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[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I truthfully don't think we are gonna be seeing carrier variants. The n6 was supposed to bring a uniformed ROM to all variants of the n6 and looking at the d and e builds, they both have vzw stuff in them.

I think it is just a case of getting volte and HD calling on each variant as they are working with the different vendors and getting the smart card service in place/vendor APIs and the cases of new binaries and other files changed are slight updates between them since d and e were 3 days apart and that is why we haven't seen updated tags yet cause they are still working on them
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
I can confirm that's true
[Nexus 6  General] Pacman1969:
Hello,

I am in Ireland and bought my nexus 6 from clove. Did your update come via OTA and if so when?

Mine has not come through yet.
[Nexus 6  General] westers035:
It was OTA on Thursday night.
[Nexus 6  General] nEUTRon666:
The E Build was posted on google's dev site as factory image, they wouldn't post a carrier specific build there, it's a general newer build. Maybe we will see a M build on google's site OR the M build is the only carrier specific one..then i would vote for a change to Voice over LTE for T-Mobile.
[Nexus 6  General] Pecata:
I don't know if it's just me but I was running the 47D build and when I saw the 47E I updated but the 47E lags sometimes. I have noticed it when you are swiping to close an open app for example - sometimes the window swipes and it freezes for like 1/2 second before it does away. I have clean flashed it twice just to make sure but it is still doing it.

I even ran Antutu and compared the scores-after installing 47D encrypted I got above 50000 score, on 47E un-encrypted I got 47000. CPU and graphics scores are lower on the newer build for some reason. Also I have noticed lag during the 3d graphics test in Antutu.

Anyone else noticing anything like that?

Now the radio I like better on the 47E build. I am on Tmobile and the LTE and signal in general is better than the 47D radio.

I am thinking of flashing 47D again but with the 47E radio...
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
i did notice some lag on E also. I thought it was just me lol. The E radio messed up my reception really badly on Sprint.
[Nexus 6  General] Pecata:
I am glad I am not alone...I thought I was imagining things...I will be flashing 47D tonight I guess...I know we have a high end hardware I have no idea why it lags on that build...
[Nexus 6  General] phoenixus:
I had this same issue on 47D, so I wouldn't bother flashing back. Seems like a general 5.1 thing.
[Nexus 6  General] launton:
I'm in the UK on 3UK and have the 47D variant. I'm not sure if it's relevant but on first boot my radio was showing the LTE icon which later changed to 4G. Probably means nothing but adding it in anyway
[Nexus 6  General] runbadgerrun:
m = Magenta?

I know the debate over carrier specific and not carrier specific. But is it just a coincidence that they went D to E then all the way to M? M = magenta? T-Mobile loves to shove their branding around these days. Just a thought. Hoping M gets posted to the Factory Images though. I don't really want to deal with going back to 5.0.1 to get the OTA.
[Nexus 6  General] mijkz:
Can't reproduce this with 47E unless my battery is low (less than 40%). Battery is 60% at the moment and I'm getting 51,000 and graphics are really smooth. I have had some other issues with 47E (random cold restarts) so I'll probably go back to 47D anyway (as that seems to be what's coming OTA to UK handsets).
[Nexus 6  General] Pecata:
That is strange...I haven't had any reboots. Do you have the Amazon app installed?
[Nexus 6  General] mijkz:
I do actually, but have had for a long time. I had random warm reboots with CM12 but haven't had any with stock 5.0.1 or 47D. It was after I installed 47E that they started.

Having said that, I haven't had any since I booted into TWRP and wiped caches.
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
lets go back to the original discussion please.
[Nexus 6  General] Pecata:
Good, I was going to suggest that next... :)
[Nexus 6  General] Z-Man™:
Is the bootloader the same across all versions d/e/m?
[Nexus 6  General] vtmike:
Aren't there hardware differences between the international and US specific nexus 6. I think I remember reading they support different frequencies. Maybe this explains why d and e have different radio.img files and some people in the US reporting better reception with the e version. Not to mention a lot of non US people reporting getting the d update and working well on their phones.
[Nexus 6  General] Mudavo:
Thought I would share that I purchased a Cloud White 64gb from Amazon Prime which came yesterday. Turned it on and was running 5.0. It went through the update process and stopped at 5.0.1. This morning I got a notification for another update and now I'm on 5.1 version LMY47E. On Sprint.
[Nexus 6  General] l Frosty l:
I flashed 47D when it first came out and it runs well enough to leave it alone. (On ATT with Tmo purchased Nex 6)

I'm the one who doesn't want to keep flashing these minor incremental updates over and over and over again.

I will admit it becomes an annoyance to keep reading all the "new" images being available. It doesn't help that google doesn't clarify whats going on either.

Either way pick your poison and flash away.
[Nexus 6  General] phoenixus:
Well, that clears up alot actually. LMY47E is not "Verizon specific" and is in fact the latest general OTA. Maybe D is for the international builds. Or not, maybe D was pushed, google changed a few things, and started pushing E.
[Nexus 6  General] vtmike:
What's weird is Verizon phones came with e preinstalled, so e would have to of been done way before they posted d
[Nexus 6  General] Ryjabo:
nvm
[Nexus 6  General] phoenixus:
Because right now, M is the only carrier specific version we have. Probably has to do with wifi calling in some capacity, as Tmo is the only network with that feature.

Could also explain why we don't have an M factory image.
[Nexus 6  General] Ryjabo:
I follow you, but I don't understand why E would have a different radio if it isn't carrier-specific. This has been the most confusing, ridiculous Android upgrade I've ever seen.
[Nexus 6  General] phoenixus:
Radios get updated all the time. People on D were reporting low speeds via LTE. Issue wasn't on E (which shipped on Verizon coincidentally), so Google pushing that out via OTA now.
[Nexus 6  General] schizophrenia:
I am not from US and I flashed E over D since yesterday and noticed the signal strength difference. On the battery graph, on build D, I used to get dark yellow to yellowish signal while I am at home and now signal color is mostly yellow to light green on build E. So either the signal is better on the new radio or they changed the color scheme. I'd bet on the former.
[Nexus 6  General] mrmjv:
Here's a theory...

Off work today, so I spent the day playing. Flashed both "D" and "E" for comparison purposes, I'm on At&T. Setup both flashes as a new device with SIM card in the phone. Both flashes downloaded the usual bloat from AT&T, however the "D" setup included AT&T visual voicemail app. Never saw that before...the "E" setup did not include the app just the AT&T Live app etc. Done twice with both to confirm. Would it be possible that the "D" is for GSM networks and "E" is for CDMA? Just something i thought I'd share!
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
anything is possible at this point since we do not have any info. I can tell this, my cdma sprint N6 did not like the E version
[Nexus 6  General] mrmjv:
We'll I saw a post earlier that someone on sprint got E as an ota so who knows!
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
I saw that also. I don't don't have an answer to that but I'm thinking maybe that phone was a used one. I guess if we have more people on sprint getting the E update, that would shine some light.
[Nexus 6  General] wattsja:
I'd LOVE to get a copy of the VVM App.
[Nexus 6  General] mrmjv:
Here you go!
[Nexus 6  General] larrykl:
I thought that Google was pushing out updates on the Nexus 6 but now it seems like the carriers are some how involved??

Also, I have a T-Mo purchased Nexus 6 that I'm running on VZW. It still shows up as an unknown device. Since I'm on 5.0.1 and since VZW's Nexus 6 starts at 5.1.0, does that mean my device will never get a notification for the update since Verizon doesn't think that any device needs an update to 5.1.0?

I have never receive an OTA on this device yet. I only got the first notification of an update that seemed to go away and never came back so I flashed on my own.
[Nexus 6  General] david279:
You'll get a update. Google pushes out the updates. It takes time....the ota build sent seems to be based on the sim thats currently in the device.
[Nexus 6  General] noudaniel:
US carriers disgust me...
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
So updated camera libs and a new ril prop in M
[Nexus 6  General] jbdan:
In layman's terms? :sly:
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Slightly better low light performance and close up. Proprietary til file could mean anything from updated for band 12 or radio interface layer improvement . closed source files so can't know exactly the changes, just that they are updated.

Pic attached of keyboard in front of me in a dark roon
[Nexus 6  General] knitler:
Are you comparing that to D? I hear that E also has the updated camera libs.

So E/M have updated Camera libs.

E has 98R radio

M/D have 95R radio

M has a new ril prop that D/E do not have?
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I compared against d and e. Don't care about radio, ril is a system file and yes it is newer
[Nexus 6  General] GTvert90:
Would be nice to figure out once and for all if they are really carrier builds or just many new builds.. Would at least clear up some confusion. Honestly it was probably the proprietary LTE stuff that slowed down the Verizon Gnex updates. Now that everyone has LTE we get this mess.
[Nexus 6  General] jbdan:
Thanks syk
[Nexus 6  General] frontlyna:
Someone on T-Mobile should just report there findings on stock M build.. I guarantee that if it includes Wi-Fi calling natively then that is a carrier specific build..
[Nexus 6  General] EmperorX:
WiFi calling is not in this. Should come in a new update (fairly soon from what I've been reading).
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
Than what? D? Or 5.0?

Because I notice a massive difference in low light between 5.0 and D. Expecially for the front facing camera. It used to be so dim that face unlock basically didn't work at all. On D, its much brighter.

---------- Post added at 02:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:45 PM ----------

More likely, there were just 7 builds between E and M that weren't released.
[Nexus 6  General] wattsja:
WORKED!! That is the first version that actually worked on a LONG time!!
[Nexus 6  General] Golf c:
Let's face it gentleman, this is another Google mess! Talk about fragmentation? I'm waiting till the dust settles.

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] maddoggin:
so where is lmy47m? is it a stock image? where can i get this?
[Nexus 6  General] aergern:
Use the E variant. It has all the same fixes and a better radio.

I just noticed AT&T is pushing out 5.1 to their Nexus 6's .. it's the D variant so that kills the "each carrier is doing a different build" theory.

E has the best radio and seems to be the most stable ... at least in my tiny, tiny sandbox testing. I've flashed all three.
[Nexus 6  General] maddoggin:
actually after flashing the first 5.1 update (lmy47d) i then flashed the second one that came out (lmy47e) but i noticed my lte would take long to switch on after switching from wifi to lte so i flashed the 95 radio. so im using the E system.img and boot.img with the 95 (D) radio. seems ok but still doesnt feel like im getting full lte service so i wanted to see if M would work better since its a tmobile build and im on t-mobile.

---------- Post added at 10:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:31 PM ----------

by the way all these different builds is so confusing. wtf google?
[Nexus 6  General] slider112:
Well this just makes it more Interesting. I'm currently on the D variant, on AT&T. Side loaded last week. No complaints, working well. Been debating jumping to E, though, for a couple reasons... generally high praise that I've read, across the board from users, and because it's the latest build that Google has pushed to their official factory images.

Are you on E with AT&T or TMo? Regardless, it's working better than D was for you? Trying to figure out if E may be better than D on AT&T.

Wow, that's a lot of letters. :D
[Nexus 6  General] R4INS:
E radio on att was iffy for me. Wasn't a fan went back to D. Also my WiFi on E was not working 100% or laggy and dropouts.
[Nexus 6  General] Intub8:
I also went back to D on at&t. I also seemed to have poor battery on e , possibly due to the radio.
[Nexus 6  General] slider112:
Thank you both for sharing your experiences, much appreciated. :good:

I may just hang tight and see how all this shakes out. Tough though, I've got the itch to tinker... :p
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
im on sprint and also went back to D due to very bad reception on E
[Nexus 6  General] maddoggin:
sorry got busy. im on t-mobile which is why i was thinking on going to M since its been released from t-mobile. but yeah i really noticed the difference in lte reception on E was way different than D. my problem was that after disconnection from wifi at home it would take a long time to jump onto lte. id get the ! symbol for a very long time. sometimes id have to toggle airplane or data for it to work. so im still on E ecept i just switched the radio back to D whuich is the 95 radio. (E=98 radio)

reading all these problems with swithcing bootloaders and bricked devices i think ill stay where im at for the moment! i already bricked one device using cm and got a replacement then i broke the screen and got another replacement. so yeah im stayin put for now.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
I am using 5.0 with an "M" on Verizon and see my phone lose LTE and then get it back all the time. I live where there is a weak signal.

This may be why it took so long to release the Verizon variant as at least 5.0 doesn't work great in weak Verizon 4G LTE signal areas and maybe they needed time to figure out how to tweak the radios. It reminds me of what my GNex does here. Once I update to the Verizon 5.1 version, I will report back.
[Nexus 6  General] kingston73:
There is no "best" radio so unfortunately your advice isn't great. It depends on carrier and area.
[Nexus 6  General] d3vilskid:
Surprised no one mentioned that the "m" build have minor improvements to smart lock and a new "on body detection"
[Nexus 6  General] wattsja:
"on body detection" is in the E build as well.
[Nexus 6  General] compuw22c:
I believe that's a Google play services /smart lock update. You'd have gotten it on 5.0 :P
[Nexus 6  General] d3vilskid:
Could be lol if it was just noticed it after i just install "m" my bad
[Nexus 6  General] mijkz:
Yep, I've got it on 47D.
[Nexus 6  General] vtmike:
Looks like at&t is updating to d.
[Nexus 6  General] xdatastic:
Just to add more confusion to this thread... Australian Nexus 6 are receiving LMY47I build. Contains same radio as LMY47D/M. No idea what's new or different yet.
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
interesting
[Nexus 6  General] Larzzzz82:
I'm on vzw and flashed the system and radio from the E image on Google. Look what I got now... Wtf lol
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
the verizon app?
[Nexus 6  General] rockinroyle:
I flashed E build on my T-Mobile n6 and I have visual voicemail app which I have to admit got downloaded from my previous device backup but I DID NOT have the T-Mobile my account app backed up but it downloaded to my phone regardless? I have no idea? My head hurts. :confused:
[Nexus 6  General] Larzzzz82:
The Verizon app. I used it and went into my account, still a non-vzw device. Thought maybe at least listed as Google's or moto's nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] Chad_Petree:
I'm curious to know, which version comes with the recently bought nexus 6 from the google store? still with 5.0 or 5.1 with the D build? :confused:
[Nexus 6  General] drawde40599:
Dose the "M" build Have this upgraded camera stuff ?
[Nexus 6  General] phoenixus:
So I hit up Google Nexus support and got escalated to a higher tier. I was asking what the difference was between builds (D and E at the time), and whether things were carrier specific or what. Also asked if since I used my Nexus on Verizon if I should be on the E build. This was his response:

"It is perfectly fine to have flashed the newer build of LMY47E on your Nexus 6. It just has a slightly newer radio that brings some network enhancements. Future builds of Lollipop will unify the Nexus 6 images once again in the future."
[Nexus 6  General] discstu37:
A little unnerving to go from D, backwards to 5.0.1 to sideload M (since the bootloader can't be downgraded, which was news to me once I attempted to do so!) I have not noticed much of a difference... Radio stability on TMO seemed fine on D, but I am seeing a full bar strength sometimes when I used to only have partial, but what that actual equates to, who knows. I've also yet to see any difference in the camera, I am curious if others were able to find something tangible from this. All in all, the thing I am curious about most is next update, will there be a M to new build OTA, or will I have to wait for TMO to push it (yuck) or re-downgrade to D or E since they are available on Google's image site and M is not (as of the time I am writing this).
[Nexus 6  General] Mrwirez:
I'm on T-mo, and I'm thinking this is much a-do about not-much.

Seriously------> Splitting of hairs WILL make ya nuts... ?

I think I'm just going to stick to the latest available image from Google's site, then I'm a rooting the stock image for more control.

Also, I really don't want "Carrier Specific" -anything though.

These Nexus devices SHOULD BE carrier neutral.
[Nexus 6  General] indianajonze:
thats an amateur move. set up the n6 without your sim card installed and that crap won't get pulled to the device. or just delete it. either way...
[Nexus 6  General] Larzzzz82:
Never claimed to be an Android guru. It is removable as I have already done so. Thank you Richard for your condescending critique, I'll try that next time.
[Nexus 6  General] twatts723:
Yeah but if T-Mobile offers WiFi calling guaranteed on all their phones, shouldn't we get that? Not trying to say that about THIS update, but just a general example. I don't know if Verizon and the other carriers have any carrier specific perks, but I loved my WiFi calling on my other phones.. js
[Nexus 6  General] treIII:
Probably i for international

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 6  General] xdatastic:
It doesn't stand for anything - it's just a sequential build identifier
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Using factory images you can downgrade the bootloader
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
From all I have read here, you can't do that w/o bricking. That was what was happening to people who upgraded to 5.1 bootloader and then flashed CM based ROMs that had the 5.0.1 bootloader in the zip.
[Nexus 6  General] xdatastic:
The bootloader is not downgradable from 5.1 - gives error on install with fastboot

To flash the factory images for 5.0, one needs to flash the images individually rather than use the flash-all script.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
The boot loader can be down graded..... I did that to sideload the ota.

I individually flashed everything except the userdata.

Again I was able to downgrade boot loader.....

I don't use flash all batch file
[Nexus 6  General] xdatastic:
Wouldn't let me flash the bootloader. I downgraded to 5.0 by flashing everything except the bootloader, then adb sideloaded ota file.

It's most likely that you tried to downgrade the bootloader, it failed (but you didn't notice), and then applied the ota (the ota doesn't care that the bootloader is a later version).

Maybe.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Nope it went through no errors....once all but user data was flashed I side loaded ota
[Nexus 6  General] aergern:
Indeed E is working better for me. I've had no issues with Wifi -> LTE -> Wifi. I get a stronger signal everywhere I use to have issues. My phone use to completely lose signal in the middle of my building where I work and now at least it stays on 3G/H. I get 4 bars of LTE where I use to get 2 bars. I'm getting faster speeds in normally good areas. I'm thinking unless I need the M version to get Wifi calling .. I'll be sticking with E for now.

I will qualify that I live in the SF bay area so based on that my experience may be different than say someone in a city that TMO isn't as strong.

Again though .. there IS no per carrier builds. The E build just happened to come out with the VZW release. It doesn't do anything that makes the handset a "VZWish handset" when I log into TMO it shows the Nexus 6 and I did buy it from them and this isn't because of the SIMcard. My nVidia Shield which shipped with an AT&T simcard but works fine with a TMO LTE simcard .. shows up with a ? and not a picture. I would expect this since it's a "bring your device to our network" categorized device. The M build may have files within the system.img that help with whatever but I would doubt it. And if Google doesn't publish as a factory image then it may just be TMO doing some bull**** branding. I still can't find a definitive diff of E vs. M. I'd love to read one but I don't think anyone has done this yet.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
I don't see one either....both have improved cameras.....e radio is not better than m radio for me anyway
[Nexus 6  General] buschris:
Does no one use Hangouts for wifi calling? works great here.
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
When that is true, the opposite could also be true. I don't trust providers.

So a specific variant would be slightly worse.
[Nexus 6  General] dodgebizkit:
Is it possible to OTA sideload from D to either E or M for the updated binary?

(I'm using a carrierless UK version with a GiffGaff*via O2* sim card if the carrier makes a difference to which build/radios should be used)

-----------------------<SiG>-------------------

My house phone is better than your iPhone.
[Nexus 6  General] xdatastic:
Not yet possible if you have a locked bootloader. All the OTAs discovered so far go from 5.0.1/LRX22C. Soon it may be possible as further OTAs become available, maybe.
[Nexus 6  General] discstu37:
Like others have posted, I got the error when trying to downgrade my bootloader from the 5.1 version back to 5.01. Unsure why you hadn't, as it's been well documented that it just can't be done. But in the end, it didn't matter as it didn't need to be done. What was unnerving is that I didn't know it at the time that the OTA would take without downgrading the bootloader. Just wanted to post to assure people that if you were trying to go from D/E to M using the OTA since the factory image isn't available yet could be done by just loading the radio, boot, recovery and system images from 5.01 and the sideloading the M OTA.
[Nexus 6  General] jayfried:
LMY47I?
[Nexus 6  General] wietse1988:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...gs-android-5-1-ota-roundup-for-nexus-devices/
[Nexus 6  General] stas333:
this is becoming a huge mess.
[Nexus 6  General] Pecata:
I agree, I hope Google combines all these builds into one image later down the road so we can avoid all this mess. That is why we bough a Nexus, so we don't have to deal with stuff like this....
[Nexus 6  General] phoenixus:
See my post on the last page. I hit up Google chat and he confirmed that these builds are not carrier specific, and that they will all be rolled into a single image in the future.
[Nexus 6  General] big blue:
I hope so! I'd also just like to find and E to M ota zip.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Should have been clear when I downgraded my boot loader it was to 5.0.1 then sideloaded the m ota