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[One (M9) General] XperiaNexus333:
[MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] or [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION], do you have a recommended setup on freedcam. I just want to take some good portraits of my kids. I have been messing with the settings for the last two days and can't seem to get a non foggy looking pic. Thank you for your time put into this thread as well. It is much appreciated. I have read all 77 pages and an able to get really good shots with the HTC camera app (both manual and auto). I really want to figure out freedcam though.
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
They all do it to some extent or other. This is the downside of a one size fits all auto luminance denoise. Every time people go on about 'processing' this is what they mean.

Auto denoise can never compete with roll your own. Can you believe this is the same camera :)

You direct how sharp or smooth depending on the scene.

Have seen similar with nexus 5, the difference really is apparent.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
I think starbase better suited for this question, I don't use freedcam yet as I find it a little confusing but after seeing sample must switch to it, so I would love a quick guide as well
[One (M9) General] DjLukeW:
Just some from this evening. The blossom/canal and darker canal scene was normal and the other is HDR mode
[One (M9) General] amarryat:
Are you saying this picture is beautiful because it's sharp?

It looks awful to me because the colors are incorrect. Far too purple. And the top right part of the picture is dark for some reason. Edit - it looks like either side is dark, and the middle is light.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Yeah he's referencing the lack of smudging.

The Whitebalance may be off, but can always be fixed in post.

The main point is the sensor is fully capable of capturing detail and good pictures. HTC just needs to fix it.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Yup I said 1:1 so open the image and check the detail at 100% compare to any distant photo you took with the M9 and you will be instantly sad

Its RAW image you can treat exposure and color any way you like, I just opened it and used the Photoshop auto plus a little of color denoise, the HTC camera has excellent color reproduction so this is not a problem

Our problem is brute excessive smudging by HTC

My recommended settings improves it but it doesn't stop smudging
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Hopefully... HTC releases the 'pro' mode with RAW capabilities.
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
lol damn and here I thought we designed freedcam to be a simple as possible .

In my SIG is a playlist on How To Freedcam.

If I missed something ask and I'll make a screen recording .

Something is a miss with the M9 Metering so when shooting raw enable live histogram and push everything to right with exposure slider /EV to ensure a full saturation.

something like this on scene with no brutal highlights

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/h...e15/11137882_365034297031553_1090512504_n.jpg

digital-photography-school.com/how-to-read-and-use-histograms/
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
my freedcam settings

Settings

API: Camera1

Modes

ISO: ISO100

exposure: frame-average

Quality > all disabled

image settings:

size: 5376x3752

format: bayer-mipi-10grbg

capture: DNG
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Histogram fc's the app for me.. Not sure if it's working for anyone else on m9?
[One (M9) General] Tenchi4U:
Anybody use Camera FV5? Anybody have an issues with the screen (camera input) going blank after you close the app and try to use any app that used the camera (even opening FV-5 again)? I can only seem to get the camera working again after a reboot.

I like FV5's matrix mode best of all the other camera apps I've used on the M9, but its rough using it knowing I have to reboot my phone everytime I use it. I've already written to the developer, no response yet.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I can go straight from fv5 to any camera app and it works. Even tried stopping fv5 and it still worked fine
[One (M9) General] Cabanne:
yes thank you, I receive mine Thursday
[One (M9) General] STANNY08:
I'll reserve judgement till I get mine next week, but the reviews don't sound promising. The ultra pixel camera worked great for what most people use a phone camera for, Facebook, Twitter, instagram etc. It's just a shame that those same people can't see past big numbers on a spec sheet.

I can't help but feel that htc should have stuck with ultra pixel but tried to squeeze a 6 or 8 ultra pixel camera in there.
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/palmsolo/sets/72157651089646798/with/16274675233/
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
can someone with the m9 do a parameters dump https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=troop.com.freedcam

so we can see if raw can be captured even if it not enabled in api2

Swipe Left > Settings > Save CamParameter

Find it in DCIM/FreeDcam
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
Got my M9 today, did some quick comparison shots at my desk in the office. Unfortunately I couldn't venture out because we have a lot of rain here today.

M9

http://i.cubeupload.com/fL0eSa.jpg

http://i.cubeupload.com/txY1gT.jpg

http://i.cubeupload.com/foGxWm.jpg

Note 4

http://i.cubeupload.com/VaEscW.jpg

http://i.cubeupload.com/uk48KH.jpg

http://i.cubeupload.com/nuC0QC.jpg
[One (M9) General] gavinfabl:
Some helpful shots. Out of interest which photos do you prefer? And how do you find the M9 vs Note 4.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqlt7o8d9oqfjs0/HTC One M9_CameraParameters.txt.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
Not so much difference between them in this case and that's good as Note4 is considered to have one of the best cameras.

Keep 'em coming !

Especially some indoors with no much light.

I suppose you got the latest software because with the initial one the photos would not be that good.
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
The Note 4 handles exposure better and can still show detail on the ceiling despite the fluorescent lighting above whereas it seems to 'blind' the M9 a bit. Other than than I see nothing wrong with the M9 shots in well let conditions and think there is more detail when zooming in on the Goomba for example.

I think the lack of OIS hurts though, video recording is shaky like the M8 and it has a hard time focusing in low-light with images that don't look too crash hot. I took this one in the lift in my office which took about 4 or 5 seconds to get a stable focus:

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0003.jpg

Don't have a Note 4 shot to compare it to though, I wasn't carrying it at the time.

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Not sure, but I would assume it whatever software reviewers had but with my carrier's branding, this is the version info I have:

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/Screenshot2015032420.png

I'll take some shots around the house now with dim lighting (it's Tuesday night here) to compare the two phones and post here soon.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Outdated..?
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
I don't think so, '401' refers to my carrier Telstra, it was the same number on the M8 if I recall.

Took some snaps around the house with fairly dim lighting

M9

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0036.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0037.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0038.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0039.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0040.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0041.jpg

Note 4

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/20150324204058.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/20150324204325.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/20150324204510.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/20150324204554.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/20150324204705.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/20150324204804.jpg

The last one was almost pitch black. I noticed the Note 4 did some massive post-processing to enhance the image, I couldn't see any of the detail you can see in the pic.
[One (M9) General] geoff5093:
Reviews on Engadget and the Verge came out and they both said the camera was very inconsistent. Sometimes the M8 camera looked better, other times the M9 did, and the same shots looks horrible.

Sent from my "bigger is smaller" LG G3
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
Those low light pics on the M9 look terrible compared to those on the Note 4 :(

Are you on the updated software version? The one released last Friday that was supposed to fix some of the camera issues?
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
To me they're fine, I used to be more obsessed with camera performance but it's not my priority anymore, with normal usage I would've probably used flash in most of those pics if I wanted a clear focused image.

With the low light shots, I don't agree with people who claim it can't be improved with an update. The image I see in the viewfinder on the Note 4 is never as good as the processed version afterwards, Samsung use some good algorithms to improve low light shots. I don't think the M9 will be as good by any means as the lack of OIS does the most harm but I think we'll see improvements while HTC gets a better handle on this new sensor.

Also I would assume I'm on the final release software, I don't have a review unit, it's a retail phone sold everywhere in Australia as of today.
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Thanks bro!

But geez this M9 camera is a mess in low light, even an old SE phone can do better!

Can you take outdoor photos please?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
20MP day off lunch

1 HDR

2 AUTO

3 NO FLASH
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
looks like m9 should have no problem shooting raw

try this

Swipe Left > Picture Settings > picture format then try set each Bayer format on the list till you find one that actually captures on the m8 it was bayer-qcom-10gbrg that worked.

if you find the working profile take two additional shots to verify that both files are the same size on m8 lolipop HTC started attaching some random data at the end of the byte stream which made size vary but by default raw size should be constant.

if size varies it should be no issue just have to hardcode the values

lastly could you send a sample .raw file found in DCIM/*.raw.

Theoretically you can also try the last option in picture settings after you have found working profile, the last option should be a switch tap it once to switch to dng capture .

as for manual controls seems same as m8 manual white balance , focus and shutter speed
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
At last a camera comparison between M9 and Note4 http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-One-M9-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id3963/page/3

In daylight the Note 4 is significantly better, the M9 will smudge

In low light even resized to 640x480 the M9 is very blurry and smudgy, the Note 4 is millions years ahead.

Conclusion: unless you want to use your photos only from daylight situations and only resized to Facebook and other social medias (of course no crop at all) . you should consider the Note 4 as a very good choice of camera phone in every situations.
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
While in normal light M9 was very compared to the Note (even better) in [MENTION=4715240]tryfound[/MENTION] pictures, the low-light pictures are very bad.

Not that the Note pictures are any good, but they are surely better. And surely not an old SE could get better pictures.

Maybe you should try the front camera for these situations.

:p
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
marketing team ? how about somebody that understands how light works. Good exposures. This is basically a demo of the best the camera can do. Which ought to be the case with every review. What the best the camera can do instead of how piss poor the reviewer is at taking photos, who then passes judgement on devices they do not understand how to operate.

In the real world these people would get canned for incompetence, some how it does not happen with mobile reviews of cameras.

the one has the most comprehensive manual options on android for fixed focus cameras. a review that does not make use of them isn't doing the device justice.

in fact i would tweak settings a bit more, all i saw was some exp comp here and there. But and this is the big point with pretty much any phone camera the majority of shots were taken with low ISO. That means take the shot when the light is good. if the light isn't good then either delay shutter or don't take it. Always try to get the lowest ISO that light or your skills will permit.

Basically extend shutter so as to keep ISO low will always produce a better shot with any camera. people are whining there is no OIS. learn camera holds or lean the device or yourself on something.

iphone 6+ consistently takes shots with shutter of 1/4 and very low ISO indoors. This is why people like it. But you can do the same with this device or any other that allows to control shutter. You can pull off 1/4 and even 1/2 handholds with skill.

it should come, will be better still.

From what i've seen when people do not rely on auto or aren't lost without auto then there is no problem with the M9's camera or even the M8 for that matter.. What people are complaining about is auto boosts ISO up much more resulting in softer images than devices that can take the shot with a lower ISO. Camera reviews made solely using auto are worthless.
[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
Night picture with new update. Not bad
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
Check out the bee, stock camera app, contrast +1, saturation +.5, sharpness 0

Flickr...

https://flic.kr/p/sfaJxr
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
From this morning
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
This sucks. Very bad approach.
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
What do you mean?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
awesome thanks, what's Expo lock?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

depending on the situation
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i meant what does it do
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
It's ae lock if you meter a scene then tap on expo lock it locks it to that exposure i suppose its usefull if you gonna do panoramas
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i noticed we can switch to API 2 but its barely working right?

btw i agree with starbase, the quality settings should all be turned off, including that horrid denoise (which i guess is HTC's code) also the default resolution is absurdly low for some reason

sadly i found a bug! denoise doesnt stick after leaving the app, so if we come back to it, you see denoise selected but its actually not working so we need to reswitch to it in order to get the result

one more thing, if i have a menu opened how do i close it! if i press back button it exits the app

last question, if we disable denoise, can't you introduce your own color only denoise into this app like the one we see in Photoshop?
[One (M9) General] Corduroy-21:
I mean leaving the RAW because they say it's a "niche use".

I'd like native RAW support and not some 3rd party app.
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
Totally agree
[One (M9) General] dratsablive:
Steak Salad McGrath's Pub
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Swipe right to open, swipe left to close :p Same goes for the menu on the top

Swipe down to open, Swipe up to close
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
haha sorry for total noobness

anyway i was trying to manual denoise the pure M9 RAW image in low light, pretty hard to be honest due to the low precision so i can see where they are coming from but they should go with a dual layer approach like sony/samsung, i can not get a perfect result but certainly much better than the brute blind approach by HTC

BUT

if we use photoshop's Camera RAW 7.0 importer then you can denoise it beautifully
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
one more feedback! and very important one as well, with Freedcam EIS logic seems disabled and i am getting a lot less motion blurred images, when you go back to the HTC camera app you notice the difference

i really hope we get full API 2.0 as the M9 would shine with an app like "manual camera" as well
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
gotcha sent word on denoise bug will squash asap.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
Taken with FreeDCam

not denoised

IMG_2015.04.24_07.30.05 by flexbox360, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] dratsablive:
Osteopathic Hospital
[One (M9) General] Stephen:
Moderator Information,

Thread cleaned. Please keep posts on topic.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
sweet is it possible to add custom denoise to freedcam?
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
theoretically yes after jpeg capture we could denoise it there but that will require some denoise algorithm I will look Into that then get back to you.

As for The Default wavelet denoise there was a way to make it only remove color noise hopefully HTC did not disable it
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Okay here how to change denoise modes

add this to build.prop

persist.denoise.process.plates=x

where x is replace with either 0 1 2 3

Y = Luminance Channel

CBCR = Color Channels

0 = CAM_WAVELET_DENOISE_YCBCR_PLANE | Quality Priority Color & Luma

1 = CAM_WAVELET_DENOISE_CBCR_ONLY | Quality Priority Color only

2 = CAM_WAVELET_DENOISE_STREAMLINE_YCBCR | Speed Priority Luna & Color. This is the default profile used BTW

3 = CAM_WAVELET_DENOISE_STREAMLINE_CBCR | Speed Priority Color only.

Source Line 4288

https://android.googlesource.com/pl...5cb642da3123802/QCamera2/HAL3/QCamera3HWI.cpp

This Should apply to all camera apps.

Also here is camera profile with a linear curve might work better for you https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvqn34xfta14qf3/NX503_LIN_Curve.dcp?dl=0

Force EIS OFF

1= enable 0 = disable

camera.eis.enable=0

Force 2x1 JPEG Subsampling default is 2x2

0 to return to default

persist.camera.snap.format=1

more on subsampling

www.impulseadventure.com/photo/chroma-subsampling.html
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Awesome, can these become options in freedcam? :)

Also the profile, you mean to use when opening a dng in Photoshop?
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
it's doable but would require root in order to change build.prop or set the property so its better to do it manually.

yeah the profile is for Photoshop.

after applying the profile check the histogram position if there's wide gaps on the right that means you can crank up the exposure to get it as close as you can to the edge.

this was you don't have to do insane amount of denoising I find that it gives the cleanest shadows the preview will look wrong like things are blown but raw will be good trial and error now I can overexpose without clipping highlights.
[One (M9) General] roryh86:
My Moto 360

Night shot under bedside lamp. No post shot editing.

Macro,AutoFocus,10:7,Large

100% Crop
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Try sharpness at -1 or -1.5 instead of 0

01.11.2009 by roryh86, on Flickr

Nice one :)

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I'd like to see your efforts with raw vs stock in low light. When i tried to denoise a nexus 6 image i had a hard time beating stock.

So the raw edge is much more pronounced in good light than in low light.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
here is my comparison with htc stock camera ~28MB full resolution

[IMG="test"]http://www11.pic-upload.de/25.04.15/3v9at4yo1e5.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Which one did you go with? Color noise only priority speed?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
0 = CAM_WAVELET_DENOISE_YCBCR_PLANE | Quality Priority Color & Luma
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
comparison between 0 and 1 ~29MB full resolution

[IMG="test"]http://www11.pic-upload.de/25.04.15/v6quwfgs9qk5.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
comparison between htc camera and freedcam.

build.prop settings:

persist.denoise.process.plates=0

camera.eis.enable=1

persist.camera.snap.format=1

[IMG="test"]http://www11.pic-upload.de/25.04.15/oyk9jc6x4x9i.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
Just got back took some decent photos, concert lighting is hard

Flickr....

https://flic.kr/s/aHskaxsXfV
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
mate, i am interested in this:

1 = CAM_WAVELET_DENOISE_CBCR_ONLY | Quality Priority Color only

especially in daylight scene, it should provide a similar result to the one i showed (where i color denoise your landscape RAW)

here are starbase new tests for those who struggling to open them: (they keep failing to download maybe its better to upload them as a zip file, i still cant download them)
[One (M9) General] p50kombi:
Nightwish???

**********

Sent from a tin of baked beans using some chewing gum, tinfoil, a piece of string and a manual written by MacGyver
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
here is a comparison for this, but 0 is much better. white balance and exposure correction only without denoise.

app: freedcam dng

full resolution on dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fjvjleyd89cnwd6/AAC5HawaZ2FRZYWXdVE0zd_Ba?dl=0

[IMG="test"]http://www11.pic-upload.de/25.04.15/cux7lpcfsbc6.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] roryh86:
Actually in Macro Mode you can't change the settings in Image Adjustments, they are greyed out. My automatic mode is always on -1.5 sharpness, so whether it uses these settings or not during Macro Mode I don't know, but definitely not selectable.

And thanks, the N86 was an awesome device :D What a shame to see where Nokia ended up.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Holy! The difference is amazing, but I only saw the 0 image, I see some motion blur, you just gave me a lot of work in the weekend!
[One (M9) General] itzsnookums:
Yep it is, they were awesome
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
It's just a shame we can't gave these controls in Freedcam without root
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

Freedcam HDR

full resolution: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mjlz052vmjavrbp/Freedcam_HDR.jpg?dl=1

[IMG="hdr"]http://www11.pic-upload.de/25.04.15/2hngk12ztsmg.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Incredible, gentlemen I think we have solved the M9 camera woes [emoji1]

Which settings?
[One (M9) General] flex360:
FreeDCam

Denoised with photoshop

IMG_2015.04.25_16.00.27 by flexbox360, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
image is underexposed, I dunno if you applied the last profile I posted it looks like you are using it .

if that's the case the base curve is linear on last profile meaning it has no gamma correction applied so it will make image look duller than previous profile but I find it better to work with raw in its purest possible form.

also in lens correction tab choose Fuji then x100 it will remove vignetting it works better than doing it manually.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
I didn't use the profile you posted actually. Just taking random pics with freedcam as I walk around my neighborhood. The only thing I did in Photoshop was denoise and changed the temperature

I'm liking freedcam so far. HTC needs to fix their camera software big time.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
mate what was the point of this test though? the persist plates will not work if you opted for denoise off in Freedcam ;)
[One (M9) General] XperiaNexus333:
I mean......just wow!!! All that from changing the build.prop and using Freedcam! So you are disabling image stabilization, correct [MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION]?
[One (M9) General] roryh86:
I hope HTC is reading this thread and fixing their camera app.. It's obvious that the M9 has a great sensor with a huge potential.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
i've disabled all option in Freedcam > quality

M9 has no image stabilization

i hope so
[One (M9) General] c5satellite2:
If enough people tweet Mo Versi and Jason Mackenzie suggesting this, I'm sure it will get the attention required.

Reach out to them, they are very helpful and listen to feedback/suggestions.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
really working? needs testing
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
That's my point mate, there no point testing different denoise modes with denoise disabled in Freedman ;)

To test them in Freedman you need to enable denoise
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

another camparison with persist.camera.snap.format

app: htc stock camera

full resolution

pic 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlr6rpnmw73hvim/persist.camera.snap.format1.jpg?dl=1

pic 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkrs4ezel5j9l4r/persist.camera.snap.format2.jpg?dl=1

[IMG="test"]http://www11.pic-upload.de/26.04.15/cws74g8yob.jpg[/IMG]