yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
So are you saying that you don't get the freeze with this config? Is this because you turned off the power_service.dll service? If so what effect has this had on battery life?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
after running multiple tests and about 4 or 5 hard resets...it seems the imap auto receive is the issue for me. I went back to installing my usual programs on the storage card (google maps...live search...opera...mundu im...ect) and my aol settings to manual...not one freeze. i am so very happy about this. the only weird thing is...now it seems as if i cannot get text messages. i dont know what the hell this is about but i'll do some homework on this.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] SaarAvigour:
OK, at our side here we're exploring now the extra Power drain caused by using mSD as THE cause for freez'n. This is an easier one to test. At the moment we hacked registry to wake up to full power mode. This causes PPC to move to full power whenever it is powered on. To make things even easier, we use Tweaks2K2, a user friendly hacking interface by Frank Garcia. If this is it, we'll explore what to do and haw latter on.

Also at the moment 1Gig cards are always in, no "orphan" files at root level. Some Progs are installed on SD. Nothing to do with e-mail. We set POP3 to download automatically evert 15 mins. Attachment returned to mSD. All seems to work OK for 24 Hrs.

This path taken should be excercised with care not to drain battery faster than usual. It is important to set Power (settings/system/power/advanced) to turn off device if not used, to a lowest value, as otherwise some programs may power-on the device to full power and eat batery like hell.

If this IS the answer, we're in a good direction. This is also an older issue that comes up in various ROMs and O/S versions of other makes, and is usually taken care of by a ROM upgrade from OEM.

However it seems as Euro devices are different than US ones, since we do not meet some of the issues reported by US owners, and vice versa.

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The Israeli Team
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
Anyone got anymore ideas?

I'm still thinking it's something to do with IMAP, or a more general problem with power managment.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Charlie Mouse:
I was having the 'freeze in standby' issue and had my phone set to check two IMAP accounts every 15 mins. Since disabling the auto send/receive I haven't had a single freeze. It's been about 3 or 4 days now and still good.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I have the same IMAP issue - I don't have wake from sleep freezes. I don't install any applications on memory card. IMAP set to auto-sync will cause mail to freeze in about an hour. I can still read mails but Activesync and other inboxes cannot sync. I can sometimes recover this condition by killing 'messaging'. When I start Pocket Outlook again, I can sync sometimes.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] rdefalco:
Give a look in this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=294324

I also noticed (with a WM5 Vodafone v1605) that powering up the PDA without MicroSD inserted prevents the standby issue, but the problems accessing the MicroSD will be still there :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ratgutz:
I have been getting the lock up issue using black 2.0 pro.

I believe I have managed to stop it by removing any application from connecting to the internet, possibly only the 3G network. E.g. does not seem to happen with wireless activated.

Applications adjusted:

SPB Weather

Outlook auto Sync

Removed SPB GPRS monitor.

So far so good after 8 hours.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] chrisallen:
i also get this "freeze" but it also seems to freeze or stall a lot on the 2nd of the 2 splash screens when i first boot the phone.

i reinstalled everything, hard reset, etc. and installed all my usual programs, including spb pocket plus and time, google maps, magic button, and more. and it was fine! in fact is was very very fast. oh Custel's 2.02 based on black or whatever :)

set my email accounts to check every 5 minutes, etc. no problems! but after the phone had been to "sleep" for about 4 hours as i was sleeping... i noticed that my alarm did not go off, as I was late for work haha.

so now the thing stalls big time when i boot it, and it takes forever to run any processes.

spb pocket plus has a safe mode which disables all today plugins, and some un-named autostart things. anyone have a list of these things? because in safe mode, the phone runs like a charm... just no today screen!

oh and no mSD card. dude, it completely stopped working the other day! nothing will read it :( (anyone know about that problem?)

thanks. love this forum. i don't post a lot because i read a lot :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] johnburn:
@chrisallen, you mentioned a couple of things that all seem to point to the same root cause. Freeze on second boot splash screen, safe mode fixes problem, freezes occur after four hours of sleep (by default, device will revert back to Today Screen after four hours). All seems to point to a Today Screen plugin. By any chance, do you have one that either loads off the mSD card (not recommended, due to speed of mSD bus and the fact that the mSD card is removable) or "points" to the mSD card, e.g. enabling the Storage Card icon in the Resco Today plugin? If so, I would get rid of that relationship and then see if it still freezes?

Even having the Messaging plugin enabled and storing your attachments on the mSD card (and syncing the entire message) could cause this. Pocket Outlook will still check for new messages for the currently selected account if it is running, even when the device is "asleep" (assuming there is an active network connection, of course).

John
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I have active sync set to check every 30 mins. This has never caused the sleep problem. I did get it when I had IMAP set to check every 30 mins or windows live. However, I thought I would try flexmail for my IMAP accounts. I set up a notification (using taskmanager) that trigers a mail sync in flexmail everytime activesync finishes synchronizing. I have had no problems since. I did notice that sometimes the IMAP sync fails - but does not freeze the machine - with the same frequencing that I used to get the lockups (I will collect more data on this one)

For me I reckon that outlook has a problems with IMAP when in sleep mode. If the sync fails for some reason maybe this causes a freeze.

I've no doubt there are many different things that can cause this freeze. IMAP mail is just one of them.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] chrisallen:
Thanks for the tips. Probably something like that.

But as I was updating the ROM at work, SOME LADY STOLE MY PHONE!!!!

I have it on video too. MY PHONE IS GONE! :(!!!!!!! I gotta get a new one now... poop.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] johnburn:
The nerve! With a bit of luck, she unplugged it at the wrong time and now it's bricked! ;) My condolences...

John
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] chrisallen:
you know what... she DID!! and i didn't have any information on there cuz i just updated the radio before that...

so she stole a very expensive paperweight.... ugh, i'm trying to look for a new one right now!!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Amazing.

In this situation, you might think about an amnesty policy...

Maybe she will sneak it back when she realizes it won't start.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mitchg:
Definitely SD Micro related

Guys - I had the same problem w/ the original OS, AND just yesterday it happened again 3x, AFTER having all the ROMS updated, along w/ Black 2.5.

BUT - the only change I made yesterday prior to this problem reappearing was putting in:

In:

HKLM\System\StorageManager

"PNPUnloadDelay" = change dword value to:8196 (was 4096)

HKLM\System\StorageManager

"PNPWaitIODelay" = change dword value to:8196 (was 4096)

So, I set these keys back to default (4096,) and have NOT had the problem again! I am using a Sandisk 1GB micro, and did experience card corruption w/ the orignal ROM, so I figured I'd put those keys in now. But as soon as I did it, 3 no-restarts in one day!

I've heard good things about Kingston, but it seems hard to find a 2GB SD Micro from them.

Your thoughts???
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ixian:
Had a lot of problems with your battery going dead though. 1.38.0.11 is horrible for battery life. You may not think so but update to 1.40 or 1.41 and watch what happens.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
On LSVW 0423 these were set to 1500. I've tried setting them back to 4096 and not much difference. By turning off IMAP sync I've reduced but not eliminated the freezes. If I can't figure this out I might need to go back to WM5. I can't count how many times I went to use the phone and it was frozen (sometimes just a few minutes after using it).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I went back to LSVW 3.23 (with big storage enabled) and I ran the phone almost all day today - guess what- no freezes. This is about 2 revisions earlier version of the OS.

I think there is a diffrence in the mail code. The new account configuration screens are different.

I'll keep working with it for a while...

EDIT:

After a few more hours and no change in configuration, I'm getting freezes. This OS is less stable as well. It's been fun but I'm going to switch to WM5 again... I learned a lot and enjoyed myself but I need more stability from my phone at this time. Will check back in a few months. :-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
OK, I went back to WM5 which was stable but slow, and about 2 days later LSVW released 0505 and 0507. These are based on (yet another) new kerne.

If you are having stability issues, GET THIS ROM. It has resolved my 'freeze on standby' issues completely.

Enough said. Stop waiting, get it now!

0507

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=305675
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] alfred_jp:
could it really be IMAP?

since i dont have IMAP in my device, Hermes/TyTn - with configuration unmodified (ie., default ROM, default Radio, SIM/CID-locked, etc.); it may not be the cause.

im leaning more towards the external card, since it is the only "common" thing between all my freezes:

SpbTime was installed in the microSD card, and i had it set to wake me up every morning - most mornings, the lockups occur (LED flashing, but Power On button does not work, etc.)

after a standby, the lockups occur - and just before it went to Standby? PIE (w/ PiePlus) in the background with cache in the microSD card, IM+ running (install was in the microSD carD)

what do you guys think?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
Ok an update so far on what's happened with my phone (ref the locked thread) since yesterday.

Phone details:

M3100

Unlocked

Supercid

Olipro 2.10

LVSW 0705

Radio 1.41.00.10

installations kept minimal (all I'd done before I thought of trying Sleuth's ATi fix):

Codec pack

TCPMP

Sleuth's ATi fix:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=297717

I installed that.

During the day, I used my spare phone, with the M3100 starting off fully charged, locked, and in standby. Spare SIM in the phone, no calls on that to wake it up. Woke the phone up just after 10:00pm, with no problems. Battery still showing 100%.

No WiFi where I am at the moment, but switched it on so hunting for signal, also switched on Bluetooth with all Bluetooth devices off so no chance of a connect (just to explore for basic BT issues if there are any).

8:30am, phone woke up from locked in standby no problem, battery at 90%.

Next I'll connect a Bluetooth device, and leave the phone connected and locked in standby, all day, while still searching for a non-existent WiFi connection. ETA: BT is out, forgot my headset. I'll think of something else to do with it.

Will report back then.

Obviously nothing conclusive as yet, but prior to yesterday and the install of Sleuth's ATi fix patch, the phone 'likely' would have frozen at least once by now. So fingers crossed.

Once the phone has run its battery flat, I'll recharge it, and flash the latest Black and run the same procedure with Sleuth's ATi fix.

That should run me to Tuesday, and I'll have to actually use the phone from then until next weekend, and next weekend I'll see if I can try other/older roms to help produce more data.

If anybody has an idea related to this possible ATi driver issue, and would like me to run an application (a free one easy to download please) to further extend testing while the phone is in standby, please post a link to it. TIA.

ETA2: found the supplied headset, will plug that in and run MP3's all day. Reasoning for the audio specifically was Sleuth's mention of audio buffer overlap with the ATi, and with the headphones I can leave the volume halfway, with the phone in another room, and let it get on with things without distracting me. Shame not the BT though.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
SD card is a known factor in freezes. The problem is that many of us were experiencing freezes even when installing nothing to the SD card or even with the card removed.

In my case, I was always able to cause freezes by configuring IMAP to check as well.

Therefore, BOTH of these are all but proven to be factors causing freezes. The only problem is even people not falling into either of these still experience freezes.

An update for all: The 5.2.1413 kernel used in LSVW's released but later repealed 0505 (3.30.08) update has virtually SOLVED my standby freeze issues. I have slowly added back applications which I suspected might be involved, and I even have IMAP set to autocheck. Still no freezes?

I have PocketWeather (with auto check) loaded, SPB time, IMAP, etc. Solid, solid solid.

LSVW pulled it because he said that kernel was not intended for Hermes devices, but I don't care. it's working great for me. I just get a freeze during usage once in a while but I'd rather have that because then I can deal with the problem.

I have NOT configured SPB Time or other apps to try to connect to the SD card while in standby, so I can't say whether it has solved lockups related to the SD card. But I can say that it has fixed my IMAP issues and the device is stable even with the SD card inserted.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Ribbit: LSVW 0705 has resolved the freeze issues for me. Try the 0505 ROM if you have the time (LSVW pulled the original copy but there are mirrors if you carefully read the thread).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
Ok Khammo, I'll try that one after the latest Black, but will run this one through until the battery is flat (presently running Lynyrd Skynyrd, so if anything can freeze it, that will. :P).

The thing to bear in mind with things like SD card handling (as well as other things seemingly completely unrelated), is these can so often be the effects experienced when issues are caused by something else, or multiple something else's. NB, the storage card plugged in is a Sandisk 1gb.

I've come across this in spades over the past 20 years or so with building custom pc's for people (things like them adding a cheap scanner with atrocious, barely compatible drivers - let alone the scanner hardware itself, trashing their installations for them, etc).

ETA: I suppose it would be a *very nice thing* to know what version ATi drivers are included in specific roms (I've known so many people that have had to resort to an ATi driver of many revisions back to get things running on the PC - one of the main reasons why I tend to stick with Nvidia with all the desktop systems I have built in recent years)? Then maybe driver versions for the card slot, audio driver versions, Bluetooth driver versions, and work on from there?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] stanley1968:
I totally agreed that WM5 does not has this bug, but most WM6 have.

I had try every WM6 Roms which included English, CHT and CHS. Then I found these results:

1. phone cannot wake up after install SPB Phone and Mobile Shell, then uninstall them. Problem solved.

2. phone freeze after call-off, it was caused by third party dia-pad , then uninstall it. Problem solved.

3. I found most of English WM6 do have Issue 1 problem, don't know why. But CHT and CHS has less of this Issue 1 problem, even they both built by LVSW and Black core. As result of this, I found Black 2 has less frequency occured.

Now, I used CHT WM6 based on LVSW-0509 Core, and has Issed 1 problem with third party diapad, I'll uninstall it. And see what result again........

Personally, I'm not accept these two bugs.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] stanley1968:
These two roms still have this bug if you install SPB Mobile Shell or Phone Suit
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
I had no phone freeze during the test with LVSW 0705 and Sleuth's ATi patch.

I left the MP3 player run until the battery was at 40% (to get it below 50%), set the alarm, locked it, and left it.

After the alarm went off this morning I checked the battery, and it was at 30%.

Whether or not Sleuth's ATi patch was the contributory factor in this doesn't really matter, as it is now a known good reference point to go on from. :)

I'm now charging the M3100 up (for reference it's a Hermes100), and will install Black 3.0.1 when it is ready, and repeat the tests.

ETA: Anyone able to confirm that IPL is the BIOS? Someone I noted suggested that SPL was really the BIOS? Given how critical a BIOS is for OS and application/driver instructions being correctly passed to hardware, and a WM5 compatible BIOS not necessarily being compatible with WM6, this is another potential avenue for related testing. Of course drivers that work with WM5, aren't necessarily going to work with WM6 too.

TIA
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
I got Black 3.0.1 installed very late yesterday (life does have a habit of getting in the way of things. :( ), so didn't have the chance to leave the phone on standby locked during the day (it was on charge all day, switched off).

Sleuth's ATi Fix installed as well.

Overnight, I had the phone locked, and with an alarm set for this morning.

Alarm went off, phone didn't freeze! :)

In pretty much this state, same radio version, etc., it froze with me before (far too early to be jumping to conclusions though).

Battery still at 100%, leaving it playing MP3's to start to get the battery down below 50% before trying it again tonight.

Trouble is I am now up to my eyes in it for the next week or so, and am not going to have much if any free time on my hands.

I will try and fit in running specific WM6 roms so we can have a sort of reference 'baseline' that may be of some use.

I will beg a favour though. If someone would like a specific WM6 rom to be 'baselined', just throw a download link to it in this thread please?

Reason is I just tried to find LVSW 0505 to download so I can do that next, and have basically run out of time. :(

TIA

If nothing else shows, tomorrow when I finish work I'll flash Black 3.0 as I have it here ready to go.

Have a good one all.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I've tried both LVSW 0505 and Sleuths rom based on the new kernel.

Both freeze if I have IMAP mail set to automatic.

Does anyone have IMAP logs? Perhaps then we could see were it's getting stuck. My feeling is that when the mail is being checked the phone is in the power state "unattended" and if for example the mail check took too long then something times out and the phone is left in this state.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Are you setting to store attachments on storage card? That can cause issues even with WM5. I have two IMAP accounts and I couldn't get 0505 to freeze even if I set IMAP download frequency to 5 minutes or 4 hours. I'm currently using a 2 our checking interval for 2 IMAP accounts.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
That's very interesting; I don't have it set to store on the card...

What other settings do you have for those accounts? Are they using SSL? Which provider? Which Radio rom are you using? What power options do you have?

Sorry for all the questions. It's just that within 4 hours of turning automatic checking on, I get a freeze :-(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] swtaltima:
I have had occassions where my 8525 froze as well as on my moms and Brother in law. All I did was installed everything straight to the device and everythings perfect. Black 3.0 has allot more memory and is super quick. Worth a try unless you have allot of programs to install.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] leochan2005:
It hangs a lot if chinese recognition system is installed (in any WM6 rom). Gone back to 2.11 WM5 already, very stable and fast - no hangs in Chinese environment, and lots of programs installed - SPB insight, photo contact, Mobile Shell, various dialpad and etc.....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
IMAP is turned off. I'm using my own mail server that I run myself. It's based on Netsuite.

I was previously using Dreamhost but had a few issues with the email app hanging on an early Wm6 build when IMAP was enabled.

I've tried all the radio ROMs and I don't get freezes with 3.30.08 LSVW. I currently using 1.41.0.10. My power options are pretty standard - standby after one minute on battery, after 5 minute on mains.

Do you have other apps installed? That's how I knew 5/05 was stable for me. I still got freezes with IMAP using Black 2.0 / Black 2.5 etc., even after a hard reset and the only thing configured was IMAP and carrier connection settings. 5/05 passed this test for me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I don't have anything installed, just the IMAP accounts and an activesync exchange account (which has never given me problems). In your first paragraph do you mean SSL off?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
Quick update before I head out the door:

Couldn't get the MP3's to play on Black 3.0.1 (kept getting unexpected error with the library), and didn't have time to resolve it, so stuck it on WiFi to get the battery down some when I got home.

Phone woke up fine this morning, from a battery state of 40%. I know feelings aren't concrete data, but I'm happy the phone hasn't frozen yet.

Will leave the phone on charge today, and look for something else to flash onto it tonight.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Are you guys seeing more freezes when the battery is down? For me it didn't make any difference.

Also, I'm starting to get freezes (1-2 a day) with my current install of 0505 but to be fair, I have loaded it up with several dodgy applications.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] nittin_sp:
Definate Solution 1000%

Pm me i have the cbab file
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] nittin_sp:
I will upload the cab
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
What cab? What solution?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
is this some magical CAB file to solve all of our freeze issues, or are you guys off-topic? :-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ajb_111:
Freezes

I had some relief from freezing by changing the option not to save temp pocket IE files on the storage card and save them in main memory- seemed to help me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
Do you do IMAP syncing? I suppose they could be related as mail in IMAP accounts can use HTML which I assume is rendered by IE.