yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Another sweet nothing tweet and a torrent of abuse from their "fans", lol

Idiots.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
So "weeks not months" is officially lie now. No single piece of phone is produced yet. Quality assurance testing means that there are serious problems with PCB design and all components not playing together well enough to call this piece of **** a phone. "Final tuning" also points into the same problem. This is not surprising because interference problems were expected due to high density of RF components. There is significant doubt that these problems could be overcame at all. And if yes, December is not so unrealistic as shipping date, since it will be very hard to fix PCB and interference issues, submit and pass FCC, and then produce it before December. IMHO. But honestly speaking I don't think we'll see the phone at all and if we'll see it eventually it will have terrible support - we see it right now.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I agree with your assessment and I think that there are even more issues to consider. Saygus doesn't seem like the kind of company that can think 2 or 3 steps ahead of what they are doing.

I doubt these guys are working the wireless receiver for video streaming in parallel. So once the phones are shipped, the wait on those could be another 3-6 months with delays and broken promises built in to that estimate.

Accessories are the next area of importance for me. I doubt that many 3rd parties will jump on board to build cases, bumpers, full body skins, folios, or things like that for an initial 1800 hand sets. So once again, we have to look to Saygus to either build or engage a company to build accessories like those. If you want a spare wall charger, I just can't see them working on getting those produced till much later. I doubt they are working that effort in parallel either.

Like aspid667 so kindly pointed out, good luck if you have any kind of issue with your phone. If their technical support is anything like their production, we'll be in for a world of hurt. I don't know about you guys but I don't really want Randy Rhodes and Hulk Hogan (or whatever generic name they are using at the time) working on getting my phone fixed. I'm sure that any warranty repair effort will be a debacle that will match every step in this launch process so far.

So maybe they ship the pre-order phones in September. Then they ship the Indiegogo phones in October. But we still won't have the complete package (with wireless streaming and at least a case) until sometime after that. So I think we'll get the "full Saygus experience" sometime in the New Year. For now, the "full Saygus experience" mostly involves broken promises, hype, and being condescended to on Twitter.

I hope they get it together soon. My sphincter can't take much more of this.
[Saygus V²] halo0:
Ahh they JUST added that to the FAQ then. I'm not inclined to believe 6-8 weeks though.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Have pre-ordered one of these. They say they can make 2,000 phones a week and the ship date is 6-8 weeks from now, so end March time is the target.

My order number is between 1,000 and 1,500, so fingers crossed!
[Saygus V²] funkbuqet:
I am definitely interested in this phone, but it has not been certified by Sprint or Verizon yet. AS I am with Sprint I will just have to sit back and watch for now.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
It actually tells you the number of orders when you pre order? I'm still debating. I really really want it, but I'm concerned with actually getting it with 8 weeks...
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
I was just given an order number. I don't know if I should attach any meaning to the number, but I am certainly tempted to see it as indicating where I am in the queue, especially as Saygus say the following in their T&Cs (emphasis added):

"The Saygus V2 Device is expected to be ready to ship on or about March 30, 2015, subject to reasonable delays in manufacturing and/or delivery. Your Saygus V2 Device will be shipped in the order in which your pre-order is received by Saygus. Shipments will be made Monday – Friday, excluding holidays, unless otherwise noted."
[Saygus V²] ADJack:
Are you in the US? And how much is the shipping cost?
[Saygus V²] azumandias:
Did they actually bill your credit card or are they just holding it until the device ships?
[Saygus V²] tianmi:
Same question
[Saygus V²] slowpok22:
Mine shows pending.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Are there any options to cancel your pre order and get money back? Like if it ended up taking forever.
[Saygus V²] slowpok22:
Don't see any mention of it, I've been with the same CC company for years and never late payment, they will work with me if nothing happens by mid April.
[Saygus V²] azumandias:
From their Terms & Conditions:
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Notify in writing? This is going to be like canceling a gym membership lol. Hmm...
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
No, UK. "Shipping options will be provided to you via email when your order is ready to ship." So, I don't know how much the shipping will be..

Here are the full T&Cs

The payment hasn't shown up on my credit card account yet, but there has been no statement from Saygus that they will refrain from billing me until shipment, so I expect they will bill me soon.
[Saygus V²] LoafingNick:
Just searched through Google to find more about this phone. A lot of mystery and questions must be revealed and answered before placing the order.

I found this video by android authority in which that the display Saygus V2 cannot open the camera app by saying "cannot connect to camera". Dunno if it's a bug in prototypes or because only the original kitkat was running, there is no adjustment or modifications to make these fascinating cameras work.

We see no sample photos taking by this phone so far, right?
[Saygus V²] ajftl:
u didnt pay attention to the video its a prototype
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I placed my pre-order yesterday (2015-02-04 19:00 GMT) and my order number is 15xx.

I'm quite excited to see the final version of the V² and I hope there won't be any trouble with import and taxes here in Germany.
[Saygus V²] Epic 4g:
Are developers taking notice of this phone? Will there be development once the phone hits the market? I really would really like to get this phone especially if there is some development for it.

This phone has TOP of the LINE specs, the only thing is that it has the SnapDragon 801 but other than that it's an impressive beast. Definitely a phone to consider until the true 64bit phones come out this fall...
[Saygus V²] gipsyblade:
Not sure how I feel about being referred as a "donor" in their T&C
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Answers to some questions I found in this post:

I just bought the phone two days ago (Order # between 1500-2000).

Looks like they will give me shipping details early March.

They did take the money out of my bank account.

I had to have this phone the moment I heard about it. These are the reasons:

- Rooted out of the box, and boot from SD card. Every new phone I get I root it. This saves me that step.

- Killer battery. When I get a new phone I always buy the best battery available. I don't care if it makes my phone more bulky, battery is more important to me. Since I preregistered, I get a second battery and a screen protector.

- TO me, there is such thing as too big, and having a screen size greater than 5 inches is just mind boggling to me. I have a surface pro 3 tablet with me nearly all the time, so if I need screen size I get my tablet out. I also do not need greater than 1080 resolution. The screen size and quality is perfect for me.

- I'd love to see a phone manufacture from USA get into the game. If this company gets big, it means more money for economy. If I have to risk $500 bucks, then I'm fine with that. I've made more riskier investments.

- Water proof, and has kevlar. I pretty much BABY every device I get and that is stressful. I don't want a drop of rain to ruin my phone for good. This, I can drop it in a bucket of water, leave it there for several minutes, take it out and it will be fine (what they claim).

- Huge storage capabilities, powerful processor, _respectableish_ ram, powerful radios. I can't wait for end of March to come, it's like christmas.

I'm not being paid for this post.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I've had a Motorola Defy for two years, replaced it by the Motorola RAZR HD (which is a really great phone for me) two years ago and thought about buying a Moto X (2nd Gen), but there are to many things that annoy me.

And then surprisingly I stumpled upon the V² when the pre-order registration started and jumped on the train...here we go! :D

I really like the look&feel of the kevlar back on my RAZR HD, so I hope the V2 will have the same touch-appeal (oh LOL...wasn't thinking about S6 when writing this).

It would be really great having a Cyanogenmod, Firefox OS or Ubuntu Phone as alternative OS, but let's get the V² delivered first, before thinking about ROMs. ;)

BTW: I'm quite happy, seeing the rising interest and activity here. Let's hope we'll get our own XDA section soon.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Finally! Mobile World Congress is here! Let's see what is Saygus going to show at their booth...

They are busy preparing for MWC so do pardon them for their delayed and non-reponses to your queries. I know many are frustrated over their pre-sale customer service. I saw many twitter messages over this. Let's just give them a break. Its still early for delivery.

Well, anyone here will be at MWC?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Any link for live streaming?
[Saygus V²] ryan49ryan:
First Video From MWC

Hi Everyone,

I've been watching this forum since it was created shortly after I ordered my V2 and finally found something noteworthy to post!

I found what seems to be the first video from MWC and of a fully functional Saygus V2!

The video is in Italian, but you the phone in the video looks much more polished than the few that were at CES!

youtube.com/watch?v=OAJFf0uEtSU
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Thanks for sharing... it's almost 2AM now. Gonna sleep. Hope to see good news of Saygus when I wake up.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
What do they consider a week to be? In-regards to what they posted on their twitter. I can't post the link.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Sorry guys for frustrating you, but I took a closer look at the video you mentioned. :p

It has been uploaded on youtube recently, but the phone itself shows 2015-01-02 as date in the settings and the article referenced in the description is from early January too.

So unfortunately this doesn't look like beeing filmed on #MWC15 in Barcelona to me, even if the device shown there looks quite clean. :(

But I'm really sure, we will get some more information from Saygus soon! *really excited* :D
[Saygus V²] BiffTirkle:
a 200GB micro sd card!

http://gizmodo.com/sandisk-squeezes...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

price is steep, and by the time it comes down to reasonable i'll have moved on to a different phone or two
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
WOW! Nice, thanks for sharing! :good:

For those who aren't looking around on twitter, I've found some first shots from the Saygus V² caught at #MWC15:

https://twitter.com/jerdogxda/status/572055135049932800
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I'm still waiting on the announcement they're suppose to be making...
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Which is?
[Saygus V²] ryan49ryan:
I do agree with you that there isn't a lot differentiating this video from CES, but I just found a video demoing Yezz's Project Ara modules which definitely were not at CES, and the same guy, wearing the same clothes as in the Saygus video is showing them off.

youtube.com/watch?v=FoyAwiM946I

Can't wait for the official announcement from Saygus which should be today as they said within the week last Sunday!
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Okay, you're right! :)

The other videos on this channel look like those italian guys are at the #MWC15 right now, as they have also uploaded a video of the HTC M9 some hours ago.

I'm really glad having you all guys here on XDA, that makes it a lot easier for me to get the 6-8 weeks passing by! ;)
[Saygus V²] javilindj:
Nice!!
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
What they posted on twitter like 7 days ago which states "Watch for exciting announcements this week..."
[Saygus V²] GeneralMayhem:
I want to thank everybody for updating the post with their replies.

I got in at order 718.

I'm going from a Nexus 5 myself.

The main attractors for me was the size of the battery, 64gb before expansion & pre rooted.

The rest is gravy.

With Samsung announcing the s6 with no sd card or removable battery, Saygus should really push the v2 as an alternative for people who want those options.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I saw a Superuser app on the phoneo while watching one of the new video in Youtube..lol
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
wow... I got order 38XX
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I found one more here.

http://www.mobilegeeks.de/saygus-v2-das-ausstattungs-monster-in-der-finalen-version-im-hands-on/
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
The phone still looks laggy thoug. Someone should review tge firmware and apps side of this phone and show how fluid it is.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I agree on the issue with accessories - it will be next trouble. For example, I personally preffer belt clips, holster like this one [IMG="Holster"]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YwQYZAEFL._SX425_.jpg[/IMG].

I know, that this is not most popular carring option and have no particulars hopes that somebody will produce it for Saygus. Also I like matte screen protector, i.e. Power Support and others. But here is the same problem. At least in case of screen protector I can buy any other and cut it by myself. But still - there could be significant lack of accessories for any taste.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
What in God's good name are you yammering about? Lmao....

I am a person with a light hearted attitude. No need for such deep thoughts and over philosophical posts for some vaporware. I call things the way I see them.

Further more. If you are going to use big words, please use them in the correct context. Your post makes little sense. Conception driven? Umm.......okay???
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Looks like you've got a google translation fight on your hands you Jedi, maybe you've annoyed the Chinese factory boss?
[Saygus V²] :
Hello members!

Let's keep the thread constructive and respectful and watch the bad language.

If people are upset, that's unfortunate..... But let's keep on topic and stick to the site rules.

Thanks,

Darth

Forum Moderator
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Ok guys, Saygus has finally broken my spirit. I'm guessing that if they are half way thru "fine tuning" then they are half way towards starting production starting from the last delay on May 22. So it will take them at least another month before everything gets released to production. So full production starts in August and Preorder shipments start in September some time, if we are lucky. Then the smaller batch of Indiegogo orders go out sometime in October or later. I've already been waiting 4 months. I'm not waiting 2-3 more months.

I requested my refund this morning. A company that bumbles so much and treats customers with such condescension and contempt doesn't deserve my money. I'm no longer willing to bet that the quality of the product doesn't match the ineptitude of the development so far.

I'll update everyone if/when my refund comes in. I wish everyone the best of luck.

LG G4 on order. Delivery tomorrow.
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
Make sure u call on Monday to follow up on your refund or you will be waiting 30 days to get it.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
I think at this point it's clear the game is up. I got my refund in early April, and the money is still sat there in my account waiting for a phone to turn my head like the V2 did. Nothing else has interested me yet.

Sadly, the audience doesn't lie and nobody can be bothered to even post anything on this forum anymore, anger is one thing but at least that is generating some sort of interest.

Now, we are approaching radio silence and that is surely the death knell.

Not sure where the next 5 inch or smaller superphone is coming from, but I'm poised ready to buy the thing!
[Saygus V²] Stijn Maller:
Same here, but the prospects of such a phone being released are looking rather bleak at the moment. You never know, Saygus V2 might even end up being that phone after all.... in 2016... or 2017 :laugh:
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Nokia are making phones again mid 2016. That's the best bet and they is no chance they'll miss their shipping date.

I've asked for a Saygus refund too, regardless of the phone I think support and warranty will be a nightmare too.

I wish them the best as the idea is brilliant, maybe when the company grows they'll get experienced staff for each area and fill in their current weaknesses.

So long and thanks for all the fish.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Very few posts everyday ... What happened to this forum?

Keep the faith guys.. lol
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
We've pretty much said everything haha
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
i think some people (like me) are bored to read negative posts !
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
We are busy munching Saygus popcorn. :silly:

---------- Post added at 12:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:36 PM ----------

So far no negative posts here - only positive and realistic ones :p
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Well, if there was ANY positive news or progress to report, it wouldn't be all negative posts. But no one seems to put that blame where it belongs, with the company that has been bumbling this process from the beginning.
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
1) It's a phone manufacturer, not a communication agency !

2) Other big companies have delays. It's not a Saygus speciality !

3) Saygus proposed

pre

-orders and not orders. everyone know the consequences !
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
All you've said is that this company doesn't have to live up to the commitments, timetables, and obligations that it sets for itself. Not a very good argument.

Oh, and your arguement is made very passionate your excessive use of exclamation points. Unfortunately, it also makes you sound like this guy in your defense of a company that is dysfunctional much in the same way as Britney Spears.

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[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I'm just glad to be the first to post on this 400 th post page ;)
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
When you pre-order, it's an investment. If you invest, it's because you trust and you are agree to take the risk of losing your investment.

If you are not trust and/or you're not agree with the risk, do not invest.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
If I pre-order something from Amazon, I am not an investor in Amazon. I would not benefit in any of the ways one benefits from an investment such as:

Income Generation

Appreciation

Dividends

Returns

Interest

No one orders or pre-orders with the assumption of risk. That is why credit card companies do charge backs. They owe you back exactly what you put in. That is a purchase/refund agreement, not an investment.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
If you ask me a pre order should not have returns. Under the conditions Saygus accepts returns to keep everyone happy ?
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Careful with G4! I had two with touchscreen issues and now back to my G2.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
If it doesn't meet the deadline it most definitely should. The purpose of a preorder is to get in line to get the product ASAP after it ships, and to get it at a reduced price in return for giving your money over early and supporting the company by buying their product. The intention of preorders is simply to buy a product before it's available, but it's a contract nonetheless. People are confusing that with a kickstarter-like purchase, which is NOT the same. If you preorder a video game, you're agreeing to buy it when it comes out on a certain date. If the video game doesn't come out, you will get your money back. Nobody can or should be expected to preorder something like a phone, therefore expecting it on a certain date, then be held to that order when the phone doesn't come out when expected, or in this case, for months after. The company did not hold up their end of the contract, so it is null and void and the consumer can get their money back so they can buy a different phone, instead of going without because their money is tied up. That said, nobody should preorder something like this if they can't afford to buy something else without getting a refund if absolutely need be, but another scenario would be that if somebody needed a new phone by now, even if they could afford to buy one while Saygus still had their money, it should not fall on them to then have to essentially buy two phones because Saygus didn't meet their deadlineS (yes, the 's' is capitalized on purpose). I can't imagine any court that would not side with the consumer if Saygus didn't want to give the money back. They're not doing it to keep everyone happy, they're doing it because otherwise they'd get chargebacks, which would kill them, and they'd get sued, which they would lose.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
How the charge backs would kill them?

Which one is better? ask the bank for charge backs or ask Saygus for a refund? from consumer AND company prospective?

Explain more please!
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Refund to customer = Saygus pay back customer, resulting in customer happy.

Chargeback = Credit card company pays back customer, goes after Saygus for cost + "aggravation money" to pay for their internal costs; results in happy customer, happy credit card company & Saygus left with colossal reputational damage & more out of pocket than they would have been if they had refunded in the first place..

Which one would you prefer if you were Saygus?
[Saygus V²] prasathvishnu:
If you refer cancellation, then it should be allowed for pre-orders

1) within specified timelines say, within 30 days of preorder

2) if you don't meet your committed deadlines.

If you refer Returns, then both Pre-orders and normal orders should be treated equally.
[Saygus V²] nonlose:
Does anyone think they will deliver this month?
[Saygus V²] mbfdias:
No, still think it'll be for Xmas
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
In a chargeback situation, the credit card company simply takes the money back from the vendor (assuming they side with the consumer, of course), as well as typically charging a fee to them, which costs them every time. This is only possible within 60 days of the charge, so it wouldn't work for people that ordered very early on, but would for people like myself that ordered later on. If a company gets enough, the credit card company may sanction the company by not doing business with them anymore, which would make it a lot harder for the company to sell their product, not to mention looking bad. This would be a very extreme situation, though.

Past the 60 days, the card company may still be able to help, especially if they're getting a lot of complaints about a certain company. They have a legal team that can and will go to bat for you under certain circumstances (though that's rarely needed, since the threat of it and penalties are typically going to be enough; and it's really the card company they're defending, who's acting on your behalf, generally in their best interest, of course). I was recently able to obtain a chargeback on a company from a purchase several months old through AMEX (there were extenuating circumstances, but it can be done). Bear in mind, you are always expected to attempt to resolve it first. Don't go straight for a credit card dispute just because that would hurt the company more. ALWAYS ask for a refund first, and ALWAYS document EVERYTHING.

And of course there's always other avenues a consumer can pursue to get resolution, such as filing a report with the BBB, contacting the AG of their state and the state the company is located in, and contacting various other agencies as appropriate.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
According to their twitter in the very-very best case it will be September. But since they almost never telling the truth and since almost everytime it is worst than their promisses around November looks like most probable shipping start.