yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
It's Micro-USB 3.0, which is backwards compatible with micro-USB 2.0 plugs.

Interestingly, Samsung are trumpeting the "World's first" 128GB UHS-II micro SDXC card at MWC, and suggesting that UHS-II, which they misname UHS 2.0, could take over as the internal storage interface from eMMC 5.0.

Edit: Interestingly, Samsung are trumpeting the "World's first" 128GB UFS 2.0 embedded memory, and suggesting that UFS could take over from eMMC as the interface for internal storage in high-end mobile devices.

I think they may be softening us up for the S6 to be released at higher internal storage capacities and speeds to compensate for the possible loss of SD card expansion.

This confirms my impression that Saygus probably won't have UHS-II implemented in the V², since otherwise we would have heard more hype from them and less from Samsung.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I preordered 1 on the first day to get a discount. But I will not open it until I can see someone review it in Youtube. If the software is too bad and there is little development of this phone in XDA then I would sell it on eBay..lol
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
June 9th update seems promising :)

http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2

NEW: As of June 9th, the first devices of the final/consumer version are expected to arrive in Utah this week.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I'm assuming that these will be the devices that they are waiting for to make our video!
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
andreas, any source? Anyway, thanks for the update.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
He just clarified the post and he said this means just the review units for the video.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
My comment wasn't a reply to yours, I didn't quote you or mention your name. I was just referring to many people who bring nothing but negativity. I didn't put anything in your mouth and I'm perfectly chill. So you took this personally when it wasn't directed at you or I would have pointed you out or quoted you. So... Yeah
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Very well then, sorry to interrupt your flaming, please continue.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Whatever things you said rightly, those won't bother them---
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
so once again we are at the point we were a month ago. pop the popcorn, it's showtime.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
but while you wait, head over to usa networks .com and watch the first "mr. robot" it's better than anything you will see here. ever feel like this saygus v2 phone thing is in a boot loop.?
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
No other Source than Saygus itself. Got that information during my latest call with them last night (5pm Utah time).

Lets see what the feature demonstration videos will bring. Hopefully they will have a better quality than their last ones. :D
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Yeah dude. When a company lies to your face....that's not made up . it's what actually happened. LMAO

Unreal. You are definitely a Saygus employee. Or your just another tool

How's my attitude now?

LOL PEACE

Keep in dem nutz lol
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Yes, that is what I wanted to mean because you always call Saygus to get information for us. :)

Dig deeper and deeper and deeper
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Good news we will be receiving our phones with Lolipop
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Maybe the added feature will be USB-C. Just throwing that out there. Discuss amongst yourselves.
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
Would be nice
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
That's disappointing. I still prefer KK over LP. Too many battery drain issues and glitches with LP, and material design is meh, imo. Should have at least shipped it with KK and posted the LP upgrade online, so people could choose between the two.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
The 2 things that have me considering waiting for the next Nexus are the quality of the fingerprint scanner and a USB type C port. If USB type C is the surprise though then I'm basically all in (assuming everything works as expected).
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
My money would be on having one of the micro-sd's be a dual micro sd/sim reader to appeal to the Indian and Chinese Markets.

Andreas mentioned that it was a consideration at one stage.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
That would make the most sense being that it is supposed to be a world phone.
[Saygus V²] TheYoungLord:
I'm in exactly the same boat. Type C on this would be a big improvement!

They have really gone quiet on hyping the surprise lately though. I'm hoping there wasn't issues adding whatever they had planned.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
...they've always gone quiet lol :p
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Too bad. If it is so I'll have to cancel since many apps not working on Lolipop.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Name an app that doesn't run on Lollipop.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
One is enough? Nikon Manual Viewer
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I just installed that bloated piece of crap on my Nexus 7. That's Nikons problem, not Google's. You said many. If a camera manual app is going keep you from getting a certain phone you have problems because I can't think a recently released flagship phone that doesn't have lollipop already installed on it.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
You asked one - you got one. There are lot of them. And I know that I have problem, but it is my problem and I'll manage. I'm not looking for any flagship phone and V2 definately is not such anymore, it was "kind of" 5 months ago... :(
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Those are good reasons to wait. The only reason I gravitate away from them (Nexus) these days is because they don't seem include microsd slots anymore. Other than that, they usually come out with pretty good hardware.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
My main concern with lollipop is that Tasker might not run properly. Some users have been complaining that its not possible to toggle mobile data, and that App contexts does not work as well as before. Also I'm not sure how well the priority system works with Tasker. Some users have reported that Tasker is killed due to the memory leak. Hopefully things works better than I fear.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
What are your expectations to the Quicklogic chip used in the V2?

Seems quite revolutionary if can give you a 25% increase in battery life without negatively affecting the user experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdTcUwFbpGQ

http://www.quicklogic.com/platforms/visual-and-display/al3vx/

Seems like this product was developed in 2011, so its a bit strange it has not been used in other phones before V2.
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
kitkat/lollipop

I'm guessing if one finds lollipop doesnt work for a few essential apps one might have, saygus will have a 4.4 kit kat firmware available for download and one can boot from one of the sd cards?
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
contact the app dev. Or get a PDF version on the manual ;)
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I plan to flash the crap out of it.

I'm glad for Saygus though. It might save them some customers and prolong their struggle.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It is such state for more than year... I don't think Nikon care too much about this problem. :confused:
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
they did for the wifi transfer app.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I think that this is most reasonable solution supposing that Saygus has developed one ;) We can't be sure in anything at this stage.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
The BAD news is, we have to wait another 4 months to work it on V2.
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
I beleive that as soon as they get the first batch of phones out the flow should be better after.
[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
Thanks for the links, I haven't seen that video before. Are you sure they are going to use the Arcticlink 3? I have seen this link but don't know if it's the same chip:

http://www.quicklogic.com/technologies/visual-and-display/dpo/
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Don't say "boot loop" people might figure out the reason we have XDA.
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
haha yeah. Saygus should be a member so when they run into issues this forum would be here to help them ;)
[Saygus V²] rammjet:
Andreas and Josh Werner on Facebook got a peek at a video from Saygus. They are under nondisclosure so could not reveal much. Richard Preston on Twitter stumbled across the video link on the Saygus web page and watched the video and posted about it on Twitter. Saygus then password-protected the video. I found the link on Saygus' page to the now-locked video and posted on Twitter. Saygus then redirected the link to the Saygus login page. You can log in, but you don't get to see the video. However, before the redirect, I captured the first frame of the video.

Richard Preston describes the video: Video taken in China factory. Young woman operating the phone. Most text in Chinese. Phone running Lollipop. Phone was unlocked using fingerprint. Started wifi and logged in. Took 2 pictures with rear camera and 2 pictures with front camera. Brought up web browser and surfed. Smooth, quick and clear. No audio recorded.
[Saygus V²] tommy96814:
i cancelled mine already. phone is becoming ancient cpu wise.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
There's more to a phone than just the CPU...
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
the CPU was released feb 24 2014 so it does age very fast. it would be nice to have the 808
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
I agree with you... The CPU is more than adequate, we need to look at the phone in its entirety...
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
I don't think people complaining about the cpu understand the point of this phone. It's not meant to be some flagship/gaming/benchmark monster (because benchmarks are so useful in the real world). Its biggest selling point is developer friendliness. No other phone exists (and I hope the V2 does see the light of day) that has this much memory, a removable battery/sd slot, and comes unlocked on all carriers. It's the only reason I'm interested in this phone, and if it has any success in the development community, the V2 and any future models can have serious implications on the markets OEM/service providers wish to target.
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Why install an App that the developer doesn't keep updated 1 year is the cute off for me installing a new app but I prefer 2months or less for most resent update

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Lollipop makes me wonder if Google looking for another phone compatible with Project FI (unlocked CDMA and GSM) isn't the real reason for phone delay. Project FI and both saygus said big announcement coming mid June
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
If a Google partnership is what the surprise is, I hope the V2 isn't "locked" to Google Fee. Horrible pricing for what you get.
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Won't be looked but all the talk about dual sim
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Because there is no alternative?
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
They are, according to this source. I think it was mentioned in other articles as well.

http://blog.quicklogic.com/arcticlink-iii-vx/clarifying-the-v2-news/

I think the arcticlink 3 is the chip, and DPO and VEE are technologies used in the chip. Not entirely sure though.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Been using Tasker on Lollipop for 5-6 months now but just faced one issue- having key guard settings active in a profile would lead to my phone crashing (this was only on my Moto Turbo, didn't face any problems with the Nexus 5). Once removed, I haven't had any problems.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
If everyone is getting it with LP 5.1 than it is definite sign of their incompetence making all the problems. Not a single sign of fraud left to discuss. They wouldn't be announcing KK 4.4 so loud and long. Would they? They obviously DIDN'T PLAN to make such a delay.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Last night the ass-clown running the Twitter feed at Saygus posted a link to an article about women's soccer. The content isn't such a big deal except that they should have better things to do right now as they approach the 3 month mark in delivery delay. So naturally, Twitter exploded with rage and the post is gone now. Anyone else see it?
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Not being from the US I don't see any reason why Saygus would delay the release of a 'Global Phone' for the sake of something that would only benefit those in the States. I would hazard a guess that the ratio of US to non-US pre-orderers would be at least 50/50 so I don't think this theory holds much water.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telecommunications_regulatory_bodies

FCC is only the US true...then there's the rest ;)
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
lukec36 Some corporations have more influence than they deserve.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
SymbianRefugee,

Your name is awesome. I hope Nokia will come back soon
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
http://m.pocketnow.com/2015/06/11/512-gb-smartphone

our phones will have those perks...
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
lol

Keg of beer $200

New tires for the car $900

2tb storage for your V² $2,000+

Priceless
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I'm a bit worried about the tech being used in the phone for the reason of developer friendliness. Last I checked, Synaptics drivers are not publicly available, Sharp does not publish any kind of available code for their module, and Saygus has not commented on anything similar to a Github either. I don't expect to see the kind of support that Sony provides for their phones and that we have to take control of the phone for ourselves, including cobbling the kernel source, if possible, assuming the bootloader will be unlockable(which I assume this is what you originally intended).
[Saygus V²] Steven_Richard:
2TB... ;)
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
It is my understanding that the non-compete in mobile telephony expires in about 12 months, so about this time next year we'll all be desperately waiting again for our new phones with any luck and with several years of solid R&D we could we'll see something truly innovative again.

Plus the Jolla CEO had gone on record saying Finnish companies should work together, maybe it's time to pull the life boat back in?

In the meantime Saygus seems to be the only company trying to deliver a truly quality phone with everything you could want.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
2x512GB = 1TB, not 2 :p

I'd like to see a phone with an msata slot instead of microsd. Then we could get ~500GB for ~$200 or ~1TB for ~$400. And significantly faster and more reliable. I'd take a phone a few mm thicker with the capability to take one or two of these any day. I wonder if the power requirement is too much.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Nokia is not a start up company. They have huge resources; they just recently acquired Alcatel-Lucent for $17 Billion. It is not hard for them to rebuild the handset division with their great experience and billions of fans who still love and trust Nokia. Most of this arena users still really see that Nokia produced the best hardware ever!

I will eagerly wait for their Android handset next year
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
yes but the slots are supposed to support 1tb each so when the time comes it will be 2X1TB
[Saygus V²] charnobo:
What image sensor will it use ?. Thought I remember reading about sony imx230 with phase detection, but google turned up some new sharp sensor

Fast focus is important for me, bought and sold a note 4 due to slow focus in dim light
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Right, but right now the highest available is 512GB for $1k, which seemed to be what he was referencing since he said $2k for the price, and since 1TB is not available.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
But will be by time of release of the V²
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
Originally it had Sharp sensors and they swapped to the Sony. Whether or not Saygus went back to the Sharp sensor who knows.
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
They better release the video today. Also better be shipping orders within the next two weeks. If there are anymore QA issues, let us know!
[Saygus V²] charnobo:
Any indication how good their imaging software is on auto is ? As I understand, sony sensors are very good, but sony phones have poor imaging software on auto and never wins a picture competition with other phones
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
I had a Z3 previously, good phone but craptacular camera, my current $125 MediaTek takes much better photos, especially in low light.

Also to note the Z3 had a cheap POS plastic lens raised ABOVE the back of the phone, think of the implications - 2 weeks and it was scratched to uselessness. Upon returning it a six week fight ensued, with several returns for not being repaired, with don't warranty ensured culminating in then giving me my phone back no longer water proof - luckily I tested this in store in front of the manager whowas very supportive and have me a refund.

But the main point is the camera is no good if the software is bog standard, so I am hoping for a Sharp camera.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
Bye bye everyone, I'm out now, will watch for the big announcement and hope for the best. Anyway I am happy for now with the Samsung Galaxy S5 Plus, SM-G901F.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Yep it bakes my noodle that the cameras on Sony phones seem to perform much worse that Sony sensors on 'lesser' devices... I've had 3 Sonys in a row and this is the last one - just need something to move to!
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Sample pics looked plenty of good to me. Then again I'm not a photo expert.
[Saygus V²] CHERRY63:
Is Saygus out of Utah a 3rd Party?

Saygus Terms & Conditions??

14. Defects, Warranties, Disclaimer of Warranties

If the Device is or becomes defective through no fault of your own, you may be entitled to a refund, replacement, or repair of your Device. Please refer to the manufacturer for any manufacturer warranty by contacting: Saygus China, 912 Building 1A, Hezheng-Huiyi Cheng, XinhuRd. Xixiang, Baoan District, Shenzhen, Guangdong China, Postcode 518101

If you have a defective Device, please contact Saygus support. If the Device is manufactured by a third party, Saygus may refer you to the applicable manufacturer of the Device for support with Device defects.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Is anyone going to be in L.A. next week?

https://twitter.com/travis_chambers/status/609235788350369793
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
Don't read too much into the term and conditions; most of the text is cribbed from Google's Terms and Conditions.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
I am, any idea what th is relates to?
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Its related to the E3 video game conference. A lot of companies host these "lounges" near big conferences. They lure you in with free booze and food so they can market stuff to you. I've been to the Wired Lounge at a hotel across the street from Comic Con. You plug your phone in to charge, grab some food and a cocktail and just hang out. Its pretty nice. I'm not sure if you have to be a conference attendee or just RSVP.
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
I have to thank Saygus. Their incredible incompetence saved me $600, as I've now decided I don't really need a new phone.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Congrats. I'm sure you can't go wrong with the S5. You'll probably have at least 80% overlap of what you would have got. Give us a shout back sometime and let us know how it is working out for you.

No doubt. Sad to see you go but it's not like I don't understand. It has been like a Groundhog Day of launch failure. I guess all that you've really lost is some time and faith in the little guy. Good luck to you. You should use some of that spare 600 to treat yourself to a steak.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Good luck folks on your wait with Saygus. I ended up purchasing an Alcatel idol 3. Like it so far. It's no Saygus, but we don't know how Saygus anyhow.

Best wishes. I'll troll on the sidelines from here on out.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I'm surprised to see so many people bailing with the shipments imminent (again, I know). This is the first I've heard of that Alcatel Idol 3. Judging by the specs it doesn't seem to shabby. I'll have to see how easy they are to get in the UK. Man I miss Merica.
[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
Looks like they updated the twitter account header image. Maybe a still from the video they're shooting or something? Holy god I'm thirsty for info.
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
If that's the case, it's going to be one of those highly editted promo videos with the simulated screen lol which tbh doesn't show anything.

Can we have a non-editted run of the phone? Like the one the guy said was on youtube before (I didn't see it, too bad nobody saved the video).
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
"Dream Phone". PC MAG
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
It is a dream phone because it only exists in your dreams.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
That's why I posted "WE all don't want to dream anymore" on twitter
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
As much as I hate to say it your right. At first I was super excited now I'm just like meh.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
You should prod them more on twitter. It seems they've directed more tweets at you than anyone else. Lucky.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
I've had multiple phones where the camera sticks out. Not an ideal design, but sometimes necessary due to how thin the phones are. I've never scratched the glass because of it.

Sony vs Sharp sensor doesn't matter. What matters is a good sensor, which both companies make, paired with good software. Either sensor with poor software will suck, and either with good software will be very good.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Yes. I am trying to do that. Hope to see videos and interesting updates in next week.
[Saygus V²] charnobo:
so would saygus write all their imaging software themself or license it ?
[Saygus V²] minatour44:
crowd funding project?? need more money?

https://instagram.com/p/3zPGlSnW6u/

from travis chambers june 11 twitter, seen pic on this forum before but not text

travis_chambersFrom small things come great beginnings. Launching what will be one of the biggest crowd-funding projects of all time next week. Shoot with James Dayton, McKay Hathaway, Danny Streadbeck and great crew at CVLT with some other characters yet to be revealed!
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
That is the thing Z3 did not have glass, it had cheap soft plastic for the lens. I have never seen such a terrible cost cutting decision on ANY phone before, let alone a flagship camera phone.

I prefer Sharp (a) because Sony have no idea how to write camera software (hopefully Saygus get us some optimised software as part of the package) and (b) due to the terrible ordeal Sony put me through for a simple warranty repair. Not what you'd expect from an international company.

The missing video: how hard is it to grab a phone, select camera, select video, record the production line, select share to Twitter???

2 weeks to make a short clip is BS
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Wasn't there a press release THIS week per twitter? Ugh
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
I don't know... every step of the way is late in its process with Saygus. EVERY step! Something is wrong here. I understand shipping delay. I can even understand second shipping delay. But then there is promo video delay, twitter response delay, even setting a delivery date delay. Setting all the data in one place to make a judgment I am quite confident it is not a scam but their allover result points to a scam. The problem aren't delays. The real problem is what is causing ALL delays that happened so far. I am so afraid that the same problem is going to cause Saygus to shut down. It would be shame. It already needs updates. And delays don't seem to stop.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
As far as I know the video is done. It just needed editing. Andreas saw the video.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
Yeah, that's the main thing that would make me hesitate to buy a Sony phone. From what I've seen, their CS is atrocious. Unfortunately, though, that is exactly what I expect from an international company. It's become the norm these days.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
still I can edit with kinemaster on the phone in 15 minutes in a manner professional enough fur web release - it's what I do regularly so no reason for the delay
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
as far as third party being mentioned i think it would be the entity or entities that actually manufactured the device. much like for the nexus 6 bought from google motorola is the third party. htc for the nexus 9, etc. what the actual service chain of command is has never been mentioned by saygus .
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Yes I totally agree with you. I'm no professional video editor and I'm still way faster than them.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Too bad I didn't buy the phone from Andreas, then I could just ask him for a copy.