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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] UTOPIA214:
I don't think it is a big disapointement , making the internal storage higher than a 100gb ,makes the use of an SD slot practically useless , as for backup ,the use of OTG is always possible. and now that we live in an era where online storage is as used as any storage device , backup of any insensitive data is better online than locally , as for sensitive data it shoudn't be on a phone with a permission based OS anyway. so , no sd slot? no removable battery? for an average user it's not a big deal , for developpers or curious users, phone manifacturers don't really like users to tamper with their software (at least before they make enough sales which generally coincides with the time where the bootunlock "discovery")... so cheer up friends , if samsung is following apple's footsteps she might as well release a cheaper s6 with leather or plastic back and sd slot with removable batter :D.

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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Rayan:
I still fail to see your point...

And speaking of enterprise security, that's exactly the sole reason for Samsung's Knox existence!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
Re: security

I've always felt that the "removable storage / attack vector" argument was awfully obscure, but recognize that it is "a thing", and hence can't just dismiss it.

However, is just scrapping the feature (that an unknown % of Samsung customers value highly) the only or best solution? Do they truly see no value in devising a legitimately "innovative" solution that would meet the needs of both their loyal customers who value those features as well as the corporate sales that they

desperately

seek?

It took me less than a minute to come up with such a solution. This idea strikes solving the "security" issue no less thoroughly than ditching the removable storage, perfectly satisfactory for "power users", completely technically feasible, and dare I say, perhaps even "innovative"... if anyone sees a problem in this solution that hasn't occurred to me, I'd really appreciate you pointing it out.

*Move the female micro sd port under the back cover. "Lock" the back to the phone so that removing the back cover with less force than it would take to break the phone is only possible by the user "unlocking" it via the UI. Put the option to enter the code / unlock the back in the Developer options menu in settings, so that "normal" users are likely not even aware of it or how to find it*

Even if that increased the price of the phone, I'd MUCH rather pay for that than whatever obscene amount it costs to increase the on-board storage. Does anyone see any potential issues I've overlooked in my proposed solution? If not, dibs on the patent! :laugh: ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ptfdmedic:
I'm not sure they are going to go this direction with the note. You still have to have the stylus fit somewhere and unless they reduce the girth of the already tiny stylus, I'm not sure this will make sense on the Note.

Perhaps it's wishful thinking but I'm holding out hope that the note 5 will not follow the beat of the S6 drummer.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Or just make it policy not to use SDcards. My corporate iPad has an app that verifies me to the server for email but they can't stop me from installing what I want. Hell I can even jailbreak and "hide" the modified state from the monitoring software. No where is a removable battery or sdcard stopping me from compromising my iDevice.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] inconceeeivable:
Really? What MDM are they using? I hope it's not the one my users are on.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
when users cant open the phones, it probably reduces warranty..

plus, lets face it, since so many corporate types have iphones for their wives/kids/themselves, they specify it for the companies if they are in the position to make that call.

plus, the "perceived" security/ease of use of Iphone versus "anything android" ensures that Iphone will continue to dominate the corporate sales arena, no matter what kind of phone Samsung tries to throw out there.. its so much easier for an IT department to support ONE type of OS, versus the hodge podge of what OS Android users might happen to have on their particular android phone..

I read that only 3% of android users have Lolli on their phones now...pretty embarrassing, compared to what percentage of Apple users have the latest version on IOS on theirs..

Whether the enthusiasts on XDA agree with it or not, those are the facts that drive the decision makers in the corporate world, unfortunately..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ShrekOpher:
A bit of education on Corporate phone usage.

KNOX is quietly changing all of this. I work for a Fortune 100 company in IT. We do business with many of the biggest companies in the USA. In fact between out vendors and our customers we work with more than half of the Fortune 500.

In the last year I have seen a huge influx of companies ditching iPhones and iPads for Samsung devices that support KNOX. Particularly any companies that do work with the USA government.

You have to remember "big business" moves SLOW. Apple has already lost their stronghold on corporate partners. It is just taking a long time for corporations to make the switch.

As for supporting "one type of OS" from an IT standpoint that doesn't matter anymore. The companies don't want you to use the native apps anyway. Most companies are moving to a 3rd party apps to handle email/calendar/etc (which are way more secure than using the built in exchange mail) and are moving desktop PCs to thin clients with virtually hosted desktops (eg. Citrix Reciever). As long as you can download the apps IT doesn't care what device you use or what OS it runs on. IT only supports the apps.

This is where KNOX comes it. The most secure way to use 3rd party apps for work is to have them installed on the secure partition that KNOX provides. It's allows IT to have control over a small portion of your devices internal storage so they can remote wipe or locate the device. Apple can't provide this type of security.

For an example: If an employee quits or gets terminated and owns there device.

With an iPhone: I can cancel there email, but that's it. Any saved files, or emails are still on the device and you are counting on the employee to manage them correctly.

With a device with KNOX: I can wipe the secure partition (no sensitive files left behind), I can uninstall the corporate apps (making sure my software licenses are accurate and intact) and if they quit and didn't own the device I can kill the phone all together, or track them down to get it back.

In most big company's IT security departments the argument is over Android and KNOX is a FAR better choice, than using iPhones. It's just a matter of time before you will see the full switch.

3 companies I work with that made the change since Feb 1st:

1.) GE

2.) Emerson

3.) Xerox

***PS: Sorry for the long post but I get sick of seeing ask of the misinformation about corporate accounts and security. The only reason everyone thinks corporations ALL use iPhones, is because Apple spends a bunch of money marketing to get people to belive it.

/end rant.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
I can deal with a non-removable battery, but I will never buy any device without an SD slot and here's why.

I'm a phone tech and I encounter dead boards all day long caused by water damage, power surges, random fry-outs, etc. Board failures happen ALL the time, and every bit of data on those boards is lost forever unless the user had the good sense to set up some sort of cloud backup, which most people won't do unless it's an iPhone.

I have also experienced a catastrophic data failure. The SD card that the pictures from my father's funeral were on randomly decided to corrupt itself and quit working about 2 years ago(side note, F#$% Sandisk and their crappy cards). I was able to put the card in my computer and run a data recovery program and I got about 95% of the pictures back, but I dread to think of the outcome had those pics been stored on a board that failed. They'd have been gone forever and I'd have been heartbroken.

So... yeah. I'll be looking for a new manufacturer if Samsung continues this BS in the Note 5. No Sd slot = no deal. It really ticks me off cause I defended the hell out of them when they were being accused of copying apple, and now they pull this crap. The S6 even looks like damn iPhone from the bottom, jeez.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
Nice post [MENTION=5264497]ShrekOpher[/MENTION]; its interesting how changes occur without the general public even being aware of it!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
Why "defend" any phone manufacturer? Ultimately their stock holders are the only ones they have an allegiance to, and they have plenty of well played lawyers to "defend their honor". The only thing I will defend is my choice to spend my dollar on the manufacturer that will stretch it the most.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] theorioles33:
Well said!

I actually use DropBox and OneDrive to automatically backup my photos. You can never be to safe. OneDrive gives you 30GB of space if you choose to auto back up your photos. Takes no effort and its free. People have no excuses for losing their photos these days.

I'm so glad I decided to buy the TMO version of the Note 4 instead of the AT&T version. This may the phone I keep longer than a year. :)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Thanks for confirming my suspicion! [MENTION=5264497]ShrekOpher[/MENTION] Samsung want to knock down apple and take their place. They are on a great path. Safe to assume knox cannot delete datas on SD card yes?

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Well said my friend...After the release best believe my apple users rided my behind at work. I couldn't wait to leave lmao
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Yup, I do this now too. I did it before as well, but it had somehow gotten turned off when I lost my pics.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] clapper66:
The thing that gonna annoy anyone with a past Samsung device is no SD card slot!

When I 1st saw the S6 design this is how I would describe it. Take a Galax s5 and iPhone 6 and iPhone 4 put them all in a blender then blend them together!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] theorioles33:
Ahh that sucks. I open DropBox and OneDrive occasionally to make sure they are logged in and working. Sucks to lose photos. Especially the ones you were talking about.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Yeah, I was just heartsick when it happened. Easeus data recovery saved the vast majority of them though, thank god, and I definitely use the dropbox backup now!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Waiting for it to drop to 120 so I can get it for my LG G6 that I will be getting to replace samapple note 7 :highfive:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] VeNuMuS:
The S6 edge looks great. Hopefully they do the same with the Note Edge. I can live without a removable battery (just get a battery case) but I need my SD. It's so much easier to pop that in than too connect pc, transfer. I know they are giving us 128gbs but still. I would like to have the option to expand as files keep growing in size.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Persianhawkes:
What does the S6 all having Exynos processors mean for ROM development. Not that I'm getting one just curious in case Samsung goes that route with the next Note.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] VeNuMuS:
It won't have any effect on rom development as it would for kernel development. Back when exynos came with the Note 2 it was hard because the processor was still in its infancy. Now it's matured and is beating out qualcomm. So I don't think there will be any problems on either side of development
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] YarsRevenge78:
The Note Edge came before the S Edge however.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Yet it had removable battery and sd card and s6 edge doesnt. Your point? lol

I've already went on to elaborate on that, read a little farther through the thread please lol

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You will be grabbing the Note edge than ? I wont lie, it does look good

Problem is, I have to use a case...I got them happy hands lol

If sammy take on the S6 route, I'm not sure what people with zerolemon battery will do.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] VeNuMuS:
I had gotten the Note Edge before the regular one. Too much edge for me. The slight curvature of the 6edge is way better, and also it still has a little meat or bezel in which a case can reside.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Stiria:
You guys realize that it's confirmed to have a removable battery right...?

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s6/general/galaxy-s6-cover-removable-manual-t3047940
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] YarsRevenge78:
Anything is removable with the right tools
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
If I need to heat it with a blow dryer, it is not removable lol. I can't carry a blow dryer in my purse with an extra battery just in case my battery die.....lol

Honestly, I dont use extra batteries. But you get the point lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] TheUndertaker21:
I'm gonna sell my note 4 for the s6 edge then sell it for the note 5 edge. One of the few who doesn't care much about removable battery or SD card.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ShrekOpher:
Removable batteries are key for liquid damage. If your phone falls into a puddle/drink/pool/toilet but you grab it out quick and pull the battery, most likely it will be fine. The water damage only causes the phone to completely fry if it has an electric charge running through it.

The fact that Samsung made the battery not easily removable, and got rid of the water proofing make this phone a non purchase for many people.

For instance just last month I was in the Caribbean for a wedding, it was hot and humid as hell, to the point where carrying your phone in your pocket was probably bad for it. But being able to remove my battery I had no worries or issues. When i needed to use my phone i put the battery in and it fired up no problem. While tons of people with iPhones couldn't get them to turn on, or the screens were not working properly do to the high humidity.

Not to mention having a phone that can be easily disassembled makes it way easier to fix. Phones are built with non removable backs for 2 reason. 1.) It's sealed water &air tight, or 2.) The manufacturer doesn't want you to be able to fix it. They want you to have to buy a new one when anything breaks.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] YarsRevenge78:
I am the kind of guy who takes things apart that shouldn't be taken apart. Changing the battery on my old Palm Trio was fun. I didn't have a teardown guide and I accidentally put my screwdriver thru the keyboard ribbon. That turned out to be an expensive new battery.

Needless to say, I am a fan of the removable battery.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Oh wow , thats crazy...I never even thought of that as one of the benefits in a hot area
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
X2 but with Jump I don't have to go through the hassle selling my phone. Just walk in with old phone and walk out with new phone. LoL
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] hello00:
damn..where in the caribbean were you? 'cause ive been to hawaii, puerto rico, dominican republic, aruba, bora bora, bahamas and jamaica and never had any trouble with our devices..i live in miami, fl where it is too hot and too humid
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ShrekOpher:
Jamaica. It was so humid. Only like 85 degrees, but would rain like every 2 or 3 hours. And never really dry out. It was like bringing your phone into a sauna.

I've had my phone in many places I travel A LOT, but this was the first time I had ever seen a problem like this.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] railshot:
Preorders for S6 exceeded Samsung's Expectations. My hopes for a Note 5 with expandable storage are rapidly diminishing.

I did like LG G3 just fine, except for the overheating issue. I hope they don't try to emulate Apple with G4.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
The Korean times reported this?

I would take that with as much validity as I would a Mad Magazine article..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
From mobile carriers....mobile carriers...this have NOTHING to do with consumers doing the pre-ordering .They are talking about pre-order around the globe for carrier stores that they are anticipating on selling.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] railshot:
Doh, I missed that important distinction. Thank you for pointing it out.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] jazzmachine:
I also saw an article on that topic, but it specified that the preorders were placed by

carriers

to sell. That distinction provided a dim ray of sunshine in a seemingly bleak situation. I can understand why carriers would be attracted to this phone, considering its insane pricing for increased storage, but at least I suppose there's still the chance that loyal Samsung customers will vote

against

this "new" design with their wallets and leave them sitting on the shelves. Do I consider that likely? Not particularly, but having owned a Note 2, 3, and 4, I'm trying to remain as optimistic as I can...

Samsung clearly loves this design. Ignoring the dropped micro sd and removable battery, consider the first "sacrifice" they made solely for the sake of the phone's aesthetics (next to irrelevant IMO, as once it's covered by a case, it'll just look like another iPhone). The SD 810 was dropped because the

design / build materials

were causing it to overheat. Realistically, how much cooler can the Exynos chip really run? I'd be surprised if this phone still doesn't run hot, perhaps just not quite as hot with the Snapdragon, which is being used without issue (that I've heard of) in most of this year's other flagships. Drawing a parallel to a desktop CPU, if I had a perfectly fine chip that was running hot in my system, I certainly wouldn't replace it. I'd first install a better cooling system, then swap out my case if necessary. IMO, far too many "compromises" were made to make use of this new, flawed, design. While each member of the Note series has thus far replaced its predecessor with the title of "favorite phone I've ever owned" I can't, at this point, reasonably expect that to continue with the Note 5. As I see it, the only hope that we have is based on the sales of this device. I'm quite uncomfortable giving "unsolicited advice" to others on how they spend their money, but given the stakes, I'd urge those who are "on the fence" wrt an upgrade to the S6 to really consider the value of the removable battery and reasonably priced storage upgrades, and not to "settle" for this phone that has "solved" the... alleged issues with these components by simply dropping them as opposed to solving their perceived problems in an actual "innovative" way (such as the one I proposed several pages back), which wouldn't have provoked the soreness that this device has (i.e. everybody (

including Samsung

) wins.)

I hope I'm over-exaggerating the direness of this phone "needing to tank if we want a non-crippled Note 5", but time will tell. If I wanted an iPhone I'd buy it from Apple. The market truly has no need for this Smapplesung knock-off.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
All of this, so much.

I see SO MUCH water-damage carnage in the iphones I fix. I would actually be scared to have a phone with a sealed battery, just due to the staggering amount of blown ones I see. With my N4 if my battery starts to bloat, I just rip off the back and yank it out. The phone itself is saved & all I need is a new battery. With an iPhone or other sealed phone, if your battery starts swelling you better hope you A) have a t6 handy and B) have the knowledge to know how the phone comes apart to begin with if you wanna get to that battery before it swells up so much that it shatters your screen and fries your board.

I just... dear god this is such a bad move. Shame on you, Samsung >:|
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] bipoler:
The colors are the best thing about this device........ here's to a Note 5 in all red with glass on front and back, 1TB of on board memory, DSLR camera zoom module, 4GB ram, Ocat core @ 3.5Mhz

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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
That and the S6 Edge is a really nice looking phone. I'm so tired of black and white phones. I will be carrying the S6 naked like I do with my Note 4. I can't hide the phones in a case.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] knarfies:
Just my .2, people complain that it looks like an iphone. Lets just agree that it has similarities.

1. But where would one expect to put a speaker grill? cut through the glass?

2. The s6 has rounded edges like the iphone? The Ativ s for windows had this sleek rounded edges profile back in 2012.

3. just because samsung moved the headphone jack down to the bottom, should we cry that the iphone moved the power button to the right side like most android phones?

If someone wants to say that the S6 looks like an iphone, then hell....just means its a better, more capable version of the iphone. :P I know people are unhappy with the loss of the sd card. Hell, i was looking forward to buying a 128gb card when the prices dropped. According to samsung, the SD card wasnt widely used and given the internal storage improvements they have made...why not just stick with internal storage?I only see this being a problem for when taking 4k recording or those who keep their music on their device. i think the S6 looks beautiful. Way more than when looking at the iphone. The iphone imo looks plain. Unchanged and dull.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I love the plethora of negatives people can think up when faced with these device changes.. I'm sure all Sammy's "diagnostic" information that get pumped back gives them details of how much of their user base is actually using a card or not.

After having used a number of sealed battery devices I think most of it is just pandering to whatever your bias is. I had two Motorola and two HTC with a sealed battery and not an issue. Now I did have a GS3 explode using the OEM charger. YMMV. Every tablet I have owned has a seal battery. Neither form factor will guarantee perfection.

But hey it's a buyers market.. You don't like the device then don't buy it. I doubt it will hurt Sammy's feelings.

Also all these cries of "it looks like an iPhone" remind me of when all the shots of the HTC One came out..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] knarfies:
I agree, for the most part...im happy with the changes they have made. I never wanted a metal phone being i will always use a case but hell... the s6 looks good. cameras are improved. internal memory write speeds blow everyone else out of the water, the software has been optimized. samsung basically gave everyone what they have been asking for yet still ***** because the device doesnt rub their back at the end of the day.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
considering how many millions and millions of Iphones are sold every year, with no sd card, and no removable battery, its easy to understand why more and more manufacturers feel that they should go that same route..

Like it or not, its a copy cat kind of marketplace, so, until someone sells more phones than Apple does, other companies will continue to try and make their phones "look" like an iphone..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I guess my question is what stands out as very iPhone-esque with this device?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
sealed battery, no sd card, metal construction, rounded edges/look, to name a few..

many folks have said they feel its very iphone- esque, but obviously that is a subjective observation

I'm sure Samsung would consider it a compliment to be called "Iphone-esque"

"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"