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[Saygus V²] dkryder:
the thing appears to be a living scam, a scam in motion. the indiegogo people are pretty much like the preorder people were back in feb. i think the indiegogo campaign was about all was left for them to try and reverse the huge gash, they started to really bleed out the reserves in cash they had. it was important to find the most immediate avenue available to them to leverage whatever they could to increase cash on hand, and this cash was basically being thrown at them. indiegogo people are the ultimate risk takers with this situation, basically a big gamble. they are owed nothing at this point. i guess there is a good chance they put preorder funds into the campaign, also, as some have mentioned. as saygus says on the indiegogo page,

"While we undoubtedly will face more surprises and challenge on our journey, the Saygus team is prepared to tackle them!"
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
You are 100% right. Unfortunately no other phones peak my personal interest so it's a gamble and a wait. So sad that we have to go in this roller-coaster to get the phone we all want...
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Nice summary of events. I couldn't agree more and I totally empathize.

But be careful, there is a whole host of lurkers that will come out of the bushes any second now to tell you to STFU for not limiting your posts to positive blurbs about Saygus. I could forgive the previous amateurism as soon as they start acting like professionals. And the first step for a turn around is to accurately estimate a timeline and release a schedule for the 1400 or so of us still left waiting. Especially when they told us after the last delivery shipment date past that they'd be shipping in weeks, not months. I don't think it is lying or a scam, I just think it is incompetence. Eventually they'll get it together but not without a bunch of continued bumbling first.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
It has been done, as the chicanery has reached it's limit with me.

Andreas and the indiegogo minions will stay 'till the bitter end, whatever that may be.

To withdraw is a simple gut check for anyone. As I've stated before, when (if) this is delivered users will sell them within 6 months for cheap on Swappa, eBay etc.

At this point I can wait for the first iteration to run its course.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
From my Facebook feed just now:

Saygus V Squared

Sponsored ·

Have you seen the "Dream Phone" that has raised over $1 Million on Indiegogo?

&$%#!

Hit twitter demand a shipping date, they are not going to use my dissapointment for their own gain.
[Saygus V²] Shadoe_Lance:
I kept pounding them on twitter about at least an estimated ship date for us pre orders on every tweet. They responded by blocking me. They pick and choose only the insignificant questions to answer and my clever remarks and come up with new cute catchphrases every chance they get. Will keep pounding every ad they come up with on Facebook until I get an answer or get blocked there also..
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I think we must start our own Indiegogo campaign to fund our own private investigation of this living scam. We have to put the end to this comedy! :mad: Come on, SayTruth, V don't want to be Squared!
[Saygus V²] Shadoe_Lance:
600 Reward Reduced from 500 units to 200.

On a side note, somebody on Facebook just pointed out that the total number of 600.00 rewards/pledge/orders on indegogo has been reduced from the original 500 to 200.. Getting more strange by the minute.. Attached is a screenshot from the original before reduction.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
There is very simple explanation to this - they want even MORE money! Remember, preorder was $550, regular price - $600. Now preorder - limited number of $600, regular order - 650$. Also - does anybody still remember the magical handcrafted useless earphones, that preorder customers supposed to receive due to first delay? Has anybody seen it in recent outbreak of useless videos? :mad:
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
I agree with your post but I think people got excited about the FM transmitter not the FM receiver. I've never heard of an FM transmitter being included on any smartphone. It will come in handy for people who want to play their music on their car stereo without having to use a cable to connect it to an input on their car radio.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Saygus clarified on Twitter that it does not have an FM transmitter, but it does have an IR transmitter.
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
There is no FM Transmitter, it was a misunderstanding by another twitter poster, Saygus corrected straight away.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I suppose it is just as much an incorrect statement to stand up for them and insist it will come, as it is assume they are going to defraud people and call it vaporware.

In the end it comes down to the type of person you are, Trusting or Cynical.

I am an early purchaser, and if I couldn't afford to take this limited risk and wait for the handset, I would have asked for a refund and gone on my way.

Yes, they have not been the best communicators from the start but they are improving in leaps and bounds, all this waste-of-e paper speculation is pointless. you have two choices:

1. wait and see

2. get a refund and piss off

Either way this endless speculation is getting juvenile and boring, at the end you will either look a tit when I get my phone, or I will when I don't. :D and it is a risk I am willing to take for the spec's on offer.
[Saygus V²] Shadoe_Lance:
Preliminary investigation for criminal and securities fraud..

Anyone know if this is ongoing or current? Found this on a google search of Saygus Inc.

http://coltledger.com/2014/11/saygus-inc-is-under-preliminary-investigation/
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
While looking into that I found info about Colt Ledger Assc (supposedly investigating saygus) saying they are con artists. guess you can find anything on the internet! :)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ColtL...CAMMED-ME-BEWARE-HES-A-CON-ARTIST-Moss-818675
[Saygus V²] Shadoe_Lance:
I guess that's not saying much about either one. Although ripoff report really isn't that good either. Which is why I asked in the first place.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
My guess is since there's been absolutely nothing on it since it was initially mentioned on their website in November, even if it was legitimate nothing came of it. Because the other two options would be that they were found to be guilty, in which case, you'd be able to find info on that and it's unlikely they'd be doing what they're doing now, or they would still be under investigation, in which case they would have to tread lightly, something they're not really doing right now.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Several Nokia models had it.

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Sorry Dad, I did read the forum rules and never saw that mentioned. Since we are making up rules as we go along I decided to add another option to the multiple choice:

3. Make a noise and try to get information so I/we can make an informed decision on the above two options.

They do read this forum you know.
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
No problem Son. you'll soon grow up enough to realise (probably when you get brats of your own) that making a noise has the opposite effect than what you desire. and I'm sure they do spend some time reading on here, but at the moment they are doing a reasonable job on informing everyone.

I feel there is no point harping on about shipping dates, or do you really think it will get the phone to you faster? they have already stated that no dates will be forthcoming until they get the phones in their hands, it will come when it is ready. so have a little patience or seek option 2.

of course there is always option 4. :D

Forum rules? these aren't forum rules, they are the choices you have with the Saygus V"
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
I am sorry, you seem to have me confused with someone else.

Here let me state my aims again, with extra emphasis:

Unless you are Saygus then I don't think this is actually your call.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Just to clarify what was on the Saygus Indiegogo page in case people missed it:

Agreed emphatically. But just to clarify:

Yup...agree with this too.

I still believe the phone will come out, there's no denying it. They have become too public to stop now.

However....the whole May 22nd debacle was made obscene by the twitter "promises/comments" preceding in the couple of days before hand as [MENTION=6723451]SymbianRefugee[/MENTION] pointed out. That was a low point and should never have happened. Saygus really cooked the goose on that one.

Again however....I think the turn around in the company has been positive and the forward momentum is there. I'll give it another couple of weeks since they delivered the videos like they said they would.

Currently waiting on the unboxing from [MENTION=2521519]NewMediaRockstars[/MENTION]
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
It was a misunderstanding on Saygus. The twitter person answered my question which was does the V2 have an FM transmitter? As on the factory fingerprint video about half way we see the icons in the V2 and one is FM radio and the other is FM tx. The twitter person said that it did have a transmitter and it worked great then said something about an FM party... I was kinda confused but went along with it as I had seen the FX tx icon. But then he said wait it's an FM receiver and not Transmitter...

FM transmitter would of been an awesome feature for cars without Bluetooth.

Ahh well only Nokia had that luxury.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
It seems the race is on! Who will get their phone out first?

Brace yourself, planet Earth, says Nokia CEO – our phones ARE coming back from mid-2016

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/19/nokia_phones_2016/

;P
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It's getting better every day: "We haven't sent any devices out for review yet, but it's in the works in coming weeks."

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/612752159847768064

Very strange marketing strategy. If devices are final and functioning well (with minor glitches), then any positive review from reputable source will boost the sales dramatically. Still doing the very same mistakes? Month delay from originally advertised shipping date and still "coming weeks"?
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Wikipedia tells us the following about family: "Family" is used metaphorically to create more inclusive categories such as community, nationhood, global village and humanism.

I think that in the context of a community of a shared interest, we are family. We are all trying to achieve, follow, contribute and foster a common objective. That is all of us; Saygus, XDA, Facebook, Google+, Twitter, et al., however we chose to go about it individually. Saygus has said if not implied the same as they ask for us to demonstrate some of the attributes of family such as faith and loyalty.

In my observations, I have also noticed Saygus really driving home the point that we are all family through action rather than words as they conscientiously follow the 6th Rule of Acquisition.
[Saygus V²] ridcully1:
Crowdfunding..

I don't understand some of you, guys.

Of course, all of us would like to hold this phone in our hands - the sooner, the better. And some of you are really p***d due the ongoing delay of the assumed delivery date.

But.. this is normal for such projects. If I compare to other crowdfunding campains (for example SCiO, the have shifted the delivery date until now for more than 9 Months).

I don't understand, why you ugly around that much!
[Saygus V²] Shadoe_Lance:
Because I for one originally Pre-Ordered.. Not Crowd funded...
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I didn't see any warning or notifications about ship dates slipping or conversion to crowd funding 4 months down the road when I ordered either. And I'm sure that someone will chime in to say well you should have known better since they were a start up, buyer beware blah blah. Nope, I took them at their word that they could and would do what they said.

Now I understand better that they can and will do the job just at their own bumbling pace. I now understand that they have have no ability to schedule milestones and customer service/communication are of very low importance to them, even now. Customer service is more than, "Please submit your request for refund on our website."

If they had prominently labeled those facts when they opened preorder, I might have made a different choice. Months later, in for a penny, in for a pound. I'll stick it out and when I get it I get it.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I think that the past of Saygus is a contributing factor for anger. Delay can happen but 2 delays after a company failed to deliver a phone in the past is harder to swallow.
[Saygus V²] trompeusz:
I asked for the refund in 28th May, and I still got nothing.

They ignore my e-mails, my tickets, my tweets.

THEY ARE JUST THIEVES!!!!!

They don't want to give our money back. I think all who said in this forum, that they got their money back, they was saygus employees, who want to mislead us, and to make us trust in Saygus.

Don't trust them!!!!
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
Still waiting on mine as well from about that time..i reopened the ticket, and they told me they were forwarding the matter to their accounting department and to give it a couple days for them to respond. It's been a few days and still waiting, but I realize the weekend doesn't count, so I'll wait a bit more.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Wow. I think I have a defective phone as my Samsung S4, when dropped the battery flies off with the back cover. In the meantime I put a case on my phone and the problem has been resolved. I know it's just a workaround but I can live with it.
[Saygus V²] pah2602:
I got to about the 5th paragraph and I just gave up reading. Christ
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Lol. I can't believe I made it through the whole thing.

tl,dr can I get a refund?
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Sounds like good physics at work. I switch around between the Z3 Compact, Nexus 4/5, and my Galaxy S i9000 phone. Right now, I decided to use the i9000 phone until our phones come in. I'm surprised KitKat works so well with phones with less than 512MB RAM. Of course: I adjust my usage accordingly but I always impress myself that I can still make a 5 year old phone work today for most daily things.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
The video you are most probably referring to, has been published on April 24th 2015.

Just curious: When did you place your IndieGoGo perk? Was it on April 23rd?

You're trying to define it as a defect, when the back cover comes off, after you dropped your phone? :eek:

I don't see any place, where Saygus announced that the V² is very ruggedized (and made to periodically drop it). Furthermore I highly doubt that devices of other manufacturers will show a very different behaviour in this case.

Maybe you should try to sue Apple, because the screen/glass of the iPhone can break when it's being dropped and this behaviour isn't mentioned in their marketing campaign. :P

FYI: The device used for the drop test, which has been one of the manufacturing samples, isn't the version of the device you perked for on IndieGoGo.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Not only refund, you must also get paid vacation on Bahamas :p Everybody who made through the whole thing must get such vacation. Then we'll do flash mob together with margaritas on the beach. :o

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Relax, don't take it too serious - this is just another prank. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Now SayTruth is blaming us for the delay - we wanted too much: USB 3, dual SIM, working phone etc.

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/613037438609436672
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
I agree with you. This Cherry person is an idiot if they think this is a real defect.
[Saygus V²] bigred04:
Good luck with that Cherry63 - sounds like you're just looking for refund reason

Sorry, but I call BS!!! You have no claim, and should of figured it out before dropping money on an IGG campaign. No refund for you!
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Maybe not an idiot if he is going to get a refund...
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
I found this rather interesting comment in regards to Osborn, Australian computer maker from the 1990's - on theregister.co.uk

Sound familiar?
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Interesting. In the end though, I don't care what marketing strategy they use. I just want that phone. What other phone even compares? (Assuming everything works as expected)
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
No still an diot. That's like telling Ford, "I saw someone back their car into a pole and their bumper got dented. Your car is defective now give me a refund."

If they do get a refund , which hopefully they do, it won't be because of their bs defective claim. Instead they should call their credit card and reverse any charges.
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
You could try taking Newton to court because he discovered Gravity, I mean it seems definitely his fault because if he hadn't discovered gravity your phone; that you haven't got yet, wouldn't ever hit the ground.

hmm ground ... I wonder if you could sue Gaia? got to be her/his/their (well I dunno) fault, if there was no Planet Earth then your phone would be like totally safe from hitting the ground!

Of course it could always be your fault for dropping it?

Hang on you haven't even got it yet, and you want a refund; from a crowd funding site, in case you drop it and the back comes off? or did I miss something? (to be fair you'll have to tell me as I only read the first bit then sort of skimmed through to the end) sorry. :(
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
fwiw, I did get a refund from them in a timely manner (though again, I am in the US, I am sure that is why I received it quickly). I am not a saygus employee. Look at my join date.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
So seems one+2 will have another feature included... and they will be the first Type C
[Saygus V²] jcipactli:
As things are going, maybe Saygus will be the last one with USB type C :crying:
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
Woooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooo

Finally got my refund today. Never ever have I seen anything so absurd.

For those of you waiting if you have not received the email saying refund approved you need to call them. Then it will take roughly 10 days from the date you get the email.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
oi. i ain't working for Saygus. You are just too late to get your money back. I got mine back and if you look on my previous post I complain about getting less money back due to currency exchange. Good luck.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Or even shorter - maybe SayGus will be.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
That's not true. I ordered 2/7/2015, submitted a refund request the very day they delayed shipping the 1st time. I had refund to my credit card with 4 business days. They'll give your money back, they're contractually obligated to. Or else file a claim with CC company.

I'm not a Saygus employee. Check my history.
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
I'm I missing something? Every removable battery Phone I have ever had if dropped the back cover would come off.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
God..... so much negativity in this thread.

Saygus rules and so does Indiegogo or what ever they are called. This scam....I mean device is going to be the cutting edge of all that is holy in the android world..... I mean with that blazing fast 801..... omg should be out very soon!!!!!!! All they need is a little bit more of your cash and a few more months :p

Oh wait my bad ..... I didn't realize we were ripping someone a new one for saying his backplate is defective :)
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
How much more money do you think they need... I'll write them a cheque.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Do it....

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...9/Do-it.png/revision/latest?cb=20140814204631
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Hahaha

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There has been a delay on the cheque writing. My pen broke down so I had to get another one manufactured but they had quality issues so I will let you know in 5 months. (It's a dreamy pen... Can't wait to get it)
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
has saygus mentioned who is doing the android 5.1 for them?
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Their team is too busy working around the clock to answer a question like that
[Saygus V²] mbfdias:
I'd say they don't have anyone working on it yet, no phone to do actual development and testing, all parts haven't been even assembled in the final version. It'll be a while
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
They've subcontracted this task to local candy factory.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
So Saygus has raised ~ $ 179k via Indiegogo as yet, which means they should be able to raise about $700 k by the end of the campaign (assuming the average contribution per day doesn't go down). It doesn't seem like a lot of money to me, especially when they've said they're upgrading to Gorilla Glass 4, adding USB C and adding dual SIM support. I may be wrong, but I'd guess that the amount could be burned through in like a month. Maybe somebody with experience in manufacturing could provide a better estimate of how far they'd be able to stretch the additional money.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
If they would be successful to gain $2-3 million by the end of this Indeigogo campaign, this sum of money is extremely low to create a good gross margin afterward, besides the very high and expensive specs they promised to put in this V2 and the operation cost every day. I still remember how Canonical CEO insisted on collecting not less than $32 million on indeigogo to release Ubuntu Edge phone. He said ''We barely could be profitable at this point''. So, I highly doubt Saygus could be able to deliver what they claimed for along the announced time frame, and I don't know what next plan would be!
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
A Saygus Lemonade Stand maybe?
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
So did you get your refund?
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
And cookies.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
We're currently facing issues with our cookie manufacturer. We've found a new manufacturer who we have full faith in. In fact we've already tasted a few bags and it's awesome. We're also adding extra cream for FREE!!!

We're sitting here around the clock eating these cookies so we can get these AWESOME cookies soon.

Look forward to our exciting announcement soon.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Cookies on schedule for March May June July 22nd Shipping! Cookies in hand, July 22. Are YOU ready?!
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
"We just want to make sure we have every single cookie in hand, and that every cookie is well aged, before we send out even one cookie.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
"We now have 14 videos of our cookies. Watch them to your heart's content. "
[Saygus V²] prasathvishnu:
ROFL :) That was too good
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i noticed that saygus is now saying that people can "order" the phone on indiegogo. here's a really good local utah tv consumer news report plus a good bit of well informed people commenting on the story and phone. saygus has gone mainstream now, maybe the ftc will pick it up.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=35188284&ni...aises-over-1m-with-new-features&s_cid=queue-1
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I'm crying... Poor SayGus... Slaves in the galleys... https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/613416958805958656
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Disgustingly transparent astroturf #worththewait #saygusminute

If the Version 2 coming is anything like the first V1 coming faith will definitely be required. #keepthefaith
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
does anyone know if since saygus has moved all pre-orders to the indiegogo campaign they have stopped giving refunds to the pre-order people? i know people have mentioned they put in a ticket to ask for a refund, i'm wondering if they have been getting the "5 to 10 days to process" or something else.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Will OG preorderers still receive the SqGl earbuds, cuz WOW!? That's a $200 dollar value!!!!

What a total joke this has become, only good for comic relief anymore.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
This comment by Saygus pretty much says it all
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Once I get my phone and it works as intended, then I will advertise.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Can anybody explain me how the phone can be sexy??? :confused: