather leave Android and switch to ios or windows 10.
[G Pad 8.3 General] jerrycvem:
Can you give me the link where I can find the instructions? Thanks in advance! :)
[G Pad 8.3 General] Impromark:
Link at the top of the page.

My IT folks were okay with me upgrading my Pad, so I did today with the methodology at the top of the page. Worked just fine. Only worried now that *IF* the US people finally get with the program, can I flash the region-correct ROM in the same way?

Mark
[G Pad 8.3 General] roirraW "edor" ehT:
If by the same way, you're referring to LG Flash Tool 2014 with a KDZ, then yes, most likely.

I use LG Flash Tool 2014 with both my G3 and VK810.4G variant of the G Pad 8.3 across all firmwares over the past year.

After an OTA is released, a KDZ is released after a few days or a week, at least on the Verizon G3 and VK810.4G.

Beware that the 5.1.1 OTA we Verizon G3 users just received both hasn't been rooted and you can no longer use older KDZs to downgrade it. You can use the DLL file that's extracted from the KDZ with the TOT file and method to successfully downgrade it, but we're lucky that we have a single old TOT file to use.

Although our G3 5.1.1 update can't be rooted yet, having the KDZ allows us extract the KDZ and create pre-rooted updated stock ROMs, we just can't root from the 100% stock unrooted update.

Sorry if that was TL;DR.

[VK810.4G] [altev] [ViKtory810ROM] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

[VK810.4G] [altev] official LG G Pad 8.3 Lollipop 36B_00 5.0.2

DEBLOAT SCRIPTS

and copies of all the files they remove

[VK810.4G] [altev] OTAs, .IMGs and KDZs, oh my
[G Pad 8.3 General] auleu:
has anyone tested 30b?
[G Pad 8.3 General] aicjofs:
Yes. I can't really see a difference from 30A. There are subtle differences. Build.prop is US English. The ramdisk charger res images removed the Korean. Etc.
[G Pad 8.3 General] auleu:
is it still 5.0.2 ?
[G Pad 8.3 General] Impromark:
Yup, 5.0.2 on the 30b build. There is no visual difference from a US release at all. Heck, even Quick Remote works just fine, and still lists my DVR as being an AT&T model - not that I ever use it, but it's interesting to see it survived the switch!

Just goes to show that if it was really down to the regions to release these things, at least in North America there should not be anything keeping them from doing so. There should be little to change at all...

Mark
[G Pad 8.3 General] DeanGibson:
People are the same everywhere

Sometimes there are stupid licensing issues in the way, and sometimes people in these companies are just plain stinky. Example:

A few years ago I bought a Nikon film strip/slide scanner. Nikon USA included drivers for Windows Vista (32 and 64 bit). When Windows 7 was released, Nikon had not yet discontinued the scanner, so users asked Nikon USA for support for Windows 7. Nikon USA announced that there would not be any support for Windows 7, and shortly after, discontinued selling it. Users on previous versions of Windows (including Vista) would continue to be supported.

This annoyed lots of owners, but it wasn't as bad as what happened next. Someone discovered that a one-line change to the installation .INF file (a small text file that every version of Windows uses as part of the install), made the install work on Windows 7 (and of course the scanner worked perfectly under Windows 7).

This information was forwarded to Nikon USA, but the response was the same: No support for Windows 7. It's not like the device really needed any support after installation.

My guess is that Niikon USA contracted with an external company to do the software (Nikon USA outsourced some of their software), and they couldn't come to an agreement over the cost of the change (seriously).

What companies don't realize, is the permanent damage they do to their reputation with stunts like this. I was very loyal to Nikon before, and I still buy their equipment, but I no longer trust them.

The problem is, with all issues like this, what do you do? Jumping from the frying pan into the fire is not the best solution.

ps: The scanner originally listed for $1000 new. I've recently seen it go on eBay for $2500 used.
[G Pad 8.3 General] roirraW "edor" ehT:
[MENTION=4031599]DeanGibson[/MENTION],

Yikes! For that amount of money on quality scanners, I would certainly expect better/longer support too! I've come across the same situation with other scanners, printers, and some video cards as well. Of course video cards are more critical as far as saying that one is supported under a particular OS implies a certain level of testing.

It's hard to be loyal to a particular brand any more. Which came first? The lack of brand loyalty or the lack of customer service? I'm sure they coincided slowly but steadily.

I'm typing this blind because of Windows 10's stupid TapaTalk app's behavior so I'll edit this shortly. Also, I forgot the Windows TapaTalk app adds a bunch of extra carriage returns (blank lines for younger people) between paragraphs every time you edit a post, requiring manual deletion each time.
[G Pad 8.3 General] pnin:
In the case of Android tablets and having used both generic obscure brands and major ones (e.g., I bought my V500 after a double iteration of Asus 8" devices that never got any version updates), I really think the current slump in tablet sales is partly due to this kind of behaviour from the major players.

By failing to allow users to explore the full potential of their hardware they are in fact killing the proverbial golden egg goose. Not unlike what just happened with the smartphone market where similar shenanigans paved the way to the present ascendance of Chinese brands -- myself, I'm now a very satisfied user of a ZTE Nubia Z7 Max cum CyanogenMod v12.1.

Tapatalked from my V500
[G Pad 8.3 General] dung_dung1341:
V30b in Korean version.
[G Pad 8.3 General] tmohammad:
Still awaiting Lollipop in the UK! Seems very unfair of LG not to allow us to have Lollipop even though its fully developed and out there in many countries!

Why leave Europe out? Makes no sense!

:crying::crying::crying: