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[One (M9) General] hamdir:
your photos are actually pretty sweet! clearly you are relying on auto focus like it should be done
[One (M9) General] racingmatt1:
Where are his tips located as I don't recall seeing them? Also would they work on the HTC one m7?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
here you go:
[One (M9) General] racingmatt1:
Will the m7 benefit from the tips like the m9?
[One (M9) General] PhyscoAssassinx:
I'm sure there using different sensors, you can try but that doesn't necessarily mean you will see any improvements, it might even make the pictures look bad
[One (M9) General] racingmatt1:
Also what about ev value?
[One (M9) General] PhyscoAssassinx:
Same thing, you can try but it might not work due to the being two different sensors diffrent pixels (mega vs ultra) & 5up vs 21mp
[One (M9) General] Duncan1982:
A couple more for the camera debate :P
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-ga...n-versus-htc-one-m9-iphone-6/?ftag=YHRbd38a98
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Indoor, mixed light, no fancy angles just plain clicks on auto.

The M9 has medium, Max 200 ISO and +0,5 the usual suspects.

Indoor the competition wasn't fair but sometimes I liked the M9 anyway but outdoor it gave very true colors and the quality for me was good. The one thing i didn't like was that the focus went pretty slow in low light, it looked like this had with the ISO to do, on OEM settings it was quicker, lighter and much more muschy :)

M9

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[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Yay! everything in one place = easier to show others :)

How close did this photo resemble what you saw ?

reason i ask is it appears like its low light but actually there is a good amount of light with ISO 200 at 1/100
[One (M9) General] mattlovell90:
Got this one last night using HDR.

Had mixed results so far. In good lighting I've found it to be really sharp - but then you'd expect that from 20MP. Have been able to improve low light by capping the ISO and reducing the sharpening but not had anything stellar yet. Definitely find any movement in low light creates blur - I'm guessing this is down to the auto mode of the camera slowing the shutter to capture more light? :confused:
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Nice mate!

Can you post the full size photos?
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
I guess now u know lol

Low light for me isn't to light up the whole scene

Low light for me is to expose only part of the pic ??
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Yes I'm trying different Camera Profiles or Color Calibration for the raw file since we don't have an actual profile for the m9 as I had stated in an earlier post we just need someone who has an m9 and a color checker chart then we can generate a camera profile for the m9.

Currently Freedcam Only Has Color Matrix for IMX 135 / 214 Sony sensors.

Devices using other sensors such as M8 M9 Gionee Elite E7

Shoot With A Neutral Matrix so a DNG untouched has a greenish cast.

I have tried two camera Profiles one which I Extracted from The One Plus one

and One From The Nokia Lumia 1520.

They both rid of the greenish cast.

The one plus profile produces Warmer tones

The Lumia profile produces cooler colors.

This test are done using the auto mode in Adobe Camera Raw I'm sure one could always edit the raws better than the auto mode so these raw files could indeed look even better.

And because they are raw you can reprocess as much and in many different ways as one wants .

HTC One M9 DNG Samples unprocessed

https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0...kOVRGeDRJYmFKRlN3RXhWS3pWWldOSWZjR2EtSTg/edit

Modified 1520 dcp camera profiles

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5NJTB9bLPdscHJYcFNZVmFwdGc/edit?usp=docslist_api

from one plus

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5NJTB9bLPdsZzl3dWJtdnppSXc/edit?usp=docslist_api

Where to copy the profiles

C:\Users\{you}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\{m

replace {you} with your user name ie Mine is George.

Then in LR Or AcR GOTO calibration tab it should have an icon of camera

click on embedded choose on profiles below embedded see which one you like .

Correcting The less greeinsh profile after applying the profile click on white balance sample click on neutral areas such as a the dark part of a tree they greyish part of the asphalt that's all.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Absolutely, here we go.

Some M9 vs Note 4 pictures. Those are 100% just point and click.

Indoor but with good natural light from the windows.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0y5INMRaGx_QXlKWWtlT2cycVk&usp=sharing

About the phone and camera.

I really like (and have always liked) HTCs camera app.

The problem this year is that I'm missing the quick camera, in good light the camera is alright but in low light it struggle if you're using a cap on ISO. Using standard settings speeds it up a bit, but it can't compete with with other phones.

The quality in daylight is really good, I really can't complain, often I do like the M9 over the note.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Sharpness and iso, yes
[One (M9) General] hudsoncouto:
It's very good when the subject is the brightest spot, like that lamp. It produces a high-contrast, dramatic picture, with no exposure problems. The issue is when the main subject is not the brightest object in the frame, and in order to nicely expose the subject, you have to overexpose the brighter object. A camera with high native dynamic range (not HDR mode) can prevent that, but on HTC cameras dynamic range always seems to be the problem

Say if you actually wanted to take a picture of the books and the table, and not of the lamp. The lamp would be blown-out, and the overall picture too noisy because of high ISO
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
And here comes the raw mode when u can either restore shadows or revert over exposed areas

Let's hope it's not long till we get it :D

BTW our camera shutter is able to go up as high as 1/40894 just thought of sharing this :D
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Note 4 pulled these off with ISO 50 with longer shutter ~1/40 compared to the m9 which opted for ISO 100 and a faster shutter 1/100

if there was movement in those scenes the m9 would freeze it better.

Also the metering on the note's is default set to multi or average whereas its default center-weighted in the m9 like the galaxy s.

In outdoors scenes without too much difference in lighting average will get a more even exposed shot. Emphasis on not too much difference otherwise you will get a haze which will get worse at night. Centre weighted is more flexible
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
On this Note it looks like it's center to.
[One (M9) General] Joplisan:
This thread already convinced me to look forward to taking pictures with my M9 (which hopefully arrives early next month), and I thank you very much for that (it was the same story with the M8, and I'm very happy with it's camera, thanks to you guys), but reviews like this (http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-ga...n-versus-htc-one-m9-iphone-6/?ftag=YHRbd38a98) only show that, while not being the best, obviously M9's camera is very good, if reviewer wants it to be. I have a feeling that most of reviewers dive in with the idea of camera being totally bad, and they somehow don't want to put any effort into it. Luckily, there's this awesome community and a few reviewers, who tried to squeeze the most from it and it shows. Can't wait to try it myself! :good:
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
M9 dark HDR experiment

This is a photo i took in a completely dark room with only the aquarium as the light source

the best way to take this shot was by HDR plus zooming and locking focus into the neon inside the aquarium before zooming out and taking the shot (a little tricky, you need to lock before the zoom bar fades away)

this is one of the examples where an iPhone balances things better, anything using auto focus wether auto or HDR blows out the aquarium, meanwhile focusing into the aquarium would reveal its detail and darken the whole scene, auto focus HDR is really bright though and should definitely be a tool to use in darkness, sadly HDR low light is too slow even slower than the One X...

i dont upload failed photos to my Flickr so you can download other attempts/modes for this shot from this package (check HDR-AutoFocus to see how bright it is, the auto ones will show you how dark the scene was)

there is no denying though, low light is more tricky on the M9 but i fully expected that coming from the Ultrapixel, the main challenge is motion blur/EIS trigger, HTC is wrong here, this camera would have been much greater with OIS

thankfully we can always take a good shot when we put the effort, as the viewfinder remains fast and you have controls, a scene like this one would have been a completely useless attempt on the G3
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] you could also do a 2 years old trick which is in auto mode tap to focus on brightest area and thanks to htc's metering system it will darken the whole seen, if it didn't cap the ISO or even use lower exposure compensation once u are satisfied AE/AF lock then change to hdr and click !

Here's an example, first one is normal hdr mode , second one is the trick above

I think u remember this in HTC one m7 days ! It wasn't the same on m8 but it's back again on m9
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
nice! i didn't try this since i went for the M8 method (zoom into bright and lock, zoom out)

next time i will try the M7 method :) that's [MENTION=4914682]Shan89[/MENTION] famous trick :)
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
Some photos I took yesterday (all auto or HDR, no tweaks in the settings):
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
one more test in the darkness

this looked best in HDR, sadly in such darkness it was too slow, so it has some motion blur hidden thanks to downsampling

i was able to achieve much sharper results and no motion blur using manual mode! check my other attmepts in this package (check 2-Manual-200-0.5sec+Levels) but i like this one best as it looks a lot more bright
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
on few of the photos where exifs were present for note 4 i noticed it was set to multi.

here is a good demonstration of centre weighted vs average for outdoors. From the cnet

shootout

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m9

s6

m9 blew highlights here but notice the similarity between s6 and m9 for overall colour with centre weighted.

Now see the iP6 which uses average or multi for this scene.

see the difference. Have seen similar with xperias on average metering for this kind of scene as well. little more haze apparent but its not too bad.

Average, is a niche metering setting, it can make a difference in certain scenes.

Have yet to see anybody play with average metering on the m9, every shot i've seen so far here uses centre weighted.
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Fast shot on the goooo

https://flic.kr/p/rKksdf
[One (M9) General] Stephen:
Thread Cleaned

This is not a discussion thread. This is a thread for posting photos. Please take all discussions to this thread:	HTC One M9 Camera discussion (not for photo samples)

Stephen
[One (M9) General] DjLukeW:
All on auto, the sunrise one just tapped to focus on the sun and darken the rest of the scene
[One (M9) General] petermulders:
Made another nice shot last monday. Don't see why people are so negative. You just need to know how to handle a camera and not just shoot on auto.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
there is no option to change the metering
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Try Freedcam you can change Metering see if it makes a difference.

if it does I can mod Stock M9 Camera to use a different Metering mode.

Someone Take Screenshots of stock Cam UI and send me a deodexed apk of the camera as well as this file camera.msm8994. so found in /system/lib/hw/

I will try mod it to shoot raw.

screenshots are to see if I can add picture format switch in the menu
[One (M9) General] gavinfabl:
Time to showoff the M9 camera -

HTC One M9 Camera shots - a selection of photos from the M9. by gavinfabl100, on Flickr

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Anybody for a run -

HTC One M9 Camera shots - a selection of photos from the M9. by gavinfabl100, on Flickr

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This is Dartmoor Prison. It's offering free one way tickets to anyone who tells fibs about the M9 camera :)

HTC One M9 Camera shots - a selection of photos from the M9. by gavinfabl100, on Flickr

Green is a great colour when snapped on the M9!

HTC One M9 Camera shots - a selection of photos from the M9. by gavinfabl100, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] ijuanp03:
Hi M9 users, can someone tell me how wide the front ultrapixel camera is on the M9? I am both an HTC One M7 and M8 owner and I really find the wide angle front camera of both phones very useful for group pics. I can't find any review comparing the actual field of view of M9 vs M8/M7. I'll be a bit pissed in case this is a step back from the already excellent 5MP cam of the M8.

Thanks.

PS. If someone can also provide information on the FOV of M9 vs M8.

Thank you .
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
HTC One M9 / SGS6 / iPhone 6 - 1:1 comparison

Just to compare things fairly at 1:1 and low ISO, i took these from the CNET comparison and selected two images with ISO100 or below (to bypass the M9 ISO cap problem)

the M9 default is 16MP so it equals the S6 image on top, but then I used the cheapest bilinear filter, to resize the S6 and M9 photos to match the iPhone 6 below

you can download the originals from here: http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-ga...n-versus-htc-one-m9-iphone-6/?ftag=YHRbd38a98

open images in new tab and view at full 1:1

Conclusions

This proves that Samsung or actually Sony, has the superior precision correcting algorithm, its the exact one as the Find 7 IMX214 and Z3, that is smudged base + black detail extract on top which creates this detail emboss effect against HTC's simple smudge then resharpen method

it also proves that its no where near as bad as some are claiming as long as you an get that smudging under control, like ISO cap and counter motion blur, plus the given knowledge of centered metering ie: use auto focus

finally the comparision with the iPhone's 1:1 IQ is simply silly, the M9 at it's 16:9 small mode 8MP or 10:7 small mode 10MP will destroy the iPhone (in terms of IQ) the iPhone despite having a larger pixel is still using smudging to hide its noise at 1:1, any denser sensor will win this battle when resized, low light is another discussion
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
I haven't changed it, but it could be auto somehow? Is it possible to change metering om the M9?

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It thats make a difference I think hell of a loads of people would love that :)

Is there something like autometering, should be great :)
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Spanish review

http://www.xataka.com/analisis/htc-one-m9-analisis

Day

Low Light

Macro

All in 3.7MP

can't help thinking these would have been better with an ISO cap and sharpness reduction....
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
true true some of these are EPIC:

and this macro
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
auto-exposure-values

frame-average,

center-weighted,

spot-metering,

center-weighted,

spot-metering-adv,

center-weighted-adv

there's a hidden mode called smart-metering

M9 Default

auto-exposure=center-weighted

the only auto Metering is for auto focus priority on m9 its set to auto.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
Im running the dev edition rom that I created on my Tmobile M9

That has the latest camera fixes, and I can see the difference in the photos so far when comparing them to the tmobile software version
[One (M9) General] amarryat:
The M9's teal colored sky is also a problem. Especially obvious on the small 1:1 crops of the bridge stanchions.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Is there any way of getting the hidden settings without root?
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
He's been at it for a while

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kotecinho/sets/

never saw a reviewer attempt blue hour before. The idea is the sky and the lights balance out.
[One (M9) General] bsims85:
Hopefully this makes a decent improvement.... Either way, Im picking up my m9 tomorrow:fingers-crossed:

I know this is for US releases, but I assume there will be a release for international devices

http://phandroid.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-camera-update/
[One (M9) General] fernando sor:
They have updated with before and after pictures. Looks promising.

http://phandroid.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-camera-update-comparison/
[One (M9) General] Kotecinho:
Thanks for sharing my photos!

Hi Hamdir!

I only had the phone a week to review it, and every day was raining, it was very difficult to take photos or videos

Now I do not have, but I would have liked to test updates. I think there is much room for improvement in software, but the camera is remarkable
[One (M9) General] m4jkee:
Someone with THAT new update, go out and shoot something please please please please!!! I cant wait till monday I get mine M9! OOOhhhh days last so loooong now :( :D
[One (M9) General] Tuborg68:
Phandroid comparing M9 shots before and after update

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[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Anyone for lunch ?
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
All your note 4 shots have multi or average metering set.

eg. from your google

drive

note_4.jpg and m9_4.jpg

The note 4 uses average or multi metering and because there was strong light on the furniture closer to the camera it slightly underexposed the painting which was the intended subject. average tries to equalise light all over the scene.

the m9 uses centre-weighted so it ignored that strong light and exposed for the painting. Since the light was strong it ended up being blown out.

So both metering modes were tricked in this scene. if you could avoid the strong light, exposure will be better with either metering mode.

If you try that same scene again with your note 4 with centre weighted set and you should see similar to the m9.

Surprised to learn that metering modes aren't available on the m9, it allows every other parameter to be set.
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
many of these photos it looks like exposure got it wrong. Maybe something to do with using auto focus or not.

The one with the yellow newspaper kiosk has the same exposure yet it looks like the lens was dirty.
[One (M9) General] JulienD33:
Computerworld did a hands-on comparison with the new Update :)

Old

New

Old

New

Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2908091/htc-one-m9-camera-software-update.html
[One (M9) General] petvas:
One question for Hamdir:

The proposed settings you posted, are they for the U.S. version or the International? I have the international version and while I agree with most of your settings, I find that saturation should stay at 0, otherwise colors do appear saturated. Of course pictures look very nice with saturation at +0,5 but are not realistic.

My M9 has version 1.32.401.15

Here is an example of what I am talking about:

http://flic.kr/p/rLn2Dy

http://flic.kr/p/r6Xjeu

The first one uses 0 saturation and the second one uses 0,5
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
sigh...there is no point in his before pictures...they are all ruined by a dirty lens, and he never noticed
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
This.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
this confirms it for me, the camera update is the one which was pushed late to the reviewers, which simply added aggressive resharpening to the smudgy results

there is no news here! the US devices are simply receiving that update which we had before for international units...

also computerworld is still being ignorant with that metering, they are not using auto focus, they all go iPhone style touch focus...my photos from Byblos where all taken in scorching sun with just auto focus, 450 photos, not one of them was over exposed except few failed HDRs
[One (M9) General] amarryat:
Which was my first thought. What a waste.
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
All exifs stripped from their photos, nothing to see.

Then there is this gem...

You have got to be shi__ng me. Every situation is a different scene, you take a test shot, make adjustments if necessary and THEN you get consistency. In a low light scene forget getting it right first time. course they will say well phone x and phone y does it but you cant tweak anything on them if they don't. This point is never mentioned. OIS is a new thing on devices, that is OIS that can actually deliver, how did people manage before ?

The guy is basically struggling to get a clear shot because the shutter slowed. It's such a monumental problem because its so easy on others...

The worst thing is if it does not get it right in the first time, what a crime, you are not supposed to try again or something different, basically its camera fail.

Such ridiculous expectations are created that even a pro would struggle to pull off. how many can get the shot in one take. only if they know the lighting and scene well.
[One (M9) General] poko2121:
Hi i was wondering if there is any way to achieve ae lock without holding down on the screen. I want the camera to do auto ae/af but I want it to lock. when I hold down on the screen it meters off the area I'm touching. Thanks!
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
yes they are locked together you cant decouple them, the only solution is manual mode
[One (M9) General] poko2121:
right i know they couple together but I wanted to lock them together in auto mode rather than tapping to focus and lock. Is that possible?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Awesome but please Cap your ISO, even if at 800
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Yup iam just trying out the settings

U can go to my flicker and check its exif and full resolution

https://flic.kr/s/aHsk9WeaxU
[One (M9) General] zaaye:
http://bgr.com/2015/04/10/htc-one-m9-software-update-camera/
[One (M9) General] fernando sor:
hamdir where did you post your recommended camera settings? just picked the phone up and I'm not much of a camera guy.
[One (M9) General] petvas:
Hamdir, could you also verify that your recommended settings apply to the International version running 1.32.401.15?

And please can you comment on the saturation value and question I posted yesterday? I believe saturation (at least for the international version) should be 0 and not +0,5. Colors appear more realistic when saturation is at 0. I had also posted two comparison pictures. Of course the saturated picture looks much nicer, but is not realistic. (in the comparison).

For those asking about Hamdir's settings here they are:

Contrast: +0,5

Saturation: +0,5

Sharpness: -1,5 or -2

Max ISO: 200 or in low light situations where ISO 200 isn't enough, try ISO 400

Autofocus must be on. DO not manually click on an area inside the viewfinder.

Size: 10:7 Medium (you can also use large size)
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Its in OP
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Hi,

here is my comparison, click on a pic to view in full resolution (click on the pic in the new tab also).

Pic 1: HTC standard settings

Pic 2: Contrast: +0,5 / Saturation: +0,5 / Sharpness: -1,5 / ISO50

Pic 3: Camera FV5 - PNG

Pic 4: Sony QX100 (20 MP)

regards

starbase64
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
Ohmy the hill in pic 2 looks too brown, where did all the green go??
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Hi,

here is a M9 Raw.

original converted to dng (38,5MB): http://ul.to/z75ge90n

this is dng converted to jpg

dng converted to JPG and denoise - OFF (~15MB)

dng converted to PNG and denoise - OFF (~30MB)

regards

starbase64
[One (M9) General] petvas:
I think the 0,5 saturation is wrong. The standard saturation is better in my eyes.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
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[One (M9) General] Quadrider10:
Dident a recent software update like yesterday perfect the camera?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i agree but its a matte of taste as well, especially on HTC's non over saturated screen, ideally we need something like +0-.25