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[Xposed General] zelendel:
Wow seems some just dont have any idea. Well let me let you in on something. I only warn once and then you end up banned.

Now all the childish name calling and arguing stops. The next insult issued will get you banned from the site for good.

I dont care if you like xposed or not. If you like it then use it and shut up. If not then dont use it and shut up. Either way stop the school yard antic. This is a developers site. Not a rom site and not a user site.

Now it has been awhile since I have had to repost this but it seems that a point needs to be made again.

Bottom line is people just cant talk to anyone any damn way they feel. This is not a site to make people popular. Hell I dont give a **** how many people use the kernel, rom, mod, or hack. Act like a fool and you deserve to be banned for good. The rules are here for a reason. Either follow them or leave, your chose.

Now I have had to hold my tounge on this for a while but no longer.

XDA is a developers site

XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only

XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Like Logcats and crash messages. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix". And even Maybe help fix what is broken.

XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.

XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.

XDA is not your friends house

XDA is not a democracy

XDA is not a place to make Money.

XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.

I have watched XDA become a place where every dumbass in the world has a smartphone and comes here thinking they have the right to anything. Well guess what? You dont have the right to ****. We share it because we want to and we dont if we dont feel like it. Are the Developers or the Mods required to make you happy? Nope not in the least. Wanna leave. Go ahead. I beg you, please do. The less people that are asking dumb question cause they dont know what they are doing (this is understood when your new, but at least look) or are too lazy to look for it the better.
[Xposed General] Goldie:
It's a shame this thread turned out like it did. It had the potential of a good debate on the subject and some good points were made on both sides. Unfortunately some people take debate as hate. Anyone should be able to see that the posts for and against were neither hating nor flaming. It's the individuals that pop up in between with a one liner that shows zero understanding of the subject and merely serves to rally the troops for more one liners to add to the name calling.

My thanks to all who actually contribute to xda and to this debate before it was derailed and degenerated into insults by the one liners. :)
[Xposed General] psycoturko:
Great!
[Xposed General] mbj731:
I'm not a developer, but I see their plight. Obviously, these people love creating and developing, not only for themselves but for the community... Unfortunately, the community doesn't give back much but ignorance and *****ing. A lot of users won't do a simple search or do a little research to troubleshoot. Instead, they plead with the dev or blame the dev or just ask stupid questions etc... It has to be frustrating. This brings me to my point and how this relates to Xposed...

Most custom ROM devs customize their ROMs according to what their respective community wants in a ROM. They aim to please the majority of the community with every bell and whistle possible. That's a great thing! Most want to be the most feature packed, stable, functional ROM out there. Those ROMs attract a certain audience.

Xposed is handy for people who don't want all the bells and whistles, but do want a few tweaks. Personally, I've ran stock ROM with Xposed and I've ran dozens of custom ROMs. It's really all a out what features I want/need at the time. If I feel like the development in my current phones community isnt stable enough or the features just aren't there... xposed is a great solution. But, I tend to find myself flashing custom ROMs, although I could do most of my tweaking via modules. I do not believe Xposed limits development of ROMs. I, like many others here, flash ROMs constantly. No ROM will ever have all the features and functions that every user wants. A new ROM comes along, I like to take it for a test drive. If everything is there and I like the feel, I'll keep it for a while and follow its development.

Simply put, as others have said, I think Xposed has its place in the community. But obviously it hasn't taken over. There will always be a "need" for ROM devs and the custom ROM community. I think most of us are addicted to the point that we won't give up flashing, even if there are other solutions to achieving what we want. :D

And, that concludes my book. Not really new insight on the discussion, but just the opinion of a level headed "user" who doesn't have to resort to name calling or take this too seriously.
[Xposed General] MSH2000FF:
Please... Xposed will be ported to lollipop

Sent from my SM-N910C
[Xposed General] egingell:
And *if* Xposed somehow kills ROM development, guess what, just like any economy, devs will adapt and start writing Xposed modules. In fact, some ROM devs already do. The phrase "adapt or die" (Charles Darwin) applies to this as much as it does to evolution.

I, however, doubt Xposed will replace ROMs any time soon.

Sent from: SGS2 - JB 4.1.2 GB27 / SGS4 - JB 4.2.2 MF9
[Xposed General] mohsinleo05:
Cant wait with lollipop sweetness :)
[Xposed General] Lazynestor:
Waiting..................???
[Xposed General] silentvisitor:
Just got directed to this post and man.......my eyes are still staring at screen :)

May God always bless you !!!

Good luck :good:
[Xposed General] murfi:
do you want this forum to implode? because thats how you get this forum to implode.
[Xposed General] rasry:
Nice

Nice job bro ......
[Xposed General] pavik62:
Don't believe ! Require evidence
[Xposed General] vanisleguy1976:
Nobody is required to do anything. Wait and see. If you choose not to believe, that is your prerogative. [emoji57]
[Xposed General] egingell:
A post from the dev himself is evidence enough.

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[Xposed General] pavik62:
It was a provocation. joke. ;)
[Xposed General] zelendel:
Nothing to really worry about. There really is no way it will kill rom development. Many Rom devs dont really even like Xposed, most believe that built in mods are more stable and reliable then modules. Alot even wont look at a bug report if Xposed is installed.
[Xposed General] wrongway213:
The concept of mutual exclusivity is definitely misconstrued throughout this thread - this post right here is about as concise and accurate a statement as the entirety of the "debate" can be surmised into, in my opinion.
[Xposed General] egingell:
And that's part of the choice... hence economy... of Android development.

Video sill hasn't killed the radio star.

Sent from: SGS2 - JB 4.1.2 GB27 / SGS4 - JB 4.2.2 MF9
[Xposed General] faslane:
Absolutely. Many devs will tell you to disable xposed first if having issues and they're right to do so because of what closed does and how. Not good or bad and I love it but you're correct. +1
[Xposed General] thedisturbedone:
Im sure it was a joke ppl. Calm down ;)
[Xposed General] doitright:
My view on xposed, is that it is an *excellent* way to implement minor adjustments, and primarily against factory system images. It isn't practical for implementation of massive new features. I.e., for those who don't like the ascending ringtone feature of 5.0, use it to kill that. A few rogue or redundant wakelocks or alarms that need to be stopped, perfect for that. An example of this is that netflix takes a wakelock, even when casting, which means that it is running on the chromecast -- there is literally no reason at all to keep the phone awake during this. There are also a bunch of redundant wakelocks taken by google services, though they seem to have somewhat reigned those in... finally. Now its showing as 15 minutes in 7.5 hours, with 8.5 of those minutes due to NlpCollectorWakeLock and 2.75 of them NlpWakelock. Yeah, I really don't need those at all.
[Xposed General] davexd97:
rovo89 himself says on the xposed thread that it should only be used with AOSP roms. So don't use it, at least don't use any module to modify anything that is an important part of the rom
[Xposed General] faslane:
Exactly, however I've been running it on K TW based roms for ages....works fine.

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[Xposed General] DoctorStrange96:
Its good to see that progress is being made. Being a stock ROM + Xposed user, I guess I'll finally be able to update to Lollipop (yes, its Xposed that holds me back, and Motorola's stock L seems incomplete to me without it). Almost all custom ROMs for the Moto G have some random bug which makes me go back to stock (I place stability over everything else :p), so I won't install neither CM12, nor Slim, or any other custom ROM based on L. Plus, most of the features I can get with a custom ROM, I can also get using Xposed modules (e.g. GravityBox). I know that hardcoded features and tweaks are better, but I just got used to using Xposed modules, and I haven't had any major issues with that.
[Xposed General] robertogl:
I do not remember if there has always been, but in rovo89's profile here on xda now there is a donation URL, a paypal account...
[Xposed General] Martinhdk:
I agree with the moderator regarding the flaming (Zelendel).

But success in development also depends on people using the creations or features developed and therefore I don't see developers without a common user base to test and use the fantastic things made here on xda.

I am just a simple user. Maybe a skilled one towards using and refining the awesome work from developers, but without common users like me I don't believe that xda would be what it is - also business wise.

Just my few cents...

Let's all enjoy xda and hope for Xposed on Lollipoop :)

Now a question: how come tweaks in a ROM is better than same feature in an Xposed module? I personally don't see much instability in Xposed..
[Xposed General] vanisleguy1976:
Just an average user here (so I may get corrected) but my understanding is that basically, a built in tweak is designed to work specifically on the ROM and the device it was built for. Some Xposed mods are basically catch-all fixes that work across the board, but in some cases cause instability because they conflict with some things in the ROM.
[Xposed General] zelendel:
Pretty much this. If it is built into the rom then it is sure to be stable. The issue with xposed is that coding on each and every rom codes the same features differently. This is why devs advise against using xposed except on stock based roms or 100% AOSP roms. (and no that doesnt mean CM, Slim, or any of the other roms based on AOSP)
[Xposed General] Martinhdk:
Thanks guys.

Personally i prefer a very simple rom without bloat and bells and whistles. Only tweaks for speed and battery...the rest is more fun to install afterwards and personalize through Xposed..

Haven't seen many roms like that though.

By the way, looking forward to see the other new framework on Lollipoop. Anyone here tried it or know it's potential?
[Xposed General] vanisleguy1976:
Elpollo is still in early private beta, but I did talk to one of the developers and he told me to look for it 'soon'.

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DEVICE: SM-N900W8

ROM: Temasek's CM12 v7.6

BASEBAND: N900W8VLUCNI1

KERNEL: 3.4.106-f2fs-temasek-cm12-hlte-v0.66+
[Xposed General] FuMMoD:
Everything is coming "soon"
[Xposed General] siealex:
It must be at least partially Xposed compatible, or it will die...
[Xposed General] tyvar1:
http://repo.xposed.info/donate :D
[Xposed General] vanisleguy1976:
That's bold! Lol... Current Xposed modules won't be compatible with the new Xposed either, this is completely brand new, built from the ground up. I'd say El Pollo stands as good a chance as Xposed when it comes to Lollipop framework. El Pollo is being developed by HomerSP and N Russell both of the former development group Villian ROM... They aren't exactly small fish in this pond we call XDA. They both definitely know what they're doing!
[Xposed General] egingell:
Did rovo actually say the L Xposed won't be backward compatible or are you assuming it won't be? I didn't read every post in this thread nor do I follow him around everywhere he goes, so I may have missed it.

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[Xposed General] aeonix_05:
Current modules may work or not. Depends on the hooked methods if the parameters has changed. Or the hooked methods still exists or not. Who knows.
[Xposed General] davexd97:
I've used xposed on some K based roms too on, if you use xposed on roms close to stock you won't have many problems or maybe no problems at all, but if for example you go on a CM rom and use modules like gravitybox or any meant to change things on AOSP, or wanam for TW it's obvious you will have problems, however if you only use xposed with modules that don't mess with the OS you can use it anywhere. People just need to know what you can use and when you can use :good:
[Xposed General] faslane:
Yep. The more stock the ROM is the better. Also why Gravity AND Wanam aren't really recommended to run together. You dont want to use a tweak or mod that has similar settings already, they'll fight each other and cause FCS and whatnot. That's why Xposed it meant for stock but as long as you don't apply things already Implemented in a ROM or is a stock AOSP ROM already its got nothing to really compete with. I run it all the time on TW and KK roms but I've also used it since day 1 so I know what not to do also. Many people get module happy and install every mod they come across and wonder why its crashing. Its 99.999% because they have settings applied that fight each other.
[Xposed General] Sartharon:
Someone should close this thread it is getting useless and offending against others......

P.s thumb this up if you are the same opinion so a mod can see it:)
[Xposed General] sok904:
no he didn't. All he said is that it will be done soon. I dont get i t all together, there were pro and cons kk modules could work. But actually we won't know until rovo will publish it to the community.
[Xposed General] faslane:
Not true whatsoever. Those devs have been around a long time and know what their doing. Once out it'll be another option is all. Like Gravity Box and Wanam (for example but both are mods)/they each have their pros and con's but get the job done. (Yes I know they're both Xposed modules) just an example. But Xposed and ElPollo will both be great just both different but to say one will die is asinine. It'll also be a well received and used Mod.

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Absolutely. They'll both be very well received. None of the devs are new to this whatsoever. +1

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Very doubtful. The old mods would need a total rewrite and since Xposed itself (the engine running it all) is (will be) totally brand new its HIGHLY probable that the old modules won't work whatsoever. Unless they're totally rewritten or rovo has some method to make them work in his new version they'll probably only exist as they are now until their respective authors update them, certainly Rovo wouldn't. He didn't write nor does he maintain the modules just his app "Engine" that runs them. Even a simple update to Google code I side Google Search obfuscated code so bad a few modules I use had to be totally written over to work with a simple Google Launcher update (which is ran heavily and mostly by Google Search) so my guess it modules will all need a total overhaul.

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Why not join in on the discussion? Honestly is looks like you want a like for something offering even less to the discussion than the posts you're claiming look offensive I don't see anything here at all that's offensive to anyone, silly you said that actually. Just people's assumptions but nothing offensive I can see. Just peoples 2c on this topic and some interesting points. Bottom line no one but the authors if Xposed and ElPollo know but my bet is that old modules that work now are only going to be capable as they are now and Xposed 5.0 (or whatever it'll be named) and ElPollo will both require new mods or older mods will need updated but we'll see. Maybe not.

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What makes you say that? Curious...hell it COULD be even better.

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Liking this won't get anymore moderator attention that it may or may not be getting bud. Its just simple discussion. All valid points IMO and everyone's just anxious. No need to be shutdown at all. :)

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Definitely agree 100%.
[Xposed General] Martinhdk:
Interesting to see if they can run together.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
It's interesting to note that there are existing modules being loaded in the screenshot that rovo89 posted. I doubt he totally changed the Xposed API, rather just the method that the framework integrates itself into Android.

It's highly likely that any modules that are targeted specifically at modifying a single app will probably still work. Any module that modifies anything at OS level will probably have to be at least slightly rewritten.

Nobody really knows for sure, but seeing preexisting modules being loaded is at least a small sign that some will work out of the box.

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] robertogl:
This is not true, current modules will work with future Xposed, the API will be the same. Like you can use the same Facebook app on KitKat and on Lollipop...
[Xposed General] netinetinet:
? Where ist the beta??
[Xposed General] robertogl:
He said on Github that the API will be the same...
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Then that confirms what I thought. Thanks. I haven't looked on his GitHub for a few days. :)

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[Xposed General] robertogl:
Yeah, so i think we will have a lot of modules that will work immediately, and others (like Wanam or gravitybox) that will have to be rewritten. No problem with that :D
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
My thoughts exactly. :)

Any chance you can link where he commented on the Xposed API? I had a quick look just now but I'm unable to find it. Thanks.

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[Xposed General] robertogl:
Yes, here: https://github.com/rovo89/XposedBridge/issues/30

(Exactly here https://github.com/rovo89/XposedBridge/issues/30#issuecomment-68513262 )

:)
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Thanks. I didn't look at that issue before, so thanks for pointing it out to me. :)

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[Xposed General] robertogl:
No problem, now we have only to wait ;)
[Xposed General] shmshd12:
Check out this video :D

Xposed for Lollipop Coming Soon!
[Xposed General] Dabidue:
Friday, 13th - you made the day by spreading good news! :good: :highfive: :cool:
[Xposed General] Punchieo:
Hahahahahhaahah I thought this thread would have 5 posts and be lost in the wind but its actually a thing. Lol. THIS just made my week. Thank you all for helping spread the word!
[Xposed General] Puckapunyal:
I am DYING for Xprivacy and Amplify.

DYING.
[Xposed General] Portgas D. Ace:
And exactly that is the reason why I haven't switched to Lollipop yet! :D
[Xposed General] yash.sharma99@yahoo.com:
GRAV BOX!

Hopefully Gravity box brings back custom widgets for Lollipop and the classic AOSP lock.

YAY!:p
[Xposed General] jah2110:
Congratulations! We are waiting a long time for this!!!! Thx
[Xposed General] JohanTW:
just waiting....:)
[Xposed General] Martinhdk:
Maybe donations should start going towards Rovo :)
[Xposed General] Shihan Ruhany:
Dude You are Awesome ... :good::good::good::good::good:
[Xposed General] Adrian312:
I switched like 2 days ago. Really miss these, but I am so devoted to PA team, that I fleshed their ALPHA. so far really happy, but Xposed will make it even better.... Christmas in Feburary\ March :angel:
[Xposed General] Duncan1982:
Revo your a genius and credit where credit is due,

Thanks and patiantly waiting release.
[Xposed General] faslane:
xposed for Lollipop IS coming....its beta but devving nicely.

Xposed team is currently working on a beta for lollipop. Woot! Already a couple early modules being tested. Hang in there peeps. They're rocking it!! It's NOT the same but it's purpose is the same intent, so relax ;)

This is awesome news.

http://www.landofdroid.com/2015/xposed-style-framework-for-lollipop-in-beta-testing/

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And it appears they are working in it..great news!!

http://www.landofdroid.com/2015/xposed-style-framework-for-lollipop-in-beta-testing/
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
I saw this earlier and it isn't the Xposed framework. It's another framework by a different developer. ;)

it looks interesting though.

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[Xposed General] pyler:
Yes, different framework by other developers. Looks very promising. If they even added support for older Android versions, it could be game changer.
[Xposed General] faslane:
basically the same thing...new framework but yeah, different too
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Yes, I know. I was just commenting that it's not Xposed and isn't being worked on by the "Xposed team" or rovo89. :)

Hopefully ElPollo will be able to deliver the same sort of functionality and mods as Xposed has if/when it gets off the ground. Also still hoping rovo is able to get Xposed functional of course.

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] iBART:
argh. this makes me sad. So I'll switch to CM missing xposed. :\
[Xposed General] windows7:
waiting
[Xposed General] djzero86:
just wait...

One more waiting... :D you are the genius [MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION]
[Xposed General] Ecchii:
Hope everything goes to plan, will wait on kk (y)
[Xposed General] faslane:
Yes but lollipop is pretty awesome as it stands now so the trade off is pretty much a 50 50. I think it will of course get better when and if this rules out which is probably more like a win then if but it will probably be a little while yet as development it is still pretty new
[Xposed General] h8Aramex:
I understand that he does not want this to be his main job, but it would be still great if we could support him (money-wise).
[Xposed General] Sartharon:
He said that he will never ever get money for his work..
[Xposed General] h8Aramex:
I saw the post where someone said he does not want to take donations.

It's a shame. People would definitely donate to him, and who cares if he just spends it on whatever he wants.

He deserves some dosh for all this work.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Not everything in life is about money. Some people do things just for the enjoyment of creating something.

rovo said he isn't accepting donations because it would make it feel like a job that he was obligated to work on full time.

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[Xposed General] faslane:
Agreed..and devs get pounded bigtime for fixes and changes so I don't blame him. I wouldn't take moolah too if it wasn't something I didn't want to do full time. +1
[Xposed General] jaibar:
On the other hand, I so much enjoyed his work that I feel bad not having some way to be more grateful than hitting the thanks button and filling his thank-o-meter.

Doesn't have to be money- I would consider something respectful like sending him and wife to dinner at some fancy restaurant, nothing asked in return. Just appreciation for what he did for me.

I'm sure many feel the same, but Rovo refuses and I respect him. I actually don't know the man, but I have a lot of respect for him.