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[Xperia Z3 Compact General] pipspeak:
I agree that folks seem to be expecting too much from this tiny, cheap little camera-in-a-phone, but in my experience it often doesn't even do its basic job. It's rare I can get a simple indoor flash portrait without it being all blurry, for example. Landscape photos are often ruined by excessive edge-sharpening artifacts. I could go on. Yes, it's only a phone camera and I'm not expecting quality that's even close to a compact camera, but in this day and age it should be able to do better than it does. Heck, my Nexus 4 camera was more reliable than this one.

But my biggest gripe is reserved for tech reviewers who lauded this as possibly the best camera phone in all their reviews last year. One wonders how much Sony paid for that PR. I feel duped, because the stellar camera reviews were a big reason I bought the Z3c in the first place.

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No, his comments were spot on IMO. The last thing I want to do with a phone camera is faff around editing RAW files and/or downloading the files so they don't clog up all the available memory on the phone. And this is a miniature phone with a tiny sensor and a crappy lens, so what point would RAW really be when it would be much easier for Sony to simply offer a chance to change a few of the jpeg processing parameters? I know professional photojournalists who always shoot jpeg because they don't have the time, the need or the inclination to waste time dealing with RAW files. They simply dial in their preferred jpeg settings and fire away.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
Yea its so hard to get a nice 1 handed phone with top specs so let alone have a awesome camera right? I still have some hopes this whole "big" phone hype gets done fast so we can get some nice models again that are smaller then 5 inch.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] daweeze02:
I just got rid of my Nexus 5 for this as well and I'm loving it
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] milesg:
Same here :good:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] RiTCHiE007:
I just dont like why sony didn't use all these advanced features on the 20mp camera. But all their features only work on the 8mp modus and while thats a oke camera for daytime it isn't that greta for night times. But coming from a galaxy s4 with a 13mp camera these one is a little weaker.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] PuffDaddy_d:
I've finally got the phone and I'm noticing that the auto focus is what causes this camera to suck so badly. You have to press the camera button half way to force it to focus before taking your photo. It takes twice as long, but it will get you better photos is most general lighting conditions.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] beirutas:
I have Note 4 and Z3c. Not really fair to compare. But using auto settings, camera on z3 is slow and quality is way worse. There is no competition at all.

And low light photos on z3c look absolutely awful.

Sure it's better than nexus cameras on nexus 4/5 but sometimes I even wonder that my Z3c camera might be defective.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] BobbyHenceMcGee:
Lol comparing a Sony A6000 to a Z3C is like comparing a Nikon to a toy camera you give to 5 year olds.

By the way, I have an A6000 and they are amazing. What lens is that in the photo?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] stavro:
sorry but drastically better images because of raw is simply wrong. you get a wider range of "loosless" editing possibilities and compression algos are that good thoses days, that most of the people would not see a difference especially when we talk about sensors of that kind.

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[Xperia Z3 Compact General] ro_explorer:
It's a Tamron 18-200mm F/3.5-6.3 Di III VC (great lens for general purpose).
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] heorung:
The sensor of Xperia Z3c and Z3 is a slimmer version of the sensor on Xperia Z2. They trade off the picture quality for the slimmer body (z3 vs z2). The Z2 camera was much better than Z3 and IP6
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Corrion:
Have any of you guys tried using Google's stock camera application instead of Sony's? I switched to that pretty early on, and I've taken consistently better pictures than the Sony camera application. The only exception are low-light pictures, in which they're pretty close. You sacrifice clarity for noise reduction with the Sony camera app, which makes sense with low-light pictures, but I hated how that looked when shooting in broad daylight.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Cronis:
Heh just tried it and the google cam does have a measurable improvement over the stock sony cam. With the google cam you can see a little more noise vs the smudged out Sony pics
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cristixxxlog:
Better than Google camera is CameraJB+ . It is not free but it is worth the money.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Foxhunter123:
No matter what I do I cannot start the camera with the dedicated button without the "starting melody" plays...? It started after the Lollipop update because I had no issue with Kitkat... Can anyone please help? (I have tried different sound profiles using the volumebutton...)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] vibecatalin:
After starting the camera is not moving in real time like on my z1 compact. If I start Google Camera everything is moving in real time trough the viewfinder. Is there a way to improve that on the stock camera app like on my z1c? Thank you!
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Wing_Zero85:
"Simply wrong" only if you don't know what you're talking about.

Lens on smartphone are all comparable by cheap quality, and sony lens are one of the best around here.

Also the dinamic range of the sensor itself it is BEST in category, because it has the biggest sensor size (fact) in all android smartphone market.

The only thing that drops the photo quality of this smartphone is the compression algorithm, and taking raw pictures will make a DRASTICALLY difference, a huge difference to the classical jpeg.

Just wait fro the "pro mode" to enable capturing RAW images with htc one m9 with OUR SAME SENSOR and then you will spot the difference ! ;)

By the way, l've been lucky with a good lens with very little soft angles on my z3compact, and Lollipop improves detail resolving!

Check-out this 2 photos as attachment taken in manual mode,this morning with my lollipop z3 compact.

WZ
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] PuffDaddy_d:
Well, at least it's not just us... the HTC One (M9) uses the same sensor and the results have been widely regarded as disappointing. The HTC did just receive a software update to "improve camera performance" but no clear results are in yet.

http://www.cnet.com/news/a-day-with-htc-one-m9s-new-cameras/

If they can get software improvements to (presumably) fix the over-exposure and poor compression, then why can't we?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Zwulf:
These are no good examples for proving you right. Details (grass, bushes, trees) are very washed out. Look at the large pixels on the roof of the nearest house on the right (second picture). I bought this device because of Sony being known to have a good camera and got disappointed A LOT.

My old Galaxy S3 (i9300) still takes better pics than this device. Sad but true. My next device will be a Samsung again, because the pictures taken by the Note 4 my girlfriend owns are outstanding compared to the cheap looking pics of my Z3C (both viewed on PC to be comparable). Pics taken by Z3C are just poor for such a high-end device. Even Lollipop doesn't change anything.

Edit: Switched to CM12 as there is nothing to lose on camera quality when using Camera ZOOM FX - on some pics it seems it's even better than stock (but still not really good though).
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Sumea:
I have to agree. I used Xperia Z, and now Z3.

I take almost exclusively inside photos in low lighting, stuff like "I got a mega drive" - share with friends, stuff like that. Very little to no outside shoots, and sony cameras from Z to Z3 just are somehow more inclined to take better photos outside what Little I tested Z and my new Z3. I had a Galaxy S3 and I have still some photos I took with that camera and those are amazingly sharp, no noise when scaled a little bit down and so on. with Xperia I have to do three to four step touch up to my photos every time before sharing them and they STILL suck. Making small text unreadable, and so on.

I hate sony for almost lying in their marketing by toting how good the camera is, without the addendum "*Only really good outside on sunny day".

Only reason I am on Z3c is that I took some photos with Galaxy S5 in shops, and it at least initially seemed like Galaxy S5 has some of that Sony "Magic" in it too, probably just the Galaxy S5 line, software or something. Overall I just wanted small and powerful phone what is not ****ed up from day I bought the phone because it had software version overhaul that seemed to **** more things than fix.

I miss my Galaxy S3 camera, and that phone made me used to phone = my camera lifestyle. Now I am looking into cheaper nikons since I do not need anything better but better than "20mpx" that competes neck to neck in quality with my iPod touch g4 camera, which takes 640x480 photos without flash.

Really camera use i so minimal to me that I really had to meh it out. Like I personally am not THAT much hurt by it, but sony misleading me to think it will be better and then it is WORSE than cameras generations older, like I thought sony was aware this was a bug, not feature and fix it up in like, FOUR GENERATIONS between Z and Z3 but apparently nope. That is what I am pissed about, promises of "BEST IN THE MARKET" but end results on my computer screen are **** I need to median filter -> sharpen ->manual color balance tweak -> maybe unsharp mask before uploading it.

It is just absurd how camera which sony builds like fifteen different applets around yet spares no RnD on actually making the camera itself to maybe not make crappy pictures with more noise than the radio in Silent Hill. Like seriously, why?

I want to try other camera apps still. I want to believe in aliens, and the fact maybe it is just software ****ing up sony's absolutely amazing camera or something.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lawbet7eb:
to get out of it, is very simple... remove your minisd then press "ok"+"power"+"reset"

it should work unless u damaged your spl. if you damaged you spl, copy original one from RUU_Athena.... and rename it to ATHEIMG.NBH then copy it to you sd, then press "ok"+"power"+"reset"

i'm not sure it all will work for everybody, but thats what i tried and it did work for me...

good luck playing with your athena, but be careful
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] userbe:
I tried this and still in white screen(after change from Spanish to English and disconnect error occurred).

:confused: :confused: :confused:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] xmen06:
Hi,

i have a uk ameo from tmobile, will it work if i take the nbh from htc wwe version ?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] userbe:
My case in detailes...

I have original HTC Advantage 7500 not branded with Spanish windows . After tried to update with English RUU my htc Advantage stuck in 3 colors boot-loader mode. Any resets(soft, hard, boot-loader) not help.

Than I find this suggestion here I tried it and it help: :)

this is done!

after my Spanish OS reloaded and I can to do ActiveSync with PC - Than I find this suggestion in this thread and I tried it and after 5 min connecting error occurred :( . After hard resetting after this "update", after the HTC boot screen I just get a white screen. The HTC does make a sound as if it's working and BT and WiFi leds blink. When device connected to PC the HTC does make a sound as if it's working, but the ActiveSync in PC write that can't to connect to mobile device. And I just can't see anything. :(

Now I can't find Spanish HTC Advantage 7500 not branded RUU in all World.

Any ideas.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Ken_xda:
I succeeded with mine

Thank you. I was wondering whether I had actually bricked my athena, but then your tip helped me out....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] w3rti:
Good Tipps ! LOVE THEM !

thanks for help ! :)
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Necrolog_92:
hi i have done sum thing terrible to my phone and now i can only asses the boot loader cant get in to OS or recovery,

unable to flash new recovery and after trying to flash stock RUU i am stuck with boot loader relocked have tried to re unlock it but no luck.

s-on with os 7.19.401.2 any ideas on what to do?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stovie_steve:
What steps did you take that led you to this point? Are you stock recovery at minute or are you custom recovery? Is your phone detected by fastboot (type fastboot devices)

Also I assume to tried HTC.com/dev to unlock using a different unlock token?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Seanie280672:
just for future reference, he needs to flash the stock firmware, same one he already has, my suspicions say he has re-locked his bootloader with a custom recovery on there, thats why he cant unlock his bootloader, it requires stock recovery, the only way to get stock recovery on an s-on and re-locked device is to flash stock firmware. :good:
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stovie_steve:
Yeah I figured he'd done that, which is why I wondered was he custom recovery :)
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Necrolog_92:
thanks for the reply’s, i have now tried to use a new unlock token but i get the same problem as before, before i relocked the boot loader i flashed what i think was the stock recovery but now i can’t get in to recovery i can use fastboot and it does show up under fastboot devices and when i try to put the unlock token on i get the screen to confirm but when i confirm it boot into recovery and just stays there till the battery drains on i reboot it any more idea’s or advice ?
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
I came from a G2, this phone is tons slower. Unlock after pattern takes a whole second. It's terrible.
[LG G Flex 2] Thraxzzz:
Try removing unwanted widgets on your home screen, I tried to make mine very minimalist and it's working fine. Battery life is terrible though
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
No widgets. There is something very wrong here. Battery life is ultra terrible, you're right. If they don't update the firmware then it'll be a disaster and LG will lose whatever goodwill they built the last few years with the g2 and G3
[LG G Flex 2] bonebeatz1234:
This phone seemed rushed and not polished hope a 5.1 update fix this issue with the phone. For a 1080p screen battery drains to much considering the battery size.
[LG G Flex 2] welshandy2322:
I had the same problem with the g3. Laggy and very poor battery life be lucky to have 20% left after 5hrs
[LG G Flex 2] DaverBeaver:
this will help with lag

If you do an immediate factory reset after the initial startup when getting it it helps immensely with the lagging issues mine is crazy fast now
[LG G Flex 2] TheBenzinator:
The Verge tech site did a review and they observed same lags:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/13/8206953/lg-g-flex-2-review

From the review:

"Did I mention that the scrolling is laggy? That chronic lag also spoils the other jewels in Android’s crown"
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
You're not kidding, right? Maybe a dalvik cache flush would work for me. How do you enter recovery on this thing?
[LG G Flex 2] Custodian:
Now that I'm rooted and able to change my gov from interactive to ondemand i see the phone i paid for!
[LG G Flex 2] Stank0:
Yes, there is a lag here and there but I don't have any complaints about battery life. It's not as good as G3 but a whole league better than my previous Galaxy S5.
[LG G Flex 2] Applesexual:
I seriously doubt that, like how I doubt that you only get little lag.

No need to lie, man. We all hate it when we dump $700 on a "premium" phone that feels and responds like something out of Fischer Price. I've been there too.
[LG G Flex 2] Stank0:
YMMV but I don't have any need to lie. My S5 would go from 100 to 20% in 8 hours with screen off.

G3 under the same conditions, same config/apps 2 days easy.

Flex 2 100 to 50% in 24 hrs.

Edit: Last time I took my wife to a dinner and used my S5 for navigation there. When we left, the phone was 100% charged. When we got back home after approx 3 hrs, the battery was at 15%. That's when I decided I need to try something different (again) ;)

The lag I would compare to my old Note 2 (I still use) which I agree, is unacceptable considering Flex 2 has much better hardware.

I also had a few FCs on contacts which seems to be a common bug of L. (had the same thing with S5 after I upgraded to lollipop)

Lets hope it'll get ironed out with next update.

Oh and it looks like the signal strength is considerably better compared to any of my Galaxies BUT the handoff is slower.
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
This is the lag you'd get, after running geekbench 3 times in a row.
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
And here's the ****ty battery life.
[LG G Flex 2] Stank0:
Well I don't know why but these are my results:

Three times in row. The first two were much better (about 2x better) but the third one... not that stellar. Maybe the much discussed heat throttling? But the phone didn't feel especially hot.

I still cannot complain about the battery.
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
Both our results are very very bad for an 810 chip
[LG G Flex 2] Applesexual:
Out of curiosity, why did you buy the device and why haven't you returned it yet?

Your lagging issues and battery problems are very common with the Flex 2 because of the power-hungry 810 processor.

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/03/17/lg-g-flex-2-review/
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
I bought the flex2 because I didn't believe that it was as terrible as the press claimed, and had to see for myself. What I saw is worse than the press said.

In my country we can't just return things, it has to be defective to return things. Singapore.

Based on some accounts we read here, saying that it's just a batch problem, I can then build a case for return.

I also like to buy bleeding edge devices and see what can be done to redress their problems.
[LG G Flex 2] Applesexual:
I think the press was too lenient with this device. It seems like all of them were trying to downplay the lagging issue to get on Qualcomm and LG's good side.

Anyway, I hope everything works out for you, and if you plan on buying another high-end phone this year, I suggest you stick with Samsung.

It seems all the bad rumors about the 810 are true, so it's logical to assume that any phone from LG, htc, SONY, and other OEMs not named Samsung will have the same problems as the G FLex 2.
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
Hi Apple, I dislike Touchwiz intensely. My family has myriad Samsung devices, they suck. The G2 and G3 were masterpieces. I hope that LG can fix this. I'll try switching the device tomorrow but I hope that I will get some information on WHAT serial number works and what doesn't.

My serial number for sucky Flex 2 is 502KPCA003579 LG-H959
[LG G Flex 2] bonebeatz1234:
Is it just the flex with 2 gigs of ram that's having issues or both. I have the Sprint model and my first phone was laggy but not bad enough to take back just a hiccup here and there. My second device been problem free . Could people say what Version of phone they have so buyers could be aware of which one to avoid. People gonna argue that the phone i have is not fast or lag free even though they don't own the device or ever used mine just because they read a article they can move own . Some flex 2 are running fine just not all of them. So when people say there's is fine there not lying.
[LG G Flex 2] Stank0:
I hope they will solve the throttling issue with the next update. First test is always great. Second too. The third one is, when it starts going down badly.

BUT... I'm not playing games on my phone and I'm using it for different purposes than running benchmarks over and over again and for MY use it's just fine with a few hiccups here and there.
[LG G Flex 2] Kidsnd274:
Currently in my experience, there are 2 things that makes this phone lag. First off is the software, its terrible, totally not optimised. I think Android 5.0 is partly to blame (Nexus 5 was lagging on this software although 5.1 runs super smooth). And the 2nd is heat. When the phone heats up, it lags... At least it doesn't go as hot as the HTC one m9.

Right now, on a high end smartphone, I have to compromise on opened apps. I cannot let my favorite background apps like Tasker to run just to let the phone use as much precious resources it needs, I doubt it makes a difference tho. The phone doesn't lag in games tho. Its just navigating between apps and especially webpages (keyboard refused to pop up when typing this message)

So far, the phone has compeltely hung up once on me. I was on call using hangouts and at the same time listening to music and using Google Docs to do some work with my friends. (I was on the go, so no computer)

I really hope the Android 5.1 update fixes this phone (Nexus 5 runs so smoothly on it that I might want to change back). And also maybe a new firmware to fix the heat issues.
[LG G Flex 2] bricky23:
I agree. I think it depends on what carrier and version. Allot of people are saying that it lags to much for a $700 phone. This must be the unlocked version. I have the Sprint version ($504) and the first couple days, I was for sure going to take it back. Lag, bad battery, and wifi problems. I then did a factory reset. And the lag was gone, with the exception of the text app, and the lg keyboard. And the wifi worked perfectly. The battery is much better now also. I started using a 3rd party texting app, and google keyboard. Now I only have an occasional small lag. No worse than any other android phone that I have had. Oh and I love this phone!
[LG G Flex 2] Custodian:
Once our boot loader gets unlocked, things will get better with a custom kernel to eliminate the aggressive throttling
[LG G Flex 2] Applesexual:
Yeah, and then what happens to the battery life? :(
[LG G Flex 2] Custodian:
Battery life improves x10 if we get a good kernel Dev. Lol.. LG Flex 2 with "anthrax" muahshahaha!
[LG G Flex 2] Applesexual:
Nah. It goes down even more. :crying:
[LG G Flex 2] Custodian:
You've had some terrible experiences I see. Sucks for you. Anyway, it'll be all good once LG releases 5.1 or some Dev grabs it first.
[LG G Flex 2] Applesexual:
Why would anyone who ever leaves his home ever want to get rid of throttling? :confused:

Don't want my battery dying in 30 minutes.
[LG G Flex 2] caysman:
Update : I encrypted my phone and then decrypted it. Partial encrypt. Now I'm not able to demonstrate poor performance, everything flies.

It's very frustrating.
[LG G Flex 2] taewoong96:
It seems like the Korean model Fsomething, US model LS996, HK model H959 is having problems... anyone with EMEA H955 model? EMEA model 32GB may come with 3GB too! Anyone got H955 16GB or 32GB? Hows is the experience?
[LG G Flex 2] Custodian:
I don't recommend the casual sub par consumer such as yourself do anything to their phone especially rooting it, you might fudge something up. Stick with LG factory, and you'll be all set, also continue to post regularly on XDA, we need more consumers to complain. -cheers
[LG G Flex 2] rafaeleduardo:
kinda new

I'm kinda new in this root thing, can I ask how did you did it? :rolleyes:
[LG G Flex 2] dondavis007:
I don't think you can stay in business with a lagging top of the top phone. G3 really lagged for a while but they fixed after a while. Give a couple of months and it will be better. Shame still not being able to have a lagfree high and phone.

Sent from a mobile gadget...
[LG G Flex 2] Thraxzzz:
Update me when you succeed in swapping, I would love to swap too, this battery life falls like the Niagara Falls. I'm located in Singapore too