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[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I almost feel bad for them when I see twitter explode every time they post. But they really brought it on themselves by doing a really piss poor job in managing this whole train wreck.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Yes, not 2 months but 8 weeks if we use weeks to count :D
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Maybe I'm one of the ones you are referring to. :)

And that's fine if you are because I am in it for the long haul as I was never going to see this phone for the next 5 weeks anyway because of work commitments.

I think I have a unique perspective ie. it has been interesting watching people getting fired up over something they want NOW. It must be a generational thing perhaps.

I'd rather concentrate on sharing information and wishing luck to Saygus, as it was always going to be a bold move, and if people were foolish enough to put forward money they don't have, or not do any research on the history of Saygus and the failure that was the VPhone...well more fool them.

With how this thread is going I realize that whenever anything that could positively contribute to it is going to get shot down but I will continue to do so whenever there is news or thoughts that other people like me would wish to know.

The thing is at the moment is that it is all a waiting game. Having a go at Saygus for not constantly posting on twitter...really?? Are people that immature that they need to be constantly fed like a baby? THERE IS NO NEWS ATM

Cheers,

A Saygus Apologist
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
They make it so it's hard to keep believing in them. I'm still in but my family and friends think I'm crazy to be hoping on Saygus.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
True mate. I have the luxury of not having told anyone so I do not have that added pressure. It would be different if they had taken all our money and run. But the fact is why bother posting ANYTHING on twitter if you were going to do that? Especially when it is now time when most people's banks won't cover them for recovery...they would have done a runner by now. But they haven't. And no-one seems to be having any major issues getting a refund. Why would you refund money if you were only going to take off with it or the phone was never going to eventuate (enter the "interest made on the money" conspiracy theorists)?

There are 3 kinds of people hanging around this thread as of now....the people who are still keen on the phone....the people who don't have the money/are getting scared...and the people who absolutely positively believe it's vaporware, got their refund and now hang around trying to justify their decision by trying to make everyone else follow them because it'll make them feel better about it.
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
LOL and I agree but would add one more into it.

The people who have requested a refund and have not received it yet. The rest of it is spot on though.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I'm still keen for sure, but will buy after I see a real world review. Please, for the love of all that is holy, release this phone already!

Sent from my M8.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
You're probably very smart doing that :)

Why people are getting upset is quite reasonable. I wouldn't call it being lied to because unfortunately the way business works, unforeseen things come up. In my job I'm told all the time that a project will start on "such and such" date only to be pushed back because a permit hasn't come through or some other nonsense occurs. Perhaps I've become immune to it and have a Que, sera sera attitude.

We have to remember that we are only 15,000 or so phones in a multi-million/billion dollar industry. It doesn't excuse how they have been treating us, but in the grander scheme of things for them, they are going to be embarking on a major marketing campaign and the fallout from that if its not perfect by then is not worth thinking about. At the moment there ARE no reviews, there ARE no articles telling us how bad the phone is and we ARE not being marketed to.

We will be the reviewers of this phone, we will be the ones who people ask about it, because we are PRE-ORDERERS of a phone that only existed as an engineering example. We didn't buy it off Amazon, or Ebay so it can't be expected to be held to the same level as that. We got on board to enjoy the ride with the hopes that our expectations would be fulfilled because we envisage a phone that has more than what the big companies are willing to put the effort into giving us. /endrant

This got away from me a bit...point is...if I wanted to play it safe I would be waiting with you redeyss and I think a lot of other people SHOULD have been doing that from the start.

In conclusion...good work for being smarter than a hell of a lot of other people who pre-ordered :)
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
I gave up and bought an excellent condition used G3 for $200. 1/3rd the cost and I can have it now.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Great price on a good phone. I used a G3 for six months but finally sold it for $260. Back to the G2 and m8 for windows phone. Tried onetouch idol3 but it was laggy and the double tap to wake didn't work so returning it.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
It is missing the back glass camera lens but that is a $10 and 3 minute fix. I will wait to see what happens with Saygus.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I called saygus

I Originally spoke with mindy, who was no help but did offer to get me a manager. I spoke to Chris, no last name was given. Chris seems kind of stumbling and unsure but he did answer SOME questions... Kind of. He did say he thought weeks not months and that the website will be updated next week hopefully. I asked him why nothing was being shown with the exception of WiHD and I got the default "there's more to come". I asked if he had personally used a fully functional v2 and he said "absolutely". I also asked about the Vphone LTE which he said was essentially obsolete by the time they could get it through verizon so they scrapped it. . I asked how long he has been with saygus and he said 2012 but he "helped out some before then." He did reference crowd funded projects a few times and their similar issues. He said they didn't want competition to know where the phone was being built or the marketing firm they are using. I did mention the forum and our frustration with the lack of communication no matter if it was good oorbad news . He did say that the company knows that it simply cannot have a poor initial batch of phones
[Saygus V²] Purest:
I wonder if ASUS' upcoming phone will hit the market before the v2 does, think they might add OIS to the front camera as well? Seems like they might.

http://androidcommunity.com/asus-reportedly-to-unveil-selfie-serving-new-zenphone-at-computex-20150530/
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Done a refund a week ago amd received a reply today that it is being process. Just waiting until next week for the transaction to appear on my bank account then I might get the Galaxy Note 4 as I am a Samsung fan. Still waiting for Saygus' unicorn to finally come.

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I wonder why NVIDIA won't make a phone. It would be great.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
I just ordered a Galaxy S5+ not the S5 but an S5+. My next phone in two years or more maybe a LG G4 or Saygus. I like to stay a little behind the cutting edge to keep the price under control.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
FYI Chris

:eek:
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I keep watching for the zenfone zoom but I haven't heard any pricing your release details since it was announced in March. I wonder if the Selfie phone will feature the same rear facing camera that the zenfone 2 has because it hasn't received great reviews.

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I read an article a few months ago about new companies being hesitant to enter the smartphone market because of stalled innovation and declining profits. It specifically mentioned that companies like Huawei and Xiaomi are making it very difficult for newcomers because of their willingness to work with razor thin profit margins relying on high volume sales.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
The number of players will begin to shrink, same thing happened in the PC market.
[Saygus V²] zelendel:
Ok guys. Now I understand your upset that the device has not shipped yet and you are not getting updated. This is what happens when you leap without looking.

Now you have 2 options.

1. Wait for the device

2. Dont wait and get something else.

Notice how there was no spam the OEM or B**ching option?
[Saygus V²] Ahg3r1:
Did anybody take a tour on google maps street view at the saygus office from inside?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...!3e2!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x2c46af9744c80955!6m1!1e1
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Not referring to anyone in particular.

It's not a generation thing. It's a "stop the bull $hit lies and deception " thing.

And it's not I want the phone "NOW" thing either. Because "NOW" was in March.

I want this device as much as you or anyone. But give me a break..... can't believe people are still looking for ways to make themselves feel better about purchasing vaporware and excusing Saygus for their utter failure and blatant disregard for their customers.

The damn thing has an 801 (32bit) snapdragon for crying out loud. They were pushing the 801's validity back in March. And now the processor is just old.....period. $600 for a 2 year old chipset....no thanks.

It's almost June. Unless Saygus releases the V2 by end of July early August at the latest with a newer 64bit processor I don't want this device anymore. Much better phones from solid companies are out and due to come out.
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
wow, they are a real company with a nice office! I wonder which of those rooms is the office of Sam Rhodes.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Lmao
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
many moderate to large business towns have office suites for hire for photo shoots. this reminds me of those.
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
It does as there is no mess and to be honest any office has paperwork somewhere. [emoji12]
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
Anyone seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=65&v=X3xgH_0Bumg
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I saw that video on the original channel that uploaded it during CES coverage..
[Saygus V²] Loragejt:
I like its shape.i want it because of its specs but I consider it beautiful though.i hope that will be a reality soon!
[Saygus V²] scomat:
The people magazine with Kelly Clarkson on the coffee table is from 6th February 2013.
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
What you say might sound good but when I should up there with out calling them first how did they know I was coming
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
did they invite you into the building and up to the 5th floor? or did someone come out of the building to meet you? next time you pay them a visit go in the front door and take the elevator to the 5th floor. you see, that particular building does the day office/virtual office thing. check it out.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
What I never understood is, if they are not secretive about showing off their biggest and innovative feature *wiHD*. Then why not show off the camera? Why not show off the fingerprint scanner? Or a video of the device recognizing the two micro SD cards?

Albeit, I know why they don't show us anything else. Because nothing else works or is ready.

They posted some pics which were taken from the V2......meh.... I call BS. They lie almost about everything else lol :p
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
From Alicia De Leon an employee of Saygus on the Facebook Fan page:

"Guys remember Apple launched 6 months after their big promotional campaign and supposed launch date in the very beginning...Yet look at them now! These things happen sometimes if a company cares about quality, performance, proper functioning tech. My very first 2 smartphones were HTC and they were total crap at $545. Per phone. I would have gladly waited for a dynamic technological monster like the Saygus V2, spending that kind of money today on any phone that doesn't give you all you desire is just lining the pockets of those who couldn't care less about what you want. You guys know most of these companies are in it for the money, they don't care what you want. Did you know that some of the features in this phone were my suggestion and the suggestion of some of our investors! Chad listens to what people want and he actually incorporated it into the phone. So my question to you all is: do you want a long standing relationship with a company that will build what you want, or do you want to be another (apple like) sheeple spending lots of money on a phone because everyone else has one and not because the company is giving you what you want? Apple IPhone is a pretty, intuitive brick! You all know for it's price it doesn't do much of anything and hasn't been upgraded to any real dynamic tech at all, it's a designer phone that carries a heafty price tag like all designer things. We are a designed by the people, for the people smartphone manufacturer and always will be. No other company will listen to you, take your suggestions and bring to life exactly what you envisioned, desired and asked for. The loyalty starts here people, not when we are a multi billion dollar company. We care about you and right now we need you to care about us, you have no idea how much we are all sacrificing to bring this to you. Believe in us! Trust us! You won't be sorry.

Have a great weekend my friends!"

" I hear you all! I totally understand and have been relaying the same message about constant communication and being forthcoming, now I can actually show this to Chad and the others to prove my theory and your points. You guys/Gals are so amazing! Communicating with you all is a pleasure."

" I am talking to Chad about better information released to you guys, he is aware and very unhappy about the Twitter account and we were discussing details on how to correct the communication issues. I may have to take some of it on myself, not sure yet but we are working on a solution."

Now this is off her own back and NOT a company thing. So please be respectful
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Mr. Courty Man,

Do you work for Saygus?
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
No...it quite clearly says on my Facebook page who I work for. Plus I live in Australia as I stated in page 2 on this thread.

But since this is the second time you've asked....no for a second time :)
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
I can't speak for anyone else, but my negativity toward this whole thing, including any comments about the apparent hopelessness of maintaining any hope for this company and keeping a preorder with them, is toward them, not those who wish to stick with them. For those that do, that's their/your prerogative, and I don't care, because it's your money. I just personally don't agree. We're each entitled to our own opinions and courses of action.

I'm glad that at least somebody at Saygus appears to have a clue (though that's still somewhat questionable, because the first half or more of their message was not hitting the points of content among most of the customers). Hopefully she has some luck in turning things around there. I, like others, would still love for there to be a phone like this out there, if not for me to purchase and use, then at least to drive other companies to make better products. I'm not completely against buying the phone if it ever does arrive, but I'm much less likely now, due to concern about support more than anything, and secondarily due to my not wanting to support a company that doesn't seem to care about its customers. You can argue that they do, and that's why they're delaying things, to make sure the customers get a quality product, but from what I've seen from them, that's more about their desire to make a very good product for their own ego (which still isn't bad) and to make sure they don't deliver a flop right away, which would likely doom them.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Well said.

If I want to be completely honest it's probably only the fact that I have to wait so long to see it anyway that doesn't make it an option for me to worry about getting a refund. At the same time it is frustrating to see people that remain hopeful get flamed and become scared to post anything, and I guess that when the doubt starts creeping in, watching people deride the company that is making the device that you have put your money into and wish to remain hopeful about can be disheartening.

So to all the people that do not believe will happen. Fair enough. I respect that and even have felt that many times through this journey.

But please leave us dreamers to our dreams :)
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Dynamic technological monster??????

Queue Public Enemy song...

"Don't. Don't. Don't believe the hype. Don't believe the hype. "

I want what she's smoking LMAO!!!!!!

I applaud her efforts though........ and optimism.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Apple: Been in the technology business for years. Released other consumer products into the market. They had (for better or worse) built up a reputation prior to release of the iPhone.

Saygus: V1 never released. Vphone LTE never released. V2 pushed back again and again. 0 reputation.

I'm not an Apple fanboy, but trying to compare the two (at least in regards to delays and following through) is laughable.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
pretty sure the vphone lte is the v2..
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Per my phone call with Chris baker, the Vphone LTE was a separate device that got mired in the Verizon certification process and was outdated by the time it was ready for mass production.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
edit: blah blah woops.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
That's what he told me when I asked him about the vphone lte specifically.
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
Apple did announce the original iPhone 6 months before shipping but during the announcement they also stated that the iPhone will ship in six months. Saygus is definitely not Apple.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
The main reason why people are hanging out for the Saygus is BECAUSE they aren't Apple.
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
If you was to go back in history of this thread you would know I already commented on the color of the hallway being darker than what you seen in virtual tour. Since that was taken back in 2012
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
I just noticed in Chad Sayers' office there is a katana display stand on the window sill. I swear I didn't know this when earlier in this thread I mentioned seppuku! I didn't seriously mean it!!! I am not advocating such harsh measures! Totally OK if you fail, Saygus, not the first time, and at this point not going to surprise or disappoint that many people.
[Saygus V²] Windswept7:
I'm with you on this journey Courtoman, this world needs idealists no matter how crazy we may seem.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
That is really what I find strange, that so many people tie a sense of their own self-worth and self-value to the success or failure of this company and/or product. To sum up, the company has had a total train wreck of a product launch that makes the overall company appear amateurish. Some may still want to wait, some may not. Either of those things seems cool to me and would probably mostly be based on personal feelings and circumstance. But when people saying that their "dream" is being crush or "bashed", by others simply stating the fact that this company has royally screwed up it's launch doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
To Sweet Alicia

To Alicia:

Sweetheart, in the time in took you to write the Facebook post, you could have written a progress report for all of us who are/were waiting for this phone, and who were generally very patient with Saygus until it was clear there wasn't a prayer of meeting the May 22 delivery date.

Nobody on this site was looking for a miracle, except for a phone with exceedingly brilliant specs that answered nearly every requirement we all have. I never expected an Apple-Saygus comparo, only some information on how this development & test spectrum was progressing, and of course that kind of information never materialized.

I'm sure if you had written something (anything!!!) meaningful, and slipped it under Chad's nose for approval, he would have been delighted to post it on the website (not the crappy Twitter feed), and many of us on this forum would have felt at least temporarily reassured. Please, no more BS Facebook or Twitter posts.

Enzo
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
unfortunately i am limited to just 2 or 3 ten minute sessions of reading and some days i miss . most of what i've read i have forgotten.
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
bashing on Apple when her profile pic is a selfie using an iphone. lol. That aside, I still hope what she says can turn into something positive.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Do you really believe that she works at Saygus?

I read her BS on that Facebook group and really loved how some members disclose her lying inn a professional way.

I don't know how some people still trust Saygus after all that deception and lying... I guess some of them are either idiots or part of the scammers team.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Saygus name is in the exhibitors list of MWC 2015. Their name was not there when I checked 3~4 days ago.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Let's hope they have a working unit!
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Looks like we'll finally have some more intell after next Monday. Can't wait!
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
A little more activity, on Saygus's Twitter account today, "Watch for exciting announcements this week..."
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Probably regarding mobile world congress and hopefully some accessories.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Thanks for the info. So ill definitely need to get a separate receiver for the saygus.

Any idea at what distance?
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
As far as I remember, they said something about 20m in the line of sight and it won't work through walls. There are receivers out there already which are compatible to WiHD, as far as I remember.

I think that information has been mentioned in the wireless HD demo video, which can be found on their site.

Can't wait to get some more news from the MWC next week! :D
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Finally! Saygus will be at the Mobile World Congress to showcase the final product I am sure. Plus I heard they are also showcasing some accessories for the superphone. And if I am right, shipping details will be out in next 2 weeks for the first batch of orders.

For the wireless HD, its 20m and cannot work if there is a physical blockage between the "beaming devices". But I would prefer to get it from Saygus as its cheaper and better than the others in the market..

Actually I am also excited to see Samsung Galaxy S6 and HTC new phone. I wonder how will it turn out to be.....

I hope to see some new tech from this MWC 2015. Let's look forward to this :)

What do you guys think? :)
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I think xda should be requested to make a forum for saygus. Maybe after mwc
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Agreed. Not sure how to do that. I've never been interested in a phone that didn't already have an xda forum.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Agreed.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I believe there will have a thread in XDA forum for Saygus V2 soon after V2 is announced or released.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
HTC and Samsung will once again disappoint. LG has been more of an innovator lately. Saygus is our only hope...
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Seen some 256gb sd cards on eBay wondering if it will be compatible
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
I know that LG flex has specified "up to 2TB" of storage. I am more interesred in technical point of view than propaganda. They say it will work "in theory". Saygus WILL be able to read 2 SD cards but they said nothing about the "theory". Does LG have 2 SD slots? Do they use the same materials, hardware, software for SD connection(s)? If we compare LG story with Saygus known facts- what is the "theory" for Saygus?
[Saygus V²] andriman:
64 GB, 128 GB, 256 GB cards are microSDXC... microSDXC supports up to 2 TB storage.. So in theory, any device with support of 64+ GB microSDXC cards will support up to 2 TB of additional storage...
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
...which makes Saygus support up to 4 TB "in theory". Right?
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
How exactly did you hear about the accessories and when shipping will begin? Just curious.