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[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
See the second post.

I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.

Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.

With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.

MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.

I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.

Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.

I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.

Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.

I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
So let me get this straight. You think coping is ok yet dont like that all the roms "seem" the same to you?

IOS is more Android?

Your right their environment is different. They dont care what users want or say.

Cm is not even worth mentioning anymore really. They are fast becoming just as big a joke as MIUI in the android world. No one with any real thoughts of their own even use their roms anymore.
[Nexus 4 General] calyxim:
The problem is that we all think that the developers actually develop something.

The matter of the fact is that they only tinker with what Google gave them.

So I wouldn't hold my breath for a sense like rom that has its own framework.

No one has got time for that. Big things come from big companies. Or maybe from a team of good friends.
[Nexus 4 General] BitteredBro:
A long time a go a bunch of people gave us Theme Engine, Hybrid Mode, Profiles, PIE, Heads-up, Immersive mode and lots of stuff that was new at the time. I really believe that the creative process is, has been and will be strong on XDA - Developers... but i agree with the OP albeit for different reasons.

I think that as technology, products or processes are understood better, being innovative, creative or "disruptive" becomes harder:

1.- We (the consumer) demand a series of features that become standarized which tramples innovation

2.-And there is the thing with the source material P.E. There is so much a thinkerer can do with a hammer a 2x4 and a couple of nails... Same with android.

3.- As a technology matures the innovation rate diminishes. Look at clocks, TV, videogames or smartphones! Every year there are new models, but little game changing technology even when there are hundred of people working on with, fully paid and with the backing of big companies.

Science and technology advance is not linear... I think that we are on a low point on ROM innovation but to me, that only means that soon somebody will come up with something new and great.
[Nexus 4 General] doctor_droid:
Android roms are same?

Yes they are with a little difference in each and every rom ..coz they are built from the same mother source...AOSP...

Google itself builds it factory images from aosp with touch of google changes...

Every oem uses the aosp and modifies it to make sense, touchwiz, zenui etc etc...

Things have certainly changed in past few years when we only had cm pa pac man ..

Now we have 100s of options ..some developers even kind enough to merge our 'wanted' changes in their rom.

So instead of looking at this thing as 'all are same with little changes' , look it as a 'single thing with 100s of options/modifications' to exactly suit your needs.

Yes its confusing sometimes especially when you are a nexus user ;)

Try a different oem if u want a great change on changing custom roms (migrating from touchwiz to vanilla android gives a wow feeling ;) )
[Nexus 4 General] forever_lol:
Of course they're 100 pretty much exactly the same roms out there. It's really hard to notice any difference among them. It´s all true. Also calling every room-cooker a developer is in my opinion little too much.

It's been already stated that if you want more variation is better to go for oem devices. however probably at the price of never getting fully working aosp/cm rom (unles we're talking about gpe devices). If you want variation go for flagship oems if you want to enjoy aosp go for nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] joegestes:
[Sarcasm ON]

"Same" is a relative term like "IS".

A relative term is that it is different for different people or situations. An example: someone who is 5 feet tall might think someone who is 5 feet six inches tall is tall, but someone who is 6 feet would think that that person is short.

So I voted no, I don't think all ROM's are the same but they are definitely very

similar.

[Sarcasm OFF]

:D

~Peace
[Nexus 4 General] cenonmin:
Agreed, there does not seem to be a lot of innovation in Lollipop ROM features. I have tried Euphoria, TeamUB, crDroid, Slim, RastaPOP, OminROM and XenonHD.

So far they all have the same features. The best one really is XenonHD with its custom long press and double-tap actions on the Nav Bar buttons. This is a great carry over feature from KitKat.

All the other ROMs suck in terms of "new" features.
[Nexus 4 General] dramalicious:
+1 ..
[Nexus 4 General] anikadam:
I guess after 3 4 yrs being on xda, flashing roms with different features, developers amazing us with new and unique features every few months, for me Now it all comes down to the daily use of these features

The PA per app color, pie and omni roms split screen were something that i could use as a daily driver. I really miss PA roms Pie, slimpie somehow is just isnt the same. I miss the tablet mode from PA too.

What i want as a user is a smooth stable rom with some basic tweaks that i dont find on a stock rom and less battery drain. Which i pretty much have with LiquidSmooth.

The speed of innovation has slowed down or rather there arent many more innovative things to do that can be used for daily use anymore i guess. Im not complaining here, just a thought.
[Nexus 4 General] Chinmay301:
Gravitybox :confused: or MiUi ;) CM is not same :p
[Nexus 4 General] flopower1996:
I really miss mahdi rom. It was so unique. The old good KK times :)
[Nexus 4 General] 22sl22:
Whilst I do agree with you to an extent I also agree with what others have said. It takes an enormous amount of effort and dedication to create something from the ground up that's totally new. Like [MENTION=1140856]zelendel[/MENTION] said the way forward is taking a rom and customizing it to your own liking, you just have to accept that.

Don't get me wrong, I love MIUI and I know what you mean. Right now my entire phone looks exactly like MIUI with RRO Themes but it just doesn't feel like MIUI. I also mean no disrespect to rom developers, I know people say they they are all the same etc but they all work hard in what they do and they deserve credit for that. They don't receive a fat paycheck in the post every month for their work on XDA, rom devs make what they want because that's what they like to enjoy doing. You can't expect anything from a group of people who receives nothing (broadly speaking)

The only thing I can suggest is to experiment with new options that are not on Lollipop but KitKat. But these roms are not on XDA, but rather places like BBS.Anzi and romzj. Roms like FIUI, MIUI Hybrid and Lucky Roms. Iv'e learnt to get used to the fact that things just aren't the same anymore and youv'e got to make the most of what the current roms have to offer and maybe you should to unless you want to trawl through dozens of Chinese forums like I used to do:

http://www.romzj.com/list/google_nexus4.htm

http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum-879-1.html

Hope I helped :good:
[Nexus 4 General] inaqi69:
NO !

Stock lollipop and cm12 nightlies they are different :D maybe due to customizations and tweaks i guess!
[Nexus 4 General] sercankd:
My phone shoots pistol from headphone jack with some unique rom. i dont know what do you even want, roms are created around a standartized design blueprints. better use cm12 and its theme engine
[Nexus 4 General] prog19:
The peak of customization and features was on kit Kat. Roms like vanir and mahdi reunited every single feature of any rom. That's why it was so unique. It was not the fastest rom out there, but wasnt lacking anything.

I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive :)
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
You guys could come up with new features and then make them. You have to understand that 5.x has changed alot and alot of what once could be done can no longer be done. Also with nexus devices you are limited to aosp based roms only. While great for that you do limit yourselves on options.
[Nexus 4 General] cenonmin:
+1 This was the best now Euphoria version same as all the others :'(
[Nexus 4 General] djsubterrain:
MIUI isn't going to be updated, stop waiting. It's not even based on KitKat yet for the Nexus 4 so if you think it's going to be updated with some Lollipop goodness then you're kidding yourself.

Resurrection Remix seems to be leagues ahead of the other roms.
[Nexus 4 General] hp420:
I can't help but agree, which is why I've pretty much given upon custom roms. I've been running vanilla aosp for over a year...almost two (since xposed first hit JB basically) because I've felt this way for a VERY long time!! CM just kind of gave up when JB came, and no one else has really innovated very much, except a few features here and there, which eventually get ripped out and kanged to oblivion....so then we are in the same place we are now....anything unique and inventive gets ripped and kanged, so we're in a catch-22. This is why I just use stock aosp with xposed. I feel it's probably the best way to get a unique custom rom these days.
[Nexus 4 General] BungleMX:
Android has grown up and learned from custom roms, so many features are now integrated to it.

just my 50 cents
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
I got it you are funny...

Not only Mahdi ROM but all of them. Unique PA, PAC MAN. All of them. But now all are same.

+1

Talking about dedication and efforts, I think new developers are more like porters. They are mixing one or two ROMs together and presenting it. But the main problem arises with big ROM porters. With so many similar ROMs, their ROMs are no more got any uniqueness.

Also at this moment, no special improvement is going on. I am hoping for something great.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Instead of complaining they are all the same why dont you make something that is not? You are on a DEVELOPERS site after all.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
MIUI is already available with Kitkat.

The main issue is that, only a single developer is working on it.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
Yup, you are right. +1
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Wow are you wrong there. There is a whole team working on MIUI. They are still based on KK 4.4.2. I have a feeling they are spending more time on their New OS based on firefox mobile that will replace MIUI.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
Yes it is somewhat true. But still devs have a lot of more customization they can do for sure, instead of ripping features from other ROMs and pasting in theirs.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
I was talking about MIUI for Nexus 4 brother. And 4.4.2 is Kitkat

And if we talk of global MIUI development, they are working hard. Because they want to include all the features to Lollipop, instead of other ROM developers like PA who just moved to Lollipop without implementing the features. Because in the later way it all becomes same.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
You I see you talk about everyone else yet what have you done? What contributions have you helped with? What code have you written?

Until you do some you really don't have any room to talk about others.

As for miui for the n4 all that is is another port.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
Hmmmm. I know you are the moderator and could be one great ROM developers or something great. But brother not all the members on this websites are developers. I got your point that we should stop complaining and do our own work.

But do you know, the Government is formed by those common people who just voted for it. Developers are important, but when there are no users for their ROMs it will become useless. And we want some new features why can't we ask for it.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
Same answer as above...
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
You are sadly mistaken about without users then roms would become pointless. We have been doing this long before most users even knew what a smartphone was. Here is a perfect exert from one of my older posts that will help explain things a bit more.

XDA is a developers site

XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only

XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Like Logcats and crash messages. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix". And even Maybe help fix what is broken.

XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.

XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.

XDA is not your friends house

XDA is not a democracy

XDA is not a place to make Money.

XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.

It is because of alot of users that main developers have given up all together. To many people saying gimme gimme and not willing to help out.

And if you think peoples vote matters then I will let you think that.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
It matters and will always be. If it wasn't, you would not have came here and gave explanations or fought for devs rights. And the exert is from your post. It is your thought and this is mine.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Its not just my thoughts. That single post almost 1500 thanks for most of the developers on this site. If you want to read the whole thing just click on my banner. I am not here to fight for dev rights. There is nothing to fight for. They do what they do and are not answerable to anyone. Not me, Not you not anyone but themselves. You would be amazed at the development that is and has gone on but is only shared with other developers or advanced users. This is due to people expecting things that they have no right to expect.
[Nexus 4 General] jer_ying_fd:
It's funny how users want to make this place the place they want it to be but not what the creator had intended it to be, isn't it zelendel?
[Nexus 4 General] forever_lol:
hmmm it looks like unless you are an actor you´re not allowed to criticize any movies or actors.... :D

I don't understand this rant over OP. He just stated the obvious and did it in respectful way, so what's the problem? Everybody is entitled to its own opinion.
[Nexus 4 General] hp420:
No one is trying to change the website. Some people just need to realize that just because this is a development site does not mean everyone here has to be a developer. If that were the case you never have testers, themers, etc. Variety is tne spice of life, and a community is only successful when everyone works together to get every job done....and developing apps, roms, etc. are hardly the only job involved in getting it out and running properly, so get off your high horses please.
[Nexus 4 General] jer_ying_fd:
I think the problem is that a sizeable portion of non-developers believe that they are entitled to get new features and showed no respect, it's this problem that prompted the forum to become more developer-centric than ever. So to sum it up, users' attitude.
[Nexus 4 General] forever_lol:
I respectfully disagree. The vast majority of users, including OP show their respect to developers, and always did. Really small percentage of users have acted like they deserve sth.

I've been observing this board for quite long time and it's always be that way: every time you say slightly critical towards anything/anybody remotely related to development sooner or later you´re gonna get flamed. No matter how constructive and polite your criticism is.

kinda culitc if you ask me.
[Nexus 4 General] jer_ying_fd:
I guess you are correct since the threads I go on are generally much more friendlier than what you said
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
The main thing I see an issue with is simple. You have not right to come down on some one until you have tried to do it yourself.

The OP stated that all roms are the same yet has not once tried to help in any way.

Now people say that not everyone here is a developer. Well this is true but you come here to change that. This site is to help people learn to do things themselves. It is not a rom site, a make my phone cool site, a user site or anything else. It is a site made for developers by developers.

It was also said that features are cut and pasted between roms yet this is also not true. While the features are the same, the code to make the features work across different roms are very different.

Let's take the MIUI battery bar as a perfect example. The base code that was used to make this work has been removed by Google. There are now 4 different codes to get it working again and none of it is the same.
[Nexus 4 General] djsubterrain:
Not on Nexus 4 it isn't
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
This is not completely true. XDA was a site for custom roms long before most even knew what a smart phone was. There were themes and testers then as well. The main difference was that the testers were not only reporting bugs with proper logs but were also offering fixes.

Getting a rom to be stable is not the end game and I think alot of people need to learn that. Developers do this to learn are try new things. Say they have a mod that works right. Yet they are not happy with the way it is coded. So they take the code and redo it. Then it becomes buggy. They redo it again and again until it works the way they want and the coding is how they want. They learned. Learning is the end game here. Roms are secondary.
[Nexus 4 General] 22sl22:
Yes it is,the current version is based off KitKat, MIUI V5, last updated in December. There is only one maintainer, Lushengduan who makes the rom and then there's Kingzak34 here on XDA who maintains the current thread.
[Nexus 4 General] hp420:
Please don't take anything I'm about to say personal...none of it is directed at any one person. It's a general open statement to everyone.

Again...we're beating that dead horse....not everyone knows how to code. That doesn't make them useless to this community. Lots of people will try, but it's just not for everyone. I feel like the theme of this conversation has become "developers don't want end users here unless they are also developers" and it's just wrong to think like that....not to mention prejudice in its most literal definition. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here, but if you don't like the way XDA is now then there's the door. I'm no dev, and I know 100% I will never be. I also know 100% I'm not leaving because any dev asks me to...so even if I'm the absolute last non-dev here, this site will never again be 100% devs. That's the reality. If any devs don't like that, there's some good news: you know how to code....go start your own website. Isn't that what you tell us non-devs all the time when someone complains?? How's it feel to be told that?? Right...remember it next time.
[Nexus 4 General] gautam.is.sharma:
Truth spoken....
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
Nothing personal.

Its not that anyone is not wanted here. Its that When people want to criticize others that people get upset. As an example. You take your care to a mechanic and then get mad and start calling his work out when you wouldnt even know where to start when you lift the hood.

As for devs starting their own site. The sad new is this is already happening. Many devs have already left the site because of things just like this. While some stay they even still share only their latest and newest development with users by PM or other means.

Its not that developers dont want people here but they do want people to learn. That is the whole point behind this site and why we put soo much into the sections to help teach people.

If people are not here to learn then it makes my wonder just why they are here.
[Nexus 4 General] 22sl22:
+1

I agree with you.

XDA and rooting has almost become too popular that some people just don't understand what goes on 'behind the scenes' so to speak to get roms and things working. Thus they expect too much because they don't really care about the developer, they just want to make their phone look and feel cool. (I know i'm generalizing but bear with me)

I also disagree, not everyone has to learn, they just need to be understanding and they need to read before posting. It's perfectly fine if your'e not a developer or don't know how to code

But at certain times iv'e just stopped answering q and a threads and stopped posting on XDA just because of the constant repetitive questions, I know that's a terrible thing to do but how many users just create an account and ask straight away without reading. How many silver spoons have to be fed to people? Like you said, this is causing more and more developers to leave the site which makes good roms harder to find. Before, most people used Goo.Im and they used to have a really good system in which you could see popular rom uploads, things that weren't on XDA but now no more..........

Anyway, like hp240 said, we are all flogging a dead horse over and over, I see no point for this thread to continue
[Nexus 4 General] prog19:
This thread should be closed, indeed.

I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive :)
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
I agree. This has gone on long enough. Thread closed
[LG Optimus 3D] sernix12:
Hello, I have a problem with the LG P920, the phone will not turn on, also did not show the logo of LG, but when I installed the drivers and pinned phone is detected OMAP4430. After the entry into download mode, the phone switches off once, and once given to flashing LG Flashtool but turns off once every 30 percent, 60 percent once and sometimes reaches 95 percent, and also turns off. The phone was charging rectifier just because the battery was very poor. Very please help, because I really care about this phone and do not want to get rid of it; x

The battery is definitely not broken, because I always kept a long time.

My english is bad, sorry ;/

Sorry about that for some time there have copied , just trying and I hope that will succeed
[LG Optimus 3D] shaqfu786:
It may be a faulty usb cable, mine too works well when charging, but when connected to pc its terrible, have to leave the phone completely still, if it moves it diconnects