[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Lordsmiff:
OK OK, let's not all get carried away here. This is a small temporary problem that will, as someone has already said, go away on it's own. A new fad \ new OS \ new phone...and people will drift away again.

There are some very harsh words being said here that just make it sound like some people would have this forum turn into an elitist boys-club.

I've been hanging around xda-dev since I bought my wallaby years ago and registered in 2005 when I got my exec. I read a lot and post very little. To some, I would appear to be a n00b, just because I've only had a few posts but in reality, I've been messing with this stuff for years. There are far cleverer people on here than me, but I'm certainly no noob.

So, would I be given access to your new club? How would anyone know to invite me to your 'secret' forum? What about people who know stuff you want to know but because they don't own a phone like this, don't want to pay the subs?

Firstly, paying for access - while it sounds like a good idea, it will not only alienate a lot of people (granted, most of them you *want* to alienate anyway) but, again as pointed out already, will bring down the wrath of the owners of the software in question, and personally, I think Microsoft would win this one.

Secondly, the quiz thing - searching for answers to quiz questions is a hell of a lot different than reading the wiki properly. Lazy people are and will still be, lazy. A quiz will do nothing.

Thirdly - a 30 - 45 day waiting period before being allowed to post? Are you guys serious? People are n00bs for a reason - because they're "new". Does that mean they should be excluded from participating in one of the best sources of information and discussion about these phones just for being new? Come on guys, be realistic. Noone will bother to wait that long. They'll just go to howardforums or modaco and xda-dev will die. We were all new once too - and if anyone tells me they've never asked a stupid question on a forum, I'll show you either a saint or a f***ing liar.

And as much as the guys cooking the ROMs have to be respected for the work they do, some of their attitudes are starting to pi** me off too! What is with having a [closed beta] on developers site? And a closed beta of illegal f***ing software at that??

/rant - sorry that whole idea just winds me up :)

As for jj - I'm running black 2.0 and it's great - it's working fine for me but if he wants to stop doing his ROMs because people ask him too many questions then fine, see ya mate :-P No disrespect but there are ignore lists and you could just choose not to read your PMs - give your email address to the people you would stay in private contact with and ignore the PMs...simple. If you share something in "public discussion forum" then you are by definition, inviting discussion and or questions from the public. By saying "I'm sick of the n00bs..." whatever, just smacks to me of someone who is getting up his own arse and deciding he's better than all these other cretins. And honestly, no disrespect is meant here :) i really do hope you keep up the good work :)

/rant - ok for real this time :)

I'm sure this post will make me unpopular with some people but to be honest, I've got enough going on in my life that I could care less what people with a high opinion of themselves think about me. But before this turns into a bun fight, let's all just take a step back here and be a little more philsophical about all this. It's a hobbyist site - let's try to keep it that way and not make us all seem like a bunch of jumped up **** heads and frighten away any body who wants to get involved. You never know - that bloke you just flamed for asking a daft question could turn out to be the next vijay or buzz lightyear ;-)

Lock the new ROM posting threads to everyone but mods and authors. 1 day cooling off period - max. No subs. No quizzes. Just play nice and ignore the stupid questions :)