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[Saygus V²] BiffTirkle:
7 die hard fans! I have been lurking, I try to keep my posts relevant or at least interesting. Its tough to contribute anything but speculation at the moment. I pre-ordered the device and I will buy a 128GB card and use a 64GB I have laying around to get more storage. My media is the reason I want more storage space.

I have been a OnePlus user since mid July. Got my wife a OnePlus in early august. I was getting free invites like crazy and giving them away. My wife loves the phone, but I like many feel its just a bit too big. I'm looking forward to the V².
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
That "free cash" is probably funding the first production run. ;)
[Saygus V²] funkbuqet:
I would imagine that all of the money they have received so far is going to production, current salaries, and paying down debt. Bringing a device like this to market, especially as a new company, is incredibly expensive. If they have only sold a couple thousand units I would lay odds that they are still pretty deeply in the red. They are likely relying on the pre-order revenue just to stay afloat.

I am super excited about this phone, but have not pre-ordered since I am currently locked into Sprint and the phone has yet to be certified by them. If too many of the people that did pre-order cancel, it could very well put the kibosh on this device.
[Saygus V²] letinsh:
This.

I'm super excited for this fone, but there has been nothing new to discuss so I figured one more voice whining about a lack of hourly updates would be unwelcome.
[Saygus V²] tightos:
A Message to SAYGUS

If Chad is in Utah.....that obviously means that production of the handsets are:

(a) Fine

or

2. He don't give a crap anymore (taking into consideration all the facts we've been hearing about the problems they're having)

My patience is wearing down.....and there being no communication with us once AGAIN!........I'm seriously beginning to suspect that there's going to be another delay!

No shipping details yet.......no proper website.......just an effing Twitter tease about some friggin SECRET!

I didn't pay for no secret......I paid for a phone!

SAYGUS!..........You better put up something soon about the shipping options, accessories, full hands on video on working features of the phone!

We are not too concerned about your marketing campaign .............YOU DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO CONVINCE US TO BUY YOUR PHONE!.............WE ALREADY DID!

Sweet talk the other prospective customers AFTER you ship our phones.........months, weeks, days after........we don't really care!

Do something relevant NOW!........and by that, I don't mean go on Twitter at 2 am and talk crap again...................

Love always,

R.R.R.

:angel:
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
I remember my first android phone Sony xperia the sunlight viewing was pretty good.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Talks with support of this 'extra option' https://twitter.com/za_dark/status/598358252850642944/photo/1

I'm hoping that saygus plays this right.
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
There are a lot of elements of it which seem questionable.

1. The current level of the viewed device by the author of the article. It's my opinion that if a device was recently viewed, it would not still be a preproduction model, but with less than 2 weeks to launch, it would be a finished model!

2. The information shared by the author about custom software, besides WIHD software for the V2, seems doubtful because the device contains stock vanilla android!

3. The part about checking top selling android apps and contacting developers to make sure it works with the V2 also seems questionable because Android apps are made using SDK, and because the V2 is using stock Android, a 5 inch screen at 1080p on an 801, the apps are already compatible. Once the device is released, if there is some problem, then the developers can be contacted through Google Play Store by individuals, who could submit a help ticket. The manufacture of the device wouldn't have to contact developers in this situation.

4. Some mysterious $50 more expensive version of the device, which preorders could exchange their V2 for in mid June by returning the device? That makes no sense and is very questionable. Imagine if every preorder returned their purchase 2-3 weeks after receiving their devices, so they could exchange it for this upgraded version? You'd have way over 11,000 worldwide returns at a minimum. It is my opinion IF, and I stress IF, some upgraded version of the Saygus V2 was scheduled to launch 2-3 weeks after preorders ship, that everyone who preordered would be auto upgraded at no cost, rather than every preorder mailing back their V2, so that they can exchange it. To me, that would be far more likely than all preorders shipping back their devices. IF, and I mean IF this scenario happened, then I could see future orders having the option of purchasing a regular V2 or paying an extra $50 for some upgraded version, however, in this situation I would think that all preorders would be auto upgraded. That would make more sense than all preorders mailing back their devices for another version. That would explain the halting of the preorders. Again, all of this is of course is just ONE BIG IF, and is at this point only conjecture.

Again, I have no way of knowing whether the reddit post is true or not, but I just wanted to share my thoughts on it. I mean no offense on anyone in regards to my post, but forums are made for discussion and this seems like a good one.
[Saygus V²] tipocool:
With a little over a week to go before they are supposed to being shipping, still no definitive info on shipping costs, WiHD accessory, SqGl headset, etc. Yet, they can tease us with 'secrets' and now 'something better will be integrated' into the phone which may or may not be available to those who pre-ordered. Seriously? Does anyone at Saygus have a clue?
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Only problem with that theory of auto-upgraded is. The support told me that 'pre-orderers will get exactly what they are promised in specifications' (https://twitter.com/za_dark/status/598358252850642944/photo/1) . Also, that would be bad business to keep a feature that will auto-upgrade a secret and drop it on the pre-orderers that their phone has changed in specifications last minute. Support also says it isn't a 'major change' so it may be nothing we care too much about.
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
You may be right.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
I concur with the above statement - you'd think that with the countdown to "shipping" now less than two weeks that Saygus would have an accurate idea of the shipping weight & size of the phone packaging (including any freebies included) to email all the pre-purchasers with differing shipping options in anticipation of a quick ship-out.
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
I ve been reading this hole forum since weeks and decided to finally join to share my thoughts with you guys.

A few things...

First, I decided to go with saygus when I called my carrier(I was due to an upgrade) and I was told that I have to change my plan and basically pay 20$ more per month for the same 6gb.so that made no sense for me so I decided that I will buy a phone on my one (since my Galaxy s2 is having problems) (and yes its and old phone I know but I like it :))

So I found that 'superman phone' the Saygus v2. What made me decide to go for it and pre order is that the mix of all those features the most important for me :removable battery, 2 sd cards, sunlight viewing, big battery and chip saver (I hope it will work) extra antenna, front speakers. And all those extra little features that add to it.

As for the SD 801 I am fine with that. It's what we pre ordered. Ok yes the shipping was delayed but receiving the phone 5 weeks later than what was supposed but I don't bealive that this small difference in time makes that the phone should have SD 805 or 808. . And even then the difference between the 3 as what's the best is debatable..

As for the design i don't mind it. I say to myself that at least it's better the way it's gonna be instead of a nice thin beautiful design that is so fragile. So I hope that 'bulky' design will help the phone last longer (can't wait to think about my Nokia n95 that lasted like 5 years with lot of abuse)

As for the secret of saygus.:I don't think it's anything with accessories or other.. I think it's an association with SanDisk cyanogenmod or something like that.

Concerning the upgraded phone :I don't think that hole reddit thing make sense but if it's the case maybe it's like a v2 with like SD808 for example.. Maybe saygus saw that this is a concern for some and they want to offer the option.

To end, I still think the Saygus v2 will see the light. I really hope the 22th will be the date.. My s2 is struggling more and more. I think the phone will have all the features they promised but I slowly start to think that maybe the phone will not perform as we expect it.

One last thing... I wanted to know what you guys think: I remember saygus said that the orders will be processed by order (those who ordered first). Do you think it's a possibility that on the 22th they will ship only a certain amount, the day after another etc etc until everybody that has it receives it? That would be a way for them to be like :we did ship on the 22nd

Im just thinking out loud since may 22nd is coming fast and they don't seem quite ready
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
I take this reddit post with a grain of salt, but if its true I hope they do not mess it up with to many modifications to stock Android. It would however be nice if some of the most popular root applications like Tasker and Titanium Backup came pre-installed as system apps, so that they would work 100% out of the box without the user having to root the entire system just to make apps like this work. I don't know if this is possible or allowed by google, but it would certainly be nice.
[Saygus V²] kensayers:
Do the SD cards need to be waterproof themselves?

I think I saw a post a few days ago where someone said that you had to buy 'extreme' SDXC cards as the waterproofing technology waterproofs the phone including the contacts where the SDXC cards connect but doesn't use a gasket to seal the phone.

As a result the cover doesn't seal the inside where the SIM and SDXC cards are.

So I would therefore need to be sure that the SIM and SDXC cards were in themselves waterproof.

Has anyone confirmed if this is the case, or can I use just use regular SDXC cards?
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
If water gets anywhere near the SD cards, I think your phone's in trouble anyhow - any water incursion past the cover will drown something.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Considering the phone is pre-rooted,definitely it will be a boon by Saygus if Titanium Backup is pre -installed.

---------- Post added at 06:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:01 PM ----------

This point is to be thought of.It will help us if any one who has expertise in this matter would throw some light.
[Saygus V²] Zinguy:
The emperor's new phone

I first heard about Saygus last year. I signed up for notification and preordered, appx # 1150. When I cancelled my preorder a couple weeks ago they promptly refunded my payment. So far, that credit to my visa account is the only part of Saygus' 2015 antics that hasn't raised a red flag. I finally succumbed to the old adage, "If it sounds too good to be true , it probably is. " I loved the specs enough to plunk my money down but I'm skeptical and rational enough to know that with 10 days to go and no device the Saygus tailors have been sewing away in secret on the emperor's new phone. The gushing posts about saygus on this forum are oohing and aahing over something that doesn't yet exist. It's time for Chad Sayers to stop wishin' and start fishin'. Honest, transparent reports about the progress of production would be the first step in building confidence. I'm sure his current nonV2 phone has a camera. I'm also sure he has the password to the twitter and Facebook accounts. If the. V2 is truly 10 days from shipping he has no worry about industrial espionage. We all know creating a phone is an incredibly difficult task but posting on Facebook or Twitter is not rocket science. You don't need to hire someone to do it unless you're a Kardashian or a clueless politician. Or someone who is so deep into a web of misinformation that you can't keep it straight on your own. Click. Snap. One sentence about the latest difficulties, developments, triumphs, weird chinese food at lunch, whatever. The guy's track record shows only someone good at getting other people to give him money. Nothing left standing from his other telecom/ internet ventures. No V1. Today, Mr. Sayers, is a good day to start a real information campaign, not a Trump-like hype of "It will be big! Huge! The hugest!" Hardworking Andreas will stick up for this guy but even he has to admit that he manages to fit a lot of pro bono communication re V2 into his very busy days- Sayers could easily do half as much on his own behalf.

We put up and they shut up. Let's see the phone in production.

Please keep comments to factual reasons why I am completely off base.
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
I believe all SD cards are waterproof. At least all the ones I've found/tested.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
What the...

https://twitter.com/za_dark/status/598358252850642944/photo/1

Wow. This really makes me upset! Why are they already developing a new product/upgrade if they haven't even released the first one? I don't want to believe this, but it is consistent with pulling the shop page from the site and removing the spec sheet (well, removing the links to it; you can still access it via url).

I dunno, I don't want to cancel my preorder just yet. I really like the specs of the V2, but if Saygus is just going to kick it out the door and move on to a newer, "upgraded" version, what kind of support do you think we'll get for it?

Nice one, Saygus; thanks for showing your appreciation for your loyal customers.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I will wait 9 days... Nine days only .. After that I will not give a piece of *** for this masquerades.

I'm 80% guessing that the V2 is a vaporware like its predecessor . But I will wait till May 22nd and see.

They still don't show any functioning unit yet, and started to talk about the secret or the upgraded version. I tried and tried over and over again not to give up at this point, but I only see a blundering management that is totally unable to offer any real action, except promises and high words over the air.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
I've dropped an SD card or two in water in the past and they seem to still work fine.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I don't know what the better integration is but they never said upgraded version did they?
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
It's coated at the PBC level. This is totally different than when the phone is sealed and has plugs (that get loose) for every hole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9zFPKvYno
[Saygus V²] enzo ferraro:
Bravo, Zin

B][/B]

Zin--I'm No. 1132 in the V2 queue, and I've decided to wait until 5-22 before I ask for my money back. However, I completely concur with your comments, and I'm astounded by the scarcity of info from Saygus at this late date.

I'm not sure it's a con game, but I think Chad et al are standing out in left field with a hockey stick. As I've posted previously, I'm 81, and I don't have a hell of a lot of extra time to wait around for a phone that appears to be considerably short of maturity. I'm hoping for a production version very soon; I do not care to be one of Saygus's beta testers.

It wouldn't compromise Chad, or his company, to post something more than "Don't worry, you'll like it when it happens"

on the Saygus site.
[Saygus V²] Jkteam:
I remember a tweet of them saying you need the waterproof sd cards. On the v2 it's coating. I guess the normal sd cards are fine with water a little bit but the waterproof ones must be safer
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
EDIT. nvm.. not worth it any longer
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
My guess on the upgrade is either more onboard storage or dual sim.

edit: when did this get it's own forum?
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
Sweet V² has its own forum now
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
What do you mean?
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
Link to the official forum?
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
You are in it:good:

We figured it was time.
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
LOL I though he meant another one, didn't notice he was referring to this one. Since way back this wasn't official
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
You wouldn't count dual Sim as a major change?

----

Just to vent, saygus found time to get on Twitter today but didn't bother to offer any update or information or reassurance. They asked one tweeter where he had heard and told another how to create a ticket.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
It's the only thing I can think of that wouldn't cause a huge change on the software side of things.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
That's fair. I wouldn't count storage variations as a huge change but doesn't seem worth the secret. Nor do I suspect alternative colors. A device that ships with cyanogen? 4th gb of ram? Different back materials like oneplus planned? A windows version? No no, no windows
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
He did. Saygus V² device section
[Saygus V²] weirleigh:
Been checking this thread daily for what seems like forever, now that the Saygus has it's own form and we are hopefully days from the actual release of the V2 I wanted to create an account. Will have more exciting post soon.... one day, as soon as I get my phone right now just watching the email for anything from Saygus related to shipping, accessories, anything really
[Saygus V²] kensayers:
True, the SD card in itself is probably OK, but the contacts between the card and the phone will be likely to corrode if exposed to e.g. salt water. Not I looked at the video by the waterproofing company Saygus are using and it really looks like they coat the whole device in a nano-membrane which protects it, and I guess can still conduct signals/power etc. but if the sd card lacks such a coating I would imagine that the contacts would be susceptible to corrosion if exposed to water, especially chlorinated or salty water. BTW I am not 100% sure that USIM cards are waterproof either.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Everyday... I am checking what will appear in between "Saygus" logo and "Support" of their main page. Nothing appears till now and they are silent again for 7 days in Twitter.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Total crap that they're keeping us in the dark. Wonder if they realize they're making all their investors quite nervous?

Must be a new way of doing business that I'm just not aware of?
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
new message fron Saygus on Twitter !
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
People started to be nervous even on Twitter!
[Saygus V²] kreoXDA:
Even that tweet is incomplete and flawed:

"Once again, our house "tweeter" is still recovering. Sorry friends! Let me pitch in and address some of these concerns:"

And???

I hope they do a better job with the phone.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Finally some more details

Dear Saygus fans and followers,

today I finally reached the Saygus guys, after I hadn't that much luck yesterday.

Yes, Chad is back from China and now back in Utah again.

They are still collecting all the shipping details from their different partners/distributors and will make them available to you until the beginning of next week, so that you have them before the shipping will start on May 22nd.

Besides that they are preparing the marketing campaign they have announced some days ago. There will be some major US companies involved and this will probably make the V² also known by non-techies. I know that this isn't that kind of information, you ware waiting for, but it's at least some more movement.

Right now there are the following official accessories planned: WiHD receiver, screen protector, replacement battery, quick charger, standard charger and different colored back covers. I'm sure, some of you are waiting for a case, but right now it doesn't look, as Saygus would put one up. This still doesn't mean that there isn't any case manufacturerer partnering with them or making some cases on its own!

Some of you had complained about the semi professional looking style of Saygus' website, as far as I remember. Good news for you! They will release a redesigned website in the next weeks and this is also the cause, why it's messed up a little right now. Personally I still do not get, why they didn't wait until the new one has been completely finished, but who knows? :D

Good news about their Twitter person, she has finally left hospital and will be back on the road again soon, so you can expect a regular Twitter activity in the next weeks. Her temporary substitute seems to be not that talkative....I just have no more words on this. How can someone get that Twitter job?

Oh, I almost missed the most important part. Still on schedule for May 22nd, which is basically the end of next week. They won't be able to serv all pre orders at once, but will definitely start by then and serve the remaining ones continuously in the following days.

Best wishes from Germany,

Andreas :)
[Saygus V²] amujee:
Andreas, if this phone actually does become a reality, Saygus should compensate you, or at the very least, give you a phone for doing their job. How difficult would it have been for a Saygus representative to provide the information you just did? They need to get their *hit together.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
A fight started on Saygus Twitter ... Go watch .. I really did not like their reply
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
So they can't meet pre-orders in may 22,great
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
They can't and

won't be able to ship

all of the orders in one day.
[Saygus V²] Omegaclawe:
I personally didn't expect them to. I seriously doubt they've had a bunch of these sitting in a warehouse with shipping labels already slapped on and ready to go on launch day, like many of the big companies would do.

That said, as quick as I put my order in, I shouldn't have much of a wait.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
We'll see, I'm 2200 something
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
IF they have a contract with a major company; part of the contractual agreement most likely contains 'in order for us to be partners with you, you'll have to stop selling the phone on your site, and not make deals with any other company'. This is really the only reason they would hastily dissect the website and the shop.
[Saygus V²] svtcontour:
Well I'm #1828 and so excited for this. I can give them slack for being an up and coming company. We all have to start somewhere. You guys are trying to compare them to giants like Apple and Samsung, that is totally unfair. I will see by the 23rd-25th before I start to become agitated. But let's ease it down a little until we see the final product.

And since I am in a sales related business, why does a company always have to kiss the customers ass. I deal with rude and ignorant people on a daily basis, but yet I can't say boo because I could lose my job. BS. Sometimes the customer deserves a little smack talk right back at them.
[Saygus V²] nvitone23:
Went from 1600ish to 10000ish after I canceled and got a new preorder... :(
[Saygus V²] saantiago:
The company has a ****ty past and you normally don't shell out $600 for something with no proof of existence.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Surprise!. Saygus changed its brand

They also clearly announce that they have built only +200 phones yet.
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
I'm still having a bad feeling about quality control as things get "tied up" before the 22nd, very hastily. I'm sure I'm not alone though.
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Are you trolling? That was a deliberate attempt to take those tweets out of context.
[Saygus V²] Jimmy_Neutron:
Where was this announcement made?