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[Android General] e.mote:
Happy Holidays, everyone.

A thread about Console OS already existed in the Windows 8 General forum, while its KS was still ongoing. In that thread, I've detailed a fair bit of the shenanigans I dug up for its principal, Chris Price. He promised the moon, and as would be expected, there were more than a few gullible folks who took the bait.

All the evidence pointed to a scam. From his resume, CV, personal blog, and history of his previous vaporware project (iConsole.tv), Price has no developer or tech background. He said he has a "team" which he has never shown or mentioned the names of. He touted a great variety of "features" that don't exist. The only question I had was how the con was going down, whether it was a straight-up "take the money and run" scam, or did Price actually have a legit project in development.

The answer was apparently something in between. Price was a regular on the Android-IA forum, and my best guess is that Console OS DR1 is a repackaged Android IA release, gauging from their similar rough edges. Legally, then, he is in the clear. The Console OS project is not technically a scam, as he did produce a product for the project, even if it turned out to be a repackaging of another existing product. Strictly speaking, what Price did isn't illegal. Console OS will be just another failed KS venture, one of many.

But it doesn't minimize the fact that the Console OS project was built on a mountain of lies. Most every piece of info shown on the KS page, and the "consoleos.com" page, is a lie. There will never be a final "industry grade" release, not unless Android-IA itself suddenly got better in a hurry. $78K is a nice chunk of take-home, although I'm curious if it is worth it to have your name forever associated with a public swindle. I think Price will eventually pay the piper somewhere down the line, and that $78K will be poor compensation.

I've no sympathy for the exploited. All the pieces were there to be gleaned, and they didn't bother to fact-check. As said in that thread, I think it's a good life experience, and a cheap lesson about scams (except for the peeps who paid $1K).

BTW, Price did succeed in teaching me something. After his complaining got my comments wiped from said thread, thanks to some knee-jerk moderation, I've come to realize that there are better places to be, and have ceased my regular participation here. Thanks, Price, for that nugget.
[Android General] fgdn17:
well commented by a well respected member.....but I'm sure he'll try and get it removed as people like that cannot

stand the truth....
[Android General] sec6:
E.mote,

I applaud your above analysis. I agree that is a small amount to pay to learn an important lesson. That being said, 78 grand is a pretty handsome reward for bad behavior.
[Android General] e.mote:
>78 grand is a pretty handsome reward for bad behavior.

Christopher Price is only one of many opportunistic scammers who exploit the faults of the system. The "system" here is the crowdfunding process, within which there is no accountability. It is ripe for swindlers and hucksters to exploit, and there will always be some percentage of the public that are gullible enough to fall for their pitch. The main fault I see is with the KS organization and its ilk. They provide the forum for the pitches, they take a cut of the proceeds, yet they wash their hands of all culpability. That doesn't pass the smell test.

Eventually, some scammed backer will get wise and file class-action against a crowdfunding org, be it KS or whoever. The result will be that KS will need to grow up and provide fraud protection for users of its platform. This is the norm for every new platform that strives to reach mainstream. We see it with AirBnB, with Uber, with eBay, and KS and its like will inevitably have to follow.

Until then, people like Price will continue to ply the unwary with their pitches. Caveat emptor at its best.
[Android General] sec6:
The not-for- profit, NGO sector is also not immune to the unethical. So much of USAID money went to foreign NGOs who learned how to game the system. I saw this corruption firsthand while with the Peace Corps in Romania. They had at least to keep receipts, have budgets and go through periodic audits. Even so they were able to manufacture in some cases a phony paper trail with the help of being connected with local officials. Now you take KS with zero accountability requirements from anyone and you have a nightmare waiting to happen. KS and the NGOs really took off here after the recession. I don't think this is mere coincidence. Even the Red Cross has recently been accused of creative accounting. Wonderful world we live in.
[Android General] sec6:
Looked up the legal definition of fraud and it seems to tick all the boxes, though intent leaves some wiggle room.
[Android General] fgdn17:
PRICE TO BE BAND FROM andrroid-x86.org because of BS post....?????

from the creator of android-x86.org on prices repeated post in the group......

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-x86/tpzV63XZZCo

Mr. Price, you really made me be mad.

I think your bakers are also getting mad since

you can't even deliver a workable installer to them yet.

If you really have something to contribute,

submit to AOSP directly.

(though I don't believe you or your "virtual team" have the ability)

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Android-x86 project

http://www.android-x86.org
[Android General] Miker1029:
Lol beat me to it!

Looks like his office in the backyard. ..

Hey Chris, since you got nothing to do. Might wanna put some water on the lawn...
[Android General] Miker1029:
Ya That was messed up!

I had to go back In Google Cache to Retrieve and Save those Pages!! :laugh:

Anyway good to see you back, Your posts are ALWAYS extremely Informative. :cowboy:
[Android General] death_entry:
Speaking of Intel Android seen these dual OS little beauties yet?

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/meegopad-t01-bay-trail-windows-mini-pc-now-available-100.html

Shame they aren't Android lollipop yet though
[Android General] e.mote:
[MENTION=3299340]fgdn17[/MENTION] - Ironic that Price is harping about the propriety of licensing, when Console OS is in all likelihood lifted straight from Android-IA (or x86) without any attribution.

Anyway, I was sitting and wondering why Price is still hanging around with this schtick, when it's already at the end of the line. There's no way to continue, because that would mean actually providing working drivers for all those systems, drivers that aren't in the open-source projects. Then it dawned on me why: Price used his real name.

And not just his real name, but every scrap of his online life is readily searchable. I found his home address in about 10 minutes through Googling, along with his resume, his work history, and his online associations. Anyone could do the same, without even paying for the more in-depth people look-up services.

What's worse is that from the 411 link, his last known address is also his parents' address, ie he's living with them. So now his parents (in their 60s) are also caught in the dragnet.

Now, think about the potential for payback when you've swindled almost 6000 people out of their money, with your name known, and your (parents') address easily found. Even if we discount the notion of physical harm, there's all sorts of ways to make somebody's life miserable when you have their personal details. It's just pure stupidity to put his own parents in harm's way for a get-rich-quick scam.

The vast majority of Price's backers paid the $10 slot, and most of them will likely write it off as a loss w/o doing anything. But there are a few hundred people who paid more, including some $500 and $1000 backers. And for vindictive types, it doesn't matter the amount; they will go after you. 6,000 is a lot of people to piss off.

So, what Price is apparently doing is to try to pass Console OS off as a failed KS project rather than be tagged as a scam, to minimize the possibility of retribution. To do that, he would have to at least deliver the first milestone (DR1), which he did. Next, he would have to arrange for a seemingly legit exit. I'm guessing this will happen soon, as the natives are starting to get wise, and you don't want the mob to build up a head of steam.

Looking forward to reading Price's so-so-sorry letter, and whether the kiddies buy it.
[Android General] banstalker:
Hi there.

Search google for AMIDuos it is only Android that worked for my tablet Miix 8 with Windows 8.1.

Now i am happy. No need to wait for Console OS until 2016. :eek:

I am pretty happy that i wasn't so quick to become a backer of this endless project.:cool:
[Android General] death_entry:
I just tried out http://amiduos.com/ and it works amazingly well, its deff worth the $10! I ran aututu and I got 100k score! Thats without disabling hypverV which apparently lowers it...

Also I just realised that this is made by American Megratrends who have been making all our bios' for years, so deff not a fly by company :D
[Android General] Miker1029:
You Know, I Thought of that, You stated Awhile Ago He Was Living There (thier), And It bothered me when I could Google Earth On em....., And I'll be honest I think those 1 and 5 Grand Contributes Where Him or His Friends...... Just to make it look good, Thought That From The Start....

I will say NO ONE has A Right To mess With This Persons Parents, They Are not the Ones, But Chris Still needs to water and cut the lawn....

---------- Post added at 04:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:55 PM ----------

COOL How Can I Drop $20 Grand On That, I WANT IT 8-)
[Android General] fgdn17:
for consoleOS backers, latest release of kitkat version 2 with efi support from android-x86......

http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-r2

may want to give it a try................
[Android General] death_entry:
droool, wonder how the hell I install it on my tablet, trying now :D

Wish they would just cut to Lollipop, would make much more sense with the native x86 support lol...
[Android General] fgdn17:
spend some time reading...

the release notes tell you how to install it...of course if you need to be spoon fed then you probably

shouldn't be doing it at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also reading on the site will show you there available in test builds for Lollipop

as per their forums.....but again you need to spend some time reading...
[Android General] death_entry:
Ahhh yes how helpful you are... reading... I hadn't thought to do that!

Since you are so interested in my progress this is how far I've got;

Got my USB boot stick ready;

Tried booting it, ooo got an error because secure boot is enabled.

Tried to access my UEFI bios, to disable secure boot..

Can't do that because my tablet doesn't have troubleshooting as a menu option..

Soooo fancy lending a hand on how to make this menu item appear? :p
[Android General] fgdn17:
best option would be the user manual for your device...

or try: http://itsfoss.com/disable-uefi-secure-boot-in-windows-8/
[Android General] death_entry:
Again, I don't have the "Troubleshoot" menu on my tablet despite it's user manual even mentioning it.

Anyway I managed in the end to get round this rather cleverly by switching off the tablet while windows was booting which then gave me the opportunity to get into the UEFI bios :D

I ran the live image and there is no wifi support for Atom bay trail it seems :(

So as that's a non-starter although the Android seemed very fast, I'm trying to Official Intel version..

However my next prob is trying to get the disk image to boot that i create using diskwriter, oddly the other one was bootable but the intel sourced image apparently not?? ;(
[Android General] fgdn17:
what is your tablet?????????????
[Android General] Christopher Price:
Hi folks, Christopher here. As the founder behind Console OS, I do want to take a moment and thank you all for posting.

Please note that we are not monitoring other sites actively, but we are reading all your feedback on Kickstarter. We read each and every submission using our Feedback Tool (available on the Console OS support wiki), as well as on the Kickstater pages.

We realize some people here have had some expectations gaps, and that is largely because the release notes were only sent to backers. Developer Release 1 is by no means the extent of the hardware that we expect to support. It is, as it indicates, our first developer release.

We have mentioned to backers that we already have begun switching to Lollipop and already have begun supporting more Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chipsets internally. While Lollipop was an unexpected pain point (the extent of Lollipop's features were not announced until after our debut on Kickstarter) we are close to supporting many more devices on Lollipop.

I also want to clarify that Console OS is not merely a recompilation of Android-IA at 01.org. We do share the same kernel, but are tunining that kernel for each device. We have licensed additional code and technologies from several companies, including Intel. Many of those features are being added to Lollipop, but already you will notice that Console OS plays videos, runs ARM apps, and does stuff that the open source stacks cannot.

We are looking forward to expanding access to DR1, as well as rolling out better forum-based support options over the next 60 days. We thank everyone for hanging in there, and we're happy to keep pushing the limits of Android. After we get back from CES, we expect to open the doors wider... and with better support for public consumption.

Many people said we would never get away with shipping a build - let alone license all these technologies necessary. But we have and we are continuing to engineer Console OS with your feedback. Hang in there if you don't have access yet (again - that's largely because this is a developer release), and you can sign up at ConsoleOS.com to get on the wait list.
[Android General] fgdn17:
really simple....

without excuses and BS......provide a build that members of xda and others can try for themselves.......

then you'll get some real constructive feedback.....and instead of the "switching to Lollipop" BS cause

voters wanted it....why not get what you "been working on for 18 months" you claimed in June when announcing

on Kickstarter fixed and usable by those backers that paid for it????

The jig is up....!!
[Android General] sec6:
"Expectations gaps". This guy is priceless!
[Android General] Christopher Price:
Unfortunately, there is a clear pattern of 3-4 posters have had a serious, and frankly irrational hatred for Console OS since its inception. Most of these 3-4 people are common across several web sites.

We cannot share complete-stack source code due to the licenses we have obtained. After we have some traction in the marketplace, it may be possible to open source that code - or provide a build path that includes binary blobs. It's costly to maintain that kind of dual-build path and we would need more resources. This is not an excuse, it's simply the reality.

To others, keep in mind that these 3-4 hateful posters for the most part have said we were frauds that would not ship a single release. We're gearing up to ship our second generation of Android, now on Lollipop.. I realize this is not the typical behavior of XDA forum members - who welcome innovation and trying to push the envelope.

We do expect to have our own support forums open at CES, and we encourage you to use our support wiki (as well as its feedback tool, where you can submit feedback per-device) to help us make Console OS more stable. It really does help and we will be expanding access beyond our Kickstarter backers very soon - while providing Kickstarter backers first access to Lollipop and Pro features.
[Android General] sec6:
Christopher,

I am an android enthusiast. The only reason that I ever commented anywhere about your "project" is because of its suspicious nature. You misrepresented to backers what you would provide them. You took in a lot of money as a result. I frankly just can't stand it when people get taken for a ride. You should be ashamed. I am simply just a concerned citizen. Are you even half aware of how you come off? You sure play fast and loose with the truth.
[Android General] fgdn17:
"serious, and frankly irrational hatred for Console OS since its inception"

on the other hand, maybe they just cannot stand people who are as phony as you are and how

they come across when they are always telling others stuff that is totally just BS....

look in the mirror....get a clue
[Android General] Christopher Price:
We never promised to deliver every feature in our first release. We alerted users during the campaign that Lollipop would change our feature set and release timetables. And, we have provided backers with our updated roadmap.

I will not respond to the rest of your post as it is off-topic and inflammatory. There's nothing I can say that will assuage you, other than to say we're going to keep making Console OS awesome. We have not taken a single dime since the Kickstarter from customers, and we are proudly continuing to use those funds to develop and ship Console OS.
[Android General] fgdn17:
obviously your not talking about these backers....

Mat 4 days ago

Ok. I see that you can get into a slanging match over on android-x86, over the past week, yet you cannot address any questions from your paid backers. You've stated many things in the past, and failed to deliver on most of them, constant delays, excuses and lack of response seem to be the norm.

There seems to be many questions raised as to the legitimacy of this project, with words such as SCAM and FRAUD been thrown around. I'm inclined to side with them.

Personally I see no difference in ConsoleOS to IA-Android, after months of "development" we are given a product that the majority can't install, that is not fully functional, heck most users cannot even get sound out of their machines if they can even get it to boot.

I think it's time to lay your cards on table and come clean about this whole project. There has been no real update (other than releasing it to everyone and the promise of early Android 5 to backers) Nothing to resolve any issues on the current build, no outline of what comes after DR1 and when.

For a "team" working on this I find it hard to believe that PR from you guys in non-existant, which causes those 2 words before to enter my mind.

For me I couldn't care less about my $10, if it is a scam, for a paltry sum of $78,000 then good luck with your future startups. I'm just glad that I wasn't foolish enough to back this in the higher tiers.

Jeff 4 days ago

I have to agree with Mat here. I haven't read of anyone having real success with DR1. So, I can't imagine why you would release that into the wild for the public. We are now at the time that version 1.0 was to be available where all of the hardware was supposed to be working. So far this is no where near that stage. I understand delays happen, but as backers I feel we should be kept up to date on what is happening. There has never been even a basic video showing ConsoleOS booting up into Android. I requested this a couple months ago and was told it would take too much time. Really? Someone can't record the booting up and some basic usage etc. on their smartphone and upload it to youtube? I believe I know the real reason now. The product isn't working well enough to show that off. Again stuff happens that cause delays, but I am just not seeing good communication coming from your team to keep us apprised of where ConsoleOS is at in the development cycle.
[Android General] fgdn17:
>e.mote

excellent....but come on...he is an Intel Black-belt you know....I read he showed the group he

was speaking to once how to edit a make file.......that qualifies him I guess, in his mind......!!!!

of course the Intel Black belt award is much like the 1990's MS awards which was nothing more

than getting some free volunteers to talk up their products at all the "special events" they would

hold to get people using the products they were pushing.....
[Android General] Christopher Price:
I will only add that people are successfully using Console OS DR1, provided they followed the release notes. We have only had to de-certify a single system from the DR1 launch list, the Core-based Dell Venue Pro 11. And we are working on that system as well to get it back up and running.

We realize some people expected us to support all Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chipsets in the industry, from day one. As we have noted to backers, we have added Broadcomm Wi-Fi to Intel Wi-Fi in our Lollipop release cycle, and will continue to follow that up with Realtek and Atheros support shortly, possibly before we ship to backers.

Non-backers do not have access to all the updates we are sending out nor do they have access to DR1. If you are a backer, and wish to follow up with me personally, I encourage you to do so.
[Android General] fgdn17:
>Please note that we are not monitoring other sites actively............

say what??? LOL :rolleyes:

think your backers are the ones who need to get these updates not xda forums....!!!!

last update there was what dec 25??

Update #23 - For backers only

Dec 25 2014

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays, Backers

and aren't your iconsole.tv "customers" still awaiting your apps store???? and the product!!!!!!!!!!
[Android General] justmpm:
Hi Everyone,

I think it is best for this thread to be closed for now. The current way that ConsoleOS is being distributed is counter to xda rules, because it is currently not offering an updated version to non backers, which makes it a pay for development project. Most of the discussion has centered around accusations of fraud and as you all know, xda is not a customer service forum, so please take those concerns to the Kickstarter page for this project.

Once a public version of ConsoleOS is available, it may be possible to reopen this thread.

Thanks!
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] bigc9731:
Hello all,

I have a nexus 7 2013 and I am looking for a kernel that supports otg plus charge. Now, I know elemental x (by flar2) and a few others have this but the ones I have found do not support hot swap, or unplug and replug without rebooting. I am pretty sure Timurs kernel supports this but he wants $36 to buy it and I would rather not spend the money without trying it out first. Specifically, I have a fixed in-car installation and a febon100 UVC video grabber to display a backup camera. When the car shuts off, the febon will be disconnected from the usb side of the nexus, and the only way to reconnect it is to reboot the tablet with power connected. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks for the help.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] bigc9731:
Ok so I figured part of it out. After the device looses and regains power, these two commands simulate the usb disconnect and reconnect and seems to work (only tried it a couple times)...

echo "2-0:1.0" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/hub/unbind
echo "2-0:1.0" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/hub/bind

However, I have another issue. I am using the elementalx kernel on android 4.4.4 (currently on Carbon rom but have tried stock and other roms as well with same outcome). When the tablet reboots with the otg cable connected, it does not charge when it first starts up. To charge it, I have to physically unplug and replug the cord in the nexus. Any ideas?
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] quicksilvr2006:
you find a fix for this? i will try that command you posted but i need it to run at startup automatically if it works.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] bigc9731:
Just use tasker to run the commands at startup...
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] websk8r:
Does this set of command still work with lollipop? I just tried a few times and it seems to have made no difference.

Thanks in advance!
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] jimmng:
Yeah im in the same boat. Soooooo many problems with this ****ty tablet. Knew i should have installed an iPad. They said this is the 'best' of android. It's ****ing terrible. People who are thinking of installing an android into your car? A word of advise. Dont do it.

-guy who has worked on nexus 7 2012, AND 2013 car install for more than a year.
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] bmatney:
Do you feel better now?