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[MeMO Pad 7 General] elgiraffe:
That was weird

First off, thanks a million Gentaz. This was the only place with consolidated instructions on how to root this device. I'm really looking forward to playing with this.

Now for my weirdness. Someone let me know if you know what happened. I didn't see anything like this throughout the thread.

I started off signing into google play store and playing around with it for about 15 minutes before I couldn't stand it without root. I downloaded the "root zenfone" app from post #7. I installed it and everything looked okay. The demo mode started. It seemed to freeze up, but I eventually got out of that and rebooted the device. I didn't get the Android being serviced screen. It booted up normal, but no root. I rebooted, still no root. I ran "root zenfone" again and the button was stuck at "checking". Root checker said I didn't have root. I booted into recovery mode and chose factory reset. It deleted all of my data, but now I have root.

Any idea what happened there? I have root so I guess all is good, but I think I'm still going to flash the firmware and root again later.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] TujungaGuy:
I'm still on 11.8.3.30 and have 1080p youtube. This was enabled with one of the recent Youtube app updates.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] GideonMouth:
Not that it's very helpful, but I had a similar experience the first time I rooted, I have since factory reset a couple times and it hasn't done that again...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
I don't know how does the application work so it's hard to tell, most rooting methods use a weakness of some sort in the protections used the vendor. I rooted the memo twice : first time under 8.3.30 then after a soft brick, I flashed 8.3.31 using recovery method then rooted with no issues.

I remember my first android where rooing was just a matter of "chmod u+x /system/bin/sh" through adb shell via the bootloader...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] mingkee:
Root and SD patch are still there after update. However, I am unable to sideload app anymore after the update.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] tycoo:
I didn't update yet, but with WW 11.8.3.30 Xposed is running fine. I am using following modules without issues: AppSettings, XPrivacy & MinMinGuard.

GravityBox EDIT: Sorry, i was talking about Greenify. Didn't test GravityBox. Greenify is working too with a single bug: You have to disable the track&amp feature (second beneath keep notifiations), otherwise my tablet is rebooting everytime i open a greenified app.

I recommend to test the module AppSettings. There you can force every app to use your prefered orientation, change dpi, resolution and some more...

What is the SD patch for? Thanks Asus they already implemented the ability to move apps to sd.

regards

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Successfully updated from WW 11.8.3.30 to WW 11.8.3.31 OTA without issues. Tablet is still rooted, i just had to install xposed again, as usual.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Abhijeet357:
I have lost root after upgrading via recover as I was not getting the ota update. Any remedy? Can I downgrade to old firmware?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
You should be able to just download the older firmware from the website and flash that instead.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
Sorry i forgot to answer this : that was the point of the thread....

No it isn't : on my first debloat frenzy I removed those apps but you end up with a crappy sound (quality and volume).

Unless there's a workaround that doesn't involve running apps I don't recommend removing those. The only thing you can do is move the wizard into userspace as you can see in my list, allowing this app to be greenified, but max audio and ice server should stay on system side.

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I also removed sound recorder with no issues. No titanium or any backup app either for me so I can't tell but I think the issue was somewhere else.

I usually back up my devices via rsync on a home server, thus I reckon it's no use to rebuild a whole bricked system, it saved me more times than any backup app. Unless a cwm or twrp become available, backups seems kind of useless to me.

Any advice/experience ?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] leo72793:
Closed causes overkill for me on 11.8.3.30. Anyone know why
[MeMO Pad 7 General] mingkee:
[QUO

What is the SD patch for? Thanks Asus they already implemented the ability to move apps to sd.

regards

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Successfully updated from WW 11.8.3.30 to WW 11.8.3.31 OTA without issues. Tablet is still rooted, i just had to install xposed again, as usual.[/QUOTE]

Fix unable to write to memory card with third party app problem.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] somboons:
My tablet is ME572CL I rooted on .26 successfully.But I can not OTA.How can I do?

(I can upgrade firmware via SD Download but I lost root)
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
Thanks, and sorry in return for taking so long with a response. Been rather busy lately!

Yeah, I think it was something else I had removed without testing first. So far, since updating the firmware to the latest, I'm still running with lots of apps frozen but nothing removed. Haven't had the time to go through and try deleting them off. I use Titanium Backup for all my Android devices, and it's able to restore apps from backups it makes. I've never had an issue with getting a restored app to work again. It's a great tool to have, and you can copy the backups off of the SD card, or save them to a cloud service like Dropbox (if you pay for it).
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
[MENTION=4791226]pWEN[/MENTION]

I'm still using 8.3.30, and tried xposed : it looks looks like its adding 150-300 MB of mem consumption and and bit more of battery drainage, GravityBox doesn't help to provide forced screen rotation so I'm still using the application i found, but I'm glad to have a full screen and a pie menu back... Thanks !

Once again, I reduced the number of apps necessary in the /system/app* folders : it's now down to 11 (+supersu) : I currently have no frozen apps and moved all the rest in /data/app folder !

Here we are : The strict minimum !

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I'm running this since a few days and have no issues so far...

I like the idea of your spreadsheet : maybe you could add; beyond the fact that an app could be critical (or you end up with a brick), necessary (or you'll loose important system or hardware functions), or removable (bloatware and other vendor apps); a column to state whether it can be moved to userspace or not ?

I think this is one of the key points to have an "obedient", responsive, fast and battery efficient system because you have more control over the activity of applications that can be moved to /data, replace and update them. I updated many asus apps via alternative markets, I may already have more recent apps that those provided in the 8.3.31 update...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
I saw you mention moving apps to /data/app before, but neglected to ask you about it. Can you describe this a bit more? Is there a certain app you use to do this? What's the full path leading to /data/app? What do you accomplish by moving apps there, besides being able to update them independently? I'll definitely add that column to the spreadsheet once I know a bit more about what's involved.

Admittedly, I don't know much about truly optimizing performance on an Android device. I usually debloat it as much as I feel comfortable, then add something like Nova Laucher or GravityBox to tweak it to my liking. Sometimes I install a custom ROM that's built to be fast and efficient, but obviously that's not currently possible with these MemoPads.

So those 11 apps in your screenshot are the bare minimum needed to run the tablet? Interesting! I see your list is only showing app names, and some of them are in French (?). Can you provide the list with either the app name or package name? (That is, for example, AsusLiveDemo.apk for the app name, and com.asus.livedemo for the package name.)
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
As you know (or not), installing or (re)moving an application is just a matter of copying/moving/deleting an apk file from/to specifics folders in the system.

There's the /data/app folder (this is the full path, linux style) that I like to call "userspace" where the applications added by the user (you) are, and the /system/app folder where system and vendor provided apps are (there are other folders, but let's not get to much into details I don't know much myself).

The privileges granted to an app, besides su/root mecanism, depends in which of the the folders you put the apk file : user or system, when an app is in userspace, you can greenify it (or kill it without respawns), and it will be considered as a "purgeable" candidate by the system when freeing memory.

No surprisingly, the system folder is also the place you'll find "vendor provided bloatware", as you are not ought to have access to it.

There are many, even important apps, that you don't want to have running all the time or consume mem for many reasons : useless or rarely used (download provider, gallery, animated screen selector), never shuts down properly (maps,browser provider,...), or bothers you (download ui, multimedia manager, ....).

To move the still needed, but not system important apps, you just have to copy the apks from a folder to another... As I see it, any app can run from system folder (but we don't want that), and some critical ones can't run outside of this folder (AsusAirStatus), or won't provide functionality because of privileges issues (fused location), but some can be moved to userspace : the trick is to guess which ones...

Any moving method can do the trick, but to ease things up, I'm using "/system/app mover" application (yes that's the name of the app) I found on f-droid (open source apps market).

As I don't know any other app to have system apks displayed, the one I'm using is displaying localized names (I'm French), I'll try to find another way...

And yes, those apps are the minimum you have to have in system...

But no, it's not a bare mininum in itself : you may see there's no launcher, no providers (input method, storage, ....), .... If you had a system with only those apps : I guess it shouldn't work.

But having this list is great because now you don't really care to know if an app is system critical or not before deleting or freezing it : if it's not in the list just move it to userspace, then reboot and greenify it, and it won't bother you again !

See the list of system and user apps currently running on my memo : just what's needed ☺

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Remove the xda app and process monitor threads and you have my memo pad "idle state" : 14 running apps !
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
Here is a list with supersu and packages names, but couldn't have English names for the apps :

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My Apps List

There are 12 applications installed in my K007

Application Name Package Name

Aide accès au package com.android.defcontainer

ASUS_Air_Status com.asus.airstatus

Fused Location com.android.location.fused

ICEsound Service dk.icepower.icesound

IU système com.android.systemui

KeyguardTestActivity com.android.keyguard

MaxxAudioService com.asus.maxxaudio

Paramètres com.android.settings

Partage Bluetooth com.android.bluetooth

Stockage des paramètres com.android.providers.settings

SuperSU eu.chainfire.supersu

Système Android android

This list is generated by My Apps List by CM Products
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
My bad : it seems that media provider and document ui have to be in system; they're not system critical but you'll loose custom sound notifications : only a standard "ding" would play instead of the ones selected in gravitybox and system settings wouldn't recognize/play any...

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My Apps List

There are 14 applications installed in my K007

This list is generated by My Apps List by CM Products

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com.android.defcontainer

com.asus.airstatus

com.android.documentsui

com.android.location.fused

dk.icepower.icesound

com.android.systemui

com.android.keyguard

com.asus.maxxaudio

com.android.settings

com.android.bluetooth

com.android.providers.settings

com.android.providers.media

eu.chainfire.supersu

android

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[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
Ah, okay, I get it now. I'm trying out some apps to move, and I'm updating my spreadsheet with a new column to mark which apps are safe to move using that app you mentioned.

A couple things I've run into so far...

1. When I tried moving the Amazon Kindle app out of system, it prompted me to remove updates first. I did, and then the app vanished! I found a backup in TitaniumBackup I had done before, so I tried restoring it, which brought it back. Then it installed updates again. Tried again, and it vanished again. Repeated one more time, and now it seems to be out of system all on its own. Very strange, but probably something I screwed up somewhere along the line.

2. When trying to move App Lock (com.asus.lock) out of system, it rebooted my tablet. I don't know if something has locked it in place, if it needs to force-stop first, or what. I've marked it as "no" in the "safe to move" column on my spreadsheet for now.

3. A few more apps are simply saying they can't be moved. Some of them, like "ASUS MyWater", I can't find in the regular app list, so I'm not sure how to force-stop them.

Edit: I tried moving the Google Play Store out of system and I lost the ability to update apps (error 491). Tried removing and re-adding my Google account but it didn't help. Going to flash the firmware and start over.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
[MENTION=4791226]pWEN[/MENTION]

Sorry to hear about your google issues, I should stress that I don't use any of the Google services (only maps apps and web search) so I guess it makes things easier for me...

I don't see the point on a tablet of having all those google apps and process just for an app market : contacts and cal are no use or don't need full time backgroung sync as it could be on a mobile... but in fact I dropped google from my phone too and am happier without it ! (I make my "own").

For 1 : just reboot between each downgrade/(un)freeze/(re)move it should solve disappearing apps issue. At the end of booting sequence it'll trigger a dalvik cache refresh : you'll see a "installing apps" or "optimizing apps" screen with a countdown corresponding to the number of apps you moved.

2 : I dont remind having issues moving this one, but I dont use lockscreen either... I moved it : i'll check if it still works.

3 : I had no pb moving my water and now updated to 1.2.0.150209 (name changed to livewater).

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Even if /system/apps mover says it had issues, the apk had been moved anyway : if the app is broken, reboot, move it back then reboot. You may try it for the store apk as well.

The play store issue may be the fact that its supposed to be in /system (as it doesn't ask for su perms) and may be dependent on some other apps (framework and gms). Some of them may be in /system/priv-app folder which isn't taken into account by the moving app...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
[MENTION=6264492]Gentaz[/MENTION]

Ohhhh. You don't have ANYTHING Google on your tablet? Here I was operating under the assumption that you were starting from a fresh firmware and moving everything before testing, not after having already moved and removed a bunch of stuff. And I didn't know about the /system/priv-app folder. You hadn't mentioned any of this before, and I've been basing a lot of my tinkering on this tablet from what you've said. :p

Yeah, I found that rebooting makes the apps come back, and that even if it says it couldn't move it, it probably did.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
Arfff sorry for this misunderstanding [MENTION=4791226]pWEN[/MENTION] but your asumption, as I understand it, seems correct : I started from a fresh install as you say, then root and then debloat : see the firsts posts of this thread where I clearly describe that I removed google framework, play store,...., and also warn about the fact that I don't use any of the google services, besides maps and search.

Google apps are not necessary to have android working and it does't make the memo loose any of its hardware abilities. They're just preinstalled apps, and like asus ones, they may be considered as bloat :

- they can't be ran as user apps but don't need to be up all the time (but they do) : no "greenifying" possible...

- they'll do things you don't know about, eating away the cpu/batt resources, and can contribute to track you online or whatever (I don't really care but it makes a good point :)

- free, stuffed with more apps, less intrusive and less resources consuming alternatives do exist !

Although the store is not necessary, it's a bit of a hastle to go without it and the same applies to the keyboard, the launcher (maybe having a least one is necessary) and so on. That's why I insisted on "minimum list of system apps" and not "minimum list of apps" previously, which is not the same : comming up with the first is a lot easier that the latter one...

This may be the subject of another thread (there's much to say as well) but let's go short : here is my "google/vendors bloated but necessary apps alternative list to circumvent not having those apps but keeping on doing the same as before" ? (ok, not short enough...).

Launcher : zero launcher

Play store : f-droid and aptoide

Contact/Cal sync : davdroid (owncloud backend)

GMail : k9

Maps : Maps.me (with local maps, truly usefull on a wifi only tablet !)

GDrive & picasa : owncloud (self hosted but you can find free hosting on the net)

Browser : lightning

Media player : ACEplayer and MXplayer

Maybe I should not say this, but you also have cracked apps available on aptoide, and some paid apps on the store are free elsewere, no cracking or piracy involved : see the owncloud client app example that you can dowload from the homepage or f-droid but is a paid app on the store...

So... still using the play store ?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
Btw : moved to userspace lockscreen app works !

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But I wont be the one to try with the keyguard apk... maybe, [MENTION=4791226]pWEN[/MENTION], if you planned to reflash because of your store issues, you may give it a try ? (Be sure to check if the "home" navbar button is still working once moved and rebooted)

It's great fun to mess with a device you know you'll be reflashing soon ☺
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
[MENTION=6264492]Gentaz[/MENTION]

Ah, okay. No, that's my bad, I missed all of that.

That's a pretty interesting setup! To be honest, I don't mind the heavier Google apps, and in fact, I use some of them frequently (Google+ for example). I'll be keeping a couple of them on the tablet. I may look into these other things, though...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
So Version TW_V12.14.1.9 just hit the firmware downloads page. Time to do this song and dance all over again. :D As long as we're able to retain root, of course...

The file isn't there yet, but I'm guessing this will be the direct link to the WW version: Version WW_V12.14.1.9

Edit:

Use these links

ME572C

ME572CL
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
According to other threads, you're likely to loose root with the new update even if done OTA.

I guess I'll stick with my rooted, ungoogled and debloated .30 which has been great till now ☺
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
Humblebrag. :P Yeah, it's true, you lose root. When I upgraded from .31 to 5.0.1, it only added a couple of apps, and it let me disable them. It didn't re-add the crap that was on there before, I guess because it was an OTA update. It'll do for now, as I only really needed root for removing apps to begin with.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] Gentaz:
Unfortunately, for those who made deep changes, OTA is not an option (dont have the needed apps) : so updating actually means installing via the SD and maybe see bloat or bad tuning back (can't make this clear through user experiences I've read so far).

I'm not sure I'm ready to give up root as well : this is the major issue for me... Hopping for a recovery mod that would make all this a lot easier, but it's not likely to happen given Asus' not wiling to give away unlock method and no exploit has been found till now...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] kanagawaben:
Finally managed to figure out how to flash the WW firmware onto my JP me572cl (had to do from SD as MOFD_SDUPDATE) so have gone from rooted and debloated .31 JP to the rootless WW lollipop. Seems quick though - gives me 1000 better Antutu score than the debloated kitkat did. Now just need someone smart to figure out a root solution
[MeMO Pad 7 General] hokuto34:
Kingroot apk new v4

Is there anybody with bootloader unlocked to try to root Lollipop with this app, because with bootloader locked that don't work ?

I rooted my hp slate 21, 4.4.2 bootloader locked, without loosing anything !
[MeMO Pad 7 General] hokuto34:
Did you try to root with the new Kingroot v4 ?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] kanagawaben:
No. Is there any reason to think it will work?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] hokuto34:
because the editor says it can do it with Lollipop, but I have not unlocked yet my tab, so I don't want loosing all my datas to try it for nothing if it don't work (works on devices with bootloader locked with Kitkat for example my HP Slate 21) !
[MeMO Pad 7 General] GideonMouth:
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[MeMO Pad 7 General] kanagawaben:
Tried it, doesn't work. There is no boot loader unlock for this tablet yet, is there?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] MrSimmonsSr:
Not that I've heard of, and Asus support has told some that there won't be.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] kanagawaben:
I'm hoping one of the smart guys on here could do a pre-rooted version of the firmware, like they have done for the Zenfone 2. Although currently Asus have pulled the 5.01 firmware anyway...
[MeMO Pad 7 General] andiak:
Hey guys i need help. I have flashed this fw V12.14.1.12 For WW from the asus Website. I have flashed from sd card after tge instructions on post #6 in this thread.

Now i have this Problem:

After the boot i have to select language, wlan, google synchron etc, and after that i need to set the time. And when i press now forward after the time slide i return to the first slide where i have to pick the lanquage. I cannot leave this settingsapp :( can somebody help me please
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
I think you can bypass it by just hitting the home button. See if you get the regular buttons when sliding up from the bottom of the screen. Or slide from the top and see if you can get into Settings.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] andiak:
Well no i have tried this already. When i slide from the down i see for a very short time the black thing where the buttons shoud be, but there are no one. Fron the top the same nothing happens.

And another thing. When i try to get into recovery mode the tablet try to make another(probably the same) software update. When an sd card insert it works, when not a failure came and i have to reboot.
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
What version were you flashing from before trying V12.14.1.12?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
I can confirm that root is now available on 5.0.1 Lollipop for this tablet! There are a number of steps you need to go through to accomplish this, though. Also, here is a list of apps that are safe to remove. Please PM me if you find any errors or want to update it.

The instructions I had originally posted are now obsolete. Instead, please use xda-log's instructions found here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=61619082&postcount=637
[MeMO Pad 7 General] kubino99:
Great list, just one remark AsusCmera, ASUSBrowser and AsusEmail are needed for lockscreen/shortcut settings.... otherwise it'll FC

Edit: the solution is to change them for another shortcuts before deleting ;)
[MeMO Pad 7 General] pWEN:
It's possible to change the quick launch shortcuts from the top tray? Or do you mean just the shortcuts on the lockscreen?
[MeMO Pad 7 General] kubino99:
yes the shortcuts on the lockscreen. If you try access "Settings/Lock Screen/Quick access" menu you should get FC, when you remove apps which where set as default (AsusCmera, ASUSBrowser and AsusEmail)