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[One (M9) General] dre-z:
It's a very superficial review. No new facts or critical analysis. It is the datasheet in a flowing text.

In summary, they describe the smartphone as the more complete solution compared to the previous model.

I can translate specific passages of the review if you want, but I don't see much sense in it. Let's wait for the reviews later this week.
[One (M9) General] th3:
They are showing better camera and video performance but worse battery life (than the M8)

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He's a troll, but he's not lying about everything.

He's just trolling off the bad HTC press.

Smaller transistors are gaining far less in power savings but have far greater current leakage problems (that's the heat). Then, even if you have lower latent heat content, you have many more trannys in the same area, so more localized heat and it all becomes accumulated into hotspots. Any one hotspot can overheat while the rest are far cooler, and its these smaller die + hotspots that are difficult to control on smaller processes.

This doesn't just apply to TSMCs process but to Samsung, GF, STM, Intel, IBM and everyone else.

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[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Looks like a paid review by Jeff Gordon as an answer to the Tweakers review, it's superficial and non based on real facts like nits and viewing angles, just saying it's a wonderful screen LOL.

Can't wait for next week reviews (GSMArena, PhoneArena,Gizmodo,BGR,Cnet...)
[One (M9) General] th3:
It's a generic review but I don't think we should be going that far about the reviewer [emoji6]

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[One (M9) General] lopri:
At this point, it may be closer to reality that Samsung had no choice but to go with Exynos, with mutual understanding from Qualcomm, than Samsung tried to save money by betraying Qualcomm or some such.

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That is a complete misconception started and spread by Intel shills for their miserable Ivy Bridge CPUs in comparison to the excellent Sandy Bridge CPUs. Smaller chips are generally cooler running at lower voltages at the same performance level. Smaller chips with defects or otherwise not-so-ideal design are the ones that heat up to cook bacon, locally or globally.

What is true is that once a smaller chip pass the development stages, and unexpected overheating is discovered, it can be harder to fix that smaller chip than to fix a larger chip. But again it has nothing to do with the general trend that smaller process yields more power efficient chips. (see Apple's SOCs)
[One (M9) General] th3:
That's not a misconception, its foundation semiconductor physics [emoji6]

Smaller trannys cramped in same die area are harder to cool, and run hotter due to current leakage and localized heating. A lot has to be done to circumvent this EVEN if your silicon draws less power.

I'm talking about process node and you seem to be talking about mass production chips user temps.

The FUD online with Intel chips was something different.

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[One (M9) General] lopri:
I also think we are talking past each other in some sense, but let me try anyway.

If you believe smaller chips are harder to cool then how would you explain Exynos 7420 (14nm) running cooler than Snapdragon 810 (20nm), when both sport the same architecture? Now if you compare Snapdragon 810 to Exynos 5433 (20nm, same as S810), you will see more comparable thermal profile and performance. Apparently Qualcomm's implementation is not as mature as Exynos' yet so even Exynos 5433 might run somewhat cooler than Snapdragon 810, but the similarity will be more readily visible as you task them with identical workloads.

On the other hand, if what you are trying to say is simply that smaller area dissipates less heat larger area - well, yah. Larger heat sinks work better than smaller ones, everything else being equal. But that isn't exactly what I expect to see argued on this board, and it has little bearings in the context of semiconductor's performance. They are not heat sinks.
[One (M9) General] EndoSurf:
That made me giggle, thanks :D
[One (M9) General] th3:
Yep. Different topics [emoji6]

Not necessarily

Nope

Lookup chip power densities, passive silicon hotspots, junction/subthreshold leakage, gate tunnelling and current leakage challenges with shrinking process nodes. That's what I was talking about.

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[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
Well said, my friend, well said :) *claps*
[One (M9) General] PlatinumNick:
Phone comes out next month how do you know there reviews will be coming next week?
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Actually the M9 is coming out next Monday in Taiwan
[One (M9) General] Rage1ofakind:
I play Clash of Clans on my M9. No stutters no nothing. Game runs smooth :)

I also listen to music from my device nearly everyday, an hour or so going to and coming from work. The sound level has definitely improved. I listened to the same song on my HTC One M7 & Samsung Tab S, n I'm sure I could notice the M9 had a clearer / louder output.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
HTC M9 vs Note 4 Camera test!

Needless to say the M9 has under and over exposed photos, green tint,noise and smudges

[YOUTUBE]watch?v=lUoJPQGkPqk[/YOUTUBE]
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
To be honest I liked the M9 more than N4 in most daylight photos.

The problems were in the flash photos and in the night video where N4 was much better.

The reviewer also said that M9 focuses better and that it's pretty good.
[One (M9) General] th3:
I tested Clash of Clans... low CPU/GPU usage game. And it runs without problems.

Demanding action and racing games suffer. In fact, even moderate resource usage games. And the reviews are showing why (HTC throttles the GPU to 50-60% speed)

These problems are too well established by now. Nobody except fanboys try to suggest otherwise. Photoshop lovers can rectify some of them in post-processing.

I've just had the M9 on the HTC Fast Charger... At 16C ambient. It does make the M9 heat up a lot, right at edge of hold-ability.
[One (M9) General] Duncan1982:
I'm using the fast charger and have been since Thursday and its been fine, where as my M8 does heat up, gaming I don't do, the camera is fine for my needs.

I'm not saying the M9 is perfect but for me I did and would again choose it over the S6.

Oh and before you shout fan boy again,

I have at present the Xperia Z2, Lg G3, Note 4, M8 & M9.

Most of my previous have been Samsung's.

Its stupid to throw that Fanboy out there as you would have 0 idea as to what other users have.

Just because one may not agree with you doesn't mean you can say "fanboy" all I'm a fan of is a device that makes me happy.

Be it a Samsung, HTC, Lg or dare I say it Apple :)
[One (M9) General] th3:
Are you suggesting it does not heat up a lot on the fast charger?

Please be clear.

I didn't call you a fanboy so it's stupid to think otherwise. I don't think you are, they made themselves clear before M9 launch, attacking everyone with an opinion different to theirs. Overhyping the phone months before release and then becoming a laughing stock at launch, now doing damage control everywhere. The pack bullies.

Company fanboys hide, play down, muddy or blatantly lie about the phones reality, misleading honest, objective answer seekers, when compared to other phones the product competes with. It doesn't matter what brand they can buy. And yes, such are blind fanboys.

You can buy what you want, and opine what you want, but facts are facts and they're crystal clear this time. No one has the right to mislead others about the reality of a product compared to its competitors in the face of overwhelming evidence. Every professional review has made the M9 position clear, and it's definitely not a good one for 2015.

As long as you don't say something totally against science, factual evidence or something crazy wrong, I wouldn't challenge anyone's opinion. Everyone has a right to it.

You like your purchase? Good. Its not the best, but suitable to some. Enjoy it :)
[One (M9) General] elvinrush:
I would say thingS get hot when gaming and charging, enough so that if I play plants vs zombies 2 and then try to charge the m9

straight afterwards it will refuse to do so. the phone stops charging after a minute or two. This is with the moto Turbo charger

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[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
I'll probably order a M9 anyway. I'll use Internet order that will give me 14 days to try and money back if I'm not satisfied. I can't say I'm totally satisfied with what I have been reading about battery and heat but at the same time I'm fairly sure those specific points can be fixed, to a degree. If I'm not satisfied I'll go for the S6, but hopefully not because I've never been a fan of TW and probably never will be. It's not bad but I have to many flagships lagging with it and it's almost funny how much time you have to spend making it a bit smother. I'm looking at you my dear, lagging, Note 4 now without a trace of Samsung apps.

Edit. I looked around for newer camera comparisons and unbiased as I am, I rhoygyt that the M9 ain't bad att all when the conditions are right, the pics with manual is really good also.

I just ordered one and shall compare it with my Note 4 and iPhone 6 plus. Not impossible it goes back after a week but I will let it show me what it can do. Camera is important but more so is smoothness , my few games sound and books. The battery seems to be a bummer thought, nor sure I can live with either S6 or M9 really.

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[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
One thing that hasn't been mentioned much is that it appears that HTC is distributing almost everything that they add to this phone on top of Android as an app that is downloadable from the Google Play Store. One of those apps is called HTC Service Pack which seems to provide a lot of potential for improvements over time without having to wait for firmware updates. The controversial camera is also an app.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
That's true. Hopefully they update needed things pretty fast. SOC wise I imagine they need some help from qualcom. Somehow it feels like they have pretty much to loose in the long run.

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[One (M9) General] iceboy1988:
please answer

If anybody Play Clash Of CLans plz answer :

how long play CLash 100% charging to 0% ? 4 example 4 hours or higher ?

and

when You play a lot M9 is heat ? like 45'C or higher ?

plz say because i plan buy M9 or Note 4
[One (M9) General] PlatinumNick:
already preordered mines. getting rid of this NOTE 4
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
I did it myself 20 minutes ago :)

I'll keep my other phones until I know I'll stay with it. But if I'm satisfied I'll be really happy with it i think.

It's still a mystery for me how Samsung always use the latest hardware but can't get it to work with their software.
[One (M9) General] PlatinumNick:
to tell you the truth one of the main selling points for me was just looking at the development section of this forum lol my goodness theres already like 5 Roms for this device already which are all very good. so whatever HTC gets rom Im for sure these devs will get right lol
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
True. I just found IncertCoin and that's what made me push 'buy' :)
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9137/the-htc-one-m9-review-part-2
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
They were pretty negative with the M9

48h to go before the M9+ unveiling :fingers-crossed:
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Yep. Downright negative. Anandtech and gsm arena is two sites I like to read so it's a bit sad. The thing I haven't heard anyone said before was the slow auto focus and refresh rate , a few reviews had pointed those out as realy good.

Anyone read about slow autofocus before?

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[One (M9) General] jonnycat26:
The HTC Service pack can't address firmware/driver issues.
[One (M9) General] Sachinfan:
The reason why Anandtech and GSMArena tests are so damning for M9 , because these two sites offer the most comprehensive testing in the business.....Most youtube tests are mere eye-wash and so are the web reviews.

To be fare though, these two are little too detailed for a common man and leads to un-necessary confusion and that is where those easy reviews do well....
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
I'll say that GSMarena is one of the few sites not bashing the one all to bad. They not overly impressed but it still better than Sony :)

"While the images aren't as spectacular as we've expected, the results came out better than other 20MP shooters, say Xperia Z3, and are a huge improvement over the 4MP UltraPixel samples taken with the previous HTC One (M8) model."

The thing is that most things bad can be fixed by software and hopefully more mature drivers amd advise from Qualcom and my hope is that those arise fast. HTC for sure lost the reviewers but they still can fix the worst stuff quick.

Camerawise I'll already seen pretty good results and shutting down smearing, sorry sharpness, is also mentioned in the arena article. It's not rocketsience to either fix it yourself or waiting out HTC.

I imagine that imaginewise it just will be better from here.

The sadest part is the SOC really, I'll be really upset if they release ver 2 in a month. With those numbers there is no way Qualcom could have its rep undented if they not fix the problems quick.

I imagine a better and more optimized kernel can do pretty much here, at least for the battery. What were seeing right now is the quick fix. But how could they release it this way?
[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
What's strange tho is that the 810 is going to be in almost all phone for 2015. HTC is also unvailing the m9+ which features the 810. If it were A hardware issue, with all the complaints they got with it already, why would they continue to use it? Thats including other manufacturers as well.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
I don't think they have any choice. Development for a new modell is at least 6-8 month, and that's agile fast. Sammy could develop their own chip but for htc, LG, Sony there is only Qualcomm or the upcoming makers.

I noticed that the LG Flex 2 has similar battery so more and more phones released with the 810 puts some pressure on Qualcomm. Hopefully they're working hard coming up with mature drivers and not dropping the 810 for a better or revised model...
[One (M9) General] AndreiLux:
The G4 seems to have a 808 and the M9+ uses a MediaTek chip, so no, they're mostly not continuing to use it.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
If so it looks like the 810 is a dead end. Sad for the oem using it. Interesting about mediatec, the development will be scare but the mx4 behaved well enough. Hopefully they go for a better GPU this time though, the mx4 didn't like GPU benchmarks :)
[One (M9) General] tmac31:
Do you know clock speeds of 808? I doubt it can be faster than s805 in cpu part if it will have similar freqs like s810. Even gpu probably will be slower than adreno 420
[One (M9) General] th3:
AnandTech - M9 Review Part 2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9137/the-htc-one-m9-review-part-2

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[One (M9) General] AndreiLux:
1824MHz on the A57's, 1440 on the A53s. GPU will probably be slower than 420 yes, but might not affect game performance as much as you think.
[One (M9) General] tmac31:
Cpu will be slower too i think. But single core power will be better. Im sure gpu wont change alot since games mostly run on 1080p which is ideal for adreno 418. But i just doubt will they go for s808 since benchmarks worth alot in marketing these days.
[One (M9) General] jah:
Good review here http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2015/03/htc-one-m9-review.html
[One (M9) General] JrWriter87:
https://twitter.com/upleaks/status/584696781365096448
[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
the m9+ china version is using the mediatek CPU the US version is the 810

Even so, vendors could opt to use the 808 instead.

im still debating on getting the M9, M9+, or keeping my M8. either which way i go, i was plannng on keeping it for ~4 years at least. so if there are that many issues, i will have to rely on the dev support, or just stick to mine
[One (M9) General] King p1n:
The m9+ isnt coming to the US.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Yep if we believe the leaks the snapdragon version will never exist, butterfly effect all over again
[One (M9) General] Joplisan:
Front panel material?

I've watched most of the reviews (if not all of them :)), and majority are saying that the front panel is now made out of metal as well. AnandTech, ARS and a few others are saying it's plastic. Do we have a certain information by now, is it plastic or metal? I watched a few drop tests, and sometimes it bends like metal, the other time it just looks like plastic, so I really can't tell. Thanks in advance! :good:
[One (M9) General] Large Hadron:
I handled one that was turned-off the other day: the back casing was cold, the front panel was not. So while it's a good fake metal (or maybe plastic with a thin metal cover), I'm sure it's basically plastic.
[One (M9) General] Adam182:
This also confused me, I was hoping it was metal but the temperature difference suggests otherwise - Adam
[One (M9) General] Duncan1982:
Well I'm also in the confused club (I thought it was metal, trying to test by every sense, smell, touch, sight, hearing :P

There is that sense of metal so there for I'll say its metal even though that might be a placebo :P
[One (M9) General] hung2900:
Andrei, do you have a M9 now? Will Anandtech have a part III for M9? After reading your reviews on Anandtech, I think the M9 review is quite poor :(

P/s: Will you do the CPU part of Galaxy S6?:) I really want to see the improvement of Samsung on Exynos 7420 over the 5433:)
[One (M9) General] AndreiLux:
I won't be getting the M9 but I'll review the Flex2. S6 probably too at a later date.
[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
Obviously. And?
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
It looks like the F2 struggles with the same troubles as the M9?
[One (M9) General] Duncan1982:
From what I have read its similar but on the Flex 2 its lags and stutters, where at least my M9 is smooth. I don't game so I may find lag there who knows :P
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
It's a feature copyrighted by Samsung and copied by LG. ..
[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
whats really keeping me from buying this phone is the poor battery life and overheating chip. i was thinking, when real dev starts on this device, a kernel that will disable 2 of the 4 A57 cores and just undervolting will solve the heat problem. performance in benches and games would probs increase aswell, because of the significantly less heat thats produced. OR even 2 A55 cores disabled and 2 A57 cores disabled turning it into a quad core. i mean lets be honest, is there really a need for more than 4 cores on a phone?
[One (M9) General] Genetic517:
If HTC can't fix the battery issues in future updates, a kernel is our only hope. If it can't be done then I'll have to look at the LG g4 or maybe keep my m8 for another year. I really love the m9 (also a big fan of HTC, but not loyal by any means) so I hope this can be done! Ahem [MENTION=4684315]flar2[/MENTION] :p
[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
disabling 2 A57 cores would just turn it into a qualcomm 808. same everything.
[One (M9) General] PlatinumNick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0DJp2fsEEM

lol awesome review
[One (M9) General] Duncan1982:
Haha quality, wasn't sure what to expect when I clicked the link :P
[One (M9) General] Cryosx:
If it means better battery life you can take my 4 A57s :)
[One (M9) General] Genetic517:
100% this. Phones don't need 8 cores. I know it's been said already but it's overkill.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
At last the most awaited Review from MobileReview

With Russian to English: https://translate.google.com/transl...p://mobile-review.com/review/htc-one-m9.shtml
[One (M9) General] jmcamz2899:
MKBHD just uploaded his review. http://youtu.be/5x6DELO6Sz4
[One (M9) General] th3:
Talk about a thorough review, wow!

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[One (M9) General] gavinfabl:
My review is now live along with awesome camera shots http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-review-part-1/
[One (M9) General] th3:
Thanks mate! Those pictures!!

Quick qs:

- Did you buy your M9 or were you seeded (by HTC or someone)?

- What sort of lighting and settings did you take those macro shots with? And how many retakes?

- How much photo editing has been done? (Do you have originals)

My M9 is not capable of anything similar, no where near possible. This is concerning. Even the colours you're getting are NOTHING like other reviews and my own unit :/

You don't seem to have the green tint nor the washed out colours and crappy white balance, smudged pixels, and focus problems. Yours are perfect! Something major is missing here.

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[One (M9) General] gavinfabl:
http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-review-part-1/ my master review.

Answers. My own M9. No photo editing. Review states that too. Hardly any retakes. I'm familiar with the HTC camera app. Before I took photos , I spent some time exploring shooting random things to see how each mode and or tweaks affected the shot, before going out for real. Macro shots done with the excellent macro mode. Also tried the bokeh mode, personally prefer macro mode. At end of review is link to my M9 Flickr album. Also clicking on each photo is actually a link to Flickr. I also created my own camera mode. Saturation +0.5, contrast +0.5 , sharpness -0.5. I saved this so it was a good as using auto. The camera is freaking awesome.
[One (M9) General] th3:
Wow! Those pictures are ****ing awesome.

Thanks...

Either your review unit is super good or ours are all duds.

I use better settings than you (even less NR), more retakes. We have completely different cameras.

This is something major.

Do you use it as your phone or are you willing to do something new? (Like exchange with mine :))

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[One (M9) General] gavinfabl:
Thanks for the compliments. I wonder if we have same software build. Mine is v1.32.401.15.

There is no magic in my handset :)
[One (M9) General] th3:
Yep.

HTC themselves gave it me.

Are your shots with Manual or Auto mode?

There can always be QC problems at hardware ODMs which results in such differences. Other than that, I don't know anything that can account for so massive differences in pictures between most professional/consumer reviewers and minority consumer reviews.

Because if your phone suffered from the common errors in most review and shipping units, you as an end user couldn't do anything about it. They'd be greeny, out of focus, messed colour balance, blown highlights, etc. And you'd see it without even thinking. Clearly your unit doesn't have any such problems at all!

I'm on my way to work at StarBucks but I'll post a quickie to show you from my laptop (booting it up now). You posted a flower macro... I sat here over 1 hour trying to get a better pic with my M9, it just wasn't possible in direct 18C sunlight. The colours and focus were just always wrong (autofocus - macro). I had to use manual flower focus to get any flower detail, which made everything else out of focus and blurred.

Normal Macro shot in sunlight (that's the best of 13 shots... it was always re-focusing and blurred)

Your typical shot (and yes, it's steady, it's on a stand):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7tUzzvDfypQWnJTaHVJZVIwXzg&authuser=0

The best of the shots when focus decided to work a bit:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7tUzzvDfypQcUpsNjJVUjVkN3M&authuser=0

All very poor until I decided to manually focus, but even then:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7tUzzvDfypQa2hrLVhHRXREVFU&authuser=0

Settings: M size, Sharpness -1.5, Contrast +0.5, Saturation +0.5, ISO 200 (rest auto)

You see the M9 struggling with metering, colours and focus.

Random tech store shot:

M9: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7tUzzvDfypQQ0ZzbF92S29VQms&authuser=0

M8: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7tUzzvDfypQVWdUNDNpQ1k3ZlU&authuser=0

M9 white balance, totally off. I mean, that's the best of 3 takes.

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