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[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I just tried taking snaps during this night, using two different softwares: stock camera and DSLR camera from PlayStore.

Samples:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qyxlyjcar8fzbo4/Beach Night.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] gharris040604:
[MENTION=291702]jauhien[/MENTION] what settings
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I was trying two setting types in both cameras: auto and night, and no flash..
[One (M9) General] clsA:
Thanks man, those were nice I really enjoyed them
[One (M9) General] alray:
To answer your question in the other thread (which was closed by a mod) yes i'm planning to get one but probably later this year. I was excited to get one at launch but unfortunately had to spend 2400$ to fix my car rear diff. So I'll have to wait a few months and keep my M7. :(
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
What about this one pictured in indoor light conditions..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qqk1ecvv88g85uy/Renault.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] alray:
haha no thanks, I'll keep my subaru, much more usefull for snow conditions here in canada.

:laugh:

indoor pictures arent that bad btw, better than the M7
[One (M9) General] clsA:
I'll still be hanging out in the M7 forums on occasion ... sorry about the Auto repair bill

I sold my M8 to help offset the cost of the M9 ... I still have my 2 year old M7 as a backup
[One (M9) General] alray:
thats a nice backup phone, i still use my motorola v3 razr as my backup phone :silly:
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I just twice snapped my as I now know very dusty table: the first time with the NATIVE CAMERA and the second one with DSLR CAMERA app..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2zdld5dlyus7l4/Dusty Table Stuff.zip?dl=0

P.S. Whence I begin to believe that with the next OTA, M9 native camera should deliver additional 30-40 % of its inherent quality..
[One (M9) General] augie7107:
Just throwing my opinion in the ring. I've been with Sony for awhile now, last HTC phone was the Aria. I'm both impressed and satisfied with the M9. It truly is a top of the line device.
[One (M9) General] conceptics:
Here are some pictures of my M9. Enjoy.

For those interested, shots were taken with a Nikon D800 and AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 lens.

M9 is stock, running Nova Launcher Pro and on that particular homescreen, you have Zooper Widget Pro and Simple Calender Widget Pro. Wallpaper is Wave. Icons are made by myself.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
@ jauhien

How can you compare the screen with M8?

I had to put my glasses to play games and put brughtness to 100% if I wanted to read small text and even battery percentage, I don't have this problem on the S6, what about the M9?

Screen under sunlight is better?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I fancy that's something how each of us see the world around :)

As I have read on different Android/htc forums: 60% of those who came from M8 believe that M9 screen is better, when other 40% - that it's the same.. I personally fall into the first category.. :)

P.S. I always keep 100% brightness the otherwise is in me felt or associated as poverty :(
[One (M9) General] ntflc:
a bit disappointed about M9, mostly for 810 )-:
[One (M9) General] Prasad:
Likewise. I had high hopes for a great return to HTC. Just didn't happen. While most of the phone is amazing, the dragon is a definite problem.
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
[MENTION=291702]jauhien[/MENTION] hey man, if you dont mind, i would like to know your opinion on colour accuracy of the photos. Are the colours in the photos accurate? Also, how is low light performance (without flash, with/without HDR)?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Image # 15 was taken without HDR, image # 17 - with HDR.

Image # 04 - with flash, and image # 10 was without flash - just office style ceiling tubes shedding limited and cold light.

I see the world around me colored a bit more vibrant than m9 photos show.. however can't demand from a thumbnail size camera capturing it with 100% accuracy.. :)

Furthermore in a couple weeks another OTA containing updated camera software will render yesterday's snaps into kinda rubbish and shame :)
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I don't own any decent camera though, used something ugly found at work, then edited the image hence it somehow resembles m8 & m9.. :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gr8wyyabzm1mili/IMG_20150321_081320.jpg?dl=0
[One (M9) General] afhum:
How's the M9's back's texture feels like?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
There is no any explicit texture at the back of the handheld, or in some other words I do not feel anything particular..

But confidence whilst using it that smartphone won't depart unexpectedly from my hands..
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
This is good!

Because the M8 is like a soap in our hands :eek:
[One (M9) General] nebulaoperator:
Jauhien,

Thanks for sharing photos with us. I have been using Iphone6 for the last two weeks because I am still waiting for decent results from M9. I am HTC fan and God is a witness if camera performance gets better I will get M9. I know, everything apart from camera, is simply the best in android realm ....It is getting better but there is plenty of room to improve. For instance outdoor images are dim and white balance is clearly off. Indoors detail is getting better and more defined though smudge + noise still visible away from focus epicentre . If only noise were but I simply can't stand smudge that reminds me of bad Sony camera algorithms. I think HDR is on the strong side here having light well spread across highlights and darks( A little overblown in the highs but nothing to be concern about) I am photoholic and very picky when it comes to camera performance by now you should notice it. Coming from M7 I fully appreciate stereo sound and hardly can compromise it. Fingers crossed !

Edit:Hate to say but found S6 images here. . This guy also did M9 photo session. https://www.flickr.com/photos/61515670@N05/
[One (M9) General] ke9n:
Look like decent photos but not good enough for my taste. I'm a proud owner of an M8 but am very close to picking up the S6 when it becomes available- something I never would have imagined myself saying a month ago.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Hi!

I took a few more snaps here now.

The day is windy, and the air is filled with dust from the Arabian desert nearby..

The plants are shivering due to wind..

In the underground garage it was really dark..

Most of the images were taken without flash - unless it's obvious otherwise..

No HDR snaps there..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nltksfha16lgtcb/Desert Livings.zip?dl=0

Shokran,

J.
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
Hmm, what I gathered from these photos are:

1. S6 intensifies the water's blue colour, while M9 seems to make it look purple

2. Green is also intensified in S6.

3. In daylight shots with a dark-coloured object against the bright background (assuming no HDR), M9 tends to brighten the photo AND wash out the background. Dark areas on S6 remain very dark while bright areas remain accurate. This could just be an issue of autofocus on which area.

4. OIS makes a huge difference during video recording. Video was jerking in M9, video was relatively stable in S6.

Main takeaways: M9 brightens the photo, albeit by too much. No OIS means you need to have stable hands for EIS to work well

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What I gathered from your images, sir, is that the M9 seems to like brightening photos. This gives a washed out look to many of the photos. When this happens, many intense colours e.g. red don't look as accurately intense as they should be (can you confirm colour accuracy, please?)

Basically, what i said in the post above

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Also, I saw a Taiwanese forum and found that low light shots (mostly night shots) tend to make details grainy and oil-painting-ish (alot of noise). Perhaps, this is due to the new Toshiba sensor, or the poor software optimisation of it.

http://m.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=566&t=4315203&p=1
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
The pic of the Jeep had something in common with the LG 2 watercolor effect I remember. Have you had any updates that change anything in the pics? What I remember of the M8 camera was the ability to create your own templates so some of what I maybe not like I can change myself and use as default mode.

Sent from a mobile gadget...

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Thank you Btw. Lovely city, the views is just breathtaking!

Sent from a mobile gadget...
[One (M9) General] nebulaoperator:
[MENTION=4681885]grrrr_unt[/MENTION]

Hmm, what I gathered from these photos are:

1. "S6 intensifies the water's blue colour, while M9 seems to make it look purple. " You are so damn right that famous purple fringe here again. It seems M9 also don't maintain ability to reproduce blues of the sky and greens of the grass in both on ground and on the water reflection. It all seems seems narrowed to muted green\yellow tint.

2." Green is also intensified in S6." It is indeed. I also noticed greens are more accurate on S6 though saturated.

3. "In daylight shots with a dark-coloured object against the bright background (assuming no HDR), M9 tends to brighten the photo AND wash out the background. Dark areas on S6 remain very dark while bright areas remain accurate. This could just be an issue of autofocus on which area. " M9 dynamic range reminds me of my M7. Wash outs tendency. It also tends to lose detail in highlights basically interpreting it as a single bright grey blotch.

4." OIS makes a huge difference during video recording. Video was jerking in M9, video was relatively stable in S6." Something can be done in software but I sincerely doubt HTC will sort it out because they could improve it in M8. OIS makes such a difference. My M7 does brilliant job when it comes to OIS.

"Main takeaways: M9 brightens the photo, albeit by too much. No OIS means you need to have stable hands for EIS to work well" It reminds me of the light spill on the lens. I was working with one photographer he had similar issue until he found out he had too much spill from the bouncing light in the studio. Subjects in his photos suffered from wash out, lack of detail and healthy range of light value throughout the spectrum. In HTC case it could be lens it could be sensor. Could be both and software.

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Hi jauhien ,

Thanks for taking timing to update. Please don't take it too deep into heart since it's your new phone and we all fans here of HTC. However I have to be honest despite close ties the brand.

First image stroke me as if this image was back from 2003. This year I came across my frist in live phone camera Siemens CL55 . My first instinct tells me wipe off camera lens I had bad shots with my M7 if lens were dirty. Wash out, smudge, loss of detail in general. I wonder if taken smudge from the equation would we have noise all over the image . Probably. I can see Jeep was taken at 1/9 shutter speed and ISO 0f 1600 which indicates you were pushing camera hardware. Sadly to me that indicates sensor's incapability to read information at the low light.

While it produces better images in the range of 50-350 ISO there is a sense of over all wash out. Flashlight gives clear and visible boost to the image. Images come to life.

Panorama looks muddy and a bit detail unresolved and a bit colour off.

IS it M8 in IMAG0074 image? Why don't you take same images with M8 and throw it to the batch so we can compare?! That would be great.

Thanks again for taking time and sharing your experience with us.
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
I am currently trying to get in contact with HTC to relay all these feedback to them. I hope they eventually take the feedback into account and improve camera performance via a future software update
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
From what I understood from people who used the demo units, HTC was focusing greatly in improving the camera and release OTAs everyday, though from what we can see they failed to touch the one thing that can do all the difference: jpeg compression! A 20mp photo taken with M9 is about 4-5mb while a photo taken with Note 4 16mp is 6-8mb.

jpeg compression kills the pixels and increase the smudges, HTC should do something about it
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
Wasn't the M9 supposed to take RAW pictures?

PS I'm not so sure if the JPEG compression is indeed the problem. Unfortunately it seems the camera is not the best. Of course HTC cameras always need a bit of tweaking in order to produce better results, so I believe changing some settings and post process will give better pictures than the ones we've seen, but it's still not on the same level with the iPhone camera or the S6 camera.
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
Ohyes, that as well! I noticed the jpeg compression as well. I'll relate this to them if HTC gets back to me!
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Please do not take it deep into your heart..

Just let know if you indeed read my post where the file containing PANARAMA & JEEP snaps attached?
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Hello bro!

Can you take photos with a camera app that can take PNG or BMP photos instead of jpeg just to see if it's the jpeg compression that is criminal?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I do not own any decent camera.

This is a snap taken in the same darkness of the underground garage by HTC M8.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kp08xrrpttpybsj/IMAG0433.jpg?dl=0
[One (M9) General] nebulaoperator:
My bad. Sorry. I looked again at your first batch from the street . Image looks fine. I did some gentle colour and light editing . Let me know how far is it from the true? Here is the link: http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/nebulaoperator/IMAG0039 adjustment.save.as_zpsmd4gp1kt.jpg

Garage shot M8 shot looks better than M9. Still on the smudge side but better.

Thanks
[One (M9) General] th3:
There's too much muddiness, smudge, grain and noise with areas showing chroma and typical out-of-focus blur. I find it hard to believe the M9 is this bad. I really do

Colour reproduction, saturation, exposure and white balance are also off by a wide margin.

Some of the day shots look good, until you zoom in.

That case of More crappy pixels vs. Less quality pixels.

Still many thanks!

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[One (M9) General] jauhien:
All those no doubt should be fixed with the next OTA..

Life is only one. I swear the handheld is outstanding !!!

P.S. I am sorry, Ill say the truth: I loved my HTC M8 - now I can't look at it.. M9 unexpectedly turned out to be so much luxury in each and every way..
[One (M9) General] th3:
If you hold them both side by side, highest brightness... Which screen looks better?

(View some photos or vids please)

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[One (M9) General] thanosart:
I'm wondering if there is a protective coating on the camera lense similar to the m8.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Hi!

I am to answer your question.

But please in return explain to me one thing either..

YES, when I am looking at M9 screen at a sharp angle - it dims 4-5 times.. when M8 screen is the same bright at sharp angle as at the right angle..

NOW please educate me: Is it bad that the screen is dimming at sharp angles? Because I indeed interpret it as an advantage of new screen..
[One (M9) General] Adam182:
I've just looked at my M8 at a sharp angle (for the first time ever) and it definitely dims a bit.

Not an issue at all aslong as its bright when viewing head on and has no bearing on the quality of screen at all - Adam
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
I think you are talking about viewing angles, if they dim (color washing) then it's not a good sign, older Sony Android phones were bashed because of that
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
If I hold them side by side with the highest brightness on..

I see M8 screen having slightest-slightest reddish-purplish tint, when M9 screen appears having slightest-slightest yellowish-greenish tint..

But overall M9 screen looks very decent, and even may say matching "material design" :)
[One (M9) General] myself11:
Thanks for all taking the time for answering all the questions. :)

Still regarding screen quality, if you had to pick a winner, which would you choose: M8's screen or M9's screen?
[One (M9) General] themuffinman:
As far as the screen goes, two of the same phones could have different screens. So comparing an m8 to m9 may not mean anything. I have two m8's in front of me right now and the color reproduction between each screen is totally different.
[One (M9) General] th3:
Yea, that applies to every review out there too, though.

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Cheers mate!

Which looks brighter?

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[One (M9) General] lopri:
I personally would take yellowish-greenish over reddish. But some of the traditional criteria evaluating LCD displays are not as important on smartphones, IMO. Viewing angle, for one, is important for a display that weighs 100 lbs and is static, but smartphones are always moving at users' disposal, so its importance comes down to individual habits and environments.
[One (M9) General] Nemeth27:
Are there apps that allow you to change to Kelvin temp of the display? Way too blue for my taste, which makes the camera look even worse!! I really want to like this phone, but I might just keep my M8. Sad day. Anand just ripped the phone...... :(
[One (M9) General] th3:
You can keep your M9 and give me your M8 [emoji13]

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[One (M9) General] Nemeth27:
Lol...I.meant keep my M8..lol thanks!!
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Yesterday also my colleague got this handheld due to delivering real luxury experience, hence now shifting from his iPhone 6.

P.S. Some device itself snaps here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wqc6mrusm0i9q30/New M9.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
HTC M9 beats M8 in every way and aspect. No kidding.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Update screenshot..
[One (M9) General] p50kombi:
Any chance you can get your hands on the official m8 car holder and see if the m9 fits in there or whether I need to buy a new one?

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[One (M9) General] herwegan:
[MENTION=291702]jauhien[/MENTION]

I guess you'll get the 1.32.401.15 OTA today, could you please share the OTA zip here before you install it?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Actually no ground for such guess - the relevant screenshot has been posted by me four posts ago..
[One (M9) General] herwegan:
Ouch, ok too late i guess :/
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
It's several days as I am transforming my digital life from M8 platform to the M9 one.. :)

Can't help sharing my emotions re this incredible but strong music hardware - thanks a 1,000,000 to Dolby (in fact HTC M8 in its time was probably # 1 either)..

OK; a piece of advice for those who are going to live 2015 with the best handheld which no doubt feels in your hand as piece of gorgeous jewelry:

Step 1. Get Neutron Music Player from GP.

Step 2. Spend couple hours of your life going thru Neutron's SETTINGS and set it right.

Step 3. Enjoy overwhelming and mind-blowing audio experience.

J.
[One (M9) General] p50kombi:
Good to see someone who's really happy with the m9 after most reviews came back pretty negative...

So I guess you can't get your hands on the official m8 car holder to check if it fits your m9?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
OK. Let me attempt helping you.. :)

I did not see that particular holder you're referring to.. however my HTC M8 hard plastic case fits M9 just fine.. :) (the only discrepancy is not possible to press M9 power button).. :)
[One (M9) General] p50kombi:
Thank you for your reply.

This is the holder I was referring to, it's the official HTC m8 car holder.

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/official...vV7yfbOsceNbt4G9X-duFfGYdCDmiQXrHqRoCzSnw_wcB

It's going to be interesting to find out if it works or not.

If I'm the first to find out, I'll be sure to inform others :)
[One (M9) General] th3:
D190 in car holder... I have it too, so interested.

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[One (M9) General] Genetic517:
[MENTION=291702]jauhien[/MENTION] have you noticed any improvement in battery life with the new OTA update released today? Or any other changes for that matter
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Can't actually complain..
[One (M9) General] afhum:
Can you show us both the battery usage and history details as well? Thanks!
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
No probs..
[One (M9) General] Genetic517:
What was your screen on time? On wifi? Lte? Share the details! :D
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Screentime with 100% battery after 5 and half hours?

I don't know what you're smoking there but if you still have some more please share :)
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
And I promise the "Google Services" will vanish away from this chart the same day TWRP for M9 released.. :)

J.
[One (M9) General] afhum:
It looks like you slept through out with no screen on [emoji16] looks good though.

Your display screen is ok with you? You mentioned it dimmed when seen at an angle. Dimmed sounds much better than being washed out .. as in too bright.. Or whitened (due to its backlight).. Like the ones on Desire HD and Sensation.

Cameras definitely still undergoing continuous updates/patches from HTC. Too bad first impression counts especially for average customers who seek early reviews.

Btw, can you find a 64GB version in your country?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I am not using much my screen-on-time when sleeping.. :)

The screen, if you look at it from a very sharp angle, dims i.e. becomes darker (or greyed). BTW that was the first time in my life to look at smartphone in such strange way.. (I really appreciate I am not asked here to dip it into the lavatory for example and to check how it appears looking from down there..)

P.S. 64 GB version isn't available in Dubai at the moment.. otherwise I already own it :)
[One (M9) General] Genetic517:
If you happen to get a full days use out of it can you post battery details? I'll share what I've got if you do.... :cool:
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Current software information:
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
I know we are asking too much from you, but maybe you should install GSAM Battery monitor and take some screenshots from there. It has better stats for the battery than the stock Sense. I always use it with my phones.

Then we could see more convincing stats about your usage and power consumptions (Screen on/phone calls etc).

Thanks again for all your info.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Setting Motion Launch..
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
I own a nice JBL but last week I am really enjoying this Dolby Audio facing me :)

It is no comparison to any of those former and obsolete Beats/Boom/Harman_Kardon/etc - I have tried all of those.. but the cutting edge hardware and Dolby's input matter..
[One (M9) General] Nemeth27:
What player is that?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
If you want to physically hear (enjoy) what HTC M8/M9 audio hardware can perform - you have to buy this:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mpeval
[One (M9) General] Rebkos:
Does this player offers something, that PowerAmp doesn't?
[One (M9) General] Nemeth27:
Any advice on settings?
[One (M9) General] p50kombi:
My advice is...take an hour or two.. :)

I've used Neutron in the past and although it provides superb audio, it is a pain to configure/setup....

I can't disable android lockscreen controls on neutron, so I gave it up in the end and opted for poweramp.

I need to disable android lockscreen for headset droid to function properly with my configuration of my headset button ;)
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
My advice is...take a day or two.. :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ds9qe8pwe1scaks/Neutron.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] PlatinumNick:
hey is there any way at the end of the day to post battery and on screen time after a full days use try to use the phone as much as you can to see the best on screen time you can get.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Not me - may be someone else..

I do not play computer games, do not watch TV and do not post battery consumption screenshots with on-screen time..
[One (M9) General] zaaye:
That is curious.....