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[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
This very much so, We shouldn't turn on each other, or anyone one person because of yet another delay. It's Saygus that we should have an issue with, not andreas.

I can be pretty sure that andreas hasn't gone and intentionally deceived us, He's told us what he knows. Unfortunately it seems that not all of the info that has been given was accurate
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
This post is frankly disgusting and completely uncalled for.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
It still has a very valid point through reflecting people used to defend Saygus for no reason and refuse any opinion show skeptical feeling toward Saygus.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I am going to stick around, at least until their next ship date, because there is no other premium (android) phone with a 5" or less screen.

I hope this is a classic underdog tale, and Saygus, who I haven't given up on yet, will put out a great phone that is unique in the market. Fortunately, I don't really need the money, and its been gone long enough that I don't miss it. I back Kickstarters occasionally, and this is routine with bringing a new product to market. Hang in there guys, or bail out and be happy with your next phone.
[Saygus V²] bveditz:
I'm now out... My nexus 5 started having serious issues prior to the original shipping date (march-ish?) and I've been using a bunch of mediocre phones in the meantime because there wasn't much out that I wanted. I also wanted a 5" screen, wireless charging, stereo speakers, replaceable battery, SD cards, great camera... I was willing to give a pass on the last gen display and cpu since those didn't matter much to me. However, nearly 6 months after CES, the specs on this phone are getting more outdated (specs, not features.. the features are still awesome I think). Also, since Saygus is a hardware company, my other concern all along was that even if they deliver a phone with great hardware, I don't think they have the resources on the software side to take advantage of that hardware (for instance, AOSP camera will likely not give us a good camera experience even with those camera sensors). Android has long delivered phones with better camera sensors then iphone, but until recently (with samsung & lg and their huge development efforts in-house), they have not been able to deliver a good camera experience. Even google with their nexus line can't provide a decent camera experience. :)

We'll see what else comes out, but I may go the route (as others) towards the G4... I'm not a big fan of the 5.5" screen and those stupid rear volume/power buttons... but, the specs on that which matter most to me, it has (replaceable battery, great camera, sd card & (though an add-on) wireless charging).
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Ah well, at least I still have The Witcher 3 to look forward to after finals.
[Saygus V²] BtotheT:
Pumped.

Best high speed 128gb price/performance ratio. There is a quicker model out in a couple months but it would be overkill in a phone and cost 40% more.

http://imgur.com/eptqDqb

Must advise you buy for B&H if possible, both Amazon and Newegg have counterfeits in their inventory from a company called Adorama, which are slower and fail.
[Saygus V²] AdamColligan:
Broken link.
[Saygus V²] BtotheT:
Improved + Replaced.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
The odd bit is that Adorama is a legit company.

edit: with some quick googling it seems like Adorama isn't intentionally selling the fakes but rather it's a supply problem.
[Saygus V²] prasathvishnu:
Not so good news. Twitter posts informs delay.

"We may have been a bit ambitious in selecting May 22 as our ship date. The V² is on the assembly line, but is delayed. Updates to come."

Chatting with the customer care confirmed the same

You have been transferred to: Jessica.

With the shipping about to start in a day, when can we expect shipping charges and mode of payment

Jessica

Hello. There has been a slight delay in the shipment date. But don't worry we are fixing some last minute issues to make sure the phones are of very high quality when they land in your hand. Kindly bare with us for a few more days. Our apologizes for the delay.

Client

When s the revised shipping date?

Jessica

We will announce the revised shipping date in a couple of days.

Client

Is the delay number of days or weeks?

Jessica

Even thought i don't have an exact date, We expect it to be in days.
[Saygus V²] BtotheT:
But not when it comes to it's Lexar micro SDs, they're even selling the unreleased models before Lexar has release them(cause they're fakes/duds). They're kicking out fails through both site Amazon n Newegg, reviews make it evident, ppl at getting half the speeds and high failure rates. So though very infrequent B&H is the best current choice(for this given product).

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Failsauce.. But I can understand with some quality control checks.. Maybe some current mainstream model patching.. Meh hopefully they're right with days not weeks. I can wait 6 days EZ PZ
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
For the love of....all I want is a LG G2 sized phone with removable LARGE battery, built in wireless charging, and 3-4gb of ram. Why is this so dang hard to find??
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
more delays!!!?!?!?! damn you saygus,.... but ok, just one more chance :P
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
NO matter what all people here is saying I STILL WILL WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS ALL END

for the first time i faced like this delay and miscommunication from a phone factory BUT all what i believe is that saygus will make it !!! no matter all the mismanegmaent and miscomunication
[Saygus V²] babaAntoun:
I jumped ship almost a month ago. I was fed up with being strung along by their utterly useless communications. Didn't post much here because the Saygus fanboys slapped down anyone who had any doubts.

It's shocking that they waited until the day before their supposed shipping date to announce that there were still some things to iron out - they must have known that they weren't going to make the date a while back.

Hope it works out for all those who stayed in but I wouldn't trust this company for after sales service when the phones still have glitches.

On the other hand, I did get my refund after five days.
[Saygus V²] Official_Noob:
Waiting Since January...

I saw this over at CES and the demos that they had there were barely operational from a practical standpoint for showcasing the phone's capabilities.

Just one question though, and that is that since the V2 will come rooted if you buy it from Saygus (I assume) and not one of the service providers, what happens with updates?

The device is expected to launch in a day or two with 4.4.4, but in a rooted state what happens when they push out an update to 5.x?

With updating will the device lose root or will it be a pre-rooted version of the stock OS?

Months ago I downloaded 4.4.2 to my N7100 from one of the Sammy sites, and surprisingly did not lose root, but of course I had to go through it again and remove a lot of the useless stuff (for me, at least) that came with the new ROM.

Just thought that I'd throw that out to the group.

I just hope to goodness that this phone doesn't turn out to be vaporware.
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
Wow. I waited this long, so I guess I will hold on longer.
[Saygus V²] hypoPLAsm:
I haven't got any email from Saygus in the last few weeks. So I learned about the delay here in this thread - and asked the online support guy then, why I didn't get a notification about that.

He seemed rather pi**ed and wasn't very polite. So I asked for a refund now and am looking forward to another device like the Zenfone 2 - and hopefully a review about the V2 in some weeks.:)
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Alternatives?

Ok, so it looks like the V2 either is not going to get released, or will be so late that its spec sheet really hinders it - agree entirely with a previous post that the phone's features remain awesome, but the specs are already bottom-end of flagship and will soon be top-end midrange at best...

Believe me when I say that despite getting my preorder refunded a month or so ago, I am in no way happy or gloating at this latest setback, the V2 still has all the features I want and even now if it came out and was well received I wouldn't hesitate to buy it.

But I have had to consider some alternatives - I am currently using a Z3 Compact but have had this for nearly 9 months now, and that's a long time for me to have a phone! So, here are some thoughts on alternatives, I would be very interested to hear what phones you all have been considering. Removable battery is not a great concern to me so I've not listed that as a pro or con ;)

Asus Zenfone 2 ZE551ML

Pros - 4gb RAM, good price point, 64gb internal storage

Cons - 64gb SD capacity, poor camera performance, reports of terrible battery performance, large handset

Samsung Note 4

Pros - Well established, leading camera performance, high screen resolution, top grade construction and still well specced

Cons - I don't really like Touchwiz, still a large phone, expensive (though roughly the same price as a V2 now)

LG G4

Pros - Good camera, high ppi, brand new

Cons - Still pretty big, SoC feels like a compromise, doesn't really offer much that the Note 4 doesn't but is proced higher

But, to be honest I'm not really feeling any of these phones, and I'm reluctant to jump higher than a 5 inch screen. Then there are the following phones, which don't actually exist yet, which I would consider ZTE Nubia Z9, Sharp Aquos Xx, Xperia Z4 Compact, again the screen size on most of these is getting what I would consider too large.

So, I'm just not sure. I have £400 burning a hole in my pocket, and there just isn't really anything that offers me a big enough upgrade on my Z3C that I feel inclined to buy it.

Dammit Saygus!
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Hey guys,

since we've got another timezone here in Germany, I've been sleeping during the last 8 hours. and needed to get through all the new posts first.

I haven't disappeared and never tried to trick or fool you. Like you, I've also received Saygus' email about the shipping delay and I also have a pre order, which I want to get delivered.

So I absolutely understand how you are feeling now and I'm also disappointed by the fact the we have to wait any longer.

Thank you to everyone who chooses to continue to support this endeavour. Hopefully, with patience, we will get through this together as a team and end up with something great! :)

Kind regards,

Andreas
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
I am confused...

Hey guys,

short question: did anybody from germany receive the email with the shipping costs and the way of payment?

I have straight talked with samuel rodes and he tells me that it is possible, that my email account was may be excluded from the mailing list.

But i should not be worry, "every client will get the emails".

Can anyone tell me something about the way of payment for the shipping costs?

I am a Little bit confused:silly:
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
There is no payment as there is no phone. They set a shipping date without having a finalized product. The product is just now hitting the production line (if you believe this weeks excuses anyways). Therefore testing and certifications has probably not even begun yet. As of last night I am out. To the ones holding in best of luck to you that the vaporware materializes. I will sit back and watch how it plays out though.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
Please, if you don't want wait, ask a refund and stop crying !!
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Their hompage website update is so annoying. It says "ARE YOU READY?"

Ready for what? Another delay and BS emails and posts from twitter. Ready for another delay? Ready for another lies they are making?

F@&$&@&ck&#&#&@ing I was ready to get the device since I paid my pre-order fee.

What the heck are they talking about?

These company sucks big time!!!
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Lol, saw this after you posted this
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
I'm holding onto my preorder just a bit longer... namely, until either Google announces something at IO that I want more, or the LG G4 is available in the US. At such time, the V2 either better have shipped, or Saygus will need to have done something to EXHAUSTIVELY restore my good faith in them... lying to your customers really doesn't make me want to stick with them, but my backup plan ain't out yet.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
Come on guys, they took your money from day 1 pre-order, something no dodgy company would ever do.

Nothing they have done has been decent or worthy - all they have ever given out are just words.

There's no proof of a scam but the signs are all there!

If you cant afford to loose the money then get off the ride, while you still can get your money back.

Part of a good scam is making sure you hold onto the victim as long as possible, right to the very end, and then bam!

They are long gone with the money.

Just take the risk and hold on tight!
[Saygus V²] post_break:
People would have been so much more lenient if they explained themselves. Like "We're delaying the launch because X supplier is having trouble supplying the display and we need a few more weeks to ramp up production" and stuff like that. If they were transparent from the beginning, giving you guys updates on where they were on a week by week basis, none of this would have happened. Instead you get smoke and mirrors and delays for who knows what. Yet it's a jesus phone to the creators and we haven't seen a single consumer build phone... RIP saygus, get your refund while they still have money in the bank.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
what about the galaxy s6 active? they say it will have a micro sd slot - i know the battery may not be replaceable but the spec are quite nice.

The low light 4k video recording is bloody awesome so hope they dont reduce the specs on the active version.

the s6 has a pretty good battery life even though its quite small and with super fast charging and wireless charging, its not too bad, not better than swapping batteries but nearly just as good.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
If Saygus fails to deliver or if I give up and cancel my order, I will consider the Galaxy S6 Active because it will supposedly have a much larger battery than the regular S6, a microSD slot and will be waterproof. If the camera in the S6 Active does not have optical image stabilization like the regular S6 then I won't consider it. I'm not sure if the S6 Active will support wireless charging because of it's ruggedized body.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I've got my eye on the s6 active and G4. S6 reportedly has 3500mah battery.

Sent from my M8.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
i think the consensus is that wireless charging works with most cases but the thicker it is, the more picky it is with placement, so it might get annoying trying to hit the spot with thick cases. thats where you put on the thinking cap and hack yourself some magnet catches or something to assist the placement :)

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yeah hopefully thats true, but it will make the s6 active quite bulky. if so, maybe they place 2 wireles charging coils instead of just 1, so its 2amps double the charging rate...

Also the note 5 is on its way, but dont hold your breath :p
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Well spotted

Cheers for the heads up fellas, this certainly looks like the next best thing :good:
[Saygus V²] sheriffa:
I'm making my decision on June 1. It will either be the LG G4 or the Saygus. At this point it is the G4 but I want a Saygus...if that unicorn exists.
[Saygus V²] billybob4:
Looks like they got that as well.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
That qoute didn't apply to them. Becuase truly people think they are a fool and fooling us all the time. BSing us flor how many times. You might not agree with me but hey that is the truth.

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Their chances of having my money invested to them is until the 22nd. I am going for a refund on the 23rd if I get no email for shipping.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Are you saying to use the "Frequency Range in MHz" option on the FCC search page to search for 60GHz?

If so, are you searching for 60000 MHz (which is 60 GHz) since that that search option is for MHz?
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
S6 active is great if you want something hideous and mediocre.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Found this great listing of the most recent FCC approved cell phones

New Phones New FCC Approvals

This is up-to-date, as the Alcatel one touch Idol 3 (which will be shipped tomorrow) is posted.
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
Yes, you need to specify in 1000's of MHz. The actual range I used is 60163 to 62957 since that is the frequency range of the WiHD receiver.
[Saygus V²] mbfdias:
So, no saygus... weird
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
How is it weird? FCC is a serious organization, they don't certify imaginary vaporware, as well as unicorns.
[Saygus V²] mbfdias:
I wish saygus would comment on this lack of fcc certification then
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
The V1 is there. Nothing for the V2 unless it was registered under a different name.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I'm also one of the ship-jumpers. I've just found that I can't have any confidence in anything Saygus says at this point. There's no excuse for them saying "everything is on schedule" multiple times and then sending that email. If they seriously had no idea this was coming like they say, they're extremely incompetent, and clearly have learned nothing from their mistakes.

But I don't believe that they had no idea. They lied to us again. Just like they did when they claimed the email was being sent out in batches, and just like they did when they said the email would contain additional information.

And if all the execs are on vacation right now... I kind of hope that is also a lie, but whether or not it's true, it's another indication of incompetence. Who leaves their company during release time?

The last straw was when the last email contained no clear details about what went wrong, no estimates about when it would be fixed, or when we could expect more information. They owe us some transparency at this point. More hand-waving and puerile tweets aren't gonna help.

It's time for them to grow up. But I can't wait for that anymore. Best of luck to those few that are holding on. I hope it does turn out to be a great phone in spite of the company that makes it.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Hellow Andreas,

I am also with you till the end.
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
Oh you guys.

Do you understand how FCC works? They certify a design ready to be mass-produced with the exact specs of the model FCC is using for their testing. If you submit a design, it gets certified, and then modified and sold - *FCC might fine them and force removal of product from market*.

According to yesterday's update, the phone is still on assembly lines, and requires antenna changes.

Unless SayBs hired a semi legal hack sweat shop in China to assemble these, and that shop messed up the production (not possible 95%), this means SayBs found a problem with their design, and decided to adjust something last minute.

This means SayBs never yet had the final model to even send to FCC!

They were probably hoping to:

1) produce the first small batch quickly,

2) announce it is ready to keep the users quiet,

3) quickly get FCC approval, (this however can take weeks, so even if it all worked, there would have still been a delay)

4) start "officially" shipping, to customers in countries that don't require FCC approval, just so there are social media posts of people receiving phones, proving SayBs is not a liar.

5) while the rest of the phones are still hitting assembly lines.

What happened is (1) was done and the phones were probably in their hands beginning to mid-week. They were happy up till Wednesday, thinking they are on track, and actually leading people to believe that with their tweets. Which is kind of a partial (2).

Then they realized the phone has defects in design and they have to change something. So, (3-5) were halted, they will modify the design and fire off the assembly lines again for another small batch.

This above theory of mine is also supported by the fact that if SayBs really built all the preordered phones (plus some more for retail), and THEN found the antenna problem, they would have to go bankrupt, and Chad would have to perform a sepukku on himself, if he had any honor.

P.S. Anything between * and * is my guess.

P.S.2. I took the liberty to assume the coming announced rebranding of Saygus is going to be a change to a more appropriate name, SayBs.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
We are in the same boat! I'm running a LG g2 still. Great phone actually. I am looking at the same phones but I dont want anything larger than the g2.

Rumor has it there will be a new nexus device around 5.2 inches. Let's hope it is announced soon.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
Let's hope it has a removable bat/SD card and on CDMA :cool:
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Thanks for that info. That's definitely an easier search than using more generic searches. Technically the easiest way to find the Saygus FCC authorization should be to search by Grantee Code for Saygus which is XP3 but unfortunately that's only showing their first phone the V1 that was never sold.

I asked them via Twitter last night but they didn't answer.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
The V2 is hardly a looker, but as long as the S6 Active is rugged enough not require a case I can live with its looks.

Not sure I'd agree with 'mediocre' though. In what way?
[Saygus V²] funkbuqet:
Super disappointed in Saygus. As mush as I dislike Samsung, the S6 Active does look nice. Too bad it doesn't seem to support CDMA and is rumored to be AT&T exclusive (for a while at least).
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Yeah really! I'm no Samsung fanboy but the s6 camera is the best in market right now, add a big battery and rugged body that's waterproof with SD card and you've got a contender!
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
One of the most germane, cogent analysis I have read so far about this entire snarl. When OnePlus was first announced, and they required one of their Mickey Mouse invites before you could buy a phone, I thought that was the ultimate juvenile approach to an attempt to do legitimate business, and I didn't think anybody could top OnePlus until now, with this Saygus (SayBS) debacle.

PS--Still awaiting a refund, which I requested several days ago.

(This comment was intended to be a "quick reply" to the comment by kreoXDA, above.
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
Me too...;)
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
Concerning the email, can you explain please:

''The phones are on the manufacturing line'' : ok still in production

''. We just concluded a review of the status of all critical factors in preparation for shipment'': it's about the phone or its concerning shipping process?

'' We still need to finalize some quality assurance and network testing'': thats testing the antena?

thank you
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
Full Disclosure--Refund On The Way

In the interest of full disclosure, inasmuch as I have been extremely skeptical for the last week or so, and particularly concerned with whether or not Saygus even has/had the cash to make refunds, I just received the following email:

Hello,

We have fully refunded your purchase and according to our credit card processor, it will show in your account within 5 to 10 days. Thank you for considering the V². Please, make sure to follow us on our social media accounts to keep up with the latest updates!

Sincerely,

Saygus Service Team