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[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I'm really not worried about $550 dollars as I can make that on a weekend easy. So getting a refund makes no sense to me. What I'm having a problem with is that I need a new phone soon as mine is on the end of it's life. I also cannot find a phone that boasts the features this phone has. Sure, many of the features that they have are impractical for the normal user. For those that find the specs impractical for them, go get an IPHONE.

Impractical: Will I use the WirelessHD? Sure will. I use the HDMI all the time.

Impractical: Will I use the max storage? Nah, not anytime soon. I probably put in a couple 64g sd cards and upgrade when necessary and when the high storage SD cards are more reasonably priced.

Impractical: Will I use the processing power that this phone has? I haven't found many situations where I'd need such processing power. However, it be nice to have zero hiccups when interacting with apps, watching videos, and perhaps downloading. My current phone S2, which is not even in the ballpark next to the ballpark this phone is in; however it freezes up and hiccups all the time.

Impractical: High definition camera. I'm not a selfie type person, nor am I a photographer looking to make money on the side. However, there are times where a high def photo might help me out in some places.

Impractical: Will I have a time where wireless charge will be applicable? Not really, be cool to try.

Practical: Will I have a time where my phone might drop into a puddle of water? Yes, this is a feature I find practical.

Practical: Will I have a time where I drop my phone to the pavement? Yes, I like the kevlar.

Practical: Will I have a time where I need the extra battery and extra battery capacity, and extra tech to expand battery capabilities? Oh yeah : salivating :.

Practical: Will I have a time where I need the extra boost in cell range? Yes, I'm actually in a house that my phone has a very hard time getting tower. Hopefully this will change with the saygus.

I can probably list a bunch of other impractical/practical things, but saygus has yet to prove some of these are true which is where my anxiety is stemming from. This isn't compelling me to get a refund however. Hopefully more detailed information comes soon. I'm going to sit here and wait as I have a good feeling saygus will pull through. Something tells me that the phone will have features they haven't yet revealed for sake of being cutting edge versus the other phones. Something tells me that these guys will pull through this time, cause they truly have everything to lose- and that is exactly why I am staying on board to the bitter/sweet end. :)

Somebody has gotta be there for the little companies.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
How is cancellation done is it via opening a ticket
[Saygus V²] post_break:
I asked this over 3 weeks ago. Still no answer on my ticket.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Looking at the most recent tweets sent via the official Saygus account I'm pretty concerned... Either their account has been hacked (hopefully) or the tweets were sent after one too many post MWC sangrias (likely) or Saygus have lost the plot - as a comms strategy those tweets were delusional, unprofessional and risible, they look like they were written by an excitable 12 year old for whom English is not the first language.

Ignoring those tweets, my perspective so far is that Saygus have about 2 weeks before they have used up any goodwill remaining, and at that point it will start to turn very ugly.

I *want* the V2 to be a success. I am happy for Saygus to miss the initial expected shipping date by a maximum of 4 weeks, as long as we are treated like valued customers and given as much notification as we deserve. We've taken a pretty big leap of faith pre-ordering a phone from a company with no track record, on the basis of a great spec sheet and little else. All logic says I'm an idiot for paying a fairly hefty lump of cash for nothing but a dream, but it's a dream I believe in, don't let it turn into a nightmare Saygus!

Last point - I have also bought into the Pebble Time, via Kickstarter, and in the 2 weeks since, I've had 5 update emails. Saygus, I know Pebble is now a much bigger organisation than yourselves, but even though you are small you must aim big. Get it right in the next couple of weeks and the slightly bumpy relationship we've had so far will be forgotten. No-one wants this to fail. We're in this together. We believe in you, all we are asking in return is to be kept in the loop. Let's make this happen!
[Saygus V²] letinsh:
This. I'll wait, because I think the phone will be worth it and because I've been through the start-up game that they're in now (on their side of the gig), but from one business professional to another, they need to hire a full-time PR/marketing guy/team. It seems like someone who has another primary job function is trying to fill the slot in their spare time and that's just not working.

The idea is to entice your clients, not drive them away.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Agree these are nice features.

In the T&Cs, it is said the manufacturer is "Saygus China" at Hezheng-Huiyi Cheng Xinhu Road Shenzhen 518101, so I would assume the actual manufacturing is done by a Chinese ODM. Perhaps any actual profits will be repatriated to the USA, although Apple has shown that it is more efficient not to pay taxes. At least the founders may get richer, and maybe they will spend money in the USA.

In addition to the features you mention, I am curious how the cameras will work out. Does anyone know the size of the 21 megapixel Sharp sensor used for the rear camera?

I am also wondering about the noise cancellation technology, said to use three microphones and "Cypher Sound Technology". Hitherto, only Qualcomm's Audience chip has really shone in that regard, and for example the Moto X phones, despite having up to four microphones, have performed quite poorly by all accounts.

"Sunlight Viewable Screen" is another spec that needs practical examination. From the hands-on videos I have seen, the panel looks to be quite reflective - probably glossy - but then again the lighting condtions for indoor filming can be challenging.

Software maturity and ongoing support will obviously be very important. I'm unclear to what extent the latest smartphones rely upon closed-source binary drivers to enable their basic functions such as camera etc. How maintainable/hookable are these drivers when third-party ROMs are installed? I assume baseband stuff is more or less "fire and forget".

Build quality, quality control, and warranty support have the potential to be major issues for a small player selling globally while relying upon Chinese manufacturing.

I must say the lack of an ARMv8 SoC is a bit of a disappointment, because for example whole-device encryption seems to be a dog on ARMv7 (see the Nexus 6). The 20nm process may also lead to noticeable efficiency gains, and I suppose Saygus will find itself competing with a 20nm 64-bit ARMv8 Exynos big.LITTLE design.

I am curious about the " Built-inPower Saving Chip – 50% Improved Battery Life". Presumably this is some kind of low-power companion core or DSP to off-load some work from the main Krait 400 cores, but SD 801 already has Qualcomm's Hexagon DSP so I don't know what this supposedly "exclusive" feature could be.

Lots to discover!
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I don't think it's rooted out the box rather I think it's like one plus one where you can root it if you

want but warranty is still valid
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I ordered mine on Wednesday. I was still within the first 2000, if the pre-order number means anything. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Good for me in the sense of getting my device faster, if I'm truly within the first 2000. A little worrying for them if that's all the interest that they've had. Of course, I'm sure there are phone geeks who are interested and just waiting for hands-on reviews of production devices, since the pre-production was shown at CES. I read the T&C and just decided to put it on the CC with the best reputation for taking care of their customers. Said CC has been charged.

It looks like they changed their website regarding root access. It used to say there would be a developer version with root access. Now it says "The V² is sold with root access available making it the choice for developers as well giving them the opportunity to create new programs and applications directly to the V². When root access is enabled Super User (SU) permission is available and custom firmware can be installed." I don't care either way, as long as it's easily available. :)
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Man, didn't catch that before. Oh well :(.

And I do have to agree that description isn't very specific. They riddle off tech that seems nice, but is it really nice? I also wish that it was 64-bit ARMv8, and the 3 gig ram is not really groundbreaking. Investing in a start up smartphone company like this is causing some nail biting on my part as well. Will they keep updating their stuff? Will they be successful enough to remain in business? The biggest part of this for me though is that it isn't that expensive to take that risk. The only part I'm having a problem with is anxiety; hoping I get awesomeness that they talk about.

Well, I didn't see anything that was clear on that in any documentation. Even at that, it usually takes me a day to do research on my phone, and figure out whether I want to risk bricking my phone using the hacks from the development community to root a phone. If 1+1 is all I need to do then that's good enough for me.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
My order number is 939
[Saygus V²] Vattu:
Their support has quit!

Due to an unforseen issue with my order, I contacted Saygus support. The issue needs to be resolved before deadline today, or I'm cancelling it. The support e-mailed me back (quite quickly, I must admit!) with some questions.

That was 2 days ago. They were very fast responding to my first e-mail, but have as of yet neither done anything to my order, nor contacted me. Yesterday, I mailed them again, concerned that the first might've not reached them. Still no info from them.

Has anyone experienced anything like this, with ANY company?
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Does anyone know will there be any taxes involved I'm from UK. Last time I traded privately with someone on xda they sent the phone I had to pay 50pounds tax.
[Saygus V²] HuskersRule:
I had to do it. Order:	#2131. I can't see this being enough orders to get this off the ground. I wouldn't be shocked if we were refunded.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I don't know the import laws for UK, but here in Germany I have to pay only the VAT on the 549$ and shipping cost of the device and no import duty for the Saygus V² coming from US.

Normally you find these information on the websites of your government . ;)

EDIT:

In the FAQ of Saygus it says: "Shipping options will be provided to you via email when your order is ready to ship. Any VAT fees for your respective country that may be required, or taxes, will also be calculated for you."

So, that seems to be nothing to worry about. :D
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Does the countdown 6-8 weeks start as soon as you place the order? Also does anyone know if there are led notification on the device.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
On the Saygus Website under Terms&Conditions it says: "The Saygus V2 Device is expected to be ready to ship on or about March 30, 2015, subject to reasonable delays in manufacturing and/or delivery."

In the Wireless HD demonstration Video, there is a red LED blinking. See here: http://youtu.be/vzjkt2kl2ng?t=3m37s

And if you take a look at one of the official images (you find this on different sites on the internet: http://images.derstandard.at/2014/11/13/saygusfeatures.jpg), there are two LEDs lighting up next to the upper speaker.

Before someone asks:

I'm just really, really interested in the V² and can't wait to get my hands on this awesome piece of hardware.

I am no employee of Saygus and I don't get any money from them for "promoting" their phone or anything else.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I gave in despite my reservations. Order 2093 here. I'm kind of wondering the same thing.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Your link mentions "Sunlight Viewable Arctic Link III", so I managaed to find http://www.quicklogic.com/platforms/visual-and-display/al3vx/, which describes Arctic Link III, a chip that dynamically adjusts contrast and brightness of the display depending on the ambient light and remaining battery capacity, with the aim of achieveing longer battery life.

I think this explains at least half of the claim that the chipset gives 50% longer battery life. It also explains what is meant by "Sunlight Viewable Screen".
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
That sounds great! :)

As far as I remember they mention the Quicklogic chip in the "Introduction by the Founders" video on youtube also. But they mention only this chipset as the reason, why the V² can save up to 50% of battery.

Have you found some information that there are other features for saving battery life included or what do you mean by "explains at least half of the claim"?
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
No, it's just that the Arctic Link link contains this claim: "DPO [Dynamic Power Optimizer] has been OEM-proven to save an average of 25% of system single-charge battery life, enabling OEMs to extend battery life of their devices significantly without the added cost, size, and weight of larger capacity batteries."

If the chip vendor is itself claiming only a 25% average saving, it seems unlikely that Saygus will have achieved 50% in the V² implementation. It may just be hyperbole.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I'm surprised there's no forum for this phone yet. There's already one for zenphone 2 which isn't out yet either. Hmm.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Yeah, I see your point! But I think you have to be careful here, because Saygus states "up to 50%" and Quicklogic says "25% average saving".

So if there are light situations in which you will save nothing and some where you can save 50%, you would get around that average of 25%. ;)

We just have to wait until the first real experiences are made, before we know how much the savin will be in daily use. But for now, it doesn't sound that bad for me - 25% is still more than nothing... :D

I would really appreciate it, to have a own Section here on XDA for the Saygus V², but I think we are not enough people yet and since it isn't released, we don't even have so much to talk about. But I'm quite shure, this will change rapidly, as soon as this awesome device gets delivered.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
The note edge took ages to get hold of the forum came up really quick. I assume not much people are getting this device.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Yeah there doesn't seem to be as much interest as I thought there while be. This seems like the perfect xda type phone to me. /shrug
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I think it's because when they showed the sample it wasn't fully functional also the 801 chip and no lollipop out the box.

Edited

Maybe the developers are waiting to see what comes out in mwc

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I see two separate led notification I assume one is for the wireless HD transmitter and the other for notification
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Well... seems like Twitter is our main source of info/ situation. We might as well munch out some of that. Since they are not updating their page, not fast enough with their "customer service" they might as well receive some twitter message that will give them a chance to boast a little bit more with the specs and give us some update. Whether they do it intentionally or not. It can be done nicely without order canceling threats or endless questions about shipping date. To make it at least little bit professional, one can ask them about unpublished technical or software data and current situation so we might figure out the first question we are interested in- how long could it take to finish that phone. If they din't have a professional handling their twitter account- there is a good chance it is an engineer that holds some interesting info being a bit careless with advertising. As we saw in their latest posts. I hope they make it fast. For them as much as for me/ us. Short fuse tweets are not very helpful. I wonder if we can make them a bit more constructive.

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For example we could question them if they managed to test new 200Gb SD cards on the spot. Or how will someone operate with 2 SD cards simultaneously? Or what do they expect (or already have achieved) that no other phone can do with so far unseen hardware combo? Or something like that...
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I really, really want Saygus to succeed too, but at this point, I have no idea what the company is doing, and their twitter account only makes one thing very clear: they don't know what they're doing either.

Seriously, they took our money and they haven't so much as sent us an email about what's going on. Not even, "Hey everyone, thanks for pre-ordering. Our team has been working hard on [feature X] and now it looks amazing." The only news they've given us is the occasional delusional tweet about how perfect everything will be and how it's not perfect yet, but they're just backlogged and can't possibly provide any more details than what they've told us so far.

Let's not call this a Kickstarter because that's not the route the company has chosen. They didn't ask us for an initial investment, they asked us for a pre-order. With any other company, that would imply that there is much less uncertainty than with a Kickstarter. With a pre-order, the product is almost there, and is coming for sure. They just want some commitment from interested buyers up front to help know how many units to produce initially. That clearly isn't the case here.

The phone clearly is not ready, which would be OK, except that they completely refuse to inform us about this fact. If the phone were nearly ready, this strategy wouldn't make sense; you would want your customers to know very clearly that you were just ironing out a few bugs, and you would be announcing a shipping date soon. Instead, we get this: twitterDOTcom/Saygus/status/573655527105818624 (I've saved a screenshot here, but I'm not allowed to link to external sites yet: imgurDOTcom/ZWx9AZZ). So they don't know when it will be ready, and have no clue when it will be.

So because this isn't a pre-order, and because they won't tell me what to call it, there's no way I'm letting them hold onto my money that I gave them when I thought it was actually a pre-order. I'll give up my $50 discount and my spot in line and wait until the phone is actually ready. (Or close to ready.) Or I'll buy a different phone. I honestly don't need all the features they are advertising.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I am sending the email to cancel my pre-order considering the twitter blow up...
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I think that sums up my thoughts as well. Honestly, it's not about patience and delays for me. It's about feeling like I'm dealing with a completely unprofessional and delusional company who is essentially using me as a source of startup capital rather than treating me as a paying customer. Had this been a Kickstarter, I would likely have backed it with completely different expectations (and a lower donation).
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I just sent in my refund request, I'll post when I receive my refund.

The refund experience will probably determine whether I'll wait for them to release the V2 before shopping for a new phone or not...
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
What is the approximate ship date of the V²?

Expected shipping in 6-8 weeks. We will notify customers in March on an exact ship date.

This is from FAQ. We just need to be patient. 3 more weeks to end March.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
When they're treating us the way they are now, I don't care at all.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
See this link appeared 19 hours ago

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cell-phone-reviews/saygus-v2-hands-on/
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
8 weeks?!? Thats lame.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Lame? Maybe. But not surprising at all. And very hard to believe:

I write software for a living. It's not easy. And add hardware development to that, yikes! Glad I'm not them. They're in a tough spot. I could be wrong (and I hope I am), but it sounds like they can't deliver on their promise on time and don't know how long it will take before they can. I applaud those of you who are holding on to their preorders; I wish you all the luck in the world, but I do hope you're watching all of this.

I personally can't cope with this status limbo anymore.
[Saygus V²] vikramkhalsa:
I think they deleted it? Link doesn't work. What did it say?
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
What did they delete
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
It works now.
[Saygus V²] vikramkhalsa:
Wow.. really? Really? I mean its a fair point but they should at least let people know HOW patient they should be.. no one really knows, if this 6-8 weeks deadline just keeps moving forward.. if you're just honest and clear I'm sure people would be more patient. Plus they should've overestimate it to begin with instead of being so idealistic if they didn't have a fully functional model yet..
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Also, there's the tiny fact that Apple didn't have any "pre-order" system for the first iPhone where they made everyone pay for it before it existed (at least to my knowledge). Even Apple knows there's something wrong with that.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
The original 6-8 week delivery was way too optimistic given that there was an almost month-long new year festival season in China, and then the MWC.

The current 8 week promise seems to be more realistic, I hope they can keep it.

Their opening optimism pushed them into a bad position, a detailed delay announcement could calm down their preorder customers, but on the other hand it would derogate their credibility which is necessary for them to have V2 recognized/supported by big players (retailers and cellular providers).

I'm not disappointed by the delay, I expected it.

I also believe (especially after the MWC announcements!) that V2 still will be a superphone even if it is shipped a month later.

So not much headache for me. The only reason for the headache would be if I saw that many preorderers cannot handle their own headache and start canceling their preorders. I believe it will not happen, as most of the preorderers must have an understanding on the industry and development in general, and hopefully are not pushed in terms of time or finance.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Yeah that's what bothers me the most is that they took out money right away. I don't recall them saying that they were going to do that. And it's common practice to not charge until it ships. Like others have said I didn't know I was kick starting them.

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How would we know that the original 6 to 8 weeks was too optimistic though? We don't know what's really going on behind the scenes. I didn't know about the Chinese New year and stuff before hand. All that is not my fault. They should have just said 3 to 6 months from the beginning if they knew this wasn't going to happen.

If everyone starts canceling their orders now I'm afraid they won't have money to refund us when/if the project fails. This could all be mostly alleviated with good Twitter communication and updates. And none of the questions I asked them were on their faq that they mentioned in one of their tweets. I haven't bombarded them with emails. Only one last week. And 2 a month a go before I preordered. Nothing gets answered. Maybe my questions are too real and there's no copy paste generic answer for them? Idk.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Phone Call?

Here's a strange question: Has anyone tried to call them, on the phone? :confused:
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
Wait, what? That's a function of our smartphones? ;)