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[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Advice Wanted

Trying to decide which is more important to me - a white N6 vs. 6 months of Google Play Music for free.

Hmm, I think the white color is more important to me and I think an unbranded N6 would have greater resale value. I can flip an iPhone with my upgrade and that should hopefully net me $300. Add that to the $300 it would cost to buy the N6 through Verizon using the upgrade after taxes and upgrade fees, that would be $600. So to get the white 32GB through Google would be about $90 more after tax. And it wouldn't come with the $60 worth of Google Play Music.

What do you think? Worth the extra money and the loss of the free GPM trial to get the color I want?

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The unlocked N6 and the Verizon N6 are identical devices from a hardware perspective based on all I have read. Just like with AT&T, there will be differences in the files that are downloaded to the Verizon N6 upon setup if you have an active Verizon SIM card in the device.

Once the Verizon N6 is released, you can do a factory reset and with your active Verizon SIM card in the device, go through the set up again. From what I have read, that will install all of the Verizon files (including unwanted bloat) to the device. Then you can remove the bloat by hand.
[Nexus 6  General] icon123:
Unless its not going on anymore, I got free 6 months of google music when I bought my n6 from moto.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
It says on Google's site that ended on 12/31/14.

https://play.google.com/intl/ALL_us/nexus6/promo-terms.html
[Nexus 6  General] icon123:
That's weird, I didn't activate mine until early January. Guess I got lucky.
[Nexus 6  General] DroidOnRoids:
Heh, T-Mobile is pretty reliable in the east coast - especially where your profile says your location ;)

I agree, this is a joke to hold out a phone until now. There's really only one explanation to this - Verizon doesn't like the Nexus line and they want to push more popular brand named phones (DROID and Galaxy phones). They destroyed the Galaxy Nexus and I expect the same result with the Nexus 6. I'm so glad I got rid of that carrier.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
You had to buy the N6 before 12/31/14 but you could activate the offer up until 1/31/15.

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I didn't mind waiting for updates. What destroyed the GNex was its horrible radio/antenna design but that is Samsung's fault. The Note3 sucked in that respect too. I had both, never again will I get a Samsung.

My fear though is that the Motorolas after the N6 won't have unlockable bootloaders on Verizon since the Verizon Moto X 2014 doesn't. I just hope Verizon continues to get the Nexi no matter how late they get them and I hope that Sammy never makes another Nexus.
[Nexus 6  General] DroidOnRoids:
I don't think any Verizon Motorola phone in my recent memory had an unlocked bootloader. Further more, I couldn't stand Verizon locking Samsung and HTC bootloaders which resulted in using Safestrap or relying on forum bounties. I like to have my freedom with my phone.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
OG Moto X Dev Ed and GNex did. I believe there is a Verizon Note4 Dev Ed.
[Nexus 6  General] DroidOnRoids:
True, you have a point. But other than Dev editions?
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
None other than the Nexi and the Dev Eds, but that is the same with AT&T too. Not unique to Verizon.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Now that I think about it, since the Verizon N6 is shipping with VoLTE enabled AND since to have VoLTE enabled you need not only to have a VoLTE enabled phone but you need to be able to add VoLTE as a feature, I worry that a non-Verizon device even if it is updated to 5.1 won't be able to add the VoLTE feature.

We will know soon, but it is yet another thing to consider. If those of you with non-Verizon Nexi can't get your IMEIs whitelisted, idk if you will be able to select VoLTE as a feature. It only appears if you have a device that Verizon recognizes as VoLTE capable on the line.

Edited - it looks like from what I have read about the iP6 experiences, as long as you activate a Verizon iP6 on the line you can add VoLTE to the line. Then you can use the SIM card in an unlocked Sprint, AT&T or TMobile iP6 and VoLTE will stay on the line.
[Nexus 6  General] FatCat0:
If they open up DFill on Thursday, is this going to happen at midnight, some time in the middle of the night, 9 AM, whenever-the-heck-they-feel-like-it?
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Yes
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
It's fracking amazing, announce but not have the inventory that day for stores? Just BS, plain and simple.

And if you do the math for the 32Gb on edge, it's close to teh cost of the 64Gb, though I think that has more to do with that they just don't have the inventory of them.

Nexus - google's worst in terms of actually having product for the masses they are catering to.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Huh? Edge pricing is simply the full retail divided by 24. Unless they are charging more than retail pricing your statement doesn't make sense. I have seen no pricing anyway.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Phandroid had pics of the info in the Verizon system and said that Verizon is charging $700 for the 32GB Nexus 6.

http://phandroid.com/2015/03/08/verizon-nexus-6-pricing-availability-leak/

Verizon’s Nexus 6 will run you $249 with a 2-year contract, $699 if you decide to buy the Nexus 6 without a contract, or $29.16 a month on Verizon’s Edge plan. As for color and storage options, only the 32GB Midnight Blue version will be available.

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According to Phandroid, the 32GB Verizon N6 on Edge will be $29.18, which is $700 over 24 months and that is the same as the 64GB N6 purchased through Motorola or Google Play Store.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
Yes, exactly what I was saying, I'd get the 32Gb on Edge, but paying as much as the $64 version, damn them ... I would have expected $27 or so to meet the $649 cost on the 64Gb ...

They could have offered the 64Gb version if they wanted, or, perhaps inventory is just not there?
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
I was agreeing with you. I was just pointing out to others that your info was based on reliable sources.
[Nexus 6  General] cocachoopa43:
A chat representative from yesterday told me midnight.
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
Here's official confirmation from Google that Android 5.1 is starting rollout today and will include HD Voice (and therefore presumably VoLTE) for Verizon:

http://officialandroid.blogspot.com/2015/03/android-51-unwrapping-new-lollipop.html
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
I know, and I do appreciate it.

My hard feelings though are to VZ: pricing the N6 on Edge for the total cost of the 64Gb version and just giving us the 32Gb is just downright wrong.

(I've no choice it seems, but I can handle 32Gb, never really have filled up my GNex anyways, it's the HW upgrade other than storage that makes this worthwhile)

Question is, who would do it this Thursday and wait for delivery vice next Thurs (19th) and walking out with it?
[Nexus 6  General] TonikJDK:
At this point I got to think VZ will have plenty of these in stock at least on the corp stores. So I would get it in store. Orders wont ship until release date at best I believe.
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
Lol release is 12th u order online ,pick overnight shipping should get before 3 on Friday..come on guys this is simple its a nexus,it will be like all the nexus..Vzw is only going to carry the 32gb..
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
True on release date.

Now, looking over the other thread, going online thru comcast and getting a $200 gift card for getting the N6 on edge sounds like a great deal, plus overnight shipping and get it Friday! (then all weekend to play)
[Nexus 6  General] rlkmartin:
Do you know if Verizon will let you Edge up over the Web? I still have 1 month to go for my 1 year point. I know I can pay the extra just don't know if they will allow that over the Web
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
$200 off N6 through Comcast? Please explain for is who don't know

Edit: found answer by googling Comcast and Verizon.

So doing easy math PROVIDING info on prices are correct that were referred to this is what I find.

Edge= 29.16 x 24 = $699.84

Phone line off contract -$25 a month

2 year= 25(on contract line fee 40-15)x24+249= 849 -200 gift card from Comcast total of $649.

This is just my quick simple math, this does not include tax or other misc fees and no insurance through VZW.

No if it is the money thing i see getting it on contract but if it is a no contract issue it costs an extra 50.84 to stay off contract.

If I missed something please let me know. Again my numbers not gospel.
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
If you click on the info about the phone you will see a edge up link. If you have paid off enough it is available through the link.

http://mobile.extremetech.com/lates...p-rolling-out-to-nexus-devices-today?origref=

Guess I was right. Someone needs to apologise. ?
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
Thread for the comcast deal is right in this forum ....

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/general/verizon-nexus-6-200-gift-card-upgrade-t3049484
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
Yeah found it thank you edited my post and did the math quick like.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
I just keep thinking what is the deal there, sounds too good to be true, certainly make me feel like I'm getting something for nothing, offsets the fact that I'm not getting the 64Gb but paying that on edge for the 32 ....
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
My guess the 200 won't work with edge u may have to do 2 year contract.. I called my buddy at vzw waiting on him to confirm
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Don't do it online. You will be required to mail back your current device and there are tons of horror stories about the device never getting reported returned. This results in months of you having to fight with them to get your bill fixed as they will charge you for the non-returned device. Always Edge Up/Early Edge in store.
[Nexus 6  General] Afro Samurai:
I get a discount with FedEx through my job and can send it back so you have to have a delivery confirmation signature or do you send your old phone back to a PO box or something?
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Verizon provides the prepaid postage to send it back so your discount isn't needed.
[Nexus 6  General] Afro Samurai:
I figured they would but if I were to do it my way there would be a paper trail to ensure it wasn't lost in the shuffle and if they say it wasn't received I can say well so and so signed for it. Except I can't FedEx to a PO box.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Theirs has tracking as well. Here's one of many examples http://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/2op3ka/stay_away_from_the_edge_up_program/
[Nexus 6  General] Afro Samurai:
Good looking out, I'll give it look and may have to wait a week which wouldn't kill me.
[Nexus 6  General] FatCat0:
The deal says you can qualify with Edge (in the conditions at the bottom of the page).
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
Have had the return device issue with them a couple of times. From my understanding you are only required to give them ANY VZW phone, doesn't need to be the one that you are currently using
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
Not true. It has to be the device that was on the line at the time you qualified for Edge. If you are doing the Edge Up coming off an Edge agreement it must be the previous Edge device (in good condition). If doing Early Edge you must trade in the device as stated above.
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
Hmm my brother didn't trade his xt926 in when he got his max shortly after release. I know he fought then on it, and ended up trading in a older flip phone.

However if it costs you your current smart phone as partial trade in, I would never do edge.
[Nexus 6  General] Novakingwai:
After 2 years of edge the phone is yours to keep. You only have to turn on your old phone if you didn't do the whole 24 months

You are trade in eligible after 75 percent of the phone is paid off. So if you're the kind who liked to upgrade every year then edge is beneficial
[Nexus 6  General] crossen0:
I'm happily dropping my GS4 off on Friday to pick up the N6 for Edge.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
This is true.

For myself, having been on my GNex since release, I can grab the N6 on edge and have nothing to trade in for it, as I'm joining edge, now near the end of my edge period and I want to upgrade from the N6 to something else, then it becomes an issue, ans they want their property which technically by upgrading early I haven't "Fully paid off yet".
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Let's be clear, if you are initiating a brand new Edge contract, meaning you have never used Edge before or that you paid off in full your last Edge contract, you do NOT have to trade in your existing phone.

The only time you trade in your existing phone is when you are currently on an Edge contract and have paid 75% of the phone off and are Edging up - then you must turn in the phone that was financed through the Edge contract. If you are offered an early Edge upgrade, you also must turn in the phone that was financed through Edge.
[Nexus 6  General] nbdysreal:
Dropped by the Verizon store and ran into the Moto rep. Asked him about the phone being released Thursday and he said don't count on it. He also saw the internet rumors/pics but said it still isn't finalized but will be soon. He did say that it will only be 32 blue and it will be fairly soon, but not this week. Take that for what its worth, just passing along what the Moto Rep told me.
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
Lol one of my best friends is a mgr at local vzw ,it will be Thursday.. Check back here bring your moto rep on Thursday. Rumors are true..lol must say pretty good timeing to walk in and run into a moto rep with all that knowledge;)
[Nexus 6  General] nbdysreal:
Its all good either way. I have a moto 64gb, just wanted to see if they'd sell me a case yesterday, assuming today is release. If he's wrong, he's wrong., no skin off my back. Just passed along what he said.

If it is today, what time do they normally throw phones up to order on the website? Still says coming soon.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
Word of mouth means nothing till a release actually happens. Usually verizon will tell you what you want to hear.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
It's not today, it's tomorrow.
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/03/11/verizons-nexus-6-officially-arrives-tomorrow-with-android-5-1/just a heads up its official..Tell the moto rep!!lmao

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http://www.verizonwireless.com/news...op-and-verizon-4g-lte-available-march-12.htmlHate to say I'm right but I'm right!see ya guys Friday in nexus land rooted and unlocked!!!!
[Nexus 6  General] nbdysreal:
Why do you hate to say you're right? Thats good news for all Verizon people. Hopefully we can get moto and gpe editions whitelisted to make our lives easier!

Guess it goes to show that the Moto reps are just as bad as Verizon sales :laugh:
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Once Phandroid leaked the screen shots of the Verizon computer there was never any doubt at all that it would be released on the 12th online.
[Nexus 6  General] FatCat0:
So is there any reason to purchase it at the 2 year contract price instead of edge? By my math, you save about $200, can still get the comcast $200 card, and you have the option of keeping the phone even if you want to upgrade early (you'll pay ~$160 extra to do this if you edge up at the 18 month mark).

Edit: This is presuming a $25 credit toward the phone per month. I don't remember the requirements for this, maybe 6 gigs of data on the account?
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
I have done edge since day one cuzz my friend works for them I got to try it out few months early (edge). I think edge is great nexus is 27 I get 25 bill credit so I'm paying 2 dollars a month for the device can't beat that.Edge if u have over 6gig I think is 25 and less its 15. It will cost me 67 dollars to edge up from g3 to nexus
[Nexus 6  General] Novakingwai:
6 gb or more you get 25 discount.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
I think that its hilarious that my VZ GNex is rocking 5.1 right now, and the phone I want isn't yet available. :)

I'm in the air on this, do I order online with overnight tomorrow, going thru comcast for the $200 card, or just wait a week and grab it in a corp store?

(that being if you get yours on Friday and have an issue with it your a week from going to a store that could give you a replacement)
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
I will keep my g3 till its unlocked and rooted..if there are issues replacement should not take but 24 -48 hours ..I never go in store for issue,I know more than they could ever possible tell me
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
totally with you there, that likely applies to most of us here. I'd go if an issue, but that's because I have a good friend a the corp store I do business with, and only for that.
[Nexus 6  General] w4itg:
What I'd like to know is, is my "not bought at Verizon" N6 going to become a recognized device? Just like everyone else mine shows as a non-vzw device. Also am I gonna be able to get enhanced hd voice with web and phone simultaneously? I know they're all the same phone no matter where purchased.

If not this one is gonna be on eBay or swappa real cheap. Then I'll have to pay full price for one at Verizon. I gotta have my simultaneous web and phone. :o:thumbup:

Sent from my Nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] 92slammer:
my guess is that after tomorrow all nexus 6 will become a "recognized device" because they will officially support it then. I also contacted asurion to see if I purchased a nexus 6 from motorola if it would be covered seeing how i currently have insurance on my LGG3...they said yes. Guess we will see tomorrow
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
Nobody knows. All we can do is wait and see. Some think only Verizon devices will be recognized, others only Verizon+Google Play, others Verizon+Google Play+Motorola, and still others say all Nexus 6s will be recognized. It's really entirely up to Verizon and which IMEI ranges they decide to flag as recognized devices in their database.

Every indication there is yes. Even with the Nexus 6 currently showing as an unrecognized device, the option to add "Advanced Calling" to the line is already present in My Verizon, and Google has confirmed 5.1 will support VoLTE and HD Voice natively. So I'm very optimistic this will work for all Nexus 6 devices.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Well, the exact opposite is true of the iPhones so there is no reason to think that.

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All we know is that for iPhones, the only iPhones that Verizon recognizes as supported devices are the SIM free (because Apple forced Verizon to) and the Verizon iPhone.

AT&T, Sprint and TMobile iPhones are not recognized as supported devices on Verizon even though the AT&T and TMobile iPhones are the exact same model as the Verizon and the Sprint iPhone is the exact same model as the SIM free iPhone.

Not really, b/c all we have to go on are the iPhones.

Which is great b/c it likely means once you get 5.1 on your device you will have VoLTE capabilities but it doesn't mean that your device will ever be recognized as supported by Verizon given how it works with the iPhones.

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Not if it works with the N6 the same way as it works with iPhones.

Does HD Voice show as a feature on your line that you can add on MyVerizon?
[Nexus 6  General] w4itg:
Yes it does and I just added it. I don't really care if it's recognized I just want HD voice so I can have my at the same time voice and web. I REALLY MISS IT!!!!!
[Nexus 6  General] rgraville:
Unlimited is more than 6gb. Can I still get the $25 credit?
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
I think that as long as you can add HD Voice to your line, once you are on 5.1 VoLTE will work.
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
No I believe you have to be on a More Everything plan to get the discount.
[Nexus 6  General] Novakingwai:
No you have to be on the more everything plan to get the discount. The unlimited data plans are on older plan names so they don't qualify.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Free Google Play Music for 6 months is through 3/31/15 now for all N6 not just Verizon. Redeem by 4/20/15.

https://store.google.com/terms/play_music_2015q1

Also, the 64GB white N6 is in stock at both Motorola and Google Play Store. 3% cash back if you sign up for a mrrebates.com account, click through mrrebates.com and buy through Motorola.
[Nexus 6  General] nbdysreal:
Sorry man, looks like the Rep was right. You can ORDER it, but it won't ship until 3/18/15. Add it to cart on the VZ site. Hate it that the rep was right. I doubt any stores will have stock before they start to ship the website orders either. Hopefully they ship it early to all you guys!

About to flash 5.1 and see what happens!
[Nexus 6  General] santanac:
Finally. Black??

http://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/google-nexus-6/
[Nexus 6  General] piaa_nissan:
I'd heard rumors of white with red lettering but alas black is it for now. Just ordered mine with a backorder status of 3/18. Opted for priority overnight to minimize the wait. The press release said the stores won't have it until 3/19 so at least it's a day early..
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
black, isn't it midnight blue?
[Nexus 6  General] piaa_nissan:
Actually no, the one for VZ is black with their branding under the Nexus on the back.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Full retail price is shown as 649 on VZW website. Interesting.

Got tired of waiting and now that my edge contract matures by second half of this year I'm gonna wait it out. Doesn't make sense to upgrade now that much faster newer 810 powered devices are only 6 months out..
[Nexus 6  General] Novakingwai:
Then you shouldn't upgrade to those either because newer processors will be out 6 months after that. May as well never get a new technology device ever as there will always be an upgrade. ;)
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Wrong. The "tick" as I call it from the 801/802 to the 805 devices we currently have available was very minor. My "old" Note 3 runs a half a second or so faster than every Note 4 I've held, in person and in stores when doing normal everyday things like launching apps or just moving through the gui. The two devices for the most part feel exactly the same. That's not an upgrade. The 810 devices should be noticeably faster, both through cpu and gpu advancements , peceptibly so, and will also bring true 64bit compatibility.

I call the 802/805 to 810 a "tock" in the tick took cycle.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Well all I have to say about that is I got my Verizon GNex in December of 2011 and it wasn't until March 2015 that another Verizon Nexus appeared on the scene.
[Nexus 6  General] dabug123:
Lol dude u said the date were wrong but OK I just ordered..you said blue and its black!Have a good man enough bull for one week..either way mine will come soon..!!!!
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I really don't care that this is a Nexus. I wanted an upgrade from my Note 3. That would include a larger screen, and front facing stereo speakers, without giving up anything. The fact the VZW note 4 is locked up tighter than a nun and it is only a mild upgrade over the Note 3 made me want the Nexus 6 for reasons above, but it's too little too late now.
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Good luck with future Verizon phones that have unlockable bootloaders. Unless Samsung or Motorola is allowed by Verizon to offer a Dev Ed, the only hope is for HTC or LG to have lax security so that their bootloaders can be hacked.

There is a Verizon Note 4 Dev Ed but no Verizon Moto X 2014 Dev Ed. The N6 may be the last Verizon phone with an unlockable bootloader.