yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daxliniere:
Hey Larna, awesome stuff, my man!

@WizeMan - "...it would be really cool if we could scroll down also with the up down keys..."

Do you mean the scroll wheel? I think that would be a great function.

IDEA: I disagree with the having a tiny alphabet on the main window. Instead, like Sygic .Contacts Mobile, iContact should have a popup alphabet menu, but to take it further than .Contacts;

make the alphabet list fill the WHOLE SCREEN. This would also make it very "thumb friendly"

There was a keyboard program I had on my Motorola A1000 which is basically the view I was thinking of for iContact's alphabet menu:

Here's a screenshot I found:

IDEA: What about diagonal scrolling? Vertical scroll = existing speed, top left to bottom right = high speed (the fastest speed in v0.2) and

Top right to Bottom left displays fullscreen alphabet menu

?

P.S. Current font looks great!!

You're doing a great job Larna! (and check your private message box)

And Mr Threepwood, your contributions have not gone unnoticed :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
hi daxliniere, I like idea about keyboard... i think it's better than letters on a side because us resolution is very low, regarding scrollwheel i was already thinking about it, now i'm ending my ABC but it's usefull only with stylo.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daxliniere:
I'm interested to know, what do you think of the diagonal scrolling idea?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
I don't Like it :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daxliniere:
Ahhh, so you love it then? :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
no :P maybe I could try to take search with keyboard but first i have to solve find item from abc side :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] WizeMan:
Well yeah for TyTn users the Scroll weel and for Wizard Users (like me :p) the voice up-down or the pad up-down keys ;p Would be awesome wouldnt it? To be honest If it was like that i would just replace my wm6 contacts. (the iCall cant be used with one hand now, scroll down works fine but scroll up with the thumb is damn hard).

I agree to the pop-up alphabet menu but not with the diagonal scrolling, it would make iCall really complex to use. I would prefer a settings function with speed option, what do you think?

Another idea: Why don't you make a scrollable horizontal line with the alphabet letters? That it could scroll using the stylus or the left-right keys of the D-Pad ? and when a letter is clicked the contacts list would autoscroll to the first name with that letter...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daxliniere:
Hey WizeMan,

The reason I would like fullscreen alphabet is so that when I'm in a hurry or driving (phone in cradle with handsfree, of course), I can easily navigate with one finger.

Horizontal scrolling like would certainly LOOK sexy, but I think fullscreen would be more utilitarian.

The reason I think diagonal scrolling to activate another menu is good is because this way, you don't have to waste valuable screen-real-estate on a button just to open the fullscreen alphabet view.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
I'm having a problem with LVM_FINDITEM message and that is making me troubles to complete my ABC, but as you can see, ABC on the side can be used only with stylo and not finger that's why i think Keyboard it's the better solution.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daxliniere:
Program icon

Can we get an icon happening for this puppy?

Oliy, are those icons in your photoshopped examples yours?

Perhaps someone could whip us up a few icons for Larna to choose from?

In the meantime...

Post #2:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=302522

Use ?outres.dll,-10000 for built-in contacts icon.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Oliy:
Nope, just stolen off Google images.

I still think having a big, thumb friendly scrollbar on the right hand side would be simplest to use, it doesn't take up too much screen but it is still big enough to easily use with your thumb.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] uniqueboy:
Me again,

How about making the scroll speed relative to the xy finger position?

Scroll on right side faster, on left side slower, or vice versa.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] robertn:
what about if you made the abc function more like a regular phone dialpad? So you'd tap the "abc area" three times for a c, the "mno area" twice for an n etc.

i like uniqueboy suggestion about faster scrolling on 1 side of the screen than the other.

maybe the app could open up halfway through the list of numbers too? that way at worst you'd only have to go halfway through the list. This might become unnecessary with working abc function.

and finally i think it would be cool if there was a fixed part at the bottom to go directly to favourites (speed dial, but preferably not the default speed dial as its very ugly), call history, maybe add a new contact, etc.

still loving this app though, very good :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] alex_ban2001:
@Larna

Hello mate. That's a very interesting app you made over here and I'm sure that there a lot more to come with your development and our friends encouragement. I would suggest as "robertn" above mentioned, that you could dedicate some space over or under the scrolling area, for some buttons (alphabet, options,...). Like he said once you minimize the names to scroll with the letter you want, you don't need so big surface to do it. Plus, my opinion is that you could use smaller font (some names don't fit) and definitely fit more contacts on screen by making smaller the each row. I hope, I helped a bit my self too in getting this little app to grow.

Alex:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] uniqueboy:
Hi Larna, if the scroll speed were a variable based on the x axis position I think it would be nice because what I personally really like about your app is it,s perfect simplicity in the appearance and the interface. It would be nice if no further interface were required. A setting for user defined speed, no need.

But I love it just as it is.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
the simple small ABC is working :) try it
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] akhnot:
Hi Guybrush,

I just tried and the scolling is pretty hard. most of the time it selects the line.

As per the letters. How do you use them. Tapping them does not do anything

Tried on a asus P535 with WM5

Keep up the good work
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
u should keep pressed on the letter until it active or double tap, selection don't active the item... just paint the one u are over to activate it always keep pressed or double tap otherwise it's only paint to tell you are pointing it. My app haven't functionality to open contacts, send sms or call... it's just for testing, for do that use Larna app.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
code isn't optimized yet so should look a bit slow now
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] akhnot:
Ok got it.

But then I think you should try to get bigger boxes with groups of letter.

a-c, d-f ....

Reason is that it is impossible to use the letter without the stilus and then the improvemtn compared to the existing contact app is not that that big.

Everything should be doable with the finger.

One tap to get the first letters and scroll would be perferct from a usability point of view. At least this is what I think;

Thanks anyway for all your efforts
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
yes I know, and I'm thinking to do also something different :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] diaftia:
Is there any way to remap the contacts button that is in the phone application? After you make a call there are 6 soft buttons on the phone application itself. Any way to remap those? At that point you would really never see the old WM contacts application.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Cifer:
I dont like it, it still has a bad movement and there are some bugs like a company is shown as a contact... larnas one is still better ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
I'm not in competion with larna, and I'm not releasing my app, it's only a test application to try some solutions alternative but let me know how I should display company name ? and what about bad movements ? report me the bugs and i'll be glad to find a solution :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Andy Phillips:
It might just be me!

@Larna, Guybrush,

Thanks guys for all your work on this wonderful app! I personally love it and have been using it non stop for making calls whilst driving....

It might just be me but when I select a contact to email the email address is messed up a bit and I have to edit it before sending, e.g;

"\"fred bloggs\" <fred.bloggs@anemailaddress.co.uk>"

I think this may be because I use Blackberry Connect as my email service...possibly. If I start messaging and start a new mail in the usual way the address is inputted fine e.g:

"fred bloggs" <fred.bloggs@anemailaddress.co.uk>;

If there's any chance you could look at this for your next releases........!!!

Again..wonderful work!:)

Andy.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] p9939068:
Hmm i dont think it's very nice of you to "hijack" larna's thread, get so many people to "test" your app for you, and then at the end of the day not releasing the final app...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
larna app is better than mine, and forum doesn't need two contacts app :) I'm developing solutions alternative first to learn and second they could be applied by larna if he likes and maybe in future and third i could apply them in a future project :) People are free to test and give me reports, i don't force nobody and I also speak with larna about this project and how improve it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Andy Phillips:
The spirit of cooperation!! It's what forums like these are all about:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] larna:
Hi Andy,

I'm not really sure if that kind of problems can be caused by my app. Cause all iContact does is to open system contact detail window. That application should then work just the same as if it was opened by standard system contact chooser. That is because my app doesn't have anything to do with phone numbers or email adresses. It just tells system what contact to display.

Thx for comments,

larna
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Andy Phillips:
Larna...you are completely correct! After some further testing I found that selecting a contact and selecting send email (blackberry) from the WM6 contacts app, it messes it up. :o

Sorry to 'blame' your app!!

Looks like this is a 'feature' of WM6!

Thanks again for your app :)

Andy.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] larna:
Hi p9939068,

Guybrush is not hijacking my thread. We are both new to pocketpc programming and are enjoying having fun with code, trying to make cool stuff, that would acctuall be usable. We exchanged a lot of ideas, many code solutions, and it is pretty naturally for me that Guybrush releases some of his own test of same kind of app in this thread. There is posibility that some of his test will be incorporated in iContact.

Besides, this forum is about development, and this are development efforts to make life easier to poor Windows Mobile users who use system default contact chooser. ;)

larna
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stan2:
I have a request.

Can you change the program back to the OK button instead of the X? because I have a hard ok button on my device and b4, it would close the program and I like that. Now it just run and that make my device slower. I also have found that I can use the directional pad buttons on the program before, now I can't. I sometime want to use the d-pad too. Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] larna:
It shouldn't make your device any slower, because it doesn't do anything in the background. But it starts faster when you call it again. It uses 23 kB of memory, and that is really small amount.

As for directional keys, yes, that is on my todo list. Keep in mind that current iContact version is 0.2, it isn't beta yet IMHO, so it's many things to be done before reaching the beta status ;)

For minimizing the app you can use RED phone button. For now, the app will be a window, not a dialog with OK button.

larna
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stan2:
alright, thanks for considering. I'll just wait for the progress.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] YoLoLo:
I've just discovered this app... Great looking !

Amazing that it is your first PPC programm ! Sounds very promizing ! :D

As i appreciate your work, may i criticize it ? (in a good mood, of course)

Can this app be closed as a regular programm, using the "X" button (or key) ??

Also, a little more options to choose the size of the font, and the sorting (ex 1st-last name, last-first name, save as, etc...) would be a good thing...

And the ability to open a third party soft PIM would be the "cherry on the cake" ! (ex : PocketInformant, AgendaFusion)

Keep up the good work !!! :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
- added scrollwheel + dpad support

- easyscrolling

- improved speed

- fixed bug for company contacts now it display company + business phone
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] YoLoLo:
Great ! Thks... I like it better and better ! How many guys are programming in this superb tool ???

But 3 issues in SScontacts (scrollingstone.exe)

- When the text is "too" long, it jumps to the 2nd line and override the phone number... Try to enter a contact with "Traiteur Russo-arménien"... Bad looking ;)

- I haven't succeed to dial or send SMS with the 2 icons appearing when selecting contact...

- The scroll process is fluid, but making it scroll (taping with thumb) a contact is selected each time... Not a big issue...

BTW, thanks again for this great app... Now, i can live without IPh... ;)

Good addition to have a OK button to close properly the app !!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
Thanks Yololo

- yes for text I haven't added a check but i could do it changing font size based on lenght of name. I'll put it on my todo things.

- dial and sms icons and contact show aren't enabled. It's only a test application.

- current row is selected each time to inform you the contact are u pointing but it's active only with double tap or keeping it pressed, it's my choice.

I'm speaking with larna maybe he'll add scrollwheel support in is app too :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sx1-doc:
thanks for the good work

icontact 0.2 work great,perfect scroling,and easy use.

sscontact look good and nice idea for the sms and caling icon,huge problems by scrolling ,i need to try more then 3 times to scroll but it always select a contact and stick.

thanks for the great programms.

PPC-DOC

ASUS P525 GER.

4 GB mini sd .

iblue bluetooth GPS receiver.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freeyayo50:
Doesn't run that good on my 8125. Scrolling is very jumpy. Looks great though.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
- solved long text contact

- improved scrolling procedure

scrolling should be better i don't know how to do better than it... it's hard for me because I don't have a slow pda to try it, in my p3600 works very good.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] YoLoLo:
Ok tested ! Thks again !

It's true that now, the font self resizes to fit the screen... But sometimes, with long names, we need a magnifier ! :D

And i've just seen that some dial number aren't displayed (and there are some, of course !)

Also, i've go a bunch of "&" in my contacts... And it is displayed "_"... All other funky caps like "éàô" are ok !
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
OMG u have so long names =) regarding contacts, well it display only Mobile Number for Person and Business Number for Company at the moment :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SHAHS:
@GUYBRUSH

Is Your File Compatible For Wm2003se ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sx1-doc:
hi Guybrush

the second file is better ,but still icontact v2 is way smoother.

You said "it's hard for me because I don't have a slow pda to try it" i hope you dont mean the ASUS p525 running 520 mhz at the moment (top benchmark scores)!!!!you better check the data sheets.

keep it up with this good work.

PPC-DOC
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
@sx1-doc, in my p3600 works good :) I don't know why and what kind of problems you reports.. icontact have less graphics, it's more tiny of course is also more fluid.. I did my best but I don't find solutions at the moment to improve it. BTW it's only a test application, use larna app :)

@SHAHS, that's is for WM5
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SHAHS:
@GUYBRUSH

Alright, Will You Make Your App For Wm2003se?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
@SHAHS at the moment no, use larna app.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freeyayo50:
Jus tested...and maybe your right. Maybe the Wizard can't handle your app. It's running slightly better than the last one, but the scrolling is still a lil jerky.

Question - what is the purpose of having the alphabet on the side of the screen??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
it was just for test, don't forget.... this is a testing app ;) and if u use a stylo it could be usefull... I'll make also a dialog with a big keyboard to make quick searchs and after a menu to enable and disable features, this is in my TODO list... now i'm enjoying in programming, it's my first pocket pc app and I have a lot to learn, I'm not earning nothing doing it, so don't ask me things and don't pretend nothing, I'm giving as i can support to larna devoloping my app and talking about programming with him.. if u like this app well, if u don't... it's simple don't use it... I do what I can, and I like when people reports me bug and explain me well the problems found and if I can i try to solve them but I'm not a professional developer.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
I also made a Lite version for you so u can test scrolling without graphics, report me if you still have problems. I have tested it on a p3300 and it works enogh well, with and without graphics.. of course without graphics it is more fluid.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freeyayo50:
When I tap down on the screen then slide the stylus up....the list does not move until I take the stylus off the screen (while going in the same motion). Is this how you wanted the app to operate??

With Larna's app...when I move the stylus up, the list moves at the same time. It feels more fluid.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
@freeyayo50 yes, it was working like that.

I tried to do a new procedure about scrolling i need some opinion
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freeyayo50:
Oh ok. If that's the case, it was working pretty good than. The scrolling speed was a lil too high though.

Now with this version...it moves similiar to Larna's app. But it is still jerky. When I tap and drag, the list moves as it should (only while dragging slowly), but when i let go, it just stops and does not keep moving. When I do a fast drag and realease, the list does not move until I take the stylus off the screen.

BTW - The scrolling speed when doing a fast drag is good.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rodete:
working fine on Eten M700

Good job. Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rcperez:
Larna:

Working great on Atom/Ipaq - also tried it on a Samsung i750 (WM2003) everythings working but its kinda slow, the i750 has 412mhz, is there any way for it to run more smoother in 2003?

BR :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] larna:
I don't have the wm2003 device, so i can only test in emulator. And i can't test speed in emulator.

Sorry, I don't know what could be the problem.

larna
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Anth:
dear larna,

got a little request from me. Can u make your v0.2 to "Close" instaed of minimize, when we click the ok button?

Many thanks if you albe to do so.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Nom@d:
some posts ago larna said that it's done on purpose to speed up loading the app, besides it's really small in size.

if you still want to close it use special app "htc x-button", you may find it somewhere on this forum.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Oliy:
Attached is larna's great app packaged in a CAB installer.

There are 3 variants:

iContact v0.2.cab

Installs iContact and places a link in Start/Programs

iContact v0.2 plus softkey.cab

As above and also adds a registry key so that the right softkey on your today screen will say "iContact" and run iContact.

iContact softkey only.cab

Adds the registry key only. DOES NOT INSTALL iContact.

All I have done is package up the existing application (v0.2). I can't help with any program related queries. If you want to edit the cabs to your own end use WinCE Cab Manager.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daxliniere:
Hey Oliy!

Great idea!

Can I ask, though, that you add "0.2" to each of the filenames? It already gets confusing when Guybrush (no offence intended Mr Threepwood!) re-releases his test app with no version number.

Also, please modify your post to read "All I have done is package up the existing application (v0.2)." instead of "(v2)"

Yes, I'm pedantic, but I think it minimises confusion.

Thanks and all the best,

Dax.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rcperez:
is the notification only for 2005? it doesnt show on the 2003. Default handlers are still in play (top notification and pop up message).

All else thanks for a wonder program :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Anth:
Thanks for that xbutton application. It works perfectly on my BA. Problem solved.

Anth
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
here how could appear a keyboard popup :) I have only to add buttons for search and draw it nice, but idea is simple press one softbutton and a big keyboard appear :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
new version 13/05

what's new :

- update scroll procedure

- added big keyboard (search is not working yet)

next steps :

- resolve some bugs :P

- optimize some parts of code :P

- add search procedure

- draw a better graphic for keyboard keys

try and let me know how u feel it... I did not use a qwerty or alphabetic layout but i decided to use most common used letters in center of keyboard and less common in the sides. To close Keyboard tap Ok :)

- Attachment removed
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rhov23:
iContact bug wm2003se

First of all, thanks for the eyeCANDY app!

It looks great! And the scrolling is really good! :D

One little bugthingy:

when I enter a contact from iContact, and exits the contacts info,

I come back to the icontact program, but it has a little bug.

The bottom part is missing. :eek:

You can see it in the picture.

A good way to get rid of it would maybe be an option to exit program when opening a contact, maybe?

Thanks, and good luck with the sweetest app! :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freeyayo50:
I dont know if I should keep commenting on your app becuase it is optimize for a faster device, but I'll comment on this one.

The scrolling is not great on my device. I tap and drag and the list moves...when it comes to a stop, I tap and drag again and the list does nothing.

Also, if the list is already moving and I try to tap and drag, the list just stops. This happens most of the time with both situations, but sometimes it does work.