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[One (M9) General] flex360:
still quite noisy to me

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so i took 2 of the photos you posted

zoomed them to the same size

look at the difference, this is where the M9 suffers, when you zoom

im very disappointed with the camera

http://imgur.com/Eo17wgo
[One (M9) General] h1o:
disappointed picture m9.

is better ultrapixel m8 ;)
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
look at these people! in total darkness, is this even the same camera ;)

stupid stupid HTC....
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
File manager sucks for such type of operation..

Had to pick this:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anthonymandra.rawdroidpro
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=291702]jauhien[/MENTION]

HTC Album works fine with RAW...

edit: sorry, htc album shows only jpg´s
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Elspe_04.05.2015_12-44 by starbase64, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
HTC One M9 - Distance Image Quality tests - Large 20MP

RAW

Auto Mode

these tests simply demonstrate the bad state of denoise algorithm on the M9, more over it also shows the default sharpness code doing further damage

in my opinion, -2 or a maximum of Sharpness -1.5 should be used, anything higher and the code will start to destroy the image (on top of the destruction caused by denoise)

to further reinforce this conclusion, i have applied a sharpness +1 on top of the original sharpness -2 image using HTC gallery photo editor, the editor will automatically downsample the image to 11MP and so i've matched the results

as you can see above, even a basic Photoshop style sharpness filter (as included in HTC's own photo gallery) will greatly extract detail from the image without the severe damage caused by the real-time sharpness code, sadly it also means re-saving a compressed JPG twice, the JPG compression quality on the M9 is not great and reprocessing the image using HTC's photo editor will compress it even further

again i strongly recommend to keep sharpness at -1.5, the photo might look less sharp or soft when it's fit to screen but better image quality is preserved

we still need HTC to deal with that denoise and sharpness code from their end, in a future firmware update hopefully

Finally two full quality samples of DNGs processed in Photoshop Express versus Photoshop CS6, note that each photo was taken at a different time with a different focus point, like many people have remarked its really like a different camera

Evening, Auto focus, Photoshop Express

Morning, Focus on the city in the background, Photoshop CS6
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
RAW vs JPG

HTC RAW Camera by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr

Auto Mode by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] reubenskelly1992:
Sold my s6 and im getting an m9 in next couple days. These photos looks grest to me
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
tell me why you sold it? :)
[One (M9) General] reubenskelly1992:
Everything but the camera
[One (M9) General] joelxda:
It definitely seems like HTC's software processing is a big part of the problem and could probably be improved on a great deal. Would you be able to do a similar RAW vs Jpeg comparison in different lighting conditions? Particularly low light
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
here is an example in pretty bad light:

Auto

RAW
[One (M9) General] joelxda:
Thanks. Wow, just zooming in on both and looking at the letters under the wooden board/tray shows just how much detail is being lost.

I also just found an AnandTech article on this issue (sorry if it's been posted before) - http://www.anandtech.com/show/9211/a-quick-look-at-one-m9-raw-photos
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
great find thank you! some quotes:
[One (M9) General] DjLukeW:
RAW through Lightroom

HTC One M9 Raw by lukew85, on Flickr

Auto JPG

HTC One M9 Auto JPG by lukew85, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] clemHTC:
My contribution, DNG files modified with photoshop express

This image is little to much modified

Here the full size image :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ekw50hhnhckglj/PSX_20150504_193242.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rnx6oamtebdfdgs/PSX_20150502_203433.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y90ieo09o9w02cq/PSX_20150504_175744.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d329tafv0scz78y/PSX_20150504_181812.jpg?dl=0
[One (M9) General] justinwong588:
it seems the edges of raw photos come out with blue colour tone while the centre of the image is normal
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
That's lens vignette you need to correct that while processing
[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
I wanted to see if camera auto would get the details of the brick,or if it would smudge it to look like cardboard. It didnt do bad at all. I also took a close up of a liliac flower,no macro.

Now look at dng file,its all smudged. No detail at all. Why ?
[One (M9) General] justinwong588:
Can you talk a bit more please? I would like to know as I will buy M9 soon

For me right now, I just get 1 method, which is using photoshop, select the centre by marquee tool and then change the hue of the edges

is there a faster and more convenient way? Thanks a lot:D:D
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
its because HTC did basic profiling on the DNG so there's no lens correction but you can fix it in the lens correction tab manually.

The Fuji X100 lens profile works well also so just use that if not feel up to task on doing it manually like me lol.
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Already posted a nexus 5 comparison from fv-5. jpg vs processed raw

I would say the benefits of raw are quite apparent.

heh, you can boost exposure of a jpg in post by 1.5 stops. This can make a difference.

ooh he got a tripod but looking at the shutter times its clear he did not really try to push the m9 too far.

Just see the ISO's of the night images of m9 with ISO 1500+ 1/9 vs iP6+ with ISO 250 and 1/4 (!)

yes jpg at 250 is going to do better than ISO 1500 even if it came out of raw (!)

Without being aware of this little ISO thingy, one might think the ip6+ just blew away all the competition :laugh:

I thought he said he had a tripod so why is he going on about OIS. he could have used a slower shutter with a lower ISO on the m9 and got a better shot even with jpg.

Also these night shots with the bright street lamps are not very good for slower shutters as they will flare up, if those lights weren't there a slower shutter with boosting shadow detail would have given the raw shooter the clear edge.

That is the difference between reviewer shots and owner shots :cowboy:
[One (M9) General] troopii:
made a optimized dcp profile. images are a bit darker and have more details with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeirxby8r016o17/m9.zip?dl=0

hf
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
for Photoshop, copy the *.dcp file to

%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
no you can correct it using the DNG processor in photoshop, it has a manual vigniette control or you can use profiles

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yes but its not fixing the vigniette

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when i attacked this guy for his M9 review everyone accused me of being a fanboy

alas the old Anandtech is gone
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
You have done something to the jpeg in PS ? why

the details are better in the RAW but the exposure is better with the jpeg. it has a nice histogram. The histogram of the RAW otoh is all smushed. That means the noise in the image was more relatively speaking than colours in the entire image.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
yes pure as it was taken, i already said this image was processed better in JPG, the histogram for RAW must be smushed because of my heavy processing

here was the original post:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60473602&postcount=953

Anandtech also noted some advantage to JPthan RAW in low light especially color extraction
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
HTC One M9 - Distance Image Quality tests - Medium 16MP

This will be my last test on the current 1.32.401.17 software, as the upcoming OTA is expected to bring some low level changes to denoise and sunlight color correction

following my previous HTC One M9 - Distance Image Quality tests - Large 20MP, this test is trying to determine what's the optimal sharpness settings when using the Medium settings (16MP in case of 10:7 aspect)

Medium adds some downsampling to the M9 image after processing, so in general the medium images are cleaner at 1:1 than full ones at the Large setting as we benefit from the redundancy in the M9 image sensor pixels

but default sharpness is still too extreme and damages the remaining detail after denoise

these were taken in ideal daylight and minimal motion blur with auto focus

the above are cropped at the center of the photo, we immediately notice few things, detail in tree vegetation is better preserved with sharpness disabled at -2, equally it looks the cleanest but it's too soft

but we also notice that the sharpness algorithm is nowhere near as harsh as it looks on the Large resolution, downsampling is clearly cleaning halos and artifacts created by digital sharpening

for medium settings sharpness -1.5 and -1 are good, anything higher we will notice damage in finer detail like trees and increased artifacts in the sky

let's look again at a different area of the image, to the right away from the focus point

it's pretty clear that sharpness -1.5 is sufficient to have a clean sharpening to the soft -2 image, -1 brings out a little more detail but we can already see some increase in sky noise

anything higher like -0.5 or the default 0 and it starts to bring out halos, destroying finer detail and making the image a little unnatural, it also increases the damage to the sky

recommendation: for Large resolution don't go higher than sharpness -1.5, but for medium you can go with -1.5 or -1 depending on your taste

what's more revealing is that the JPG compression on the Large image is actually higher than the Medium image, my previous test had the Large image at 3.36MB to 3.92MB but for my medium test it ranged from 4.19MB up to 5.39MB, granted my previous test had a bigger sky area which might be a cause for the small file size but we also have to keep in mind that medium is 16MP vs 20MP, the medium is definitely receiving less compression

in short if you don't need the extra pixels, Medium resolution with 10:7 aspect (16MP) or 16:9 (12MP) is recommended for a more pleasant point and shoot auto JPG image out from the M9 camera (sw: 1.32.401.17)

and here is the full image untouched based on my own recommendation, i went with sharpness -1.5 for a cleaner sky and more preserved detail in flora, contrast/color +0.5
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
RAW processed in PS, almost half of the image was cropped ;)
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Can you put up the orginal dng some place i would like to take a shot at it in raw therapee.

the raw histogram has just one thin spike in the left, that means there are a lot of dark pixels of a similar shade in there smothering the rest. That's all it means.

This is where you have to make a tradeoff, details over exposure.

jpeg is 8 bits, raw we are told is using 10 bits. So there are 1024 shades to play with over 256. therefore colour extraction with raw must beat jpeg.
[One (M9) General] ALOMAJEMO:
The M9 camera has just reborn!

I didn't know anything about RAW and post processing photo! I just played with the file in Lightroom...

Attach the original and Raw as I figure out to correct it

For me is pretty nice! :D:good:
[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
Anyone ?
[One (M9) General] hudsoncouto:
Well that's a good example of RAW is useful to recover blown-out highlights. You just overdid the saturation a bit IMO, and you might want to try to correct the vignetting effect of the lens, but it's a good first try. Keep at it! :)
[One (M9) General] killeeeeer:
few pictures i took when i went barbequing with my friends, Raw, processed with Lightroom .
[One (M9) General] augie7107:
Reds/Pirates
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
So with the current 1.32.401.17 base, i have decided to settle with the following, it provides me a point and shoot at hand for auto mode and I switch to RAW when I need better quality or zoom

For normal HTC camera, auto mode:

- Resolution: Medium

- Aspect: 10:7

- Sharpness: -1.5

- Contrast: +0.5

- Color: 0

- ISO capped at 400

For RAW camera:

- Resolution: Large

- Aspect: 10:7

- ISO at 100, everything else on Auto

for RAW processing here are my most used Photoshop Express values:

- Clarity: 25

- Sharpness: 20

- Denoise: 35

- Defog: 50

- Shadows: 25 or 50 depending on scene

- Vibrance: 25

New photos, this scene of an old deserted Lebanese house, backlit by sunset, i tried to achieve an HDR feel with PSX

RAW mode, Large, PSX, Shadows 100

RAW mode, Large, PSX, Shadows 50

HDR mode, Medium

oh and this video for some of the cry babies out there ;)

[YOUTUBE]Uxo_GTPBDOA[/YOUTUBE]

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[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
To me this is more a demonstration of what time of day shot was taken and the direction of the sun in relation to the subject matters more than between PSE or CS6.

The first one takes advantage of shadows to accent details (see texture on roof tiles on the left side) with stronger contrast. Just look at the trees and buildings compared to the morning shot where details are more fuzzy and less defined.

landscape shots like these are all about time of day and where the sun is if you want to accent details and which ones.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i did note the time difference between the two, just one sample that i did on my PC and another on the Phone, i don't like to repost the same image more than few times on my flicker, basically you can get the exact same results from PSX or PS CS6, except the extra controls like vignette/len correction etc PSX is much faster though!

it must be my processing, i think i exaggerated the Denoise in one of them, you really have to be careful in PSX not to cross denoise 50 or sharpness 35 (as max)

btw in one of them i had used auto focus, in the other i applied focus to the city in the background (our Beirut) which made the big building to the right out of focus

yesterday you have asked me to provide the DNG for the low light food sample, here it is:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/325grqf3qkycwax/M9-DNG-lowlightSample.rar?dl=0
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
no need to post.

No its not, its the light. jpeg or raw, psx or cs6, the details will be more acentuated on the buildings just because the shadows enhance the texture.

watch this video and see what he says about the ropes. He talks about backlit but there is a similar effect going on in the evening shot.

no problems with focus. Nothing in those two shots closer than 2 m. So focus is at infinity either way :)

thanks
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
not really, it's an issue i noticed even with the M8 your manual focus point seems to blur away the opposite side as you move away from the center

download both photos in full if you havent already and compare the building to the right, in all my other redundant shots the situation is the same, its not really infinity

as for detail, i understood your point about the light direction
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Six photos in the attached archive - it's difficult to picture flowers as they continuously slightly swing..

P.S. Kindly point my other mistakes :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fddoxdoxwhqzu7/Photoshop Express.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] Adam182:
Just a heads up guys, I logged into Adobe Photoshop Express with my adobe account today and got all the premium paid for features unlocked for free. It's an awesome app for quickly editing RAW images :) - Adam
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
PocketNow: How does RAW support improve the HTC One M9’s camera

idiots...

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[One (M9) General] troopii:
Dont miss understood me. But all reviews are crap. No review shows pics under calibrated light and with a imagechecker. Its enough to move the lens a bit to get a different light wich produces more or less noise. But the reviews are funny to read...
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
will this app work on the m9 and if so how well ? an implementation of dcraw for mobile :)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.huefirst.dcrawmobile

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The comments were 10x worse.

skills in post processing is a factor as you develop your own images now. if skills are there, then creative choices and decisions influence how a picture looks.

The date on the resulting jpg shows when it was processed rather than when it was taken.

taking pictures in raw means the accompanying jpg is default everything. no more sharpness, contrast or saturation tweaks possible. Unless of course you take another jpg only.

Still playing with your image, got it to look better as in better histogram now trying to get more details out without adding further noise.

unless you want to say otherwise, processing on a pc means much more control than on a mobile. Bigger screen, more cpu power to try out fancy algorithms, whats not to like.
[One (M9) General] Rage1ofakind:
Just checked. It doesn't see any of my Raw photos. Accept for the Freedcam one.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
It works for me, can see both HTC and FreeDcam raw photos
[One (M9) General] barabico:
Guys, I just got the phone today and i'm pretty much amazed from everything. I really, really like it. I made an update from note 2, but I've been loving the one series since X.

The thing is that I'm quite new to raw photos and their editing. Can someone post some quick tips, please ? Most of your photos look really good
[One (M9) General] spikeydoo2006:
Try some of the settings from [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] 's post.

Found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=60560414
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
My final setup is here actually ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=60560414
[One (M9) General] barabico:
I will try it later today. Meanwhile here is my first attempt
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
broken link
[One (M9) General] barabico:
I Am Not able to Post links. Amy idea how and where to Post ?
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Seeing them is the first step to process them. How well can it process them ?

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only after your post count crosses ten.

i seem to recall being able to use the url link in the message box where the buttons are. when i started here. But pasting a link verbatim will not work.

so you can post the link in text with one letter missing. say ttp:// instead or http://

or using the word dot instead of . in an address.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
can we post results from this app over here please? (anyone who owns the app)
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

i've bought snap camera, but raw + photoshop express is much better.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i figured this much, people like you and me will always favour RAW + PSX but i was hoping it solves the issues for people looking for an easier auto mode

anyway, its so fun and easy to use PSX (except the boring file manager part) besides for a beastly SoC with A57 cores, its good to put them in to good use for once ;)
[One (M9) General] barabico:
So doing as suggested here is the link: add h in front.

ttps://flic.kr/p/sxb2Zc
[One (M9) General] Shanki2k8:
Overexposed RAW images

Hi everyone, whenever I try taking an image in raw mode, the images turn out to be too overexposed. Any idea why it happens?? I've also attached a jpeg of the overexposed raw. Is it normal?
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Looks like you may have set your exposure a little high by accident, either put it on auto or adjust the exposure.
[One (M9) General] Shanki2k8:
Hi, I noticed that changing the crop to Regular (10:7) in RAW mode is causing me this overexposure problem. Anyone else have this problem?
[One (M9) General] coronangel:
Yeah I'm having this problem as well. Also i don't have any manual controls in RAW mode like I've seen in peoples screenshots. My guess it's a bug that only affects certain phones. I've tried uninstalling and re-installing and no dice.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Nope
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Maybe in that case htc is using a redundant sensor, did you make sure its the same toshiba
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Raw Vignette FIX

http://lavidaleica.com/content/using-cornerfix-correct-images
[One (M9) General] blitz911:
I'm having this issue as well. I'm on T-Mobile US M9
[One (M9) General] StilsonCanyon:
Well, here is a jpeg created from a RAW capture using hamdir's camera settings and Photoshop Express adjustments. I took the picture on a bike ride today and noticed that the lens had a slight "fog" on the outside. Lacking a clean cloth I left it as is.

What do you guys think? I'm pretty happy with the result of the RAW captures, I just wish that PSX had a "macro" or template that would allow me to perform all steps in one fell swoop.

Edit to add: I should mention that it was quite breezy, with winds at my back around 15 to 20 mph.

[IMG="RAW => jpeg with PSX"]https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/stilsoncanyon/photos/PSX_20150508_152824%5B1%5D.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] coronangel:
How would i check the sensor?

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T-Mobile here as well
[One (M9) General] Shanki2k8:
Yes, even I'm on HTC One M9 T-Mobile Version. Damn you HTC :@:(
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
PSX_20150508_203140 by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr

PSX_20150507_193338 by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr

Make some more :)

Following the instructions in this

post

. I can think you can post with url tags yourself straight away.
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Yes I demand HTC camera taking decent photos in night darkness and without flash.. :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1qz3rtlhfim3fv/Photoshop Express3.zip?dl=0
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=291702]jauhien[/MENTION]

change the zero on the link to 1, then download starts without open db page > https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1qz3rtlhfim3fv/Photoshop Express3.zip?dl=1

edit: can i post these pics on other forums? please.
[One (M9) General] peca_slo:
Bokeh

Hello mates :)

I have 1 question, I was trying to take Bokeh picture, I was less then 3ft away from my subject of picturing it and the phone didnt recognize it, I had to go really close to the subject that phone recognize it and make the picture with blury background. Is there any trick to get object recognize on about 2ft or a little bit less then 3ft, or is there any mode to take this kind of pictures like on kitkat that you choose an option to enlarge or minimaze the center of bright part of the picture, this I remmember from my M7 it was wery good thing for me?
[One (M9) General] reubenskelly1992:
Just got my m9. What are you guys doing to get good pictures. My camera looks rubbish and blurry all the time. I've also noticed the lenses gets dirty or smudgy really easily making it worse lol
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
here is everything you needs, newest is on top (if you want to save yourself the hastle of all the analysis you can simply rely on my recommendations in the first link) maybe the OP can add them as a subsection in the header or something....

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60560414&postcount=25

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60543921&postcount=24

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60523547&postcount=21

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60467285&postcount=18

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59922004&postcount=23439

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59821615&postcount=23116

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59870261&postcount=329

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60004827&postcount=503

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59913614&postcount=386

[YOUTUBE]Uxo_GTPBDOA[/YOUTUBE]

final results on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/56930129@N03/sets/72157651646612476/

sorted RAW:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/56930129@N03/sets/72157652000227849/
[One (M9) General] barabico:
PSX_20150509_172952 by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr

PSX_20150509_172657 by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr