yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Man, you're too funny :D

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] chaas67:
I don't post much but I do read and get alot of information from this forum. I also get to take advantage of the hard work that Faria, Summiter and others put into creating better ROM's for our devices....

But your comment is useless and contributes nothing to this forum. I strongly urge you to either keep your comments to yourself, develop your own ROM to distribute to others, and deal with the 'public', or leave this forum never to return.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] eluth:
To all the reader of this post, I must first emphasis on the point that I'm not trying to criticizes Faria's work or any chef's work.

This is not my point.

The fact that I have only 16 posts (actually 18 with this post :-) ) had nothing to do with my point either.

The only thing it says is how many contributions I did to xda-developer as a forum, which is very little, I agree.

Neither itdoes reflect how many post I read since I joined, nor my knowledge in the field.

Initially, I'm a simple user of Microsoft's and they some chef's ROM.

With all the talks around WM6, I started experimenting in ROM cooking and naturally,

I asked myself, like many other readers of this forum, what are the differences and benefits with all the new WM6 ROMs popping up...

What I did differently, is I devised my own methodology to understand commonalities and differences, by extracting files from ROMs,

dumping registries, doing comparison of files and registries...

What I'm trying to reflect here is (you got exactly my point g0dblissyou) that all the Wizard WM6 ROMs out there have a common ancestor,

which is Orwells’s1984, including Faria's WM6 ROM.

There is nothing to be ashamed of, and again I want to acknowledge and recognize Faria's great work.

No doubt it's hard work, and it takes a long time to polish a ROM.

He did a great job in all the ROMs he released (I used some and I liked them).

He clearly did contribute immensely to this community, and for that I'm thankful.

I just don't understand why Faria claims in multiple occasions that this ROM IS NOT BASED

on Orwell's when, based on my observations, this is clearly INEXACT.

I'm not trying to judge, attack or hurt anyone. I'm just stating facts.

Again, the only point I'm trying to make is,

Claims that Faria's WM6 ROM has nothing to do with Orwells'1984 are greatly exaggerated.

--eluth.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] jwzg:
I'm going to state this publicly and once...

If you have a problem with the claims of another member (senior, junior or otherwise), take it up with that member through a PM BEFORE you post publicly. If you aren't satisfied, take it up with a moderator, and if you aren't satisfied with that response, bring it to the attention of the rest of the forum.

Request: Mods, all posts in this that do not pertain to technical issues related differences between the WM6 ROM's in question should be closely watched.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] d0ug:
I think his point was that faria claimed this...

"THIS rom has no parts from any current wm6 rom,this is a real WWE wizard rom ,all the parts needed to make it as a full rom were sourced from my 3.3."

When that is infact not the case, if this is true. If you dont make such claims, there will be nothing for others to complain about.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] bachikho:
i think maybe this is why when i ask Faria about uploading the original rom from which he had cooked "The real thing" version, he never replied!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] jawnsixteen:
how many files does orwells rom have with other wm5 and wm6 roms? i guarantee its a very high percent. Its not like these people are taking windows and making macs, they're improving on a product.

I see what you're saying but so many people have and enjoy farias rom that i dont think you're comment was in line
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mfrazzz:
Ok, stop there... Don't start speculating and making assumptions like this. Do you know how many PM's Faria gets every day? Do you know how many posts in a single day were posted in his thread for the new rom? Do you know how much of a life Faria has outside XDA-Developers? Has Faria answered every single post in his threads? (remember, he has more than one ROM out and then there are multiple posts started about his rom also). If you also read his posts, he indicated a couple of times he could not discuss certain aspects of how he got the code base that he started with, so if you did ask, it was most likely after that was stated, so why should he answer it again (and again and again and again) when so many people here won't read a single page in front of the one they are posting on.

Geez, you ask a question and don't get a response so now you claim its a conspiracy / cover-up (ok, you didn't say that, but you are sure implying it here with your comment quoted above).

I've thought about dabbling in cooking roms, but now that I see the appreciation people get (not just this thread but in others like the threads for the rom releases themselves) I honestly don't think I'd want the frustration that comes with it. A LOT OF TIME and effort goes into these and then people nit pick and demand and demand and demand more. Not even mentioning where I see this thread heading.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] baarod:
I checked the bin diffs. If this was in fact a new ROM Microsoft standards would have at least update the version resources. I'm confused now because the greatest Wizard ROM chef is called into question. Jose, I know how much work and testing you put into your ROMs BUT when the base binaries are the same I just get to wondering. It's no shame if you build a better mousetrap with the same tools -- as bin diff claims, but to claim a new and better source of the base build would get me killed in my KDE work. Fess up or counter now -- your credibility is in grave jeopardy.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
Would you stop ?

At first I also thought it was suspicious...but then I realised that I don't even care.

And you will accomplish absolutely nothing by backbiting somebody.

I say stop here and delete this thread. What if the one in questioning was you ?

After long, hard, FREE work done for this comunity(1220 posts, sounds heavy to me, in only 1 year+countless PM's),

suddenly some guy launches a rumour...and the news is spreading ... My question is :

How would you feel ?

I rest my case here.

This is nonsense talk,

I don't care if it's a true WM6 core or not,

this will bring no good for the comunity
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] samy.3660:
STOP IT!!!!!!

This thread is crap. WHAT DO YOU WANT NEW OS(FOR FREE!!!!!). PAY MS 500dollars then you will know what does OS cost.

BY saying that faria would have meant that it is not like all those rom which were released recently and not the whole OS.

CLOSE this thread.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mtvn:
Jeeezzzz, give me a break. The OP just post his finding. He was careful enough to post this:

If Faria's ROM is the real CB then MS is in trouble because comparing to WM5, CB is too buggy to be the real, final product. Just because Faria is a ROM Cooker, that does not mean that nobody is allow to post an opinion or finding about his works. Do you go about everyday in life without ever question everything you've heard or seen? Last time I check this forum isn't in North Korea where as you are not allow to question everything you've heard or seen.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] faria:
the Orwell's was based in the Chinese version ,how do you think the ro cooks translated it to wwe?

thats rigth....by using the files from my current rom,:eek:

so of course they share allot in comon....also both of the Roms share the same xip section....

since you basically are calling me a lier ,maybe you should also compare the first hermes rom with mine or other wizard wm6 rom...you may get a surprise! they share numerous files and modules.,etc....hell even comparing wm6 to an aku1 rom you will find comon files....what a great find!

guess who build the core roms ! microsoft,so do you belive they rebuild every single file for every single device?

i honestly dont know what you problem is but it is obvious you got some problem with me....or maybe you are just a puppet in others hands...

furthermore its a well know fact that other Roms use files from my Roms posted here in the forum before.

about the MB rom....

have a guess who was who packed the initial rom!

so my friend before accusing a moderator of lying to people ....make sure you got your facts straight ...

i do not misled people,by saying whats not or modifying rom builds to appear newer etc.

and guess what? mun_rus rom also share the same xip section....so i guess is rom is also based Orwell's dont you think?

i hereby demand a public apology from you and that you amend your posts [across the forum] as this can cause more problems than you can imagine,otherwize i will delete them myself.

ps

thanks for damaging my credibility in the forum.....you must be proud of yourself.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] papamopps:
Don´t think that.

thanks for damaging my credibility in the forum.....you must be proud of yourself.[/QUOTE]

Fari, I think everyone in this forum who realy can read doesn´t think you are a lier. Because its quite normal not to make everything new but developing the status quo. And for this - you are making a great job. And everything posted here which tries to "demage your credibility" is just nonsens and word of someone who does not think further then his hands can reach. Nobody would creat completly new fils everey new version of an OS. So belive in all others in this forum - Keep on teaching us and keep on developing the mess M$ produces.

Thanks for ypur great work!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] jwzg:
I feel the same as papamopps, faria, hence my post earlier. It's just much easier when you take these things up behind closed doors before things get out of hand. As a mod, you had the obligation to keep a level head as well as get your point across, and you did so. I suggest that molski lock this thing before any more damage is done.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] trojan9x:
Did you noticed the date on Faria's Rom? February 06!! How many WM6 roms were out then? Go ahead... do a search... NONE! Faria has had this rom for over a year. How do you think he built his 3.3 roms with crossbow icons? You can only get crossbow icons from a crossbow rom AFAIK.

Correct me if I am wrong Faria, but I believe you said you have been working on this Rom for the better part of that year since you have had it. He couldn't release it any earlier or either Him or his source for the rom would of likely been in trouble.

Great job on the roms Faria and great support for the community.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Dr Puttingham:
This is quite enough!

For one to openly accuse one of the finest true chefs of lying is unbelievable and serves no purpose.

I can assure you that this ROM base is NOT based on the Orwell or any other ROM leaked to the public but is indeed a real WM6 ROM.

People would be amazed at how long I've personally been running this ROM... several months before Orwell. And yes it's quite hard to keep such a thing quiet but I did. Actually people would be amazed at what we STILL can't release....

That sure was one a$$h0l3 idea to publicly post such findings, a great way to make friends! You deserve a reward for sure!

A public retraction and apology might be a good idea, me thinks.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Dr Puttingham:
Finally someone put two and two together. Things can't be released before their time but sometimes a morsel here and there...

And did anyone notice how the date and time are correct after a hard reset or reflashing?

NO OTHER ROM HAS EVER HAD AN SIMILAR BOOT TO THIS ONE!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nottoosmart:
LOL, i just thought of something, someone needs to run the comparison of XP and Vista. Lets see the difference there. LOL. Im betting you anything we would see about the same results. This would prove the fact that M$ is smart on building off a product that works. Its called and upgrade or update for a reason. This guy needs to just leave in my opinion. his 16th submission to this community attacked a moderators credibility and in the US they call that slander. Punishable by law.

Note to anyone who is thinking of posting this type of post in the future, give up anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 weeks of your life trying to make a ROM that is stable and will make everyone happy. All the time doing this in your free time and not getting paid for it. Just think about that. Then keep your mouth shut. These things dont write themselves.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] badersk:
It wouldn't matter where he got it so why would he make claims that were not true. No one would care because of all the roms I have run this is the best I have had so far. I do not have to put in my carriers settings I don't even have to change my internet settings. It doesn't crash battery life is acceptable if you don't add to many plugins and speed is wonderful.

Great work.

And Faria, If this messes up your reputation it would only be with those who don't appreciate your hard work in the first place. Please continue. You are a true professional.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] trojan9x:
Thanks Dr. I am suprised no one posted the obvious earlier. BTW, I have a very quiet mouth if so called things that can't be released yet need to be "tested" :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mkosloffsky:
Lier??

It's Liar. (Spelling) (Which you also are not) :)

Li´er (lī´ẽr)

n.	1.	One who lies down; one who rests or remains, as in concealment.

There were liers in a ambush against him.

A liar is one who habitually tells lies
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] samy.3660:
Well if you want Dr.P(or say i), will be willing to be a tester too.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] samy.3660:
May be topic title has to be changed from

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] techlogik:
Just goes to show how the original poster knows nothing about programming/coding.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nottoosmart:
Much less that it has been a day and he has only posted twice since the original post. Think someone is afraid to reply since now he knows he is wrong.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] mfrazzz:
Ok, this works both directions. Lets not make speculations and assumptions based on one post by the OP. I don't agree with the way this was posted, but I think its a stretch to make that statement. If you actually look up past posts of his, he has contributed (he started the thread on removing the SQM stuff from WM6 roms).

I think the point is, he didn't consider that Orwells and Faria's came from basically the same source (it all comes from Microsoft) and that Faria has been working on this for a long time (over a year I believe I've read in a couple of posts).

Lets let this thread just die and fall to the bottom of the forums. (although an apology for the statements and way this was handled is probably still in order IMO).
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] lampiao:
@Faria,

Dont give this type of comments much importance, the truth always comes out!

Força caragos!

Abraço,

Lampião da Estrela.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] eluth:
Public Response to Faria

Should I deduct from your comment that you are the "father" of the Orwells'1984 ROM? Do you mean that Orwells'1984 is based on YOUR ROM?

I don't have a problem if this is your statement. Actually, It would bring a different light to this whole story.

I stated facts producing the comparison of two sets of files and started asking questions. My comparison was corroborated by another post on this thread:

At no point, I called you a liar. This is your interpretation.

Read back my posts. I clearly stated that I respect your work, but I had to point out my findings.

I detailed my intents and tried to stick to facts.

The point here is not to compare a Hermes ROM vs. a Wizard ROM, but several ROM versions of the same device, here a Wizard.

When Microsoft released a new ROM version or new AKU, they do recompile ALL their binaries.

I can demonstrate to you or anyone that WM6's ROM, AKU 3.3, AKU3.2, AKU2.3 or any other AKU have clearly different (at the binary level) DLL and EXE files.

My motivation was to answer a question other people reading this forum had too.

It started, with a thread asking what is the difference between MB ROM and Faria's WM6 ROM if I remember.

I don't know. Are you implying you did? If so, why didn't you so say before?

Like in the "Comparing MB ROM and Faria's New ROM" thread?

Again, I did not accuse you of anything. You might have interpreted my acts as accusation. If it so I'm deeply sorry and I do appologize for my mis-communication.

I did ROM comparisons, posted my results and questioned disturbing similarities between two WM6's that should have nothing in common according to different claims on this forum (I could list them, but this is beyond the point).

The following fact, which I stated in my original post, remains, and you don't seem to deny it in you post.

My findings are really surprising as a binary comparison shows that Orwells’s1984 and Faria’s WM6 share 1094 identical files.

Only 31 files present in both ROMs are different
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] duke_stix:
dude

first of all....

from the 3 rom's i tried, orwell, a random one on a random ppc site, and faria's,

faria's: the LEAST amount of crap/bugs/issues! i cant fault this rom!

and of course the roms are going to have similarities! think about it for goodness sake!

its WINDOWS MOBILE 6 for wizard. do you honestly think its going to be a completely seperate build for each and every handset/device?!

NO!

it took me quite a while just to cook my own extended rom let alone a fully blown leaked rom which needed fixing as well

appreciate the time and effort that a LOT of people on these forums put into cooking these roms which are for OUR use! they could just cook them and use them for themselves!

the '31 files present in both roms that are different' will OBVIOUSLY be different as they are most likely specific to the device

the '1094 identical files' shared, well, perhaps, just maybe, a slight possibility, that they MAY in fact be the core OS components that will ultimately be common with wizard/universal/hermes/every other cooked wm6 and indeed any official wm6!

simply: lay off somebody who in essence is doing a favour for the entire community! so what if the files are similar! we all knew this anyway! its a bloody windows build!

faria, muchos kudos to you! the rom you built is great.

eluth: i challenge you to go away and build for the entire community a working rom update to the level of faria's or indeed any of the other builders on the forums.

duke out.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nottoosmart:
You are my hero. LOL
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Vilem:
Although he posted only 19 posts, which doesn't mean a thing, he presents a lot of facts. I for one don't care who cooked what, if it tastes good....

Microsoft build these ROM's, in the all the posts posted ,which I read almost all, there are a lot of questionmarks ??

I don't understand why one would leak after a year an incomplete ROM, present solutions to "fix" it's incompleteness, deny it's existance etc etc.........

It doesn't at up.

*My 5 Korunas
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] cuboosh:
this guy makes some valid points..its like some xda-drama! everyone is goin to have their opinion whether it changed or not because of all this coming to light is their business and if they want to express themselves then no one should hate on them. it is freedom of speech last time i checked.

and after reading the creators post he isnt going after neone just simply asking questions which deserve anwsers.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] fluxist:
Leave the OP alone he had a legitimate point.

{snipped}

You guys care way too much.

But the OP had a point. Obscuring the origins of these ROMs and making grand allusions to their super-secret lineages serves no purpose but self-aggrandization. Faria's response, all bolded and blued, kinda confirms this, no? The silly outrage and demand for public apologies (for what?? posting a binary .diff??) just shows that this is an ego issue, not a technical one.

flx
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] manfly9884:
Egoist

Who is being the egoist now!!!!!!!!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] hal:
Kudos

Faria,

There is a vast, silent majority who appreciates all the efforts you put in your work. Your reputation was not even dented. Don't let a few idiots put you down.

Cheers,

Hal
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] jawnsixteen:
listen, i sent this too you through private message and now through the forum so the public can see it.

Since you like to do examinations and such, i just want you to compare The Orwell rom to the original Windows 6 rom, or even the version 5 one.

I can almost guarantee that the similarities will be striking.

Even if the binaries were different, they probably were just copying straight from the windows mobile (blank) before it. And don't say they can't. Windows Mobile devices look and act too similar to have been started over every time.

Windows mobile 6 and 5 look/are basicly the same anyways!! don't play games
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] Dr Puttingham:
<poof>

I started writing a long post regarding this and changed my mind as it's not worth it.

It's simply amazing the complete lack of respect that Jose receives here! And I'm sure that it's not just penis envy! If you people had any idea of what comes down the pike that simply can't be released due to responsiblities of protecting sources, etc you'd be amazed. In my position, which is no where near the top as Faria, I have a number of things which simply can't be revealed to the masses at the present time. If so, my sources would be compromised, leaving me (and them) with much explaining.

This discussion is done, period, in my book. Jose has been disrespected in the past and has come back. One day he won't... trust me. This man is a true chef and not just a "mixer" The things he's taught me regarding ROM cooking is SO much different from what's available from the ROM kitchens offered on the web.

I'll never be the chef that Jose Faria is but I know that he'll always be my friend and that's enough for me.

And my apologies as this did turn into a long post... my last in THIS thread.

ciao!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] anichillus:
I'd watch out for the Secret Services if I were you :P

You're all acting like it's national security or something....

First and last thing I say is this :

........ One who has secrets and doesn't want others to find out about them..simply keeps them to himself and doesn't even mention them ....

Why did I said that ? Because everything else is just a brag !
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] nottoosmart:
So, now that my rom is posted, does the OP want to run his little diff check against orwells or perhaps faria's? Just waiting to be flamed on my rom. LOL
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] cuboosh:
i love what this is turning into.. i swear this should be a soap lol