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[Windows 8 General] °Andrew°:
I found a section for recovery android. It looks like there is an option to install recovery, you just need its file. Has anyone tried creating a recovery for installation?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
BTW another thing I chose the W3 for is the 16:10 screen - great for photography, web browsing & essential for desktop use imo, you need all the space you can get. Plus it allows for a taller keyboard = larger touch pad.

The 1920 res is a double-edged sword - yes 2560 a la Teclast would have been nicer. But if you watch a lot of HD content, you get it pixel-perfect on a 1920 display (it has to be scaled up on a 2560 which slightly blurs the image). Of course that problem goes away on a 4K (3840) screen as it's exactly double (that's next time :).

Plus on 2560 things probably get a bit small - the DPI scaling seems to be fully cranked on the W3 already (where it works well though imo).
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Some interesting BIOS screens:

Note the setting that allows it to run faster on AC/USB power. So there is some untapped battery power that could probably be tweaked (if you can accept the higher battery drain and extra heat).

I also found that my pro audio apps (ASIO driver) don't like the CPU power management, they overload even though CPU usage is < 20%. Guess the CPU doesn't boost quickly enough for their real-time needs. You don't seem to get the any control over CPU power saving in the Power Options, in fact lots of options are missing there compared to my desktop?

BTW, it does go to 2.4GHz . CPU-Z usually reports a 28x multiplier = 2.33 GHz, but it does hit 29x occasionally = ~2.41 GHz. I guess for CPUz to report the highest speed it has to run on it for the entire sampling period, but it tends to bounce around.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
The Power Options -> Processor Power State settings are hidden/disabled by default, but can be selectively enabled via the registry (attached).

I first enabled both Minimum and Maximum Processor State, and set them all to 100%. Result - no boosting, stuck permanently at ~1.5GHz. Not what I wanted!

I then removed the Maximum setting (via the reg file) but left minimum at 100%. Required a reboot - result: permanently at ~2.3Ghz :good:. Much better for my audio apps.

I set this for my Audio power plan, but also for the AC options on the Balanced plan. I did see some occasional minor changes of the clockspeed, that's probably thermal management kicking in (edit: actually Task Manager measuring inaccuracy, CPU-Z is pretty stable at 2.333GHz), but on the whole it works.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
[MENTION=4355669]OMGitsShan[/MENTION], does your screen have bubbles in it? Mine has many. At first I thought this was a 2nd protective film (the guy in the video review thought the same), but I tried removing it and it looks like the touch screen is badly bonded instead!

Yours the same? If so I'll need to raise it with my seller asap.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Nope, it was a plastic screen protector that was very well stuck down. Couldn't lift it for ages, afraid to scratch something. Now, underneath it feels like the screen is plastic. Hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't sound as solid as my iPhone. But the screen got slightly clearer.

Also the touch screen weirdness only seems to happen with AC plugged in, this might be a hardware bug (interference from charging circuit). Can anyone confirm?
[Windows 8 General] ShizukoZ:
Could someone test the internaal disk speed please?

using CrystalDiskMark so we can compare this to other tablets

and please how is the battery life ?
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
This probably isn't very scientific though but I managed to watch three epsiodes of BBC Top Gear in full 1080 HD res on this thing and the battery level still show more than 60% when I finished.

I am quite impressed with battery life.
[Windows 8 General] WM_Rizzo:
Where did you buy it?

Quick Googleing gives this, not sure if it's legit?

http://www.banggood.com/PIPO-W3-Z3775D-Quad-Core-1_5GHz-10_1-Inch-Windows-8_1-Tablet-p-944689.html
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
I bought mine from my last trip in Hong Kong.

Most of these sellers originated from China and that's also where they will mail their item from so expect shipping time going to be a while.

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Has anyone attempt to put Android dual boot on this thing?

I am tempted to try to add android on this thing but worry the process would mess up my current windows8.1 installation and all the settings I have already made.
[Windows 8 General] WM_Rizzo:
I don't mind if it takes a while, my bigger worry is to find a legit seller.

Another question - my other choice would be Asus Transformer, which has a significantly lower resolution. Never got to test it either, but a guy at a store told me that due to the small screen the difference in resolution is not important. Can anyone shed some light on this? Transformer is readily available for purchase, but this feels like a better deal on paper... on the other hand, if something happens, I can easily claim warranty with Transformer. Pipo is avalable as a brand here, but W3 is not and won't be, and I'm pretty sure warranty isn't worldwide.
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
I used both the w3 and the Asus Transformer as I bought the w3 for myself and bought the Transformer for my mom.

Not only that the Transformer screen has lower resolution, the screen is also slight smaller with a thicker frame around it.

I found myself prefer the W3 much more than the Transformer.

And I do watch full HD video on my W3 so the HD resolution is important for me and you can tell the difference between the two.

But it's ture that if you run into any problem, the Asus will be much easier to get support and service as you will get none with the W3.

Also, the Transformer's battery life will beat the W3 hands down although battery life of W3 is by no means poor at all. It's just that the Transformer has such a hi-cap battery.

The keyboard on the Transformer also is slightly better than the W3 as you will get less miss key with the Transformer keyboard.

But overall include size consideration and actual usage, I pick the w3 over the asus.
[Windows 8 General] WM_Rizzo:
Thanx for the info. How do they compare as tablets? I will mostly use it for reading magazines, the keyboard is just a bonus.
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
As tablets I still like the W3 better over the Asus with the thinner frame.

However honestly (and off topic here) though, as far as tablet user experience though, none of these 2 would compare to any major brand Android tablets with 1 or 2 gb of rams.

Win8 user interface is just so not well polished enough to be used for touch only.

I bought one only because there are some stubborn companies out there with websites and streaming formats that will only works on Windows OS.

But just compare between Asus and the W3, I like the W3 better. Actually I would throw in the Acer Aspire Switch series to the mix here. I would say I even like the Acer Asprire Switch 10 and Switch 11 over the Asus Transformer as the Transformer hardware really had aged and they have been using the same hardware and configuration for a few of their products already.
[Windows 8 General] WM_Rizzo:
Heh. I already have a bunch of Android devices and I am kinda looking for something new. Even considering the iPad. But with Windows 8 tablets like these I really like the 2 in 1 mode. Though I am primarily looking for a tablet to read magazines on, I will probably use it as a PC here and there. Love the idea of being able to play King's Bounty anywhere (or at least try to play it). I am literally lost now, so much factors to consider, and so many options to choose from - while that might seem to be ideal, it's not. There's so much debate about Transformer's storage speed (Link, Link), and with Pipo there's the warranty issue.... I have no idea what to choose :confused:

(Sorry for taking the thread in a different direction)
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
In your case I would really recommend you maybe go to Best Buy and get your hands on the Acer Aspire Switch series to see if you like them. I would rank the Aspire Switch in between the W3 and the Transformer. With Acer you don't have the warranty issue as with the W3.
[Windows 8 General] WM_Rizzo:
Thank you for the recommendation, I'll check it out :good:
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Is anybody else seeing these fake touchscreen events on the W3? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKGOsEXP81g

I figured out it only happens on AC power (as shown in the video), and it's worse if the keyboard is also connected. Windows touch calibration can briefly help, but the problem always comes back. Zero problems on battery.
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Hm... never saw this on mine so far.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
I can feel a slight charge on my fingers on the metal back panel on AC, so it's probably shorting out AC ground to the panel, confusing the capacitive touch screen. They probably need to add some insulation tape to a charger-related solder point. Quite a few other people have had similar touch problems on Pipo tablets, some fixing it with diodes.
[Windows 8 General] plato79:
It does happen when connected to the AC, but not always. Sometimes I see it, sometimes I don't.. Weird issue..

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The boot logo changer doesn't work for the BIOS logo of PIPO.. But there is a tool for my ASUS board, that could change the BIOS screen by intergrating the image to the BIOS image then flashing it..

It should be something like that for Pipo W3. The best way to do this is first dump the BIOS to a file, integrate image to BIOS and re-flash it.. But it's not worth the risk. There is no way to rescue if things go wrong I think.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Yep, it seems to be related to how much power is going through the charging circuit. It's much reduced if I plug in a USB hard disk (most of the power going to the HD). And if I ground the back plate by touching it, it goes away completely. Got a refund from my seller so will open up soon, probably just needs some tape over a solder point.

Yes I found that too. The reason (as you guessed) is that the Pipo logo is actually built into the BIOS. Windows 8.1 does not try to overdraw it and just shows the busy animation underneath. You can disable the BIOS logo though by disabling Fast Boot (or whichever boot option shows the BIOS text). But then it still doesn't work on mine as I've enabled Secure Boot to get Device Encryption to work, and that will not allow you to mess with the Windows boot files under any circumstances (you would need to sign the modified file with MS' own private key). It might work without Secure Boot though.

Right I have used that tool a few years ago, and it never worked right. Asus' software is often flakey. I did some minor BIOS hacking in the past trying to get it to work, it can be done with the right tools but as you say, risky until we find a reliable way to flash from USB.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Attached. This is on battery (should be slightly faster on AC, especially with my 100% min processor speed tweak).
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Have anyone attempted to install android to make this thing capable of dual boot with android and windows8.1?
[Windows 8 General] ShizukoZ:
Thanks a lot it's usefull ^^

I made a command of this in Pipomall but they are taking a long time to answer each time, and my tablet didn't get shipped for more than 2 weeks now...
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Just saw this W3 clone from newegg.com

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...015-Index-_-AllTablets-_-9SIA60E1ZS0801-S5A1C
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Must be W3F as it has the slower CPU (Z3735F vs Z3775D)
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Need some help - I managed to (sort of) brick it. I was trouble-shooting why a USB pen drive with diagnostic programs wouldn't boot, and in the process disabled something USB related in the BIOS (probably xCHI) AND changed the boot options to start in the UEFI shell. Now it only boots in the shell and does not respond to the keyboard (so that must be a USB connection) so I can't get out of it!

Have not managed to find any special button combination to trigger eg. a BIOS reset, or even just a hard reset. Holding Vol Down/Up/both etc. during boot just does nothing at all!

Anyone know a working special button combo? Or some trick to reset the BIOS settings and/or enable USB?
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Have you tried to connect it with a standard usb keyboard? Maybe that would work.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Yes, on both the USB3 and OTG ports. USB is completely dead.

Worst-case I have to find & reprogram the BIOS chip manually. I really want to avoid that. I spent a lot of time setting it up, but at this point I'd be happy to hard-reset if it fixes the problem.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
There's no BIOS to download for the W3 right? If so could someone make a backup of theirs and PM it to me?

I've attached the AMI Windows utility that should work - just run AFUWINGUI.EXE & click 'Save'.
[Windows 8 General] bendonahue:
Hi,

I'm new to windows tablets so please excuse me if this a silly/obvious question. Is it possible to install a custom version of windows on this tablet?

I currently run a version on my PC with a various parts which I never use removed. Not only does this bring the install size down, it does run slightly quicker also.

Thanks in advance
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
A question, how do you enter the Bios?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
When it's booting, keep hitting Delete. Or from Windows, (from memory) Start -> search for 'Recovery' -> Advanced -> Boot into UEFI Bios -> Restart.

But be super-careful (see my last post).
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Thanks,

I am trying to see if I can get this thing to dual boot with Android 4.4 and Windows8.1
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
I think I ran into the same problem as yours but fortunately not the bios locked up part but the unable to boot from USB part.

I created this Android installation USB drive following a few instructions from google.

I disabled Secure Boot in Bios and even change boot sequence to boot from the USB drive first but it just won't boot from the USB drive and go straight to Windows 8.1.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Right I haven't had a chance to try yet, but give Rufus a shot, it can format in a UEFI-compatible way. I've never needed it before as my desktop's BIOS has UEFI but also a Legacy mode, and it boots USB pens fine with that. I always wondered why it didn't work in UEFI mode.

EDIT: BTW, F7 at boot brings up the boot selection menu (safer than changing the BIOS priorities permanently).
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
In Rufus, it require you to pick a "rom" to make it bootable, do I just pick the android rom I downloaded?

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I've just used Rufus to format the USB drive with an android img file but no luck.

It still won't boot from the usb drive.

I am not sure if the android img file I have downloaded is simply not bootable or the W3 just won't boot from it.

I keep just booting into Windows8.
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
I am finally able to boot into the usb drive by formatting the usb drive with GPT partition setting.

However I still cannot install Android as there is no such option shown as "Do you want to preserve Windows and dual boot? " as in this instruction: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-android-windows-8-tablet/

All I see was it asking me to choose partition or create partition. I tried to connect a 2nd USB drive and try to install the android on the 2nd usb drive but it keeps telling me partition error.

I guess I will just give up for now. Maybe I should just get another android tablet for my wife as she is the one who want to use android tablet cause she hated the Windows8.1 interface and user experience.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Can't help sorry, have never done this type of stuff on tablets before. I do remember seeing an Anrdoid option in the BIOS somewhere, but maybe Pipo haven't enabled everything that's needed?

I have a USB stick full of diagnostic ISOs (Memtest, HD checkers etc) using Grub4DOS (via XBoot) that I've been trying to get to work boot on the tablet, no luck so far. Apparently Grub4DOS requires the old BIOS, but this bootloader tool is supposed to give similar options and/or make Grub work (not exactly clear), but either way it won't boot. I did manage to get the current Memtest image to boot though, it seems that images have to be UEFI aware to work?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
One thought, do you have Device Encryption enabled? If so I guess the Windows partition would be encrypted, so your Android installer may not recognize it. You can disable encryption from the PC Info screen (Metro version).
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Let me try that.

Thanks.
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Somehow I cannot find the option to turn off the encryption.

Do you know where I can turn it off?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
If it's not shown there it's not enabled. You know how everything is dumbed down in Metro, they never tell you anything you're not supposed to worry your pretty little head about :).

My W3 shipped without encryption enabled, but I enabled it by messing with security/key settings in the BIOS (see my earlier post in this thread).
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
It's been spotted at Cebit 2015, designated W8, ETA summer-ish according to the video.

I still love using mine despite one edge of the touchscreen not working now (I can still flip the tablet over to get at it when I need to), but the W8 could be my next. Core M 5Y10 is used in the cheaper M tablets, and looks to be over twice as fast as the W3 CPU. I'm running out of juice for some of my pro audio stuff, so that would be handy.

EDIT: ... shame the W8 doesn't have a full-size USB port, that's annoying.

Another thing I didn't really consider is that the W3 is 32bit. It doesn't matter for most things, but I can't run some 64bit-only Adobe software. And I always spend quite a bit of time setting gadgets up with all the right software, utilities & tweaks, and then image them for quick recovery. Except my next tab will be x64, so I have to set it all up again from scratch next time : /.
[Windows 8 General] devinger:
Today I received my pipo W3. I tried two different external usb 3.0 drives but both of them won't work on the usb 3.0 port.

I read on the Microsoft support site it has something to do with the bios. Has anybody been able to fix this problem? Would a non powered usb 3.0 hub help?

Also, I saw some people interested in dualbooting to android. Apparently pipo has a special bios for the W3F. Techtablets has made a guide about it for the W3F that includes all the files. I can't link it because of my post count.
[Windows 8 General] jaycrewz:
OP

Its been almost 2 months. Hows the tablet holding up? Any problems?
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Thanks, I googled it and found the page.
[Windows 8 General] devinger:
[MENTION=3934457]misbehave[/MENTION] I would love to hear if it was helpful/you could make it work

Does anyone know if it is possible to use a 128gb micro SDXC card with the W3. Would be really nice to add a lot more memory to the device.
[Windows 8 General] Hendrickson:
I managed to flash my W3F to dual boot. The link is here: http://techtablets.com/2015/03/pipo...s-and-how-to-flash-the-pipo-w3f-to-dual-boot/

So far I can't see any files to do this to the W3, but I read in the Pipo cn forums its coming? I'm impressed with my W3F, so much so I've ordered the W3 via slow boat to have a look and test it to see just how much faster it really is over the W3F.

What surprised me is the quality keyboard, once I got use to the slightly smaller keyboard and not hitting the caps lock button it's actually very usable. Lucky they put the button to turn off and on the trackpad, palm rejection bad.
[Windows 8 General] alislow:
about Keyboard, is it bluetooth? or it is connected via tablet dock? can i use dock connector as a usb connector by means of a dock connector to usb cable?
[Windows 8 General] devinger:
My keyboard was dead in a few days. I probably received a faulty one because it was very unreliable. It would sometimes hang on a key or would not take the input of a key. now it doesn't work at all. I will get a new keyboard tomorrow so I will be able to tell if it was the keyboard or tablets fault.

the keyboard is connected via a dock connector (five golden pins). I don't know if a converter cable exists.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
re. the USB 3.0 HDs not working, I never got my external Seagate Expansion (USB 3) to work. However if you stop about 1mm short of plugging it all the way in, you get a 2.0 connection and it works fine. Slow, but a decent workaround. It also works at full speed with my powered USB 3 hub, so unpowered should work too. Does seem like a BIOS bug.

That will be interesting.

Yeah I'm used to UK layouts so it's a bit annoying, and I also tend to hit the caps lock accidentally. But on the whole it's pretty good. I never noticed the button to turn off the trackpad though (FN + F12) - cool! :). In fact I never looked properly at the FN functions of the F-row for some reason. I also palm trigger the trackpad sometimes, handy.

Another annoying thing is that the trackpad supports tap-to-click, even though it has seperate buttons - I often click when I don't mean to. Any way to turn that off? No Windows/driver options that I can see.
[Windows 8 General] plato79:
It is connected via a proprietary connector.

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Actually W3 is not 32 bit.. It is 64 bit. But the OS installed on it is 32 bit..

There is a way to install a 64 bit OS. You need to create a 32 bit EFI partition for the boot media though. I read somewhere how to do it but I cannot remember the link.

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I found the link: http://techtablets.com/2015/03/pipo...s-and-how-to-flash-the-pipo-w3f-to-dual-boot/

But it's no use on W3.. Maybe android image portion could be used on W3.. I'll try to boot it via USB and see if Wi-Fi and touch works.. I tried android-x86 project's live image and while it booted on W3 there was no touch or Wi-Fi.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
The tablet has 5 concave gold receptacles, and the keyboard 5 matching sprung pins, and they're held in contact by the strong tablet magnets that lock it into the keyboard. It seems to be USB, like a USB header on a motherboard. But no easy way to connect anything to it.

Yep, but you'd also have to source all the 64bit drivers (if you can find them). Not worth it for me, I will upgrade soon-ish. Either a cheap Chinese Core M like the W8, or a Surface Pro (pen would be handy, as would 12" screen and more performance).
[Windows 8 General] alislow:
which online store have the original keyboard, not Bluetooth keyboard without magnet feature?
[Windows 8 General] plato79:
Well, banggood.com will add original cover to their stock I hope. My friend and I bought it from there. But his device came with a broken key on keyboard. So they'll put it on site and send it to him. SKU will be 218490.. But it's still not online at the site.

--

update: It is now online. You can buy it.
[Windows 8 General] alislow:
can tablet with keyboard used comfortably when you are in bed? I mean is this keyboard holding tablet firm so you can put it on your chest or leg and use, like laptop?