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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Galaxo60:
Just for you to know guys:

https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/cV4vDyyMmw2

Besides this, I'm really happy with the Lollipop update, it was a great improvement, no regrets here.

Hope Verizon bloatware doesn't ruin the update for the Turbo.

:confused:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 6Binford:
I chatted with a Motorola rep today. He said Lollipop for Droid would be in May, or June at the latest.

Where he came up with that, or how accurate it is, is certainly questionable. I'm just passing on what Motorola told me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Leraeniesh:
Well, that's disappointing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gibosn6594:
Freaking M (Mocha?) will be out by then.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
I doubt this is true. Motorola is not going to wait that long when the Pure Moto X is getting 5.1 soak or maybe OTA right now and 5.1 has been out for almost a month already. This isn't Motorola that's slowing it down, it's Verizon. I don't know why it's taking so long but I definitely think it's Verizon that's holding it up. I'm as antsy as the next person to get lollipop and I understand the frustration. I know we all thought the Turbo being release the day before lollipop is release that we would see it sooner. I think because it was a fault on Google's part with releasing a buggy OS and developers haven't had a chance to optimize their apps. Only 3.3% of Android users even have lollipop and most of those are probably Nexus users. When it gets released (hopefully sooner than later) we'll all be happy they took they're time to get it right. And I bet it'll run better on the Turbo than most other phones out there. Actually I feel this phone is still as good as any other out there as is. Lollipop will make it even more of a beast.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] nrage23:
My Note 4 got 5.0.1 today.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] terroh8er:
The Moto X on Verizon got Lollipop in November, Galaxy S5 has it, HTC One M8 has it, etc. I'm going to continue blaming Motorola for this. They are the ones responsible for making the firmware. If Verizon is holding it up, then Motorola should leak it or put Verizon's feet to the fire. We've gotten no estimated release date and no info on what is holding it up.

I question the 3.3% statistic, especially since the S5 just got it. Bottom line is that the other flagship phones have it *and* it was advertised as a phone that will be updated to Lollipop. Well, Lollipop has been out for six months and Motorola is silent.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mdav07:
My work phone is a LG G2 for Verizon an it just got 5.0 on Thursday. When my coworkers droid maxx is still on 4.4.4 . what's with that?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pnhst:
Lenovo moto not so good like google moto.. Sad face
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
They did fine with the Moto X and Maxx.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pnhst:
True. I don't disagree that there is some carrier mumbo jumbo in effect but that doesn't explain the moto x being on time. What's up with that. We can say its because its a VZW device or who knows but what's the motivation behind creating delays on some devices and not others?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Verizon has a lot of internal system issues right now, and I wonder if that's part of it.

By the way, 5.1.1 is on the horizon now.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aceofskies05:
Whats your source for the internal issues?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
My own account and a friend who is a Manager and is running into them as well.

In that they use these same people who handle billing and account issues to double as testers, I'd say things are probably taking a back burner to more pressing matters.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aceofskies05:
define "issues"
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/issue
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
Ahhh, the aroma of burning flesh. lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Haha. Nice one. Way to lighten the mood. This forum is beyond pissed off between lack of development and lack of lollipop. It made me lol though. Didn't mean this in any negative way. I'm still laughing
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I empathize. I've tried reasoning in my head as to why this is taking so long and that was the only theory I could come up with. It just doesn't make sense on it taking so long and there is nothing g hugely different from 5.0.x to 5.1 to account for it. If anything it should be easier due to native volte support.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
Wait for it guys, the battery highly improves on lollipop
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
They've been waiting, for 5 months. Now 5.1.1 is on the horizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yvmexcl:
the truth I think Verizon to sell Nexus 6 does not do the upgrade to the Droid Turbo Lollipop ... is pure mkt. a Droid Turbo 5.1 would leave the Nexus 6 without options
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I don't think so. Verizon isn't lifting a finger to market the Nexus, but is for the Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yvmexcl:
If you do not want to believe ... do not believe it ... it is a reality that the Nexus 6 did not sell as expected ... The arrival of Nexus 6 more to benefit the Droid Turbo it hurt ... no excuse. The Upgrade is not made voluntarily from Verizon
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds like you just agreed with me.

The Nexus 6 targets the phablet market and Verizon knows this. The Turbo does not. They would not hurt each other being on the same OS, especially since the Note 4 is on Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
No, in general Verizon and Motorola are doing it by sales numbers. And there were many more Moto X sold than droid turbos, therefore the moto x came first.

I don't think there is any conspiracy here...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
You are correct about the sales numbers. I do not believe that either Motorola or Verizon is holding things up intentionally. There must be some sort of issue they are having a difficult time with. We have a different processor and more memory than the other phones being discussed. I want a good clean update but at the same time I am seeing Sony and HTC upgrading phones to 5.1 today. It is discouraging.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Now we all wait for 5.1.1 ahaha but then during that mean time 5.1.2 then later 5.1.3 we still wait until android 6.0 ahahaha
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yvmexcl:
5.1 works perfectly on the Nexus 6 ... same hardware (CPU, GPU, radios, LTE, HD Voice, etc) of DroidTurbo .. impossible to be a technical problem ... is a very deliberate decision not update DroidTurbo for now . DroidTurbo sells well like this ... the Nexus 6 needs a plus on DroidTurbo (Lollipop) much inventory Nexus 6 in warehouse.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
We have already been through this. This was NOT a decision because of the Nexus 6.

Were that the case, the Moto X wouldn't have Lollipop either.

Verizon makes their money off contracts, not devices and they will spend more money and marketing Droid branded devices than any Nexus device.

Besides, the Nexus 6 aims at the phablet market ,and the Droid turbo does not. Two different target audiences.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yvmexcl:
moto x in united states sold to other companies even directly ... more competition ... the only turbo droid verizon sells ... more control ... and decide when no update
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Verizon has that same control on the Moto x.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] letsief:
That's not entirely true. Punit and David have both alluded to Verizon having more control over the Droid series than the Moto X.

Of course, Verizon could still block updates to the Moto X if it wanted.

There's lots of "conspiracy talk" around here. I don't think anything strange is going on. Moto found out Android 5.1 would have VoLTE support. For that reason, they decided not to spend resources porting their old Android 4.4 VoLTE code to Android 5, waiting on the Android 5.1 release. That seems reasonable to me.

Android 5.1 is still new, so despite the similarities between the Nexus 6 and the Droid Turbo I think it's unrealistic to expect the update already. It's also not clear yet what will be different from the two builds. The Nexus 6 doesn't have full Advanced Calling 1.0 support- only VoLTE (i.e., no video calling). Maybe Verizon wants to add video calling to the Droid Turbo build to avoid losing a feature they've promoted.

Hopefully the overlap between the Nexus 6 and the Droid Turbo protects us against the problem the 1st gen Moto X/Droid-2013 series are running into. They're only referring to "partner support" issues that are holding up the Lollipop update. That could mean multiple things, but some earlier posts from David Schuster suggested that they're not getting support from the SoC vendor.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It absolutely is true. Verizon has full control as to when or if the moto x gets updates. That was the context of my comment.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Symbiontsoul:
Man, I'ts like i'm back in the Bionic forums........Deja Vu.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
I know right
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] speedfreak228:
Lg g3 receive 5.0 today

Main reason I purchased this phone was that i figured it would get lollipop quickly, oh and the battery
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joeriv5692:
I've literally given up on waiting for 5.1. I don't think I'll make the same mistake and buy another Motorola flagship phone again. Shame on Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] giant25:
Haha, I said this SAME thing a few months ago and got ripped apart for it. Guess I wasn't off base after all, thanks for validating my frustration...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
Google just released full source code of 5.1
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
What do you mean? Its been on AOSP for a month.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
As [MENTION=1415579]adrynalyne[/MENTION] said, the source has been on AOSP for at least a month. The "r5" is just a new "revision" of it, meaning there were a few bug fixes and feature improvements to the previous revision. Given the amount of stuff that Motorola modifies (not very much, most of their cool stuff is at the kernel level), adding in these extra changes for the Turbo should be a piece of cake.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
And now the 5.2 rumors are starting.

https://plus.google.com/+RobWatkins/posts/MLBWx1SroJS
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
There are already sdk sources for 5.1.1 which is a higher api level than 5.1. I doubt 5.2.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yvmexcl:
point for me, does not update the Verizon Droid Turbo by a trade issue
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jhall8:
I don't consider customer service reps as good sources for this type of info.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] danger2u:
first 5.2 for Nexus

then for Droid turbo or others

but i doubt we will see Lollipop untill May
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It will probably be 5.1.1, not 5.2.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
No point for you, because we cannot really understand what you are saying, and your previous assumptions were incorrect anyway.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
I don't care anymore . I'm so tempted to take this phone back smh Verizon fumbles again
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
I like the phone but yes Verizon and Motorola have let down their customers. I honestly don't think they care. We are few.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
What sucks even more is seeing other older phones on verizon and other carriers getting lollipop and we haven't heard anything. I'm becoming increasingly disappointed. Still a great phone but I bought it day one thinking top of the line specs "flagship" and future proof. Now I'm thinking dead end and switch to T-Mobile.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
We will be be getting froyo! Ahahha but from yogurtland edition. Lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] nrage23:
Nope Droid Turbo is going from 4.4.4 to Cupcake 1.5. They transposed the numbers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Haha. Gave me a good chuckle. I guess cupcake could be worth a shot. Maybe it would help the wifi on this phone
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sincerity:
Fwiw I have been to the land of LP with s6 and I am back to turbo! Ah yes battery life! LP will be nice but only if it doesn't drain our batteries
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hockeyplayr:
5.1 on the nexus 6 (verizon specific variant) is smooth without any drain. Think it was wise that moto is waiting to push 5.1 for the turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
FYI, there are no variants. Verizon just labeled that one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kenbrownstone:
I did this.....Got a nexus 6 too..T-Mobile gets 20-40mbps Verizon 1-2mbps...That's right for 7 years I was with Verizon and had no clue until a couple months ago
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Thats the difference between 4g and 3g.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hockeyplayr:
I thought each build such as E, M, etc was tailored toward a different carriers radios?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Its still the same hardware though. Exactly, sans Verizon only carrying the 32gb blue.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
And I would too but I'm afraid TMO doesn't have 4G where my parents live which is the only thing holding me back. But I'm also getting tired of this Turbo Lollipop wait when it should've happened already (really halfway through April and not a peep?) I'm really getting close to walking away. I hate it because the Turbo is so good. I don't even know what phone I'd go to. Just a "hey everyone I know you're all waiting for Lollipop but we're getting close and should expect to have it ready by (whenever)". I just would like to know is all. Harumph.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Maxx already have thanks to [MENTION=2228410]Skrilax_CZ[/MENTION]
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
With 5.0.x binaries.

Of course, none of this is relevant to this thread. Lets see the Maxx with retail 5.1.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
So I'm thinking I might ditch the phone/vzw and go to t-mo and a nexus 6. Anyone care to talk me out of it? Done with waiting for something for a carrier exclusive and watching all these other phones get lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
What exactly are you missing not having lollipop? Or is it a keeping up with the neighbors thing?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
I think it's the combo of wanting a nexus, wanting lollipop, leaving Verizon, saving money on bill, and t mobile plans, and everything that comes with having a nexus. I love the turbo but I just think its going to get left in the dust sooner than later.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
I have a nexus 6 sitting unused on my night stand (need to eBay it). I hated it... Way too big for me.

But seriously, each to their own. I would be on T-Mobile too if they didn't have such bad reception in many places I travel to.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
5.1 is really something to look forward to. That said, I've a feeling it will be a better experience on the turbo/maxx than in the nexus 6. Motorolas enhancements really are missed on the n6. The nexus 6 feels better built but I think in reality qwark is the better device.

I won't give up the n6 though because it is a far better development device.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
You were all right, just read 5.1.1 could be coming out any day, google seriously screw up lollipop release
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
What you read is based on some benchmark devices. They list LMY47S as 5.1.1.

There are so many things wrong with this, namely that LMY47S is the same build date as 5.1.

The S is just a variant optimization, be it radio or some carrier specific item(s).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
5.1.1 is out!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAnd 5.1.1 is out!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
With the same build date as 5.1. I wouldn't get excited about it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yvmexcl:
I think we should start a campaign on Twitter advertiendo other users do not buy Droidturbo or Verizon .. is the only way that we will be heard

Verizon lies not buy #DroidTurbo not updated

something like that

If all users did noise, minimum force them to verizon their reasons

Someone start a tread ...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Well I feel like a tool. The turbo is the last one in the house to get lollipop. My nexus player has it, my wifes S4, my 2012 Note 10.1, and my 6 year old sons nexus 7 got it. How freaking sad is that? My 6 year old has had lollipop for a while and today the OTA for 5.1 came through. Really felt like a big slap in the face. I seriously wouldn't doubt if my Droid X has it before the Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pmekdahl01:
Hey everybody, good news. I was talking to a rep through their stupid chat system and I asked em to jam a lollipop down my phones throat, and guess what, they said they would! That has to be sign!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JasonJoel:
Really? Because your phone, which works perfectly fine as is, hasn't gotten a stupid update?

If getting updates as fast as possible is so important to you, then you should only buy completely unlocked or Nexus devices.

I think I'll just take a break from this forum for a while (you're welcome). I just don't get all of this whining and 'keeping up with the Jones' mentality.

Lollipop adds very little (I have 5 devices with it). People should quit freaking out about it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Whining about whining.

Comedy gold.

5.1 adds a considerable amount for those who spend a little time being observant. A good performance increase for one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
\

No., I'm actually hoping it fixes some small bugs like the ****ty wifi
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Shtiff1:
https://zetahertz.wordpress.com/tag/xt1254/

Found this site we'll see.
[Moto X General] Smash2Bash:
Thanks for all of this, so I went head first in and installed the soak test on my XT1053. I know I'll be okay if install a flashable ROM when it is out and made. But how could I ever check to see which boot loader has the higher number and... Also what are the "GPT.BIN and MOTOBOOT.IMG" is that the boot loader and... Kernal?
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
The GPT.BIN is basically are partition table.

MOTOBOOT.IMG contains TZ.MBM (trusted zone) and other parts including the bootloader.

I'm not 100% sure how to tell exact "version numbers" of the components. But just able to tell they have changed.

It is safe to guess that IF the files have changed in newer build numbers of the ROMs, they are updated.
[Moto X General] sorullo_xgrx:
I have a x1060 but since I switch to T-Mobile and went ahead and flash the leak BR soak test. I have a 30.BC bootloader version
[Moto X General] orinokio:
Ok. I read the post and I have one question. I recently installed CM12 and was flirting with the idea of going back to stock 4.4.4 (XT1058, telcel Mexico). I also have nand backup of my rom. Does this mean it's not safe for me to do this? or does this warning applies only to this update? Or maybe I can sidestep to the brazilian soak test (since its also a XT1058 and telcel may take forever to update and I'd much rather be stock). Also my bootloader version is 30.B7.

Sorry for the silly question and thanks in advance.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
Stock Moto 4.4.4 -> CM11 -> CM12 -> Stock Moto 4.4.4 via same SBF originally on the phone is fine.

This is because CM and most 3rd party roms do not touch GPT.BIN or any parts of MOTOBOOT.IMG.

However, going from Stock Telcel XT1058 running 4.4.4 -> Brazil XT1058 4.4.4 SBF -> Telcel XT1058 4.4.4 SBF could be problematic depending on if the GPT.BIN and/or Motoboot.img files are different versions between those roms. (if BR's GPT/Motoboot are older, you wont be able to flash it, and risk bricking... or if BR SBF GPT/Motoboot are newer and flashes fine, and Telcel's GPT/Motoboot are older, you wont be able to flash back to Telcel).
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
Thanks, I'll add that to the table.
[Moto X General] alexhdkn:
GPT.bin and MOTOBOOT.img are the same even for 4.4.4 brasilian or 4.4.4 european? Because from what I understood, the booloader version of 4.4.4 brasilian is the same ofr 4.4.4 european, so if bootloader version of 5.0.2 brasilian will be the same as 5.0.2 european, those who have tested the soak test won't have problems switching back!
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
The Bootloader version (30.B7) is the same for ALL 4.4.4 roms, but GPT.BIN and motoboot.img appear to be different in some roms.

Even with the same bootloader version, we've seen issues caused when flashing gpt.bin and motoboot.img that are not the same. Usually it varies when the build numbers vary.

For example: XT1058_OI-BR_4.4.4_KXA21.12-L1.29.1_2_cid12_CFC_1FF.xml vs XT1058_CLARO-BR_4.4.4_KXA21.12-L1.26_62_cid12_CFC_1FF.xml (I highlighted the build number).. because they are different build numbers, they could possibly have different GPT.BIn or Motoboot.img files, with the OI-BR having the newer. Meaning, if you try to flash the XT1058 Claro on the XT1058 phone running the OI-BR rom, it could fail due to GPT.BIN.

Where as XT1052_RETAIL-ASIA_4.4.4_KXA21.12-L1.26_18_cid7_CFC_1FF.xml has the same build as the Claro SBF, so chances are better the GPT.Bin/Motoboot will be the same.

Keep in mind, I haven't taken apart nor have I flashed every rom to prove exactly which are newer, older, etc. BUT I have taken part in rescuing phones where the owners have tried flashing and run into the issue, so I'm reasonably certain if the build numbers don't match, the GPT.BIN/Motoboot.img will be different.

No matter what though, it is Always risky to flash a ROM not meant for your phone's model and carrier.
[Moto X General] Al936:
KidJoe, thanks a lot for your excellent OP!

It would be very helpful if somebody found a way to identify GPT.BIN/MOTOBOOT.IMG versions BEFORE flashing to the phone (just to extract the versions from the files somehow). I have tried to find some info and/or utility which can extract bootloader version(s) but without success...
[Moto X General] s5610:
KidJoe, thank you for good inside, but can you tell us what exactly will happen if one will flash back 4.4.4 (30.B7 bootloader), being on 5.0.2 (with 30.BC bootloader)?

Will it blendbrick?
[Moto X General] sorullo_xgrx:
If you already on 30.BC you can't go back to 30.B7 it will just fail. And you will end in no boot at all
[Moto X General] gulshanstrider:
If you downgrade your boot loader your moto X will become a paperweight. So better to stick with 30.BC. If you want to go to stock then you have to wait until anyone release the original SBF file which is compatible with 30.BC. (which will take some time)
[Moto X General] jainendra94mandavi:
SUMMARY

So the summary is there is no way to downgrade the bootloader once upgraded, and if anyone attempts, the device will hard brick(becomes paperweight) and there's no way to recover.