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[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
This just means saygus is going to use qualcomm chips. Think of how many Microsoft 'Partners' there are. These 'Partners' are not a reflection of Microsoft.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
What is the source of the "Qualcomm Partnering" story???

Answer: Saygus.

ROFL!

So it is a pure lie just like the previous million lies.

They never produce anything except these three demo units.

They never had any manufacturer.

All lies over and over
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
Oh yeah, maybe you are right, but let us spin this thought further...

...if they never had a manufacturer, who is build the demo units?

Maybe it is a masked Xperia z3 or a Galaxy S5, only with a shell made from pressed paper and finished with a painting made from a chinese nail studio.

and already they've made our dream phone:D

Sorry for this senseless post but ive now really at the end of my brain.:eek:
[Saygus V²] slowpok22:
CNC machine, 3D printer, and some one to program both is all you need, harvest parts from other phones, doesn't seem that complicated.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
So you said. And distractedly keep saying.

Appearances are clearly deceptive as it might just be that complicated. Besides, the HD streaming seemed to be working well from inside the "faux" phone.
[Saygus V²] ProdigiousJordo:
For my last post. I got my money back! I believe I only made around $30 extra (US to Canadian), though no complaints. I got it back, I am happy with just that fact.

I'll continue to keep an eye on the forum but go back to my lurker ways. I wish for Saygus to release this phone as it will force other, more reliable companies to up their game but won't be holding my breath. Best of luck to all.
[Saygus V²] CHERRY63:
Update:

Received full refund long ago and phone still hasn't been put into buyers hands.....
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
There's a lot of new updates on the Team Saygus twitter. 2 Hands-on videos if you look for it.

I'm mainly interested in this part

That's because of the previous statement where they were going to go for a Snapdragon 820 for their next phone which is claimed to be out in December.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I don't want them to announce next device a few weeks later we got V2 (I hope we will get V2 in hand in Q1 of 2016)
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This bonus was there since first shipping delay. All the lies continue as usual, nothing new in SayLies company. Disgusting :mad:
[Saygus V²] finrod2007:
so we should comlain there and then they make something?
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
http://m.gsmarena.com/saygus_v2_wit...ly_start_shipping_this_quarter-news-16153.php
[Saygus V²] Huey:
You're going to need to qualify that with the year pretty soon :eek:
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Haha, i forgot to put year on my signature :)
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
from the sound of it saygus is moving toward having no one to blame but themselves. which i know has always been the case but they seem to be backing into a hole of sorts.
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
"It has been a great relief not having to count on the words from a partner who may or may not provide us with accurate details or updates." - Saygus Tweet ---> the most ironic thing I have read all year......
[Saygus V²] CHERRY63:
Look at my post #4729, this is what I did and they did refund my money, got alot of flak on this site for it but obviously I saw something know one else did at the time. By the time if it's released it will not be a decent competitor in 2016 when they promise release in the fall of 2015 now summer 2016???? LMAO! They're trying to rip you off by not honoring your request for refund and you want to haggle with them? Take it to the State of Utah and put pressure on them, here, there and everywhere. Their phone and their company will never amount to a good company hense how they are handling their customer relations right now, today, yesterday and since Fall 2015 when they promised their phone.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Here let me help you post this short post again

:laugh: :eek: :silly:
[Saygus V²] :
Hide tags are awesome! :silly:
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
I suppose. As a manufacturing engineer, I'm more sympathetic than angry about the recent events. There is stuff that just are out of your control that impacts you directly. Maunfacturing is a delicate process that takes months of R&D to iron out. The events that happened with Saygus is very typical of suppliers and the drama could've gotten worse by my experience. For something ambitious like what they're doing, I'm just happy they showed up at CES at all. They could've just cut their losses and vaporize. I see that in enough start-ups to know that's always the option. But sticking it out, investing more capital, and making an appearance at CES, and now MWC(their presence is confirmed on MWC's website)shows that they're invested in this. You don't throw around money the way they do just for show. Maybe it won't ever happen, but I've backed worse. But I can sort of see the resentment for many who aren't familiar with how capital injections work.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
all very good points. always best to have perspective of someone who has been there. that said i find it difficult to be sympathetic towards an entity that has disrespected me as a customer. it happens alot but that does not make it any easier.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
I'm more sympathetic about you and some kids who happily jump every time Saygus sends a new lie.

Some people just love to be abused.

That is their lives and I do feel sorry for them.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Its just a joke. Someone ask them what about delivery in Q1 and Saygus say they think. It show me, they are not sure. And if they be on MWC instead of sending the "awesome" phone to the customers.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I noticed this snippet in that above long post:

"We are reviewing your ticket and request for refund, normally refunds are not done through Indiegogo because customers are pledging a contribution."

Wow. Saygus apparently thought they were under zero obligation to fulfill any sort of consumer contract here, everything was just free money.
[Saygus V²] andrewia:
I try to be sympathetic to Saygus but their marketing needs to be more honest. They made it sould like they were designing the phone, not a Chinese ODM. They also need to accept that it's okay to post bad status updates instead of waiting for a while before letting us know.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
in order to bridge over a bit of time for those who are interested in a CPU-Comparison,

you can see here a really interesting test from all (more or less) current TOP processors in comparsion with the Snapdragon 801.

The funniest thing is that the 801 is often not the worst processor rather than a good "midrange" in the current top liga.

http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-810-vs-exynos-7420-vs-mediatek-helio-x10-vs-kirin-935-651633/

Nevertheless the 801 still is a old hardware who were sold us for the same price as a year ago. Despite of that i look forward to receive the V² in first quarter of this year.:cyclops:

Cheers
[Saygus V²] spd_rcr:
Indiegogo doesn't enforce any sort of deliverables which is why it's last on my list of places to fund anything where I expect goods in return. As much as I feel bad for people getting ripped off by Saygus, anyone who funded them through Indiegogo should really have done a little research into the company/product before throwing their money away.

I'd recommend contacting the Attorney General in Utah with a request to investigate Saygus or file a fraudulent charge with your CC provider. The longer you let it go, the harder it's going to be to get your money back because they're never shipping anything. If by some stroke of miracle, they do ship something, can you even imagine how crappy the product support would be!

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/complaint-form
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
thing is, saygus contributed the pre-order peoples money. i was told by a friend who had practiced law that when saygus did that then i had 90 days to ask for my pre-order back or it might be considered that i agreed with turning my order into a contribution and i would be bound by indiegogo terms. that is when i got out. in no way was i gonna allow my order to become a contribution.
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
Great news everyone. It looks like Saygus has starting shipping their product. Andreas has tweeted a pic of his shipment. https://twitter.com/andreas5232/status/691770973394227200. He didn't mention if it was the review or final product but at least this means that the indiegogo supporters will receive their product soon.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
To answer your question: I'm still just holding a regular pre order and haven't done any Indiegogo backing.

Got those shirts as "review products" and didn't order them anywhere. :)
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I see only ? T-shirts,

Where is the review or final phone unit??!!
[Saygus V²] bob90210:
Saygus product = T-shirts. See, it's funny because everyone is expecting a phone but Saygus ships a shirt instead.

I guess the joke fell flat. Just ignore the post and let's go back to *****ing about Saygus for the next year.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Saygus has talked a lot recently about their product being "washable". Will you do a review video for testing this feature?
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
how about a picture, full body, of the proud owner wearing a saygus t-shirt?
[Saygus V²] zathus:
Could you give us a small review? Is this shirt still visible in direct sunlight? Are you able to go the entire day with one shirt or does it require a change? What about the back of the shirt, does it come off? Have you dropped the shirt yet? How does it hold up? Looks really thin, how does it feel in the hand? Come on man, don't leave us in suspense
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Is it made by an American company and comfortably fit both males and females??
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
I think the bigger issue here is if the product has the same heating issues common to all black t-shirts. Studies have shown that the color black absorbs the most light wavelengths, and therefore is more prone to heating up vs white-colored counterparts. Just wondering if Saygus have found a way around this overheating issue.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Updated feature comparison!

I created an updated feature comparison list for Saygus. Someone should tell Saygus to update their twitter page.

[IMG="Saygus Comparison"]http://i.imgur.com/UjI6Z5S.png[/IMG]

(SATIRE created for satirical purposes only. No harm is intended by this post.)
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I was really counting on getting that free unicorn. I've never been so upset.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
How'd you determine the unicorn value?
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
As you can see in my highly scientific chart, the unicorn is already free, but I should have added that it's a benefit that only goes to SayBS supporters. :P
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Got it. Chart is much clearer now.
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
A very random update to the SayBS website. Not sure if it's a hint to the future of the V2

https://www.saygus.com/why-crowdfunded-smartphones-are-almost-always-doomed-to-failure/

Edit: Found the original article by Ryan Whitwam. Link below

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/2...artphones-are-almost-always-doomed-to-failure
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Good article, looks like it disappeared from saygus.com though. I do feel sorry for small companies trying to develop a new smartphone, but not really for Saygus since they intentionally lied to us so many times. They were never honest with us, even from the very start. But we've gone over that subject so many times on this thread.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Lot of new lies on Twitter. I loved that one about Chinese New Year:

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/697055476622561280

What Chinese New Year they are talking about if they brought all production and engineering back to Utah? Or they imported some Chinese engineers and workers to Utah and this new team had 3 weeks celebration in Saygus offices? Honestly, how do they write such BS in front of all of us? Such a dishonesty and disgrace. Disgusting!
[Saygus V²] leytens:
:good:

:good:

I say exactly the same on Twitter.... Regarding me another lie from Saygus/Andreas..... Just to let "simple" people still dreaming.....
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
omg! Chinese New year! Again! That's two years in a row!

Who ever would have seen that coming?
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
About 89 of the 96 pages in this thread saw that coming.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Do tell us what lies Andreas has told.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
Andreas is in the same "boat" as we all are, he only try to give us a little bit more information as saygus itself.

Nevertheless it is not his fault that the informations he received from saygus are not correct or better let me say "bull***t".

Furthermore it is currently really silent, not news, nothing.

Maybe it is the silence in front of a storm...

I hope we will get finally some news during the MWC.

At the moment it is really painful again, they tease us again and again.:eek:
[Saygus V²] SymbianRefugee:
Here is how an honest company explains their inability to delivery orders:

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-closure/
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Seriously Saygus V2 is dead. They tell about first 3.000 devices will be send next month. But FCC will be at second week on March. So they have to hurry up. to get the certification and send the devices out. What is when the certifaction dont pass? lets have a look at the prototypes at MWC. If you really look at them, u see they never have the possibility of waterproof now. because everywhere are open gap dimensions on phone.

and the next point is, hey samsung s7 is out , lg g5, mi5 (maybe the cheapest phone of these three) so why you should take the saygus now. who will be have the reason for. u can put up to 200 gb on the actually phones. u have the faster and more energy efficient processor. maybe the better cam.

if we take the s7 u have only the different about wifi hdmi to screen. and the you can change the battery. thats it? similar pricing of these phones. but u have a big company in backround.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Nice assumption, but you've probably missed the fact that the waterproofing if the V2 won't done by sealing the device (like Sony does). Saygus will be using a nano coating technology powered by HzO. See http://www.hzo.com/ for more details about it.

Where did you get the part about FCC certification from?
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
thanks for the Information. But it doesn´t matter if the waterproof would be realized by sealing the device. fact is the prototypes from MWC are far away from a device for the customer.

Honestly for me is the waterproofing something I didn´t need. It´s just a possible feature but I didn´t search for it. And I never want use it.

More important is, to stand for the words, for promises, and send out the device with any delays.

Before i saw no options. Now so many cool devices find the way on MWC. So I have so many options that saygus V2 are not anymore a device i want waiting for. I already wait from oct. 2014 until now. I think its enough of waiting.

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About FCC Certification.

"We expect to have the first 3,000 finished and ready in the first shipping phase next month," Sayers said. The phone will enter the FCC's testing labs the second week of March, he said. Take this with a grain of

salt.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2499862,00.asp
[Saygus V²] alpha-niner64:
Through Andreas; site. There are a few new pictures of the phone at MWC in a white variant. The newest thing I saw was the placement of the biometric sensor being placed close to the center of the right side of the phone along with the rearrangement of the buttons themselves. The back camera lens definitely is scratched up badly so it makes me wonder how often that specific phone was tossed around. It might be a good idea to use a harder material for the lens, similar to what Apple did for their 5S phone.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Um that new white device was shown here

[YOUTUBE]WB4aqLX0leM?list=PLCnuuP2AWw6tQvOsX8seiyBDQ2QUxUNiE[/YOUTUBE]

CES2015
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Thanks for the video. Guy on the video says that this piece of crap is of terrible construction quality, nightmarish cameras, main camera is total disaster, frontal one is simply bad. This engineering example is total catastrophe.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I find that hilarious. That came directly from Andreas' site linked above.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I think saygus kind of backed themselves into a corner with their timing. They couldn't get a mostly working unit together by the MWC but they had to show up or they'd lose a lot of credibility. But now I have to wonder if they will ever have all the features they listed or if this is the Vphone all over again. I was looking at the blackberry passport, it interests me.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
Yeah I think I'm gonna wait at least one more week... If nothing is posted on social media that hasn't already been posted or emailed to us I may bail out...
[Saygus V²] Vapour_909:
If you go for a refund, let us know how the process goes and if they give you any grief. Thanks!
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
How we wish Saygus is reading this forum right now! Can we like just please them to read this forum! :)

Yes we have all sort of information coming from all kind of sources but ultimately Saygus themself have to account to us all our concerns officially. Yet they are not doing it.

To me it doesn't matter if they lack the manpower to get things done but communication to customers is very important. It will either make it or break it (just as this forum has shown).

So Saygus, on behalf of all customers, please do us a favour, do yourself a favour....

Keep us constantly update with information. Even if its a delay, let us know. We will appreciate prompt information more than anything else. If you think its gonna be a vapourware, please let us know earlier so we can prepare to invest in other smartphones (but we still think Saygus V2 is awesome nonetheless).

Thank you very much Team Saygus. Looking forward to your reply.

Guys, I am just curious. Do all major brands showcase their finished products during CES and/or MWC? Samsung, HTC have their fully function phone on display during MWC?
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
I typed up a cancellation, but I think I'll wait another week as well.

As far as what else might be interesting...nothing jumps out at me. My N5 is still trucking along (albeit with some weird "sparkles" along one side of the display), so I'm probably going to wait to see what OnePlus is releasing next. This phone had a lot of features that made me want to jump on it as a worthy successor to my N5, but I don't actually need a new phone right now.
[Saygus V²] BiffTirkle:
I sent saygus a message about needing more hype. I included a link to this forum. I didn't threaten to close out my pre-order, mostly because I've already got a good adequate phone. So I can wait as long as they pull through before too long. A pre-order on a phone has to happen in weeks not months.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
We just have to wait what will happen in the next few days after the MWC 2015 is finished.
[Saygus V²] MoveAlong77:
I wasn't realistically expecting delivery before the middle of April. When that comes around, I'll reevaluate. I'm not worried about getting my money back. If Saygus gives any difficulty with that, my CC will take care of it quickly. I will say it was pretty shady of them to actually charge my CC and not be up front about it. Standard procedure would have been to only charge upon shipping.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'm under the impression that saygus needed the pre-order money to start production
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
What's working now that wasn't working at ces? I don't see any advancement yet. And that is not reassuring. No one's even showed that the 2 sd cards will work :/.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I don't see camera app ,this time,on homepage
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
To my knowledge nothing new is working, the phones just look better, cleaner

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I'm in the same boat, April 15th was what I had in mind and I'm good with that. I do think if it goes much longer than that saygus should offer pre-orders a token of good faith in form of a free additional back cover, free express shipping or some other perk or accessory to encourage continued support and patience.
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
I see no reason to keep my pre-order at this time... I missed out on the battery and screen protector... and the 50 dollars off... There is no incentive to keep my pre-order... also they billed me instantly? without even a confirmation of when its going to ship... Thats completely ridiculous in my eyes.

I don't think free shipping would make me stay nor would accessories or perks, I want to see the phone progressing not just this same old Wireless HD that I will probably never use.

Another note is they continue to show the same stupid game on Wireless HD... Why not show other games as well?
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I'd agree if you need the money back or need a phone very soon.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
Honestly I feel like I've been one of the few patient and chill people waiting for this thing. I'm about #600 in the pre-orders. I don't mind waiting for a bit long but if it comes to june the oneplus 2 might be announced/out... April is about the latest I really want to wait for my next phone. the biggest issue I'm having is how far the phone hasn't come since CES.
[Saygus V²] hormazdm:
No cancellation option on Saygus website

Have pre-ordered the Saygus V2 and they have already charged my cc for that. At present I don';t even see a cancellation option on the Saygus webiste. In their terms and conditions Saygus had mentioned that we can cancel the order within 30 days of placing it. Well, 30 days have passed and I do not see any cancellation or refund option on the website.

Anybody else face the same problem??
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I hear ya. I'm in the 600's as well. I'm on the fence about this one to be honest. If they had good news, they would have posted it, so it makes me worried that things are not going well. I really love the idea of this phone, but I'm wondering now if the specs were over sold before they did their research. Maybe Saygus hasn't changed since their previous flop. Their lack of communication is making that more and more plausible.

But for now, I really, really hope that I'm wrong. I've been holding onto my Galaxy S3 for years waiting for a worthy successor, and the V² (as advertised) is the first phone that really looked like a truly next generation phone (not just an iteration on ideas that had already been done). I understand that building something so totally new is difficult to do, and will take some time.

So I can wait a little longer, but every silent day from Saygus, and every random reboot and low battery warning from my S3 make me less and less inclined to continue waiting.
[Saygus V²] adamo86:
I think by the first of April I will cancel my order. I think it's incorrect of them taking money from customers this early. They should of started preorder now realistically.
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
I say stay the course... In life there will always be risk and if we don't support the initiative, how can Saygus make it? We all no with any major initiative, there is the possibility of delays which could cause setbacks... I know we have invested a lot up front but so has everyone at Saygus... Look they are trying do, what we want the major manufacturers to do and that is to create a smart phone with all the features we want not what the manufactures want... Yes, I would like a little more updates as well on where everything stands but I can only dream of doing what Saygus is actually attempting to do and that is make us the super smart phone...
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
This is because Andreas don't know Russian. If he was understand Russian he would never publish the link to this review, because this review doesn't make any honour to Saygus, especially the video part.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Is Andreas still promoting for Saygus?

Really?

I wonder if he is the only one who got the T-shirt !