yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Saygus V²] AdamColligan:
I'm tired of the contradictory narratives that apologize for Saygus

When Saygus is in silent mode:

Look guys, this is a really small, tight-knit company. Everyone has to wear several hats, and they don't have time to spend on customer communication because those same people are working hard managing minute, intricate technical and operational tasks. They know exactly what's going on, and if it's off track you would know, but you can't expect them to keep publicly releasing incremental details. Any public release is always delicate and demands skill, certainty, and close attention. These dual-use workers are professional enough to know when they don't have the bandwidth required to do it right and so hold off because in general everything is still on track since the last update.

When Saygus periodically emerges to offer false, way-overdue, and/or ridiculously vague communication:

Look, guys, this is a big, sprawling, decentralized operation. You can't expect dedicated marketing and public relations people to continuously digest the available technical or operational information about the product's status and determine when a delay is likely. Stop accusing them of concealing information when they were obviously blindsided by the last-minute snags just like the customers were. They probably just didn't understand the meaning of what the technical people were telling them, since the technical people are so steeped in minutiae and not trained to communicate the big picture.

and/or

Besides, you can't expect that technical and operational managers actually employed by Saygus to be sunk so far into minute, intricate technical tasks that they can predict weeks in advance that there might be an assembly line problem with the antenna. These are 30,000-foot operational types whose job is to choose trustworthy suppliers, see the big picture, and tell the non-technical marketing people when there's a problem with the big picture. Some supplier or assembly line contractor clearly failed in a way that they couldn't reasonably have seen coming, and so they were blindsided at the last minute and couldn't warn their public relations staff.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Alternative options topic?

Maybe [MENTION=990284]TonyStark[/MENTION] or another mod can help me on this one. I want to start a topic about alternatives to the V2 for those jumping ship. I don't know if that's "off-topic" for the Saygus V2 forum or not, if not, where can we start one?

BTW, if you're OK with no fingerprint scanner and Snapdragon 801, S5 Active looks like a good option to me. (I'm assuming the S6 Active will be carrier-exclusive at launch or at least cost-inhibitive.)
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
You can post in the same section as this thread is in (General) or so you don't get flamed, bring it up in the V2 lounge... That is a flame retardant thread:good:
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Yeah I'm kind of thinking starting a thread that is "anti-Saygus" in the Saygus forum is kind of flame-bait, but a dedicated thread would be useful for people looking specifically for other options. So here goes: http://xdaforums.com/saygus-v2/general/alternatives-to-t3114482
[Saygus V²] ridcully1:
me either!

:D
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
I called Saygus. No one of the management team are in there. The person who replied my call does not know where they are and she said that she did not see anyone since weeks. She also does not have any idea about the latest update.

Call on this number 801-748-1780

What is happening here??
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
I have a bad feeling that those of us who decided to jumped ship recently won't get our "refund ticket" answer in a timely manner as history has shown, and things will go even further past then those who "eventually" get their V2 ...etc

result -->> no device due to refund requested in progress/unanswer

-->> no money...well, MUCH later ??

:eek::eek::rolleyes:
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
For what it's worth, great article written/released today from

phoneArena.com...
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
28m28 minutes ago

Team Saygus*‏@Saygus

[MENTION=5562990]cgo[/MENTION]utam [MENTION=671873]ferguson[/MENTION]josiah1 [MENTION=238571]hassan[/MENTION]02812269 That's fair! This time around we'll only promise what WILL happen. Thanks for ur support [MENTION=5562990]cgo[/MENTION]utam

......... as apposed to what? ! Empty promises and lies?

Bless you people and your patience that preordered. I'm totally serious.

Hopefully it's only a week or two delay. Stay positive because at this juncture that's all there is.

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And who are you to tell others what they should do?

Everyone has a right to express themselves.

Stop crying and don't read those posts.
[Saygus V²] vertigo_2_20:
I gave them a day to see if they would miraculously get their sh*t together, but I've had enough and finally requested a refund. Maybe if the phone ends up not being vaporware I'll buy it, but I doubt it, since I'll likely have settled on something else by then, as I'm sick of waiting and sick of using the Windows phone I got as a temporary holdover. Also, I just can't support a company that's this terrible, and as many have mentioned, if it's this bad now, what's the after sale support going to be like? I included my chat transcript below, and there are two interesting things to note. First, at the end of the first line, is the confirmation of what I already knew: "Samuel Rhodes" is really some guy, or more likely a group of men and women (kids?), by a different name sitting in a call center halfway around the world. Second, even though I had it email me the transcript of the conversation, it cut off the last bit after I gave him my info (I didn't copy that part) where he said the refund was processed. How convenient. At least the top of the email says it's referencing a refund request. (EDIT: 14 minutes later I got the email of the transcript that I requested, so the first was sent by Saygus when the refund request was processed. Interestingly, the one I requested has my local time on the first line instead of the Asia/Shanghai time.) Also, I typed things out in notepad and copy/pasted them into the chat to see if it would have any effect as discussed earlier. As you can see, it didn't seem to.

Chat transcript:

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Samuel Rhodes (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:39:58 am Asia/Shanghai)

Hello. My name is Samuel Rhodes, How can i help you today?

Client (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:40:19 am)

I want a refund for my preorder.

Samuel Rhodes (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:40:45 am)

Do you mind if I ask you why you would like a refund?

Client (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:41:17 am)

http://xdaforums.com/saygus-v2/general/saygus-v2-thinking-getting-one-maybe-t2996443/

Client (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:41:30 am)

Read the last dozen or so pages of that and you'll understand why.

Client (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:41:59 am)

I'm sick of being struck along with little to no communication and a bunch of lies.

Client (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:42:18 am)

This whole situation has felt like a scam for a while now, even more now, and I just want out.

Samuel Rhodes (Fri, 5/22/2015, 05:42:36 am)

Apologies for the inconvenience. May I have your order number and email address please?

Different folks, different strokes, but I can tell you, as mentioned above, I have a Windows phone as a temporary one until I get a replacement Android phone, as it was cheap and I figured it would give me an opportunity to try it out, and I'm so glad I did. Not because I like it, but because I hate it, and now I know. There are so many things wrong with it, I wouldn't even know where to begin. Within less than a week I wanted to get rid of it. And the more I use it, the more I hate it. Just saying.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I'm sticking around and from what I can see everybody that asks for a refund is one phone faster in my hands.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Just joking. And I say this with a light heart.

But which phone faster in your hands? LOL. :p
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
well I take really good care of my devices so my 2 year old S4 still looks and work like new. I'm not stuck but anxious to have the V2. Not saying I like delay but I can wait. ;)
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Just purely, entirely curious at this point....what is it about this entire process that still gives someone faith/belief this phone is going to exist? It's baffling consumer psychology at this point.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I've done worst decisions in my life and no other phone catches my interest. (this is my only thread). The phone is currently paid for so now I wait.
[Saygus V²] NexVision:
It's the i've already waited this long already I don't need the cash right now so I can wait a little longer. I was in that boat as well but after the way the company has handled themselves I want nothing to do with them and requested my refund.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Support for software/hardware defects is the deal breaker for me, not interested anymore in this phone.

Sent from my M8.
[Saygus V²] dkryder:
hi,

curious as to why you refer to it as an awesome piece of hardware. has it ever been working beyond a main screen and the video wifi?
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
I week delay is very ambitious. I hope so. But who knows. Someone posted FCC filings a few pages back. No V2. I don't know. It seems strange.

I really wish they would be honest. At least vaguely honest. If they can't even give an estimated date then something is really wrong here. Hopefully by Saturday they can update the situation.

If the devices are still being assembled why doesn't the phone show up as filed under the FCC. If they reached agreements with any GSM carriers in the US they will need FCC approval.

And the device needs to be network tested? Well, who's network?

My gut feeling tells me the device was probably finished last week as a fully working device and they haven't even started production yet. I bet they are running tests now and will most likely start production next week or maybe two weeks from now. I don't see them shipping earlier than mid June.

I feel bad for pre order people. Even I hate these delays. Even though it doesn't have the latest processor, it's still the best overall device IMO......."if in fact it's 100% ready"
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I just received another email by SayBs:

We apologise for the delay shipping. In exchange for your patience, and to say thank you, we will offer all of our current customers an added bonus. Customers will receive a "V2 mobile phone charger" to charge your phone. Since the box only contain the V2 mobile phone and the SqGl headset. Thank you for your continued support.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
You could be right.

My impression though was a last minute clusterf*ck happened. So whatever their timeline was it got shot to **** (though their timeline was massively tight in the first place) right at the last minute. Chad was on vaca but I'm pretty sure it was him doing those follow up Tweets yesterday (my time) trying to get his head wrapped around what was going on. Evidenced by even some of the "Samuel Rhodes" live chat people not having a clue about the email going out.
[Saygus V²] UnicornKaz:
You're kidding right ? :eek:

Please, tensions are high... we don't need false info...etc

I can't remember when was the last time I bought a new device without the stock charger !!

Now they are making it sounds like it's a "BONUS" ??

:mad::mad: :rolleyes:
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
I love the notion that people accept that somehow all the Saygus bigwigs took vacation literally RIGHT before they planned to release their product. Pure comedy. If it's true....that these guys all took vacay the week or two before the "promised" ship date of 5/22......then that is one of the most outrageous business decisions I've ever heard of.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
I've been a Saygus supporter for a while now. Yes, I've been on Saygus' side of the ring for some time, but now I'm kinda just the referee. I paid $550 three months ago for pre-order, and I got nothing else to do with that money. I got no other phone I want :/. My fallback plan is going to be g4. I'm not backing out until the end. though.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
And I love you too. Chad is one person. Not "all the Saygus bigwigs".

Classic example of people misreading/trying to blow up the thread kiddies :)

Just remember: Don't feed the Trolls
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
False. There are multiple people who have posted right here in this thread their actual chat logs over the past week or two, as well as numerous testimonials of people that have called Saygus and spoke to some lady, who have all been told everyone was on vacation. I just find the timing of that "vacation" to be comical, IF it's true.
[Saygus V²] Sam K:
Maybe they're all in China overseeing the manufacturing? I know I'm being optimistic here but I'm just trying to positive.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
It's definitely not a good idea for anyone in that company to take a vacation weeks before product release.

Anyway........ hopefully it's a small delay. Although a few red flags have already been raised.

This device is becoming such a damn tease. Because it's everything I want in a phone.

The next week will be interesting.
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
The contradiction in that is obvious...

But thanks for playing :)
[Saygus V²] bveditz:
So, having looked at these phones as well, I only have a little bit to add. I actually ordered the Asus Zenfone 2 when they had that 1 day sale through Aliexpress (about $330 for the high-end model)... but then later that day after going through all the reviews, I decided to cancel the order. The determinations for me was the Camera and speaker mostly, as well as the battery. The 4GB RAM was really intriguing as well as a few other features, but it really just struck me as a mid-range phone with a couple high-end specs... specifically that 4GB ram. Also, for me, the removable battery was important.

The Note 4 is nice, but seems a bit big to me. While the camera is really good, it's really good for the last gen flagship devices... it's not equivalent to the S6 or G4. If that's not important, you probably couldn't go wrong with that...

the G4 is where I'm currently residing myself. It has the stuff that's important to me, even though I'm not excited about the G4 design (rear buttons and large screen). Since Samsung and LG have set the new standard for Phone Cameras, I'm hoping more options will come out in the next few months. Maybe something will show up at Google IO, which is in a couple weeks.

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It's been my experience also that the wireless charger itself can be the issue also. Those cheap ebay ones don't work as well with more distance between the coils where-as some of the higher end ones work better... not sure why though.

I have a setup in my car where I mounted one to a bracket, mounted the bracket on the ashtray, then placed one of those sticky mats on it. My old wireless charging pad worked really well no matter where I placed it, but the plug broke so I picked up another one from ebay and the new one is no where near as good... I had to place the sticky mat in a specific spot so that I would place the phone in the right area quickly... I might just break down and get a better wireless charging pad later... I know some of the pads have multiple coils that help with the placement issue... I haven't tried those.
[Saygus V²] hormazdm:
Guys I feel lets just stick to the discussions and comments on the Saygus V2 here........talking abt other phones on this forums is not going to help nor motivate people like us who are still hopeful of the V2 being in our hands. Hope you understand. There is already a new forum opened for discussions for other Saygus alternatives (http://xdaforums.com/saygus-v2/general/alternatives-to-t3114482)
[Saygus V²] waterplanet:
Maybe it would be a good idea to create a separate thread for vaporware speculations. :confused:
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
While in theory it might be a good idea, this thread has really never had any particular direction.

That said, making another would only muster up more trolling.
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Here you go. You seem neww around here to this discussion, so I'll do the work for you.

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We're

all

hopeful the V2 sees the light of day. That's why we're all here, reading and commenting. And as skeptical as I am about all this at this point, not only of the phone's existence but also Saygus' going concern principle, the phone is still somewhat of a wet dream for us techno-geeks. I do still truly get concerned about the level of hardware support Saygus is able to provide if/when the phone does ship. So I think we all still have a bit of hope, but skepticism at this point is certainly warranted.
[Saygus V²] GuillePin:
Bye Bye Saygus ......

Hi everybody

I don't want to be pessimistic (call me realistic),but the V2 is a dream ,only this.

Bye bye "ideal/perfect phone". Today the time go very fast.

Everybody will forget this nightmare soon.

Open your eyes!!

Good luck

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I had been reading some discussions posted here,and I read that part of main Saygus team is on vacation...They have the right to enjoy them,but WHY JUST NOW????The phone newly delayed without new date and they on vacation.

About the "new delay" Will be rewarded with a new gift?

Mmmmmmmm...... Sorry guys, it smells to smoke... but it's not coming from their barbecues

They are mocking on our faces without compassion
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
If no one has gotten the hint yet HARDWARE SUPPORT is what seems the most important to Saygus. If not the would have just sent us bad hardware so they could make the original shipping date.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Saygus has a new logo up on their twitter page.
[Saygus V²] xxDimxx:
I hate new logos... :(

[IMG="New Saygus logos"]http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/17/92/50/09/saygus10.jpg[/IMG]
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
Yep !

[YOUTUBE]Oi6W1owE4k4[/YOUTUBE]
[Saygus V²] Mokele Mbembe:
I wrote it few weeks ago:

Now when Earl tablet is almost officially a vaporware, I am almost 100% sure the same people are behind the "projects". They can even return you your money, its just an interesting way to get several hundred thousands loan for 0%.
[Saygus V²] xxDimxx:
The "V" logo reminds me of a bird drawn by a child.
[Saygus V²] post_break:
Maybe if they we change the logo they won't care we delayed the phone again.

Or if we pay for bots to fluff us up on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/601808939085234177
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
............... :(

Again with this? That's all they show us....why not use the camera or finger print scanner to unlock the phone???????

It's tweets and videos like that which piss us off and make it look suspect.
[Saygus V²] Official_Noob:
^^^

I'll explain it to you in two words.

Cayman Islands.
[Saygus V²] strikelight:
All other bad things aside (think I'm canceling still though), I think the new logos look more professional than the old ones at least.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
epic tweet is epic..

Still nothing new. Really they try to appease with a casting of the new logo... Graphic art work is well worth the wait:silly:. #NOT
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Have a look at Page 2 and you'll see how new I am :)

And quoting people on here isn't exactly hard evidence of anything. Hell I recommend that people take everything with a grain of salt, even what I say. Even Saygus at this point.

As for the lovely line about Andreas...yes he is only a fan. Who has actually met Chad and is in phone contact with him. Andreas played tour guide to Chad when he was in Germany.

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I agree wholeheartedly.

And my apologies if this is your true feelings. I have been dealing with so many trolls on the Facebook fan page that I'm probably getting trigger happy.
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
Please Mr. Courtman, Stay with your Facebook group and your friends, This is not a good place for trolling. I fed up with your irrelevancy.
[Saygus V²] alexanseris:
Isn't he the same guy on Saygus Facebook group who used to be so disrespectful and troll?
[Saygus V²] halkhali83:
From his name, I guess so!

This is a very useful forum. No need to discuss very immature issues here. So let's keep the professional acts coming.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Finger pointing amongst ourselves will not bring the device out any sooner.

Please keep in mind, this thread is in the General section, and it's only premise is [Discussion] SAYGUS V2.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is fair game. This includes the good bad and indifferent.

So please leave people to their comments and move on:good:
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Mock-ups attributed to Ryan Walters on Facebook using new logo

He did a good job I think...
[Saygus V²] 008freak:
the giant dot doesn't look so great imo. I guess I'm sticking around for another week. No other phone that I want. All these 5.5" phones :(
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Yeh I'm with you there. I like the dotless one more. Keep in mind these are only mock-ups and maybe different all together. They look better than the original though.
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I guess Saygus will start shipping the phone after their marketing launch on mid of June. If the marketing launch will be cancelled and rescheduled then the vaporware will be ship by July. That is a long f&#&@&ckjdjsjqing wait eh? Totally unacceptable with all their lies and unassured bs reassurance. If this happens will you still continue to invest with this company?
[Saygus V²] Courtoman:
Nope
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Hopefully pre order people will get their devices within the next two weeks. I'm not a pre order guy. But new branding or not, they should finish and expedite those orders. I feel bad for you all.

And as for the v2 being ready for the rest of us non pre order people. The device will be sporting that same 801 snapdragon that would be almost a two year old processor by the time Saygus decides they are ready to get things moving :(
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Full Review of ZenFone 2

https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite
[Saygus V²] pah2602:
I think you have the wrong thread
[Saygus V²] phixeus:
Anyone who still uses AOL may not be the right sort for a V2.
[Saygus V²] Loragejt:
I like the new logo but I would like further info about the saygus delay in shipping!!!
[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
Pre-ordering a product from a business is not the same as investing. Investing is "at your own risk" with no guarantee of return. People who pre-ordered are party to a legal contract. After a pre-order is complete, three of four required steps are complete: Offer, Acceptance, and Intention of Legal Consequences. All that's left is Saygus to fulfill the Consideration step. Just want to make sure people are aware of that, that they are not investors of Saygus.
[Saygus V²] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Just saw this,

To what? Shipping? More tech info?

Does anybody have any insight to this?
[Saygus V²] shaxs:
"Quality assurance issues with manufacturing partner caused us to secure a new manufacturing partnership." - Twitter.

This thing is never seeing the light of day.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Wow.... I wish they would just say that from the beginning.

Not looking good. If they are already set up with the new manufacturer then we are looking at another 2 weeks Plus another week for quality and shipping.

So end of June maybe? The device will be 4 months late. The snapdragon 801 came out in late 2013. Everything is cutting edge but the processor. I don't see them putting an 805 or 808 as they would have to rewrite software. The 801 is a 32bit processor. The others support 64bit.

Saygus. Move your collective [MENTION=264447]sse[/MENTION]s! All these people supporting you. Have some decency and be honest with us.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
End of June is 3 months late, don't add to the drama lol
[Saygus V²] MadBob:
Anyone care to bet it's another bleedin' video of the totally worn out WiHD :( never thought I could be so fed up of seeing a feature I actually wanted.