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[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
That's correct. The manufacturers are under no contractual obligation to unlock the bootloader UNLESS they sold it to you as having an unlockable bootloader, like the Dev Eds or Pure Editions.

And there is no law that would force them to. On the contrary, since this is a software issue, you don't even own the code. You merely license it. You can't force the manufacturers to alter their code.

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Well it is different from that because you actually own the governor. With software, you don't own it. You have a license. You are just a licensee and you don't have any legal authority to force the owner of the code to change it to operate the way you want it to.

A better analogy would be encrypted code - just like you have no legal ability to force a company to unencrypt their code, you have no legal ability to force a company to unlock a bootloader.

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Who is they? Whoever they are, they are wrong.

Unless of course the company sold the device to you as having an unlockable bootloader; then they are contractually obligated to unlock them. But even then, as I explained before, if the company refused, your remedy would be a refund of your purchase price. You aren't going to get a judge to order specific performance.

You really don't understand even basic things about the law.
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
Which has nothing to do with some legal issue you are inventing. I'd like all of them to be unlocked, for every device and carrier. However, I am not going to accept that there is some legal reason they must.

I know better.

They can't legally stop you from trying to exploit it to unlock it, but they do not in any way, shape or form have to help you do it.
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
They would be able to legally stop you if it weren't for the specific exemption from the copyright laws that allow us to do this. Here are the laws:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1204

Those laws could be used to stop you if it weren't for the specific exemption that was granted that allows us to legally do it.

This is why I keep going back to the fact that it is software we are talking about. It is governed by copyright law and the DMCA. Here is an article that is discussing it in the context of jailbreaking iPhones (because it is macworld) but the same can be said about bootloader unlocking and rooting an Android.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1152935/jailbreak_exemption.html

Not only do the manufacturers not have to help you try to root/unlock your bootloader, if it weren't for that exemption, they could use the DMCA to stop you from doing it yourself.
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
Yes, but there is precedent in the court where rooting was not considered illegal which should extend to the BL.

Edit: Should have clicked your last link :p
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Right, we are safe for now, but that exemption has to be renewed every 3 years. And oddly, it doesn't extend to tablets. I believe it needs to be renewed again fall of this year since it was last renewed in Oct. 2012.

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/...aking-rights-plus-new-legal-protections-video
[Droid Ultra General] teerout:
first off, I hate myself for furthering this topic..... but about the software part, doesnt that (AOSP) belong to google? motorola doesnt have rights to Lollipop anymore than Lenovo does to Windows 7...?
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
The bootloader is not part of AOSP - it is Motorola's proprietary code. Anyhow, I don't believe the Droids or Moto X run AOSP - Motorola has taken AOSP and created its own version of it, a derivative work as it is called in copyright law.

Google gave Motorola a license to create a derivative work from AOSP. I believe the terms of the license are here:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0

The important part is this:

2. Grant of Copyright License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Work and such Derivative Works in Source or Object form.

So even though AOSP is open source, there still is a license that governs its use.

http://source.android.com/source/licenses.html

And once a phone manufacturer creates a derivative work from AOSP, they own the derivative work.

Also, in addition there are the CDMA binaries on the Verizon devices, and those are likely owned by Verizon. Qualcom may have some ownership of the CDMA binaries since they originate from Qualcom technology AFAIK. Verizon (or Qualcom) gives Motorola a license to use those on the Motorola Verizon devices.
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
Moto isn't using AOSP. They use a private branch from Google. Like every other OEM that has a contract with Google.

Even so, 90% of Android is Apache licensed, so yes they have full rights to the open source parts of it, and they publish the GPL portions.

Not that any of that is bootloader related.
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
What does private branch mean?

But the bootloader is proprietary correct? At least that is how I understand it - bootloader code has nothing to do with the Android OS. It is written by the manufacturers for their hardware specifically and it is not open source.
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
Private branches also include Google's closed source code blobs in addition to the open source parts of Android for syncing to Google apps. That requires an agreement that also allows you to distribute said Google apps.

AOSP is just a public branch of Android, not the main one.

Yes, you are correct about the bootloader. It has nil to do with Android licensing.
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Got it, so Google Apps are proprietary and the phone manufacturers have to include Google's closed source code in order for their phones to be able to run and update Google apps. I know I just paraphrased you but I am trying to make sure I understand it.
[Droid Ultra General] illitero:
I adore the speculation and debate in this thread, but it's a shame it couldn't have been done without ridiculing op. No reasonable cause to react like that in a community built on tiny successes.
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
Ridiculing?

You might want to read a little more carefully. Nobody ridiculed him. We doubted him, and for good reason.

My advice is that you start from the beginning and read every post.
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
You all are a bucncha ignorant idiots lol no offence this thread was to be to help people and it did not work grow up and move on ALL OF YOU.
[Droid Ultra General] BADDINOROX99:
too bad it didn't work :( its cool tho
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
Ironic comment from:

1. Someone who doesn't know how any of this works and has no interest in finding out.

2. Someone who cannot post precise instructions that anyone could follow, despite requests.

3. Someone who would rather blame others than investigate why it (allegedly) works for him.

4. Someone who gets defensive and insulted when NOT ONE PERSON can reproduce his results.

None of your instructions do anything other than trick jquery to show a button, which leads to a 404 because the js needed to switch the form action never fires. I wrote a web app that does it for you. It still does not work.

You ooze ignorance, but I will not stoop to your level and call you an idiot.

You made a claim with vague instructions that couldn't be reproduced, and as soon as people start doubting you, you fire back with insults, even against those who tried to understand why it worked for you and came up with plausible reasons. That oozes immaturity too.

ig·no·rant

ˈiɡnərənt/

lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.

im·ma·ture

ˌiməˈCHo͝or

having or showing emotional or intellectual development appropriate to someone younger.

Yup....
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
There is no need to start attacking people like that. All of us were trying to find out why it worked for you but not us and then see if we could figure out something that would work.
[Droid Ultra General] teerout:
androidreviewguy did say the devices that worked for him are all off contract. anyone else off contract that has attempted to get one over on the moto?
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
All of mine were purchased off contract at full price. I tried OPs Method using 2 Verizon Moto X 2014, 1 retail Verizon OG Moto X and 1 Verizon Dev Ed Moto X. I got the 404 error each time.

I tried adrynalyne's web app with all 4 and got the BUC emailed to me only with the Dev Ed. With the other 3 I received the "Phone Does Not Qualify" error. And as I indicated before, I purchased a BUC for my Verizon retail OG Moto X from a Chinese code seller so I know it has a BUCs because I used it to unlocked the bootloader.

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A poster with a PE Moto X 2014 says the first part of his BUD is not related to his IMEI.

http://xdaforums.com/moto-x-2014/ge...elp-trying-t3006655/post58328461#post58328461

That is different from both of the Verizon Moto X 2014 I looked at - both used the MEID + 00. For my Dev Ed manufactured in September of 2014 it was IMEI + 0 and another poster here said for his Droid Turbo it was IMEI + 0. For my retail Verizon OG Moto X manufactured in January 2014 it was MEID + 00.
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
I should have been more specific I did this with the 2013 moto xs the xt1053 I believe is which ones they were and the droid ultra

Sent from my CM12 DROID Ultra
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
The Moto X XT1053 (T-MO) is part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock Program. https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215. So that is no surprise. Nothing special there.

If it worked with the Moto X 2013 XT1058 (ATT) or Moto X 2013 XT1060 (VZW) then I would be more impressed.

FWIW, both VZW Moto X 2013 and Moto Droid Ultra are supported by the Sunshine Method: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...on-moto-g-more-motorola-devices-to-come-soon/, http://theroot.ninja/, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2792487
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Only if you are on 4.4.3 or below. Sunshine can't unlock a Motorola Bootloader from 4.4.4 on and jcase says he has no plans to even try :(

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As was pointed out above, the XT1053 can be unlocked using the website as normal. The Verizon XT1060 non-Dev Ed cannot nor can the ATT XT1058.
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Yeah I see that now about Sunshine, thank you for pointing that out.

So since the TMO Moto X 2013 is unlockable through motorola and you can use sunshine for the ultra on 4.4.3, this thread was, um, pointless?
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
I used Motorola's website for both as you can see from the earlier screen shots the code was sent FROM Motorola for the ultra.. So I did not think it was pointless but apparently I'm the only one that can get it to work even though cm has started rolling out nightlies for the droid ultra due to fact that the bootloader can now be unlocked..
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
I know not to take any of these customer service guys words for anything, but I just got through with an online chat. Found it interesting.

KELVIN: Hi, my name is KELVIN. How may I help you?

KELVIN: Good morning, how are you doing today?

How can I help you ?

Brett: hi kelvin

Brett: i have a question for you

KELVIN: okay

Brett: i noticed your list of devices with unlockable bootloaders

Brett: does the droid ultra qualify as a device that can have its bootloader unlocked

KELVIN: I would be happy to help. Can you please confirm your email address and phone number please?

Brett: ************

Brett: ***************

KELVIN: Thank you

KELVIN: Well if you unlock it

KELVIN: You will lose any warranty with us

Brett: that i understand

KELVIN: But yes you can do it

Brett: it is a supported device which allows for bootloader unlocking?

KELVIN: Yes

Brett: i did not see it listed on the website

Brett: can you please share a link

KELVIN: Here you have the steps

KELVIN: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a

KELVIN: For security reason

KELVIN: That is all I can give you

KELVIN: For you to do it

Brett: thank you hold on

Brett: i clicked the link and then redirected to the site: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215

Brett: and do not see it on the list

Brett: are you sure it is supported?

KELVIN: Yes

KELVIN: It is

Brett: why do i not see it?

Brett: i would like to purchase the device, but i need to make sure it is supported. if you can direct me to a document which lists it i would feel better

Brett: kelvin?

KELVIN: I am not sure

KELVIN: why

Brett: what about the moto x 2nd generation on verizon?

KELVIN: This is our model

KELVIN: http://www.motorola.com/us/Motorola-Developers/motorola-developers.html

Brett: ok thank you.

KELVIN: You are welcome

KELVIN: Is there anything else I can help you with ?

Brett: you answered all

Brett: thanks

Brett: please have them update the unlocking page then to reflect the ultra

KELVIN: Okay

KELVIN: Thank you for contacting Motorola! Take care and enjoy the rest of your day

Needless to say, I am still pesimistic over the ultra being on the list.
[Droid Ultra General] BladeRunner:
I suspect that at that level of customer service they only look at the model number of the Ultra xt1080, and cross reference it with a list of unlockable devices and don't even bother looking at the suffix, "DE"
[Droid Ultra General] adrynalyne:
This is a case where the cause was assumed from the result.

In other words, this isn't the reason CM Nightlies started back up.
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
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Were you able to get it to work for anyone who sent you their bootloader unlock data from here?

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If someone didn't want to pay the $25 to use Sunshine maybe. Is the Droid Ultra still on 4.4.3? Was the 4.4.4 upgrade just for the Moto X?
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
I've done only a few I have a busy schedule till the weekend but the ones I have tried do not work no but I have only done a few as for me the ultras that I did were on 4.4.4
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Sounds like what happened is that there were a batch of Ultras whose BUCs got into the database online. I suspect you could have just followed the instructions on the site and they would have returned a bootloader unlock code.

Could you please test that theory for me by typing your bootloader unlock data into adrynalyne's web app? If his web app results in Motorola emailing you a BUC, then we will know for sure that is what happened.

http://adryntesting.x10host.com/
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
I can do that tomorrow .
[Droid Ultra General] swigityswoogty:
404 error please help unlock bootloader

i keep getting the 404 error

My code with the seven zeros

9900045305174600#5441343331303653544100000000000000000000#CEBFE5EBA0B3C41FC9E7A4529CCB4F4E2CFCB0A8#1ED09C040C0001000000000000000000

My email tuckerpadgett32@gmail.com
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Everyone is getting that error.

You can try it here - just take out all of the spaces:

http://adryntesting.x10host.com/
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
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[Droid Ultra General] nmil1484:
Delete
[Droid Ultra General] mschumacher69:
Lol a moto support rep linked to ur website [MENTION=1165307]KidJoe[/MENTION]!
[Droid Ultra General] munkle:
I could have told you all months ago this doesn't work. I tried this exact method 6 months ago trying to trick it into giving me a code, figuring out what the js did and then making the url.

Op got lucky, something we all won't get. I ended up just buying a note 4 developer edition since it seems the turbo isn't getting one.

Edit: Wow even longer ago, I tried this back in april according to my notes in icloud.
[Droid Ultra General] orangekid:
I am just going to remind everyone here that we need to keep things civil and not resort to petty name calling. The tension seems to have died out so I think we're good, but let's keep the forum rules in mind when posting.

Also, if someone doubts the legitimacy of your claim and is pointing this out with actual knowledge and evidence, you can either have a battle of wits or concede and move on, but we don't tolerate puerile name calling and personal attacks because you disagree with someone's posts.

When you post something here you open yourself up for scrutiny. Such is life. Please deal with it maturely.

Thanks, and have a wonderful Thursday. :highfive:
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Did you ever try it?
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Not sure if this helps: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=...abtest=19&rn=960509c07f0127d22351bf254cdad799

Anyone willing to try? Does not specify which moto x. Thinking 2013

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I tried to register on taobao but i am unable to receive the verification code for registration via text. Can someone reach out to the seller who is registered for taobao and confirm whether the 1st gen or 2nd gen x or both is supported
[Droid Ultra General] siddhant_sn:
Unlocked bootloder

9900045338563600#54413632373035

53545000000000000000000000#59C5

BDE76F3C5AEB765A8902414DB7D2FCF

F4137#14A3A9040C0001000000000000000000

PLZ SEND ME UNLOCK CODE MY EMAIL ID IS siddhant_sn@yahoo.co.in
[Droid Ultra General] mschumacher69:
Dude, u seem to be indian which means u most likely have the indian variant which is unlockable via the moto website for free...
[Droid Ultra General] mdanishas:
Droid ultra xt1080

9900049618553000#5441363237304732503200585431303830000000#97863BD71AB7BED3ABC664EEFC2A27E3DC6928B5#09FD95040C0001000000000000000000

PLZ SEND ME UNLOCK CODE MY EMAIL ID IS mdanishas@hotmail.com
[Droid Ultra General] siddhant_sn:
Unlocked bootloder

sir i have verizon variant
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Out of curiosity, who are these directed towards?
[Droid Ultra General] BladeRunner:
the OP I would imagine.
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Well I wish them luck then. Still curious about the bootloader unlock by the chinese poster on taobao.
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
I can't get it to send me the code to register all I get is a text to call taobao has anyone else tried?
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
This is exactly the same experience I have had. I am pretty sure the Moto X that is referred to is the 2013 model and not the 2014, but it would be nice to have confirmation. I am unable to see when the listing was created - to see whether it is the old post or a more recent one.
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
Well I got it to let me register now I am trying to add my shipping address but it hangs from phone so will try from PC later. I know the link for the old one chinese middle man has been closed
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Great! How did you get it to let you register? Did you use a US phone number? If so, what was your process?

There are two comments, one from August of 2014 and one from September 2014. Also, on the transaction record tab there are three from this year: 1-20-2015, 1-22-2015 and 1-26-2015
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
I had to use a global site link then registered from it

http://www.taobao.com/market/global/index_new.php

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Yes use chrome so it will translate then click on register for free then use the pull downs to enter your country code ( tip I let it ask me to translate the page every time because if you click the box for translate by default you well "l" got stuck in places) then enter your phone number

Click submit then you should get your code the you have to add a shipping address that is where I am now.

Update: I also had to add my address from that link
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
I have done process before but all i get is a text message saying to call taobao.
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
I was too tell I used that link
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
what?
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
I still cannot register even using my cell phone. Instead I receive a text message telling me to call them on an overseas number.

Based on your post and the picture you attached did you in fact go through an order this item?
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
No I am stuck at the chinese paypal part I am going to try it from my PC in the morning ... I was getting those text to call as well but when I used that link I gat a text with the code and one to call the number
[Droid Ultra General] misentropy:
I just picked up an XT1080 off fleabay for a decent price.

Unfortunately it's completely up to date. I'm up the creek without a paddle at the moment.

I discovered a proxy for taobao, and they accept paypal!

yoybuy.com - I signed up and was able to avoid dealing with taobao's lack of international market support / foresight.

Have my fingers crossed. Don't want to regret not picking up a dev edition Droid X instead...

Edit: $45.75 USD total.
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
Could you share the link please
[Droid Ultra General] misentropy:
Unfortunately since this is a new account I can't directly link, but I supplied the URL in my previous post. YoyBuy.com
[Droid Ultra General] kalel420:
Thanks I found a different agent as well. Let us know if you get a code I am going to try it as well but have to wait a few days till I get some funds.
[Droid Ultra General] misentropy:
Ended up costing $6.50 more (fees) - would have expected this charge to have been calculated in the total yesterday.

:fingers-crossed:
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Which device do you guys have?
[Droid Ultra General] misentropy:
XT1080 Non-Dev, 6/14/14 Assy. Date
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
What version of Android are you running?
[Droid Ultra General] misentropy:
It arrived running 4.4.4 23.3.24 SU5-24, BL Locked and unrooted.
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Have you tried a TaoBao purchasing agent?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buying-Purc...206?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c47f34f6e
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
[MENTION=5983610]JulesJam[/MENTION] No, but thank you for the information. I was kind of hoping the 2014 X was eligible
[Droid Ultra General] JulesJam:
Me too but I can't find my TaoBao log info to try to ask. You can see if the TB purchasing agent can find out by contacting them through ebay.
[Droid Ultra General] misentropy:
Just got some bad news from YoyBuy.

"sorry dear, we can't contact with seller, is too risk, so refund it, you can change other shop,thanks dear."

Just got refunded.

So I'm back to square one...

On that note, I'm returning my XT1080M and buying a dev edition XT1060. Sucks, really wanted to keep this phone. :(
[Droid Ultra General] AYIV:
Hi everyone!

I'm new in this fastboot\adb\etc. world, could you please write small step by step instructions for getting this big code also?

I have no idea how to get this device Id %)

Thanks for your help :)
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
Follow the instructions on this link on your computer https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a
[Droid Ultra General] Skeetch79:
Google "motorola bootloader unlock" . This will refer you to Motorola's website with step-by-step instructions
[Droid Ultra General] AYIV:
Skeetch79, androidreviewguy, aha thx guys :)
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
No problem if you have any issues pm me
[Droid Ultra General] AYIV:
yup, no luck for me too.

404 Page Not Found

The page 'standalone/bootloader/.php' was not found.

number was w\o any spaces or other symbols :(
[Droid Ultra General] androidreviewguy:
I'm sorry