yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Saygus V²] andriman:
Yes, however, theory does not have to equal practise.. The drivers might not support the higher values...

Who needs TB in phones anyway?
[Saygus V²] vikramkhalsa:
Also an excited fan, waiting for hands on reviews or more concrete info before pulling the trigger on this one. Any other good < 5in screen phones you guys can recommend? Oneplus one is too big for my taste, xperiaz3c has to many glass cracking stories that scared me off.
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
Sorry to hear all the bad news going on for you guys. I tell you though I jumped off because of all Bs and the rudeness of the staff. Another major reason was due to the fact that my credit c. Will only honor a 60 day charge back so I just didn't want to take the risk of Saugus tanking. Anyways on another note I just got me the US version ZenFone 2 4g ram 64gb of mem. I'm really loving this phone. For $300 you cannot beat it I recommend everyone to cancel your order and jump on ASUS.
[Saygus V²] field893:
dude , you are master of your decision , Keep others will consider how their decisions.

Do not throw mud in this small society, it does what it can to complete smartphone.

Those who can not wait in many cases , returned the money invested , so they are correct.

thanks
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Glad to hear that your refund went smoothly. ZenFone 2 huh? Good call. Sounds like a pretty sweet handset. And everyone knows that Asus does make some good stuff. I've always enjoyed the quality of their builds and that price sure is reasonable. Glad to hear that it is working out for you. Thanks for stopping back by to let us know. Oh, and make sure you stop back by after a bit longer and let us know if your impression of th ZenFone 2 is still the same.
[Saygus V²] Purest:
Yeah I'm about to cancel, doesn't look too promising anymore. I'm in no hurry for a new phone, I enjoy my note 3 running CM12.1 on Lollipop 5.1.1

Maybe I'll try to get my hands on a Xiaomi Mi 5 that will be released later this year with the Snapdragon 820 & 4gb of ram.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Cheers mate, though we may be crazy NOW hehe. ;)

#facepalm

First you accuse me of being an employee TWICE and then you ask if a known employee is NOT an employee. Seriously do you just go the OPPOSITE way of EVERYTHING? #Justwanttoseetheworldburn
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm really trying to hang in there but it's getting tough. Yotaphone 2 is going on sale for the US, I can get a note 4 for a little less than the V² at this point and I'm still very intrigued by the blackberry passport.
[Saygus V²] Purest:
That phone looks really cool, love the EPD screen, I would be interested it if it was able to get LTE, their site claims "GSM ONLY" not sure if their US model will have LTE.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Can't believe anyone is still waiting for this phone. So Saygus missed their original 6-8 week deadline, missed their next deadline for end of May, haven't announced any further deadline, haven't demonstrated any features other than the WiHD that was ready in January, still haven't rectified their massive communications issues, and yet ... there's just no disappointing some people.

Seriously, supposing they actually ship a phone to you. What are your expectations of hardware quality, software maturity, after-sales service, updates ... ? You got to look after your own interests, so it's your call, but please ... think about it.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
These were addressed by our FB group and this was her response to them. Just to make it clear this is not to you guys specifically but I feel it might clear what you are asking/saying up a little.

Cheers

"Mr. Courty Man"

Again please be respectful, she is not at liberty to share anything.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
We have a 14 day return policy, with just the shipping at risk, so we'll see what happens.
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
What are you talking about. The company has done that to themselves.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Well, that's true, and there's the chargeback thing with credit cards, but the dream of actually having a quality product that you would want to keep is IMO dead at this point, so why bother?
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
Yeah I will for sure. Just got the phone last week and have already obtained root so just waiting for more to come. I do think that this phone is really great for the price.

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Go for the ZenFone 2 and save some money
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Nah, buddy has it. Camera isn't good enough and battery life is average at best. I can get lg g3 cheaper and a much better device. But I am glad it works for you.
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
That's exactly my point I had to consider the company tanking losing my $ and getting an inferior product. With support from staff that's disrespectful. So I had to stop giving them support. I realized that the product was already archaic. Asus ZenFone 2 cheaper faster and better.

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If you want better camera the Yota2 won't cut it for you. Why go backwards with LG g3 doesn't make sense.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Not to be a downer or anything guys but theres a thread for this...

http://xdaforums.com/saygus-v2/general/alternatives-to-t3114482
[Saygus V²] kensayers:
Is the ZenFone an alternative?

I've looked at the ZenPhone, Not waterproof so you need a case to use on a bike), Basic Security (no fingerprint scanner), Average camera, Atom processor!! not availble in Australia until 'later this year' so no LTE bands listed yet. Not really an alternative.
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
Kudos to this employee for taking the initiative to communicate to the masses. It may not be what we want to hear, but heh its something at least. An ask for next time is please remove the Apple analogies and legend building as there's a whole lot to prove before any comparisons can be had.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Agreed. Wasn't the most well considered comment. Getting SOMETHING at the moment out of someone who works there is better nothing. Although NOTHING is what we still have... :)
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Yotaphone definitely doesn't have a great camera, you're right, I'm not going to buy a g3 I was just saying that if price was my biggest concern. 4gb ram doesn't really thrill me and I'm don't play games on my phone. I've been hoping for a phone smaller than my OPO
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
Most of your points are valid. But for me I don't need that stuff my phone stays in my pocket no one is accessing my phone but me I don't even use passcode. Atom processor is a performer playing GTA on max settings without an issue. If you want waterproof phone can can send to Aquapel. Or drive a car. As your bands go maybe they will be out soon before V2 drops.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Screw these companies and corporations.

We don't need to divide and argue with each other over these b@$tards.

Power to the people!

*fist bumps every single XDA member.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Lol, sounds good Charlie :good: I'll try to reign myself in a bit :angel:. I hope people would still like to hear any news I occasionally come across though, for good or bad.:fingers-crossed.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
We are all here because we are or were excited about the V2. Personally I appreciate everyone's opinion and anyone's effort to bring us news.

Honestly. If the V2 came out when it should have at least the second time around, I would buy it.

Even if by some miracle it came out in a week...... I would buy it. But unfortunately I don't see that happening. Hopefully, it comes out eventually and with a better processor.
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
Sorry for going slightly off topic. The archaic Note 4 and GS3 are looking better to me than the potential V2 right now - I do not think Saygus can touch these old phones in terms of quality and reliability, given what we have seen from Saygus so far (no more or less complete product available to beta testers/reviewers, amateurish and rude PR, no trace of any FCC approval, basically a vaporware myth). They can put the hardware components together, but we HAVE NOT HEARD OR SEEN anything regarding the software and firmware! Placing an OIS lens in a phone doesn't mean it will work good. There is tons of things that need to happen in firmware, software, and overall lens-sensor design.

Anyway, couldn't help with the rant. Just can't believe I have been had by these Utah charlatans.

Slightly fresher Note 4 ($450 used) or slightly staler GS3 ($400 new)? Both have excellent cameras, stable software, and proven companies behind them.

I can't decide.
[Saygus V²] Zinguy:
Argo. Argo f*%# yourself.

It just came to me while cooking dinner. Saygus is a CIA hack like the Argo exploit to get the embassy employees out of Iran in the '70s. It explains everything. I mean, c'mon, SQGL headphones? The NSA must be trying to get a software virus into China.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
YP2's IGG page says that the US version has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12 and 20. This fully covers TMO and some AT&T (missing AT&T B17 for whatever reason).
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Shhhhh! Not so loud!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
We are at your doorsteps - please open ASAP.

NSA
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
A befitting reply you made.

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We can simply smile..

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I also agree with you ,friend..
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
Holy Crap.....New Tweets....with no info.....
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I kinda feel bad for whoever is writing the tweets since it stirs up such a **** storm. But I guess they continue to bring it on themselves with a general apathetic treatment of their customers and core market.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Wow. Just got an email today that my refund has been processed and it will take 1-2 days to be released and another 5-10 days to show up on my card. I submitted for a refund ELEVEN (11) DAYS AGO. It took them a week and a half just to begin processing it. Yeah, this company definitely has issues.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Ok

I guess I'll stay away from the forum until the phone ships. At this point its mostly people griping about the company and bad mouthing anyone that has stuck it out. Hopefully we will be able to discuss the device soon. Until then everyone enjoy.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
That was 5 business days ago. Financial transactions don't run on calendar days. I'm all for legitimate skepticism, but don't troll.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
There's a difference between trolling and stating the facts. And the facts are, it took them 11 days (6 business days, not 5) to simply initiate a refund request. I realize it takes time for it to process once they submit it, but it took them that long just to do that. That's ridiculous.
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
they probably have alot to process
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
I'm sure that's true, but every other company I've dealt with where I've requested a refund the CS rep would process it immediately, and the only delay has been the wait for it to actually go back to the card. I don't think I've ever had it take more even a day, much less several days, for the request itself to be processed. It's just another indication of how disorganized and incompetent they are, as was the fact I never once got an email in the month between my order and my cancellation, while some people apparently got multiple emails. I keep hoping this is all just growing pains, and as the company progresses it will improve, but I suspect it's more just apathy and a complete lack of leadership, which won't likely improve over time. We keep hearing over and over about how Chad is upset about how things are being handled, but if he truly is upset, why do things remain the same?

Maybe Saygus should team up with Google. I think if they had the financial support and production and marketing experience of Google behind them, with their design philosophy, that could be a killer combo. I think a Saygus-built Nexus device could potentially be amazing (assuming Google didn't make them drop the SD card slots), and Google could provide the means for them to actually meet their goals. Of course, for that to happen, Google would probably have to buy them, like they did with Motorola, and then they would probably have too much control over the phone and ruin it.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
got my refund but they did not give me the full amount. i paid AUS740 and they refunded me with AUS693.. that's bs..
[Saygus V²] awolbriggy:
in the interests of being fair (which I realise is not in the spirit of this forum) - it is a U.S. company, so that statement is meaningless, because exchange rates change....

On March 18 (say), 1 USD = 1.3133 AUD,

So 549 yank dollars would cost $721 Aussie Aussie oi oi dollars...

On June 18 (say), 1 USD = 1.2448 AUD, so for the same amount of green backs, you only get $683.40 Skippy bucks...

So you know....

That might be the exact same amount of USD they gave you back...

You cannot expect companies to pay exchange rate differences, that would be crazy. Just saying...
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Exchange rate fluctuations plus bank/credit card loading (fees for foreign exchange transactions). The phone was priced in US dollars, not Aussie dollars.

This is one thing that actually is nothing to do with Saygus.
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
suprise

on an optimistic note - we never found out what the positive surprise was meant to be?

my guess is an 805 or 808 snapdragon,that would make this the optimum phone for a june/july release, the wait is killing me :(, i'm finding it hard to keep believing :(, but this is the ONLY phone (vaporware of not) on the market I can find that i actually want...
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Indeed, that would be a great positive surprise, but don't bet on it...

It'd be way too late in the production cycle to incorporate such a major change as an upgraded processor.
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
suprise

yes i know i'm optimistic :), too much , but i suspect they never really started the production cycle from what i have seen/heard and it might be something we would pay that mentioned extra 50 USD for?

big marketing campaign in June/july with 801 processor, now that the 805/808 seem thermally stable could possibly depress sales?

i think the 3d screen although innovate would clash with their super edge to edge contrast driven super screen
[Saygus V²] pah2602:
Could be that it will ship with lollipop
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Much more possible, doesn't cost them anything.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Let's just assume that V2 is released sometime within the next four weeks, and it does not have any major issues or problems.

Do you think it can become a success financially speaking?

I believe that many power users and advanced users will find it interesting, but is that enough for Saygus to make any money from it? Is this segment of consumers large enough to make a product like this profitable? I suspect that many average or light users will just cross it off their list because of its thickness and design.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
When I refunded a UK Amazon Prime membership, the foreign exchange fee was refunded as well. Not sure if this is the norm or because Amazon just does it, but figure it's worth mentioning since Saygus may or may not. It's possible they did and the only difference in the amount refunded was due to the exchange rate.

Doubtful, since they're so intent on shipping the highest quality product (supposedly), and Lollipop is notorious for having lots of issues, not the least of which is poor battery life. They would have to ship with 5.1.1, which is very unlikely as I can't imagine they've had the time to get it tweaked for the V2, considering how they can't seem to do anything else. But then, if they're truly almost vanilla, maybe they could have. Would be nice. I agree a processor change is almost certainly not going to happen.
[Saygus V²] mbfdias:
By the time the v2 is going to be ready, it will ship with android M probably
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Interesting question. One thing to keep in mind is it would probably be recommended by a lot of people to their less tech-savvy friends and family in place of other flagships, though many will still recommend cheaper phones. Undoubtedly Saygus is selling it for a fairly high profit margin to make up for a lack of volume, and they may still end up losing money on it, but that could just be the cost of getting their foot in the door. It could be seen as an investment so if/when they were to make the V3, they would have more brand recognition, and hopefully be known for making a high-quality phone. I don't think their sales will be anywhere near Samsung's, Apple's, or even LG's, but possibly approaching the level of Sony or OPO. I think they had the possibility to do quite well. Now, though, with all their issues, I doubt it. Even if they release in the next few weeks, and the phone is great, they've lost a lot of sales, due to people giving up and buying something else, people not wanting to risk doing business with them, and people by then waiting for the fall releases. They've really hurt themselves, and their sales will only be a fraction of what they would have been. We'll never know just how much of an impact this had, and only time will tell if it will cause them to cut their losses and get out of the phone business or if they'll still be able to continue on.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
Whoever is running the Twitter account is getting a bit snarky. Still haven't seen a single consumer ready phone and they keep talking about how magical they are and how they've created something amazing. They need to give us updates on the factory, what stage the phones are at, building? Laminating the digitizer? Parts picker? Etc. No we just get more demos on wireless video and how great they are and how they have surprises. It's all bull**** and updates that contain no new information.

I still want to see the phone come out and see reviews, but I don't know how you guys are this patient. If this was a kickstarter I could see this communication as normal as they are just amateurs, but it's not a kickstarter, and supposedly Saygus are "Pros" (which is proving to be BS like their twitter feed)
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
"power user", in simple terms BlackBerry.

BB keeps trying to make it on their own, slowly but surely they are losing the battle. Saygus is already behind the 8 ball, and it's second showing is not faring any better then it's first atm.
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
There are still blackberry users out there who simply prefer what they bring to the table such that certain business folks dear to me still use Q5s and maybe the Classic. There exists no other viable phone that still has a physical keyboard. In the same thought as those of us who prepaid for the Saygus phone, there just is not another phone that offers what Saygus is striving for. For Blackberry, history shows they still have a dominating presence outside of the UK/US. Whether Saygus can carve out their own sustainable niche is up to future discussions.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I see your point

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[Saygus V²] SyCoREAPER:
Each has it's purpose but Android is on the rise. Breeds like Blackberry are simply dying off because of the lack of innovation and promise. Apple is just a rip-off artist and Microsoft, well they have some underhanded plan in mind.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
click the dudes head:silly:
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Apple has always had some underhanded plans. That's why windows XP and earlier OS's started crashing as soon as someone installed iTunes or any other apple software on it
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
You can't compare blackberry to android, you're pitting one company against dozens of companies. BTW the blackberry passport is more innovative than 90% of android phones made in the last 3 years
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I laughed so hard at how small Blackberry's share is that I gave myself hiccups. I stand corrected.
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
Can anyone fill me on all the non English based tweets on the Saygus site?. There seems to be an influx of glowing reviews and commentaries about the V2 about every 2nd night. Are these for real or are they designed to be fillers ? To me them seem awfully coincidental when there is no credible info to share from the mother company. Thoughts?
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Your asking here about what's happening on twitter:silly:

Why not ask on twitter?
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
just use the twitter translate feature. press the tweet and choose translate. (I did see that there COULD be a production photo revealed soon)
[Saygus V²] vladser:
Anyone knows passed Saygus V2 certified Bluetooth SIG and FCC or not? As i understand it - is not. Then what everyone is waiting for?
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Bluetooth SIG search (here) shows nothing for Saygus. FCC Authorization Search for XP3 (Saygus' FCC grantee code, here) only shows the V1. So nothing yet, if ever.
[Saygus V²] vladser:
I don't have an account in Twitter, ask anyone this question in Twitter

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V1 was certified, though the market never saw that miracle smartphone, say nothing about V2 in the foreseeable future, maybe ever lucky V3.
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
Not only that but the V2 is technically the V3 as they have already stated. As it was V1, V LTE, V2. Which means this is there 3rd failed to market device. Naming it V2 is another massive step of deception as well as they don't want in peoples minds that they already failed twice before.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Considering their steps so far, I don't think they are thinking it through so far to "decept peoples minds". I just think they are going along with whatever comes to their minds and seems convenient at the moment. Including the name.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Pictures from the production line

Saygus recently posted two pictures on Twitter, showing one of the final units, which are manufactured right now:

Team Saygus:

See: https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/606117993945300994

The shipping/release of the final devices isn't that far away anymore. :)
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
November 6th on the clock. And did they remove the fractal antenna?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Fractal antenna is still there, these pictures were taken prior to that manufacturing step.

This is reply from Saygus
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
To bad picture of the screen is fake and same one they used some time ago..
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Apt answer!
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
This is definitely a papercut on the screen. It has the old date and never the 445 ppi from the spec sheet. ;)

I guess this device has no running OS yet and that's why they placed the papercut there.

We will get more details next week and maybe they also have the new shipping date for us by this time.

As far as I've been informed, they will also provide some of the first final devices to well-known tech reviewers on YouTube.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
they only change the casing of the old prototype phone..lol..
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Its more likely they're not ready to reveal the 3Dscreen yet. We've seen the OS running in some videos. It just crashed when they used the camera.

I like the new V logo with the hash marks rather than the V with the number 2 on the front. Looks more refined. However, I like their old spacey logo on the back better.
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
It was asked because the interest and info invariably is shared between both sites both those interested in Saygus. Is this not a forum to ask and share thoughts together?
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Never thought about getting refund because V² was never going to be my daily driver. Need larger screen for this short person. But nexus 6 is on sale $150 off on Google play store

https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6
[Saygus V²] SyCoREAPER:
Beat me to it. The screen looks very printed on Cardboard-ish
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
That must be the surprise. The V2 will ship with Cardboard which definitely means Saygus has teamed up with Google to create VR handsets!
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
The lies just get deeper and deeper.... From Saygus 10 minutes ago.