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[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Nope, not this one. The keyboard case hinge is doesn't hold the 2 parts in an stable angle. It relies on the stand formed by the back of the monitor cover to stand up the tablet. You can put it on your chest or lap if you are laying or sitting in bed but it is not that stable. In those case I usually use the on screen keyboard. The keyboard on this tablet performs the best when it is on a flat stable surface.

If you want one that comes with a keyboard that can hold the tablet in an angle stably, try take a look at the Acer Aspire Switch series 10" or 11" tablets or the Asus Transformer Book series.

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Mine has a new problem.

After the latest Windows Update from MS, when I boot into the tablet from shutdown or hibernate mode, after I enter the password, Windows will stuck at the welcome screen for like 5 to 7 mins before it will boot inside desktop or the metro screen.

Anyone has the same problem and know how to solve this?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
If you're having the same erratic touch screen behaviour when the W3 is on its charger, guess what - it's the charger!

Mine completely freaks out the touchscreen most of the time (lots of random touch events vertically where I touch), and you can feel electricity on the metal back panel. The workaround is touching the back panel to earth it, but that's not super healthy (or convenient).

I originally suspected something was shorting internally to the back panel, but that's not it. Tried a new universal 9V charger (center-positive), problem has gone away.
[Windows 8 General] devinger:
[MENTION=3934457]misbehave[/MENTION]

I also had the problem. I did a few reboots and now it's working fine. I don't know why but it worked for me.

[MENTION=6314138]_gl[/MENTION]

Thanks, will any fitting 9v charger do?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
The original is 9V, 2.5A, center-positive, 0.7mm plug (I think). Universal supplies may come with different plugs, or you can find adapters for the more common 2.1mm / 2.5mm plugs on Ebay.

You need the same voltage, but you can safely use a higher amps rating. A little lower will probably work too, but will probably take longer to charge, especially if you're using the device (worse if you also have power-hungry USB devices attached).

My universal is a 9V 2A IIRC and it works, though I haven't tried any USB gadgets yet (I expect it just slows down charging).

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BTW double-check you get the correct polarity (center-positive) - many gadgets fry if you get it wrong (though not all, some just don't work).
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
Well it wasn't that.

Turn out it was my Norton that is causing the problem.

Some problem with Norton program updates.
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
default BIOS

Hi, is there somewhere default BIOS to download for W3 3G ? I can not find it.

It was requested here on page 5 already.

I disabled USB legacy support and now my keyboard doesnt work in BIOS :( So I can not change it back. I would like flash BIOS to default setting from windows. Please HELP. BIOS backup you can create with utility from page 5 (this thread).

I.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Try going into the BIOS from Windows. Start -> Search "Recovery Options" -> Advanced Recovery ... Boot into UEFI BIOS (or something like it). Maybe the keyboard will work and you can make changes.
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
I tried it and many other things like De-CMOS3 or cmospwd-5.0. Nothing works.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
I wasn't aware of these, but they probably didn't work as there is no CMOS on the tablets, the settings are saved directly in the flash chip.

The catch might be that the BIOS contains the Windows product key on tablets, so people don't want to risk giving theirs out by backing it up. I don't know if the OEMs use a unique key per tablet, but they probably need to to please MS.

You can save your BIOS with the utility, you just need to find a settings editor, make changes, and reflash. I haven't done this (I did some research when I messed up my own BIOS), but you want the AMI (American Megatrends) 'APTIO' BIOS utilities. eg. 'SCE' which can apparently dump & reimport the settings out of a BIOS file.
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
Hmm I tried AMIBCP 4.53 and there are visible only two tabs (DMI Tables and BIOS Features), no configuration. Maybe v5.0 ? But I didnt find it to download... I will try look around tomorrow. Some links would be helpful.
[Windows 8 General] devinger:
I am not sure if it is helpful but I thought I saw a bios file in the firmware pack you can download from the pipo site. Maybe worth checking it out:

http://www.pipo.cn/En/index.php?m=About&a=gujian
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
There is no suitable bios for my W3 PiPo.
[Windows 8 General] karkoma:
I think that there a bios suitable for the w1 and w3 Pipo tablets. I cant put a link but there is on the "W3_Driver" package.

Hope it helps
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
I tried it before, there is a 8MB bin file and flashWin32.bat file. But it shows an error someID mismatch. There is same error when I open that bin file in afuwin and try to flash.

My backuped rom file has 3MB. Whats the different between my 3MB rom file and 8MB bin file ?
[Windows 8 General] karkoma:
Sorry, but I cannot help you. My tablet have not arrived yet (It is somewhere between china and spain). Have you tried to contact to pipo.cn in its support page?
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
I sent request on pipo support email two days ago, on skype one day ago. No response. This is really shame. I dont get how they can do product like this.

I tried one more thing: My firmwareID is 3BAGR003. On the pipo's web site is fimware for W3F which has firmwareID 3BAIR008. I tried flash only NVRAM from this different firmware. Little risky but still, no change....

So my question is: Where is saved custom BIOS setting ? I tought that it is in NVRAM :(
[Windows 8 General] suicidal.banana:
Thanks for the info/experiences all!

Heya, just wanted to say thanks for the review and sharing of experiences, been looking at this tablet for a few days now (watching videos and reading reviews all over the webs, aswell as comparing it to a teclast x16hd) and after reading this thread ive just ordered one of these from a chinese site for 280 euros, wich i think is a very fair price for the hardware, will let you guys know if i run into any issues, and will make sure not to touch the usb settings in the bios ;) :highfive:
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
Finally,

after several emails to PiPo support I received PiPo BIOS bin file. After firmware flashing everything works again. I made a copy to download here.

Uf, this table should be selling with big red warning label.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Well done on the BIOS. Like I said before, Pipo not having a BIOS defaults recovery option (eg. holding a special button combination at boot) is criminal. And it's not just on this tablet, it's the same on their X7 mini PC (basically a tablet without a screen):

"The BIOS on the PiPO X7 gives a user so much freedom that it hovers on being borderline destructive. The user is able to change everything, and by everything I mean everything. The OEM hasn't restricted a single thing, giving the user the ability to destroy their mini PC without even realizing it (such as by accidently disabling the USB ports and thereby permanently disabling the mouse/keyboard)"

The W3 is otherwise a great tablet, but they really need to sort this.
[Windows 8 General] Ivosch01:
Hi,

Did you resolved this issue ? I have same troubles :/. What about new charger ? Did you try something ?
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Yep see my post #80 onwards (page 8).
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
The W8 seems to be available in a couple of stores, including Pipo's own:

http://www.pipo-store.com/pipo-w8-core-m-tablet-pc.html

http://www.ainol-novo.com/pipo-w8-core-m-4gb-64gb.html

Price ~$460 USD isn't terrible for supposed 2x performance over the W3, 2560x1600 resolution, 4GB RAM & 10,000mah battery. Is the keyboard included though? And concern is that a) it will be cheaper from other sellers soon (nothing on Ali yet), and b) there are early technical bugs - might be smart to let it stew for a month. Tempted though at that price, a Surface Pro 3 (or 4 when it comes) would be cool, but it will cost way more and the W3 is already quite good.

Second issue though is that Core-M performance massively depends on cooling - in-depth reviews have shown that higher-specc'ed Core-M can be beaten by the basic one, just because the cooling on the higher chip sucked and it throttled down far too quickly. The W8 prototype shown at that trade fair said they only used a plastic backing this time, if that's true of the final unit that would hinder the heat transfer significantly and could waste performance.

Although this pic seems to show a metal back?

[IMG="W8 back (if accurate)"]http://www.ainol-novo.com/media/wysiwyg/PiPO_W8_6_.jpg[/IMG]

Anybody else interested?

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... Pompmall have it too and are showing it with a keyboard + 128GB option, and it comes in gold or gray backs. Also the price may be the limited 2 week pre-order price, I read Pipo are doing that and then it will go up.

http://www.pompmall.com/pipo-w8.html

Geekbuying (more expensive): http://www.geekbuying.com/item/PIPO...ooth-Wifi-OTG-HDMI---Black---Gray-345072.html

[IMG="gray back"]http://image1.geekbuying.com/content_pic/201504/geekbuying-925eaa93-acb1-425d-b06a-eaf2c6c2093a.jpg[/IMG]

And a French store (more expensive):

https://www.dealabs.com/bons-plans/pipo-w8-intel-core-m-5y10-20ghz-128go/119477?page=2

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... also seems to have no 3G/4G yet. So price isn't looking as good (though I don't really need 3G).

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Bangood (thanks NeoMatrixJR)

64GB: http://www.banggood.com/PIPO-W8-Intel-Core-M-5Y10-2_0GHz-10_1-Inch-Windows-8_1-Tablet-p-975640.html

128GB: http://www.banggood.com/PIPO-W8-Int...1-Inch-128GB-Windows-8_1-Tablet-p-975679.html
[Windows 8 General] NeoMatrixJR:
Thanks for adding this_gl, good to see it showing up elsewhere. I don't think pompmall or anyone else is including the keyboard. It's just in some of the promotional images. Also, if anyone hasn't seen it, I'm looking at the upcoming Livefan S10. Also, there's the Teclast x1 Pro. Trying to decide which one would be the best value for the $, and the best build quality. Also, you gotta take shipping cost and times into account and available coupons. From a quick look at the listed sites it seems the end prices are quite different from the list price on the site. I'm open to any insight on these brands and Chinese tablets in general. I'm coming from an ASUS TF300t android tablet that recently died from a broken LCD and I'm new to the Chinese tablet market.

Thanks!
[Windows 8 General] misbehave:
I am quite interested in the new Teclast X10HD myself.

2K hd screen, dual boot with android 4.4 and windows 8.1.

I have been trying to get my w3 to dual boot but still cannot get it done.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
I didn't know about the Livefan S10. It looks very similar to the W3, including the keyboard design, I suspect it's made by PiPo, or whichever factory makes theirs for them. So it's probably the same build quality. I'm very happy with my W3 (except for the BIOS fiasco), everything (EDIT: except my external USB3.0 HD, though it works via a hub or on USB2) works, build quality is decent (if you don't try to take it apart), I like the case design (squarish edges, I don't like more rounded ones) and 16:10 aspect is essential for desktop use imo. It already has high-end Baytrail performance, but I need more hence wanting CoreM. So the W8 makes sense to me.

However like many new Core Ms it only has a micro USB 3 port, so you need dongles again (the W3 has a fullsize port). The S10 also has fullsize which is nice. I could live with a dongle but they're a pain.

Teclast x1 Pro has a larger screen and is expensive right? It gets risky buying Chinese in the West at that point, as you have zero support options except a very expensive return shipping, and praying that the problem is resolved fairly or quickly (can take months to resolve). At some point you're better off buying a used Surface Pro 3 imo.

Also strange how people are calling 2560 res '2K'. Usually 2K is near 2000 (especially in the video world), so the Surface Pro with it's 21xx screen is 2K. Let's call 2560 2.5k.

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Yep the S10 is almost identical, unboxing video: http://hmongzone.com/video/cU90azZVdkM0YmVV

And my memory is short, my W3 power supply was bad and caused touchscreen issues. I got a partial refund though and a universal 9V supply works great. But with Chinese tabs you have to be prepared for glitches like that.

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One problem, the S10 battery is only 28.12Kw/h, that's ~3800mah @ 7.4V. The W8 battery is double at 7900-8000mAh according to Pipo-store. If you can trust the specs.

EDIT: correction, these are the proper battery specs::

S10: 28.12 Wh

W8: "10000mAh * 3.8V=38Wh" (from Pipo-store).

So Pipo use 3.8V in their calculation. Assuming S10 uses the same, it's still a bit smaller.
[Windows 8 General] NeoMatrixJR:
So, after digging around anywhere I could find the W8 I found that BangGood (especially with a 5% sitewide coupon they have right now assuming it works for this - b185f7) has the best price at $465.86@64GB & $492.46@128GB with expedited DHL shipping, and they re-pack the tablet for better protection. Only one seller I could find on AliExpress offered it with a keyboard, and I can't verify right now it's the one it's supposed to bundle with. Very few sellers have a 128GB option. Heck, even PIPO doesn't have the 128GB version listed and only PompMall had a Gold/Grey option. PM me if anyone wants my price research.

It was mentioned before that there may be overheat issues if this tablet is plastic backed...is it possible to take these things apart should you want to add something to help with heat dissipation?

Dongles bad...hate dongles. Though I would love to get my hands on a tablet that, either onboard or through a dock had a mPCIe or expresscard slot. Can you imagine having a dock with one of these: External GPU Adapter?

Technically, I found that the proper term for this resolution is WQXGA (16:10, 2560x1600). Typical incorrect advertising is either QHD (16:9, 2560x1440) or 2k (17:9, 2048x1080 "ultrawide"). QHD is the closest in pixels as it's the 16:9 instead of 16:10. Just be aware when searching these tablets that they're probably listed as QHD or 2k, or even more ambiguously as "retina" (which they seem to use on all sorts of resolutions :( )

Thanks, Good to know!!
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Excellent, thanks. But, I recommend getting the keyboard, I'd definitely want it (I've asked Pompmall about it but no reply yet). Although it's not perfect on the W3 it works really well, and is super useful as basic wrap-around protection and when you need to do trouble-shooting. You can probably find similar generic Bluetooth or USB keys, but having something that fits perfectly and snaps into place (assuming it's the same as the W3) is really nice (I'm impressed by the magnet solution, it works great). Downsides are that on the W3 you only really get one viewing position, fine sitting on a desk, not good if you're higher up. And that it will not sit straight on a soft surface like a duvet, as it's tablet-heavy.

Please post here if nobody else minds - or we can start a new thread?

I took mine apart and recommend against it. I managed to crack the digitizer despite being careful. The W3 (and S10 looking at that video) have a slot under a panel for the 3G Ultrastick. As a result that part of the case is a bit weaker. The case isn't screwed together (well there are 4 screws) but just clipped together, and the clips on mine were really tough to shift. In the process I put some stress on the case, and on the weaker section it cracked the digitzer. It's possible it was already weaked by shipping (so the foam reboxing by Banggood is actractive) - that's the weak point of tablets right, the damn fragile screens.

Wouldn't that work better with a laptop though? External GPU (and external monitor) aren't exactly portable :).

Good research, all these acronyms are confusing, especially the 2.5k one as it's not a common resolution, except on a few Chinese tabs.

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re. opening it, see my post (has internal pics to download).
[Windows 8 General] NeoMatrixJR:
attached excel

Laptops are portable and dockable. Tablets are more portable, but still dockable :) I like maximum flexibility.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Thanks, will peruse later.

Fair play :). Of course for heavy gaming work you'd need to pair a higher-end GPU with a better CPU. Would be interesting to see how Core M fares though.
[Windows 8 General] NeoMatrixJR:
It looks like a lot of these use the same magnetic, pogo-pin dock keyboard with the origami style stand. I wonder if they're all the same and if that's a basic USB pinout of some sort.

I'm not planning on running Crysis or Skyrim *(don't even own 'em), but offloading some of the heavy lifting to a GPU to prevent overheats would be good if I wanted to say dock to my TV and play CS:GO or something with a wireless controller.

Side-note:

I wonder if a core m can handle Kerbal Space Program? :)
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Yep I'm sure it's USB, 5pins like motherboard headers. I accidentally disabled something USB related in the BIOS, and the keyboard (or any USB device) no longer worked, effectively bricking the tablet. That's why I had to open it up.

The W3 doesn't really get hot, the thermal management is really good and/or the metal back helps. The W8 backs look similar to the W3 metal, but it could also just be metallic paint on plastic. Core M seems to get a lot hotter so may be different.

I'm not really in the game loop anymore, but I did see it on Steam (I'm playing Pinball Arcade at the moment). And I loved Far Cry 3 & 4. Pinball Arcade runs very well, except it doesn't have proper touchscreen controls on the Steam version, though you can use a mouse or some software that can assign touchscreen icons to keyboard etc. inputs. They just released a DX11 beta version with much better lighting, and that is unplayable even on the lowest resolution. Kerbal looks like it might run fine from the demo video, the graphics didn't look that complex.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
I just tested your Banggood coupon on a W3 - works, so hopefully will on W8 when it comes in. Excellent spreadsheet!

I've learned the hard way to go with seller China/HK seller first impressions. Banggood repackaging means they actually care about it arriving intact, many China sellers really couldn't care less if there are problems, and some will not do the right thing unless you force them via eg. Ali Express dispute.. And offering cheaper shipping is good. I hope they can get the keyboard and grey version, though I could also re-use the W3 keyboard, I suspect it's identical (the tablet case & pins seem identical). Same with the 3G Ultrastick which it probably also takes.

If so you can just upgrade from the W3 and resell it tablet-only.
[Windows 8 General] _gl:
Pompmall and an Ali Express seller have confirmed that the back is metal.

Pompall say: no 3G, but keyboard is included (that makes them interesting again). And their price is the pre-sale price that will rise.
[Windows 8 General] suicidal.banana:
Received my Pipo W3 from BangGood in perfect working order (but in a different, sturdier packaging then that cardboard box from OP) The keyboard cover appears to be a knockoff, there's no Pipo logo but some metal "For Windows 8" logo on it, it does function well though, as does the magnetic connection with the tablet. On the downside, the keyboard comes with two number 6 keys... so it goes: 4 5 6 6 8 9 :confused: but luckily only a visual error, that said i will be contacting the seller about that silliness.

The tablet itself came covered in plastics and a screen protector, the screen protector isn't applied perfectly so there's some tiny bubbles visible, not sure yet if i will try get those bubbles out or just pull off the screen protector.

The tablet came with windows 8.1 with bing, already configured to be English.

Having read some reviews and seen some videos of the gaming performance, i had planned ahead a bit, so i dove into the BIOS (and didnt touch usb!) to try find a graphics memory setting, which i did, changed the 96mb video memory too 512mb :D (you can find it in chipset settings)

Currently still playing around trying to optimize win8.1 (disabling services i dont need etc) but all in all really happy with the tablet, will let you people know how i get on resolving this hehe

Edit: oh and yea, i can also confirm that the back is metal and mine came with the 3g module, the whole thing feels sturdy too.

Finally, please make a new thread bout the W8 since im actually unsure the question above me was about the w3 or w8, sorry if it wasnt bout w3 :silly:
[Windows 8 General] Linkito93:
Hey! Finally, I was reading this topic during long time. I got my PiPo last week and was optimizing too, installed TuneUp and finished unnecessary services, in iddle my RAM consumption is 0.7 of 2GB (I think is not bad).

So is safe swap that graphic memory assigned to 512? Now I just have installed Hotline Miami wich works fine and Project64 (N64 Emulator), but I want install Photoshop and for work use Matlab. It is worth go to Bios and change values? Thank you! ^^

EDIT: Mine has 3G module too and the keyboard is not the original, but is similar.