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[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Hi all,

I'm order #876, really looking forward to getting my pre-ordered tech, the V2 and also the new Pebble Time :D

I'll be upgrading from an Xperia Z3 Compact, reasons for wanting an upgrade are that the Z3C's camera performance is very poor, and the loudspeaker handsfree is barely audible when driving. I know I'm taking a punt on an unreleased phone by a company that has never brought a phone out before, but I have circa 150gb of music in my collection and I'd love to be able to have this, plus all my photos, locally - I've never really bought into cloud storage...

The promises about battery life have also attracted me, as pairing with a Pebble is bound to give a hit to battery life. And of course, the fractal antenna is intriguing, people often forget that phones are primarily for being able to speak to people!

However, I'm not entirely sure how future proof the phone is - I think they've missed a trick with a single-sim setup, I'd love to be able to ditch my work-supplied Blackberry and only have to carry round one device. My biggest concern though is the SoC, my Z3C has a Snapdragon 801, and it looks like even mid-rangers now (ZTE Blade S6 for example) are going to have 64 bit chipsets, will this leave the V2 lagging behind? I'm not quite tech enough to understand all the implications of this.

Any input on this would be appreciated, thanks!

Also, anyone else picked up on the 2 new colours, red and yellow - www2£marketwire£com/mw/frame_mw?attachid=2775220 (replace the £ with . as I'm not allowed to post links yet!) - nice, but given that these colour choices only seem to be on the back panel and not on the front fascia I've gone for black myself.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
"King Filipe of Spain came by"

At least spell the King's name properly for God's sake. It's Felipe.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
You have been very quiet, because you simply had nothing to say; Just like Saygus.

Sorry, It does not pay off anymore.

Thanks

.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
The OnePlus 2 invite requests are incredibly getting higher.

This is a real marketing strategy.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I never preordered, so I have no money riding on this, but I'm still looking forward to the V2. It has almost everything I want in a phone: not a phablet (5.5 and up), microSD (x2!), removable battery, decent chipset, no battery-draining 2K display, good cameras, and dual-SIM.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this might be the first Dual-SIM phone compatible with CDMA/Verizon. Having SIMs for my UDP VZW plan and 5GB/$18 TMO data plan in one phone would be bliss! (work has a LTE repeater for TMO but not VZW, so get much better signal with TMO at work, VZW everywhere else)
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
well, my refund took over 2 bloody weeks, dodgy ass employee asked me to confirm my email for some reason, maybe to delay the process...

now im ready to make a new payment/ pre-order/ paid waiting list, for the saygus V3 coming up :p its been about 12 months since the flagship V2 was announced.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
And even he said something there is nothing new - we know all this from useless Saygus Twitter posts. :( The phone still at development stage, almost nothing actually works in it, Saygus has never approached production stage and Saygus tried to deceive preorder customer with big hype of "May 22 shipping date" when they actually did nothing to fullfil it. Some calls this a lie, some incompetence, but the reality speaking for itself.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
I'm pretty sure your gonna be wrong, as saygus will need to add more to the hardware specifications for the next delay period, id say they will add a 3rd sim tray, (some phones have 4 active sim card slots).

you should have paid to get a pre-orders ticket and number, it was a fun roller coaster ride :p
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Finally got my refund! Glad to be done with Saygus!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Reading all recent posts here - it is time to start new Indiegogo campaign: "Get refund from Saygus".
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
well, i have to give saygus credit for turning ~$845,000 into ~$1,240,000. that was a brilliant idea. i can not get out of my mind the the indiegogo move was a sign that the development of the v2 had big problems and that those of us that pre-ordered were hoodwinked in a major way
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Same with me.

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Thanks Andreas for the information.I also am in the same boat with you still.So cheers...
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I am still in the game too. Your recent phone? Do you mean your Ubuntu phone?
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Super phone

Even with so many new phones coming out Saygus still is the "SUPER PHONE". To run down the specs that made it amazing

Sunlight Viewable Screen- Another OEM "claims" that in order to be sunlight viewable you would need the phone to be in your hand, but I think that's just BS.

Edge-to-edge Borderless Screen- Having incorporated Alien tech into their Phones, the V2 features an Edge-to-edge borderless screen - the left edge of the screen touches the right edge.

21 MP Rear Facing with Optical Image Stabilization*, Auto Focus, and Dual LED Flash - For those times that you want to click a picture of your "other" phone that's now gathering dust.

13 MP Front Facing with Optical Image Stabilization* and Auto Focus - 13 MP Front Facing!! Come on OnePlus, that's the best you got?? A 13 MP rear camera!!!

Dual MicroSDXC Slots (400GB expandable storage using SanDisk’s 200GB memory cards)* - To fill up with photos from the above two cameras. Can also be used to store the shattered parts of your broken dreams.

Fractal Antenna Technology* - How'd you think they managed to communicate with the Aliens? You thought satellites!!! Pfft, Please.

60GHz Wireless Gaming and Mobile Beaming* - Another bit of the Alien Tech. Come on, the "Beaming" in it should have made that obvious.

Biometric Fingerprint Side Scanner* - OK now the Alien tech gets scary. Wonder if the V3 will have a probe as well.

Harman Kardon Speakers and Mics* - For that Mega Party you're going to throw when your phone arrives. Crank up the volume people, your ears aren't what they used to be (when you ordered the phone)

Noise Cancelling Cypher Sound Technology* - Can be used to talk to the pre-order canceler, who you didn't invite to your party, while sipping on your drink. No Super Phone and no Super Party.. Awww

Power Saving Chip – 50% Improved Battery Life* - Not only does it save Power but a few endangered species and the environment.

New-to-market Waterproofing Technology* - Swim away from the crowd out to get your phone without having to worry. Just dive in and doggy paddle away.

Multi-Boot (supports booting from MicroSD card)** Exclusive V² Feature - Get more than just one boot trampling on your hopes and dreams.
[Saygus V²] Karly Johnston:
Vaporware doesn't have specs.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Or, in opposite, it has any specs! :good:
[Saygus V²] TheYoungLord:
Gotta love the irony of their twitter picture saying DREAM PHONE in huge letters. Any guesses on what the next inclusion for pre-orderers will be? Or what new feature will be added next?
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I'm afraid it became DREAD PHONE...
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
4 weeks still awaiting refund.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
It seems Saygus is running out of cash
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I got my refund a month ago. Yeah v2 has great specs and I am interested in getting 1 if it won't happen to be a Vaporware.
[Saygus V²] shekers:
i requested a refund on july 15th, got my money back in my credit card on july 29th...

All i had to do was submit a ticket, didnt have to hassle them at all
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I submitted my ticket on July 3rd for a refund on 2 phones. I've created 2 tickets, had 7 back and forth talks via my tickets, and one twitter post with absolutely no results. I wish it could be as simple for everyone else as it was for you.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
probably need to start a campaign consisting of phone calls to a consumer advocate from one tv station in salt lake city utah. if the station were to get a bunch of calls about how difficult it is to get refunds from saygus they might do a spot on the news one night. chad would love being interviewed about that, i'm sure.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Agree
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Why isn't there any activities in the this forum?

What happened?

Saygus is not dead yet
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
It might as well be dead. Haven't heard anything from them in weeks.

All the biggest complainers have mostly gotten their refunds, and have finally stopped telling us how stupid we are for hanging in there.

I hate that this company has treated its customers this way, but frankly there is no new phone that fulfills what I am looking for in a phone. Honestly, if the Oneplus 2 had NFC I would would have overlooked its gigantism, lack of sd card and wireless charging, but I pay for stuff all the time with my phone. My next hope is the Nexus 5 (2015). I guess I'm not settling...yet.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
You don't hear the inherent irony in this statement you just typed? It's not that anyone has "finally stopped" anything.....look how hard people are having to work to get refunds. Or just get honest answers from Saygus. Or get a ..... phone. Don't confuse consumer protection efforts with complaining.

Plus, don't act like you aren't complaining over on their Twitter page. I've seen your posts.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree that I also haven't yet seen a new phone that fulfills entirely what I'm looking for. In January this year this V2 phone was t!ts! But what is it now .....

I feel bad for all the new indiegogo peeps who are so clearly unaware of what people have had to go through on this thread.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Let's wait for announcement of Samsung Galaxy S6 Mini. If rumors are true it will be final nail in Saygus coffin, unfortunately. And if it won't be enough, then Sony Xperia Z5 Compact will perform the funeral and will sing the Requiem.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
How would a S6 Mini be the final nail in the coffin? Smaller screen and lower resolution, no microSD, no removable battery, less RAM, and probably less on-board storage than the V2. Only plus I see is the SD808.

Same with the Z5 Compact. Lower resolution screen, less on-board storage, and a SD810? Why even...

The "nails in the coffin" are not coming from the competition, but rather Saygus' failure to deliver. However, until another company comes out with a product that actually competes with the V2's features, people will continue to hold out hope for the V2 becoming a reality (myself included).
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Read carefully - I've replied to the post about gigantism of One Plus 2, so smaller screen is not a problem. All other specs are just rumors so it is too early to discuss it. Let's wait and see. Also S6 Mini most probably will have NFC module. And less RAM and storage in existing phone is much better than more RAM and storage in nonexisting one.

Same here, smaller screen size is big advantage for many people here.

People always holding hopes for many different utopias - c'est la vie. This is a human nature. But for now (at least currently) it is impossible to put all promised features together without huge interference problem. After all we are talking about RF device and as such this device (V2) is unable to fuction as a phone. The rest is not interesting anymore. Therefore as far as there is working competition for several promised features of V2, each of this competitors will eat some piece of small cookie (can't call it a cake, sorry) called Saygus fans community and will be nail in the coffin of Saygus. Sadly. :(
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
You're damn right I'm *****ing and complaining over there because that's the conduit Saygus has set up for communication. We don't know for sure Saygus reads this thread, only that Andreas reads it and (maybe) passes info on. Don't get me wrong, I love to complain. I'm a huge complainer from way back, but complaining in this thread has become an exercise in futility. After 4200+ posts I think we all get that they suck, we still want that phone, and its a ***** to get a refund.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone from the IGG campaign posted anything here? Seems like anyone familiar with XDA would have been aware of this thread and steered clear.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Some of us in the thread on the alternatives the V² are talking about the just announced Sony Xperia M5. The only negatives compared to the V² appear to be the built in battery size which is 2600 mAh, the lack of OIS in the cameras and the lack of support for 802.11ac. The only question is how good will be the performance of it's processor which is the 64 bit MediaTek helio X10 Octa-core.

http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-m5/specifications/

http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/e5603/whitepaper_EN_e5603_e5606_e5653_xperia_m5.pdf
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It is still too big for me - 72mm wide. And CPU is nice - score 42897 in AnTuTu is pretty good, on par with Snapdragon 800/801.

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New email from Saygus:

"If anything changes" - for good or for bad?
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
They are having Zero interest about the ones who pre-ordered.

Their current solicitude is directed only toward the Indiegogo funders and new customers.

I started to feel this V2 is a living scam.

Taking money at a specific time and return it later. They are concentrating on Indiegogo right now because that money is much flexible, so they might not return it by the end, since these were only funds.

The funniest thing is the Referral program.

'"More money is delicious when you got lots of idiots ready to pay"
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Hey, I didn't get that email. Looks like they're pushing the date out even farther by saying "in the months ahead". There's been no mention lately that the early supporters are getting their phones before IGG either.
[Saygus V²] field893:
Hi, as you can see from the announcement made to have surprises for Christmas!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
From recent twitter posts we can learn that V2 can make a call - huge progress from game console. But still - no mobile data connection, nor 2G, nor 3G, nor LTE. RF interference issues still there?

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And as usual - bunch of useless videos with some talking heads instead of actually showing wonder-features of wonder-phone... How pathethic.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
The below email seems to be directed to Indiegogo backers, not pre-registered buyers "fulfill (sic) all perks"

New email from Saygus:

Quote:

With our campaign behind us, we're hard at work to get a Saygus V SQUARED into your hands as soon as possible. We're doing our best to fulfill all perks this Fall, and will notify you via email and social media if anything changes. Throughout the coming months we’ll keep you updated on the progress via email, Twitter, and Indiegogo. If you have any questions or would like to update your shipping address, you can shoot us an email at info@saygus.com. Please be aware that due to the volume of emails we have received, it may take a couple of days for a reply.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This twitter guy went completely out of his mind:

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/628872251740327936

Looks like they urgently need some mental health specialist...
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I don't think I can hold out that long. I mean, I'll still get the phone, but I would be mentally broken. The more I see of the phone being demoed: there is that reminder that I do not have this phone in my hands yet. I can always get the upcoming phones in the mean time, but I'm trying to resist that.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
There is no attribution for this "announcement" - I don't think that ANY specific dates have been mentioned in dispatches.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
This announcement from Turing Robotics relating to their phone is what SHOULD have come from Saygus:

"Our promise to you

You showed your love for us, here’s our promise to you.

Reservation = Guarantee.

We are obligated to deliver* a Turing Phone™ to you once your reservation is made. For those of you who have already reserved a Turing Phone you have the option to switch to a different model and storage option when it comes time to pay for your phone(s). We will only start accepting payment when the Turing Phone has gone through all qualifications and passed all software and durability tests.

*Successful payment must be made before your Turing Phone is shipped."
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Initially when I went to the Saygus site to submit my order: I was surprised when my CC was debited right away. It wasn't a negative thing for me, but just used to previous experiences where pre-orders aren't debited until the item has shipped. Finances is not an easy thing, which is why I am tolerant of Saygus. Good on Turing though for those who likes that kind of PR.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
423 pages of hope followed by disappointment followed by stress. I FINALLY received my refund despite the "support" asses best efforts to delay.

I am glad this is all over and am very happy with my Z3C at 1/2 the price.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Happy end :p I'll wait for final specs of few phones that will be announced in upcoming month and then will see. Z5C, S6 mini and (maybe) Bluboo Xtouch worth to check. Also Meizu M2 mini and Axon mini on the horizon.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
It took 37 days and an insane amount of communication but I go my refund for 2 phones today. I'm glad that it is over for me. For everyone else, I wish you the best of of luck. I might be lurking now and then to see what becomes of this phone but for now, I've had enough.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Everyone is leaving!
[Saygus V²] Darkside14:
Not me, I've got sufficient patience to wait until Christmas, passed this deadline, I'll ask for a refund...
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Is there any chance Qualcomm will discontinue the Snapdragon 801 and mess up Saygus' plans? They have been announcing lots of new processors including a couple of more today so I'm wondering if they'll replace the 801 soon.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
thats the surprise additional gifts for the next delay phase...

"hey guys, we're happy to announce that everyone is getting a free upgrade to a faster cpu! the brand new 802 chipset! way faster then the 801! now you know why so many people are waiting for our future phone!" on something like that.

..
[Saygus V²] Vattu:
So, on Saygus' Twitter page, they

claim

to be done with development, and has begun production. source!

I hope that means that the water-proofing is up to par with the standards, and that multi-boot works as promised. The latter could of course be resolved with a software update later on, but that's not what they wrote on Twitter.
[Saygus V²] moriel5:
Can someone contact the FCC and ask them if Saygus had even contacted them?
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Saygus won't contact FCC. They will hire one of the 5 private fcc testing facilities hear in Utah they will do testing and report to FCC. That's how it works. FCC doesn't do any testing themselves.
[Saygus V²] AdamColligan:
I have no special information -- I guess they could announce imminent delivery at any time. But my impression is that this tweet is part of a word game that you are reading too much into. They didn't actually say "production"; they said "production stage". They say that stage includes, but I think is not even limited to, "tooling testing, short runs, and then a reevaluation of the phone". Saygus people have been describing the phone with phrases like "fully functional", everything works, already through beta, etc., for many months.

Basically, for this company, "design stage" is anything that takes place on a napkin, "development stage" is anything that takes place on loose-leaf paper or spiral notebooks with the optional use of a ruler and protractor, and "production stage" is everything else. Well, actually, come to think of it, I think that we got a preview earlier in the year of the fact that the "shipping" phase will be defined to include the period in which a bored Saygus employee calls around for quotes from UPS, FedEx, and TNT to ask what they charge for sending a phone to Uzbekistan but not to the United States.

TL;DR: Don't read Saygus tweets as if they're written in the same version of the English language that you speak.
[Saygus V²] Vattu:
Thanks for your input. You're probably right. I believe we both can agree that Saygus sucks at informing their customers. Trying to be sneaky while doing it is even worse.
[Saygus V²] moriel5:
Yes, but the FCC should have some data.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
20 May: ARE YOU READY!?! SAGUS SHIPPING 22nd May!!!

Everyone forgotten this?

Nothing they say is true.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
You can check it any moment by yourself on FCC website - once the product submitted to FCC in appears there.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
my thinking is saygus is repeating the information steps to the indiegogo people that they used on the pre-order people. saygus seems to be dancing around for the indiegogo as they did for pre-order. in a month or so they probably run into parts problems, followed by a production quality problem, shortly therafter a need for a new fabrication team, about thanksgiving time they will inform that realistically nothing can be shipped this year due to heightened concerns for quality and so great things will happen early next year. then they have several hundred phones to take to the trade shows which gives them great press. with all this they start another kickstarter campaign somewhere. i'm really surprised that no major media magazine has sent a couple writers to find out what the heck is really going on by contacting anyone who has had anything to do with saygus over in china. or some tv station in salt lake city doing an investigation type series. saygus has been talking junk for just about 1 year and tapped people for over a million with nothing much to show.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Agreed. I just checked the FCC website today again and there is still no new device approvals for Saygus.
[Saygus V²] moriel5:
Then we should notify AndroidPolice, Neowin, Indiegogo, and whoever else can help put a stop to this fraud.

I seem to remember Saygus claiming several times that the device was certified.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Even if they requested confidentiality from the FCC there would still be documents up on the FCC website for the V². And why request confidentiality when you've published the specs and you're putting out pictures and videos advertising it.

On a side note it took 10 weeks to get credit for 2 of the 3 phones that I ordered. I requested credits on May 20 and 27 for 1 phone each time because my 2 friends gave up on Saygus and the credits posted to my credit card on July 27 and August 6. I'm going to request credit for the 3rd one by the end of this month if I don't see any indication that they'll be shipping soon.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
By the way, the guys from saygus has updated their Specs on the Homepage.:good:

Now the USB Type C and Android 5.1.1 is now inside, otherwise no new "dream" specs like Snapdragon 810 or 64 Bit Ram.

and the worst thing is already no news regarding the production nor the delivery date.

So, please hold the line...:eek:
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It is Dream phone, no need to produce and deliver - just dream it!
[Saygus V²] moriel5:
About refunds, you can tell that they're trying to evade them, they're just being forced to return it.

As for certification, I'm pretty sure I remember them announcing that the V² has been certified on multiple occasions, however there is nothing on the FCC.

So yes, it is a fraid.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
where ?
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
No, they claimed many times that they are "working with FCC certification labs" which is not fraud, but blatant lie, because it is very difficult to work with lab by presenting them dream product. Unless it is dream FCC cert lab.
[Saygus V²] moriel5:
Sorry, my memory must have mislead me.

Either way, unless Saygus decides to stop with these games and to keep their promise, they need to be stopped, before they cause real harm.