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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
My birthday is this Thursday. Root would be the best present ever.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Just use debloater and disable the OTA files
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
Yeah, I would fire someone in a heartbeat if they circumvented an IT security measure. If someone was an otherwise outstanding employee and this was the only bad choice they had ever made, I may give them a second chance, but they would have to be an exceptionally good employee for that.

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Yeah, when I had root cloaker on but didn't freeze MyVerizon and called Verizon tech support, the rep could tell my device was rooted. But I think if I had frozen or removed MyVerizon the rep wouldn't have been able to do that..

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Well you have to admit after reading these forums for even a little while, a whole lot of people who don't know what they are doing root or attempt to root their phones. Many don't even know what root is. I wouldn't want someone so clueless walking around with my company info on their rooted phone. Lots of people can't even be bothered to put a passcode on their rooted devices.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RyanTillery:
And THAT definitely bleeds into the whole "Why does AT&T/VzW etc care if I root my device?" discussion. People who don't know what they're doing (not all, but definitely some) root and stumble through flashing a ROM, then expect business-as-usual tech support on that device, instead of actually learning how to troubleshoot issues or search forums.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Exactly! In the 5 or 6 years I've been into all of this stuff I can only recall calling tech support one time about my signal jumping back and forth from 4G with a full signal to absolutely nothing and it only happened in or around my home. After talking to a LOT of people it turned out the problem was on their end and they fixed it. But I tried like hell for several days to figure it out myself before I called. :D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
ITA and understand why they do it. I would like them to have us take a test to get certified to be a rooted device owner, and then if you pass the test, you are qualified to buy a developer device, lol!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
This, by far, is one of my favorite suggestions I have heard from anyone. it simply makes sense.

i know what will brick my device. (aside from my theories about bl swapping (n6) which SamuraiHL confirmed would brick the crap outta it. ;) most of us are relatively well-read and will help (or shun, in some cases) people into the right information.

The best incentive for manufacturers, provided they did not void warranty, would be having an easily accessible support network they didn't have to pay. Mind you, I am certain in a free bootloader unlock license scenario they would void it anyway.

Personally, I think it is a better route than just creating an incentive to break security for BL unlock and root. However, these companies (Moto, VZW) *could* almost thank the people for utilizing exploits to show how they will be used and using the end result to update against them. Perhaps this is part of why this doesn't change.

i did suggest the license idea to Moto amongst my personal ideas, [MENTION=5983610]JulesJam[/MENTION] and I did mention where the idea came from (you on here). I pitched it as a possible free issuance, as users like us are happy to help others in exchange for an unlock, but also as a paid license as to convert a phone into a dev device, thus circumventing the agreement to "only allow developer edition devices to be unlocked" with Big Red. i have my fingers crossed, but i am still not holding my breath. It is rather win/win, though, in my opinion.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
Is it so hard to put in a clause into the contract that says "making unauthorized changes to the phone's software or hardware will result in a loss of warranty and release us (ATT/VZW) from all support obligations."

I would sign that in a heartbeat if it meant unlocked bootloaders. I ****ed around so much with my Droid 1 and it never mattered. No matter how hard I bricked it, I could always get it back to working order. And I never needed to call in for help either. It just worked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
ah, the joy of a factory unlocked bootloader, brother. ^ the a855 defined what I thought android was supposed to be. built like a tank, modded all to crap, and easily recoverable. [MENTION=2370584]Flowah[/MENTION] , did you ever run any of the OC UV kernels? (chevyno1, Pete Alfonso) .

the last chevy one I ran was 1.7 ghz on that 550 MHz TI OMAP 3430. Insane to think about what could be done on a chip that was clocked so low from its potential these days. I am pretty sure you couldn't almost triple the oem spec on any processor we have today and it still hold up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bill0405:
It wasn't bricked if you got it working. Bricked is broken beyond repair!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] compuguy1088:
I believe you.........I think all the mdm products are crap (don't know about google's). I'm happy that my current employer uses Google Apps. I prefer that (or straight outlook) to any of those mdm's.

I agree with the reasoning, but not the fact that they punish people who know how to use root safely (I do have a pass-code, and use root enhance apps like cerberus for anti-theft purposes). Sadly the carriers don't care about updates, because they want you to buy another phone instead. I learned the hard way when I got one of my parents a Moto X 2013. I should of gotten the t-mobile version instead of that bloody locked down at&t one. The bloatware has caused a number of issues that I could of fixed in a heartbeat with the t-mobile/pure edition one.

Would love this, but no company would do this in reality because of the additional cost. I honestly stick to phones that don't have warranty voiding unlocks, and are bootloader unlockable (HTC, OPO, some sony phones, nexus devices).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
That assumption is incorrect. I have had many devices that were bricked, and doing the right steps u can bring it back to life. A bricked device means that it wont turn on, and show any sign of life, but u can bring a phone back to life using the correct methods.

Here is alittle reading for you:

http://rootmyandroid.org/how-to-unbrick-your-android-device-the-ultimate-guide.html
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ntxct:
On Topic: So far, no root guide today.

Then what you had wasn't bricked. You maybe had a messed up device, but if you got it working again, it wasn't acting like a brick, so it wasn't bricked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
OR a Canadian Rogers Moto X (2013), like off eBay. SAME model (XT1058) as the AT&T Moto X (2013) -- same LTE bands -- but bootloader can be unlocked. Of all the carriers who used that model (see list below), ONLY AT&T asked it be locked down. :rolleyes:

Whereas, the T-mobile version (XT1053) does NOT have all the AT&T LTE bands (2,4, 5, 17). The XT1053 only has LTE bands 2, 4, 17.

Last two phones for me and my wife were Nexus, but Google messed up with the Nexus 6. They forced me to look elsewhere. I'm not holding a 6" tablet to my head. So, went with the 5.2", 1440p, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM variant that was being tested to be the Nexus 6 as late as mid-August. It was re-purposed as the Quark. SAME hardware as Nexus 6, except for OIS on the rear camera, yet has a bigger battery than the Nexus 6. First thing I did was unlock the bootloader and root it. Wouldn't have bought it if it had a locked down bootloader and wasn't rooted.

All my Androids have been unlocked and rooted and running custom ROMs. I won't buy one that does not have that capability the moment I buy it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Personally the way I look at it if someone proves me wrong on something "especially Android" I look at it as I just learned something that apparently I didn't know. Because if you are right about everything then you'll never learn anything right? lol

Just sayin' :D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RyanTillery:
Man, I would love this, and honestly, it would take liability off of carriers to a certain degree. I'm an adult, and if I sign a waiver that says "I'm unlocking my boot loader; I'm responsible for the software from here", and can then unlock the boot loader as I please, and improve the functionality of the device... Sign me up. It should really be that simple. Unfortunately, I'm sure things like the kickbacks VzW gets for preinstalling NFL Mobile on my phone would be a big issue there. Ad revenue lost from adblocking, that sort of thing. Then again, didn't I buy this device? Anyway, we're off topic, but I think we're all still waiting on a root procedure, anyway.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ProfessorStein:
You're not thinking long-term. I think the problem comes in OTA updates. If you signed a waiver, and you had your device unlocked and working just the way you wanted, and you forgot or failed to deactivate OTA, and an update was pushed to your phone that, because of some configuration that you caused on your own, bricked it... the carrier would then, in theory, still be legally responsible since their update kicked off the problem.

So it wouldn't be a simple matter of a waiver, the carrier would also need some sort of system to mark your phone to never get anymore updates. And, again, that means that they were responsible for maintaining that data and making sure it was accurate. So... in actuality, it doesn't relieve the carrier of any responsibility, it just shifts it somewhere else.

Also... unless you got a Nexus, you likely didn't buy the device. Just like a mortgage, the carrier still owns the device until you have it fully paid off. And in most cases, that would usually only occur long after you've moved onto a new device anyway ;)

Now... where is this root?? lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RyanTillery:
Excellent points on all counts... To be honest, I'm just thinking in terms of what I want my device to do, not the ramifications of the worst case scenarios. As far as subsidies, though, if it's bought on contract and subsidized accordingly, then the agreement there is all revolving around keeping the line active for the contract period, which I certainly have no problem with. (Even if I wanted to port out or cancel, I'm subject to an ETF, whether my phone is rooted or bootloader unlocked.) Plus, if bootloader is unlocked, I can always re-root and reflash an FXZ if the need arises.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gandalf:
THREAD CLEANED

Folks, I just removed over 50 posts of COMPLETELY unrelated stuff to the thread topic.

STAY ON TOPIC, please, for sanity's sake.

Keep in mind that per the XDA Forum Rules, threads need to remain ON-TOPIC.

Please keep posts related to the topic, I am not giving another warning like this!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flowah:
Okay, so make it only available if you buy it off subsidy.

Besides, on 5.0+, you have the ability to completely clear carrier/manufacturer bloat anyway, regardless of bootloader/root status. Really, there's no reason not to do this anymore. They're just being dicks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brianmagicr:
How do you clear the bloatware? Is it the same as pm block or disabling it?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] MoPhoMike:
That's all fine and good, ASSUMING by "clearing" bloatware you mean removing it's existence from the phone and freeing up space in storage. Personally, I stuck with my rooted/unlocked Razr M because it had an SD slot and was rooted/unlocked and I had "almost" a Pure Android Rom.

I hesitated on the turbo until I saw it was available in 64GB which essentially negated the need for an SD slot, though I'd still like to have the choice of expanding memory when needed..

Root-candy locked turbo wheezer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I mentioned this before but deleting bloat will not free up storage space.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
Clearing bloat

Once rooted, you have the ability to reach and change permissions on system level files. Bloat (or carrier injected software) is set to root level permissions so they can only be modified or deleted with root access. By having root access you can change the permissions on the file and then delete, rename, move the offending bloat and it will never load.

Beyond removing or deactivating bloat, rooting leads to the ability to flash custom ROMs to the phone that have been debloated. Custom ROMs are often stripped down versions of the stock ROM that have had all "unnecessary" software removed. This lets the phone's computer system devote all its processing power to running the OS and the necessary system apps, along with what you choose to install, and eliminates the drag on the system that Bloat presents.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
Heh, no. You need a bootloader unlock for that.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
Hehe, I didn't say "allows", I said "leads to", in other words, yes, unlocked bootloader, but you can't have an unlocked bootloader without first getting root... first Horse, then cart. And I had a feeling someone was going to call me on that.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Am I missing something? I've flashed many ROMs on phones with just root without BL unlocked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
But was that with something like safestrap?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
Well maybe on this phone, but on the OG Moto X Dev Ed, you could get a bootloader unlock code and unlock the bootloader w/o root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wifnhzivxllo:
That's the way it is supposed to work, but we chose Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
Very true and in fact I own the developer edition of the OGX, so I'm well aware of that (the screen may be cracked but it still works).

However, I was speaking specifically in the context of the question, and in relation to the phone for which this thread was created, so Droid Turbo... No bootloader unlock yet and even if eventually, not without root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Back in the Droid x days I flashed with cwm along with bootstrap. but later used yes I used ss.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
You can certainly flash stock ROMs without root or unlocked bootloader, but in my post I spoke specifically of Custom ROMs and specifically of the Droid Turbo. And yes, clockworkmod and SafeStrap have been viable options as well.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
I ran many custom ROMs Cyanogenmod, Liquid Smooth, Carbon etc with just root

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Droid X and the original Razr maxx had locked BL and I flashed all the time. DT may be different tho
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
I think where this got off track is with regard to unlocked bootloader versus bootstrap or other bootloader bypass methods and yes, I've flashed OGD, D2, OGR, OGRM, and DM all without unlocked bootloaders. The initial objection to my post was that you needed an unlocked bootloader and couldn't flash with just root. Truth is everyone is right in one form or another. Specifically to the Droid Turbo, we can't flash anything but stock ROMs yet. It remains to be seen if we ever will be able to but I think it's safe to say at the very least there will need to be a bootstrap method. I am still just holding out for just root and will be happy when and if that is released eventually.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cstone1991:
You can disable the bloat apps on your Turbo right now without root. Once they're disabled they aren't effecting performance anymore. They're only taking up some space on a partition that you can't add other apps to or reallocate storage to another place.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Agreed :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
Isn't the glass pretty cheap on ebay? Idk how hard it is to replace though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
Agreed. It is done in the apps management section.

Still, many would much rather remove them altogether
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Harry44:
I repair phones. Glass is cheap. Lcd digitizer is more expensive. Just replacing the glass requires a heat gun. And a lot of patience. Kind of a pain in the ass.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
Absolutely correct. Since the glass is affixed to the screen with a very thin film adhesive it is a very arduous process to remove all the glass fragments and do so without damaging the LCD. I've replaced full screens (LCD/digitizer and glass combined) but never just the glass. The big problem is the screen/glass combination for this particular phone is like $150 so hardly worth it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
Why not? Is this b/c it is on a partition that you can't add anything to? The OEM partition or something like that?

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The OG Moto X is worth trying!!!!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] foxkat:
Lol, yeah, I guess it's worth it if I'm successful. [emoji12] I'm just not willing to risk destroying it. It's my only rooted phone with working Wi-Fi tether entitlement hack so I use it to supply internet to my tablet and notebook while not near a Wi-Fi hotspot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
The partitions are of a fixed size so they won't resize as space is freed up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
So where is the bloat stored - the OEM partition or something like that?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
The bloat is still stored in the /system partition but the /system partition is a fixed amount of space on the EMMC itself. Seeing as the space is the /system partition can't be allocated elsewhere (like giving that space to your /sdcard partition) because the partition is static, getting rid of bloat won't change the size of the /system partition is what I believe he is trying to say.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cstone1991:
That and that the user cannot install any other apps into the /system partition without root.

With root, you can certainly move/install other apps into that partition, using the space that was freed up by uninstalling bloat, but that really only makes those particular apps run faster. It doesn't effect the speed of the OS itself, or the speed of other apps unless they rely on that/those apps. With the speed of this phone and the amount of user accessible storage on the Turbo, there really is no need to try to free up /system space for apps or to try to make the apps launch half of a millisecond faster. Uninstalling bloat is not a valid reason to want root on this phone in my opinion.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] MoPhoMike:
It is valid EXACTLY but NOT only for that reason. Here is how I see it: I have 11.8 Gb of space (/system) reserved. I have about 5gb in third party apps installed, 3 of which are CAD software apps. Those apps could be pushed into /system use that that space freeing room on my /storage partition giving me more useful area for storing the plan files which are dynamic. I may use those files a handful of times before they are obsolete or I no longer need them. More room for pictures. I use a Bluetooth laser measuring module for applying layouts, measurements of area, volume, distance and building size. So regaining that space to me is more paramount than VZ Nav, imdb, zappos, etc. More room for music- I am an audiophile and drummer/Musician. I record lots of video as well as use my Turbo with Bluetooth studio headset to record and practice. I currently have 30gb of music, set lists, etc stored in my phone. LASTLY, it allows me to remove ads, which I LOATHE, so I can edit my /hosts file to remove/block this ilk from existence and has the added benefit of reducing data usage, since ads don't load, and therefore don't consume processor speed, time and space. Plus I can run and use other apps such as Rom Toolbox, Nandroid Manager, TiBkp, etc and take total control of my device, under/overclocking, setting power and processor profiles, etc... JUST to name a few things.

Root-candy locked turbo wheezer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
I wonder if final testing ran into some problems? also i do not know where to stick this as it is a website question. XDA recently has been giving me issues with flash player stopping. i am using chrome because firefox broke for me. is this an issue with security maybe from my company or is there something i can do to make it stop breaking all the time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Are you certain 11.8GB of /system is reserved?

shell@quark:/ $ df

df

Filesystem Size Used Free Blksize

/dev 1.3G 128.0K 1.3G 4096

/sys/fs/cgroup 1.3G 12.0K 1.3G 4096

/mnt/asec 1.3G 0.0K 1.3G 4096

/mnt/obb 1.3G 0.0K 1.3G 4096

/system 3.2G 1.5G 1.7G 4096

/data 52.3G 10.8G 41.5G 4096

/cache 1.4G 2.5M 1.4G 4096

/firmware 122.0M 77.0M 45.0M 4096

/fsg 727.0K 726.0K 1.0K 1024

/persist 928.0K 216.0K 712.0K 4096

/mnt/shell/emulated 52.3G 10.8G 41.5G 4096

/storage/emulated/legacy 52.3G 10.8G 41.5G 4096

shell@quark:/ $

Also, unless the crux of those apps taking space are just resource files, the meat of them will still end up on /data. So you might save a little, but it won't be a lot unless again, they are resource files for the program which are large. That is usually not the case.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
11 GB seems a bit much. Mine only shows 8.7 reserved for the system
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
great question.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
I was wondering the same thing about the final testing. :confused:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
I was wondering the same about shockwave crashing non stop
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
Final testing involves many stages. They are on stage 3 out of ????. Root will be available soon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Thats not reserved data though. That is data used by stuff on the system, stored on (emulated) external storage.

*I think*.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] MoPhoMike:
That's what I thought as well. But here it is:

In my opinion, WTF does android need nearly 12gb of space for????

Root-candy locked turbo wheezer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
As [MENTION=1415579]adrynalyne[/MENTION] mentioned before, the "Android OS" is stuff stored in the "Android" folder on the internal sdcard (plus the system, too, I think). Might be stuff leftover from old uninstalled apps, too. But a majority of that space is not taken up by the system.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Mine is exactly like yours. 11.70

Honestly I never really paid any attention to it. But that does seem like a lot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kwyrt:
Now that's interesting. My Android OS shows 8.37GB just like [MENTION=6038896]GreaterLesser[/MENTION]. From his screen shot it looks like he has a 32GB Turbo like I do. And [MENTION=4475610]MoPhoMike[/MENTION] has a 64GB with 11.7GB taken up by Android OS. So 64GB Turbos have a larger system partition than 32GB Turbos? That doesn't make any sense. :eek:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Mine is a 64 also. No that doesn't really make any sense but it does seem to be the case. :confused:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
You mean under /0/emulated/* ?

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Yes I have the 32GB BN model. Wait.....the 64 GB model has a bigger /system partition? Can someone post a screenshot of this?

Edit: nvm I see it.