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[Galaxy Tab 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DSTG:
If it's in warranty, take it to the AT&T store. Tell them you did OTA and it 'got all screwy'. don't use terms like "bricked". Feign ignorance on all the workings of rooting and roms and stuff. Don't even use the term "Rom", use "operating system". Assuming you have the same boot error message I did, something to the effect of "there was a problem updating", apparently it's common enough that they'll get you to Samsung. Samsung will email you a shipping label, and in about a week to a week in a half, I had mine back functional again. Granted they put it on 4.4.2, which is a bummer, but at least it works. No questions asked. they didn't ask me about rooting or anything, I just told them I did the update, rebooted, it rebooted once, and then I had to reboot again and it had the error. First I took it so Samsung rep at best buy, he couldn't do anything, then I took it to the AT&T store. AT&T doesn't deal with tablet warranties, so that's why they put me on the phone with Samsung. On amazon, they have refurbished t217a's for $144.00, and on the description it says they're on 4.1.2 (rootable, and upgradable to 4.2.2 w/odin, which is also rootable. 4.2.2 firmware was a gigantic pain in the ass to get a hold of, but it's out there. I know it's not the answer you want, but hope it helps at least return the tablet into working state. I don't think we'll ever see a root for t217a on 4.4.2, nor any way to downgrade back to 4.2.2. Just not enough interest from the guys with the time and know-how. It was Samsung's bottom-end tablet, and the Tab S is just better for almost everyone. I use the Tab3 7.0 for work mainly because of it's size. I'm a pilot and I strap the tablet to my leg for approach plates and maps and stuff, and the size of the 7.0 is just right. The 8.0 and 8.3(?) is just a bit to big for that purpose. Anyway, I just hope (but not holding my breath) that Samsung + AT&T well at the very LEAST update the thing to lollipop so we can at least get full external SD card function again, because aviation maps and references and the sort take up a LOT of memory after a while..
[Galaxy Tab 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rmntruexjr:
I just now saw your post. When I get back home I'll take a screenshot. It's set up identical to the one I upgraded and bricked. Rooted with kingo, installed the tweaks for this tab from development (KoolKit) and using a few xposed modules to change some notification/statusbar icons..Not much else you can do to these things, and if I had to guess, the only difference between the two would maybe be different versions of the KoolKit tweaks.

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I wish it was that easy, but I ditched AT&T years ago and went to straight talk. These tabs I purchased second hand.
[Galaxy Tab 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigdawg6183:
No worries mate. Hmmm, if it was root that was stopping the update from showing it should have been the case on both tabs. Plus, mine was originally rooted when I searched for the update and it found it fine. You do definitely have to remove root to successfully update to 4.4, which totally blows, but with the SD card changes that came out in 4.4 I had to do it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] WhiteReign:
Seems after getting the Note 4 I have found my self wondering how I was ever with out root. Its crazy I cant stand this phone with out root. Its maddening to know I have Ads and apps I don't need. If Verizon didn't offer this phone at Christmas for 150.00 I would have never got it. #1 Reason no root was out yet but I took a chance. I know now or always have that you DEVS work hard to get stuff done. This was just a big ....

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] shpotik:
Root will be out soon. I had no patience and switched to the Dev edition. I HATE ads and clustered samsung status bar with passion...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] guruleenyc:
Articulated very nicely. I too long for Root and full control of my phone restored in my hands.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] sweetboy02125:
Op is the one who has joined XDA since 2011 and more than 400+ thanks (out of 500+ posts ) Posted this in the wrong forum accidentally or didn't know this is development forum :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] choder:
This is exactly why I sold my Verizon n4 and got a nexus 6. I have never had a phone without root. It was driving me nuts as well. I love the phone but couldn't deal with no root. I check back periodically to see if root has been achieved. Maybe one day I will have a n4 again.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Meh... You can disable the bloat with the stock app manager... Yeah, not 100%, but I am not gonna obsess about 4 or 5 tiny apps or services running in the background that I don't see or notice anyway... I am not that much of a control freak... It's a phone, not the center of my universe that I feel compelled to bend 100% to my will.. hehe

Root would be nice I guess, but on these newer phones, the appeal is less and less. I can skin it however I want with dozens of launchers, and debloating a few extra apps with root won't make it any faster...

By the time root comes out, the devs will have moved on to newer phones so the ROM support will suck anyway...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
It's unfortunate. I would love to have root access on this phone for various reasons . My next phone will have it, even if I have to leave Verizon.

Sadly, the Verizon Note 4 is never going to see it...at least not before the next round of Note flagships
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mauza:
First post, just got a note 4. Had a rooted lg g2 before it. I'm loving the note so far (only had it about a week), but I use limelight to play computer games on my phone and it doesn't support mouse input very well without root access. . . As has been said I've disabled most of the bloat, but it would be nice to be able to just get rid of it. Also Sixaxis controller requires root to pair a ps3 or 4 controller to my phone... I hope root comes soon, maybe I should become a developer to help the cause. I too thank you for all your work.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
You can disable any app you want using adb shell.

This issue around root has been interesting for me. For awhile, I was like you, OP and many others who feel they must have root. However, after about 5 weeks of use now, I find myself perfectly happy with the Note 4 just the way it is and I wonder if I'll even take root-ability into consideration when making my next phone purchase.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
I am with you. Root used to be mandatory IMHO, as phone makers just didn't seem to be able to get the phone's to work properly out of the box... slow, clunky, missing things, instability, outdated software, etc...

Nowadays, I just don't see that. Typically it is the ROMs that are unstable, miss features, etc... I see thread after thread of this great new ROM! But the camera is flunky, doesn't have data, or the IR blaster doesn't work, etc...

I had an LG G2 and the ROMs didn't impress me much. Went to a GS5 and was even less impressed. None of the ones that I tried were measurably faster than stock, none were 100% functional, or if they were, they were just tweaked stock ROMs and so what's the point? Risk warranty issues or bricking it, or not able to get OTA's, for what? Just to be able to brag to my nerd friends that I had a transparent status bar because a regular one bothers me SOOOO SOOOO much? LOL

The Note 4, is amazing. Debloat it with ADB or with the app manager, install your favorite launcher and icon pack to get the look and feel that you want, and know that it will work 100%, it's fast, stable and no warranty issues, no being left out when Lollipop drops and you want it but it breaks root again so you have to stick with the old software, etc...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JediDru:
I'm with you guys. I come from a Nexus4 and still have a Nexus7. I miss root for Titanium backup and that's about it. Sure I'm going to once it drops but the note is a very capable device able to stand on its own.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
4 or 5 apps? You must be oblivious to the hundreds of services and dozens of apps that are running on your phone. Don't forget about hundreds of intents that must all be doing something in your favor.

Big Red just wants your phone to run smooth and they want your battery life to be even more fabulous.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GuestK00143:
You can disable any app on the phone with this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
You can disable most of the things in the app manager. There are only a few that you can't, but then you can do that with ADB. Either way, you can debloat the phone, without root, and without risk of messing up your warranty or the ability to get the Lollipop OTA in a few weeks.

Also, a lot of reviews have shown that disabling everything under the sun to free up RAM, can actually slow your phone down, not speed it up.

Getting the true crap disabled, is the biggest thing and anyone can do that without root today.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
It doesn't have to be the center of someone's Universe for them to enjoy changing it and making it their own, people do this will all types of things. Some would call it a "hobby" or an interest. Lots of people enjoy spending hours on Facebook or playing video games, others enjoy tinkering with their devices.

I went for a while with a retail Note 4 and ended up getting a DE. There are too many things that I missed, here are some of them:

Add WiFi HotSpot Toggle and Bypass Subscription Check

Add Flashlight Toggle

AdAway

Titanium Backup

Viper4Android

Root Explorer

Xposed Framework with the following modules:

-Youtube AdAway

-Play Store Link In App Info

-Wanam

-Swype Keyboard Tweaks

-Notify Clean (Clean notification area)

-No Map Tips (Disable Google Play Maps location accuracy tips)

-Google Play Music Listen Later (Change the default Google Play Music pane and tabs)

-Disable Clear Defaults Dialog

Chrome Pie (Add Pie control to Chrome)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] patt2k:
And whats even better you can block every single possible app with adb !:)

Until we get root its live able without it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
like I said, oblivious
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] zounduser:
The Note 4 is so sick the way it is! Do I wish we had root? Check. Do I wish we had unlocked bootloader? Check. Am I gonna give up on THE best phone out right now because I don't have those things? Hell NO! The phone is a beast! And I'll keep waiting, maybe for nothing....... but if it is for nothing, I'll live. Love the Note 4! And sticking with it no matter what.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] warriorpluto:
Phone sucks without root. Seems like you don't need your xda account anymore

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I can't use a phone without pie controls. Comes in handywhen laying in the bed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] usmaak:
I miss being able to use better battery stats to follow wakelocks. I haven't had any real issues with wakelocks so far, but it really is just a matter of time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] zounduser:
That's where u are dead wrong bro. U see I don't use just one phone, and like I said. ........I'm waiting like everyone else, I'm not gonna ditch the phone if it doesn't happen though! And y would u even make a comment on me not needing my xda account???? Lol. There's phones that I would not use without root, but the note 4 is not one of them.

To b completely honest, if I could just get my air view back without root, I wouldn't want it as bad. I'm upset they took that feature away. It makes no sense to me. Make it at least a option, let us decide. They took my favorite feature away. Not cool.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
You can enable Air View without root if you're using Nova Launcher. Long press on the home screen, select shortcuts, then activities, scroll down to settings, then find AirView (Settings$PenAirViewSettingsMenuActivity) and press on it. You'll note have a shortcut on your home screen to access the settings.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] zounduser:
I know bro. But as soon as the phone is put to sleep, it stops working.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] iMissLayups:
There are apps that allow you to use pie controls. You don't need root for that either.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
It works fine for me all the time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] naria01:
I need root access for my app radio 2... I had grown close to my S4, full touchscreen and screen mirror capability...

That's the only thing I'll be rooting for! No pun intended
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Hardly. I just realized that as manufacturers got better at implementing the OS on their phones, the law of diminishing returns kicked in on rooting and ROMs.

Unless you are that kid that just HAS to have some very specific app or function that you just CAN'T live without on your precious phone, it just isn't as big of a deal for most people as it was.

You can debloat most of the crap without root. That is a fact. Manually, or with a single ADB script.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] zounduser:
How? Please post detailed instructions on how u got it working all the time. Because with my phone, if I set it up, it works, but the touchscreen is like kind of unresponsive. I have to press the screen harder, especially when sweeping between home screens. But it works. Then if I put the screen to sleep and try air view it doesn't work. I'll Have to set it up again every time I put it to sleep.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] warriorpluto:
Which one? The ones i tried were ugly and unorganized. That was when i had an unrooted s5 earlier this year. Sat in the drawer until root was achieved.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] iMissLayups:
I haven't personally tried one, but the reviews on the free version of Pie Control in the play store say it works on their Galaxy Note 4. It was last updated on the 8th of December so it may be worth a shot.

I don't mean to argue though. I agree the rooted pie control options are obviously better. Plus, I miss the ability to completely disable the capacitive buttons and enable the onscreen ones. Just figured I'd let you know of a temporary workaround until root is achieved in case you didn't know about it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
I agree, the non-root replacements for on-screen buttons and pie controls really pale in comparison to the originals.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Have to admit. My dumbass when first seeing this thread and all the pages thought that root was actually achieved for the Note 4 Retal. :mad:

With that said, I desire root for Xposed options to further customize. True adblocking and app removal capabilities. Battery saving abilities seemingly only available with root access and certain modifications. ... my personal list could go on and on.

Yea, it's not a bad phone at all "as is" w/o root, however, my feeling all along and also this being my first smartphone ever owned with no root has lead to a bit of a disappointment.

And yes, I have offered my reward/donation promise to the bounty thread and I strongly encourage ALL who desire root to do the same! :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobbarker2:
What are the pie control solutions for rooted phones? I had trouble finding any that weren't just as crappy/inconsistent as non-root apps.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
It is seriously impossible to debloat "most of" the phone without root. That claim is utter nonsense. If you need me to back up that statement, then you have some learning to do.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] herrdrjonz:
With so much RAM bloat wasn't my key concern. It was the ads. Everywhere. All over the place. It made my Note 4 feel like a toy. I returned it for the DE and feel all calm and cozy again with no ads. For me it was the biggest reason for root. Bar none.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
I've had a rooted phone for so long that when I had my retail Note 4 I could not believe the amount of ads everywhere, it is one of my biggest reasons for getting a DE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=57476453
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
It would appear that you you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

That's OK, stick around awhile and learn some stuff, you will catch up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
Good call, I didn't know about this script.

Alright, so that script is pretty good. But that only scratches the surface in terms of a true debloat. There are A LOT of things that you cannot do without root. Period.

By the common definition of debloat, I suppose I was proven wrong. For the casual user, that script should take care of most of the debloat.

For some users, that script is the tip of the iceberg in terms of debloat. I won't even mention the other uses of root, which is simply massive.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
I am not so obsessive that I demand that every tiny little app or service that isn't 100% needed be eradicated. It's a phone. Once you get rid of the major stuff, it's not that important. It doesn't slow the phone down, it doesn't get in the way, you wouldn't even know it is there unless you look at the running processes and search for them.

If you are that concerned with bloat, get a dammed nexus and call it a day.

I know what else root is for, having rooted 8 or 9 previous phones...

I am glad to finally have a phone that is so good, that it really doesn't need it. If it gets it, great, but I am not losing sleep over it or returning it if it doesn't...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] furfmonkey:
i honestly dont see the point in rooting my note 4 i disabled and or removed most of the offending apps etc tailored my windows and animations etc for max battery and im quite happy with performance .. no stutters or lag to be found... i think as time goes by android gets better and more stable and the roms get worse .. i will not be rooting.. i have my note running perfect atm .. no need to fix something that isnt broken. i see people nitpicking about things that would bother maybe the most anally retentive of person thats about it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Why is it that people who want to change the small details of their phone have to be referred to as anally retentive, obsessive, or have their phone at the center of their universe? This is xda-developers, right? We have accounts here because at one point or another we wanted to modify/tweak our phones. Why can't we just see it as a hobby that some enjoy while others don't? Personally, I still enjoy it but I also think the note 4 is the best phone on the market for my needs, and that takes priority.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
It's the difference between someone just eating right and staying in shape, and being an anorexic.

When you go from the normal healthy approach, to the obsessive approach on things that don't make a difference... It's almost like OCD for some people...

It is in how most define bloat... We see stuff like NFL mobile, tons of Verizon paid services, Amazon and slacker and other apps that they put on there and want you to use and pay for... That's bloat to most people. We don't need it, want it, or want to have to see it, so we disable it and clear it out and the stock unrooted phone lets you do that in 3 minutes. Less with the script. I disabled 40+ apps easily by hand before I got out of the VZW parking lot.

Then there is the fanatic, who obsesses about a 25kb process running in the background on a phone with 3GB of RAM, that uses 0 CPU resources, and it just bothers him to no end that it is there and he doesn't want it there even though he likely doesn't know what it does and it doesn't impact the phone anyway and he just wants it gone because this is his phone and it absolutely must be exactly 100% the way he wants it or he throws a fit and threatens to return the phone...

There's a difference. It's obvious.

If you truly want NO BLOAT, then again I say, go get a damned Nexus and stop whining about root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] warriorpluto:
Google lmt pie controls. There is a dedicated thread on xda for the app. Clean and small in size. Best one your can use
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
LMT requires root, he's looking for something that doesn't need root access.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hyro864:
To those that say they can live without root, are you still on unlimited data, and if so, how do you tether for free?

Just curious.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
FoxFi works for unrooted phones.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
No, he was wondering what the decent pie options were for rooted phones. He stated that all the pie options for rooted phones were just as bad as the the non-root options. I was going to respond lmt as well since he originally quoted my post.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] satseaker:
Everyone seems to be skipping one big thing,how about full access to the external sd card? That would be really nice.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
Lollipop should correct that regardless of root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cjparker:
I'm not rooted...

I rooted my Kindle Fire. :)

I rooted my tablet.

Rooted my previous phone.

I'm not sure I got enough benefit out of it to justify doing it again. I'm not criticizing anyone if they root their device. It's a matter of preference. I hear a lot of whining about TouchWiz. I don't think it's that bad. I *DO* object to being pestered to activate this app or that app and it's only going to cost me $2.99 a month and..... leave me the **** alone! If I WANT something I'll get it. THOSE apps I would like to be rid of, but for now they're easy enough to ignore. Someone included NFL Mobile in their list of junk to get rid of. I actually USE it (it's free on my account).

And what's this about tethering? Maybe I'm just not understanding "tethering" , but I thought it was just another term for making your phone a hotspot.

No?

If yes, I can make my phone a hotspot and it doesn't cost me anything. Makes me wonder if it's just due to my plan or what. I have a share everything plan with me, my wife, and one son on it. I have 6GB per month to use and even though my son uses WAAAaaaay more data than me and the wife, we've not busted the 6GB yet. I am set up to warn everyone on the account when we hit certain percentages.

So... back to "rooting as a whole".... I'm not sure I care at this point. Again... personal preference and as far as I'm concerned everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preference in this regard. but for me..... I'm not convinced I need to root this phone.... yet. I'm also aware that my opinion may change in the future as things evolve.

Just.... for now..... meh... *shrug*
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Full access to the MicroSD?

What access don't we have?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobloblaw1:
This article does a decent job of explaining some of the SD limitations on 4.4 and this article explains how 5.0+ corrects them.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...s-automatic-mediastore-and-improves-security/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Third party apps cannot write to the SD by default.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
They don't have a Nexus device with a pen and I can't add one to it, but I can debloat the Note.

It's more like having a gym membership and going once in a while versus going daily and getting the most out of your purchase.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GaryAlpusa1:
+1. I am returning my 4 and going back to my note 2. Why have this large screen when just about every app has adds taking up space. Some start with a full page ad? I paid $150 to be inundated with advertising. Not.....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dcdgoth:
i don't know it's just me but i don't have a complain. last a couple of years, i replaced 2 micro sd cards because of virus caused by third party apps.