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[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
This is an absolutely undeniable fact that makes absolutely zero business sense why they haven't done it.

Saygus has until 3/31 for me personally, at that point I'm not supportive of an interest-free loan any longer.
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
I went for an LG G3 32GB, 3GB RAM. Was going to say "32GB/3GB" but now fear that Saygus has undermined imprecise use of the forward slash / oblique.

There are some sweet deals around on last year's flagships. I paid around Euro 328 inc. delivery but before sales tax/VAT, for a brand new unit from a huge online retailer, which equates to about $344 at current exchange rates. This is a substantial saving over the Saygus, and this is for a proven device with a large installed base, an active development community, and a decent prospect of after sales support. Saygus has better specs on paper, but they don't have a finished device, which is why there are no reviews yet, and they have in fact never delivered a single phone to anyone.

I want them to succeed, but I am sceptical.
[Saygus V²] Ahg3r1:
Can I ask, where did you get the LG G3 from?
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
Amazon Germany.
[Saygus V²] Ahg3r1:
Yeah I checked there, but I did not find it there for that prize...
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B00KKM2UZG

It is EUR 385 inc German sales tax at 19% but excluding delivery. When you choose a shipping address, your local tax rate will be applied instead if you live in the EU. Not sure what happens ex EU.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
My no is 4428

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OK my friend..I am also from India and also not that much rich.So I know your feelings.And also like you I fell into the tech spell of this phone and want it very Much. So let us hope for the good and wait for it even though it might be delayed a bit as there is not a suitable substitute for this phone now from the so called market giants. Also I am in touch with most of the Indiians who have placed order for. this phone.So let us be also mutual friends. What is your order no and from which state you are?Mine is 4428 I am from Kerala.
[Saygus V²] renjithrc84:
I got attracted with the specs same like others. But I really dont like their reply that V2 is still in the preorder stage and I dont know how long they will continue in the same situation. I think they wil give us an idea about shipping after the CeBIT 2015 .
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I couod not wait anymore. Do we really need to wait for another 2 or 4 weeks? Not cool anymore. I could have left that money on my savings and get a bit of interest. It's a shame Saygus took money out straight onto my account at the time I pre ordered the phone.:eek:
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
They're supposed to be letting us know about shipping updates by end of the weekend, according to their twitter.

Of course, they originally said 2 days ago, "shipping update either today or tomorrow".. That changed after to "by the time the weekend is up".. So.... We will see if that holds true.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
What is the percentage? Here it is almost nothing.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
3.16% per annum. It's a bit smaller but at least I'm getting interest...lol
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
Wow, what country, what bank?
[Saygus V²] Olivierica:
I am in a business of buying a new phone. I have the s3 and it was good but the camera is broken and that sucks.

I am pretty much sure I will buy the z3 compact because it has all that want in a phone:

Great camera, long battery life, lots of storage, a good community of developer and a not to big that it will pull my pants down while in my pockets.

Now the saygus is attractive cause it also has all those requirement.

The big question for me is the camera. I understand it has stabilisation but do we know what kind of sensor and lens they are using? It was the only thing that didn't work at Barcelona and quite frankly it seems odd to me.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Don't fool yourself.

I'm order #1975, so here's hoping I am in the first run/batch of phones. Time will tell.

They are using Sharp sensors. I think people originally thought they were Sony, but recently some videos have shown they are Sharp.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
[IMG="please"]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-pfeE1t0-qyE/U4qXevsCjUI/AAAAAAADxRk/FRHxpoWpnGw/tumblr_majbpugaLw1r9o0g2.gif[/IMG]

Sorry for not being polite, but this just makes me sick.

If you have like 1% as instant access interest rate, then in 2 weeks it would make 21 cents for you.

If it really is an issue, give us your paypal address and many of us would be happy to send you this asset just to cut the whining.
[Saygus V²] Olivierica:
Sharp sensor? How do they compare to iPhone or Sony?

I guess I'll wait for the camera review before purchasing anything
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
"camera uses top Sony sensor." https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/575992832667844609

Probably could be IMX230: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8165301786/sony-debuts-21mp-stacked-cmos-sensor-for-smartphones
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Thank you! A voice of reason... I have no idea who started this "short term loan" garbage but it's ridiculous. If you took 30 seconds to read then you knew that the phone wouldn't be in your hands until early April at best. I knew they'd charge my card as soon as I pre-ordered the phone. If a few dollars in interest means that much to you then you probably shouldn't be spending 500+on a phone. Write and get your money back or calm down and try to bring something positive to the forum please.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Just out of curiosity how did you know they would charge your account right after preordering? Was that posted somewhere?
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Then something has changed. They originally claimed they had a deal with sharp. The

Quotes below are from 3 different sites that were hands on at either CES or MWC. Makes me wonder if this is why we haven't seen a working camera unit yet. Maybe a last minute change forced them to adjust.

"And Saygus CEO Chad Sayers tells me it also scored an exclusive hold on Sharp's 21 megapixel camera ..."

"The main 21-megapixel Sharp camera actually goes all the way through the body of the phone"

"The optics are sourced form Sharp and Saygus claims that both include optical image stabilisation"

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Because that is how everything I've ever pre-ordered worked. Not saying that is everyone's experience. But traditionally you have to pay some or all to reserve a pre-order. See gamestop. Since no Reserve fee was mentioned it seemed logical to me that they would charge the full amount. With no monetary commitment a pre-order, especially one with a special offer, doesn't do any good. Pre-orders identify "ready, willing and able buyers" so a company can gauge actual sales. So if they get 50,000 pre-orders with no monetary commitment, half of them are probably HOPING to have the money in time, a third of what's left will find something else because they have literally nothing invested. Leaving maybe 16,000 of your original 50,000. You want their commitment to the phone, they want your commitment to buy.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
Yes, it was changed, Chad mentioned Sharp sensors back @ CES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q22L2jmQvg#t=130

I expect IMX230, which supports 4k video (eye-candy?), but I'd definitely love the improved AF, the HDR features and the 720p [MENTION=512813]120[/MENTION]FPS.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
That's fine. Maybe that explains why we haven't seen a working camera
[Saygus V²] limpopo:
From your dpreview link: "The IMX230 unit will begin shipping in April 2015."

I doubt it could be IMX230 if the sensor isn't shipping yet. I think Saygus should be in a position to let people know by now. Why would they be keeping quiet? The camera specs they have announced are impressive. They should be building on that.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
This whole purchase sounds shadier and shadier each passing day. They don't release info when they say they're going to. They seem to be flip flopping. None of their statements have been consistent? Saygus really needs to get their poop in a group or customers are going to start dropping like flies. :confused:
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
It is odd that they can't name the sensor
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I agree with this and plan to give them until the end of the month still. But I don't get why so many people are praising them in this thread unless it's people from Saygus themselves posting (it's not a great phone until there's proof it works). We have given them money and time. They aren't giving us anything in return yet. Updates that actually include real info would be great. I still have yet to see anything new hardware wise working that wasn't working back at ces... Why isn't there any videos of them showing off 2sd cards and then showing the total storage in the phone? For all I know android won't support 2 sd cards and they have yet to even prove that their most advertised feature even works.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
Two months ago it was a Sharp sensor.

They must have a good reason to switch, and therefore they have a good reason not to publish all the specification details until the phone is 100% ready.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
I think most of the people that discussed deadlines mentioned 31. 03. And it is almost certain that nobody here will hold an actual phone in their hands by that time. I would agree with that date. But for what? Another info? So far those informations were confusing and non consistent. If they give us date of shipping by 31. 03. what would that information mean? So... we want this kind of phone, we are willing to wait, we have been waiting so far. Now we say: we wait until 31.03. But what are we waiting for? It takes more than 2 weeks for phone to arrive (to me at least). What do others say? What is the deadline for most of the people? Do we wait for shipping info, actual phone or specific info about the software, camera sensors etc... How much can we rely on their info based on current experience?
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Personally I'm waiting until I find something else I like. Not a fan of the s6 or m9. If the zenphone 2 ships to usa before the saygus v2 does then that's what I'm waiting for at this point. Unless something else comes up before then like one plus 2 or something (not that I'm expecting it to). Otherwise I'm still happy with my nexus 5 for the time being. Just wish the battery was better.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
I have a feeling there was an issue with the sharp sensor. Which is why the camera was never working in dev models. And they made the haste switch to Sony for a tried and true sensor.

6-8 weeks from the date I preordered on February 3rd is March 31st. That said, the phone is still not delayed.

You guys getting pissed about the ship date need to realize that until the phone doesn't ship on March 31st, it's not delayed or late.
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
I wonder how many pre orders they have? I bought into this yesterday with an order number in the mid 5000s, likely this doesn't represent how many phones, because not all will be a single phone per order, some could have ordered a couple, and others hundreds.

I started looking because of the back step in functionality of the S6, and this phone does look like what I need. :)
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Good question. I'd say they they didn't hit 20,000. But that is a personal guess with nothing to to base it on. The phone might get big if at&t or Verizon put some advertising into it but that remains to be seen.
[Saygus V²] hella356:
I'd be stoked if they could get onboard with TMo & implement WiFi calling. But any major carrier would boost sales, so hopefully they find at least one.
[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
Saygus has made many references to how Apple does things as a defense when they're scrutinized, which means that they are trying to replicate Apples success. Apple makes heavy use of in house design mixed with foreign manufacturing; that being said, I think Saygus has placed too much faith into outsourcing efforts and are being let down. I have a suspicion that updates aren't arriving on time because they aren't receiving the answers themselves. In the background of their videos, there isn't much of an office to be seen and there haven't been any interviews with their developers. Does anybody know how many people are currently employed by Saygus? I'd be curious to know if they have in house engineers doing any of the coding whatsoever.

Their twitter states "Our team in China works 6 days a week till launch"

When asked about the potential of an un-boxing video showing a review of software, they stated "Got probanly the best of best working on it."

I'm not sure when "The best of the best" of anything ever came out of outsourcing efforts.

I don't mean to slander Chinese manufacturing at all, but typically the conditions in which they work are sub-par at best and that can be reflected within the quality of the final product.

I'm still hoping that they put together and launch an amazing phone.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Yeah, I don't get all the whining. I'm not exactly praising their customer service, but they technically haven't done anything against the original agreement. They state specifically that shipment will be announced sometime in March but is not 100% guaranteed. I didn't buy this phone on impulse, I did my homework on it. They are a company starting out, and had bad luck on their previous phone. They are up against tough competition; way out of their league. Although their communication on Twitter has been unsatisfactory, it is understandable given the hostile market. Their vagueness on their specs is also understandable as that lets them change tech on the fly if something doesn't live up to the super phone status while simultaneously offering it for $600. So, I knew what I was getting into when pre-ordering.

I am not an employee of Saygus.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
How does a "hostile market" make it okay to have poor twittering?

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and not making any rash decisions until after March, but that doesn't mean we can't be skeptical. I've kick started a few things and always got weekly updates at least on the progress. And this is supposedly not even a kick starter type thing and more progressed...
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I could make more than $2 in a month and help me pay my $5 bank card service charge in a month. You probably don't know how a penny worth. I paid more in AU dollars.

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I could make more than $2 in a month and help me pay my $5 bank card service charge in a month. You probably don't know how a penny worth. I paid more in AU dollars.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I think I'd just like to make a general reply here not only to folks that are considered the "whiners", but also the folks who are calling people the "whiners."

During the pre-order phase, Saygus specifically provided the following information to me/prospective customers in a direct email I sent them:

Q: When will the phone actually be received by the buyer? Exact time.

A: We anticipate 6-8 weeks after ordering. However, we don’t have an exact time frame yet. There could be factors that delay this date – manufacturing or other delays. We will have better clarity on the date in March.

On their website Saygus posted (publicly!) and I heard them say during an interview that March 31st was the timeframe for customers. Fine, I support that, it follows the 6-8wk projection I received personally.

On Feb 2, they tweeted: "Shipping will

begin

in 6-8 weeks"

On Mar 6, they tweeted: "Shipping news in the next couple of weeks."

On Mar 12, they tweeted: "Email coming

today

or

tomorrow

on shipping info"

On Mar 12, they tweeted: "Phone and shipping update

before weekend is up

"

On Mar 12, they tweeted: "Again, shipping info update expected

before the weekend is up

in US."

I don't know about you guys, but I'd say they're overpromising and underdelivering. Simple as that. Despite the sheer petulence, professional immaturity, grammar and spelling from some of their tweets, it's entirely reasonable for people to feel disrespected by Saygus, myself included, and I think calling them "whiners" isn't justified. Hey, if you're not gonna hit 3/31, then tell us. It's the "stay tuned" B.S. that really peeves me. As a guy who doesn't use social media, I've had 6 weeks of complete silence; Saygus hasn't out a single status update email. If you want me to pay

full price

for a phone 8 WEEKS ahead of time (instead of a 20% deposit or something), you damn well better make sure you keep those customers abreast of their purchase. Just keep us in the loop, it's not that f*cking hard.

To be honest, I'm not sure they can actually deliver the phone they've promised. No one, NO ONE!, has actually seen a production unit -- just some engineering samples. Communications/emails/tickets go unanswered, questions still remain about V2 specs. They never had a Paypal link available for consumer protection, despite it specifically being listed as an option in their T&C.

I get it. I took the risk. I trusted them enough due to presence at trade shows and engineering samples.

My point is that calling a pre-orderer a "whiner" isn't justified at this point. People are concerned about their purchase, their patience, and their money. Refunds take 5-10 days?!?!? As someone who's worked in banking since 2003, what an absurd claim. That's professional laziness by Saygus and complete disrespect to the customer.

Despite all that, we'll see what Saygus says "before the weekend is up." I will be patient until 3/31.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm not calling anyone a whiner. My point is this : We've heard it. The haven't communicated well, they haven't given enough info, they've been vague, some things have changed, they took money right away, they've not shown many features or a completed phone. We've seen the same complaints over and over and there is no need to just keep restating the sand complaints. No one here and can fix your complaints. We are all hoping for the same same outcome and we are all here sharing information we find. The bottom line is that you know where things stand today and you either want out (refund) or you're going to stay the course, just make a choice. Being the 20th person to come to this forum and gripe about the same thing won't help any of us and none of us can help you.
[Saygus V²] abunhyan:
am 100% agree with u :good::cool:
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
No excuse for poor twittering, or poor customer service, or being uninformative. Hostile market however keeps the staff small, compartmentalized, and extremely busy.
[Saygus V²] renjithrc84:
CeBIT Visitor

Hi guys, Thers a fb group SAYGUS V2 and a member of that group is planning to go for the CeBIT 2015 and he told that he will try to check with the saygus team about the status of our dream phone. Same like us, he is also waiting for the phone. So hope he can get us some gud news. and according to him if we have any questions for the saygus team, we can pass it to him and he will try to clarify our doubts with the team there at CeBIT.

I cant post the link to that group as i am still restricted to post links here.
[Saygus V²] Lightroom:
https://m.facebook.com/SaygusV2

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https://m.facebook.com/SaygusV2Fanpage
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
I totally agree with most everything you wrote.

But I want to make clear, that I did not call whiners those pre-orderers who are disappointed by the communication from Saygus. I can understand them - though there is a definite improvement in it now.

However - it must be because English is not my mother tongue - I do not have a better word for those who come here to state that they could have made like $2 while waiting for the phone, or Saygus surely is making big business on the interest. These calculations, khm, do not seem to be precise enough, and if it counts for anyone, then they clearly made a bad decision by ordering a flagship phone.

It is a technical forum and is not meant for life coaching, neither to discuss the financial potential of the cents
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
I second/third that ! There are many problems with saygus as a business, it surely has been overly reported here.

Maybe you guys can get creative and convert all that energy into scrutinizing the product with the small amount of info we have gotten along the way.

Is anybody concerned about the waterproof design?

I recall the lid doesnt have a gasket or seal, because there is nano coating magic (from hands-on videos), but how does nano coating protect the battery terminals and sd card slot terminals from water contact. The back doesnt seem to have seals around the battery or card slots, like the galaxy S5, or moto Defy.

It is pretty late in the game to not have it made and tested.

Anyone able to ask saygus via that tweeter thingy ?
[Saygus V²] renjithrc84:
Appreciate ur effort. but i doubt those are not the proper links to the page i mentio

Appreciate ur effort. but i doubt those are not the proper links to the page i mentioned.

I hav attached the link as a jpeg with this reply
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
+1

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+1
[Saygus V²] revolutionyzer:
Well , its gonna be the first device to get IP7X certification . And the specs are really promising !

If it is launching with reasonable cost , there are plenty reasons to consider it !
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
That's true and reasonable saying.

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I am ready to give them time upto June so that the outcoming phone might be super perfected by that time.I had placed the order only on last week.

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Thank you.So let us hope he would bring some good news for us.And Renjith,will you please send that link to my email please?
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Saygus at CeBIT 2015

Hey guys!

As Renjith already wrote, I'm going to visit Saygus at their booth at the CeBIT 2015 in Hannover tomorrow.

If you have any questions which I wouldn't ask myself, please write me.

Things about their roadmap, the camera and USB mystery I have already on my list of questions.

I won't do another video review, as there are enough out there already, but will try to get in touch with them and get a feeling of the device.

Will report back, as soon as possible.

Have a nice Sunday! :)
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I was thinking of a better flash to come with the phone. It would be much better if they have installed a Xenon flash instead of a lead light. :laugh:
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Being a nice and frequent gentle man in this thread from the starting itself you are quite aware of all the anticipations and doubts we have.So I think there is no need to make you aware of them again.Hence we are in the look out of your detailed report at the earliest with thanks....

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That would attract faster battery drain also.
[Saygus V²] renjithrc84:
All the best

I think my one and only question is when i will get the final finished product