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[One (M9) General] trwnh:
Here are some full-resolution 20MP early-morning shots, with:

1) HTC camera at full auto,

2) HTC camera at RAW (unprocessed),

3) FreeDCam, wavelet-denoise off,

4) FreeDCam, wavelet-denoise on,

5) Snap Camera, denoise off,

6) Snap Camera, denoise on.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6c8mcyyyxff2002/AAAI6OVR_u2WCpMAMGbSu6cca?dl=0

I'll post some full-crop samples once I have a chance to take a closer look, but right now it's 10:40am and I'm getting sleepy. (yes, A.M.)
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
Make me recalled ASUS released phones with MasterPixel technology when HTC released M7's UP. ASUS was smart about it as it can choose high resolution mode and MP mode...
[One (M9) General] fmedrano1977:
I'm still on 1.32, should I upgrade to 1.40 it 2.7 fit the best camera improvement?
[One (M9) General] Ramsey:
Thanks a lot! Finally some samples lol. And thank you for full resolution!

By the way, the Raw file seems very processed. I have seen Raw files that weren't, and they look great, not sure why yours is the same as auto mode.

I love the samples with Denoise off, just like on my Galaxy S5, and in my opinion, that solves the issue with the M9's camera, in my opinion :).

Thanks again.

If you have some shots taken in lower light with denoise off, I'd be happy to see those.
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
I second that, snapcam and freedcam looks a lot better on 100% zoom, is there a way to get this denoise effect with the default camera app? and which third party app is the best out there for the M9, freedcam?
[One (M9) General] Ramsey:
I tried FreeDcam on my S5 and I didn't like it too much. It needs work. Sharpness setting didn't save after exiting the app. I much prefer Snap Camera.
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
does this not work ?

persist.camera.qcwnr.enabled=0
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
Sadly I'm on an unrooted device, so I can't tell if it works or not, what file do I need to modify?

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I guess I'll check both :D, what about camera fv-5 or a better camera?
[One (M9) General] Ramsey:
Those aren't as good because they lack some processing power if that makes sense. According to a review I read recently, camera fv-5 isn't capable of going below 1/30 shutter speed but snap camera is able to when you select for example: Samsung camera mode in Photo settings. It would probably be HTC camera mode with HTC phones.

Also fv-5 and better camera don't have denoise off.
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
Thanks for the detailed reply, I'll check it out for sure! :D sorry but I didn't hear about that one until this post hehe :p, this one right? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.marginz.snap
[One (M9) General] Ramsey:
You're welcome! Yes, that's the one.
[One (M9) General] c5satellite2:
High MP sensors in such a small package are actually smaller than the wave size of the photons resulting in crosstalk(noise) between sensor sites. Any way you slice it there is a loss of information. Less light on each sensor site and crosstalk between sites.

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[One (M9) General] hamdir:
you are correct, [MENTION=6522617]trwnh[/MENTION] posted the JPG preview of the RAW image, he didnt post the DNG or a porcessed one

a reminder to everyone the RAW image you see in the gallery is not the RAW file, its just a preview which receives the same processing as in Auto, you need to access the DNG via file explorer with apps like Photoshop express
[One (M9) General] Csetoue:
So, after the recent updates, do you think M9 competes with G4 or S6 on still photography?
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
Edited raw with manual settings.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B66gjtABFIhHSW90a1VmcWx1NGc/edit?usp=docslist_api
[One (M9) General] trwnh:
ASUS PixelMaster's low light mode does indeed use pixel binning. The sensor on the Zenfone 2 is the Toshiba T4K37, the smaller 13MP brother of the 20MP T4KA7 in the One M9.

Pixel binning on the M9 should be much better than the Zenfone 2, since the T4K37 is a smaller and weaker sensor. Its 2x2 bin should produce ~3MP photos as opposed to the M9's 5MP theoretical. Also, the T4KA7 supports 1/8 vertical pixel binning while the T4K37 does not.

Furthermore, I suspect ASUS is simply adding all 4 pixels together to make the image "400% brighter" (really 4x, or 300% more), rather than adding two pairs to get brightness and then averaging the resulting pair to get noise reduction. Probably for the wow factor, even though the Zenfone 2 produces very noisy shots in low light mode (albeit acceptable, and better than near-black everything). Hopefully HTC implements it better...

I took those samples just for this thread :) I can do low-light tonight, it is 6am right now and the sun is coming up, so I missed my window. And the reason the "raw" file seems processed is because it's RAW 2 JPG, sorry I didn't elaborate in my post, but it's in the filename. I can upload the DNG if you want to manually take a look at it.

I see. Thank you for the clarification. Still, pixel binning should help with readout noise, which should be reduced 75% since you are reading once instead of 4 times.

I did indeed, it was the JPG preview. I selected all my pictures in Quickpic and uploaded straight to Dropbox. Sorry for any confusion :)

One other thing to note: is loading a RAW file from HTC Gallery possible? It seems so from my limited testing (loading a "RAW photo" and then an actual JPG, and trying to adjust highlights/shadows/exposure/etc), as there is less degradation in PSX when tapping on the "RAW photos" section of HTC Gallery. If not, then that seems like a useless section of the gallery, if it just loads the JPG anyway...

I suppose I have some re-editing to do, hopefully I can apply 2 months of learning to the new results ;)
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
HDR mode photos

A proper HDR mode which sets the benchmark for others..

The one one drive is an edited raw photo using all auto settings in a very low light. Phone performs better than expected in low light situations.

link
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Are you using FW 2.7 or 1.32?

Because the blue sky you got (noisy and fade) is typical of these FW
[One (M9) General] fmedrano1977:
So you recommend 1.40 for best results?

HTC One (M9)
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
1.40 is miles better than both 1.32 and 2.7

For 2.8 I need some time to try it, but 1.40 is like having an S6 (even better) for daylight photos
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
I'm running 2.8, all you need is to get out of your comfort zone and use manual and other modes like raw. Works wonders. I just tried the HDR to see how good it is. Now, I prefer doing my own adjustment. I don't truly depend on the camera app.
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
Is there a bug with 2.8 firmware causing sharpness to be too hard with flash on? these were taken in almost completely dark room, on auto mode with flash on and sharpness -1, however take a look at the little golden statuette below the two angels just as an example

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qg5ex9g1jl1la6/IMAG0765 auto wb sharpness -1.jpg?dl=0

I also noticed changing white balance from auto to fluorescent gives a better color reproduction for my personal taste, getting rid of the yellow tone added by flash, however some shots I took didn't fire flash at all even when I marked it as always fire, ending in a deep black screen lol, is that also a bug?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nexvxg3sok6ctc/IMAG0766 fluorescent wb -1 sharpness.jpg?dl=0

As a reference, this is how it looks like. Took it with fluorescent WB but I had to wait to get a little more sunlight, either way it would shoot without flash at all as described above.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0frsgovkb7achdy/IMAG0767.jpg?dl=0

Is there any solution to fix this in a stock, unrooted device? I've found this also happens when you're taking photos of people relying on flash as your main light source, and the result is horrible sometimes. Am I being too demanding, do you think this would reproduce equally poor on any other top tier camera phone like the S6, G4 or Z3+?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=2282431]twr[/MENTION]nh yes the JPG in gallery is completely useless, it just informs you that a DNG is in there but you can't do anything about it from within the gallery, a bit counterintuitive really

[MENTION=6482548]DeadPotato[/MENTION] why don't you just reduce sharpness
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
Actually I did, from 0 to -0.5 and then -1 and -1.5, there were no noticeable difference, I admit I forgot to take it with -2 (disabled) will try again later with -2 and raw
[One (M9) General] Sashtheflash:
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[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
A point a click shot. I'm a little more happy with these ,after last update.
[One (M9) General] FreeWolF80:
Hello, I have a quick question: after the last update, photos and videos taken by that M9, is better than the Galaxy S5? (yes, the "old" S5 NOT S6).

Thanks in advance!
[One (M9) General] fps_pete:
Stock At&t phone. Not bad at all.
[One (M9) General] Ramsey:
When I said lower light I meant not super dark but lower as in inside a house at night, with artificial light hehe. I still prefer with denoise off but I do agree that it needs some noise reduction, the same happens with my S5.

Raw is still the best =D.
[One (M9) General] trwnh:
Ohhhh. Indoors doesn't qualify as low light to me, because I take a lot of night shots. Absolutely loved my M7 for that, it was so effortless compared to the M9. Thankfully, RAW helps a lot, since I can tweak exposure, fix the color temperature, and recover some of the shadows. I'll see about that today.
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
Yup, raw and long shutter works best for low light than any other mode.
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
I got a couple questions:

What firmware version are you using?

The HTC flash auto exif shows the sharpness as soft, considering the default is shown as hard, what was the sharpness value you got on that one?

I didn't find any value about flash on the processed RAW, but looks obviously off compared to the auto flash photo. Did you take a RAW with flash to check the sharpness between both?
[One (M9) General] Ajxx16:
Took this a few nights ago, it was about 0430 when the sun was just barely coming up.
[One (M9) General] trwnh:
I was aiming for flash off, but Snap Camera went for flash in auto mode, so for auto pictures, there should be flash auto + denoise off, flash auto + denoise on (and flash off + denoise off, flash off + denoise on for Snap Camera). For the HTC Camera, there should be flash auto and flash off. RAW was taken without flash, and with manual settings. I processed the RAW to reflect what my eyes saw. HTC's auto mode got a mostly accurate picture, though a bit darker than reality. I'm still on 1.40 for all of these pictures. HTC Camera is set at Sharpness -1.

I could take a RAW with flash, but I didn't for this scene because I didn't want the background to be too dark, and I'm pretty biased against flash. I prefer natural light and capturing images as they are (so I can better manipulate them later).
[One (M9) General] matthewstice:
I know s6 still takes much better picks even after m9,update because I own both.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Sure thing the M9 denoise processing is still no where near Sony's and then you have the HW advantage like OIS

The M9 will never beat the s6 but its still a damn capable sensor that HTC fails to use properly

Finally should I say front camera? That thing is mouth watering, groupies are a treasure from the M9
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
Nothing beats RAW and manual mode. Even in every single DSLR cameras. I'm impressed by low light capabilities with long shutter and steady hands in RAW mode. The sensor picks up some sharp details. PSX is a must for sure. See the wasp picture I added. This is a cropped picture!
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
I also find that RAW and manual with long shutter in low light looks better that auto even without denoise or editing at all.
[One (M9) General] robstunner:
5.1, stock, raw, google photos edit:
[One (M9) General] racingmatt1:
Can you post the same pic in raw and auto without editing,so I can compare? I have the m7 and I can't get no where near this great of a photo. Can you also post your image adjustment settings,etc...?
[One (M9) General] davidtm0:
From my US Sprint M9, stock 5.1, 2.6.651.11 firmware. 3 are RAW, one is a jpg from one.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t85ht4rs0khr9wp/AAB41C3QNcTplpUUyblKsTH0a?dl=0

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[One (M9) General] robstunner:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/1039811...6170618705759079570&oid=103981168037338892826

theres my google+ post. Should show you both versions by clicking the edited button. M7 vs M9 is going to be hard to get similar results.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
RAW with exposure correction +2.0

exposure correction +2 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

processed with Photoshop Express

Clarity: 60

Sharpen: 35

Reduce Noise: 30

Defog: 50

Exposure: -35

Highlights: -100

Shadows: +100

Vibrance: 40

PSX_20150712_191456 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[One (M9) General] racingmatt1:
Sorry, but I don't see the "edited" button your speaking of maybe it's because I'm trying to view on my phone.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
RAW with exposure correction +1.0

RAW with exposure correction +1.0 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

processed with Photoshop Express

Clarity: 60

Sharpen: 35

Reduce Noise: 30

Defog: 50

Exposure: -45

Highlights: -100

Shadows: +100

Vibrance: 30

PSX_20150713_123241 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[One (M9) General] FreeWolF80:
Excuse me, I don't understand a think.

I read "processed by photoshop express ", that mean the photo was modified with photoshop or is the original taken by the phone without any edit on the pc?
[One (M9) General] xchrisj:
These settings are superb. I have used across a few different images that needed correction on the exposure (tweaked the exposure setting on each) and the results are fantastic for RAW. Thank you for these.:D
[One (M9) General] jaskarandhanju:
exposure

what is the maximum exposure time after android 5.1 update ?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=6804616]jaskarandhanju[/MENTION]

2 seconds
[One (M9) General] jaskarandhanju:
[MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION]

but i have seen multiple screenshots of camera app where it is more than 2 sec some shows 30 sec
[One (M9) General] jollywhitefoot:
What are you guys using for tripods?
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
that's a mod for the camera, the max built in is 2 seconds.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/291427744308?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
[One (M9) General] barabico:
I havený posted in a while

Denkmal am Zirkusgasse by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] jaskarandhanju:
is the mod for rooted devices or also for non rooted devices? if is also for non rooted devices can you tell us how to do that?
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
only rooted unfortunately
[One (M9) General] dantegl36:
Running latest HTC dev update with camera in macro mode. Post processing was performed in PSX with a vivid enhancement.
[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
Where can I find this mod,or what's it called, so I can look it up ?
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Go to page 163 post # 1621 you will find a zip file made by [MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] download and flash it and you are good to go ! Don't forget to thank [MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION] for modding :D and starbase64 for making it flashable zip
[One (M9) General] RSK01:
Night mode

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

HDR

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Manual:

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 Shots by Yik Lim, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] reaktor TuT:
M9 in HDR mode. Extremely disappointing, especially the poo colour of the sky. I'm on 2.8.617 developers release. Can anyone suggest why HDR mode is so very wrong?
[One (M9) General] hamud.q:
m9 is the worst phone I have ever used in HDR color production . I hope they fix this with next software update .?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
are you kidding me? this is clearly a zoomed crop
[One (M9) General] th3:
Nokia Lumia 930 –*6032 votes

Samsung Galaxy Note 4 –*5936*votes

iPhone 6 Plus 4344*– votes*

Google Nexus 6 3965*– votes

Samsung Galaxy S5 – 3282*votes

HTC One M9 – 1247 votes

Lol

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[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
And your point is?
[One (M9) General] th3:
The votes make my point very obvious. There's really no need to say anything more.

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[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
The only point that the votes support is that if your sole purpose in buying a phone is to have your photo selected as the best in a line up then your selection is clear.
[One (M9) General] D15:
It's selected as the worst, and all the devices it went up against are older devices.
[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
This is not that difficult to understand. Rank the top 5 cars by initial problems on JD Power. The 5th of 5 is the worst. The 5th car is a pretty damn decent car.

The point is these phones are compromises. The 5th best photos picked in the article in my opinion are still pretty decent photos. And taken on the whole, rounds out a pretty decent device. This is getting way overblown.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Did you notice that a few pics was way out of focus? I imagine that was the HTC ones. I don't argue the results but the process of getting there.

It's very possible that you even now can get much better pics out the camera using auto to create a new template, but I'm an auto guy normally :) The dullness, at least, you easily can fix, but that's up to HTC I think.

I'm getting pretty tired of the whole story now, booth the on chip and optimization of the cam looks like a mess but I think the manufacturer will update what they can and HTC even so. I wait a couple of firmwares before deciding because I really like the rest of the phone.

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[One (M9) General] rizevnarastek:
The phonearena poll just shows they are all great performers. I actually had trouble picking the best photo.

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[One (M9) General] rkial:
Really? I thought one stood out as being the worst. The other 3 were comparable

B,C,A,B in the tests. Wouldnt be surprised if all 4 were from the same phone..

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Looking at the blind test with the M9 and Nexus 6, I really dont think there is that much in it.

Samsung might be a level above, but the Nexus 6 takes pretty decent pics in real life from what I've seen.

If the M9 is on that level, it should be perfectly fine for the majority of people. There are better camera phones out there.. sure.. but the M9 isnt a disaster like some reports would have you believe.
[One (M9) General] gavinfabl:
This is a photos thread. We need photos! The weather for another day is gales and heavy rain here, so ruined my planned day of shooting again. Using manual settings I have captured some good shots (but private photos of family). Lowering resolution down a fraction helps in lower light. Auto is OK but when I take control even with a single tweak the difference is noticeable. I've used the S6 and S6 Edge and compared it with my Note 4. The S6 has a good auto mode.

This is my S6 and S6 Edge camera shots , and vs Note 4 camera. http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/03/19...sung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-plus-camera-shots/

I will have more in depth analysis when it's stops raining .....
[One (M9) General] th3:
Looking forward to it [emoji106]

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I wouldn't expect anything different said by you, judging from the HTC Megathread...

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If that's their autofocus/lens, then its pretty poor, I noticed. But if it's user error, then there's major room for improvement.

I'll see tomorrow myself (getting mine) [emoji3]

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The weather is really s**t I know! I'm working outside in it :(

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[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
I will add Dartmoor in my Weather app to see when you will have sun :D

Saw your tweet yesterday about M9 taking better photos than N4, but then saying S6 is still better, so S6 is better than N4 even in daylight?
[One (M9) General] BoneXDA:
All righty, 4 shots I've just taken. HDR works quite strongly, which is a benefit in scene one but too much in scene two. A bit overexposed IMO, resulting in lower contrast than I'd prefer. What do you think?
[One (M9) General] Reyde Viscerous:
I imagine HDR is really only worthwhile when there's a particularly strong light source blowing the rest of your frame up. That's some ghastly post-processing though, I certainly hope HTC takes another look at it.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
Did you try to play with the iso settings? Or were you using auto?

I think its a good camera, but HTC just can't get the software right. Shame

I hope they fix this with an update
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Until now all the photos in daylight are blurry and smudgy once opened at 100%, a software optimization can slightly correct that,don't expect N4 or S6 quality though
[One (M9) General] flex360:
I'll rather a response from the person I directed the question to...

Thanks though
[One (M9) General] BoneXDA:
I wouldn't worry too much about level of details, first, these are 20 million pixel shots, plenty of detail for larger prints or 4K TV playback. HTC could always do what Sony auto mode does, which is downscaling to 8 MP, adding sharpness and some contrast, and results would be comparable to fine 8 mp shooters in terms of natural details, but why manipulate results and add sharpening artifacts? Sure there are more detailed results by other phones, but this is a good step forward for HTC, who should rather spend time tweaking white balance and auto-focus IMO.

Shot one and shot two. The latter might seem the better photo, but it's the same One M9 shot, the former untouched, the latter downsampled and sharpened by me, and I don't think this is necessary or resulted in a better image.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
I'll say that there is a problem with a test where 2 out of 5 pics from one specific phone is really out of focus.

The logic if you really want to have an equal test is to at least don't pic blurred pictures you know a blind could pic apart from the others :)

The M9 can't compete with the current settings even on a good day because the pics are dull but I'm pretty sure that out of focus isn't in the features. Hopefully the cam is good enough at least when they have tweaked it right.

I was down playing with the S6 x 2 today and for ones Samsung has speeded up the cam and gallery, a lot. I wasnt directly sold on the design, but it's way better than ever before.

If I go for it I will buy by Internet so I get my 14 days to try it out, because the Note 4 is the biggest disappointment of the year for me. It's so bloody slow where it shouldn't compared to my other phones. I can't even play the hobbit on it without it starting to throttle after a while costing me time when I need really quick action. It has a really good, but sometimes slow, camera though.

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[One (M9) General] LeeDroid:
Spotted this and had to snap it...

First was normal with standard auto settings and 2nd is brokeh mode
[One (M9) General] Ramsey:
My thoughts exactly lol
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
Nah camera is still crap, Idk why hamdir defends it

Lol
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
Buy an iPhone
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
It was a joke.....

Guess u didn't get it.....
[One (M9) General] muayyadf1:
Just for doubters ?