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[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
Exactly the same here. I did not have the credit-card token with me at work when I first tried to pre-order. Then I realized that the pre-order I made on the other day got a new reference number and the first attempt was still marked as pending (which I then canceled).

So it seems we are in the same boat., and probably there are more of us. I have also opened a ticket, and now I updated it with the info that it is not a standalone issue.

I do not worry too much about it, as it is not rocket science, and they have exactly 2 months fix it.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I wonder if it'll support camera api2..
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
If it has It I hope it can be turned off
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
You have no idea what you're talking about. I missed the first pre-order benefits. When I canceled I got this email back :

As you can see "This code will give you all the original pre-order benefits, including a $50 discount, an extra battery, and a screen protector". I also replaced my order before the news was announced. So this should qualifies me for the added headphones / email.
[Saygus V²] nexus7lte:
Im really hoping for the phone to come true but im also really glad i trusted my gut and didnt preorder this phone. Ive learned from past experiences that when people attempt really ambitious projects, they typically make ambitious release dates. The reality is that they can either release an item that doesnt work as promised on time, or spend an extra year, give or take, to get it to near perfection. Neither solution makes everyone happy so i would like to see them do both and allow a batch of beta phones to tinkerers (i.e. the people on these forums) as well as delay the final product for the people who want a phone to 'just work'.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I finally get a response to my ticket but its useless.

The ticket I made clearly stated that I did not get this email and asked why? and I also requested that if I wasn't on the list to receive such emails that can I be added... and that's their response? No **** I should of got the email captain obvious... but I didn't...

Its like latter on if I'm having phone issues and I describe the issue in detail, and they respond with simply saying "The phone should be working fine" and close the ticket...
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
But the e-mail has been posted here on XDA for those that did not get it.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Do you check in spam?
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Yes I did also if you read back in this thread someone else is experiencing the same problem as me.

That's not the point. They clearly stated on twitter they were going through accounts and removing emails which canceled their pre-orders, or whatever other reasons. Do they acknowledge my pre-order? Probably not now, considering I've canceled and reordered.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Maybe they eliminated the people that got a refund from the list without verifying that they had re-ordered. Sounds like a mistake a company with poor customer service skills would make. I wouldn't imagine any ill-effects beyond this e-mail though- at least I'd hope not. Did you use the 'code' when you re-ordered?
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
That is essentially what I was trying to clear up when I got a canned response.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I went into the pre-order knowing that it be a bumpy road given Saygus' reputation. I applaud them for pushing the date back in favor for ensuring high quality components rather than half-baked. I'd rather get awesome, than less awesome as long as it doesn't push the date back where it makes this smartphone less super compared to anything within a year. I would have been more disgruntled if they told me they had to downgrade a component like the camera sensor just to make the deadline.

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I really hope they have a plan to be better at customer service. That's their downfall right now.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Nice and well organised post with loads of information. I agree (and I believe most of us) with most of it. I wonder if there is a chart of features and flagship comparison. I bet Sayguss would be about 20% longer than second longest. Any phone that I buy must have replacable battery AND an SD card. That excludes other flagships. Speakers are big for me. I am conductor and use quickly made recordings for rehearsal information. It would be so nice to make a spec chart that people could fill in form of percentage or something...
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Ok so a few things. First. It does not come with lollipop. They have stated several times it's coming with kit kat.

There's nothing for sure saying anyone will develop CM for us. Being unlocked and rootable means nothing unless we get devs on bored. Last I seen we are only on 4k range for orders. Which isn't really that many.

We don't know it's a solid camera (mp means nothing) because they don't have one working yet. We also have yet to see anyone use this phone in sun light, under water, or finger print scanner (last time they said it wasn't working yet either). So there's no way of knowing how well these would work.

All that being said. There is no one that matches all of your must haves right now. But until Saygus produces a working phone I would say this phone doesn't either. We are all grasping at straws hoping for the best from them. But they haven't been doing a good job of it yet.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Have to say, speakers are big for me too. I'm bartender and like to actually hear my phone/music when setting up and etc and not need bt speaker or headphones.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I would love it if this was good enough to replace my cheap blue tooth speakers.
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
Do not confuse order numbers with number of phones ordered. Each order could be for multiple phones.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I'm not confusing them. Even if each person ordered 5. 5x4000 is still 20000. Still not a lot when it comes to a world phone. I'm not saying it won't get CM. I hope it does. I'm just trying to be realistic with the guy who seems to think it's a lock to get it.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Hoping that they get a carrier on board to sell the phone. If they deliver on their promises, like bringing manufacturing over to the USA, without diluting the phone because of ship date, and get better at customer service, I can see carriers being very interested in this phone. We pre-register folk are like their only source of advertising aside from attending their conferences.

Me too. I can't wait to try it out. Hopefully not disappointed.

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I'd like to ask, how many people here have told others whether personal friends, family, business associates, etc, about this phone?
[Saygus V²] AdamColligan:
Sorry, that was a typo. I tacked it onto the post as an edit and actually ctrl-v'd onto the wrong list. Fixed now.

As for the devs, I do note that it's a small market. But I guess I'm not certain about the relationship between volume and the existence of working ROMs/bootloaders/guides (as opposed to the relationship between ease-of-development and the existence of those things). This might just be a function of my own (unusual?) personal experiences, though. I've had nothing but mainstream or high-volume devices that ended up abandoned or impossible dead ends.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I've mentioned it to several people online. In my personal life though no one cares about phones like I do and they just want the latest galaxy or iPhone to fit in...
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Where I work, about a month ago several employees decided to buy the iphone 6. Now, everyone got cracked screens, can't get something to work, and asked me why they having so many problems. I warned everybody before jumping on the iphone bandwagon. LoL peer pressure is funny how it works.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
How to get screen protector and extra battery? Waiting for accessories to be available. I need screen protector
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
If I remember correctly they are going to have them both available to buy at launch. I'm sure there will be eBay or Amazon screen protectors for it by then too.

On this note, is there anyone planning to not use the screen protector? I've never liked the difference in feel and responsiveness (even if is extremely small). But then again I'm pretty careful with my tech. I guess if it turns out to be a glass screen protector or something fancy I would try it.

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In reference to water protection. Is anyone aware of any other devices using the same water resistant tech of the saygus v2? I'm curious to know if/how the battery contacts (and battery it self) as well as the sd cards /SIM card slots are protected. Especially if you were to drop phone and the back cover and battery comes out.

I guess I haven't used a phone with water proofing and removables.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
afaik it's a glass screen protector.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Oh god! We need to: a) start a new thread called Saygus waiting ROM, b) develop some sort of game that could last for 8 weeks c) shoot ourselves in the foot d) keep ourselves occupied in some other way.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
I would rather like to know whether any developers are there among us preordered ones who are ready to take up the development works for this phone by way of custom ROMs and individual improvements so as to start up a thread in xda readilly?
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
It's going to be a horrible 8 weeks.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Someone start a group hangouts did the hard core :)
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Not sure what you mean. I kinda wished some kind of rep for Saygus would engage in conversation with us on this forum- even if they have to remain vague about details.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
We can kill time with some sweet speculations: combining unique features will give this device unique possibilities. What combinations cross your mind? Is there an app that will be possible with Saygus only?
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
test of snapdragon 810 on HTC ONE M9 and LG G FLEX 2 (french)
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Here is the first game to keep someone occupied. Can someone find a video and post it here about the Saygus vPhone (their first mobile phone). I am talking about unboxing and review and not those videos from CES or MWC etc.. I want to see a video of a person who had purchased the phone and had talked about it. I could not find one person who bought a vphone and talked about the phone. Please if anyone find a video, ould you kindly post the li k here. The hunting game begins NOW!!!
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
Is this some kind of a joke? The vPhone never made its way into the hands of customers....
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
No. Hope you got my point. And I was hoping we get the v2 in our hands soon.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
like that ?

[YOUTUBE]n9eHnr_LEC4[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]nH5PjccWhho[/YOUTUBE]
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Uhmmm.. nope..
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
erf ok !
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
lol. 10char.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
What would you expect from this representative?

If Saygus had some social media or support guy, who got some "spare time" for this, he would definitely contribute here. They just don't have the personnel capacities therefor yet!

That's why I'm trying to fill this "gap", since I'm also a pre-orderer and I know really well, how difficult it is, to wait that long for a device without proper information!

Let's collect all questions, you are interested in and which aren't aswered (in there FAQ, Twitter or my website http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2) yet.

I'll hand them over to Saygus and get the answers for you. Wouldn't be that a deal?

If I find some more spare time, I'll also try to make a updated fact collection out of the recent information and post it here.

As someone asked about the screen protector:

Source: Official E-Mail (Thu, 5 Feb 2015 06:44:39 GMT)

EDIT: Again. This is only included for those who pre-registered and pre-ordered using the coupon code.

Greetings from Germany,

Andreas :)
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Thanks for the info. I am the one who asked about Screen Protector because I did not pre-registered to pre-order. :D
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
In that first video, that is an absolute BEAST of a phone at 0:24 . Oh how I miss a QWERTY superphone, but thank god they didn't bring that to market. Good lord...
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Thanks for your collection.
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
I saw the ANDREAS expected AnTuTu benchmark was around 34000 which doesn't seem very high when the S4 i9505 gets 28538. I would hope it is at least in the low 40000s
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
My nexus 5 gets 39000 with a slower processor. I would expect the v2 to get similar to the one plus one. Same processor, resolution, and amount of memory.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
haha !! My HTC Desire HD with CM12 ROM up to 6750 ! :D <- ironic
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
No questions need to be given, just engage. It's just a wish of mine- which you could convey to the Saygus team if you feel so inclined. It isn't a deal breaker for me the way they are treating their customers, as I'm staying in the game. However, I have to say that this is the only company I've ever invested in that has so little active communication/engagement. Even independent game companies with four people in their team have a blog or forum showing progress even vague to keep competitors in the dark. What a perfect way to advertise themselves FOR free, by communicating through XDA, become personal, and develop trust with the community. They can talk about their favorite color, doesn't matter, just engage.

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Exactly. They shooting themselves in the foot, but we all know this. I appreciate your help in trying to fill in the gap andreas, but Saygus need to speak for themselves at some point.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Hmm. Interesting question.

How about while at bar, slip the hdmi adapter for wirelesshd into the hdmi port of one of the TVs and then use saygus' ir blaster to change TV channel to hdmi port, and turn the screen black and have green lettering that says , 'Do you know what the matrix is?'. Then if people ask, answer their questions from my saygus from the back of the room. They'll think it's magic or something.

Setup an sd card to boot into the most secure rom/os (kali?)i can find and install orbit/tor so that I can route traffic on the fly via wifi/bt tethering.

Image recognition software would work great on the saygus if it could be perfected. 4k video capabilities, big memory, fast processor, big storage, these features would give the sagyus the edge in this.

Geocaching, and augmented reality apps would do nicely with battery capabilities, 4k video, fractal antenna.

Penetration testing. Have SD card with Kali OS arm edition ready to hot boot and test network security, or get around the security, which ever is your cup of tea.

Not sure if possible with this phone but the tech seems to be good enough and would be cool is eye tracking. When your face in front of phone and you look downward on a document or webpage and it would scroll for you.

Just some ideas. Ill post more when I think of them. Anyone else got any thoughts?
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
If I were saygus, under NO circumstances would I send someone to this forum. It's already 75% gripe fest. Sending someone here would just result in being slammed with the same questions and negativity that is all over this forum and Twitter.

"are you really going to make the may 22 date? "

I don't want headphones give me something better

You should use a newer processor

How much is shipping

I didn't pre-order in time but still deserve the free stuff

Is the camera working

Are you really going to make the may 22 deadline

Is the camera working

I cancelled my pre-order and now re-ordered but I still want free stuff

Is the camera working

You suck at communication.

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There is no benefit to them sending a representative here for this.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
It's better than no communication. The reason for all those questions IS because of their lack of communication.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
There is communication. But if they don't have every answer, someone is upset. People need to relax and let them work. If you are that unhappy, simply ask for a refund. Otherwise try to bring something positive to the forum.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
If they don't know an answer. Why not just say I don't know? That's better than no answer.
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
Exactly... Even the top manufactures take a year to bring the next evolution of their product to market... So, I feel they have answered all the primary questions they can at this time and until they have the final version, the remaining specific detail questions will be answered then.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Most people have no problem relaxing and letting them work. But they don't need $550+ from everyone to do that. People are rightfully concerned that their "investment" in this product will get delayed again, and then at that point the V2 isn't a viable purchase in terms of tech IMO. In January, yeah, it was some awesome stuff. But if it gets pushed to July/August, or nothing works right and we all need support, then certain components of the phone become obsolete against a $550 price tag and we've seen what level of support Saygus is capable of. Ever tried calling them? Nothing but voicemail....ever. Tried opening a ticket? They sit for weeks.

Also, stop trying to police people's comments. It's a public forum setup specifically for Saygus discussion. If you don't like someone complaining, then just ignore it. Just ignore it, that's all it takes. People aren't going around here wishing ill-will on Saygus and its employees, they're just concerned about their purchase. Big difference between concern and negativity.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
It's not commonsense.A sensible man won't do it.It will lead only to a disaster.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
So its cool for you to police my comment and everyone else voice their opinion but I can't? Makes sense
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
:p:crying::silly::confused::(:(

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Dear friend,please don't say anything like this.You will be jailed and wipped!!!
[Saygus V²] guent_peer:
If we want the Vsquared become a success we should not aim for a (black) self-fulfilling prophecy!
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
As excited as I am about this phone, I can wait on the Antutu benchmark until the device is finished. If they're still working on the software as well as the hardware, it probably would affect the benchmark scores. Atually, at least for me, as long as the phone doesn't lag or have too many glitches, I won't care too much about how fast it performs compared to, say the Samsung S6, which I will never consider buying anyway.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Yeah it takes a year. But this is totally different. They supposed to have the working final product already ready during the announcement or unpacking. What they did instead is taking our money first so they can start pay for developers to produce a working phone. Would it supposed to take much longer like a year or so? Hopefully their would be no issue or delay arise on 22 May.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
They already facing that on twitter. Ive seen it happen over and over, reps being slammed from everywhere whether they are rom devs, game devs, mod devs, etc. Thats what a rep suppose to do, answering questions, assuring people that things are good. I see your point but a skilled rep would know how to handle it. I wouldn't send the rep to this exact thread, they'd create their own. They'd outline the most common questions, and answer them at the best of their knowledge or simply tell people they are not ready to answer. Just a wish and an opinion. Lets not forget the lack of customer service is the reason for the negativity.....
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
For clarity, I never said anyone didn't have the right to feel concern but I don't understand. First concern in a strong word for a phone. Anxious, curious sure but concern, I don't see it. I spent money I comfortably had so I'm not bothered that they took the money right away. Also saygus doesn't owe you anything but a refund or a phone. They are not obligated to provide review units, camera samples or answers to every known question. If you feel they should that is your opinion but nothing you are entitled to. Saygus owes you a phone on may 22nd and that's it. Worrying about hypothetical scenarios is useless. Concern over a phone seems excessive. My advice is either get a refund or wait and try to stay positive.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
But I think xda will not allow to start an official thread unless the final product is released.I have read something in this line her in this thread itself or somewhere other.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Oh, I'm very confident Saygus will deliver. My wishes and desires of them being engaging are merely anxiety and curiosity and the fact I love these guys doing what they are doing and making such an amazing phone. I can't think of another phone to invest in. Also, knowing full well that there is a miniscule chance that the company might not deliver; but as I said I'm confident they will.

Rats ;)

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I don't even need an answer. I don't need to be petted and told everything is going to be ok. But, I'd like to see engagement. They been doing that on Twitter, bravo- that is a step up from the previous month. But Saygus team seems like a very cool group and would like to know about them a bit more broader. Don't

need

to know about them. I have this strong feeling, people who are negative or concerned about the phone would feel better with a bit of engagement, and that they wouldn't be so negative anymore. But, maybe I have too good of an opinion about people :P. $550? I can make it on a slow weekend. I'm just interested I guess :).
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
True... Not only do we want a phone, but we want a phone that merits a $550-$600 expense. If they deliver something short of that expectation, then the consumer will not be satisfied with the purchase. People just don't want thier money tired up unnecessarily and be provided a due date that keeps turning in to a moving target.

May 22 saygus needs to deliver a phone that is worth $550 or they will be prompted to issue refunds. Pretty simple. If they keep bumping the delivery date they will lose all they credibility with the only consumer market they've appealed to. Maybe they have several millions of dollar where the initial prepay customers don't matter to thier bottom line, but I'd hate to think that? Maybe they just needed the initial prepay customers too provide an initial finance vehicle too garner the investments of those much larger than us on the XDA forums? After they catch one or a few big investors to take them to the hundred million dollar level, the first 4,000 prepay customers become disposable at that point.

Makes one think we could all just be pawns in thier business plan? But that's just a hypothesis.
[Saygus V²] GuillePin:
I really love this phone,but the lack of communication ,technical answers as display technology or notification LEDS, among others,sent to them before my preorder,pushed me to cancel it.

Does anyone think about hardware/software compatibility? They begun having problems with camera and antenna.As Chad said in Germany,there are 250 components involved in a phone.What can we expect about the rest of them?

In my particular opinion they are selling a no yet tested device.

I repeat: it would be the perfect phone.

Do they really know what are they selling??
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
The customer is always a pawn to a business, it's their job to make the customer not feel like a pawn.