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[Saygus V²] redeyss:
That's fine and I don't want to be a hater but after a month of silence they decide, off the cuff, to shoot a quick video on a cell phone? Really, Wtf!?

I waited for two months and just couldn't wait anymore while they held my money. I will buy this phone if it works as advertised, meanwhile I've got the popcorn ready as the reviews roll in post 5/22. Should be interesting!
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
I think I'm being pretty patient, and heck, I would have been content if no new videos had been put out. But the fact that they have, and the fact that they are simply once again showing off something that we all understand works and what it does (wi-hd).. Well.. At this stage of the game, I'm finding it a little concerning that this is what they choose to show off once again.
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
Huawei p8 can be a promising option, but the down side is the non removable battery. Looks like they were reading this forum since a while back someone suggest to change one of the SD card holder to take two sim card. Which huawei did. Pretty good thing.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Dear Andreas,remember what I said.Even if you tear open your heart before the public,there still will be remaining doubting Thomases..

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[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I got a reply... But it's not good news.

UPDATE: The first reply that I received from support on this issue was misinformed. Saygus is running an internal beta program. Here is my post from the second reply I received about this: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60160367&postcount=1638

They replied!

To their credit, they replied within 24 hours. I'm very impressed with that, but... The response. This response threw up the final red flag for me. Here's the text of their reply; I grayed out all the copy/paste stuff.

Hi,

Thank you for contacting Saygus. There has been much excitement around the V² and we’ve been working around the clock to make sure to release the very best smartphone possible. We can hardly wait to begin shipping.

To answer your question:

At this time there is no beta testing program in place.

If you have more questions, or would like further support, please visit our “Support” page. You may also reopen this support ticket, or create a new one. Either way, we’ll be glad to help.

Thank you,

The Saygus Team​

So there it is. There is no beta testing program in place at all, with a few days more than a month until "release date". So, if they do ship on the 22nd, they will be shipping you an unproven product. With all of the innovative features they are adding, that's a pretty huge bet that everything will just work without testing it in multiple countries and contexts.

This just adds to the mounds of evidence that Saygus either has no clue how to run an engineering company, or at best is still very far from releasing a finished product on May 22. I had such high hopes for this phone, but it's clearly just a pipe dream. I'm out. Good luck to everyone who stays. :'(

If you can afford to wait it out, give it a try, and just get a refund if it doesn't work, it still might be worth waiting for. I personally want something more dependable.

Here's a screenshot of the ticket, fwiw.

[IMG="No beta testing program in place!!"]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/gwgav8gqcr6vtfe/capture.png[/IMG]
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
WTF? I can hardly imagine that! Not sure, if the ticket guy got you right. For me this answer sounds like he thought you wanted to take part in an official beta testing program.

Even if the support answers got faster, they got worse and kind of meaningless to me.

Really strange answer... :eek:
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Anyway of knowing if the YouTube video phone units had the new Sony camera sensor or the demo/engineering model generic camera app sensor?

Certainly an amateur video at best. Definitely no "phonearena.com" review to say the least. I guess its progress?
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Mind-bogglingly strange and terrifying indeed.

I hope you're right, but I think my question was clear enough... And quite honestly, I'm just sick of being kept in the dark about what Saygus is doing. It's funny, all they really needed to do was to say something like "Hey everyone, we're almost ready for production; we just ran into a few issues with [abc] and [xyz], but we're working on it!" Because that is absolutely what they should be doing right now. But we don't know that, and the only source of information (their customer support team) doesn't seem to know either.

Even if that were the scenario, don't you think customer support would have said something to the effect of: "We don't plan to have a public beta, but we are running our own internal beta program as we speak!"

You're right; it doesn't make sense at all!
[Saygus V²] Jan de Mor:
Absolutely agree. V2 possibly is a great phone, but Saygus comm really sucks. I wonder how many pre-orders they have lost because of that
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I got my refund several weeks ago, but I still do like to follow the action on here. Am I the only one feeling more and more like it's almost a ponzi scheme?
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
Well consider this:

If this were a Ponzi scheme, Saygus would be trying to make as money as possible.

The purpose of a Ponzi scheme is to make money.

Saygus is losing money when people cancel their pre-orders.

People are cancelling their pre-orders because of lack of communication.

Thus you might conclude that if Saygus were in it for the money, they'd be spending lots of time on communication (which is much cheaper than development).
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Turns out you were right; Chris Baker just replied to my ticket:

Chris Baker

April 16, 2015 3:22 pm

Hi Cullen!

Our apologies but we were just not clear about our beta testing. We have been and will continue beta testing here in the US and in China. Regarding a formal customer beta testing program, we don’t currently have one in place. We have talked about doing this but we do not have a formal beta testing program that customers can participate in at this time. Our customers will receive a fully tested phone. We have a team of beta testers in the US and in China. We don’t expect our customers to have to beta test any of our products.

We hope this helps. We understand that not having a fully tested phone would be cause for alarm. Please know that your V² will be fully tested. Our apologies that we were not more clear on this.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Thank you!

The Saygus Team​

So we're back to where we were before this whole beta testing question started, except that we do have confirmation that they ARE doing some sort of beta testing in the US and China.

Honestly, I'm still on the fence about whether or not to continue to hold onto my preorder. I'm at least not worried that they're completely incompetent with engineering, but their customer support and communication is completely abysmal, and I'm not sure yet if I want to stay on the roller-coaster with them or get off.

Saygus, if you're following this thread, PLEASE give us a reason to stay. (This is totally turning into the "bad girlfriend/boyfriend" situation people have been joking about.)
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Honestly just hold on to it if you can. The deal is too good to let go. Worst case scenario, you return it and get your money back. I've been debating it too, but the pre-order deal is so good that I'm gonna just hold on to it.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
You have that backwards. Cancelling it and getting a refund is the best case scenario (at this point); the worst case scenario is to just simply "hold on to it and keep hoping for the best." Simply put, Saygus hasn't provided anything, anything, of substance since taking pre-orders the first week of February other than pushing back the delivery date. Not a single respected tech site/company/company has even touched a Saygus phone to review it. As a start-up, you'd think that would be quite the priority, espeically since lots of tech arenas were excited about it in Vegas. Their twitter stuff is comical, if not elementary and juvenile. That "just trust us" tweet had me rolling.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the mentality on both sides of this situation. I guess what I keep saying is, you can have hope for days and days, weeks and weeks, now months and months....but what's the point of a fully-paid pre-order now? You can still have all that hope without committing to anything that, at this point in time, doesn't actually exist.

I'm waiting for Saygus to give me a concrete reason to re-establish my pre-order.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
I am waiting on the sidelines. No pre order.

I wish we knew what's working though.

1. All hardware buttons.

2. The Harman Kardon Speakers.

3. The fingerprint scanner.

4. Both micro SD slots.

5. Is the water resistance working. ...has it been tested?

6. Fractal antenna pick up on the device chassis and not just on the backplate

We have seen wireless video streaming. But the rest? If they are so happy to keep showing us video streaming why not show the rest?????
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
icymi.

Chill out. Month left of waiting. You waited this long to just give up? Smh
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Damn this waiting creates evergrowing negativity beyond deduction.

Just for the record- fractal antenna is an unproven concept. Not sure if it can even be tested. But it is valuable attempt and reason to believe that Saygus is trying innovation. I give them 10 points for that attempt. And googling about it will stop me from irrational demands like fractal antenna testing. (Preferably documented in HD resolution with dramatic timpani sound, just for my kicks).

They said 22nd. Where is the problem?
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I was curious as to what radios would be included in the V2, so I took a trip over to the FCC E-file database to see if they could shed some light on it.

Much to my dismay, absolutely nothing related to the V2 has been submitted to the FCC yet.

To see for yourself, go to: http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/

Grantee Code: XP3 (FCC's designated code for Saygus)

Product Code: leave blank

Only results that come up are related to the V1.

Considering that it'll be (supposedly) launching in a month, you'd think they would have submitted it to the FCC for testing by now...
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
That's not how this works.

New devices benefit from a period of confidentiality so that manufacturers are not forced to disclose details of their device prior to release. Also, sometimes another company will submit a device for FCC testing on behalf of the device promoter, e.g. a Chinese engineering and manufacturing company from Shenzhen could submit the Saygus V2 for testing under a generic device name with no obvious relation to it. This means that even the question of whether any application has been made is difficult to answer.

I tried to examine the device database with a specific focus on Shenzen companies located near the supposed Saygus office there, but the number of submissions from Shenzhen companies is very large, and the confidentiality arrangements mean that probably only limited data would be discoverable anyway.
[Saygus V²] Stardust001:
IMX230 review and a V2 competitor (LeTV Max)

I'm a new user here so cannot post link. There's a China made phone called LeTV Max which uses Song IMX230 sensor and there's a review on the sensor (article in Chinese though) if you google.

Also it seems LeTV Max (if you google) has same camera and WirelessHD as V2. V2 won't be considered top spec very soon. Still prefer V2 though of its hugh storage.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I know companies can apply for limited confidentially for a certain number of months. If they were going to file it under the Saygus FCC ID, it's very odd that they would require every single little document (including the confidentially request itself) be marked as confidential, to the point that it's not even acknowledged in the FCC's database.

Guess it's possible that another company is submitting it to the FCC for Saygus.
[Saygus V²] becks0r:
competitor?

hmm not for me, as the their phones are phablets with 5,5" and larger
[Saygus V²] babaAntoun:
Amen to that. Just cancelled mine and when asked the reason why I told them it was the total lack of relevant communication.

I hope it works out for everyone but "faith" & "trust" are not words I can use with Saygus right now.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Too good to let go how?

The specs get more obsolete and the price gets steeper every day, this is how technology works.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Oreders in saygus is going up dispite people how is cancelling thier orders

My friend just ordered one and the orders number is more than 10000

Thats realy imprsive :):)
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
Of that 10000, you have no way of knowing how many are cancelled. It could be 8000 cancelled and 2000 active for all you know.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
If that's truly the case, then I'd say my quote from yesterday or the day before is quite an accurate statement. I'm actually just really surprised that Saygus seems like they're botching this. Even at 10,000 orders, that's not enough to keep this wheel rolling (despite some of those orders likely being for more than just one device). I'll be very curious to see what 5/22 brings, and how, if they delay again, the script flips among everyone. Hoping for the best though for ya'll!
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
Please, stop crying !!

If you are agree to wait 5/22, no reasons to cry before.

If you are not agree to wait, cancel your order and stop to cry !

Is Nintendo communicates each week about Zelda Wii U ? Only the announces about delay (2014 -> 2016).
[Saygus V²] Jan de Mor:
If Saygus has really such amount of preorders, meaning millions of dollars, why they've not already hired a full pr and comm team?!?!

They seriously need it...
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
I must admit I don't keep up with news regarding failed video game systems.

Have Nintendo taken payment for Zelda Wii U already?

Because if they haven't then this is a pretty meaningless analogy.
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
I don't you think you guys understand how little money 10,000 orders is....

That's say $5 Million in Revenue discounting cancelled orders. I'm sure it costs at least 40% of that to actually create the phone which is let's say cutting $2 Million out of that. Let's say if they've been developing the phone for at least 1 year. Figure their team of engineers is at least 30 people? Going rate for a cheap engineer is roughly $75k a year let's say. Even at those very conservative estimates, that means they're paying $2 Million for development costs (probably significantly more). Then all the other running costs including facilities and benefits for all their employees as well as salary for all their non-engineering employees I'm sure comes out to at least another $1 Million. That doesn't include licensing fees, taxes, costs of attending all these tech shows, etc etc. So probably at best they're running a small deficit with 10,000 orders.
[Saygus V²] field893:
Hello all members of this forum is my first post , I want to participate and at the same time can tell a viewpoint about this super smartphone Saygus that I bought and I like to begin deliveries 22/5 .. . all discussions about non communication Saygus team with all of us , I personally understand them , they can not tell us that technical data is part of their strategy , maybe I'm wrong , but I expect with optimism may.

Bye
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
Did I miss the announcement of another phone with waterproof, durablity, high ppi screen, front-facing speaker, removable battery, sd card phone, fingerprint reader...? :confused:
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Actually Cancellation is inversely proportional to ordering.The present order status is above 10000.So whenever Saygus releases the phone and then you decide to order then,you might be doomed!Here in the place of "YOU" anybody cabe substituted.

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Thank you for having some sense!

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Which one?
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
ooh new twitter post of the front camera.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
This is a meaningless comparison either way. Nintendo is a 120+ year old company with billions in sales over its history of literally thousands of products. Saygus has successfully brought zero products to market as of this day. Let's hope the V2 makes it but Nintendo is one of the most successful tech companies on earth, don't even compare the two.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
It's with this kind of reasoning that young companies have difficulties to succeed. If you don't let a chance, how they can succeed ? You trusts only old companies ?

Big companies like Nintendo, Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nissan, Volvo etc ..... have already failed some products and sometime sold unstable products. Nothing is guaranteed ;)
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
This "reasoning" is a simple statement of facts, not just an opinion I am giving saygus a chance, I pre-ordered and have kept it. I NEVER said I don't trust new companies so please don't place words in my mouth.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
ALL SORTS OF NEW INFO ON THEIR TWITTER PAGE. FRONT OIS 13MP CAMERA SELFIES INCLUDED!!! CHECK IT OUT! FINALLY RELEASE SOME RELEVANT INFO, WITH MORE TO COME, SO THEY SAY. THE WAY THEY TWEET, IT'LL PROBABLY BE NEXT WEEK, BUT HEY, AT LEAST THEY'VE GIVEN SOME HOPE FOR THINGS TO COME.

FINALLY SOME DECENT NEWS FROM THEM. I THINK THEY'RE TEASING US.:confused:
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
They don't need to sell a bunch of phones initially. What they need to do is get cell service companies like ATT and Sprint to get interested enough to sell them in their stores. Once they get contracts with these cell service companies, they will simply bank. I believe their primary goal is to make people love this phone so much that those companies will beg saygus to get their phone into their stores. These phones are relatively cheap compared to some of the flagships of the mega phone manufactures. I know if I wanted the top line flagship phone from Samsung, I'm going to be paying at least $800 without contract. This phone smokes the S6. Cell service companies especially in USA can expect to reap plenty of profits off V2. That is if this phone lives up to the hype.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
The photos on twitter are definitely very impressive, especially if taken from a 'selfie' camera.

I'm not overly fussed about the front camera, but that is encouraging nonetheless.

Does anyone know if it is possible to validate the make/model of the device used to take photos that have been uploaded to twitter, just so we can be sure? Yes, I know I have trust issues.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Sony IMX240
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
So... the same sensor as the Galaxy Note 4? For the FFC? Considering that's one of the better smartphone cameras around, it almost makes me worried the rear (main) camera won't be the best camera on the phone... Considering Megapixels != Image quality. For those of us not selfie-obsessed, this could hurt the phone immensely.

It could also mean that these pictures were actually taken with a Samsung phone, if we're adding fuel to the possibility of scam... or we could end up with a really awesome rear camera that blows people away... which would pretty much entirely justify my decision to not cancel alone.

With all that said... I can't seem to get any EXIF data from these pictures to verify myself...
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Twitter deletes exif data
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
In that case, how do we know the sensor model that took the picture?
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
In the photo it shows the selfie and the tv shows the same picture. I really doubt it's not from the Saygus V2. But if you search Google pictures for Saygus V2 selfie you will see other pictures
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
My guess is IF they were going to "cheat" by using another camera to take the picture then they would have done it a while back. I also think they would have released both front and rear camera samples if they were using another camera to trick us. You could always email support and ask them to either email us the pic or post it to their website with exif data.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
I wish they would say if other things are working. Like the fingerprint scanner and if they tried testing the water resistance yet?

Taking a selfie with a camera isn't anything special. What would be nice is if they showed a video of them taking pictures with both cameras. So we can maybe also get a glimpse of the camera app.

Myself as well as everyone else here wants Saygus to succeed!

But let's go Saygus. One month away. Hope all you pre-order people get the phone and it's 100% working.

I'm excited for this device. Always have been. Hopefully their twitter will start to reveal better info and video. I would loveto see a working V2 going video viral maybe a week before release to hype it up.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
leads you to a video like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcuXa0RZJw

which was taken 04. 04., which is consistent to their "I don't give a damn about consumers" attitude, because front camera was working 2 weeks before their "demo" of the same camera. So... it isn't conspiracy after all: they are working on it and releasing demos and teasers when pre-order cancellations reach critical mass.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Yes but I believe that the sensor is not the same now as it was then. It was a sharp sensor and now it's a Sony sensor.
[Saygus V²] Squeezy2405:
hm, it looks really great.

Do anyone know, will it be shipped worldwide?

If i haven't a full optimized OnePlus One, i would buy it..

A dedicated xda team will be great.

I think CM or another Custom ROM would be incredible on this phone for much more power.

greets from germany.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
My guess, is that this is part of their objective to slowly let out dribbs and drabs of information to the point where the pre-order consumer are so pissed off they're about ready to quit. Then thet let out a little info. Guarantee they'll do the same thing in about a week to a week and a half. The consumers will start complaining again , because they've gone quiet then, maybe they'll have to sacrifice 10 pre-orders, then they'll release pics from the rear camera, etc.

They'll keep doing this right up till 5/22 at the time of shipping.

Who knows, they'll probably delay the ship day another 30 days.? Then what? What do we do? They know they got us pre-orders by the kahunas at that point and then they just dribble out a little more info to keep us at bay. Only time will tell?

I don't know their business ethics, but they certainly don't seem right to me. But what do I know? I'm just a regular guy.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
For availability, you can check at

https://www.saygus.com/faq/
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
Any further delays would result in me giving up hope on the product. Until May 23rd arrives without shipments, I choose to believe.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
I dont think that will be any delay :) and the pictuers from the FFC is looks great and i belive the same for the back camera :good:
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
^^Hope Saygus he's all this new technology-based hardware patent protected?

Big phone companies will be rolling into all this equipment in the upcoming year or two. They don't protect themselves now, they'll be out of business.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Thank you for what you said exactly what I am continuously saying here and will be saying in the future also.The leading flagship companies are exploiting we poor consumers at a unreasonably boosted up costs by showing worthless, useless & hyped nonsense and taking away already present most of the utility goodies thereby further penalizing us for availing them at yet another add-on cost.Poor us!Let us give a salute to Saygus for aptly including our own needs in their phone!!