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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Aravindtop:
I can assure you that Verizon has to do with the delay. They are probably making sure that their bloatware works at the most efficient speeds, all while de-stabilizing the entire OS.

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The Nexus 6 is expected to be released on Feb 26 on Verizon, based on leaked documents. BUT, it is also rumored that the bootloader will be locked, if that's the case, forget even LOOKING at such an abomination to humanity.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wseyller:
I was in the soak test group. I'm over the hype of it now. But the exclusive forum thread where people could post waiting for the soak test grew to well over 100 pages of people wondering for days what is going on. Then finally the thread was lock with a post basically saying it is still coming but not now and they basically saying they can't say why. The thread would then unlock when they have the update available. To me it says they put the cart in front of the horse. Whether verizon is involved or not it is a fail on Motorola and could degrade their customers perception of them. I know it did mine. It would have been no issue to me if they had waited to involve us soak testers when they were 100% ready to push it out.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
So its still locked???
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] _ranch:
last time I checked, yes.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
My hopes for a quick update are fading. They must have found an issue.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
When was that?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
How will you guarantee that Verizon is the cause? I have a friend that is a rather popular manager for them and he says that Verizon does not control the soaks. So if the soak has been put on pause, it doesn't necessarily mean it was Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
There is a large amount of Verizon hate on here. That is strange since the Turbo is a Verizon exclusive. If people hate Verizon why are they using Verizon?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
The information about the bootloader is not a rumor about it being locked. All bootloaders on phones come locked. My nexus 6 from motorola and my friends from google came locked. Thats why there is the option to unlock via developer options and toolkits.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] upther:
I don't understand this mentality. Did you take time off work just so you could devote all your attention to the soak test? Did you cancel plans you had for the soak test? Did you turn down getting laid for the soak test? Then why so upset at Motorola? They don't have to do these soak tests and definitely don't owe them to us. I thought I was an impatient person but the level of impatience and anger I've seen over this test makes me seem like a saint.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
The delayed soak test shot my dog, stole my truck, and peed in my cheerios!

I'm mostly upset about the cheerios.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] upther:
Were they Honey Nut Cheerios? I love me some Honey Nut Cheerios and I'd get all stabby if somebody peed in them.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] loudaccord:
How do you sign up to participate in the soak tests?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Hells yes they were.

I'm signing a petition at change.org to boycott Motorola products due to the urine content in my cheerios.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/77d4221775

Warning: They are not cereal products friendly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ahaynes42:
1. Verizon has the best coverage

2. I'm grandfathered into unlimited data

3. Verizon's policies and attitudes towards their customers are horrible. They lock everything down and don't give a **** about what the customer wants. Their plans are overpriced and a lot of the best phones on the market are not compatible with their service.

It's a love-hate relationship. I love their coverage, but hate their business practices and policies towards open software and devices. As soon as they end unlimited data once and for all, I'm out!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] _ranch:
I think it was last week. I just took a look and it appears to have been opened back up. There was even an update from Moto saying they are still working on it on the 11th.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Aravindtop:
Please read in-between the lines next time. The Nexus 6 has a bootloader that can be unlocked in a few steps, even the AT&T and T-Mobile editions. HOWEVER, the Verizon one is rumored to be completely locked down, so the only way to unlock the bootloader is through an exploit, which would take forever to find. Please note, these are RUMORS.

I can say for sure that it is Verizon because the Moto Maxx has already started receiving Android L. Since the software for the Maxx and Turbo are really similar, Motorola is, for the most part, ready to go. Motorola is also more open and would happy to provide us some details, but, Verizon has a policy to not discuss anything. Yes, Verizon has nothing to do with the Soak Test, but they have to certify it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Please provide a link to this rumor because I been keeping tabs with everything on verizon and the nexus 6, and there has been nothing posted from what I found that its locked down by verizon. Verizon doesnt do the locking down that would be requested by verizon for the oem. Since this is a google device and verizon agreed to have it on their network. It can't and wont be locked down. It still can be unlocked the same way as every other device. So again like i stated its not a rumor, unless u provide evidence or an article that states this. Just people talking between each other isnt enough evidence to provide this. The last nexus verizon allowed wasn't locked down it just took a very long time to update.

**Edit**:

Even here is discussion and there is no rumors on the bootloader being locked by verizon. If any nexus device is to be sold to any carrier. There carrier has terms to agree too.

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/general/verizon-nexus-6-bootloader-t2907151
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Similar and same are not synonymous. They also have to make it work with VoLTE on Verizon, which is not the case on the Maxx.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Droid turbo acept fastboot commands? Id Yes maybe its possible to flash moto maxx firmware
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It does, but if it is like Nexus devices, you must unlock boot loader to flash images.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
I'm not trolling or trying to jump in to argue but I feel peoples posts are being taken a bit too literal. The guy said rumor and you want links. There are no links to rumors hence the word rumor. People are discussing the nexus/Verizon/turbo lollipop/maxx so they can use the insight discussed to help them consider possibilities not always factual. Some of it is theoretical and just because you disagree doesn't give reason to jump down peoples throats. Rooter and adrynalyne, I respect both of you as android enthusiasts and your knowledge but I think we could be a little easier on other posters. Were all here to discuss thoughts and ideas and to correct everyone kills discussion.

I too thought maxx lollipop could possibly be flashed on turbo. Possibly but I also understand more than likely not. I can also understand why someone might think that Verizon would prohibit their nexus 6 from being unlocked since they're the last one to release it. Is it true? No one really knows but I can understand both sides. When will we get lollipop on turbo is beyond anyone really but we are all free to discuss. And we should be courteous and respectful to those with different view points. I think we are being a little harsh on some of the posters here. I'm not backing anyone or choosing sides, I prefer to be Switzerland in most cases.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
You could most likely do it with RSD lite but even with Maxx firmware it would still have all the identifiers as a Turbo. In the end you would get denied trying to unlock through Moto
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
Just a follow up to my post:

I can understand when someone gets trolly or rude in response to something or claim they KNOW this and that but I feel responding to them rudely just continues the cycle. I've been trying to stay away from these forums because of the back and forth and I've seen 2 discussion threads get shutdown. Do we as turbo/maxx owners want more? I don't. I just want friendly theoretical discussions.

We'll get lollipop and nexus 6 soon and none of this will even matter anymore.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Hopefully this thread doesn't get closed down for another argument.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
There wasnt an arguement as severe as the last two threads. This is just people explaining the opinion. I understand what one user said and hopefully he understood my side. I wasnt trying to be rude or trolling. Just explaining that i seen some post of rumors posted on some forums. I been searching forums about this issue and couldn't find any. I just asked for him to post some if he had any just in case i missed one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Did you guys try flash maxx firmware and flash Lollipop?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
And potentially kill the radios?

No.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Yeah I'll pass on that too. I prefer a working device
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Yellowdude:
Does anyone else with the turbo feel like we're being cheated? I haven't heard any news on the droid turbo... and I'm starting to regret living in america xD I love this phone and I think everyone can agree we should know what's going on, other that "soon." I completely understand that maybe they're holding back so that it doesn't 'infect' (probably wouldn't) our devices... but common man.. at least shed some light... :c
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] _ranch:
I wouldn't call it cheated. Moto is nice enough to let people into a soak test in the first place. I do wish that Moto would be a bit more upfront about things like HTC has been doing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
I have conflicting feelings. I really want the newest and greatest things. But... I am happy with my phone and have also been reading that other phones are having issues. Since the soak test was stopped there must have been an issue. I do not feel cheated.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Aravindtop:
The most obvious differences between the Maxx and Turbo are things like Radios used and yes, VoLTE. But, I am pretty sure, those things are straightforward. I remember the gap between the start of the VoLTE soak test and actually receiving the update to be nill, it just proves that these features are not major problems.

You never know what Verizon will do, just as the second comment in that link said. I personally am hoping that the bootloader isn't locked. Yes, the Verizon Galaxy Nexus wasn't locked. But remember in 2012? Where Verizon was the ONLY US Carrier that locked the Galaxy s3 bootloader? Yet they proclaimed that being open was in their roots? You just never know. I am agreeing with you that it won't be locked, but it's not 100% guaranteed, is what I am trying to convey across. Plus, ever since 2012, carrier branded Nexus devices are unheard of. Articles on every website are even asking if this Nexus 6 can be even called a Nexus anymore.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Those bastards, Lollipop is my birth right!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
With action launcher 3 you get the lollipop feel and all with no battery drain. That's whats keeping me from getting mad at motorola
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
Yours too? ?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] udrunner:
Yeah, regretting living in a country over not getting a software upgrade that's been out a whole 3.5 month's seems reasonable. Especially when the current version is stable.

This doesn't seem like an over reaction at all. I had a nexus 5 and, lollipop was great. But it's not the life changing mana from heaven this entire forum seems to make it out to be.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 6Binford:
Where I live, the choice is verizon or nothing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Yellowdude:
Oh my god xD I meant it as a joke but you're so right. My comment was more stating the fact that I have no idea whats going on with the development. All I know is that it... is.... xD gg
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Dont flash radios, only rom to try
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Marlon41:
I'm perfectly fine with 4.4, just wish Motorola would communicate when we could expect Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mad3963:
Well, for me, as much as I dislike much of the way Verizon operates these days, in many areas, such as here in Central Ohio, no other carrier can much Verizon's cellular service and coverage. Sure I could switch to Tmo, or such, who I believe have better plans and pricing, but would have to drastically sacrifice coverage in doing so.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
And how do you think that will be possible with a locked bootloader?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Only the Droid name is exclusive, not the PHONE. As of January 9, there's at least one other USA provider selling a CDMA/LTE "Moto Maxx" (XT1250) with the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo.

Seems to have unlockable boot loader and seems to work OK when you stick in a Verizon SIM card. (One owner has posted about it in these threads.)

So there's no exclusivity on selling this PHONE in the USA. THAT'S been debunked. AGAIN,

has the same FCC ID

which means it's the exact same device.

Then, there's the "international" Moto Maxx (XT1225), which has unlockable boot loader, root, TWRP, and now Lollipop. And runs on AT&T and T-Mobile. Easy to buy on eBay from Puerto Rico (U.S. Territory). I own two and am running one on AT&T prepaid GoPhone.

The XT1250 has a different FCC ID, but is still a Motorola "Quark" phone, like the XT1250 Moto Maxx and the XT1254 Droid Turbo.

So, if you want unlockable boot loader and development, either Moto Maxx is the way to go. If you want to run it on Verizon, looks like that CDMA/LTE XT1250 is worth investigating...

________

here's the Cellcom listing for it:

MOTO MAX XT1250

http://www.cellcom.com/device.html?id=451&navtype=personal&categoryid=1#.VNwmsvnF_-s

Comes in RED Kevlar or BLACK Ballistic (which has Kevlar underneath).

I just found this: http://www.nwmcell.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/HAC-INFORMATION-01-16-15.pdf

The Moto Maxx XT1250 has the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo (XT1254): IHDT56PK1

Whereas the Moto Maxx XT1225 has a different FCD ID, but it still a Motorola Quark phone.

Our XT1225 Moto Maxx has 64GB internal memory, and is GSM/HSPA/LTE. No CDMA. LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. ("Official" specs do not show LTE band 5, but it's there.)

Otherwise identical.

We have unlockable bootloader, and thus root & TWRP.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theycallmerayj:
Any new info? Obviously it's a holiday, but we are already into "next week" and it still seems like nothing is going on.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Chewbaccalypse:
I would assume that they aren't going to regress back to the awful days of Moto Blur. Then again there is always the chance that a new owner will **** things up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jhall8:
I wouldn't count on people posting in this forum to have any inside info in the first place.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Chewbaccalypse:
I think the point is we don't know what is causing the hangup. It is a big transition to Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dbornack:
Tweeted at Moto about it, just because.. nothing definitive, of course.

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sting5566:
What you have to remember is the soak test will have nothing to do with VZW, so it's two separate things.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
It does because the soak test will be based on final software. Verizon does testing on the builds submitted by Motorola and they determine if it can be final or not.

Typically soaks go into public releases just days after if no serious issues are found.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
What if Verizon is waiting to release lollipop for the Droid Turbo until the Nexus 6 is being sold by them and both get 5.1 as a special agreement between Moto and VZW and then it's like you have 3 flavors of motorola (Nexus, turbo, moto x) exclusively at Verizon? Dream scenario.

I think it's possible they won't release lollipop for Turbo until they start selling nexus 6 at verizon. Makes sense.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
Yea doubt it's that. They would've held on the moto X then. Their just being slow
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
Maybe just maybe there was a bug. Everyone would then be wanting to know why it was rushed. We won't ever know.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] distortedloop:
There is a bug... It's called Lollipop. Seriously.

Lollipop in its current iteration turned my 2014 X into a buggy, memory killing mess. Trust me, until they have the base which fixes the memory leaks, our Turbos are better off without the soak test.

If I were a soak tester, wink wink, I'd probably not accept the soak until I knew what base version of Lollipop it is. 5.0x, no thanks.

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
I guess we'll find out. Remember the Nexus 6 is coming in a week so unless we get it before then then it's possible. I can understand why they'd wait because if they release lollipop for Turbo before nexus is here people might jump on the turbo instead of nexus (those that don't care for unlock/root or don't want the 6 inch beast) which could hurt sales. So if we don't get it until nexus is here, it's definitely a possibility as to why they waited.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I'll bet you money that The Turbo isn't getting 5.1 as its first Lollipop release.

Think about the possible issues for a second.

It is one of the few devices that has VoLTE on Verizon, but it is partly broken.

It also has contextual cores, same as Moto X 2014, but it has a different SoC.

It has a higher resolution screen than any phone with Lollipop on Verizon.

Now throw Lollipop into it. It is very likely it clashed with something, probably VoLTE. There is no way in hell Verizon will pass it if VoLTE doesn't work right with it. If verizon doesn't consider it a candidate, it doesn't go to soak.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
VOLTE worked fine on the s5 lollipop update so I'm thinking it's probably not that so much as something else
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
But it never worked right for us and again, different SoC.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
Lol that is true definitely not as good of quality
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I haven't turned it on since last December, LOL.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] letsief:
People may want to reset their expectations for the upcoming update... No one ever saw anything strongly suggesting it was going go to be Lollipop. In fact, it seemed like most of us believed it was mostly a VoLTE update until the soak was delayed and the Moto Maxx Lollipop soak went out.

Rumors were/are rampant and I don't want any big surprises when the update goes out.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] w204:
Lollipop it is not!

It is only a tiny bug fix
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gr33nd3vil:
it was a small POS 38mb VOLTE fix, which I saw coming at the invite. But then they delayed it almost 4 weeks, and then they pushed this small junk out. If I was Motorola I would be embarrassed seeing that there International version has Lolli and there US Verison still doesn't. This will be my last Moto device, unless I buy a Nexus.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bjoostema:
From everything I have read they screwed the pooch with ART working correctly on this device, which will be the obvious runtime in 5.X.X, so it may yet be a while before we see lollipop. If that be the case, the result for the longer than hoped wait time is that whenever the software was developed, not enough QM was done resulting in this glaring flaw. I have a feeling they will have to fix the runtime compatibility before hurling out a version update. Just my opinion though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mikeluscher159:
Jesus Christ Verizon :(

JUST a BADLY NEEDED VoLTE fix, and it's still not out to everyone?

Things moved at a much better pace back when I had my Maxx

Still, I'm in the MFN, just sitting here waiting for a WiFi fix, and a VoLTE fix, And 5.1 would be nice sometime this year

Still beats owning an iPhone :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
iPhones get meaningful updates and more than once a year.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
Have other people gotten this? I just want to know if it's true because I have a hard time with w204's credentials on xda (junior member, joined xda Feb 2015, 1st post) I'm not saying it's false I just want to know if other's have gotten it. I looked at my System version and I see "quark_verizon.verizon.en.US" after the 21.44.8 so is his version true too? I (as other's) just want to confirm this is the possible impending update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] w204:
My username was the same on here as it was for MFN.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] omniatic:
Got it this morning. 21.44.12 installed. Gonna see if it's an improvement over the last one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
OK cool. I wasn't calling him a liar I just wanted to make sure other's got it as well. When only 1 person says something it's easy to be skeptical, when more say the same then ok. My apologies to w204. Well if anything any update is welcome.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maxmousee:
Hopefully it fixes the 10 seconds lag :(

If you have any link, please post here for everybody :D

Thanks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aFancyTickler:
not disappointed that it isn't lollipop, this may mean that we may actually get 5.1 , which I feel is worth the wait ?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
This is such bs smh
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] azwillnj:
VoLTE

Just got the update, maybe I can turn VoLTE back on now? It would be nice to be able to use my phone as a phone again.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aFancyTickler:
can someone get the update url using this , http://www.droid-life.com/2014/06/05/download-nexus-ota-url-file/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Not using VoLTE prevented using it as a phone?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] azwillnj:
Using VoLTE prevented it from holding phone calls, in Washington DC, where LTE grows on trees. I should have been more clear, hopefully the update will allow me to use VoLTE to make calls.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mbar9607:
I have yet to get the update
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
The update is just 35mb and only fixes bugs and volte
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] czabe:
I am in Northern VA and I had to turn that Advance Calling Off. I had never dropped so many calls, felt like I was back on ATT.