yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Ah, you've taken some more :)

Take this

one

.

Look at the bottom right, you will three symbols, a star, then an arrow facing right in the middle and another arrow facing down.

Choose the middle arrow which if you hover above will say 'Share this photo'. Click.

Next, it will open a box with a link. Choose BBcode. Then you will see two drop down menus. Choose what size you want, say Medium 447x640

Then just copy the code which appears below and is already selected. copy+c. looks like this..

[url=https://flic.kr/p/sbh7G2][img]https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8778/17181585225_48507f479d_z.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/sbh7G2]IMAG5525[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/people/132417641@N07/]sallam5010[/url], on Flickr

and paste in your post. the result will be

IMAG5525 by sallam5010, on Flickr

You will have to do the same with each photo. This way you can refer to individual photos.

Another way, if you just want to show people your work quickly is to use this free minimalist flickr viewer called 'i hardly know her'.

Click below to see your gallery.

http://ihardlyknowher.com/132417641@N07

All images with latest at the top.

If anybody wants to discuss and post an individual image, click the image, which takes you to the flickr page for that image and then follow the earlier instructions.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

cool, thanks :good:

Offenbach_14.04.2015_09-50 by starbase64, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Source?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

post #677 / someone can extract the dat files?
[One (M9) General] Joloxx9:
http://phandroid.com/2015/04/09/htc-one-m9-camera-update/

And also one mate from hdandroid thread confirmed that he has received it and he posted screenshots. He got TMUS
[One (M9) General] beno619:
Do any of the third party apps implement there own EIS or would it have to be a firmware level implementation ? Does the stock HTC app actually use EIS ?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
I don't understand why they are pushing to US carrier devices first
[One (M9) General] zaaye:
Isn't this the same one from a week or so ago?
[One (M9) General] Joloxx9:
Do you have Europe version? Because my base is 1.32.401.15 and I havent see update for us so far, Im using android hd
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
There is quite some variation

The Euro version

Sprint

Phandroid talks about (build 1.32.531.33, about 88MB in size for our T-Mobile unit) so this is to update t-mobile.

Sprint looks to have the latest build to date.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Yup, and both our phones are updated already ^_^
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION] [MENTION=5128617]troopii[/MENTION]

Freedcam is really good :good:
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Freedcam...

Oberelspe_18.04.2015_14-00 by starbase64, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Can you enable access to the original jpg you processed from raw ?

Also take the same scene with stock camera so we can compare the difference.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

i'm using currently only freedcam and his dng format.

original: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttxwzfbqtwzhcu0/IMG_2015.04.18_14.00.15_bayer-mipi-10grbg.dng?dl=0
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Snap Camera HDR

Oberelspe_18.04.2015_19-29 by starbase64, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Freedcam HDR

Oberelspe_18.04.2015_18-54 by starbase64, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] DjLukeW:
With Camera FV-5

Camera fv-5 by lukew85, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] aaronrw:
Pure stock camera app after latest firmware update from tmous
[One (M9) General] haZethew0rld:
Stock HDR

[IMG=""]https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/tjBJ89q5vWb3qi7jc2BWPAF8Ads5MomG/IMAG0037.jpg[/IMG]
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
No..

you take a photo with freedcam which gives you a raw. you then process it to get the jpg. i want to see this jpg original in th full resolution you took it at.

Then i want you take the same picture with stock camera and show this jpg also in the full resolution. preferably same as the other. can make a 1:1 comparison easy.

This way we can tell the difference between raw vs stock jpg. Especially with landscapes.

If you put these two originals on flickr its easier to share them with others. Have posted a comparison like this with nexus 5 and fv5 raw coverted to jpg. I'm still waiting to do it with the m9.

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Average metering with sharpness turned down. 1/2638 ISO 50

Did you use tap to focus with fv5 ? or was it point, let it get focus by itself and when it does then click ?

Standard camera by lukew85, on Flickr

With stock camera.

1/3146, ISO 64 contrast low, saturation low. sharpness same.

Did fv5 really use average metering ? can't tell them apart.

however lower contrast and saturation are apparent.

fv5 also used a 20% slower shutter. But the corresponding higher ISO on stock should have cancelled it out.

am getting the impression whatever auto picks, if you use 20% slower, things come out better. going up against the note4, i noticed the note4 consistently picked slower speeds. Got a better exposure as a result.

Exp comp would be too much as it only goes up in half f-stops which would mkae it 50%, too much. On other devices i've seen steps of a third.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
IMAG0428 by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr

IMAG0413 by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr

IMAG0398 by XxQuickShotxX, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] rowihel2012:
wow s6 camera is way better than our m9 i hate you Samsung
[One (M9) General] jais_dude:
Cross over the bridge. .:D
[One (M9) General] smudgelab:
Think I've copied the flikr address correctly... I don't pixel peep and there's more than enough detail here for me. As others have said, I have my dslr for "proper" stuff.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskagKweu
[One (M9) General] jais_dude:
Most folks across love to enjoy their day to day special moments..and as such it's demarcation from special stuff is diminishing. .pixel peep is a figure of speech. .it's always the final output which matters. .:D

Sent from my Galaxy S6 edge
[One (M9) General] smudgelab:
And on that basis, this phone more than satisfies my requirements ?
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
It is, in a way. It's much faster to open and to take pics. It's way better indoor with moving objects but... somehow I like the outdoor pics from the M9 a bit better , my Nordic S6 takes to bright and sometimes washed out pics, could be the lens or the way Samsung want it. Using the freedcam makes sometimes better and more natural pics, the same with M9 :) Exept for the camera I honestly think the M9 is the better phone, playing my normal apps the battery is about the same.

And writing this entry on the S6, the keyboard on the M9 is way better :)

But I have to get Samsung a big cred, Touchwiz is finally close to smooth. It's boring and looks like it's from the 80s but it's in another league than the Note 4. It's not lagsung anymore.
[One (M9) General] guztavo1:
Hi,

This is a great post to optimize the settings. But is this before or after the "big camera software update" that HTC did a couple weeks ago?
[One (M9) General] skwieradee:
Hi, can someone share his opinion about m9 quality of pictures of moving people for example kids? My gf has one mini 2 that lacks of ois and struggles every time she wants to capture our son whilst playing around. His slight movement makes pictures smudgy and not sharp. I would like to know if m9 suffers the same. Is it only lack of ois that is a trouble or general quality of camera on one mini 2 that I believe is weaker/worst than high end m9. Thanks
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
In my short use (I've been using two different M9's in the last couple of weeks), the M9 camera is not that good at capturing movement, even in well lit scenarios. I came from an M7 that could take clear and in-focus shots almost all the time. Now, on the M9, I find myself taking 3-4 shots of the same scene just to be sure I get a good one. And I find myself being more aware of the fact that I have to steady my hands... I even stop breathing some time just to make sure I keep the phone steady. I hate this uncertainty in this camera... Even if it does take way better pictures than the M7 (in good lighting at least)
[One (M9) General] skwieradee:
Cheers for your opinion. But even if you use a tripod you can't make your little ones to not move for at least half second :) even my m7 struggles when I take a picture of my 2 year old boy
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
I'm not saying the M7 won't give you blurry photos sometimes, but it's better than what you get with the M9 in terms of focus on moving objects or people in a scene.
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
burst mode or 'continuous shooting' not help with moving subjects ?
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
Sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't... If the lights fade out, it's sometimes even harder to get a steady shot... Example, the shot below >>>

To get this shot I had to take 7 other shots (all at different moments because after I reviewed the shots taken I saw that they were not good)... In all of the shots I tried to get the focus on the little figurine drawn in the middle of the photo...

All other shots (except this one that I kept) were a little shaken... When zoomed in I could see the contours weren't all in focus or clear. And mind you, this was a still shot, no moving objects in the scene...
[One (M9) General] skwieradee:
Does that mean that only very good light, not shaking hands and not moving objects gurantee a good quality - Clear and not blurry - picture?
[One (M9) General] VictorC:
Actually, in the case of this photo I wouldn't call it good light... It was in a bar, so the light wasn't great, but not that bad... After two weeks using the M9, I got used to taking more shots instead of one, just to be sure I got one good enough... And, like I said, I'm more aware now of my hand movements and shakes, more aware that I have to be still, very still... I got shots that were blurry just because the phone moved while I was pressing the screen to capture the shot o_O (more than once did this happen to me)
[One (M9) General] skwieradee:
But again you refer to taking a picture of not moving objects and even that seems to be hard to get decent photo if light is not "good". If a gentle shake of hand ruin the picture, how am I suppose to take picture of people especially kids that never stops for a sec.
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Seeing as the HTC camera software generally preferrs a faster shutter time + higher iso. It's pretty good for moving subjects, as long as the light is there.

As soon as there's no light and the exposure creeps up you'll start getting blurry motion blurred photos.

I don't have kids... But I have no problem capturing moving objects outside. (someone on a swing, or running)

Obviously OIS would make things better, and it should have been included...
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
I noticed that with note 4 as well. it works indoors but outdoors might be over kill.

When it comes to night mode earlier samsungs like note 4 or s5 are better. The s6 can't get night mode working reliably right now.

S6 ISO 1000 vs (note 4 Night mode)

S6 ISO 1000 vs (note 4 Night mode)

S6 ISO 1000

S6 ISO 1250

Can't improve these S6 shots. Night mode decides to turn on when it wants no way to engage it. And there is no shutter control in S6 'Pro' mode section :|

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OIS won't help with moving subjects.

Whatever OIS i've seen on android (samsung hybrids excepted) isn't as good as on other platforms

The test is simple, a 1/4 shot. The galaxies can manage a 1/8.

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1/14 ISO 800

I take it auto focus worked every time, but it was shake.

How were you holding when you took it ?

see these

Auto-ISO200cap by Leoside, on Flickr

1/14 ISO 200

Auto-ISO400cap by Leoside, on Flickr

1/10 ISO 400

What is particularly challenging with these two is see how far back the background goes and there are many things there.

2014-01-24 14.52.31 by rslaporte, on Flickr

1/4 ISO 800 on the Z1. No OIS on xperias.

I think m9 can do the same :)
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I know OIS won't affect moving subjects, but would help eliminate motion blur due to shaky hands.. Etc.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
yes this is the sadest part of the story, indoor or low light can be good with some effort, but movement your only hope is burst shutter which further reduces quality

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i have checked this in Photoshop, i disabled denoising and i have to say its eye opening! the 1:1 even at 20MP is pretty good, you can identify cars in distance and read signs, the only denoising needed is for color noise and that's it, if you reduce the size 8MP/10MP this image becomes incredible in terms of IQ

this actually makes me sad, as i have concluded that HTC must have an ISO bug in there because sometimes even at ISO50 it can have unexplained smudging and more importantly the denoise algorithm is beyond hopeless and the picture above proves it....to be honest the current state of the camera app code is simply pathetic

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yes it does but with UP we didnt need that, even the One X, so maybe it has something with a huge MP increase + lack of imagechip assistance
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Quick till later
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
WWE just received an update:

thanks to [MENTION=6519062]aos10[/MENTION] for the headsup

let's see, i will safeguard the zip file in order to check what has changed
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
hdr

IMAG5536 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5534 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5530 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5529 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5525 by sallam5010, on Flickr

manual

IMAG5516 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5513 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5510 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5421 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5420 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5546 by sallam5010, on Flickr

manual with flash

IMAG5610 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5609 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5605 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5603 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5602 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5601 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5599 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5598 by sallam5010, on Flickr

manual

IMAG5596 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5592 by sallam5010, on Flickr

auto

IMAG5591 by sallam5010, on Flickr

hdr

IMAG5590 by sallam5010, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Simplest tip i can offer is double or more whatever distance away she uses to take pictures of your son. Then crop. Do not zoom. Further away the slower movement will appear. Closer up requires a faster shutter.

Not always possible but if you orient yourself so that you can capture movement towards or away from you, else at an a angle then you can use a slower shutter than if the subject moves across the frame.

Smallest megapixels setting you can get away with.

Try flash to slow it further. This can be tricky if it sets a fixed shutter. Slowest speed you want is 1/60. Anything more is better, will need higher ISO though ie noise so smaller MP helps.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132643590@N02/17206085541
[One (M9) General] Adam182:
Nice Photo! - Adam
[One (M9) General] flex360:
IMAG0165 by flexbox360, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] Tenchi4U:
Untouched jpegs (100%@13.1mp using Camera FV5) from my frontyard, overcast day (so that helps a lot), matrix metering seems to REALLY help with getting a good exposure (set it to spot for comparison afterwards, which I'm sure the stock camera uses, about the same results as stock camera app).

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Sent from my Viper'd & Sunshine'd M9 DevEd
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Default is centre weighted with stock camera. Spot is good for macros and portraits but will mess up shots where there are differences in light. multi will work better there.

on iphones when you lock focus this has the tendency to switch metering to spot. Does that happen with the m9 ? Can't say i've seen it yet.
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
Please let us know, if everything goes as planned I should have my M9 tomorrow and wanna know about it :)
[One (M9) General] m4jkee:
I must confirm, that changing aspect ratio to 10:7 drastically improves details!
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
Really? Isn't 16:9 just simple crop from 10:7 and no extra processing?
[One (M9) General] m4jkee:
I thought it too. ButI can see it. Maybe I see difference because i am still on 401.15 . I compare when i receive update ;)
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Can you post the image of the same scene showing different aspect ratios ?

If anything i've seen smaller image size does that. not necessarily aspect ratio.
[One (M9) General] flex360:
Finally learned how to hotlink Flickr photos properly

All point and shoot on auto

IMAG0161 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0165 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0166 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0170 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0173 by flexbox360, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
any camera improvements on ota X.17?
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
I believe the .17 was just various bug fixes. The camera patch should have been in the x.15
[One (M9) General] neo905:
I have the .31 new update. I can confirm that even with update the 10:7 looks way better than 16:9, especially in low light photos. Not sure why but it's true.
[One (M9) General] fernando sor:
Maybe not the greatest picture but this bird house was swinging back and forth when I took this on normal auto mode.
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
Can you post some photos to compare? 1:1 crops? Thanks!
[One (M9) General] hoopla man:
Some help needed

I was surprised by the quality of images this phone is capable of taking, considering what I had previously read on online reviews. The photos seem to have been taken in a manual mode and not the phone's auto mode.

But can someone give me a quick lowdown of the manual mode, or give a link to a place where I could find one? So that I can see what exactly is controllable.

Also, is there a way to change HTC's default spot metering to something else?

I want to get a new phone and I need a good camera, and don't mind tinkering around with it to get good pictures.

please help..
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Quality of images i will attribute more to the guys that took them than what took them. They decide when to click the shutter. The bulk are in auto, which is recommended except for niche situations. Exposure problems occurred because people were using tap to focus instead of using auto focus.

manual focus, wb, shutter time, iso & exp comp.

Its not default spot metering, its default centre weighted. stock camera does not allow metering changes. 3rd party apparently does. I've yet to see comparisons of whether it works or not.

What do you currently use ? as that is what m9 will be compared with.

best is to get some hands on time before pulling the trigger.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
ok so far no changes in .17, all the known behavior remains (slow HDR, over sharpness, ISO, low light weakness) but i am yet to test in daylight

but i have to say that for me, contrast +0.5 and colour +0.5 remains essential to take good photos on this phone, otherwise they look dull and boring

one more thing i observed, its actually much easier to take a low light shot using manual mode than the other modes! i have a feeling EIS is disabled in manual mode, so i will be investigating that
[One (M9) General] hoopla man:
Thanks [MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION].

I made a mistake with the metering thing, read it later.

I am an amateur photographer and I love tweaking with the Manual mode on my DSLR so I guess I'll be home here.

I currently use an HTC 8X and am bored of windows, not to forget that it's almost 2 years old! ;)

Anyway, the camera would be a big upgrade for me.

And yes, I will visit a store to use the phone before I make a decision.
[One (M9) General] m4jkee:
May I ask you, where are you from? My phone has still only .15 update and I cant wait to get some improvements and test them. :)
[One (M9) General] neo905:
Canada.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
Here is a low light pic taken yesterday with the 10:7 setting.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
I am also attaching the update I got as it is much larger than the .17 file. There must more changes in this .31 but I am not sure what other differences they are because there isn't an adequate change log.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
what was the base before .31?
[One (M9) General] neo905:
Much more grainy. It still isn't as good as Ultrapixel low light but it is an improvement.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
no i meant which base, now you are on 1.32.661.31, what was the previous base? 1.32.661....?
[One (M9) General] neo905:
1.32.661.6
[One (M9) General] iggdawg:
is the "camera fix" due to firmware, software, or a combination of both?
[One (M9) General] flex360:
All auto

point and shoot

2015-04-22_07-54-33 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0182 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0198 by flexbox360, on Flickr

IMAG0200 by flexbox360, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] m4jkee:
what sw number do you have?
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
why bother, these are still absurdly smudged
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
HTC Stock Camera HDR and second this pic edited with the App "Perfectly Clear"

originals on Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sogpfut9jgzpwfr/AAB77tZVBeXOah2NW_Q0cEWwa?dl=0
[One (M9) General] flex360:
Smudged how?

Wipe your eyes out
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
your photos are fine but i am blaming HTC code, the detail is wasted with all this smudging at 1:1, the RAW image starbase posted is shocking in terms of 1:1 after seeing that i don't understand why HTC is smudging so agressively, the only possible explanation i have is a serious bug in the HTC app
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] can you please provide two samples form the HTC camera app? in the exact same spot as the last DNG you posted? one at default sharpness and another at -2?

I want to show everyone how much precious detail HTC is wasting in that denoise algorithm which can only be described as absurd
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Took this picture this morning, think HTC needs to get the smudging under control...
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
good one ;) but actually this pretty close to many photos the default HTC camera takes
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Not sure what you're talking about, I took this with my phone ;)
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
not working bro not working ;) even with all the caps in place the phone still loves to heavily denoise once i show you side by side from the same phone and the exact sensor you will understand

with this much smudging HTC could have simply upsampled the UP photo using the woop filter
[One (M9) General] Jonathan-H:
Can't see anything wrong with the "Smudged" pictures. Only time I see real smudging, or lack of detail, is when using any kind of manual adjustment, which is rubbish on the M9. Auto and HDR takes comparable outdoor daytime shots to the Note 4 I had before.
[One (M9) General] 00mpollard:
Panorama at my local beach yesterday & a few snaps
[One (M9) General] reubenskelly1992:
Camera has nothing on the s6...sadly. main thing stopping me from swapping my s6 for an m9
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
this is the beauty posted by [MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] few page ago, RAW - Freedcam

all i did is open it in photoshop and denoise the colors, without applying any denoise or smudge to the image itself

click on the image to open the full 20MP sample and zoom to see the beautiful 1:1 quality, i can identify the white Kia sportage right there in the middle of the photo (looks like a white spot in the downsampled image in this post)

HTC is shooting itself in the foot, with that brute smudging