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[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
[MENTION=575209]bambapin[/MENTION] apparently forgot to post that v 2.1.10ga620 has been released via the Google Play Store.

What's new?

★ Added Arabic translation (general)

★ Optional Pull to refresh app list (drawer/sidebar)

★ Zoom improved (sidebar)

★ Stability improved (general)

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★ Sidebar search button can be disabled: swipe up from bottom to enter search mode (sidebar)

★ Sidebar settings reorganized (sidebar)

★ New internal cache management (drawer/sidebar)

★ Stats applied asynchronously on order by usage (drawer/sidebar)

★ Dial menu on shortcuts: can now be moved between folders (folders)
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
You are right [MENTION=4357744]Trasd[/MENTION], i'm so focused on the new 2.2 development branch that i forgot to post the release.

Indeed i take this opportunity to announce that since yesterday, you can contribute to translate Jina through this url:

https://www.localize.im/projects/v7
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New build v. 2.1.11 b621

Added direct access Help Translate menu entry (sidebar/drawer)

Fixed wrong circle menu behavior (folders)

This is still a fix for the 2.1 branch.

The 2.2 with the new sidebar "secret feature" :cool: and the new folders views is still work in progress and not stable enough to release a beta but it will not take much longer.

I'm introducing a new "User Folder" type, totally user managed and unlinked from the tags or from the other live folders.

That means that they will start empty and you will be able to manually add any app, shortcut or classical live folder inside it.

I'm thinking about whether it is appropriate or not, to let users add shortcuts or nested folders only inside this new folde type.

Live Folders (tags and others) will be managed automatically by Jina and will have all of Jina sorting criteria, while User Folders (which may contain apps, shortcuts and live sub-folders) will be sort manually only and will be filled with elements manually chosen by the user.

User Folders will be navigable also from the Drawer and will be somehow related to the new sidebar "secret feature" .

What do you think guys?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Is anybody experiencing a problem with the circle menu in the folders the second time you long press an app without closing the folder?

[MENTION=628601]bigchrizzieboy[/MENTION] if i remember you use folders very much, did you notice something strange?
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
Nothing Strange :)

Hi again, nothing strange here; created a YouTube movie, so you can see it.

(i can simply create more movies / screenshots), just ask here or a P.M. :):

[YOUTUBE]quqkujIjWHc[/YOUTUBE]​

About opening folders; if you "simply" add shortcut support inside drawer, sidebar, then it's possible to open folders ,

I'm on Android 7.0 Nougat custom Rom, even then your app runs smooth.

Also I'll start translating your amazing app to DUTCH (my native language) :good:

[IMG="Dutch Flag"]http://www.e-bikeland.nl/assets/Uploads/icon-flag-nl.jpg[/IMG]

maybe an idea to set the translate project URL on the first posts.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Thank you very much!

I'll add immediately the translate url to the opening post.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Too much changes for the new release, better to make an intermediate check...

The attached apk can be installed next to the current jina version and will stop working in few days.

It is full of bugs and lot of jina functions are broken but i'd like your feedback on the new user folders logic and the new folders ui.

Just install as a normal app, choose the theme, start the drawer (not the sidebar), wait for the end of the app analysis and try to create/populate/move/sort/zoom/edit some folders.

p.s.

In this version folders work only inside the drawer, don't try to create any kind of dekstop folder/shortcut because they will not work.

The master shortcut intents menu was removed because saved shortcuts are added automatically to the chooser as favourites shortcuts.

Also the Jina Home shortcuts menu is not present anymore because desktop shortcuts will be created only starting directly from the launcher
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
Max, I like the new folder interface. I also like standardizing the method of adding a shortcut to the desktop. The one thing I don't like is the new "floating" button menu flyout, but since that's Google, it would be useless to blame that on you! LOL.

Looking good!
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
alternative proposals to the new floating button, and also to the circle menu are very welcome ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
Sorry Max, I miss the old, simple menus-at-the-top system. Google is constantly (and too quickly) changing things. I don't have any suggestions, though, except to say just keep it as simple as you can and don't worry about Google suggested UI conventions, unless they fit in with your app ideas because, after all, they'll be different next week anyhow!

You've done great with JINA as it is - trust your instincts.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Homesick! :D
[Android Apps and Games] xs400:
Freeze / UnFreeze apps from Jina

I love this app and it is growing features so fast...

Another feature request:

How about Freeze / UnFreeze in Jina Drawer for rooted users?

I'm constantly experimenting with new apps and I'd like to do this right from the drawer (Please leave the icon with blue X for frozen apps, so it'll be easy to un-freeze).

Jina is getting so complicated, I jump to Faster Drawer if I simply want to start an app.

Another suggestion (I think I sent this one to you earlier, Max)

The app drawer is getting very complicated and cluttered with features - we want the features too :) so I suggest tabbed pages - One page with clean A-Z sorting, next tab with ...

Thanks and keep up the good work!!

Mohan
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Thank you Mohan,

i'll add you suggestions to my todo list.
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
I agree with [MENTION=3577528]xs400[/MENTION] about the freeze\unfreeze, but not about the drawer being too complicated! But, if it is getting confusing for some, maybe hiding the options a little better? Make them convenient still, but put most of the options in menus.
[Android Apps and Games] xs400:
The key to usability is to have the icons appear in a predictable place, some reserved slots in each group (say alphabetical or category) will help with this. That way even if apps are removed and reinstalled, they can be put back into the old slot.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Not sure to fully understand this point Mohan, are you talking about a different way to manage favourites apps?

Currently apps tagged as favourites are always kept on top of the lists except when you are sorting by name and they are subject to the current filter.

You are suggesting to split the app list to create a sort of favourites section always shown regardless of the current view/filter?
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
As Max knows, I've recently (and finally) rooted my main tablet. After fighting boot loops and other problems, I ended up resetting my device multiple times and not using my backups.

Now, my desktop looks exactly the same way it has since I first set it up, which looks exactly like my previous (now secondary) tablet! Why? Like [MENTION=3577528]xs400[/MENTION] said, predictability (as in muscle memory) is a powerful and wonderful thing!

But, to me, with an app drawer, I've always considered it dynamic. The app drawer is the place I go to only when everything else fails. I use folders on my desktop with manual sort so I know where all my icons are, even if I remove and reinstalled them.

That's my biggest complaint with JINA - I cannot manually sort the sidebar (yet), so I understand what [MENTION=3577528]xs400[/MENTION] is talking about. Unfortunately, I don't have any suggestion on how to apply this concept to the app drawer, but Max, I hope this helps with understanding (if I understood, myself).

Maybe a favorites bar at the top would be the way to go, that or tabs....
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Ok i think there are differents needs that require different solutions:

there is the need to always have on hand what is used in very often, there is the need to have at hand the tools that allow you to quickly find the apps you use less often and there is the need to do not get lost among the dozens of Jina settings.

Settings jungle apart :) Jina has tools that should have allow to approach (a little) to these needs but not completely and, in one way or another, they end up being used in a forced manner.

I believe that the main cause is the fact that, until now, Jina has always tried to lead the organization of the app, probably because she imagined a lazy user who was content to have the app automatically cataloged by google or you content with automatic sorting criteria.

It seems clear that these features, though useful, should be considered as support functions and not as main functions.

I hope the new user folders are a first step in this direction. I'm working on them a lot more than expected because I realized that they may become the magic bricks that allows Jina to become more user centric, both in the drawer, in the sidebar and in the classic desktop folders.
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
Yes. :good:
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
First public alpha v. 3.0

Yep not v.2.2, so much changes to deserve a new major version :cowboy:

No changelog but only a HUGE WARNINGS LIST.

It is a very early preview so:

full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

this release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it

existing folders and/or desktop shortcuts could be messed up

jina backups v2.x are no more compatible

This version is not stable but i would like to have a feeback on the main new features: folders/desktop folders/favorites bar... (no sidebar news yet but very soon)

p.s. please make a backup first and try to install over your existing ga version because i also need feedback on the db upgrade process :angel:
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
Can't play much with it Right now (i'm ill) but will comment it soon.

Anything special i need to test?

Great you created the "list view" in folder / tags!
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
First heal! :)

Well about bugs, i think that what could be most fragile in this build is the old tags/folders/desktop shortcuts conversion.

The new db structure is totally different and the conversion logic should work but it is very user data dependent and something could go wrong...

About usability: the new folders philosophy (no more tags centrics) and the favourites bar in the drawer (the new sidebar will have something similar but it is not yet ready).

This build brings also your Dutch translation and a new option to force english as Jina language (i think it can be useful while a new translation is in progress)
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Second public alpha v. 3.0

full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

Finally the the announced sidebar surprise :)

A second sidebar, much lighter and which can be activated together with the old sidebar (by a separate handler).

Lot of changes also in the old sidebar:

the sidebar service can be started independently of the activation of any of the sidebar handlers

the activation handler are now always visibiles

blacklisting now requires the accessibility service

the handler position is dynamic: long press and drag around

... something else for sure but right now i don't remember :)

The new sidebar has 3 sections at the present... i'm very open to suggestions for content change :):

a) jina favourites (shared with the drawer)

b) recents apps

c) fixed shortcuts to launch the full sidebar and the drawer

As in the drawer, if you put a folder in the favourites bar you can later navigate inside it.

The second sidebar will be moved to a separate plugin in the market (a sort of unlocker but free as jina)

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Tons of bugs! :cowboy:
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New public alpha v. 3.0

new slim sidebar settings

items removal now works as expected

new experimental context menu in the folders screen (drawer and desktop ) as circle menu replacement

new folders and sidebar animations

lot of bugs fixed

full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Still tons of bugs :o
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
Hey Max, I'm back, sort of. I'll still be a bit busy with the holidays and all, but I should have more time now.

I'll run the new one for a bit and let you know!
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Hi Troy! I was starting to get worried :D

Please remember that if something goes wrong during the update you will loose all your jina desktop folders, so give it a try only when you have enough spare time, there is no rush ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
Max, I'm already backed up with Titanium and 3C (plus an out-of-directory JINA for manual recovery). Good to go!

Thanks for the concern....
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Another public alpha v. 3.0

experimental sidebar "extended" notification on MM (quick access app shortcuts can be added to the notification)

distinct sidebar and drawer themes

fixed circle menu behavior in the drawer

again lot of bugs fixed

As usual: full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Still tons of bugs :o
[Android Apps and Games] sebarkh:
Hi Max, Thanks for sending info about this alpha on my email.

Sebastian

Let's check this baby out :)
[Android Apps and Games] sebarkh:
This is the awesome idea, but there are several problems on Android 7.

As you can see in the image it doesn't look good when the notification bar is expanded: a great X under the icon?

When the notification bar is collapsed you can't see the the icons at all.

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[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Thank you Sebastian!

Well i must confess that the ugly X below the icons are not the fault of Android 7 :o

I have not yet found a smart way to delete or replace them once inserted, because it is not possibile to handle the long press in the notification area.... any idea is very welcome guys!
[Android Apps and Games] sebarkh:
Ok. I'm sure you can handle it. First of all, I think you should get rid of this X.

But there will be much more job to be done: a separate menu in settings to manage the icons (add, sort, remove). I would also remove this Eye icon. And for Android 7 I would use these quick tasks in the notification bar so show hide the launch bar. Like on the pic.

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[Android Apps and Games] Trasd:
Max,

I'm jealous I didn't get an email notification of the new version.... ?

I haven't messed with it a whole lot yet, but I wanted to report the installation went fine and it picked up most of my previous setting and all of my folder and tag settings.

This was JinaFS_3.0.0b634.1611271955. I'm going to install JinaFS_3.0.0b635.1611301508 as soon as I'm done with this message.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
LOL :D don't be jealous Troy, i emailed Sebastian because the notification area usage was his idea ;)
[Android Apps and Games] sebarkh:
Jealousy ...wow. so XDA'ers are human after all! Good to know;)

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[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Half humans and half droids but completely happy!

Let's see if this new version will be able to spoil or improve the good mood :fingers-crossed:

fixed crash when the sidebar handlers were moved to the right (sorry guys i forgot to include a modified layout...)

fixed wrong handlers positioning on orientation change

fixed manual sorting in apps folders

removed ugly X in the notification area and added a (very simple) management screen in the sidebar settings

notifications area icons should be shown also when notification is not expanded (can you please check also the background color on nougat Sebastian?)

other bugs fixed but the stability is still far away

p.s. [MENTION=628601]bigchrizzieboy[/MENTION] how are you? long time we don't read you here, hope you feel better!
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
I'm better but busy in private life, will continue translating soon.

Thanks for asking and offcourse for developing :D
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
:good: don't worry for the translation, i'm keeping adding new phrases to jina, there is no rush
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New alpha v. 3.0

various bugs fixed (folders context menu, circle menu, new sidebar icons size, icons, shortcuts and so on)

added automatic app db refresh after a full stop (doze or manual force close)

new option to disable folders animation

As usual: full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Still tons of bugs :o
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New alpha v. 3.0

new optional automatic app db refresh after a full stop (doze or manual force close)

improved manual app db refresh

new option to disable folders animation

various bugs fixed (folders context menu, circle menu, new sidebar icons size, icons, shortcuts and so on)

As usual: full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Still tons of bugs :o
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
great work

Before i could complain about shortcuts to Jina folders not working correctly it was fixed :good:

Great update, also I've completed the translation for the DUTCH version.

I'll keep an eye out while playing with your app to improve / update the translation.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Didn't include the updated translations files in this version :o i'll post a new one with the latest translation in the afternoon.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New alpha v. 3.0 b643

updated Dutch, French and Arabic translations

fixed folders menu color background

....

new optional automatic app db refresh after a full stop (doze or manual force close)

improved manual app db refresh

new option to disable folders animation

various bugs fixed (folders context menu, circle menu, new sidebar icons size, icons, shortcuts and so on)

As usual: full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Still tons of bugs :o
[Android Apps and Games] ew:
Do you have any plans to add the capability to backup applications and their data?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Don't know... when I started v2 i planned to include a full section dedicated to backup apks and data but now i'm not so sure it's still a good idea.

I'm afraid that more and more apps will exploit the ability to backup their data directly into the google account and, for users who have more sophisticated needs, there are already many apps that cover this subject very well.

Let's think together to see if it can be worth it or not
[Android Apps and Games] ew:
Thank you for being so responsive. I (for one) think it would be a good idea. The backup to the google account doesn't give much flexibility over the version and history. I know that there are dedicated apps just for backup, but nothing that included the app/folder capability. For example, if I wanted to have a backup of games (with scores) that I delete from my device, but would like to restore one of them occasionally, it is good to have the ability to browse to the backup of the games folder. That is just my two cents and opinion of how this functionality is useful.

I appreciate your dedication to the app and its users. Sorry for not having expressed that previously.
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
my opinion

Just use Titanium Backup or antoher app for this, no need to add something like this.

You can search inside Titanium Backup for "your game" that you want to restore and leave te rest.

Also you can re-install the game and only restore DATA (only your high-score or something).

The Great Jina App Drawer is in my opinion an app to sort your apps/shortcuts and acces them from anywhere.
[Android Apps and Games] ew:
Thank you for your response. I actually have Titanium Backup and use it on a regular basis. I find it great to backup my active apps.

However, for me, I find it less useful to use Titanium as an "archive" mechanism for a number of reasons. I want my archives to be stored in a separate location. I keep multiple iteration of backups, don't need that for archives. Those are my top reasons.

Anyway - different people have different styles for software use. For me, it would be helpful if JINA was able to do backups. That is why I was interested if that would be under consideration as a future enhancement.
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
Hi, been playing with folders (that i use much).

Jina crashes a lott when trying to add shortcut to a folder.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
This version should fix the crashes but i'm not sure it will not introduce some weird behavior in the shortcuts icons. Can you please check?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New alpha v. 3.0 b645

improved icon and color choosers (folders and tags in drawer)

new "experiments" section (drawer settings)

bug fixing (general)

As usual: full backup (not jina one) strongly recommended

This release CANNOT be installed next to the current ga version but will replace it.

Jina backups v2.x are no more compatible.

Still tons of bugs :o
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Just a question to decide how to go ahead guys, do you prefer the old circle menu or the new toolbar as a context menu? Or would you like something else?
[Android Apps and Games] mfitm:
Awesome app!

I am especially fond of the sidebar. It is second to none!

Please consider publishing a paid version of JINA on appstore so its possible to support the development :highfive:

Thanks for a great app!
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Welcome and thank you very much!

If you have ideas for future developments or other feedbacks, as always they are well appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] bigchrizzieboy:
Folders & shortcut work great again (No More crashing).

Your question regarding the menu:

Circle menu is quick for me and i like it. But I think it can be confusing for "New users".
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
New alpha v. 3.0 b646

new "system tools" menu entry (drawer, sidebars, folders)

new "disable app" function in app details more. works only for rooted devices (general)

new google libraries (general)

bug fixing (general)

Did you notice an abnormal battery drain with the latest versions guys?
[Android Apps and Games] daniello8:
Probably my new rom .. not sure .. after the display turns off I still see the hidden files. And another thing I noticed: when I do the long press on the letter bar (to get the second ones) .. the new popup menu gets in the way. Cheers :)
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
v2 or v3?
[Android Apps and Games] daniello8:
v2
[Android Apps and Games] Olivia750:
Nice

Very nice sharing . thank you so much for sharing
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Welcome Olivia
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Ok found the problems. It is not your new rom, it's a double bug which afflicts the v3 also :o

These builds should fix v2 and v3.
[Android Apps and Games] daniello8:
Thanks .. what do you suggest use v3 or stick with v2?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Hard to say Daniel, there are several users, me included of course :) on V3 for daily use, but it still an alpha with lot of work to do.

The tricky phase during the update, is the folder's data structure conversion: if something goes wrong you may need to manually re-create the folders on your desktop, that's why i recommend a backup.