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[One (M9) General] Icyman:
First, the new diesel engines are NOT heavy polluters. When I step down on my 2011.5 Ram 3500 with a Cummins diesel engine, guess what? No white smoke. Welcome to the EPA. And I didn't know that they made nonpolluting jets. Thanks for the info.

Second , my analogy that maybe a non-working man can't relate to, sorry, is merely recognizing that all the flash, glamour and high end premium feel doesn't make you more productive or useful. The M9 is a work horse capable of hosting all your files. It's storage is limited only to the number and size of SD cards you use.

I realize most consumers see their phone as a fun toy designed to impress their friends. But some of us need features that go beyond flash. Like not having to dump my pics and video every week or two. yes, the M9 is an improved M8 and the M8 is an improved M7 and the M7 is an improved DNA. I had the DNA. Loved everything about it except storage. I wasn't going down in screen size so I skipped the M7. But the M8 felt just like an improved DNA. Better sound, camera and storage. That's right, I think the M8 camera is awesome. Most of my pics with a phone are inside and sometimes in low light. I don't have the need to zoom in on pics but I can understand someone that does, not benefiting from a low light camera. but upgrading to the M8 was a no brainer for me, if only for the SDcard.

Personally, I could never switch to a phone without an SD card slot. Been there, done that, bought the Tee shirt. Never again. IMO, Nothing presented at the WMC could ever overcome the simple need for better storage options. But each to their own. Get it don't get it, it's your money. Everyone will buy the phone that has the features most important to them. My choice is made. M9 FTW! :good:
[One (M9) General] Scramjet:
My bad for assuming diesel engines are polluting - by polluting I meant clouds of black smoke spewing out of the exhaust pipe. I suppose if petrol engines can be made to be efficient and not spew smoke, so can diesel engines. I also underestimated pickup trucks - my bad too.

In the same way, I used the analogy I know best about, planes (I'm a student pilot). Not to say jet engines are completely non-polluting, but recent ones are so quiet and fuel-efficient you can't hear them when standing just outside airport boundaries, and their emissions are quite decent, too. They even look pretty cool:

Back to the topic though, it's great that you're choosing the M9 not to show off but because it actually has features you like and use. I share your sentiments about the camera - it's decent for the photos I take, and it's excellent in low-light conditions. Sense is an added bonus.
[One (M9) General] tommason1968:
There really has been a tide of unfavorable opinions of the M9, mostly because the phone doesn't look vastly different. But does it really need an ashetic update? Not really. Does some of this sentiment come from the fact that Samsung redesigned the S6? Do some of you feel left out? I read something that was said about the design of the new phone that kind of addresses this issue. I don't recall who he is or what exactly he said, but it made sense. If porsche has a great car are they going to revamp it every year, or refine it. That makes sense. And I'll bet that by the time time the M9 is released the camera will be just fine for what it's used for, putting pictures on the Internet. All this fuss over cameras is nonsense in opinion. I have yet to see a photographer using a cell phone on a photo shoot to create pictures that are going in a magazine or to be framed and put on a wall. So everyone take a deep breath, exhale and have faith. This device is still going to kick ass.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Mobile phones are a complete different products than cars, because technology is evolving at fast speed, people want always to get newer and better phones.

What is wrong with what did HTC is not only the design but to keep the exact same screen, speakers and back painted metal (that scratches like hell).

When you are going to pay 300 to 500$ to swap your M8 with the same phone but with only 2 things that changed (camera and CPU), you feel totally robed and insulted.

When the S3 was released it was loved by many reviewers and users for its look but after S4 and S5 they finally changed the design because they noticed lot of people were getting upset of the same design, the same happened with iphone 4,4s5 and 5s, so why HTC is doing the same huge error? Instead of learning from the errors of others they could have avoided it.

Z series with Sony is not having the success they wanted also because people are upset of the same design.

I remember the golden time of Sony-Ericsson and Nokia when they used to change totally the design of their phones every year, we felt so good to get a real new phone and not the same phone but with different speed and camera only
[One (M9) General] cables2590:
The thing is that HTC claims to use a better coating to protect the back from scratches, but they did not keep the exact same design either. They subtly changed the device and enhanced it. Also the speakers, the battery, the cpu, added RAM, better camera, and changed the form of it to be less slippery. Those are all upgrades... Samsung on the other hand also kept the same form (excluding the edge on the Edge) but just changed the materials being used, using a smaller battery, and lost the external SD. I dont know but to each their own I guess.
[One (M9) General] peca_slo:
Nice job

Hey

I think that new M9 is cool, special for new sense 7, and camera I think this are the biggest changes to M8 :)... Ok I can say that I am little bit dissapoited cuz of the look, but if I look from other angle it's ok. Why to change VERY good look for a newer? Like somebody allready said why would Porshe change the legendary look of Carrera 911, they only polish the look from 20 or more years back.

I will buy it defentetly I just hope that camera will be good, very better than camera on my M7 :)

I wish I will get it soon in my country
[One (M9) General] ss4adib:
Your own comment quite significantly reduces the impact of your complaint. You said it yourself....it took Samsung 3 years to change and pretty much took Apple 4 years. Why should HTC feel compelled to drastically change their phones appearance after one generation?

Phones are normally tailored to a two year rotation as most people tend to have a contract lasting for 2 years and therefore in essence the M9 is tailored towards the users of the M7. And if you look at these two phones whilst taking the M8 out of the picture, you can see it's a significant change.

Plus all the changes internally are welcome additions that most complainers of the M7 will embrace wholeheartedly.

Yes the bezels are still there but so are the speakers. HTC even said that they were required for display drivers as the AMPs inside take up a lot space. Though I do admit they could've used the bezel for capacitive buttons it's not something that bothers me all that much.
[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
as i said before, i think people are expecting the near impossible and getting disappointed when it cant happen. The phone is the way it is because that's what it has to be to fit all the components. you cant change the design much and still have all the components fit together without changing the dimensions.

also, how much can we evolve? we can only do so much. Yes, a company can create the worlds most perfect smartphone in one shot easily, but what would that leave for next year, or the year after? marketing, design, and business. that's all it is.
[One (M9) General] Cootehill:
bit diappointed

It is still a nice Phone but only for those switching to HTC. For me as an M7 owner bit boring Design. Check out 7 Generation Golf:

http://cosmone.com/sites/default/fi...swagen_celebrates_the_30_millionth_golf_1.jpg

It should just an example (maybe not the best one) how they can careful modify without loosing brand recognition.

Hardware is up to date on half way. Missing min xps6, Fingerprint scanner would helpfully (with one eye looking to saygus), Display non glare. Okay many personally taste is hard make it equal for all. I think the Main Hardware are good enough for minimum two years keeps time to concentrate on design and complementation.

This black bar is okay for me as long as they put hardware buttons back (m7 Style) + Menue and wipe Gesture. (custom kernel option)

cheers
[One (M9) General] hack14u:
Certainly not a worthwhile upgrade from the M8. I was excited until they actually announced it. Boring. I am personally tired of the slick phones. I am one who likes to actually use them without a case, but with both my M7 and M8 it's impossible. And I set my M8 on a rough countertop, it slid a bit and the back is trashed. I hope they fixed the beer can effect with the M9. And I don't think we are going to see Dev Edition anymore either. I hope I am wrong though.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
I won't take a final decision before reading the reviews of both M9 and S6 Edge, if any hardware problem is occurring with the M9 (overheating,camera tint,screen defect...) or if the camera is well behind the S6 edge even with the final FW, then S6 edge is the winner
[One (M9) General] zorbakun:
Check this benchmark comparison S6 Edge Vs M9, bearing in mind the different screen resolution QHD Vs FHD.

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[One (M9) General] GermanGuy:
On paper the exonys beats the the snapdragon 810 easily. I have yet to see it make a difference in real life/regular use. Raw processing power is not important, just gives you bragging rights. What is important is how hardware and software play together.
[One (M9) General] kirdroid:
For me everything was perfect except no OIS. I will take a camera bulging out with OIS any day over one without OIS.
[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
At this point in mobile processing, the Samsung chip is just a power waster. There's no need for that amount of power. No apps even use that amount of power excepmarendering apps. But how often does one use those? I'd rather power efficiency more And good gaming performance.
[One (M9) General] t4duzan:
I've seen the benchmarks too and realize that the S6 might be a ton faster than the M9. That doesn't matter to me because the M9 will still be faster than my 32 bit S4. Next year the new phone will be faster than the S6...and so on. I'm more concerned about what I can do to customize it. HTC Dev should be able to unlock the bootloader and I feel fairly confident that will never be possible for another Samsung phone ever. Adding Knox only hurt that chance and now the military uses their phones so it's more of a security issue. I do like some of the colors that have come out for the S6, but bootloader overwrites that any day for me. Plus their phones are now all glass so it'll have to be covered in a case so looks won't matter either.
[One (M9) General] HRodMusic:
Samsungs chip is power efficient and it might have the best gaming performance. I would say that the S6 chip is more efficient than the 810 chip.
[One (M9) General] Jonny:
I suspect Samsung is back to their old tricks of detecting when a benchmarking app is running and adjusting the settings accordingly (boosting the temperature limit, changing governors etc) which can account for some of the performance increase, the rest is probably due to the 14nm FinFET manufacturing process for the Exynos vs 20nm for the Snapdragon 810.
[One (M9) General] joralyndi:
so far little changes for the physical design of the M9 but more on the inside has change but not impressed with its look
[One (M9) General] poondog:
Samsung devices almost always have higher clocks compared to their HTC counterparts. For example the SGS4 was 1.9GHz CPU + 450MHz GPU while the m7 was 1.7GHz CPU + 400MHz GPU

Seems that Samsung care for benchmark numbers alot, however when their devices reach those freqs they get hotter quicker in general.. interesting to see exynos vs snapdragon 810

However at the end of last year the Exynos Note 4 and Meizu MX4 Pro were regarded as excellent. Samsung do a good job with software optimization for their own chipsets too
[One (M9) General] Mezot:
People that buy a smartphone for gaming is just sad imo. :(
[One (M9) General] HRodMusic:
I buy it for performance, but I do kill time on clash of clans haha
[One (M9) General] swordfish2009:
Or clash of clan kills your time :D
[One (M9) General] Ariozo:
HTC going for the "if it's not broken, don't fix it" approach...and did like the m7/m8 design so have no problem they stay with it and did upgrade the inside more. Only thing on both m7 and m8 that I did not like was the camera, and now they have a better. To bad they did skip the ois tho..but will see later with final software how it do. :)

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[One (M9) General] HRodMusic:
=S hahah that could be the case actually lol
[One (M9) General] Super Chimp:
Interesting to see the M9 is more popular than the standard S6 in this poll from GSMArena.

http://mblog.gsmarena.com/poll-results-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-hottest-flagship-mwc-2015/
[One (M9) General] t4duzan:
I'm seeing the S6 is more popular.
[One (M9) General] Jeddix:
I don't know about your country but where I live 4381 is greater than 2535.
[One (M9) General] t4duzan:
I mispoke...the S6 Edge is beating them all. And it doesn't matter what country you're from...the bigger number always beats the smaller number.
[One (M9) General] Super Chimp:
That's why I said standard S6 was beaten by the M9 not the Edge version.:)
[One (M9) General] LBSolaris:
Geez HTC you could have definitely done a better job with the design.

I'm skeptical, more or less because I can't find any other phone other than the Samsung lineup that have the one essential feature I need, and that's extreme/ultra power saving mode, not really sure if any other manufacturer has this option on their fork, but I'd like to avoid touchwiz. I love Sense 6, and Sense 7 looks like it's pretty much the same so that's welcoming.

I'm in the market for a new phone and considering I have limited options, and I think it would also be great to have an SD Card slot for once considering I still sport a One M7 which is limited to 32GB alongside the god awful camera.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
How to understand the below?

Jason Mackenzie (@JasonMacHTC) tweeted at 8:14pm - 6 Mar 15:

[MENTION=752027]csc[/MENTION]iria stay tuned. We have some big announcements coming in the next few weeks about the US (https://twitter.com/JasonMacHTC/status/573879283023638529
[One (M9) General] Security555:
All people I know buying HTC since M7, first because of design, second because of Stereo Sound third because of sense. And the first reason I don't buy any other phone because of terrible sound experience and mono speaker+FHD or 2K is not acceptable in 2015 ! M9 has been pre-ordered in media markt Germany. I hope to be in the first branch
[One (M9) General] Silverazzo:
I come from the first desire, then one X and One M7,which is the best phone I've ever had and I love it. I didn't buy m8 cause I hated the black bar without capacitive buttons like on m7 and m9 it's the same... It's very disappointing to me!

I cracked the screen on my m7, so I'm deciding about saving money and buying a new m7 or upgrading to m8, I don't think to spend much money on m9,doesn't offer a great improvement over m8 to me
[One (M9) General] scotcruz:
Get another M7 mate.. if you had a silver one before get a black one for interest.

I'm the same, didn't get the M8 for the very reason (black bar) won't get the M9. Therefore it was a new black M7 for me
[One (M9) General] fernando sor:
No its not. The 810 beats the Samsung chip in graphics benchmarks.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/htc-one-m9-outperforms-rivals-graphics-gaming-benchmarks-1490402
[One (M9) General] Scramjet:
Fanboying here, but Samsung should go back to making washing machines, clothes dryers, refrigerators and bulldozers. And perhaps solid state drives.
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
You do realise how many more pixels the S6 is pushing right? How can you for sure determine that the Adreno GPU beats the Mali if the M9 is pushing significantly less pixels than the S6?

M8 sense 7 roms are starting to roll out little by little with Dolby surround sound, I now see absolutely no reason to get an M9. As an M8 owner, I'll get the S6 , flash sense 7 on my M8 and voila....M9 and S6 are mine!
[One (M9) General] t4duzan:
How many people on this thread root their phone? I would assume all do but am not sure. Owning an S4 the last 2 years was enough for me to never get a Samsung again. I'm able to only flash Touchwiz roms or incomplete Google Edition roms. I know with an HTC product that I'll be able to put whatever a developer is able to make for their phone, whether it be a Sense rom or a stripped down Google rom. The S6 is a very nice looking phone but that's pretty much the deal breaker for me. Plus knowing I lost the ability to change out a battery or insert my own storage option...
[One (M9) General] tommason1968:
How do they achieve surround sound with only 2 speakers
[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
Dolby has patented technology that creates virtual surround sound from a two channel system.
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
Not sure
[One (M9) General] robstunner:
Larger battery, better optics, slightly better feel, better speakers and should be faster updates especially to 5.1 which should be big.
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
Sup Rob!

Battery life on the M8 is already excellent, not to say the improvement (yet to be seen ) on the M9 isn't welcomed but it isn't a factor for me. Better optics yes, but based on some initial hands on it seems that the 20 mp camera isn't all that. Better speaker, well the Dolby surround sound is being ported to the M8. So I don't see any reason to upgrade from an M8 personallly.
[One (M9) General] robstunner:
Battery will still be better though, and the optics will be better as well, the problem with the current photos is that the camera software isn't finalized so it's unfair to judge yet. It will be good, if not on par with the z3, then better.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-One-M9-vs-One-M8--8-key-differences_id66998
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
We'll see....but for me coming from an M8, I gotta go with the S6 man.

---------- Post added at 11:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:12 AM ----------

Which phone are you currently using?
[One (M9) General] robstunner:
Im using the m8, and feverishly waiting for the m9. I could care less for the S6 as I just don't like samsung much any more. Its a personal opinion and I applaude the S6, but its not for me. It's going to get weak battery life (people are already estimating sub 4hrs SOT averages on it) and the edge 64-128gb is going to be so ridiculously overpriced I won't consider it. it lost 3 big things, SD, removable battery and water resistance. Big, worthy features. Bootloader unlock and S-OFF (im expecting at least at some point) will further the m9, while the S6 will be locked down tighter than an iPhone.
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
Well I did forget about the battery life thing. If the S6 battery life is sub par then I may go M9 as well . but I am a bit worried about the S810 overheating issues, the G flex 2 suffers from it big time.

I could care less about QHD as well, its not a deciding factor at all to me. But if the S6 can offer at least 4 1/2 hours of screen on time with like 16 hours off charge then I'm sold. If not I may just go M9. After all the M8 is my all time favorite phone and the M9 is an improvement.
[One (M9) General] fernando sor:
What difference does that make? If I'm gaming I'm not worrying about how many pixels the soc is pushing. I'm looking for performance.

And in graphics benchmarks it beats the s6 pretty handily. Not all of that can attributed to running regular HD
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
Well it makes a difference if you talk about the power behind the SoC them selves which was what you guys were talking about.

We don't know how much effect those extra pixels have on the GPU but we are talking about 460+ pixels vs 570+ pixels, that's a pretty significant difference.
[One (M9) General] fernando sor:
I've not made any claim other then the 810 has great graphics processing. The Samsung chip has great scores in other tests.

I actually think the edge is a great looking phone but let's be honest. Anyone who has had a Samsung mobile device has experienced lag. Benchmarks mean nothing if the user experience bogs down from their software. Maybe they have addressed that but I'll wait and see.
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
From everyone's hands on, it seems that they have gotten rid of the lag. Also it was the first time I hear an OEM talking about no more lag in the UI, so they did acknowledge that previous versions of touchwiz had lag and this has been fixed with the newest version. I'm optimistic especially with that exynos SoC.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Waiting for reviews of both M9 and S6 edge but for the moment I feel the Note 4 is a good upgrade over M8, its screen is bigger and prettier as well as the camera
[One (M9) General] vizzy:
I'd get the Samsung if it had sense on it. I think they look better this year, but touchwiz I'm just not a fan of.
[One (M9) General] smacsteve:
One thing to be aware of is that the Note 4 (at least on Verizon) isn't HD Voice compatible. Yes, it's an awesome phone, but I'd seriously consider the S6 over it. I wouldn't most likely get the M9 unless they release the M9 Plus that was rumored.
[One (M9) General] ThePhoneGeek:
I need to buy a new device as I am changing to TMO. I am going to hold out a month or so though and see what the LG G4 looks like. If it compares with most of the M9 specs but has wireless charging then I'll go that way most likely. If not I'll hold my nose and buy a non-carrier (preferably DevEd) M9.

MG
[One (M9) General] th3:
Waiting impatiently for some detailed reviews...

But so far, it looks certain that I won't feel any urge to take my upgrade to the M9.

The S6 has a lot going for it, over the M9, but I can't stand TouchWiz. I'm simply a Sense lover since Froyo.

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[One (M9) General] poliooo:
HTC has the better phone this year for me, no nonsense just great upgrades
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
They did last year but this year Samsung has the best looking device in my opinion. Not to mention these possibilities...
[One (M9) General] Scramjet:
Pardon me if I say those look really shabby. I like the bare metal look of the One M8 and M9.
[One (M9) General] barondebxl:
We all have different tastes so its all good!
[One (M9) General] theotrman:
The M9 is gorgeous smart device. Love all the updates to design and so excited for release in US.
[One (M9) General] poliooo:
A little bit on the heavy side but still a great phone :)
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
I will see what HTC will do with the final software for its camera (meaning the 16th March), if the camera can match the Note 4 results in daylight and the screen is really brighter than M8 then I will put my bet on the M9, using Sense 7 port on M8 is a real feast, Sense 7 is the best UI ever on all smartphones including ios.

Though! IF HTC is not capable of fixing the poor camera results we saw till now (extreme smudging and noise at 100% crop) then I will take a Note 4/Edge, as the only S6 model I would buy is the Edge 64GB which will cost a leg for months.

Camera is not the only part to seek in a smartphone, yes I know, but after 2 years of poor camera 4mp with M7 and M8, HTC loyal users have the right to finally experience a very good camera, if HTC can't do that then ciao HTC!
[One (M9) General] Super Chimp:
The danger of the M9 is that it isn't greatly different to what has gone before and some might see it as an old design especially as it no longer arguably has the premium look card to play over Samsung.