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[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] hdubli:
Can we all look into the possibility of using a bluetooth keyboard..I think it will b a very useful companion with Athena :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] weareborg:
Cheers guys. I'll probably end up using my Think Outside BT keyboard which has served me well over the past couple of years. It seems a waste to use it though when you have a magnetic keyboard which also doubles as a screen protector.. and its another thing to carry and have spare batteries for.. I hope they introduce a more tactile feedback into future revisions..

I don't think I'd mind the fact that the number keys are not on the top row. Its an inconvenience but means more room for qwerty (and I'm used to it from the E61 layout).

Speaking of room..

Advantage looks just a little too cramped for 2 handed typing effectively so are you guys holding it like a thumbboard or huntin'/peckin' with two fingers while it lays flat on a desk..?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] zwuncki:
it's very, very tough to hold it like thumbboard (as I said before) , so most of the time I use it while it lays flat on a desk (which should be high enough to see the whole screen while typing because of the bad angle).
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mysticbluebmw:
I really dislike the keyboard, since it has absolutely no tactile feedback. It's very odd to type, and I make many errors. It was even nicer, and faster using the keyboard that came with my Cingular 8525, and I dislike Thumbboards. It does make a good stand when watching media, though!:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Digital.Diablo:
I don't mind the keyboard for occasional use - you certainly wouldn't want to type an essay on it, but a quick e-mail, txt or even a forum post doesn't stress too much. Its easier than the soft keyboard on the screen anyway.

The bits that I don't like, are:- the telephone dial button is in the wrong place (top left) - I'll quite often start dialing someone, just because ive caught the button by accident as I'm holding the device up.

And sometimes it can get the caps lock stuck on, and I cant work out a consistent way of turning it off (usually a press of the dot, then the caps key does it, but not always).

Other than that, not too bad.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Pyrofer:
They keyboard sucks. The key spacing is all wrong. I continualy hit the wrong letter. For a good touch typist this is torture.

The lack of numbers it pathetic too. The universal fitted a considerably better keyboard into it.

The good thing? There is nothing to stop people making replacement keyboards!

I want a keyboard that works better as a screen protector, because if I dont use that stupid leather wallet, everytime I put it in my pocket, the keyboard slips off and scratches the screen itself.

Now, I look like something out of the 1980's with a huge leather filo-fax thing.

A good keyboard would be complete case, with flip up screen protector (or slide up) and a kb that flips around from the back (the contacts are wired such that its always connected when not totally flat on the back) meaning you can have it at any angle.

Hinge the KB at the bottom corners and screen protector at the top corner. It could be a complete life saver.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] jlingo:
ok the keyboard in Athena is completely useless. Universal one is much better. I made so much typing error because I had to press hard on the keyboard. It is not responsive enough. Whenever I wanted to type fast, I kept on missing a character such as the A character. Even my Fitaly soft keyboard is 3x better.

It is annoying having to carry keyboard all the time because you need that to keep U1000 in the leather casing closed nicely together. but that is about it.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
I too agree that the keyboard is next to useless. I've been using it purely as a way to hold up the unit at home, so that it looks like a PC instead of the screen lying flat. I still much prefer to use the enlarged on-screen keyboard. For more specialised typing such as word documetn, I have my Full Screen Kyboard activated hardware button that was once used for starting the browser. In that way, I can alway call up the Full Screen Keyboard anytime I need.

I don't actually carry my keyboard around. I've designed and made a belt pouch myself (yes, using my old notebook carrying case's materials) which can either take both the unit and keyboard or just the keyboard. In either case, I don't put the leather case into my pouch. It works very well for me.

At home, I would like to look for either a BT or USB keyboard.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] cornelius:
Hmmm....

But for me athena keyboard still useful even not as good as universal one. But i still can feel it...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] inframan:
Actually I kinda like it.

Its better than I expected it to be. Rarely misses a key when I'm typing. I'm coming at this from keyboardless pdas though so can't compare with other smartphones (except Nokia 9300 which was ok but I actually think this is better.)

Its certainly handy having it there and it makes the pda sturdy when you want it sat up just to see the screen while playing music, watching movies etc.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] jeffharris:
I think all the above comments on the keyboard, the some good, and the some bad, are valid.

That being said, I do not think it's a deal breaker to not get the Athena. In addition, it can't be a deal breaker, as there are no alternatives. Yes, if all other things were remaining equal, and there was another device identical, except for a better keyboard, I'd obviously opt for it, even at a higher cost.

But, I LOVE the Athena. It is the portable computing device (plus GPS) that I've been hoping for. And I use in in CONJUNCTION with another phone (a Blackberry Pearl, for now). Comparing it to TyTN or the like, are too different. It runs faster than handheld pocket PCs, seems more stable, and quite frankly, when you mix too much usage at one time, like a phone, GPS, and PocketPC, is too much for any device. This is a PC with 3g data first, then maybe a GPS, and THEN a phone.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Calavaro:
I have no complaints. I use it a good 3-4 hours a day instead of my laptop. It's good for emails and simple word/excel editing. Makes me able to sneak about without anyone noticing.

It could have had a little more tactile feedback, but the lack of it makes it dead quiet instead, which in my opinion is a wonderful thing.

I'm sure someone will make use of the extra space between keys... ie moving the main keys closer together and adding a numeric keypad somewhere in there. I wouldn't mind.

Perhaps make them round, and with a groove in the middle of each key so when the keys are tightly put together you still have high accuracy speed typing.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Moskus:
I'm used to the Wizard and Hermes, and they both have keyboards that give a little more response than Athenas keyboard. However, I see that this also is a good idea if you want to use the keyboard when you are en a meeting or in a lecture, or whereever you are where you have to be quiet.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] jlingo:
anyone has tried Thinkoutside bluetooth keyboard with U1000 yet?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Moskus:
No, but I have tried the Freedom Keyboard (www.freedomkeyboard.com), and it works perfectly. :)

It's a little smaller than a normal qwerty-keyboard so it takes a little to get used to it, but I think it is rather good.

The Stowaway Travel Mouse also works perfectly. :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Pyrofer:
If we are gonna go for Bluetooth keyboards, try the Apple PRO full qwerty kb. Its nice. I used it on my Nokia770, and my XDAII easily.

Not tried on the Athena, but no reason it shouldnt work. Great for using when you are at home/office for typing. Just dont expect to carry it around.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Moskus:
Then why not just use a regular USB keyboard and the 4-in-1 cable? ;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Pyrofer:
dont have 4in1 cable?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Moskus:
Ah, right!

But isn't the 4-in-1 cable and a USB keyboard cheaper than the Apple bluetooth keyboard?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mahjong:
I'm using Blackberry mail and SMS a lot in my Athena and the keyboard for me is great. OK... It's my first PDA with keyboard since Treo 600 days so I haven't too much to compare with but as I told before I use it on daily bases without any problem.

8 over 10 for me.... could be even smaller.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Pyrofer:
"But isn't the 4-in-1 cable and a USB keyboard cheaper than the Apple bluetooth keyboard?"

Yes, but if you already own the keyboard....

I bought the KB for my PC, and one day it stopped working with XP. No idea why.

Went back to a wired KB on my PC anyway now, so i use this one for PDA's and the like. It even works with some phones.

BT Keyboards are a laugh, get a small one, borrow a friends phone..... Pair them up and get it working.

Hang around when he is next typing a text message.. Have fun!

"Argh, my phone keeps deleting what I type!, oh, now its talking to me! its alive!"
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Moskus:
Hehehe! I never thougth about this! I'll give it a try! :D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] eaglesteve:
If I'm the designer in HTC, this is how I would have designed the Dopod U1000 keyboard: (Let's call this version 1, and hopefully you can come up with even better design....V2, V3 etc)

Number of keys for the keyboard - This will be a 50 keys keyboard for the following reasons:

1) Length of keyboard: Must be limited to only 10 keys. If you squeeze in more keys, they will be so small that you can’t use them.

2) Depth of keyboard, still limited to 5 rows of keys.

In order to minimize typing mistakes and easy to use,

1) Key layout to be as similar to the normal computer keyboard as possible.

2) Numeric keyboard to be as close as possible to existing computer keyboard as well as cater to it being a phone’s numeric keyboard.

3) All characters as well as special characters should be either typed as it is, or in conjunction with the shift key. Special function key should be used only for numbers and number related operators.

This is what I've got so far:

Comments:

Key pressed on its own

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How is it different from existing U1000 keyboard?

1) Row zxcvbnm has shifted one position to the left, which is how it should have been. The existing layout causes problem to touch typing.

2) One additional button is put at the top row for file explorer. The present design requires Fn+ right arrow to activate file explorer. Having 10 keys also allows a row of numbers to be introduced.

Pressed with the shift key

===================

How is it different from existing U1000 layout?

1) Other than numbers related operators such as + - * / and the closely related \, all symbols such as @#$%&’”_{}:;?!() could all be accessed via the shift key. When typing word document these symbols are normally required and you can complete the whole document without having to use the Fn key. In contrast, the existing U1000 design requires normal key, shift key, and Fn key to be used. It is very confusing and unnatural.

Pressed with the Fn key

==================

Users who prefers the phone numeric keypad can use the one on the left, while for normal numeric operation, it is the one on the right that we instinctively go for.

What do you think of this design? If we have enough people liking this, we should forward this to HTC as user feedback for them.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Nara-e-Mastana:
^very creative :)
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rotondo:
I'm using twrp 2.8.5.0 and I'd like to format my partitions to F2FS.

How I do?

I format all partitions or only system??

In wipe options has a FS Options

Did I select the partitions then select it?
[General Questions and Answers] PoPDieTy:
I want another OS for my BLU Studio 5.5S, I was wondering if It would be okay for me to install CyanogenMod even thou it says that it's not a supported device.

Also, is Cyanogen the best one? Seems really popular. :confused:

Android Version 4.2.2

Jelly Bean
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
I have Samsung Galaxy duos s2 - GT-S7582 unrooted device. When I try to enter Download mode (vol down+power+menu) its bringing me to an unknown screen -

i tried all options and seemed like the secret codes u write in android phone that let u test ur device as u see from factory mode menu

and this my device Barcode info from it's back side

and when i press on (vol up+power+menu) , that menu show to me

when i choose Recovery mode

and when i go to fast mode that show to me

i think about Samsung Edit Download mode and made a CWM for made update and apply Roms from SD cards .... anybody have any idea about this issue!!!!

i want root my device and put a lighter version from Rom becoz current Rom froze and stopped working sometimes

plz any body help or ask developers cuz my big bro got a new samsung galaxy s4 and when i tried go to download mode same screen!!!!

also one last issue .... i download KIES from samsung website and the program cant detect my device but it can detect other devices got Download mode!!!!

thx
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
according to this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1849235

and this

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s2/orig-development/04-12-2012-universal-rooting-phones-rom-t1746794

this may help us ..... i hope u ( [MENTION=4666971]Phil3759[/MENTION] http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=4666971 ) help us

thx
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] mawfaw:
speedman2202

speedman2202

did you solve your problem, can you help me i have the same problem exact for samsung gt-s7582 as your pictures

thanks alot
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] hamed19:
my galaxy s duos device turn off and not turn on

hi, i have same issue,

I think this is a china device

i flashed this ("needrom . com/download/samsung-gt-i9500-mt6572-s00-mt6589-is-fake") rom with sp flash tool then my device turn off and not turn on.

I've tested a lot of ROM but sp flash tool error:

i need a rom and Especially a PreLoader for Galaxy s duos mt6572

Thanks for helping me,
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
as u see not yet , but the main problem the phone come with it's own recovery and no chance to get into download mode .... for root and upgrade device , i am not very professional in android staff but my phone is orginally from Samsung company , maybe another version but the brand is samsung , i find an solution but i dont want test it on my device till an developer tells me if will work or not as u see the 2nd post i do is an tool for root the Recovery 3e , so i wont try it till someone tell me if gonna work or not ..... maybe if i getting pissed off i will f***in mess with my phone and throw it to hell :\

go to download mode and apply factory reset and format internal emmc .... i think it should work ( Vol down + power +home screen button)

try it

good luck
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
hello guys

now i am free to focus on try solve this problem in Samsung's smartphones that u not able to go to download mode for root ur device , anyway i was about if we do Jtag to my device that will force it go to download mode but there is another way that go to download mode via adb , i tried it now but it just doing restart with this command "adb reboot download" but when i tried go to recovery with "adb reboot recovery" it going to the recovery version as above

so anyone have any other ideas besides what i say also anyway can mention any developer can help us for better understand??!!!

i will try later Jtag method ..... and i will keep on try find another solutions

thx
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
when i try go to download mode it's show me the recovery mode , i choose update from adb , then i apply this command "sideload XXX.zip"

it loaded till 68% and then stopped

any developer can help us ??!!! ... maybe the assignment of zip file packed conflict with the device!!!!

thx
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
i tried another Stock rom from sammobile but it stopped at 69% while loading
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] Renate:
Have you tried a regular adb push to the sdcard and then an update from the sdcard?
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] shahid14:
I have Samsung galaxy s duos 2 gt-s7582

when i press vol+down, home button and power button it shows dead android with red triangle and when i press vol+up, power and home button it shows me the options like factory mode full test , item test ,clear emmc and reboot and when i only press power button it opens but stucks on samsung logo

---------- Post added at 05:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:12 PM ----------

I have Samsung galaxy s duos 2 gt-7582

when i press vol+down, home button and power button it shows dead android with red triangle and when i press vol+up, power and home button it shows me the options like factory mode full test , item test ,clear emmc and reboot and when i only press power button it opens but stucks on samsung logo
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] shahid14:
I have Samsung galaxy s duos 2 gt-s7582

when i press vol+down, home button and power button it shows dead android with red triangle and when i press vol+up, power and home button it shows me the options like factory mode full test , item test ,clear emmc and reboot and when i only press power button it opens but stucks on samsung logo
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
the problem is the signature of the ZIP file , how to paybass android system recovery 3e signature??!!!

that's the problem , and i have good news ..... i have root my phone now and i can access to the device system files ..... but i need to change the recovery system to cwm or any other one and re-flash the latest stock rom or better custom one ....

for being how i root my phone .... there is a program named "iRoot" i download it and connect my phone to it then apply root and it seemed like cant verified if rooted or not but i tried file explorer and i can access to system files finally :D :D

i am working on change the current recovery ( still working and figure out how) and then i will apply to update the latest stock rom , all i need get the right cwm for my phone and change it from recovery file ..... or i can pay bass verification signature file via this , i want u have a look

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=909213

sry for being replay late .... happy see u again :)

press vol down+home+pwr

and it will take to u the recovery mode .... go to recovery mode and then do hard reset or reset factory it will works with u

or check this thread

http://mobilehardreset.com/samsung-galaxy-s-duos-2-s7582-hard-reset/
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
final update:

i had tried CWM for the phone and flashy it by flashiry.apk and then i reboot the device i cant able get into recovery mode anymore .... just normal phone ... and i can contact with adb ..... but i cant get into download mode or recovery mode even via adb command

i tried this progam

http://gsmsolution24.blogspot.com/2013/09/samsung-300k-tool-to-force-enter.html

to force mobile go to download mode .... but can see the mobile and even also the KIES .... but the computer can see and open the phone and sd storage ...

device already rooted and i can get access to system files ..... i dont know what to do anymore :3 :3
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] shahid14:
stops at samsung logo

hi

dear I have Samsung galaxy s duos 2 gt-s7582 I faced some problem in my phone

1 ..... during its software update it failed to update and some times it showed android robot with red exclamation marks what I did I put my battery out of set and put it back again after some time it worked fine although it showed me android version is 4.2.2

2..... one day I kept its battery off and then I charged it after it stucks on Samsung logo for a unlimited time I went to shop to show its error the shopkeeper said its firmware is no more working I thought why not I to do its firmware after that from sammomobile I download its firmware

3....... when I press vol down + power and home button at the same time it shows the android robot with red exclamation mark it is unable to enter into odin mode

4...... when I press vol up+ home and power button then it shows me the options like factory mode like full test . item test . test report . clear Emmc and reboot

I said earlier that before this it is unable to do update and many time it showed me
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
do hard reset

http://mobilehardreset.com/samsung-galaxy-s-duos-2-s7582-hard-reset/

if not work ..... go to download mode and try to flash stock rom via odin
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] markevanvic:
Hello Friend can you please create a backup of your ROM using MTKDroid Tools to be used in SP-Flashtool, Looks like we have similar phone, I need a ROM right now my Phone is Dead.

Hoping for your help,

Thanks,

Mark

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About rooting this phone you can always used FRAMAROOT apk on this devices. or IROOT or KINGOROOT desktop software., This phone is a Samsung GT-S7582 Clone / Fake. or simply a China Device and not a Original GT-S7582

Regards,

Mark

---------- Post added at 03:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:40 AM ----------

To make backup of your phone you using method.

pinoyscreencast.net/how-to/get-full-rom-dump-stock-rom-mt6572-mediatek-smartphones-using-spft-mtk-droid-root-tools/

I hope this will help you guys.

Regards,

Mark
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
hello friend

i tried do backup by MTKDroid and i cant copy any thing .... always told me "failed to copy" but i got scatter file , i will attach it maybe it will help

try to do CWM , i need to flash it .... and there is one more thing , i cant flash/move/copy/del anything from phone although is rooted .... i dont know why??!!!

if u have any idea tell me .... here and check ur pm .... thx
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] markevanvic:
Hello,

Use the scatter file to make a backup ROM using SP-Flash Tool, Please look at the link I gave you for creating backup / Readback using SP-FlashTool, then GO back to MTKDroidTool to reimage the ROM created by the SP-Flashtool,

pinoyscreencast.net/how-to/get-full-rom-dump-stock-rom-mt6572-mediatek-smartphones-using-spft-mtk-droid-root-tools/

Thanks you,

Mark
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
i have good news for all the owners of this phone very soon :D :D

finally i installed CWM on my phone but still more time find some ways to root it correct and install custom rom safely ... thx to [MENTION=2769165]markevanvic[/MENTION]
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
guys , now i can root my device and have backup of my rom and i think it wont be break again ..... if anyone got device and got break pm me , i will help him to revive his phone and root his phone too .... as soon as i made a custom rom for my phone and test it i will made a full method to how root/revive ur phone from this kind ( dont have download mode)

and hey ,. the phone we own ( if u dont have download mode) is an fake unit and chinese one .... thx :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] superxx:
Hi Speedman2202,

I have the same issue. No download option (instead the red alert on android belly).

How have you managed to work it out and root and install the new roms?

Thank you
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] speedman2202:
hello , mate

i can tell u how to root ur phone ( if it a chinese/high copy/samsung clone phone)

first download MTK Droid tool and connect your phone and check on debugging mode in ur phone then u will find Root option in program then apply

but i can help u find custom rom or even stock rom cuz this is chinese and fake samsung phone , so plz dont try flash any custom rom cuz it wont work but if u want to try take backup via this tool

and last thing , as soon as u root ur phone u will have CWM in recovery mode that enable u flash anything

hope help u as much as i can , best regards
[Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2] s8801886133:
Hello bro..I too facing such problem. Tried MTK root tool but its not detecting my phone. Please suggest what I can do for this problem.

Thanks

Syed Ali