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[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
21 days after you made your payment the funds are normally released by paypal and the seller can do what he wants with the money, unless you file a dispute with paypal, then the funds, although they are in the sellers paypal account are put on hold, and the seller cannot access them until the dispute is ended, you can end the dispute at any time if you are happy with the sale, the seller can end the dispute at any time by issuing a refund. I ordered one of these phones from this seller and was suspicious of the website, so I opened a dispute and the seller issued a refund straight away, despite the fact that the seller said he had posted the phone and issued a tracking number, he had until 19th march to respond to the dispute but chose to refund instead, draw your own conclusions

Also the agent at paypal told me that if I didnt file a dispute and the sale later was found to be fraudulent I would still get my money back from paypal, although I wasnt told how long that would take, nor what evidence I would have to produce.

Edit... I have since found out that paypal only put a 21 day hold on your funds if you are dealing with a new seller, or if the seller has problems/disputes, otherwise the funds could go directly to the seller, unless you open a dispute.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
if you look again at the photo's of the device you will see that these are inside the back cover not behind the battery,i also explained this in my review,and yes i applied for a trial version which i paid for,if my reviews are good i will get my money returned to me,have also made enquiries for opening their eu warehouse as they are looking for a base here in europe...does that sound like scammers to you...i think not
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Venael:
[MENTION=5262551]oscarblue48[/MENTION]

Seems like filing a dispute is reasonable way of protecting our interests. Would you mind telling us what reason of dispute you chose and what did you write to make your statement understandable as disputing to make money freeze for more than 21 days?

I tried myself this few minutes ago but not sure what to write not to be understanded as a panicking one by PayPal service.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
thank you for your comment on my review

also everybody is entitled to their opinion and i fully agree with you that it is better to err on the side of caution...there are a lot of scammers out there i am glad that you are warning people let's just hope that they all are using paypal to purchase their devices as this is a 'safe' way of doing buisness on the internet

i myself paid with paypal and it all went very smoothly

i read over in s7ylers thread that some people had problems and were offered the chance to pay with western union...never ever pay with western union as there is no option to get your money returned to you if you do get scammed

i suppose only time will tell if this shop is legitimate or not...but me personally...i received a working fully functional Jiayu S3S which has passed the MTK droid tools test...i cannot speak for other people,but i sincerely hope that everybody gets their correct device in good time and for the same price i paid for it
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
i am sure i have already received an email from Club1941.Com advising me of returning my payment for the review...so my payment is the device for taking the time to help their sales by making the above review
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
I used the grounds that the item had not been received (even though it had only been ordered a matter of hours) and in the message box I just wrote, I do not believe the sellers website to be genuine. and then I think you are given a date that the seller has to respond by, in my case 19 march, i believe if you need to extend the dispute beyond that date, you have to escalate the dispute before that date is reached, I'm not entirely sure about that as I didnt get that far, as I got my refund right away.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
i cannot speak for the seller on their reasons for why they instantly refunded you your money,but you are correct in that paypal WILL refund your money if you do not receive the device or if it appears to be fake,the evidence would be the paypal payment that you made,tracking number given to you by the seller,and also any email interaction between the two of you so my advice would be to contact the seller and strike up a conversation talking about the device and delivery method,and payment,also a screen shot of your account details with the item in question from the seller would also be good

these will all contribute to you receiving your payment back from paypal...hope this helps.....:cool:

edit: forgot to mention connect the device to mtk droid tools either record this from receipt of the item at your door till the spec info pops up on droid tools or just take a screen shot
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
Congratulations mrsim, you have done well, if you google 'club1941.com review' you come top of the pile, you know why? because you are the only person who has ever received anything from that site, They must have thousands of orders by now, but they're still sending them out, must have massive stocks I guess, odd how some of the other suppliers seem to be having difficulty obtaining this device, must be their massive buying power, as a worldwide Wholesale/retail outlet, with years of growth behind them(from their 'about us ' page) just google the name and you'll get some idea of their history, except it only goes back to January of this year, never mind, check out the glowing reviews for the 600 odd items for sale on the site, strange the only items with reviews are the Jiayu S3 2 and 3gb versions, oh and they dont seem to be proper reviews either, never mind I'm sure it'll be ok, at least you can claim your money back from paypal.

there's none so blind as those who will not see
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Madsomebody:
Congratulations oscarblue48. You got your money back. what was the dispute you had again please ? What would Paypal do if they did'nt have people like you ?

Surely this seller has done nothing wrong yet so why not give him a chance ? Its not thousands of phones anyway judging by his order numbers its more like 30-40 per day. Also his address is Shenzen so maybe his brother or wife works in Jiayu or there could be thousands of reasons why he has access to phones. fact is the S3advanced has been released and reason most of Aliexpress sellers havent got them yet is they are not yet back to work after New Year.

BTW thanks Mrsim for another great review for what is obviously a great phone.

Oh the only connection to Club1949 I have is I got a tracking no for my purchase S3 advanced from both Paypal and club1949 so no dispute until I have something to dispute about.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] thewell:
Geting a bit feisty in here...is there some 'history' that I am not aware of as a newcomer? At the very least this can be a thread about club1941.com so the main thread can be left to the actual phone.

Yes it seems silly cheap, but there is still that PayPal safety net, which you don't have at dhgate etc. It reminds me of a site called mionbuy.com -cheaper than all the others I could see BUT no PayPal which is why I didn't buy from there. I still cannot see why they would offer PayPal knowing that if everyone complains(which they will in the event of a scam) they won't see any money. Unless they have found a way to defraud people via PayPal-does anyone know if this can be done ?

So who is sticking with it and who is baling?

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And more to the point, instead of pointing out a site is too cheap , why not scrutinise somewhere like efox which effectively rips people off by simply erasing $, then printing €, and THEN they have the barefaced cheek to charge for shipping! Then you might have no choice to buy an sd card! And people buy from there! Mindboggling.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] charliepie:
seems like a pretty honest review to me so well done for scoring a free phone! I'm not bailing just yet as surely we are protected by paypal aren't we?

was surprised to see there is no led notification as thought that was pretty standard these days and also disappointed about the poor camera(expected better) and not so good twin speakers as I chose this phone partly because having 2 speakers must be better than just one! maybe I will bail and change my order to the ecoo aurora also with twin speakers but mounted on the bottom bezel not the rear so should project the sound slightly better, might save another $10 as well:)
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Levered:
great review and nice car;)
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] monrich:
phone purchased from club1941, parcels out the 27.02

2015-03-01 11:05

Despatched to overseas (Country code: FR)
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] thewell:
+1 to GB. I must say this has been a most absorbing experience- much more interesting than popping into CPW for a new Samsung.

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BTW, I actually emailed the site this morning, asking for confirmation of authenticity (I know! But what can you do?) Obviously they would say genuine, but also that prices WILL increase 5th May (don't know what is the significance of that date either), but to a level still cheaper than competitors-so those complaining it's too cheap will be happy:silly:

So, we shall see.

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Correction: 5th March,
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] gwaldo:
My order still there, I think it's stupid putting an order then cancelling it.

I too got a dispatch tracking ID.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
I did'nt cancel my order, you can't cancel it, I merely opened a dispute with the seller, as advised by paypal, opening a dispute doesnt cancel the order, it is supposed to open a dialogue between buyer and seller through paypal to sort out any problems with the order. I didnt ask for a refund, the seller refunded as soon as I opened the dispute, I dont know why, he said he'd already posted the phone and issued a tracking number.

One thing I got wrong ,about paypal, is that I thought that they put a hold on your funds for 21 days automatically, that apparently is only true if it is a new seller, or there are multiple problems with the seller, Paypal would not tell me if club1941.com falls into either of those categories. So if you want to put a hold on your funds the only sure way is to open a dispute, Don't take my word for it ring paypal
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] aliya.dicaprio:
So it means after opening a dispute, the seller can still process the order?
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
Yes of course, its designed to get seller and buyer talking, and coming to an agreement, besides if the order is in the post and tracking number issued, then no further processing should be needed, the seller cant get it back once the courier has it.

As I said before paypal have assured me that if it turns out that this is a fraudlent company then you

will

get your money back......eventually
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] pepsimus:
it don't have notification led? i saw it in random review s3 on yt i think.

edit:

http://youtu.be/PJu1ArPbZiA?t=19m20s
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
According to ColonelZap's excellent review Here the 2gb version has Led notifications see at around 2 minutes on vid
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] rob4x4:
The gizchina.com review also states LED notification light. http://www.gizchina.com/2015/02/03/jiayu-s3-review/

Does not actually say if they work though....
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
well this thread is about reviews isnt it here are a couple of great examples of how to do a video review and how not to

official Pandawill video review Jiayu S3

official Club1941.com video Jiayu S3

Just sayin:cool:
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] aliya.dicaprio:
Besides the LED notification , what I'm concerned from mrsim review & club1941 video is that the imei number & hologram stickers are put in the back cover.. not inside the phone / on the battery place, there is no any stickers in the battery place.. Is that matter?
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] pepsimus:
for me, it looks like 2gb version have imei under battery, but 3 gb version have these numbers on back cover? some sellers on aliexpress have pictures of s3 without battery and imei on phone.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
I had'nt noticed that, and yes that seems odd, though I'm not sure if it has any significance, on the pandawill vid there are no stickers on the back cover, but the reviewer doesnt remove the battery, but I guess thats where they should be underneath the battery, as shown in this Review at about 1 minute, maybe you should ask on the other thread there are several users on there with the 2gb version, I can see no reason why the 3gb would be any different.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheCityAndTheStars:
LOL [emoji15] [emoji32] [emoji30]

The biggest stock of Jiayu S3 in a whole world and what a great review!
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] thewell:
So is it your understanding that unless a seller fits into one of those two categories he has immediate access to funds? Don't take this as a challenge, I am trying to understand: a seller makes a lot of sales which turn out to be fake/scam , everyone complains to PayPal, but meanwhile he has skipped town with the loot. But PayPal will still reimburse the buyers-where does the money come

from, and why would PayPal expose itself to the risk (don't expect you to be able to answer on PayPal's behalf)?

Regarding IMEI numbers-does it matter where they are, doesn't it just have to concur with what's in the phone?

Fao mrsim, you kindly/foolishly disclosed your address , so all the disgruntled customers know where to go in the event of a scam! And you concealed your display IMEI number, but not the one on your battery cover-oops;)

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I get the sarcasm , but have you ever considered the quality of marketing from the manufacturers? Generally rife with mistakes, poorly phrased, clumsy use of vocabulary-and they will have spent a lot of money on it. And even pandawill looks amateurish to me a lot of the time...admittedly not as bad as 1941, but I've seen stuff on a par with it-they(hopefully) are selling phones, not making award -winning documentaries
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
Hi [MENTION=6455387]thewell[/MENTION] , yes basically what I was told by paypal, and I personally think the site falls into the new seller category, because although the domain name goes back 5 years, I cant find any activity on the internet for that site prior to Jan of this year, I think the domain changed hands in Dec 2014 but can't be sure, definately not my field of expertise, very muddy waters, also they trade, or appear to trade in a high risk commodity, electronics, smartphones etc, and from a high risk part of the world, so of I were paypal, which unfortunatley I'm not, I'd be keeping my eye on such a company.

I guess they're main source of income is from seller fees, mainly from ebay I would imagine, I don't think they're short of a few bob.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] aliya.dicaprio:
So how is the conclusion.. how is your personal opinion, should I give it a try.. should I buy one from them.. I need a reccomendation [emoji27]
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
No, I really wouldn't recommend club1941, this is only my personal opinion based on information I have found on the internet or maybe it would be better to say not found, If I were you I would try to find a seller that at least has track record, like Pandawill or Fastcardtech (never thought I'd find myself recommending such sites) who although may not have glowing reviews they have been trading for a number of years and are well known to most people on these forums anyway.

Hope this helps :)
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] aliya.dicaprio:
Thank you, [emoji4]

At first I think it would be save because maybe paypal would got me covered, but I've been thinking about the worst scenario., what if the website.. their facebook page, their youtube even their paypal account suddenly disappeared.. I'm sorry I'm just thinking the worst case. how would I get my money back... would paypal still cover my money?
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] thewell:
Cheers oscarblue48. I think most of us who have bought have done so thinking it's way too cheap, but using PayPal removes the risk, so there is no risk, therefore it's worth trying-what's the worse that can happen?
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mini-pouce:
Thank you for reviewing.

I bought on this site too, so il will see when it comes and how it comes. :p

Also lots of people do like recently so I will keep in touch and advice you, after all it could just be a young site.

EDIT: Yes i agree with you with paypal and some other consumer we don't risk so much...
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
Well I suppose the worst scenario is that you end up in a long protracted claim with paypal to get your money back, they're not going to put their corporate hand in their pocket and pay out without due process, I foresee lots of phone calls emails and frustrations, things don't happen very quickly in paypal world.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
actually there is a notification light and multicoloured as well everytime i receive a notification it lets me know so i do not know why this has been added in the specs that the seller posted

if i hadn't already promised this device to a friend i would strip it down and see what's inside and check to see if there are really two speakers or just one,am going to try and install viper4android on the device and see if that improves the volume or not,but am sure an app from playstore will also help
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mini-pouce:
Thanks for this confirmatio, it's so usefull ! :D

Viper is a greatidea.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
and may i say [MENTION=5262551]oscarblue48[/MENTION],

i don't like the way you imply that i am some sort of sexual predator like jimmy saville was,i actually work with children with disabilities and find your comment highly offensive please consider that i have passed a full police security check for my line of work thank you very much

'hey guys n gals' means i try to take both sexes into consideration when addressing users here in the forum and to be friendly,if that is a crime in your book.....

i might also ask that you create your own thread as you seem to have a rather large chip on your shoulder about this company that i am reviewing for and are rather close to 'spamming' mine,

i know you are concerned about the legitimacy of Club1941.Com and am glad you feel the need to advise people on security matters when purchasing a mobile device from china..."so create your own thread about it"...if you are that bothered

as for anyone else concerned about the company in question i suggest

1) pay with paypal

2) until someone actually has been scammed don't believe any hype

3) keep in communication with the company,everyday if necessary and keep a log of all this communication

any more spamming on this thread and i will ask a moderator to remove and ban you from it

thank you
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] oscarblue48:
Apologies [MENTION=5767345]mrsim[/MENTION] I didnt mean to imply any such thing, only that it seems a poor choice of words for your introduction, I will edit that portion of that post, as for the so called spamming i have mostly been responding to questions and if that is spamming, then i plead guilty and you'd better go ahead and get me banned.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] xfactor765:
So I just ordered the 3GB version from Club 1941. I used Paypal to pay. I know it may have not been advised but I will keep updates (probably on this thread since it seems to be a hub for info about one of the lowest priced Jiayu S3 3GB, that I've seen). I did just make this account just so I could do this, though I have been lurking and browsing XDA for a while. I'm not too sure how to use all the functions and features of this forum but I'll figure it out. I'll post a picture of my invoice/receipt from PayPal and Club1941 for proof of my purchase. I did just complete a few minutes ago.

Should I open a dispute soon? How soon?
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
i also urge people to read the user reviews on the device in question over at club1941.com,seems a number of people have received their devices...:D
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] charliepie:
why did yours cost $205? did you order extra stuff too?
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] xfactor765:
I choose to go with DHL Shipping which was around $20.

Sorry, the correct price was $34 for DHL shipping. I just used a coupon code (" Cellphone2015 ") for 10% off.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] charliepie:
my tracking status has just changed to:-

Item No. Posting Date Status Date Status Description

RF319081567SG 28-02-2015 02-03-2015 Despatched to overseas (Country code: GB)

so it looks like something has been set in motion:)

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oh I see, you'll probably receive yours this week so keep us posted:)
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Madsomebody:
Not a good idea posting your tracking no. !!!
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] TheCityAndTheStars:
Everything that should be said is already said in this thread regarding issues and concerns for club1941.com

Member [MENTION=4472529]ivivdim[/MENTION] has started a dedicated thread to club1941.com

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3043990

No reason to bump this thread anymore except for queries regarding the review itself.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] van_gogh:
It's better to keep using this thread and remove the new duplicate one.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jaunedoeuf:
status change :

2015-03-02 16:27

Despatched to overseas (Country code: BE)

2015-02-27 00:12

Information Received (This is not an acknowledgment of the physical receipt of the stated Registered Article)

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[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrsim:
the 'other' thread is about the shop not my review so it should still stand...some people are concerned about the shops authenticity so they created that thread because i asked them to stop posting here and worrying people...and i am glad that they did it...they have every right to voice their concerns if they are worried...lets hope that club1941,com prove them wrong.....:good:
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] thewell:
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I have looked back through some of my old stuff. It might not be significant, but I was mistaken when I put that mionbuy didn't accept PayPal-they did. So now on reflection it's a dead-ringer for club1941. And as my memory refreshes, I remember that there was an issue with Umi to the extent that Umi posted on its own site and at least Gizchina , that people should not purchase their devices (particularly Zeros) from mionbuy.com. I don't know what relevance my suspicion that mionbuy and club1941 are the same has, and I don't know if there will even be an impact on those who have used PayPal, but I felt I should put it out there. For buyers who don't have access to PayPal, don't buy from here. oscarblue48 and mrsim, at opposite poles of the club1941.com debate, would both agree that using money orders is not the way to go.
[JiaYu S3 Guides, News, & Discussion] gwaldo:
Yes, they both would agree :highfive: