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[About XDA developers] peezy:
...sooo sad.

Just my $.02. Its funny how its so easy to say whatever you want because your 3000 miles away from the person on the other end. Even tho some ppl derserve the flame, I try to go by the rule of "dont say anything to someone you wouldnt actually say if they were in the same room as you". I know one thing if someone called be "boy" they'd be gettin knocked the F*ck out! And somehow I dont think some level 30 dungeon master would be saying such things if they were in the same room as me.

So, I guess I will side more with the noobs on this one. Lets all just paste a quick link for stupid questions and politely suggest people try searching in the future.
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
Be kind, be Happy, live longer.

Nothing good to say?

Say nothing.
[About XDA developers] bleeding_edge:
if mods cant moderate and the problem is out of control i say bash em and bash em good
[About XDA developers] st3v3:
i second that,

anyone that cant read basic instructions (like those included with most patches, upgrades and tweeks) also deserves a good ear bashing should they post something stupid like "i bricked my phone because i didnt follow step 3"
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
Some of you people, phones are more to you than people.

Keep it in perspective, I think it is invariably the immature members that do the bashing. Immature, not junior. There are ways of communicating without offending all of us should use.

When you flame someone for a stupid question, it is you yourself that appear stupid, the fool or the fool who follows the fool.

Sometimes I wonder where some of you have left your sense of humour.

This is how I imagine the flamer: No girlfriend, big porno downloader, living with Mum and Dad still and a lot of very ***** spots.

If you don't like morons then why be one yourself?
[About XDA developers] bbobeckyj:
people flame, and people get flamed for different reasons, you can't stereotype.

check this thread for my favourite example, it includes mods and rom cookers (unlikely to match the previous posts description).

I think the main problems are

1-people being lazy and expecting everyone to work their phone for them, and

2-newbs getting lost trying to work out what terms like RUU; bootloader; AKU; CID lock etc are.

If you come here because you've heard of the site and it's your first ppc, would you expect most people to know about flashing? most of the stickies are not titled so that a newb would know what they were about, eg in the wizard forum there is 'SOLUTION FOUND -CID/sim UNLOCKING FOR WIZARD WITH AKU2 ROMS' but if you didn't know what a cid lock, was would you bother to read it?
[About XDA developers] shogunmark:
actually i disagree.. most (not all, but most) of the flames come from people who have spent countless hours reading and searching to find answers or just learning, then you get someone who comes in, doesnt read, doesnt search, just post's a new thread in sheer laziness about a problem that has been covered many times before. This frustrates the people who have actually worked to find that very same answer...
[About XDA developers] spastico:
Thanks Shogun,

I am 'noob' in that I just joined toward the end of last year.

Somewhere along the lines wpbear told me, in a rather firm tone, that my question had been answered, go search.

Funny thing is, I wasn't offended. I apologized, told him about all my efforts over at TC, regarding this 'search first' issue, of ones just starting threads and asking questions of things that haven't just been answered a couple times but over and over and over.

One of my favorite things about this place is the knowledge. Not because it's a nice place to hang out and make friends.

Is this place about people and their feelings? NO! you stupid brainless idiot! If you just show up here and start asking questions, and worse yet start threads w/o first reading the FAQ, wiki, Forum Rules, and a few of the exising threads, then you prolly shouldn't be even messing with your complex gadget anyway.

If somebody hurts your feelings, shake it off, suck it up, learn what's expected of you, or make like a tree and get out of here!

I've seen this story repeated over and over again. Were not talking about peoples feelings for cryin out loud, This is not a Customer support line, No one owes us anything. Now come hear to learn and share, and leave your feelings out of it.

I say to the Mods and the seasoned users; Keep up the good work. I don't want to see this place catering to feelings.
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
My point is not just to be sensitive to others, but that it is better for you as a human being to be kind.
[About XDA developers] shogunmark:
im not saying i disagree with that, as i do believe in it, its one of the reasons i am a mod here.. however you have a board here that is multi-cultural and everyone here has their own mind and their own way of thinking, so not everyone is going to agree with that. Some people will be offended, some people will take it as a lesson learned.. you cant cater to 1 person or a group of people because you may end up offending someone else. its an uphill battle...

And im not saying i condone flaming, or even some of the language some members take towards others.. but i will say this, if you got flammed then there was probably a good reason for it, take it as a lessoned learned, our rules here are simple, abide by them or take up membership at http://www.howardforums.com/

And im not trying to come off as a hard a$$, if you have pm'd me you know that i am rather friendly and help out when i can.. but i do have to take a hard stance.
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
Just looking back at my posts and I sound like an old woman.

No one should ever be offended by what amounts to zero.
[About XDA developers] apd:
I've been watching this one occasionally and thought I add my £0.02.

This is a fantastic site which usually has fantastic co-operation. Before I started posting (and certainly before I did any upgrades), I made sure I was used to the site structure and had read at least the wiki and the recent posts in the relevant seciton (which was then Uni). (In fact, as I'm a geek, I had read almost the whole Uni section).

I see no reason why we shouldn't expect the same of all noobs. Those of us who do provide advice where we can don't want to have time wasted by having to repeatedly post "do a search" or "please don't double post" or "why don't read this thread" messages.

That said, we should not flame - these noobs (however stupid / lazy they may be) are usually only human.

I think the solution is twofold - (1) a sticky on every forum setting out that you must search before you post (and telling you how to search effectively) and (2) stronger moderation (sorry mods). Repeat offenders could then simply be barred.

PS could we also have stronger action on the occasional spams that appear?

Back to the 3D world now....
[About XDA developers] apd:
Just before I forget

Almost forgot to metion why it is I became involved.

Here is a good example of what stronger mods could eradicate: a very good example of how to waste a lot of people's time

I'm not suggesting that we be overly harsh about this - but obvious cases could be approproately dealt with.
[About XDA developers] shogunmark:
well thats also twofold as we cant catch everything, so we do rely on other members, i get several pm's a day on bad threads and deal with them as soon as i get the time.. and i think that thread you linked was one that was pm'd to me, i removed it as soon as i woke up this morning.
[About XDA developers] apd:
A fair point. Perhaps an answer is to have a list of mods for each forum - or something like Midget's announcment in the Uni forum: http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?f=280. That would give noobs clear guidance and would allow us to ID the mod for each forum.

PS - thanks to all the mods for their hard work!
[About XDA developers] shogunmark:
we are usually easy to find, as most of us are very active in the boards in which we own devices, we do occasionally look around at the boards as well. But im more than willing to play peace officer wherever needed. i am usually just a pm away :D
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
I like this noob.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=306236
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
Err...

What kind of offence?

Repeated Flaming or asking repeated stupid questions again & again?
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
I think people are getting more and more impatient this days, young and old, new and senior.

One end ask question without thinking, searching or reading.

One end get frustrated especially the answer sometimes is on the same page the question is asked.

I first read about Uni from some phone website before it was launched and chanced into this side through search engine.

Before I really join, I read through many threads before the Uni launch.

I finally joined because I need to download and the rest is history.

The right altitude is before you really one to do something, always ensure you know if not all, most of it from A to Z.
[About XDA developers] bbobeckyj:
i would like to see more mods, as i type this there are 1400 people on site and only 2 mods, usually when I'm on site there are about 1000 and no mods.

also i like the idea of (but probably impossible to do) having a test before anyone can access links to brickable software
[About XDA developers] fnordelus:
I'm also a "noob" and had a similar firs experience. I purchased an XDA exec and was like "WHERE CAN I GET WM6, I'LL PAY FOR IT!". I did not take notice that I might have been raising flags, and most importantly offending the developers. I feel like this is a secret society in every right and that type of behavior is uncalled for. I finally found what I was looking for and much more. It takes a lot or reading and "puting 2&2 together". I have been frequenting this site since since January, and I love it. I mostly read the threads and respond only when I feel like I can give some valuable input, and or have a valid question. I also am a firm user of the search function.

By the way, when am I officially not a "noob"?
[About XDA developers] apd:
I agree there should be more if poss.

No - let them read the wiki / other forums, all of which make the risks of bricking very clear indeed. Old fashioned punishment for the curious cat?
[About XDA developers] apd:
Sounds to me like you've learned the right lessons already!!!! I suppose the other 'test' is when you answer more questions than you ask....
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
After 100 posts.
[About XDA developers] apd:
Is there an active mod in the Athena forum - we have quite a few senior members but I haven't noticed a moderator posting for a while.
[About XDA developers] apd:
I had in mind the eejut who had posted the same inane question in 7 different forums (see my earlier post, although his posts have now been removed!).

IMHO people do also need to think carefully before they flame but sometimes you just have to let it come out! What is more serious is when non-noobs (I've just coined that!) are flamed - like Midget's treatment in the Uni forum when he asked for donations (not that I want to open that up again).
[About XDA developers] peezy:
Since the flaming issue is out of control (ex. I will most likely get flamed for this), I suggest we at least have a little fun with it and institute a designated "flame meter". This person would rate flames on a scale of 1-10. This way when I am searching through useless posts (like this one), I can at least take a break to entertain myself and search for the 8-10 rated flames.
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
Yeh really sounds hilarious I'm sure, but do we need a competition for best flame. It might just wind up encouraging people to swear and be obscene, all of which at the end of the day can only lower the excellent reputation of this web site. The point is to develop and not to knock down.
[About XDA developers] :
so what place on flamemeter would words "dip****" "asshole" and "f*ck" have?

i am curious as i been named in such nice way...
[About XDA developers] peezy:
Just harsh profanity alone should not get you a high score. Its all about the setup. It has to be a super noobish question like "...whats activesync", or it could also be a noob whining and complaining because his question wasnt answered. Its too easy to call someone a d*p****, hence not high a score. You have to really get into him and let it all out.

We should also start the "Hall of flame" thread so people can link their best flames. Im sure most of them would come from the hermes forum...
[About XDA developers] :
wise words. thx.
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
Maybe the mods could just move all the dumb questions to a dumb questions thread, that would be a sticky.
[About XDA developers] bbobeckyj:
two of my favourites

I've got nothing better to do than flame

and

Screen flickering a 312mhz (not a normal flame but amusing)

which are both from the wizard forum
[About XDA developers] uniqueboy:
Made me laugh, classics for sure.
[About XDA developers] misfitflt:
n00b's first post

Ok. I am a n00b. I've been a member for a while. But I haven't made any posts. Frankly, I am intimidated. :confused:

I have read the wiki (at least for my Hermes) and a lot of the threads. I am trying to decide if I want to risk bricking my phone with CUSTEL v1.3 vs BLACK vs.. etc. I have read these complete threads. I was especially intrigued by the internal GPS on Hermes thread. To bad that didn't work out.

I find the information on XDA incredible. This is my first post. I figured this might be a safer thread to post my first post in. (as the expected result of a first post seems to getting bashed.)

I have used pocket PCs since about 1999. I had a NEC MobilePro 770. It died and was replaced with a Jornado 720, which I still have. I have owned an iPaq h1910 (which I loved). I currently own two iPaq h4155's (which until I got my Cingular/AT&T 8525 in Nov) I tethered with my Nokia 6820.

I have been in the computer industry longer than some of you have been on the planet (since 1977.) I am a system administrator for some very old and discontinued HP computers. But I have programming background (unfortunately only a little C and more COBOL and Fortran), but my analytical thinking and problem solving skills are excellent.

Sorry for the length and apparant off topic nature of this post. But now since I've introduced myself here is the point. Most of the posts I see on the forum intimidate even a person of my background and credentials. I am sure I have a lot I could offer (if I could find the time) but if almost anyone new gets flamed, you are discouraging a lot of possible talent from joining into the conversation.

I do understand and see that the senior members are not the problem (but I can see even they getting tired of weeding through all the garbage posts) but in an open forum I guess we have to live with both the n00b redundant questions and the bashing the goes along with it.

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[About XDA developers] spastico:
Is the noob a future guru? maybe.

But I can guarantee you, if you bash a future guru, he will rise above it and see that this place has the knowledge, and stick around. Do you think JJ would have left if someone bashed him?. He's now saying he might hit the road because of the stupid noob questions. Now we have to ask ourselves; 'do we want to worry about hurting a noobs feelings at the risk of losing JJ?

Please everyone, I'm begging you! quit answering repeated questions, and tell them to search, tell them read the wiki, warn them of what JJ said.

If you don't know of his recent warning, then you have some searching to do.

http://forum.xda -developers.com /showthread.php?t=298893
[About XDA developers] liamhere:
we all had to start some where

this is my 1st post here

does that make me a n00b> :rolleyes:
[About XDA developers] grayme:
I'm not going to answer that, do a search! :p
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
COBOL & FORTRAN. Has not heard / seen of it since some 15 years ago!!! You must be around 50/60+ years old!!!
[About XDA developers] Armyfamily:
Yes that means you and I are noobs lol? New to the site = noob
[About XDA developers] spastico:
The Noobs that we were refering to were'nt new members,

Sheesh, I've I have ony been here about 6 mo.

The noob that gets bashed is the total selfish idiot that is too lazy/stupid to figure things out for themselves.

But there is no more need for me to concern myself.

Quote from:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=306754
[About XDA developers] misfitflt:
COBOL and Fortran

I am not quite 50. So I have valuable experience. I also have my own PS3 and PSP and TIVO and just about any techinical toy you can name (at least the ones that I consider worthwhile.)

Why would such an old guy have all these cool new gadgets? You ask... Because 1) You are only as old as you feel. (I run three miles and lift weights 4-5 days a week) 2) I like to explore new technology. 3) I can afford it. 4) I like toys (He that dies with the most toys wins.)

So how old are you?

Did you know that VISA and MC run on old IBM mainframes that haven't been manufactured in decades?
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
Heh...Heh...If you are not yet 50. I am slightly younger than you. I do learn Fortran in school and the only time that I use it was during my holiday job porting softwares from one SuperComputer to another. No experience with COBOL. :D

As far as I know, IBM Mainframes are still one of the most reliable for Real Time Operation around. Unlike M$ and its machine. :D
[About XDA developers] bbobeckyj:
here are two examples of noobs that myself and another spent a while helping, at around the same time. both tried to flash a wizard without cid unlocking. one of them gave no info other than 'stuck at bootloader' the other listed exactly what he (or she) had done and lots of info, eventually he posted a link in the other thread to his own thread to help sort it out. so he's gone from 'stupid noob questions' to helping already, if he got flamed originally do you think he would help others afterwards?

good(?) noob (with 11 posts)

bad noob (with 144 posts!) how can someone read and post 144 times and not know about cid locks
[About XDA developers] Armyfamily:
Someone can read something 200 times for all i care and that still shouldnt mean there a noob. Some people have a harder time comprehening certain instructions. I honestky think that everyone should be treated the same. Doesnt matter if your and Admin, Mod, or noob we are all treated equally In mankind.
[About XDA developers] peezy:
I dont agree. Especially with the name "armyfamily" you should know. Maybe you have just read a couple post in this thread and have not followed it in its entirety, but beginning members (n00bs) are cluttering our threads with double questions and questions that have not been researched first. I would also extend this genre of thread cluttering to not just new members, but lazy/selfish (like stated a few posts back) ppl who dont take the time to reasearch information themselves.

How we know you are a noob:

1) You ask stupid questions

2) You ask the same questions more than once and when your question is not answered (most questions that have already been answered are not) you wonder why

3) You have never searched for your own answer, or read through a 500-post thread, hence you dont understand how F*KING frustrating it is to read useless comments and stupud questions when you are trying to answer your own!!

4) You harrass the chefs and developers, inadvertantly biting the hand that feeds you since they end up leaving and we lose all of our kick @ss ROMS.

5) You post questions for help but you dont give any background information about your system or how you got to the problem.

6) You post in the wrong section, creating a thread that has already been created

7) YOU SAY THAT EVERYONE IS EQUAL AND SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME!

Come on man, when you apply for a job, why do they not give you the CEO position when your fresh out of college? Because you have no experience.

When you apply for the army, why dont they make you a general instead of a private?

This is not about black, white, jewish, deaf, poor, blond or whatever you are.

This is about preserving the integrity of our forum. Im not condoning viscious flaming, but we have to find a way to clean this place up, and it just so happens that the source of our problems come from the noobs

WHEW...CAN I GE AN AMEN?
[About XDA developers] CWKJ:
Ha Ha, you sounds old too!!!
[About XDA developers] Sleuth255:
My $.02:

This is a developer site. We are not a helpdesk. We work miracles on HTC devices. Everything we have here is free. An answer for every question you can possibly think about regarding HTC devices can be found here.

Stop to consider that for a minute.

This is one of the most unbelievable communities I've ever seen. I spent months learning here before my first post. I wasn't afraid to make it either because it wasn't a question. It was a Thank-You and an observation to help future posters. You can read my first post here (I used advanced search to find this btw).

Consequently, I don't have kind thoughts for those who show up because they've heard about "the mine that has free gold" then demand that we "show them where the veins are".

To all n00bs:

You must find your own answers here and by doing so prove that you can also be an XDA-developer. Make your first post the answer to a question or a thread about your observations and you won't need to be afraid.

Remember, we are not XDA-HelpDesk. We are not XDA-HandHolders. We are XDA-Developers. There are none better. We are engineers. We are software gurus. Age is irrelevant here as is race, sex and nationality. We do object code. We can read hardware schematics. We pride ourselves at being able to figure out anything. We aren't afraid to risk bricking our $700 phones to find out a fundamental answer. Read this site to learn more about what we do. Then, join the fight.

If you disagree or don't understand this then hang out at HoFo or better yet, leave your expensive HTC device alone. You'll void your warranty if you follow us and you won't have your Operator's helpdesk (the one you pay for) to answer your questions anymore.

Are you ready for us? Do you have what it takes?

Lately, reading the countless n00b posts, some asking questions that have been already answered on the previous page of the same thread they are posting in, I'm beginning to wonder....
[About XDA developers] emann30:
We are all NOOBS in my book because we all learn from each other. Even senior members, moderators, junior members, and just plain members learn something from the next person who isn't afraid to post something. It's true that a lot of us so-called nOObs need to read through the forums to get answers for some questions, but if you no the answer, just give it to him/her. Or maybe lead them into the direction they need insted of " nOOb BASHING". On the other hand, questions like how do I turn on my phone, or whats WM6 stands for is crazy. It doesn't hurt to read, thats how everyone learns. So lets try to stop the name calling and bashing, and continue to make roms, application, registries, hacks, extended roms, etc. work better than what the original developers gives us. This site rocks, and I check it daily. I too someday will make great ROMS and Apps., etc.:D

And by the way; I also know how to read SOLID STATE schematics:p :rolleyes:

Thank for reading

Senior NOOB :cool:
[About XDA developers] apd:
How about this as a promising start to a long and productive presence on xda-developers!!!!

mmmm I wonder if they could also help me decide what to have for breakfast?

:eek:
[About XDA developers] newbie2:
I saw that one, too. Had to actually sit on my hand to keep it from typing what it wanted to type in answer. . . and people wonder why noobs get flamed?!?!? There's your answer. . . :mad: