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[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
So they're ready to ship....but not shipping. This company is a joke.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
My reply from their Email support:

RE: Question

Saygus Information Der Kontaktliste hinzufügen 00:38 Behält diese Nachricht oben im Posteingang.

An: xyz

Info@Saygus.com

We do not have a ship date as of yet, once we have a ship date then we

will send out an email to everyone who has purchased a phone. We are sorry

for the delay and appreciate your patience.

Thank you

The Saygus Team

On Sun, November 1, 2015 12:51 pm, xyz wrote:

Hey,

you talk about Friday you will give an update. But again nothing more then

lies.

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so I cant understand, why the email support told the same phrases like always. And some guys get informations about they will ship the next days.
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
You would of think they would be "transparent" if any of those info were concrete ! :mad:

The silence on twitter is ... :confused:
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Because they are bunch of liers and nothing more! :mad:
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
i am wondering that no one post something like that on twitter. Only what I think, all people give up.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Well refunds are still being processed. Got my confirmation and 10-day warning yesterday :fingers-crossed:
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
if 5000 customers would take their refund. Saygus would have had a seriously problem.
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Especially since they only have 2000 pre orders or so, judging from the raised amount on indiegogo.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I think that they initially had more than 5000 orders. Now I'm assuming it has greatly diminished.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
It is because twitter guy not received his salary and just vanished.

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Andreas wrote 2 days ago:

Looks like that Saygus corporate policy is "Lie it down!"
[Saygus V²] blhd2:
I'm not a lawyer, but you'd think with all of the breaches in agreements/promises, we'd all have a case against Saygus. Absolutely the worst communication from a Company who you'd think would want adopters and communities such as here on XDA to be their promoters.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I'm ready to step with you in any class action case against them.

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Phones shipped :

"Support Agent

SamuelHello. My name is Samuel, How can i help you today?

ClientHello, when will you ship the phones?

SamuelHi there.

As per the latest update from management, shipment has already started this week. You will be notified via email with more shipping options when your order is ready for delivery.

It would be best to contact our main office in Utah for your delivery schedule since I have limited information here on my end. You can call them via this number: +1 801 748 1780"
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
There is bunch of fresh lies on twitter. The only thing they don't promise is Lamborgini Diablo for everyone: free killer bonus, WiHD, shipping in 2 weeks, certification very soon, still tuning cameras. In short - usual crap and some more empty promises.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
saygus might be having an increase in cancels over the baseline normal number and is doing what they hope will slow it down. the common theme in the tweets seems to be rewarding those who do not cancel. they have done similar tweet bombing, a barrage of tweets, on the phone is shipping soon, many times before. i like the one that went "any day now, or couple of weeks" trying to push out judgement day, the day that saygus spits out some reality. or maybe they won't. but i gotta think this can't go on forever.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
I read the Twitter messages, wow Saygus make a fun of the people. hahaha they really f..k them over. I cant believe how brazenly they were.

First they say latest on end of Oct. (I didnt explain all lies before only present delays)

The people from support they already some phones were send this week. Then they you have to call the HQ for more information. then int Twitter messages they talk about delay some days or some weeks. What the f.... hahahaha.

A lot of people ask for the reasons of delay. of course no answer. Already no certification, how can the phones be send this week to some people without certifications.

next is someone ask for delay because of delivery or not pass. the answer, "yes logistic the phone is a ROCKET" hahaha whaaaattt they wind up the people.

sad is that a lot of people believe them. they talk about freebies, than the people wow i hope HD dongle yes yes like a stupid kid. very sad how they play with the hopes of the people and with their money.

u will see they wont write again for 1 till 3 weeks till the people get crazy again. not normal this company. the badest i ever seen in my life.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
People are STILL arguing(discussing) the Saygus v2 on here? Damn, you ARE dedicated :)

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[Saygus V²] aspid667:
We are Saygusoholics Anonymous. :cool:
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Seems like V^2 has become kind of an addiction to many (including myslelf). Many users keeps refreshing the twitter page every 10 minute, hoping for an update and so on. Even people who clearly hates Saygus as a company still hold on to the pre-orders, and keep on posting on xda or twitter. Some people claim its outdated because of the processor, but is still unable to leave.

I think I will try to forget about V^2 for a while, and only check for news once a week or so until its either released, or confirmed Vaporware. Hopefully my abstinence will go away after some days.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Actually I'm little bit scared after these recent twitter posts, especially from "free killer bonus". Who is going to kill whom? Why for free? And why it is called bonus?
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Killer bonus is the slow charging mobile phone CHARGER. Because the phone does not come with a charger when purchased.:cool:
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I'm following Saygus because it is just like watching a long TV series, and I'm now looking forward to knowing what is going to happen in the last episode.
[Saygus V²] guent_peer:
Unfortunately the last episode is subdivided in many parts - nobody knows in how many...
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Since it is Saygus soap opera we'll cry at the end of last episode. At least those who will survive "free killer bonus".
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
For those not following the Facebook page... Hoping that this is not the faith of Saygus but it does make sense unfortunately.

Discussion time:

Hello guys,

Most of you read the latest Saygus desperate tweets. Before that, they promised to ship by the end of October. We sat up a poll and most of you voted for that date would be another Saygus lie.

I recently had a conversation with one of Saygus employee (I promised not to mention his/her name), he/she actually was so honest and respectful. He/she let me know that Saygus currently has 9 employees in Utah and three more moving between Utah and China. The representative also told me that Saygus is now facing a big financial problem and the management is seeking a way to exit this trouble. Project progress is almost stopped.

I'm not sure how accurate this info is!

But, let's have a discussion here.

What is going to happen next?

What do you think about the future of this company?

Do you have any idea about the final episode?

I'm really interested to know the opinion of Saygus strong believers or defenders?

Andreas Erhard Ivan Javora Zachary Griffee Devin Gibson Courtney O'Connor Mat Pxl Edson Lima Arun Disodia Steven Richard Jillian Lough PN Sasidharan ..

I wish Josh Werner and Alicia De Lion were also here.

Please other members, let the discussion be positive and respectful.
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
This info is very concerning. I give Saygus ALOT of crap, mostly on twitter, but have yet to ask for a refund in hopes of actually getting the phone at some point. I'm the type that would scream their praises even louder if given the chance or reason. If I knew that, even with all their trouble, I would get a refund (@ order #1100) if the phone never ships or the company folds, then I would hang on longer.

Could someone in the know shed some light on this? I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. I realize this was/is all a risk from the start, but I do want to try and protect myself and my investment as much as possible.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Actually nothing new. They are so disrespectful to their customers that instead of telling the truth they are feeding us with endless lies. Pathetic loosers and cheaters.
[Saygus V²] mklpickle:
Could you put the fb page link here? I'm probably following the wrong one.
[Saygus V²] laissez-meh:
Frankly the reason why I hang on is the interesting materials used, unique design & dual sim/dual SD/dual boot capability. Also, it's nice/refreshing to support a new company & not some billion dollar enterprise.

Even so, as mentioned earlier, I'm more of a consumer than an investor and would like to see an end product, and unsurprisingly wary of the security of my investment.

I do feel left out and cheated by the strategy they've taken of postponing, and fibbing to cover problems that they've had. An open honest forum would've helped keep a lot of their investors I think. But hindsight is lost here.

I wish them the best, and will remain ever hopeful for the next few weeks that something will materialise. I kind of hope I'm not the only gullible idiot too!
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
When is the next update and what is going to have?
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I've tried to contact the author of that statement in order to verify it or proof it wrong. He just messaged me back, that he didn't call the office and can't disclose his source. He has removed his post now and addtionally deleted his whole Facebook account now, so I assume that there is something fishy with it.

In case you're "Christopher Musawi" and are reading this: your behaviour seems very strange to me. You may contact me by PM or email, if you want to explain it to me.

The review units are being kept back right now, since they are waiting for the FCC approval, which has been filed by an external certification company and is marked as confidential, so you can't see it online.

As they already posted on Twitter there will be some additional accessories shipped within the box, as a compensation for the extra long wait.

Personally I don't care how much employees they have, since I'm in for the phone and not for the company. If they release the phone in the end and had just 10 employees, they made a good job.

Additionally everyone who's still hanging in should have realised by now, that Saygus is just kinda small startup company and their success is still uncertain.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Okay, This guy couldn't verify the previous info.

He is honest, but Saygus is not.

That does not make any difference with me because Saygus was always lying.

"I just deleted my last post because some of you took the information in it as a clear fact.

Actually, I clearly stated that "I'm not sure how accurate is the previous info".

I couldn't verify whether that person really works with Saygus or not.

So It was just a discussion post that unfortunately one of you took it way further and started to throw bad words on me.

We all know that Saygus lied many times on us and they clearly proved they are an incompetent team; However, I didn't want to say probable false info about them.

Thank you for being respectful!

I apologize for any inconvenience."
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Saygus is just a small startup company??

Start up?

I guess their first vaporware 1 was announced six years ago. Am I wrong?

So weird that you are still defending them after that long way of deception, lying, false promises.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
"I'm waiting, yes I'm a captive fan." (c) ;)
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
good to hear that they have filed for certification. we should know something about shipping within the week. unless, fcc is gonna be the next problem whipping boy. the ole, being held up in certification routine that saygus was famous for 6 years ago. one way or the other the end of this long dance is finally upon us. either the owners have the units by end of year or it really is what saygus is so famously known for, vaporware.
[Saygus V²] Huey:
Refund received on 9th November (so same day!). This rollercoaster of waiting has cost me £7.75 in the end, but will still keeping a watching brief on proceedings :cyclops:
[Saygus V²] crazedgod:
Hi Andreas,

Why would you continue to take up for Saygus? Time after again they've deliberately lied to customers; made them believe that the phone just about to be delivered, only to have an excuse why it could not be. The whole thing sounds exactly like what happened with their first vapourware.

To quote pcmag - "They've learned a lot about building and sourcing phones in China, and have put sufficient staff in Shenzhen to oversee production, something that was a big problem with the original VPhone." This was on 8th Jan - 2 months before the first of the "delays with production components". In May, they actually sent an email out on May 16 saying they would be sending out the shipping along with some additional information. Not surprisingly the "additional information" was that there was another delay - due to "issues with the manufacturing partner". Didn't they just learn a lot with their previous "phone"?

To me it could only be 1 of 2 things - the first that it's run by a bunch of idiots who have no clue what they're doing. The second is that it's run by a bunch of extremely smart people who know exactly what they're doing - and that's not making a phone. 6 years ago they kept saying the phone is coming for 2 years before going underground - they're no start up. In fact they've been around from 2006 - as PSNet trying to make a phone. 9 years is a long time to finally get something right.

While I do think they "may" eventually release a phone, the specs are going to be outdated - 801 is just not going to cut it in 2017.

So back to where I started from - Andreas, what is it that makes you believe that Saygus will actually deliver and deliver soon?
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
wow, have not checked this thread for so long, cant believe the phone is still going to be released?!?! are there any new gifts promised or upgraded hardware?
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Yes! They offered us a "Killer Bonus". Check Twitter.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
This instantly came to mind.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
No! No! No! Don't check Twitter! Bonus may kill you! :eek:
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
Even if the device is ship ( this year ? ).

... I got chill thinking about software/hardware supports afterward ( the way their communication ethics has shown ) ... Good luck to those who have patience ;) , You're going to need it ! :fingers-crossed:
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Promises since the first start. What kind of company do that. and i remember the some small issue that they told us on 22nd of May. Some connecting issue. Now we have November. Still lies over lies.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
now that we have been informed by a saygus insider [andreas5232] that the device entered certification by fcc just prior to 11/12 it should not be more than a week after that date that saygus device either passed or failed. (actually much less than that most of the time, many units take a couple days at most). So we should know by 11/20 at the very latest date if it passed or failed. then i guess it is on to google and the carriers. but another point to make is that saygus could be shipping this unit now to many customers in areas that are not under fcc jurisdiction if it is actually finished. anyway, a large percentage of cellphones worldwide never get fcc certification and are being sold and used. it's my thinking that if we do not hear something about the fcc issue by friday then it is most likely another lie. not to say andreas5232 is lying but that the info given to him by saygus was another lie. anywho , i would expect andreas5232 to certainly followup on the fcc issue promptly when the info is provided to him, which should happen in 2 or 3 days max.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
Remember: "weeks, not months"? So now it became "months, not years".
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Who is andreas5232 and why he is an insider? How we know this? Sorry I am just new enough to ask that.

If pages like, engadget or inside-handy and so on nothing report about saygus so they are far away from shipping.
[Saygus V²] courtneyomg:
Well I officially got my refund and Saygus lost there rebuttal they submitted through IG on Saturday, but immediately after sending me that email, I got another email saying that my account has been frozen... I replied 5 minutes after I reviewed the email(s) but I'm still waiting on their reply.

Maybe IG should actually vet these potential campaign owners and their back stories before approving their respective campaigns... But IG is probably overrun with CC chargebacks for Saygus' disastrous handling of this project so I can't say I'm too surprised they're fuming lol
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
andreas5232 is a fellow in germany that started a webpage dedicated to all things saygus and the v2 very early on. i think probably in feb 2015. he stated a few times that he has direct contact with people at saygus and at times has provided information that he says comes directly from somebody at saygus. i provided the term "insider" since he often describes himself as having access to information inside saygus. if the webpage is still up you can find a link from some of his posts.

try this

http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=5122214

http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2

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i do not understand why they allowed saygus to place other peoples money [the pre-order folks] as pledges to igg campaign without checking with the individuals first. to me it bordered on criminal conspiracy to misuse funds, but to argue that with them, which i tried to do at first, was fruitless.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, BUT Mr. Andreas kept promoting Saygus lies from February and until now.

Why didn't he ask Saygus before for a single time ''Why did you lie, Saygus?"

He just kept spreading false information over and over again just like Saygus. Either intentionally or non-intentionally, the false info and promises persisted to flow.

Due to all of this he put himself as one of Saygus family, and he became vulnerable to criticism just like other Saygus members.

Sorry I can not take him seriously anymore. He didn't acknowledge or explain any of previous Saygus lies and keep defending them for no reason.

By the way, Alicia De Lion (One of Saygus team and was a member of a very loyal Facebook fans page) promised that shipping will start a month ago, and she made a conference call with the Admin of that group and Saygus CEO "Chad Sayers". In addition, she promised Andreas that his review unit will be sent three weeks ago.

What happened now?

She left that group and vanished and no one knows why!
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
No need to blame Andreas - he is true victim of those Saygus cheaters, may be even more than others, because it looks like that he still believes in all this SayCrap.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Even though my contributions here have significantly decreased, I'm still keeping an eye on this lovely thread. :D

Ofcourse Saygus isn't a brand new company, but I've used "startup" in terms of company size, experience and position on the market. ;)

Didn't expect this to be misleading.

Hi crazedgod,

first of all thank you for your message!

I'm sorry for the relatively late reply. Been busy with University stuff, work and 'life'.

To answer your main question:

Personally I can't tell when shipping will start, because there has been to much unreliable information spread by them. Saygus needs to get some review units out or at least provide some recent pictures/videos, before they'll probably start mass shipping. Additionally they wanted to give people a chance to add accessories, correct shipping addresses and pay shipping costs. So overall it may take another 2-3 weeks, until we finally receive our pre ordered devices.

Those wrong shipping dates I spread several times until now, have been provided to me by Saygus. I've never wanted to mislead anyone or to spread known lies, but I have to admit that this is more than far away from a positive company-customer relation and definitely not the right way to treat it's valuable customers.

I hope this answers your question.

Best wishes from Germany,

Andreas

I'm not able to spread any information, which I don't have. So it's primary depending on Saygus, when you will get some news regarding FCC testing. To be honest, I wouldn't expect such a fixed timeline from them, since you need always some more salt as we know from the past.

However I still hold my pre order and don't doubt, that they're trying to bring a smartphone to the market, but right now I don't know when they'll be ready. Hopefully this odyssey will end very soon and we don't need to wait as long for the V² as for Duke Nukem Forever....

As someone already stated somewhere: I didn't expect to buy myself a Christmas present when pre ordering the Saygus V2 in February. :D

^^ In case you're wondering. Nope, that's no hidden clue.

As usual: I'll keep you posted through my website, Twitter, IRC, this thread and the Facebook groups.

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Just to make one thing clear: I edited some parts of it, but I definitely haven't added my name to that Wikipedia page.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
my point, Andreas, is that if the device was placed into the fcc channel at some time before 11/12 then there should be some information as to the result by the end of this week. fcc certification is not a long drawn out process unless there are problems with the device. so, if saygus is providing you with information about the process starting then there is a short time frame for the initial result and there would be an expectation of hearing something fairly soon. my personal opinion is that if saygus in fact placed the device in the process prior to 11/12 the initial decision as to pass or fail has already been made. this is based on what i have read about other devices entering the process, many pass through in a few days. i can not think of a reason that saygus would want to hold back a pass on the certification, in fact i would think they would want to blast that news out on all available channels as it would help to keep customers.
[Saygus V²] aspid667:
I hardly doubt that Saygus even produced anything so far. It would be cool if somebody could check it with NTD, but I don't expect them to dismiss such kind of information, unless one bribes somebody from inside.
[Saygus V²] jackpot82:
Expect the prototypes they have nothing. Thats it. The people lost their money.

Like what I say before, they write in Twitter awesome things of no significance. A lot of people give a reaction and never get a reply. this game they play from 22nd of May.

Just faking company.
[Saygus V²] Makavelli-:
I am also wondering that we have not seen any kind of evidence that they have really produced a functioning phone.

No pictures from production, no videos or anything else, although they have promised so often that they would give us some new videos or else.

I have intentionally excluded the demo videos for "sunlight screen" and the "harman speakers" because the expressiveness of these videos are not really good and if you maybe noticed, all the phones have still the old saygus logo in front of the display and on the back. (expect the photoshop phone on their website :p)

So, not a single right evidence for a complete finished and working phone... and we guys are waiting and waiting... Thats Strange, right?:mad:
[Saygus V²] Huey:
...but not necessarily about it completing.

...indeed there may be. Anyone found it yet? Doesn't mean Andreas will be the first to know. He's done what he can so far with what he knows :good: