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[ONE General] Heisenberg:
You're using perfect logic. That isn't welcome in this thread, haven't you been reading?

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Why not? Because even with the disclaimer people will be screaming "Ermahgerd, it's full of bugs". Honestly, people just need to get the hell over it. You wanna punch them in the face because you didn't get a smartphone update? Really? There are much more important things in life.

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[ONE General] y0bailey:
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Thanks for the life lesson dad. Keep it up.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Any time.

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[ONE General] TheROMGuy:
You're like my favorite person ever on XDA.
[ONE General] :
speaking of any time:

heres opos new oxygenpowered flying phone

https://oneplus.net/gamechanger
[ONE General] jcarcinogen:
April fools.
[ONE General] gsmyth:
Latest update on the update below...
[ONE General] therebel88:
Apparently the CEO of Cyanogen thinks we should all calm the **** down....SERIOUSLY?!?!

https://twitter.com/cyanogenone/status/583050631729958912
[ONE General] Jole7:
go for custom roms and stop waiting for official updates.
[ONE General] Logic717:
This is exactly what I did... and guess what... all I have to do is restore my nandroid backup when the official OTA comes out.... The fact that this phone has such a robust development group AND is so easy to root and flash... suffice it to say, a year later, I'm still in love lol.
[ONE General] pbergonzi:
Ploy?

Am I the only one who thinks the 5 free phones was a ploy--a sort of spin to put on the fact that they knew it was gonna happen before it happened, and then came out with the "Commitment" announcement and reward of the phones as pre-emptive? As in, "it's okay we didn't tell you in advance as long as we give out the phones?"

I'm not at all angry that the release is late, and am anxious to see it, because I know how well they did with both the phone and the included CM--I am however displeased in thinking that they tried to gloss it over in advance.

These are however, growing pains, and this company is very young. I think their aims are good, and they will make fewer mistakes like these in the future.
[ONE General] extrem0:
They should give 5 opos for each day passed without any of those OS.
[ONE General] mr_raider:
Is there a general consensus on the most stable lollipop based custom ROM righ now? CM 12 nightlies?
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
There's a sticky thread dedicated to this subject at the top of this section.

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[ONE General] pinoymutt:
Wow, just wow. It's one thing for folks to banter at each other in the forums and say something like this, but it's a whole different animal for a CEO of a professional company to do it. Regardless of his feelings, this is just wrong on more than one level in terms of professionalism.

I've got to give it to the folks at OnePlus -- they screwed up, but at least are taking it in the chin, even despite some really nasty stuff being said in the forums (even some personal attacks against Helen, the head of OP Mobile), and I'd even understand if she lashed out at some folks -- but they seem to be at least publicly attempting to be a professional as possible when communicating.

CM on the other hand.....
[ONE General] vandizzam:
I don't think we're going to see the update this month either.
[ONE General] the Doctor:
Still nothin'
[ONE General] kolyan:
So I decided to try CM12 nightly and having issues with signal and data. Some times it goes out completely for several seconds and other times I don't get LTE unless I reboot...I am on T-Mobile USA

Perhaps you or anyone else might know how to fix it? I know there is Alpha modem floating around but I am afraid it will bring other issues, at least now on 44S modem my phone works most of the time.
[ONE General] ataft:
Would get more help in the CM12 thread.
[ONE General] Jole7:
I have the alpha modem and it's working great for me full signal all the time, my rom is SlimSaber 5.0.2
[ONE General] ChobbyNS:
If i understand that correctly.

Modem in cm12 nightly and alpha modem are not the same?

I have issue that when i go out of range of wi fi router phone doesnt automaticaly connect to cell data.

I need to turn on/off airplane mode to get it to work.
[ONE General] TheROMGuy:
T-Mobile just has crap frequency bands for LTE, I had LTE for one day before they switched the frequency band to a band I couldn't use on the Oneplus.
[ONE General] Jole7:
They are different. Alpha modem is a bit older than cm12 nightly newest modem (21-03-2015) alpha modem is from (16-01-2015)

for me alpha modem works really well. Here is a good thread about them: http://xdaforums.com/oneplus-one/general/guides-mmwolverines-opo-mods-tips-tricks-t3027926
[ONE General] ChobbyNS:
Thanks a lot,I will read that.
[ONE General] Jole7:
You're welcome!
[ONE General] AcmE85:
Quick heads-up from Google+. Steve Kondik made a couple of posts yesterday regarding the update...

(MR1 update means Android 5.1)

regarding nightlies and stock rom:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SteveKondik/posts/Ctw6yTtrGdy
[ONE General] bozzykid:
The release will be 5.0.2. I assume Steve is talking about the latest SDK which includes the updated test suite.
[ONE General] AcmE85:
I know it will be 5.0.2. Steve said

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Which implies that they are already working on the next OTA after CM12s is pushed which will then be based of Android 5.1.
[ONE General] L2_n19h7m4r3:
I'm amazed both CM and PA still have jobs. It will come when it comes doesn't fly in the real world. Set deadlines, meet deadlines... welcome to being an adult. #asshats
[ONE General] Franc38:
Well, that's more kiddies or students' world. Adults work on the "when it's ready" base, in this industry. Or they set lonnnnnnnnnnng deadlines.

A simple matter of quality.

But it seems a lot of people here prefer a bundle of horse dung early to a almost bug free release later. At least that's what they say. But then I'm sure they'd complain bitterly about any minor bug... All of that on a free ROM...
[ONE General] L2_n19h7m4r3:
FYI, neither CM12S nor Oxygen are free ROMs.
[ONE General] fmc000:
Really? How much do they cost?
[ONE General] Franc38:
Yep. They are free but not fully open source.

Unless you or someone else pays for them. In which case I'm sorry to tell you, you've been swindled!
[ONE General] samdu:
It doesn't actually work that way in the gaming industry. Games are routinely delayed because development is taking longer than anticipated. Every once in a while a game is released before it's ready, due to pressure from the publisher, but those rarely turn out well. I'd personally rather they get it right than get it soon.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Lol. Yes they are.

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[ONE General] ahaq:
haha not free
[ONE General] fmc000:
Seriously, guys. What are you on?
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Care to elaborate on that? Never mind, I will. Cyanogen OS is not paid firmware, you don't pay a cent for it. In fact, not even OnePlus paid for it, it was licensed to them completely free of charge, this is well documented in several articles written about the subject. Oxygen is also completely free of charge, it's being offered as an alternative to CM12S, available to download and flash manually at your leisure and at no cost at all. You're not paying a single cent for either.

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[ONE General] extrem0:
Can you point to this document? I'm afraid the matter is who pays for it. I doubt Oneplus isn't paying a cent to either Cyanogenmod Inc nor OxygenOS developers. If you think that way, we customers are paying indirectly for those OS. I can't tell for sure if Oneplus isn't paying, but I hardly doubt they aren't.

Is Touchwiz, Sense, or even iOS free?
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Sorry, I don't keep links to every article that I read. I know at least one of them was an interview with Steve Kondik on Android Police, it was done about a month or so ago.

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[ONE General] the Doctor:
Oxygen OS and in all likelihood CM11s/12s will cost you a OnePlus One. The cost to develop O2 is rolled into the cost of the device. On CM11s/12s, see below.

It's hard to make claims like this. You pay for all kinds of stuff that you probably don't know about or want to, like advertising. The consumer has no control over how a company spends the money they earn selling stuff. In this case, with the Oxygen OS developers being on OnePlus's staff, The consumer is ultimately paying for the ROM.

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I couldn't find any evidence to support this claim or an interview of Steve Kondik by Android Police on the subject. I don't think we know what OnePlus is paying in licencing fees:

Source

My guess is that if an NDA is involved, then someone is paying something.

I think the bottom line is, ultimately the consumer is paying for it. CyanogenMod is incorporated now; they want to make money. They entered a licensing agreement with OnePlus to provide a service and aren't willing to discuss cost.

It's neither here nor there in the long run. You can run CM12s or Oxygen OS for no additional cost once you have the device. But, TANSTAAFL.
[ONE General] angus242:
You can go here and get CM11S without paying for it:

https://cyngn.com/support

It might not work on any other phone but you can surely download it without having to sign up, register or pay for it.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Here you go, it took me a while to dig up, but this is at least one of the articles that confirms that Cyanogen OS has been licensed for free. Apologies if anyone searched for an Android Police article, I got it mixed up with Android Central.

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This. And the exact same will apply for Oxygen.

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That's kinda like saying that Paranoid Android, Carbon, AOKP, all cost you the price of a phone, the logic just doesn't work.

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[ONE General] kurtextrem:
HYPE
[ONE General] the Doctor:
[slow clap] So, no pay, no benefit just so you can defend the point that it's "free." You can walk into Wal-Mart and look at all the stuff for free too if you want. It's ALL free :rolleyes:

The bottom line is that everyone who can use it bought a OnePlus One. The money they used to pay for the phone is going toward development of at least Oxygen OS and probably CM11s/CM12s.

Still no link.

Bad analogy. It's like saying the same about TouchWiz or Sense.

BTW, you can download TouchWiz here for free if you want.
[ONE General] ryaneu:
The CM12S and OxygenOS are NOT free.

You have to be invited to receive the updates.
[ONE General] ABHISHEKSR:
Oxygen OS coming near you today :P

https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/an-update-on-oxygenos-and-cm12.285917/
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Yeah you do, what does it cost for an invite again? And when Oxygen becomes available what kind of payment will they be taking?
[ONE General] the Doctor:
That's a bit vague... which one, or both?

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You paid for it already, whether you download it or not. But you can click the link for no additional payment.
[ONE General] gsmyth:
I'm assuming oxygen as thats on their is update thread on their forum, cyanogen has said its basically very close, but suppose it could be out to.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
No, I paid for a phone running CM11S in July last year. This was months and months before they even mentioned Oxygen.

If you're really suggesting that the cost of the development of Oxygen is being factored into new handsets, wouldn't you expect there to be a price increase? Or is there some other service that's been ditched to make way for this extra monetary inclusion? The fact is this: Oxygen is not stock firmware for this device (not a single One is being sold with Oxygen pre-loaded), it is being offered as an alternative, like any other custom ROM out there, that's all it is, another custom ROM.

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Oops, here it is:

http://m.androidcentral.com/steve-kondik-india-micromax-and-oneplus

No, Sense and Touchwiz and both stock firmware, Oxygen is not stock firmware. OnePlus have clearly stated that it's just an optional custom ROM for people to use if they want to.

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[ONE General] the Doctor:
What difference does being "stock" make? The developers are still on OnePlus's payroll.

This is not that complex. OnePlus is paying their developers. The money they are using is either coming from sales revenue (consumers) and/or investors.

I know you won't concede my point above, so I'll concede yours. Maybe the money you spent on your OnePlus One last year isn't going toward Oxygen OS--it's already been spent by them somewhere else, probably designing accessories you're never going to buy.

/useless argument

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Interesting. Steve Kondik doesn't seem to be bound by the NDA the same way OnePlus is.
[ONE General] ParoHugoKutti:
It's released https://oneplus.net/de/oxygen enjoy
[ONE General] Franc38:
Yeah the argument is useless. By your definition (someone other than the "customer" gained or will gain something) free is a word that shouldn't exist. Not even the love of a child to his parents would be free.

White I sort of agree with that notion (self interest being the sole motor of the world) the fact is you don't have to pay to get that ROM, and your phone will work just as well if you don't get any of these ROMs... Bottom line, it's free doesn't cost you a dime and therefore is more than childish complaining that it's made available to you (again, at no cost borne by you) a few days later than originally expected.

Sure, it wasn't very clever to announce hard deadlines, but some people need to grow up a bit.
[ONE General] kurtextrem:
I can't see what's so special about Oxygen... in its current state it looks like a highly cropped Cyanogenmod... More like for people which aren't happy with stock, but don't need all CM features?

Still waiting for CM12S. I hope it's coming today as well.
[ONE General] h.debnath:
5.0.2..? Garbage.
[ONE General] Renosh:
Weirdest comment I've seen in awhile. You have made my day
[ONE General] kurtextrem:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-cant-wait-oxygen-os-already-released.289879/

CM12S will come today as well it seems :)
[ONE General] Setting.Out:
:( Oxygen is disappointing.. And to think how much I paid for this release.. lol.. Guess I'll go buy another rom from the ?store?..

Anyone have a link to the rom store?.. Ha ha
[ONE General] gsmyth:
You kept your receipt right? [emoji6]
[ONE General] the Doctor:
Or not...
[ONE General] Setting.Out:
How do I organize the return?.. Just upload the rom?.. This is just too complicated.. I'm going back to a rotary phone.. :D
[ONE General] kurtextrem:
LOL, yeah.. Seems like the mod who replied didn't have a clue.
[ONE General] kolyan:
Thanks

Installed latest CM12 modem....will see how it works
[ONE General] angus242:
Screenshot of closed (and deleted) thread
[ONE General] ahaq:
Come on guys relax now! Anyways so need to extract the radios / modems from oxygen. Whoever is running oxygen please let me know did the signal improve for the network compare to cm 12 nightly
[ONE General] :
Let's all get along OK.....and if debate is needed, do it constructively and respectfully. Or take it to PM's.

Deal?

Thanks, thread cleaned.

Darth

Forum Moderator
[ONE General] MiliWanili:
Cool, I'm gonna stick to CM S, hope it's coming today like they said. Still have some worries coz last update ruined my battery life :(
[ONE General] chaka809:
I use to get 1 bar at home now I get 2 sometimes even 3 so I will say yes it did improve
[ONE General] ahaq:
I agree also drastically the new modem imoroved
[ONE General] Jole7:
Hahahahaha Lol!!!
[ONE General] abhibnl:
Well bro, as the OP team already said, the initial release is just a plain AOSP barebone featureless version. They'll add stuff with the upcoming OTAs. C'mon guys i mean it's the initial release. Hell the initial CM releases also has features missing. Features will be added with time but the only thing i liked about the build was smoothness and image quality.

Well it was all a mistake from the mod. :( No idea still when they will start CM12s OTAs.
[ONE General] :
I really wanted a pure aosp. No issues so far, but haven't been able to extensively test obviously. Gravitybox is working mostly well, some features are nonfunctional....
[ONE General] freaky deaky:
i just came here to write the same thing.. chill out guys, OOS will be pretty cool one day.
[ONE General] Setting.Out:
Previously deleted comments, made this post more meaningful.. I was teasing on the basis of cost and buying ROMs, not just having a go at Oxygen.. That being said, the amount of bugs is disappointing, not the vanillaness of the rom..
[ONE General] abhibnl:
Well somehow, i'm also disappointed for the bugs part. I can understand and i appreciate they are putting so much into their own rom but even after 5 months of lollipop release, the first build should have almost bug free regardless of how many features it offers. For e.g. a user reported that while watching video on oxygen OS, he received a call and he wasn't able to pick it as the screen wasn't turning on and the video was still playing in the background. So they need to avoid such critical bugs that too when they took so much time for the first build and majority of the people has their hopes set too high on this OS. But i'm sure the next updates of OxOS will make things better!:good:
[ONE General] :
Been using the ROM all day, haven't noticed any major bugs. Played multiple videos using amazon, Netflix, MX player, YouTube. Had some hangouts crashes in background but not much else.
[ONE General] :
perhaps they should have an open source approach where the community can fix bugs they fail to fix :)

thing is, the bugs are google source bugs, not necessary Paranoid Team caused
[ONE General] SentryMescudi:
Hello, someone has experienced a random reboot on OxygenOS? I had two, one night (I was not using, on Roma earlier that I did when I was using) and there a few minutes. I'm tired I thought it was going to be resolved because according to them it was a wifi driver problem that was mentioned in the fixs of OxygenOS. EDIT: and 3 ...
[ONE General] extrem0:
Did you restore any apps? Maybe a cleaner build is better. Also, maybe you didn't wipe system and data before flashing OxygenOS.
[ONE General] SentryMescudi:
I did a wipe cache, data, and system. I'll try later to do a real full wipe. And I noticed that it rebooted when he was in charge
[ONE General] smoki3:
Source G+
[ONE General] mrjhnn:
#Not.

Sent it From outer space.
[ONE General] the Doctor:
Link?
[ONE General] sendhiloo7:
Spell mistake in the screenshot. "Installation"..
[ONE General] smoki3:
Lol on g+ they told it was fake
[ONE General] Restorer:
These kids go to so much trouble to make it all look kosher but get let down by the fact they can't use a spell checker in Photoshop. So funny on so many levels :p.
[ONE General] abhibnl:
Well i'm sure thing will improve with time. I guess they just need time to add things and make this OS more mature.
[ONE General] :
Just a note that most of the gravity box features are working...
[ONE General] abhibnl:
I'm just waiting for Lord Boeffla's kernel for this ROM to be honest. Once that is released, i'll flash this and thanks for the report. It's a big relief that gravitybox is working. It's a must have for vanilla android roms. Long Live Android Community, Long Live XDA>
[ONE General] marvi0:
So which between the two is smoother performance wise please?
[ONE General] Jole7:
None of them search for custom roms and you will see speed and smoothness.
[ONE General] fermasia:
Respectfully, I see no point in grabbing Oxygen OS that's still too unstable and deploy xposed onto it to make things even worse. Oxygen is nothing but a modest beta, and now when 12s comes out it will only make OPO look even worse.

To their defense, it's hard to fight Cyanogen with strong devs, and a giant manpower community behind them (come on, tell me 11s wasn't 90% cyanogenmod). But regardless I don't endorse Cyanogen's business practices, it's an unfair battle right now.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
CM11S was more like 99% CyanogenMod.

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[ONE General] :
Respectfully, what are you even talking about. Been running oxygen for 2 days and its as smooth as can be, and haven't had any noticeable bugs with heavy usage. Why post baseless assumptions?
[ONE General] Eeelgen:
Calling it unstable isnt really fair imo, but there sure are some bugs.

Auto brightness could use some work and that bug with volume drops on certain BT headsets that was fixed in nightlies months ago are pretty annoying.
[ONE General] :
Yes, in all fairness I haven't use BT yet and I don't ever use auto brightness.
[ONE General] the Doctor:
It's hard to know what unstable means anymore. It used to mean that the software locks up, FCs, randomly reboots the device, etc. Now unstable seems to mean that the ROM has relatively minor bugs or it doesn't have all the features they want.
[ONE General] fermasia:
Baseless? I'm not the only one with random reboots, FCs and bugs. I'm just stating a fact, which is not a matter of opinion. I'm not saying "I like it" or "I dislike it". You can tell me that this rom in your phone shows no bugs at all. Good, but there's plenty of people reporting that it's full of severe problems in many phones (including mine's). So as those are the facts, there's nothing wrong about stating this is an unstable rom (unless random reboots don't seem reason enough to you to call it unstable) as it has been proven. Unless you think this is all a conspiracy of people trying to make Oxygen look bad...

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I don't know what other's think about that... but I wouldn't name a rom "unstable" just cause it doesn't have stuff I want. I name it unstable cause I flashed it and had 2 random reboots throughout 40 minutes of usage. If that's not enough... what can I say? Congrats if nothing of this happened to you, but it has happened to several people, not just me.

I shouldn't be answering so thoroughly, I know it's pointless. But I just don't like people implying I'm being baseless and moody about it. :good:
[ONE General] tbalden:
Yeah, producing a high quality ROM is not an easy task. All respect to OxygenOS team, yet the kernel side might hinder the attempts of any ROM creator, even if the Framework part goes well, qualcomm/CAF updates is not all the times straightforward to follow with google HAL framework changes... Hopefully they'll be up to the task when it comes down to kernel upgrades and synchronizing with Google OS Hardware Abstraction Layer upgrade related and qcom kernel updates' related changes.
[ONE General] Renosh:
[MENTION=5190317]fermasia[/MENTION] it's the same for every OEM released software (even iOS) upgrade there are always a vocal minority that experience issues while the rest quietly enjoy the software unencumbered. Been using O2 and haven't suffered a single bug during my use, the GPS drain stopped on its own and that was my main gripe, so I'd say its stable to ME.
[ONE General] fermasia:
When one really likes something and wants to disguise it's failures... I won't be the one trying to convince you otherwise.

Last iOS upgrade was really messy, weeks of bugs - that for their standars was a big PITA. Doesn't look like a happy comparison, considering OPO took 9 months to deliver plain vanilla + bugs. This doesn't mean Oxygen OS may become great in future releases, but not right now (at the moment it won't resist a simple battle with any custom rom or upcoming CM12s).