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[Saygus V²] possibilis:
MTK chipsets. Not suitable for custom OSs. I know it. I have one. And that is why I ordered Saygus. No MTK for me anymore. Until they start publishing source codes.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Yeah, this is the final nail for Saygus methinks, given the furore that this forum has been kicking up for 3 months, to go 24 hours without a single comment is like the beginning of the end - look like Fonzie has jumped the shark and viewers are switching off now.

I feel a bit sad, I've enjoyed the entertainment offered up in this forum, and I feel like I still don't really have any resolution. To be honest it's like I've sat through the Lost boxset, I was pretty sure that it was going to end this way from pretty early on, but given all the time they had and all the effort they wasted I feel like it still should have ended better.

Let's hope this video they're promising actually surfaces - I'm really hoping for a Hearts of Darkness style deconstruction,

"We were in the new manufacturing plant, there were too many of us (apart from Samuel Rhodes who bravely stayed behind to man the Live Chat), we had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little we went insane"... EPIC!!! :D
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
Sadly I agree. Even its biggest "cheerleaders" such as Andreas from Munich, have been pretty quiet the last week or so. Certainly I don't fault him at all for his positive posts and trying to help folks out, but it appears you can put a fork in it and call it done. Unless something occurs this week that sprouts confidence,this is strike 3 for The Saygus group.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Andreas is still around. Currently he is on a 450 kilometer bike (as in the pedal kind) ride with his club. Though, I'm sure, like me, we are waiting to see what eventuates from this video.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
If I were Andreas, I would have left this forum long time ago.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
We all waiting for the video review which i think will clear the mastery and show how is the real V2 is :)
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I was lacking confidence for a bit- but right now I'm confident. Let's give it another week / week and half. I have a good feeling something will happen :D :).
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
coming onto the third week. It looks like all they're doing this week is a "video". So much for their "weeks not months". Just kind of a BS thing to say. I need this phone. None of the phones this year have the specs WITH 4.7"-5.2" form factor. Hopefully the Nexus line delivers (though only rumors so far).
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Many, including myself, have been waiting for some proof that this phone actually exists and that it's not scam or vapourware. Therefore I'm very exited to see if they actually upload this video during the next two weeks. I personally feel quite optimistic at this point, but we should probably not rejoice too early.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
NEW TWEET:::: Filming and making of video stars this week. But we are making a full 2 hour movie so it takes at least a year before showing it in the theatre. NOTE: Piracy is a crime.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I hope Pamela Anderson will take a part and will show us WHAT and HOW could be done with V2. :p
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
I hope she doesn't. Jessica Alba on the other hand...
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
No worry - 3 engineering samples of V2 will be enough for both of them.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Still alive

I'm still there, but I'm not here for any BS talks or conspiracy theories. That's why I'm staying quiet most of the time, unless I've got some substance to share.

Yep. That's the reason, why I've been offline during the last four days. Even if it was really hot here in Germany, it has been a very nice cycling trip! :)

Due to those biking activities, I didn't have any contact to Saygus during this time.

Obviously you aren't me, since I'm still there. :D
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
The reality is that no one has really wanted to discuss the actual phone for weeks. People have bashed or defended saygus, griped about lack of communication and then griped when there was communication. We've demanded pictures and videos only to turn and berate those pictures and videos when they were provided. With every tweet and email they have provided the community has accused them of lying, conspiracy and even theft. People who canceled weeks ago still come on here to gloat and pat themselves on the back while trying to convince others to follow their lead. It's been fascinating.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Me too...

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Got courage and said it rightly.
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
I'm glad that Andreas is getting some R/R as he has been on the front lines of the" launch attempt" though probably not by choice. Chad owes him a debt of gratitude (and a free unit) for being a positive conduit between all parties. I know he has been kind enough to answer I've had. Here's to hearing some tangible, positive Saygus news this week!
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
I just hope Saygus makes enough money off the V2 to be around in the future.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Don't worry.

Plenty of consumer robots being reprogrammed as we speak. Lmao
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
I can tolerate mistakes, but I cannot tolerate malignancy.

I am interested in V2, but definitely not interested in your ugly posts.

Unsubscribe.

PS. Please send me a private message if you decided to either change your attitude or get off. Thanks.
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
Yes, I'm Out

Smitty--Saygus refunded my $549 a couple of weeks ago, and last Thursday I hopped over to Best Buy and pre-ordered an LG g4, which I picked up on Friday. It had two of my most desirable "wants," the removable battery and a first class camera.

I haven't yet used the phone, except to pull the sim card out of my Moto G and make a couple of test calls, but the LG seems to be OK, at least for the moment. I'm awaiting a bumper ordered from China, and a wireless "sticker" that fits into the back cover and enables wireless charging.

I really liked the sound of the Saygus when it was first announced, and I was hoping to have a top grade camera for the summer. As you can doubtless understand and sympathize, at the tender age of 81 I don't really feel compelled to wait

until Chad decides to favor us with decent, informative commentary on the status of the production and test program, or when in the present millennium he intends to have hardware available for delivery.

Enzo
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Huh:silly:

NO!

This thread is [Discussion] SAYGUS V2.

Good bad or indifferent, it can be discussed.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Enzo you are a riot! :laugh:

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I sign. The most intelligence-insulting attitude is constant "hope for Saygus to succeed".
[Saygus V²] 52smitty:
Enzo. When I grow up I want to be just like you ! Voice of reason, well informed and tech savvy. Congratulations on your new LG4!
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
I feel deeply sorry for those who still believe in the dreamy super amazing incredible V2, when their dream turn to be a scam.

You know yourselves very very well... Keep the faith and enjoy it!
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Mr Alex Man are you a Nokia employee? Or not a Nokia employee? Or...ah...damn, I'm confusing myself.

Yours Truly

Mr Courty THE MAN

A Saygus Apologist
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
My refund was finally applied to my account (asked for on May 20, received in my bank account on June 1). I definitely disagree with those that say Saygus is running some kind of a scam, because they at least kept their word in the refund. I just have zero confidence in their competence as a company at this point. But that's all been said before. I'm just sad this phone has been such a disappointment; it truly seems to be the impossible dream.

That being said, I'm very happy with my LG G3 Cat. 6, which I talked about in the Alternatives to the V2 thread. It hits all the features I really need (and exceeds a good number of them); it just doesn't go above and beyond all of them like the promised V2.

Best of luck to the brave few holding on. I truly hope it does work out for you.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Yeh I hate to say it, but for me this video will be the last straw. If it doesn't come to light soon (the video) and as expected then I'll probably pull the pin.

I don't think I've defended Saygus...that much. I've tried defending the people who have stuck in there.

But I think there does come a time when you have to draw the line and for some it was earlier on. For me it all revolves around how and when they release this video.

The more I find out through various channels of information the less I'm becoming confident that Saygus is the sort of company I want to associate my money with. So when and if the time comes that I ask for a refund it wont necessarily be because I don't think the phone is still not coming out. It'll be in protest of the bull**** being fed to everyone and more importantly will have CONTINUED being fed even after being assured it won't happen.

So Saygus....I put you on notice. Deliver this video within the week or so you have said or I will be getting my refund. And I'll take a few people along with me.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Good! You knew yourself, and I do feel sorry for you.

I'm not a Nokia employee. But why specifically ''Nokia''?
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Yeh no one cares bud. But you go right ahead being you...
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
That is the exact reason I requested my refund may moons ago. I do not want to associate myself with a company that has treated its users in such a way.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Sir, no need to bash the giants in favor of the tiny unknown or non-exist Saygus. Last time in Saygus Facebook group, your colleague Alicia bashed Apple and you agreed with her, and now you are taking a seat against the legend Nokia. I clearly understand that Saygus team manipulated you to the degree that you begging to see a video from them, while you totally forgetting that you pre-ordered a precious substance they had to deliver months ago. However sir, let's stop at this stage and don't move further to bash well-known great companies.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
:rolleyes:
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
It's not malignancy. But the truth. It looks like I struck a nerve. Clearly you took it personally.

I refuse to be a damn consumer robot...... making excuses for the rude, untrustworthy practices and flat out lies of Saygus. Or any other company and corporation for that matter. If you want to be a fanboy go ahead.

PM you? Lmao.... Why? Who are you? Chad Sayers, LOL!!!!! Those who know me, know I wanted this device. And if it came out by the end of June or early July and fully functional with reviews, I would buy it. I just refuse to be a company's fanboy.... especially when they lie right on twitter over and over again.

Oh..... and no, I won't PM you :p
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Well said.Enough is enough.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Don't bother buddy.

You are gonna face lots of Saygus Vaporware 2 blind fanboys for no reason. I also don't rule out some of the scam team are among us.

It is so ridiculous that people are still defending this SayBS after all the lying and deception from them, unless they have their own hidden reasons.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
wee WIKI wonka

Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses.It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
Wow! The truth? This is what struck me in the brain. First the conspiracy theorists and then the psychic readers.

Actually not. But you know it better, so call me a liar, if it makes you happy.

You already set yourself the fanboy of the liar-theory.

Saygus says that right before/at the FCC tests they were bummed by the quality issue, you call them a liar.

Saygus uploads a picture, you pixel peep the image that was post-processed not only in the camera/phone, but also by twitter, and call Saygus a liar.

You already put your 25 yrs of expertise on calling them a liar, but you are determined to still raise the pot and declare an "all in". This is what I call being fanboy.

No problem, feel free to revise your attitude in a public post. Peace.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Leave Saygus Alone

There is definitely a lot of good information in this thread that one could use to make a more informed decision to wait for delivery or move on to whatever the best substitute phone is that you can find. Things continue to evolve in ways that might drive ones decision. There have been positive moves like improved communication, some photos of progress, and imminent video releases. There is still the negative like no new release date, informal twitter communication only, and still in FCC approval cycle (oh and missing delivery dates massively).

So I like that we can discuss those issues and have opinions develop based on those interactions. I see the benefit every day where one guy says yep, I've decided I'm sticking it out based on 1, ,2, and 3. And another guys says nope, screw this, I've got my refund and gone with phone X based on 3, 4, and 5.

But like lots of folks have said, there is a strong "fan boy", "apologist", "nut swinger" (whatever you want to call it) thing going on in this thread, where if anyone dares to address any of the negative aspects of this rollout (and there are many negative aspects). Then all sorts of folks that seem to tie their personal sense of self-worth to this launch flood in with a diatribe that mostly consists of "STFU", "don't badmouth Saygus", "if you don't like it leave this forum". This behavior is very similar to the Apple fanboy, where Apple can do no wrong, and everything that Apple does or makes is perfect. And every mistake Apple makes is perfectly acceptable and understandable. Just substitute Saygus for Apple in those sentence that that is a lot of what I find in this thread.

I think that people are perfectly justified in sticking this out and hoping for the best, eventually. I also think that people are perfectly justified for wanting their money back and grabbing whatever high end phone they can find and leaving this debacle behind them. What I don't think is perfectly justified is everyone telling everyone else to STFU for for anything negative they say about this company and the joke of a product roll-out and farce of customer service.

So every time I hear someone crying about Saygus being defamed, this is what it sounds like to me:

Mod edit: Removed video link

So maybe the take away is that if we can all remember that our self-worth isn't tied to the success of this product, then we could have productive discussions on the topics that matter and people won't sound like a Britney stalker when they discuss a phone launch.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
My question though...

If you hate saygus and accuse them of lies/scams, you're totally convinced the the phone is vaporware and you have asked for a refund, you hate "fan boys" or anyone who defends saygus then why are you here? Why come to the forum? Is it just to argue and talk down to people you think you are smarter than because you cancelled? Are you that bored? This isn't about "it's a discussion forum, we have every right", it's about why do care anymore? I am in the position of having a working phone and have the extra money to be patient and not every one was in that position - broken phone, money issues, whatever. I'm not blind as I have a good list of alternatives in doing research on (nubia z9 is really nice looking) and if saygus falters or I'm no longer willing to or can't wait I'll move on to whatever I decide. But if you're just hear spewing negativity and looking for people to force your poor perceptions on, just go buy a parrot and spend your time teaching it to be an as*hole.
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
I don't accept your premise. I never used the word hate, lies, scam, or vaporware but that hasn't stopped you from putting them in my mouth. I never said I requested a refund. I listed quite a few positives and negatives so I wouldn't call that "spewing negativity". Sounds like you should take some of your own advice and chill out.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
It could actually go one of 2 ways - 1st the phone ends up being vaporware or not as great as they make it to be OR 2nd the phone reaches customers and is as great as advertised.

If the first one happens, those who asked for their refund are going to be gloating over how smart they were in not trusting Saygus. If the 2nd one happens, it's going to be the ones that stuck with Saygus that will be gloating. So right now, whatever decision you made, you will try find reasons to justify that decision. Delays, lack of communication, Saygus's spotty past etc are justifications for those who refunded; while improved communication, photos, no phone like it are justifications for those who have still stuck around.

Basically what I'm trying to get at is that until the phone actual does\does not release and is\is not amazing, none of us made the right decision. Feel free to say what you think will or won't happen, but it's kind of pointless telling someone else they're wrong when you still don't know if you're right. It still could go either of 2 ways and like they say, "it's never over till it's over".

So take your refund if you can't wait or don't want to wait or don't believe Saygus will deliver what they promised. Stick around if you can wait or want the amazing phone promised in your hand. Either ways, don't go bashing someone else cos they didn't do what you thought was right. It's their money and their decision.

FYI - I requested for my refund after the first delay.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Hear hear :highfive:
[Saygus V²] BiffTirkle:
Me, I need TB's in a phone. It could be nice to have. But I'll never buy another Samsung or lg phone.

I remember people talking about storage 15 years ago saying "who needs a gigabyte? That's too much. We'll never use all that space"

I hate cloud storage, I want my data when I want it and I don't want to use my network data to access it.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
... that makes it a software issue. Right? So installing a driver or two could make Saygus really use 4 TB... just in theory. I want to stress out the difference between theoretical LG propaganda and Saygus hard fact. If Saygus would be advertising the same way- they would use 4TB possibility as a fact. The same way LG does. There are no 2TB SD cards on the market as far as I know. And yes, the time is coming when 4TB will not be enough.

I have other issues with "cloud storage" (what a devious name- calling it somewhere else- whet your data is physically on someones hard drive- that very name should be illegal along with the unclear privacy procedure). All in all, storage happy device is handy and it will take some time before it uses its full potential. One blue ray movie I was after takes 19GB and it could be broadcasted via 60GHz protocol to a large screen.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Starting to see some screen protectors on Amazon!

http://www.amazon.com/Vikuiti-Priva...TF8&qid=1424820632&sr=8-15&keywords=saygus+v2

http://www.amazon.com/Savvies-Ultra...TF8&qid=1424820632&sr=8-13&keywords=saygus+v2

http://www.amazon.com/Vikuiti-DQCM3...TF8&qid=1424820668&sr=8-21&keywords=saygus+v2
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
I don't think those items on Amazon are for the V2 they are just random accessories posted with the V2 name in the listing.

I would wait to see what Saygus actually puts up on their site as accessories goes. So my guess is at MWC the V2 will be over shadowed by some big names but hopefully they will have a fully working V2 for all to see, and finally get the recognition that they deserve, and be presenting more details on the sharp camera along with other details then It shouldn't be long before then that we get shipping info from them either, at least I would think.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Well I mean the ones that aren't screen protectors are all general but the screen protectors match the shape of the display and have the proper cut outs.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Any idea which brand of high speed Micro Sd card is most reliable? Any recommendation?
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
From my experience with DSLRS (full size sd) Lexar and sandisk haven't let me down yet.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
How would you use a full size sd card in this phone?

All I know is that it is a minefield out there, with ridiculous speed claims that bear little or no relation to reality.

Firstly, we need to know what standards are supported in this phone. Does it support UHS-II, which would require extra physical pins in the phone?

If not, then it won't take advantage of the full potential of the fastest microsdxc cards. (They will still operate, but at slower speeds). See http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1322384 .

Honestly, I doubt the support will be there because, although the standard has been around for a while, it seems to be still very niche and available on just a few high-end cameras and a few card readers.

This brings up the issue that booting from sd may be more of a gimmick than anything else, because random I/O is likely to suck by comparison with the built-in Emmc 5.0 controller.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I was more or less going off there in terms of reliability. The few microsd's that i do have are sandisk which have been reliable as well.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
Lexar 633x which are blue have some of the fastest read and write speeds. You need to be careful with Sandisk as they all look the same. Look up the bench marks on Amazon reviews to compare.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
On the spec sheet the Lexar may be better than the SanDisk cards, but...

If I take a look at the reviews on our german Amazon here, I get the following values:

Lexar Professional 128GB High-Performance Class 10 UHS-I 600x 95MB/s Micro SDXC

Read: ~65 MB/s

Write: ~20 MB/s

SanDisk SDSDQXN-064G-FFPA Extreme Class 3 Micro SDXC 64GB (UHS-I, 60Mbps)

Read: ~60 MB/s

Write: ~40 MB/s

So I would really prefer the SanDisk Extreme, even if it has only half the size of the Lexar, because of it's better write performance.

Or do you mean another version of the Lexar 633x?
[Saygus V²] post_break:
You're comparing the 128 to the 64. The 64 cards tend to be faster. Also you quoted the 600x not the 633x.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Oh damn, your right! Amazon fooled me, because the image there shows definitely the black/blue 633x and obviously I haven't seen the 600x in the title. Sorry!

Do you think there will be faster microSD cards than the 128GB 633x Lexar until April?
[Saygus V²] post_break:
I don't think it will matterm. I honestly don't think the phone will utilize the added speed. If my gopro can shoot 4k video at high bit rate with that card then this phone shouldn't tax it much.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Well a few minor website changes but no announcements yet...
[Saygus V²] BiffTirkle:
And this is why I'm not stalking the site and twitter like I'm tempted to. You guys update better than they do!
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Anyone else a bit nervous about how little media coverage there is of this phone? Could just be anxiety on my part.
[Saygus V²] Oupss:
Hi guys,

Is it me or now, it's micro-USB 2.0/3.0?