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[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Are you sure that ultrapixel was getting more balanced exposure than m9 ? Cuz soo far from what I have seen that m9 is amazing in exposing scenes
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
That's harsh light to take shots with. If you can face away or have it at your back then you can reduce it some. Sun lower in the horizon will give you more saturated sky.

sun rise ? hmm if you can catch it very early then you can get a slow exposure. Otherwise it will be a silhouette. See

this

sunset. Centre weighted with the z3, you could get similar with the m9.

See some of hamdi's shots

The last one auto enhance was used. Shooting into the sun is tricky. But otherwise if you notice how the shadows fall you can see the sun is off to the side and behind, Bluer sky this way. The rest is pretty much auto. .

Hard to say until we see what you are trying to get.

M7 i recall made it very easy to blow out the sky.

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fixed......

Wow! you picked the right time to blend the foreground with sky :)
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
AUTO FOCUS, the M9 is calibrated for center metering, picking your own focus will screw up exposure

the M7 was notorious for its exposure issues, that was until HTC introduced centered metering with Sense 6 camera app

for HDR lock into the sun in auto mode and switch to HDR before taking the shot, do not lock in the HDR mode

[MENTION=1237654]sallam5010[/MENTION] beautiful photos my friend :good: will go to my mega thread :)
[One (M9) General] Adam182:
Ahhh so thats where I've been going wrong, i know you've mentioned this before but it must have gone over my head at the time, Much appreciated [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] - Adam
[One (M9) General] bsims85:
For everyday point and shoot photography, I have been using Cyanogen Camera. It's in the play store, but is listed as "not compatible" with the M9 (partially true). I have posted a link below. The app is working on my phone, but does occassionally force close and some features do not work. Otherwise, I've preferred over the HTC camera app for regular point and shoot pictures and video.

Not working.

HDR (will take a picture, but partially locks up the app)

4K video

Force closes if I try to edit a picture and return the camera.

This camera app allows you to change the metering. I changed it from center-weighted to frame average and my experience has been MUCH better. It keeps the exposure levels under much better control in my experience. I have had much better success with tap to focus. While recording video, if I tap to focus on an area that causes it to over expose, it will correct itself in a moment and bring the exposure back under control. It seems to handle pictures with the flash much better also. Using the stock camera, I was getting a noticeable green tint on many on pictures. I still notice it at times with Cyanogen Camera but not as often. It also seems to handle itself SLIGHTLY better in low light situations as well. From my experience, it also focuses quicker and allows me to quickly pull my phone and capture a moment with better success than the HTC camera app. Again, the app is not perfect. Occasionally forces closes and some features aren't working although all key features for me are. This could be a suitable more "stock" alternative for some people.

**I'll post some samples after I get off work.

My settings

Picture size - I use both (3:2) 20.2 megapixel and (16:9) 16.3 megapixels.

Zero Shutter Lag - On

Iso - Generally Auto HJR but vary depending on scene.

Auto Exposure - FRAME AVERAGE (this is what has really changed my experience)

link for app

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e7n7sr1fa...(5229c4ef56-30)-20004130-minAPI18[1].apk?dl=0
[One (M9) General] ronii1123:
Shuffled between ISO 200-400, contrast and saturation were at .5 each, although I didn't mean for contrast to be that way haha. Sharpening was all the way down to -2.
[One (M9) General] m4jkee:
So all those glitches can be solved with a propper camera software? I wish there would be someone, who really can edit HTC camera app to provide us all those mettering options. :angel:
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Haha yeah every photographer would pick that time of day for some photo shots ? and am no exception
[One (M9) General] bsims85:
It hasnt been a miracle app but the metering, as been one of the known major issues, can be changed using this app. Most of the other settings can changed with the HTC camera app. I do also like the ability to change focus settings. Cyanogen camera seems to allow to quickly open the camera app, focus, and snap picture more effienctly than the HTC camera. I have to fiddle around with the HTC camera app much more to get a decent "quick" picture... But results and experience may vary
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
freedcam has more options...

cds: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlated_double_sampling
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Does m9 metering have issues ? That's how center weighted behaves. In some cases average will give you a better looking shot but you can have problems with average in other kinds of scenes. I posted a comparison of dondavis shots with different metering modes where two different devices had issues with a particular kind of scene. If average becomes available then i think it would require twice the contrast you use with centre weighted to reduce haze. you can tweak contrast on the m9 but not on other devices.

What i wonder with cynaogen camera is whether it really sets iso properly. Because using 3rd party cameras on other devices (Samsung, Sony & LG) has not been able to reliably accomplish it. the camera libs were off bounds. So auto iso was the default regardless of what ISO you specifically set. And is the major drawback of using a 3rd party camera on those devices. Everything else works except manual ISO.

Can you try setting ISO low in a low light setting and verify whether it sets ISO as desired. In addition does setting ISO work as a cap or only give you every shot at that particular ISO. This is a useful 'feature' of the htc camera, that i've not seen on other stock cameras.

if you post on flickr or google drive it will be easier to peer review your results.

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Want to ask why you chose night mode for these three ?

We see that ISO is low but i can't help thinking a little more contrast would have made these better, maybe not so much with the last. But you don't have that option with night mode.

To date i'm still at a loss to explain why use night mode on the m9 at all.
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Trying a S6 and somehow most pictures looks a bit washed out. M9 vs S6 is no big deal really, the main difference is speed.
[One (M9) General] bsims85:
I haven't really tested ISO on the cyanogen camera app. I would say is a bit of an issue. I understand that's how centered behaves to an extent, but it shouldn't completely blow out the exposure. And let me say I know little to nothing about photography. (My disclaimer.. :) ) This is all based on casual usage and preference. The cyanogen camera is by no means a cure all. In my use, it's just been SLIGHTLY better for my quick point and shoot type activities. The "frame average" setting has suited my needs better and I find myself not needing to take multiple pictures of the same shot as often.

As far as ISO, it appears to me that it's setting a cap.

Keep in mind, I've only been using this app for about 24 hours. I haven't done much comparing between the two apps. I just figured I'd share my initial findings for anyone who wanted to check it out. I'll post some pictures later.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
bsims85,

Are you comparing this app to the HTC Camera 7.0.506559 software released last week or the old version?
[One (M9) General] bsims85:
I guess that would be important too, huh... I am still on the original software release. I have not updates. I am waiting for s-off.

Also, to clarify... I am not stating that images taken are any better or worse for that matter. If I were to play with settings for each shot, I'm sure I can manage a better shot with HTC app. It's more robust, particularly I'm manual mode. It's just that at times it was more of a headache to snap a quick picture . I'm only speaking to how the app automatically handles the camera. It seems to need less fiddling
[One (M9) General] Rage1ofakind:
I AM. You should know that I follow all the right procedures...

I love this camera. Was just saying it couldn't take that early morning sunshine pic properly. But I guess it was TOO bright lol. Was around 6:40 am. Sun was blinding :p.

On a different aspect, FLIPPING LOVE the manual macro mode. Gives you amazing control over each layer of depth. :)

HTC should advertise that area of the camera.
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION] I still believe that night mode got some nice denoise going on and sharper shots somehow ! I don't know why I believe that lol
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
That's not what said Gavin in the S6 photo thread ;)
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
I've been using the M9 for more than a week now and I've started to like the camera a lot, at least in good light...

I do feel the White Balance is more set towards green/yellow than it should, but overall auto does a good job...

In low light, not so much...

Besides that, HDR can do wonders sometimes...

AUTO:

HDR:
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
very nice :)

Low light and moving people. Not easy.

Easier without the people.
[One (M9) General] kertong:
Straight out of the camera, no filters or enhancements. first pic has a crop but the others are straight out of the camera. Camera seems plenty capable in good light - but in low light, details get smudged easily and end up looking like an oil painting. Overall, I am pretty happy with the camera - caveats are that low light is not so good, and makes me miss the M8 camera just a little bit. But this camera is solid, and nowhere near as bad as the reviewers had me expecting - love how fast and snappy it is to focus and shoot (unlike my bb passport or lumia 1020)

I do have a question though - is there a way to pick a spot to focus on off-center, without screwing up AE? Basically, tap to focus, without changing the autoexposure settings..
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
in Freedcam focus and exposure Metering are separated so if don't move the exposure meter circle you can touch focus anywhere without affecting exposure or vice verse
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
what can the m8 do that this one cannot ? i've seen enough low light images with longer exposures that this isn't a problem compared with others.

Its not as fast though.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Here is a freedcam sample http://www11.pic-upload.de/16.04.15/pusm7wqkr1o.jpg
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Point at the intended subject, let autofocus set the exposure. Lock it then recompose. Click.

Would that work ?
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Took some shots the other day with 2 different M9's.

Mine, running the latest International Firmware (Viper 1.3.0 beta--1.32.401.15)

Girlfriends, running latest T-Mobile Stock(1.32.531.25)

I also took some shots using FreeDcam(White balance auto corrected in Photoshop) -- I'd gladly use a different filter..etc if someone supplies them.

I tried to take the same shots with both phones, however a few of them were WAY out of focus when I got back to the computer. The T-Mobile variant seemed to have the problems with focus, possibly user error... idk. I'm not a good photographer by any means. I only pointed and shot.

I took a regular shot, and an HDR shot of every photo.

I didn't add descriptions to the photos, as I'm pretty sure it's obvious whether the photo is Auto or HDR.

1.32.531.25 album here

All with +.5 contrast -1 sharpness

1.32.401.15 album here

Most of these are +.5 contrast -1 sharpness as well, except for the first few. Contrast was set to 0 for the first few pictures of flowers. (I didn't know)

a few taken with FreeDcam converted to png's here

Exposure set to frame-average

IMAG0224 by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
Took this while waiting for wifey
[One (M9) General] kertong:
I've noticed that despite the 20MP, the M8 captures a *slight* bit more fine detail - the 20MP gets *super* smudgy at night. Sure, you can zoom in farther with 20MP, but it's not very useful as the photo ends up looking like a splotchy oil painting. I can grab some examples later. Seems like low light colors are saturated a bit more, and tones are a little more true to life (although in this example I'd have to give it to the M9 - so at this point I am probably splitting hairs haha).

Here's an M8 vs M9 example - not exactly low light, but it was a bit dim inside, and already you can see the two differences start to rear its head. Both were at ISO200, shutter speed of 1/30 exactly, and I held both phones as still as I was able. Could've been a fluke though so take this with a big grain of salt, there's a good chance I may have moved a little on the M9 and didn't on the M8. Will have to repeat some tests later.

whole image:

M8: http://i.imgur.com/SnCVhCU.jpg

M9: http://i.imgur.com/g3a4Gih.jpg

zoomed in for approximate equivalent crops at center of image:

M8:

M9:

Edit: actually, now that I'm looking closely, I think the blurring in the M9 shot is due to motion shake. I'll try to get better examples tonight. Even without the motion shake though, it seems like the oil painting effect is starting to come in a little stronger than on the M8.

I'll try another test later, this is not conclusive at all. :)
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Yep

Try to get an 8MP small also and compare with the regular 20MP.

Trust you are using the -1.5 or -1.0 sharpness with contrast at +0.5.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
App comparison - Camera FV-5 / Freedcam / HTC Camera
[One (M9) General] c5satellite2:
Anybody try Google Camera yet? Would love to see some comparison shots vs HTC camera.
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
That's a crappy app lol
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Try using mipi instead of qcom in freedcam.

mipi has an identity matrix that should take care of the green cast .

Also instead of using auto white balance trying white balance tool and click on geyish darkish areas .

Picture 1 the sides of the window the dark area .

Picture 2 Upper Left Corner

Picture 3 The Roof of one of the houses
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=464669]kertong[/MENTION] yes m-blurred, and you are comparing low light which isnt fair in tiny pixel versus big pixel ;) still if you cap ISO and sharpness and stabilize your hand, the detail in distance from the M9 will destroy the M8 check this
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
did anyone try a Better Camera yet?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam&hl=en
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

i've bought many cam apps (a better camera, camera fv-5, camera fx, awesome camera, dslr camera and many more),

but freedcam is best at the moment for me.
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
Try the oppo camera
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Which of the playstore apps you tried can reliably set manual ISO on m9 ?

Does capping ISO work ?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
iso setting works fine, but not manual exposure time :(
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I only did the flower, here are my results.

Here's before:

IMG_2015.04.15_17.07.02_bayer-qcom-10gbrg by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr

And after:

white balance tool by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] paul_59:
Could anyone clarify for me: does M9 camera capture raw images ?

I notice some posts in the thread refer to raw / dng .

Camera FV5 reported raw not supported.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Using FreeDcam you can take raw images.

As well as supporting raw/dng, it also support many different metering options.

If taking raw change the picture format to bayer-mipi-10gbrg

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=troop.com.freedcam&hl=en

Also, shouldn't an update be coming to take raw pictures with the stock camera app? "Professional mode"
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Oh Snap You are missing a camera profile when using qcom so the cast does not go away fully.

in the zip attached there are camera profile there's a read me on where to copy then to.

To Apply if Using Photoshop Camera Raw plugin look for the tab with camera icon look for where it says embedded click on it look for one plus click on it the colours should change .

then use white balance tool the colors should look normal.

the one plus profile works for mipi profile as well just check which one you like more.

If using Lightroom Scroll all the way down to calibration tab click on embedded the rest should be same as above

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does manual exposure work in stock camera app?

if it does we can get it to work.

Does Manual Focus work ?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
no problems in stock htc camera app, all works fine
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I think you forgot to attach the zip :p
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
my bad lol
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION]

bayer-mipi-grbg don't need profile, here 10 samples processed with photoshop express for android:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/maik_reifschneider/sets/72157651505923058/
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
yeah it was for shots he might have taken with qcom profile to correct them

also the embedded profile in mipi was for the IMX 135 and its a pretty basic calibration.

the one plus camera profile was a bit more advanced calibration with hue shift correction mappings etc for me it seemed to produce more natural results but you can test embedded mipi vs one plus profile see which one looks better .

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yeah it was for shots he might have taken with qcom profile to correct them

also the embedded profile in mipi was for the IMX 135 and its a pretty basic calibration.

the one plus camera profile was a bit more advanced calibration with hue shift correction mappings etc for me it seemed to produce more natural results but you can test embedded mipi vs one plus profile see which one looks better.

But a permanent best solution is to get someone with an M9 and a color checker chart to shoot with qcom profile and profile m9 camera and lens
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION]

a better noise reduction would be great, luminance noise is terrible in freedcam lowlights :(
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Here it is using the One Plus camera profile

onepluscameraprofile by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] kertong:
awesome! yeah, motion blur ruined that shot, so it's not a fair comparision. Thanks for your post to the M8 Eye vs M9 comparisions - but that was with the M8 Eye which uses the 13mp non-ultrapixel camera right? Curious to see how those tests would come out with the 4MP ultrapixel M8! :) I have both phones, I may try a little test tonight :)
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
I had a chat with [MENTION=2617206]supercurio[/MENTION] who calibrated the one plus

this what he had to say about noise

"Calibration is also characterizing the intensity and nature of noise"

"In order to correct it adequately later"

"So yeah there can be failures both at the noise calibration and then on how the noise reduction is implemented and tuned"

So M9 needs proper camera profile .

try limiting iso I just leave iso @ 100 forces my device to slow shutter and at night activate tripod mode drops shutter to 1 second .

best is to slow shutter limit iso to base only use auto if you absolutely need to shoot motion at night.

CDS Mode also helps when capped at iso 100 I can turn off denoise and there's no noise but have to be still as pixel values are sampled twice .

alternatively shoot multiple images of the same scene and use median stacking requires less noise reduction and retains more details at night
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION]

the attached pic is taken with iso100 :(
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
try over exposing with iso limited to 100 .

perhaps 100 is not the base iso.

try do noise comparison 100 200 400 Auto

I've seen auto shots on m9 going below 100 if this happens and base is 100 you are loosing dynamic range in raw.

can you attach the sample as dng so I can test it with different noise reduction plugins

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can you upload the original dngs something seem of
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1z8MDQiAQEJRzhpenVVN0tic1E/view?usp=sharing
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cgi7xycnqfg9tp/IMG_2015.04.17_16.03.25_bayer-mipi-10grbg.dng?dl=0
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION]

any news for api2 on m9? after editing build.prop my device is very unstable and some camera aps crashing.
[One (M9) General] hgoldner:
I just want to mention that I just went out and shot a few things for HTC Elevate using my M8 camera (after having used pretty much ONLY my HTC RE and my M9 since January). Boy is that ultrapixel camera a poor substitute for the M9 camera properly tuned and set up. Just try it for a while and you'll learn to appreciate the M9's 20 megapixel and customization. Duo camera is a nice trick; so are ultrapixels (that's why they're now on the FRONT), but not for a main camera.
[One (M9) General] Duncan1982:
Mmmm pizza :)
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Freedcam lowlight...

ISO1250 1/9
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
theoretically it should have enabled you to use api2 features but I think the android camera libs ie libcamera_client libcamera_service may need to be updated to get it to work.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION]

api2 check by manual camera is ok, but don't work
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
okay I see why it noisy at low iso it seems like a sensor limitation a scene like this you will have to bracket the shot and merge HDR there's not enough shadow details .

Seem sensor cannot handle so much range .

Lol try shooting with front sensor and compare with rear should be the same as m8 rear .

use same settings if front results in same amount of noise there is major problems.

if front has much much less noise then it rear sensor at fault.

what's confusing me is that sensors can output at 12bits it should have better DR.

we look into hardcoding a test bayer-mipi12 to see if 12bits is enabled at driver level maybe it will help this situation.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
cool :good:
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
not sure how the scene actually looked

first image for white balance sampled edge of leaf after applying camera profile .

second I applied Orton effect action

http://nubia.cn/6fANbu
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I took this today, these colors are a pretty accurate representation of the flower.

Also, just messing around with manual mode around the fire.

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Took a 2 second exposure of the night sky.

https://flic.kr/p/sbrj8v
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

How can I post flicker links ?

How lol
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
OK guys you will have to teach me about all this profile thing is it on the phone using freedcam or on desktop?

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Its funny that even UP needs ISO cap, the problem is HTC camera app
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

desktop, Photoshop or so...
[One (M9) General] Joloxx9:
Good news, camera update is on the way
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
here is the tmo us ota 1.32.531.33, thanks to [MENTION=4174733]Behold_this[/MENTION]

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95916177934556684

Mirror: http://ul.to/5mho2dw7