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[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
How long do you think the adhesive will last? I noticed some dead space on mine on the top right hand side. Not sure if this was caused by damage in transit.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
What happens when putting the the phone with the Moshi iVisor installed, face down on a table? Does it fall off or become loose?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] ckspeed1968:
I agree with you, mitchellvii. I still using the moshi after 2.5 weeks eventhough, I have one other full glass screen to try.

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I just try that with the cover+, nothing happen. The glass still stick on the phone with and without the cover+. Sensitivty has not change.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Thanks, How long do you think the adhesive will last? I noticed some dead space on mine on the top right hand side. Not sure if this was caused by damage in transit.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
The Crown is slated to release on February 15th, according to BodyGuardz
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] ckspeed1968:
If you get it install correctly the first time and leave it alone, the adhesive should last. But since there is gap where the curve starts, that areas will collect dust for sure. The cover+ won't prevent dust from getting to that areas.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
The Otterbox Commuter Series case has a lip seal and should prevent dust and other debris from entering. I guess I kept the best for last, lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Camron708:
Has anyone used the Moshi with the Spigen Neo Hybrid Metal? The inner case for the Neo Hybrid Metal is a pretty snug fit on the Note 4 (moreso than the Spigen Slim Armor or Diztronic) so I am a bit concern if it will cause lifting on the Moshi screen protector.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] ckspeed1968:
Yeah, I have a commuter too and it does go over the ivisor glass a little and the cover+ just meet the edge of the the glass. I prefer using the cover+.

I don't have the neohybird case so I can't help you there.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Would the Moshi have been better with an adhesive screen like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_gTFoEuj08
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I really wish the Moshi was like that. However, the capacitive buttons would not work with the S-Pen in the link you provided. Not sure why Moshi made the adhesive absent.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
[MENTION=5860476]felloffthetruck[/MENTION]

Cheaper alternative? Has adhesive like [MENTION=5860476]felloffthetruck[/MENTION] wanted,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Momax-Black...432?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f4772c88

Here's the YouTube video by Momax, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt_7FLSdjnY

http://www.momax.net/eng/

Me likey Momax, http://www.momax.net/eng/service3.php

Available at http://www.mobilefun.com/51246-moma...alaxy-note-4-glass-screen-protector-black.htm
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] mitchellvii:
Maybe I lucked into the Magic Moshi but I've had ZERO issues with dust getting under the protector.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Arjun, where did you see the glass thickness for the Otterbox Alpha glass?

I can't seem to find this information anywhere. Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] ckspeed1968:
Good for you. How many time did you install the moshi? Mine was install by the att employee and was a little off plus some dust so I have to removed, cleaned and re-install. After re-install there was no dust but after I removed the protective cover+ and took some pix to should you guys. It collect a few dust. You can see it if your are looking for it. Still works fine with no problem at all.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I had put it side by side with the Zagg Glass, and was the same thickness.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] TMPOOLE:
Same Question. Pictures if you could/would... Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] ronii_lyn:
You lucky bums who got to pay below $50 for the iVisor. With the dollar conversion, it turned out to be $74.40 CAD for moi ($15 shipping included) :( I hope it's worth it!

Also, with the folks having touch sensitivity issues, would the "Increase Touch Sensitivity" feature maybe a help?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Thanks, Got in the new Zagg Glass today and they are a little different. I put up a couple pictures in the Tempered Glass thread.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I checked out the pictures. I'm still waiting for my replacement as well, but this is for a new order placed in the beginning of this year. It's taken a week to make Zagg understand what I was facing. Note that the Zagg is still not the ultimate solution that we all have been looking for.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
There shouldn't be touch sensitivity issues with the Moshi iVisor Glass unless the glass is lifting like another user had mentioned.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
I see on YouTube that the Bodyguardz Pure/Crown will also come with their Express Align tray. This makes the product even more interesting. :p

If I don't have the Note 5 before it makes it to market, I'll give one a try. :silly:
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] drs155:
And worth every penny. I have tried 3 different glass and two different non glass (including the hdx). The iVisor glass fits perfectly, no halo, and is every bit as smooth as the factory glass.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Is there any record of anyone trying the Bodyguardz Pure with Express Align on the Note 4 and how great does that Express Align work?

I'm tempted to go over to AT&T Store and purchase the Bodygurdz Pure with the Express Alien tray for the Note 4 and see how it works (then I'll be ready for the Crown.

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Been there, done that. :p
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] ckspeed1968:
I'm with you. It works excellent.

I got an edge to edge tempered glass that I ordered from aliexpress. The lcd area do not have adhesive so I dear not to install it and ruin the the perfectly working iVisor glass. Got a few more edge to edge coming to eval.

I got this glass too, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R83YLM0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 but not going to install it yet. it's a full edge 2 edge has full adhesive.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] tr1cky1:
Is there any edge-to-edge glass screen protector that is available in Germany?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Good luck with that one. There are no good ones here in the states.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Finally received my Moshi Replacement, too bad I'm not going to install it anytime soon.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
What you using, just the Defender?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Haven't done anything further yet. I have no intention installing the iVisor yet, lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Put in you email here to be the first to know about the Bodyguardz Crown. :p Well, the second after me.

http://www.bodyguardz.com/subscribe
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Thanks, have you tried the Moshi with the Defender Series case by removing the in-built screen protector?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Yes, I could not the get the polycarbonate shell to snap shut. :(
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I'm sure that was because the Moshi was Edge-to-Edge
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Yes, that was it. :o
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Cubfan99:
In case anybody is wondering, this screen protector isn't too thick to affect working in the Gear VR headset. It's a little wonky to get it in and the signal that it's installed (you have to give an extra push at the USB connector side), but it works perfectly when that's done.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Finally settled with the Otterbox Defender Series Case today, got it installed with the Skinomi Techskin, one corner intentionally lifted because of the tight fit within the polycarbonate shell of the Otterbox Case, no worries, still protected from the outside elements. I also managed to cover parts of the Metal Chrome Chamfered edges with some Military Shields I custom-cut (Especially the USB Port which is susceptible to being scratched up; no longer have to worry there, and the S-Pen area as well). I covered the home button with a pre-cut home button sticker for the Note 4 which came with a PET film protector. Phone is pretty much sealed now to the outside elements. Using the iLoome Screenmate Flex, which I was so reluctant to taking off even though it was not the fit as desired. A tad amount of halo can be seen with the iLoome with the Ottebox case overlaying it, but this doesn't bother me since my phone's protection is top priority. I can move on now. My search stops here, haha. Thankfully.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
No selling on XDA please! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Venom0642:
Interesting i have 3 Note 4 cells 1 has the moshi and the other one i just installed icarez new 0.15mm glass and this is the first glass I've installed with 100% free halo i couldn't believe my eyes but there's no halo at all so looks like icarez got a glass screen 100 % free halo.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
iCarez is reminiscent of the iLoome. Hit or Miss depending on the degree of screen curvature.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Venom0642:
Here's video of the new icarez glass for note 4

http://youtu.be/p7VYkocD1qw

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I like the Music featured in that video, pretty groovy. Made me want to break dance and get a halo. Joking aside, I never heard of iCarez, do they have Customer Service? Only two reviews on Amazin' (Amazon).

Edit: Made some lyrics to accompany that song in the video. The lyrics are made exclusively for the Note 4's curved screen. It goes something like this in every verse,

"Sammy...why did...you make curve screen...don't you...know that...it makes me scream...give me some halo-lo..lo..free.free...how, how, lo...ve.ly"
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
For anyone inteested, I can confirm a pefect fit with the Moshi in my Otterbox Defender case. See this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=58485673
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Need pictures to confirm.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
[MENTION=5860476]felloffthetruck[/MENTION], did you try iCarez?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
As I mentioned in the other post I linked, I will provide pics tonight or tomorrow when I get home. I know we are all obsessed with pics and I will indeed provide them, but I work 9-5pm and honestly it's not like I get kicks out of starting rumours on xda during my lunch break lol. Trust me when I say it fits fine without any struggle or effort, but yes pics are on the way ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Thanks, looking forward to them.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
I could not get the polycarbonate shell to snap shut with the Moshi and I have the stock screen protector removed. :(

Please put up some nice clear pictures. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
So this anti-shatter thing has been bugging me lol...so I finally just emailed Moshi to see what they say. Looks like the Moshi has that extra layer of plastic built in to prevent screen shatter after all! Here's the main part of their reply:

"Thanks for your email. The iVisor Glass is designed with a very thin plastic film to prevent shattering in the event of a break (similar to a car windshield), so you don't have to worry about the glass causing any damage to the screen upon removal."

Sweet!
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] skillzo1:
Got my moshi ivoser today. Very very nice. Money well spent.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I agree with that part. However, the Moshi iVisor does a minuscule gap between the actual screen and iVisor. You can hardly feel it unless you pan your index finger all over the protector. This is why the adhesive over the actual display is a must, not just all around the sides. Will need to wait for someone to confirm that this fits with a Defender Series case (with Picture), otherwise, it goes back and I get "The Crown" by BodyGuardz.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Venom0642:
Plus you will get dust going thru the home button i had it on almost a month and you will see dust in the whole screen give it a week or so and you will see what i mean.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I have a Commuter Case, still within the return window, but I need that case for Backup. Therefore, I need a protector that can fit edge to edge on a Commuter as well, either that would be a Moshi or BodyGuardz Crown. I think I should just return the Moshi, its really not worth it. Had they put adhesive in the display area and taken the idea from BodyGuardz, then this would have been a fine product, other wise it only makes us look foolish. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
As promised... Moshi iVisor on my Note 4 along with the Otterbox Defender case. I realized tonight that my only other camera is on my Note 8.0 (5MP, no flash) but I tried my best to make it work. :) I can try to find another camera to borrow and take better pics, but honestly it will look just as expected. The first two pics below are with the full Defender case, the last is only with the inner Defender hard shell.Just to be clear, I'm not necessarily encouraging anyone to get the Moshi! From what I read on XDA it seems like there are some slight variations between Note 4 devices in terms of how rounded the glass edges are. Not sure if that's accurate or not, but if true then it could plausibly cause fit issues with some phones and not others when using certain glass/case combos like the Moshi/Defender setup. All I know is my own experience with my N910W8 which I'm sharing here. Overall I do like the Moshi so far. Edge to edge, fits my Defender, and installed easy with no issues. I think the only thing I am not a huge fan of is the feel. Not bad at all, but compared to my previous Inskin glass, the Moshi feels like there is a very small gap between the glass and the screen (as arjun90 pointed out a few posts back). It's VERY subtle and you can't really tell, but it's just slightly different to the touch. Anyways, I'm happy so far, but if anything changes I have a Zagg and another Inskin as backups... Then there's the Bodyguardz/Crown coming out soon too lol ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] borijess:
Definitely don't like the white moshi with black phone. Just my opinion.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] skillzo1:
I'm digging it, i think it looks good, plus it makes it much easier to see where the soft keys are.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
It's that gap that concerns me. :p Do you see a gap between the top part of the hard shell and Moshi iVisor? I think I can make out in the pictures you posted, seems to be a millimeter-2mm gap, not sure if that's the light's reflection though. An Otterbox representative claims removing the inbuilt protector loosens the integrity of the lid/base assembly (Polycarbonate shell); I strongly doubt that. :silly: At least the Moshi is better than the inbuilt protector of the Defenders, but certainly not worth the additional $45 from what it seems. Let me know if there's a noticeable gap between the hard plastic shell (top part) and Moshi Glass. Thanks again. :cowboy:
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
I've been inspecting the fit and I think the gap you're seeing is just the shadow from the poor lighting in my photo. There is definitely no gap on the bottom or sides between the glass and the Defender's inner shell. For the top of the screen, it's basically flush too. I could MAYBE slip a sheet of paper there but that's about it. To my eyes at least this is gap free. The only issue I have is the feel of the Moshi not being completely adhered to the screen. Wouldn't have picked up on it if I hadn't tried another fully-adhered glass in the past (Inskin). It's very subtle, but feels just different enough for me to notice. Overall I really like the protection offered by the Moshi/Otterbox combo so will keep this for now. If the "feel" really bothers me then I might try the BodyGuardz Crown although I assume it won't fit my Defender which is another trade-off for me... Worst case I'll give up on edge-to-edge and go back to Inskin or try the Zagg I ordered. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Venom0642:
Try the icarez new glass you won't be disappointed go to the other thread you will see a youtube video i made not the best quality video look but no halo and can't even see the glass protector, i had the moshi i returned it, icarez is the only glass protector i seen free halo.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
iCarez (Halo-Free)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...f516XhpQY&x-yt-ts=1422503916&x-yt-cl=85027636
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I'm returning the Moshi, and getting the BodyGuardz Pure "Crown" when it releases; I know I'll have to remove the inbuilt screen protector of the Defender Series case, but I'm sure the outcome will be positive. In the meantime, I'll hang on to the defective iLoome. :silly: [MENTION=5860476]felloffthetruck[/MENTION]

I'm just worried that the BodyGuardz Pure Crown is .4mm whereas the Moshi is .3mm, that .1mm makes a difference especially for those trying to fit the device in with an Otterbox Defender Series case.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I'm going to consider the iCarez as a backup option for me, but not inclined to purchase anytime soon. Great to know that it makes a great option. Thanks!

Eager to try the BodyGuardz Pure Crown, .4mm :D
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I'm very cautious about the BodyGuardz Crown, was told it would be .4mm thick.

The Moshi is .3mm thick and works perfectly with the Otterbox Defender Series according to pictures posted by another user earlier.

What gives?

Is anyone using a standard .4mm tempered glass screen protector with their Otterbox Defender Series case? [MENTION=5860476]felloffthetruck[/MENTION]
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
I still have the Alpha glass on mine and the only part that touches is the very top when in the Defender case. I'm almost sure the Crown will not fit into the Defender shell.

I could not get the Defender shell snapped when I had the Moshi on the phone. Maybe if I was to use some pliers it might have worked. :silly:

I still don't believe that the Moshi went into the Defender shell easy. :p
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
This is getting silly! ... Well, I don't believe it didn't fit in your case lol... Can you post a video of it not fitting? ;)

Just kidding guys [emoji14]
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
It requires a lot of force to snap in when using any tempered glass; the Moshi is edge to edge, thus making it more difficult to snap the inner hard shell together. The BodyGuardz Crown is two Components (Pure and Crown, not sure if this will meet everyone's expectations). ;)

[MENTION=4505535]sefrcoko[/MENTION] showed pictures of the Moshi within the Otterbox case, the inbuilt protector had to be removed; still requires force, I'm sure. Even with the defective iLoome I have, I had to use enough force to snap lid and base of the shell together.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] sefrcoko:
I did have to push it closed with a little bit of force but I definitely didn't struggle or put a ton of pressure either. Same thing with my previous Inskin and the Defender... Just firm pressure and it snapped. Maybe I'm just super-strong ;) [emoji123]

Either way this Moshi feels too much like plastic for my taste. Love the fit and edge-to-edge coverage but the feel bothers me. Sigh... Can't believe how much money I've spent on friggin pieces of glass!
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
I believe that I have a FAT Note 4 and it wouldn't fit. ;) Maybe I'll try to uninstall some Apps. :p
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I'm returning this glass. Not worth it. No adhesive for the screen, and the edge adhesive is questionable for the long run. I shouldn't have to request a warranty replacement for such a thing. Lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Bring on the "Crown" :victory:
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Rivendel:
Has anybody found a shop that sells the iCarez® for Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Glass to Europe (Germany) ?

If yes, please leave me a message.

Thanks

Robert
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Greenv7:
Also I am interested for Europe (Italy)
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] mahdibassam:
I see a lot of bad posts about the Moshi iVisor here. I am waiting for mine to arrive , i hope it's good !
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Venom0642:
The reason for that cause ICarez is better and lots are getting it i returned my moshi i am good with ICarez you will not get no type of halo on ICarez glass.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] mahdibassam:
I don't have any halo on my Xtremeguard glass , BUT the glass is really small , it barely covers the screen , that's why there is no halo. Is iCarez the same ?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] Venom0642:
Look for my video on the other glass thread and there's also pictures as well posted, i can't do nothing now I'm at work , hope that will help by looking for my post on other thread.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
Get in touch with this fellow, his wife is willing to arrange something, I wonder how much it will cost, but its all good since the fellow is an XDA member, ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=58523264&postcount=2253
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
I'm returning mine today if that's what you want to know. ;) The Moshi iVisor is very similar in function like the inbuilt screen protector in the Otterbox Defender Series case, the gap doesn't make sense.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Is there a direct link for the ICarez Glass for the Note 4?

I can't seem to find it, even on their site. :(
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
iCarez sells via Amazon, Amazon acts as the middle-man, thus offering 2-day Prime shipping since the product sits in a Amazon warehouse / fulfillment facility nearby. This is what concerns me, iCarez still hasn't answered my question on how the warranty works after the 30-day Amazon return policy.

http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Scratch-...&qid=1422467797&sr=1-2&keywords=icarez+note+4
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
Is this protector real flexible and bend like the plastic ones?
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] arjun90:
That's correct, appears to be more flexible than even the iLoome.

These days even a plastic screen protector can transmit the same amount of light as a glass screen protector (depending on quality of materials used)

I wouldn't be surprised if these foreign companies are manipulating most of the materials to make it look like glass, but in reality is plastic, thus the elimination of the halo-effect.

Wouldn't that mean we're getting ripped off? :silly: Lol, when are we never ripped off? A device like the Note 4 which costs only $250 to manufacture by Samsung, and costs us three-fold to buy, lol.

Wish I had a Electron Microscope to confirm the proportion of materials used in manufacturing these screen protectors.

Hopefully, those reviewing these screen protectors are not endorsing or representing the company in any way as the pictures do seem to prove the application is halo-free.
[Galaxy Note 4 Accessories] felloffthetruck:
That's why I took the Tech 21 protector back. I've never seen real "Glass" that can flex into a horseshoe shape without breaking. :p

I'll wait on the Crown as of now. :)