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[Saygus V²] mikemaddux:
IF they ever ship a phone, I think it's reasonable to expect even more pain for their poor, patient customers - all kinds of bugs and no customer service. A scary nightmare!
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
Good point. And can you imagine promise of updates for new Android versions or bug fixes.....

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[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I guess I'll request a refund on Monday, but what's stopped me all this time is the nagging feeling that as soon as I request a refund the phone will ship. I'm tired of this BS. I have wasted too much time checking here, and Twitter, and IGG. I need to move on.

Now I have to decide if I'll get Sony Xperia Z5 compact, or HTC One A9. I'm leaning towards the Sony because of battery, and it's smaller. If only the OnePlus X had NFC, wireless charging, and a fingerprint scanner...
[Saygus V²] slowpok22:
Sony ?, HTC ?

Will get my N6P tomorrow
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
That's a nice rig. Just too big for me.

Pretty sure its gonna be Sony FTW
[Saygus V²] efrant:
I got fed up with waiting for the V2 as well. Recently picked up an HTC One M9. No fingerprint scanner or wireless charging (but with Qualcomm's QC, it doesn't matter that much to me). So far no complaints (other than I have to wait for 2 months to have stock Marshmallow). Very happy with it.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
http://www.techhive.com/article/259...latest-crowdfunded-wearable-horror-story.html

Pretty interesting most of the listed scammers in this article are based on Salt Lake City, Utah.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
So finally our SayLies phones have been shipped! Cool! The only thing we need to find - where... Unfortuntely SayBS can't update us because there are severe communication problems on Bahamas. Therefore they've sent SaySh*t pigeons with all required information - try to catch one when you'll see it around.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
When I bailed on waiting on Saygus, I went to the LG G4 which was a compromise but really met about 90% of what I thought I wanted. If I had to reassess now, I'd say it meets about 95% of what I demand.

Now a few months later, I've ordered the LG V10. It gets here tomorrow, so I expect that it will meet my demands about the same as the G4 with several nice upgrades (always on banner display, advanced video functions, direction steering microphones, finger print, bigger screen, etc.). So I don't expect to be disappointed.

So I guess that all in all, I'm glad I bailed. I'll have been through 3 pretty good phones (HTC One M8, LG G4, and LG V10) in the time it has taken Saygus to get one completed and out the door. Even if the phone they put out is as awesome as it was promised to be 8 months ago, this experience has really left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think I'd ever do business with Saygus again even if that company started ****ting rainbows and butterflies. There are too many other companies out there, big and small, that communicate well and do what they say.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I wonder if there is somebody who believes that these phones will emerge someday somewhere. I doubt that even one unit was manufactured so far. This situation is complete nonsense...
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Go back through the comments since April or so (after the first shipping fail). There are plenty of members who were loyal and hopeful, and did nothing but tell every realist on here to keep their mouth shut. Some may still be sticking with it though. This has been like an abusive relationship: "I'll remain loyal because I love Saygus and the V^2 and I believe Saygus when they tell me they're sorry and they really will change and ship the phone."

Complete nonsense is a nice way to put it. I stick by my belief that it was a ponzi scheme from the beginning, and would encourage everyone to request a refund. Be smart, protect yourself.
[Saygus V²] :
Members,

If you think coming here to troll the thread with a disrespectful "I was right" comment is a good plan..... Think again.

Just unsubscribe from the thread if you've moved on. Or at least post respectfully.

Got it? Good! :good:

Regards,

Darth

Forum Moderator
[Saygus V²] blhd2:
I've been loyal too. And even my light years long patience is only so long. Ridiculous that Saygus tweets that it will ship at end of October then to fall completely silent now. Quite possibly the worst communication ever by a Group (hate to use the word Company) who profess to want to shake up the mobile world with an awesome product. Not gonna generate long lasting fans that way. One more week to show me something, then Pre-Order #1060 will finally give up. Sadly.
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
I do agree to be respectful with folks that subscribed pre-orders.

I do not see why we should be respectful with a company that has not been respectful at all.

Shouldn't this be the place where to safely discuss?
[Saygus V²] :
Sir, members are welcome to post anything they like about Saygus. No one ever said they can't. (minding xda language rules of course) :good:

What they can't do is name call or demean members who still hold hope or defend the company. We're all entitled to our opinion. But respecting other members, even if they disagree with us is the way to go.

;)
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
Ok thanks. :good:

Now it's clear (sorry I'm not native speaker).
[Saygus V²] QuadrupleDeke:
Anyone want to guess when the next time Saygus will say anything?

I bet nothing is heard for at least 2 weeks, and it will be a generic "We ran into a couple of issues but we're close!" statement on Twitter.
[Saygus V²] ryanwoods10:
Finally got through to Mindy after attempting for the past 3 weeks. Long story short she said she has not been updated to the current situation of the phone and as far as she was concerned the phone should have shipped by the 31st as promised. She's promised to push for an update however I think i'll be cancelling on Friday and opting for the Moto X Force. Bit more than i wanted to pay but pretty similar in specs and the screen comes with a 4 year warranty.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Extremely promising company...
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
Samuel the chat robot on Saygus.com site promises update in a week. I asked him "Before Nov. 9?". He said within a week. Unreal..........
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
I think they will say. We are a company with visions and make a great phone. maybe the best one every on market. such great phone need time. but we are sure that it didnt take long anymore. we thank all our fan´s and you will be excited if you hold the phone in your hands.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
I do not understand their company philosophy and work operation.

They tell uns again and again that they have no informations and she have to be ask anyone other, but folks, they are a company with round about 50 employees!!!

Thus they would tell us that the left hand does not know what the right hand does....and that in a such a "big" and "confusing" company :eek:

I have no idea how long i should be remain in this game but i will absolutely have this phone.

Think i will wait one more week until the next update (with hopefuly good news).

Cheers
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I don't think they have any philosophy at all except of "Inhale. Hold it. Exhale. Smile". If they all had a bong they'd all get along. Otherwise it is difficult for them meet each other.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
A lot of the operation, including manufacturing of the phones, is outsourced to other companies I think. Employees in Saygus might not have full information of whats going on with the outsourced processes.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Yes of course they didn´t manufactured their phones. it will be produced in asia. But if they didnt know how far the process is, then they didnt have their business under control.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
They don't have any business, nor any manufacturing process.

It is all a big lie and living scam.

I started to believe they only have these 3 demo units showed them from time to time and did some modifications on them every several months.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Exactly - Saygus this is thimblerigger company.

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One interesting detail - Andreas has removed info about shipping on October 31st from his site, despite this info is still on twitter page.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
I am wondering 5215 people follow them in twitter, but only one ask for an update. whats wrong with them. if i had a twitter account i want write everyday for an update. till they kick me if that is possible.
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
Yeah, I'm that one person. They haven't kicked me yet. I ask on each different thread. Doesn't help.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I opened a support ticket asking for an update and never heard back from them. I've asked for updates on Twitter so many times I can't remember if I did it recently.
[Saygus V²] andrewia:
I have been watching the V2 for a while now with interest. I really want the V2 to ship so I can buy one (maybe if it ever ships I can buy it off of one of you?) but the delays are very reminiscent of my experience with the HOT Watch. They promised a December 2013 ship date, then they delayed it several times. I finally received my $120 Early Bird Basic unit in May 2015, but since I had already bought a (much better) Sony Smartwatch 3, I sold the HOT Watch for $60 to a family member. The V2 is almost identical in many aspects (terrible marketing, little communication, overpromising, etc.) but unlike the HOT Watch campaign, Saygus posts updates once a month and has shown functioning prototypes. So I think the V2 will eventually ship (although stuff like the camera might not work as well as expected) but like many other crowdfunding companies, Saygus fell hook, line, and sinker for the Chinese manufacturers' promises. Now they are paying the price.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Granted, but just because they selected Chinese manufacturers' this should not indemnify them from providing communications to their customers.

I'm totally P*SSED that the "Very soon. Shipping this month - October" has been totally ignored.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
The worse thing from my point of view are not permanent Saygus lies - I suppose that even hardcore Saygus supporters have already understood with whom we have business. The biggest problem for me at least is complete lack of alternatives. There is no much choice of compact phones: Z5 compact, Xiaomi Mi4c, ZTE Nubia Z9, ZTE Blade S7, ZTE Axon Mini and recently rumored Meizu Pro 5 Mini. Z5 could be great choice but is has only one SIM slot and famous Snap 810 which in my case (hot climate) means total disaster. Same Snap 810 takes Nubia Z9 out of possible choices. Axon Mini supposed to be great phone (no exact details yet), but with bumper case it will be too big for me. So what is left are Mi4c and Blade S7. Mi4c is not bad, only lacks SD Card, but with 32GB + some cloud storage it is possible to manage somehow. Blade S7 is also good option but its second SIM slot is shared with SD Card which basically means that it is almost the same like Mi4c, because when I'll need to put second SIM card I will have to take out SD card, which is quite stupid. Rumored Meizu Pro 5 Mini will be with 64GB storage, no SD card (almost for sure) and Dual-SIM. And it will be pretty compact - 4.7" screen, which is enough for me. If it will have decent battery and camera it could be better choice out of all possibilities.

Taking in account the lack of alternatives (nothing competative to V2 appeared during past year) it is possibe to conclude that there are severe difficulties to produce the phone with declared specs of V2. Therefore I have serious doubts that V2 will appear and even if it will appear I have more serious doubts that it will work properly. Looks like Saygus team fighting with windmills. The result is known from the beginning...
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Not to persuade you decision. But snap dragon dropped production of original 810 with heat problems they only sell a version 2 of the 810 no more heat problems.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
This^^

As proven by the new N6P:good:
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
May be you're right, but Z5 Compact still has only one SIM card and Nubia Z9 probably got old version of 810, since there are still plenty reports about heating problems with this phone. You could realize that putting such phone under the windshield in the car, when outside temperature is 40+ C ;) Could be very hot piece of hardware. :laugh: And not forget - it is quite pricey phone. :silly:
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Saygus representative "Mindy" confirmed that reviews units will be sent this week and the first patch of consumer units will be shipped this Monday.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Nice discovery. Glad to have such alert readers! :good:

In order to avoid confusions, I've removed that info. (Just another slipped shipping date :P)

I'll put up some more substantial details about shipping and the device, as soon as I have some.

Due to the reliability of Saygus' dates in the past and fastidious German customs, I personally do not expect to receive the V² before the end of next week.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
There is no way this is even remotely true because Saygus has not confirmed any shipping addresses, and they are certainly not going to ship phones to year old contact info. Also, they said they are going to bill us for shipping and most of the credit cards in the US have switched to Chip and Pin this year and are no longer valid. I want this phone post haste, but I don't want to get hopes up. I want some concrete info...like an email with tracking info, and charges for shipping on my bank account.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I know that, I just wanted to show you how liars they are.

Go to the chat operator. He has the same info.

Almost 20 review units will ship this Friday to the reviewers (Andreas claimed one of them).

The upcoming Monday around 1000 units will ship to the consumers.

I don't believe them, but this is the news that came from Mindy and Samuel.

Try to call them and see!

Sent from my A0001
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Not true. All of my credit cards are still mag-stripe-only, they continue to work fine, and I've received no notices to replace them.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Nice joke! :good: Love it so much! :fingers-crossed:
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
While it's true that a new version of SD810 was created to help the heating issues, this new version is still controversial, and some phones, like sony z3 plus, is still reported to overheat. If you do some googling, you will find out that there are rumors of overheating in z5 compact also. Sony has added extra cooling functionality to z5, indicating that they are still conserned about overheating issues with SD810. Its probably vise to stay away from SD810-devices, even the ones with v2.1.

http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...uffering-heat-issues-snapdragon-810-v2-1.html
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
To be honest I think that the market is not asking for a 5 inch dual sim + dual sd! I don't think these specs are difficult to implement.

All the other interesting specs (battery savings chip, sunlight mode, wireless mirroring, dual boot......) are yet to be seen how and if the work!

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[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Honestly speaking I don't need those interesting specs: nor battery chip, nor sunlight mode, nor wireless mirroring and for sure nor dual boot. I'm not finding these specs as interesting - not at all. I also don't need dual SD - one is perfectly enough.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Well I do want dual SIM and dual SD and all the other goodness. But I'm not leaving my greens in a trash can on a street corner in the middle of Utah for any Joe to run off with. I might look again if the V3 becomes commercially available, but this advocate (pre-order #5780) has thrown in the towel. Too little info, too long a time waiting. My Note 3 can easily last a while longer.

I will watch from the sidelines whilst I expect to cringe at the drawn out refund process (still awaiting confirmation of it being acknowledged).
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
where you finde this information? sorry about stupid asking.

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it was a mistake, how i can delete my own messages?
[Saygus V²] ryanwoods10:
Just phoned again and got through to Mindy, contrary to what people have been saying she still has not been given an update as to a shipping date. I've therefore started the refund process.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
BTW - there is still nothing regarding Dream phone in FCC database. So if it will be shipped it will be done (most probably) without FCC certification. I suppose the same is true regarding CE certification. Wonder how it get through German customs without proper certification, unless they don't give a damn about the cert.
[Saygus V²] mccoolyo:
I talked to the saygus live chat support, and a support agent named Samual said that the review phones will be sent out this week and consumer ones will be sent out next week. But who knows, there could always be some kind of a tornado that will knock down the delivery trucks holding the only phones out there, and causing saygus to have another delay so they can get more manufactured.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Lol

They don't even bother give excuses anymore.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I would rather have an excuse than silence. (waiting for a oneplus x invite for North America)
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Their excuses budget just ran out. We need to pay extra in order to get some new fresh Saygus excuses.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
As the German customs are very exact when it comes to declarations and certifications, it will be quite a hard 'game', to get it through without CE certification. ;)
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
So you'll bribe them? :p
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
They wrote in a twitter post that they wanted the FCC certification to be kept confidential until the phone was released, so its possible that we won't see anything in the database before after the phones have shipped.

Anyway, I think it's a bad sign that they suddenly have gone complete silent after a missed shipping date. My guess is that they discovered some problems whit the produced phones, and they have decided to hold them back. I doubt we will see any devices anytime soon :crying:
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
As far as I understand once wireless product is shipped it means that it is released. Numerous sources claimed that Saygus shipping review units this week. By doing so without proper FCC certification they most probably violate the rules. Therefore it is somewhat dubious that these units are even produced, not speaking about any shipments, because basically FCC information should be available to general public before somebody will start using these wireless devices. Who knows, maybe Dream Phone will burn someone's brain :D Just add to this complete silence after missing shipping deadline and doubts will go even stronger.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Mr. Waterplant,

Do you know how long BlackBerry took to pass Priv FCC?

How long the LG V10 or HTC A9 to get approved?

Answer: Barely a week.

Also, nothing was confidential, you can check for the data yourself.

Why you have to believe everything Saygus said?????

What produced phones are you talking about?

Till May 20th, Saygus was confident to ship by May 22nd until that magic manufacturer problem happened.

So, answer me Mr. Waterplanet,

Where was FCC approval in that early story????.

Saygus must win the biggest lie award of 2015.

Wow people are still believing SayBS stories and using them as facts!!!.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
hopefully he keeps right...
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
I will try to answer your questions if you ask me in a respectful way.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
IMHO he is very respectful. Little bit emotional, but very respectful. :good:

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Just browse this thread and count how many times he kept right. :D:cyclops:;)
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
I know, but dont take me away from my illusion:fingers-crossed:
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
The worst thing that I'm also there with you. ;) And I don't understand why... :eek:
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Saygus can request information to remain confidential, yes, but they can't request the confidentiality request document itself to be confidential. That document is always public facing.

If they submitted it to the FCC, there would, at the very least, be a entry in their database for the confidentiality notice, but if you do a search for the grantee code XP3 (Saygus), all that comes up is the old V1.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Actually he was very respectful and called you ''Mr.'' twice, and his point of view is very logical.

Why would anyone believe Saygus? Their lying meter blown out
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
I did not say anything about believing Saygus or not, so his questions was not very relevant to my post. I just mentioned that Saygus claimed to have asked for fcc confidentiality. That's all. Personally i consider myself agnostic towards Saygus. I don't believe the entire thing is a scam, but I don't take every word coming from them as the truth.

If someone is more likely to believe Saygus, maybe it's because they are very smart? I read recently that smarter people tend to be more trusting in general.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/study-smarter-people-are-more-trusting/284520/
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
What happened to page 450?! Alright, who bad mouthed saygus....again.....to make the moderator shut us down.......again.....! :)
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Smarter people must trust scammers,,, ROFL

You are right. That is why most of the homeless people were lawyers, doctors, and scientist according to a similar study.

Because of their smartness they trusted everyone, and then, being scammed and run out of everything to finally be a homeless folk.
[Saygus V²] WolfAndDog:
Unfortunately all those delays, "we'll ship it next week, promised!" and fundrising-matters kill every aspect of trustworthiness in the eyes of since over one year highly interested potential buyers (me and friends whom I have recommended this phone, specifically because of dual-boot option and booting from memory cards as alternative solution).

This does not only talk for me, but as well those I had recently a discussion with: IF they consider buying it after all those horrible untrue announcements coming from Saygus... then for sure only used/new on eBay or similiar online sale websites, after it actually arrived on the seller and is ready to be picked upon "live".

I wonder if this was/is exactly, what Saygus wanted/wants? To ruin the trust of potential consumers before the phones are even widely a success and ordered? Even before any reviews of live products and bugs/flaws hits the market..?

Luckily I don't have to understand this behaviour from this company.. I wouldn't be able to.

I am not a native english speaker so forgive me possible flaws in the field of grammatical spelling. :eek:

Best regards,

Wolf
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
But this is a future phone and they understand our sadnest, but it will be send soon, the awesome phone. ... bla bla bla bla bla and bla
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Do you think we will witness the New Saygus V³ this CES?
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
I reckon it'll be a miracle if we see the Saygus V² this CES!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I totally disagree with you - it'll be a miracle if we'll see Saygus.
[Saygus V²] mccoolyo:
Just talked to "Samuel" again

This is what he said word for word when i asked him at around 10:30 am 11/9/15------

"Yes supposed to be this week. Management handed us a memo last week that shipment would be within this week. But We will get updated news from management by tomorrow with regards to updates on the shipment.

If you would like to get more details on your order I would suggest to contact our Main office in Utah via this number: 801-748-1780."

I am currently without a phone, could someone call that number and see if it is just another BS story?
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I called them a little while ago, Mindy this time told me that they are ready for shipping but don't have exact time from the management.

I don't know who run this management!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This is management on the run.