yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G 2014 General] tfeleal:
So , as a basis for conversation, understand this - installing a custom rom is a choice, not a religion. And furthermore, what most users find in custom roms is something most manufacturers can't deliver - updates to "forgotten" smartphones. My first android smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy GIO that got one update in gingerbread 6 months after purchase and never got updated again . Went all the way to ICS with CM, best decision I ever made.

The biggest problem for me is that most devs are focused in the operating system from a personal and not functional point of view. We all want more functionality out of our smartphones but most custom roms add on the already very modded base (usually CM). This, I believe, is a wrong principle, because you get the bugs from CM and on top you get the bugs from modding CM. If you add function to stock via Xposed you get a customised rom, yet, at the cost of RAM and free space.

Even on a nexus device, if Google fails miserably and you own one, well, my friend, you will be amongst the first to see the failure, so getting a nexus doesn't really solve your issue with the software. It's all about choosing the company with the best update policy/reputation, and in my personal case not only that, but praying that de devs take a shine to the device and release roms long after policies and reputation have taken halt.

So there ir no perfect formula, and even if I believe that the ideal rom would be and AOSP based optimization with a focus on function (rather than shiny themes, better icons and "all in" useless modding), the current dev distribution per custom rom is also based on personal preferences (ie one rom is better than another and so on) rather than a organised team. But I'm no expert and I can't code to save my life, so feel free to disregard this comment.

Anyhow, all the questions you asked at the end of your post have answers all aroud the Titan forums. And the type of questions tell me you don't really know what you are talking about.

In summary, try searching before crapping on the devs work. When Motorola drops the moto g 2014 updates, who do you think is going to update your device?
[G 2014 General] RomuloPF:
Thanks!

2) In Brazil we have DTV version too (my case - XT1069). On CM12 website they say that it's a universal ROM for all versions.. but works with everything?

5) The question is about "downgrading Android": Officially you can't downgrade a ROM.. so if i have stock 5.0.2... i can install stock 5.0.2 again by flashing it OR install a newer version.. i can't install 5.0.1, for example, if i'm on 5.0.2.
[G 2014 General] smitharro:
I don't know about digital TV. Look around on XDA. Maybe there is support, maybe some 'plugin' you'll have to install. I have an XT1068 so I can't help you on this one!

It's correct that you can't downgrade an official rom. A custom rom is a different story. But there's not a hair on my head thinking to go back to stock...

Written with my XT1068 using Tapatalk on CM12.1
[G 2014 General] RomuloPF:
Ok :D It's just, navigating on the site, it's strange to try to find an "stable" and didn't return anything. But if it's the way they're working, no problem.

I work with IT, in my case on infrastructe.. but i studied about development too. I'm not talking "not knowing what i'm talking about".

Google it's, probably the bigger IT company. It's a HUGE, but VEEEERY HUGE epic fail and lazyness to it to release crap Lollipop 5.0.0, and need 3 "updates" to get something stable. (5.0.1, 5.0.2 and 5.1) It's just ridiculous². Seriously, it's unbelievable something like this happens. And it's with GOOGLE, it's not only with Android. My notebook have 4GB of RAM and 5 tabs on Chrome (AND NOTHING MORE) my Windows alarms "out of memory". The same 5 tabs on IE11 and i have 1,5GB free. My workstation has 8GB, Chrome with 10 tabs use 4GB+.

It's not Motorola's fault, it's not CM12 team fault, it's only Google lazyness. And i don't blame Motorola for i didn't have 5.1 yet, just because if 5.0.2 was stable enough everything was fine with all devices with 5.0.2.

And my questions about CM it's just basic questions... just to know more from the dudes who works directly with it.... It wasn't a noob asking something without knowing anything about, relax :highfive:
[G 2014 General] Thecrazyskull:
If you dont want cm its fine too.

Use aosp by alberto, its 100% aosp+ clear all button and advanced reboot menu.

Updates come every week at least once for alberto's aosp so its the way to go if you dont want cm.
[G 2014 General] tfeleal:
Despite my comment I use blissl. It's simple really, no AOSP has the features I want and bliss comes with a lot of them (even though I think it's too many). Better off switching the ones I don't need and smoothing out the experience with moto apps and kernel modding than betting on a AOSP that doesn't come with that much overall improvement. It's a dillema, AOSP brings authenticity and Customs bring options. Even if I would like an AOSP with very specific mods (but you can't always get what you want and i'm not learning to code and compile), bliss is the one that gave me less hassel and better performance overall. Better have options and turn them off than need them and not having.
[G 2014 General] fburgos:
I'm sure cm12.1 is not the solution for memory leak but neither is going to be stock 5.1, stock 5.0.2 is just fine compared to cm12.1 or aosp5.1, Motorola 5.0.2 haven't really fixed google's mistakes on 5.0.2 don't expect 5.1 to be the best experience.

Your problem is dtv then wait for Motorola because it needs "Motorola framework" not aosp framework.

Ram management is the problem then go back to stock 4.4.4 I feel it has better ram management than 5.x.

Not having the latest OS is the problem then go to cm12.1 or aosp 5.1

Personally i think the Motorola framework could take long time and effort to port and having Google "fixing" their mistakes constantly it just don't worth the time and effort why porting all the framework to 5.1 if around the corner is android M, if I was the manager at Motorola I'll do the same just wait to a stable better Google base to start porting to my devices/customization/framework at the end of the day is about the balance of making money and having the costumers satisfied, something that is not easy to do, you will always have unhappy costumers... Just because.
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
Dtv works in cm* but it needs some xt1069 specific files

We can't add it in official cm as dtv will never work on other devices

If you want I can provide dtv addon

Aosp 5.1.1 = Motorola 5.0.2 but 5.1.1
[G 2014 General] :
the stock ROM contains the EAP-SIM authentication method for WI-FI networks which are widely used in France. It essentially allows you to connect to your carriers WI-FI hotspots without manually entering a username and password (they are stored and communicated by the SIM card). This feature is present on NO AOSP/CM based ROM and only on stock based ROMs, it is an extremely usefull feature that made me stay on stock (even thought I regularly test other ROMs only temporarly)
[G 2014 General] LuK1337:
Thank you for informing me that such thing exists, I'll look into that.

Actually this thing isn't implemented in CM, AOSP so I guess I can't just "enable" it easily.
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
Whoa ,,, Moto G 1st gen forums, guys discussing there 5.1 performance , review and now there news for 5.1.1 update for them

And what we doing here ,,, fighting over cm vs stock ,, This must be daily laughing stock for Moto Engineers

why ??????
[G 2014 General] zman01:
Cause they don't give a sh-t about it. Next time just don't buy anything from Motorola if you're disappointed like me.

But why is the word confirmed in the thread title? Nothing is confirmed!
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
Now its Confirmed For this Device too

Moto Support Forum Admin now accepting 5.1 update for Moto G 2nd Gen

Here is the Snap

[IMG="snap"]http://i59.tinypic.com/2e5mlg7.png[/IMG]
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
Same question, different answer. on Twitter:" it's almost certain but we don't have any official info yet".

And I annoyed (not in a malignant way!) the guys in the Motorola forums and got this answer after some slightly provocative postings:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0WGdtNWubBJbzFVQUlQd09HUE0/edit?usp=docslist_api
[G 2014 General] Tel864:
I can't believe anyone is actually believing anything those folks in the Motorola forums puts out. They know no more than the rumors they hear themselves. I work for my carrier and we still support this phone. I have heard that the Moto G won't get 5.1.1 but will go straight to "M" eventually. That's going to be down the road though.
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
For me it´s just fun to make this rumors a bit more interesting. You can ask them on Twitter,you can ask them in their forums and probably you even can ask Mr Schuster himself and nobody will even confirm or discard the fact of an upcoming 5.1.x update for the Moto G 2nd gen.

It would be so much easier for them to say: "YES,you´ll get it" or "NO way,5.1.x comes for several devices but not for yours".

Why this beating about the bush? This behaviour is just kind of absurd.
[G 2014 General] istux:
Just a matter of marketing.

You should think from the point of view of a company.
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
Maybe...
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
Moto G 2nd Gen get's full release 5.1 in china:

https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/dWDQaQyJWJ9
[G 2014 General] BRAiNCHiLD95:
finally!

finally... atleast it has started rolling out! :D:cool::good:
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
A user with same version and build number (22.46.7) posted screenshot on Motorola forum ,, and that is not 5.1 but 5.0.2

David posted link where its showing the same build number,,,

One Chinese commented on David post saying he got update but its not 5.1...

Motorola whenever they release any soak test or final they update their device support page first but in this case no updates....

What's happening Moto ..u guys r screwed up ..lol ..
[G 2014 General] ashutosh90:
Atleast credit me while posting about my post. :rolleyes:

I was the one who posted this on David's post on Google+
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
SO , U the guy with That Build update or the Chinese Guy who posted on David post about that UPdate
[G 2014 General] ashutosh90:
I am the guy who posted about the build number and Android version discrepancy.

That Chinese guy replied to my post. My post is just above the Chinese's post.
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
,,, That build with screenhot I saw already posted in Moto support Forum which I check frequently and On David Post I saw that chinese post,, I completelty missed your post:cyclops:
[G 2014 General] Neperpika:
That guy owns a xt1072 moto G and he is from Brazil.. So i dont think its the same update for the 3g Variants... Maybe just same date..

Sent from my XT1063
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
There was a bugfix update for the 4g version.
[G 2014 General] echow2001:
about time! http://www.phonearena.com/news/Seco...tarts-to-receive-Android-5.1-in-China_id71684

Will never buy from motorola again. The performance on 5.0.2 was so bad and they wouldn't let me downgrade with a locked bootloader so I had to unlock bootloader and install LuK1337's great rom http://xdaforums.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-android-source-project-t3123109
[G 2014 General] Thecrazyskull:
Buy samsung then you'll never get an update lol.
[G 2014 General] echow2001:
True. I actually had a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus way back in 2012. My first android :) The updates were definitely way worse than moto. I'm not really that bugged about being a version behind, but the bad performance on 5.0.2 was what really made me hate moto.

May buy either a oneplus one or whatever new nexus comes out depending on the price.
[G 2014 General] Thecrazyskull:
Well 5.0.2 stock performance is almost the same or even better than cm 5.1 so i dont think you can expect much more from a €180 device :p
[G 2014 General] Lynse:
Moto 5.0.2 doesn't have a bad performance, it have a bad animation framerate, and its the complete opposite of a smooth rom, but the performance is almost the same as CM12.1.
[G 2014 General] cuzzo94:
In my opinion on 5.0.2 it still has very bad memory issues. If you use an application for a long time (like facebook, hangouts ecc) it kills everything else, and if you try to open a link (so it has to switch app and open a web browser to load the web page) it usually takes 10-15 seconds before the application is opened (and it still has to load the page .-.).

If you use multitasking a little, than 5.0.2 performances are VERY VERY bad

I hope they can do something about it

( yes, i did a clean update, i don't have strange apps instslled ecc)
[G 2014 General] istux:
In 5.1.1 memory leaks should be fixed. Let's cross our fingers ;)
[G 2014 General] echow2001:
No. Its not that, on the old stock rom the launcher had to redraw every time, but on 5.1.1 it rarely runs out of ram. On 5.1.1 process stats it shows normal and moderate and sometimes low, but on old stock 5.0.2 it was critical for almost half the time and never normal.
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
Lol... David post about 5.1 update for Moto G 2nd Gen is taken down ,,,,, lol
[G 2014 General] zman01:
Another guy at Motorola who doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm quite sure 5.1 isn't coming yet.

https://plus.google.com/+DavidSchuster/posts/Fg7eYzvRyFP
[G 2014 General] stebenwulf:
5.1 isn't coming to moto g(2nd gen) until moto g (3rd gen) is out..
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
I even doubt that
[G 2014 General] istux:
Why not?

They already released 5.1.1 for Chinese moto g2, so I'm sure the update will hit us too in the future. ;)

It's not their flagship model, so we have to wait.
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
How u be that sure ,,, That post of David about 5.1 update for Moto G 2nd Gen is taken down ,,, which clearly shows It was by mistake post ,,, probably it was meant for Moto X or Moto E

And never the less ,,, Any where in the world for Soak/Official release ,,, Moto Support page for respective device gets updated first ,,, In this case, Moto G 2nd gen page not updated for any 5.1 news ,,,

And Moto cant simply release official 5.1 for 2nd Gen ,,, it should be Soak first
[G 2014 General] istux:
Oh sorry, I missed David's mistake about moto g2 :(

Come on, they're upgrading even Moto E 1st gen to 5.1, they cannot forget us.

Let's be more positive and trustful ;)
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
I think to Boost the sales of Moto G 3rd Gen ,, Moto will hault update for this device upto 2 months

U r right ,,, we can only speculate
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
The reason of taking down the post is that David was talking about the Moto X ,not the Moto G.

So I don't believe that 5.1.1. is coming to our phone,maybe it goes straight to Android M or we stay where we are.
[G 2014 General] Vidhanth:
I asked a Motorola agent about the 5.1.1 update and after asking for some info, this is what she said :(
[G 2014 General] shad876:
Moto customer care agents don't normally know jack about updates so that's not really a credible source
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
Yep android 5.1 is official

Full Changelog : https://gist.github.com/luca020400/a9580ecac531da8748c9
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
I dont think its all about Camera sensor and Codecs,, Nexus 5 has different processor and SOC, and its all depend on them too.

And on the 1080p decoding ,,, i am not confirmed but 400 doesnot support Hardware decoding of 1080p videos ,,, only till 720p ,,, software -- yes ... And also due to less Ram availability,,, Moto Engineers thought it would be not that much beneficial to them ,,, so they skipped it ..

I was haapy to know that Lollipop will bring Camera Api2 ,,, but its tough to get it that not available for all devices same as Kill switch
[G 2014 General] hoopas:
Holy crap that's a lot to read!!!:eek: haha
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
Don't tell it to my pc

I had to download aosp source code and then execute a script ( it takes ages ... )
[G 2014 General] sky0165:
Our device indeed support 1080p as well. It's clearly laziness from motorola.

http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com/l/449/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-400-MSM8226
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
Memory Leak changes:

4dc1f8c camera: Fix memory leak in HDR mode

04ab0eb Fix memory leak with default Framebuffers.

ab56c6a Fix memory leaks in angle_unittests.

e951ff4 Fix memory leak from zero-length DTLS fragments.

734fca0 Fix memory leak in ssl3_get_cert_verify.

3e14885 Fix memory leak.

389110a DTLS: fix memory leak when allocation fails.

db4f952 Fix memory leak with client auth.

26de838 Fix memory leak in FakeSSLCertificate::GetChain(), discovered by Linux Memcheck build/try bots

ab79ab5 Fix memory leak in MultiPictureDraw GM

7ba2828 Fix memory leak in SkPDFType1Font

f459c85 Fix memory leak introduced in http://crrev.com/387863005

d9cf38a Revert of Fix memory leak in "Begin atlasing" (https://codereview.chromium.or...

40d9c0e Fix memory leak in (Begin atlasing https://codereview.chromium.or...

5f5cbf2 Fix memory leak in webrtc::MouseCursorMonitorMac

7f0fe3f Fix memory leak in webrtc::MouseCursorMonitorMac

e443ffa DO NOT MERGE - fix memory leak in PatchPanel

85f480e Fix memory leak

5cb769d Fix memory leak where we close the descriptor instead of the file.

and theres more, lol

edit

reddits info: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2yjnjv/memory_leak_has_been_eliminated_in_51/
[G 2014 General] NXghost:
lol, like, there's a memory leak in everywhere, now i will not get scared when something like this appears on changelogs: "fix memory leak when you open an app" "fix memory leak when click 2 times on the screen" "fix memory leak when you receive a call"
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
haha exactly, back in 5.0.0 there was the colorfade.java bug, where if you screen of and on and you spam it alot, it would consume alot alot of ram, thats the memory leak fixed in 5.0.1, i tried it in 5.0.2, no issues :D

anyways excited for the new 5.1, hope cm updates soon so we dont have to wait for motorola to release the stock rom, at least also with 5.1 (cm12.1?) it will be usable, atm i hate cm12 (android 5.0.2 in general), its nice and feature filled, but animations are laggy, apps reload and etc.. not cms fault, but androids fault i guess, but some roms fix the laggy animations, why not cm!? :)

rant = over
[G 2014 General] doctor_droid:
No memory leak for me on nexus 5 running 5.1 ... Looks like its fixed finally.. (my bro has a moto g 2014 which i use sometimes, no comparison of lollipop ui smoothness on both devices)

Really good improvement in battery... :)
[G 2014 General] Tel864:
I do see that Google Developers website now has the 5.1 images posted for Nexus phones.
[G 2014 General] warded:
Hope we will recieve another update after this (6.0 or something like that) and moto
[G 2014 General] devsk:
hey [MENTION=4725371]Pizza_Dox[/MENTION]: how u doing buddy?...:)

Looks like major fixes for memory leaks in 5.1.0 compared to 5.0.2:

$ grep -i memory AOSP\ 51\ changelog.txt | grep -i leak|wc -l

33

So, 33 memory leak fixes by a simple count. May be more which did not have words "memory" and "leak" in summary. So, they really took memory leaks to heart in this release...:)

Hopefully, this helps Moto G when we get 5.1 this month.

PS: BTW, there are about 14700 changes in 5.1. Hopefully, they did not introduce new memory leaks...:D:D:p:p:laugh:
[G 2014 General] doctor_droid:
Also the ota for nexus 5 is as big as 220mb....

Hope so see my moto g 2014 to run this fluid as well......23rd march is the date Right?
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
Yeah man I hope its smooth on our device and 23rd of March or wait till like CM updates, and then we can update :)

Yeah I know there's a lot of changes haha :D

I'm alright, u? ;)

Sent from my Moto G 2014
[G 2014 General] drheu:
In case some of you guys don't know, it's quite likely that CM12.1 will be released in the next nightly :)

source: http://www.unlockpwd.com/lollipop-android-5-1-coming-with-the-next-nightly-cyanogenmod-12-1/
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
No , we need to wait a few more days ( a week or two )

They have to make cm12 changes working with 5.1 and fix mismerges
[G 2014 General] devsk:
trudging along...:D Have been busy last few weeks.

---------- Post added at 09:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:00 AM ----------

Oh yeah...there is no way those 14000+ changes can be merged without straight merge conflicts and/or run time conflicts/failures. This will not be as smooth as 'git merge' and go...:D
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
As I said mismerges xd
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
5 days according to this source: http://www.unlockpwd.com/lollipop-android-5-1-coming-with-the-next-nightly-cyanogenmod-12-1/ (wrong source, lost it :/)

since it was released like yesterday / 2 days ago, i guess, that leaves 3-4 days left :D

edit

found this, wtf? gs2? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24G9Ai7tiu0
[G 2014 General] Toby0897:
i know the s2 has a pretty stable cm12 but i really dont think that it would have 5.1 this soon :/
[G 2014 General] devsk:
Bad news guys...memory leak is persisting in 5.1 for some folks: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=159738
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
He says its fixed, that's a Google dev, so I'm sure they will push a 5.1.1 update out soon issuing the horrible memory leak plague...

That video says otherwise :)

Sent from my Moto G 2014
[G 2014 General] devsk:
Wow! That was updated like 2 hours ago! Awesome!
[G 2014 General] NXghost:
I heard in somewhere that the bootanimation Memory leak is still present on 5.1, but the bootanimation.bin fix continues to work flawlesly, dunno if its truth or just bullcheet.
[G 2014 General] Imperious Rooster:
"The update will start rolling in few weeks or from next month*beginning"

They don't even know when. The timeline they gave is too general. I mean, of course we are going to get 5.1 in the next weeks , I can say that too( and not only me)
[G 2014 General] Roldorf:
There is still no fix in 5.1 for the memory leak.

From Android Police on March 15th:

for full story see here http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/03/15/google-android-5-1-memory-leak-has-been-fixed-internally-no-timeline-for-release-yet/

---------- Post added at 07:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:36 PM ----------

We are very unlikely to get an update to 5.1 from Motorola for the XT 1068 this month, as they are still in the process of rolling out OTA for 5.0.2

Announced today on the Motorola forum:

So don't get your hopes up. :confused:
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
We will get CM12.1 before Stock 5.1, yes on the github page a google dev reported it being fixed, so they have to provide a 5.1.1 update that will fix that, :)
[G 2014 General] BRAiNCHiLD95:
It's coming soon!

Just an update as per what I read today! :)

As per this source : Motorola and GSMArena's POST (TODAY)

Motorola have started the 5.1 soak test for Moto X (2nd Gen). So, probably in the next month, our Moto G (2nd Gen) will get the official update too..

:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::good:
[G 2014 General] sky0165:
Sorry for this.
[G 2014 General] zman01:
I think i can live with the memory leak bug, since our phone isn't that much affected with that bug, like e.g. the nexus 5. But they must adjust the lowmemorykiller settings!
[G 2014 General] Cap'nCook:
Our phones pretty affected by the memory leak bug imo, in fact its been worsened by Motorola :/
[G 2014 General] BRAiNCHiLD95:
Ummm..

Idk what that was :P

-------------------------------------------------------

However, new source from xda portal posts Android 5.1 OTA Surfaces for Moto X 2014 .... The soak test OTA is out for Moto X (2014), which means Moto G (2014) update is just around the corner... :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[G 2014 General] zman01:
I'm pretty Nexus 5 users were affected more then we. I saw a lot of comments that after 1 or max. 2 days of use they must restart they phone, because the system is eating up all the free ram and the phone is lagging like a hell. On the other side I can use my moto G 1-2 weeks without restarting.
[G 2014 General] Roldorf:
No problems with memory leak on my build. In fact no problems at all on my version of 5.0.2 I guess I am just lucky. :fingers-crossed: