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[One (M9) General] tryfound:
I've just discovered something very interesting - lowering the resolution results in much better images, at least in low-light. It's morning now and I have some early light coming in to my room, decided to play around with settings and as you'll see below, the 'small' resolution setting (3808x2144) results in much clearer images with no blur. I believe the blur/lack of focus on the 'large' resolution (5376x3024) is caused by the lack of OIS which doesn't hinder the lower resolution somehow. I'm not really a camera expert but the results speak for themselves.

Also just want to add that I repeated the same results again and again and again, my hand is steady and after dozens of shots the smaller resolution ones always look best.

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0080.jpg (large res)

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0079.jpg (small res)

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0075.jpg (large res)

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0076.jpg (small res)

Another example:

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0082.jpg

http://u.cubeupload.com/tryfound/IMAG0081.jpg

I''ll test this some more later in different lighting conditions
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
My thoughts precisely.

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[One (M9) General] victorinoxs:
Interesting....please test more by using countdown shutter (edit: with a tripod or some sort of course), this way we know for sure there is no shake of any kind. Thanks.
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
Sorry, I don't have a tripod. I'm sure with tweaking of various manual settings and ideal lighting and steadier conditions it can take great photos but the whole point of a camera phone for 99% of people is what it can do in a normal point & shoot situation when you need to quickly snap a moment. My photos are examples of 'everyday' auto pics from an average user whereas HTC staff have provided examples of what can be achieved with some expert understanding of photography and editing software etc.

I've done some outdoor shots now that the sun is up and I think the small resolution suffers since there's no issue focusing in good light, therefore the higher resolution produces sharper pics.
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Oh yes my mistake the samsung got it at ISO 40, just so slighlty sharper. without hdr.

m9

s6
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
Some more shots with the M9, large res then small res second. Had to use imgur because of filesize so these are compressed images, don't bother zooming for details, some of the higher res images I took have been reduced to a size smaller than the 'small' res images due to their original filesize, I guess that's imgur's way of compressing.

http://imgur.com/PeWfBMx

http://imgur.com/CNrpmW7

http://imgur.com/fOi00v3

http://imgur.com/dMQ1yXV

http://imgur.com/JmvdebB

http://imgur.com/MnF3Fue

http://imgur.com/2AtDjvr (HDR)

http://imgur.com/mP0g0aP (HDR)

http://imgur.com/NApwPvt

http://imgur.com/U8yHyuV

http://imgur.com/i04j8vr

http://imgur.com/1FPUAw7
[One (M9) General] jumping worm:
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[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Shutter is faster on the m9 than the n4

m9 ISO 160 1/50, N4 ISO 125 1/33

slow the shutter on the m9 and use half the iso. which means you have to pull off a 1/25 or less with ISO 50 on the m9. You won't be able to tweak more on the note 4.

note 4 defaults to muli for metering so set the m9 for average metering instead of centre weighted..

if foreground is better lit than background then use centre weighted. otherwise average is better.
[One (M9) General] D15:
I wouldn't say 'slightly'. The S6 picture is considerably sharper. Here is a 1:1 crop. (The S6 is on the left)
[One (M9) General] galmoham:
Yeah. I second you. The M9 picture is shaper
[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
1. m9 is using an ISO of 1250 and N4 640. You have to drop the ISO down on this one and use a lower shutter speed.

2. cat moved in the m9, ISO similar. invalid.

3. difference is wb here, auto wb on the m9 did not get this right. ISO is the same here but the N4 got the longer exposure. 1/20 vs 1/33

4. m9 is at 1600 ISO, night mode kicked in with the n4.This one you will have to get at 1/2 on the m9 or use a tripod for 1s to match the samsung.

5. n4 uses a lower ISO and longer shutter but is more blurred, so there was shake compared to the m9 which is sharper and hence had less shake. invalid. note 4 ois did not save this shot.

wb is off on the m9 again ? if its blue and you want to warm it then use fluorescent or warm fluorescent to get more yellow.

6. this is a tripod shot which the m9 should use the slowest shutter possible. n4 is using night mode.

to get slower shutter, use timer and rest the phone on something you will get less shake.

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How will you be viewing this shot, at what size and how far away will you be viewing it from ?

What is the intent of that shot ? if i wanted the sign clear i'd go up to it and get it clear.

Where was focus set. and how far away is that sign from the person who took the shot. focus at infinity and things closer will be softer. To get everything sharp you have to focus at hyperfocal.

Put it this way, is the difference large enough to choose the s6 over the m9. i would say not enough in this pair. A lot more factors come into play. generally speaking differences like this between devices of the same generation are minor at best.

Only way to get it sharper would be to post process it, the m9 is default set to hard sharpen.
[One (M9) General] th3:
I'm only querying with pure shots without post processing for now. Post processing + shooting RAW is a separate topic altogether.

If they're using electron output well binning, that is major potential for good quality images! Because in that mode, DR is increased from 100 up to 400, and noise is vastly decreased. It is what I've been waiting for with the M9...

Problems is where they need to bring in exposure compensation algorithms.

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Dropbox originals please?

OMG those small res are much better (!) This needs thorough investigation [emoji16]

Put saturation to normal please, sharpening -1 and cap the ISO at 100-200.

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The S6 trounces the M9 in such conditions and every review makes and shows it absolutely clear. Don't waste your time with the few hardcore zealots.

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[One (M9) General] victorinoxs:
Thanks, can't really see any difference in this set (contrary to the previous set where the difference was quite obvious). I was hoping that when shooting at lower res there will be some kind of pixel-binning technology in effect (similar to Xperia Z series). That's why I suggested using countdown shutter and keeping the phone steady to make sure it's a fair comparison.
[One (M9) General] th3:
There's not much you can do at 140KB [emoji6]

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[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
trounce : defeat heavily in a contest.

what is this obsession with image quality at 100% good for ?

Nah its minor just as i said. I hate hype and try to gut it whenever i can. I've seen quite a few images up close, and that remains my opinion provided manual is used in lower light situations.

So what are you going to do ? you won't buy a samsung.

And am still waiting to see people who are competent with manual so far all i've seen are penico's shots.
[One (M9) General] tryfound:
No, your whole post is invalid. I'm testing AUTO, feel free to grace us all with your superior photography skills when you get your M9.
[One (M9) General] th3:
This obsession is what makes every product better in every field, than its predecessor.

Without this obsession, there can be no better or worse product, and you'll still be saying "good enough" to the HTC Desire camera [emoji3]

What you're saying... 'Moving the goalpost' it's called. Common trick.

Your opinion is not supported by the data we all have.

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[One (M9) General] ivicask:
Autofucs is better while recording now, cant tell about other, you will need to try for your self.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
Autofocus wasn't the biggest issue with the video camera.

1.) The exposure levels from dark to light are way to aggressive when you pan across a scene.

2.) The lack of OIS is killing the video taking experience. I know it has EIS but so does the iPhone 6 and it does not shake as violently as this does.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
I am actually ok with the still camera.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
neither did the M8
[One (M9) General] acidspider:
Should these values be in build. Prop already or do I add them Somewhere?
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=3408326]acidspider[/MENTION]

yes, build.prop
[One (M9) General] acidspider:
Just add to the bottom?
[One (M9) General] neo905:
I didn't have the M8. I was coming from the M7 which had OIS. Two years later why I am taking a step back? There are things I am confident HTC can fix but image stabilization isn't one of them.
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=3408326]acidspider[/MENTION]

yes
[One (M9) General] anlygi:
Auto with HDR enabled. Firmware in my sig.

(I wish it was mine :crying:)
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i was relooking into this and i noticed something, your lens is clean mate? :)
[One (M9) General] Sashtheflash:
Another one in the swiss alps . Added a little 2 much of Drama. But i actually like it
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
lens protection...
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
Is there a reason to have a cover over it? I know Sapphire is brittle, but it's extremely scratch resistant
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
well its now affecting your photos mate, also sapphire will prevent scratches but it's actually more breakable than GG
[One (M9) General] StilsonCanyon:
I came from the M7 and it most definitely did not have OIS. I haven't shot video with my M9, but in my limited experience, the camera (as of the .30) firmware takes very good pictures, especially so with RAW mode. I will be headed to a music festival where I will certainly get the chance to do some video and low-light shooting. We'll see how it works out, but I'm kind of hoping the new firmware update lands on my phone before I leave.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
You sir are 100% incorrect. The M7 DOES have OIS. You will be as dissapointed as I am with the shaky fluctuating video this phone takes.
[One (M9) General] StilsonCanyon:
Sorry, you are correct and I am 100% incorrect, as the HTC web site indicates that it does have OIS.

I never got very good results from my M7, and so far I have been able to get good (at times great) results with the M9. I'll do some recording over the weekend and have a better idea of the video capabilities then.

Today my 64GB micro-sd arrives, so RAW photos will be all I shoot from here on out. :D
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
try this one

should disable noise reduction system wide

persist.camera.qcwnr.enabled=0

Some others

Temporal Noise Reduction this affect video afaik

Supported values

on,off

persist.camera.tnr.preview=off

persist.camera.tnr.video=off
[One (M9) General] LeeDroid:
What a great shot!
[One (M9) General] clsA:
Hey Lee you considering adding any of [MENTION=377973]defcomg[/MENTION] build.prop tweaks to your Rom ? (the post above yours ?) Maybe add them as an Aroma option :D
[One (M9) General] sephstyler:
I would enable in aroma in a heartbeat
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
HTC One M9 sharpness setting comparison - updated camera code, base 1.40.x

We will try to decide the recommended sharpness and resolution settings for the new base, thanks to [MENTION=1792279]ivicask[/MENTION] for providing the samples

First, a JPG100 hack which helps us conclude that HTC fixed JPG compression and its no longer causing damage to the image

HTC is now saving JPG quality at 95% by default which reduces filesize without compromising the image quality, JPG sub sampling is now in higher precision as wel

Resolution: Large

Resolution: Medium

Conclusions

First thing we realize is that HTC rightfully fixed JPEG compression for the Large size images on the M9 camera, they are now compressed without causing damage to the image, our comparison yesterday revealed a considerable increase in filesize over 1.32/1.36 base

Moving along to sharpness, the new algorithm now works in much higher precision revealing fine sub pixel detail, restoring what was lost in the denoise process, the sharpness on the previous base was considered broken as it was murky and unable to match sharpness by Photo-editing apps or the M9's competitors, the new code is a massive improvement and we can even see a very fine amount applied over sharpness -2 as well (tree leafs, printed car plate, edge detail)

One of the scene modes which will benefit greatly by the new sharpness is the HDR mode (as we dont have control in other scene modes) which used to mix two murky photos resulting in a very soft image lacking any detail, i fully expect HDR to be greatly improved, even RAW mode will benefit from the new improvement as the JPG companion of the DNG is now finally useful as well

Still; typical of HTC; values are pretty aggressive by default so while it restores immense detail to the image it's also adding a lot of artifacts and producing an unnatural look when viewed at 1:1 or even downscaled, for that we need a lower it a notch in auto mode

We can finally use the Resolution: Large for the M9 auto JPG mode, sharpness -2 is too soft and -1.5 is enough to restore a great amount of detail, higher than that and we start to see damage and added jaggies, switching to Medium mode will add some bilinear filtering and cleans the finally image, we can go a little higher in sharpness using medium resolution

Recommendations for the 1.40.x camera

Large Resolution: Sharpness -1.5 or -1 as maximum

Medium Resolution: Sharpness -1 or -0.5 as maximum

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[One (M9) General] mahdibassam:
Some shots from last weekend, taken by myself, a guy who loves taking photos, but is by no means a professional :)
[One (M9) General] StilsonCanyon:
Any idea when the 1.40.x firmware will make its way out to other regions? I have a M9 developer edition, so I am not tethered to AT&T (my sim provider) for updates. Hoping HTC will make this available to the US soon, as the improvements look great.
[One (M9) General] JohnCorleone:
Its a HUGE plus! I have around 20 full length mp4 movies on my micro-SD and still plenty of space for RAW photos. Once I delete the movies I don't really want anymore, I will never have a storage space issue!
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
What are you talking about? There's some real problem with the storage in this mobile.. IMHO :)
[One (M9) General] clsA:
That's a lot of music and photo's/videos ... you ever use Pandora or Plex ... might save you some space

with all the streaming services I don't keep hardly any music on my phone anymore (billboard top 100 sometimes)
[One (M9) General] Albert Poon:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

Great update! It is really delighting news as I am still planning to get M9+ or Butterfly 3 as they are both using the same sensor.

However I am so curious to know if we can get even better result with your recommendations plus certain build.prop tweaks? For instance, turning off EIS as first step and maybe some denoise tweak?
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Already two days as available in sunny Dubai..

What do you call those "streaming services" though? I have 10GB per month from Etisalat and under no circumstances I'll dare to break the limit as that shall simply eliminate my budget (and maybe even life.. :) j/k )

Anyhow musics are living in form of flac..
[One (M9) General] clsA:
I have never used over 4gb of data in one month, Streaming Pandora, Amazon Music, Google Play, and TuneIn radio no less than 4/6hrs a day

I do like to keep a few audio books on the device, and a top 100 current hits collection but those only take up about 10gb

I use a Samsung Pro 64gb and it's typically only half full.

I also keep my Dropbox account active and my photo's are sync to the cloud and my PC. So I delete alot of them from the phone periodically.
[One (M9) General] barabico:
U1 Vorgartenstrasse by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr

I was getting home from my second job at 4:30 in the morning and the city was so empty and cool

U1 Karlsplatz by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr

Old man at 4:30 in the morning by Hristo Hristov, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] neo905:
I have a hard time believing you can stream music for 4-6 hours a day for a whole month and not go over 4GB. Especially steaming at 320kbs. If I stream for 1-2 hours a day for a month I would easily get to 4GB.
[One (M9) General] clsA:
I'm taking work days M-F

I'm on wifi on the weekend

Just checked I have 7 days left and have used 2.7gb this month. And I'm off till Tuesday so only 3 working days left in this cycle. I'll barely go over 3gb this month
[One (M9) General] jauhien:
Music means FLAC + Neutron.. (if you're not a GNUSMAS user lol)..

P.S. There are so many interesting and needed services provided over IP protocol that wasting wasting precious monthly 10GB of DATA does not appear wise to me at all..

P.P.S. Then to use those strange services, you've mentioned, I need to purchase and to pay monthly - some (or many) WiFi accesses.. I paid SanDisk sd card once and since that day it is continuously working for me without any monthly subscription.. :)
[One (M9) General] trev23sks:
No edits ?
[One (M9) General] dlads:
The brightness and exposure at automatic values for me is well off.. It takes some appalling pics on automatic. I'm sure that the camera can come good but from what I've seen, out of the box vs the likes of the note 4 and the iPhone 6 ( my previous two phones)

What settings are people using to get the best out of the cam? Cheers..

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Some quality pics on here by the way
[One (M9) General] DjLukeW:
IMAG0192-2 by Luke Woodward, on Flickr

IMAG0179 by Luke Woodward, on Flickr

IMAG0188 by Luke Woodward, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Use auto focus when using the default auto mode otherwise you break exposure (centered metering)

In RAW mode you can manually select focus target because exposure is capped
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
belongs here as well, we can see, samples form the Taiwan only 1.40 base:

Issue:
1. Image is blur/oil painting and not sharp outdoor
2. Outdoor is yellowish

Fix: (verified)
1. Fine-tune ASF, ABF3 and WNR parameter to improve sharpness and denoise.
2. Modify directsun index from 140 to 70, and enlarge boundary from 8 to 14.
[One (M9) General] neo905:
Whenever I see all these comparison pictures I am reminded of that picture of that women's dress that went viral with respect to what colour it was.

There really needs to be a reference DLSR image so we actually know what colour the building in this case actually is. It would also help to see a crop from a DSLR camera as well just for a reference point.
[One (M9) General] dlads:
Yea I can have a play about. Just used to my phones doing the legwork when it comes to taking a quick snap.

Bit of a ball ache asking people to stand in a particular way or hold on while I tinker with my focus and exposure.

Hope they sort out the cameras auto abilities, its in dire need of it.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
What tinker? I advised the exact opposite, use auto focus, point and shoot, don't manually pick your focus...really on automatic exposure
[One (M9) General] dlads:
You advised me to do what I've already done. The pics I've taken and had issues with have been set up with everything on auto. Poor light management, too dark / light, over / under exposed pictures is the result. Using raw is pretty much the only way to get a decent pic out of the phone.

I have a thread in q and a with some uploaded pics showing exactly the issue and by doing what you have advised. As I said I need to have a tinker with the settings, out of the box the camera is shambolic, my other half took a pic in the same lighting on her s5 and the difference is immediately noticeable.

If you want to understand what I mean then see my thread in q and a should be near the top.
[One (M9) General] Teo032:
Just checked out your q&a thread. Imo it looks like you have a faulty phone.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
good news, the camera update will come before 5.1
[One (M9) General] neo905:
There is also a screen calibration feature that is being introduced where the user will be able to adjust the display to their preference. So you can make it warmer and cooler looking tones. That is actually pretty good.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...or-temperature-control-and-Guest-Mode_id69666
[One (M9) General] rizevnarastek:
Warmer means more red, colder means more blue... But what regulates the green?

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[One (M9) General] dlads:
There is nothing wrong with the phone, ive already checked with another handset in the same location, same model, different phone from a different part of the country. Same effect. Trust me the phone is fine. Its just the camera in certain lighting.

Have been taking some other pics and its certainly a very good camera once you know what to do with it, feels like I'm using a DSLR in regards to the settings (not the quality).

Either way I'm fine now, check the other pics I took in that thread, they're crystal clear. Just the auto sucks.
[One (M9) General] dlads:
Like I said, nothing wrong with the camera, took this last night.
[One (M9) General] davidtm0:
I guess how ecological it is! :p
[One (M9) General] DeadPotato:
You sir, have resumed the whole thread :) there are tricks here and there to get rid of some bugs but it's less exhausting to pick manual or RAW mode, setup and shoot. If you're on RAW and the ambient is fine is almost point and shoot anyway, corrections required are not so much
[One (M9) General] pwkim21:
Messing with the raw option.
[One (M9) General] dlads:
Erm, Thanks?

Never sure how to take it when people say sir, I know i'm happy with my camera now so, RAW or not it's all good now.
[One (M9) General] stevensgl:
Hi guys, I have a factory unlock one m9, but I still don't have 1.40.709.4 . The first thing i did when i got it was to upgrade to 1.32xxxx

Any news on when it's going to be available for these unlocked phones?

Many thanks!
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
Unedited JPG for Raw mode

Go to my flicker and check how much can we get out of this camera in such a low light situation :eek: am totally amazed and happy and raw mode is my daily driver and only way to go :D

https://flic.kr/p/tz3Sh1

https://flic.kr/p/sEnA9N
[One (M9) General] neo905:
In the first picture. What is that white dot on the far right near the middle? Is that a star or an artifact from the processing?
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Probably Venus/Jupiter
[One (M9) General] c5satellite2:
Both have been visible and not too far from each other recently.

Posted using xda app in 2-D
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Yeah i got both along with the moon is the same frame .

It would be awesome too see some astrophoto's from m9, while i'm on that subject how does an image of max iso max slow shutter speed of stary night sky look like on the m9:confused:
[One (M9) General] c5satellite2:
That's gonna need a tripod....

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[One (M9) General] One Twelve:
Needs a shutter of at least 30s, see

this

.

Otherwise you could do star trails but that requires a way to automate a shot every few minutes and then software to combine the photos.

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Very nice but is there a way to get those building straight as in vertical. If you angle the phone when taking the shot you get perspective distortion.

if you don't do it you can't get the shot ? maybe you can, step back a bit and try to take it from higher up. watch

this

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