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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] silverfox0214:
What Radio Rom?

Have you flashed a new radio lately? If not, what radio ROM version do you have? I had an issue with my TyTN that was definitely a radio issue. Flashed to 1.38.0.11 and haven't had a single issue with freezing since.

Just an idea, of course.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
yes sir...i tried many hard resets. A radio upgrade is one of the things i tried...i saw a few people trying it. i went to 1.34 though. im going to flash to 1.38 riiight now! im desperate right now. i'll let you know how it goes.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] jeeb75:
I had the same problem until I upgraded to black 2.0. I had the radio 1.38.0.11 from the time I upgraded to wm6 and my 8525 was freezing until upgrading to black 2.0 solved my problem.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
well i have good news. i upgraded to LVSW(2007/04/08) last night...and so far so good. didnt freeze once today. hope the issue is gone for good. thanks all for the help.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] jamiefiedler:
same exact issue here running LVSW 03-26 (goes unresponsive while in standby, green blinking LED, soft reset to recover). 2gb card installed...i'll try removing it to see if freezes go away.

rzanology: if LVSW 04/08 fixes the issue, please post back and let us know!

installed (all to device, not card)

salling clicker

resco explorer/registry/ftp/today

kyphur hold comm button toggle

wmxl apps 8525 keyboard fix

shogun cing
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
will do...one more note...i updated to 1.38.11 i think it was. what funny is right after i updated the radio the phone froze on the first standby. while i was coming back to post i saw the new rom update for lvsw.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] wpbear:
This has a been a long reported problem on WM6 ROMs. 'wont wake from sleep' is the common phrase. Radio and bacground app using net I think was the problem, but no real solution if I remember correctly. On LVSW 3 26 I have gone weeks without this though. In the beginning LVSW 3 26 still did the freeze but after a week it stopped and works pretty good now. Sounds like MS is behind it since it makes no sense at all. LOL.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ackerchez:
Wow, I thought I was crazy becasue nobody mentioned this issue before. I had this problem from day 1.

However, i recently noticed that the 1.38 Radio was eating up my battery life and downgraded to 1.34. This combined with installing Black2.0 seems to have taken care of this problem. I just came back from a weekend away from my phone (which i know is a crime since it is so much fun to use) and it woke up right away.

What Radio do you have?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] moneymakinjoe:
How long are your phones in standby when it happens?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
well....bad news again. even after the new rom update it is still freezing. do you guys think this is hardware? I never froze on wm5...i can't see it being a hardware issue. im almost tempted to call cingular and have them send another one, but i dont know how to go back to wm5. for me, the phone will be in standby for 30 minutes or so....then wont turn back on. any more suggestions?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] simon_darley:
try disabling everything completely.

1 events and notifications

2 beam auto receive

3 bluetooth

4 wifi

5 put device into flight mode

6 all startup items (including those in rom) move to a temp for now

7 disable activesync

8 disable push email

9 disable all today items

1. disable error reporting customer experience

11 remove anything that reads the sd card

12 remove sd card entirely

13 remove sim card

literally disable everything that runs automatically or otherwise.

power down ur phone by pressing power button for 3 secs. shutdown. leave it for 20secs.

power it back up. then test it now.

if u have a problem now then it could be scary bear notifications fix only. u could have a notification queu problem that is causing ur device to contradicory items simultaneously.

this could be caused activesync so no matter which rom u use it comes back via activesync of calendar or tasks.

if at this stage its fixed then bring things back systematically with the most important first like the sim card. turn off flight mode

c how u go. sometimes pda just gets confused and doesnt wake up from a sleep to well (bit like me in the morning... sometimes bed and sleep is just way to good compared to work/life)... :)

good luck.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] gregouille:
Hi I've been runnin LVSW26/03 without any problems...

Yesterday, I installed Zombienexus Dialpad Skin, and it started freezing while in standby.

I restored bu backup (SBP/ System data only) : no more freezing...

'Hope this helps

Greg
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
well i just did a hard reset. im not going to install any apps at all. im just going to sync with the pc to get my contacts. im not even going to set up my mail2web. it usually hangs when i wake up in the monring. so we'll see what happens a few hours from now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaarAvigour:
I stick to my findings, and there's a cure

I found it elswhere on XDA-Dev, so credit goes first to the publisher. There seems to be a cure that works for me for a few days by now, with no more freezing.

After conducting too many tests to find the origins of freezing after standby, trying various versions of Hermes with various ROMs (from here and from the origins..), I am pretty confident that this issue associates with the way Memory Mgr. deals with the MicroSD card.

I tested various cards and most of the good advice collected here, plus some of our own, to reach same results. Card out = WM6 behaves well. Card in = Phone freezes after SB. Sometimes sooner, sometimes latter but always.

Then I tried this registry hack as bellow. So far works (for me), with 1Gig. Tosh card inside, formatted FAT16, all files within directories, no files in the root, no Today's PI's associating to Progs. otherwise on the card.

Worth trying and comments appreciated.

In:

HKLM/System/StorageManager/Profiles/SDMemory

Add a new key: FATFS

In:

HKLM/System/StorageManager/Profiles/SDMemory/FATFS

Add a few new DWORD:

DataCacheSize:0

EnableWriteBack:1

FatCacheSize:0

Flags:68

In:

HKLM\System\StorageManager

"PNPUnloadDelay" = change dword value to:8196 (was 4096)

HKLM\System\StorageManager

"PNPWaitIODelay" = change dword value to:8196 (was 4096)

Values are DECIMAL!

Adding to the conspiracy theory.... it is possible that OEMs who donate us their ROMs have left alone dealing with this for a while, after all it's a matter of priorities, and if this is the solution, it ain't rocket sience either..

Note: There may be other factors relating to certain 3rd. party Progs. that generate the same issue but do not relate to the core problem. I'm referring above to devices with "clean" ROMs and no BS..

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The Israeli Team
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] adebilloez:
Unfortunnatly doesn't help. (for me)

I have clearly noticed that using SPB Shell increase the problem.

Before installing it, the problem was already present...go

Prety sure that WM notification event are related.... is something "special" launched when you wake-up your hermes ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaarAvigour:
If it adds to issue's info bank here. Both main test Hermesses (100 badged iMate and 200 badged HTC) didn't have those problems while on WM5, same Progs. installed. Same configs.

No freeking freezes yet, continue monitoring and will update. We gotta "break" this issue once and for good.

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The Israeli Team
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] maestronn:
it's pocket outlook

I have this problem whenever I set pocket outlook to automatically check for email on my imap server. The problem goes away when I set it to manual. This problem occurred on WMXL and Black 2.0 which I'm running now. I just updated to the 1.40.30.00 radio but I haven't tried it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rippingandfailing:
A possible solution...

ok, I've been reading through these posts and I have a possible solution. I have the same issue and I've noticed that it only happens after remaining in standby for a relatively long period of time.

So what if someone wrote a small app that woke the phone up every so often then put it to sleep again, that way it would never be continuously asleep for long enough to freeze.

what do you guys think?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaarAvigour:
It should work out of the box. This is something to deal with in the O/S itself, and not by a workaround. Working on it.

And still yet no freez'n..

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The Israeli Team
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] maestronn:
I just turned on automatic mail check back on in pocket outlook and within an hour my phone froze.

Do any of you that have the freezing issue have auto email check enabled in outlook?

I guess I'll be setting it back to manual and just click "send/receive" to get email.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] julz:
yeah its definitely related to the email program checking email. I had the same problem. However I flashed the rom again to 08/04/2007 lvws and it is crashing less often. I think its really a hit and miss. If you dont touch/use the phone at all after a clean flash it generally does ok. But this isnt practical so it would be nice if we didnt have to have this problem.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Kings Lee:
seems that...

Tried SaarAvigour's reg hack and it seems not working. Maybe it is still a micro-sd card issue with pocket outlook, as I have enabled auto email checking. Perhaps I will disable it and see. I will report again.

I still think spb diary make the problem worse, but if poutlook is to be blamed, I'll give it a second chance.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rippingandfailing:
Workaround

All Im saying is that this has been a problem for a while, a workaround would be better than nothing. All I want is for my mobile to stop freezing, I couldnt care less how that happens. Im gonna have a go at writing this program myself, if you dont want it then fair enough :p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaarAvigour:
Kings Lee; you may be addressing a different issue also discussed here. My following question may not seem directly related, but have you configured mail to store attachement on mSD ? (if so disable. The setting is described elsewhere here).

We have tested auto download of mail at various intervals, no issues at all (auto activesync, also suspected here at a times to cause freezing, was disabled by the setting discussed elsewhere here).

Another day have passed since enforcing the mSD mem. mgmt. hack. No more freezing of any kind ever since, leading me to be even more confident that (at least one) freezing issue is caused by wrong mSD Card memory management in the O/S - now resolved by the XDA-Dev. mSD memory Reg setting.

I am going to stage 2 of the test. These are the Progs. Installed now on both (cloned Hermes 100 and 200) test devices (over a clean late build of WM6 ROM, which seems to be available here as well..):

Main Memory (no PIs on Today's screen):

============

- WEBIS Pocket Info

- Resco File Explo

- Ilium E-Wallet

- Mobimate WorldMate

- DinarSoft MemMaid

- SOTI Pocket Controller

- OmegaOne 1-Calc

- PenReader Dictionary

- Sprite Backup

Memory Card (no PIs on Today's screen)

================

- NewsBreak

- Skype

- Nav'NGO 06 (SatNav Prog.) wth world maps

*) Cards: Toshiba 1 Gig and TekQ 1 Gig, both with Japan controllers.

**) PIs present on Today Screen - only O/S's, and WLM.

***) It is assumed that all Hermesses are bult equal in the core. This may be a wrong assumption, cousing some brands to behave differently than in our tests

****) It may also be possibe that some slight improvements were made to the hardware during the series, which may explain differences of behaviour

As said - both test devices present a stable behaviour. Continuing the tests.

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The Israeli Team
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
okay so the phone behaved very well after the hard reset. no programs installed and nothing calling for the storage card. I did the reg hack for the mem card and then set up my mail2web account and my aol mail....nothing else. then...there it was....freezing again. How ever...i do have the "store attachments on storage card" option checked. so i unchecked it and im waiting to see what happens. i will report back in a few hours to post the results.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Kings Lee:
testing continues...

SaarAvigour, thank you for your prompt respond. Let me put a little more detail here:

HERM100 (Dopod 838Pro)

Rom: Pro Black 2.0

Radio: 1.38.00.10

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Setup when freeze does happen:

- mSD mem. mgmt. hack. done, phone turned off for 20sec, and turned on again, used Total Commander to check the hack is still in registry

- sandisk 2gb mSD card, Fat16, no software installed

- outlook set to auto receive e-mail every 15 minutes

- outlook set to store attachment on storage card if A/V

- today's plugin loaded from device memory

--> spb time

- software installed on device memory

--> batti

--> ce-star

--> spb backup

--> pathnotes

--> spb imageer

--> mocha vnc

--> netfront 3.3 (cache on storage card)

- to make the problem worse, spb time was suppose to wake me up for work this morning, but it can't (cannot determine if the phone had frozen so it failed to wake up, or it is actually the cause of freezing)

I will go into the another test tonight, see if it still freeze. With the same setup described above, and in addition:

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- a soft reset before I sleep

- disable all spb time alarm

- disable outlook from getting e-mail automatically

- disable outlook from storing attachment on card

I will report here again, thanks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
well...it seems mail is not the issue...the issue is ineed the way the os access the storage card. the phone didnt freeze once after unchecking "store attachments on storage card." Im still waiting to see what avigour came back with. but i think we may have hit the nail on the head. everyone give it a try and see what happens. try removing any programs linked to the storage card, or any processes that call for the card.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] niralpatel:
I have the same problem

Hey

I had the same problem, got tired of it. So this is what i did

1. Flashed Radio 1.40

2. Flashed LVSW: 3.23.0.2

3. Did not even care to install any good looking programs SPB tools, etc

4. Prgs installed rite now are Windows Messenger, PHM Regedit, Live Search, Google Maps.

5. No SD Card Installed, I say again my sd card slot is empty.

6. However i go have 5 email accounts setup which check for mess every 30 mins.

If you guys even think of a test, let me know and i will test it for you.

Forgot to mention, the phone still has problems waking up from standby. Have to reset with a stylus very often.

Thanks all
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] maestronn:
I already tried many storage card scenarios including removing the card. I will try unchecking "store attachments on storage card" and enabling automatic send/receive and report the results. I install all extra programs on the storage card including "Spb Weather" and I have no problems when poutlook is set to manually send/receive.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] maestronn:
niralpatel

Did you try setting check for messages to manual?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] simon_darley:
my 2 bobs worth... having followed this a while and reading the comments the issues r likely to be 1 of or a combination of:

1 corrupt sd card

2 trying to chk for mail while a sleep. try turn off screen only not sleep

3 storing attachments on sd card from mail while a sleep

4 installing today plugins to sd card

5 system making calls to sd card while asleep ie appl is running in preocesses or tasks and trying to activate it whilst asleep

thhe general theme is the os when asleep doesnt like to access sd card at all.

i am running the enhanced storage os and have a lot more stored in the storage rather than sd card and freezes are minimal.

also... some cards may slower speeds so a slow read write sd card may also be an issue for u.

the gist though look to sd card memory mgt and storage issues.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] feareddevil:
I know what it is....

I have had this issue previously... and now it is back but was told why it happens. I orginally posted to the Wizard forum by mistake - but I think it is the Power_SERVICE.dll.

It occurs when it drops the unit to sleep - apparently it brings the voltage too low and the unit will not wake - unless soft-reset. I had it resolved by disabling the service - but after installing an app that soft-reset me - the dll seems to be back to its old deal.

To reproduce it - ur device must drop to a pre-sleep mode whereby the screen is barely visible. It will then wake by wheel jog - but if the device goes to sleep from that mode it locks every time.

Any help in removing/resolving that dll is appreciated.

Other thread I started on the issue (sorry wrong section - was on mobile when started.)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=302149
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Kings Lee:
dear all,

no freeze last night! so I will enable the spb time alarm and see if it is the cause tonight.

I will report again here.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaarAvigour:
Feareddevil, in our test cases, all works perfect and lightning fast w/o mSD in the device, while freezing starts when mSD is inserted and set in various configurations as raised up this thread. This still looks related to memory management of the mSD.

Your solution never the less still presents relevancy, since it is possible that the mSD draws more power that device's Power Mgmt. is set to. This may still be in line with our association of the issue to the mSD.

BTW. Same devices worked perfect with same mSDs with same Progs. on WM5, which means that whatever the problem, it is also WM6 ROM related, be it Memory or Power Mgmt. generated, or both.

You can check your assumption easily. Install Tweaks2K2 and configure it to wake-up the device to full power. There's a specifick Reg. Hack to do this.

In any case I count another day (I think that adding to 5) w/o freezing after the mSD Mem. Reg. setting. However the wake-up time with mSD inserted is 2-3 times longer than with mSD out (matter of secs in any case). This is good enough.. I think..

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The Israeli Team
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] joej:
this is one of those intermittent problems i have experienced since WM2003SE on various devices. guess MS still cannot get it right. oh well..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I'm finding that when IMAP mail is set to sync every 30mins I get the problem. I have an activesync account that is set to sync every 30 mins too, but that, when used alone, seems to be ok.

I even tried turning off autosyncing every 30 mins on the IMAP account and using SKschema to do the sync when activesync does its sync. I still got the problem.

This happens with or without the memory card in.

When I used live mail the problem did not happen as much.

Has anyone found tried POP?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] adebilloez:
mSD perhaps...in various test power managment seem in cause.

Issue ocur much more often when Ilet the device go in standby by timeout...hope we will found the stuff.

I'm using Direct Push.... SPB Shell (seems increasing the issues)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] liors111:
try to turn off BT for some time
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
well even after trying to no memory card thing it still froze. it did take it a looong time to freeze. I tried taking my aol mail off of every 10 minutes to manual. the phone has not froze yet. so maybe it really does have something to do with imap mail? im going to enable the "store attachments on storage card" option on my activesync mail again and see where that gets me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] luniz97:
i took off windows live....no more freezes
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I've had no crash since turning IMAP to manual checking. I have kept activesync exchange mail on though.

I will use Skschema to wake the machine when an activesync occurs and then get it to check the IMAP account.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] adebilloez:
I don't use imap and I encounter the issue...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Lordsmiff:
Did you try a radio ROM update? I had 1.38 on but it was drinking the battery down - put on 1.40 and now it seems OK to me :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I have the 1.40 radio ROM.

So are there people here who use IMAP with automatic check on, and don't have the problem? If so what are your IMAP settings who is your provider are using secute connection etc.

It could be something to do with how long it takes to do the IMAP sychronization or if the synchronization fails? I know you can get extensive logging from activesync is the same possible for pocket outlook?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
good news...i have not seen a freeze sence setting imap to manual sync. i set the "store attachments on storge card" option back for inbox....and still no problems. it seems indeed it maybe something to do with imap and sending to receivce.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I noticed that an IMAP sync does take longer than an activesync. Maybe that is part of the problem. I'll see if I can do something with SKschema to wakeup the phone when syncing IMAP.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] adebilloez:
Hum,

I'm not using IMAP and I encounter this wake-up issue...

Related to IMAP ...not sure at all !!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I agree it may not just be IMAP, but it would appear that it makes a difference.

I've got a skchema to log when a connection is made and when it's disconnected. I've noticed that when the device is sleeping and there is an activesync the connection event it not logged until after the sync has completed. This does not happen when the device is awake.

To be honest there are probably lots of factores involved. I think that the mSD card is just one of them.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] spinefixr:
imap issue too with Freezes

Yes, I have this issue. I could not track it down. I have tried every version of WM6 and even back on WM5 original Cing roms. Always would lock up never come back on from standby. I ALWAYS had my imap accounts checked automatically. When I unchecked this and do it manually, I get no more freezes! Thank you for the tip!

The storage card, never affected my 8525, with or without...it always happened.

I have the latest 1.40 radio on WM Cing Black 2.0 latest release. I am ALSO running SBp Shell, Time, and Insight with no problems anymore. This issue has 100% solved my problem...hopefully many of you will have yours solved by the same.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] feareddevil:
I do not have a mSD. I do not think it is related to the mSD unless it is the power issue you speak of it draining fast.

And I use 3 IMAP accounts and 2 pops, with Hotmail (Live)