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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emuyshondt:
I had tried this yesterday and checked the Enable advanced network functionality box. Today I unchecked it and suddenly the PC saw a new USB device (HTC Sync USB, I think). It still wouldn't sync automatically so I manually executed /windows/repllog.exe. This time it connected.

Some observations:

- After the connection was established the the name of my 8525 was changed to something different (something like WM_ComputerName1, Where ComputerName is my computer's host name). I changed the name back and was able to re-invoke repllog.exe and sync with the old name.

- If I disconnect the USB cable from the phone and plug it in again ActiveSync doesn't connect until I manually run repllog.exe. It does work when I run the exe on the phone manually.

I went ahead and started the upgrade process after connecting by running repllog.

Executing the RUU file from the HTC site first put SPL 1.11 on the phone and left the phone in bootloader mode (with the tricolor screen). I left the phone with bootloader screen and followed the instructions (although by now ActiveSync had shut down so the part about the AS connection that the installer asked for was not true). The progress bars appeared on both the phone and the PC. It took a few minutes to complete, but the update was successful.

After the upgrade I was able to sync over USB without any problems. I am now syncing my contact from Lotus Notes and setting things up to my liking. Once I got over the USB connection problem everything worked fine!
[Galaxy S6 General] Strategist:
This phone should have the main GS6 feature along with:

a)waterproof with more robust design

b)removable battery

c) card slot

d) thicker (around 9mm) to accommodate 3000+ mAh battery

It would be an absolute killer phone which would make power users happy. Maybe not a huge market but almost certainly big enough to be profitable. At the same time there will be enough differentiation from the main model; those who want thin metal/glass design will pick the GS6, those who want features will pick the Active version.

My guess is Samsung will in fact do this in a few months. It's an obvious move.
[Galaxy S6 General] trein91:
My hope as well. But being an Active version, it will have 3 hardware keys for Recents, Home and Back, rather than one physical Home button as is now. :(
[Galaxy S6 General] PIRATA!:
Where did you find these informations???
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
It's speculation based on the S4 Active and S5 Active plus a desire to see the S6's compromises fixed...
[Galaxy S6 General] frankgreimes:
This would be brilliant and at least show that Samsung hasn't lost all their senses.

Also I would love having the recent apps and back button physical again because the consecutive ones are too easy to press accidentally.
[Galaxy S6 General] CLARiiON:
If I was Samsung, this is the

last

thing I would consider. Power users are niche market, maybe just 1-2% of the market.

So, I see no reason why Samsung will even consider this. At best they will make a water proof cover or a limited version which is water resistant. Nothing much more.
[Galaxy S6 General] tft:
oh shut it, what do you care if they decide to release another verion? so only 1% of people that buy a samsung phone uses the sd card? lol.

i know why.. you just dont want to have buyers remorse for being an early adopter when a new s6 comes out 3 months later that is water resistant with an sd card. ;)
[Galaxy S6 General] CLARiiON:
1. I currently use a Nexus. So, the expandable storage, removable battery, water proofing doesn't matter to me.

2. I never bought Samsung phone during initial launch, always wait for prices to stabilize.

Next time you assume something, just remind yourself not to do it.

I don't care whether Samsung releases it or not, because it doesn't matter to me. It makes no sense to release it from business perspective as niche market is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If Apple can sell 75m without any such features, I am sure Samsung could also sell decent amount (not necessarily as much as Apple considering the brand pull of Apple).
[Galaxy S6 General] joshm.1219:
Exactly. I would love for this to be real too, but it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
Talking about assumptions....have you considered that Apple might sell even more if it had those features? :rolleyes:

Also, your presumption that only "power-users" would buy those features is at best misguided. Most people who buy the so-called Active versions aren't power users, just...users who are into fitness, sports, the outdoors etc. Many in that group may not care about ALL the features but they care enough about some to seek out those models (or just buy regular flagships that have the least worst set of compromises e.g. Sony Xperias or the S5).

Samsung can and has outsold Apple. It isn't that difficult to do on a level playing field. Just ask Apple's lawyers why they keep launching stupid lawsuits when

none

of the technology these devices use originates with Apple.
[Galaxy S6 General] hella356:
Unfortunately, looking at the specs for the S4 Active & S5 Active reveals that they are prohibitively larger & heavier than the normal versions, at least for me. I don't use cases on my phones; I accept the risks in exchange for having lighter weight, easier handling, and quicker access to the internals. Looks like my hopes to get an up-to-date and seriously souped-up version of my aging S4 will not happen unless the Saygus V2 sees the light of day, or the G4/Z4 offers what I'm looking for. Any of those will probably be a step down in terms of screen quality to even the S4, but I'd rather sacrifice some screen performance for the important features I want.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
Why then do you ignore the soon-to-be-much-cheaper Galaxy S5 (qualcomm models)?

Once the bloated touchwiz stock rom is replaced with a lighter AOSP rom, it should be fast enough to use for years.
[Galaxy S6 General] CLARiiON:
You should read what others type - I said niche, not power-users. The question is about priority.

S5 had removable battery, SD card, water resistant and yet Apple

might

have sold more iPhones in single quarter what S5 sold in whole year. I say might beacuse Samsung doesn't reveal break-up of individual models. It's safe to assume S5 sold less than S4 and subsequently less than iPhone.

So you would have to think what is people giving priority to? SD card, water resistant is definitely a plus point, no consumer will say that he won't get a device if it's water resistant. But it looks like these parameters are not "must" for many consumers. People are still buying iPhone even when these options are missing. This tells us that even though these things are welcome, they are not mandatory for consumers to make a purchase decision.

As for sales, Samsung's S-series never outsold iPhone by itself. They are the highest among Android phones, but not as many as iPhones. Samsung outsold Apple many times in total smartphones (low/mid range combined), not as a individual model. They are trying to get back in the groove, and that's easily understandable after the S5 sales performance.
[Galaxy S6 General] joshm.1219:
You know Samsung sells lots of different phones at different price points right?
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
You actually said (typed?!?) both:

The implication is clear. The speculative feature set of GS6 Active was only for power-users who were a niche market.

This is equally plausible given you don't know the figures: Apple

might

have sold

less

iPhones in a single quarter than the S5 sold in a whole year.

It is disingenious of you to compare total sales of

all

Apple iPhone smartphone models to just

one

Samsung smartphone model.

Why is it safe to assume S5 sold less units than the S4?

You've just argued that some consumers are happy to buy a device without one or more of these features. We already knew that.

You've already admitted that you have no way of knowing if the Samsung S series ever outsold all iPhone models combined. So, why make this claim?

I repeat, why compare a single model when the whole market is the real target? Samsung Galaxy Note users are potential customers Apple lost to Samsung too. As are Galaxy Alpha users, Galaxy Grand...

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Yes.

Why did you ask? :confused:
[Galaxy S6 General] joshm.1219:
Your post implies that the fact that Samsung has sold more phones than Apple in some past quarters validates the features of its flagship device vs an iPhone, when you're not comparing the sales of one model vs another but rather 1,000 models vs one.

I'm a definite Samsung fan, but I know the reality of the market, and the iPhone has wayyyy more sales than the S series.

So you can't try to use sales as a validation of features on your side of the argument.
[Galaxy S6 General] hella356:
I've been holding out for the S6, assuming it would retain the features the S series had always had, because the S5 didn't represent enough of a step forward over the S4 to justify spending the money. In terms of screen, RAM, CPU, UFS, OIS, etc., the S6 is a much bigger jump over the S5 than the S5 over the S4. The only big improvement the S5 has over the S4 is water resistance, but this comes at a price of being larger & heavier than the S4 than it should be, considering it's only a 0.1" larger screen. However, if the G4, Z4, & Saygus V2 (which won't have WiFi calling, but might still be so good that I can suffer without it) don't pan out, I'd take the S5 over the S6, even at the same price. Now, if they do make an Active S6 with the extra hardware features, and it was comparable in size and weight to the S5, I'd pony up extra $ for the S6A without hesitation.

TMo is still charging $410 for the S4 & $530 for the S5, so it doesn't look like the S5 is going to be very cheap anytime soon. I am still too in need of TMo WiFi calling to use anything but a stock-based, custom TW ROM, but that's never actually been a problem for me - I've always preferred the TW ROMs to AOSP. Realistically, the S4 is still fast enough. Still yet to see if TMo offers WiFi calling on the S6, anyway.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
My assertion that Samsung can and has sold more smartphones than Apple (which is a fact) was in response to this:

I wasn't using sales to justify features of

the flagship

as you put it. Anyway.....is the Galaxy Note a flagship? What about the Galaxy Alpha?

I don't know the model-by-model breakdown of Samsung's sales and I suspect, neither do you. Nevertheless, popular consensus is that the combined sales of all iPhone models yearly may be higher than that for the Galaxy S series. It is speculation at best but....
[Galaxy S6 General] Strategist:
Even if that 1-2% number is true that that would be 10-20 million potential customers given the vast size of the smartphone market. And they would be buying a premium phone with high margins. That is potentially worth billions of dollars of profit and it would be pretty foolish for Samsung to leave it on the table.

And it's not as if there would be a vast overhead involved. The could re-use the GS5 Active design with a few modifications. Marketing costs would be minimal since it would be targeted to power users who follow tech news closely. Overall I think it's a fairly easy business call.
[Galaxy S6 General] lopri:
Now this is something I can support and hope to see happening.
[Galaxy S6 General] CLARiiON:
Read before you argue.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-said-not-selling-as-well-as-s4/

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/24/7273817/samsung-management-shakeup

Hint: Check the date.

It's clear enough that S5 didn't sell that much. And it's also very clear that individual S-series models didn't sell as well as their iPhone counterparts. Highest number I can find is 60 million for S3. If you can find something more concrete, feel free to share.

If S-series sold as high as iPhones, ASP of Samsung would be much higher than it's presently. They are not even half of Apple's ASP. How do you explain that if you claim that S-series sold as good as iPhones?
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
Argue?. I asked:

Your links are your response to that question.

If Samsung published Galaxy S sales numbers, you would just link to them. They don't.

The S5 didn't sell as much as Samsung predicted is all I got from those links and what I've read previously. Samsung announced it was selling faster than the S4 for a while after it's launch then, the iPhone6 was released...

When Samsung announces it sold less than the S4 over the year, I'd like a link.

That's a baseless assumption on your part. What part does a minimally taxed $100bn+ cash surplus play in Apple's figures?
[Galaxy S6 General] CLARiiON:
Have you supplied any data so far? Read the Internet.
[Galaxy S6 General] lopri:
I've heard that it is quite popular to carry removable batteries in Asian market. It would not surprise me to see Samsung introducing the S6 "Active" later on.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
In this particular case, the data will have to come from Apple and Samsung. Since that data is unavailable (Samsung at least supplies no breakdown), all this is speculative journalism. Might reflect reality, might not.

That Samsung's ASP is lower than Apple's ASP is a no-brainer. It has a presence in all segments of the phone market (smart and dumb). Flagship devices sales represent a very small minority of the 1bn+ devices sold annually.
[Galaxy S6 General] tft:
who is making assumptions again?

most people on this website are "power" users" maybe this website is pointless as it's a "niche" market with hundreds of thousands of users.. you are obviously the minority here..
[Galaxy S6 General] FIREONHIGH:
i love amoled, but if they will not make a water proof phone?, hello SONY:good:
[Galaxy S6 General] tenxo:
The internet? You can find much false or bias information that way...

Why does Samsung need to match sales of Apple phones? Apple is Apple! Samsung produces practically everything that's electronic for one, and still manages to BLOW all other Android device sales out the water! To be fair to Samsung you would need to use sales from all their mobile phones, S, Note, Active, Alpha etc. Round that figure up, then compare it to Apple sales...

Why? Because Apple is only competing against Android and Windows phone for sales. Samsung had to compete with Apple, Windows, and Android itself because of all the other Android phone manufactures. Big names Google, Sony, LG, HTC and small and start ups like Sayvus V2.

Look at it like this...if other companies could ship their phone builds with IOS like Android allows, what would happen to Apple's phone (Apple would still be raking in the dough)? It would sell probably a quarter of its level of sales to the die hard Apple fans. Many would go for the budget phones from say Lenovo etc with IOS. Then we could compare the Iphone to galaxy S, and 6+ to the Note definitively. What if Samsung was the only phone maker on Android what is it 80/20 Android to Apple phone market share worldwide?

Thats why I hate the Apple, Samsung, comparison thing, with people feeling that Apple is owning Samsung in sales.

Lastly if the galaxy S6 or Note 4 for that matter could be a IOS phone, would anybody pick the iPhone 6, 6+?

ON TOPIC...hopefully they omitted these features so they can justify/boost the Active variant sales. They should announce it sooner than later and release at the same time as the others so everyone can buy the S6 they want!

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[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
I think the Active variant usually appear around June....so, not too long to wait.
[Galaxy S6 General] CLARiiON:
A graph is not bias, it's information. Can you prove that the graph is fabricated??

Why not?? :confused:

You must be unique if you think that a commercial company doesn't want greater share of profits. Samsung, I'm sure not only wants same profit as Apple, but they would want to surpass Apple in long run. They would be mad if they didn't

want

that.
[Galaxy S6 General] tenxo:
Did you produce the above in your graph? So you don't want it to be fair comparison?

How many phones does Apple launch, one per year, until the exception 2014. So they had a fan base sadly STUCK with no options other then upgrade to the next newer Iphone if you want IOS. Androids have many many options to spend their money with many companies, yet still Samsung alone can compete with EVERYONE in Android as well as Apple.

You like that graph! Did you look and compare EVERY graph that could be found on the internet? No?...Bias lately? So how is that one graph you like gospel?

I never said Samsung it's not trying to be the best. I was pointing to the unfair, uniformed, general comparisons made about Apple beating Samsung when as you even pointed out Samsung don't release the actual information. Also giving Samsung's involvement in everything else we don't know how they cherish this mobile division.

You know what you WIN! By the way thanks for linking to those videos in the other thread, I subscribed! [emoji106] [emoji4]

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[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
Burden of Proof fallacy?

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What videos? :D
[Galaxy S6 General] tenxo:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3045206

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[Galaxy S6 General] Super Chimp:
I like the way you think having these features automatically makes you a power user. I don't see Samsung doing this as they need to stop producing multiple versions of similar devices as it just dilutes the market.
[Galaxy S6 General] Strategist:
Where did I say anything about "automatically"? However I have read enough around the net to know that many power users do in fact want those features. And I don't see any "dilution" here. One size doesn't fit all. This phone would offer meaningful differentiation from their flagship while still offering something of value to many users.
[Galaxy S6 General] tepsarit:
I agreed on this.
[Galaxy S6 General] tft:
look at car manufacturers, an example would be Mercedes-Benz / BMW.. they make about 20 different models of practically the same car with minor variations.

if anything it gives people options to buy what they want to suit their needs. it would be a boring world if everyone had the same car or phone..

honestly, i think people who have a problem with this just hate the fact that they just spent money on something only for it to be obsolete in a few months.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
[MENTION=4365619]Strategist[/MENTION] wrote:

It would be an absolute killer phone which would make power users happy​

This does not have the same meaning as:

It would be an absolute killer phone which would make

only

power users happy​

nor does it mean:

It would be an absolute killer phone which would make

all it's users into happy power users

​

I agree, Samsung does make far too many smartphone models. It's a needlessly expensive and unneccessary strategy.

Price last year's flagship model as this year's midranger (in phone/phablet/tablet segments) and put out a few competitively priced budget models to see off the Micromaxes..
[Galaxy S6 General] lowspeed:
Seems like it's going to happen. I'm waiting for it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s6-active-quad-hd-resolution-spotted-uaprof-1491101
[Galaxy S6 General] PIRATA!:
You mean regular S6 could exist with removable battery for the Asian market?
[Galaxy S6 General] David_freestyle:
Totally agree
[Galaxy S6 General] hella356:
The downside is that if an S6 Active is released, it'll be significantly larger, thicker, heavier, and will have all hardware buttons, if the past releases are any indication. The S4 version didn't even keep the AMOLED screen of the base S4 model. What I assume most power users want is SD & removable battery in an S6 that is more or less the same as the standard S6 in all other areas, only with an access panel for the card & battery. Water resistance, as well, but I think with most phones you can find a waterproof aftermarket case. An active or rugged phone is pretty much a phone with a built-in case that you can't remove or change. I personally find cases add too much in terms of size and weight to be worthwhile, and I'm willing to take my chances without one. An S6 Active would kill one of the main reasons I'd be interested in the S6 in the first place: compactness & weight relative to the screen size.
[Galaxy S6 General] TheEndHK:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s6-active-quad-hd-resolution-spotted-uaprof-1491101

S6 Active is already coming with a model name of SM-G890A.
[Galaxy S6 General] Super Chimp:
But is the car industry that comparable to the mobile phone industry, I'm not so sure myself.
[Galaxy S6 General] chrcol:
also that been thicker means it easier to pick up and hold.
[Galaxy S6 General] David_freestyle:
But that's strange, only there?
[Galaxy S6 General] tft:
uhm, it doesn't apply to only cars. have you ever been in a electronic store? zillions of TVs models, cameras, computers, etc. that are similar with different features/prices by the same manufacturer.

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so just as predicted, there is a leak of a S6 Active spotted in one of the carriers (AT&T) database that it waterproof and has a 3,500mAh battery.

link: http://www.sammobile.com/2015/03/11...pecifications-confirmed-att-gets-first-taste/
[Galaxy S6 General] tenxo:
Yeeesssssssss! ! ! Hope the home button stays the same and keeps the finger print scanner, and capacitive menu and back buttons. Super strategy Samsung! ! !

Edit: WAIT, most of the Actives I've seen have been on AT&T, the linked article says that "AT&T gets first taste" this better not be that carrier elusive BS[emoji19] [emoji20] [emoji35] I'm with T-Mobile

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[Galaxy S6 General] hella356:
Just as I feared: quite a bit larger in all dimensions, undoubtedly will weigh significantly more, & still no confirmation of SD card or whether the battery is replaceable. Ugh.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
Still Exynos.....shame.
[Galaxy S6 General] tft:
well for one it has a 3,500mAh battery so it has to be bigger. considering that is it water resistant, rugged and a much larger battery it's not that much bigger than the S6.

eh, Exynos is here to stay. doubt we'll see another samsung flagship phone with a hot running Qualcomm chip.. ;)
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
If Samsung was as open and developer friendly as Qualcomm, Exynos Inside wouldn't be a negative but...
[Galaxy S6 General] Tron666:
Fk off!
[Galaxy S6 General] JasonJoel:
If exynos is a problem for you, please close this XDA window and never open it again.

It is extremely likely all new (non bargain) Galaxy phones will be Exynos from now on.

No need complaining about it. If it doesn't meet your needs, buy a different phone.
[Galaxy S6 General] MiyagiSan:
No need complaining about my post. If it doesn't meet your criteria, read other posts that do.
[Galaxy S6 General] hella356:
True, but if this is what it takes to get water resistance (still no word on whether SD card slot is included or whether the battery is actually removable) it's off my list. Water resistance isn't nearly as important (to me) as SD and removable battery, and I willingly don't use a case due to size and weight factors. And although that battery probably gives incredible battery life, I'd still rather have a lighter, smaller capacity battery with the option of carrying one or two additional batteries in my backpack or suitcase. The S6 Active also might cost more than the standard S6. However, this phone would probably be very attractive to a lot of users. What I wish Samsung had done is something like an S6-E (for Expandable) that was otherwise the same as the S6, but with SD and removable battery. Probably would be slightly thicker and heavier, but still manageable. The S6 Active (with that big, heavy battery) will probably weigh in the range of the Note. D'oh!