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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
Minor updates that do not check the file modified for root or safestrap will update successfully but you will lose root. More substantial updates that more thoroughly check for modified files will fail. E.g. NK7 updated successfully on rooted devices, OA8 failed.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Hmmm OK. Thanks for your efforts, but I'll probably wait for a solution similar to Towelroot that doesn't have that drawback.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
Rooting via any method will have exactly the same drawback.

And I don't mean this in a mean way but I don't care whether or not people use this or not. Just saw an opportunity to see what is possible before 5.0 is released for my G900A.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's the case how are rooted users on this thread able to install the OTA then?*

* Yeah I know they lose root as a result, but the point is that being rooted didn't break the OTA update process for them.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] prenedo:
Have you read the OP or any of this thread? This is how rooted users can update and keep root. Other's ODINd back to stock unrooted and took the Ota the old fashion way, before muniz put this together...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
It's apparent that you don't have much experience on this topic but their is plenty of info in the forums if you wish to search and learn more on the subject. Good luck.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Nope, according to this user you can OTA update to Lollipop while rooted in KitKat, you just lose root in the process, which is exactly what I'm used to. I haven't seen a case where rooting by itself kills OTA updates.

So yeah I did read the entire thread, although I guess one of the problems with forums such as these is people rarely offer complete, coherent explanations for anything they did, leading to misunderstandings.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Wipe the Cache and Data via the App manager..

What "kills" OTA is either freezing or uninstalling SDM.apk
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Jesus dude, this is the exact attitude that makes it so hard to learn anything in the 1st place. Everything is replied to with "read the forums." Well hell, what you think I've spent the last few hours doing? No one has posted any top-to-bottom explanation of anything, just bits and pieces of incomplete stuff, and the poor end user is left to put everything together. It's not that I'm NOT trying or reading, it's that most of what is posted here is completely unclear and very poorly documented.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Since you must have missed my post, here's what you do.............................

This is exactly how it went down for me...

1. Place the G900V_OA8_100%_Stock_Rooted_ROM and G900V_OA8_TetherAddOn.zip onto your external sd-card.

2. Use Safestrap's "Backup" function to backup your User Data.

3. Next, press "Home" and perform an "Advanced Wipe" and wipe everything but your ext-sdcard.

4. Flash the ROM using the "Stock Slot."

5. Flash the G900V_OA8_TetherAddOn.zip using the "Stock Slot."

5. Once complete press "Home" then "Restore" and restore User Data. (if you did this right, the only thing there should be data, there should be not System Data to restore)

6. Last, press "Home icon" and Reboot into "Download Mode" and flash the G900V_OA8_Stock_Kernel in Odin's PDA slot(AP in Odin v3.09+).

Done!

The phone will pause on the Verizon splash screen for about 2 minutes after following the above process before completing booting.

Notes:

1. The above process will not affect your User Data or Knox Warranty Flag.

2. This Custom ROM process will update your Modem, Non-hlos, System, Kernel, Stock Recovery, and Bootloader to OA8.

3. Safestrap will no longer function after updating to OA8 5.0. However you can access Safestrap recovery on 5.0 by flashing back the G900V_NK2_Stock_Kernel (reflash the G900V_OA8_Stock_Kernel once you are done using Safestrap).

4. When flashing the kernel the most common cause of an Odin flash failure is a bad usb port or cable. Please check before reporting a failure!

[MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] THANK YOU!!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Sdc5364:
Does anyone know what is safe to debloat yet?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] JOLiu:
For me, I froze the following apps, based mostly on this post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53447283&postcount=5:

Accessories

Amazon Kindle

Amazon MP3

Amazon Appstore

Audible

Calendar (I use google calendar instead)

Caller Name ID

Cloud

Google Play Games

Google Play Movies/TV

Google Play Music

Google Play Newstand

IMDB

Message+

My Files

My Verizon Mobile

NFL Mobile

POLARIS Office 5

Slacker

Support & Protection

Verizon Tones

Voicemail

VZ Navigator
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Sdc5364:
Thanks any issues, because that list was for 4.4.4
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Exactly. This is what I've always thought and observed in practice. So I'm really confused when people say rooting kills OTA. It doesn't.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] JOLiu:
Thus far, I have not experienced any issues.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Actually, I did read your post. It did NOT answer my question about whether that method KOs future OTA updates or not.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] damnhao:
i debloated 4.4 prior. i followed the instructions to wipe and then restore. now my phone is running really hot. is there currently a fix?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
lol, you guys are killing me. See my previous answer above and to add to it........even if the update is successfull the ota update will reset the system/xbin setuid so that the su daemon cannot run. That is why root stops functioning after taking an ota update. The root files are still there but do not have the right permissions anymore.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dejahboi:
Reports are saying to do a battery pull. I had the same issue, and after the battery pull my temps dropped.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
*Facepalms* Except that is NOT what I asked. I asked if your method kills OTA updates, NOT if OTA updates kill root. You're answering the latter question (thanks, but that doesn't help) when I specifically asked the former. I don't care whether any subsequent OTA updates kill root or not, as long as I'm (theoretically) able to get and apply them.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
The above didn't answer your question? Anyway, I'm done on this subject as the question has been answered and suggest everyone get back on topic. Thanks,
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
It would have, except it conflicts with the below which has been my observation:

Basically from my experience as long as you don't alter any of the stock apps (including SDM) OTAs will work just fine regardless of root status. But I guess I'll take your word for it and avoid your method for now as I said. Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] damnhao:
i tried this twice, each time powering off and having the battery out for 2 minutes. it's still running warm and draining battery a lot faster than 4.4.4. any other suggestions?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] neil-:
alphahere ..

This method does not appear to work with the 5.0. It does the same thing - the encryption process begins, I get to the white wireframe android logo - the device reboots and I see the samsung logo and then the red verizon logo which sticks around for about 2 minutes. Then I get a black screen with the blue notification LED pulsing. I have to pull the battery which and when the phone reboots it says encryption failed and then wipes the phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
re-flash
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] t3t5u0:
OA8 radio?

anyone have or seen the OA8 radio as a separate ODIN flashable? The monolithic ROM almost bricked my Dev. Ed and I had to ODIN flash the NI2 radio to get it bootable again. Now I'm having serious network issues. Any pointers are appreciated.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
I don't think we've seen the OA8 radio as it's own yet.. I've been watching this all day Bud. Sorry.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] killa408shark:
My wife updated her S5 (Not rooted) to lollipop and she noticed it got hot after booting up what I did was booted up to recovery and wipe cache after that was fine. Try that it might work for you too
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] lancem71:
Ok....got it all up and running. I would like to completely wipe everything and start fresh. Is that possible?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
You mean Factory Reset on 5.0 and begin again?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] lancem71:
Yes.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
I don't see why not, since when you flashed up to OA8 it's the full version of the update, just flashed, instead OTA'd..
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Then you didn't read his post.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
ill be uploading tonight
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] alphahere:
Since I am not using the S5. I will give it a shot. Will report back.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
ill be uploading my rom tonight.. removed almost 1gb of bloat lol and deodexed
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
Great to hear elliwigy, however do you know if there are any modules or apps that can change system icons like WiFi and data to the new lollipop icons and stuff? Xposed has many modules for that but xposed doesn't work on 5.0 :( and I'm trying to get the full lollipop google experience! Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Unfortunately, this is what Samsung and VZW have dealt us. For the Full Lollipop experience, you need to go Nexus. lol.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] aholeinthewor1d:
I have been away for a while so I am completely lost and trying to learn all the base versions and modems etc. If someone could list everything in order I'd appreciate it. Like I said I have been gone so trying to get everything together so it makes sense before I do anything.

I am currently on slimhyde 4.4.2. I am interested in trying all the new ROMS that I see now. Eclipse, alliance etc. What do I need to do before trying these. Also will be trying some Lollipop ROMS when they are out.

Here is my current setup. Thank you!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
Sadly enough, however, there aren't even root apps that can change icons like that?? There has to be a way other than xposed... And eclipse ROM is giving me a great google experience! Cant wait for the 5.0 upgrade!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Stay tuned for that.... also, may check out GP to see if there are any .apk's there that would emulate what you need.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
Did a quick search now and it didnt seem to have much at all. Maybe other devs will start making modules into apks or producing the ideas of those modules best they can BC no more xposed :(
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
??? Nowhere does his post mention whether using muniz' method disables subsequent OTA capability, which is what I asked about. If you can show where he addresses that question, kindly quote it directly to me instead of giving vague hints.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Or perhaps you should stop being a jerk to the people here who are trying to help you by giving you answers, and hoping that you are smart enough to add 2+2 and have it = 4.

All that [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] 's flashing does is take you up to Stock 5.0 for the VZW GS5. It does NOT have ANY debloat or removed files or anything like that. He got us up to 5.0 with Root, and that's as far as he wanted to go. So you can modify the heck out of your device on your own choosing by your chosen debloating method. Flashable zip, Titanium Backup, File Explorer with Root Delete function, whatever.

Perhaps next time if you want a specific answer, ask a specific question, instead of asking vague questions around what you want..

It is a 2 way street, Bud.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
I believe what [MENTION=5909804]jdrch[/MENTION] is asking is if upgrading to 5.0 with the ROM in the OP with root will stop the phone from updating to later versions when updates are available, later versions of android I'm guessing. He wants to know if following the method in the OP will stop the ability to update to later versions via OTA. Which I believe it will not allow to upgrade, at least for major updates... Make sense?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
No. It will not.

The update may not complete unless you remove root, but the ota comes from the system download manager (SDM.apk), which is only removed in debloated ROMs.

This ROM is fully stock, so the SDM is still there.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] davidhacks:
you said it would be slim

Can you make a zip with all of the deodexed apks so they can be added back in I was also thinking we could take all of the new apps throw them on a old rom so we could still have

exposed
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
There ya go [MENTION=5909804]jdrch[/MENTION] , that should help. But w/ root, it is never smart to accept the ota anyways as you would lose root or mess up your phone correct?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jdrch:
Thank you. Finally someone who gets it. Yes, that is exactly what I'm asking.

Thank you very much for addressing and answering my question, dude. Really appreciate it.

See above. I did ask a very clear question. Sorry you didn't understand it. Others did and were able to help though.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
His question was answered by me several pages back but he either didn't believe it or didn't understand. In a nutshell the answer is it depends on the ota update. There is no black and white answer.

He was also under the misimpression that the answer would change if root was achieved via a towelroot like method.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
Your are welcome [MENTION=5909804]jdrch[/MENTION] , just trying to help fix issues and misunderstandings because we all have them
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] terrigan:
Freeze SDM.apk with TiBu?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
You can just uninstall it. I froze Knox until I'm sure uninstalling it has no effect on my phone. For now.

I straight up removed the SDM, because it sometimes has a nasty tendency to update without your consent.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] alphahere:
You are 100% correct. Had to reset the phone. I tried twice. Sorry looks like encryption does not work with this configuration (safestrap). Warning anyone that tries to encrypt with safestrap the phone will do a factory reset.

Good luck.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
Thanks for raising this topic as I believe it will come up again.

How do you know it's safestrap that causes the fail vs chainfire's updated root for 5.0? Are other samsung rooted but unlocked bootloader devices running tw 5.0 able to encrypt? I will search for this when I have time but believe you may know the answer.

btw....safestrap can be manually removed by deleting system/etc/safestrap and by deleting system/bin/e2fsck then renaming e2fsck.bin to e2fsck in the same folder.

EDIT: I couldn't find much to help answer my question via a quick search. It seems most people on 5.0 are not too concerned with encryption. But I did come across this poor guy on a rooted international S5 having similar issues: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=58193608&postcount=1
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] splink007:
thank you thank you... been waiting for this for awhile.. cant believe you have root and the upgrade was so easy
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thesoldier:
I just followed your method to update and keep root, and everything went great. The only thing I did different was not format internal storage (since I don't use an SD card).

Having a weird problem though. Seems the downloads folder on my internal storage is gone, and trying to download something gives me an error saying "cannot create download directory on SD card." Amount of free space is the same though, so it has to exist still. Another thing, there seems to be two files that came out of nowhere named "download." I've never seen this before.. Ideas? Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] chadmledford:
I could really use some help. I have tried this twice once from stock rooted NK2 I was running and once from NI2 I had to odin back to. In both cases I'm getting stuck at the Samsung screen and it wont load past that. I followed all the instruction very carefully especially the second time. I let it sit at the Samsung screen for over 10 minutes and it would not go to the verizon screen. Not really sure whats going on or making it hang up

edit: make that three times, I tried a different sd card... i am completely lost
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] PHiiLiZz:
Try pull the battery couple times or Odin the NK2 kernel.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] chadmledford:
Tried both in my previous attempts. I'm not sure why it seems that I'm the only one having this problem.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
i was getting issues as well at first so i just went to full stock unrooted nk2, had to clear cache and factory reset in android recover for it to boot then odin ncg kernel root and safestrap then wipe and install rom to stock slot then straight to odin mode and flash oa8 kernel...

building my rom ive went back easily just flashing nk2 kernel and booting to ss and ive dont this well over 10 times just yesterday to smooth it out
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] alphahere:
You can temporarily disable supersu with the following procedure:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56037508&postcount=21

However supersu maybe doing something else behind the scenes. Really don't need encryption. Anyway I encrypted my device once and it was really slow. If I remove safestrap can you reinstall safestrap on lollipop?

Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
I can corroborate this. When I first installed 5.0 it was laggy at times, and a bit glitchy, but after a few reboots, and a bit of debloating, I have a pretty smooth operating device. Sade would be proud....wait no... since it's rooted and being used for wifi tether on grandfathered unlimited, Alien Ant Farm would be prou.d
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] chadmledford:
So I just flashed yours and had no problem it booted right up so thanks! Will the tether mod from this op work on your ROM? I rely heavily on tethering.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
it should work since the odex version is simply debloated with a few minor things changed like keyboard..

youd hafta odin nk2 kernel and go straight to recovery flash teth zip then straight to odin mode and flash the oa8 kernel and yu should be golden
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] noamparn:
After testing again last night, it looks like problems #1 and #2 are gone. I suspect that App Ops might have been the culprit (since it was trying to run at startup, but hadn't been granted root access yet).

Problem #3 is still there, but as it was pointed out, that might be a "feature," not a "bug."

I have a few complaints about the new notification design, perhaps someone here knows of a setting to fix these:

1. Now notifications pop up and take over the top 10-25% of the screen (depending on the app). This is especially annoying when I'm using Waze while driving.

- 1a. Is there a way to make them behave like the old ones (just show up in the notification bar)?

- 1b. Is there a way to adjust the timeout before they disappear on their own? I don't want to cancel them entirely - I do want them to stay in the Notification Bar until I have a chance to deal with them.

2. Is there a way to get the Notification Bar icons to show up on the Lock Screen? Now I have "Verzion Wireless" up there instead of the icons that used to be there (for my battery monitor app, mail, etc).

Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] johnnytraveler:
All good here. BTW, here is Vietnam at the moment. I'm running Lollipop on my vzw S5 with a Vietnamese sim and everything works. Thanks man.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenjoma:
Whistle notification

Whenever I get an emial, I hear the whistle notification. I have changed that in settings / sounds / notification and also through the gmail / settings / notifcation

Any I can only hear that damn whistle?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Can you please form a complete sentence with your question? I am having a hard time understanding you.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenjoma:
In regards to my gmail, it alerts me with the whistle sounds. I have gone into the main notification settings and changed it there, but it still makes the whistle. I have also changed it in the notification settings from the gmail app itself, and it still makes the whistle sound.

Better?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] hakoreh:
I agree. I installed and for the first couple days it was a bit laggy, not exactly slow but laggy. like switching from apps or keyboard. After debloating and a couple reboots it seems to be great and the battery is back to stellar.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Check the app specific. Main notification may be for that, and "Email" app for corporate email and such... Gmail is specific for me.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenjoma:
I did check that specific app...mine is gmail as well.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
I had a bit of an air-head moment, sorry. Have you rebooted phone since? Or "Stopped" the app manually?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] catfishbillyhere:
Just from reading all over the web takes several hours or up to a day to stop being buggy. It must be changing the ways of backups too. Im sure its setting up some new stuff and resyncing the phone. Did you get the new google ask you what apps you want to recover? Did you get all your apps back installed automatically? Did Wifi stored access points return also too?

Thanks bud. Good luck.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] muniz_ri:
Yes, you can save the files, push them back into system, and rename e2fsck and set permissions. Just reverse the deleting process.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] lickwid:
One question I have is, is there a quick and dirty way to temporary disable root? Since Xposed Framework isn't currently available, certain apps will detect Root and not work. I'd like to be able to disable root while I'm using that app, and re-enable it once I done using it. An example would be SoftCard. Thanks in advance.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] prenedo:
You can try an app called 'hide my root'
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] lickwid:
Thanks. I am trying to get the Tivo App to work. Softcard appears to work if I disable SuperUser in the SuperSU settings. However, Tivo doesn't work. I think I'll have to completely remove SuperSU from my phone. Is there a way to do that? I don't see it listed in TiBu.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
You most likely can't do it from titanium backup, especially if you flashed it I guess.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenjoma:
Anyone else having issues with gps...mine is showing me in another state.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Metroba:
Tried this for Softcard and it's a no-go. Good suggestion though.

Working for me. VPN maybe?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] 0xOdyessey:
Encryption working

Removing Safestrap and then following alphahere's method worked for me.

Specifically, I removed Safestrap. I then opened Terminal Emulator, ran "su" and then "pkill -KILL daemonsu". Afterwards, I went to encrypt my phone and it showed a progress screen. It completed fairly quickly, although I encrypted after a factory reset.

I've attached a screenshot to this post since I cannot get inserting the image within hide tags to work.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] t3t5u0:
Security Notice

I haven't seen this mentioned yet in this thread, so I'm assuming it is specific to the Developer Edition, and not an issue on the retail GS5. I'm getting a 'Security Notice' notification that 'unauthorized changes have been made to the device' and it prompts me to restart to 'undo' supposed unauthorized changes. Upon first installing OA8 I clicked restart to quickly make this go away and it made my phone unbootable (soft-brick). I couldn't flash TWRP in ODIN, and it took a flash of the older NI2 radio to eventually boot to a functional state. Curious if anyone else is seeing anything similar.

Running the OA8 with the newest Ktoonez TW 5.0 kernel.

http://xdaforums.com/picture.php?albumid=11866&pictureid=47988