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[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
It's not worse though is it?
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
Nope... But I'm sure you have tried magic? I don't think it could get worse
[Nexus 6  General] EmperorX:
Your phone could combust. Poof. Fire magic!
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
I have a resist magic spell casted
[Nexus 6  General] EmperorX:
I'm learning!

Lol
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I haven't tested this yet but here is the aosp master compiled with just the tweaks to not flash the recovery, not force encrypt and so it can connect to the play store.

It will definitely need a clean flash so nandroid before you test it so you can revert back. It is just for testing if these games play fine on the master so we can see if it is a ROM side error with 5.0.1/2 and if a fix is sitting up in aosp

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95864024717074188
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
Downloading now, I'll let you know. I've been looking into the "ok google" issue all day and still haven't gotten anywhere. I'll give that a rest and try this.

Edit: hmm??

Tons of apps in the play store look like that on this build.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
That's a reason why we don't build on the aosp master. It comes with it's own set of issues
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
madden still lags too. So the fix must not be in the aosp master branch?
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
So we know that for sure how then.

I did mention something to RIPng earlier that when we were still back at the preview days, there was a selinux denial stopping the scaling of the CPU, it could be a similar issue here.

I'll have to look back through them to double check what it was
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
I assumed since it was still lagging that didn't fix it. I checked to see how the gpu was scaling and it still dipped down to 240mhz when it starts to lag.

Edit: I'm downloading magic 2015 to see if it's any better.
[Nexus 6  General] ztmike:
Just got a nexus 6 the other day and the only game I've tried so far is SimCity Buildit, and after I was able to load up my previous built city there's noticeable lag when roaming through my city. Has anyone played this game and has a decently sized city to test for lag? I'm pretty bummed out about this lag on a flagship phone. And not even sure if switching to the Note 4 is a good plan as that doesn't have Lollipop yet.

I read that Google's forced encryption on the Nexus 6 is responsible for lag to..I really didn't want to have to go through the hassle of getting root just so I can use my phone.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
ahh, found what I was thinking about and wondering if this is a similar deal on the gpu scaling issue

https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/109700/ don't mind that is for mako, other devices have the same one

https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/101800/

so what files are the governor for the gpu?
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
The lag brought by force encryption is pretty much a non issue for a regular user and this GPU issue will probably be corrected by Google in the next update but since this is XDA, we aren't happy waiting around for google to fix it.

Switching to a note 4 is only gonna benefit you if you want a note 4, in the long run, the n6 will be supported for a longer time period then the note 4
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
Not sure I would ask RIPng
[Nexus 6  General] ztmike:
I don't mind waiting if Google decides to fix this in an update a fixed update in the next update would be wonderful though.

I also been having a weird problem on the amazon app..when opening up (most) product detail pages it takes forever before it loads up the actual item page I think it says "Loading" and it happens for a good minute sometimes on a fast home WiFi connection..and some other times it loads up instantly.. Very odd
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
He is out eating sushi
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
I may be totally wrong (I definitely am not a kernel dev lol ), but maybe here:

https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-shamu-3.10-lollipop-release/drivers/gpu/msm/adreno.c
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
Maybe we should send him a GPU roll with extra scaling on it and spicy Mayo
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Yup, totally wrong
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
From what we've seen from logcats, it looks like these games you are having issues with are actually poorly coded. I am not too sure why they have no issues on other devices, this could be a combination of things such as ART, kernel version, target sdk, our SoC, etc.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Yup, I have been running through them with logcats going and catching all the errors from wrongly called web views, to too much on the main thread (magic 2015 was spamming those errors) to incorrectly called rendering (this changed in lollipop) (madden has bad of dumps in the qdoverlay)
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
So madden had rendering issues due to changes in lollipop, which we were covering up by locking the gpu at max.
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
I wish I was as confident as you are that google actually fixes this.

If gaming is a priority I could recommend this phone to said person in its current state.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Pretty much. RIPng have been running games all day watching logcats with debugging turn all the way up (the hangouts spam is driving me nuts) looking for things like that in the logs.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Actually it looks to be app side that needs to be fixed, things aren't being called correctly like they should in lollipop so the apps should be updated to resolve it.

Games like asphalt 8 play perfect and that is a very demanding and don't have all those errors

Edited. I meant aren't being called correctly
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
You know more about it than I but it really sucks that they run fine on other phones with LP

Luckily my main game is playable especially on performance but I'll have to hope the next game I get into runs good on this phone.
[Nexus 6  General] TheSopranos16:
I have the same Amazon issue. If you keep pressing back and clicking the item again, it eventually loads fast. Seems random but happens often. I notice something similar with the xda app too.
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
I've had this happen on a few apps over quite a few devices over the years. Don't think this is a issue with this phone
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
I can report MC5 works well on our device:) You know, if you want to play that, I am up for a match
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Unfortunately that is the downside to having a nexus and lollipop is already extremely buggy with memory leaks and other things of the sort in the factory software along with redoing a bunch of APIs just a tiny bit that the calls are different now coupled with a new runtime creates a bunch of hell
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
So it's probably safe to say the apps need an update and people just need to be patient
[Nexus 6  General] wolfeyes30:
Oh boy....and I thought I was going crazy. [emoji4]
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Pretty much. RIPng and I went through the debugging all day on these games finding what would be working fine in kit Kat but now is different in lollipop being the main source of the errors.

Magic uses it's SDK which probably needs to be updated to lollipop and that is why that game's performance is so terrible while other games just lag a bit in their errors
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
Thanks for all the hard work and looking into it... Now we bug the devs of these games to update their junk
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
Madden is EA guys, just Google EA launch issues;)
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Yup. You had a ROM Dev and a kernel Dev working on debugging it and trying several different ways to try to fix it on our side and the more and more we dug, the easier it was to see the actual issue.

So it isn't the phone. It is a combination of new hardware, new kernel, new runtime, along with ****ty coding (like the ea games) and old APIs being used still
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
But the thing is if it's just our device that's having problems Companies are not going to be rushing to fix anything. We would need much more of an outpouring... Like the Samsung Galaxy 5/Note 4 crowd to have problems and speak up. But i have a feeling they will not run into this problem after updating.

So where does that leave us? Waiting on google to do something...I dunno.

Just for the record was getting lag in Star Wars Kotor in large open areas over time till I turned gpu kernel onto performance which helped alot BUT is there a way (can't figure it out in Trickster or Tasker) to set a profile so that GPU kernel goes to performance while activating certain apps/games???
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
You can definetly do that in tasker, I'll look into it for you when I get time. btw we now have a working method of getting "ok google" to work on aosp roms, but it's not very elegant...(look back a page)

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/general/ok-google-everywhere-aosp-rom-t2963716/page17#post57914072
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I guess I'll share the trick to have it working reliably tomorrow without all the hoop jumping and why it wasn't persisting through reboots
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
you're joking right? I've looked everywhere and can't figure it out. Let me know tomorrow, I'm done for the day. (I'd thank you, but I'm out for the day)
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Sorry, I got caught up in all the debugging with the GPU stuff today that I completely forgot about it and now I gotta head to sleep to work tomorrow.

It is a matter of the socket not being able to connect with audio sensory
[Nexus 6  General] bpdev:
It's cool, I was joking. I appreciate all of the help over the past few days.
[Nexus 6  General] lyrical exercise:
ere is something interesting games like COD heroes and dead trigger 2 lag so I decided for the hell of it try running a benchmark program. I used 3d Marks one of the greatest benchmark programs for PC and to my surprise at full detailet and what not the results were good. The benchmark is intense looks like a descent PC game. Not really helpful I know but just thought I share it.

My Motorola Nexus 6 maxed out the 3DMark Ice Storm Extreme Android benchmark test:

Scores & Comparison

(-, +, =) Icons indicate comparison with your device.

ScoreMaxed out! (Maxed out!) Graphics scoreMaxed out! Physics scoreMaxed out!

Graphics test 1 59.4 FPS (59 FPS)

Graphics test 2 51.2 FPS (51 FPS)

Physics test 46.9 FPS (45 FPS)

OS Version 5.0.2
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
Yes and i get 54k with stock on antutu. But benchmark programs don't tell the full story.

They are made to run at max for a short period of time before switching. They don't take certain things into consideration and won't find problems like memory leaks.

We know the phone is capable of great performance what we are trying to still determine is why is it not consistent.
[Nexus 6  General] TheCryptoFairy:
Anyone else working on fixing this? I've narrowed it down to the following:

-Speaker channel configuration is the same for portrait or rotated left 90 degrees, so that transition doesn't trigger a PCM restart

-Speaker channels must be flipped when rotating right 90 degrees so at this point it appears that the sound/soc/codecs/tfa9890.c driver is being torn down and brought up again in the new channel configuration.

Hopefully I'll be able to figure out how to fix it. If anyone else has info (such as if this has already been fixed :p) please chime in
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
My thoughts exactly..

I guess ill have to keep my old phone around so I can play games that won't run on my N6 Even though they both have LP ones just two years older.

If we're blaming new hardware and kernel then what about the note 4 with the same hardware not having this issue?
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
Are you guys not reading the posts?
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
I'm reading them!

---------- Post added at 05:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:00 AM ----------

I just emailed customer support to see if they had any plans to update the app to play on our device
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
It seems some aren't, we ave stated what we believe the issue is, yet people are continually comparing to other devices, our device is pretty much one of a kind at this moment in time. The only device that COULD have issues is flounder, but they also use a Tegra, this may help us narrow it down to how our SoC works.
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
Sorry just a hard pill to swallow on my expensive inferior phone.

I think we all know game developers are not gonna update for a small phone base like the N6.

I thank all you guys for spending the time looking into it. Many of us appreciate it.
[Nexus 6  General] adl:
How is dead trigger 2 working for you guys? It's the only game I ever play and it runs fine on my Nexus 5, so I was wondering if it also laggs on the Nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
I understand your frustration, if it isn't fixed by these games being patched we may see the issue across more devices later on. If what we suspect isn't the case I would be surprised. Anyhow, we are still working on optimizing the code on the kernel side for our SoC. Look at the work Franco and Imoseyon are doing on their githubs, I am pulling from their and the CAF branches as well. There is only so much we can do from our side.

I will try it if I can download the game over LTE.
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
Seems to run just fine on my N6
[Nexus 6  General] saj2001ind:
Asphalt 8 also run perfectly fine
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
That's like saying that it is a hard pill to swallow that my brand new expensive ps4 won't play my ps3 games though.

The games weren't designed with the ps4 in mind, they were designed with the ps3 and were badly coded for that in the first place.

The game developers are going to have no choice but to update their games because once more devices get updated to lollipop, this is going to become more apparent.

Yes it is the fault of both Google and the app developers because lollipop was not even close to ready for prime time, there should have probably been another preview but at the same time, these app developers didn't bother taking the time to update their games to the new APIs that have been available for months (I seen this all through the preview too)
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
Guys do me a favour, run a logcat while you play your games and compare the logs between different games, you will see what [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] and I were seeing. First try Magic/Madden/FIFA, then try Asphalt/MC5/Dead Trigger, you will notice the difference in effort the devs put into the code.
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
I haven't seen one person with another phone on LP complain about this issue..Just saying..

We seem to be the only users on LP having this issue and our phone was the one that came with official LP.

Maybe if other phones on LP had this issue it would be better but the thing is developers wont need to update anything because other people arent going to complain because the games will run fine. Just like they do on my old LG. Every single game thats been mentioned on here runs just fine on my LG with LP so why would anyone complain ya know?

If I had a PS4 that didnt run PS3 games well and the guy next door had some knockoff PS4 that ran PS3 games just fine I'd have a problem with that.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree I suppose. As a consumer I guess I just expect my $700 phone to perform better than my old one thats all.
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
So your old phone uses official lollipop from the manufacturer? Does it also support new OpenGL? Does it have a 3.10 Kernel? Does it have the 805 SoC?

If you bought a phone to play games, you have other issues on your hands. You are complaining about owning a device that can't play a couple poorly coded games yet are taking it out on people who try to investigate and alleviate the issue. If you are that worried about playing games on your phone, return it and buy a different device...
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
I'm not attacking anyone. I just thanked him and anyone else for looking into this and trying to figure it out. I'm simply expressing my fustration.

Its more then a couple games and as I said my game runs fine now. All these other games I don't play but as a consumer buying a $700 phone yeah I expected not to have to use my old phone for things.

I'm past my 14 days so I couldn't return it if I wanted to. Sorry you took what I wrote personal or whatever because that was not my intention.

I'm not sure how to take your statement about buying the N6 to play games. I wasn't aware that the N6 was a phone not to buy for games at the time of purchase.
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
And who's going to complain when all the new games run better on our device in a month or so... Sucks to have the latest hardware and software. But Google built this device and had gaming in mind. Sooner or later game devs will start making use of it.

Just player dead trigger 2 and it ran without a hitch on Max graphics settings using FK on the stock GPU governor
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
It's not that I took it personally, it's just the fact that people are whining about this stuff and their responses seem to negate any post we have made regarding our observations. It's as if our help was requested and since they didn't like the results of our investigation that they are acting like we don't know anything at all.
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
I assure you none of us felt that way at all. Like i said I appreciate everything you've done. Am I happy with the results? Hell no but it is what it is.

I guess I'm a whiner ;)
[Nexus 6  General] piftoffpenguin:
Lag as well so I'm testing ROMs

I'm having this same lag. It is not normal nor as advertised, and you cant blame the developer if it works on another device thats the same, so... I'm installing Euphoria ROM now and I'll be posting my results with Madden and Brave Frontier in this post:

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/help/gaming-lag-t2991998#post57921217
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
No one is having that issue.... The games in question lag on every n6
[Nexus 6  General] DespairFactor:
Nice job skipping to the end of the thread...

Show me the Nexus 6 without the issue. I am getting sick of these posts saying it is a device issue rather than a problem with the code the games are using, why are you guys not using logcats to investigate the application side prior to blaming the hardware?
[Nexus 6  General] Traqic:
It's your right to be frustrated. But keep in mind we are early adopters of this technology here. We have the latest hardware and software combination available. When game systems come out, the first games are never really fully optimized for them. Take a look at the early ps3, ps2 and Xbox, etc. titles that came out during the birth of the system and compare them to now.

Some things just can't be avoided like bugs in software and hardware or the ability of devs to not completely utilize a system. Testing will get you far if you're really good, but testing real world application and all the innovative workarounds is a hard thing to do. Flagships will always push boundaries so you have to expect that there will be flaws in your 700 dollar phone.

I thought we were in this little community because we know what to expect and put our device's faith in the hands of people who listen and cater to various wants, needs, and uses. You want to be frustrated, go right ahead, but frustration alone will get us nowhere if you aren't willing to let that frustration motivate you to help change.

This isn't directed only at you. Many others on these forums are the same way and this message is for them as well. I don't mean to attack, merely make aware.
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
Because that requires curiosity. Scapegoating just requires anger.
[Nexus 6  General] Turgur:
my eMMC is Sandisk and my DRAM is Samsung. No lag issues to report. Looks like everyone got a combo of the 3! Fun!
[Nexus 6  General] bradputt:
mine's same as yours, i have tried the game Family Guy - The Quest For Stuff and it's playing ok, no lag or what so ever.

mine is unencrypted, slim rom and lean kernel
[Nexus 6  General] michmeister:
I love my nexus 6 .. No complaints here.
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
I don't think it's the different ram. I think some people may just be more observant of lag OR are playing games longer.

Anyone that doubts this go to Google play store, look at Madden NFL Moble. 5 Million downloads, all positive reviews across all devices, now sort reviews for our device, every single Nexus 6 review complains about massive lag. Not half, all of them.

Anyone that thinks this phone is fine download that game and report back.
[Nexus 6  General] OrionBG:
I'm running the stock ROM unencrypted... no other mods at all...not even root...

The game lags a lot! Have in mind that I'm already level 33 and i have a big city and a lot of characters are walking around. The same Game with the same account works perfectly on the Note 3 and the Moto G...
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
No thanks, I have taste.
[Nexus 6  General] low.humidity:
is this an issue [game lag] that might be better if window animation scale be adjusted? going to .5 made my n6 and n9 zippy.
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
Dude we just spent $700 on a device that's not doing what it should. And you are not adding anything of value to the discussion.

Yes games can have compatability issues for a new os, usually means they just won't start.

But i have never seen anything like this on a new powerful device. This never happened on Nexus 5.

Changing kernals and software updates might help over time. But i doubt either are going to make some of these problems completely go away
[Nexus 6  General] TheEmpyre:
I too am getting horrible lag when I tried playing Magic 2015, it's essentially unplayable that's how bad it lags. I have chalked it up to poor software optimization, but starting to wonder if it's a hardware issue
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
The games being cited are EA and Rockstar games. They run like crap on just about every platform and are badly supported. And always have been, and always will be. Stop buying crap and then complaining it is crap.

Further anyone spending $700 to have a glorified Gameboy has the $$$ to not worry about spending $700.
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
This is 100% not true. These games I'm pointing out are running fine on everyone else system except ours!

Has anyone else picked up Gta Chinatown Wars? If you just drive around the city you can feel the game go from smooth to laggy constantly
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
Even if there is a software architecture problem with our device...Rockstar and EA will never address it. That is how they are and have always been, and supporting those clowns in any way shape or form is only perpetuating their idiocy.

So ultimately, whatever the problem is with their games, complaining about it is moot.
[Nexus 6  General] Turgur:
Are other phones with Lollipop experiencing the same lag issues?
[Nexus 6  General] rootusr:
My Nexus 5 runs fine, that is the problem
[Nexus 6  General] TheEmpyre:
I know benchmark tests are to be taken with a grain of salt but nexus 5 devices are ranked higher than my Nexus 6 running stock rooted on Antutu, thought that was interesting
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
This is what I'm wondering. And so far i don't see people who have updated to 5.0 on Nexus 5/Lg G3 complaining of similar problems.

If these problems don't persist on Samsung devices when they roll out 5.0 we might be on our own and screwed

I'm not trying to be dramatic but at this price point I want this phone to last me a couple years.
[Nexus 6  General] md1008:
So far I have had no issues with the games I have played. Will download a game stating it lags and report. Right now I really only play 2 games. Dead trigger 2 and San Andreas. If I remember correctly people were complaining of San Andreas about lag and FC when it first came out. On my Nexus 6 and Note 10.1 2014 GTA:SA runs buttery smooth. Both stock non root