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[Saygus V²] chrisingrassia:
That "conspiracy" makes no sense. In fact, it's almost like an anti-conspiracy. If that truly were the case, they'd just ship what they have completed and then just keep making more.

A more plausible conspiracy is that Saygus filled consumer's heads with a pipe dream of specs but actually unable to manufacture such a phone that will work on all networks but took people's $$ in the "promise" that it will be such an amazing/astonishing/spectacular/wonderful/dreamy device.

I ended up getting a refund because I agree with your former comments. To each their own though; I hope for the best but plan for the worst.

I also just looked up ZF2 specs -- n oremovable battery and SD card only up to 64gb. Bummer.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Ah whoops my bad, thought it did have a removable battery. I'm not that fussed about the sd card rating though, my wife's Honor Holly is only rated as supporting 32gb but works fine with a 128gb.

Yes I know it was a stupid conspiracy but it's almost like they want us to cancel - otherwise why on earth are they saying precisely nothing to us?

It's been a fun ride, but I remember Duke Nukem Forever, I remember Chinese Democracy, I am pretty sure the V2 is going the same way, so it's time to get real and get off methinks.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
I worry about battery life although it comes with 3100mAh. Why do Saygus give extra battery? For me, I definitely need screen protector.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
Pre-Registration Pre-Order

I registered for the pre-registration and subsequently pre-ordered as well. The invoice only states the purchase of the phone. No mention of the extra battery or screen protector. The invoice does include the $50 off for the pre-order, since I had a valid pre-registration.

Agree it is a little disappointing how quiet they've been on their social media outlets? I find that strange? You'd think they'd be all over the web trying to drum up more hype for their product? Must not have a lot of manpower at the headquarters to task that?

If you're pre-registered and you placed a pre-order there really is minimal risk. They've deleted the $35 restocking fee! So all I'm ever going to be out is shipping if I decide to send back in the first two week period.

We'll have to sit tight and be patient. :)
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I confirmed that my pre order is shipping with battery and protector by opening a ticket in the support tab. I was pre registered and can't say if they are included with all pre orders, although they should. How hard do you think finding accessories is going to be? Pretty tough if think.
[Saygus V²] kenosis:
Yes, you are right. I hope battery and protector (at least protector) will be shipped together with V2.

My main concern is for protector.
[Saygus V²] s-lps3:
I think that it was just a sale tactic to get people to order if you look up the price on those batteries they are pretty cheap, along with screen protectors.

From what I've read the V2 has a battery saving technology making it run like a 4100mAh or something like that. So I wouldn't worry. For me its more about saving $50 but seems like I will be spending that $50 to get the HD wireless connectivity device, and then some for extra back covers etc..

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I hope to get the goodies but if I don't I'm not going to cry about at least not out loud :crying:

I did see on their Twitter page there was an otter box rep saying he would pass the idea along to development to make a case in the future. I guess we will all have to guerrilla grip our phones till then because a screen protector ain't gonna do it.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I agree about the battery. I for one will love having a phone with changeable battery again. I much much prefer this to carrying a power brick thing around everywhere I go.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I need better battery life! I absolutely destroyed the battery on my LG G3 today. Podcasts to BT headset half the day and a lot of SOT. Had my power brick with me tho. Kinda looking forward to the 5" screen again honestly. Nexus 5 was damn near perfect phone except for awful battery life, I even thought the camera was good. Had to keep it on the Qi constantly though cuz of poor battery life. Point is the screen and body is almost the same as the V2 with V2 about 1mm thicker and that was a nice size. LG G2 was a great phone and nice size but I had touch screen problems and the camera lens scratched easily just from being in the pocket. I hope Saygus shows up at MWC with a production model!
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
I agreed with you.. I am all for a phone with changeable/removable battery. In fact, I have never use a phone with built-in battery before. I just feel that its not practical. I feel that built-in battery phone shouldn't even exist in the first place. Yes it may help with the design of the phone but once battery is dead, your phone is gone and new battery need to be install at service centre. That cost money. But then again, how many of us actually use a device for years?? By the time your phone contract is up, and its time to change a new gadget and the batttery life no longer matters.....
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
You're right about the battery life for most of us I think. We won't use our long enough to make a significant difference to is life. Something about the convenience of just turning off phone and swapping battery when the old one does and turning phone back on to one hundred percent all within s minute that I love. It would be cool if the batteries them self had a qi receiver on them to charge. I'm sure that's not happening though. I still have my old genetic battery charger where I adjust the pins to positive negative sides and can do a show charge from that. Happy days!
[Saygus V²] sonhy:
I emailed them for cost of another spare battery and no reply what so ever - been used to having a spare batt at home and one at work, so no need to ever plug in.
[Saygus V²] jesamyn:
This sums up why I want the V2 so much. I love my N5. I just want better battery life and expandable storage.

~ sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
[Saygus V²] Planterz:
I'm mostly with you on that. I'm a bit different though. My phone is my internet at home. I USB tether it to my computer (PdaNet) and use Fabio Grasso's Wifi Tether for my tablet. Running all this at the same time is a huge strain on the battery. That's why I only do this with my cheapo Samsung Galaxy Light, and not my Nexus 4. I've had this phone for less than a year, and the original battery has expanded so much that it tries to pop the back cover off (which dislodges the battery too). I replaced it today with the spare I bought and ordered a new spare off eBay.

I had expanding batteries on 2 Droid Razr Maxxes too (heat from playing games while wifi tethering to computer). One time it poofed up so bad it popped the screen off.

I'm not too concerned about internal batteries so long as I can take the phone apart and replace it like I did with my Nexus 4. I'm waffling between an LG G2 and a OnePlus one, both of which have internal batteries. But obviously I won't use either as my home internet mule. The Saygus V2 having a swappable battery is definitely a boon though, especially one so generous. But I'm not ready to pay $600 on an untested phone from an unestablished company.
[Saygus V²] peperocco:
something new

We'll, hello everyone, I'm peperocco from yucatan peninsula of mexico, I ordered my saygus v² also, this is something that I asked before and make me decided about to buy it, I live in a place where always are the menace of hurricanes, and when that happens everything goes away :electricity, water, etc, so that means no internet at all, the best way to get information is by radio fm, and in the specifications it does not say anything about, so I ask them and they respond :yes, saygus v² has radio fm in case of zombie apocalypse (in their words), so they make think "shut the f---ck up and take my money ", what do you think?,was i very clear about acces to radio with no internet?, sorry my bad english ,I am just a mexican curious xD……
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I don't care about the radio personally, but I think that's great for those that need it.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
I didn't expect that as a reply from Saygus. But well, at least they reply you. Anyway, I believe the official website did not specified any thing about having a FM radio. But good to have :)
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
I hope they are correct about FM radio, good feature to have.
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
I think there is still a restocking fee if I am not wrong. Saw it on their website faq.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Pre registered pre orders get restocking fee waived if return is initiated within 14 days. Looks like only pre registered orders receive the screen protector and extra battery also. Pre registration is a sweet deal and I wonder if they shouldn't extend the extras to all pre orders across the board.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Maybe the company went on vacation this week?
[Saygus V²] jameswxt:
You sure? When their product just got launched they should be busier... I was suspecting they will reply email only to those with straightforward answer, else they will ignore.

Anyone got any email reply yet from Saygus?
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
Sounds like some valid reasoning. I wouldn't blame you or anyone else for canceling, but I'm still holding on. No news could be good news, after all. But it could be bad. We just have no idea and no way of knowing without any clear communication from Saygus.

Personally, I don't really see a lack of communication as absolute proof that Saygus is failing. I'm sure they're having difficulties, like any engineering company would, but I believe the concept can work, and I still think Saygus is capable of delivering that concept, even if they suck at communicating.

I don't think it's unreasonable to cancel, especially if the ZF2 will work for you, but I don't think the lack of communication is new information to go on that definitively says you should cancel.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I really want to 'keep the faith' but that is actually what it feels like I need, unshakeable faith with no real proof that it is real.

Can I ask people, what is it about the actual true situation we are in that gives them belief we will ever have this phone?

On this forum I've seen real zealots, who seem to get personally offended when people raise what are reasonable concerns.

There are those who say they can afford the money and are just waiting it out and seeing what happens.

And I've seen the forum equivalent of rubberneckers who have either ordered and cancelled, or not ordered at all, and are just here to laugh at us mugs who are still waiting.

But, I address those mugs (still including me!) and ask, what about the situation we are in is keeping you confident that you will ever get the fabled Saygus V2 superphone in your hand?

Cheers.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Guess it's compulsive and addictive to keep coming back here, expecting some sweet information to show up. Then when there is no new information- just come up with wild accusations.
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
I'm not confident that we will see it. They still have my money because my nexus 5 is still working fine and none of the new phones appeal to me yet. I've been eyeballing the zf2 since January also, so there a good chance that if I can get the high end US version a lot sooner than the saygus then I probably will... That or if the g4 ends up offering something special I could see myself going that route too. Otherwise I would ask like to see the v2 come to existence.
[Saygus V²] Zack.TheDark:
Yup, pretty much my situation. Hey, I'm going to give till May 22nd; as they stated. Big smartphone companies like to chew up and spit out companies like saygus; so as I've stated plenty times before, I completely understand their strategy. However; any details or engagement would be nice. They're giving their characteristic silent treatment since the new ship date announcement- which is quite abrasive to me. But, I got no plans for that $550 in the near future I've waited this long.
[Saygus V²] Cullenator:
I wasn't saying that you were or that you are, but that's fine if that's the way you feel. I don't, but it depends on what kind of person you are.

I have a question for you that is purely just an honest question; please don't interpret this as me trying to argue or make you look bad: Are you asking because you want to stay with them? Or because you think it's wrong to trust them? I just am curious to know where you are on this.

I think the main reason people (myself included) still believe in them is because the v2 is the phone that we've wanted for years, that we knew was possible, and yet nobody was offering it. Now a group of people with similar values has said that they're gonna make it, so we've pre-ordered it because we want it to happen too.

I think the scenario that you're worried about (that Saygus can't deliver) is a possibility, but that's the worst-case scenario. The more likely scenario, at least in my opinion, is the one they described in their last email: Yes, they had problems, but they have worked them out, and are very busy right now finishing things up. I guess I'm more of an "innocent until proven guilty" kind of person. You might not be. I can't say that I blame you.

I'm not offended, I think you have some very real concerns that are unfortunately very reasonable. But you might want to be careful how you describe the people that disagree with you, or at least don't share your concerns. Some people may be offended by your tone, as it sounds a bit critical of others.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Again sorry to anyone if I'm coming across a bit douchey, not my intention at all, to be honest I'm looking for a bit of reassurance that I'm right not to ask for a refund. What I'm a little worried about is that I paid on a debit card as I don't have a credit card and they didn't take PayPal payments like they said they would, so in a worst case situation I'm not sure where I'd stand.

More than anything else I want the phone to come to fruition, but I can't think of any good reason for the silence other than they know they won't hit the current date. I want to stay with saygus but if they don't deliver I don't want to be last in line for a refund.

Maybe I'm just naturally suspicious.

Anyway I've bored you all enough today I'll bugger off and keep my pie hole shut until we hear something further from them, or until I lose my bottle and put in the refund request, whichever happens sooner ;)
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
1. The Zenfone 2 has a lower screen PPI (403)

2. The Zenfone 2 has lower Gorilla Glass 3

3. The Zenfone 2 has a lower rear 13mp camera

4. The Zenfone 2 has a lower front 5mp camera

5. The Zenfone 2 does not have WiHD Beaming

6. The Zenfone 2 does not have 2 micro SD card Slots

7. The Zenfone 2 has a smaller, nonremovable 3000 mAh battery.

So why would anyone choose this over the far superior Saygus V2?
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
1. Price

2. 64bit processor

3. 4gb ram

4. Lollipop out if the box

Some people like size
[Saygus V²] Eagle1337:
1. Not a huge deal still gonna be sharp

2. AFAIR gorilla glass 3 is more scratch resistant while being more fragile.

3,4. it's a budget device..

5. I doubt many people will be using WiHD

6. Again I don't see many people using dual microsds, it's also a 200$ phone.

7. Removable batteries at this point seem to be a rarity.

The zenfone2 Is my backup phone if the saygus flops. 64-bit processor with 4gbs of ram. It'll fit all I need in it with a nice big microsd on it, it's also a lot cheaper.
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
1. Well, I can understand people wanting to save money. No argument there.

2. I'll give you the 64bit processor. I've never used one, but it sounds cool.

3. 4gb of Ram is nice.

But as far as #4 Lollipop out of the box, the Saygus V2 will not only get Lollipop, but you can flash other roms if you choose.

In reality though, the truth is that everyone has their own preferences for what they want in a phone. Luckily, there are so many phones to choose from, that people can find the one that best suits them. It's great that people want different things and can choose the device that works best for them. As for me, I need plenty of internal storage for all the GTA Games and other space consuming purchases I've made, so 64gb internal works. I also want as much micro SD card space as possible, for my 1000 Marvel Comics, various emulator roms from multiple gaming systems, storage for plenty of videos and pictures, storage for my digital downloads of my favorite movies to watch on the go. I also am a fan of front stereo speakers. As a world traveler, I also want the global GSM and Global 4g LTE. I love rooting my devices, and am looking forward to flashing different roms on this baby! However, since vanilla Android is already on it, I may not even need to change the rom with Xposed Framework added. Also, I love swapping batteries if I choose. So many of my phones have had extended batteries and I hope that Mugen or Zero Lemon comes through on the Saygus V2. Wouldn't it be awesome adding a 10,000 mAH battery to this? The V2 has what I want, and that's ok if it's not what you want. I'm excited, patient, and ready for my shipment!
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
Haha 10k battery would be funny, buy I would probably buy it if qi and stuff still works just because
[Saygus V²] porkandbeans:
As far as #5, I think that once WiHD is out, people will use it. Think about it this way. There are a lot people using Chromecast, which is sharing things over WiFi to a receiver on your TV. Well with WiHD, you are sharing things without using WiFi, but instead, a built in HD transmitter, to a receiver on the TV. As a result, you can beam things with WiHD and not have to be on a wifi network. That is awesome! If you don't have WiFi, you can still use it. Not only that, there's very little lag, and apps don't have to be specially updated to use it. Everything on your phone is displayed. That's pretty cool.
[Saygus V²] redeyss:
Will there be dev for the zenphone 2? I thought i read that non Qualcomm devices don't see much development at all. I'd go crazy if i couldn't edit my nav bar and status bar on an android phone at this point. Size, weigh, and thickness of zp2 has me looking elsewhere (G4) but I'll wait until i can handle one. Patiently waiting for my V2...

Sent from my LG-D850
[Saygus V²] frigidazzi:
There was for other zenfone s that used the intel processor
[Saygus V²] SESTI777:
I ask tell there is a separate audio chip or DAC. As the sound in the headphones will be realized thanks
[Saygus V²] pnsdhrn:
You said well.

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He thinks other people are also like him real mugs.Who gave him the authority to include others in his class?

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You said what should have said.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Clearly I am about to offend a lot of people, but it is what it is.

Here we go...

What would you call someone who in February pre-orders for what is a considerable amount of money, a device that is expected at the end of March, which is made by an unproven manufacturer who has a track record of not delivering, who then takes that money without notification, then goes silent, then goes to a trade show with a 50% (at best) functional device, then delays the release by 2 months offering some headphones that currently do not exist, then goes silent again?

Are we sensible people? Are we dreamers? Are we mugs? Call us what you will, the facts are the facts.

Call me Terry T. Trollerson for all I care, I'm just interested in why so many people have made such a leap of faith...

I'm not responsible for anyone who has a malfunctioning sense of humour/reality module taking unintended offence to the above, it's not personal xxx
[Saygus V²] mastewman:
In reply to your leap of faith question, is simple and to the point.. Saygus is attempting to do what the major manufactures should be doing, which is making a phone with the essential features and not sacrificing on performance/features... :good:
[Saygus V²] tocirah1:
So.... has anyone heard anything from Saygus within the last week or two?
[Saygus V²] Boom515:
Nothing really since March 19th on Twitter.
[Saygus V²] kevin6876:
I sent them an email last night requesting they provide their pre-order customers with some form of a social media update. They've been quiet for 3 weeks now....crickets.
[Saygus V²] rseifer:
No Obvious Interference

I don't note any particular degradation with xmission, and the bumper case does not seem to materially impair or lengthen the time required to charge the phone on the conductance charging pad I have on the desk. Charging time seems to be pretty much the same whether or not the bumper is on the phone or off. I wouldn't be overly concerned about it on the V2.

Ralph L. Seifer, Long Beach, California

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[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
Saygus uodate and communication is totally DOWN.. And that pissis me off. Totally noobish...
[Saygus V²] PXL42:
I prefer that Saygus staff work on the phone rather than on twitter ;)
[Saygus V²] theleftykid:
I suggest they work with the phone and give updates to their customers. Even a single staff at least can post an update about the development of the phone.
[Saygus V²] Soltkemecsei:
If I was Saygus, then probably instead of making the superphone, I'd collaborate with NatGeo, Discovery or whoever to make a documentary series on how to make a cellphone.

There seems the be much more potential in delivering the daily/weekly episode, than in delivering the phone itself. ;)
[Saygus V²] OkayThereBud:
You sir are an idiot, It takes one single person to update twitter and 5 minutes if that.
[Saygus V²] t3chfan:
Yeah, but Devil's Advocate would suggest that we have no proof that they *are* working on the phone... The demo unit at cebit showed pretty much the same functionality as the unit at mwc, afaik no-one has seen demos of 2 sd cards working, dual boot, wireless charging, finger scanner, camera, need I say more? If they really were making progress on the phone, I'm sure they would let us know.

A previous contributor mentioned another piece of tech which seemed too good to be true. For all the 'true followers of Saygus' I'd ask you to please read this article with an open mind - http://lingnik.com/2014/09/22/is-earl-sqigles-crowdfunded-tablet-project-legitimate.html - I sincerely hope that this is not the future of the V2 but we all have to accept that there are striking similarities.

You will all no doubt be happy to know that I put in my refund request yesterday so I shan't be here spouting my negative (but entirely factual) views much longer, though until I see the money back in my account I do think I've just as much right as everyone else to contribute :)

I am pretty sure I'll be getting the 64gb Zenfone 2 variant, sure it doesn't tick as many boxes for me as the V2 but at least it exists ;)

One last thing, if the V2 ships on May 22nd, I promise to come back and offer everyone an apology for the negative realism I've subjected you to the last few days.
[Saygus V²] andreas5232:
I see your point and can follow your argumentation, since for the general public it seems like there has been absolutely no movement at Saygus the last few weeks.

I've spoken to them yesterday and they told me, that they are still working on the cummunication problems. Hopefully, we will get some official information about the actual state and progress in the next days.

Since all of us here are very interested in the actual state of the device, here are some news:

The camera issues front/back are fixed

The antenna problem is also fixed

Right now May 22nd seems absolutely realistic to me

BTW: I'll keep trying to get some camera samples.