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[Saygus V²] leytens:
I just thought about that yesterday... Everyone put 1 $ on Indeogogo and the first one who goes to Saygus office's, takes pictures inside (to have the proof that someone is effectively working there) and of the cars on the parking, can take the sum of Indeogogo.... :)
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
https://twitter.com/HampshireVegan/status/675259720777736192

A customer got a confirmation that the project i still alive, but they cannot say anything about shipping date. This is probably what most of us expected. Whats frustrating is that since we never get to see the device (properly), we don't even know if they are even working on the device at all. I really hope they will consider to provide some kind of evidence that they are actually working on this device, because this is really starting to get frustrating. For what we know the entire company might exists just to hide a meth-lab or something.

Do anyone know if they took pre-orders for the Vphone in 2009, and if yes, did anyone of the pre-orderers loose their money? Also there is some FCC entry for the VPhone. Does this state that the device passed the certification?

I still cross my fingers for this device to be launched some day, cause i still consider V'' superior to everything else, even with the somewhat dated processor. Actually I'm not to worried about the processor. Even older devices or low end devices run most apps smoothly these days. Unless you do a lot of gaming it does not matter that much what processor its running.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Funny people at Indiegogo:

They still believe in these lies. Amazing.
[Saygus V²] dakipmyster:
Certainly an interesting idea. Andreas seems to have a little bit of an in with them and I've seen him post on this thread before. I wonder if he can line something up for someone to come by and get some straight answers and take some pics/vids.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I'm pretty confident that the phones are not produced yet (best case) or won't be produced at all (worst case). Otherwise reviewer's units were already sent out including one promised more than month ago to very loyal Andreas. My assumption is also supported by the lack of FCC certification, lack of any evidence of produced phones (i.e. pictures of the stocks etc.), lack of any communication from Saygus (which usually indicate troubles in Saygus kingdom). I suspect that company will go bankrupt very soon. IMHO.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
Saygus @ CES 2016

http://ces16.mapyourshow.com/7_0/exhibitor/exhibitor-details.cfm?exhid=T0007209

Saygus has booth 36275 at the 2016 CES (6-9/Jan).

"Saygus V2 (V-Squared)" is a brand they will promote.

I have no idea what it might bring, but at least a hint that they are not running away with the money. ;)
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Is it my imagination, or have a large number of Tweet responses been removed from the Saygus Twitter feed?
[Saygus V²] dca1200:
That's what I'm noticing as well. I'm having nothing but a dead response on a cancellation of the phone back in August.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
No, this means that they are greedy and going fishing for new goofs. ;)
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
As far as I can tell, none of their Tweets has been removed from their profile so far and the number of Tweets (recently 1.404) hasn't decreased during the last weeks.

Which Tweets are you missing?

Maybe this is the link you've been searching for?

https://twitter.com/Saygus/with_replies
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
I thought that I had seen multiple responses to the following Tweet:

"All those who have been able to keep their orders with us will soon know the BONUS and package details. Lots of calculations and scheduling-"
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It is still there. Looks like twitter bot was laid off for the sake of cost reduction :D
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
To clarify: I thought that I had seen multiple

RESPONSES

to the following Tweet:

"All those who have been able to keep their orders with us will soon know the BONUS and package details. Lots of calculations and scheduling-"
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
And they are still there - nothing changed.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
lol :p

All those who have been able to keep their orders with us will soon know the BONUS and package details. Lots of calculations and scheduling
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
Andreas has posted a new update about Saygus on his site. The post proves that Saygus is not a real company and they will never produce a real product. Here are the reasons why:

1. The update should have come directly from Saygus to people who have order the product and not as a blog post on a fan site.

2. Saygus does not design, develop, or manufacture their own products; it's all a handled by contract design and manufacturing firms. While this is common in the industry, this means Saygus has no control over its own, and only, product.

3. The emails to confirm the email addresses were meant to mislead everyone since they are nowhere near shipping. And the claims of FCC certification are flat out lies.

4. Notably absent from the update is any new timeline.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
ok, another full loop has been made. saygus is reportedly blaming the manufacturer, again. if i remember correctly this was a major excuse used back in late may or thereabout. in any event it seems to have placed the project pretty much back on square one. on another note it appears that andreas is now offering to expedite resolving refund issues.
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
Ponzi scheme in my view. Continuous trolling for innocent souls to keep it alive. Whole thing is comical now
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
Andreas, could you please expedite refund request ticket #30431? Would be much appreciated.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This company is nothing except of lies, no singe word of truth. It is dead horse.
[Saygus V²] ProdigiousJordo:
An update to getting reimbursed. I did wait the 9 days they mentioned that it could take, waited longer really with lots of messaging asking to do this task. In pure Saygus fashion, they never replied beyond that, and I feel I found a mistake on my part, the credit card on file was my old one, and so if they actually did try to reimburse it wouldnt work. Alas I have to try to get through to them to inform them of this.
[Saygus V²] noci2:
Here is some insight in Phone development troubles., SW & HW.

http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Onl...ow-Projections-for-Linux-Smart-Phones-Mislead

Not about saygus case, but other similar brethren...
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
you could contact the business that issued the card, the original, and ask if a debit to it was attempted, they should know of any activity on the old number.
[Saygus V²] mikemaddux:
Very interesting! I didn't even know Linux was trying for a presence in smartphones.
[Saygus V²] moriel5:
Android, Firefox OS, Tizen, and Sailfish OS, and (obviously) Ubuntu Touch, are all Linux/Linux-Based.

iOS is Unix-Based.

Windows Mobile/Phone/10 Mobile are the only mainstream Mobile OS which are not from the *nix/*nux family.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
We are literally three weeks away from this phone being an entire year since it was last "seen" at CES 2015. Where's the due diligence checks at this show? I'm so glad Saygus has $0 of mine.
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
CES is a marketing event and their awards are marketing tools. They don't do any vetting of the vendors; it's not in CES's or the vendor's interests.

Remember, not only did Saygus won an "innovation' award for the V2, they also won the same award for the never released vphone 5 years ago. And Chad Sayers' previous company, PSNet, also won a CES award for their product that was never released.
[Saygus V²] leytens:
I'm very very glad also... And glad buying OP2 and receive it after 5 days....
[Saygus V²] dakipmyster:
Doing my homework this is correct. These guys talked big talk back in 2009 about a phone to come out with "video calling" features. Within a year, phones started having those features with Skype, FaceTime, etc.

Article about that here

2 years later, I found a web article talking about some 'vaporware' products introduced at CES 2009 and not around for 2011 Article here

1 year later after that article, I found another one about Saygus getting a 8 million dollar finance deal. Article here

If you look at their twitter feed history, they basically went dark April 2010 and came back to life November 2014. These guys will probably just collect their damn money, do something with it and when they have the need for more, will come up with some other scheme to push out another 'vaporware' product.

Keep in mind, 2 years after their introduction of their phone at CES 2009, they stopped showing off at CES. for those of you still holding on, good luck. Based on their history, you better pray you get a refund before they go dark within the next year.
[Saygus V²] Miggity12:
AndroidPolice just summed up the situation nicely. Sorry, the forum won't let me link. androidpolice DOT com/2015/12/17/editorial-remember-the-saygus-phone-it-still-hasnt-shipped-and-should-be-a-pre-order-lesson-to-all-of-us
[Saygus V²] dakipmyster:
Good article, got your back on the link. Anybody that signed up for indie gogo have the ability to link it there?

Article Link
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Posted there.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
BTW - people on twitter are completely unaware about recent "development". Maybe somebody can post there too? They have to know that V2 project is practically closed and there is high probability that they will never get the phone in their hands.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
As someone who works financial crimes and fraud for a living, this has been a wonderful learning experience of consumer psychology and the role(s) that a victim plays throughout the scheme. Hope and belief are the two most powerful emotions I compete with on a normal basis. No matter how much evidence and contradiction you put in front of someone, belief and hope usually conquer any sort of fact. I was so surprised to see so many people hang on to the pre-order merely to get some free headphones and a battery, even more surprised to see XDA mods tell skeptics to shut up. Hope everyone is able to get their money back, looks like you're going to have to fight it for a while.

Now I know why, when Michelle @ Saygus called me in February, PayPal wouldn't let Saygus do funding through them.
[Saygus V²] Frouxy:
Refund

Hello everybody,

Does anybody know how I can get a refund with an order from Indiegogo ? Who do I have to send to ? What's the email adress ?

Thank you for your answers,

Regards
[Saygus V²] ryanwoods10:
Best thing to do is contact your credit card company and file a dispute. I put a refund request in on 05/11/15. As soon as they missed the 30 deadline (which the credit card company said they legally are entitled to) I filed a dispute. Got an email today confirming that this chaos is over and they're refunding me.
[Saygus V²] dakipmyster:
RIP their fall 2015 shipping deadline. Can't wait to see what BS is in the 2016 year line up.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
After CES in Las Vegas they begin again to get money like indiegogo.
[Saygus V²] vctoon:
I also have put in a refund request on saygus.com and indiegogo and also filed a dispute with the credit card company. But now Saygus replyed on my account on saygus.com that they need my creditcard number and expiration date for refunding me. This is not right isn't it? Is this legal? I'm not planning to give them that info of course...

who is refunding you? Saygus or the credit card company?
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
If funds for a purchase were originally supplied by credit card, any funds returned must be credited to that card.
[Saygus V²] ProdigiousJordo:
I got the same request after mentioning they don't have an up-to-date credit card of mine to refund to. I supplied them the information, they replied saying it'll be roughly 9 days for my refund. I'll keep you posted :)
[Saygus V²] ryanwoods10:
As it goes, I've just looked on my bank account and it turns out that the answer is both. Capital One refunded the disputed amount, checked this morning and Saygus have also refunded the amount (ended up being more than I invested because of currency conversion.) I'm sure however they'll be quick enough to take those funds back.
[Saygus V²] vctoon:
And did you gave your whole credit card number and expiration date to Saygus? Can't they rob you with that information?

In Belgium all disputes are handled through worldline, I called them this morning and they said that they can't refund transfer from more than 3 months old (!In Belgium!), so I fear that I have to rely on Saygus to get my refund.

But they also told me never to give my whole credit card number and expiration date. They advised me to give them a masked card number with only the first 6 and last 4 numbers and the whole expiration date.

But I think it's strange that Indiegogo don't forward all info regarding funders to Saygus as they should have info to refund someone.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This is the promised KILLER BONUS - the bonus that will kill Saygus.
[Saygus V²] ryanwoods10:
In terms of the dispute, i pointed out the fact that goods never arrived. Didn't get any issues what so ever. I couldn't tell you what details you should and shouldn't give them, but they had mine on file from when I purchased the phone (back in may not from indiegogo) although, I know there has been plenty of incidents where peoples cards have expired and therefore they would need another card to refund it to.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
I don't believe you need refreshed details if the original payment details are held on file even if they expire - the CC company know what the new card details are and should handle the mapping.

You did well to make money on the exchange rate. I lost around £10 and gained a few (more) grey hairs.

Saygus honoured their refund, I didn't call my CC company.
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
I wonder if they really will be at CES 2016... If they are, it should be interesting... Everything silent so far.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
No new news? CES has begun.....
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
They show on the active map from CES
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Those scammers and liars must be punished.

Without any shame, they are playing same game they played a year ago!
[Saygus V²] arminator-hb:
Saygus V2 conceived and designed in 2014. Attracted customers in Jan. - Feb., 2015. Phone never materialized by summer of that year. Saygus began crowdfunding campaign to acquire more customers (and also to offset ever-growing cancellations). Poor customer communication continued. Months of delays and false statements from Saygus through to end of 2015, still with no phones. CES 2016 is here...where is the V2?
[Saygus V²] :
One post removed that wasn't needed.

Let's keep suggestions of violence out of this, even if it was joking. That's not needed.

Thanks,

Darth

Forum Moderator
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
News from CES Today, Website in chinese, but the video shows a interview with our friend Chad Sayers.

http://getnews.jp/archives/1336385

Additional source in english

http://liliputing.com/2016/01/saygus-v%C2%B2-smartphone-should-finally-ship-in-early-2016-2-microsd-cards-removable-battery-and-more.html
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
What a shame. They talk about first quarter 2016. Are u seriously. Why u are so strange. Why u annoying ur customers like this. T

With hopes and lie's. If you what be honestly then u had more pre orders, less customer who cancelled the phone.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
Don't hold your breath. ...
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
I just quote myself for some additional "new" information.

Have written today with a employee from "curved" who was on the CES today.

He write also that the Saygus Engineers will bring the "final Device to the CES tomorrow (including the new front glass with the new logo).

New shipping schedule is to ship out all "early backers" in the next weeks...

Source (sorry only in German): https://curved.de/news/zu-besuch-bei-saygus-v2-was-wurde-aus-dem-super-smartphone-335904

By the way: Snapdragon 801 will be definitely still in there, 820 only in the next devices

So cheers and good luck for all (including myself)
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I suggest to get refunds and wait for the phone to come out (if it does come out) and we will see how the phone reviewers go.
[Saygus V²] noci2:
They aren't the first one to get screwed by some .CN factory. The pandora palmtop PC had same kind of trouble.

and on top of that trouble with a Texas Instrument prefered supplier.

Nowadays the are made in small batches in germany.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i had trouble watching the video always thinking it was just more baloney. but it will be good to read what the impressions are from those who invested in this device once it is shipped to them.
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I hope so too. I'd say the most useful information in that video was up to 1:05. I'm feeling the desperation of some folks before, my Z3C kicked the bucket due to water damage just yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxa7ELKXez8
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
CES 2015 gadgets that "disappeared"

I thought that this was illuminating....

http://www.cnet.com/pictures/vaporware-ces-2015-gadgets-that-disappeared/2/

---------- Post added at 07:22 ---------- Previous post was at 07:06 ----------

The funniest thing is that the phone they're displaying at CES 2016 has the SAME logo as the one displayed at CES 2015 - they can't even display the new logo they introduced in May last year.....
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Great! More and more lies lies as expected.
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
That's not an issue. Things change in design/manufacturing all the time. Maybe someone thought the new logo was stupid, and so they went back to the old logo for the front, but kept the newest logo on the back like we saw in the video.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
The same phone and OS version on what they showed in CES 2016. And they are talking about the device will be out with Marshmallow. Too many BS this company is.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
they really play with customers. Chad looks like a mafia boss ;)

---------- Post added at 04:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:45 PM ----------

look in their tweet, they make bla bla, they write about the phone is already finish. then one of the member ask, what about certification. always no answer ;)
[Saygus V²] Deuzer:
Haha. That was me! I ask them every couple weeks. Never a reply.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
"I'm here with Chad Sayers, uh, from Saygus, and, uh, what's the plan now? When's it gonna ship?"

"Ummmm...Brad we're workin' on shipment, um...da,buh, we're behind because we got our new team now. We have our own manufacturers. Uh, our own production team that's actually setting up production, so we're expecting to do that this quarter. Hopefully sooner.

With all the features together, it's certainly worth a thousand dollars as a phone."

Sooner than first quarter? Fail. Q4 2015 has passed.

Ability to succinctly describe the problem? Fail.

Worth a thousand dollars? Fail.

Have a completely spineless "journalist" ask softball questions? Success.

This guy is a total slimeball. They are going to draw this out as long as they legally can. A year has passed and they haven't produced a single product. Ever. Unreal......
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
The best thing is, that they do the same with the saygus V serveral years before.
[Saygus V²] ProdigiousJordo:
An update to my expierence with Saygus.

Quick Recap: Been trying to get reimbursement since Nov 9th when I asked, Nov 20th they replied saying yes to the reimbursement and should only take 9 days. I found an error with using my old credit card, gave them my new credit card info.

Update: Called Saygus, surprisingly it only took around a minute to be talking with someone. I informed them of my situation, she asked if I called my credit card company to make sure they didnt have a hold or anything on it, I lied and said I did and no issue. She explained that she'll look into and get a manager or something (i was zoning out at this point) to look into it, she took in all my details such as my Order # and the ticket # where I requested the refund.

After the call I phoned up my bank telling them of my situation and asking if for whatever dumb reason they would put a hold on money coming in. They chuckled along with me saying they don't put holds on such things, they did check my old credit card and my current, no activity of a reimbursement what-so-ever.

The Saygus issues continue. Hope everyone else is doing great.
[Saygus V²] ProdigiousJordo:
Holy! Update time!

I got an email of a receipt (i guess it would be named?) of my refund, and they messaged my saygus ticket one last time along with closing it opposed to keeping it "in progress".

On the ticket the message is:

"Hello,

We have processed your refund, funds are on their way back to you. It can take up to 10 business days for the amount to properly reflect onto your account, per the merchants policy. If by the 10th business day it still does not show up on your account, please contact your bank first and then us. We will be glad to assist!

For now, since we have answered your questions we will close this ticket. If you have additional questions or need further assistance, please re-open this ticket. We will be happy to assist you!"

Opposed to their old messaged which mentioned 9 business days, I can copy/paste that message if you want to see the slight differences. Now to check my bank account multiple times a day. I'll keep all of you posted.
[Saygus V²] dakipmyster:
Local news outlet did an article about Saygus. Apparently according to this, Chad said that Q1 2016 for shipping. Reviewing comments on the article even the locals call it all BS.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38106908&ni...ntinues-work-to-ship-smartphone&s_cid=queue-5
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
"However, Sayers said he takes the complaints as a good sign because it means people want the phone."

Wow.

Ironically, that's exactly how Comcast views its customers as well.
[Saygus V²] nycelectronyx:
Hey I just joined the forum in hopes of maybe getting some help from you or others. I purchase over 3K worth of the Saygus V2 phones through indigogo. I decided enough was enough and decided to cancel my order a couple of months ago. I could not get in touch with anyone from Saygus through several means of communication. I was forced to open a dispute with my CC company. Indigogo disputed the chargeback saying that the money was already release to Saygus so I would have to get a refund from them. I finally received a call today from "Mindy" from Saygus whom refused to tell me her last name which I asked simply fro reference purposes. I found this extremely unprofessional and very shady. She then proceeded to tell me indigogo did not tell me the truth and that not all the funds were released to them. She said they would look into my ticket. She does not know when I will receive a refund. She said I "should" receive a refund. This is the worse experience I have every had. I am considering how much longer I should wait before taking them to small claims court. It seems you have a bit of pull with them. How did you get your refund? Thanks
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Welcome to the forum,

Did you really give away Saygus $3000?

Have you ever read how incompetent and liars they are?

Unfortunately, I haven't heard any Indiegogo case that got refund from Saygus.

Sorry to say it, but it was your mistake in first place. Paying $3K to an unreliable company is not smart at all. You should've read how many times they cheated customers before starting that Indiegogo campaign.

I hope you can get your money back soon!.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
You should not wait another second to get your money back. If/When it actually comes out and is proven to work without flaws and you still want it, then re-order it.

Exactly why a pre-order was insane. They've simply had a LOT of time to concoct this story and treated their pre-orderers like dirt. String'em along with a $50 discount and free headphones.....
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
There fixed it for you.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
i wonder how much saygus owes to suppliers. i read a while back [2 weeks or so ] that qualcomm is now their "partner" . this info might have come from saygus. i do not understand why in the world qualcomm would want to partner with saygus.