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[Saygus V²] possibilis:
That is awesome. Not a single "when" question is going to help here because nobody is Nostradamus: XDA members or Saygus team. Nobody can know "when" answer about anything for sure, we can approximate something and then get frustrated if it goes wrong, even if it is a good reason. I think we need to know: which hardware components are done deal (decided and bought for the first batch), if there are some components that they are waiting for (Sony or Sharp camera sensors), what is the state of software (is Lollipop ready and what is missing for it to be ready, does the software support double SD, and what exactly is missing if it doesn't support 2XSD). They will probably be ready to talk a bit if you let them speak. If you press the question "when"- that is not an engineers language and I am quite sure that their answer won't be satisfying for anyone. Questions should all be about their process- both engineering and merchandise.

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About the camera and USB... don't just ask "which one", ask "why". And then ask specifics. Camera: integration with Android 4.4 and 5, drivers available, Sharp and Sony terms, prices and shipping dates etc. USB: data flow speed of 2.0 then 3.0, charging rates of both, drivers and costs of integration for comparison... stuff like that. This is what they do and know. We are here speculating and "whining". We want to know "when" like typical idler because we don't know anything about the process itself. We can munch out much more data about the process then about "the product". My 2 cents...
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I'd like to know why they didn't put up any capital to get production units for trade shows. Is their spec list more of a fantasy phone than a reality, since no one has ever seen a final product?
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
"shipping info update expected before the weekend is up in US." Well today is sunday and if by the end of the day they dont sent us an email, saygus is giving us the cold feet again....!! :(
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
It would be nice to have a fact thread about this phone that contains info and updates, without the incessant attacks, complaints, and shilling.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
We (XDA) can not do much, without knowing the specifics ourselves. Once the device is released, a dedicated section will be created. Until then, this will remain the sole thread.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
We have every right to complain.
[Saygus V²] Lightroom:
[MENTION=1657505]Renjith[/MENTION]rcI84 if you try second link you can get new same link as you show.. ☺
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
You do have the right to complain. You also have the right to get an invisible tattoo on your face, bathe in muddy water and wear sunglasses to sleep. All 4 are your right and all 4 are useless.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
None of you may noticed it so far, but I'm having a collection of the actual news state and known information at my website.

I hope, you will find this helpful! :)

See: http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2

Together with Saygus, WE will make this phone awesome. So please try to be as constructive with your critics as possible. :good:

Looking forward to my visit at CeBIT tomorrow and hoping, that this will bring us as the community one step further.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Andreas, I've read that that nano-coating is provided by HzO which is also a Utah-based company. If you want to include that in your facts.

http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/r...g-its-muscles-amongst-the-heavyweights-667497

http://www.hzo.com/
[Saygus V²] kboya:
Good to see some helpful posts. I'm patiently waiting with order number 699. Looking forward to some news soon, but I'm not stressing about it. Always great to know those people attending events are being constructive. Too many destructive posts are debilitating for all (but I understand frustration that builds from excitement and insecurity).

Good luck to all. I'm thinking it'll be OK. We all have returns should it be otherwise.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
Does anyone have any emulators ready for this phone? I've got a PS3 controller and cable for my S4 and use the dreamcast emulator that works great. What else is out there?
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
I think I know where the USB 3.0/2.0 issue arose from, the Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 processor supports both USB 3.0/2.0. Unfortunately if the phone connector is standard MicroUSB then only USB 2.0 will be supported.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
Nice collection of info! :)

One addition I have:

Armored Online is a built-in technology to provide safe handling of sensitive data (like internet banking) even on a rooted phone. The provider and the description of the technology: http://www.armoredonline.com/

Not yet confirmed, but this is a Utah-based company with the same product name as mentioned at Twitter.

What to ask from the guys?

- The most important thing for us, Europeans, is the question of VAT+customs. Would be nice to have a EU-based entity to avoid the extra costs. I'd be happy to buy accessories (WiHD dongle?) on the money saved.

- Would be interested in the camera sensor. Even the resolution data from the image property window would suggest the exact sensor. ;)

- It would be nice to check the fractal antenna in action, but I'm afraid there won't be any GSM signal monitoring tool installed on the showroom V2, that you could compare to your own phone for example.

- I would also be interested in the GPS sensitivity. :)

Have a nice time there! :)
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I know you said you didn't want to to another video review, but if they have any new hardware working that wasn't working since ces/mwc I would love to watch it :)... Ie camera, finger sensor, sd cards, water proof, speakers.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
That would be humanly impossible.... lol!!!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm already dreading the posts that will come if saygus doesn't live up to the "by the end of the weekend" statement.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
^^time is almost up?

Is be curious to know a little more about the IR blaster. That component seems to have flown under the radar and no body has mentioned anything about it?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
If it is not flying under the radar, we should call it "Stealth Phone" instead of Super phone :D
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
It's 8:30 PM where I live, so 6:30 PM in Utah I believe.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I don't know that I'm dreading those posts, feel free to scroll past them... I am dreading the fact that it looks like Saygus won't follow through with their drunken tweet promises AGAIN. :'( They should know better than to jerk us around like that. So we have to deal with the whole anxiety about whether we should give them another chance, or until the end of the month, or whatever.

I'm not going to elaborate on why everything about this is so wrong... I mean, it should be obvious. Seriously, why do they keep lying? To people who paid them money and clearly want them to succeed? There's no excuse. It's just plain wrong.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
Looks like it's time for the popcorn.

I personally figure that we'll get info next weekend.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
You'd think it would be better not to give exact times/dates than to give exact times/dates and not follow through. I actually thought that was their thinking, if you don't commit to anything you can't be called a liar. Apparently I'm wrong but they do have a few hours US Mountain Time to make good.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
... Yea.. Looks like its getting very frustrating for some of you..

I saw from this forum that they are going for some IT tech show in Germany? Whats that show about?

Maybe just like how they tweet for the Mobile World Congress, they will tweet that they are busy with the upcoming tech show and thus delay the responses?

Oh well....

Like alot of you have mentioned, let's just wait till end March :)
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm not stressing, my phone works fine. I'm just observing and sharing my curiosities.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I sure hope you're right, and I should add that of course I'm giving them until 7 days past their promise of "within the week", but I hope you can understand how some (probably most?) of us feel about this.

I don't want to argue with you or be impolite, but I'm just saying I don't think it's unjustified that many people, myself included, are getting tired of being lied to. Sorry if that bothers you. I'm just asking that you please try to understand how some of us are feeling.

But to end on a positive note, here's a site that has listed a lot of the details about the V2 (sorry if it has already been posted). http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
I understand what many others are feeling. I myself aren't happy about all the missed deadlines and them not keeping their word. I'm fine just sitting back waiting as my nexus 5 is fine.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
In other news... What tablet do you guys currently use?
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I see; sorry, I misunderstood your previous post.

My Galaxy S3 is clearly not happy with my many repairs to it... I don't think it will last much longer, so this is really getting down to the wire for me! :S But it'll be worth the wait if the V2 ever actually is produced. I wish I could be confident that it will actually happen.
[Saygus V²] renjithrc84:
This site belongs to one of our friend here,
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Judging by their past, I don't expect them to be on time on announcing shipment information. But, they got t minus 1 hour 13 minutes left to prove me wrong.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I've got a nexus 7 2012 that is so slow it can't get out of its own way! Guess they have memory problems, too bad, was nice while it worked. Also use a dell venue pro 8 windows tablet. It has the windows 10 preview on it but I haven't messed with it a whole lot, have an lg g3 and g2 for toying around. Just flashed rooted lollipop on my g3 and using g2 with cloudyg3 rom as my daily driver for now. I like the size of the g2 which is part of the reason I'm into the v2.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Surface Pro 3 i7
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Hi James,

I'm right now on my way to "that German IT show" xD

Just for your information, the CeBIT is one of the major IT shows in Europe. So it's quite huge and unique in Germany. ;)

But it's mainly a computing show and more focused on general it business content, but AFAIK Samsung will also be presenting their new XCover 3 there, but we'll see.

I'll give my best, to get some answers to our questions... So hold me your thumbs. :)

Greetings from Germany and wish you all a good start into the new week!
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Go Andrew! I am 100% sure that you will bring us bunch of new informations. Fingers crossed and enjoy the show.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
:good::good: waiting for ur good news :)
[Saygus V²] becks0r:
actually the CeBIT is the largest computer-related trade show of the world, in numbers like 2times of the CES few years ago ;)

but the focus is now on companies not on consumers so it gets back to CES numbers
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
I second you.

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Exactly what I meant!
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Stay tuned guys... Have some new information in my "backpack".

Will try to update you during the next two days... Maybe I've got some time by the night or tomorrow in the evening to write down everything.

I've also some news about the strugglings and the problems with some components they used in the prototypes.

Main delay is due to the Chinese new year celebrations in February.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
More specifically to Andreas who probably will be at the Ce Bit show now.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Thanks Andreas for the updates. How I wish Saygus could hire you. You seem like a very informative person and always with info to update us. We are glad to have you in this forum.

You are not only a very enthusiastic person towards this awesome superphone but positive towards Saygus and its shortcoming.

Do keep up with the updates. As I have said, we all shall stay on track and give Saygus its deserved encouragement.

I am sure Saygus will overcome the difficulties they are facing :)
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Exactly the type of info that we need to stay supporting Saygus. Andreas, can't thank you enough, and can't wait to hear specifics.
[Saygus V²] MoveAlong77:
Just an update. They initiated my refund on Friday, March 13th and it posted to my credit card today, March 16th. So, I'm officially out of this mess and will watch from the sidelines, popcorn bucket in my lap...
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
Not sure if it is already known but i did a little digging, and found out that the company Hzo that will provide the water proof nano tech, is own by Zagg so im assuming that the customize screen protector will be also be provided by Zagg. For those who got the discounted price.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
This! And that was a Friday -> Monday turn around, where refunds wouldn't be processed on a weekend. Whoever posted 5-10 day refund time on twitter had no idea what they're talking about.

I'll be there with you unless something magical happens by 3/31. I've been patient enough to now, I think Saygus has personally shown me enough as to what long-term support I can expect as a customer. Pretty bummed, had high hopes for it.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
So once again Saygus says there is a shipping update, first by the end of the week, then by the end of the weekend, and they don't release ****.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
The pattern seems to be repetitive with Saygus. Wonder how many more disappointments we'll run into while we sit and patiently wait? I'm going to hang in there until mid-April with my pre-order. It is encouraging to know that at least one forum member here did receive their refund, upon request. It is encouraging to know, in case any pre-order purchases want to jump ship.

We'll have to see what other filibusterers come Saygus' way in the upcoming weeks. I'm sure they'll run into more stone walls, trip-wires and busts as the push towards shipping draws near? Just wish they'd update their customers with a little better information. Not a big thing to ask for? :rolleyes:
[Saygus V²] post_break:
I'm about to just cancel and get my refund, they aren't "late" but they don't know how to do PR. They don't need to sit on my money and BS more and more people on twitter.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
^^oh, have they updated Twitter lately? Seems to me like they take the weekends off.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
https://twitter.com/Saygus/with_replies

latest update in twitter
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
I do certainly hope the two new photos on Twitter were at least taken with the V2? :confused:
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Apparently an update is coming today: https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/577492089975513090

Not sure yet if that's on Saygus time or a real date.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Hope to see update in a few hours
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
All this says is, they promise to update a possible delivery time :eek:
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I think it's only worth it for people in USA international buyers will be paying various taxes
[Saygus V²] zakiwashi:
I believe folks in the US will still have to pay their particular state taxes for this device, which i doubt will be as high as our (UK) tax at 20%, but for me it really is about the storage. I wont pay a huge tariff and rely on a sketchy mobile data signal to stream my music and store my photos and such. Call me old school but i want all my stuff on my device, and no other handset has come close. All of the other features are just a bonus. It doesn't take long to fill 64gb when you are recording 1080 at 60fps.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
What about LG flex 2.it has terabytes. Also what is the procedure of return if the device is faulty do we have to pay tax again for a replacement device. And what if we return the device because we don't like it do we get the tax money back.
[Saygus V²] zakiwashi:
Terabytes?! Specs say 16gb with sd slot expandable to 128gb. If the device is faulty, it is covered by distance selling rules. They must pay for return costs and repair or replace and there will be no tax the second time as there will be no invoice. If you return the item i am sure you can reclaim the VAT.... Somehow.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
It supports a terabyte sd card. I seen it on one of the hands on video
[Saygus V²] funkbuqet:
Except as far as I can tell nobody is actually selling any TB microSD cards yet. OEM's generally say up to 128GB because that is the max size readily available at this point (and they still cost around $100 USD each). By the same logic the V2 could have over 4TB of storage space once somebody actually starts producing 2TB (current theoretical max) microSD cards.

Edit: After doing a bit of digging, Toshiba reports that they have figured out how to cram 1TB on a microSD card, but do not expect to have the tech available until 2019. Regardless of what phone I buy this year, I doubt i will still be using it then.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
As far as I know if a device is said to only be compatible up to a certain amount of gigs by manufacturers 3 things happen when you insert a higher capacity sd card.

It doesn't work at all or it does work but slows device down or works flawlessly.
[Saygus V²] funkbuqet:
That is true, but since the technology doesn't really exist yet, I think LG's claim that their phones are compatible is dubious at best.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
They may sell a terabyte sd card as a separate accessories who knows
[Saygus V²] drago10029:
nah, you can't compare it to the fire phone. Fire phone looked like a bad phone from the start. Running amazon software, that's already the first big sign right there. and the cameras were and are gimmicking and battery wasters.

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That is completely wrong! lol, you watched the wrong video. it's 2 128GB cards and the OPs 15 MP front camera listing is wrong too. it's 13
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
Anyone can answer this?

1. For the features of V2, may I know the screen type? Is it TFT LCD, IPS LCD or others?

2. For this I am just curious and wish to know more. I do not understand the need of requesting for information on Operator and country of use. Could you further explain? Reason because if V2 is a world phone, then essentially every network could be use. How come is there a need for some certification procedure with the country operator?*

3. *The V2 is made of durable materials, does it warrant against drop that could possibly damage the phone?

4. Is this product entirely made in the US?*

5. In regards to the Root access, does this means that by default the V2 is shipped unroot? For root access we will have to configure it ourself?*

6. Currently I understand that the camera on V2 is made by Sharp, what is the sensor size of the camera?*

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Oh and same for me too.. The first time I email them for enquiry, I got a fast reply from them. They said all my questions can be found in the FAQ in their website.

However, when I prompt further, I got no reply. This is the 4th day already :(

Just hope its not another Saygus Vphone saga....
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I was referring to lg g flex2 it has a terabyte capacity on sd if a terabyte sd came out
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Saygus say this is so they can tune the antenna(e) to the frequencies used by your operator. I'm not sure if this is done in software, but surely otherwise it would be a huge headache to tailor every phone to its user. If in software, maybe the antenna(e) can be re-tuned as desired.

I'm going to take a wild guess that that will be "no".

No. It is assembled in China, and one of the reasons for doing that is that so many components are available locally, so I think the phone is mostly made in China. Saygus says in its Terms & Conditions that the phone is manufactured by "Saygus China" in Shenzhen, but clearly Saygus China consists of a few quality control/liaison people overseeing a local manufacturer.
[Saygus V²] morphius1966:
Unlocked boot loader and ability to boot from SD card... no brainer guys! and as far as the OS is concerned, from the photo's I saw, it looks like a stock android which I am all over! Judging by the phone itself, i would say the designers had the phone enthusiast in mind when designing it, and most phone enthusiasts all have a harmonious voice singing and chanting 'NO BLOATWARE!!, PURE ANDROID!!". I prepurchased one minutes after the phone went up for prepurchase. I already have one 128 GB micro SD card, I cannot wait to plug in a second one! 320GB storage! Meet the Saygus V2, phone, computer, camera, portable hard drive, etc etc.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
I totally agree with you! I think this is the phone for android geek, phone enthusiasts and for all developers. This is one to take notice. Hope more people will notice this super phone....
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
The vat which will be applied in UK will it be calculated based the the amount of rate from dollars to pounds on the day it is received?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
$599 is deducted from my Credit Card on 7 Feb which is the day i made order (8 Feb in Singapore).

That means I do not get $50 discount :( Hopefully, i can get screen protector and extra battery FREE
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
What is your order number? I hope to have the screen protector and extra battery too. But hopefully it doesn't cost alot to get it.
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
Question for anyone who got to pre register and pre order within the time frame to get the extra battery and screen

Protector. when you got your invoice did it state the extra

battery and screen protector or just the discount?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
My order number is #2176.

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I ordered within time frame (17:00 MST time) on 7 Feb 2015 but I did not pre-register
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
This is all reminding me of the Ace Ventura quote: "if I'm not back in five minutes..................just wait longer. "
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
I was refunded also - and because of the strong dollar / weak pound, I even made £3 on the deal! So whoever it was worrying about interest, maybe you have made money on the FX trade. :)
[Saygus V²] hella356:
According to Saygus: "We implement some of the USB 3 stack or commands and we should see higher speeds than a pure USB 2 device." This is vague. SHOULD see higher speeds? This sounds like wishful thinking. But if true, what kind of increase are we talking about? I see no reason to think they'll match 3.0 speeds. So, what, a 50% increase over normal 2.0? 10%? 1%? .001%? This also doesn't address power delivery, as full 3.0 should be capable of faster charging than a 2.0 implementation. In truth, had they just stated 2.0 - and only 2.0 - from the start, there wouldn't be confusion about it. Sure, some would be disappointed at Saygus for not using 3.0, but better to announce 2.0 than to promise something 3.0-ish and not come through. I suppose they could still surprise us, and I truly hope they do. I'd prefer a true 3.0 solution, but even if it's plain old 2.0 (with none of the improvements they're hinting at) it wouldn't change my mind about purchasing. Having just this one missed item on my list of hardware wants is something I could accept. They just need to be more mindful of how they state things like this.

I have worked for a start-up company before and I realize what they're doing is a huge task. I am very much rooting for them. Having cryptic and unfulfilled communications, often with poor grammar via Twitter, is not proving to inspire much confidence in them.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I lost 30 CAD
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Best wishes to rest your mind in peace!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Anyone get an email yet?
[Saygus V²] post_break:
Nope.

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/577492089975513090
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Nope
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
I really don't care about USB speeds. I upload all my photos to Onedrive.

I do hope they get this sorted soon. I gave my iphone6+ to a colleague and this Atrix HD I have been using is showing it's age. Badly. It barely makes it from 8am to 6 pm with light usage.