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[Saygus V²] tightos:
I'm in the same predicament........I bought a $20 Lumia and have it as a backup incase my S3 quits.

When I get my V2.......I'll probably give it away to a friend that can't part with their BlackBerry.

If that fails I'll just keep it in case I have to return the V2 if I'm not satisfied with it.

You should always have 2 proper phones in case one gets lost, stolen or broken.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Sounds like a rule I could live with. Two phones.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Agreed. Saygus' downfall was taking "deposits". I also got my refund a couple weeks ago, but will be glad to spend it again if they can actually produce a phone that fully functions as laid out in their spec sheet. I mean, it's clear the consumer interest is there, they just started counting their chickens before they were even remotely ready to hatch.
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
I guess you folks don't subscribe to "no news is good news"? ;)
[Saygus V²] kensayers:
Well they now have posted the May 22 date on the website so one would assume that that means they feel pretty confident.

---------- Post added at 10:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 AM ----------

I sent them a ticket last Friday (Thursday US time) asking when we would see benchmarks and pre-delivery units being sent to reviewers so that we can get some real world reviews of the product.

The statements above as to the process Saygus must be going through are spot on. If they are going to be shipping all the units pre-ordered on the 22nd then they would have to have production quality units in the field today. But then the scale of the logistics operation required to ship the number of units they have to ship to make this phone viable, is daunting to say the least. If this phone is going to survive they have to be shipping millions. Look how much Sony is loosing on phones and they're shipping millions of Xperias!
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
^ well let's not forget the big players Sony, Samsung etc. Spend millions on media and advertising. Their overhead in general is huge.

I can't wait for this device! I really hope all goes well. It's as if someone made the V2 just for me. It's perfect for android enthusiasts and power users.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
All doubtful souls such as [MENTION=989556]Charlie Brown[/MENTION], [MENTION=545975]lukec[/MENTION] 36, [MENTION=267014]BooM[/MENTION] and the like,please see the link below...

https://www.saygus.com/shop/
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
It says "scheduled". It was "scheduled" for earlier release as well, but then became "rescheduled". Don't get me wrong, I'm still hoping it ships on time, but this doesn't ensure anything.

On a side note, the upcoming LeTV Max piques my interest, in a similar fashion to the v2.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Agreed. "Scheduled" is a fairly important term on that page. It's deceptive, just like their 3/31 date was.

Interesting. No SD card slot? No removable/expandable battery? No dice for me.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
My friend, there is nothing wrong with doubt. It is only sensible to look at the situation objectively.

I *want* this phone as much as anyone else on this forum, but I can only that there is nothing at all to suggest that this phone will get released any time soon, unless it is rushed and not adequately tested.

My Z3 Compact has a number of flaws that should have become apparent through comprehensive testing, and this is with the huge resources of Sony behind it. The experience I have in software development demands that testing a fully developed product for a number of weeks is a mandatory requirement and I can't see that process can fit into the current release schedule unless Saygus are not telling us something. Failure to test adequately results in customer expectations not being met.

As always, I will be delighted to be proved wrong and offer a full apology to anyone who has been offended by me stating the obvious :)
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
I hear ya. But it proves the point that the longer saygus waits and delays, the more amount of viable options will appear, for many. Also of interest, the same camera sensor is used on that device, and there are example camera pictures from it that give us an idea of what we can expect from saygus' camera shots.
[Saygus V²] jdonalds2001:
I currently own a Samsung Galaxy S3. It's a good phone but burns through the battery quickly each day. I'm due for a phone upgrade in November so I can wait to see how the Saygus V2 performs when users get their hands on them. A user replaceable battery is a must for me. When a new phone comes out I don't read the reviews - I do a search for the word "battery" to see if the phone has a user replaceable battery. If it does I'll read the review. If not I'll move on. It's that simple. So of course Samsung sent me searching for something to buy as my next phone because the S6 doesn't have a user replaceable battery.

The V2 looks awesome on paper. But I worked in the electronics field for 40 years and I just have not seen what I think is a more normal process for a new product.

Back in January I would have liked to have heard Saygus say things like;

- We started by building a number of prototypes which we gave to everyone in the company to use for a while. Based on that we did some redesigns and made significant improvements to the software.

- We then built 100 (or 1,000 or some large number) of phones and sent them out to the field for alpha testing. They were used on several different carriers and in both city and rural environments. That process pointed out that we had to do some redesigns in [insert things they had to redesign here]. That redesign is the final model and we now have prototypes in hand and are going through the final testing process.

I heard nothing like that process from Saygus. In fact is seems they haven't been able to show even one reviewer a fully functioning phone. The photos I've seen show the fit and finish is far from ready for market. I'm very concerned that Saygus is going to do it's field testing with the first bunch of people that buy the phone, and I'm afraid the results aren't going to be good. I really hope I'm wrong about this.

I really want this phone. But I'm going to wait until it is out for a few months and the user comments are very good. Even if there are some weaknesses that Saygus promises to fix through software updates I'd still buy the phone if I could believe them. But if the user reviews come out and say there are 10 things wrong with the phone and it appears that a new version of the hard ware is required to fix those issues I'll either find another phone or wait for V2.X version.

There are other options out there. The Galaxy Note 4 is pretty attractive. The LG G3 looks good and if LG is smart they will keep the user replaceable battery and microSD card features in the soon to come G4.
[Saygus V²] Jan de Mor:
Elephone p7000 can be one of these new options...
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
Same for me, waiting for you all to get your hands on the phone so you can tell us how well the screen performs in full sunlight. My S3 is disappointing in sunlight.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I think pre register deal is the same for preorder.

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/562530952849530880
[Saygus V²] DJPrelude:
I think your reading that incorrectly
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Those people who ordered without pre registration did you get 50dollars discount?
[Saygus V²] redbaron1324:
People who preregistered to get the code then preordered with the code before the deadline get the 50 dollars off and all the accessories . People who only preordered pay 600 and no extra accessories .
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
As far as I know you don't need to pre register to get code because the code was the same for everyone. And I really doubt them checking everyone's order if it matches their pre register email. What I think is if u used the code and ordered within the time span you should get discount and accessories.
[Saygus V²] redbaron1324:
Semantically you're correct, you don't need to register to get the code. Per their policy you need to register for the code to work. Debating on weather they will or will not follow their own clearly stated policy is an exercise in futility. Who knows if they will follow it or not, but it is not a hard to automate cross checking two lists using any database system, or even excel for that matter.

Based on the my order number being low 2k and I ordered near the deadline it would be an easy task.
[Saygus V²] DJPrelude:
I ordered within the time frame but I forgot to pre register. I tried using the code anyways and at first it gave me the discount but after I put in all my info and pressed the buy button it came back and told me that I couldn't use the code because it wasn't valid with my email address
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
So I'm incorrect
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I also did the same thing as what you did. The price was $549 but I paid $599 :(
[Saygus V²] DJPrelude:
Yea, I figured it was worth a try. I'm really excited about this phone, it seems like the only worthy successor to my Nexus 5! But like others I'm starting to get a little worried that they are being so quiet
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Same to you. Saygus replied my first email on Feb 4 and they do not reply other emails till now. I still want to get Screen Protector FOC :D
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I pre-ordered

I still have questions and concerns but what the heck. I'm mostly concerned by the social media silence of the company since the pre-orders ended. I'm hoping you'll be able to buy back covers separately.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Not such a bad notion?

For real, if you think about it this last week if Saygus sold 2500 units at $550 each, that $1.375 million dollars they raked in! Vacation would sound like a great idea to me if I just pulled in that much cash?

That's a lot of money!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Indeed

However until you have provided the product and passed the 14 day return period none of that money should actually be used. But who knows. Also of interest is that they aren't registered to use Google play store yet
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Really glad they are doing that, good business!

Edit: I'm reading that as, yes, all pre orders get extras not only pre registered orders. The fact that we are having this discussion is a failure on their part IMO.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
You have to pre register first then use the code. Because many tried with preorder and code it doesn't work you end up paying the full amount.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Same happened to me.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Things should heat up at the beginning of March I hope.
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
I just went to phone arena to compare some phones should give others a good reason to pick this phone up.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I think the only reason people who are getting this phone is because of storage. I personally was going to get yotaphone 2 but I changed my mind then my friend encouraged me to buy this saygus. Now I'm thinking I wasn't thinking of spending so much I wasn't aware that UK was going to add that much vat.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Living in the UK, sunlight performance is not as high on the priority list for me as it may be for others :D
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Honestly the S6 edge is literally hard to hold. We got our store demo and I'm even more disappointed than I taught. The phone still heats up quite a bit also.
[Saygus V²] Lightroom:
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[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Lol.... seriously? I was messing around with my cousins S6.... it stayed cool during normal use. Ran a YouTube video it got a little warm, not much. Then played a game on it. It never got hot. Stayed warm but that's about it. I must say the Edge S6 feels and looks great........ but no sd, no battery removal and the fact it's not water resistant anymore killed it for me.

Well Saygus. Hope they will be ready. I am 50/50 for now. The last time they had the word "scheduled" posted as well.... :p
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
To me the edge feels like it fits better in the hand screen towards hand and the back being the screen. (Am I the only one that feels that way?) Without a proper case the phone doesn't hold well in hands. If the S6 would have a removable battery and SD slot I may have considered the S6 but not the S6 edge with a good case.
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
I agree. I am encouraged they are not rushing to push out a product that is not ready.

I have a Z2. I am happy with it. But it has its strange little software quirks here and there. HTC and Samsung are great examples of huge companies that clearly don't fully test their devices. I had two HTC and three Samsung, and they were all lousy devices. But they cater to the masses who don't know any better.

I am holding out hope that Saygus is an enthusiast's company. I will gladly wait and pay extra for a phone that is more thoughtfully crafted than what HTC/Samsung/LG/Motorola/Sony/Apple pump out en masse.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Yeah, I'm afraid you're right... I just now opened a ticket with Saygus asking for more information about this, I'll let you know when they reply. Here's the message I sent them:

Subject: Will I be a beta tester?

I was aware of the risks of pre-ordering, and I've stuck with you guys so far, but I'm concerned about the lack of any demos of a fully functional unit. I want this phone to happen and have faith in your ideas, but I don't have enough information right now to have faith in your work yet (please understand that I don't mean any offence, I'm just a concerned customer).

Answers to the following questions would really give me peace of mind. If you could consult with your engineering and QA teams about them, that would be excellent.

What is your plan for beta testing the V2? For instance, will fully-functional phones be distributed to employees in your company to use for a few weeks, or are those of us who pre-ordered going to be beta testers?

What is the status of the beta testing process, assuming it has started? If not, when will it start?

I understand gathering this information takes time, but I would really appreciate it if you replied to let me know when you saw this ticket, just so I have a rough idea of when to expect a reply.​
[Saygus V²] hella356:
OT, but can this be real?
[Saygus V²] andriman:
Its fake... average price of 128 GB microSD card is $90+.

I suppose the linked card won't have more than 32GB..
[Saygus V²] jdonalds2001:
Possibly stolen off of a production line so could be good. More likely these are either totally fake as you said. They could be test rejects that will fail in use. If they are tested rejects they could appear to work but might fail within their specified operating conditions; ie when they heat up or when your phone battery is low.

I spent my whole working career in the business of testing memory chips. Trust me if you knew how these non-volatile memories work you'd wonder how they work at all. You wouldn't want marginal chips.

Bottom line. Don't buy these.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Should get back to you by July.
[Saygus V²] Lightroom:
Hi [MENTION=6596251]jdonalds2001[/MENTION] Maybe you have right but no probs som far.. All over its a cheap price and I take a new format and sdcard no probs. why not to Bay one and test for your self. .???
[Saygus V²] jdonalds2001:
Go to Amazon.com. Look up 128GB microSD cards. Select one that is offered for under $50 and read the 1 star user comments and you'll see why you don't want to use one of these cards.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Lol! I hope not, I'll probably put in a refund request (and advise everyone else to do the same) if they don't reply or post anything about this in a week or so.
[Saygus V²] Lightroom:
Check it out self. ...
[Saygus V²] Jan de Mor:
More bla bla bla from Saygus without any substance. Keep on and the refunds will be massive soon
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Just got this reply, nothing new.

Me:

April 14, 2015 3:40 pm

With little to no information being released by Saygus, many on the forum I’m on are seriously wondering if may 22nd is still a realistic ship date. I’m eager to pass on any answers or additional information you share with me to the forum.

RedRalph

17 mins ago

Hi,

Thank you for contacting Saygus. There has been much excitement around the V² and we’ve been working around the clock to make sure to release the very best smartphone possible. We can hardly wait to begin shipping. The V² is in the Pre-Registration Order stage and the shipping date has been scheduled to begin May 22nd.

This smartphone is packed with technology and is designed to help make your life better.

Regards,

Saygus Service Team
[Saygus V²] tightos:
That's just a copy and paste from an earlier post fom Saygus.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Can you read time stamps? As I stated, I just received it and nothing new. But thanks for not bothering to try to comprehend it before commenting. You rock.
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
Can we wait until bad things happen before throwing a fit? You'd think it were May 23rd reading this thread.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
+1.It is good to have some more patience....
[Saygus V²] tightos:
You rock even more! I bow down to you>.......oh great 1

:rolleyes:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59409291&postcount=833
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Even if I don't have any detailed information on that "specific event" mentioned on Twitter last week yet, I can provide you some more background information.

Right now Saygus is doing a lot of preparation for the launch. In order to provide you a way better news/support on twitter they are also setting up a social media team.

Since some of you have been speculating about Saygus user testing: When they have been here in Germany, they had about 15 devices with them. Some have been earlier manufacturing samples and some the 'newer' CES/MWC ones. Not all, but some of those devices had signs of regular usage on them and I was told, that those devices had been used for user studies/tests 'in the wild'.

Saygus is not simply smashing different components into one single phone, they are doing it wisely. Think of the position of the fingerprint reader, the light sensors and the headphone jack. Have you ever been annoyed by having the headphone jack on top of your device? That's why it's on the bottom.

And if those things only happened by accident, they even did a quite good job taking the right decisions.

When I met Chad, he told me a lot about the design and manufacturing process of the V2 and that they had specifically tested, used and reviewed different kinds of smartphones and then, based on those experiences, collected the things they liked to combine them into the V2.

I'm not sure, what your latest experience about the response time to support tickets has been, but my recent ticket, regarding an address change, from Monday afternoon ~17:00 (GMT +2) has been answered within 24 hours on Tuesday ~16:00 (GMT +2).

Best wishes from Germany,

Andreas
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
I actually prefer headphone jacks on the top.. It loses slack when on the bottom, for me. I find the cable gets cumbersome when holding the phone and the cable is coming out the bottom.

Perhaps that's just me.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I prefer it at the bottom :) Hopefully, we can see good news about V2 by end of April.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I prefer on the bottom, that way it's easy to slip the phone into my pocket top-side down.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Dear Andreas,

In spite of all these things said by you there might still arise doubts in the minds of somebody here who are not able to wait patiently till 22/5.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Guys/Girls. Can we just wait till May 22nd before going ballistic? The best thing to combat Anxiety? Put your towards something else. Buy a new hat. Get a new TV. Go on vacation. I've got a four night stay at a beach resort two weeks from now. I'll definitely keep checking back here, but I got lots of other things to do to keep my mind off of the pain of anxiety for this phone :D.

On a side note. My phone recently broke, so I went and picked up a cheap $60 phone on Amazon to fill in the gap between here and May 22nd. Well, just a few moments ago my broke phone decided to work again. Ironic ah?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I just bought GTA V pc version. I will just sit back, play game and wait for V2 :D
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
For those who don't want wait until May 22nd...there is some new stuff about the V² on the official Saygus YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGSrPO19Prg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzj1W5YCsD8
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Good to see that they're finally posting videos of the device in action, but I sure hope that Google Earth one wasn't being recorded by a V2 :x
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Camera is working condition. :)
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Tx Andreas. Again feeding with the new info. All in all, WIFI module works flawlessly in these videos and front facing camera as well. Didn't understand if other photos are snapped with the back camera. If they are- we have all optical features working. Not much left to finish the whole thing: fingerprint scanner (they said on twitter they have that going already), wireless charging (which is a standard feature and shouldn't be problems with it). You tested the speakers, and microphones should be no issue. Light sensors seem to be working, and for water resistance- I don't expect them to throw it in the water. Not just yet. When they are done with couple of spare examples, maybe then. :p
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Thanks again Andreas. As always you seem to be rescuing them with distribution of any relevant, meaningful information. Good job! :)
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
Semi-relevant news about Saygus winning a "Best of State" award:

http://www.so-co-it.com/post/386002/saygus-wins-best-of-state-award.html/
[Saygus V²] clarkgable:
Still KitKat though? I thought that the delay would have at least allowed them to upgrade to Lollipop 5.0, even if they can't get to 5.1 yet.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Having used Lollipop on my Moto X since November I'd rather Saygus wait until it's right than send out a bug fest like Moto did.
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
Correct me if I'm wrong but did Chad said that some of the pic were taken in CES15,UTAH Xmas? How is the time line legit given that they said the camera wasn't working.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
That second video is nearly unwatchable (I didn't even bother watching the first). Out of focus and shaky camera, terrible sound quality. No thought out script. Seriously? Do it right with some class or don't bother. That is just mind blowingly bad and something I'd expect from a YouTube amateur.

I know people are starving for info and updates, but, like their twitter gaffs, this just seems like amateur hour to me, ugh?!!!

I'm so sorry guys, I really thought I could hang in with my pre-order but I canceled last week. After seeing this I'm kinda glad I did :(
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I'd expect them focusing on release and shipping and not on software updates right now. We should talk about the OS, when it is released, I'd say.

Maybe we can get even a pre release version of their lollipop. ;)

In our call today, Chad confirmed that those pictures have been taken at CES earlier this year by some 5-8 MP cameras of different staff members and they choose them to demonstrate Wi-HD and working camera and not the image quality of the internal cameras.

They are aware that we are still missing the promised example images of the V2 cameras.

I'll keep you guys posted! :)
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Well, I am buying their phone, not their video production. I stuck to my preorder, and after seing this I'm kinda glad I did.

This is where they save money so my phone would come out cheaper. My info is here and so far- I am happy with the video.