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[G 2014 General] zman01:
The 1st gen. Moto G has already got AOSP 5.1

http://xdaforums.com/moto-g/development/rom-android-source-project-t3060704
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
Just to share my experience with 5.1 :D in a nutshell: i absolutely love it, i think this is what 5.0 should have been initially, 5.1 is the calm after the storm!

why i love 5.1?

- the ui is way way way way smoother, and everything is that 60fps that we were promised initially!

- the animations are there, the ones we were promised from google i/o when they announced L, the little things make it so much better

- the ram management, before in CM11 and FIUI, and CM12 i used AndroIRC which runs in the background and its an IRC app, it always always always got killed after 1-2 minutes, even idling my device with the app not in foreground would kill it on any one of the android versions, finally in 5.1 i can leave it open for hours on end and use apps like whatsapp foreground, 5.1 truely has fixed the memory leaks but some still persits (yet i have to come across them)

- 5.1 also seems to have improved my screen on time by about 30-40 minutes, i suspect this is the outcome of lmk not going on a killing spree (basically mem leak fix also = more battery)

- My setup: CM12.1 latest build from Luca & Luk which fixed MSIM issues (CM12.1 is as stable as CM12, there are only 1 fc i have faced yet and it only happend once since the only apk i install is titanium backup for my setup, the rest of the apps i have get restored from titanium backup, so i never use google play lol, install apks = fc at end of package installer but app installs fine.) with Spirit Kernel r4 by DC02 and i use this gapps package: http://xdaforums.com/android/software/gapps-google-apps-minimal-edition-t2943330

All together i think finally, i have the satisfaction of comparing my phones fluidity to my friends m8 which is on 5.0.2 and it matching it! :D

I suggest anyone whos waiting to take the leap to 5.1 to take it now, its very stable and i have 0 issues with it, so far its perfect, if anything changes regarding performance, battery anything, i will post it here, :), please share your 5.1 experiences xD
[G 2014 General] ravi.avancha:
Any Update on AOSP 5.1 for titan??:confused::confused:
[G 2014 General] zman01:
[MENTION=4725371]Pizza_Dox[/MENTION]

Thanks for the the informations about the CM 12.1. One thing i want to know.. How about the lowmemory killer? How many kills are you getting ?
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
no but you can use cm12.1 which is very close :)

i will do a grep for that, just give me about 30 minutes since im currently doing some development on a script :)
[G 2014 General] Lynse:
Like Pizza_Dox, i will share my 5.1 Experiences (based on cm12.1, Stock 5.1 by Motorola will be a little different, i think)

- I never cared much about RAM Management, but i still have some Launcher redraws after some time, which is a little odd, but i don't care much for that.

- The overall performance is increased (i am using Spirit Kernel), mostly because of the Memory Leak Fixes, the system is running now at 60fps and some drops to 50-46fps (yes i know Android isn't a game to start complaining about framerate but..), the animation lags is mostly caused by the GPU clock being at the minimum speed (in our case is 200mhz), which causes lag, using spirit kernel, you can enable some sort of GPU governor which clocks the GPU at 450mhz (320mhz when system not requires much GPU power), which causes the Animations to be at THE GLORIOUS 60FPS (#pcmasterbutter)

- after some time the system becomes laggy, and you need to restart the phone to get stability back, not so annoying, remembers me the first time i talked with a Nexus 5 user back in the Lollipop's first release.

- Games are running smoothly, a little better performance than Stock 5.0.2 in this case. (GTA San Andreas still running like crap, Rockstar don't know how to optimize games to Adreno GPU's?)

Modern Combat 5 running at 25(?) or 30fps even with Forced 4xMSAA.

- Apps are taking less time to start, which is good, Battery is also improved a little bit.
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
$ grep Killing lmk.log|wc -l
0

proof: http://imgur.com/IdaLRE7,CYTwGmz

:) been running since this morning, no reboots, nothing, spectacular on my end! :D

edit

battery is also amazing, usually id be down to 20% now, now im at 30% :D

Thanks for sharing, question) have you updated to the latest build by luca and luk, idk if it improves anything stability wise but meh (it fixed msim issues).

to reply to most of those issues:

- i have had 0 launcher redraws, it must be our usage patterns and or apps are different :)

- im using spirit kernel aswell and using the recommended simple gpu algorithm which yes maintains the gpu at a higher freq for better performance but it has not seemed to impact performance and yes #pcmasterace #60fpsftw xD

- as i stated above, not rebooted since morning, i do a daily reboot, pretty much when i get up, i do a reboot and go get changed, so while im doing my stuff my phone reboots and re settles in every morning so i guess i dont see this "lagginess" ;)

- Games, meh i dont play games much, i have gta:china town wars, now it is 2.5d but dont underestimate it, cell shading is a little complex so yeah it does run smooth but i never had issues with it initially... :)

- Apps are definitely animating smoother and yes coming to foreground faster, :), and my battery has improved like you say aswell (might be due to spirit kernel, very good kernel imo)

again thanks for your feedback, just comparing mine with yours for people to get a balanced opinion since it all depends on usage patterns and etc.. :)
[G 2014 General] Shampoos:
How did you managed to flash Spritit Kernel? I keep getting "E:Error executing updater binary in zip".
[G 2014 General] balint933:
Hello, can someone link me CM12.1 for G2014? I didnt found it, just the SOKP version. tahnks
[G 2014 General] zman01:
[MENTION=5206577]balint933[/MENTION]

Just google it.. luca020400 basketbuild
[G 2014 General] tassadar20:
Hi bro, i want to know if you tried to use Xposed on 5.1 :D
[G 2014 General] shad876:
It doesn't work on 5.1
[G 2014 General] tassadar20:
Thanks bro:good:
[G 2014 General] Emerson1:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59766081&postcount=1723
[G 2014 General] devsk:
[MENTION=4725371]Pizza_Dox[/MENTION]: is CM 12.1 stable enough for use as a daily driver?
[G 2014 General] devsk:
hmm...interesting. With CM12.1 build, I notice initial burst of killing and then, it stays constant. Its so much better than 5.0. wow! They really did fix stuff up in 5.1. The apps are staying in foreground and they are not getting killed. I see the kill count stable at 28 and it does not change as I used the phone and flip between apps.

Excellent so far!
[G 2014 General] devsk:
The kill count is staying constant. So, this is a very good update.
[G 2014 General] observingi:
Do I have to flash a boot loader for upgrading to CM12.1? I am currently on Micropop.

If yes, then please share the link to flashing boot loader.

Thanks
[G 2014 General] matwaking:
no you need lollipop bootloader like 5.0 but should update twrp to 2.8.6.0
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
Yes :) Its my Daily Driver with spirirt kernel r4!

Thats awesome :D

:D
[G 2014 General] digiscales:
Is device protection in 5.1 gonna work with moto g 2nd gen anyone know? Or in future it works on moto x I think from what I read
[G 2014 General] balint933:
Hello, I installed the latest(03-29) cm12.1 build, and screen doesnt work, tried updating the bootloader,(used TWRP 2.8.6.0) but still nothing, someone help me please. thanks
[G 2014 General] rafaelbrunner:
In 5.1 (CM 12.1), were you able to fix the installer crash, right after when the APK gets installed?

There's also another annoying warning, that keeps popping back, as you can see below:

[IMG="Screenshot"]http://s10.postimg.org/7cln4p25l/IMG_20150331_103158.jpg[/IMG]

It says: "Problem unknown... Requested by Google Play Music". Any ideas?

BTW, this is much more fluid than stock 5.0.2! :good:
[G 2014 General] observingi:
Do we have to flash SU on CM12.1?

Which one?

Thanks
[G 2014 General] devsk:
Just use the CM built-in SU. Its in Developer Options.
[G 2014 General] sumit227:
Hey want your personal opinion.. I don't like cm12 or any 5.0 ROM even stock so I revert back to MicroMod(CM11) So my question is CM12.1 is better than CM11 in terms of performance:what:
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
Its not better than SM & JAv3 CM11 but it is close to kitkat in general, i mean its very smooth, like buttery, :)
[G 2014 General] thdervenis:
As a CM 11 user, having tried ALL CM12 ROMs out there and not sticking to any of them, I read and followed Pizza_Dox's recommendation and gave CM 12.1 a try (after much reluctance). I was amazed! All of the above is true! Even better multitasking than CM 11.

I also use Spirit kernel with recommended settings. Antutu gave me a score of 20318 vs 18300 on stock 5.0.2. But it's not so much the score as the multitasking experience, it approximates or even surpasses my NotePRO 12.2 LTE with 3GB of RAM and a score of 38000 (which of course has a massive screen resolution and hence resource needs and lots of Samsung bloatware).

So for anyone who hasn't tried it, give it a shot. You might end up thinking you own another device. As for daily driver material I cannot really say, I have to use it more.
[G 2014 General] sumit227:
Thanks for true review now after all good review I'm gonna try it..:thumbup:
[G 2014 General] observingi:
Using since morning, the Nightly 20150331 CM12.1 unofficial with Spirit Kernel R5

The ROM Is smooth :)

Somehow available free memory is just around 200mb :( with user apps in the memory being just greenify, whatsapp and Inbox.

Anyway to free up more memory?

Thanks
[G 2014 General] zman01:
CM12 is using much more ram without installed apps than the original stock motorola 5.0.2. :rolleyes:
[G 2014 General] hippy dave:
Installed 12.1 last night, and it's looking great. Finally a lollipop that's as usable as kitkat.

---------- Post added at 11:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:23 AM ----------

In another thread I saw mention of a CM12.1 bug with text messaging, is that still in yesterday's build or has it been fixed?
[G 2014 General] rafaelbrunner:
Didn't like the April Fool's joke...

Not funny at all! :P
[G 2014 General] akay193:
For those who can't wait for 5.1,just go for CM12.1...It's a big leap from CM12 (maybe because memory leak fixes) but yes it just fly all over our phone haha xD
[G 2014 General] BLAZEGIG:
Do xposed work well on cm12.1??
[G 2014 General] Imperious Rooster:
Not compatible yet.
[G 2014 General] Duck86:
5.1 is rolling out to Moto G1 GPE devices right now :( I hate when older devices get the latest updates first :(
[G 2014 General] Hidr0*:
Why? they are waiting longer than US with a G 2014... patience my friend!
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
It will not take much time toigh

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...will-all-skip-android-5-0-go-straight-to-5-1/
[G 2014 General] smitharro:
Just install CM12.1. And you'll have it right away!
[G 2014 General] Shampoos:
Android does not work like Windows. Free memory is just wasted space.

In other words: You don't need to have more free RAM.
[G 2014 General] P.Fan:
yeah.... it shows that the system took up around 400mb of RAM, anyway to free up more ram?
[G 2014 General] the_humanist:
Read the post just above yours
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
if you want to go to dev section, i made a script that frees up ram on cm12.1 ;)
[G 2014 General] BRAiNCHiLD95:
xposed

Meanwhile, a SUPER ALPHA build of Xposed for Android 5.1 comes around....here it is :

http://xdaforums.com/xposed/super-alpha-posted-permission-xposed-t3072979/
[G 2014 General] zakee94:
No, xposed not yet fully compatible with 5.1....

However a super alpha build is available...you can try it! ;)
[G 2014 General] zman01:
Any news about stock 5.1 ?
[G 2014 General] matwaking:
maybe in a month or so,but sure i think
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
On two different occasions , Moto Engineers said about 5.1 update for 2013 Moto devices and not only that in comment section they again said about sure update for 2013 Moto G,X but on questioning about 2014 Moto devices they said nothing about it
[G 2014 General] DiamondBond:
the only reason i can think of them updating the 2013 moto g but never updating the moto g 2014 to 5.1 is cause pigs cant fly, honestly, why even would they not upgrade there avg market flagship to 5.1 lol :)
[G 2014 General] Tel864:
Then I doubt they're Moto engineers or they're playing with you because the 2nd gen was soak tested and Motorola has stated that it will get the update. I'm not even sure they even soak tested the original Moto.
[G 2014 General] zman01:
I think they will skip the 5.1 to our device.. and go straight to 5.1.1 (which will be released by google very soon). As you know they are planning to release 5.1 mainly to older devices which are still on kitkat, and there are no words about the 2nd gen.
[G 2014 General] BlackScout:
We really need 5.1 ASAP, I'm facing Battery Issues on L through a whole week, nothing fixes it.
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
Android 5.1 won't fix 5.0 battery "drain"
[G 2014 General] zman01:
What drain? :D I have better battery life on stock 5.0.2 than i had on kitkat. 4-5 hours SoT with 2-3 days without charging. Last week i had 6 hours of SoT on 2 days. :D
[G 2014 General] alligator_asl:
I fear, except you there are not many user, who have a better battery life under 5.02 .
[G 2014 General] Tel864:
I can't say it's any better, but if 5.01 is any worse I can't tell it. I run my location on high accuracy and leave the wifi on, although I do use an app called 2 Battery Pro to auto disable my wifi when the phone is sleeping and turns it on periodically. Even when I use my golf GPS app continuously for 4 to 5 hours, I get a full day of normal use. Even now after my phone has been off the charger for 14 hours, I still have 22 hours left according to 2 Battery. I couldn't be more pleased with 5.01, which I forgot to mention is Shawn5162's Unified Titan Build 1.1 dev build.
[G 2014 General] BlackScout:
Yeah, he is right, the battery drain issue is with Google Play Services...

I had to switch to CM12 today and even void my warranty because that bug was annoying me so much I couldn`t handle anymore.

I don`t want to lose my battery, so...
[G 2014 General] vyaskd:
why dnt u remove google apps? I removed all gapps and got more free ram and btry bckp.
[G 2014 General] BLAZEGIG:
I m not using any of Google's app, not needed,,

And it booster my battery backup my 50%
[G 2014 General] PsyClip-R:
Actually I have the same question - what battery drain ?

Mine one works half a day longer running on Android stock 5.0.2.
[G 2014 General] BLAZEGIG:
Well, without Google apps and on cm12.1 with spirit kernal, I get about 30hours backup, with continue net on.
[G 2014 General] Crazysah:
Any updates on the 5.1 release for the G2?
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
No one knows ,, believe me last time I with others, speculated lollipop update,, got it 2 months before that :) .

Motorola has started pushing 5.1 update for the 2013 Moto X in Brazil .Next will be Moto X 2014 ,. But this time it seems Moto giving stuck on devices more priority.
[G 2014 General] BRAiNCHiLD95:
damn.

Let's not get excited for a few weeks now...

http://www.xda-developers.com/android-5-1-1-released/

As ya'll know, 5.1.1 is out now, and Moto will delay the update to directly upgrade to 5.1.1, as it fixes the memory leak *FINALLY*!! :victory:

Everyone can taste 5.1.1 on tomorrow cm12.1 build thanks to Luk and luca...:good::fingers-crossed:

Here's the thread :

http://xdaforums.com/moto-g-2014/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-t2993932/
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
Is there any memory leak fix in changelog
[G 2014 General] BRAiNCHiLD95:
nope

Not really BUT as per this :

https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=159738

The very last post states that the issue was fixed internally by google(this was approximately 2 weeks back).

So hopefully the 5.1.1 release will come with those commits included... :good::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

And here I read that they have fixed it(I think just like I deduced it, everyone did it)...Let's hope to get some clarity on this soon...:good:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...e-project-updated-with-code-for-5-1-1-lmy47v/
[G 2014 General] RomuloPF:
Great... now the rollup for 5.1 will be "stopped" because they will send 5.1.1 "when it's ready".... When 5.1.1 would be near to lauch, Google sends 5.1.2 or 5.1.1.1 or 5.2 and start aaaaaaall again :(

It's not Motorola fault... maybe it's my fault, when i think that big companies could not make crappy things... like Android and memory leaks... and, for example, Apple with iOS 8 problems..

Let's just wait 1 year after 5.0 launch, when it's turns to be 5.3.8, should be "stable" :mad:

On my Moto G 2014, 5.0.2 it's far better than 4.4.4, but memory leaks and the fake multi tasking annoy me so much (for example: open a website with Chrome, then change app to WhatsApp, read and write a message, then go back to Chrome: the website will do a reload"

Or open a game, reply a message on WhatsApp, and the game, if not have a built-in "save state", will reload.
[G 2014 General] cuzzo94:
There are other issues on android 5.0.

On my phone opening the dialer takes ages, really, like 4 seconds or, and in general every app take much longer to load.

Sometimes the phone looks faster than on 4.4.4, but when it comes to open or switch apps the phone looks really really slow, and it's a pity because it has a grat potential.

Maybe it's all related to memory leaks, let's hope so

(I did a clean updgrade, I tryed clearing cache partition and all, it makes a little difference but nothing incredible, i think it's just due the immature OS, abandoning Dalvik machine was a huge step)
[G 2014 General] shxrm_:
Someone said in the official Motorola forum for the 2014 Moto G that they got an update and the system version is 22.41.19. The system version for 5.0.2. is 22.21.xx
[G 2014 General] Crazysah:
Can you link to that post?
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
I fear no fixes,

Just noticed that there is issue raised in aosp issue tracker about Memory leak in 5.1.1

Strange that after submitting bug report by one user, Google has stopped comments section now only will notify for update.

Nexus 5 owner forum crippled by Memory leak in 5.1.1 at XDA

---------- Post added at 06:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:09 AM ----------

Here is

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/684dda3d86?page=79

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/684dda3d86?page=80
[G 2014 General] Shawn5162:
The Nexus 5 isn't only crippled by memory leak....There are various issues that contribute to less RAM and OS crashes....The memory leak is just one cause of the issue......My point is even if google fixed the memory leak....It would definatley help RAM but would not completely fix the OS/app crash and low memory.

BTW Android 5.1.1 was a security fix update and updated the Nexus 5/6 camera (also fixed camera issues on those devices)

#WaitingforAndroid5.2
[G 2014 General] luca020400:
Mem leak fix won't fix crashes or FCs

It may free up some RAM
[G 2014 General] RomuloPF:
I'm starting to think seriously on trading my phone on ANY other with 2 ou 3GB RAM... if Google it's incompetent with dealing with memory leak..

Brute force: if it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.
[G 2014 General] Thecrazyskull:
People keep talking about mem leak but mine runs 100% fine not a single problem even on cm based rom.
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
I remember someone saying Lollipop was more stable than Ios in terms of app stability
[G 2014 General] RomuloPF:
I don't know about iOS apps.. but yes, Lollipop, for me, seems more stable and better. When the app it's on first plane. The problem it's with memory leak on second plane apps. Like, for example, you're on WhatsApp or Facebok, and select HOME and Dial... this take ages to be ready to cal a number.

Android should grab a small portion of the RAM to call quickly a second app, in my opinion. How much MBs the dialer uses? 20mb? 30mb? It's really difficult for a system call it QUICKLY?

Another thing should be a way to force something to stay on second plane. For example: i'm playing Candy Crush, for example, and NO MATTER WHAT i want it open, even if i click home and open another program (or receive a call). So even if i open Facebook and navigate for 10 minutes, when i change to Candy Crush, IT SHOULD BE on the same screen i left (the same that i minimize an app on Windows, and 2 days after, it will be there, on the same screen (only if the app itself has an default behavior when idle).

I use WhatsApp every time. So if i'm reading a book, or on Facebook, or on Chrome, every time i turn back to WhatsApp to answer or send a message.. why Android keeps closing it and reopening? Why i can't tell it to NOT do that?
[G 2014 General] love@hate:
Any update on 22.42.19 update that one user got,,, r u on XDA ????
[G 2014 General] metalrules321:
Yeah man , I understand your problems.

This app-killing issue was so frustrating, I seriously thought about trading the phone.

But trust me when I say this, the cm12.1 or 5.1 mitigates this problem to a very very large extent. Now I can have 4-8 apps constantly running in the background without any reloading or homescreen redraws.

5.1.1 seems a bit more snappier then 5.1 but that could just be me, also 5.1.1 roms need a bit more work, some isses here and there but nothing too big

So, all in all . I'd say, you should flash a 5.1 rom, it makes a HUGE difference to the perfomance. I was pleasantly surprised to see lollipop working sooo much better

Go for it :)
[G 2014 General] emiwonder:
Disable all moto apps, that helped me!
[G 2014 General] fburgos:
This thing you describe is the memory leak
[G 2014 General] Crazysah:
So basically no 5.1 till a couple of weeks?
[G 2014 General] RomuloPF:
Yes, i know :( The problem it's that Google lauches 5.0, then 5.0.1, then 5.0.2.. then 5.1... then 5.1.1, and the leak still bother us.

Maybe when Google do their job and make an stable Android, we will receive the stable version.. Because we received 5.0.2 directly "at first", then launches 5.1 and the other devices will pass from 4.4.4 to 5.1 directly.. probably we will stuck at 5.0.2 until appears a new update...

My rage it's with Google and it's ****ty work. Amateur level = Google.:mad:
[G 2014 General] xbs:
Sorry wrong thread. Please delete.
[G 2014 General] crazyavak:
Can't wait for 5.1 but is still don't understand I hear everybody speaking about memory leak. my g2014 got no issues it fast and no memory leak(5.0)
[G 2014 General] theloniousm:
Did you factory reset before/after you installed 5.0 OTA?
[G 2014 General] cuzzo94:
Not to be skeptical, but in my opinion who thinks he doesn't have this problem probably simply doesn't notice it :confused:

It's like when on my old htc one x the notification drawer was slow and laggy on every rom, and everyone had the same problem, except for someone who stated that their notification pulldown was perfect. Probably they were simply less sensitive to that "issue", or they didn't care of having perfect smoothness.

In this case the phone isn't unusable, it never crashes, but you can see that it's not using the memory well. The dialer takes ages to open, a little browsing will make the homepage and every app in background reload.

Memory usage could be optimized and it's what we hope. Android is growing in size and functions, so it's normal that it requires more ram, maybe 1 gb is becoming insufficient, but i'm sure they can do something better.