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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] BACARDILIMON:
They lied to you. You can't choose jump 1 is only for people grandfathered in. Jump 2 just sucks once you had jump 1

BAD ASS NOTE 4
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] winlinmac001:
I agree. Seems like T-Mobile being a true carrier once again (or were they always; like they give a sh!t).

So, if I was a T-Mobile customer a year ago, and chose Jump 1 then, it would have been worth it.

Once you upgrade with Jump 1, customers are required to continue with Jump 2 or simply remove Jump from their account.

T-Mobile is slowly giving us chills. Lets see what they reveal to us next year; will they stick to their plans for the better? #CoverageMyA$$

I'm really looking forward to a bright future for T-Mobile. Better not be one of those companies that fall bankrupt after a major flop. Do they even have the integrity? Can they sustain their building reputation? Who knows...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] cwwjr1681:
This is not true. If this happened to you then some sneaky rep in the store must have switched you. I just upgraded this week. I am still on jump 1. I even called them before I left the store to verify. The ONLY way you lose Jump 1 is by 1) Switching to Jump #2 or 2) Leaving T-Mobile then coming back. Thats it. Also when I log into tmobile it says I can jump NOW. That would not be possible on jump 2
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] winlinmac001:
Well, I never said T-Mobile was a good company anyway. Most of their store clerks are unprofessional, arrogant, and ignorant anyway. The other day, a female customer lost all her text messages on the phone as it was erased by the store rep without authorization by her; no backup to be found. T-Mobile should wake up; their Uncarrier move isn't all that great as I once thought. I don't mind the changes between Jump 1 and Jump 2, as I do understand in the corporate world, it all about profits and gain; T-Mobile would have suffered major loss had they adhered to the Jump 1 stands for long.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] cwwjr1681:
My phone is my internet. I tether it. To do so and not have an outrageous bill you need two things.

1) Rooted phone

2) Unlimited data

So until another company offers unlimited data? They are the best around imo. They are also the only company I can go from the US to London on and still use my phone. Changing nothing. They are actually one of the best carriers. But if you want to keep paying over 100$ a month stay with one of the other guys... I pay 92 a month INCLUDING my note 4 payment. Unlimited everything including data. Due to T-mobiles high speeds my phone is my home internet.

PS> I have seen more retards at Verizon stores than anywhere. Maybe its just the stores where you live have a crappy regional manager? Ever think of that?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] winlinmac001:
Well, I'm sure I must have went to a well reputable Verizon store then. T-Mobile's phone reps never seem to be updated or clear regarding their own policies, nor do they even understand their latest uncarrier moves. Ask them a question (even if you already know the answer) and you'll get a distorted answer from them. I've been to some T-Mobile stores where the reps were courteous, professional, and knew what they were selling, but the odds for encountering a carrier store like that are low for the most part. Its the tele-representatives I'm referring to. I only switched to T-Mobile due to the value of service I'd be getting, nothing to do with coverage.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] spirodave:
You may be able to Jump to a new phone after a year or after the device is half way paid off but you have to trade it in . If you do the math you are losing money 2 ways. A year from now you can sell your phone outright for more than $400 easily . That being said 1 year from now you will have half your device paid off if you are doing the 2 year finance . So that means Tmobile is giving $330 Tops for your phone when you Jump. You can just sell your phone for anything more than $330 ( which is very easy) and put it towards a new device . When I was gonna Jump from my S5 to the note 4 they were only giving me $320 cause that is what I owed on it. I sold it for $425 and paid off the S5 and put the extra $105 towards my Note 4 . Unless you are on the old Jump then it is not worth it cause they pay you less than market value for an easy to sell phone.

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In order to Jump you have to have half your device paid off . If you just bought a Note 4 now then in a year from now you will only owe $330 or so . So Tmobile is gonna give you $330 for a phone you could easily sell a year from now for over $400 . Keep your insurance , dump jump and put the $24 you save in a year for not having it plus the $400+ you can sell your Note 4 for and pay off your device when you want to Jump and put the extra $100 or so you have left towards your new phone. Put it this way even if you only get $350 for your Note 4 ( which would be on the very low end) you would still be coming out ahead. Why trade in an easy to sell device when you can sell it yourself ?No doubt about it that you are getting screwed by TMO when you pay for Jump . If you are on the Old Jump please disregard this message. the old Jump is worth it. Tmobile may still ask you to put a deposit on your new phone when you decide to jump . All jump does is pay off the remaing balance on your phone. Tmobile will still run a credit check when you get a new device.Just do the math and you will see why Jump is a Scam . Numbers don't lie put Big Business does. Anything they can to squeeze a few more dollars out of you a month.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] winlinmac001:
I think its just a matter of convenience and peace of mind now with Jump 2. The fact that you don't need to worry about paying shipping and insurance and seller fees, etc when selling the phone to the second owner.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] cubandevil:
Hey you can use PlayStation Now on your Note 4 I am doing it , search for it here and you dont even need root now.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] nano303:
I got jump lol didn't realize I get lookout premium and insurance. Cool!

ROLL THAT SHT, LIGHT THAT SHT. SMOKKKKE THAT SHT
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
I've been a phone junkie for many years. Jump is so quick and easy since you can just walk into a store and do it. I hate dealing with the crazies on Craigslist and or selling my phone on the web then mailing it out wondering how much insurance I should get. lol I have the original Jump and the wife has the 2nd Jump. I actually used her Jump to get my Note 4 and I gave her my G3. lol In my case leasing is the best way to go plus you get insurance with it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
I agree! Especially for a person that upgrade every 6-10 months. The Next Big Thing is Here! :good:

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It's worth it any way you look at it. The $175 deductible for the Note 4 is worst case scenario.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Araltd:
I didn't know there was 2 versions of jump. My wife had jump for over a year, when she got the iPhone 5s 64gb then jumped to the iPhone 6 plus, we owed about $450 on her iphone 5s, and I tried to sell it for $500 but couldn't so I ended up sending the phone back for the $450 credit. I could have sold it for $400.

The rest of my family upgraded, my son's got iPhone 6's and I got the note 4. However I did cancel jump on all the lines since it didn't make sense to me to pay $10/mo ($120/yr) to gain $50 in trade in value.

My logic is if you keep your phone for a year, which we do, by the time your ready to trade your old phone should be worth close to what you owe on it, and if not exactly what you owe probably closer than the +$120/yr in jump fees. Like my wife's iPhone 5s, it was worth $400, they gave me $450 what was owed, but it cost me $120 to get that extra $50. Doesn't make sense IMHO.

Yes the insurance part is great, but unless you loose it, a $175 deductible is pretty steep, and would probably cover most repairs anyway without jump (the $175 I mean)

I didn't know you had to wait 6 months to upgrade? And I for sure never heard about having to pay 50% of the phone off before jumping.

Assuming that's all true, to me, jump doesn't make sense. Especially for me with 4 lines/phones.

I think unlimited data is the better value. Which was an extra $20 for ($30 total).
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
These days, technology is constantly renewing. I'd rather lease a phone than buy one. Hopefully, my I idea of leasing every six months lasts long. :D Galaxy S6, here I come :victory:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] spirodave:
I hear ya on that but Im not into just giving my money away . The insurance I can understand but the Jump makes no sense . These phones sell almost instantly on Craigslist and every person is more than happy to meet you at the Tmobile store , actually most prefer it. Its not really hard to have someone meet you at Tmobile during the same time you are upgrading to a new device . I would rather make a $100 more just by placing an ad on craigslist a day or so before you plan on going to get a new phone and have them meet you there . Its not anymore inconvienent than having to go to Tmobile in itself plus there is no seller's fee's .
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
Not trying to call people idiots, but people are idiots who have jump 2 and say its worth to them.

Jump 2 is clearly not worth it, if you break down what you actually pay to have the convenience to basically just get ripped off and hand over your device at at a 50 percent discount whether it be 6 months or 1 year into payments.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
It think it just depends how you look at it. I normally don't stick to the big-name carriers, and prefer the MNVO's. Thanks to T-Mobile's Un-Carrier moves, I'll be trying Jump 2 just once and see where Jump 3 leads. For me, the insurance part is worth it. I know the insurance fees are scams these days, but even Samsung is least bothered to replace your phone if anything god forbid happens. Samsung has a $129 Protection plan and also extends the warranty of your device, but most of us upgrade our phones every 6-12 months, so I don't see the use of the extended warranty.

The usual trade in value for a high value phone is usually up to 50% anyway. The Jump Program still has a purpose, I'm sure I won't be in this program for long. ;)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] JayArthur27:
I have the original Jump which allows me to move on to a new phone whenever I want. For example, I Jumped to the Note 4 the first week it came out, then Jumped to the Edge about a month later
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
I do still wish I was on the first Jump Program. Would have been awesome. I think T-Mobile was as mindful as it is now. I'm sure the first Jump program wasn't as intended by T-Mobile, but that still would have been the best add-on from any mobile carrier.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] bringit2damat:
Jump 1 definitely worth it. I used to just buy my phones off of craigslist and since I would find good deals by the time I sold it I made money most of the time. But the times have changed. Since phones depreciate so fast now that's no longer possible. But you have to jump every 6 months to get the most of it. At the 6 month mark you've most likely paid less than the phone has depreciated
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
When you say every 6 months, do you mean in respect to the current Jump 2 program? That's where I'm inclining as well. The Galaxy S6 is soon to be unveiled, lol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
What's kind of funny is when I have a Jump to use sometimes I feel that I need to use it even though I'm happy with the current phone I have. I like to switch manufactures when get a new phone so it's something different. I think I have a Jump now or next month but just go my Note 4 a few months and still like it. I used my wife's Jump for that and gave her my G3. lol Life as a phone junkie...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
when you gonna root that thing and get on the rom bandwagon, my man?

I dont see any phones better than the note 4 coming out soon, so not anticipating using a jump any time soon..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
wase4711 has a point! :cowboy:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] pcriz:
I noticed something weird when I went to trade in my HTC One, the guy told me I was eligible to jump to the Note 4. I found this odd because I never keep insurance on my device and I also cancel jump when they try and add it with my new phone. I told the dude I didn't have Jump and to check my bill. No payments for jump ever but my account still shows jump eligible. Either way I just traded in my HTC One towards my Note 4. Still showing jump and not paying.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
It's been rooted. I might flash a Rom today but I've been saying that for the last month or two. lol Send me pm what Roms you like.

The LG Flex 2 is coming out soon. I know you didn't care that much for the first one. It's not as huge as the first Flex. I think bout the same size as the Note 4. I saw a picture of red one but as of now it's only with stupid Sprint. lol I also kind of wanted to try the Nexus 6 but I'll probably just keep my Note 4.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
yeah, the flex looks nice, but with no developement , and locked bootloaders on Sprint, not interested at all..

and, who needs a nexus 6 when there are now AOSP roms for the note 4!

check your pms bro..
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] obiaquino:
Well I can say that I have taken full advantage of the JUMP plan... In the last 2 years I've had the Nexus 5, HTC M7, LG G3 and now the Note 4... All of which I got with jump, never paying more than $60.00 for the phones.

Yes I have to returned the previous one when I change, but I think of it as a lease, it allows to always have the newest devices without having to go through the hassle of selling.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] dipole:
Lol, jump 1, went note 3, HTC m8, iPhone 6 and then note 4. Will probably look at HTC m9 or s6 when it comes out
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
Why did T-Mobile change the terms for Jump. I wish I was on Jump 1. lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
They quickly realize it's a losing proposition.

I was on Jump 1, unfortunately I cancelled it.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ahenderson223:
When did the first Jump program end?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
Kinda proves how there really is no such thing as uncarrier, lol.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
feb 23rd, 2014

I made it in 3 days before they changed it

thank you, "Un Carrier"

Jump 1 is fantastic for those of us that like to get the latest and greatest!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
Wife was having issues with her M7. After her 2nd M7 had a issue a rep was able to put the 2nd Jump on or account back dated a year when we started with T-Mobile. She was able to get a new phone well I did and gave her my old one. lol I know the rep at the T-Mobile store and he worked his magic.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
Only good if you had an older account before Jump 1 existed, otherwise for new customers like me, probably a no go.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
Ha? Not sure what that has to do with me. In my case I just got lucky as far as getting Jump 2 back dated to when we started with Tmobile over a year ago.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kendonsh:
So I am keeping my jump. Had it since the promo started and I just called and confirmed I have jump 1. But my note 4 :(
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Howie Dub:
IMO, Jump! is just a money grab. Basically you're paying $10/month to not have to deal with selling your phone. Let's say you have a Note 3 and wanted to get the Note 4. Currently, Note 3s in good condition sell for about $300 on Swappa. Note 4s sell for about $700 brand new on Swappa and there's no sales tax. That's about $116 savings for me after tax (9% tax here in LA). If you net $275 from your sale (after Swappa fee and shipping), effective purchase price is $425. If you need to have the latest and greatest every six months, your effective price might even be less because your phone's sale price should be higher. The only phone I've noticed that sells for higher than retail has been the Nexus 6.

As for the insurance aspect, typically it's the screen that needs to be repaired or replaced. If you break it once a year, it will cost you $295 to get your phone replaced with a refurb ($120/year for Jump! and $175 deductible). A screen replacement shouldn't cost you more than $150 after a phone has been on the market for a year. If you want insurance, a less expensive alternative is SquareTrade. They're $99 for 2 years with a $75 deductible. I've never used them, but they seem to have good reviews online. Only restrictions appear to be that you must have purchased the phone within 30 days or have insurance with your carrier.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
Jump 1 is worth it. Tmobile got rid of it because it was to good of a deal. When I want a new phone I walk into a Tmobile store and come out with a new phone. Selling phones can be time consumimg and a hassle.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
THIS!!

Jump 1 is fantastic, no matter what anyone says...Jump 2 is a different story
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
We're going in circles I think that was already established a page ago.

Think [MENTION=298740]howie[/MENTION]_Dub was referring to Jump 2
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] SC23:
I'm also enrolled in their Jump and once my phone qualifies to be traded in would they take my phone back even if it has been rooted?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sweets55:
T-Mobile doesn't usually care. I don't think it's hard to unroot and put back to stock though.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kendonsh:
They do a 3 point check. The phone powers on, the screen is not cracked, no water damage.

Your phone can have a custom ROM when you trade it in if you want. I've actually bought a nexus 4 on jump sold it because I got more for it, later bought one with a cracked back for way cheaper and traded it in.

I wanna jump but I feel my note 4 is sick and that there are no phones worth jumping to right now. So having two jumps a year sucks when you have a phone that you like a lot.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] SC23:
So I guess I'm pretty much covered on the 3 point check lol.

Kendonsh, I hear you man Haha. I had my N2 for more than 2 years before I finally let her go. And I also feel that my new N4 is such a beast I might just wanna keep her for a couple of years also. So I guess I don't really need to jump within this year at least, but it's good to know I can bring my phone back with a custom rom installed if I do decide to Jump. I better make that cancel before my free first month is over.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Howie Dub:
Yes, referring to Jump 2, which I just cancelled. Jump 1 is definitely better than Jump 2, but only if you religiously upgrade every 6 months. Upgrading closer to a year makes it no better than Jump 2.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
What about if the phone is defective? Do they still charge a $175 deductible or replace the phone as per the Samsung Warranty procedure? A lot of owners seem to only use the Jump 2 for insurance purposes now, aka PHP.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ccheww:
I work for T Mobile so my opinion may be biased but JUMP! is a pretty great feature to have.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
Elaborate on this please explain to me how is Jump 2 beneficial to anyone who has it? And please I don't want to hear about insurance because that seems to be the only selling point.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] ccheww:
Insurance is 8 bucks, but that's irrelevant. The JUMP! plan is beneficial to most people who have it because they wouldn't have they phones they are using right now without using jump. The financing and early upgrade is the best part. For 2 dollars more a month you have the ability to upgrade whenever you want without ever paying more than 50% of the phone's value. Its more beneficial to lease a phone than it is to lease a car. Why? We use our phones every day, and almost all day. The average person is moving around or running errands involving getting in and out of cars, to and from buildings, and things happen. The fact that the cell phone might be one of the most used devices an average person owns - its just increased risk and probability of breaking it. Aside from all this - new phones are coming out almost every 6 months now... its pretty beneficial to have the ability to get those phones when they come out - and at a reasonable price. I mean honestly - $750 for a phone, thats great and all - but 375 is just a little more beneficial.

Dont get me wrong tho, I personally just payed full price for a galaxy note 4 and didnt get JUMP! because its pointless if your planning to own the phone forever. (which most people dont do anymore... who would?)

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EDIT** - I think actually you can finance the phones without JUMP! I'm still learning - started work 4 days ago haha.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
Like it's been pointed out several times on this thread... Anyone could sell or trade in their phones for half its value within 6-12 months without having to pay monthly fees.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] d3athb4dishonor:
It's only 2 bucks, why would you get rid of it? LOL. They just bundle it with your insurance so it says 10 bucks for both.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
I use SquareTrade and I pay $4.15 a month with only a $75 deductible. So even paying $8 with a ridiculous deductible of $175 seemed too high for me at the time when I had Jump 1.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] kendonsh:
No. That's saying the defective phone in question hasn't been damaged, meaning if there is any type of crack on that screen they will charge you. You just get a $5 charge for the next day shipping, which sometimes if you ask nicely can be waived.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] Araltd:
I personally feel that high end phones are probably going to be worth close to what you owe on the phone in about a year, which is probably the most likely upgrade time frame, IMHO ymmv.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] SC23:
I was about to cancel my Jump last week until they told me exactly that hahaha. So I'm paying for insurance at the same time and it counts towards my Jump also. Not bad at all.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] sikewrdpryznr:
I for one really like the jump feature. I've been with t-mobile for right at a year have had 3 different phones within that year. I don't want to have to try to deal with selling the phone every 6 months so I just trade them in.

But just a heads up, I jumped to the note 4 the other day, and shortly after leaving the store I got an automated text from tmo saying jump had been removed and 10 minutes late another saying it had been added. Didn't think anything of it at first, though it was a system thing but after checking online my jump had changed from version 1 to version 2. Luckily I was able to call in and get them to change it back, but I fear if I had waited longer the story would be different.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 General] shook187:
I personally think eventually t mobile will force everyone to Jump 2..... I'm not sure when but I think eventually.... All good things come to an end and in the cellular world they have no issues taking away what you think your grandfathered in