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[Saygus V²] aspid667:
For me it looks like last desperate marketing attempt to scrape together a little more crowdfunders, nothing else.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Why would anyone get refunds if it's a scam? Makes no sense. I think this is all incompetence, not a scam.

As for "developers, not feel-good site" - we should clearly distinguish what is an insult and moderators are not doing good job about it. No one sane is insulted by the fact.

Again, check Dunning Kruger it was meant for all the supersmarts here.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
I have never claimed otherwise. Also, I nether said anything about your ability to moderate XDA, the number of previous posts, or what I think XDA is about. Your post is very heavily loaded with straw man arguments.

Sure, as long as you consider a statement like "everyone that disagrees with me is blind to reality" not to be derogatory.

Personally I disagree, and I it's a bit ironic that the other moderator presents this as a "fact", and not negative in any way. That very shortly after asking everyone to be constructive and respectful.

Your opinion is yours, as mine is mine. Finally last I looked, this was the [Discussion] SAYGUS V2 thread.

I am in fact allowed an opinion. If you do not like my statement, that's fine.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
You are right Ivan Javora.. You need to bring the rest of trolls in your facebook group to here, and the moderator must ban everyone does not support Saygus to make this forum feel as a good site.

This forum is amazing without your pointless bashing. Instead of bashing forum moderator and other members' ideas, just simply leave and enjoy the exaltation/glorification toward Saygus in your Facebook closed group.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I actually miss Courtney, or did he move to his Water Planet!
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Well played ROFL:laugh::laugh::laugh:
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
because incompetence = glorification

nice "reality"
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
To be fair the SD 801 is still one of the best SoC's out there, pound for pound, despite showing its age. With some well-optimised hardware this could still do a perfectly good job for a couple of years, if the package was delivered at the right price.

---------- Post added at 09:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:33 AM ----------

Out of interest, which do you prefer? I think the screen size and slightly less stupid flap layout on the Z3C are good but build quality/handfeel of the Z1C is more premium, and I haven't really noticed any great performance boost of the Z3C

---------- Post added at 09:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:44 AM ----------

The third option is the group that I am in - indifferent/ambivalent ex-'investors' who have our refund because we are highly suspicious of the whole thing but at this point don't really care one way or another what will happen with this device, or at least don't care enough to start flaming others in the community.

I've been very negative and vocal about this project previously, probably when the forum was in double-digit page numbers, and Tony Stark 'told me off' for this, quite fairly I feel as this was pre-May 22nd and Saygus were technically still 'on track'. He's done a good job in this forum and doesn't need any flak (but I don't think he needs me to fight his battles!) but at this stage you'd need the patience of a saint and faith of a true believer to foresee this ending well.

But, good luck to all of you, whatever you believe!
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
I've been reading this thread for the last few days and the comments by both members and moderators alike have been less than admirable. Accusations have run wild between members since day dot, and the glee with which certain members are now taking in claiming some sort of 'victory' over others is frankly astounding. I'm not going to even bother defending myself, let alone the ridiculousness of yet more bs about having an alternative account. I think the fact that all my accounts have some version of my name in them means I don't feel the need to hide behind some pseudonym.

If this threads members including the moderators, all think the phone is vaporware, then why does this thread exist in the first place?

Shut it down.

The members have expressed their opinion in their usual, terse, broken up English fashion. And we have moderators doing the same. What else is there to 'discuss'?

Shut it down. I think that's a fair call. There is only a small minority who don't realise the "reality" of the situation after all.

So... Put your money where your mouth is. Shut it down
[Saygus V²] kboya:
I've been watching this from the beginning and rarely comment as there's been little substance to comment on! It's always been a contentious issue and people, including me, have or had money resting on this. I'm still waiting for the V2 but my patience is wearing thin. This thread, however, has broken my patience. Good luck to you, I'm gone.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
LG G4 in hand. It is a compromise but I have few complaints.

Saygus bumbled my refund request but several days and 3 exchanges later, they say my refund will be processed in 5-7 days. I'll let everyone know if/when this happens.

Refund requests do seem to dominate this thread these days. Pretty sad when the best you can say about a company has to do with their ability to process refunds. Go Saygus, refund processor extraordinaire!
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
Just to throw in my two cents worth: I have a Moto G, to which I've added a coil which fits between the rear cover and the battery. The coil has a pigtail which hooks into the USB port and feeds the juice from the coil to the battery. I have two PowerBot pucks which are on my desk, and which charge the phone (somewhat slowly) to an indicated 100%. My local Starbucks just installed Qi charging, apparently with "PowerMat," and when I tried the phone on that device, it did NOT charge or show any signs of life. I tried removing the back to see if a closer presentation would make a difference, but it did not. All I can infer from this--perhaps only a wildass guess--is that the wireless charging system may not respond to all the wireless chargers, but that's only speculation and your mileage may vary.

Enzo
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
there have been decent posts you could have replied to instead of interjecting what amounts to a cry of "uncle" on your part. why haven't you just posted a goodbye, deleted any urls you use to navigate here and just moved on in your private life? it would accomplish what you are looking for and leave that decision [no more going to this forum thread] entirely to you. take control of your life and make the decision to leave.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
That seems rather personal dkryder, amongst many posts directed at myself and others who still actually have an order and would like to "discuss" the phone rather than go through the vaporware circle jerk for the 20th time.

I have been neutral from the start, like Andreas, but because we have both chosen to distribute information about the phone, as it is, and not as we wish it to be, like the Saygus employee we did have on the Facebook fan page, there has always been an active effort to run us off. And no one has bothered to ask why?

I know it's not worth anything to anyone anymore, but one of the reasons I stick in is because I speak to Andreas regularly, and he has passed on information and videos to me well before it becomes public knowledge, and even though I am a highly skeptical person, I realise that he actually does have a direct line to Chad.

Unfortunately he has/had been asked not to share this information outright as obviously there are issues with wanting to keep that flow of information coming in.

There is nothing I can say, or anyone else "in the know" can say at this point to convince anyone here that the phone is on track. That's fine. But the attacks, misinformation, and use of real names of members including myself has been deplorable.

If people were to actually use the 'search' feature as stated by XDA before posting frivolously, people can actually see past posts in this thread about how the phone came to be funded, and the ridiculous figure of only 1,600 preorders, had been corrected by Saygus in a follow up tweet. Did anyone care to correct the people that made these statements? No, that seems to be a job for people who care about accuracy.

So you're right dkryder, I am in fact calling uncle on sharing anything with this community, and as for responding to a decent post, first I'd have to find one that wasn't inaccurate and disparaging towards people who care about facts and not conjecture. I appreciate people like Symbianrefugee who actually put in the effort of putting together a valid argument as to the against of the phone being vaporware and the disgusting way Saygus has communicated and treated us. So to him/her I say thank you for at least being coherent
[Saygus V²] :
OK all, thread reopened. Let's see how it goes.

I would read my long winded message above if you haven't already. :good:

Anymore bickering posts, and they will be deleted. And if it returns to the way it was before the closing.... Then the thread will just be closed.

Please... Post respectfully and post constructively.

Cheers,

Darth
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Thank you Darth for that extremely constructive post, and thank you for re-opening this thread.

Guys let's discuss the current Saygus situation.

Less than 5 days left for Saygus Indiegogo campaign to end. Saygus might be successful in collecting $350k from almost 400 orders ONLY.

- What do you think about these outcomes?

- Do you think that Saygus will ask for ''In Demand'' to this campaign or get enough with what they gained so far?

They already need two more weeks after ending their campaign to receive that money minus 4% Indiegogo commission, and more commission from PayPal or Credit Card company.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
According to latest Indiegogo update the situation is very bad - nothing actually works in this phone except wireless beaming and gaming:

Still tuning, still serious problems with RF. I wonder - are we talking about phone or gaming console?
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
This made me think of something. Maybe if they're unsuccessful with the V2 (or even if they are successful), they should consider making a tablet. They have some good ideas, and if not for the phone-related stuff they might actually have a product. While I'd still be wary of buying anything from them at this point, I would at least be interested in a small tablet with, say, 4 micro-SD card slots, the wireless HD streaming capability, great battery life, etc. Maybe use an Intel chip so it could run Windows, booted off of one of the SD cards or a separate partition of internal memory. Might give an alternative to the Surface at the right price.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Maybe. But first they must produce something working except of several engineering samples, which we see on all these videos. As far as I understand there was so single production batch run so far. And this is very discouraging.
[Saygus V²] Darkside14:
If we follow their planning they will start producing at about august
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
If we were following their planning until now, they've started production in March or April. Their plans means nothing since their incompetence has "years of experience". Since they're strugling for months with RF tuning and still about half way done, August seems more wishful thinking than real timeframe.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
As I said, perhaps if they drop the radio, since that seems to be what's really hanging them up, and forget about making it a phone, they could get a device out, certainly without such massive delays. Get themselves built up a bit as a company before trying to tackle the larger task of making an actual phone, since it seems they bit off more than they could chew by attempting to make one.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
If they will drop the idea of making a phone and make a tablet instead I seriously doubt that 500 tablets that they will sell could help them to survive.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i was looking at the indigogo site and it seems they will have just below 10% of a bite out of the campaign total, ~$1,158,000. x 0.10 = ~ $115,800 for indiegogos cut and fees, so it looks like they end with ~$1,042,000. i think they started with around $845,000. so $1,042,000 - $845,000= they gained ~$197,000 from the campaign. it looks like there were 435 phones claimed as perks about $453 per phone. . in rough terms the start of $845,000 / $550 each phone preordered = roughly 1,536 preorder phones. combine those with the campaigns 435 phones gives 1,971 phones either ordered or a perk. if you take the $1,042,000 total collected and say about 1,971 phones need to be delivered. what the gross income from each phone was roughly $529. subtract all operated costs , which i have no idea what that figure may be ,as i see it leaves a fairly gloomy picture. hopefully my math was roughly correct. anyway, there was a post earlier related to how saygus can make a successful go at this in business terms and i see it as a huge success if they manage to do it. but, my guess is someones retirement fund dropped significantly in the process. for that i will be greatly appreciative for the sacrifice to get this phone in buyers hands,
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
How did you get that Indiegogo would charge for 10%?

Is Indiegogo gonna charge Saygus for the $850k they already put before starting the campaign?
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i said indiegogo cut [which is 4%] and fees [which are paypal 3%-5% wire fees[at $25 per]{non-US }] so I was taking the liberty as to my estimate , could be lower. indiegogo just states total amount, again it could vary due to indiegogo cutting them a break. so, yeah, the picture could be better for saygus. i guess i should have called it a speculative post rather than saying i hope my math was good.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Somewhere among various social media comments, someone mentioned an answer from Saygus about financial futility of their indiegogo undertake. The answer was that campaign was more about the hype than profit. They were not hoping for mayor $ from it anyways.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Usually the hype should be translated into the profit (money, more sold phones etc.). In this case it is very difficult to call this hype (~450 sold phones) a big one. And we need to take in account that we actually don't know how many people requested refund during this "hype" campaign.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
So Saygus must write-off V2 production, like how Microsoft did with Nokia's Devices and Services. LOL:laugh:

I'm wondering how Saygus was able to pay its employees their salaries without generating any revenue along these years??!!.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
They had revenue. All the preorder money and money from Indigogo is revenue. But that's gross revenue income. After deducting their costs, what's left is net revenue income, which may be minimal or even negative. But they very well could have used the gross revenue income to pay their employees (a cost, which reduced their net). If they're not able to make their net positive by selling enough phones at high enough profit, they may have to declare bankruptcy, at which point whatever money is left, which again, may be none, will go to pay people back. But even then banks, business partners, etc, will likely get first dibs, and customers probably won't get anything. One of the reasons I canceled a while back, because I didn't want to be left holding the bag. Especially since with all the delays a lot of people are going to be outside of the protection period with their credit card companies, making it a lot harder to get their money back that way.
[Saygus V²] nonlose:
How many of you guys requested a refund? I'm thinking about it now.. What phones are yall getting instead.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
Not me. I'm waiting :)
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
There is a thread already dedicated to this topic Alternatives to the V² by Cullenator. Much has already been discussed there:good:
[Saygus V²] prasathvishnu:
After a wait for 2 months, I finally requested for a refund.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Revenue is the amount of money that a company actually receives during a specific period, including discounts and deductions for returned merchandise. It is the "top line" or "gross income" figure from which costs are subtracted to determine net income. So, the revenue is the total money that Saygus has been collected along this period, while the net profit is what you referred as a "net revenue''. However, my question was related to how Saygus was able to run itself without any revenue since 2009?, if someone says, they got investments money, I would ask which investment agency or personnel funded them without getting something in return? , again since 2009?

Indigogo is about to end, and the entire picture seems so gloomy so far. I'm probably going to cancel my order before the end of this month. I guess I don't have enough time and mood to follow a legal action against Saygus afterward.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
You're correct. I accidentally mixed up the terms. Guess that's what I get for posting first thing in the morning. Thanks for the correction, fixed the original post.

I guess another question to ask is how many employees have they had this whole time. I'd imagine much less than they currently have, as they probably hired new people for the V2. So it may have just been Chad and a few others most of the time the past several years, and they may not have paid themselves anything. It's hard to say without seeing the financial reports or knowing someone on the inside.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I requested my refund over a week ago and got an LG G4. Waiting for my refund now.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i asked for a refund the last week of may. it was right after the lead up to the ship date that ended with no shipment. i think it was the middle of june when i got the funds. i do not have enough money to take a 550 buck gamble on saygus especially right after the mis-information campaign. i feel very fortunate that i got the money back. if the phone shows up and after 90 days of feedback about the owner experience, as well as reviews, look favorable i'll probably buy one on swappa or amazon. if i'm lucky, for less than $550.
[Saygus V²] AMN35:
I've also now requested a refund. My nexus 5 will have to hold out a bit longer.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Last week, I was talking about how Saygus should go into the refund business since that is about the only thing that they seem to do well. It took 4 exchanges to get them to process a refund. Now 5 interactions later, I go back on the website to check the status and find that my refund has been placed in an "On-Hold" status. Apparently they aren't very good at refunds either.
[Saygus V²] billybob4:
I bailed a week ago, and asked then. No refund has appeared yet.

So Far all I've had is a reply to a ticket saying 'We are processing your refund request this normally takes a week for it to be processed. We will also remove you from our customer list so you don’t receive future customer emails. If you would still like to receive emails about Saygus and the V SQUARED – please reply back with which email you would like us to add to that list.' ~ baring in mind it took a few days to get that message, I'm predicting a refund on May 22nd 2016 due to the lack of processing power they have available :D (I'm gonna go for a G4 I think)
[Saygus V²] vladser:
I requested a refund 3 days ago
[Saygus V²] nonlose:
Yeah I requested one too.
[Saygus V²] nutzuTo:
I got my refund in June after the first failure release and took them 2 weeks to refund now I'm so happy with my G4 and cost me less money :)
[Saygus V²] ryanwoods10:
After pretty much zero information as to what's going on I phoned Saygus to try and get some kind of Update. Mindy was unable to give any other update other than she felt it would still be at LEAST another month until it would be a finished product which is ready to be shipped.

Will look into the One+ 2 when that gets announced I think.
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
My attention may be turning to the Turing Phone. Look it up. Seems promising.
[Saygus V²] zelendel:
Agreed it does look good indeed
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
More pie in the sky promises and proprietary plugs?

No thanks.

USB is took insecure? Rubbish, USB isn't a expensive lock in is more like it.

If I was going to wait I'd stick with Saygus, but I already got my phones.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Nice design, but it's missing a lot of the power-user features that the Saygus has. Dual SIM, dual microSD, removable battery, etc.

Do think it's odd that, for a phone with a main point being security, they'd force people to use wireless headsets instead of plugging in directly. Even though bluetooth has a short range, a direct wired connection is still more secure than wireless...
[Saygus V²] erikmollink:
Well .. I just heard about this phone last week .. so one month is not much that of a wait.

You all have been waiting for that long?
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Pro Tip: if they say it'll be a month it'll be 3.

We've all been waiting since the announcement of the phone at CeBit in February, I'd suggest reading back through some of this thread to find out the real story.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
3? How about never...
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It becomes more and more pathetic - Indiegogo campaign is extended by 9 days. What a joke...
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Possibly trying to get some new orders to cover all the cancellations?
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
"We are launching a referral program for you to earn the chance to get a free V SQUARED!"

I wouldn't refer anyone I consider a friend to these guys.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
what kind of s**t is that? :confused: I am really a patient man, but this people from saygus driving me insane! Have they not understood, that we not like any new stupid videos or new campaigns, we like to get that phone!

Everyone knows how a usb c port works and I think I dont need a video for that.

For me it would like more useful if this guys publish a clear, comprehensive and final specification of their phone.

I am really wait a little bit more time to get a really cool phone, but the information policy of saygus is still really bad.

But nevertheless, i am still hopeful...

Therefore don't worry guys, someday we took the V² in our hands.:good:

cheers:cool:
[Saygus V²] GETLO:
Saygus, say whaaat? I was order # less than 2000. Just put in a ticket for a refund. I finally came to my senses and bailed. I feel much better, like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. :highfive:
[Saygus V²] mbfdias:
They must be bleeding orders like mad in order to launch this new update on indiegogo with the new get your free phone if you manage to trick someone else into buying one lol
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
11 days and I haven't gotten a refund, not have they answered a question from 3 days ago on the ticket.....

Really not happy with this.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
I'm in the same position
[Saygus V²] TheYoungLord:
After asking for a refund 3 weeks ago and hassling them several times to stop stalling, they responded yesterday with this message:

We have processed your refund and it’s on its way back onto the card you made your payment with. Our system only let us do a couple but we have fixed that error now. We appreciate your patience during this process.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I got the same thing, but I asked for a refund 2 weeks ago.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I'm having the same problem. It has been 15 days since I requested a refund. I've had to have about a half a dozen interactions to get the refund started. My refund status is "on-hold". I've requested an explanation twice in the past week and received no reply.
[Saygus V²] hypoPLAsm:
It took them 4 weeks to process my refund, I think that's, unfortunately, pretty normal for Saygus.