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[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Just curious, sometimes moderators on forums don't specifically get into threads too extensively unless they have an interest (i.e., have either purchased or are purchasing) in a particular product, have to provide specific assistance to a thread participant or provide discipline for afoul posts. You seem interested in the Saygus product and seem able to obtain some limited information, not quite as much as Andreas, but to some extent, very much useful information that Saygus simply provides "canned" responses to the general public for.

I just want to thank you for your ability to obtain this info, it's useful and real, as opposed to Saygus' vague and dilute responses they often provide. :)

I ordered the last day of the Pre-Reg/Pre-Order back on 2/7, I think?

Things do seem to be awry. You'd think with 2 weeks to shipping, they'd have the software bugs on a finger print scanner worked out, they'd have specs on a camera operating app available (not the camera sensor; the app)? One would also think there would also be more information generally available at this stage in the game (i.e., the WiHD dongle availability, etc.). With the lack of this information currently present, it seems to me another delay may be likely (and I'm not a pessimist)? Furthermore, Just because they start shipping (if they actually do) on 5.22, it likely means peeps will start to receive their orders for possibly an additional two weeks.

The corporate product release details just seem very amateur and the company as a whole; disorganized?

Moving this product to the USA for production in the future; how can they possibly make it affordable and profitable to produce here in the US? China's production costs are roughly 1/2 the US's? That would considerably cut into the rate of return on each unit. Let's face it, Saygus is in business to make money. There's not ifs, ands or buts about that. They should go on Shark Tank, they're probably going to be needing one or two of the tech moguls to bail them out as a business partners within the year? Unfortunately I don't see any of the Sharks bailing them out....the technology will be obsolete.

Things DO seem awry, I was simply asking you if you had a phone on order as you seem genuinely interested in the outcome of the product. Thanks for your help. :good:
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
We don't need to wait so long to update to Lollipop if it is really available in June because shipping date is May 22 and receiving will be end of May. :D
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I agree Kevin

They already pretty much foreshadowed another delay to andreas. This close to shipping it should just be last minute shipping details and testing small production trial runs. I can't imagine a phone we've never seen completely work will ship in 15 days. I also don't love the idea that it seems they'll be making a lot of hasty 11nth hour decisions. Is there a box? How much will the WiHD dongle cost? Is there really no finalized accessory list? If they haven't even finished the fingerprint scanner (which was working at CES they claim) How can it be properly tested in the given time frame? Or twice the given time frame.?
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Can someone post the email they sent out (according to their Twitter). I didn't get it.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
[MENTION=6412663]kevin6876[/MENTION]

I agree with your insight.

My quandary of late has been the following (all based on Chads initial comments at CES 2015):

He states that the device will be built as a cutting edge device, the likes of which have not yet been introduced.

As far as I'm concerned, between the gap of first mention to release the device is already middle of the high end road.

1- KK as opposed to Lollipop. I'm not really sure there are many (if any) new cutting edge devices being release with KK installed.

2- Processor & GPU are quickly becoming outdated. At this point the Snapdragon 808 would be the more efficient processor.

To date I am still unclear of the technology behind the screen and it's capability of view ability, for use in sunlight. This one aspect was my purchase point.

Battery size... several flagship devices have either the same size or larger battery.

The antenna array is or is not fixed. There seems to be conflict in the information behind fixed or not. Honestly(not that I'm asking for much but), if I buy a premium cell phone, I sure as hell would appreciate that it be able to make/receive phone calls.

What do I expect above what is speculated... I don't know. What I do know is, what was thought to be the best in February, is now top to mid line specs.

All said and done, the price is still great, if what has been promised can be produced.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
What email are you referring to friend?
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
I have good news for everyone who pre-ordered the V2! Somewhere in another parallel universe the shipping of the V2 has already started! :)

I also have good news for the whiners: In a different parallel universe the whole project had not even launched. :)

Inspired by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8s6P3Tu1QM ;)
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Since I live in Utah it would be nice to see Chinese lose jobs to us once instead of losing jobs to Chinese
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Without getting too political, you know why that will never happen in Utah.
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
I canceled my ordered today. To Saygus credit, they promptly replied and refunded my money.

To be clear, I did not cancel because of worry, or anxiety or the specs, save one: after a lot of thought, I have decided I don't want to go back to a small screen. The 5.2" Z2 I have been using is already too small. Every year it gets harder and harder for me to see tiny fonts on websites. So against my better judgement, I just ordered a Note 4. (I hate Samsung, but that's another story)

Maybe when web developers get their act together and start making proper mobile websites, I will be able to go to a smaller screen.
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
I'll add you to the list of people to wish ill on as I cannot find a phone sized phone anymore. :eek:
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Wholeheartedly agree with you. It's just too expensive to produce something in the US today. Labor laws, unions, pay scale, minimum wages and inflation all hurt our economy. China is in their industrial revolution right now, but with many of the modern conveniences of technology. If in current dollars it costs Saygus $150 to produce that phone in China today and they suddenly decided to produce that same phone in the US, it'd likely cost them $300-$350 to produce. Their profitability margin is greatly reduced from $400 down to maybe $150-$200 per unit. They'd have to make and sell double the amount of units to stay profitable/sustainable all while developing new equipment/technology for tomorrow. Can't ride the wave of the V2 forever. Just don't see bringing the business to the US as a wise business decision/investment. They'll go belly up before they even hit the water. :eek:
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
Has anyone else here considered canceling their order for the G4? My biggest concern is developer friendliness which is why I like the V2, but there are rumors the G4 may come with an unlocked boot loader.
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
I get that, but how many of us use a phone as a phone anymore? I take one or two calls a week, tops. The rest is messaging. And for me, alot of reading. And I think we are all falling into a culture of spending too much time straining our eyes on tiny print on tiny screens. Or even tiny print on large screens. And since I wear contacts, it's not like I can move my glasses out of the way to read that tiny print. But what can you do? It's too late to change.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
I am pondering the Saygus, LG G4, and Samsung Galaxy S5. The biggest thing for me between these choices will be screen brightness in sunlight. Today I had my S3 outdoors and could only see the screen when in the shade of a tree.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Well said.

Although many of us here have been virtually attacked in this thread for bringing up these points many times in the past.

I hope all goes well. But deja vu is starting to kick in.

The next two weeks will be exciting any way you slice it.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
In the words of my man Owen Wilson,

"There's a whole great big world out there, my friend. Just three inches up, I beg you."

Eye strain staring at a cellular device would go away if you took more phone calls. All I'm saying is there's a simple solution out there. ;)

Not attacked, just folks who are uncomfortable with critical conversation. I'm certainly shocked at the few people who are nothing but defensive of Saygus....I get curious as to where their evidence comes from. I think we're all here because we want the phone to succeed, but there's nothing wrong with bringing trepidation, concern, and inquiry to the table. All in all, there are still a lot of questions to be answered for something that's been announced, marketed, and sold to the public but doesn't seem to actually exist anywhere yet...
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
If Saygus are already tweeting saying they are making next to no money at this price when the phone is being made in China, do we really think moving production to the US at any point makes an ounce of business sense?

And please don't give me any bull about the price now being 'introductory' with any expectation of the price going up once the device is launched and hype generated, the phone is already priced right at the top end of what the specs can realise.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Making a handset doesn't cost much in parts when you make a lot. what does cost money is research and development.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Saygus website is updated.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
can't buy anything from the website now?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Yes, for now you can't buy because website is under updating. I just received email from Saygus.

Dear V² Customer,

Some exciting new developments are happening at Saygus, and we want to tell you about them and to thank you for your continued support.

We are currently gearing up for the launch of a massive marketing campaign that will kick off near the middle of June. Our goal is to utilize this campaign to amp up our awareness and distribution and make it easier for people around the world to have access to the Saygus V² and the unique features that come with it.

We have also made some design changes to our website. This evolution reflects our dedication to our customers – you. We want to reinforce your ability to interact with us and our customer service team. As always, you can contact our customer service via chat or by opening a customer support ticket for any questions you may have.

You are our foundation. Thank you for being as passionate as we are about the V².

Sincerely,

Chad, Tim and the Saygus Team
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
A website update and a marketing campaign are not "exciting new developments"
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
But that's also a good thing. I presume that means it'll be out in June.
[Saygus V²] Purest:
Nice, hopefully we can get our preordered phones before July.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
For saygus to truly make it as a smartphone company, they need to get in bed with wireless carriers. They won't make any money from us pre-register peoples, they are using us as the 'test' and 'proof' of their capabilities. They also cannot simultaneously put an order into a factory for ten or twenty phones. They also need to prove to wireless carriers they can do what they say they can and prove they can mass produce this phone - which if they pull it off May 22nd, they will have the proof. Wireless carriers will be where their money comes from. Once they rack in profits from Wireless carriers, it will be easy for them to move production to USA and UTAH. And you bet that the wireless carriers will jack the price of the saygus phone up at least a couple hundred bucks.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
I also received the same email.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
same email here also ;) it's coming guy's.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I really hope so, my nexus 5 had 20 percent left on it when I left work today... It's dying battery has almost had it..
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I had to buy a cheap smartphone replacement. Unil Saygus comes out. My last phone died

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[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Got the e-mail. Looks like the ride is beginning.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Sorry to see you left us.Considering Samsung,I also use it's Note2 for the past 2 years.Their treat to the customers is very pathetic.They won't give give us any timely software updates.We have depend on xda and CM to get uptodate. custom softwares.For official official softwares from Samsung we have to wait for years.This is the case with their flagship models.Before ordering V2 I also was going to purchase the Note 4 which their topmost model now(considering the newly released S6 also).So I am a close participant in it's xda thread till now.So I found it got the Lollipop update only a month ago irrespective of the fact that custom Lollipop update became available in xda months ahead.Further the Warranty dealings of Samsung are utterly poor.And after the warranty,the service cost in official Samsung outlets is exorbitant.

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Second you.
[Saygus V²] becks0r:
maybe you getting old :X

I switched from a Note to a 5" phone and now to the Z3compact...and additional made the dpi even lower^^

but yeah you are right, responsive design still doesn't seems be a thing
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Lots of Twitter activity last night.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
They have some new colors. If someone on XDA is into colors...

Can someone bring more light on this twitter post?

"No more purchases till secret is revealed... few weeks wait for reveal of exciting Saygus move!"
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Where did you see that they have new colors?
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Twitter. Someone asked, official replied "Yip". But I can't believe we are discussing colors when they have something important up their sleeve. So important they are hiding it from us. And competition.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I'm thinking lolipop is the surprise. as they mention it being available shortly after the V2 release.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
I don't think so. They said everything about it. Read: June. This thing comes with the shipping.
[Saygus V²] nonlose:
Nope. It has no front facing speakers so no deal.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Will it come with a 200GB Micro SD card as a surprise? A case? Wireless receiver? Extra Back cover with different color? Free shipping?
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
My guess on the surprise is a Final prototype of the v2.
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
That would be the best surprise I could think of!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
It was stated that North American shipping was 8-10 dollars approximately. WiHD 50-60 dollars and red and orange were under consideration and could be purchased by pre-orders once available. I'm thinking at&t or T-Mobile or another GSM carrier may have ordered a large quantity. It's the only reason I can think to stop orders so they can fill a large order.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
lol. No the surprise will be, delivery actually starts on May 22:good:
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
You don't want that surprise in "a few weeks". You should be holding the phone by then.
[Saygus V²] tipocool:
Yes, that would be a nice surprise!
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
How about this: it is a feature, so far not announced so competition wouldn't know about it. With 801 processor it is something to think about because our phone is becomming closer to average by the day. That would be the best thing I can think of. I dare even not to hope for another senzor. Not much has been spoken about software as well.I don't give a damn about OS- it will be XDA made anyway. And that CM should take care of new capabilities and unseen senzor integration. This should be fun toy! I just hope it is not make-up they are talking about. Fingers crossed for new tiny chip of a sort. Perhaps I am not modest enough.

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They seemed quite friendly with SanDisc team, so free SD card is a valid guess.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I honestly think people put way too much into the new qualcomm snapdragons, the 810 isn't a ton faster and it has it's own stake of issues.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Absolutely 100% dead cert no chance on that one, though I'm pretty sure your tongue is firmly in your cheek with that suggestion.

However I think the other suggestion, as in "Surprise! You're the beta testers!" is probably a little too close to the truth for some people's tastes ;)
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
What could be the surprise?

The phone has all the hardware elements I could dream of (maybe except dual SIM), so all I can think of is some software.

I would guess a killer photo or video recording/editing app. In the beginning Chad mentioned it, the cameras deserve it, and their history always connected to multimedia processing.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I have hypothesizes of what the surprise could be:

Partnership with major wireless carrier

CDMA carrier(s) like verizon and sprint approved the v2 on their network.

WiHD as option instead of buds

Special deals on accessories like SD cards, WiHD dongles, screen protectors, etc

Company Merger or bought out by another company

Processor change wouldn't be kosher, as a change like that would be too major to drop on people last minute.

New color option wouldn't be kosher either as they would have no idea how much of the new color to order from the factory.

Anybody else got any thoughts of what it could be?

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I would also like to point out the wording the tweet used:

"Exciting Saygus Move" which I'd assume to mean the news has got to be company related, which "I would think rules out new features . So either a deal with another company, a change of the company some how, or secondary special edition or special type of phone whereby we'd have an option of 'upgrading' to at ship phase. I'm speculating of course.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I kind of perceived it the way you did. Saygus move sounds more business related than phone related. But a second device wouldn't be out of the question. I thought MAYBE a large GSM carrier picked up the phone. I wouldn't count color change as a huge secret.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
A WiFi calling enabled offering from TMo would be cool.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
A

second

device?!?!?!? Do you guys have your head in the clouds?? Maybe Saygus should focus on producing just ONE phone for now, since they have no track record yet of being able to accomplish even that.
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
When you highlight exciting saygus move, and bear in mind that there are no more sales for now... Sounds like it's the move of operations from China to Utah.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
The next exciting thing is that Saygus will take our money and shut down this business
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
For my very hopeful guess: It's something so cool, that Saygus had to limit the number of people who could get it. Which is my guess as to why preorders were halted, so that they could give out a set number. Who knows what it is, but it's my hope that its a free WiHD adapter for all preorders. Now combine that with saving $50, extra battery, and screen protector, I'd be one happy person.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
ok. In short:

1. not the processor.

2. not the color

3. not SD (I am really stunned with Lukec's certainty and would be sooo much interested in finding out what exactly makes him/her SO certain)

4. kept secret and then announced as some major feature

5. more likely company than phone related thing. Boom said "Saygus move" sounds more business related than phone related. But then again, we had some typos and funny english on their Twitter already.

I think Andreas mentioned 3D printer somewhere. :P
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Comes with two Roms? Stock and CM
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
Could be something involving Google... I/O's relatively soon, and if it's an announcement made there, it could make some sense. Could they be the first non-Nexus phone approved for Project Fi? Perhaps Google's working with them on Android M, and the "New Nexus 5" I've heard a few unsubstantiated rumors about is actually going to be the V2, in an attempt by Google to get smaller developers involved.

That said, I/O is AFTER the intended ship date for the V2, so the timing isn't exactly perfect... and if true, could delay the launch a week to appease Google.

Another possibility is something Cyanogen, which could keep software costs down and make it more cost-effective to move operations into the US. I would not be opposed to this, but I'm still likely to flash CyanogenMOD over CyanogenOS, for the sake of a cleaner, better controlled device.

What makes, perhaps, the most sense, however, is they got picked up by a major carrier, who wants a very large shipment of the phones ASAP, and they aren't taking any more pre-orders in the meantime because they can't guarantee a ship date for any orders placed after this huge one.

I'm rather skeptical on the idea of a new "killer feature" that was so good they had to hide it until just before launch... provided they didn't lie about the specs so far, I don't see much else they could do with it aside from something as useless and ridiculous as transforming into a tiny robot or such nonsense.

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As an Aside, in defense of the 801... it's older, yes, but it stands as one of the most power efficient SoC's available for a smartphone, and it will be plenty fast. I for one would prefer more battery life over benchmark scores, and the 810's apparently have low CPU performance due to thermal throttling anyway. It should also be more responsive and have higher game framerates than many of the new QHD phones, due to having only half as many pixels, despite the weaker GPU. In any case, software optimization will likely be the biggest factor in terms of UX and responsiveness (though I don't have high hopes for that). Either way, should be more than enough for most of us, and benefit us on the thing that is most requested in phones to be improved: battery life.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
This is exactly what I've been thinking.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Same feels to me.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Extended battery life would have to be the biggest single feature I'm looking forward to in the V2
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
I had said this earlier....