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[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
The market has successfully conflated the hardware and software of smartphones in many people's minds. A smartphone or tablet is just another personal computing device....and the stock rom is just one of many operating systems it could run if the devices and the market wasn't so closed.

I like the opportunity to buy hardware that I like and then run software of my choosing on it.

What stops AOSP from being as efficient as stock-basd roms in your opinion?

All the features you mentions are in many AOSP roms but, they are just apps. Anyone could write those...
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ombadboy:
Tripping Knox does not void your warranty.. Only if you broke your phone doing something that is allowed by rooting.. i.e. overclocking the processor and frying it..
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matheus_sc:
Closes source of exynos, i have s4 exynos and aosp works bad, even cm drop support after short time
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
According to Samsung it does. According to EU laws it doesn't. But repair centers can be a-holes, and refuse fixing your phone until you start citing paragraphs. So it's a gray area, which companies like to exploit.

Also, if you see your knox 0x1 phone, what does it say during boot?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ombadboy:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2517816

From user reports it seems -most- don't care about tripping Knox. I guess it comes down to how lucky you are. But if you are in EU then you also have the law on your side.

https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html

Anyways, we're getting off topic.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
Your experience of AOSP on Exynos does not apply to

all

AOSP roms. You already know that AOSP on Exynos is deliberately hampered by Samsung's closed source policies so, why make a false sweeping claim about efficient use of hardware in

all

AOSP roms?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thy.flesh.consumed:
From what I see there is very little to no support for Exynos based phones. Like everyone has said already, there will be "stock" based roms that might strip out TouchWiz and change a thing here and there, but the holy grail of custom roms - AOSP/CyanogenMod is out of questions.

Do not buy this phone if you hope to put CyanogenMod/AOSP on it. I made the same mistake by buying a budget LG F6 phone - I was hoping CM support will eventually come for it and it never did. People got it to boot CM, but it had severe problems with force rebooting, lousy call volume, flaky BT and data. Totally not worth it.

If you love or don't care about TouchWiz either way, then it's going to be a good phone. If you can't live without AOSP/CM then you better skip it.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garwynn:
That's not to say that it won't have the support... it just means it's going to be harder to make it work.

We've been spoiled by 3 years of Qualcomm for LTE Galaxy devices - that party is now over.

But I don't think you'll see the community abandoned. It will just take longer to get a working build.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] opieum:
For those worried about the Exynos 7 coding I will put this here. http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/02/20/samsung-gh7-quad-core-64-bit-arm-soc-code-submitted-to-linux/ its a start to coding efforts.

The coders should know what to do with this information or at least follow it up with more info. This is the CPU / kernel code not ROM. But its a start to get things rolling. As always every stock gets rooted eventually. Knox has made it more difficult for Rom modders. As the phones get more security integration it likely will get harder to do. That does not mean custom roms won't happen, there will be just less of them due to the pain in the ass to make them.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] legend221:
I have to give it to HTC in this regard. They have a lot more tolerance when it comes to unlocking the boot loader / rooting. They even had their own website achieving this even on the high end tablets / phones in the past. Companies know we are rooting and unlocking our phones / tablets, we are the risk takers within the millions that buy their devices BUT still matter.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bonebeatz1234:
If I can recall the note 3 uses that processor and most of the international notes and there development seems rock solid not really sure what you mean no custom Roms. Even if you have verizon people will find a way to get **** done. Close this thread please I see where this is going
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] legend221:
There is no need to close the thread this is a valid question to ask. Time will tell the development of the S6. Let's face it a lot of devs and modders will get the phone. If there is a good enough Rom that's fast, stable and force close free I'm considering going everything my brain is telling me about not buying it and pull the trigger.

.: Sent from my 'ANDROID til I die' Phone or Tablet :.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eousphoros:
Fwiw I am the device maintainer for klimtwifi (exynos soc). My current plan is the grab an s6. Hopefully myself or the others will be able to get a custom ROM running. Until we have the device in hand its impossible to give a timeline.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] legend221:
You and everyone else here that works on making these devices rooted or a Rom is created for are to be thanked. Not only today but daily, because of you valued members of xda we keep coming back and will continue to support you however we can.

.: Sent from an optimized 'ANDROID til I die' device :.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
AOSP custom rom?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eousphoros:
Once we get CM booting it will be pretty easy for someone else to get AOSP booting. I share my code when I can. Eg. https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_samsung_klimtwifi :)
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matheus_sc:
I dont said in all devices, only with exynos, for other device like snapdragon aosp is better than stock, i dont recommend exynos for anyone after my s4.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
I should have remembered that "AOSP custom rom" is an overloaded term.

Anyway, I just meant to ask if you were confident that you could get

any

AOSP-based rom to work smoothly on the S6 given it's Exynos-only construction. CM is an AOSP rom so....thanks for the reply. ;)

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My bad [MENTION=3868011]matheus_sc[/MENTION]. Mistook you for [MENTION=4717281]freakingprime[/MENTION] when you commented on my reply to [MENTION=4717281]freakingprime[/MENTION]... :o

I can't recommend Exynos to anyone for now either but......read [MENTION=2346758]eousphoros[/MENTION]'s posts in this thread.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eousphoros:
My only worry is the locked bootloader. The rest could be challenging but I am looking forward to it.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matheus_sc:
How i said i made this mistake one time, exynos maybe you can have some tw based roms and maybe [MENTION=3562083]wanam[/MENTION] kernel, but only some people works with exynos.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eousphoros:
I did the initial bring up on the exynos5420 and while not easy it was doable. Now that klimtwifi has gone official I'm looking to the next challenge.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MikeyMike01:
If you ask me, Samsung does a lot of things poorly in their software. But they do do a lot of things well. I like having a ROM that keeps the things they did well and eliminates the rest, rather than burn it all to the ground. But that's just me.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyknight77:
I'm on a galaxy s2 with exynos running cyanogen rom, so hoping s6 edge will have the Sam support. I'm not looking for tons of ROM options, just a few that improves stock ROM.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrcol:
AOSP = overhyped?

On my oneplusone I tried

paranoid 5.x - the latest and greatest, except all the unique features seem missing, no hybrid mode, no pie chart UI thingy, apparently these got cut.

Omnirom - again features incomplete, seems stuck in nightly builds, no stable build (story of AOSP roms) and I am noticing some unique features at least. (kitkat no lollipop build)

Cyanogen - CM11s came with the oneplusone, is ok, but been honest I prefer touchwiz.

In the days of gingerbread, cyanogenmod was light years ahead of touchwiz for features and performance. But wow how things have changed, modern touchwiz is as fast as cyanogenmod and the AOSP dev's seem to be constantly cutting features, streamlining etc. so they can keep up with new android versions. On top of that is things to deal with such as broken camera etc.

Regarding lollipop, I honestly also think kitkat is much better, S6 will probably ship with lollipop meaning the S5 and S5+ have the better software.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JoeFCaputo113:
Almost all S5s have 5.0 by now.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrcol:
except the one been distributed in EU currently the 901F

My point is S5 owners even if they have updated to 5.0 can use a 4.4 rom if they want to. Whilst a S6 owner has no option to use a 4.4 rom.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tusing:
Ewwww. Why would you even want to use 4.4?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrcol:
I take it you didnt read my previous posts.

Short answer is its better than 5.0
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
It's 1984. Welcome to Gattaca, Brazil. ;)
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrcol:
you lost me.

I am guessing you been sarcastic to say we all should be robots and always want the latest?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
1984

Gattaca

Brazil

A poor attempt to highlight the similarities between walled gardens (i.e. closed ecosystems) and totalitarian systems in regard to loss or lack of individual choice.

Hence the inability to revert to earlier roms, unlock devices (which are just

general purpose computers

after all) for alternative uses or whatever....
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XeoNoX:
keep your eye out for Xiaomi !!!! Xiaomi Powered by the magic man and people listener and former google vice president Hugo Barra!!! Xiaomi is due for a breakout.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MiyagiSan:
Xiaomi makes dead-end devices. Or it has largely done so far. No kernel sources, locked bootloader, no AOSP roms, no alternatives to MIUI.....meh :eek:

It's been promising to release kernel sources it is obligated to release since forever...
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidDeveloperLB:
Can anyone please sum up which devices/companies do have open source for their SOCs ?

I mean except for SnapDragon and Samsung's, of course.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
Note 4 exynos almost as fast as exynos 7420 difference come from 200 mhz frequency difference.And multicore comparison doesnt really say alot apple a8x still faster single core>multicore

Note 4 exynos geekbench btw
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
Note 4 exynos is 64bits like S6?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmac31:
Its same cpu archicture. Arm a57/a53 cores but s6 exynos has 64 bit software. Note 4 exynos is capable of 64 bit but it doesnt have 64 bit software(for now atleast)
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryantx24:
I would get the S6 but the fact that it has Exynos and a locked bootloader and knox make me believe that it will not have the customization and modding that the M9 will receive. I really wish I could get the S6 but those reasons are really driving me away.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djkinetic:
Thinking of picking up the new S6, it really does look nice...only problem is I"m on ATT, and theres about a 99.999 (repeating) chance that it ships with a Locked BL...with that in mind root more than likely will be a ways off as the current root that is available I believe only works for unlocked bl devices...leaving me to have to purchase a 700 or more TMO S6 to use on ATT (more than likely not worth it as I already spent 700 on a N6 a few months ago). Also being as this is a new Exynos SOC and Samsung's history with releasing the necessary bits needed to get an AOSP rom going for the s6 it could be quite a while..perhaps I'll suck it up and use TW for a bit, with xposed it prolly wouldnt be all that bad...but damn AOSP/Stock LP looks so much more elegant than TW heh.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sakis kormakis:
custom rom fro s6 vs stock for s3

i ll be brief.

Recently, I checked out s6 in a store while I had my s3 with me.

S6-stock vs S3-cm(latest as of late March 2015) overclocked to 1.6gh and slightly overclocked graphics and all other settings untouched..

Both being the only ones on the same 4g wifi hotspot.

My s3 really was slower than s6, no doubt!

BUT, when only dolphin browser was running on both, loading well known websites such as cnn. com bbc. co.uk the s3 was so much less lagging s6 that I said, hey.. there is no need to waste my money on it!

I mean come on! its not that it was even 10% faster in some cases.

The camera?

S6 has all these hdr settings and all that new stuff built in, but when I compared at home the pictures, s3 with this default google camera app was giving way more realistic pictures in normal indoor lighting.

The compass/gps?

No, not any significant improvement there either.

The accelerometer/gyroscope?

s6 has the InvenSense MPU-6500 Gyro + Accelerometer

accelerometer.

In principle, they are the same stuff in the range of functionality that an average human needs even during hard exercise.

So, unless cyanogen mod releases something nice and stable for s6, why should anybody buy it?

For a 10% approximate upgrade in performance while browsing?

Who are we kidding here?

What´s the point?

someone can argue that there is a lot more than just opening a tab in dolphin browser.

ofcourse, there is a segment of users who need more and I am in that group of people, but 700 euros?

Serioulsy?

big mistake from samsung.

(too big this time)

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[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
The S2 had Exynos and had plenty of support. I don't care about CM. Would just love a stock bloat free rom!
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matheus_sc:
S4,s5, note 3 and 4*exynos dont have aosp full working
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slicktune:
Please say it ain't so!!! :eek::eek::eek:
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
I wasn't referring to AOSP. I was never interested in AOSP. Why buy a non Nexus if you want a pure Android experience?

I buy for a HTC, Samsung, LG experience etc!
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbns:
Just throwing it out there, but this isn't a *given*. iPhones have retained their resale value more than any other phone, every single year, all the while being more locked down than the S6. If Samsung manages to successfully convince people who might otherwise just get an iPhone that their S6 is worth purchasing and it just works, then the resale value of the S6 could easily be on par or greater than other Android phones, even with the basement tinkerers like us not wanting to buy it.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andriu123:
look there http://www.talkandroid.com/244926-samsung-publishes-kernel-source-code-for-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vbauer86:
Custom roms are so overrated.. Only for enthusiasts imo.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
No, not at all. My LG G2 Mini is the perfect proof for that. So slow on Stock ROM, and the memory leak on that phone with Lollipop is just insane.

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[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alahkel:
whats the purpose on buying a sammy phone to put an aosp rom on it? You lose a lot of sammy features like perfect multiwindows. You want pure stock customizable aosp android, go buy a nexus. You want android m? The s6 will have it for sure.. maybe itll take a little longer but who cares?

I came from nexus series: ns, gnexus, n4 and n5 and got really sick and tired of being always in search of new roms with new custom features. And yes, bugs (minor) do exist on nexus sps too.

You want the latest android? an s6 can last 2 years with all upgrades and top hardware. Buy a new nexus after the s6's 2 years lifespan or another oem phone and you're good to go.

You think that you dont need the latest android firmware after 2 years or aosp roms? keep your out-of-warranty phone as long as you wish until it gets obsolete or it breaks or you get tired of it.

General tw based custom roms are gonna come instead, upgrading and making sammy features better. And we're still waiting for xposed full support...so whats the matter?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Not everybody wants that crapload of unnecessary and even uninstallable features including laggy TouchWiz and the thousanda of extra apps nobody needs anyway.

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[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
The screen and the hardware. In the first year, while it was under warranty, I didn't mod my Note 3, since I've moved to cyanogenmod., and I don't miss a single Touchewiz function. The other day I've installed the latest lollilop Touchwiz rom to update my baseband to loliipop, and out of curiosity. And I had it on only a handful of hours, before I went back to cyanogenmod.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
Makes even less sense on a note imo! Assuming spen still doesn't work on cm?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jonathan-H:
AOSP roms have and always will be buggy messes, and Samsung based ROM's are no better than the Stock ROM.

My other pet hate with people rooting Samsung phones is how readily they'll sell them on, leaving the buyers stuck with no Knox and no warranty, and not giving a damn.

Should be a great big flag on boot and once when the phone has loaded up, saying Knox and Warranty removed, beware, so anyone buying one can send back within 14 days to buy one which hasn't been tampered with.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
Lol...Samsung based roms can have a ton of useful stuff over the stock rom. To say they are no better is kinda not true
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
It does. But I don't use it. Just the 5.7" Amoled screen.

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Name one, that's not only a gimmick...

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There is, it says warranty warning and the reason. But only if knox is triggered, if it was rooted with knox intact then flashing the stock rom turns it into factory clean state.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
Long press to kill....screen recording....double tap sleep....change double tap home function....heads up notification control....colorfade memory leak fix....5 way reboot menu.....long press volume music controls etc etc
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Long press to kill exists on every android phone in the Developer Settings (I believe). And if not, CM is the way to go.

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[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
It does not. And all those are on Samsung based so no need to lose stock functionality either by going aosp
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
You know these are 90% available in cm?
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
Yes and I know they are 100 % available on Samsung based without having to cripple my device by installing aosp based and losing fingerprint and other stuff
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
Then don't cripple your object of worship.

But you could at least let others do as such if they feel Touchwiz is crippling their device.

So far I've used a Galaxy Spica, S, S II, S3 and Note 3, I know the difference between Touchwiz and cyanogenmod.

My next phone will be Note 4, and after a couple of months, to check if it's really okay, cyanogenmod will go there too.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
Object of worship? Just lol...chill out buddy.

I'm not stopping anyone doing anything. But ya may as well do it on a nexus [emoji14]
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
Nah, the nexus doesn't have an SD card slot. But please don't send the TW gestapo after me [emoji14]
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goldie:
Ummm this is the s6 section and neither does that....
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sublimaze:
Speak for yourself. Custom roms are often better than stock because developers remove unnecessary fluff and also allow users to customize the phone in ways that would have been impossible on stock.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
Exactly.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] albysajan:
Hope cm12 gets ported by some talented dev at-least if the official support doesn't come out. People still love the pure stock android as its just a completely different feel.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrcol:
I agree in 2015 AOSP is overhyped.

In the gingerbread days, AOSP was way better than touchwiz, now I actually think its the other way round. AOSP feature bare, bland look, worse performance, more buggy.

But everyone has their own tastes, if someone likes AOSP over touchwiz, thats good for them, I wont criticise them for it.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ambervals6:
Lol are you serious?

Sent from my SM-G920T
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrcol:
Of course I am serious. This isnt the comedy channel.

Note my sig the phones i own, my s5 is way smoother to use than my oneplusone, which does have native aosp support, even with that support its slower than my s5 and drains noticebly faster..
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Isus <3:
Dude I have nexus 5 and s6 and I can say that my nexus has faster UI while app opening speed and other stuff is faster on S6. If we get stock android not only that app opening speed will be faster but ui as well.

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I hope at least we will get unbloated touchwiz roms. Gonna miss stock android :(
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ¿Will-it-Blend?:
My God people, just wait for the next nexus phone, jeez. The S6 is meant to run TW. All the phone's selling points get wasted on AOSP. And the '"I buy the phone with the best hardware", is the stupidest BS I hear all the time on threads like this. You buy the phone that you know you'll be happy with; the phone that you can flash software till your hearts content; you can modify until nobody even knows what the hell you're using anymore. The S6 is meant for people who want a fast phone that works great out of the box without all the tinkering and modding and all that. If that's what you need you bought the wrong phone. Simple as that.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] istperson:
Stupidest BS? I thought the "meant to run TW" phraze was quite near to be called that.

No hardware was meant to run no software in the smartphone world. Only some hardware was closed enough not to allow developers to run their software. So much said on an S6 you could run Windows RT, or Ubuntu 14.04. They're just computer hardware like any other, but closing bootloaders, and making drivers secret they make this not worth reverse engineering.
[Galaxy S6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ¿Will-it-Blend?:
Not if that software severely cripples the device. I just don't understand the reasoning in this thread; if you need a device to run any software you want you get a nexus or another OEM phone that will allow it. The S6 will probably never be that phone.