yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Saygus V²] ryan49ryan:
Saygus just released the behind the scenes video that was shown at the end of the main video released earlier today. Nice to see some more professional footage coming from Saygus involving other reputable people other than just their own employees or excited fans. Wish the phone used was a production model in the video, appears to just be a dummy phone by the looks of it.

[YOUTUBE]watch?v=Yfc-uxsC7bM[/YOUTUBE]
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Could be could be....or the sunlight viewable screen
[Saygus V²] ryan49ryan:
Good point, no doubt it is a wonderful screen viewability wise. At about 1:50 Lewis is holding the phone by the screen and the home screen doesn't seem to respond or scroll at all. And a bit later on the most exciting thing he can comment on are all the buttons on it, maybe it's just me, but the buttons aren't the most obvious standout feature, let alone a seasoned phone reviewer.

https://youtu.be/Yfc-uxsC7bM?t=1m50s
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Yeh actually I found that a bit weird, about him making vague comments :)

I'd say they would have props around the place regardless

---------- Post added at 03:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:26 AM ----------

Actually you were right about the phone that reviewer is handling being a dummy. You can see the 11:47 in the screen @ 2:19
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Do any of you have superman like vision to be able to figure out what date it shows on the phone? The render still show a November date.

Also if this video was made after receiving a few production pieces from the manufacturer, why show case the only feature that they have milked to death? I mean we've seen WiHD demonstrations like a million times already.
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
It's nice to see that after all this frustration concerning shipping, missed promises (for so people), communication etc thing are changing.

Since that email just before the 22th of may they new branding was on time, some infos on Twitter on time, more usefull infos also. They said mid June new campaign, it's there. 2 weeks ago they said video shooting starting mid next week a few days for editing and this morning Tuesday we were able to see it. Emails are more at a normal time than overnight and are also easier to understand that the vague sentences they gave us in the email just before shipping. They also announced new surprises and it's there (dual sim). USB type c too but was more to be expected.

Also good to see that video today with someone known and not an employee of saygus (as someone said earlier don't think Lewis will put his face in that video if it was a huge scam). All this is refreshing

Of course we can say that this Indiegogo campaign looks sketchy maybe and why they added 2 days ago anonymous action etc. Starting at 0 or play with the numbers and add us there honestly at the end is just two different strategies. Maybe all this campain isn't the perfect way but hey, much better than what we had so far.

All to say I hope it will keep going that way. If so it's promising. I think the day is coming. But once again, we need more info to be reassured and of course a true real phone.

Let's see what that thing in L. A. Gives us in terms of new stuff.

I am still on the boat as long as my Galaxy s2 survives. If it dies before the eventual v2 then will have to act and find a plan b.

Good night
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
Asked the legend Samuel Rhodes. Even for original pre-order, there is a big chance that you won't see the phone until August. Based on me asking about the carrier certification in June/July.

If I can wait that long, at least I can see what the new Nexus might be... I'm actually considering an S6 Active....
[Saygus V²] nightwo|f:
Unlocked GSM phones need no such carrier certification to my knowledge, which is why they're originally releasing it as such.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I don't understand why some people so excited about this new video - there is no working phone on this video! It is still some kind of engineering example, renders etc. No single close-up of working phone! New features? Adding another SIM card is major PCB re-design, you need to change all SMT and QA proccesses in order to accomodate such change. Changing USB connector also doesn't come for free - same problems. In addinition to this there must be changes in physical assembly, plastic molds and etc. I have some experience in this subject - we are producing smartphones for Motorola, Huawei, HTC. and others. Looks like Saygus still treat us like complete idiots and looking at all these "news" I have no doubt that they are lying to us all the way till this very moment, starting well before the advertised shipping date of May 22. It rises the questions regarding the future of this company, of this product, of its support etc. We can expect lot of problems in the future.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Actually, no.

The video they talked about in the tweet was supposed to show us a demo of a fully working device. We have yet to see this video.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
I don't think anyone got excited by the video for starters. Not even me.

And I imagine that the changes to the phone started happening a while a go, as I have pointed out they were hinting at things on twitter.

As for the rest of your post, it's nothing that we don't already know and has been repeated ad nauseum.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Thank you very much for reviewing my post - this was only thing that I was missing so far. Now everything is set. :p
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
lol...point made. My apologies :)
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
I really hope they are stupidly sitting on the phones due to timing advice (which they previously referenced) so they can make the shipping announcement at E3 to try and make more "buzz" while $|77|ing on annoying their first, most important, customers enormously.

The other option seems to be expecting us to quietly and happily wait until August to get the first phones hot off the press about a day before the indieagogi orders are sent out.
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
Waitwaitwait... Saygus now expects me to re-preorder their failed phone on a platform that does not allow me to get a refund, even if they don't deliver at all? You're asking a lot of trust out of us, Saygus, and you're starting to make this actually look like an elaborate ruse.
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
I don't know what they expected to do with the video's. They showed the fingerprint reader nothing more no UI flow other then a generic Chinese ROM. Other than that with both videos combined nothing new. I don't understand how noone else is pointing that out. Oh yeah the apologists.

Seems to be a pattern lets regurgitate something should buy us some more time. Maybe if we have someone else regurgitate it not only will it buy us more time but will allow us to try to get funding to build the phone since we never were able to before. They didn't change manufacturer's they finally found one. As it says on indieweripyouoff and screw you. Shipping begins in Fall and preorders will begin shipping first. All that means is the first batch goes to them. Problem with that is Fall is along time away in cellular land.

Not only that but they are planning to sell the phone for $650 thats absurd as the most the specs would warrant in Fall is about $399-$450. Quite frankly thats the most it should be going for now.

Personally again I am now waiting to see if the phone comes to fruition. Well that and my refund that I requested 30 days ago which have still yet to receive and after my last call to them was told there was a error in the system they could not figure out for 10 days and they manually returned my order. Which is still yet to make it to my account I guess the banks they use are in never never land. I have never in my life seen it take over 10 days to refund a purchase after they do it on their end. Complete and total garbage.
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
nervous :(

. In the meantime, for any of our original customers, we can provide two options. First, we will ship them the V-SQUARED from our upcoming production run , or second, we can provide a refund, if preferred."

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2584791#ixzz3dDy5PHxE
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Thats the normal option that gaven before ( TO WAIT FOR THE PHONE OR ASK FOR REFUN):)

And its up to anyone how already preorder the V2 to chose between the two option:good:
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Is it me, or have posts on twitter Team Saygus vanished? It would appear many negative posts have been removed:silly:

There were a few people I liked to follow in there
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
true that. We will see if there isss another one in the upcoming days. even if it's not THE one we were suppose to see, it's still positive to have something they started shooting in the last few days as they said. But yeah, it's not the one with the features
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Oh looky! Z3 compact now $375 on Amazon.com available NOW. A very similar spec phone, even Sony's terrible customer service is better than Saygus broken promise after broken promise.

I think I found my phone, let's see if there is a E3 announcement before I request my refund.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
there is a picture on indiegogo of a group of folks standing in front of a NTD logo on a wall. otherwise Hanson Tech in China. no idea if this is the new manufacturing partner or the one that was replaced or neither . i'm guessing that it is the new partner. the website, http://www.hanson-tech.com/en/index.php# leaves a lot to be desired.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
You're wrong: it is the the logo of Yangzhou New Telecom Sci. & Tech. Co., Ltd. (NTD) http://www.zhntd.com/english/index.html, smartphone and tablet manufacturer. Looks like they met at CES or MWC. :cool:
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I have a Z3 Compact right now and there are a few things that's still desired that still has me hold onto my pre-order.

Firstly, the speaker quality is not as good as you think it is. Also the quoted battery life is only possible if you enable Stamina Mode consistently which accomplishes its job by queuing up your background processes into fixed intervals. If you use the usb cable to charge the phone, then constant removal of the sealing covers/flaps can get annoying for some. Lastly, the phone feels very slippery to hold and I would have felt much more comfortable with the material that the Nexus 4/5 used to ensure a better grip on the phone. A small pool of negatives in a sea of positives but just my 2c. As good as what Sony gets right with the Z3C, there are things that the Z3C can't do that Saygus could do(if it ever lives up to its expectations)
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
I requested a refund yesterday... surprisingly got a reply today ! :eek:

~~~~~
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
Barbara Dunkelman ‏(@bdunkelman) on twitter
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Who is that?
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
Wiki Barbara Dunkelman
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I'm thinking about driving up there tomorrow (from San Diego) to see the phone, but not sure I want to endure 4+ hours of traffic to spend 5 minutes with a phone. There's like 13-million people in the greater L.A. area, I can't believe nobody on here lives closer and is willing to go. Wait, Tony, don't you live closer?

Plus, I never got a response from my RSVP.
[Saygus V²] pah2602:
There would want to be some tweets, vines or YouTube vids popping up from e3 shortly. Get us a review saygus ffs.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
If you have a 15 passenger van, you can bring 40 of your closest friend along for the ride:good:;)
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
LOL. I don't have any friends; that's why I'm on here all the time.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Could be how close they are to lying again.....and again......oh wait.....

....and again

And tell me not to voice my opinion again :p Tell me I'm creating unwarranted negativity.

Saygus must be giving you and two others here a pretty sweet deal to be this willing to just bend over backwards for a device that only has 50% of its features remotely working after six months of lies.

Maybe the guy below can help Saygus.....

https://youtu.be/KBIdcUxdgo0
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
OK, don't voice your opinion again. You're creating unwarranted negativity
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
Acceptance is the first step to recovery.
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
i am curious to see if she can't bring me one phone when she comes back to montreal?!:)
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
Been 16 days since I made my request for refund. Just finished speaking with my cc company to see if there was anything holding it up on their end, but they just haven't received anything processed from saygus yet.

I reopened my refund ticket with saygus to inquire, but what's the longest people have been waiting before the refund went through?
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Saygus sold 153 phones in 24 hrs on Indigogo
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Not surprised there are some biters. A few things have changed for the better that was a large gripe for some folks: the inclusion of USB Type-C, and Dual-SIM effectively makes the V² a World Phone in every right, whose only Achilles Heel is the processor being used. I'm just sad that it's a realistic chance that those of us who outside of the IndieGoGo campaign won't see our phones until late July at the least.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I think I've prob gone the longest before getting my refund. I submitted my cancellation on 3/5. They responded to it on 3/11. I still hadn't gotten a refund by 3/26 and filed a dispute with my credit card company. Finally got my refund on 3/30. Sounds like you need to file a dispute as well. Companies will normally respond to those pretty quickly, as they can be fined or penalized for too many chargebacks.

When my refund finally got processed, I got an email from Stripe, Saygus' payment processor. If you haven't gotten that email, I would guess that they didn't actually submit it for a refund.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ggxn4Li99I

[YOUTUBE]5Ggxn4Li99I[/YOUTUBE]

From Saygus:

Our friend Joey just Tweeted, "Will someone at #SaygusE3 please tweet a photo of a functioning [MENTION=6700101]SayG[/MENTION]us V2 ... one that *doesn't* say it's 11:47 on Nov 6?" Why yes, Joey, we would love to do that and you know what? We'll do you one further and just give you a video of us responding to your tweet. Because, Never Hold Back

Thanks Ryan from Facebook
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
I agree it would be nice have newer processor but owning 3 phones already that have 801 the truth is its not lacking anything and will be functional for couple more years before it's to slow to keep up.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Next question is...is it USB 3.1

We know it's a Type-C connector...but can the device pass-through as USB 3.1 or is it still just 2.0 like the Nokia N1 tablet

USB PD support would be asking too much, and is only useful for Chromebooks, but would be good.
[Saygus V²] faizalotai:
Still an old V2
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Old front, new back
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
BUT its CLEAR FROM THE VIDEO dual sim phone :) THE LOGO IT DOSE NOT MATTER BUT ITS CLEAR THAT ITS THE NEW V2 HARDWAERE :good:
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
The front logo never changed just the back logo
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
[YOUTUBE]D6fDZkmMvNs[/YOUTUBE]
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I have a lot of reasons for why USB 3.1 and even USB PD would not make the cut, but Saygus is the only credible company out there that can be believed if they say they'll try their hardest to make it possible. It's not impossible to get a 3.8V battery to output at 20V@5A for designers, but the people manufacturing the boards may have a dissenting opinion.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
I didn't see it when it was first posted...but now theres 4 slots. 2 Sim and 2 Micro SD.

I thought it was a dual sim/microsd setup for one of the slots :)

And a narrower battery.

Courtesy of Coco Loco via a live stream from Periscope @E3
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Is the battery capacity still the same?
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Doesn't seem to be a change in specs for capacity...just dimensions
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
A disadvantage of a narrower battery is that it will make it harder to insert higher capacity batteries. Or that higher capacity batteries will create a larger bulk on the phone than if the battery was wider. But hopefully the stock battery is sufficient to last a day on its own.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Is it information or assumption?
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Well-informed opinion until they change their specs on their page and prove me otherwise
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
can you explain me why thanks
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Personally I'm very skeptical to buying a phone with a non-removable battery. I have previously written a post about how battery life become worse over time, and I don't want to bother with shipping the phone in for repairs just to get back initial battery life. Then I would have to get a replacement phone in the meantime, I would have to delete all personal information on the phone before shipping, set up everything again when I receive the phone after the repair. It would be really cumbersome.

http://xdaforums.com/general/genera...egradation-t3088747/post60274404#post60274404
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
Submitted for refund on 5/20 no response to ticket, opened new ticket on 5/25. No response had to call got a response on 5/29 they where processing refund they closed both tickets. Nothing received called on 6/12 spoke to someone about an hr later I got the email saying they were processing it. They updated my ticket to say due to a system issue refunds were not processed for close to 10 days and rather then waiting any longer they manually processed my refund (what a crock). Just hung up with my bank there is still no refund from them in the system yet. Just for ease I am waiting till Friday before I file the chargeback just to save the hassle on my end. At this rate indieripyouoff people will get a phone before I get my refund.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Another reason to keep our orders and sit tight. finally they are going on it the right way. (who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks)
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
removable battery is the way to go. changed the one on my s2 , 3 times, the on on my girlfirend's s3 3 times too. By that time, i saw so many people around me changing their phone because they couldn't just swap the battery
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Seems they missed a great opportunity to showcase the sunlight-viewable screen. Or was that it I wonder? In which case, it seemed a bit disappointing, but then, it's tough to tell from that video.

The fact they haven't changed the specs on the website doesn't mean much at this point. I certainly hope they didn't reduce capacity, as that's one of their big selling points.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
So it is just assumption.
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
I hope the day we can open that white box with the huge V' logo on it will happen one day
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Interesting read.

This phone is just a stop gap until Nokia produce a new phone so it'd only have to last about a year. Speaking of them my 3 year old 808 battery is as good as the day I bought it. And for Nokia non-replaceable battery meant grab a t5 screwdriver and replace it yourself.

What ever happened to quality?
[Saygus V²] prasathvishnu:
Today, when I was trying to watch Youtube Videos, I saw Saygus V2 advertisement almost 5-6 times.

I think they are spending to promote their Indieogo campaign.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/611184869834555392
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
So now we have 128gb?
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I think that for every feature that they magically add, they push out the ship date by another month. That math pretty much works out for where we are. Want USB C? Wait another month. Want dual sim? Wait another month. Want 128 GB internal? Wait another month.

It truly will be a dream phone but I don't think I'll get my hands on it till Thanksgiving or Christmas. But at least it will come with a ton of new features that I didn't ask for.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Seems the Twitter account is being run by someone more mature than prevoiusly too, with less exclamation points, less attempted emotion and better more to the point communication.

Thankyou Saygus. It really is appreciated.
[Saygus V²] nightwo|f:
Yea, the previous twitter operator seemed to leave much to be desired. Things seem much more appropriately written as of late.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Thread pollution!
[Saygus V²] vikramkhalsa:
Looks like there is still hope yet..
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Well I got to admit, I'm presently surprised with the change in communication from Saygus. Wonder how long before the phone's delivered to the one's that still held on to their pre order.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Thank you

Here's another :good:
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
From the Saygus Twitter account.

Let the speculation run wild.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
" I think we've already changed the history of mobile communications without even a product on the market!" - Saygus on twitter. HAHAHAHA. Oh man.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
[MENTION=6700101]SayG[/MENTION]us: [MENTION=4544710]nvitone23[/MENTION] Very true. Be looking for a lot of content today here on Twitter, on Facebook, on our YouTube channel. Be ready for [MENTION=5880213]periscope[/MENTION]co

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/611266263403245568
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
WoWzzzer !!! our old buddy Samuel :rolleyes::rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/DJ_BaZZtian/status/611254506005917696/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/611256213381099520

~~~:eek:
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
saygus said:

Team Saygus ‏@Saygus 2h2 hours ago [MENTION=2576592]Professor_[/MENTION]_x Other than a few tune ups, this is the final phone for both groups. But pre-order folks get theirs first.

My question is: since it<s the final phone other than a few tune ups, someone knows how long can it take from there? I don't know what are the next steps

knowing that those are the stuff the have to do:

Team Saygus ‏@Saygus 2h2 hours ago [MENTION=2576592]Professor_[/MENTION]_x There are ongoing software updates and tuning as is usual, this is the final hardware device.
[Saygus V²] CHERRY63:
To many holes not enuf hands on

Just submitted mine and received reply on ticket same day so... a wait begins but State of Utah law is in my corner; What do I mean? Ordered just the other day then saw the video of the drop test in their office where the back starts to come off at 3' and every time till they stop testing at 6'. SORRY; I've had numerous cell phones of this type and drops on asphalt didn't make the backs pop off...After sending in my cancel request; was told by their staff that the video they published on Twitter and their site was an old video and they had refined the device since then? SORRY, their Twitter site explicitly says that they had just done some new tests vid's and would have them posted soon. RED FLAG! Anyways, hope whoever gets their V2 is happy with it but after reading so many laudatory press but never seeing but 1 phone during those tests and never a hands on 2,2,4,5,6,7 day review by a 3rd party which we've all come to trust.... Hope whoever does receive their phone gets what they pay for. Good Luck.

[FONT=&quot]R152. Commerce, Consumer Protection.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Rule R152-11. Utah Consumer Sales Practices Act. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Effective June 1, 2015[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](e) The showing or demonstrating of defective, unusable, or impractical consumer commodities when such defective, unusable, or impractical nature is not fairly and adequately disclosed in the advertisement;[/FONT]
[Saygus V²] shekers:
so the upgrade to USB Type C also upgrades to USB 3.0. Hopefully it's not their BS about USB2 with USB3 functions

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/611282406843154432
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
[YOUTUBE]9q-L_0rWmIM[/YOUTUBE]
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
You look toooooo excited. You did not stop advertising for Saygus since a while. I guess they better pay you to handle the marketing team other than trolling lots of members all the time.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
I don't even have a clue what your talking about. I found a video on youtube, I posted the video on XDA. Pull your head out of your ass.
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
ya but thats for the indiegogo one. appartently doesnt apply to us