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[ONE General] the Doctor:
That's not what he said. He said this:

He's well aware of the 90 day commitment they made to getting Lollipop out the door.
[ONE General] jmtjr278:
Sorry about that. Must have misread that bit.

Sent from my A0001
[ONE General] lokesh.3440:
Idk but you are always right.
[ONE General] strange1712:
Some perspective

Well, let me add something regarding "official updates". I owned a Galaxy S3 (i9300), and it came with Android 4.0 or something like that. It got more or less steady and flawless updates until 4.2. Then, something terrible happened. The 4.3 release took months to be released... Everybody was winning and ranting on the terrible Samsung support. Once the update was released, it was apocalypse. The phone was not responsive, crashes and reboots were frequent, it heated a lot and spent battery like an incandescent bulb. If was such a bad ROM, they had to take out the update from their servers and apologize for the crappy software. About two months more later, when 4.4 was already reaching some other devices, they managed to release a less crappy version. Still, it was never as good as the 4.2. Then, once again, something terrible happened: they announced the S3 won't be getting the 4.4 because they were unable to put their bloated Touchwiz of 4.4 on the S3. And that was it. The end of the official support and updates. The i9300 kept being a good device and developed continued thanks to the community, Cyanogenmod, aosp, etc, but not thanks to Samsung. If anything, at least it had an unlocked bootloader which allowed to have custom recovery and kernels and unsigned ROMs and all of that.

I currently own a Verizon, bootloader-locked S5. I live in Mexico and the only thing I cared was the unlocked-network feature, I didn't know a network company would be so control maniac as to bootloader-lock a phone. Lollipop arrived, one of the first variants of S5, but it has been just as the 4.3 update for the S3. Heating, crashes and extreme battery consumption. And, even if it's (by a painful method) still root-able, no Xposed, no kernels, no V4A and that sort of things make the phone a dead end for customization.

So the morale of the story I want to transmit is, don't think Oneplus is the worst in terms of support and upgrades. Neither, do OS upgrades always mean something "better" at all.
[ONE General] tiny4579:
Oppo is responsible for the camera stack in this case, not OnePlus. There are a few things I don't like about OnePlus as a company, so don't think I'm biased towards defending OnePlus.

The source of my claim that oppo is in charge of the camera drivers and needs to fix them is from ciwrl. I don't have a twitter or Google+ link to defend my claim so you don't have to believe me.
[ONE General] :
Its a major fail by cm not having a lollypop ROM out on their official flagship.

They had access to propriatory stuff and source code and got beat by LG, Samsung and Motorola. And I left those brands because they were slow with updating.

So yeah I like the others am pretty dissapointed and rightfully so.

All that blahblah about quality first, that's bs, CM hired a professional test team with automated testing and the such. They should have beaten the others.

I blame Android also, the way its so much blended in with hardware layer makes updating rapid across all vendor device spectrum impossible.

The one team upon which all other ROMs depend, CM, got beat by the slow vendors lol
[ONE General] served24:
It'd be worth it though if they come up with an updated and stable build of lollipop. For now, i'm just running CM12 stock and it goes well for me. But I'm on the same boat with you. They need to hurry up.
[ONE General] doctoralex:
Who said that there isn't any Lollipop ROM? Who said that are beaten? From the moment that we have in hand (unofficial, nightly call it with any name) the delay is good for us, as they will have a good, polish ROM, free (as much as possible) from annoyed bugs.

Except Motorola which use Vanilla and even she hasn't update all model and Nexus, the other brand are also behind in their schedule.

So why rushing? Better wait for Android 5.1.
[ONE General] jgcaap:
I agree with bachera here... They promised stuff and not attending to it.
[ONE General] JeffDC:
Exactly.
[ONE General] Fidel Castro:
Can someone explain me why is everyone crying for lollipop? What's so special about it?

On my Nexus 7 (2013) didn't do any wonders. If anything, it removed some features I was used to. (stock gallery app, swiping from left for notifications and right for settings etc.)

And for the ones that can't live without lollipop, just flash a ROM with it and stop crying.
[ONE General] volcaicstrad37:
Most people are antsy for it because it should be out and it is the latest. Mostly that is it.
[ONE General] podspi:
Anybody sick of seeing 'whining' about slow updates should stay out of threads dedicated to such 'whining'.

Fact is, nobody here is acting entitled.

Entitled:

believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

Key word here is inherently. When people whine about the lack of updates of a community ROM, they are acting entitled, when in fact if they want faster updates they should pitch in and help. We aren't talking about a community ROM, we are talking about the official update for a device people paid for, with the promises of timely updates in hand at time of purchase.

When you pay for something, expecting to get it is NOT entitlement. There is literally no cohesive argument you can make that it is, and nobody in this thread has put one forth.

That being said, probably the reason the update isn't out is because it doesn't meet current quality standards set by OP/CM. As usual, both of these inept companies have, instead of communicating with their customers and coming clean, maintained radio silence. That is bad customer service, and while it isn't illegal, I can't say I'm chomping on the bit to give either of these companies my money again.

So again, for those saying everybody complaining is acting entitled, you are wrong. You are wrong in the sense that the argument is inconsistent with the definition of the word. And for everybody tired of hearing people complaining, stay out of threads like these. And finally, to everybody complaining, keep it in the dedicated threads instead of derailing other conversations, this way everybody is happy :cool: or at least as happy as they can be. :eek:

Edit:

And for the record, I am running 4.4.4 on my Nexus. L has been a terrible release so far and I am sitting it out for 5.1 Hopefully that won't be so late for this phone!
[ONE General] served24:
Preach
[ONE General] :
Sounds like more whining to me.
[ONE General] assassin0408:
Stop complaining, be patient, enjoy flashing ton of awesome roms and be a good end user. Peace all! ?
[ONE General] Renosh:
There's no real harm in complaining it's just not really useful. No one from CM or OP will monitor this thread so you're just creating a cycle of frustrations venting in such threads and patting each other on the back when somebody like [MENTION=4161917]podspi[/MENTION] makes such a good post. I'm not really happy it's taken so long either but it's such a small priority in my life and I've got no choice but to wait. I flash nightlies daily to bide the time so it ain't so bad
[ONE General] IamJAX:
Cyanogen releases nightly which are used by thousands of users. These are essentially testers and bugs are detected faster than official roms of Samsung/LG etc. Yet with limited testing, LG released a stable ROM by Nov end for G3. Even Samsung released the rom in similar way with heavily customized touchwiz. Yet that have the certification, drivers etc causes no delay

Yet, the cyanogen with 1000s of testers isn't able to bring a stable ROM even 3 months after LG released after getting certification. Are cyanogenmod developers such a bad coders when compared to coders that LG have?
[ONE General] hapticc:
Cyanogenmod team works on ROM for 50+ devices at once and LG devs are focused on just a single device at once. Cyanogen features are way better than most features inbuilt in device stock firmware.

Regarding coding Cyanogen team doesn't have unrestricted access to source code of different hardware so they need to fix error by trial and error method sometimes while the other companies almost get ready made source code. All they need to do sometimes is port proprietary features.
[ONE General] IamJAX:
I didn't know that the team working on the 3 or 4 year old LG Optimius One is the same team working on the Galaxy S5, LG G3, OnePlus One and hundreds of other devices. If that is the case then delay is understandable.

Cyanogen Inc just has 3 Phone - OPPO N1, OnePlus One, Yu Yureka( and the just announced Hero 2+). Cyanogen team has unrestriced access to source of these devices as it is the official ROM for the devices. All they need to do is port the proprietary features to the readymade source code from Google & cyanogenmod community edition that is tested by thousands of users. Even the OnePlus, OPPO or Yu team will give full support since it is the official ROM. Certification process just takes as much time as it takes for other flagships.
[ONE General] :
no they are better, thats why expectations arent met
[ONE General] MohamedAbdelKhalik:
I was hoping for a stable OS. I'm honestly not enjoying experimental nightlies
[ONE General] Dvoraak:
Am I missing something here? Is there actually gonna be a 12s? Based on what's in the news I really thought CM and OPO had parted ways entirely, hence the need for Oxygen OS. I know some blogger's have reached the same conclusion, though I've yet to see anything official one way or the other. I just ordered my 2nd OPO (my daughter has my 1st and she won't give it up for love or money) but I didn't order it expecting any support at all from CM.
[ONE General] bombadier:
2 Years support from CM Inc for the bacon so nothing has changed there but moving forward OP will have to do things in house, CM12S has been passed over to fail certification with the latest estimates of it's appearance end of March, seems like they cannot be bothered anymore so expect a sloppy release
[ONE General] fmc000:
source?
[ONE General] bombadier:
5 words in a tweet which seems to count as official statement

https://twitter.com/getpeid/status/569796898657169409
[ONE General] garrmack:
Pardon my ignorance, but are you saying the camera bug is not present in 11s?
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
No that isn't the case. OxygenOS is needed for the Indian market where OnePlus can't ship units with CM pre-installed. CM are still providing updates for the rest of the world.
[ONE General] bombadier:
Yes it is two years software support for the rest of the world, forgot to mention the India thing,once that obligation is over nobody knows about cm inc's future involvement with op.

tapatyping fae the bacon
[ONE General] Dvoraak:
Thanks for the clarification. Fortunately I wasn't counting on anything from CM when I ordered the new one so a sloppy 12s won't bother me. I've been indoctrinated by the best there is in the art of disappointment...... Samsung. And if nothing else, there's always root and ROM.
[ONE General] BoboBrazil:
I bet Oxygen OS is better than CM 12S and has better camera software. I tried out some of the nightlies of CM12 and I'm in no hurry to use Lollipop. I'm not a fan of that os at all. They've changed so many things for the worse.
[ONE General] Nalin12:
Oxygen os will lot better, that's very clear after using the buggy cm11s. I am not saying that other roms are bug free but cm can't provide a quality rom. I am saying this after using color os and it does everything better than what cm does except battery life.

Now all my hopes lies in oxygen os. Just hope that they release it on time.
[ONE General] served24:
There's a problem with this statement^. To be honest, I hope you're prepared to wait. The new Oxygen OS won't be out for a couple of weeks. If you really want a bug free experience then don't get into Oxygen OS until its been cleaned up...which will take even more time. For now, I don't know what kinds of bugs you were talking about in CM12, i've been using the latest nightlies for about a month now and see a lot of bugs being fixed. Its my daily driver now, along with the AK kernel, and i barely notice any bugs aside from some of the notable audio bugs.
[ONE General] Pete131313:
CM is, was and will always be a terrible ROM, people need to wake up. Oxygen OS is the best thing that could happen for OnePlus.

---------- Post added at 12:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:47 PM ----------

How long did it take to CM to finally deliver a "beta" ROM for the OPO (44S) ? 6 months ? I bet OP will deliver a better ROM in less time.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
People don't need to wake up. That's your opinion, you're entitled to it, but so are the others who love CM. I don't particularly like CM by the way, that's why I run Vanir-Exodus. But everyone likes different ROMs for different reasons.
[ONE General] topfreitas:
I think you guys are hopping a lot with the new Oxygen OS when we don't have anything more than some screenshots. I bet that OxygenOS will be a tuned version of Paranoid and nothing special. I personally don't have much hope over OxygenOs or even CM12, the best user experience I ever had with my OnePlus was with ColorOs, good camera, fast and beautiful design (too much iOS but acceptable). I doubt that within 3 months they can build up a new ROM miui/colorOs like.

Lollipop is just great, if they can bring it to us with same ColorOs camera experience and a silent mode, I'll be happy, otherwise I'll wait for a ColorOs/Miui lollipop based.

At this point I'm not sure if I can trust in a company that promised keep your phone updated. The best thing on my Oneplus is the hardware for sure.
[ONE General] Quasar:
Look fellas. Whatever CM may have done as a company, may be pathetic, but don't mistake that for the community built CyanogenMod. CyanogenOS is different. Remember, that without CM, the custom ROM scene wouldn't be what it is. AFAIK, almost all ROMs rely on CM for at least some amount of code, and almost entirely for device trees. You have CM to thank for all the EuphoriaOSes and Temasek builds etc. You're biting the hand that feeds you by giving CM hate.
[ONE General] fraser.dk:
Too bad Oxygen and CM12S are delayed but it'll be worth the wait. 05Q 11S has been foolproof. I hope CM12S is similar to CM11S and using new LP camera API.
[ONE General] Dvoraak:
Personally, I'm not at all trying to hate on CM or Cyanogen.... but I'm not counting on them to live up to their word either. I loved OnePlus and I loved what they and Cyanogen tried to give us. Then I watched Cyanogen kick OnePlus in the teeth, updates slow to nothing, Lollipop delayed well beyond what other flagship models are delivering and now there's good reason to doubt that Cyanogen cares about anything more than their bottom line. They're a big, capital raising, money making enterprise now. I figure if they have a public perception problem, they brought it on themselves and they can fix it themselves. As for the CM community based ROM, this has nothing to do with them as far as I can tell. Thanks to all for their hard work and keeping our Androids ahead of the curve.
[ONE General] smartdroid:
Question: what will the updates bring to you that makes it so painful to wait a little longer? Especially to those that would rather have OTA?
[ONE General] bombadier:
I love this thread
[ONE General] Dvoraak:
There's no pain here. I just ordered my 2nd OPO knowing there's an update (Lollipop) problem. Should be here tomorrow and I can't wait! The only pain might be that OPO led us to believe we'd be among the first with 5.0. It now looks like we'll be among the last. Hardcore Android fans (such as frequent XDA) are nothing if not needy and demanding.

Apparently I was mistaken on my last post though. My daughter just informed me she had an update last week so I guess updates haven't completely dried up.
[ONE General] bozzykid:
Exactly how is Oxygen OS delayed? They have never even set a timetable for the release of the OS.
[ONE General] smartdroid:
He meant CM12S (in other words Android 5.0 Lolipop) is delayed. OnePlus promised an update to 5.0 within 90 days of its release.

Oxygen came about after legal troubles with CM but is associated with CM12S since we will get Oxygen instead of it.
[ONE General] bombadier:
Easy to misunderstand that a release date was never issued thanks to OP over hyping everything, remember the announcement to announce oxygenOS in February loads of people thought that after the announcement was tabled for Feb12 it was going to drop and were disappointed,
[MENTION=4271202]smartdroid[/MENTION]

CM12S and OxygenOS will be coming sometime this year, CM Inc still has a commitment for two years support on the bacon, however in light of the India debacle, not sure how much interest in doing more than the bare minimum there is to fulfil that obligation
[ONE General] Pete131313:
I had many phones/tablets/android miniPC in the past years and everytime it had a CM based rom it had a lot of bugs and troubles.

And If it wasnt for CM well, there would be something else and it couldnt be worse IMO. some people here are giving them too much credit.
[ONE General] Dvoraak:
I wish there were more details about what Oxygen actually will offer. I've found very little info. Almost none.
[ONE General] Quasar:
If there would be something else, and a lot of people thought CM was buggy, why didn't anyone else do something different? It's much harder than you probably think it is to make a source that's based off CAF AOSP to support so many devices including non Qcomm devices. Plus, most of their support is through community volunteers. So it isn't exactly CMs fault that the ROMs for some devices are buggy. The maintainers are to blame.
[ONE General] :
Well this is the smoothest cm has ever been on any device I had.

Cm does a great job. They are first almost always which is its a letdown they aren't on their own device haha
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Updates slow to nothing? Really? We were receiving updates on a pretty much monthly basis, try getting that with any other OEM.
[ONE General] Quasar:
Heh, other OEMs provide OTAs on a half yearly basis almost.
[ONE General] Dvoraak:
Yeah I addressed my mistake in a later post. It was based on some misinformation since my daughter has had my OPO for the last few months. 2nd hand info strikes again! My new OPO should be here tomorrow and I'll be getting back up to speed quickly.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Ahh, apologies, I didn't read all of the posts after that one.
[ONE General] jcasares:
One Plus One ROM (CM12S) is buggy, they are the maintainers. We blame them! ;)

They said that because of not having control of the hardware vendors were to blame for bugs. Now they have control and bugs are still present.

They said that they will deliver in less than 90 days a version of the new OS for this phone. Again, they said something they weren't able to comply.

I don't care much for 5.0 but I care for the lies they continuously say. They are not the nice people some say they are.

Theirs is now a business. And if it's better for them to do what they did to One Plus with the Indian gate, they will. If they think that giving us two years of updates is not worth it, they won't update.

I already lost faith in them and I believe their ROMs are far from stable. Nice features but Google is catching up with each new version and I can live without the rest of them. My next phone won't have CM (using it since 2012).
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
That's a nice thought but as [MENTION=5585603]Quasar[/MENTION] pointed out pretty much every custom ROM relies on some kind of CM code at some point during its development.

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[ONE General] jcasares:
If you read my post you will understand that a custom ROM is not something I'm considering right now.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
Ok, but it doesn't actually say that anywhere in your post.

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[ONE General] RUNNERX:
Exactly what device does not have bugs? None that I have used have been bug free.
[ONE General] jcasares:
Maybe I didn't say it in exact words but that phrase should sum it up.

And I have to agree, no phone on earth has no bugs. But when basic functions don't work well like radio, touch, bluetooth, and you use them all day you better find another phone.

Touch in the case of the OPO went from unusable to acceptable, but took them 6 months to fix it.
[ONE General] Quasar:
About all these massive "bugs" that everyone is talking about, I've flashed CM on over 10 devices, and I've never spotted any real deal breaker. All of them work fine. Maybe I'm just lucky, but my entire family is currently running CM on their devices, and everyone's happy with it. I'm not exactly the fanboy I sound like, but that's the go to ROM for any device since it has such large support. Of course, if someone owns a device with AOSP, or a custom built CAF AOSP they're lucky. Otherwise, either way, you'd have to face custom ROMs with CM bugs, and I don't really think anyone with a Samsung/LG/HTC etc device would stick to the stock ROM. :p
[ONE General] Hash code:
wish it lives up to the hype.... and cm12s goes good...
[ONE General] Quasar:
https://plus.google.com/109781780227026386444/posts/Szco5BUHcLM

This should clear a lot of the misinformation that people are basing their rants on.
[ONE General] the Doctor:
There's a great little proverb in English:

Some people just aren't interested in facts (or acknowledging their own lack of them) when forming and spouting opinions.
[ONE General] bombadier:
Na just confirmed pretty much what I knew already

tapatyping fae the bacon
[ONE General] :
I agree but this doesn't address cm inc being late with an official rom.

Come to think of it cm was also late with their open source one as well. Not that much later, but not the 2 weeks max I was used to
[ONE General] Quasar:
Agreed. They shouldn't break their commitments, but HTC was 25 days off their 90 day promise too AFAIK.
[ONE General] Heisenberg:
They made an error, they misjudged how long it was going to take to release a stable build of a version of Android that is pretty darn different from the previous version. In the grand scheme of things it really isn't that bad, I don't think it really makes them deserved of all the roasting and whining that's being directed at them.

The nightly builds are an entirely different story too, you being used to them being released within two weeks doesn't mean they should be, or that they were late. It's impossible for them to be late. A timeframe has never been given for nightlies (or other open source builds).

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[ONE General] Giocarro:
[MENTION=857214]timma[/MENTION]a, I don't get why you keep defending CM while telling you are not favoring them nor against them.

I mean: this thread is a peaceful way to give people a free ride on the whine side, feel better and go back to their life.

Why after a couple of weeks you still bother shading the light of rationality upon us?

Let it go, man, nobody will get hurt anyway.

I had my little discussion with you some days ago and have let it go: no problems, peace of mind and enjoy these forums.
[ONE General] smartdroid:
The timeframe is built in the name "nightly" = each night and "weekly" = each week. Lol.
[ONE General] bombadier:
And this from a RC!
[ONE General] smartdroid:
I don't understand. RC?
[ONE General] Quasar:
Not necessary. VanirAOSPcalls their builds nightlies, but they're not released everyday. Most ROM teams don't follow that. Nightlies have become more synonymous with "experimental builds".
[ONE General] bombadier:
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[ONE General] smartdroid:
Yes I understand and accept that. I was just being silly [emoji3]

People are so angry these days. I bought an opo and I love it. If the oxygen and cm12s take a little longer so be it. If they said 90 days and it takes a year then there is a problem to be pissed about. Everyone chill. Developers thanks for all your hard work.