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[One (M9) General] Jaa-Yoo:
Wow, the HTC videos look like dog sh!t with all that shaking...no OIS. :eek:

I, like many others will be content with whatever image improving software updates HTC will provide, but i gotta say, im extremely disappointed with what im seeing so far. How much can optimized software processing help with video stabilization?
[One (M9) General] vegetaleb:
Well if you don't care about the M9 photo quality why commenting in this topic????

If you are happy with the M9's camera just prove it in posting photos , until now the M9 proved to never produce good photos in the 2015 standards of high priced luxury flagship
[One (M9) General] xxquicksh0txx:
The Z3 doesn't have OIS, it's entirely digital. HTC could implement it if they wanted.
[One (M9) General] BR7fan:
I can purposely take crap photos and videos as well. This offers no proof what so ever. I'll wait till an actual person on the boards shows what this thing can do and not do..
[One (M9) General] Jaa-Yoo:
Then i really hope they do.

These days, raw specs arent what sell phones, its user experience and like it or not, cameras are part of the user experience now. HTC keep missing the mark with this part of the user experience, just like Samsung keep missing the mark with another part of user experience...the UI...with that garbage they call touchwiz.
[One (M9) General] th3:
Top 25 review sites are all paid noobs.

Oh my...

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[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
At least a few stuff here is about software, two of the phones are using sonys sensors and only one of those used the hardware any good, and that ain't Sony :) Anti shake stuff are purely software and I though that it was possible on the one? Anyway, I thought it was going to be worse, comparing to the Sony it was good I think. WB and spot? Focus is out of order but on my phone at least I rather have the one than Sony :)

Sent from a mobile gadget...
[One (M9) General] dondavis007:
Please, let's go back to why we're here, cameras, pics and tricks.

Bring them on folks!
[One (M9) General] RSK01:
Random shots after denoise mod. Look at the details of the rivets!!! I took a similar photo with my new Sony RX100 Mk4 (1 inch sensor F1.8 lens)- the details are similar in bright daylight photos.
[One (M9) General] xchrisj:
What a difference

So I tried the mod and all I can say is wow. I had pretty much given up on taking low light photos with the m9 but the mod is amazing. Thanks
[One (M9) General] B.K.Q:
Edited with VSCO & Photoshop express

Orignal files

http://i.imgur.com/kkQIvLl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nv5nV7t.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Cr5Px9S.jpg
[One (M9) General] Mostafa Wael:
Man these are hell of pics

Nice landscapes! I think i might make a wonderful theme out of one of these :good:

I see you live in an arab country, where do you live ?
[One (M9) General] B.K.Q:
Thank you Mostafa

I'm glad that you liked these pics

Yes , I live in Saudi Arabia
[One (M9) General] RSK01:
Sorry for the previous post, too difficult to post Flickr photos on mobile. Here's the rest:

M9 - After HW denoise mod by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 - Penang Bali Hai Seafood Dinner by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 - HW denoise mod - night indoor by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Green Lamborghini - HTC M9 Auto by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Green Lamborghini - HTC M9 Auto by Yik Lim, on Flickr

White Porsche - HTC M9 Auto by Yik Lim, on Flickr

White Porsche - Flickr Bleached - HTC M9 Auto by Yik Lim, on Flickr

White Lexus - Flickr Graphite - HTC M9 Auto by Yik Lim, on Flickr

M9 - Manual PSX - TheBlues Filter - KLCC Malaysia by Yik Lim, on Flickr

HTC M9 - Manual - Ramen Store by Yik Lim, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
all taken by A9 RAW mode
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
no details, everything is washed out

htc changed nothing
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
the amount of noise at iso 87 is insane im starting to think something might be wrong with htc iso accuracy

IMAG0182-1 by defcomk, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Guys the photos look better on the amoled screen which is why half the press are impressed plus less chance of hand motion thanks to OIS, that is all, they reduced the aggressive denoise in their processing but everything else remains the same, they botched the advertised RAW auto enhance, its working over the jpeg lol

Also many reviewers didn't fall for the trick and criticized the camera, the sensor is aging as well I have it in my M8 eye

I know imOJ is excited about his new phone but its overhyped for nothing I much prefer the OIS+IR+PDAF IMX230 on the M9+ supreme or for that matter the ultrapixely OIS+IR OV13860 combo on the OnePlus 2, in fact I prefer RAWs from the M9

Sorry mates but HTC is fooling no one here
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
The M10 has to use this image-sensors-world.blogspot.co.za/2015/11/omnivision-announces-16mp-45fps-fast.html?m=1

Or go all out imx 204 , imx194 www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/IS/sensor2/products/
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] i am excited about the phone yes, but not so much about the camera, i told you that day i am still testing thats why i am posting here and there, but believe me, i had this phone for 10 days maybe, every photo i take is better than the M9, not so much, but if you keep looking you will see the A9 is less washed, handled dynamicR better, and more sharper, in fact, sometimes i shoot in both with tripod, and guess what, the A9 is getting far distance text sometimes better than the M9 which has 20mp (shooting in full size crop 10:7)

anyway, lets come to our important thing, i am trying hard to buy the m9+ supreme camera, i went to Taiwan stores, auto translate from googles chrome but it required many things, in fact i was looking for it be4 the A9

lest buy it and will do some crazy tests here.;);)

does anyone know a safe place to order it
[One (M9) General] starbase64:
Lumia with Toshiba Sensor = great pics

HTC M9 with same Sensor = washed out pics

result: htc software is bad
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
yes like i said, HTC is smudging less with the A9 and the reason has nothing to do with your tripod, they have OIS and so its calibrated for higher exposure times in auto than the M9
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
i am using tripod to get the 100% stable shot pics for both, you didnt use the A9, the OIS is not always helping with shakey hands. and i dont want to have single doubt that one of them moved during the capture

alos i have tested manual mode with same exp time, with tripod to help the M9

now tell me do you know from where i can buy M9 plus supreme camera
[One (M9) General] sallam5010:
median stack

median by Sma Sma, on Flickr

processed dng

processed dng by Sma Sma, on Flickr

i shot 9 Raws and blended them on PS using median stack ! sweet :D
[One (M9) General] defcomg:
Nice

try shoot 18 raws well two sets of images . seems part of image was cropped so shoot raw panorama 9 images then pan a bit to the building so second set of images overlap halfway with first
[One (M9) General] Snookers:
Taken on the old 1.32 base
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
HTC A9 vs Xperia Z5 premium , as i said earlier, the xperia z5 failed to handle the indoor lighting sources, you end up with lights leaked all over the objects which also result with insane noise, i really dont understand why every press mention this z5 as one of the best cameras out, with my dad G4 i hit the Z5 in every single photo indoor and night, only day photos is where the Z5 is competing and there is no surprise here cus M9 is also competing, you may tell me lower your EV or ISO and you might get the same result in the Z5, we i tried everything, if you do this you will get extremely dark photo with horrible noise again

Z5 premium auto

A9 auto

A9 HDR with 16:9 crop

not saying A9 is amazing, but is Z5 really the best camera around if preforming vs average camera like A9 this way???

please note that my brother on the right was moving a bit during A9 shooting
[One (M9) General] kolembo:
These don't look bad at all....

I really had been looking forward to getting the M9.

I still might. ...
[One (M9) General] iggdawg:
It's actually pretty great for pics when used right. and the recent camera mod makes it even better/easier to use right.
[One (M9) General] kolembo:
[MENTION=4070944]iggdawg[/MENTION] thanks for that.

I really waited for this phone so when it came it, I can't lie, I was so angry with them for not seizing the moment. I was so looking forward to a really fresh d design, built as well as they had been doing, it was theirs to take.

Anyway, I'm over my disappointment and I saw it the other day and it is still a very well made phone.

I fear I've been spoiled by the spectacular screens and camera of the new Samsung's however, I can't help wanting an HTC in my hand - I had waited so long.

I'm not sure I can do an HD phone now - the M9+ looks very good spec wise, it was just the camera I was worried about. From what I see here, there's nothing wrong with it! Anyway, I'll have a think about it.

What has it been like living with? I mean that 'extra' feeling of being with a phone you like to handle? Specs are just specs, as long as it's not rubbish, I'm interested in that 'feel in hand and heart' business that comes with a well crafted phone.

Has it lasted well? I noticed that the phone looks like it's been placed onto of it's back - there's a lip all around. Does it collect dirt? Does the metal hold up to everyday use? Does the glass scratch? Is it well balanced?

Anyway, thanks for the reply, do you have to work hard to get pictures like these? Why were people complaining if this it's what their getting, these images are perfectly acceptable.

Oh, and how is the theme engine? I find myself tinkering with my look once a week and that was one of the things I found interesting about this phone.

Ok, I'll stop rambling now! Just seriously thinking about getting a set, now that the prices had settled a little.
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
Some say it would be smart thing to buy M9 now after some healthy updates which took the device to a decent level.

I would say it's stupid thing to buy it now, what htc is doing with its devices now is proof that M9 was a huge mistake without OIS and many things.

M10 is on the edge and the wait is nearly over, the M9 is a device of an xda agent, spending 24hr on learning tricks to reduce sharpness and cap iso and so on, I would say wait there is huge chance htc will make these by default like the A9, also M10 will have android M and fingerprint sensors. Just wait is the right thing I would say.

If you consider the half price then you are right it's good device.
[One (M9) General] kolembo:
[MENTION=7012021]imOJ[/MENTION] thanks.

Actually, I did consider waiting for the M10 but I don't know what to expect there! Have YOU enjoyed your M9?
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
No, at all, I suffer of heats first 3 months or more, then with minor update it get better but suffer of freeze charging needs to be restarted to fix it, but when the major update came on August it went to very good level specially in responsive, it's good device now actually but as you read my said, do you think any user will go through this will be enjoyed.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
yes for you because you were there from the start, you struggled

for a new buyer, the discount and software version running today, its a better deal than the A9 and very enjoyable, i think its still the fastest android device this year

and MM is around the corner
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
He asked me did you enjoy, and I said my experience. Even if MM around the corner I still recommend to wait for M10, if M9 was with OIS I wouldn't recommend even to upgrade to M10, because I expect huge improvement on MM in addition to the current very good condition

And yes, I agree M9 is the fastest android not only now, but ever
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
exactly the thing to keep in mind about the M9 is low light will never be good outside manual mode and RAW, because it lacks the hardware support without OIS or laser focus it's hopeless and no update will fix that
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
What about day and indoor photos do you expect any improvement in MM for the M9?
[One (M9) General] nbicho:
Well, regarding night shots, I've took this last weekend and their seem very nice to me...

I'm no expert at all, just used manual mode and played with exposure time.

I have HW mod and no EIS
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
i hope they moderate the processing like they did on the A9

but that will only mean that the quality will approach our tweaks and mod thats it

i was so looking forward their advertised Auto Enhance for RAW but me and you know that they botched that on the A9, i tweeted it to the guy in HTC lets hope they fixed it

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yup like i said Manual and RAW are the only way to go for the M9 and low light

for some reason the shutter will not blur the shot in these modes, in auto mode the shutter is just too fast, so fast that it oftens captures the moment you pressed the button and hence blur the shot, if HTC noticed that as well we can hope it have been solved in MM but i seriously doubt
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
iPhone 6 auto

A9 auto

iPhone 6 vs A9 - both taken exactly same time at 6 PM

iPhone 6 - Auto-untouched extreme Low Light

A9 - Auto

iPhone 6 - HDR extreme Low Light

A9 - HDR extreme Low Light

my sister was so angry and seems to start to hate iPhone :laugh:
[One (M9) General] tc3sean:
beautiful, are those shots from florence Italy? Looks really familiar.
[One (M9) General] nbicho:
Yup, one of them is from the Ponte Vecchio, Firenzi and the other 2 are from the Basilica di San Pietro, Roma.

Awesome places! :):good::cool:
[One (M9) General] tc3sean:
[MENTION=1513605]nbicho[/MENTION] I knew! it I took photos from the center of that very bridge facing south this past summer on a europe vacation. I have so many good pictures, but too bad I took them with my SG3.

Rules:
[One (M9) General] p50kombi:
Festival of light at our end of the woods..

Not bad for a phone everyone puts down...

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[One (M9) General] imOJ:
Wonderful indeed

Not bad sounds average and honestly these photos are very good and some of them are great

I am no expert at cams but I read a lot

When I shoot with A9, xperia-z5, iPhone I still go back to M9

The Manual camera is stunning

I don't know but I still think M9 can be better if the sw tuned a bit

The RAW photos which I take in M9 sensor more focused, better quality and just unmatched with any phone I use in manual, if you use tripod you will beat any smartphone day and night with M9 RAW

I have learned one thing also, the A9 auto/hdr mode photo process is not normal specially at night, it process cenimatic polished eye catching photos with blue sky crispy lights and more,(check my above comparison with the iPhone 6. A9 WAS IN AUTO and HDR and in both it beat the iPhone everything, less noise, better light source dimming more details, and magic process which gives them a look like been processed for Ads purposes

It gives me hope that M10 would be fantastic

HTC know how to play now, Good camera+ amoled saturated display and cinematic process. Enough to fool 99% of dumb press and 90% of users

The M9 still my premier phone and A9 is the secondary, but every time I find my self lying with M9 if taking RAW pictures as I rely more on its RAW pictures, I don't know but I feel that I can do much more process on M9 RAW photos than A9 RAW
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
A9 RAW processed by PSX

link to PSX Playstore https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.psmobile
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=7012021]imOJ[/MENTION] same with my OP2, auto vs auto it destroys the M9, yet raw comes out really special from M9, much better color data, some of my processed RAW are DSLR like
[One (M9) General] amarryat:
Still an HTC fan, but we shouldn't have to jump through hoops to take a picture. I switched to the LG V10 a few weeks ago. What a camera. It works. I just take a pic and it's great. I'm waiting for the M10 next.
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
Yes exactly, but in A9 auto vs auto it destroy the M9 in night photos not only because of ois and longer shutter capabilities but also in image processing, maybe htc only able to do this if the photo is taken with OIS.

Have a look to my photos against iPhone 6, A9 produces similar photos to LG G4 at low light, I tried my father LG G4 couple of times. It's stunning camera I regret I didn't try RAW in G4 :( it's gone now he gave to someone when he received his z5 premium.

My only dislike about the LG camera is sometimes it takes unbalanced exposure photos. I have 3 or photos to explain this. I will try to post when I reach my office
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
Here is what I mean

despite that my brother was blinking :) on the left of the photo the sunny area is totally blownout.

This happen oftentimes at day time, LG G4 gives you the impression that you can just pan and shoot, and suddenly you end with some photos like this in your gallery.

I tried it myself and found this, and then checked my father gallery and found some photos in same situation.

I personally think this is where gs6 shine. It's more better camera in most conditions. What I mean is:

if G4 or M9 would beat Gs6 in certain conditions, gs6 will be very good and satisfying in this condition (it will not be bad)

But if gs6 beat M9 or G4 in certain situations, they will both look very bad.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Hehe comparing the poor M9 auto camera to the V10 is like comparing a mustang to a Tesla, futile! :)

I hope the M10 will bring HTC back on track but I am not too hopeful, A9 is not a good sign, the M9+ supreme is maybe a better sign
[One (M9) General] Mostafa Wael:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] [MENTION=7012021]imOJ[/MENTION]

Ok, since i have the hardware denoise mod, i get some stunning photos in daylight in auto mode. But i struggle a bit in low light, i get good pics though, but i think it may get much better if i took a RAW pic and modified it in PSX

My settings in RAW are ISO100 + Large 10:7

Can you shed some light on the "shutter speed" tunable and the processing you do in PSX ? Thanks a lot :)
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
Don't stick to fixed shutter speed in low light, I adjust mine according to the low light level, if it's too dark I do 2s

For me I try to get the shoot using the minimum iso but in very dark situation you can adjust it up depends on the result you get

It's much better if u Use Tripod in lowlight shooting,

You need to adjust the focus manually if you set the shutter speed certain low levels. I set it it to maximum (the landscape icon)

In PSX it will ask you to buy some filters like reduce noise, don't or it just sign in to Google account and you will be able to get redues noise by free.

I use clarity half or 60

18-21 sharpness

50-65 reduce noise

Then if the photo contains lights you can use highlights button to dim these lights sources, you can use (shadow) to bring some dark areas to light

I don't use contrast but at the end of any tuning I try it sometime lowering contract can brighten the photo. If no just leave it

Finally on the right vibrance button

I give lowlight photos a touch of deep color 15-20 is enough depends on your taste.

Those are my setting but it can differ from a person to another

I am sure you can do better

Good luck

extreme low light RAW by M9, in this photo it was so dark that i couldnt see what i am shooting, and still M9 gain that stunning focus when done
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
i would say they are both good signs, in fact i am still looking to buy the m9+ Aurora edition, saw some photos and just want to test it, didn't find it online or in Dubai, its very rare and found it only on Taiwanese web sites which needs translating and Taiwan ID, its complicated

iPhone 6

iPhone 6 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr

A9

htc one A9 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr

iPhone 6

iPhone 6 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr

A9

htc one A9 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr
[One (M9) General] jaskarandhanju:
i used 9 raw photos. in PS. I used camera raw 9.1.1 to stitch 3x3x3 HDR then resulted 3 images to panorama. The original 23mb file http://1drv.ms/1T0eedY
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=7012021]imOJ[/MENTION] for someone in constant praise of the A9, its surprising how much fun you are having with the M9 RAW ;)

its a real shame that we dont have a way to match them in auto mode, goes to show that the sensor despite the low SNR is very good when coupled with good processing

even compared to my OP2 RAW which is a vastly more superior camera, the M9 RAW file has much better color data to work with, the OV sensor results are more tinted

can i give you a tip? try to always level your horizon and geometry in the shot, tilted shots are no go it should be perfectly flat

i find this your best shot so far, i love the focus on the dashboard and the DOF on the mountains:
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
Hehehe [emoji1]

Many of my touches are mainly done after reading your tips, along with other friends here

For the M9 I said it [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

I said that M9 is giving me much better results than A9 RAW

I honestly think that M9 sensor with OIS and similar A9 tuning would be a beast.

I am hopeful that if htc nailed imx214 this impressive way.

This means they finally know what to do.

Maybe they've hired new team.

I am personally surprised that A9 is doing good job with the iPhone as you see in my earlier post. In most day photos it beat iPhone 6.

And in night there is no comparison.

Did anyone of us expect that? No personally I didn't

by the way [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] this above shot is by A9 RAW :)

link to flickr https://flic.kr/p/ALGNeV
[One (M9) General] NightShrimp515:
I hear about PSX a lot. Does it require root? If not where can I get it?
[One (M9) General] nbicho:
PSX it's Adobe Photoshop Express and you can get it on Google Play for free. It doesn't require root.
[One (M9) General] jaskarandhanju:
i have tried some third party apps on HTC one m9. i was amassed by its raw performance. It can shoot 4k at 60fps and 1080p at 23fps with 88 mbit/s with third party apps. The quality of the video is also batter as compared to stock video app. You can get batter frame rate then me cause video was shoot indoors only for testing as it use very low iso results in slightly less fps but overall batter quality. The hardware of the phone is capable but the only restriction is the software.
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
Lets go back to posting photos shall we?
[One (M9) General] imOJ:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] yes let's do it

M9

htc one M9 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr

A9

htc one A9 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr

Xperiaz5

SONY XPERIA-Z5 by Omran Jumah, on Flickr

anyone agree here that M9 is beating both in this ultralow light auto mode :D, wasnt going to pul it out of my pocket, but i said hey why dont we put it on the test and boom:D

i also think that A9 is better than Z5 not overall in this pic, but look at the car, and the 24ATM Room, also look at the interlock flooring in the bottom of the photo, its color is washed out in z5, its better on A9, and way better in M9 :D

there is a tree also in the back of ATM room, it can be seen better in A9, bit better in M9, disappeared in Z5

again this makes me appreciate the work htc has done in M9 Camera update, its unreal

if its sony, they will not bother, theyll just release new z and call it +
[One (M9) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=7012021]imOJ[/MENTION] sigh i wanted to keep dicussion out of this thread, we have another threead for camera disucssion, in here we should just post photos

anyway you need to inspect your photos at 1:1 bro, in that case you can see the M9 EIS kicked in your photos (it will always do, almost impossible not to in low light auto mode) and the A9 is providing the sharpest image at the expense of higher luma noise, extremely similar to our HW mod for M9 as for Z5 all the hype is pfff but i think the focus failed on your shot