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[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Sprint's OTA is disabled with root or with out Knox. I rooted my daughter's S3 a week ago. Just used Odin to TWRP and flashed superuser. Chains asked if he could fight back and I said no. within 12 hrs Sprint sent an update and on reboot it was full un root. I was hoping if I was able to just put Superuser in that things would be manageable until I get 5.0.

If you have the stuff to unroot that would be awesome. It's impossible to say when I'll get the update. I can't get KIES to work on stock devices much less anything with root. Sprint doesn't use a serial number that samsung recognizes for a push. Does a Knox trip really void the Warranty if the phone is broken?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
Root/Knox trip voids warranty as far as Samsung is concerned. Sprint and other extended warranties may not check but it's a warning that gets reiterated often for non liability reasons.

Odin the stock tar is only true un-root method that should work to restore OTA updates but also Odin the lollipop stock tar, when available, would be an option many rooted users would choose.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
When I say root with stock ROM I don't mean install a ROM. I just want to have root control over apps. If I can just get super user unstalled things would be great. I"m lost where it comes to the knox though. and there seems to be a whole lot of it on this ROM. Can knox be disabled with out a trip. I know it can on the S4 and earlier. I just sent TWRp in with ODIN 3 or 4 times in a row then booted straight to recovery flashed superuser then as soon as it booted back in into Andoid I gave superuser permission to jump on knox.

I downloaded an app that says it can make ADB work with out root. But I can't get it to work on my pc
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
Knox trips now; no way known to undo that.

The stock kernel blocks ADB access. I haven't tried it but I thought I had read that ADB will work if phone is in recovery. Don't hold me to it.

Edit: reading your earlier post about Knox undoing root for OTA if flashing superuser and keeping Knox enabled, many rooted users found that they could un-root and download the NK2 update but it wouldn't flash due to "modified" system. I think Knox is evolving more complex in Note 4. Your method may be simpler but may not work as intended to OTA to lollipop. Odin is the method you'd have to be comfortable with before rooting.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
How do you get he tar for Odin? Your totally right. about Odin and the tar. I really don't have to wait to get the OTA when I can just find it myself.

How did you root, a recovery and Odin? I'm trying to get the ADB to work first. I guess ADB unlock OEM will wipe everything you have but opens the firmware also. I'm not going to try that way right now I just want to shoot superuser in that way.

Sorry didn't word that very well. How do you use Odin to root without installing a custom recovery?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55865442&postcount=3

Find the 910P link and download it; open the archive and placed the contents into a folder placed and named something like Odin or Note 4 root.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhill110:
There are many users around xda that have sent their phones to samsung for a warranty repair with Knox tripped and had no problem. If you really look around you'll see this Knox bit thing is really no big deal. Just don't truly brick your phone and you'll be fine
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Voiding Samsung warranty isn't an issue for most people anyways. I don't warranty through Samsung. I purchased my phone from Sprint and Sprint handles the warranty.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Thanks for the instructions here. It worked like a charm. I had no idea I could root with out a custom recover.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
You're welcome. If you want to backup stock recovery and use custom recovery and go back to stock recovery without flashing the the stock tar in Odin, try Flashify.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgollner.flashify

You'd need custom recovery for backup nandroid or flashing custom ROMs, kernels, and mods (remember stock Rom is Odexed and some mods are intended for the ROM it was based on and may also be deodexed).

Flashify can also backup the stock kernel but I'd recommend the stock kernel flash because custom kernel will swap some modules that Flashify won't restore. You could skip the custom kernel unless you enjoy fiddling with custom apps and settings. The custom kernel will also have to be worked around for some video streaming and games. The stock kernel is quite capable and in my experience holds it own in benchmarks and battery savings.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhill110:
You pay the extra $$ for sprints protection plan?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Yes I pay 11 a month for insurance. Everything is covered for 6 months or something like that. The insurance is for breakage.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
I'm going to give this method a shot. I'm sick of waiting on v Sprint to delivery anything but hidden costs. I thought it would be cool to have the original lollipop delivered to my phone but honestly I wouldn't use it long anyways. There is bound room for outside influence in a 700 dollar device. I'm going with the deodexed 5.0 on xda. I'll let you know how the flashify toy recommended goes. Your your saying it can be used to back entire stock device without custom recovery so i can lock it down before i start sending repeated knox trjps to Samsung? In putting all good Samsung apps into backup and then locking Samsung from my device indefinite
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
I believe I was saying you could backup stock recovery, Odin flash a custom recovery, perform a nandroid backup, flash a custom ROM.

Not sure who it was that asked but attempting to restore a nandroid and restore stock recovery in order to gain OTA update of lollipop may not be a sure thing. I'm not sure if it would work coming from CM12 because the partitions may be different; unsure myself. It's also no guarantee that the update feature wouldn't still flag the system as modified and refuse to install the update. Don't hold me to that; I'd recommend Odin stock tar to come back to KitKat but still unsure if OTA would be possible, if that is your goal. And most, if not all developers, recommend a full wipe/clean install before flashing custom ROMs and updates. Odin to stock tar is also a common suggested troubleshooting step as well. There is Kies and Odin for Samsung lollipop that would still give you the update for rooted devices.

I'd also recommend having CF Auto Root that includes Odin downloaded and standing by along with tar for TWRP, and NK2 stock tar. If things go wrong, you'll recover quicker with less stress. And wait until you have some to time to recover before attempting. Gotta be comfortable with Odin and have the Samsung PC drivers pre-installed and willing to risk the consequences. Others and myself can offer helpful advice, if needed.

The rooted warranty concerns have been explained away by a few. But if you feel more comfortable taking a phone in for repair with stock recovery and a restored stock nandroid go for it. You at least have to accept the notion that your custom ROM may be flashed over if taken in as well.

As far as skipping the CF auto root, I think you can if flashing a rooted ROM in custom recovery but I don't know for sure you can. I'm guessing you can because there's a flashable SuperSU that you can flash to root stock after Odin of custom recovery. A rooted ROM shouldn't be different.

Sorry if I've made assumptions. Just wanted to be clear and not misleading. Flashify can simplify things, especially stock recovery backup and restore. But don't use Flashify to backup and restore kernels unless you're also manually restoring the lib modules along with it; Flashify won't do that for you.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
The flashify worked i doubt i will ever put my device back to stock. Waitng for the ota i noticed that Samsung was running updates to my device at least 10 times a day. Security updates meaning they are securing their own interests. yes it says warranty voided but I'm not sure what that means. Samsung won't sell me a phone they would rather let sprint sprint fiscally rape me in the deal. I've not seen on any Samsung site where i can purchase or warranty a device. there access is denied. The only company i allow is Google. True they market some of my information but the majority of their interest is bug reports which is used for improvement. Improvement warrants bandwith. I had the lollipop on my s4 months ago and Samsung is not even releasing it in the us. In short Samsung is left wanting in support. I rooted my device this morn and will install deodexed lollipop when i get off work. Your advice has been helpful and i lookforward to more on upgrading my kernel.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhill110:
Here's my experience this past week. I flashed the stock tar and hit update now. I got the up to date message. Rooted, tried again... No dice system has been blah blah blah. I unrooted system update : system up to date. Rerooted flashed twrp of course no go. Unrooted flashed stock recovery and.... No go. Re-flashed stock rom... System up to date. Flashed twrp no go. Flashed stock recovery and still no go.

So, it seems once you flash custom recovery there's no going back without flashing the stock rom. Whew, that was a mouth full.

It's mho this Knox thing is blown way out of perportion. Hardware warranty repairs will be done even if Knox is tripped. Plenty of members have done so. If one were to brick their phone flashing that might be a different story.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
I don't want the stock ROM anyways. Samsungs overkill with the Knox is equivalent to Microsoft Security update. Samsung makes some sweet hardware but fails the open source. Their trying to be Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. If wanted a to not upgrade I would stick with a Nexus. Google is the only company who agrees that your device is yours and you should always try and improve it. I was seriously getting angry being put last in the world for the newest software. Samsung saying they are updating my device which basically meant Knox was spying and correcting any changes I made. Bricking is most likely to occur if you upgrade with stock recovery.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
I will say this for sprint warranty. They don't care. As long as they are able to slip in a several hidden costs with any change or purchase they are satisfied. Sprint repair are all 3rd party representatives. If you happen to find an actual sprint location you will be sent to a third party sprint store. The 3rd party will fix you up as of they don't they don't get paid.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
KitKat was not so bad; the bootloader was not locked, app_process was still accessible but Knox was a moving target for bypassing without tripping but it had to be that way for the integrity of its purpose: offer a layer of security for government and business. Bloat is one thing I hope both Samsung and Sprint improve on.

That said, unless big minds can interpret what Samsung did to the Lollipop app_process, many may join the opinion of not wanting the Lollipop update. If it involves the stock kernel, it may mean abandoning the stock kernel and adopting Xposed methods to hide custom kernel for some video and gaming apps. CM may be a temporary solution or permanent for those not already considering it. From what I've read, CM12 will get better once Samsung/Sprint Lollipop is studied and changes made, eliminating the workarounds to get CDMA radio and messaging working. It'd be nice to get more S-Pen functionality on CM.

I don't think Knox is a spy app. Business and government wouldn't like that. I'm just thankful for an unlocked bootloader. Since it's primarily AT&T and Verizon that does that in the US, I'm thinking Samsung would prefer it to remain unlocked as well as Sprint and T-Mobile. They would bleed consumers if they went to locked bootloader.

Personally, I stay with rooted stock or custom stock until Samsung stops updating or I until I upgrade to a new phone, CM is an option for the void of OEM updates. I'm hoping (I'm looking at you, Samsung; please stop making images and app_process unique. Touchwiz and Knox should have been your limit. Stop already.) there's success on both touchwiz lollipop and CM12 to keep my options open. Root FTW. Open source? Got a point there; needs improving Samsung.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
You don't think government would approve of a spy app? I haven't looked at your profile yet but I'm lead to believe you are not American. I'm thinking maybe somewhere near Sweden.

Anyways I downloaded the wrong ROM this moring and was somewhat dissappointed when I ended up with seems to be the exact version of the 4.4 I just wiped. Any recommndations on a good 5.0 plus ROM?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Also, the area I'm completely igorant of is the kernel. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
LOL. We must be looking at that from different perspectives. Personally, I think the NSA could do better than asking Samsung to come up with a spy app. Don't know if you're serious but I'm in southern California. I'm not running from the government nor have I leaked government secrets. The only thing I'm really trying to hide is my personal business from third party hacks tracking and trading buying habits, browsing and location with other interested parties. Not the type to ask to be flooded with tracking cookies so I can have ads targeted to my preference. Isn't that so lame to make a one of a kind purchase and start getting ads for that product you won't buy again for years to come? Waste of time and resources.

CM? I'd recommend plain CM12 or Slim ROM LP but that's just me. Just experience from my last phone, CM was mute reliable but I also like inverted or blacked out gapps. I haven't read up on the CM ROMs, myself.

Kernel help? The only CM kernel apart from the included ones are the ones linked below

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=58887468

I've not tried a single CM ROM on the Note 4 but can say if wanting to try one, you can always flash the ROM again to get the included kernel. Or you could look into the custom kernel and see if it includes extras besides a kernel image and grab the things would be overwritten from either your phone or the ROM zip you flashed and create a flashable zip that restores the original kernel and uninstall any kernel tweak apps if wanting to go back to original kernel by using the custom kernel zip and install script as guide to undo what it does installing (uninstalling kernel tweak app and flashing the original ROM is safer if never attempted before). As far as settings within those kernel tweaking apps, try suggested settings from developers or users willing to share and go from there. It's optional; skip it or try it if willing. I'd recommend going slow and checking for hardware and software function before experimenting with add-ons and custom kernels.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
How they spy is just simple seeing what you have going on. Knox was not letting me so much as change the wallpaper. Not concerned with Samsung informing the government. Google has that covered hands down. They have an accurate record of every where you go and everything you do. Google knows how you spend your time better than you do. GI'm not concerned either as if the NSA got information from Google like every other digital device in the world they would jump over me. Google is the world database. I don't mind Google doing it as they compensate us pretty well. Any information I can provide them is fine with me. Imagine how crummy our devices would be today if Google had gone the route of Jobs or gates. An Apple or Microsoft world is where you pay for apps that suck. Example: Apple users unless advanced are limited to Apple apps. Every thing from Apple is heavy in spyware (download itunes on your puter and see how ****ty it begins to run). They have to pay for apps that are based on Google last year. No access to Google play means no Google Maps. Map-quest costs money and is and their roads are far from current. Assumingly because if they stole from Google every couple of months to stay current they would get better. The best gps app there is is Google maps because they are the ones who made the maps for everyone. and they don't even charge for maps. Instead of spending resource on ways to limit access and development so there are more ways to charge you for service they are giving away development tools and saying start making some apps or other cool **** it's easy. Here is resource if you need help. And let us know if you come up with something awesome.Though the US government is quite freaking stupid when it comes to money so they probably have spent billions to come up with their spyware like the commander in stupid spending over 400 million dollars to up one web site In the end they probably just hacked Google or other wise threatened to persecute with extreme prejudice to get help from them. The digital world is 100% recorded an monitored. and it is legal for the US government to hack in to anything they want and they do. But back to my point about Samsung spyware is it was slowing my device and preventing me from making changes to it.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Here is a good one Google had recently made some pretty valid accusations about purposeful security leaks from Microsoft and Mac. And there horrible spyware. Not sure at exactly what most likely upset by their leaks leading a trail back to the original creators of network. But the king is till Google because not long prior to that Google admitted to pulling information from personal computers with out permission. And they weren't even using spyware embedded. They were straight pulling information out of homes from the Google car that was filming street view. Figure is their an actual application that breaks ssid passwords. Of that I would say yes but the real question is how? They only way I could figure to make software that will break ssid passwords in the time it takes to drive up the street would be to allready have a data base of passwords that have been used in that area since the open source began.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
I was totally stock for a couple of weeks because I had a vacation scheduled the day after I picked up my phone. I'm pretty sure I was able to change the browser and wall paper. What happened to me may have happened to you; Sprint sends a default settings file and prompts you to apply it. I did; phone went back to default wallpaper and browser. Lesson learned. Pretty sure it was Sprint that did that, not Samsung or Knox.

When I said third party hacks, I wasn't referring to US government, Samsung or Google. I was referring to parties like Facebook, Yahoo and cookie and data miners and Google's coercion with them. They give it another name: analytics. I opt out and block these efforts as much as I'm capable of doing. I tend to view this not only as an invasion of privacy but an assault on my bandwidth which should be dedicated to streams that I subscribe to. I deleted my Google plus account, signed out of email sync with Microsoft, turn off images in gmail, turn off tracking and histories and only sync email and contacts with android on my phone. At least once a year, I sit and write Google a letter to tell them how I deplore analytics and what services I feel are value added and which are not. Not that I expect a personal reply but that I feel they need to be reminded they exist because of consumers. Since they purchased Android, they should consider their business is not just data mining but offering a platform that not only is functional but dependent on the masses to use it to impress those corporations that pay for data that Google is frequented in mass. Consumers can make other choices; as long as Google can impress consumers that do provide provide a good service and are not being too intrusive, they succeed.

Some of the facts you mention about Google are interesting but did not include links. Could you link some of them, please?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samep:
Speaking of Microsoft, I was all ready to throw Android for x86 on my PC when lollipop 64 bit x86 releases. Until I thought, "Wait, I still need Odin and there's a lot of Android development for the Microsoft PC platform". May have to wait...If Windows 10 is only free the first year, why bother? Already setup for Android development. Update to Windows 10 would likely mean chasing down missing drivers and installing missing framework and development files and waiting for some apps to become ready for Windows 10.

Are we off topic yet? LOL.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Yes a PC is still nessecary for your android but will not last forever. I still have windows 7 and still have driver I issues. Funny how android didn't even try and did a better job their. I never got windows 8 but heard all of the complaints as in otherwise versions of how crappy it was and how just about the time they get most of the kinks out they release a new version and drivers become an issue for both again. I am running liquid ROM right now and my device is running like a champ. I'll flash again as soon as everything it's perfect on this one. The thing I loved right away about leaving kit kat is it all s nice to have full function on my external SD. I'm a no developer by any means but it seems that in a version of android there is only one completely new copy made and the rest of that treat (ICS, KitKat etc) build from it until then next line. How else can a faulty y section never be fully corrected? It's fully unneeded to over clock with the note but I need a kernel that is compatible with xlink installer. The permissions you mentioned with apps like fb are ridiculous for sure. Fb gave themselves an all inclusive hack for sure. I don't install it until everything else is set. Have you tried app opps. The version you can only run with xlink is awesome. It shows all percussions. When they were last used and a individual visual toggle to shut down each permission. It makes me feel good about things when I can install something with ridiculous permissions by acceptingly there terms and the shouting them down with out affecting mine.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhill110:
Sheesh... I'm feeling old... Still using XP. ?
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
How are the drivers working out on XP now? Are they still good or is the out date being a problem. excuse was the last of Microsoft put out that didn't have driver issues. it seems like Microsoft is doing better because XD didn't have the previous problems.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhill110:
Perfectly. I have other drivers as well for lg and others. Never a problem. My desktop died last week so I'm running my old Acer aspire one. Gets it done.
[Sprint  Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planb234:
Do you still have a differing opinion on the spyware? Take a look at your Google data base. Supposedly no one can access it but you. Since you didn't request it why is it there then? Let me know what you think about spyware after you check it out. It says you can erase it but you can not. You are more likely to cure herpes.