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[Saygus V²] AdamColligan:
For anyone with any popcorn left uneaten, Saygus' website appears to be down at the moment. Although the WHOIS information has not changed since January, there is now an invalid security certificate installed, which is actually valid for foundationmentoring.com . That site just shows a Zoho web-building service page, but the domain is registered to Alex Carvalho, who is a "systems integration specialist" at Saygus.

If you accept the certificate, you just get a "Forbidden" root directory error page. Looking at the main Saygus WHOIS, though, there are two name servers for it, ns1.saygus.net and ns2.saygus.net. Saygus.net just redirects to Saygus.com. ns2.saygus.net doesn't do anything.

ns1.saygus.net does, however, have an active public-facing web page: the apache2 Ubuntu default page!

Judging by posts on IndieGoGo, the site has been buggered since edit: not actually sure. I assume it's just an epic coffee spill, but like, wow.

Edit: Foundation Mentoring is some partially-set-up entity run by a Rebecca Carvalho (presumably Alex Carvalho's wife or sister or something -- they both have a strong religious focus and the same last name). Pure speculation: say Alex was sitting at a computer with some SSH terminals open, one of which is setting up a server for Rebecca's Foundation Mentoring project: installing Ubuntu and uploading her SSL cert. Could he have accidentally switched over to a terminal connected to the Saygus server, unwittingly replacing everything on it with a default-configured Ubuntu LAMP and Rebecca's cert?

Edit 2: Looks like it's back up.
[Saygus V²] courtneyomg:
It's like one disaster after the other with them! Part of me wants to feel bad for them, but they basically did this to themselves misleading people and promising something that can't be delivered...at least not with a lot of bugs in it. I can't imagine how many defects the phone will have when/if it ships someday...
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
You know what's funny (or disappointing?) is that the Saygus phone spec sheet is still in high competition with this year's flagship releases. But that's all on paper. I truly don't think this phone will ever be released, but if it does I just think it's going to be rife with problems and support issues, which should be the real concern at this point for anyone holding on still. It just doesn't seem like they can actually get the phone to work. That becomes a pricy paperweight then.
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
If they nail half of what they set out to do, I consider that money well spent. I hope that's not the case though, but being realistic at this point given that other start ups like OnePlus had its own share of problems at first. Of course, the difference being that $350 is a lot less impactful(about 52% less) than $600 when deciding how to throw money away. Still, this is a hobby worth sustaining IMO.
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
OMG! Do you really think they are going to ship before the end of Oct as stated in the most recent tweet?
[Saygus V²] sojizy:
As long as they have built enough to send out to the existing pre-orders and can go through fcc relatively quickly then why not
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
Because They've missed their date twice already, haven't made a big deal about actually shipping the only thing they make, and haven't showed a finished product yet. Other than that, why not!?
[Saygus V²] sojizy:
Then why ask if so cynical? I was simply stating what criteria they would have to meet. I've also been waiting since the 3rd of Feb
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
I ask because perhaps someone has information that others don't. It seems that there's always bits and pieces of info that need to be put together. As for being cynical, I wasn't until around June, maybe July. :)
[Saygus V²] courtneyomg:
I got my refund Oct 6th, so it took 26 days for the chargeback dispute to be investigated and resolved. Good luck to anyone else doing a chargeback.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
any information about shipping Date?

Samuel

Hi there!

We are expected to ship by late October or sooner.

12:34 pm

Client

R u going to send us an email regard the cost of shipping?

Samuel

Yes. We will keep you posted once shipping date is finalized.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
I would hope that after all this time shipping would be free as a goodwill gesture.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
First let's hope that shipping simply will be...
[Saygus V²] csekebenji:
Hi! I have requested a refund...
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
What happened to the free headphones offered due to missing the may shipping date?
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
They are still free, you can see them in a wild. Saygus trying to catch them but still no luck.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
I think the bigger question, is what has happened to the phone?
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
They still looking for it, but no traces so far.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Did anyone check the debate about the new Saygus website in the Saygus fan Facebook group?.

One of the guys there found a new website. Some of the members had a chat with a representative called John (the operator of the new chat session)

He confirmed the shipping date is by the end of the year.

It seems that some critical information have been leaked from that website.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Why not cut and paste the "critical information" here for those of us who don't care to have to join facebook then the group to get at your tantilising piece of information?

???
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
According to the recently discovered site and the vanished chat operator there.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Could you also tell us What was the "critical information" leaked from the website? Was it just the chat operator information because we already know they know nothing as they are an outsourced company.

thanks

Though I am not at all surprised the circus is continuing.
[Saygus V²] jlrogers:
Found on Twitter.

*I'm sorry to disappoint you, but right now I don't expect them to start shipping orders within the next two weeks.

6:47am*- 18 Oct 15

From Andreas Erhard*

[MENTION=5122214]andreas5232[/MENTION]

Can't get screenshot to upload
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
You can find my tweet/reply here: https://twitter.com/andreas5232/status/655696778877083648

Some more information (which can be found on my website since yesterday):
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Sorry Limpopo sir.. I am not the one who post this on Twitter..my apologies...

---------- Post added at 08:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:28 PM ----------

Yes I totally agreed with you.. I was actually looking out for Samsung and HTC new product. But both is not what I would like to have.

I do not need to consider other "unique" features in their new phones as these 3 things kills it all...

1. Non-removable Battery.

2. No SD card slot.

3. Non water resistance.

What do you guys think of Samsung latest offering?

No fight against Saygus V2 in my opinion. Only thing that Samsung able to fight their way is their powerful chipset and sleek design... Nothing more..
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Forgive me, I was of course blaming Saygus, not you!

Lack of ARMv8 is definitely a big issue for me, and may ultimately prevent me from following through with my order. But Saygus are fortunate that Samsung has abandoned a number of their customers over the battery and microSD slot.

It's now left to LG to see whether they can get things right this year - the power and brightness/contrast performance of their display will decide this, but unless they can implement an AMOLED display of close to Samsung quality, ... yeah right - so I am very sceptical that they can pull it off.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Limpopo.. Don't blame Saygus.. Its someone else who post it up, not Saygus.. Pls forgive me for the misunderstanding..

Actually, 64 bits processor is still a very young technology in the mobile industry. It will take a few years to have a full scale of Android phones, Android apps etc that is design for 64 bits. Don't forget with 64 bits, we are able to see 4 to 5 GB of Ram. But downside is battery consumption.. So it got its pros and cons.

To me its a marketing strategy whenever company emphasised on 64 bits chipset.. At least for now.. As I don't see a realistic need for 64 bits now..
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Hands-on at GSMArena.

---------- Post added at 01:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:40 PM ----------

The thing is, ARMv8-A is more than just 64-bit - it has new instructions for encryption acceleration for example. More than that, though, it seems likely that software support for 32-bit systems will gradually erode over time, whereas all existing software can run on ARMv8 systems. This makes it more difficult to justify paying flagship prices to buy into a legacy system.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
Saygus V2 in action at MWC: http://youtu.be/PsePLHgQZ-Y

Some English finally. I would like to see a better hands on video In English
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Thanks for sharing.

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/2015/03/02/mwc-hands-on-with-the-saygus-v2/

This is the link from youtube you shared.
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
64-bit is the future but...

I agree with you that there is a lot more to 64-bit than being the next generation of phones but there are over one billion active Android phones in the world today and we are just getting into the infancy of 64-bit. So, like jameswxt mentioned, it will take a few years before 64-bit will be the mainstay, hence the term next generation... This doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to the growth that 64-bit (i.e. Architecture) will bring, it just will be a personal preference... (i.e. Mature established vs.new evolving)
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Has anyone from India preordered this phone with actual intention of buying?
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
V2 Camera?

Still not much out there yet on the cameras function & features? Be nice if they posted up some imagery from the cameras, or at least got into the camera app. A little disappointing at this point to see nothing on the camera. I'm sure with the resolution and MP's they have built in, it will be okay, but to see some of the usability features of the camera app would be nice.

They manage to integrate Google into this yet on a stock build (not that it can't be sideloaded), but sure would be encouraging to know the pre-sale units will come equipped ready to use?
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Seems like all the hands on videos and blogs just spit out the specs and show the looks of the phone. No one tests anything except the wireless streaming thing they are pushing :(
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
Is it just me or is WirelessHD one of the least interesting things about this phone?

It's an implementation of a standard after all. It either is or isn't there. It either works or doesn't work. I don't see the point of demoing it so much...
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Yeah. Honestly out of everything on the phone this interested me the least. If I really need to do that with minimal lag I would use mhl that the phone has. Otherwise I would just cast everything.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Most of us will have moved on to a new device before 64 bit is mainstream and fully established I think.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Technically, I am sure 32-bit devices will continue to operate, but will they be fully supported?

e.g What if Google announces that as from version Android 5.x certain features or APIs are 64-bit only? What if some must-have apps begin to rely on these exclusive features, and no longer are updated in the 32-bit version? This issue happens today, where apps require APIs from a recent Android release, but will the problem be greater during this 64-bit transition?

Yes, if you have a device that has community interest, support of some kind will still be there. However, when you mention an installed base of one billion 32-bit devices, how many of those will ever realistically make it even on to Lolliop, let alone any subsequent release, and how many were purchased at close to flagship prices in Q1/Q2 2015, where expectations are higher?

Not trying to scaremonger, and I obviously don't know the answers to these questions, but they are definitely on my mind when I consider whether to follow through on this device order.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I'm really considering canceling my pre order, The only thing they seem to want to demo is Wireless HD... They demoed it back on Feb 2nd-3rd... How about some new stuff now? Its been over a month... :confused:
[Saygus V²] funkbuqet:
Galaxy S3. This upgrade has been a long time coming!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I think it's just the most visually impressive feature. You can't really show the dual sd cards or the fractal Antenna at work.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I believe they could be showing more things such as the camera, in one of the videos I seen a benchmark app... Never once did they run that for us...
[Saygus V²] Oupss:
Apparently, cameras don't work yet, that's why nobody tested it at MWC yet. And the software, Saygus says , need some adjustments and will be ready in approximatly two month... So it seems V² won't be shipped before half april at best.

I hope they will explain and detail more some of their own techs, as battery life improvement or the efficiency of Hardman Kardon speakers and noise suppression.
[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
This is the supplier of their microphones and they have some sound samples down the page:

cyphercorp.com

Here's hoping it works as well as the samples show.
[Saygus V²] jlrogers:
You are quoted, tried several times to post a screen shot but would not post so I went back and added prior to you asking.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Yeah, no problem! I must have been too fast with my reply. Thanks for quoting! :)

We may see some of the first final devices within the next two weeks, but I don't expect the first orders to be shipped by then.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
http://www.androidauthority.com/saygus-delays-what-is-going-on-650149/

dang, so finally some questions fron mainstream press.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Interesting that you say this

as it was posted by Joshua Werner on the Saygus V2 G+ thread, that shipping will be starting on Oct 31st. LOL though they did not specify whether that was 2015 or not:good:;)
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Hello Saygus Friends!

We are grateful for your continued support! We apologize for the lack of updates. We have been busy building our amazing smartphone. No one has attempted to construct a phone of this caliber; it is a challenging undertaking. But in the end, the phone will speak for itself.

We did have some challenges due to procuring and then integrating and tuning some of the high-end components, especially the cameras. However, we have completed these phases and phones are currently being manufactured. We anticipate completing the FCC and CE certification processes soon and upon their respective approvals, we will begin shipping immediately to all supporters around the world.

We again thank you for your support!

- The Saygus Team
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Did everyone that still has a pre order get that email? I'm still holding on to the initial pre order and haven't received any email from Saygus in quite a while.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I guess there are not enough pre-order folks left to even bother sending info.
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
I'm in the first 1200 and I didn't get that email.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
I didn't get it. That message is still very vague. "Soon" in Saygus speak could be anything up to a year. #saygusminute
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I didn't get that email either. As far as I guess, it's just been an update/info for the indiegogo campaign and thus haven't been sent out to the direct Saygus pre order folks.

You can access this message also via their indiegogo campaign website, if you want to.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
Thats is the fifth update from indiegogo and NOT am email sorry for that ;)

Am still as u waiting for saygus shipping email which i believe will be next week i hope :)
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Looks like another empty promise from famous Empty Promises manufacturer.
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Sent as a direct message on twitter:

You know, we are just working to get our phone on the market. No one has EVER even attempted as mobile device like this for the consumer. And, we don't really sit around and wonder about what people think of us. Its not arrogance, we are just slammed every minute of every day for the most part! We do wish that people would be more supportive and cut us some slack, but that's probably not realistic for those who pre-paid for it and still don't have it in their hands. We do think ti will $100 to $300 more expensive from the carriers in some parts of the world AND it won't come with the "extras" we are offering. But it is understandable that people need a new phone when they need it!

Nothing new a all but it would indicate to me that they are preparing to release the information that the phones won't be coming out any time soon.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I highly doubt a single carrier in the U.S. is going to offer the Saygus phone after what's happened up to now. I just can't see a legitimate carrier giving Saygus the time of day with a retail presence.

"Cut us some slack"....."slammed every minute of every day"......"we do think"......it's a true shame they treat the consumer like dirt. These things aren't even being made in the states, how could they be slammed all the time? Doing what?
[Saygus V²] janitorjohnson:
I strongly believe that for those that have stuck with it since the initial preordering period should now get even more extras. And rather than throwing out terms like cut us some slack, maybe we should get some slack with extra perks for shelling out hard earned money 8 months ago.
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
Here we go in the back end of October.....

Last week......

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[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Yeah here we go again. May 22 was a Friday they'd promised us shipping info and updates all week. I hope you all see the parallel here. I really want this phone, but I doubt it's going to ship next week.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
In this case it is even worse - October 31 is Saturday. Starting to ship on Saturday seems to be very bad joke. Or it is another regular Saygus lie.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
In the US most all major carriers are open on Saturday. While I agree it won't ship then, theoretically it could.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
By "bad joke" I mean that even it will be shipped on this day most probably it won't leave carrier facility till next Monday. So it is really bad joke.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
IF/when it ships, it'll probably ship direct from China to our door. Question: does mail service run on the weekend in China?
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
but i remember that they have told us the final assembly would be in utah? That will mean for me they will ship also from utah:confused:

Regarding the mail service, i believe they are closed on weekend but maybe it depends on the different carriers (FedEx, ChinaMail...)
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This is Chinese phone and all assembly will be done in China (at least according to SayGus).
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Did anyone believe, that they will send this month?

My last email from Saygus was:

As of yet we do not have an official shipping DAY. We do expect to begin shipping in late October! Possibly sooner.

Late October is now, sooner is already in the past. Maybe they have the hope, that the October had 62 Days.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Exactly! This is Saygus Dream October V2 and it has 64 Days + 2 additional slots for 200 Days each.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Such an awesome and creative post. Funny!
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
For ****s and giggles I was going to ask 24/7 Chat if October 31st still looks like the shipping day, but it looks like 24/7 Chat no longer exists.

Can anyone else see it on the support page?
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Samuel is there but...
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Could any body tell me how could this be possible ?

From the writing way or style, I am sure that this chat session is run by the same person. But this man is 24/7 available.

Does he sleep?

Take a shower?

Eat?

This is the only impressive thing I saw from Saygus so far!
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Someone just has to speak in code to try to get answers. Hell0 h0w @re y0u.a bot may not read that and a human will.
[Saygus V²] sojizy:
His response is what cracks me up..

"I see.." like you don't know what your company is putting out there in terms of communication. They only tweet once in a blue moon so you should be able to keep up
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
He's a pretty blunt bot.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
The reality is: the two 200GB SD Card Slots means just, we have a delay from now 2 times of 200 days. And the 64 Days of internal storage ;)

I didnt have a tweet account. I thought about it. If I would have, i just would spam all day long with when the date, why not answer, why and why and why.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Samuel's identity was created on this site askbot.org
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
No spam from Saygus. ;) Pretty much nothing at all.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
This is a joke, right? You new here? Hopefully ya'll realize the chat feature is not a Saygus operation, it's just another outsourced "customer service" function in Malaysia or Thailand or Philippines. If there actually are people behind the computer, they're not Saygus employees, it certainly isn't some white guy in a shirt-and-tie and they certainly aren't going to know more about this "situation" than an email direct from Saygus. Chatting with it, asking about a shipping date is pretty comical at this point. It's not his company, he knows nothing more than a few sentences of irrelevant content.
[Saygus V²] sojizy:
Trust im not new to Saygus or XDA. I just think its funny how blatant they are about being oblivious.

Friday is really D-Day for them. At least for me it is.
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Im not expecting them to divulge any interesting information unless it is the FCC filing. Otherwise it will be things we already know about such as the packaging and the phone itself.
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
Countdown to d-day? (ie tomorrow)

I'm over this phone already, but I am still interested to see if it ships.

Off topic note. One Plus One's One X? 5inch 1080p 801 $250?
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
according to saygus the v2 was the most difficult smartphone ever to manufacture and except for a few very small details they have successfully managed to overcome all problems and now await some certifications before it can be shipped. taking all that into account i wonder what the next issue to cause a delay will be. right about now they need a whipping boy, kinda like verizon was during the v1 show. maybe the fcc will find an issue that will cause at least 90 days delay. i wonder if saygus actually has a device to place in fcc certification process as well as phone carrier certifications and googles to boot. thing is when it comes to all outside entities saygus has to tread lightly because they now are up against being called out for dishonesty by anyone saygus claims is the holdup if in fact it is not the case. wiggle room for lies is getting tighter. perhaps someone becomes seriously ill (wink, wink) due to the stress of creating the greatest smartphone and shipment will be delayed out of respect. anyway! almost time for the next plot turn to take place. ya think Saygus is gonna be in vegas for 2016 CES?
[Saygus V²] vittogn:
I would wait for CES and present there a V2 with SD820 or Helio X20 +4GB of RAM.

600+$ for a SD801 is, for me, a plan to fail.

It's still a great silicon, but it can sell well in the ZUK or OPX price range. Definitely not at double the price.

Just my 0.02!

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[Saygus V²] vittogn:
October is over.......

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[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
...and not the slightest information from saygus.

But let us give them one or two days to give us the information that they have another delay because of some new problems.

oh my god is this exciting:D (by the way i am still in the game)
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I'm sure that many of us waiting with great excitement for new true innovations of Saygus - another promises and lies.