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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] socalborn:
Did that make you feel good for the day? You sure make yourself out to be perfect. You're one of those people that will jump at the chance to be all high and mighty so you can puff your chest and feel so proud, lmao. If you don't have an answer to the question then just move along captain save a hoe. Your posting is the definition of a troll.

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I finally gave in and paid up the 2.50, but I'm still not able to get on Xbox Live and I still have to use the spoofer so after I get a response back from my email I may be searching for a refund. Hopefully some badass coder, or whoever it takes, will figure it out soon. The only internet I can get is 1.5 MB DSL. I can't get cable on this street because it's a private street and they never laid the cable when building the homes so I'm screwed for a while. They even want 30 bucks for the 1.5, and no one with a brain will pay that. Except maybe that high and mighty guy spamming this thread.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] RussianBear:
Give this method a try: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3071188
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Pjs187:
I'll hit 150gb a month without tethering at all, just using screen mirroring and netflix app lol.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] net200777:
Can you explain more? What method were you using?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Brock Guffman:
thanks for the help
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] pyraxiate:
I generally use 80+ gb a month without tethering. That said, when I go camping, my phone becomes a Hotspot for the camper so I can run my chrome cast for Netflix and YouTube.

For Mr high and mighty, what's the difference between me tethering my chromecast or using data on my phone connecting to the TV via HDMI? Absolutely nothing. ........that's what. Same amount of data.... just one I don't need to wire the phone up!

Get over yourself.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] hackitinc:
I don't believe that users like him restricts anyones tethering. It's like this , how can the user control what tethering settings there are on tmobiles side. When all the user does is modify what's on his phone. Once the phone is modified tethering is full blast.

So what I'm saying here is that tmobile always has full throttle going on there side. But the software on the phone restricts the phone itself from this speed with settings. So having another hotspot software on your phone should give you the rights to control this settings. Because it's built into the software itself.

Unless you guys know something I don't know.

I say these things with all respect.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] hackitinc:
Sup people . I found a way to by pass metropcs mobile hotspot using WiFi tether router 6.15.apk

On my Galaxy S7

Are the settings similar?

Any of you know if it would work on T- Mobile Galaxy S7. Is the system setup similar? Thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] GastonC:
Side note, how did you set up your tethering to work with chromecast
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] pyraxiate:
Using the phone only as a Hotspot, you have to use another device ( phone / tablet ) to set up the chromecast on the Hotspot network. It's pretty easy. I've since switched to miracast adapters though so it's a wireless HDMI basically. Still ties up the phone but it's no longer tethering. Same data usages though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jreed3786:
Where did the Developer's thread go, for rooting the AT&T Note 4? No explanation anywhere for it not being there! Thanks! :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nemopsp:
The thread got move to developer section.

Here a link- http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3042045
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jreed3786:
Ah!!! It's now moved from Developer's to General! Any reason why? Seems like that'd encourage unnecessary chatter!

Thanks!!! :highfive:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] spielnicht:
Let me just first put it out there that I'm a loyal Sony guy. I've owned the Xperia TL, Xperia ZL, Xperia Z1 and now the Xperia Z3C.

With that said, I knew the Sony cameras took subpar pics, whether in full auto or manual mode, they just look bad. Add low light or indoor to the mix, and you've got what looks like a pic from a 2005 Nokia phone. Sorry, I know we all love our Xperias, but Sony should be ashamed of themselves for doing this, considering that they make awesome DSLRs and point and shoots.

So why am I being a rabble rouser all of a sudden? Well, I just got a Note 4 as my work phone and needless to say, I was blown away by the camera results. The differences are night and day between the two. Sadly, I'm supposed to be carrying my work phone just during work days, but I found myself leaving my Z3C at home and going out with the Note 4 this weekend, and you should see the pics I took.

I don't know if the lens is good but the software is bad on the Sony, but if there is any hope that Lollipop will make it better with RAW, I sure hope Sony takes advantage of it.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] GuestK00182:
I agree. The camera of the Lumia 925 that I had, was much better than the camera's compact Z3.

To be honest, this camera does not please me one bit, outside the fact that it does not have optical image stabilizer.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Sadman Khan:
Check the "post pictures that you have taken with your z3c" or something thread. Also, photos will naturally look better on amoled. Transfer your z3c pictures to Note 4 and then look at them again. Might seem better. I find both cameras great by the way
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Calvat:
I wouldn't say suck. I'd just say average.

If you buy this phone for the camera, you're doing it from the wrong direction.

It'd be like buying this phone for the 'best speakers on the market', when HTC One's are those.

The Z3C phone is the best for compact and power; it's a pocket rocket and that's what it specializes at first and foremost, second being its water proof-dust proof without being some rugged phone.

If you're taking around a Note 4, then you're clearly weren't in for the Z3C's compact and pocket rocket in the first place, and you're now choosing the best camera in stead.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Moist:
Please just tell me that you're comparing pictures on a PC.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Sadman Khan:
EXACTLY.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] mohammed510:
You are comparing a quad HD display to a 720p. You're not comparing the camera performance. Just the display. I'd do the comparison again on a PC
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
I still don't understand what is wrong with Sony's compact camera ... my compact camera is taking great pictures :laugh:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] spielnicht:
No, I've been comparing the photos on my thunderbolt display, so no bias toward the Note 4's screen in any way.

And no, I'm not all sold on the Note 4, I still can't live without the compactness of my Z3C.

I will take identical photos from both phones today and post here.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] XQC:
Z3c camera doesn't suck, it's "just" above average.

The only other phone with superior camera that rivals Z3C's performance, size and specs is the iPhone 5s to be honest.

Samsung phones have the best cameras overall, but their devices aren't one-hand friendly.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] pricey2009:
If you want top notch pictures then you need to buy a decent camera.. For a mobile phone camera it does its job, I have no issues with it.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cbuctok:
Try Lumia920. I still prefer it.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
Compare any Nokia you want against an alpha 6000 :D (or any dslr or mirrorless camera).

Once you go big lenses and big sensors, you never go back.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cerberustri:
I'm curious what's settings are you using?(mode, iso, etc)

Any tip to improve my photos?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Calvat:
Pretty much this.

I see nothing but good things about Samsung's phones, but when they get smaller and remove those physical buttons, I'll consider grabbing one... which may be never since it's their signature.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
There is no universal recipe for taking good photos. All parameters are heavily dependant on the camera specs.

In my case, I'm taking usable photos even at ISO6400 and, with a size reduction afterwards, I can even go higher (12800).

The aperture is dependant on the lens you are using. A too large aperture will lead to blurry edges and soft images on cheap lenses. A too closed one will generate light fringing leading to artefacts. Then there is the focal length .... again, the lenses are behaving totally different.

It's all coming down to trial and error and understanding the limitations of your equipment.

And coming back on-topic, I would love to have full manual controls over the Z3C's camera (including long exposure and RAW data). That will allow for truly great photos with this tiny camera.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ogyct:
The most terrible thing I am concerned about is "soft skin" effect that seems to be always turned on.

See the discussion here: https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Compact/Soft-Skin-effect/td-p/838361/highlight/false/page/4
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Calvat:
I think, he thought you took the picture of the camera, with your Z3C. And so, was asking what settings you had on your phone to make the picture of the camera look so good compared to his.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] android167:
Yeah. It's still not fixed in lollipop update.

I just don't understand why they don't fix this bug. It's a simple thing to fix i think, and because of that, front camera isn't useable at all!!
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
Actually I took that picture with the z3c just to show what I'm actually using to take photos :). The phones camera was on auto but, the camera itself is only part of the picture. There is also framing and there is also light.

BTW, these are a bunch of samples captured today, on manual mode, with z3c running lollipop (for who is interested). In my opinion the quality of the camera is pretty low but still, usable in case of emergency.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B08eVSlv8mIUNnBTcTc5YmlHcVk/view?usp=sharing

// sent from my phone //
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ilgreco112:
I deny it.

camera doesn't suck, it's just "not as good as some other phones";

but it's still excellent.

so stop complaining.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] pepeo123:
and then you put the fact that the z3 uses a 70% bigger sensor than most of these phones, a larger aperture lens that capture 50% more light, a higher resolution, bigger pixel size and more advanced sensor (IMX220 vs IMX214, 179, 145 commonly found on other devices excluding GS5 and note 4) and still captures pictures on par or even worse than these phones, then you might want to consider it mediocre,or reasonable at best

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thanks for the sample pictures. Unfortunatelly, like you said, the quality still bad. I was expectating some improvements but there are no changes. Even the lens used on the z3 is bad, high level of pincushion distortion, lots of corner softness, chromatic aberrations and flare, typical from a low qulity lens with such high aperture and wide angle. Zeiss lens trashes G lens big time, at least in mobile (just see zeiss lenses in nokia phones for comparison, 26mm, f2.2 and basically inexistent problems like the ones i cited on the xperia). The sony post processing is a mess also, pictures are noisy, blurred,grainy, have a red tint on it, lots of sharpen, bicubic arctifacts, chroma subsampling alias on video is almost unbearable, etc.

RAW data from nexus 6 for example, with an IMX 214 sensor, 13mp 1.12u pixels and f2 lens are great actually, RAW from lumia 930 are simply amazing, even the nexus 5 can produce stellar results. I think Z3 has enormous potential, unless sony has ****ed up big time in the AD conversion stage and filters, then its not a question of software or aquisition firmware.

real manual controls also would be a blessing, imagine having manual numeric exposure control, focal range, ISO, and WB (im not talking about the pre determined values that are possible to use in the existing manual mode).

and video recording, if you could disable autofocus, use touch to focus, control iso, mic gain, all this in real time. This is possible on the lollipop camera api.

some nexus 5 comparison (credits to: https://github.com/PkmX/lcamera)

(keep in mind that nexus has a good post processing unlike Z series, and still the diference between DNG and jpeg is astonishing)

http://i.imgur.com/7x0b1sE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EfRVZJM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WBQkAHe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KoivGS9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LzKpD4k.jpg
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] mohammed510:
I had a Nexus 5 for a year and a half. Sold it for this phone because it had a terrible battery life and the camera was not good. So, I bought a sony instead of a Nexus 6.

I can confirm that the camera of this phone is better than my father's iPhone 6 plus.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] tonkemaskin:
The thing I find makes me sadder about this than anything else, is that the Note 4 uses a Sony sensor.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ilgreco112:
captures 50% more light;

has 20Mpx so far more than other 8Mpx or 16Mpx,

they'd need at least 120% more light to be on par with the iphone 6.

and to be honest I don't like samsungs pictures when I see the comparatives, I prefer sony over samsung after the iphone

also the sensor may be 70% bigger but it has more pixels, I'm not an expert but, if you tell me that it has 70% bigger sensor than apple, it should be only 70% higher pixel density to be on par. here it's 20mpx vs 8mpx, also the sony sensor takes wider pictures, so needs even more light at same size... that may be why it looks "mediocre" but this is only if you focus on "image quality", it's like saying "my car is better because it has more horsepower, and you don't watch other things like comfort, power consumption or polution and stuff..."

I hope you understand what I mean becaus I can't explain well in english.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] exnokiafan:
So, you're tellin me that Lollipop didn't bring manual controls and RAW output?

This is the baddest news I could ever get. Dammit, I don't want another windows phone, I cannot stand it!!!

THe Z3C is the best option for me, but since Sony in reserving it such a shameful treatment I don't know what to do. Now I'm with a S3 NEO that has a super bad camera and camera app compared to my ex Lumia625.

I don't want to spend all these money for such a limited camera -.-"
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Wing_Zero85:
Thanks for your samples.

The first thing i want to say, is related to the hardware.

On Our Z3/c we have the top-notch camera hardware on every android phones. as you can see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor

Out IMX220 is the biggest sensor produced by sony, ad it has the same pixel size as the IMX240 (used by galaxy s6 and note4).

On the hardware side is better that the IMX240 bacause has:

- The same pixel size

- Bigger aperture angle (the IMX240 16:9 format has the up and bottom band cutted of from our imx220 sensor)

- Bigger size 1/2.3 vs /1.26

So no complaints here. Be rational.

The really BAD thing are 3 (in importance order):

1) The Software algorithm used to produce JPEG from RAW data : a really crappy one. This big mistake make note4/s6/ and ever other smartphone looks photos better than ours.

2) The camera cover is by PLASTIC and not glass! as stated here: http://xdaforums.com/z3-compact/general/bottleneck-camera-glass-plastic-camera-t2889060/page5

I've removed mine because it made the photos "foggy"...and i've bended it! It is a plastic one ! (i'll post photos if u want)

3) There is NO Optical stabilization. So when we take a photo, the shutter time increases to capture enough light, and poor focus occurs...

BTW, the samples you've posted are made with "superior auto" mode.

As soon as i get the update @ lollipop (I live in italy) i'll try to post some pics @ 8mpixel made out from manual mode.

Wing
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
I am trying to be as rational as possible :). The lens used for this sensor are crap (and I do not mean the lens cover, which is the plastic you're referring to but the actual light bending glass :) ...

The blurriness added in the corners it's unacceptable to me.

As for the mode, the photos are done in manual mode @8MP (I left auto-iso and other stuff, I just switched to manual to avoid different "optimisation algorithms" to get activated).

I'll do some low light tests now, indoors, with various settings.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Wing_Zero85:
yeah, lens is crap as for every smartphone :) And the "corner-blurriness" change from device to device...some lens are better than others...

The main problem is the algorithm that is a crappy one.

I'll do some shoots @ 20mpixel and then i downsample them with imagemagick @ 8mpx on the PC, as I do with my nikon reflex, and then we can compare the results :)

A little suggestion made out from years of semi-pro photography experience: never use phone downsample.

Try to do the phollowing...

1) Clean the lens cover with alcool (gently)

2) Remove "image stabilization" and set ISO 100 on a decent lightly environment

3) Set "multiple automatic focus"

4) Set measurement on "multiple"

5) keep the phone very steady and shot.

then try to do a post-process downsample with mitchell algorithm with imageshack.

Results will be very good, i'll assure you ;)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] smooth_gl:
It doesn't have support for raw because Sony phones already have manual settings like Wb, ISO etc. so lollypop doesn't bring anything new. Please don't believe all the headlines you read... It's like " omg this car doesn't have a cd player " when it has a mp3 player.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
I coming from the same world, but not really semi-pro ... more like an enthusiast :P ... but I was not only lazy, but trying to use the phone as I would in "normal" conditions (which do not happen very often because I hate the photos that are coming out from phones in general :) ).

Anyway, here is a bunch of un-processed indoor, synthetic photos (tripod, single central subject, uniform background). I used the ceiling lamps in the first case and no indoor lights in the second (just the light from the street lights):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B08eVSlv8mIUN21XbDlNbFYwa2M/view?usp=sharing

My conclusion: still crappy, but usable if there is no other choice. I'm quite impressed with the SA+ in low light.

I also placed the "reference" photo - same frame but using the A6K in my possession. Maybe some users will understand the power of a real camera by comparing the photos :).
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] milesg:
Those SA shots look OK, especially the normal indoor lighting one.

I've got a DSLR that shoots RAW and I think people are getting upset over nothing - Sony's time would be much better spent implementing improvements to SA mode than adding RAW support... why?...

RAW generates huge files (so stuff like burst mode will likely not work or work very slowly)

RAW formats vary from one camera maker to another - My Nikon generates RAW in one format, my Canon in another

RAW is useless without some other piece of software (e.g. Lightroom) that can read the RAW files and render them. You can take your JPEG and stick it in Lightroom or whatever and make most of the same changes.

Rather than RAW I would rather see an option to disable auto sharpening of the images and also manual control of shutter speed.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
This evening, just by pure coincidence, I can prove why is wise to have a good camera around :).

First picture is what came out with the Z3C on auto. The second one ... well ... it is NOT taken with Z3C on auto :D.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Wing_Zero85:
Thsi means that you've nevere edited a RAW and you really don't know what you're talking about ;)

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Manual settings except:

Manual focus

Manusl shutter time

RAW Mode

these are the most important settings for a proper use of a camera...so lollipop effectively _brings_ new things. If sony decided not to implement them, it's a commecial choice.

And no, you can't get the same result with the actual camera app: for instance, if we could setup manual shutter time, we can avoid blurred photos using a fixed speed of 1/25s or similar...

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I think they are good enough! :) You're compairing them with an A6K ! a sensor 10 times bigger ad a lens 20 times larger :D
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] milesg:
Not really. You can't make a RAW file look like the subject is in focus if it's not, or make a soft image sharp, or make an overexposed image have detail. You can change white balance, saturation, contrast and the level of sharpening, but the biggest change is the demosaicing step being performed "offline" (which can result in slightly less noisy images) but if the detail isn't captured in the first place due to the sensor not being sensitive enough, RAW won't help much if at all.

BTW, here's a link to a RAW file from a Nikon D300S, you can process it using the tools on your smartphone of choice and post it up for us all to see if it's better than the JPG my camera made ;)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/endekmm82m2x0m0/_DSC1394.NEF?dl=0

Just for info, this is a 12.3MP image and the file is 11Mb in size - the JPG the same camera spat out is around 800Kb (and that is lightly compressed).
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Wing_Zero85:
The RAW allow you to bypass the crappy JPG compression algorith by sony and to get drastically better images. Your statement it's just pointless.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] milesg:
You are presuming that the images are being made crappy only by the compression algorithm. Some of the time that will be true, but most of the time the lens and lack of things like optical image stabilization will be at fault. Photography is based on capturing light - go and look at the diameter of that lens is vs any dedicated camera.

The sensible option would be for Sony to adjust their algorithm (or give a setting to control compression and sharpening), not leave that for the end user to do by dumping a 20MB RAW file on their camera!

Also why would Sony ever make their smartphones as powerful and flexible as a DSLR, when Sony themselves sell DSLRs.... all but a tiny few camera phones are intended as a replacement for a compact "point and shoot" camera.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] MarcraM90:
In my opinion not the back camera is the problem.

The biggest problem with this phone is the front camera and the "soft skin" effect.

its weird that if you use snapchat for example, there is no "soft skin" effect