yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xposed General] dribr:
Can someone help me with this log?

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): -----------------

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): Starting Xposed binary version 61, compiled for SDK 21

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): Device: Moto X (motorola), Android version 5.0.2 (SDK 21)

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): ROM: cm_ghost-userdebug 5.0.2 LRX22G 3eefd14f49 test-keys

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): Build fingerprint: motorola/ghost_retail/ghost:4.4.3/KXA21.12-L1.21/23:user/release-keys

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): Platform: armeabi-v7a, 32-bit binary, system server: yes

03-13 12:00:49.734 I/Xposed (10071): SELinux enabled: yes, enforcing: no

03-13 12:00:53.255 I/Xposed (10071): -----------------

03-13 12:00:53.255 I/Xposed (10071): Added Xposed (/system/framework/XposedBridge.jar) to CLASSPATH

03-13 12:00:53.322 I/Xposed (10071): Detected ART runtime

03-13 12:00:53.325 I/Xposed (10071): Found Xposed class de/robv/android/xposed/XposedBridge, now initializing

03-13 12:00:53.391 I/Xposed (10071): Initializing XposedBridge version 62

03-13 12:00:53.489 E/Xposed (10071): Cannot load any modules because /data/data/de.robv.android.xposed.installer/conf/modules.list was not found

03-13 12:00:53.495 F/libc ( 5575): Fatal signal 13 (SIGPIPE), code 0 in tid 5575 (sh)

03-13 12:00:53.615 I/DEBUG (10066): *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***

03-13 12:00:53.616 I/DEBUG (10066): Build fingerprint: 'motorola/ghost_retail/ghost:4.4.3/KXA21.12-L1.21/23:user/release-keys'

03-13 12:00:53.616 I/DEBUG (10066): Revision: '33536'

03-13 12:00:53.616 I/DEBUG (10066): ABI: 'arm'

03-13 12:00:53.616 I/DEBUG (10066): pid: 5575, tid: 5575, name: sh >>> sh <<<

03-13 12:00:53.616 I/DEBUG (10066): signal 13 (SIGPIPE), code 0 (SI_USER), fault addr --------

03-13 12:00:53.622 I/DEBUG (10066): r0 ffffffe0 r1 b6c23164 r2 00000031 r3 0000000a

03-13 12:00:53.622 I/DEBUG (10066): r4 00000003 r5 00000031 r6 00000001 r7 00000004

03-13 12:00:53.622 I/DEBUG (10066): r8 00000000 r9 b6f13404 sl b6c23164 fp 00000000

03-13 12:00:53.622 I/DEBUG (10066): ip b6f1411c sp bed6d688 lr b6efb48b pc b6e98c7c cpsr 20000010

03-13 12:00:53.622 I/DEBUG (10066):

03-13 12:00:53.622 I/DEBUG (10066): backtrace:

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #00 pc 00037c7c /system/lib/libc.so (write+12)

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #01 pc 0000f487 /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #02 pc 0000c4cb /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #03 pc 0000de39 /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #04 pc 0000d0e9 /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #05 pc 000190bb /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #06 pc 00002e8b /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.623 I/DEBUG (10066): #07 pc 0000fc79 /system/lib/libc.so (__libc_init+44)

03-13 12:00:53.624 I/DEBUG (10066): #08 pc 00002f54 /system/bin/sh

03-13 12:00:53.666 I/DEBUG (10066):

03-13 12:00:53.666 I/DEBUG (10066): Tombstone written to: /data/tombstones/tombstone_08

I flashed the zip then installed the apk, did the soft reboot with permissive mode and still having this problem.
[Xposed General] kdb9904:
nexus toolkit upgrade

I have a question that I cannot find the answer to here.

I am running Nexus 6 rooted with stock 5.0.1. I have xposed installed (and working fine). I want to upgrade to 5.1 via the Nexus Toolkit (so I will not have to wipe my phone). I understand that xposed does not work on 5.1, but my question is either 1.) how do I disable xposed so I can do the upgrade or 2.) will the upgrade through the Nexus Toolkit automatically disable it? Thanks in advance.
[Xposed General] p-slim:
It will automatically disable it
[Xposed General] danarama:
Permissive is working fine.

modules.list was not found

Wipe cache and dalvik?
[Xposed General] 7sen:
does it work on 5.1 :confused:
[Xposed General] commencal661:
No, it doesn't. Did you bother to read at least a few pages? *facepalm*
[Xposed General] :
No Sir.
[Xposed General] boltthrower56:
I was speaking in a general way , not necessarily just on xda as was the person i criticized back there. It gave the impression that licensed projects require authorization to be modified and redistributed in "general". But that's just on xda. I thought it might deter potential developers.

But i've always found that forum rule to be purposeless as far the licensed projects go. Apache already covers harmful appliance and i think GPL does that also. (Meaning rovo can actually sue the guy(troll) a few pages back) It can only provide protection for those people whose projects are not on github which is also banned on xda. Well , you can say github only "offers" the licensing it's not mandatory but then not licensing your project is moronic because somebody can steal it and pass it as his/hers and you can't really do anything about it. The only people who don't license their projects are the people who don't care about those projects , so they certainly wouldn't care about unauthorized builds. So that rule doesn't have a practical purpose.
[Xposed General] dribr:
I did not worked even wiping dalvik cache :/
[Xposed General] :
The site admin create a rule, and it's enforced. No, doesn't mean it necessarily coincides with the outside world.... But it's a private site, so it's their right to do so. And all members agree to abide by the rules upon registration.

Know what I mean Jelly bean? :D

Let's move on though... Not relevant today. :good:
[Xposed General] treetolber:
Does anyone else notice the alpha 2.apk link actually downloads a .zip file? And when I flash said zip file from recovery it gives an error.

Pardon me if this has been discussed on prior pages. I'll just hang up and listen now.

Thanks

**UPDATE**

I was just able to locate a mirror with the apk file for alpha 3.
[Xposed General] ldeveraux:
You mean alpha2?;)
[Xposed General] treetolber:
Ooops! Yes alpha 2, not 3.
[Xposed General] danaff37:
With the latest version, in many cases permissive selinux isn't necessary. If you still need it, and want it without a soft reboot, I posted a flashable zip to modify your kernel boot command line to make it boot permissive do you don't to soft reboot. This is also necessary for things like x privacy, viper, etc.

G3 phone:https://www.dropbox.com/s/3rdlxkrkjl9afxe/makepermissive.zip?dl=0

Others:https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkr9uhzdd5dv95o/makepermissivenobump.zip?dl=0
[Xposed General] treetolber:
Then am I doing something wrong? I installed the apk from within the rom and the app says it needs to be flashed from recovery. When I try to flash from recovery it gives me an error.

Any suggestions?
[Xposed General] boltthrower56:
Agreed. The thought has been conveyed. So , there's no point in dwelling on it.

And we have gummy bears filled with bourbon over here , i'd like to think of myself as that. Because it looks cute but is packing heat in the middle. :)
[Xposed General] dribr:
Can anyone help me? Look, this folder has no archives as Xposed is suposed to look.

03-13 10:22:13.578 E/Xposed ( 2532): Cannot load any modules because /data/data/de.robv.android.xposed.installer/conf/modules.list was not found

https://plus.google.com/118091473900718211196/posts/2e93FanW9zC
[Xposed General] welder73:
Did you read the OP???

There are TWO files:

xposed-arm-20150308.zip --- Flash it!

XposedInstaller_3.0-alpha2.apk --- Install it!

Sent from my Razr XT910
[Xposed General] treetolber:
That's exactly what I did. It installs the apk but it does not function and has this is what it tells me:
[Xposed General] dribr:
Same here, man.

I am using latest build of CM12 for Moto X 2013 (03/13) and even flashing zip, installing apk with permissive mode, it does not work as the same as yours.
[Xposed General] danaff37:
That's exactly what it's supposed to look like when it is working. What do you think is wrong? The text is red, but informational only. You can see you have active versions of each file. Try a module yet? If module didn't work (try a known working one, like gravity box lp), then read through thread for information on selinux (which needs changes less often on newer alpha)
[Xposed General] treetolber:
Okay, you're right. I installed Xtended settings and that works through Xposed just fine.

Thanks for the help!
[Xposed General] titom44dj:
Work with Lollipop 5.1 ?

HI,

does it work with Lollipop 5.1 with katkiss rom for asus tf101 ? :)

sorry finally find the answer
[Xposed General] wrongway213:
Read OP or any number of posts in this thread
[Xposed General] Midomad:
I have a strange bug with xposed alpha 2 and my exchange work email from gmail!

If xposed is installed exchange disapear and only gmail works!

If i flash my rom again without xposed everything work again(both gmail and exchange!)

If you need anything to identify the bug just tell me.

And sorry for my english.
[Xposed General] tech_head:
With Xposed installed on LG G3, going into "Settings -> "Wireless Networks" -> "More"; I get the following message dialog "Unfortunately, Settings has stopped."

This means that everything under "more" like CDMA/GSM settings, etc cannot be accessed.

I enabled all apps so nothing was disabled and I also removed all modules for Xposed.

Other people using Xposed are seeing the same thing on the Jasmine (Completely stock and rooted 23B).

Thanks
[Xposed General] harrybear25:
sprint note 4

Any idea when my amazing new phone will hey some loving? Is there a specific reason samsung roms ate not compatible?
[Xposed General] GatoL0c0:
Don't ask for ETAs because no one knows and it's considered rude. It'll be ready when it's ready.

For the second part of the question, read this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59305359
[Xposed General] Pkt_Lnt:
It is in this post.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=58828974&postcount=1
[Xposed General] -iHackerz-:
Well I guess switching off permissive worked. Xposed and its modules are working fine and data is back :)
[Xposed General] SantinoInc:
How do u switch permissive on and off?
[Xposed General] asdfasdfvful:
Use an app or a su.d init. Both easily accessible by search.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Xposed General] shawnbrennan55:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mrbimc.selinux
[Xposed General] faslane:
Of course not. Some can't get it on 5.0.2 let alone 5.1 lol

---------- Post added at 08:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:03 PM ----------

Which helps nothing. Cache wipes done make it work.
[Xposed General] itandy:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION], do you have any working x86 Xposed framework for Lollipop? I really need one for Genymotion. I mean it may not be bug free and can even crash sometimes. I just need one for testing. I currently don't have a device on Lollipop and am completely stuck and my modules need to be upgraded for Lollipop. Just asking. Thanks!
[Xposed General] z3pp3lin:
A few items need to be frozen/re-named before installing xposed in the G2 and G3. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59322797

Yes, re-flash the ROM and head to the link above.
[Xposed General] p0izn:
FYI: changing sdk version to 21 in build.prop wont help you to run current Xposed ver. on 5.1 (i checked on nexus10, bootloop :cyclops:)
[Xposed General] MehNameIsDan:
Would an HTC One M8 ATNT variant work for this?
[Xposed General] s2d4:
Thanks for your development.

---------- Post added at 11:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:45 AM ----------

Yeah, if you do your bit.
[Xposed General] -iHackerz-:
I just used the SElinux Mode Changer app on play store.
[Xposed General] DoctorStrange96:
Does this work on the Genymotion emulator? I know its x86 by default, but if i'm not mistaken, it has an ARM translator built-in
[Xposed General] cmstlist:
Rovo89 said: "However, it currently makes more sense for me to stablize Xposed for Android 5.0, as I have two productive devices plus the Genymotion emulator running on it. Hopefully, it can then be ported to Android 5.1, but that's hard to tell without having had a look at it."

So that suggests there is some functional version of Xposed running in Genymotion even if it's not the one posted here.
[Xposed General] itandy:
I tried the ARM translator on Genymotion but it doesn't work with current Xposed for Lollipop.
[Xposed General] faslane:
again.......read....do it, WIN

Again peeps, you PROBABLY have it working and don't realize it.

This will NOT work on TW Lollipop roms as stated in post 1 from the dev.

This might vary a bit from your device but should solve/answer MANY people's issues of it "not working"

Download both the arm.zip file

1) Install the APK

2) Install SELinuxModeChanger from play store unless your rom is already set to permissive.

3) Start SELinuxModeChanger and switch to permissive.

4) Flash the framework through recovery (CWM, TWRP etc)

5) Start the xposed GUI. It will show that the framework is not installed in RED.

Select the soft reboot option in the xposed GUI, accept SU access if it asks (you might not see this if SuperSU it set to grant by default) and wait for the reboot to finish.

6) Start the xposed GUI.

It might STILL show it's manual activation error in red but could very well be working. Mine shows this and works fine.

Download a module you KNOW works....I use xgels which enhances google launcher and it works perfectly. Try this just for fun and to test if Xposed is working.

I'd say 99.99% of peeps stating it's "not working" aren't doing the soft reboot inside Xposed at the framework tab because they see the red text regarding the activation and just assume it's not working. It Probably is working. Mine does the same exact thing

you WILL need to do a soft reboot in Xposed after installing a module and ticking activation each time (mileage wil vary)

Once you've tried ALL of these steps, THEN post what's not working for you.

Fas
[Xposed General] baltics:
It works fine on my CM12 5.01.

It hope it will work with 5.1 too.
[Xposed General] andreoide:
true

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True, just follow the above and do not forget EVERY time you need a reboot, take a soft reboot after the hard reset, than Xposed worx back again :good: :good: :good:[/SIZE]
[Xposed General] wrongway213:
Not yet it won't unfortunately, not sure when yet as rovo stated stabilizing 5.0 is priority over adding 5.1
[Xposed General] gu5t3r:
May help others

I managed to get init.d scripts run as root by changing sysinit to

#!/system/bin/sh

/system/xbin/daemonsu --auto-daemon &
su root -cn permissive -c 'echo 0 >/sys/fs/selinux/enforce;';
su root -c 'echo 0 >/sys/fs/selinux/enforce;';

export PATH=/sbin:/system/sbin:/system/bin:/system/xbin;
/system/xbin/run-parts /system/etc/init.d;

NOTE: You need to allow su to run during boot in SuperSU settings

And I used this init.d script to force CM12 to start in permissive mode

(without this script, init.d scripts are executed as root but rom goes to enforcing on boot)

#!/system/bin/sh
/system/xbin/daemonsu --auto-daemon &
su -c 'echo 0 >/sys/fs/selinux/enforce;';
su root -c 'echo 0 >/sys/fs/selinux/enforce;';
su system -c 'echo 0 >/sys/fs/selinux/enforce;';
[Xposed General] danarama:
These really should be su.d scripts rather than init.d nowadays.

Edit...

And the su.d script only needs to be

#!/system/bin/sh

setenforce 0
[Xposed General] edurjbr:
Well it's working like a charm in my Nexus 4. Tried to install in a Lollipop Moto E, and it got stuck in boot screen.

Is it something related to de SE permissive?
[Xposed General] danarama:
No. That will only prevent xposed running in some circumstances. It will not prevent a boot up
[Xposed General] viper3two:
I have a vs985 g3 and from what I found by search and outlined in the OP I have to freeze lg weather and lgcover. I am running Jamine 5.03. I can't find LGWeather in titanium to freeze it but found "weather". I found another app that was close to LGCover but not named that exactly. Cam somebody point me to the exact apps I need to freeze to get this working on a G3? I just didn't want to get stuck in a bootloop. Thank you
[Xposed General] Danielhammons1:
Working beautifully on Galaxy s4, running Danvdh's Google Play Edition rom. I missed Xposed so much
[Xposed General] Pkt_Lnt:
Seems that applies on stock rom. Is yours a custom rom? You should ask your rom dev if so.
[Xposed General] viper3two:
Thanks for the reply. Yes it is a custom rom, Jasmine 5 for vs985. I will ask the dev. :good:
[Xposed General] danaff37:
It is just weather, and lg smart cover (I think)

Also, more under settings will not work, making you won't be able to change apns, set up vpn, or tethering (although you can toggle Wi-Fi tether from quick settings, and get to it's set up by long pressing the quick toggle as well)
[Xposed General] AstroBoy89:
I'm guessing the Nexus 5 running 5.1 lollipop (Cataclysm 5.1 for example) isn't supported correct? I keep trying to install the 2.6.1 or 2.7 framework and I get the error message that android SDK 22 isn't supported.

Am I correct in saying that the newest lollipop isn't supported as of yet? I read Xposed's Offical Post and he only says it might not be stable with 5.1, but he doesn't say the installer won't even install due to the android SDK problem.

Am I missing something? I really enjoy using Xposed, so if I have to, I will downgrade back to Cataclysm's 5.0.1 rom.

Thanks for all the GREAT WORK!!!
[Xposed General] Pkt_Lnt:
5.1 is not supported. period.
[Xposed General] faslane:
Correct as per my instructions, you MUST soft reboot in the framework tab after EVER module install an activation. or a full reboot but not necessary unless you're doing other things in recovery of course/

Fas
[Xposed General] viper3two:
Thanks a lot I appreciate it. Going to give it a try soon. Is there a way to uninstall it if something goes wrong?
[Xposed General] Pkt_Lnt:
Restore the backup you made before you flash it or reflash your rom.
[Xposed General] viper3two:
Thanks. Going to do a full backup now before I try it. :)
[Xposed General] NegativeOne:
I flashed the xposed uninstaller (disabler), but it didn't fix the problem with the force close of LG apps. I wonder how/why that is... I had to reflash 23B. What's the correct way to recover from this situation in case I want to give this another shot?
[Xposed General] Ann.Vogelfang:
Restore a backup.

Gesendet von meinem XT1032 mit Tapatalk
[Xposed General] matyas69:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] : Xposed for Lollipop breaks Dolphin Emulation(the fastmem path stop working). The first time I flashed I have not made the connection but when i reflash my rom Dolphin Emulator work anew. I reflash Xposed and it breaks Dolphin Emulator again.

There is something wrong with you libs.

Please fix it. I like your work.
[Xposed General] waihung0626:
Can upload to other mirrors,Thank you!
[Xposed General] raddacle:
As I've tried searching for this in the thread and found nothing, I'm going to ask this anyways as it is a major question. Can anyone confirm that flashing in 5.0^ will not allow you to take future OTA's? I'm asking this in according to Android Police's post from last November PSA: New Lollipop OTA Procedure On Nexus...
[Xposed General] kindofabuzz:
Yes you cannot apply OTAs with any change done to /system. And xposed doesn't work on 5.1 anyways.
[Xposed General] shmshd12:
Will Alpha 2 Work on Android 5.1?
[Xposed General] aluves:
Read the post above u.
[Xposed General] kvnhmmd:
Haha, yeah and look at the gif he has in his signature

*facepalm*
[Xposed General] pippone121263:
galaxy s2

Working fine on my galaxy s2 with CM 5.0.1

Thank you
[Xposed General] donkeyhigh:
Anyone know any good TW roms that work with xposed and lollipop for note 3?I really want a TW based rom, as those are the only ones that work with s-view as far as I know.

Any response would be greatly appreciated :)

Or are there none, since TW roms are based on the official Samsung release? :-/

Or does anyone know if there are any non-tw roms that work with S-View?

A response, anything would be great. :)

Thanks.

Edit: oh, and thank you, rovo89, for an awesome app and hard work :)
[Xposed General] Vivek_Neel:
Scroll down and read the known issues Here :)
[Xposed General] FuMMoD:
Read the first post before posting in a thread. Especially the red text
[Xposed General] chris42too:
Maintenance to version

HI guys,

just having a question, on how I keep the framework running after installation and during upgrades.

I understood, that OTA updates are not working anymore, hence I would upgrade the system via recovery.

In 4.X that would mean, the framework would be inactive and needed reinstalling. How is this now? Do I need to reflash the zip and/or the apk?

Regards

Chris

Thanks to rovo for all his work on this!
[Xposed General] danarama:
Reflash the zip.
[Xposed General] Mark Mayers:
I installed the framework for Xposed and soft rebooted my phone. Xposed works fine but I have no service. I can fix this by clearing my cache in recovery but then Xposed won't be active. I have an LG G3 VS985 running CM 12. Any help?
[Xposed General] riquerique:
Not working with me, following log...

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): -----------------

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): Starting Xposed binary version 61, compiled for SDK 21

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): Device: GT-N7100 (samsung), Android version 5.0.2 (SDK 21)

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): ROM: cm_n7100-userdebug 5.0.2 LRX22G 422d33a6f1 test-keys

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): Build fingerprint: samsung/t03gxx/t03g:4.4.2/KOT49H/N7100XXUFNI1:user/release-keys

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): Platform: armeabi-v7a, 32-bit binary, system server: yes

03-15 12:30:20.415 I/Xposed ( 2255): SELinux enabled: yes, enforcing: no

03-15 12:30:23.265 I/Xposed ( 2255): -----------------

03-15 12:30:23.265 I/Xposed ( 2255): Added Xposed (/system/framework/XposedBridge.jar) to CLASSPATH

03-15 12:30:23.750 I/Xposed ( 2255): Detected ART runtime

03-15 12:30:23.815 I/Xposed ( 2255): Found Xposed class de/robv/android/xposed/XposedBridge, now initializing

03-15 12:30:24.165 I/Xposed ( 2255): Initializing XposedBridge version 62

03-15 12:30:24.405 E/Xposed ( 2255): Cannot load any modules because /data/data/de.robv.android.xposed.installer/conf/modules.list was not found

read: Unexpected log ID!

I hope you can help me.

Thx
[Xposed General] Andruxa666777:
I tried to install xposer to LG L90 official lollipop, it has fault on log

03-15 19:17:47.422 F/libc ( 1397): Fatal signal 11 (SIGSEGV), code 1, fault addr 0xc in tid 1397 (main)

Can u answer some information about this error?
[Xposed General] Tourmans:
Hello;

Can you thell me how to freeze the LGsmartcover because i have this same problem on CloudyG3 2.1 and i really like to use the G3Tweakbox eather :p
[Xposed General] z3pp3lin:
Using Root Explorer or the equivalent; find lgcover.apk in the priv-app folder and rename it lgcover.apk.bak. In the app folder, do the same to the lgweather and lgweatherservice apk's.
[Xposed General] Tourmans:
Thank you very much.
[Xposed General] p_xel0:
Installed on Nexus 5 5.1. The result is the oblivious BootLoop.

To solve I've fastbooted just system.img from my hammerhead-5.1 factory image. :silly: :p

So, I didn't had the need of recover my backup and neither wipe data. :)
[Xposed General] danarama:
You the man!
[Xposed General] Pkt_Lnt:
Nice, if you had read the posts where you downloaded the files you could have saved doing all that since it stated 5.1 is not supported. :silly:
[Xposed General] p_xel0:
I tried the solution for the unsupported SDK 22, expected 21 aaaaand... ta 'dah! :silly:

Ehm, yes, I read them after the bootloop :silly: :silly: :silly: ahah

I don't know what do you mean... are you kidding me or what?
[Xposed General] Pkt_Lnt:
I've posted the 5.1 changelog in here a few times showing the 10400+ changes between 5.02 and 5.1. An SDK change is MAJOR in android. And now reports that 5.1 has a serious memory leak. :eek:
[Xposed General] p_xel0:
Yea, I seen that memory leak ! But in over four hundred pages of discussion, how could I have seen that changelog when I found the SDK 22 compatible "solution" on Google? :rolleyes: :silly:
[Xposed General] Piemo:
Can't understand from post in the thread and so on. If I'd like to try it on my D802 LG G2, will it work? Don't kill me... really can't understand how much this alpha release is "alpha"