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[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
The option name is "Letterbar always on", in the Drawer's Settings view, you find a screenshot attached.

About the folders, here https://youtu.be/3YhA257p7tE you can see the behavior on my phone with 500+ apps in the folder, I would like to compare it with yours to better understand.

Can you record a video please?
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
[MENTION=575209]bambapin[/MENTION] first, love the app, it's exactly what I was looking for all day...

Second, I am having a few buggy issues. Primary feature I'll be using it for is the side drawer and the hotspot is giving me grief. It has a tendency to turn on when I'm using an app and then off when I go back to home, which is the opposite of what I want. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Also while scrolling through settings menus in the app, tapping on something to select often just zips back to home screen instead. Sometimes I have to go back in and try again 3 or 4 times, but I can't find a pattern.

2 suggestions... Unless I'm missing something, the transparency slider will not make the hotspot completely invisible...? I would like that feature. And last, have you thought about splitting off just the side bar feature as a separate app? That's really all I want and this is the only app other than action launcher, which I hate, that has one, as far as I've seen. Just food for thought.

Thanks brother, keep up the good work, you're a hero!

Edit: figured out the transparency slider, and I may have figured out what keeps causing my hotspot to disappear (not visibly, the way I want it to, but functionally it seems to become inactive) I suspect the culprit is back to exit button, but really this Drew my attention just something more fundamental... It would help a ton if you pick me up your settings menus. They're kind of all over the place oh, lots of different menus have very similar names, some could maybe be combined. I know that you have a lot of settings an organization has got to be a pain, but I found out some of my primary issues resulted from certain settings being listed twice in different places, so toggling them off doesn't do anything if they are still on in the other location. Makes it pretty difficult up customize.

Still though... Great app...
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Hi,

from what you said it seems to me that there is something that is not working well, regardless (or in addition) of the settings.

For example if the app returns to the home while changing a setting it may have crashed: there are settings that require restarting the app but they should warn you.

The hotspot problem is also strange and could (it is only a possibility) also be connected to the battery optimizer: there are some ROMs that by default kill apps in the background when you press Home.

Which phone do you have?

I suggest you start over with a clean installation using the version of JINA that you find on XDA Labs: https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.mobeedom.android.jinaFS, activate only the Sidebar hotspot without changing any other settings, and check the behavior.

If it works and you don't notice strange behavior, then we can try together (you can send me a PM or here if you prefer) to change the other settings you need one by one.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
I apologize for the delay in my reply...i was in the process of doing as you requested when my sim card randomly stopped working, which led to me doing a factory reset, which worked but would not allow me to restore my data partition for some reason, which led me down a the deepest android rabbit hole i've been down to date. Bricked the mother effing ess out of my brand new oneplus 7 pro, and everything I tried to do would almost work, but then ultimately make things worse, and about 2 days of slow decline later I ended up having to rebuild the whole system from the bottom up. At one point I couldn't get to the bootloader...and at several points i couldn't get to my recovery...actually for about 20 minutes i couldn't even get the HW buttons to do anything, it was just a black unresponsive screen....i don't even remember how i fixed that one! My boot partition got corrupted....my system partition got straight up erased....I caught errors i didn't even know a phone could throw, found a crazy black screen of death called qualcomm crashdump mode, which sucked, and i've now seen every variety of bootloop under the sun...wrapping up, in the end i had to literally flash every single partition from the bootloader one at a time, then reflash the stock ROM and start from scratch. Now, don't get me wrong, I am EXTREMELY grateful to have turned my $500 brick back into a phone fairy godmother style, but I also spent the last week customizing this damn thing, at least 8 hours a day i'd say (quarantined for coronavirus, so wtf else is there to do?) and now every bit of that tweaking has vanished into the ether :crying::crying::crying:

tl:dr...

I haven't replied to your post until now because I have been unable to fully implement the experiment you advised, but I didn't want you to think it went unseen or unappreciated. thank you very much for taking the time to consider my issues and suggestions and offer a thoughtful reply, and even more for your willingness to actively troubleshoot any persisting problems I end up with. I always think it's really cool to be in active communication with the developers of apps I love, so that was a positive experience for me, and i wanted you to know i really appreciate it. now that i have regained full functionality, i'm going to start trying to remember all the changes i wanted to keep or was still testing and reapply them, and this one is high on the list, so i'm going to start this process later today and I will be in touch with some results, whatever they may be. thank you again for your time, and for your contributions to the android power user community, this precarious world that is SO MUCH FUN to play in but can really, really ruin your day :eek:...it's you devs who enable tinkers like me to enjoy our devices so gall durn much, and also to resurrect them when we're stupid and turn them into garbage :highfive: be easy, good sir...talk to you soon!
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
ok after some more targeted testing i have some better, more precise data for you...

For the most part, the app hotspot vanishing randomly seems to have been user error, probably due to the double back to force quit setting being listed twice. leaving that setting off seems to have solved the issue EXCEPT that the hotspot definitely does disappear consistently when the screen orientation is changed...rotate to landscape once and it will be gone, regardless of settings. most everything else, at least in the settings i checked slowly and incrementally, seems to be working as intended, except for one minor and very odd bug when i first moved the sidebar to the right side. when i first moved it, i moved the hotspot with it, for continuity of course, and but i couldn't get it to open by swiping right to left...edge to center...even though that's the direction the sidebar would pull out. to open it i had to move the hotspot back to the left side and open it like the default, swiping left to right, but the bar still opened right to left...it was really disorienting, and then when i moved the sidebar back to the left, it still kept opening from the right side until i force closed the app, at which point it restarted and worked normally from there.

i think all of my other issues must have been caused by conflicting settings that a more focused configuration seems to have avoided, but i do still suggest you streamline them to make them simpler....i'm happy to help you test any this further if you like, just contact me. cheers!

edit: one thing i forgot...when the search keyboard is open and you close the side bar, opening the sidebar again still has the keyboard open....i don't enable the search on start feature beacuse i don't really use it, so having to close the keyboard manually gets aggravating if i accidentally open it. consider making the keyboard stay closed with new instances of the drawer.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Oh my God, one of my nightmares in this quarantine period is that my pc, phone or internet connection could suddenly break, luckily you managed to recover your phone! Where are you from?

To force the keyboard closed on the sidebar, you can use the "Clear previous search on start" option otherwise the Sidebar will try to rember the last state.

As for screen rotation, did you notice if when the hotspots disappear also disappears the persistent notification?
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
I am pretty certain the clear previous search was checked, but I will take another look. And for the other question, the persistent notification stayed where it belonged, only the hotspot disappeared, although if I remember correctly, pausing the overlay service and then restarting in the notification pull down may have brought it back, but only after going back into portrait mode first.

Im from USA... Tennessee originally, Texas now... Quarantined for a month for Covid 19, so plenty of time to fiddle...I can't tell you the slow panic I felt, because it didn't happen all at once... It was like this slow creeping sense that I had probably better be careful they eventually grew overwhelming knot of Dread over the course of about 24 hours as I systematically ruined each partition the phone for one by one each one ? priceless in retrospect, but horrifying at the time

Edit, I now cannot find the clear search option, maybe you can remind me how to navigate to it ?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
I understand you perfectly about the feeling of slow panic. I live in Italy, in Rome which is in the central area of the nation. Fortunately Covid's cases are relatively few here, unlike the tragedy of northern Italy. But when it started, you could see the maps of the contagions progression that, day after day, became more and more red starting from the north going south.

WRT the clear search option: from the Sidebar main menu: Look & Feel->Search section., i attach a screenshot.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Haha actually the panic I was intending to describe was the feeling i had while my phone slowly got more broken... But now that you mention it that perfectly describes the paranoia covid brings as well...

And yes, you are correct, I found the setting and now it's fixed. Thanks again bro! Stay safe!
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Ah ok :)

I was thinking about screen rotation.

The hotspots position is stored separately in the portrait and landscape orientations, it could be that when you rotate the phone JINA incorrectly calculates the screen size and places the hotspot out of the visible area.

Can you try to manually reposition the hotspot while you're in landscape?
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Tried to test this... It's tricky because my home screen doesn't rotate and I have on only at home mode so I only see the hs on home screen or in jina settings menus. Switching from portrait to landscape with the setting open exits the settings menu, which then hides the hotspot because the sidebar is open, and closing it goes back to portrait which moves hs back to the side anyway. I will say that starting the settings in landscape gave me the ability to reapply the hs on the bottom (now rightmost) side, but without enabling my home screen to rotate its impossible for me to text how persistent it will be, and I'm too tired to go hunt down that setting...This is as far as I can get for now. More tomorrow.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
[MENTION=575209]bambapin[/MENTION]

Hey bro I made an uhoh...I was trying out the drawer with the toolbars hidden, thought it looked cooler, but then I accidentally slipped and clicked sort manually and a bunch of stuff flipped around in random order, and now without toolbars I can't figure out how to resort them by name, and I can't even open the settings to turn on the toolbars because the settings button is... on...a toolbar...facepalm. am I missing something?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
You should be able to restore the toolbars swiping down over the first row of the apps.

Indeed a swipe from the left border to the center should show the main menu.

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[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Ok I fixed it... But is there a way we can change that gesture to something else? Or a workaround of some kind? I use navigation gestures on my phone so swiping in from the edge is my back button, so that way impossible for me to do without first disabling gestures... Too much work ?
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
You mean the gesture to restore the toolbar? It should be disabled if you hide the toolbars using the Look & Feel menu entry.

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[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
What i mean is, can we have another gesture to restore the toolbar? I would like to have easy access to that function so i can use the drawer with the toolbars hidden, but any swipe from the edge is already allocated to the back function on my device, so the current setting will not work for me...instead of restoring the toolbar it just exits the app.

Edit: another feature i would like would be the ability to choose a second foreground color, i.e., one for the text and buttons on the toolbars and primary menus, and the text in the app search bar at the top...currently setting a foreground color really only changes the color of the app labels, everything else stays white, it doesn't look good xD
[Android Apps and Games] igloohed73:
Just did some experimenting & I see what you mean. It's impossible to get the menu open with the edge slide gesture if you use "gesture navigation". I had to go into settings, temporarily turn off gesture navigation, go back to Jina Drawer, open the menu drawer using Jina's in-app edge gesture to open it's settings, turn tool bar back on then yadda yadda yadda. Anyway yeah it's a problem if you use a system wide gesture nav. Think I'll just leave the tool bar on.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Yeah you just described 10 minutes of my life uncannily ? I will too, unless we can find another way...I sure would prefer another way. Might have to get Tasker involved.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
[MENTION=4836502]igloohed73[/MENTION] & [MENTION=10604143]nbarrett423[/MENTION] i'm running out of gestures... :(

A double tap on the list would not work because it interferes with the long press with customizable duration.

Any suggestions?
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Well you could use another hot spot but I feel like that's getting ridiculous. I will think of one, but for now, you don't necessarily have to use a gesture, just give another option for those who can't use that one... You could turn the toolbars into a pulldown that goes with the quick settings menu... Or honestly, just put a link to the settings menu somewhere else, like in the context menu for the drawer app itself. That's the only button we're really missing. Everything else is either already available elsewhere or accessible through the settings, if I'm not mistaken.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Try this version please, maybe i found a way to make the double tap on the list work.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but that files gives me an error when I try to install
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
What is the error message?
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Depends on what app I use to open it. Es explorer pro says no application available
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Try to download it again, the file on the XDA servers is ok i just installed it succesfully.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Same thing, must be me, hold on let me troubleshoot it

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Ok I got it installed but I don't see what you changed, where am I supposed to double tap?

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Haha ok I figured it out, if I double tap on the left edge it opens the toolbar, but then it bugs out. Once I open the toolbar I can't scroll anymore until I force close the app.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Ok let's try again :o. Indeed you can double tap everywhere inside the apps list, not only on the edge.

edit: wait i found another bug give me few minutes
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Same thing... The double tap is great, very responsive, but it breaks the UI, I can't do anything but open and close the toolbar
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Sorry again, this one should work :fingers-crossed:
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Bingo, love it! Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Working fine mostly, but it does seem to have broken one feature, the close drawer with down swipe doesn't work anymore.
[Android Apps and Games] igloohed73:
Definitely not your fault, it's just the state of Android at the moment, a gesture laden UI.

How about a long press or slide gesture on the search button?

Nevermind, just read the previous comments & see you've resolved the issue. Downloaded & tried the update & it works perfectly on my end too. Thank you so much!
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
I think it is not caused by the double tap. The culprit is the Hide toolbars flag in the Look & Feel menu: the top-> down gesture to exit only works when the toolbar is visible.

I can ignore the control over the visibility of the toolbar but I want to think a little bit about it.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Ok... Can you also tell me, is there a function to create a new folder? It feels like there should be but I can't find it. If there isn't, can you add one?

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One other thing, the double tap for toolbar function doesn't seem to work from the folder screen...

Edit: I'm on a roll i guess, found a little bug, when I click the folder labeled without tags the app crashes. I did find the function to create a new folder, it's not super easy to find though...I would really like a toolbar button for that function, personally, or maybe a long press context menu for blank space with a few of the toolbar buttons... The organization and nesting folders is a big draw for me, but it needs to be convenient to navigate, and right now it's not very easy to make new folders, create shortcuts to existing folders, etc... Granted, a few of these things are easy once you know where they are, but they are not easy to find. Maybe if you put labels on the buttons that just have picture icons so we would know exactly what they do?

Sorry if this is coming across as needy, that isn't my intention. Just suggestions, features that I would find helpful. You seem to respond to communication and feedback very well, which I appreciate, so I'm just giving you everything I can think of. Feel free to disregard at will haha
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Yes i know, the double tap works for now only in the drawer view, work in progress here.

The commands to manage the folders are inside the bottom toolbar, probably you don't see them because you have the toolbars hidden.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
I edited my previous post a good bit, take a look when you can... Thank you for the info as well
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Can i ask you why you think is not easy to find the function to create a new folder? Didn't find the + icon in the center of the toolbar?
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
I was just typing the answer before you asked the question...I take that back. I enabled the toolbars and suddenly it's very very easy haha... Sorry about that. No big deal to enable the toolbar temporarily when I need to mass organize, especially with the little 3 dot button in the corner. I really like that button... Could we make it stay visible when the toolbar is hidden? It would be another good way to toggle the toolbar, and you really do need them for folder management

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What does this button do? The one with the gray lines that says AZ...I can't click it, when I press it it just clicks the arrow to the right and opens that pull down sorting menu. Is that what it's meant to do?

Also, is there a function to hide apps on the main drawer but still leave them visible in a folder? For apps that you almost never interact with directly but need to keep and be able to find them when the need does arise?

Another cool feature would be the option to place a visual indicator on a folder so you can still tell it's a folder if you use an icon from a pack, something kind the jina emblem that automatically get added to home shortcuts, only optional...I love the icons I have but they all just look like apps, it gets confusing.
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
This version adds the double tap to the folders: inside the main app it toggles the toolbars, inside the widgets it is a toggle for the maximize mode.

Coming back to your questions:

- it is not a separate button, it is the indicator of the current sortby rule

- well it is exactly the opposite: in the Drawer you can show the hidden apps using the funnel icon in the bottom toolbar

- if you create the home shortcut starting from the home screen (so there is no little circle added by your launcher), inside the creation dialog you can tick a checkbox named "overlay" to draw a little arrow indicator over the folder icon.
[Android Apps and Games] nbarrett423:
Thanks can't wait to try new version.

I kinda wish you could do it both ways, would be really handy to be able to hide apps in the drawer but see them in folder, so you can keep your drawer tidy and clutter free while still having an easy access to your apps you may need to adjust or whatever
[Android Apps and Games] bambapin:
Maybe I didn't explain myself well or maybe it's me that I don't understand why a folder is needed to do what you suggest.

If you hide an app you no longer see it in the drawer so you can keep it clean as you say.

If you later want to review the apps you have hidden, just use the "Hidden apps" filter in the bottom toolbar of the drawer to see only those apps