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[Saygus V²] NexVision:
The problem is the chat is based out of some company overseas or it is a autobot. I was leaning towards a bot but I threw some curveball comments and it understood (which is rare for a bot). So I will go with a overseas chat center (there are tons) and for the most part they know absolutely nothing. I am sticking it out till Friday because at this point y not. However I do not believe anything coming from this company anymore. I am still on the fence about this Andreas person as well as I find it extremely hard to believe that he is able to get any info from anyone as well, however stranger things have happened. The company has literally been called out on numerous avenues and has yet to respond to anything so why they would give Andreas any info is the puzzling part

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out on Friday either people start getting tracking numbers, we get another delay email, or the site evaporates and a bunch of calls to CC companies begin.

I know Chad has stated on twitter he doesn't like the term VAPORWARE however if the shoe fits................. Again only time will tell.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Andreas is one of Saygus fans. He supported them by creating a new Saygus webpage. I highly doubts that he knows more information than us. Most of what he claimed before was not true. I just realized that when he yesterday answered a question in Saygus Facebook fan page that he contacted Chad Sayers and knew lots of info from him, while I kept trying to contact Saygus management along the last week without any output till the lady who replied my phone call told me Chad, Tim, and Chris are on vacation. Everyone can try this and see!
[Saygus V²] pah2602:
Lads, ye all need to take a giant chill pill
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Samuel Rhodes "The new logo will be revealed on the 22nd and We are sending out the new emails with payment link in a few hours''
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
We could possibly have ship details within next 24h pplz. Am I confident in that? 50/50 but I still believe in them :).
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
They use LiveChat (livechatinc.com). They are not bots, but are "cyborgs" - the service displays your question to them AS YOU TYPE IT, not when you hit "send" at the end. The service also analyzes what you type, and while you are typing it is displaying the operator a list of matching pre-canned responses. Useful feature, when the operator gets hundreds of similar questions. (like "are you really shipping on 22nd?")

:)
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
Anyone care to take a shot at the riddle from this post of mine ?? :p

http://xdaforums.com/saygus-v2/gene...-one-maybe-t2996443/post60844544#post60844544
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
New tweets... US shipping 8 to 12 dollars
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
I will do it.

Just like Saygus had a "prototype" phone, Sony had "prototype" sensors long before the mass release in April. Normally those prototypes are given to OEMs to try out and test before the mass release.

It is also possible Saygus originally used some other sensor, and at a later stage decided to change to this latest&greatest Sony sensor. This may have actually explained the delay.

And the third possibility, the sony sensor bit of info is just an unsubstantiated rumor, and the final phone would have some no-name crappy sensor, paired with same quality crappy lens.

And a forewarning: if you do receive a shipping notification on Friday, don't expect to receive the phone on Tue. I am 75% sure they will pre-generate shipping labels for all orders in one day, and then actually start packaging phones and applying the labels to them. The actual physical shipment maybe up to a week or more away from the time you receive your tracking number,
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
If they do "THIS" ...

IT WILL BE THE END OF THEIR BUSINESS !!

Mark my words !!! :)
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
OK, so pre write a line of message you want answers for. Once they are online copy and paste text to chat. If you receive answers...

This will prove your theory yay or nay;)
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
This is true if you're using your own money, but at ~$500 each with ~10,000 people, that's $5,000,000, so at 0.85% APR, which is the highest available right now to my knowledge, that's $42,500 interest annually. Over 3 months, that's ~$10k. If they used the money to play the stock market, and made, say, 6%, it would be ~$75k. Granted, the former wouldn't be enough to make it worth it, and the latter likely wouldn't either, not to mention it would be very risky and open them up to a lot more criminal charges, but then, who knows. The more likely scenario, to me, is that the ~$5M gets put into an offshore account and the company files bankruptcy. I just wish I could decide whether I think this is complete incompetence, a criminal scheme, or they just flat out don't give a crap what their customers and others think of them and all they care about is making their phone.

On another note, another thing about this that has been bugging me is the name. Who thought V^2 was a good name. That only leaves one decent (and not very good, IMHO) name for a successor, the V^3. Then what? The V to the fourth? Seems they didn't leave themselves a lot of options in the future with the naming convention.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
They probably trying to mislead competition from getting hold of their fcc/trademark details that would reveal crucial information which would give competition an advantage. They are a small smartphone company in a big smartphone dominated world. They gotta tread lightly.
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
Maybe that's why they announced rebranding that is coming on Friday. They will probably change v^2 to v*2, so for the #4 it will be "v by 4" , not "v to the fourth".

These small companies don't have well thought through long term plans and strategies.

One thing I do not get is why they want to bother charging US customers $8-12 for shipping. That requires a bunch of emails sent, a bunch of new transactions processed, a bunch of orders reconfirmed, etc. Should have just swallowed that $8-12, made their own lives easier, and just shipped all US orders for free.

I just hope this phone delivers as expected, especially in the camera department.
[Saygus V²] Purest:
TEAM VAPORWARE!

Dear V-Squared Customer,

As you know, the Saygus team has created the world’s most advanced smartphone and we are ambitious in this venture. We know our customers around the world are excited to receive the V-squared, and we wanted to provide you with an update on the progress.

The phones are on the manufacturing line, but will not be ready to ship globally on May 22 as we had planned. We just concluded a review of the status of all critical factors in preparation for shipment. We still need to finalize some quality assurance and network testing so when we put the V-Squared in your hands (which will be soon), it will be the phone of your dreams.

Saygus is dedicated to delivering the highest-quality smartphone.

Thank you very much for your continued patience. We will update you with more information as soon as available.

Best regards,

The Saygus Team
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
Got the same email minutes ago..

Those F%$%kers have the balls to tweet few times

TODAY

and left an impression that we were

"ON SCHEDULE"

!!

enough swerving !!!... I'm requesting a refund ASAP due to principles alone !!

damn it !!
[Saygus V²] Purest:
Well we at least know what the V stands for in their name. They were rubbing it in our faces the entire name.

Vaporware 2
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Lol, just got that emailq too and I canceled almost two months ago! Not surprised. The ship is officially sinking. Sorry....

Sent from my M8.
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
Or "V will have you a 2-nd time, you naive schmucks"
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
Samuel Rhodes

Support Agent

Samuel Rhodes

Hello. My name is Samuel Rhodes, How can i help you today?

Client

WOW... I got the "infamous" Samuel Rhodes ?? :)

After s many empty promises... I'm ready to pass this venture and here formally requesting my refunds please

The announcement(s) today regarding further delays was the last straw that broke the camel's back !!

are you there ??
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
Thats funny I was just talking to Samuel Rhodes as well. Same time as you and he claims he knows nothing about the email.
[Saygus V²] Purest:
I can only imagine the flood of refund request they're getting, they should've known long ago that they wouldn't have the phones ready by the 22nd, doing this the last few days is insane on their behalf.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I never got this email, but then again, I haven't received any of their emails since my order confirmation.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
[YOUTUBE]KC53cxTn8CY[/YOUTUBE]

:)
[Saygus V²] TheYoungLord:
Surprise

At least now we know one of their surprises is that their incredibly limited updates aren't even entirely truthful. Time for me to attempt to get a refund and walk away.

In better news it looks like a Zenfone 2 or G4 will soon be making its way to me
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
I just did the same searches on the FCC Equipment Authorization Advanced Search page and only found the V1. The first search I did was for Applicant Name "Saygus" and found the V1 which gave me the FCC ID for the V1 which was XP3V1. The first 3 characters of the FCC ID are the Grantee Code so I searched for that and found nothing else. I also tried searching for Product Code V2 (without a Grantee Code) and Equipment Class "PCE-PCS Licensed Transmitter held to ear" and didn't find anything recently that was recently authorized. I even tried searching Equipment Class "PCE-PCS Licensed Transmitter held to ear" with a Final Action Date range of May 1 to 20 and found a ton of smartphones but none of them jumped out at me as being the V2.

If Saygus submits the FCC application then it should have Grantee Code XP3 and possibly an FCC ID of XP3V2. Others have pointed out that they can request confidentiality from the FCC but I've never seen the FCC hide all the documents for an FCC application. If this phone doesn't receive FCC authorization by Friday, May 22 then I doubt they can ship them to customers in the U.S.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Here's a crazy question, is any one staying on board?

I'm jumping ship.
[Saygus V²] shekers:
This is the first thing that comes to my mind...

Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice, shame on me.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i think i'll hang around for the class action lawsuit.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
They are probably going in the promotion tab of your gmail account. You have to drag it into the main inbox
[Saygus V²] scotth324:
I'm done. Better use for my 750 cad. Gonna get a lumia 930. Want to try out windows phone see what it's about. Tired of my crashing z1 compact.
[Saygus V²] Espada04:
I've already recouped from the money they probably cashed out already in February. I'll play their game a little longer before deciding whether it's worth it. The longer it takes for them to deliver it to me the less appealing it becomes as devices like Note 5 or Snapdragon 818/820 processor devices on the horizon.
[Saygus V²] TheYoungLord:
It's pretty incredible how active their Twitter is now that a large amount of refunds are on the line.

Here's hoping Google will announce a new device at I/O.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
a device at I/O???? You'll be waiting longer for that than the V2.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Also, that phone in the Facebook pic looks like to CES model, notice the peeling on the top right corner bezel.

Thanks for posting Andreas!
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
A well-known phone review site has a review of the LG G Flex 2. Snapdragon 810 does appear to suffer quite badly from thermal throttling, so this makes Saygus's decision to stick with last year's SoC a bit better.

Maybe the Snapdragon 808 (2+4 cores) would have been a smart choice, but somehow I doubt we will see that in any shipping devices.
[Saygus V²] bnick22:
I agree with others that this appears to be a fan's page. Are there any social channels that they're talking on right now? The only official company account I've seen is their Twitter account.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Sadly I think that is all. Hang in there everyone! Gotta support competition!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I think they have an instagram account, but I've seen no evidence of new activity.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Saygus replied my email which is sent on February 8. This is their Reply.

Hello,

*Thank you for taking the time to contact us! We apologize for the delayed response. We have been inundated with questions. We are working hard to make sure we respond appropriately and timely to all questions. Thank you for your patience and understanding!
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Yes you are correct. Forgot about that.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
No worries... I have been receiving responses for my enquiries..

Apparently they seem to have quite a few accessories on the line for us..

They have been working hard to make this a success..

Hang on guys.. I am really sure this phone will be a superstar for all of us especially the developers with their awesome rooted access very much easily available!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Good to hear, I was worried about accessories. Thanks for sharing.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Any details on the types of accessories
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Did a search on Amazon for saygus v2 and surprised some stores already have stuff up for it. Albeit the items are generic for any phone but interesting nonetheless.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
The battery back cover and also the Qi-wireless charger... They are working on it..

:)
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm most interested in an independent charger for the extra battery
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Has anyone noticed if this has any type of quick charging?
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I'm pretty sure I saw quick charging in the specs on the website. You could look there.

~ sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
I received a reply from Saygus finally....well it took a week, but that week felt like forever. I was primarily inquiring into the WIHD and the receiver required for it.

Thank you for contacting Saygus. We apologize for the delay in responding to your inquiry, we got a bit backlogged. There has been much excitement around the V² and we’ve been working around the clock to make sure you get the very best smartphone possible. We can hardly wait to begin shipping the amazing “Superphone”.

To answer your question:

The Wi-HD is one of the greatest features on the V². I’ve tried it, and I can tell you it was love at first sight. The ability to transmit from phone to big screen instantly, without setup, without draining the battery or making the phone all hot, and no loss due to compression, is fantastic! We had some fun here at Saygus using the Wi-HD.

The Wi-HD receiver is currently not included with the phone, but we will make it available on the site as we get closer to shipping the phone. It is our intention to have it ready to ship along with the V² so you’ll have the option to buy the accessory and combine the shipping.

The Wi-HD works flawlessly at 1080p 60fps with 7.1 HD Audio, and 3D Support. Officially it is rated for use within 10 meters, but we tested it from more than 20 meters (direct line of sight). It is as if you plugged an HDMI cable to your V².

The receiver uses a 60GHz industry standard and doesn’t have to be made by Saygus. You can find receiver-transmitter pairs on Amazon.com, but the price is a little high (roughly $200 to $400), and with your V² you only need a receiver. Hang tight though, Saygus is developing an affordable receiver to be available on our site as I mentioned.

Just so you know, the 60GHz wavelength does not pass through walls or water. Water absorbs it. If a person passes in front of it, or even just covers the emitter with his/her hand, the signal will be effectively blocked and the image and sound on the TV will pause, but it resumes in the instant it becomes unblocked. This technology is capable of “beam forming” which means it will actively attempt to bounce the signal when a straight line of sight is not available.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
^^Very Cool, thanks for sharing.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Cool info. Can't wait to hear about the price though.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
That's going to be some extra tax for UK customers
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Not only for UK customers... ;)

I would really appreciate, if Saygus could set up a warehouse in UK for example and ship EU orders from there. That would be great and make things easier! :)
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
What a total bummer. I'm so disappointed.
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
how long after your request did you actually got your money back ??

I'd just submitted my ticket for a refund... enough of this swerving...I can handle delays, it's their lying/excuses that pushed me over the edge...by the time they delivered (IF) ... it will be old tech !! :mad::mad::mad:

don't you think they know all this more then a couple of days ?? yet, up until a couple of days ago... they mislead us by letting us think everything is on schedule and other empty promises.

all miff and mum about it until now... they are tweeting like mad ...I called it "damaged control" !!... BUT, too little, too late !!
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
What advantage? The FCC just tests the radios for potential interference, not the rest of the device specs. There's nothing "crucial" about radio tests. If they wanted to keep their information confidential for a while, they can submit a form for that, but an entry for the V2 would still be created in the FCC database.

However, there's still nothing listed, while means that either A) they're registering it under a non-Saygus name, or B) it hasn't been submitted for testing yet. Considering that nothing really matching the V2's description has shown up in the FCC filing database yet...
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
"Couple of days"??? They twitted earlier TODAY, all positive, not a single hint of a potential delay.

And their "delay" email said something like "the phones are on the assembly line". If they planned to ship on Friday, they should already have had the phone in the States, ready to inventorize and ship. How The Freaking f*ck did they not tell us that the phones were still on the assembly line? How amateurish is it, to keep up our hopes the whole week, when there was still no sign of the phones leaving the assembly lines? They are complete and utter idiots at production process.

If they fail this time, or deliver a mediocre product, their careers in the industry will be doomed.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Ya know what's funny after all this hubbub the last 3 months? Even if/when the phone gets shipped, could you imagine what your experience is going to be like if the phone has dead pixels on arrival? Or the camera dies? Or speakers blow? Or "waterproofing" tanks and destroys your phone when it gets a sneeze spray on it?

Saygus today has shown me all I need to know about their potential product and future support.

Strung along, dude.
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
not jumping...

ALREADY JUMPED

:)( right after I'd received the latest email ) :mad::mad:
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
I'll keep my eye on it. There isn't any other phone that I'd even consider buying so I don't have much choice.

I refuse to buy a phone that doesn't have waterproofing, front facing speakers, fingerprint reader, expandable storage and a removable battery.
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
A Little Help, Please!!!

I just contacted my CC outfit to ask them to reverse the payment I made on Feb 3. The question arose as to whether I was premature in asking them to try to reverse the payment because Saygus apparently did NOT promise a date earlier than May 22.

I've saved every email from Saygus, and I do not find anything specifically indicating an earlier delivery date.

Was there an earlier delivery date (before May 22), and does somebody have that in writing???

If so, can you post on this forum, please.

Thanks, Enzo
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I've considered the passport and note 4, I really want the v2 but I need some kind of estimate from them.
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
AFAIK, the earliest concrete date given was May 22nd. The only other way it was presented was "early 2015", but this is not concrete.

Why are you doing it through your credit card company? Did you already try contacting Saygus?
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
I'm a retired attorney, and in my opinion, there are compelling technical reasons why this would probably not qualify for certification as a class action. The most feasible avenue, again just an opinion, would be to contact (in writing) the District Attorney for Salt Lake County. His name and address are available online.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
Oh man I knew this was gonna happen. I don't think this bodes well for the company.
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
I contacted Saygus, and they sent me a copy of my email to them, to which they appended a five digit number. No further indication as to whether or not there will be a refund, "if or when."
[Saygus V²] Espada04:
I believe when you finished the pre-order they showed the expected delivery at the time to be 6-8 weeks after you pre-ordered. but they never made a concrete ship date until March 17th when they announced it to be May 22nd. But they also decided to give us free "$229" ear buds as a jester of appreciation for the patience for their delay or something along that line. So this is technically their second delay?

Maybe this will eventually lead to free shipping? One can only hope I guess. lol
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Like many of you, I felt like the V2 held so much promise without compromise. I've been following the new device releases and even looking at last year's flagships to purchase but always with doubt, thinking, what about the V2?

Now I feel I can move forward and find a device that works for me NOW and be satisfied psychologically.

My Alcatel Onetouch Idol 3 arrives on my front porch from Amazon on Friday, price $199. Also bought an HTC one m8 for $299 during Best Buys sale but may return that order if the idol 3 is as nice as advertised. The LG G4 will be mine this fall when I can get it used on Swappa for $400 or less.

It's a great time to be a smartphone enthusiast and someday we will get our "ultimate" device. Live for today, tomorrow is not promised!!

Sent from my M8 Windows.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Just accentuates my point. Different branding would make it difficult to search for it. However Ive done extensive search for all transmitter held to ear (pcs) entries to fcc since oct 2014, found nothing related. Maybe a reason why the phone is delayed?
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
It's easier to search with the 60GHz frequency since there are only a few devices using that frequency. Not surprisingly, there is nothing that matches the V2 in the fcc database.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Yes, I thought about that too, but like you didn't get much from that.

---------- Post added at 11:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 PM ----------

Also no new phone brandings (trademarks) from UTAH or from anywhere from the USA or SHENZHEN recently.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Lol
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I'm still in, I figure I've got until the g4 comes out to ask for a refund or hope for a shipped v2.

Edit: I see the lynching has started......
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Hello. My name is Samuel Rhodes, How can i help you today?

Client

hi

i just recived am email about delay again in shipping day!!!!!

Do u know for how long this delay will be?

Samuel Rhodes

I'm very sorry but as much as I would like to help or provide information, I really cannot confirm anything from my end as the management hasn't provided us any. Please try contacting us back tomorrow for more information.

Client

ok thanks
[Saygus V²] vladser:
medium.com / [MENTION=224890]stevek[/MENTION]reyos / the-rise-and-fall-of-kreyos-new-ac4e2d847964 Something that reminds me
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I too believe Andreas was acting in good faith. Don't kill the messenger.

Sent from my M8.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Got the same exact reply.