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[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
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ME:

So far social media and demonstrations have been lacking. It seems that Saygus is relying on demos for WiHD, and referencing a raw feature list. At this point, I have been noticing a lot of people including myself grow nervous as there are no demonstrations of the camera app or image quality, no demos of app switching, no demos of the fingerprint scanner, no drop tests, no audio quality demos…..just no demos of fundamental stuff like that. More and more people are talking about cancelling their pre-orders…. There was also a tweet about “Watch for big news this week” and then nothing came of it. Please have more of a social media presence and follow through. Will there be an effort to communicate more effectively with the public and to draw more attention to these features in action?

Thank you, and please continue working hard.

REPLY:

Jonathan Samuelson 6 hours ago

Thank you for contacting Saygus. We apologize for the delay in responding to your inquiry, we got a bit backlogged. There has been much excitement around the V² and we’ve been working around the clock to make sure to release the very best smartphone possible. We can hardly wait to begin shipping.

To answer your question:

As for the Cameras:

Video Cameras - The V²’s cameras are both capable of shooting 1080p video and 24fps. I’ll have to get back to you on higher capabilities. I’ll need to ask around, give me a little more time on that one.

HDR Function - The HDR camera function is similar and works the same as on other high end smartphones. The real difference is in the camera itself being higher quality, resolution, and having optical stabilization.

The reason there haven’t been demos for the other amazing features of the V² only because it would be meaningless at this time. The V² is at its final stages, we are just making sure we deliver the best smartphone possible. We have several models at the office, they all work great. However the final V² will be much better, therefore showing off the V² at its current stage would be meaningless since the final model will be even better. I personally can understand how you feel, You want the best bang for your buck, right? The V² will be amazing. We are confident you will love it. Hang tight while we finish up. We apologize for the wait, but it will be worth it. Thanks for your patience.

I hope that helps.
[Saygus V²] bnick22:
Source: [I can't post links just yet, but search The Register in the UK for the 3/4/15 article on the V2.]
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
link here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/04/saygus_aims_samsung_v2_launch_android/
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Thats realy good NEWS .. although he did not mentioned anything regard sheping date :rolleyes:

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I really never trust these news and sources :confused:
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
A Quick Summary

Here's a summary of the way I see things with this right now, hope this helps!

Why to be worried

Saygus has been very bad at communication, including failing to keep up with a promise of "big news" without any clear apology or explanation.

Saygus charged everyone at the time of pre-order, rather than at shipping time. (I believe some have confirmed that they've gotten their refund when they asked for it.)

Some of us are concerned that some of the basic features of the phone, such as the camera, booting from the SD, and 3D sound have not been demonstrated. A Saygus representative has sent an email to Vapour_909 (which has kindly been shared above: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59229333&postcount=529) confirming that everything works, but is currently being improved right now, so a demo would be pointless. Reading between the lines tells me that these features are probably not ready for demo yet, but that's speculation.

Saygus has a bit of bad history that we all hope they're not repeating. (Google the Saygus Vphone, I believe that's why the company says they've been "around the block".)

Why not to lose hope (yet)

The V² has way more to offer than any other phone out there.

Saygus appears to be catching up on the much-needed communication.

It sounds like we may hear about shipping dates soon, so for those who can afford it, it'll be worth the wait (hopefully).

There had been some talk about a June or so ship date, but that's a soft date, so I wouldn't count in it.

In the case that Saygus can't make the phone, it's likely you'll get your money back, and hopefully the competition will have something that is almost as good or even better by then.

Personally, this phone is just way too enticing to not give them a chance. I'm holding onto my preorder for now. If I don't hear anything by the end of March, then I might have to reconsider. I just hope my poor S3 can survive the wait. :)
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
So they have models at the office that work great. Isn't a great working model good enough to go demo the basic functions of? And then say they will improve further by launch?

They keep avoiding talking about lollipop also. I can't help but wonder why they aren't using it. It's been out for like 6 months now I think? Not to mention the l preview before it. I think relying on CM or another dev to update it is a terrible idea. They should be able to update the stock rom by now. It's aosp for crying out loud. Most of the work is already done for them.

Why were we charged so soon before shipping. I think the next person to e-mail then should ask (they never responded to my 2 emails). The longer they have our money the harder it will be to get a refund should they give us any grief for canceling (if it comes to that).

If this is the service we get before they ship does anyone really think it will be better after they ship and they aren't worried about having to give us bank our money?

Oh and the guy never answered the part about a big surprise either. I kind of think the surprise they were referring to was just being at mwc.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I'd seriously be let down if May/June is the targeted date. FAQ states 6-8 weeks and sure I'm willing to accept up to ten weeks. I finalized order on the 4th of February which means by mid-April I'm going to be furious if I don't have the phone in my hand without detailed information on why I don't. Anxiety of this purchase would easily be alleviated by active communication about developments regarding the phone. I understand they initiated pre-order to accumulate funds and understand the volume of interest in their phone; however a good business practice on their part would be to again communicate developments so that they can save themselves from refunds. I have two sides fighting in my head, yes I know they are new company trying to become successful in an unforgiving industry, but the other side says, it's easy to appraise us with developments. They probably have trade secrets they need to keep from leaking- they don't need to reveal them to have good communication.

My two cents.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
I understand everyone's frustration. This could possibly has serious implications if Saygus end up just like their Vphone many years back.

Just some of my input...

1. First of all, to effectively cancel a pre-order, you need to do it within 30 days of the pre-order. Failing which, you might as well just wait for the phone to be shipped and not suffer anymore lost....

2. Keep in mind that before any shipping, the cost has to be settled and paid for. In addition to that, it was made known that accessories for the phone will be made for us to purchase at the same time.

This takes time and in order for shipping to take place by 30 March, shipping details has to be provided to us by at least 2 weeks before shipping. It is not just 1 order, they could be handling thousands of delivery orders. Moreover, they said that its not guaranteed. But... Where is our updates??

3. I am confident to say that Saygus is trying to raise awareness of this phone both at CES and MWC. They may have caught some investors interested and could potentially have more funds. This will help them in the long run.

4. I believed this is for real. It won't be another Vphone saga. This is a world phone. Even if Verizon does not approve, they can have their business elsewhere around the world. Their appearance at CES and MWC shows their confident and are ready to let the world know their product.

5. Both Founders Tim and Chad have valuable experience and has partner with several companies for this Saygus V2. I think it is not easy doing that and they have done a great job incorporating several technologies into the phone with its partners. Good job on that!

6. I believe Saygus is on the conservative side. They are trying to ensure things work perfectly well before it is officially start shipping. I am sure they have some really working good unit. Just some touch up.

Just my thoughts....
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
For those of you wanting a more detail walkthrough the V² and it's software, here is a new review on YouTube from an indian guy, who speaks really fast. :D

He mentions that the build quality is quite good, what was really nice to hear for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqpajr0mgU

Those of you wanting some gaming fun while waiting for the V² to ship:

The game they are playing via WIHD the whole time is called "Riptide GP".

It can be found here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vectorunit.blue
[Saygus V²] letinsh:
Boy, you weren't kidding about that!
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
^^ I fully agree with this assessment. They've been burned in the past with the failure of the original V Phone. They're not going to sink their own ship this time. Too much at stake. They do have a world market they are now appearing to and I can agree they probably don't want to let any information on certain phone features out yet, before they are final; hence the reason they've been tight lipped about certain features, good or bad.

Secondly, their appearance at MWC alone is quite a feat. Very expensive, much planning, their exhibit house they have there alone is probably a $100k set up and then to have it shipped to site is additional cost. Appearing at this event/venue on the other side of the planet is no easy challenge to accomplish. The appearance at this event, IMO, tells me they are marketing this project to a larger audience, not just single end users like most of us. They're trying to make bank here! They're definitely looking to appear to a much larger market with big money investors. To do this successfully, takes much tact, planning and strategy to ensure a possible deal with a larger financier, as they have more money to possibly lose then we do. Sad to say, but likely what's going on. They're probably not releasing too much detail on the applications that are not finalized, as to not scare off any potential larger investors.

I would be inclined to think they'll release a summary/conclusion of the MWC, once they get back to the States and continue working on engineering production with fulfillment of manufacture to China?
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
So the rumors are that the m9 is going to cost 599 (based on the amount that they claimed in the estimation for a prize).

So the saygus being 100 less than other smart phones doesn't really hold true. It's the same price the way I see it. Yes iPhone and gs6 will likely be more, but those 2 companies normally charge more because of the name... I still think they need to drop the price to 499 if yet want to really be competitive. Either that or switch to the 810. If they had better processor I wouldn't care so much about waiting until May/June.

I still have a hard time convincing my brain that this is still a good deal when the one plus one was 150 less over a year a go for same processor and memory... I know there's other differences, but those 2 are huge when it comes to performance over the next couple years...

I'm debating the m9 at this point in time. I am mostly waiting to see what saygus does. If nothing by the time I can get the m9 then that's what I'm getting...
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
I sincerely urge all to support Saygus and their new product.

Give them a chance, just like how you gave Samsung and Apple a chance when they are unknown many many years back. Am I right? Everything start from a beginning..

Everyone deserve a chance, every product deserve some credit.

Pls tell me a phone with so much features in it. You will say its SAYGUS V2. Throw away thoughts of getting Samsung or HTC or Sony or Oneplus One or LG... The Saygus V2 is the "one" right now.

So click on www.saygus.com and purchase your superphone now!
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Yeah ok we supported them? But did they **** us around and get us to pre order and take our money instantly without any confirmation of shipping date? Then become dead silent? You're missing a vital piece as to why were doubting them and their ability to release this phone. Were feeling uneasy and we have good reason to be... The response I seen from them in this thread to me shows they have no working phone to show us, and with them saying the release will be better... Its like a cover up.

They also had a fail phone before this...
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Do you work for Saygus? Did we finally

Get them to look at this thread? Lol

Different time then years a go. Back then there was little to no competition. Now there's tons of choices.

I am a huge supporter of this phone. I'm pushing everyone that asks this direction. However, how many of the phones features are actually gimmicks that will be used on a regular basis?

The hd streaming? You can already do this with a cable and wireless if you have a cast device. I'm the only one I've ever known in person that has ever hooked their phone up to their tv (or wanted to for that matter).

The finger print sensor? While I'm a huge fan of the way the gs6 has theirs setup, I'm not holding my breath for this one. Their hasn't been a single phone yet that had a swipe finger print scanner that worked reliably (if it doesn't work at least 90% off the time it's going to be too annoying to even bother with). I hope I'm wrong because I really really want a finger print scanner.

The dual sd card slot while useful, I don't know if it will make a huge difference vs one to most people (besides being able to say that I can do it). I'm not even sure if I'll buy a 2nd sd card. Although probably will just to say I have it. Not that I probably need it. Again we've seen no evidence that the phone will even work with 2.

The antenna thing I'll believe when I see it. Same with the power saving chip. Camera quality unknown.

Okay my point is they are asking a LOT from us to trust them without being given much back. Ie communication or pictures of taken with camera or finger print scanner working. I know it's still being worked on, but they said they have great working ones. They can at least show one video of things working...

At this point the only things working that have been shown are wireless streaming. And that the phone powers up with aosp on old version. We haven't seen any proof that it can even make calls. Or that the amazing speakers work. Wireless charging. We've seen nothing but a spec sheet if you actually sit down and actually about it.

Sorry for the long rant. I'm very passionate about this phone and want it so bad, but it's getting more frustraTing with each passing day with no changes that we can tell.
[Saygus V²] Reallionare:
I'm not 100% sure but correct me if I'm wrong, Lollipop was designed/coded for 64 bits , Im thinking this is why Saygus is not as of now advertising the V2 with Lollipop...
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
My s4 has lollipop and Samsung released the source code aswell
[Saygus V²] Reallionare:
Is it running smoothly, I have read on XDA that Lollipop updates have not been running properly........I was leaning toward the Saygus V2 but Im now going to wait until they start shipping so consumers can test/review this phone, what I have learned in the past the first or second batch will show if any known issues occur.... Although with this many features on one phone does bring anxiety for all enthusiasts...I anticipate root access and dual booting features out of the box..:D
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I don't know why everyone saying it will have root access out the box I very much doubt it will.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
Pretty much nothing out atm is 64-bit compatible....

did anyone catch this?
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
Lollipop is Androids first 64 bit OS but is also 32 bit as well...

Read this about Lollipop 64 and 32 bit OS... ;)

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/android-5-0-l-features-list-what-s-new
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Yeah they have to tweet from an iPhone because their phone doesn't work.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Thats messed up... not even using an android phone...
[Saygus V²] BiffTirkle:
I sent saygus a link to the thread. Maybe they have visited. Perhaps our statements and imploring for more info will be responded to.

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did anyone catch this?

[/QUOTE]

I'd bet that one of the staff use an iPhone. That doesn't bother me. I think OnePlus did something similar. That was a fiasco when it was announced too.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
The video posted earlier the reviewer mentions two variants one with 2gb ram and one with 3gb ram?
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Yes, I think it was the indian guys review I posted earlier. As far as I remember, he said that the engineering samples only have 2GB of RAM yet, but the final devices will be delivered with 3GB as it's written in the spec sheet and told in the official introduction video by the Saygus founders.

So it's nothing to worry about right now. I'll give my best to stay patient and wait for some official updates.

FYI: I won't cancel my pre-order, because I'm sure, the guys at Saygus will make this challenge and I'm looking forward to having a feature rich, robust and great new smartphone. :D
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
We better print screen of V2 specs :)
[Saygus V²] amujee:
I cancelled and got my refund.

They have no track record with consumers and they don't communicate any useful information. I still don't understand their twitter post about Sharp and about a big announcement (they already mentioned MWC on a prior posting).

Also, I don't understand how they will ship in 6-8 weeks when they don't even seem to have a production model ready.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
How long did it take to get a refund from the time you requested it?
[Saygus V²] amujee:
I requested cancellation on Feb 17. Then a second request on March 1. That's when they replied and refunded me.

Oh, and I don't know if it made a difference, but I did state in my second request that I would contact my credit card company for a chargeback if I didn't receive any replies within a week.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Thanks for the info. That is really bad to ignore the first request... I'm going to give them until the end of the month I think. Only because there's nothing else out yet I want. Plus I still really want this phone just don't want to wait forever.
[Saygus V²] MoveAlong77:
Just requested a refund. The more I thought about them charging my CC right off the bat, the more it pissed me off. If they need the money to get off the ground that bad, go to a bank with your business plan and get a loan, or just f'ing do a kickstarter and call it what it is. Also, the more I think about it, how can a "company" that can't even communicate well with customers they've already taken money from be expected to pull off everything they're claiming? I really think this will end up being vaporware. For example, you really think 2 guys from Utah will be able to pull off a good fingerprint sensor scanner? Samsung is a highly integrated multi-billion dollar multi-national corporation and they can't even get it right. So, I'm going to get my money back, buy another phone, and watch this unfold from a distance. If I'm wrong, I'm out the $50 savings, big whoop! I can always buy one later if it ever exists...
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
Does anyone know if V2 have hotspot!?
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
oh man, your points sound soo right but it feels so wrong :p

it could get worse, they go bankrupt and then delays or no refunds at all...
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Saygus blew up twitter today
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Yeah they made excuses for not answering people's email lol.
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
most probably not from the looks of things :p

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just joking, the hotspot feature is a standard thing on Android, its like the SMS text messaging feature. Some mobile carriers disable it, to save money, so they can feed all their kids.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
That it has...

Yup, I'm in the list of not replied too.. I've checked the FAQ a few times, nothing about my question is in there.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Thats all its been is excuses and cover ups.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
At least it's activity lol
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Saygus/status/573656671890751488

That's...just asinine. I'm out.

~ sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Wtf I didn't see that one before. They really have no idea what they are doing. I guess that confirms we're not getting it on 6 to 8 weeks.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
in case you missed this as well. I wonder how many of us are going to start dropping this thing.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Wow that's ridiculous. I'm not even sure what they're trying to say.

Someone should make a game where you list some crazy thing that was tweeted and we guess if it was saygus or one plus lol.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
To put the record straight... I am not representative of Saygus in any ways.....at least not for this forum..

I understand everybody's frustration. However, please keep in mind that they are trying their best to keep up with the communication, manufacturing, lab testing etc due to high demands. Moreover, they want to get the best out of it! The best for consumers like all of us.

If getting a refund or cancellation is your decision, it is fair enough. You could proceed to get your other phones in the market.

But keep your eyes glue to your phone and laptop as the superphone unveil in the coming weeks. I am sure some of you will feel that you could have been abit more patience.

They aim to let the product do the talking and so.... just hold on as they bring you more updates in the coming weeks.

Bear with them as they finish up and show the world the superphone of this year...

It is worth it, period.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Which forum are you a representative of them on? I'm not aware of any discussion anywhere else.

The problem with the coming weeks is that weeks turn to months. And there's still no communication from them other than the tweets mentioned above that provide no information other than saying hey keep waiting. Keep waiting. Oh it's going to be big! Keep waiting! I'm pretty sure I'm on the show punked and any minute Ashton Kutcher is going to jump out. :D
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Be patient people ........be patient ......