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[Nexus 5 General] kaushikd:
Seriously guys? iOS vs Android? This comparison doesn't even deserve a single post, atleast in xda. iOS is nowhere near Android. :rolleyes:

Sent from Hammerhead!
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
The only time my iPhone 5s started to freeze was back on iOS 8.1 since then 8.2 - 8.3 has resolved all the issues
[Nexus 5 General] faizalmzain:
i'm running stock 5.1, it runs perfectly since then, prior to 5.1, yes the memory leak issue was there.

i can't believe some people claim ipad mini 1 is running smoothly,

i did use iphone 5, all sorts of ipad including ipad mini 1 and the retina one.

ipad mini is slow on latest iOS even the retina version.

iphone5 is alright though

but now i sold all my apple gadgets except for macbook pro.

and sold my htc m8 and bought nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
According to Wikipedia, the iPad mini (1st generation) was released: November 2, 2012

That makes that device about 3 years old now, It's specs are pretty low 1Ghz Dual Core CPU, 512MB Ram

The iPhone 4 has a Single core 800Mhz CPU and 512MB Ram, Yet iOS 7.1 hums along it smoothly.

Sure the iPad mini isn't as smooth as the newer models however it is very usable and not to the point of like a Nexus 7 or Nexus 9 that WAS on Android 5.0
[Nexus 5 General] nomancoolboy:
My 4 years old optimus one runs smoothly on kitkat 4.4.4 . 600mhz single core 512mb ram . i just installed the OS on a class 10 sdcard and its faster than ever .

The point is it doesnt work smoothly all the time .. Occasional stutters and long pauses between operations.. Its the same case with older iOS devices ..
[Nexus 5 General] adichandra:
Been running chroma os 5.1.1 aosp based for few days. It's been great. No memory leak issue so far
[Nexus 5 General] kinderko1000:
Please I have android 5.1 and I have question if somebody has battery drain like me on this screen? Any solutions?
[Nexus 5 General] Harmveenstra:
A picture of the screen before this (Use since last charge) would tell a bit more?
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
Your bars are too steep because of the sum of time.

Enviado do meu Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] Masteryates:
In my days of the Nexus 5 running 4.4.4, I could go for months without a restart. :highfive:

For me, 4.4.4 was the, "XP," of Android. :angel:
[Nexus 5 General] doctor_droid:
View attachment 3322578

Love the new buggy battery indicator.. I didnt liked green anyway :p
[Nexus 5 General] msgfromside3:
Looks like 5.1.1 is out although I can't find the factory image yet, which is what I need.
[Nexus 5 General] californicated:
You can grab the OTA URL for us :)

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/06/05/download-nexus-ota-url-file/
[Nexus 5 General] msgfromside3:
Unfortunately it was already downloaded and logcat doesn't return anything with "android.clients". Any other way?
[Nexus 5 General] californicated:
Could you please look for the OTA file in /cache?
[Nexus 5 General] gierso:
if you have not installed it yet i believe the install its at least on /cache
[Nexus 5 General] onesolo:
Give us the OTA !!! lolol
[Nexus 5 General] madiweb:
Changelog?
[Nexus 5 General] Smoosh1:
OTA Link

Here the link to the 5.1.1 OTA files. The website is in German, but better than nothing ;)

http://www.giga.de/downloads/android/news/android-5.1.1-lollipop-download-der-factory-images-und-ota-files-fuer-nexus-geraete-uebersicht/

Changelog:

http://www.androidpolice.com/android_aosp_changelogs/android-5.1.0_r5-to-android-5.1.1_r1-AOSP-changelog.html
[Nexus 5 General] NickFe:
The latter is for an earlier release of 5.1.1 (r1). 5.1.1 for N5 is r3 and the changelog is not yet available.
[Nexus 5 General] JassyNL:
Is there a new radio on the new OTA ??
[Nexus 5 General] VivaErBetis:
Yes, 2.0.50.2.26
[Nexus 5 General] humzaahmed155:
Sweet! Is this 5.1.1r2?
[Nexus 5 General] VivaErBetis:
No, 5.1.1r3
[Nexus 5 General] msgfromside3:
Sorry, I don't want to share out the file. No one should use the image not hosted by google actually.
[Nexus 5 General] incaner:
https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/hammerhead-lmy48b-factory-596bb9c1.tgz

LMY48B for N5 (Image not the ota)
[Nexus 5 General] VivaErBetis:
LMY48B 5.1.1 2.0.50.2.26 Radio TESTED OK!

I don't have a nexus 5 to test this, but this command should work to patch the previous radio:

bspatch radio-hammerhead-m8974a-2.0.50.2.25.img modem.img radio.img.p

Where:

- radio-hammerhead-m8974a-2.0.50.2.25.img = radio image from LMY47D/I factory image
- modem.img = radio-hammerhead-m8974a-2.0.50.2.26.img (after patching)
- radio.img.p = patch from LMY48B OTA

After patching here is the LMY48B radio in image (fastboot) and recovery flashable formats:

NEXUS5_LMY48B_RADIO.img 44.4 MB: https://mega.co.nz/#!vkkhVazb!WEwOq1CFGEIvQxLrqRi9hiV-sziMZy1zJW-AG8tzg9A

NEXUS5_LMY48B_RADIO.zip 21.1 MB: https://mega.co.nz/#!Hkc3ESwC!PAb5t9noa7YnFWKDW8_OiUXrIiBCsfflmSDDRMVC5u4

Mirror:

NEXUS5_LMY48B_RADIO.img 44.4 MB: http://www89.zippyshare.com/v/DEu9E0W2/file.html

NEXUS5_LMY48B_RADIO.zip 21.1 MB: http://www81.zippyshare.com/v/MeccvS9G/file.html
[Nexus 5 General] L.F.B.:
If this is r3 the same of nexus 6 well, theres no memory leak fix
[Nexus 5 General] VivaErBetis:
Are you sure? AFAIK Nexus 6 is still in 5.1.0...
[Nexus 5 General] onesolo:
Does only the radio got an update or does more stuff also got it, like kernel ?!?

I hope that the radio fixes the GPS bug...
[Nexus 5 General] VivaErBetis:
Everything was updated, even bootloader.
[Nexus 5 General] ballmead:
Hammerhead 5.1.1 factory images are up:

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] L.F.B.:
Radio flashable already out...

new bootloader flashable, anyone? Thanks in advance :)
[Nexus 5 General] jlmcr87:
Updated first post.
[Nexus 5 General] thesebastian:
I am feeling 5.1.1 LMY48B a bit faster than 5.1 (100% stock here). (But not the same difference we had from 5.0.X to 5.1.0).

I hope the Auto-Rotate issue is fixed....(It has not appeared so far).

Flash light bug still here (yesterday I was using my flashlight and after a few minutes stopped working for many hours. Until I made a reboot of course).

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] boko34:
Memory leak seems to be fixed. Have to test in at least for some day to comfirm. Flashlight bug is still here. After couple of minutes its just turn off and you are unable to use your camere until you reboot your phone.
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
Bounce scrolling still here, too.

Enviado do meu Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] jlmcr87:
Despite of been marked as solved in the android bugtracker..................
[Nexus 5 General] jlmcr87:
Not able to reproduce it, tried for more than 5 minutes and flashlight still on.
[Nexus 5 General] tonyt3rry:
why is google so sloppy with the android development lately, if anything lollipop has been a curse for android fed up with each update bringing a new bug over and promises of bug fixes.

flashlight bug has been in lollipop from the start
[Nexus 5 General] oxfordmark:
I cant sideload 5.1.1 i get an error that it cannot read update.zip.
[Nexus 5 General] tonyt3rry:
ditto
[Nexus 5 General] Kc_Nirvana:
Lollipop it's to Android what IOS7 were to Iphone...

A big drastic change...

So it's expectable more bugs than previous versions...

I expect that Android M goes in line with Lollipop but more focused in resolving LP bugs...
[Nexus 5 General] anshmiester78900:
Any root method available as of now ?
[Nexus 5 General] GamaX320:
can I know the latest build got new bootloader and radio???
[Nexus 5 General] keeps54:
Hi experts,

I've got a Nexus 5 that I haven't updated since I got it so it's still running 4.4.4 Build KTU84P.

It has been prompting me to update to 5.0.1 for quite a while but due to the memory leak bug I haven't done so.

Now 5.1.1 is out, which supposedly fixes this, will my phone eventually prompt me with this or will I have to do the update to 5.0.1 first?

Thanks in advance, Paul
[Nexus 5 General] Stainless7221:
Hey, are there any new functions in 5.1.1? I am looking for the option to disable the notification led during downtime.
[Nexus 5 General] Sisqo:
you have to update to the version prompted first which is 5.0.1, i downgraded my nexus 7 2012 to 4.2.2 from 5.1 and then on 4.2.2 i was prompted update to 4.3, from 4.3 to 4.4.2 and so on.
[Nexus 5 General] Zenouzenou:
Imo google is being lazy with 5.1.x because they put all efforts to make a perfect 5.2...(i have a dream...)
[Nexus 5 General] darthanubis:
Still, none of the issues you guys have.
[Nexus 5 General] Gorgtech:
Edit: camera light bug seems to be fixed too.

I´m rather pissed because of the GPS bug in Google Maps and hopefully 5.1.1 has fixed this one.

I´ll have to try it out later.
[Nexus 5 General] SFCMouco:
Flash ZIP

Is there anyone outthere that can provide a TWRP flash zip from this version (since i do not have acesse to a computer for a few days)

Thanks in advance
[Nexus 5 General] pavik62:
Rom 5.1.1 lmy48b

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Pzf3SOfzaIWm9Hai01X0xRNXc/view?usp=sharing

Radio+Bootloader

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Pzf3SOfzaIZWFJWlV5M2RwT1k/view?usp=sharing
[Nexus 5 General] kaushikd:
is root working with 5.1.1?
[Nexus 5 General] Ja_som:
Yes
[Nexus 5 General] kaushikd:
what is the correct method to update the OTA.zip? Do I need to flash the boot and system image files from existing version before sideloading the OTA?
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
+1 Flashlight bug still exists

+1 Scroll bouncing still exists

However Google did fix the memory leak eh..
[Nexus 5 General] madiweb:
How you checked that google has fixed the memory leak?

Can you tell me which is the number of the new radio?
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Only time will tell, however I've tried to replicate the memory leak test and it didn't work so that implys its been patched.

5.1.1 also feels very smooth and slick compared to 5.1
[Nexus 5 General] miticogirl:
Battery life is terrible I got only 1:20h of screen time
[Nexus 5 General] hickup:
:D
[Nexus 5 General] borgsta:
What is the scroll bounce bug?

Did everyone that is starting x bug is still present do a factory reset?
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
Flashlight bug just hit me... Oh boy...

Enviado do meu Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] Jakeuten:
Scrolling from the middle or bottom of the page all the way to the top makes it scroll all the way back down. I experience it too.
[Nexus 5 General] SCFirefighter:
I don't have that. I flashed the full image again (removed the -w wipe) and flashed twrp. One boot into twrp and I got root back. That's the way I always flash.

I have never seen this bounce. Odd.
[Nexus 5 General] JonasVFC:
can't make a call, send sms or connect to internet after flash the factory image...already tried to take off the sim card and re-inserted but it didn't help. anybody with the same issue?
[Nexus 5 General] bliizzz:
Face unlock is still broken, works good for some time like for a day. Makes the front camera unoperable.
[Nexus 5 General] borgsta:
Glad i don't have this bug, would annoy big time
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Maybe Google will pull an Apple "You're scrolling it wrong!"

---------- Post added at 05:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:08 AM ----------

I'm starting to think it's a feature rather than a bug??

Never the less, if you scroll like a reasonable person it won't show, if you scroll like a crack head, then yes.. it'll bounce back

so maybe Google will pull an Apple "You're scrolling it wrong!"
[Nexus 5 General] xvanwilderx:
Anyone having success with flashing bootloader from TWRP? doesn't seem to be working based on version #
[Nexus 5 General] californicated:
Go into contacts and scroll up with some very fast swipes. You'll be surprised ;)
[Nexus 5 General] borgsta:
Lol worked a treat. From middle to top to bottom and back to top
[Nexus 5 General] jaibar:
Do you know what versions are in the linked radio+bootloader flashable zip? 10x
[Nexus 5 General] Wakamatsu:
Radio: M8974A-2.0.50.2.26

Bootloader: HHZ12h
[Nexus 5 General] Comed1an:
I have never encountered the bounce on my normal use, but tried what californicated suggested and yes that bouncing does occur still on 5.1.1

For me this is a minor issue, actually more fun to see what I can bounce. [emoji14]
[Nexus 5 General] californicated:
Another not fixed bug:

Swipe down statusbar twice and click settings icon --> fine

Double-tap status bar, swipe down once and click settings icon --> animation is flickering
[Nexus 5 General] Atok_fr:
This animation works wells for me.
[Nexus 5 General] augoza:
Does the latest unofficial xposed work with this update? Or do I have to wait for another super duper alpha?
[Nexus 5 General] Ja_som:
This:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60731405&postcount=1404

works on my N7 with 5.1.1, I don't have 5.1.1 on my N5, now...

And is not super alpha anymore, now it's alpha ;)
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Same, works fine
[Nexus 5 General] californicated:
It is just a very short flicker when the transation animation begins. Tried it on different phones with stock 5.1.0 and 5.1.1. Happens every time, but most users won't notice it.
[Nexus 5 General] pgptheoriginal:
In my case there's only one stutter/flicker, and its barely noticeable. Retry, I think the bug is actually there, it's just not so noteworthy, compared to the other ones :D

Btw, what is this update for? All the main issues are still there, either there was a serious security flaw which Google didn't want people to know, or the memory leak definitely has been fixed.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] McGiverGim:
Yes, I have it installed. No problem.
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Memory leak was fixed which was top priority.
[Nexus 5 General] luckana:
actually it wasn't.. my device acts the same as before. 13hrs uptime for now, available ram is 800mb
[Nexus 5 General] pgptheoriginal:
I have another very annoying issue. I can't get my phone to forget one of my WiFi networks. I have a 2.4GHz "n" and a 5GHz "AC" networks at home, and I'd like my phone to forget the (slower) first one.

But even though I tap "forget", my N5 shortly reconnects to it, as soon as the 5GHz network signal becomes weak.

I'm sure the problem is that Google backed those networks up, and now they are now linked to my account.

Is there a way to delete or reset them?

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] luckana:
wifi settings - advanced - play with frequency bands. set it to either 2.4 or 5 only and one of your connections will disappear
[Nexus 5 General] ganeshp:
The mobile Radio active bug is still there with the latest Factory images?

CM recently merged the fix in their repo recently
[Nexus 5 General] cilsoe:
23 hours of uptime, system uses only 459 MB of RAM. Seems better than before.

...and has just fallen to 384 MB of RAM...
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
You sir, do not remember how Android works.. Attached below are screenshots Kitkat vs Lollipop.

This is a memory leak.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu8r9EQ7N-g

Which can no longer be replicated in 5.1.1 - Therefore it's been patched.
[Nexus 5 General] luckana:
Okay sir. My available ram dropped from 1.2gb to 700mb in 14 hours, 8 of which i was asleep. That's totally fine right ?

While your pic of kitkat shows the same amount of free ram, look the uptime of 125hrs. The same happens on lollipop, but... for 14 hours. What's what sir
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Totally fine, Take any Kitkat device, reboot it from a clean start it'll have also maybe 1.2-1.5GB ram free... After a couple hours of usage it'll drop down to 500-700MB.

So that right there is normal.
[Nexus 5 General] luckana:
I can't and will never agree on that. No memory leaks is a state i experienced back on kitkat when my free ram stood up at 1.1gb for one or two days.
[Nexus 5 General] pfmiller:
Probably. RAM is meant to be used, do you want that memory to be available forever?

Signs of a memory leak are having no apps in cache and your running apps restarting over and over again. These things are both gone for me for the first time in 7 months. Just saying your memory is being used is not evidence of any problem.
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Not for me, it's possible there is another memory leak but the one that's been highly discussed on this thread has been patched.

From what I see, it looks normal.
[Nexus 5 General] luckana:
Yes i understand about this farm heroes leak. I have never dealt with it just because intentionally recreating a problem isn't my thing. But it is a fact that there IS something. Something eats the memory over time. Somehow, somewhere. There IS a problem man, why don't people just acknowledge it.

Edit: Might be an app in my background. I have always thought it is either facebook or its messenger. But i just rely on those apps and don't wanna remove them
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Memory leak, eh? GC just kicked in yo'
[Nexus 5 General] nitramus:
I used to change sounds (Ringtones, notification) by just selecting the desired file but now I get message that the file is of incompatible format. Only difference I did this time is I sis the full factory image so I would get a full data wipe.
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
You don't measure the free RAM...

Enviado do meu Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] borgsta:
You keep measuring free RAM which is pointless. The memory leak was about system going up way too high and thus not allowing apps to stay loaded. These apps would then restart constantly.
[Nexus 5 General] anshmiester78900:
Guys can i root it by cf-auto root or i will have to install twrp recovery and then flash Su.zip to achieve root ?
[Nexus 5 General] limeaid:
Cf-auto worked for me
[Nexus 5 General] anshmiester78900:
cool thanks
[Nexus 5 General] Edge330:
Also you can download SuperSu Zip from provided link and install through recovery.

http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu

Works fine for me.
[Nexus 5 General] pgptheoriginal:
Yes but that doesn't solve my problem. I don't want to prevent my phone from scanning for 2.4ghz networks (which I often use), I just want to delete my credentials for one particular network, which seems to be impossible.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] Wakamatsu:
Do you have any apps that monitor wifi? I had that issue where I couldn't get a network "forgotten" and it turned out that Pry-Fi (one of Chainfire's apps) had the credentials and kept logging me back in.
[Nexus 5 General] jaibar:
I think the "Free RAM" obsession is a bad habit picked in older Windows days (okay, not so old ?) where everyone using a pc with half a gig ram and rather soon would experience the computer slowing down and starting to use hard drive instead of RAM. Lots of us experienced this annoyance.

Well, for most it is a thing of the past (even windows users), but bad habits are difficult to get rid of- if looking at the abundance of ram optimizers, task killing and "performance optimzer" apps that are flooding the market- it will take some time until people realize they don't need that anymore, that RAM is meant to be used by the OS.
[Nexus 5 General] cookiehead2:
Well-said. If it's not being utilized, it's just wasting power. At the same time, though, Android needs to manage what it has available so apps aren't killed off after they lose focus for a few minutes.
[Nexus 5 General] v1c70r:
I have an issue since Android 5.1 and it's not fixed in 5.1.1. All the apps that use Internet in the background activate mobile radio indefinitely and consumes a lot of battery. There's already a report on Google's Issue Tracker but with no solution. Anyone else?
[Nexus 5 General] zerosum0:
Been using since yesterday. Seems ok

SENT BY ENTANGLEMENT
[Nexus 5 General] RusherDude:
Guys, a memory leak (on lollipop) is when you got a lot of system memory used by no app. Having the app memory full is not a problem, memory is there to be used so all good :).

To make things clearer:

System memory used: IMPORTANT, must be as low as possible. If its high, it's a leak most probably (or some opened system app doing the idiot).

User memory used: irrelevant, can be full or empty, this is memory to USE and will be used as soon as possible. Doesn't matter if no app is opened in hours, Android will try to put stuff in memory so it's cached for when needed. (There can be a user app with a memory leak but will dissapear asap the app is closed)

Please focus: did you see any chance on 5.1.1 LMY48B where system memory grew a lot? that's what we need to find out.

Stop comparing Windows against Android. Nothing to compare in terms of RAM management.
[Nexus 5 General] MrMarques01:
Excuse me Sir, but you don't seem to have the slightest idea what RAM is actually used for and why free RAM is wasted RAM.
[Nexus 5 General] rolldroids:
Excuse me Sir, but that statement is confusing and not helpful at all! It must be considered that there is a running and a cached view and unfortunately both showing free RAM. The running free RAM is not wasted.
[Nexus 5 General] MrBelter:
Was going to sideload it but windows 8 is being a nob with the drivers yet again so I'll wait until the OTA is pushed cos i just can't be arsed.
[Nexus 5 General] marjune23:
Using Facebook messenger in latest lollipop 5.1.1...

Chat heads disabled, vibrate disabled...

But still keeps on vibrating every time a notification arrived.

Works fine in previous lollipop...

Anybody have same issue?
[Nexus 5 General] pgptheoriginal:
That *might* be the solution to my issue (I had foldesync, which synced some directories of my phone on the cloud when connected to my network). Firstly, I thank you for your reply, and then I'll let you know if it worked in few days :)

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] and313:
Didnt the thread say that the memory leak is fixed... It is right? Right? ... ....
[Nexus 5 General] petkyrk:
After 1 day with CLEAN installation of stock 5.1.1, camera bug is still here guys !! so annoying !!
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
Memory leak looks like gone in 5.1.1
[Nexus 5 General] DummyPLUG:
I got abnormal battery usage, with 4.4.4 I can easily have 27hrs+ up time, with 5.1.1 I can't make it over 22hrs, even I don't use it at all. It is a full wipe.

p.s. Flash the factory image will still make it bcome 16GB on 32GB N5, requite a factory reset after flashing, how come this stupid thing still not be fix
[Nexus 5 General] augoza:
Anyone else experiencing slow WiFi? Like downloading stuff seems slower, podcast, etc.
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Lots of things are broken on Android..

http://arstechnica.com/security/201...eaves-crypto-and-login-keys-ripe-for-picking/

Google needs to revamp Android once more like it did in the past
[Nexus 5 General] JonasVFC:
Yesterday i had 6000+ wakelocks related to the RILJ. Does anyone have the same problem?
[Nexus 5 General] Edge330:
I never had problems with battery, on 5.1.1 battery is still fine, 20+ standby and 3 - 4h SOT without saving, data and wifi always on, with some notifications and contacts syncing.
[Nexus 5 General] n2rjt:
Change credentials to wrong ones?
[Nexus 5 General] Rusty!:
Looks like it's gone for me, might be too early to say though.

60 hours uptime so far.
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
We'll only know after 240 hours have passed.
[Nexus 5 General] thesebastian:
My auto rotation bug (that appeared in 5.1) is still happening in 5.1.1. Today I tried to take a Panorama photo (turning on the camera from the lock screen) and rotation was not working. Fixed it rebooting the phone.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] isamu982:
Is this normal? This is only after 8 hrs uptime btw
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
Custom ROM, can't help

Enviado do meu Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] markdapimp:
Use a stock rom
[Nexus 5 General] Rusty!:
Probably sensible, but I'm hopeful as it took about 38 hours for it to show for me on 5.1 and around 80 hours on 5.0.x
[Nexus 5 General] tanjiajun_34:
Anyone knows if the Mobile Radio Active bug is still there?

https://code.google.com/p/android/i...rs&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
[Nexus 5 General] walpurgisnacht30:
Because it didn't fixed yet by Google afaik but there is an Xposed module that can fix that issue https://github.com/coxande/XposedLollipopMobileRadioFix
[Nexus 5 General] kicksilver:
I think you mixed things up..

Enviado do meu Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] RusherDude:
By the way, on LMY48B I'm not able to replicate the flashlight bug the same way, at least in the 1-2min period like on 5.0.x-5.1 before. Does it still happen?