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[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
exactly, if you remember they had only some issue with the antenna 22nd of May. So normally they should have a lot of produced phones right? Maybe with old hardware, but they should have.

I never heard ever from a company who is lieing like that. Expect a turkish company who would build the first turkish car called "IMZA" they take so much money of people and everything is away. Millions of millions dollar.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
On May 22nd the phones had only antenna and this antenna had some issue. Later on they started to add some more things - CPU, cameras, display, battery and each one of these elements had some issues. Now they are adding some software called Android and have lot of issues with it.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
so it means, they start at beginning to make the phone ;) all parts have issues.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I don't know how someone could ever trust those liars after almost a year of clear lying, cheating, and deception?

Do people still believe this phone is a real thing?
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
exactly
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Sure! It is Dream Phone! Who doesn't believe in a Dream?
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
hey, Huey, where you been all these years?
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Assuming they are liars, and V^2 is a scam, like "everyone" seems to believe. I doubt their motivation is to run away with the preorder money. Its only 1.3 MM USD, and this is hardly enough to cover the cost of arranging the scam. Creating the prototypes, making the videos, attending to CES, renting the office and so on. And it would be a lot of hassle and bad reputation for them to not refund the customers, and it would be very risky. I'm not able to see how this makes sense. If its a scam it strikes me as a weird one. Maybe there could be some other motivation, like running away with money from investors, but I don't think this will end with them just suddenly running away with the pre-order money.

I agree its a bit unsettling that we never see any clear proof that they are really working on the phone, but at the same time its not obvious what they would gain from arranging a scam like this. Also, as I see it there is no solid proof that Saygus has been deliberately lying. There has been some misleading information, but its not possible to say if they where intentionally trying to deceive anyone. The delays

could

be just be normal delays, and not "planned delays".

If anyone has any proof that Saygus has been lying, then I suggest they post it here. It doesn't add much to the discussion to repeat over and over "Saygus is lying, saygus is lying" without providing any solid proof.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
"Shipping May 22" twitted May 18 is good enough for you as solid proof?
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Indiegogo says:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/saygus-v-squared#/

August - September 2015 - Assembly and QA Testing

Fall 2015 - Shipment

(Winter begin on 01.12.2015)

;) would be the next big lie.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
No, its not good enough, because we don't know anything about what really happened. Maybe the person posting this tweet believed they where going to ship? Maybe the manufacturer told them they where would start shipping?

No denying its weird, and no one is claiming otherwise, but it's not solid proof. It could not be used as proof in a lawsuit.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
the proof is in this thread, on twitter, been posted to and removed from the company website, on the indiegogo site and anyplace else where company reps have made statements that were untrue. i get the feeling you have not read much of this thread, gotten any saygus emails, followed the saygus twitter feed, or exposed yourself to very much of the saygus hype. i remember reading a saygus email in late may of this year with great anticipation that the phones were to be shipped in a few days, these were the very phones that had been built and boxed and all saygus needed was an address confirmation from me. although there were probably others prior to this point i had let them go by un noticed due to my desire to take them all as fact. in any event all you got to do is spend the time reading. it's all here and there.
[Saygus V²] efrant:
Winter technically begins on Dec 22nd... :D
[Saygus V²] zelendel:
Ok guys really? How long are you gonna beat a dead horse? I think it is plain by now to anyone that the device has a 20% of ever seeing the light of day, and even if it does then it will be too late to be anything but a running joke.

Are they lieing? Maybe, but at this point who cares. If you still have your order in and have not canceled it yet then you will most likely hold out as long as possible and get the device if it ever sees the light of day. If not then you have moved on and there is no point in coming in here and complaining about them making another false statement.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
So in other words: you don't have any proof?
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
All what you wrote above means that you have no knowledge in EMS industry, where I'm working for past 18 years. We are manufacturing the smartphones for Huawei, HTC, Motorola and others. So once you'll have at least 1/10 of my expirience you'll understand that this was a lie from the begining and this twit is a proof for intentional deception by Saygus company, since twitter account operated by Saygus employee and company is responsible for it. We are not in church and can't use words like "believe". There is simple fact - you have in manufactured or not. And they hadn't. And lied that it is ready to ship.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
The metrological winter beginn on first of december.

But if you talk about the human winter beginning its 22nd:D:D:good:
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
what is your problem? do you really lack the skills to comprehend the written word? do you get a jolly by acting this way? you showed up in april and somehow you know everything and no one else knows what they have experienced? please, get a life. be a member of the forum. just read, it's all right in front of you. just read it.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
You are really so funny man.. Thank you for the laugh dose you gave this morning.

NO SOLID PROOF THEY ARE LYING!

Seriously?

What about the May 22nd confirmation?

It is confirmed many times by Twitter, website, and email to all customers. Are those official channels or not?

Right before that, They sent a very clear fake shipping cost list that was taken from one of the shipping carrier and claimed this be be the shipping cost of the phone. They didn't include the VAT in Europe, and they also included North Korea in this list, where shipping electronics to this country is prohibited by that government.

Do you know when they exposed their lies and started new lying series?

It was May 20th. Just two days before the official shipping date. It happened to encounter with the last minute manufacturing problem, so they didn't know about it until the manufacturer told them too late about it.

BUT hold on! .... What happened to the FCC and Google certification at that time?. How they were so confident about shipping without making this FCC and only two days left for starting phones shipping ? Oh yeah!.. They just felt the manufacturer would cause a problem and they also delayed the work on these certifications because they do have a high pitch of feeling toward the future.

Do you really feel good?

The most recent set of lies was "Shipping soon by the end of October" "Shipping confirmed on October 31st".

Oh forgot! this came from Twitter, and the twitter guy, website, Indiegogo, Mindy, the cute Samuel are not representing Saygus. So, this company doesn't have an official channel that represents them, and all these lies don't came from the real Saygus.. You only could try and take the official announcement from Saygus God, which I don't know who is he!

If you were a member in the very loyal Saygus fan group ( from your posts nature, you must be), you would know that Alicia De Lion (Shareholders Relationship Manager) posted lots of lies and empty promises from August till few days back when she suddenly left that group; She even talked about the next generation V phone and how awesome it would be. Definitely, Mr. Andreas Erhard does not acknowledge her fake promises when she promised him to get his review unit weeks ago. He just keep talking about Saygus the way like Saygus is a very well reputable company, like Apple or Samsung or Nokia.

Dude, get a life and read more about what happening around you.

Defending Saygus this way and saying they didn't lie, doesn't work anymore. This place is for experts in this topic. We are here since almost a year.

Thank you buddy and have a good day. God bless you!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I just have one simple quiestion - how the phones could be produced in May when Saygus just received cameras in September. Think about it.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I'm definitely curious what Mormon connections Saygus has for it to be awarded Best of State Award. Somehow it has gained "achievement in their endeavors, use of innovative approaches or methods, and contribution to a better quality of life in Utah."

Saygus actually hasn't ever produced a physical product, and they only exist on paper, Twitter, Facebook, and some 24/7 live chat dude.
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
I would give zero credibility to the Best of State award. The award process is run by a private organization, is a based on self nominations with self reporting, and requires application fees. In other words, the Best of State award is business that nominators/award recipients, such as Saygus, use to promote their own business.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I was surprised then to see so many news outlets pick up the story, even Reuters and tech sites.

Such a great example of how damaging media can be with the absence of intellectual investigative journalism. This all seems like a very well-orchestrated plan by Saygus.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Those examples seem good to be true
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
A french review that I saw earlier today says that the software on the devices at MWC is not final and that one of the things they unfortunately could not test yet were the 2 cameras. So not much has changed since CES by the looks of it, that's definitely bad news for the less patient among us. Even further bad news because they were apparently told a final version was 6 to 8 weeks away, so I can't see how they will be shipping units at the end of the month.

Knowing all that I'm still hesitant to order mine eventhough I'm pretty much in love with those specs. ;)

URL for those interested: www 01net com /editorial/647535/saygus-v2-le-smartphone-ultra-haut-de-gamme-video

(First post so I couldn't make a proper link)
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Looking like its better just to cancel and wait until full release, its not like I gained anything from my pre-order like a discount or anything I was to late for that...:eek:
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
If they can really only produce 2000 devices a week (I can't believe that) and if this device is really as good as its specs, then the delivery delays could pile up very quickly. So that's definitely a reason to pre-order.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
I like this bit:"Sa réduction de bruit à trois micros a été conçue pour faire taire un environnement aussi bruyant que des tirs d'armes automatiques.."

"Its noise reduction system with three microphones has been designed to quieten an environment as noisy as automatic weapons fire.." Slight exaggeration perhaps?
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
No it's not... check the sound samples posted earlier. There is actually one with automatic weapon fire on the background. :)
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Wait.... you are right. On the other hand, is it just me, or do the noise-reduced samples sound very muffled compared with the noisy samples? It seems as though quite a lot of signal gets chucked out with the noise, and in some cases I actually prefer the noisy version and find it easier to hear the person speaking.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm fine with waiting an extra 2-3 weeks for a finished product. I don't NEED a new phone, I just liked the V2. I'd much rather they take their time and get it right than release a buggy device with rushed software.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Inofficial shipping date released

Hey guys, I just got an information about the expected shipping date from a guy living in Utah, who called Saygus today.

See the original tweet here: https://twitter.com/RyanSwatch1971/status/572501037061304320

EDIT: The original tweet quoted here magically vanished, but it was definitely there before! If someone wants a proof, I did a screenshot of it on my laptop.

I even read that the V² will support the 200GB microSD cards and thus support up to 464GB of storage in total.

The source is in german, so you may need Google Translate:

http://www.com-magazin.de/news/smartphone/saygus-v2-maximal-464-gbyte-speicher-895878.html
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
Fully agree...

Although I do NEED a new phone as mine bricked itself this week. Bit weird shopping for a new device when your mind is already set on its successor. :p

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This German reviewer seems to be perfectly in line with me. Very excited about the specs, but still skeptical and fully aware that it's way too early to tell if the device will be able to live up to its promise.

Also interesting to know that apart from the camera's apparently also the fractal antenna and the 3D surround sound are not working yet on the devices on show.

Link: curved DOT de /news/videos/saygus-v2-angetestet-wie-super-ist-das-super-smartphone-225254
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Sadly almost all reviews out there focus only on the specs. :(

Some note to curved.de: It's completely sponsored by the mobile network company BASE, so it's often not a quite good source when it comes to impartiality... ;)

But I find it interesting to hear, that they mention june as final release date (presumably for those who haven't pre-ordered).

Even the review from MobileGeeks (http://www.mobilegeeks.de/saygus-v2-das-ausstattungs-monster-in-der-finalen-version-im-hands-on/) doesn't go into detail.

Thanks for contributing! :good:
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
One review states that saygus says it won't be ready until June.
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
Most likely no biggie when it comes to the Saygus V2.

I actually found the article way more interesting then the video, it's an opinionated view rather then yet another rehash of all the features.

Which we've all probably seen about a thousand times by now. (The guys in this thread I mean, not the general public)

Yeah, I meant to write that in my post but somehow I forgot. :confused:
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Wow June? If that's the case for us is anyone really going to wait that long? This price for an 801 I'm not sure it's worth it. But I'll give then at least until the end of the month to sound something to decide.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I submitted a ticket asking if June was now the expected ship estimate, I'll post anything I hear in response.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I have to agree with this. Honestly, the longer this goes on, the colder my feet get about my pre-order. It's mainly due to the lack of communication, and how they completely dropped off of social media after the pre-order drive. Then last week they told us to stay tuned for exciting news that week. A week passed, and nothing?

It really worries me that they're this close to the first ship date, and the software is still so buggy. That's not a lot of progress since CES.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I can't really image, they will let us wait for it until june. I'm more thinking about june being the "public" release date, when the V² may be availible in local stores or at the carriers.

But I'm a bit confused right now, since the tweet (with an info about pre-order shipping) I referenced some hours ago has been removed and I'm searching for an explanation to that mystic. :confused:

Not sure, if they will tell you anything concrete, because otherwise they would have already published it by themselves. Anyways, it's worth trying! :good:
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I agree, I knew there might be a few hiccups still but had no idea HALF of the phones features still weren't working... Cameras, 3-d audio, fractal antenna, fingerprint scanner. I guess that explains why they keep pushing that wiHD streaming, it seems like the only working feature on the phone.

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You're most likely right, I'll get some scripted response about expected in 6 to 8 weeks. I don't even mind if it's going to be June really, I just want the company to be on the level and transparent. I think a lot fewer people will bail out if they feel they are getting honest and justified information about any delays in shipping.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Nothing bothers me more than when a company gives an expected ship date and then doesn't follow through. I believe most of the time they know if they will really be able to meet that ship date or not. Just post I'm coming months instead of you really don't know.. Ug...

So what alternatives are people looking at if you don't get this? I hate Samsung, but I'm not going to lie the galaxy s6 is the first galaxy that I really like the look of. So sad there's no removable battery or sd card. Not feeling the m9 right now... I am still eye balling the Asus zen phone 2, but who knows when that will really come out.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
I think im out guys. June is too far away and we haven't heard anything from them. I can really use the money too being a college student. Who knows how long it'll take to get my refund now...
[Saygus V²] noci2:
Well i have been in another rollercoaster project the Pandora palmtop....

Fact is they are a tiny company,so they have to book fab time somewhere if they miss the window because of one missing component you can get a reschedule a few month later (and maybe even a fine for being ;ate)... There the problem was with part of the boards, by the time the boards were mass produced the memory for the CPU they needed was not on sale anymore, they needed to buy new memory, missed a slot, the prototype didn't work as expected because a resistor needed to be different because of a wifi antenna issue

then the housing producer went on new year holiday in china, making them miss another window when finaly the mass production could start the boards were corroded and unusable (1 year in storage).....

There had been delays because a fab slot was giving to a large phone producer.... that wanted to make 10000 phones... so this 1000 unit order was not as important.....

So if you go with such a small numbers production (yes 2K is small) you mostly end up at then end of a line or with the short straw...

The Pandora crew was fairly open in what was happening, and after a year and a half some guys were working very hard to get to a solution as money will and did drain if one doesn't take into account that redesigns need to be made... and built. newer and faster versions were later on built.

And the systems works as meant. A usable mini computer the size of a nintendo II or 3d.

Maybe the Saygus peope should contact them on howto handle issues in with production in planning & reality and how to tell about it.

It would definitely help to get a timeline with milestones to be met with an estimated date of completion and later the actual completion date when completed. Then any progress would be visible. And Saygus cannot be compared with Samsung et al. Those have team of designer that only tweak existing models (some a bit newer) First build 10K units and then start marketing..... Quite a different design concept. Few years back HTC had the same issues with their first phone, which was also the game changer when it came out. More or less the same issues.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
2000 order was the maximum number of orders that Saygus reached. It is the sum of early bakers and Indiegogo (the majority of these orders came from the pre-order stage).

Taking into consideration that the majority of early bakers have cancelled their orders + the one in Indiegogo, I highly doubt that Saygus is currently having more than 500 order left.

This company is going down very soon, and their team clearly knows that.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Saygus has already replied to this with another blatant lie: "We are smartphone specialists that have launched many, phones." (twit from May 21).
[Saygus V²] noci2:
Well they may be smartphone specialists, that says nothing about their capabilities to manipulate FAB's or organize build projects where you need more than one discipline, like case builders, mould builders .... and manage that all builders still follow specs and not change a little tiny part because it will fit better.....

And they obviously lack a lot in the public communication skills department.

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Well one has to buy electronics components by the 1000.... and book them months ahead and pay them before they are sent so 1000 CPU, 1000 Memory sets, 1000 connector type X, 1000 USB 3 plugs, 1000 batteries, 1000 antennae, 1000 screens 1000 boxes, 1000..... , 1000 Mobo's and some components even by 10000 (resistors) etc. , and to expect a yield of 95% is good.

so of those 1000 , 50 will be waste because of misalignments failing components , some may be revived after rework...

And nice that you do know numbers..... like only 500 orders left... It does help if discussion is about facts and not extrapolations of what ppl think.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Speaking for facts, what facts do you have about Saygus?

How many units did they make so far?

And to make it clearer to you, did they make any functional unit beside the two demo with that old Saygus logo + plastic dummy that carries the new logo + the four colored back covers?
[Saygus V²] noci2:
nop e i have no idea so i refrain from mentioning made up numbers, so .....

If you don't like the phone anymore ask for refund@saygus they seem to do those still..., otherwise sit it out and wait until you get a phone or void....

Does it help to complain? I don't thinks so, i said what i thought i'l go back in lurking mode.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
They are just simple dumb liars, pathetic amateurs and complete idiots - that's all what they are. The only phones that they've launched so far were those that they launched to the garbage bin.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
LOL!

I miss you guys.

Where have you been?

In April you used to call us haters and trolls. It has been a while since we heard comments like "If you don't like it, ask for refund".

"Saygus is a team of smartphone specialist".. ROFL... Joke of 2015.

I also miss that angry guy who used to reply with "+, +++, 1000+, 100000000+" for those comments like yours. You really needs his classic reply this time!
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Looks like there is movement again on the Twitter feed.......

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/668976445520109568

I hope this is not another tease
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Look at the twitter messages. No essential information. Just bla bla like ever. Why the people be exciting every time. like you give a dog a bone and he are happy like he get a bugatti veyron.

Its like a big joke. They just play with the people. I can imagine, how the laughing all the time. Hahaha how stupid the zombies were. If we twitter something they are happy like always.

Its like a circle from beginning on. They give us promisses, then never hold just only one. then they had some issue´s and so on. Same like ever. Since they try to build the AWESOME damn f........... phone.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It is twitter bot, it wakes up every 2-3 weeks, posting some funny slogans like "We are smartphone lovers", "Request for refund", "Shipping info this week" and then going back into standby mode.

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People asked for building Saygus phones photos, but this bot is so stupid that posted Saygus building photos.

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/668976192704245761