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[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
For the advocates and aspirators of ZenFone 2,please it's specs given below .Decide whether it is superior to Saygus VSquared especially considering the expandable memory and the battery type.

Asus Zenfone 2 ZE551MLAsus

Asus Zenfone 2 ZE551ML

NETWORK	Technology

GSM / HSPA / LTE

LAUNCH	Announced	2015, January

Status	Available. Released 2015, March

BODY	Dimensions	152.5 x 77.2 x 10.9 mm (6.00 x 3.04 x 0.43 in)

Weight	170 g (6.00 oz)

SIM	Dual SIM (Micro-SIM, dual stand-by)

DISPLAY	Type	IPS capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors

Size	5.5 inches (~70.1% screen-to-body ratio)

Resolution	1080 x 1920 pixels (~403 ppi pixel density)

Multitouch	Yes

Protection	Corning Gorilla Glass 3

- Asus ZenUI

PLATFORM	OS	Android OS, v5.0 (Lollipop)

Chipset	Intel Atom Z3580 (4 GB RAM model)

Intel Atom Z3560 (2 GB RAM model)

CPU	Quad-core 2.3 GHz (4 GB RAM model)

Quad-core 1.8 GHz (2 GB RAM model)

GPU	PowerVR G6430

MEMORY	Card slot	microSD, up to 64 GB

Internal	16/32/64 GB, 2/4 GB RAM

CAMERA	Primary	13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, autofocus, dual-LED (dual tone) flash

Features	Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, panorama, HDR

Video	1080p@30fps

Secondary	5 MP

SOUND	Alert types	Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones

Loudspeaker	Yes

3.5mm jack	Yes

COMMS	WLAN	Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot

Bluetooth	v4.0, A2DP, EDR

GPS	Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS

NFC	Yes

Radio	No

USB	microUSB v2.0, USB Host

FEATURES	Sensors	Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass

Messaging	SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM

Browser	HTML5

Java	Yes, via Java MIDP emulator

- Fast battery charging: 60% in 40 min

- 5GB free lifetime ASUS WebStorage

- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player

- MP4/H.264 player

- Document viewer

- Photo/video editor

BATTERY	Non-removable Li-Po 3000 mAh battery

Stand-by

Talk time

MISC	Colors	Osmium Black, Sheer Gold, Glacier Gray, Glamor Red, Ceramic White

SAR EU	0.35 W/kg (head)
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Just wait to be approved because it is nothing to compare with what we all are waiting for.. :)
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
These particular aspects make me not even consider the zenphone 2. Saygus beats this out of the water

Asus Zenfone 2 ZE551MLAsus

Asus Zenfone 2 ZE551ML

Protection	Corning Gorilla Glass 3

MEMORY	Card slot	microSD, up to 64 GB

Internal	16/32/64 GB, 2/4 GB RAM

CAMERA	Primary	13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, autofocus, dual-LED (dual tone) flash

Secondary	5 MP

BATTERY	Non-removable Li-Po 3000 mAh battery
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
So you suddenly can't live with just gorilla glass 3? And the internal memory of 64 is equal to saygus with the 4gb of ram actually beating saygus 3gb of ram. As for the camera, the zenfone looks pretty good abs we haven't seen anything from Saygus yet, don't be so quick to think a higher Mp camera will automatically give you better photos. The excellent iPhone cameras are still only 8mp. I haven't decided yet but I'm not willing to crown the saygus the greatest phone ever, I'm excited but these specs still have to translate into performance and a partner with a good software backbone.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
But what about Memory cards.Battery and Fingerprint sensor?
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
The memory cards are definitely saygus advantage. The batteries are close until we see if saygus power saving chip works and how well. The fingerprint scanner is certainly cool, as long as it works 90% of the time. But to be fair, the V2 is also a 600 dollar phone while the zenfone 2 is more like 350.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Saygus keeps throwing up all over themselves on Twitter about how awesome their phone is, but they still haven't shown us a dam thing new or any progress since MWC in early March.

I'd sure like to believe them and would hope they show us something soon other than the collegiate Twitter posts, which quite frankly I find somewhat insulting.

Atleast ASUS has put their money where there mouth is and delivered a phone with their new Zenfone 2. The Zenfone, to me anyway, is certainly a comparable phone spec wise for the dollar spent to purchase it. Saygus does have a few more bells & whistles, but it does cost a little more also. For some $400+ dollars the Zenfone is a good value.

Saygus.......make us believe! Show us something other than the juvenile Twitter posts sent from a mobile phone in a bar while your spending our money we've already paid you and you haven't delivered on.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Removable battery and SD card are must have for me. Without those I would feel like Steve Jobs's little *****. 5'5 screen is too big (but that is my preference). Android should be about diversity and options. Battery dead? Change it quickly. Not enough storage? Upgrade. I am simply not buying a phone that makes me pay expensive services for limited components or store my data on suspicious servers perfidiously called "cloud" or something like that. If they called it "something server" I might have considered it, but calling it "cloud" makes me furious and totally removes any doubt about their intentions. I hate being considered stupid.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Naw, ZF2 is way too big. The specs look dope... But yeah, I wanna take my phone running. So 5.5 inches is just a bit too big for me right now. When I want a bigger screen, I can use my tablet or one of my computers.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Thank you possibili for saying the right things.In Android we should have the freedom to select our own needs.With nonremovable battery when it becomes dead,the phone becomes useless.Even if we decide to replace it in official service center,the cost and service charge will become almost three forth of a new phone.I have the experience with Samsung phone.And in the case of Asus their service record is notorious.I have an Asus Note Book.It's dialpad is gone.I am using it with an auxillary dial pad plugging in it's USB port because there is no Asus service centre in my pl;ace.Ofcourse there was one but it was closed and no other was opened since.So if you make purchase ,the initial cost will look less but the service will be almost nil or costlier.In my case nonremovable battery and expandable memory are must.So when I felt the need of a latest device with latest techs,I googled the net and was disappointed to find one which will satisfy my preferences except Samsung Note 4 and Saygus VSquared.But Samsung is much costlier and it's camera is only 13 MP.Also it's firmware is 4.4.2 and Samsung is notoriously slow in updating it.So I ended with the choice of VSquared.Although it's firmware is also 4.4.2, the company offers upgradation to Lollipop or else we can upgrade it being the phone prerooted.
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
zenphone 2 just went up for sale on amazon. 4gb memory version for $395.

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I am starting to think the removable battery isn't really an advantage on a phone anymore. In 2-3 years when your battery will no longer hold a good charge, it's likely they won't even be making batteries for the phone anymore. Any new batteries you can buy will have been sitting on a shelf for a year or more, and won't be anywhere near as good as when they were manufacturered. A coworker just bought a brand new battery for her Galaxy SIII, and it doesn't last that much longer than the 2 year old battery it replaced. I had a similar experience with an old phone a few years ago.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
6 months ago I bought a battery for a 3 year old phone so I'll stick with removable batteries.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
With the best will in the world, the MP of a phone's camera means nothing. My Z3 Compact has a 20MP camera and the image quality is pretty poor. Gsmarena did a comprehensive shootout and the Note 4 clearly won and is the best camera on a phone at this point, better than the Galaxy S6. (also the Note 4 has a 16MP camera not 13)

I've got my refund from Saygus, if only everything else they did was as efficient as issuing refunds, but I will keep the money in my account until I see a review of the V2, then if it is as good as I hope I will buy one, I can live without the freebies and the $50 discount, I'd rather look after my own money though :)

If it goes south it will probaby be a toss up between a Note 4 and a Zenfone 2 but on reflection I do really hope the V2 lives up to the hype.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
yeah. Batteries are easy to find. There are rip off companies outthere that will sell you crappy batteries. Got to find the right company. My phone now has an extra big battery that has my phone lasting days on rigorous use. I must have removable battery. Zenphone 2 might be good for some people.... just not me.

The saygus is water proof and kevlar. Whats the zenphone have?

The saygus has fingerprint scanner. Whats the zenphone have?

The saygus has potential of half terabyte of space. What does zenphone have?

I could keep going.
[Saygus V²] jimmyhauser:
I am not buying a zenphone. I just posted that because several people in this thread mentioned it. I am waiting for the v2. My xperia Z2 is working great right now.

As for batteries; she bought an oem samsung battery direct from verizon. I doubt they are selling knockoffs. But it was still manufactured over a year ago. Batteries have a shelf life. And I tried one of those triple size zerolemon batteries when I had my GS4. It lasted longer than the stock battery. But not three times as long. Not even twice as long.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Zenfone has a PHONE... You can see dozens of fully functional videos on YouTube. Saygus has promises, of which they have offered no proof. So remember, zenfone exists v2 doesn't...
[Saygus V²] Jan de Mor:
Absolutely agree!!

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Sadly that's absolutely true right now...
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I have a ZeroLemon in my phone (S4) and after heavy use I usually get 2 day's and a half.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
More than anything I'm worried about the software. A great camera doesn't come from just slapping an xx megapixel sensor in, software plays a big role. I'm also interested in a nice UI.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
Afaik it should just be stock google camera l.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I've not used the stock camera, do you like it?
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
The S3 has it's own battery draining issues. I've seen updating the Google play services to version ending in 038 helping a lot. I rarely see a Bad S3 battery (unless it's puffed up from always being low voltage)
[Saygus V²] kensayers:
Zen phone is not an alternative

I looked at the Zen Phone.

Here is my list of things the V2 has which the Zen Phone lacks;

Waterproof (so I can just stick it on my bike without a cover)

Wireless charging

All LTE spectrum bands my carrier has available

Removable battery

SD card slot for lost of content

BTW I am yet to see any phone which ticks all these boxes. The only one on the horizon is the Sony Z4 but it is not likely to be here any-time soon
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
I'm not quite sure if yout meant it for Saygus V2, or if it was meant for the hijacked thread covering some Asus phones.

As for Saygus V2, it should have a custom camera app: "Camera app is a big deal to us! Must rock" https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/576014103119937536

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I have spotted one more piece of difference, that most everyone seemed to look over:

Saygus V2 is explicitely mentioned in the title of this thread, while the other one isn't. ;)
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
the zenfone 2 has an sd slot... the zenfone 2 covers my lte bands wooo!
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
Coming to removable batteries again,the android phones are often subjected to frequent hanging.The only effective way to overcome this hang and making the phone usable is by removing the battery and replacing it.The ordinary rebooting is not all effective always.Whether there is an alternative solution for this in the case of phones with nonremovable batteries?

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+1
[Saygus V²] Jan de Mor:
I like the zenphone 2 but not in love. I think it's clear v2 is our first option, but I admit it's also obvious that for those who can't wait, the Asus has two important items: price and availability.

It's not the v2 but it's not a bad option
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
It's not a bad option, but I don't understand how someone would go from the Saygus to a phablet. :confused:

Generally there is some button combo that will force the phone to reboot. For example, on the iPhone you press power, volume down, and home.
[Saygus V²] Telyx:
Holding the power button down for 10 seconds will force a reboot.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
All the Android phones have also the same button combination for rebooting.But that reboot is not as effective as the battery removal.
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
it's a hard coded thing,it works the exact same way.
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Andreas, 4/5 of news on blog are just announcements. I hope you will change those soon into source-confirmed informations. Any direct contacts lately?
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
It's still a source from saygus..
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
I'll have to disagree. If it's a software issue a hard reboot will work. if it's an electrical issue a removal of the battery and a circuit drain needs to be done. currently for sealed units if you have an electrical issue you have to wait until the battery dies (that's hard on the battery) then it should work. We now have the same issues in laptops with sealed batteries.
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
That was what I meant.Nonremovable batteries have that disadvantage.Also if there occurs a charging problem with the phone there is no option to charge the battery except running to the service centre.If it is a removable battery we can take it out and charge it separately by putting it in a charger.And the cost of a charger will only be a maximum of 2 USD.
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
Yup, we just got an HTC Phone in the other day and the charging circuit wouldn't kick in. we had to open the phone up and manually charge the battery with a variable voltage power supply to get the phone working again (over an hour of work)
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
That is why I am opting for a phone with removable battery.Similar is the case with removable memory storage.If we are buying a high end phone at a beefed up price we should have the freedom to store the data where we like preferably not a place which actually we can materially see other than cloud and the like and also swap it to other phones in case this phone or it's built in memory gets damaged.More over these built in memories have no option to increase their capacity if we want to.Most of the well established companies are now exploiting or cheating us by selling their new high end phones with nonremovable battery and built in memory at exorbitantly beefed up cost.In case any thing goes wrong with the memory or battery we have no other option except running to their service centres which will cost another beefed up expense towards service charge.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
Since I don't want to play with your trust, I'm only publishing content on my website, for which I can take the responsibility.

I'm giving my best to keep everything concise, helpful and clear. No conspiracy theories. No speculations.

So what are you expecting from me? I'm neither a wizard, nor a fortune teller. ;)

I can't speed up the time until May 22nd. The only thing I can do so far is collecting information and trying to get some news from Saygus.

The last contact I've had with Saygus was on Wednesday.

I'll try to reach them again next week. Maybe they can provide me some details on this 'special event', which they've mentioned on twitter some days ago.

See their tweet here: https://twitter.com/Saygus/status/585887678039597058
[Saygus V²] possibilis:
Cmon, just asking if you forgot us. About the blog- just wanted to state out that you might skip another announcement or two since we have plenty of those. To spare you erasing and retyping, not to nag. I hope they will become facts very soon. Thank you for all the efforts. I really appreciate it. I believe we all do.
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
So is there a feature we haven't heard you wish or are hoping the V2 has? I'd really like a TOL Screen personally.

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I think asking him this was kind of disrespectful. He doesn't owe us anything. If andreas doesn't do anything else at all, he has still done so much we should be grateful for.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
He traveled many kilometers for us in order to get information about V2.
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
So I contacted both Zero Lemon and Mugen in regards to whether they would be making an extended battery for the Saygus V2. I heard back from Zero Lemon and here was the response. However, this doesn't mean they wont reconsider once the phone is out. Especially if the V2 becomes a huge hit! Can you imagine a 10,000mAH extended battery for the Saygus V2? Especially with a battery saving chip! Wow.

Customer Service ZeroLemon <info@zerolemon.com>

Apr 7 (5 days ago)

Hi,

Sorry to let you know that we don't have plan for Saygus V2 at the moment.

Best Regards,

Joey
[Saygus V²] Freaky Beanie:
An extended battery would be cool but as the V2 has it's fractal antenna on the rear cover it would cause issue.
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
The fractal antenna on the rear cover is just to boost the signal, giving it an extra bar. If you already have good reception, then using an extended battery shouldn't be an issue, unless you barely have reception in a poor coverage area. However, with all those supported bands, I would gladly use an extended battery and possibly have 3 bars instead of 4 bars. I could live with that to get a 10,000mAh battery. Only time will tell!
[Saygus V²] kensayers:
Cases are important for protection from drops

I realise that many people don't use cases (I saw a stat that something like 75% of phone users don't use cases) but to my mind I think a case is essential as protection in case you manage to drop the phone. I have managed to never get a smashed screen and I've been using smartphones from the start as well as Palm Pilots before that. I would consider a case if it's no too bulky (the phone and case still has to fit in most shirt pockets) and offers good protection. I also think a screen protector is a good idea. I didn't put one on my Nexus 4 as many said it would destroy the aesthetic, but a good screen protector IMHO is good to avoid scratches when the phone is out.
[Saygus V²] orld:
defend kevlar case with gelly protector, and gorilla glass with a plastic sheet ...

yah right, if the fall will shatter the glass - non of that protection will help

other than that - materials are pretty durable to withstand regular wear and tear
[Saygus V²] becks0r:
I never used a case since 2009, dropped all my phones multiple times and never had a cracked screen or back.

but yeah with the htc hero,samsung note and xperia Z I probably had also not that phones that where very vulnerable
[Saygus V²] MikeyMike01:
After politely tolerating an aluminum phone for two years, not having to put a case on the V2 is a very appealing thing.

Screen protectors are just stupid, on any phone. Like plastic-wrapping your couch.
[Saygus V²] sonwon:
Screen protectors make sense if you will be using the phone around any dirt. It only takes one grain to scratch the screen.
[Saygus V²] bag123boy:
For those who still doesn't have good SD card for the V2, Amazon has sales on the lexar-microsd-card-deal-amazon. http://www.androidauthority.com/lexar-microsd-card-deal-amazon-600538/
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
I was at Saygus corporate office today and looks like may 22 is good go time.
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Would you care to expand in that? Why were you there? What did you see that would lead to this conclusion?
[Saygus V²] hdtechk:
I was out riding and drove past thought I would stop and ask about date. And if they working on lollipop update for phone"which they are". Before I spoke with anyone I heard something that made May 22 sound really good
[Saygus V²] JabbaMac:
Thanks. I was playing with the Galaxy Edge this weekend. That phone makes it hard to hold out for the V2. But I will unless there is another delay.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
First, thank you for going out of your way to personally visit their office! That's exciting that they still exist...lol.

But, you stopped by and all the intel you managed to extract from them was that the 5/22 ship date looks good?

Thank you for your troubles, but what a teaser? Is that all they had to say? Were they pretty tight lipped about any detail? They seem elusive or misleading or were they forthcoming and ready to share detail.

Detail...details! Please. :)
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
Something, something, something, dark side.
[Saygus V²] xtermmin:
Hope Saygus starts dishing out more details and videos in the 30 days leading up to the May 22nd launch!
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Ah man, what do I do now? My current phone has reached the end of it's life. I have two months of my service paid for ($100). Do I get a new phone and sell when the saygus gets to me? Or do I wait six long weeks without a phone? Eh. I wish Saygus would surprise us with early ship date!
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
http://geardiary.com/2015/04/11/powerhouse-saygus-v2-android-smartphone-to-ship-at-end-of-may/

Interesting read. They hope to get a review unit as soon as they become available to the press? It'll be interesting to see just how much intel they provide the press as compared to what they've been (or not been) releasing to the general public.

My head is starting to turn red from holding my breath now.
[Saygus V²] Charlie Brown:
In all seriousness. I really hope Saygus isn't running into problems and delays again. I feel that IF they had certain issues resolved they would let the public know. As always,their silence is worrisome. As big as a fan I am of this potential device.

Certain features seem to be kept in the dark. Even this late in the game. I only see it one way judging from their current and past behavior. The device is not ready......period. 30 days away and does Saygus not want to test the device thoroughly???? Water and dust tests, OS, battery usage, speakers, cameras, fingerprint scanner, fractal antenna, stability etc.

I want this device.... that being said I have a bad feeling we might see another delay. Perhaps much shorter. Albeit a delay.
[Saygus V²] nonlose:
The day is so near yet so far!
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
I agree, the silence is unsettling
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Look at it this way, if the phone is ready now, that is, if all components have been assembled into a functional unit, there would only be 5 and a bit weeks 22nd May, which can surely not be enough time to put this unit through full 'real world' testing as a whole device (as opposed to a bunch of components). Once the testing is complete and any niggles ironed out, and retested, they would still need to organise mass production/manufacture of all units pre-ordered, then arrange shipping. I'm not going to try to guess how many units per day they will be able to manufacture, package and despatch per day.

So, we have to be confident that a number fully assembled units, which conform to the specifications outlined on the website, are in existence right now and are being put through their paces in all manner of situations that we would put the phone through in real life.

If we are going to believe that, then we have to believe that Saygus is deliberately withholding from us any information on this progress.

All of the above seems optimistic to the point of being fanciful to me.

As I've said before, my refund has been processed and the money is sat in my account. I have no axe to grind with Saygus and nothing to gain from trying to spread discontent, but can anyone honestly say they think a fully tested phone with all the bells and whistles that the V2 promises has any chance of being released any time soon?

The only 2 scenarios I can see is a further (long) delay, or a device released that is severely disappointing.