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[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
I too want to order before May 1st deadline to get my pre regi offer. But as much as I WANT to be 100% trusting of Saygus, I am not. The fact that their responses to some basic questions differ vastly makes me uncomfortable. And to be clear, that does not mean I am against Saygus. It's the total opposite.

I very much want them to succeed! As this has been a hobby of mine since 2004 and I've been on xda since 2007. And this device has EVERYTHING I ever wanted. From a developer/themer point of view, to a power user point of view. The specs and capabilities of this device hit all my check marks. I'm just not willing to deal with loosing $550 or dealing with any bull crap if things don't work out for them. I really wish they would have released a fully working video review to any respectable website reviewer. I think it would have been very beneficial to hype up the device. Instead it feels like the second coming of anyone's favorite prophet/god or whatever. I never was a sheep/just have faith kind of guy... always more of a science and philosophy kind of person.

Saygus I say this....

Instead of replying to me "Hurry! As this offer expires May 1st!" I would like to say that perhaps you guys can hurry. And post a fully working video so that I and many others can feel 100% comfortable buying a device from a tiny company with no proof that they "Have been around the block a few times"

Peace, love and the BEST of luck team Saygus!!!!!!!!

With respect to all..... C. Brown. Still waiting on the sidelines.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I asked that same exact person about Verizon/CDMA a few days ago, and he said that the model being launched on May 22nd will only have GSM radios.

Second half of my post here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60359092&postcount=1880

Now we have conflicting reports, so if someone else could verify, it'd be appreciated.
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
V2

fogive my rant, but i am very conflicted . - i am very very keen to get this but

Having just seen a post about the QSAlpha and their lack or release make me nervous,(last update Oct 2014) but i think they had unrealistic expectations. the guy was a perfectionist and not an engineer. However Sagus looks very plausible .and they look more like geeks and not slick salesman which helps on a +ve side. I believe they may be like some of us techys. Then also the posts re number of Saygus employees being inconsistent -ve. Finally why no more working videos , I can only assume no video due to not fully working yet? or they would have released the videos straight away? unless some proof of a finished product i think i'll wait :(, its too much money to gamble, $50 for an extra battery and screen that i hope i wouldn't need anyway and with the uk exchange rate against the dollar rallying it might be better anyways to wait here in the uk. I really hope they pull it off, cos I will be ordering straight away and abandoning my apple iphone 5s

fingers crossed
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
I wouldn't worry too much about the discrepancy in employee numbers.

As a start-up, Saygus will be outsourcing a lot of work. The new marketing people are probably just on short-term contracts. The manufacturing is in Shenzhen, and no doubt most of these guys are not officially Saygus employees.

So, on the one hand there are probably about 20 people (number plucked out of the air) who are full employees, but clearly that would not be a message that you would want to broadcast to potential customers, so you probably tell people different things at different times, depending how many people you think of as "working on the V²". Maybe you think in terms of "full-time equivalent" people based on hours worked, or most likely you just come up with a big-sounding number that is the sum of the employees of all of your sub-contractors.

What matters is the quality of the work and the technical and management oversight of that work. We are still in the dark about that, and will be until we see the quality of the finished product.
[Saygus V²] ridcully1:
too much worries

C'mon guys, dont getting paranoid.

Keep calm

and carry on!

End of may, we'll know.... until the, I don't care.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
Yeah I saw that, he seemed a little confused though. But who knows. Does anyone know of any other way of communicating this question to someone at Saygus that has a little more authority to speak on the manner?
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I have one question for you, are you old enough to remember Mac going to market?
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Just my opinion...

But if Saygus released just one working device to someone like CNET or another big tech media, I am pretty sure that the V2 would go viral! I'm am sure their pre-sales would number at least into the 100.000 range instead of 10.000.

Imagine this Saygus!!!! A professional media person from a top rated tech site reaches into a big glass of water only to pull out a V2! He/she then opens the back cover showing off the dual micro SDs buy inserting two. He/she then drops the V2 on a wireless charging pad! At the same time showing off the Kevlar and fractal antenna. Then the reviewer drops it saying "oops my bad." Upon picking it up he/she says "this thing is a beast " and that's the queue to show off the front facing Harmon Kardon speakers .... the reviewer unlocks the V2 via fingerprint scanner to play Shoot to Thrill from ACDC (Or insert favorite motivational song here). Then the reviewer snaps some pics and videos showing off the great cameras only to stop at the end and stream the video via the V2s wiHD to a big screen. All the time saying how great the device feels as well as the machined aluminum buttons and Gorilla glass 4.

Bam!!!!!! Every nerd, geek and power user goes crazy flooding the Saygus site with another 100.000 orders.

I know I would. And so would another 4 or 5 people I know.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
That's just a listing of specs that anyone can get from Saygus' website. I think people really want some hands on testing to see if all of the features actually work, and how well it performs.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Watch the video...

Saygus has already mentioned (several times) they will have a pre-release, one week prior to public ship date. This will be specifically for the purpose of independent testing. Which translates to, a plethora of of testing reviews.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
^^^ding...ding...ding....ding...ding! We have a winner. This is exactly what they should do! I suggested the same thing, just not as elaborately as you have, a couple of weeks ago. Great suggestion. Still 4 weeks to go, they'll be releasing some surprises in the coming weeks. They know the position they're in. There not showing all their cards just yet. Just hope they don't do another amateur video in an office with a handheld point-shoot camera to do a video. Seriously, get a good camera, tripod, lighting, take a real video though.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
The link doesn't work for me for whatever reason. I can't find anything recent that showcases *all of the v2 features. And one week before preorder shipping for real life 100% working reviews is late IMO. But I have patience. :)
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
+1

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++1

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Your words will not be digested in some doubting stomachs.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
No worries.

For many, it's simply the excitement of the experience.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the $600 price expires after the 22nd? In my chat with one of their agents they mentioned it would go thru testing to be available in retail stores, so I don't know I'd he was just blowing smoke up my ass, or suggesting the phone would (presumably) bump up to whatever price retailers want.
[Saygus V²] tipocool:
When? According to a previous post from Andreas a week ago:

"Saygus has a list with some reviewers on it, who have already asked them for a review unit. As far as I know, the pre orders will be served first and the review units will be sent out some days later. So it's rather unlikely to see any deep 3rd party reviews of the V2 before the 22nd of May."

So if you have any solid info on them sending out units for review please share. I think everyone would appreciate an independent review of a fully functioning device prior to shipping. However, I doubt this will happen. If they already have a fully functioning device, you would think they would be eager to show it off!
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Ask the Saygus help desk. They seem willing to answer most everything.

I have no crystal ball, I do have experience being around XDA and new device releases. In most every case, reviews come before release.

Having independent reviews after the device has been release, simply does not make sound business sense.

The idea of a company would be to make the masses drive to purchase.

THIS SAID: Saygus has been anything but normal, in anything they have done;)
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Some more answers

Dear Saygus fans and followers,

I've had my weekly call with Chad today and thus I'll try to bring some light into the darkness.

Chad is still in China and coordinating everything regarding the production of the final version. Furthermore they are still having talks with a large European distributor, in order to find the best solution for the shipping of the pre-ordered units. Right now they can't tell for sure, from which location they will finally ship them.

The reason for this is just this simple. Unfortunately the social media and twitter person got ill last weekend and had to go to the hospital. Right now they don't have anybody who could temporary take this job over for some days.

First of all, they are sorry that you got wrong or misleading answers by the 24/7 Live Chat Support. They will research this issue and do their best to prevent its recurrence.

Saygus itself has about 50 employees in Utah right now and up to 300 if you add all the temporary staff, part-time workers and subcontractors.

The manufacturing of the V² is done near Shenzhen in China, but Saygus is planning to move the whole manufacturing process to Utah in the future.

Saygus' Live Chat staff is distributed over different locations in the US, Canada, Europe and Asia.

You can just drop me a message (on XDA, Twitter or via eMail) and I'll then pass it directly over to the Saygus guys.

Even if I don't have an official statement on this yet, I'll try to give you an answer.

No one at Saygus has ever spoken to me about two different versions or variants of the V². The CDMA capability has been always mentioned in the same row with GSM and LTE and not like "available as GSM and CDMA version". So it seems very rather unlikely to me, that Saygus will be publishing an additional CDMA version of the V².

As far as I know, it's not sure yet, if Saygus will be still offering the V² directly via their website afterwards. This may be done by retailers, carriers and distributors then and the price may rise. At least here in Germany I'm expecting a retail price of ~750€. ;)

I hope, I've addressed most of your recent questions and been able to provide you some informative answers! :)

With best wishes from Germany,

Andreas
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
Saygus replied to an email I sent them about a week ago.

April 29, 2015 11:23 am

Hello,

I do apologize about the misunderstanding.

“Before then, the V² will be available “unlocked” for customers on GSM networks worldwide”

Meaning the first phones we ship will be GSM models, CDMA will come after lab testing has been completed.

Sincerely,

Saygus Service Team
[Saygus V²] tightos:
You have a great talent! You should become a 20/20 investigate reporter!

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I can't wait till May 2nd to actually see discussions about the phone and NOT about what everyone wants Saygus to do and make for them. I wonder if all of these things would be said if it were an Apple or Samsung forum..... but then again I would probably be letting myself down if I think about that. It's amazing, the kind of questions that ppl need to have answered in order to make a decision whether to buy this phone or not and how little their relevance is...... in my opinion ONLY.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Hi Saygus twitter guy, Get well soon.
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
Contact multiple Samsung reps with technical questions about their products. You will get a different answer from every person you contact there as well.

Then ask Samsung, or LG, or any big manufacturer technical questions about an unreleased product. See if you get any answer at all.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
True true....you guys make good points. But the big boys have an established reputation already and don't ask the common consumer for money up front. I really want to just dive in and use my pre-registration. I have too much going on financially to take the risk. I'm excited. As much as anyone else here. The V2 will be awesome.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Use a major credit card. If this turns out to be a scam:eek: Most major credit cards have fraud protection.

The risk is minimal, if that's the concern.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
You know what. You are right! I forgot about that *facepalm*.

Screw it! *in a family guy Joe Swanson voice*

"Let's do this!"
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Still seems kinda vague though. Do they mean they'll start including CDMA radios once testing is done, or do they mean CDMA will be enabled once testing is done?

A straight definitive answer like "The V2 will include both GSM and CDMA radios out of the box, but will only be compatible on GSM networks at launch (until CDMA networks approve it)." would clear up so much confusion.

The whole "the first phones we ship will be GSM models" and similar wording is what's making me think the launch V2 will not include CDMA radios.
[Saygus V²] valestrand:
Why would u ever be in a CDMA network? Just confused. Old outdated technology that soups battery
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I'm having a hard time placing any value in the live customer service answers. There has been no established credibility. I was lead to believe that each phone will be capable of both GSM and CDMA. Just have to get the all clear with the CDMA networks.

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There is still a couple major CDMA networks here in USA; sprint and verizon.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
You're preaching to the choir. I'm only hesitant because they stated the first phones "would be gsm models." Though I have asked Andrea to ask them directly.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Because I have a Verizon UDP plan. Not only are there no caps, no throttles, and no tethering restrictions, but it has better coverage AND is cheaper than the competition (GSM T-Mobile's Unlimited is $80 before taxes. I pay less than that after taxes for my Verizon UDP plan). Why pay more for downgraded coverage on GSM networks?
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
Given that I'm not a Saygus Employee / Engineer / whatnot, take this with a grain of salt, but I was rather under the impression that everything on the phone will be good to go for CDMA on every phone... however, Verizon and Sprint, among others, lock down their networks to deny phones they have not specifically approved for them, and therefore, the phone will not work on their networks until they add it to the whitelist on their end, at which point, it should start working just fine.

It's not like it's impossible to put both Radios in a single phone... the Nexus 6 does it... heck, technically, my Japanese version of the HTC One also does it (though they tried very very hard to hide the GSM Radio).
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I just talked to the 24/7 chat about cdma/gsm; here is the convo. The phone we get in May 22nd will work on both networks.

Samuel Rhodes	Wed, 04/29/15 05:46:10 pm America/New_York

Hello, Welcome back to Saygus 24x7 live chat support. How may i help you today?

Client	05:46:12 pm

Hello. Will this phone have both CDMA and GSM in the same phone? Or will there be different models for each band?

Samuel Rhodes	05:47:07 pm

The V² will go through the Verizon and (separately the) Sprint (CDMA networks) labs respectively, to be certified on these networks before they will be available to CDMA subscribers such as Verizon and Sprint. The V² will be available on Verizon after it has completed the Verizon certification process which is expected to be in Q2. Before then, however, the V² will first be available “unlocked” for customers on GSM networks worldwide. GSM networks comprise more than 80% of the cellular networks in the world today.

Client	05:48:43 pm

Does that mean once Verizon allows this phone, I can go from GSM network to CDMA with the phone I bought on pre-register?

Samuel Rhodes	05:51:06 pm

Yes, you're right

Client	05:51:20 pm

Thank you :).

Samuel Rhodes	05:51:28 pm

You're welcome
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I'm hoping that that's the case, but their response of "Meaning the first phones we ship will be GSM models" and similar wording is what's leading to the confusion. "GSM Model" kinda implies that there will be a separate model with CDMA radios. :/

EDIT: Cool, thanks [MENTION=5424869]Zack.TheDark[/MENTION] ! I guess CS was just confused or didn't know when we first started asking, but now have gotten confirmation.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Yeah, I'm ruling on miscommunication.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
That same guy said a few pages ago it would only ship with gsm.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I don't think the tech support understood the question. I think he assumed we were asking whether the phone we are getting would have support for CDMA at launch which it wouldn't until Verizon/Sprint are on board. What we needed to know is whether the phone will have both GSM and CDMA RADIOS from the get go and later be able to switch to CDMA once support for it is a go.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] inner_vision:
Hey all,

I was curious about the rules about using Sammobile data in distributing an App. I have created a Task in tasker that checks for new firmware and updates me when this happens . I got sick of checking the website (on G900I and busting for lollipop to arrive), and was not happy with the Sammobile app so I got a refund on that. I see no third party Sammobile apps and was not sure if this is because people pay for it, or because Sammobile comes down hard. I know there are certain rules around not posting Sammobile links on xda. Anyone know what the deal is?
[XDA Assist] XDA Visitor:
Hi. I have an htc one (m7). its not fake, neither is it original. The back casing is plastic instead of the normal metal. one day it accidentally slipped my fingers and fell. My touch is no more responding but the screen is intact. I tool it to repairs but they could not replace it with the original touch. I love the phone. What can I do. Please help.
[XDA Assist] Razvan:
Hi there,

Here is similar thread where is dicussed about your problem where you can read or ask, but first register an account on XDA forums:

HTC One M7 Touchscreen Dead

Good luck
[General Accessories] Chengxing:
Is tempered glass screen protector the best screen protector?
[Asus ZenWatch] newbie101:
How do you sync the time with the phone, my zen watch is showing the wrong time and date.
[Asus ZenWatch] forceOnature:
You may need to try resetting your watch. I assume the time is correct on your phone...
[Asus ZenWatch] newbie101:
Thank you for replying...I did reset my watch and time on my phone is correct. Anyway..I am very unsatisfied with my Zen Watch...bluetooth keep disconnecting, ok google does not respond most of the time..screen keep on showing like a tv with no reception..restarting on its own. I am returning it.
[Asus ZenWatch] forceOnature:
Yours is broken.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] KillerzOverHere:
And why does this not work with the stock android roms?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] audit13:
You can downgrade as long as the 4.3 ROM supports your bootloader and modem.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spexwood:
I know there are people constantly asking about battery life, but I have a very specific battery question that I can't find an answer for.

Please see the attached picture.

Should the "Awake" bar be like that? I haven't been using Samsung phones for a few years, but my old phone (an LG) didn't have that kind of awake time. At least I don't think it did. I swear that my old phone would enter deep sleep and this cause the awake bar to break up

On my Note 4, I have the exact same apps as I had on my old phone (I just got this phone last weekend too), except for the ATT bloatware, which I can't get rid of due to no root. However, the bloatware is disabled.

I only keep WiFi on (even when not connected). I tried disabling it, but it doesn't affect the Awake time. I don't use location and don't have any rogue apps. I also have Unified Daemon disabled.

Edit: Oh and I have to 910A variant. I'm posting here instead of the ATT variant's forum because I'm hoping to get a wider range of answers. I'll post in the ATT forum if needed though.

EDIT2: OK, I just removed my SD card due to a hunch. Sure enough, as soon as I did this, my phone began to sleep correctly! I'm now attempting to reformat the card via the Android system... after I back up my music and pictures of course.

This is the same card that I had in my old phone. Right when I got my Note 4, I just switched this card over to it without doing anything to it.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Racinghart91:
i looked at my battery stats but mine is not awake all the time.. got a N910F tough
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spexwood:
Thanks for replying!

I reformatted my external SD card through the phone and then copied all my music and photos back to it. Now the phone is spending almost all of its time in sleep. SO problem solved :) :good:

I think the Indexer got stuck running all the time.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mxlaser:
I've created this thread, as to not clutter the LVSW thread any more than it currently has.

Clearly (even though some don't believe it) there is an issue with th latest ROM releases and users doing a standard, succesful ROM update and being introduced to the IWSAU (Imaginary White Screen After Updating)

Those that currently have the IWSAU, there are fixes that seem to currently work. I've copy pasted some of my posts from the LVSW thread and hopefully others can posts here too with answers.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pof:
LVSW rom uses Custom RUU v3.5, this RUU unpacks either the old hermes RUU (for bootloader <=1.09) or the new hermes RUU (for bootloader >= 1.11). In the later case, the standard RUU always does a 'task 28' to format the storage (ie: hard-reset) after every rom flash. I did some tests with Olipro before releasing it and we thought that removing the 'task 28' was fine (since we don't want a hard reset after flashing any NBH that doesn't contain OS), and as we didn't got any issues flashing several OS versions we thought it was fine this way, but probably this is what is causing the problem.

Have any of you having this 'white screen' issue tried to just do a 'hard reset' after flashing LVSW rom? Did it fixed the problem?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mxlaser:
IM re-creating the issue now and flashing a problem rom as i type.

I did a hard reset with keys and stylus, and made no difference.

Im going to do a Task 28 in MTTY after this flash and see if it makes any difference, and will get back to you.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pof:
ok, can you also try with the standard / unmodified HTC RUU? You can extract it from the file RUU_Inside.exe in htc's 2.11 rom or in imate's new rom.