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[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
Gta: Sa runs smooth for me too but menus become wonky and unresponsive when you pause after playing for a while. Maybe that could be a 5.0 compatability issue? I dunno.
[Nexus 6  General] CraigP17:
this is an issue with the Nexus 6. you can defend it and make excuses all you want. but the same games run great on older devices and devices with just as good displays.

i love my Nexus 6 and have not once thought about getting rid of it, but the fact remains, it cannot handles some games as well as other devices. it is confusing how this is happening.
[Nexus 6  General] biggiestuff:
I play spider man unlimited and the 1st 2-3 games play fine but after that it's laggy as hell. I'm at the point where if i want to keep playing a few more games I have to predict the lag or not go for any crazy combos and if i go further after that, forget it. The game doesn't even respond before I can even see the obstacles. plays fine on my moto x 2013 and just as crappy on my nexus 7 after the lollipop update.
[Nexus 6  General] JasonJoel:
An interesting data point will be how the snapdragon version of the Note 4 performs on the same games once it is upgraded to lollipop. Similar SOC.

If it works better maybe it will shed light on something. If same performance as N6, that will be good info too.
[Nexus 6  General] brizey:
Sammy may hedge on some stuff since the phone started on KK.

I view this similarly to websites that don't work correctly on desktop Chrome... It's the website.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
People don't want to hear that it is the website or app. They want to complain about the device.

I'm pretty sure Sammy will take the easy way on this though and half do the lollipop update. I'm more curious about the droid turbo
[Nexus 6  General] old_fart:
Agreed. Very much so. But I read that the western world 'Note 4' is exactly the same hardware. So when I ran a dozen benchmarks and saw that the N6 was kicking its a$$ very badly, consistently and I was going 'wtf' / why the difference ? They 'have to' be using the same HAL. So the devil is in the API's The kk api's versus the lp api's. That showed the lp's engine is ten percent ( plus ) better, inherently. I predict the 'Note 4' on lp will have the same issues. That'll push the boulder off the edge of the cliff .
[Nexus 6  General] brizey:
They will leave enough Kit Kat in to make it work...with their 3 GB ROM, lol. Then there will be another set of crap that runs poorly because it's expecting pure lollipop.
[Nexus 6  General] Drefsab:
I for one would like to thank everyone for their help in this matter. I think now what needs to bbe done is take those logcats showing its an app issue (anyone have links of them in pastebin etc?) And submit the issues to the app develops with the logs. This will be the only way to apply presure to fix the apps.
[Nexus 6  General] JasonJoel:
Good point. I don't game anyway, so have little skin in the game so to speak. Was just thinking out loud.
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
Yup happens with power ? amp? Too… not all the time

Via my NeXus™ 6 on Tapatalk⁴
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
[MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] I know there's no dedicated thread for Frank... But is there anywhere you might drop builds whether it's on the nexus 6 forum or another device?
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
There is a google + post listed in the op in the n4 and n5 threads but there is also a link there for the direct afh folder where they are posted. I'm actually working on a build 9 right now to patch a couple more memory leaks
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
Can anyone tell me till all this is fixed or magically goes away :p how i can set profiles in trixter mod in regards to raising and lowering gpu govener performance?

I don't see the option in trixter, and don't see a plugin for tasker i just don't know if this can be done.

I keep forgetting after gaming to lower it again, not sure how badly that's affecting overal battery life
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
If anyone grabbed build 9 that was uploaded earlier, that was was replaced with a new one that has OK Google working everywhere properly now
[Nexus 6  General] MrDSL:
Faux clock does this so I bought it but not sure if its actually working.
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
I finally received a response from the Magic 2015 support team:

Thank you for taking the time to contact Wizards of the Coast Game Support. Unfortunately, at this time, Magic 2015 for Android is optimized for tablets. If you are attempting to play it on a mobile phone, certain features may not function properly. We do not have any information at this time on whether the game will be optimized for mobile phones. However, I would advise keeping an eye on our web site for any news or updates regarding this.
[Nexus 6  General] adl:
Hm, nearly sounds like an auto-response to me. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
I agree, I gave them a good response
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
For anyone wanting to do some testing.

Isolated an issue where the CPU wasn't scaling properly. After fixing it, the menus in magic 2015 don't lag as bad and it is actually playable once you get past them (there is still major bug causing the menu lag there but nothing I can do about device side) but other games should be more playable now.

My build 10 has this fix, sensei kernel has it and I passed on the info for the fix for terminus

My frank builds https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=23463
[Nexus 6  General] bulvine420:
Its a brand new os and not the phone
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Way to read even back one page....
[Nexus 6  General] bulvine420:
I'm drunk leave me alone
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Lmfao, you are excused good sir.

I do ask that you refrain from any flashing of your phone while in your intoxicated state though for public safety
[Nexus 6  General] bulvine420:
The funny thing is I haven't got my phone yet ships tomorrow

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Bricked phone before while drunk lol
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
It is a awesome phone getting tons of community development just like any other nexus
[Nexus 6  General] pwned3:
What ROM is this? I can't find the forum thread. Is generic device the correct download? I just want to be sure before I flash a different device's ROM

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
That's actually mine. I haven't started a n6 thread yet because things are being worked out.

Yes in generic since I have builds across different nexus devices so I keep them together. The n6 one is for the nexus 6 and it has the check to prevent flashing on the wrong device.

I do have n5 and n4 threads that are current though

Edit. You are probably looking for what it is about.

Frank is stock aosp with lots and lots of bug fixes. I focus on fixing all the bugs I come across so I can have a solid testing platform for my other development then pass off those fixes to other developers.

You won't find no fancy icons or built in themes (have something coming for that soon though) or funny settings to tweak things (also coming soon but in a different way then everyone else) just rock solid running aosp ROM.

You will need gapps with it and flash your superuser of choice
[Nexus 6  General] aoaleman:
Hey Syko, you say your latest prebuild 10 is stock with numerous fixes. Is the kernel encryptable/decrypted? Or I could just flash a decrypted kernel, correct?
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
It isn't force encrypted so if you are already decrypted, you won't be forced encrypted
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I did introduce a bug in myself with the recents key that I am working on right now though :(
[Nexus 6  General] aoaleman:
Ah, sorry to hear that. I guess it's like any programming; fix something, something else breaks.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
That's exactly how it is. So far the the n6 has had the most debugging to do so far but then again, I have had several months with lollipop on the n4 and n5 so I already knew where the bugs where there
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
what kind of bug with a recents CAN you introduce???
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
It is actually pulling them up in the activity stack so it doesn't want to pull them up in a app since the foreground app is taking precedence
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
ahh, i see. i cant help, sorry. nor can i give you a thanks :mad:
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I already have it reversed for the next build, working on next bugs right now
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
lol, that was fast :silly:
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I knew about it hours ago and it is hit or miss that it effects someone and it is kinda random
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Its art
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Yes, it is lovely beautiful art.

What kinds do you prefer?

I like architecture and metal sculptures
[Nexus 6  General] warrenis1234:
a little OT, but since you're squashing bugs, do you have any input on wakelocks and Google services? sensor_ind for ex.
[Nexus 6  General] stebomurkn420:
Who in the absolute f*** buys a nexus to game on.. Smgdh... Most of these games are not optimized for our software or hardware. Give it time people ;)
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
As stated already this is a premium device, besides gaming why would someone need this much processing power? You could make a case that if you bought this device without the intention of gaming you wasted $700

Specs on paper show this should be the perfect mobile device to game on.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I would assume from what I have seen that the wakelocks and drain from google services is something that needs to be fixed google side but I've noticed several data and memory leaks in their own apps and that is why you are getting high drain from it
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Not a fan

Referring to Android Run TIme thx
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Then you would have bothered reading back a bit instead of blurting out a random thought and saw that those same games run perfectly fine on the n4, n5, n7, n9 and n10, guess what???

They are all running the same art runtime as the n6 on the same version of the same lollipop so the conclusions would probably be that it isn't art...
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Logic dictates if it worked on all the other Nexus devices it should work on this yes......however different hardware. Games not optimized for the hardware.

Could still be ART. Lets wait for a developer to update the game for the new hardware

Without an update im going to assume ART lol
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Or you could try reading back a bit for the actual diagnosis of developers that did research it and spent the time debugging it... Or just go with your logic
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
You have a great point I will put it on the list!
[Nexus 6  General] javacody:
Or you could stop being an ass. That works, too.

This isn't a $350 device. This is a top of the line, full price Nexus.

I'm guessing you don't actually even have one?
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I'm not being an ass, you blurted out a random thought without bothering reading a thread where it has been diagnosed and I countered what you said with actual info and you countered with more random and I told you to read back where it was diagnosed.

Ignorance of something right in front of you is no excuse for others to provide that info to you if you don't bother trying yourself.

Yes I do have one, I'm typing to you on it right now and mine runs fantastic.

If you want someone to yell at about your top of the line full priced nexus, go yell at the devs of those crappy games with bad coding to update properly to lollipop APIs instead of bad patching because the n6 doesn't support that bad patching

Edit. My bad, I didn't see that wasn't directed at me lol
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Explain!!!!

My 64gb n6 arrives tomorrow after 30 days of waiting.

Its only chinatown wars.....with this issue clearly theres something different in the n6 than others that causes choppy play maybe a rogue sensor being tripped by the game. Im sure an update would resolve ONE game
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
The games need to be fixed properly by the developers and isn't device side. We saw all kinds of wrong api calls and just bad coding in general tripping all kinds of errors while debugging.

Unfortunately google changed a lot of the APIs and while they are only minor differences and the system will shuffle them to the right ones to let them run, it causes a performance hit which the user sees as lag.

Now lollipop is also to blame here, there are also memory leaks in the media server which doesn't help and a bunch of null references that things are hitting on. I just had to go through the av stack updating it and with those fixes, rendering is definitely speedier so that will help some too
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
More detailed version of what I said lol but yes
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
Not really, you said it is art related when it has absolutely nothing to do with art but mostly bad api calling by the games
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Its only chinatown wars.....with this issue clearly theres something different in the n6 than others that causes choppy play maybe a rogue sensor being tripped by the game. Im sure an update would resolve ONE game
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
In developer options I have all animations disabled… this speeds up phone ?… less lag it feels

Via my NeXus™ 6 on Tapatalk⁴
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
I personally turn everyone to .5 on all my devices, the default just feels so slow even on the n4 and n5
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
I turned to 0 on n5 and note 4, big difference I felt. Nice to see I'm not the only one.

Sent from my SM-N910T running CM.
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
[MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] I see Frank 10 was released, any major changes over 9? Still using stock kernel? Also is 11 around the corner? Thinning of flashing 10 but I'll wait it need be.
[Nexus 6  General] sykopompos:
There is a 10.5 actually but 11/or actual release will be in the next few days
[Nexus 6  General] DPretzelK:
Hhmmm...

I'm not trying to defend my Nexus 6 but... Actually, mine runs very well! I installed lot of games and even after play 1 hour and 13 minutes Modern Combat 5 with graphics at maximum (not "Optimized"... I really mean maximum graphics) the game was so smooth that I fell in love with this phone. I also downloaded Spider-Man Unlimited and it runs very well, no lagg so far, what I just expected from my phone.

My Nexus is stock, not even rooted or bootloader unlocked! Obviously it is encrypted as well... Maybe just lucky:confused:
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
Can u run ? here beta maps app with no lag when scrolling offline maps? Thx

Mine is huge lag

Via my NeXus™ 7FHD on XDA Premium app
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
Just flashed Frank again, can't get OK Google to work with screen off. I even flashed the zip, no dice, cleared Google app, no dice
[Nexus 6  General] adl:
Found this on youtube, at least Dead Trigger 2 is running pretty flawless:

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[Nexus 6  General] DPretzelK:
Yeah, I have it at maximum graphics and it works 100% well.

I can't believe it... It is lagged as hell. ?
[Nexus 6  General] Radixtrator:
Yeah for me as well.. Maybe something to do with ART?
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
Ok lol so every nex6 lags with this app… maybe its not optimized on lollipop5.0… I wonder if another 5.0 andro phone ? like note4 has issues with this app…

Via my NeXus™ 7FHD on XDA Premium app
[Nexus 6  General] Smallsmx3:
It's a Beta app?
[Nexus 6  General] racerex:
Asphalt 7 starts to lag big time on Nexus 6 because of (I believe) thermal throttling that kicks in after a few minutes of play.

As a reference, I also have the Moto X (2013) running 4.4.4. which has no lag playing Asphalt 7. Also my friend has the Moto X (2014) running 5.0 which has no lag playing Asphalt 7.

The only thing I can think of at this point is that the QHD resolution of the Nexus 6 is really straining the GPU when playing high frame rate games. The phone definitely gets warm to the touch and my best guess is that the lag which starts to happen after a few minutes of play is a result of thermal throttling.

All phones mentioned above are stock.
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
i have asphalt 7 on my nexus 6, and not any lag at all. but i do always have thermal throttle disabled(as i really hate it). also, i have my cpu set up a bit differently than stock. i run my cpu at 3033mhz/300 or at 2880mhz/300, with ondemand being the governor and deadline the scheduler. also, i keep mpdecision disabled.
[Nexus 6  General] racerex:
Is it safe to disable thermal throttling?
[Nexus 6  General] lifeatabhi:
Thermal throttling is essential to keep your processor stable and reduce heat. It depends on the value at which it throttles and how the frequency is managed. There are different scripts to tweak this value but I may not recommend them as many have seen adverse affects in the long time usage. You may try installing other ROM to see if it were an issue with the stock android you use.

I am using the latest build of Cm12 and I do not see any issues. Its encrypted and boosts quickly to match the expectations. I tested the performance for 40 minutes with 98% of the processor used continuously with loads up to 17 and battery temperature raised until 45 degree C(started with 39 Degrees). For the first 10 minutes the processor clocked itself to 2.65 GHz as max and for the next 20 minutes fluctuated with a rise and decrease in frequencies within the range of 1.7 to 2.2 GHz. In the last 10 minutes the temperature was at 45 degrees and the frequencies were within the range of 1.1 to 1.4 GHz. However, I did not find any lag while I was playing games like asphalt 8 airborne, respawnables, Unearthed:Trail of Ibn Battuta etc.
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
is it safe, yes, as the thermal safety temp still stays. if your phone does reach the thermal safety temp of 105C, then itll automatically shut down to cool off.

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sounds as you are quoting the battery temp, not cpu temp. as the cpu will shoot up in temp when its being used. battery temp and cpu temp are two different things.
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
Isn't it sad that we are talking about overclocking a new phone and going through all these steps to get (and in this case) an old game to run properly?

I have eliminated some of the lag I had in games just from going to performance governor in the GPU kernel on trickster mod. But to me this is a short term fix that doesn't work with all the problem games mentioned in this thread
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
most of the issues with gaming going on in this thread is with old games that arent optimized for the nexus 6. most, not all.
[Nexus 6  General] racerex:
Yes it is pretty sad that in stock form my 2013 Moto X does a better job running Asphalt 7 than my brand new Nexus 6.

From the past few responses in this thread all I can surmise is that the stock thermal mitigation scheme of the Nexus 6 is way too aggressive AND/OR the thermal envelope of the device/processor doesn't allow for enough dissipation to maintain decent gaming frame rates at QHD type resolutions.
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
install an app that shows you live cpu temps, and play asphalt 7. you will see it will wont reach temps that will set off thermal throttle. also, the game came out way before the nexus 6 ever appeared, and last it was updated was on nov 3 2014. as i said, i have it installed, asphalt 7, and it plays fine. but thats probably because of the way i have myself set up cpu-wise. most likely its not at all optimized for the n6.
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
True that's what we think. But at first it was thought this was a 5.0 art issue and now that we are seeing other updated devices run these games properly it's not that... Or not just that.

Now ask yourself if the issue here is a combination of new hardware/new operating system and such and right now Nexus 6 owners are alone on this who knows how long before anyone takes it seriously or this is fixed.

We are in such a minority
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
minority we are. but in fact ive had no issues playing games, mostly newer games is what ive installed. im also a continuous tinkerer, so far i have whatever issues they are beat.
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
There is a new here beta maps on GPS… IT FIXES the lag!!!..its not smooth as google maps but very much scrollable now

Via my NeXus™ 6 on Tapatalk⁴
[Nexus 6  General] adl:
Let's hope this happens with those lagging games as well.
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
It would be interesting to write the Dev of beta maps to ask what in particular they had to change on nexus 6 to make it work.

Probably wouldn't get a response but would be interesting to know
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
ya i emailed them...waiting for them to reply back

d to each request individually, but rest assured that we listen to all feedback and use it to improve HERE apps.
[Nexus 6  General] Amos91:
Must be encrypted or low on battery during the benchmark?

Mine is wayyyyy higher than the Nexus 5.

In my opinion this is a software issue. The hardware is more than capable of running these games and it is used fine in other devices. Must be a compatibility issue with lollipop or art.
[Nexus 6  General] oakley470:
Runs fine for me installed it just for you, not a single issue. Uninstalling it now
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
i just installed madden mobile, just because of this thread, and it runs fine. smooth id say. running rastakat on android 5.0.2 with lean kernel and with elemental kernel i tried.
[Nexus 6  General] melambar:
I am running stock 5.0.1, rooted with the ElementalX 0.10 kernel. When I checked my dashboard in the companion app it said that my Max CPU frequency was only at 1497mhz. I had left my clock speeds untouched and something had decided to underclock my device.

If you are having performance issues on a custom kernel, I would advise checking to make sure that nothing has messed with your CPU clock settings.
[Nexus 6  General] msd24200:
Yes
[Nexus 6  General] Hand76:
I have not tried Madden for for a couple weeks but doubt anything has changed. Also are you guys just playing for a few minutes and exiting?

Every Nexus 6 review talks about this. Go look. All those people can't be wrong.

Anyone else pick up Chinatown Wars here? Also would lile top get some feedback see if you were getting some slowdown.
[Nexus 6  General] simms22:
youd be surprised how wrong they can be. some, will actually be right. especially if stock, as you cant really change anything. but with root, you can change your cpu settings, disable mpdecision, and run at a much better performance enabled cpu speed, with different governors and schedulers as well.
[Nexus 6  General] TheEmpyre:
Just tried Madden myself and it looks like when it's close up it runs very smooth, but zoomed out views of the field lag a lot.... Bummer

Interestingly, clash of clans runs buttery smooth... Not sure what to make of that

Update: also just tried brothers in arms 3 and it ran very smooth.

This just has to be some sort of software issue if some games run fine and others do not

Running stock 5.0.1 rooted
[Nexus 6  General] Irish1842:
I just tried out Madden out of curiosity. The game runs fine on my Note 2 - and that phone has NOT aged well at all for me. The game barely runs on my stock Nexus 6 though. During a play the game lags so much it looks like you're playing in slow motion.
[Nexus 6  General] mrmjv:
Absolutely no lag when I play it!
[Nexus 6  General] unregistered825:
Played about half a season on Madden. I see some lag during wide screen shots on kick off returns. It's still playable but the pay to win format gets boring fast.

Asphalt 8 is another story. I only played Nevada but saw no lag during a half dozen games. Not sure what gives but it seems like a software optimization problem.

Just played about 5 missions in BoA3. Didn't feel any lag at all.