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[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
My guess is no but it will be added shortly after launch when 5.1 comes out. Like you said just a guess though.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
Nexus 6 doesnt have volte out of the box, but rumors I keep reading are that the next big update of 5.1 or higher should.

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Rumors I keep seeing pop up is if u got a nexus from another carrier (ie att or sprint) that the verizon company will not recognize it on their my account. Not sure how true that is, but that is one thing.
[Nexus 6  General] TiltedAz:
It's empty hope only if you're clueless. VZ carries 729% debt (long term debt/shareholder equity). Compare that to ATT's 80%, T-Mobile's 156%, and Sprint's 126%.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
As a result of buying out Vodafone, which they expect to pay off within 5 years. See I can Google too :rolleyes:
[Nexus 6  General] srphoenix:
I would say only buy it through Motorola or google play if you're worried about issues activating it long term on verizon without having the unrecognized device issue. Any of the motorola or google play purchases should be able to activate normally once verizon has the phone go live in it's systems.

As far as verizon itself goes, I've tried t-mobile and it was awful in Green Bay, att and sprint both have okay service but nothing competes with verizon up here. Especially due to the deal they have with the local regional carrier cellcom. They use cellcom's voice towers in areas that verizon doesn't have them and cellcom uses verizon's data towers.
[Nexus 6  General] TiltedAz:
Wrong again. My info is via financial service subscription. There are other equally important factors but I don't have the time to waste so I'll leave that for you as an exercise.
[Nexus 6  General] hotrodwinston:
The apple watch is being released March 9 so Vzw will push back the nexus 6 launch for that as well - then we have the gs6 launch (can't have other devices in the way of that!) and the moto e and the LG g4 - you know they said "soon" and soon rhymes with June so...
[Nexus 6  General] Ajm213:
WTF

This guy says "check it out in our stores or online"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0-Ud_aA8s&feature=youtu.be
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
Looks like someone at Verizon messed up and posted it early. It's not launching today.
[Nexus 6  General] Afro Samurai:
Somebody might be in trouble....:eek:
[Nexus 6  General] terrigan:
Wow thanks for that heads up. I totally didn't realize that i'd have to unlock the bootloader. I was merely saying that I currently have an S5 with NO CHANCE of an unlocked bootloader. The N6 is as close as i'm getting at this point.
[Nexus 6  General] dmichael:
Yep, video has now been marked as private. Too bad, I was hoping the news of a March 12th release wasn't true. Looking more and more likely now.
[Nexus 6  General] Lw00d:
video is private..

what did the video contain?
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
It was just a basic overview video talking about the key features of the phone.
[Nexus 6  General] HD_Dude:
VOLTE and 5.1 Baked In on March 12th: Phandroid

Again, I can't post links...too new.

But Phandroid is saying March 12th is the date...and when the Nexus 6 is released on Verizon, it will be equipped with the 5.1 update and VOLTE.

They suggest that's why it was delayed.

Two more weeks. Yikes.
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
Here you go:

http://phandroid.com/2015/02/26/exclusive-verizon-nexus-6-march-12-android-5-1-volte-support/
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
I wonder if the rear cover issue may be part also.
[Nexus 6  General] nkhex19:
For those who purchased the Nexus 6 from either Motorola or GPS and are running it on Verizon's network will they receive OTA updates through Verizon?
[Nexus 6  General] papi5120:
The otas are through Google not Verizon, but you will get the same updates regardless where you bought the phone.
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
Yes you have to "unlock" the Nexus 6 but it's a case of following a simple documented process as opposed to hacking something the carrier or manufacturer is trying to keep you from doing.

Further note that when you unlock, it erases your whole phone and resets it, so if you know you're going to unlock you might as well do it right away when you get the phone before you start fiddling with it.

Finally, the purpose of all this is security. If they sold the phone unlocked, or unlocking didn't wipe all your data, it would be a security risk since if someone got their hands on your phone they could simply install whatever ROM they wanted. If your data were unencrypted they would then have free access to all of it, but even with encrypted data an attacker can install a trojan horse ROM that looks "normal" to you but really phones home after you enter your PIN and sends your data off into the ether. So by unlocking you are saying you accept the risk. It doesn't make sense to sell a mass market phone with a boot loader unlocked by default, only if you were selling it as a developer edition/testing device or something similar might it make sense.

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I still don't quite get this. I thought the carriers could push some stuff out based on whether the carrier SIM is installed in the phone (but agreed, not based on where you bought the phone). Is that just "bloatware" apps e.g. the My Verizon app or can the carriers push out some OS updates of their own, perhaps that patch on top of the base updates from Google?
[Nexus 6  General] ckarrow2:
From what I understand when you insert your carrier's sim into any nexus 6 (except sim locked models) it can download the carrier's pet software, i.e. voicemail apps, account apps. From that point on all OTA OS updates are handled by Google.
[Nexus 6  General] bwheelies:
Funny you mention the Trojan. As soon as I unlocked my boot loader and rooted my phone I got a spam text message with a web link. I was trying to erase the text message and accidentally clicked the link. Phone has been doing odd random things since.

Reported to FTC as a phishing scam. Not sure if it was an isolated incident.

Anyone believing any Verizon rep is a fool. These people lie for sport and big red cares not. They are probably tired of dealing with the nagging, to be fair to them.
[Nexus 6  General] hotrodwinston:
So I'm considering just getting the droid turbo - can't think of one thing I "need" root for, and lollipop while wonderful is not that big a upgrade in features from the moto kit Kat.

Plus bigger battery and fits in a pocket better (and available now) any reasons to wait for the n6?
[Nexus 6  General] rajones19:
I can't speak for anybody but myself - but I have to say my wife upgraded to the Turbo a couple months back, and she loves the thing. It is a rocket, she gets three days consistently out of her battery (I doubt I could get three, but I'll bet I would get two days.). I have seriously considered it myself, even knowing it isn't unlockable and probably will never be rootable either. Solid signal, solid build - It is a beast. My bigger concern is how often (or how rarely) the updates will come.

Some have said all updates will come from Google - and that may be true - but I can promise you VZW will have a lot to say about it. The Galaxy Nexus was about 4 or 5 updates behind virtually everybody else when it was finally retired - and that was VZW's doing.
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
I am looking at the fact it is a Nexus that can be altered ( ie. Rooted, unlocked, ROMs). Even though not the greatest battery out and a larger screen then I care for, if history repeats as with other Nexus devices then it will continue to get updates early on and from Google not depending on VZW. I got 2 moto X 2013 that are unlocked and 2 moto maxxs 32gbs and we are not getting any updates as of yet. We have heard that the update is ready just VZW is holding up for what ever reason. Seams to be the trend for VZW over the last few years of only supporting the newest phone they sell and forgetting the rest.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
I have the turbo. Its a nice phone but the community on here there are some that just pushed people away by complaining. I am a user that needs and wants root, and my best bet is its not coming anytime soon. I use it as a back up

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That is actually incorrect now about the updates. AS of the nexus 6 if u bought from a carrier the updates will take longer now pending partners. Basically meaning you will have to wait before verizon/att approves. Google just updated it..

here is a link:

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...ed-waits-may-longer-depending-carrier-571594/

My bet is verizon will take longer.
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
Thank you for that link I had my suspicion but could not get confirmation in another thread, probably cause I didn't word it right.

Very true Verizon will screw things up of they get the chance!

So let me ask you (or any one else that knows for sure) is this a safe and true statement..

"Buy a carrier branded N6, unlock, flash stock Google (Motorola) unbranded firmware result, no more bloat, pure Vanilla Android, and either update manually (download Google updates and flash) or maybe Google OTAs."

Only thing I am thinking is you won't get new VZW bloat and software.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
From my intake froma friend of mine that has a att branded nexus 6 there is no differences in the OS. The only thing on his device is the sim lock, and also carrier bloat, but its removable. I am going to take a guess from a long shot and say verizon will do the same. I dont see why unlocking, and flashing stock wouldnt work. I am not saying yes or no I am just saying as a guess I think there should be no problem its still the same os just added bloat (att part).

Read this link below

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/194793-dont-worry-atts-customized-nexus-6-is-still-a-nexus
[Nexus 6  General] GreeKNastY:
Would unlocked versions of the phone from moto/gps be able to get VoLTE?
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
The update is universal. Its not just set with verizon. All Nexus 6 will get it with the 5.1 update

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/02/0...ipop-and-coming-to-android-one-handsets-soon/
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
To get volte you would have to use the Vet i son version of the OS.
[Nexus 6  General] HD_Dude:
Thanks for that question. I'd like to buy a Nexus 6 and root it, whenever Verizon starts selling them.

It would be my first time rooting a phone, and like other beginners, I wonder whether the pure android experience would eliminate any of the carrier-based features. Like WiFi hotspots, VZ Navigator, VoLTE, etc.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
None of the nexus 6 updates are seperate from the others. They are universal similar to apple. One update for all nexus 6's just some have carrier added bloat that can be removed. The 5.1 update will have volte for all devices
[Nexus 6  General] rekids:
After reading that, I wasn't to ask isn't carrier locking outlawed? I know they Sim lock while the phone is being paid for (on contract) but carrier locking I thought for outlawed.

I just want an unrestricted N6 that I can do whatever and not have all the dumb catches that can make life hard :(

A bonus would be to get it from VZW on an upgrade. At this point need signal everywhere I go and VZW is the only one that does that here.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
It is if u own the device, now att put that on there for people who got the device similiar to edge. Once the device is paid off i believe it can be removed..

Heres another link that explains it

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...for-tethering-and-has-the-carriers-ringtones/
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
Ok. Rechecked on volte.. It is a universal standard. Verizon likes to make things sound it is their own.

So 5.1 will drop by the 12th of March then
[Nexus 6  General] kvnhmmd:
I want to know why some people are worried about delayed updates from Verizon, or pre-installed bloatware...

Let's remember, we are on a nexus, we can simply download an update package and install it ourselves. Lots of custom roms have OTA updates built in... Cyanogenmod is well known for this.

If I would have chosen the Note 4... Then I'd be upset about delayed updates obviously...
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
Some people (not myself) like to keep the nexus original, no root/unlock bootloader nothing. Nexus used to be giving updates at a nice rate, but since the nexus 6 updates will take longer now pending partners.

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There is nothing stating that the 5.1 update will drop on the 12th. Verizon is releasing the phone on that date. Please stop giving false information. As a matter of fact 5.1 is already out to limited devices.
[Nexus 6  General] goinflyn:
I bought my n6 from t mobile but I'm using it on vzw. When Vz releases the n6 with 5.1, will I get the update as well? Will it be listed as the n6 on my acct and not Mon vzw device?
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
Please follow the rules when post. Number one rule is search.

Anyways tmobile update will come as the same as motorola and google play devices.
[Nexus 6  General] kvnhmmd:
But it's true that with a locked bootloader, stock recovery, you can still flash official signed OTA update zips... Correct? After all, this is a universal operating system? And any bloat can be removed on the nexus?
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
http://phandroid.com/2015/02/26/exclusive-verizon-nexus-6-march-12-android-5-1-volte-support/
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
Read above a few post. I talked about this with another member.

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Thats not accurate. Lol thats just a rumor on what they think. Phandroid cant be trusted on some news. there have been a few times they use news to get people to go to their site and click on articles. AKA clickbait.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
right with you there on phandroid.

Their sources originally said yesterday with teh release, and the video VZ had indicated it is coming, but once that date went by now we get this 5.1 story on the 12th?

I can believe it as possible, but highly improbable, more like it would be a day 1 OTA to 5.1.

would google, after all that VZ did for the GNex really give them that exclusive 5.1 launch of the N6 ? cmon ....

I say more clickbait, and would gladly love to be wrong, but until it's here ....

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Yes.

In fact you could unlock your bootloader, root and still get the OTA's with stock OS and recovery installed.

but why get a nexus to leave it alone like that? :)
[Nexus 6  General] johnciaccio:
When I went to the local Corporate store 2 weeks ago the manager confirmed the March date, so the Volte issue is probably accurate.
[Nexus 6  General] rajones19:
A LOT longer. As I stated previously, that was definitely the case with Verizon and the Galaxy Nexus. VZW held updates up literally forever. Other carriers got 4 or 5 updates that VZW users never got. If you unlock/root/flash ROMs, no problem - you were way ahead. The average user, however, was left in the dust.
[Nexus 6  General] the_rooter:
corporate doesnt know info till day of release. he guessed.
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
That's actually no longer true with Lollipop. Any changes to /system will cause the OTA to fail, this includes root.
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
That's exactly correct. On the Nexus 6, if you modify your system partition by so much as one byte, OTAs will fail. That's because the N6 OTAs don't patch individual files anymore. Instead the OTA patches the system as one big block, so it hashes the entire partition. If you've modified it in ANY way, the hashes won't match.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
Arrgh, my bad, I forgot about the complete system block write change.

My apologies kvnhmmd, I hate giving out bad gouge ....
[Nexus 6  General] woodsticks:
Does that also apply, if you only unlocked your bootloader without rooting?
[Nexus 6  General] woodsticks:
Ok. Just to make sure that I'm clear, unlock the bootloader, wait for OTA, then root.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
Yes, because you have left /system intact.
[Nexus 6  General] hotrodwinston:
After this latest delay I am beginning to get a "galaxy nexus" vibe to the whole situation. Combine that with my lack of need for root and the nexus 6 size (they didn't call it Shamu for nothing!) and I think I am gonna go with the droid turbo (better battery with same specs as n6 - better if you count in the m8 computing chip from moto that powers all the sensors and the always listening) so I guess this will be my last post in the nexus 6 forum.

I have a ringke Max case for the n6 i will sell for cheap if someone wants it. Send a pm first come first serve.
[Nexus 6  General] HD_Dude:
Assuming the release happens March 12th...a question about what bloatware we might find.

Doesn't most bloatware come from the manufacturer? I know carriers put some on too, but if the type of apps Samsung puts on a phone would not be there, and Google didn't put any bloat on the Nexus 6, I would believe that would eliminate 95% of it. Right?

I'd expect Verizon to load up the phone with everything they have, but besides the red Verizon splash screen at start up, most of their offerings seem to be optional, and can be deleted. The Verizon FIOS app, which allows you to watch live TV on your phone, VZ Navigator, Verizon Ringtones, Verizon Cloud, Messaging+, Visual Voice Mail...and so on.

So here's my question. Except for the splash screen, what other kind of bloatware would you expect Verizon to put on the phone?
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
While the boot screen and ringtones will live on the /oem partition and won't be removable without root, your question about the bloatware apps is completely immaterial. The bloatware will be downloaded to the device via the Play Store after initial setup. You can uninstall 100% of it, just like with AT&T and T-Mobile. And, if you don't want it to install the bloatware at all, just take the SIM out before you set it up for the first time.

People, understand this. There is no Verizon version or AT&T version or Sprint version or whatever. Every single Nexus 6 sold anywhere in the US, no matter where you bought it, is exactly the same. Yeah, some have carrier branding but they're all the same phone, the same ROM, the same radio, etc. There is ostensibly no difference between one you buy from Play or Motorola as compared to one with carrier branding. Your phone will have a Verizon logo on the back, some stuff placed onto /oem, and an IMEI number that clearly identifies it as having been sold via Verizon. The differences end there. The phone picks what bloatware gets installed based on the SIM that's in the device at setup. Even the ones you buy from Play and Motorola will download carrier bloat depending on SIM.

This is why I asked my question a few pages back. Unless y'all need that discounted price, I can't figure out for the life of me why y'all are waiting for Verizon to launch the phone. Buy one from somewhere else and use it on VZW. The phone has been out for three months already.
[Nexus 6  General] Afro Samurai:
Thanks for clearing that up, the only reason I'm waiting is the wife and I are edging up for the phone from her S4 and my Note 3. I've had a ton of questions as thru my crazy phone history I've never had a pure aosp phone. Since I've been on android it's either been Sense or Touchwiz which has made each phone carrier unique. Maybe that's where alot of the questions lie as alot of people might be like me and switching to this and never had an aosp phone, because now with alot of Big Red's phones rooting is like escaping from prison...:silly::silly:
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
Don't worry about any of that. The phone you buy from Verizon will be exactly the same as one purchased anywhere else. I bought mine from Sprint at full price because they actually had stock, then went over to Verizon, got service, phone works great.
[Nexus 6  General] HD_Dude:
I found your answer to be extremely helpful. I come here to learn, and I'm learning a lot.

As for your last point, about why people wait for the Verizon version when you can get one elsewhere - I would have gotten a Nexus 6 and put in the sim card from my Verizon Note 2, except I would have had to cut it into the nano size. And I'm pretty sure I would have destroyed it in the process!

I know, many people here would consider that easy, but many of us don't. So, just saying that's the other reason people are waiting. And waiting...
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
That is very useful information. So as long as we do the initial setup through wifi with no SIM in the device, we won't get the bloatware installed at all.

While I don' t need the discounted price, I have an upgrade available and would rather save the money. I could flip an iPhone with the upgrade, but I will spend less OOP if I use the upgrade to get a N6 than if I flip an iPhone with my upgrade and use the profit to buy an N6.

I don't like the tramp stamp but since I am putting it in a case, I won't have to look at it.

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The Droid Turbo is heavy and thick. Otherwise a nice device though. I prefer the Moto X 2014 to the DT.

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Non-Verizonites don't realize how the Edge line discount is a huge factor for people. If you have 6GB or more of data on your ME plan, you get $25/mo discount per Edge line. And you save on the bill taxes, which makes it more like $27/mo where I live. That is huge although you could get the same discount if you are month-to-month but you have to ask for the MTM discount and many people don't know that.

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For future reference, what you could have done was get Verizon to activate an NFC micro SIM in your Note 2, order a SIM cutter and a nano to micro SIM adapter off of ebay/amazon, then use the cutter to cut down the micro SIM. Pretty easy with the cutters. Then popped the cut down SIM into the adapter and back in your Note 2 to test that it was working. If so, great, it would work in the N6. If not, go back to Verizon and get another micro NFC SIM for free and try again.
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
I just noticed that I wasn't getting the $25/month discount for being out of contract that I had signed up for. I called Verizon to check on this and guess what they said....... I'm not eligible for the discount because my device was not purchased from Verizon Wireless!!!

So there's another financial reason to buy it from Verizon. Bummer. I could have sworn it said the discount included "bring your own device" when I signed up for it. In fact that's one of the reasons I rushed ahead buying the phone instead of waiting for Verizon to release it.
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
Bullsh*t. It has nothing to do with where you bought it. It has to do with the fact that it's an unrecognized phone. I had the same problem. Put your SIM card into a Verizon device, call back, and they'll be able to add it because the system will see an approved device. Or, just wait until Verizon launches the phone. Then your device should be recognized.
[Nexus 6  General] stevexyz0:
Great idea. Once you switch the SIM back to an unrecognized device, will they take the discount away again? How long has it worked for you since you pulled the SIM switch trick? The rep I talked to did claim it was based on whether the device was purchased from Verizon, but of course that may not be accurate.

So many questions to be answered on March 12th!
[Nexus 6  General] oldblue910:
I've had it for months. Once it's on there, it doesn't go away. :good:
[Nexus 6  General] JulesJam:
Ask for a supervisor, but put a Verizon branded device on your line before you call Verizon every time.

No, just put a verizon branded device back on your line b/f you call Verizon and ask for the month-to-month discount again.