yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] sinmae:
I think it was only a question of time. There is no way how to block this. He can use new account, new name or whatever. we have similar problem on our forum, it is strictly technical forum about repairing TV, radio, video, SAT, PC... and we also have big storage with service manuals, service tips and few guys from us steal this infos from us and trying to profit on these! those information have price of gold, but is no help to stop this. So we decide for higher security, for restriction who can download files, and vice-versa etc. but here is not so easy I think, this will kill this forum. :o
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] austinsnyc:
wow he even had a picture of JJ rom on the page thats the lowest of low stealing and turning anround and making a profit off of it... His address is at the bottom of the page if anyone wants to send him a thank you card!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
I don't think I take such a gloomy view. I agree it is impossible to stop someone selling a service and it is not in the spirit of this forum to sell either advice or cooked ROMs etc. But to play "devil's advocate" for a minute, what is it we object to? Is it that these folk are making money? Is it the lack of acknowledgement to the people who have put in all the development work? Is it the danger that selling this type of thing brings unwanted attention from M$ and telecom service providers?

I personally don't object to someone selling their time to help someone who lacks knowledge though they should tell the customer that they could learn for free from this site. If someone offered me cash to help them flash a ROM I don't think I'd feel guilty if I accepted money to do it. (Though I never have!).

I feel the main reason to block this kind of activity is that we already have unwanted attention from the likes of M$ without being associated with the sale of a service that relys on what M$ consider to be illegally altered M$ material. The very act of selling the service will bring a much harder approach from M$ IMO. No longer would we we seen as a bunch of keen dedicated geeky amateurs, but people out to profit illegally from M$ original work.

I notice on a brighter note that the two cases of this I am aware of are no longer available through ebay. In one case the individual has withdrawn the service and the other was removed by ebay.

EDIT: One of them is BACK:(

As a warning to others who might follow - selling a service or ROMs in this very public way is almost certainly illegal, particularly if bundled with a whole lot of other commercial games etc. If you want to take on the M$ legal team then this is a good way to go about it - remember it's not just the developers here that are not giving permission it is M$ original work that is being made available in a "corrupted" form.

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] tallshorty:
This guy is back! But in a different flavor. I just found this today on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/CINGULAR-8525-HT...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He is WAAAAYYY overcharging on this phone. His justification? 1) the free upgrades found on this site, and 2) a CD of cracked illegal software.

And I fell sorry for this buyers who fell for his iPhone upgrade scam:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-CINGULAR-812...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-CINGULAR-812...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I can't believe people fell for that!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] bleeding_edge:
this isnt that much different from offering a service to fix phones that users have broken. IE i upgraded to windows mobile 6 and now it doesnt turn on.

yes hes selling other peoples work but really the people that pay him arnt paying him for the software they are paying him for the knowledge he has gained from reading

i would offer a repair service for noobs but theres allready people doing it.

its actually no different to taking a black rom and not donating then complaining about it
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] lokmeup:
What is to say those buyers are not M$ trying to get the individuals information and then suing him later? Just a thought...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] myztikal47:
IMO it's fine for him to sell phone with the software pre-loaded on them already, thats like anyone on here selling their phone with all the hacks already done....but to actually have a service to install the software on the phone and profit from that, and not pay the people who created the software...well thats illegal, someone should just report him to Microsoft, they'll have a field day with him lol.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] tallshorty:
I agree with you on that but look at how much higher he is selling the phone because of the free softwares. It's the same as offering the service, basically.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] guapinoy:
he must need some money to be doing this...this guy must be a crack addict...or meth...yeah probably meth addict, anyways ;)

I'm saddened to see stuff like this go on...coupled with these annoying noobs flooding the forums, m$ being ever so watchful, and the eventuality of newer devices...the great people of XDA might just get turned off from all of this...i know some are already extremely annoyed

...only time will tell
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] DeniaL:
I have a close personal friend that works for Microsoft in their Windows Mobile team and I am going to forward this thread as well as the links to the ebay auctions over to him.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] shogunmark:
I will point out a couple of things wrong with this Mike... 1. He is using JJ's roms and i highly doubt JJ is getting any kind of kickback. 2. His ebay username nateshuntsvegas is the same as on here. That alone could very well attract some negative attention as if M$ havent given us a hard time the way it is.

the rest of it i agree with :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
I don't disagree with your comment, but as JJ's work is freely available for folk to download it's impossible to stop anyone selling services to install it. But yes the negative attention of M$ (linked as it is to here) is certainly not what we want. If we are seen by M$ to be set against any moves to sell this kind of material or a service to install it I'm sure this will improve their view of us.

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] esseff:
Gotta laugh....

So the guys here are being hard done by? Maybe Microsoft feels the same way by what the guys here are doing to them!

Or to put it another way - the guys here are angry that he is redistributing thier stuff without permission but they are redistributing Microsoft's stuff without permission.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrvanx:
Fact is you can freely obtain the ROM upgrades without charge from the operators anyway, and we on here are not making a profit from cooking / distributing the ROMs.

In stark contrast the guy on ebay IS making a profit from the Hard work of people on this forum and also from the work of M$.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ClassicalDonkey:
I think the point that alot of poeple are saying is, that M$ has already come down on us, for hosting the roms, cus of copyright!!! This guy selling it, is going one more step by making money for the software that M$ has made.

I have donated to faria for the work he has done, not for the software. He does not ask people for money, but he finds and fixes problems in the roms that M% dont sort, I think M$ should be paying him for this service.!!! (He is just one of mean people on here)

But till that happens, NO one should be selling a service or roms on ebay, as 99% of the tools are free on the site here cus there were made by people on the site here!!!!!

Him doing that just makes M$ look at US again!!! Where will he be when the site goes down, man he would not be able to sell his "Service", cus there will not be the knows how on here!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ach2:
Yeah, just what we need - someone highlighting to M$ that XDA is still around and chefs are still cooking... Idiot:mad:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ClassicalDonkey:
Just pulled this from wikipedia copyright

Do i need to say more!!!

Yes in a away we are still doing things with copyright, but the work here is to impove the work started by M$ and not to sell it for a sum of money!

M$ said to not host Rom, but did not say we had to stop making roms! Just think if there had made a rom that work first time we would not be here!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] myztikal47:
Yea but no one here is making money off of their work. If people here were selling their cooked ROM's then they would be royally screwed by M$'s lawyers. What this guy is doing by selling these ROM's is the same thing as making copies of WinXP cd's and selling them which is of course also highly illegal.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ronfin44:
It all boils down to Money. End of story. If the guy was helping others who couldn't figure out how to upgrade on thier own, for free, no one would say a word. However, if he charges for "his" time to do WHAT EVERYONE ON HERE DOES FOR FREE, you mark him for death? Hypocrites. How many of you here haven't sent a donation, but take whatever ROM is here for free? The only reason people are crying is that for thier own selfish reasons like mentioned above, they don't want M$hit to shut this site down, so it's all about personal selfishness. zomg, don't draw attention to an illegal thing! I love the title of this thread. "I think someone is 'stealing' your programs". Wonder what M$hit would say about the hypocrisy in that statement. M$ said don't use thier stuff, but we'll just ignore that and focus on a guy who found a way to make money off this instead. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] DeniaL:
Your the idiot. We do not MAKE MONEY OFF THE ROMS. This guy is! Fact remains that not only should his auctions be pulled but he should be sued...or at least sent a threatening letter to cease and desist. My friend is very aware of this forum and he knows its a great community and wouldn't want to harm it in any way.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] myztikal47:
I think you have this all wrong, no one here is stealing M$'s software, they are just modifying what they already rightfully own which would be the software on their phone. I would say to look at these modified ROM's as like 3rd party apps which are free, yet these people are taking these 3rd party apps which they had no hand in creating and selling them for money.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ach2:
I never said anyone here was making money from cooking ROMS, nor was I condemning or condoning them if they did... I said YOU are an IDIOT for bringing this site to M$ attention over and above their current scrutiny... I still think you are an idiot for this.

If anyone wants to argue the case that this forum is perfectly legal - how about the advice given to people who brick their phones and then get advice here how to get them back to a position where the supplier pays? How about the fact that NONE of us have paid for WM6 for our Hermes?

I'm sure a good legal mind could find numerous reasons to close this site and I therefore advocate keeping this site as low profile as it is possible (not easy). Therefore your actions probably don't make you an idiot, but one of Olipro's infamous ****WITS
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] DeniaL:
lol, if Microsoft wanted this site closed...trust me it would be closed. My friend is a regular viewer of this forum, specifically the Wizard and Hermes WM6 forums. You think no one at MS knows about this forum...please.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ach2:
OK, enough flaming - kiss n make up n all that bollocks:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ronfin44:
He's not selling the ROMS or apps on a disc. :rolleyes: Christ, read what he's doing. He's taking people's phones, and charging them for the TIME it takes him to do what they could do for free. Time is money. There is nothing wrong with what that guys doing. People do it everyday. People are upset for selfish reasons here. Either it's because they're affraid he'll bring attention to this site and M$ might shut it down, or that they weren't bright enough to figure out how to take FREE info and turn it into money. I make wallpapers for people here in my free time, with pictures I find on the net. Those pics are free for others to obtain, but my time that I decide to use to make them is totally up to me to decide if I charge or notcharge for doing it. If I took someone else's work. copied it, and turned around and sold it as my own I would agree that it was totally wrong. If I take someones work that's freely offered for anyone to obtain, but charge people not bright enough to figure out how to upgrade, there's NOTHING wrong with that cause all they're paying for is MY time. :rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ClassicalDonkey:
Ya but the main thing is he is using tools that are made by people off here and make money from it!!! If he made the tools that he used, we would not have a thing to say!! If the people that made the tools wanted to give out for free, there should be used freely!!! Not to mkae money!

If he does all that work without using one of the tools off here well there you go, but the bottom line is is is using tools that are free! Maybe you will look at it in a different way, if the people that made the tools said to him that he does not have the say to use the tools.

If he is going to give a service he should use his own tools and way of making a rom, and not use the 'Free to everyone' tools that have taken weeks or months to make! It is just respect!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] AmesCell:
The tools are free. It's the authors choice to make them free. If a guy wants to use them to sell his time as a service that makes total sense. A lot of free software gets used this way. This forum is probably running on a Linux box with a MySQL db. Free linux and free MySQL. I don't think anyone is yelling at the hosting companies for selling a service that uses free software. If I want to charge someone to setup a website running on these free tools no one is going to get upset at me. Same deal here. The guy isn't selling software; he is selling a service.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ronfin44:
Respect? What are you talking about. This has nothing to DO with respect. This is a business issue which is done EVERY DAY in the real world, but some of you are either ignorant to that, or too young to understand that. If you give me or sell me a lawn-mower and I charge a service to cut someone's grass, it's no different than if you give me a program (ROM), or charge me for it, and I charge a SERVICE to show you how or do it for you! Even if the ROM chefs charged a dollar to download, and someone paid a dollar for it, but didn't know HOW TO INSTALL it, the service for SHOWING THEM OR DOING IT FOR THEM is what the guy was doing. If you yourself couldn't figure out how to install this to your phone, and wanted it SO bad that you paid me to do it for you, what did you pay for? My time to do what you could've done for free but chose to pay to have it done instead. Respect? Man, you have no idea what you're talking about. He's not selling work made by others as his own. He's charging to install the free stuff that people arevtoo dumb to do on thier own and quite frankly that's genius. Welcome to the world of business. If people are gonna cry ov er a pefectly legal and morally right way to make a buck, buy a pillow and bury your head in it. The guy wasn't doing ANYTHING wrong. JJ or any other ROM chef can offer the same "service". Doesn't matter if they "cooked" the ROM or not. The time it takes to install it is the issue. God people are so stupid.:rolleyes:

You pay for a service. Last example for the dumbies. Say JJ had a download site. Charged $100 for a ROM. Now person A doesn't know how to install it, so he contacts person B, person B pays the $100 for the download, but charges a SERVICE FEE of $100 to Person A to load it for them. JJ gets the $100 he's charging, and the guy TAKING HIS TIME TO DO THIS gets the $100 for the SERVICE fee. Since the ROM's are FREE, the guys charging a SERVICE fee and people wanna get upset? Wow. Stupid. Either charge for the ROMS and or don't. The business of charging for service is what makes the economy run. The point of if the ROM is free or not isn't even in question. People keep missing what he's charging for.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] vp3G:
Unlike this guy, for example...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ronfin44:
Now that's a perfect example of what SHOULDN'T happen. That persons taking free apps and profiting by selling them. He's not offering any type of service. He's not using his time to do anything but redistribute someone else's work. That's not a SERVICE.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
This debate could go on and on. The bottom line is whether it's good bad or ugly it's not good news for us. Mainly this is because as some have said it draws unwanted attention from M$ because of it's commercial nature and because those being sold this stuff (service or otherwise) are not being told the truth about it.

Let's face it M$ know what goes on here and have turned an unofficial blind eye until recently. They know that no harm is meant and that on the whole their market is if anything stimulated by the enduring interest we have in Windows Mobile and it's promotion - good news for M$. But when innocent buyers who know nothing of the manner in which these ROMs are made (because they may never come to this kind of Forum), find something goes wrong or some feature doesn't work, they will go straight to the phone seller or telecom provider or contact M$ for help. Whereas if you get these things here you come back here for help. This of course is when powerful people begin to ask who sold you this and where did it come from. Not difficult questions for these people to answer. The chances of dissatisfied customers going straight to M$ and telecom providers is much higher than previously. At least (in the main) folks here are not stupid enough to go whining to M$ when things aren't perfect after flashing.(but even then there was a growing problem).

Yes our interests here are selfish and I'm not ashamed to say I would like to see this stopped because it endangers us, if it didn't I would be displeased but as someone said that's business There may be moral issues one way or the other but I can live with being in a grey area there.

Mike

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ronfin44:
Mike, that post says it best. Boils down to our own interests, regardless of the morality and legality of what he did. Personally, I think that was genius what he did. To make that much money on what we all do for free? Wow. American Dream. However, if as a result of these actions this site were to be taken down, I would have a different opinion on the matter based soley on my own selfish reasons, and that's pretty much what a lot of people have already shown in previous posts. -fin;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] myztikal47:
Yes, actually, you are correct, the guy is not selling the actual ROM's, he is just charing for his time to install the ROMs. But then again, doesn't all M$ software have to be licensed? So it's still illegal as the software does not come with any type of license from M$. Like I said, fine, its ok for him to charge for his time, but again, what he is really doing is like having people send him their computer, and him installing WindowsXP on their computer, and he does this for all his customers using the same CD key. In that way, what he's doing is obviously illegal.....I highly doubt he sells the license or his customers already have licenses for WM6....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ronfin44:
You keep making my point for me. Re-read what you just said. "Doesn't he need a license". Don't we all? Whats the difference from you downloading a ROM and installing it w/o a license from M$, or him doing it for someone else? He's charging for his time and the service to do what you do to your phone. So unless you have this magical license you were using to base your argument with, you just helped me make my point a little stronger. He charged for the service to do what we all do. :rolleyes:

lol@licnese. That was a weak, and not very well thought-out rebuttal. :p
[LG Optimus 3D] juristokrat:
I flashed wkpark 1.25a and twrp. I rooted it(p920). I want to return v30a (non-root). What can I do? must I flash stock bootloader and stock recovery. Can I flash kdz file directly?

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[LG Optimus 3D] juristokrat:
This forum is dead. I asked two questions.not replied.

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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seromba:
Hello everyone,

I am having a major problem with my Nexus 5’s microphone (LG-D820). Before I continue, I have searched for threads with the same issue but none appears to be the same, despite being similar. I keep finding that others mention that other people can hear them as if they're distant from the phone. Others mention a fix by plugging in headphones and toggling speakerphone as a fix. None of these are true for my device. I found a bug report thread on Google’s bug list for AOSP (https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80251) but it has a small priority with no resolution to the issue.

Onto the issue: The microphone does not work at all unless I make a phone call and activate the speakerphone. Even sound recording apps or Google’s voice recognition search does not work. I have noticed that there is a 2 second static when trying to record audio using sound recorder, which is amplified by covering the mic on the top of the phone.

Since the mic appears to work on speakerphone, I figured it couldn't be a hardware problem. I tried restoring back to Google’s original build (4.4 KRT16M) for the nexus 5 to see if it was an issue with 5.0.1 and I had no luck. I literally tried every single build released by Google (KOT49H, KTU84M, KTU84P, LRX210, and LRX22C) and I have had no luck. I even went as far as installing Sailfish OS and Firefox OS to see if a non-android OS would fix the issue. No luck.

Desperate for a fix, I purchased the Charging USB Port Dock Connector Mic Flex Cable (for reference: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111297706019) to replace my old one and it didn’t fix anything of course.

At this point, I’m all out of options and afraid that I’ll have to buy another phone. I seriously do not want to stray from the nexus 5 but I don’t know what else to do.

Does anyone have idea what else I could try to fix the issue? Even any thoughts on why a non-android OS wouldn't fix the issue are welcome. Thanks in advance guys.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seromba:
bump :(
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seromba:
Last shameless bump
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerosum0:
You did a factory reset right?