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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] wpbear:
A definite CAB solution from a guy with 11 posts...maybe but unlikely. I would take that CAB apart before running it on the device.

Anyway ,are that many people still having freezing in standby with the new LVSW ROMs since 4/23 and later? After 4/23 all my issues with freezing stopped. I changed nothing else, same radio, same sd card.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
But do you have IMAP syncing....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] wpbear:
No I use POP3. I did think that was my problem since I set to auto check every 30 min. I also thought it was my weather program doing it's updates.

But like I said I have flashed LVSW 4/23 and LVSW 5/5 and now LVSW 5/7 also some HR in there and not once have I had a freeze in standby. I understand how frustrating this is though when it was doing it, it was a pain in the ass. Come to think of it, XDALive v1, v2 and v3 did not freeze ever either though. It was only on early LVSW.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
'Lil helper' spotted and downloaded Custel v2 while I was out today, so will run that tonight (without ATi Fix first) and see what happens.

If I don't fall asleep in the chair (admittedly likely) I will try and get LVSW 0505 sourced and downloaded after I have some food, to have it ready to flash in next.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I think it's just that IMAP syncing takes too long compared with ActiveSync and probably POP3. I wonder if there is a way to speed it up?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] lanwarrior:
I think this has to do when the unit lose cellular signal.

I use underground train a lot and when I walk from the upper level to lower level and lose signal, the unit froze for about 1-2 minutes before showing the "Y...." icon.

Now, when I put the unit on standby (screen is off, etc.) and try to turn on the device at the location where I know I will lose signal, that's where the freezing occur whereby the unit won't turn on. I either wait for 1-2 minutes before trying to turn the unit again or just soft reset.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] deepdiver00:
I can get my black 3.0.1 to freeze "on demand" by simply using pimp_my_black and have the connection always ON for Cing GPRS. If I select Media_Net I still have to see it freezing regardless on what I do with the phone (push or not emails) or how weak or good the signal is.

Now that I know how to avoid it I am quite happy...:)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] aarman:
Similar to that, I can get the phone freezing "on demand" by enabling POP3 automatic mail check/updates. I leave it at manual, and there have been zero freezes over two weeks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I ran 05/05 Lite/Big Storage and I was even getting freezing until I went back to 05/05 Full/Big Storage...

I would like to try 05/07 to see if it's an OS kernel issue or just some ROM cooking bug that only affects some of us and gets improved over time with the tweaks being made by the ROM cookers. I have not had the time to do so (I have many pending obligations after I spent the last 4 weeks flashing my phone every night...)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
So with 05/05 Full/Big Storage you have automatic syncing of IMAP and no freezes?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] HunteR-RosE:
Wow, up until now I thought the reason my phone wasn't coming out of standby was because about a month ago my friend spilled a beer all over my phone. I was pissed. So now that I know this is a common thing... add me to the list.

I've read this entire thread from the beginning and I'm trying to remember some of the things that I've done to my phone that might explain this behavior.

From what I can tell, it doesn't matter what ROM you have baked on your phone, I've had them all. It doesn't matter what radio version your at, I've had quite a few. It has to due with storing your email attachments on the mSD card.

I'm going to keep you guys posted but to make sure this is what is happening these are the steps I'm going to take.

1.)Flash to Black 3.0.1

2.)Let phone sit for 24hrs

3.)No problems = turn on storing attachments to mSD.

4.)Problems = our answer

Maybe this is a little simple, everyone wants to check logs and go after IMAP. I could really care less what the technical reason is, for me it's just checking or not checking a box if that's the case. I'll keep you posted.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I can get it on demand without having attachements on the mSD card. For me IMAP automatically syncing causes the problem.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Yes, I have excaped the freezes of death even with IMAP autosync.

The freezes come back if I configure stuff to use the storage card though when I am not looking (like IE cache or mail attachments or weather or RSS apps storing stuff on storage card)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] packetmangler:
Switching to CUSTEL's..

Just switched to CUSTEL's V2.0 rom and I no longer have the freezing issue when IMAP is set to auto every XX minutes. I currently also have PIE to save to mSD.

I was running Black v3.0.1 before and was experiencing the freezing issue.

HTH

PM
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
This is great news. I believe that CUSTEL's V2.0 and 05/05 are based on different kernels. So it must be a config thing...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
Great news :-) How long have you been running for?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I have had 05/05 installed for about a week now and the only time I got standby freeze was when i tried to install stuff that accessed the microSD while asleep. As long as I don't do that, I have had no freezes from standby.

I might get a lockup due to other reasons every day or so.

I might give the Custel ROM a try as well. working IMAP is great, but it would be nice to have no freezes and SD card access as well.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] sevance:
My Solution: No Auto Pop-ing!

YES!!! I believe this was the answer for MY freezing also. I had 4 or 5 accounts popping automatically every 5 to 15 minutes (yeah, OCD for sure). I got sick of it when my friend said his 8525 never did it, so I knew it was my fault. I did a complete reinstall of my software, just in case, but...the trick was going manual on my email popping.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
I have had freezes even though I don't set up POP3 mail - I use 'to and from' hotmail accounts when out and about, as that's a nice lot of anti-virus checking things get. I started using that system when I last went back to Uni about 10 years ago, as the virus risks were so high, and I certainly wasn't going to put any media of mine into a Uni computer system prior to putting it into my own. It paid off too, after about 4 months, I was the only one in the class that hadn't picked up at least one virus, and I still hadn't had one when I finished, hehe.

Anyway an update that's a nice report, Custel I had no freezes with, without installing the ATi Fix (if it froze, I was going to ATi Fix it and see what happened). Like the others, the only thing I put in is the same codec pack and TCMP as the others, to keep things constant.

Duttys Medium OS only version 2 has gone in now, and I'll set it up overnight with an early alarm (if it's going to freeze for me it always does overnight in standby). It'll have to go out and about with me tomorrow, so I'll take the headphones, play some music, make a few calls, and dump a pile of data up the USB, but won't put anything in software wise, so as to keep on the same basis as the others.

I'd just like to voice my admiration of ALL the Chefs work with these roms, as it is certainly bringing it home to me what a fine job they are doing.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] charbz:
I've Fixed My Hermes!

I've been looking into this issue for ages, and until a couple of nights ago, I hadn't found any practical fix to my problem.

Any WM6 based ROM I've used has given me grief; freezing and making me miss all my calls. On a daily basis, around 3 or 4 times.

For a couple of days now I've been using the below version of WM6. As you can tell from the manner of my post, I'm not a professional programmer, but I managed to flash the os and extrom to my hermes.

Not only is it faster than any WM6 version I've tried before (with tons of programs installed - as with the previous WM6 versions I've tried), but I haven't had one freeze yet. I may be getting a bit ahead of myself, but usually by now, on any WM6 platform, I would've frozen a few times.

Full WM6 Pro. from Dopod (Test rom)

Give it a shot if you're game guys. Just thought I'd let everyone know, since I know how desperate I was for a practical solution.

P.S. I'm running an IMAP email account, automatically checking for mail every 30 minutes, and I have a 1gb SanDisk MicroSD memory card with several programs installed on it, none of which are running on the today screen (not for testing purposes, but for the fact that I like a clean today screen). Also, got a couple of programs running in the background off my main memory. HERM100, SuperCID, 2.10.Olipro (I think), 1.41.00.10 radio. - thought I should include all that information incase it helps anything or answers anyones immediate questions.

Charbz
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I've also found 05/05 Full/Big Storage to be stable :-) So what is the difference between 05/05 Full/Big Storage and 05/05 Lite/Big Storage (which apparently causes freezes)?

Does anyone know? This seems like an important discovery.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] HunteR-RosE:
Okay... well no freezes in over 24 hours when I turned off attachments after a clean flash to Black 3.0.1. Good thing because I didn't want to be late for work 2 days in a row!

I have a 2GB mSD and the synch time set to every 2 hours if anyone is curious.

I have also noticed a huge increase in battery life performance. I went to bed at 80% and woke up at 80%. Before it would easily drop 40% over night for no reason. Even when I left it charging it would go from 100% to 80% by the time I got to work.

Anyways... I'm happy. I can see how that registry edit might help if it's related to IMAP.

Later today I'll turn attachments on and increase the sync time to 5 or 10 minutes and more than likely it will freeze, in which case I will let you know.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] tylr:
Work around

I too used to have the problem. It seemed to span different radio and ROMs. I will try CUSTEL's 2.5 this weekend as it appears that kernel may stop the problem.

In the meantime I have instituted a work-around to the issue that has stopped all freezing for me. I use a profile program (right now Phone Weaver but also works with PhoneAlarm) and have a profile that kicks in at 5am each morning that resets the phone. That way when I get up the phone is 'fresh'. I was experiencing freezing (not waking from sleep) after the phone was on for several days at a time so the auto-soft-reset work around seems to do the trick.

I now have NewsBreak as a PI that updates constantly, WeatherPanel that updates every couple of hours and push email always on with no freezing.

Might want to give that a try as a work-around until a permanent solution is found.

T
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Many of us are getting freezes as frequently as every hour or so...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Hupfi:
Freezes

Hi,

in my case (XDA Trion from O2, WM5) it's the storage card. When I remove it, the phone is pretty stable. I am using the 2nd card already (SanDisk). Today I got an mail from HTC in which they confirm a problem with the file system when using Windows Media and the library (I often had a scattered file system after the soft reset), which is going to be resolved soon.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] beowulfs:
i seem to remember getting freezes while having a vpn connection set up. i screwed up the settings in such a way that every time i got a direct push or did an active sync with the exchange server it enabled the vpn. apparently when this happens while the phone is in standby, the phone won't resume. i had to pull the battery (don't remember if i tried the reset button). i just changed the settings on the vpn to not except my exchange server and that fixed it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I installed the Dopod Hermes Test Rom last night and it's working pretty well. I have had zero "freeze in standby" since installing. I had one hang during use which is about on par with other wm6.

I cleaned out most of the extended_rom directory.

By disabling video call, you can get rid of the ugly dialer skin. You can fix the "edge" icon issue by deleting rilgsm.dll from \windows, if it exists.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ifiweresolucky:
I have been running Black 3.01 since yesterday, and have had the phone lock up twice in standby. This was while using my 8525 with a 1gb microsd card inserted. I removed the card 2 hours ago and the phone has not frozen yet. I'll post again later if the phone locks w/o the card inserted.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I'm very happy with 05/05 Full/Big Storage it's been rock solid for me. I've heard that 05/05 Lite/Big Storage has the freeze issue. I might have a look and see if I can see what the differences are between these too ROMS
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I tried the Lite as well and I had freezes.

If you are experiencing freezes, I recommend the Dopod test ROM. It is more work to set up, but this is the most stable ROM I have tried of all.

Like the previous poster, I loaded several apps on the storage card (i never dared with any of the other ROMs). I also have IMAP, Windows Live and Exchange OTA Activesync all on push or scheduled check. It has been 2 days, and I have not had a freeze yet.

Today plugins are PhoneAlarm, SPB Time (with alarms set), PocketWeather (installed in main memory and set to automatically update every 2hrs), and NewsBreak, and Microsoft Office Communicator 2005.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
Which tools are best for dumping out the Lite and Full LSVW roms so I can compare them. Koch did not seem to work.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Ribbit:
Quick update on Dutty's rom- no freezes without installing ATi fix.

Bear in mind all these are 'as they come' flashings, with just codec installation and TCPMP, to hopefully provide some sort of base reference point.

Unfortunately I'm now stuffed for time to do any additional roms for the next week or so, so will continue with Dutty's for now.

Hopefully from next weekend I can start over with roms I had definite freezes with, and can take things from there.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] PostDeals:
same issue here, mine usualy occurs after few hours. I have DUtty's v2 ROM
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] HunteR-RosE:
Why does everyone think there is more too this then enabling attachments to be stored to your mSD card?

It's not the radio version, it's not the rom you're using and it's not what software you're running.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] charbz:
Probably because I've never once enabled that option and at one point my Hermes was freezing around five times a day.. As well as the fact that people have disabled that option and are still having the same freezing problem.. Read the thread before you try to patronise people...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
You are oversimplifying.

Many of us are getting the freezes even with the SD card removed! Even with controlled testing, the frequency of the issue changes depending on ROM version and radio version.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
I am not sure, but I ran the Dopod Test ROM through Tadzio's Toolchain to get more Storage space, and after 12 hours I am still freeze-free.

Note: Do NOT install Newsbreak. This causes freezes.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ishra:
I've been using the new LVSW rom with IMAP autochecking and it seems ok. If it can last overnight without freezing, then it's a good sign.

It seems like there are many reasons why the phones freeze. The main causes being the mSD card and IMAP auto checking. Maybe we should create a wiki page, to consolodate all our findings?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] HunteR-RosE:
Actually I did read the entire thread before posting on page 12 so I'd know what's going on. Thanks though = ) And don't forget I too had the problem, which is why I found this thread in the first place and posted my remarks.

And as far as I can tell, every rom that I've flashed to, whenever that check is enabled causes the problem. Which begs the question of whether or not you guys are over complicating things.

My phone hasn't had to be soft reset in almost a week now (since I disabled the checkbox for storing attachments on the mSD). Before, I could flash my phone with *** insert cooked rom here *** and set the checkbox, and within minutes have the problem.

So if what your telling me is that there is something more to this than that checkbox, I'd be more than happy to enable that feature on my phone and then report back to you with news that my phone has started freezing again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] hardcore:
Something else that might be the cause

Hi fellow mobile-frontliners! There could be something else that is causing the infamous "sleep of death".

I am using the LVSW 0507 ROM and had no sleep freeze problems, until after I ran the CAB to unhide the Extended_ROM.

Since I didnt really need to use anything from the Extended_ROM, I did a hard-reset, reinstalled all my applications and this time, did not unhide the Extended_ROM. So far so good, no freezing.

I dont presume to be an expert and this is not thoroughly tested - I'm just sharing the finding here.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] leo-chan:
I had the same problem using Black 3.0.1, have since changed to LSVW and no problems whatsoever...

You guys might want to consider it... It's way faster than Black...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] HunteR-RosE:
For some of us it's more like "mobile flatliners".
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
OK I tested the new LSVW variant that came out. I tried the "Elf" variant and it froze my phone bad. This was the same .1413 kernel as LSVW's 0505, so I think we can rule out the kernel as the problem. I am suspecting that the freezes are occuring due to something the cooks are putting in. I've been stable with Dopod Test ROM for a few days now with the same level of instability I had with WM5 (a lockup here or there).

I haven't tried LSVW's 05/19 version yet. I'm going back to Dopod Test Rom for now... I've uncooked it, removed the bits I don't want, Tadzio Big Storage-d it and got about 10mb of extra space, which is plenty to use Cabs to add back any parts that are missing.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] khammo01:
Hmm, showing the extended_rom may cause the system to suffer from the same kind of performance issues as the microSD card.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] chrisfernau:
Phone freezes in standby

I have the same problem "Sleep of death" problem as described in this thread after upgrading to Black 3.0.1 from WM5. Now I'm using LVSW 05/19 and it crashed yesterday in the same way as it did before.

For the record:

I've installed a few applications (windows live, map24, skype, ..) some on SD card.

I'm not storing my attachments on SD card, IMAP checks switched on when it crashed, extended ROM not mounted.

Opinion:

LVSW seems more stable, but doesn't solve the problem. I've used it for 3 days now with 1 crash. But I haven't used it long enough to be able to say if it makes a difference.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] fas73:
Hi chrisfernau,

I have exactly the same LVSW upgrade and the same problem on my TyTN, sleep of death is a good name for it. The unit simply wont start... First time I left it the night over with battery removed and was able to boot up again but defaulted. Now it's stuck again, so I will remove the battery for mayne 30 minutes and check if I can get into it again, that helped me one time before. However, this ROM seems to have given me a unreliabile piece of electronics, and I hope to solve the problem somehow maybe with another upgrade? I even think there could be something funny with the charging process as it stays on like 40% for a long time, then if I reset it (when it was working) it reported 70%... and the battery gets really hot too. This is a brand new unit that I've got shipped with a Norwegian language WM5 so I had to get it upgraded with new SPL, Radio and the May 19th LVSW black edition of WM6..

Someone else out there experiencing the same situation?

I'll be glad to assist with more details if it could help...

thanks..

Update:

I happened to purchase a faulty device!!! There was indeed a HW error on my brand new device so I got it swapped with another one that works. Not all problems are SW-bugs..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] punkhawaiian:
Freezes and won't wake up

I think you guys are right about the mSD thing. I am using Black 3.0 and did not experience the problems until I pimped my black and set store attachments to mSD. Once I disabled it it still had the problem for awhile but after about 4 soft resets it cleared up and has not returned. I will let you all know if it does. I really appreciate all the help and suggestions found on tis site.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] fas73:
hmmm.. what about us not even using a micro SD? I have no card fitted into my TyTN at all.. is there some registry-tweak for this... heeeelp..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] HunteR-RosE:
Yep. That's what I'm saying. Ever since I flashed to Black 3.0 and DISABLED mSD attachment email storage, no problems in over two months!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] sure:
I believe mSD caused the problem. Make sure that you format your mSD as FAT rather than FAT32 format.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ramontrotman:
i've been running black shadow for a few days. my aol mail is set to send and receive every 10 minutes....and i DO NOT have the freezing issue. cheers for shadow!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] echoz:
getting sleep problems here with shadow... :/
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] lewisleung:
I 've flashed Black Shadow lastnight. Only intalled ce-star 2.8 R3.

Working fine in pass few hours. Freeze happened after Windows Live Messenger was actived.