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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] xManMythLegend:
I'd switch for the beautiful handset and camera. But in actuality there's no way the lowlights performance is THAT much improved as they claim.

S6/edge are absolutely gorgeous. Battery life for 4 hours after 10 min charge is enough to nullify most reasons for battery swapping.

The Microsd missing is a HUGE deal for me. I need the storage.

What I worry about most is the continuing removal of features.

Some are super important to me. If they actually enhanced and perfected the ones they left I guess that would be ok. But for the Note 5 I'd be extremely bummed to see no micro SD and feature removal.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
I might switch to the S6 Edge. I feel the need to use my Jump. LoL. I like phones with new designs. I got tired of the same old Samsung phones so switched to LG. I had the G2,G3 and a Flex. The Note 4 design change/premium feel brought me back to Samsung. In the summer I like having a smaller phone.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Amd4life:
No SD card, and it's a no go for me. 128gb native is great, and fast....but I hate cloud anything (dinosaur thought I know), but at $1,000 I might as well buy a iPhone. That is too much for slow updates and terrible warranties.

That glass back is useless once you put a case on it, it's looks great out the box, then you stick a price of rubber or hard plastic on it, never to see it again.

I really hope they leave the note4 form factor ALONE since I don't really like LG phones . This phone is basically perfect!. Great screen size, battery life, camera etc...

All I want in the note5 are dual front speakers l, an improved wireless ac antennae, and a 64bit processor, leave the rest alone.

How are people rebooting the phone in case of issue, without being able to pull the battery to go into recovery or download mode?? I'm sure there is a button setup, that I don't know.

I don't see how it improves usability and value by each iteration CUTTING features while increasing the price.

For example why not bring back the usb3 connector , but improve the controller so that it's always on, instead in of having to check a box to transfer at the higher sped like on the note3.

I hate the slow transfer speed.

Rant over
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] FrankJL_:
You as a human will NEVER see the difference or benefit of having a 64bit processor. If you are a numbers junkie fine. But a 64bit processor is as about as useless as the glass back on the new s6.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] MajorTom_:
oh no I wouldn't compare it to my note 4.

But if the the Note 5 isn't as enticing I might look at LGs new flagship.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
ya i ain't worried about the f1.9 when we have a f2.0 no biggie
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Face_Plant:
I thought the Note 4 was f2.2?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] masri1987:
yeah 2.2 you are right, still, i'm taking great night-time pix on my note 4, way better than my g2
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Qwallace70129:
OK...I'm sorry for this but ALUMINIUM IS NOT A PREMIUM MATERIAL. Ive been a welder for 20 years and my dad was a metallurgist. Aluminum is brittle, horrible impact dispersal, loses it structural rigidity the instant it's bent or impacted and is actually really cheap. Think of it this way.......Cadillac uses aluminum body panels........ Pagani, McLaren, and the real high end auto market use composite materials like polycarbonates and carbon fibers. Go read why supercars don't use aluminum over composites and then tell me that aluminum is premium and deserving of the price tag they put on it....

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Sorry for the rant. But that really grinds my gears....
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I think context is a very large factor here. Heck to spin it in a different direction, some high car companies have put their names on some horrible "premium" designs. I could name a lot more "premium" materials but that is only one part of the equation...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nosympathy:
What about the military grade aluminum some are using now. On trucks even.

You are also speaking for a way that different materials hold up. In terms of look and feel I would take aluminum over carbon fiber any day for a phone material. Same with many other materials.

That and a phone won't be subject to the same conditions as a 2500+lb vehicle.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] hello00:
note 4 for me all day every day of the week
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Erazo1986:
Note impressed, looks like a damn iPhone and I personally dislike the whole "edge" crap. What a waste of Samsung's time, research, and development.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Illusive Man:
I'm watching Samsung closely on this one. If they do the same with the Note 5 (no user changeable battery and no expandable memory) then I will have to say goodbye to Samsung. I only believe in brand loyalty as long as the brand is taking care of the consumer.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] boodies:
Loving my Note 4 but I wished they came out with a S6 sized Note. It woudl be called the Galaxy S6 Note...

ps - and those of you who says youll leave samsung, where da hell you gonna go to.... htc? rofl
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Burley1:
I don't necessarily agree. I like the look, I don't like the fingerprints on the glass back. I truly don't like the my Note 4 because its too big " I have huge hands". I love my gear vr though.

Anymore, here are my thoughts; 5" screen max. alloy frame like note 4 and removable back like note 4, expandable memory. So basically the Galaxy Alpha.

my 2 cents
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] gs3user70:
I don't think Samsung is going to put the changes on the made to the Galaxy S6 to the Note 5. Think about it, the Note series is targeted towards professionals who require phones that can do a lot, just look at commercials and reviews. People that are always on the move and are always on their phone taking notes and signatures and stuff. If they take out the ability to swap batteries and the SD card they going to alienate the customers for which the Note series is created for where as the galaxy S series is targeted towards the general consumer. Plus the note series sells at a premium why would they cut features.

Edit: May be Samsung just want to sell the Note series more, So the people that want a sd card and removable battery have to buy a note thus selling more of them. Kind of like Apple putting ois in the 6 plus but not the 6.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I know tons of on the go business folks that use iPhones.. I take all my meeting notes on my Note 4 and I have never swapped a battery or needed an SD card, granted that is just me but I highly doubt removing battery access and SD cards will alienate "Business oriented power users".

Im not saying its a good idea or a bad idea though.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dkb218:
I'm of the mind that Sammy won't be kill the SD or removable battery on the Note series. The S series is meant to compete with the iPhone. - hence the similarities and changes. The Note series has a devoted customer base that will cry foul if our precious device is changed too much.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] cbutters:
Lol, I'm having flashbacks to 2003. Didn't we settle the 64 bit vs 32 bit argument back then? It's obviously an essential step forward in moving mobile hardware architecture forward.

Yes I'll concede that you are absolutely right. at this point in the game, you are probably BETTER off with 32-bit at this stage in the game. 64 bit vs. 32 bit with our current generations of phones and chipsets will probably even be slower with 64bit architecture vs their 32 bit counterparts. (64 bit compiled apps take more space in memory, there might be computation expensive 32 bit emulation that needs to take place as well for legacy apps)

But the bottom line is that if you ever want to see phones that can properly address more than ~3GB of memory, 64-bit is a must. and I'd love to have one of the first phones that takes a stab at it... but on topic, whether it is 64 bit or not the S6 is not up my alley.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
In my mind, the situation regarding upgradable storage on phones is very similar to that re: desktops/laptops and memory (RAM). To explain, I would take a multi-boot Hackintosh over Apple hardware any day, and not just be

cause I like to build computers. With the Hackintosh (even certain laptops) I can upgrade the memory (or any component... I've actually been thinking about replacing my motherboard but keeping my 2500K CPU which is still plenty sufficient) by finding some DIMMs on sale, cracking open my case, and popping 'em in. Last time I paid any attention to Apple hardware was when they started soldering DIMMs in place in MacBook Airs, disallowing users from even performing the most basic upgrade themselves, with the "special" Apple specific memory, at 2x the cost. Want more memory? No problem, just pay us 3x the cost of a DIMM and come back to pick your computer up in a couple days! Same deal with the S6; increasing trend of preventing end users from performing their own maintenance / storage. More storage? Sure, for the cost of several micro sd cards!

A true mystery to me is why any phone manufacturers would ever put form ahead of function. I wonder what percent of Samsung owners choose that brand solely because of the storage and battery? That's pretty close to the case for me, I mean there are certainly other considerations, but I only bother to include Samsung on my list of options and grant them those considerations due to the battery and sd. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see how this sells.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Persianhawkes:
I'm going to ride my Note 4 to the end. No SD is a dealbreaker for me as I constantly flash my ROM's from the SD card as I always do clean installs.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] RaiderWill:
DK.. in the bigger scheme of things.. the "Customer Base" you refer to that would "Cry Foul" is so small it's not worth mentioning.. :cool:

4.5 Million Note's sold the 1st month.. about 10 Million total as of now.. how many more do you think would be purchased by corporations everywhere if the Note 4 were more secure?

Micro-SD introduces backdoors.. :cool:

Vulnerability.. Security must be at a *Premium* and styling is a *Must* going forward thus.. the S6.. it's slim, sealed.. and secure.

As an enthusiast.. yes we want to keep our Battery Door and SD-Slot wide open..:cool:

Your Joe Blow average consumer really does not care..: they want a Killer Screen and Killer Style :cool:

By following the S6's lead, the Note 5 can not only conform to Corporate.. but it can conform to the Google-Standard as well.. which is NO Micro-SD

For what it's worth... Those two players Outrank you and I and the other 10,000 to 20,000 or so that would miss plastic snapoff covers and little sd-card storage trays..

Not to worry... we'll still have our beloved S-Pen! And no one said you can not just keep your Note 4 ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] galaxyuser88:
New ad that samsung is gonna use..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Tiffany84:
I love the look of the S6 Edge. I've been imagining in my head how amazing it would feel swiping in from the sides, which is used a lot in LP. As far as specs go, like CPU, memory, ram, etc... the S6 looks like a force to be reckoned with. I've always loved the power of exynos but due to Samsung's closed nature, development has always taken a hit and that's a big deciding factor for me when purchasing a new phone. I also love the visual changes Samsung has made to TW. Still not perfect but TW on the S6 looks so much better to me than TW on the Note 4. The decision of not including an SD slot I don't love but having owned phones in the past that did not have it I would not completely rule a phone out because of it. Especially with adding the 128gb option. The only problem with that route is price and that's a rather large problem. The decision to do away with a removable battery, again I don't love it but I've dealt with it before and it's not something that would make me not buy a device. I'm really not in favor of the glass back. Yes, it looks good but I worry enough about breaking the front alone. Then having to worry about the back as well would drive me crazy and I'm sure it's a rather large fingerprint magnet. I do know I would have a really hard time going to a smaller screen. Once you get used to having a large screen it's hard to go back. So that, along with the price would be my two biggest strikes against it so far. I guess it just comes down to seeing it in person and being able to play around with it. As well as seeing where root/development goes. I'm also curious to see how the exynos does in the battery life department. Overall, with just from what I've seen and read online, I like a lot of things Samsung did. While I may not agree with all of there decisions, I can understand why they made MOST of them. Only time will tell but I do think they will sell like crazy and the bottom line is, when your running a business, that's your main priority.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
Yea the S6 Edge is a really nice looking phone. I could care less about a sd slot or removable battery and more then likely get a S6 Edge. I internal space left even with having Roms and 5GB of pictures. lol I'm happy with quick charge and wireless charging built in. I'm not worried if the S6 is a finger print magnet. I'll use a thin case or get a skin if need be. Also I'm ocd cleaning my phone. I also might have a issue with going to a smaller screen but will probably adjust after a few days. Being the phone junkie I am and having Jump I'll probably get the Note 5. lol I really like how Samsung is stepping up making nice looking phones that feel premium and changing designs. I like LG but can't see me going back as of now. HTC is ok but the M9 is pretty much like the M8. Some Note 4 users are saying they are done with Samsung if they leave the sd slot out of the Note 5 but they will give up the s-pen. I'm wondering what manufacture they switch to. I doubt they leave the sd card out though. lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] MajorTom_:
If I can continue upgrading phones every 1 1/2 years then removable battery isn't too big a deal but I dn't know if I'll be able to afford quick updates all the time so having a good battery is a must.

Would it be possible to include a sdcard tray the way an iphone holds the sim card tray?

I was with HTC for a while and I can't say it was much fun not having an sd card.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] chong67:
I hope the Note 5 will have removeable battery & microSD.

I am about to fly for 19 hrs and i like the joy of watching movies 19 hrs with my two extra batteries on stand by!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
Damn I would be sleeping. LoL
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Rayan:
Exactly, there's simply no excuse not to include a MicroSD card slot. If you already have a cradled slot for the SIM, why not do the same for the MicroSD?

Simply unacceptable!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Because you absolutely need a sim? How much memory goes on the device?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Rayan:
Really? I was not asking why there is a SIM... But more like how difficult it really is to put a stupid MicroSD card slot in there...

And I don't know about you, but internal memory for me is not enough, especially so with these high resolution cameras and when paired to a Gear VR you will need all the memory space possible to cram all those 3D movies and such.

Anyway... Not gonna accept a crippled device.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I know you weren't asking why they have a sim but the loose comparison that is you can create a tray for a sim so why not a micro sd card seems to be simplifying it a bit. The tray, additions to the main motherboard, the changes to the software to take into account the SD card... All those are considerations as well..

Mind you I don't see why they wouldn't include one but at the same time I havent used one in years so it's take it or leave it with me.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Ragnar:
The simple reason they would not include one has been mentioned. Simply it comes down to making money.

They eliminate one factor which cost money in manufacturing, but they also gain 100'ds of thousands from major corporations who provide phones for their employees. The SD Card poses a possible vulnerability to security on the phone.

Thus they may forsake several thousand people who like messing with their phones and rooting it etc...for the millions they will make with those who do not care for that but for a more secure device.

They also force the hand of those users to start using their apps for storage and their Samsung cloud etc.....they are simply following an excellent marketing strategy laid out by Apple many years ago and creating sheep like followers.

Trust me for everyone of us that uses XDA and loves to tinker with their device There are 500 who don't care and all they hear is more secure...it all comes down to $$

Edfunkycold

Have a great day!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Rayan:
I know memory storage expansion is not for everyone, but like they say, its better to have it and not need it, than needing it and not having it.

Cheers!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Amen, exactly what I mentioned.

I hate it but it all come down to business.

Samsung want to knock down apple everywehre

Only way to do that is to drop SD cards and removability of batteries...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Curious what is exactly the security issue with SDcards? Also how does having or not having SDcard affect how much tinkering you can do?

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How does a sealed battery and lack of an SD card make sammy more competitive to apple?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
I guess you missed the part where it was stated they are going after the business industrial and corporation world...something apple has long put a claim on with a chain

Its not about consumer satisfaction...its about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the big fishies, apple is king there my friend.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
I agree with every point that you made, but just wanted to comment on this from a "practical" standpoint. Try picturing the phone in, even the most form-fitting / stylish case, that you can imagine. I personally can't mentally bend physics enough to form a mental image that doesn't detract from the appearance significantly. Additionally considering the difficulty that we've had finding an "acceptable" screen protector on our own flagship phone, the aesthetics of both incarnations of the S6, for me, practically negate the supposed "trade-off" of improved design in exchange for user-accessible elements.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
My blackberry, for my corporate job has an sdcard slot.. Also has a removable battery.. I guess I missed the part where that was a security issue that put Apple in a better strategic position.

In places where they are really worried about security we leave our phones at the door and all content is signed by PKI certs on my ID card.. Of course not having an external sd doesnt make me any safer from the outside world since I can install what I want from the internet as is..

maybe I missed something other than assumption, unless someone has a security white paper they can share

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Also because I know it will be brought up, I realize more people have iPhones than blackberry's but a huge majority of it (especially when I am looking at pricing estimates and the justification of one phone over another) is personal choice, status.. if you could pick a black berry or an iPhone which would you pick? It isn't about security and certainly having an SDcard isn't making me any less secure than having internal memory and access to the internet.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Lol, if blackberry still ruled the corporation world I guess I can put some significance on that.

End of the day, Samsung is not here to satisfy my junkie need for an sd card

because they have been on this security b.s since the gs4 was released

Google got on the down with the SD card train with kit kat

we were hoping samsung would not crack under the pressure

....#thestrugle...

Samsung want to be the company you can trust and eliminating any "security" risk is their way of doing that.

There is a reason you do not find a samsung tablet at stores who are now getting with the technology rave...its all apples.

There is a reason after school programs aren't on samsung tablets...I have worked with my share

Frankly, I feel samsung want to be like apple.

There I said it...its a shame considering I had the s3, s4, s5, note 3, note 4, and their tablets.

The disappointment is real
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Also I'm asking these questions because I see a lot of very specific reasons being thrown around for why Samsung does X or Y and even get snarky responses of "you must've missed XYZ" when in actuality XY and Z are water cooler rumor mill. It isn't rocket science to understand costs are decreased when you take out a component, even more so when you look at the number of devices pushed through full rate production.. But to say removable batteries and SD cards are scaring away security contentious businesses seems to be a reach. Frankly if you want to make an impact in terms of corporate devices you get cheaper, and that I can see with built in batteries and no sdcard..

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And it couldnt be the shotty build quality stigma attached to android devices, the larger dev support for apps on Apple, or simply the fact that the average baby boomer not too long ago called everything an iPhone regardless of what it was. Marketing got apple where it is. Not advances in security. At least thats my assumption out of the many.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Cost of production are decreased? True....is this decreasing the cost of the phone though? Come on....

I mean...seriously, come on lol you do know how much the samsung devices are worth right?

And you do KNOW how much the s6 and the edge are going to be right despite

lack of SD card, lack of removable battery, lack of water "resistance" (something that had everyone jumping up and down on the s5)

I will just end this discussion here.

P.S the comment was not "snarky" I simply meant what I wrote, You must have missed the part where it was mention

I realize we are online and sometimes it IS hard to know the tone someone is trying to convey, take care my friend
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Anyone can mention anything but I was asking for it to be substantiated, which ultimately it wasn't. How much they are worth and how much they cost are two different things. The costs exist as drug deals between the manufacturers and carriers to push users into contracts. I can tell you now when we order in bulk we order at cost.. NOT MSRP.. Huge difference.. Good discussion I suppose though.