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[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
Congrats your ur Dopod wu. :)

I'm glad you're having no issues with it so far. I'll be getting the Ameo despite its supposed shortcomings + insurance!! So what the hey?!?!

Agreed, HTC are new to ROM building, but they do now own Dopod, so I very much doubt that their ROM will lag behind Dopods especially if Dopod have to help them perfect the HTC ROM.

Who cares anyway? Soon enough we will have access to the most stable and fastest ROM and all versions of the X7500 will run exactly the same, as the hardware is the same.

My only concern now is the stablility of the HDD.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Arya:
yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage

but problem is color:( it is silver:(

can paint it and change color to black or change the case?

I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case

can it do with athena?

tanX
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.

You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.

Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.

So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] nuclear:
Ask Indra how to do it. He should be available in the Universal forums.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
That is very well say, agree with you there. Let's see if HTC can come up with a stable ROM (with the help from DOPOD). Hopefully they make their ROM right so they don't damage the HDD. After Advantage is out, we can then compare all the ROM and choose the best one and install.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Arya:
I think and select x7500

i want a POCKET PC with BIG screen

with GPS and GOOD camera

FAST and POWER

with KEYBOARD to type very long SMS

LOUD speaker

with INFRARED:(

Athena has all of thing except Infrared

I want X7500 for it's color

I don't go for U1000 because it is now chinesse and if it available in English, maybe i get it

Ameo is locket and can't use

but i think now that i comming to get one athena, i get that i like color and ...

the ondy different in their is in COLOR and ROM and MATTERIAL. i think hardware is like eachother and one has problem other has it too

tanX and sorry for my long post
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Arya:
Why in universal forum?

Changing case of athena in Universal forum?!!!!!!11
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] P996:
This is funny, I already own the T-Mobile Ameo for almost two weeks now, even before you posted this.

1. the battery life is pretty impressive for such a device, you can get through a working day with a couple of phone calls and internet surfing/playing around with the unit and the battery still shows 30% power left.

For some people this battery life may not be good enough, for me it is OK since I always charge my phone(s) over night anyway.

2. I "smashed" the Ameo several times on my office desk, on my bed, on my office chair, I carried it around all the time, even running with it in my pocket.

No problems at all with the HDD, especially since it uses a sensor which detects "acceleration"(drops, movements, etc.), so I highly doubt that there would be trouble, even if it isn't mounted properly.

Of course there will be an updated Ameo/X7500 by the end of this year, HTC puts out a lot of new units on the market, I would be surprised if they didn't.

I highly doubt that HTC would "allow" T-Mobile to acquire and sell defective Ameos, T-Mobile could easily make them responsible for defective units and this could cost HTC a lot of money.

I don't say this isn't true but I know how rumours and gossip is travelling the internet and although sometimes there is some truth behind all this talk, I would take it with a grain of salt. ;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
It's not the Ameo or Dopod u1000 being push back, it's the HTC Advantage, the Rom they wrote is causing Damage to the HDD. Ameo and DOPOD U1000 don't have this problem
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] P996:
Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.

Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP. ;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
Man, it's not GOSSIP, i was one of the tester for HTC Advantage, i have been notify by HTC that the Rom has serious Bug on HDD handle. I also have contact of one of the most senior engineer in HTC. It has been confirm Advantage is being push back, just don't know how late it will be. If lucky, with the help of DOPOD, they might still get it out on time.

We all know there is no hardware difference, it's the ROM which makes the Advantage being push back........

p.s. mackaby007, you should change the post title, it's making some people confuse.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
@P996

As nicely as you try to put it P996, what you say implies that either I, or whoever my source is are either foolish in speaking of these things or blatantly lying. It certainly is not gossip, as I have not heard this anywhere else. The fact that you nor anyone else that has bought it and yet hasn't experienced this problem, does not detract that some testers have come to be aware of this design/assembly flaw in the Athena that COULD cause the problems mentioned in my earlier thread and talks had taken place with T-Mobile UK with regards to returning the units (possible recalls for Germany & Netherlands). The fact that this will not be taking place can be attributed to certain facts; i.e.

1) Too much has already been invested in a product that is not guaranteed to go wrong.

2)The Athena is NOT faulty, it' implementation of the HDD unit is subject to vulnerability due to the way it was stripped down and mounted in the overall casing. NOT faulty.....hence NO Recall...Get IT P996??

3) Furthermore I sincerely doubt that you are truthful in your account of how many times or the extent to which you have knocked your brand new device about. :) Yes I'm implying that you are lying by exaggerating, to prove a point.

4) I'm still getting the Ameo despite the only vulnerability reported to me.

5) I was merely sharing pertinent information to anyone who like me wants to make well informed decisions about future expensive purchases...whether we like the negatives or not.

6) As stated before...(for those too lazy to read through all the Athena posts there aren't that many at present)...T-Mobile UK have not yet released the Ameo and the tester/testers in question are from the UK and extremely well qualified and known to me personally, so I trust what they tell me, but not without question.

7) The point wu raised about HTC's ROM damaging the HDD is a totally separate issue, but confirms that HTC are well aware of problems with their HDD, be it soft or hardware related.

Lastly it is very easy to look at the past posts of every member..therefore if you suspect a persons integrity, you should at least have the decency to check them out before implying that another member is a gossip-monger. Wanker!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
nicely say mackaby007, agree with you there.

Since i haven't tested the T-mobile Amoe, i don't know anything about it.

The HDD issue HTC Advantage is having is a software problem, to do with how their ROM handle the Micro Drive. So don't worry, when it comes out, it should have no problem, that's what they are working on now.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
Thanks Wu. I agree with you completely and I've changed the title of the thread as you advised. :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] P996:
1. I already have the Ameo, YOU don't, so YOUR experience is based on GOSSIP and talk on forums, MY experience is based on daily life with the Ameo. WORKING life.

2. you don't know who I am (same as I don't know who YOU are), so please refrain from accusing me of lying or exeggerating.

3. believe it or not, I have a pretty good insight regarding the HTC Athena (actually since it was "named" Athena ;)), so whatever you or others say, I have my own knowledge/experience (btw.: NOT knowledge/experience acquired on internet forums or from "friends" I know "well". ;)).

Like I said before: the HTC X7500, the Dopod U1000 and the T-Mobile Ameo are using 99% the same internal hardware, there are only minor differences in ROM programming and bundled software depending on markets. The base ROM code is the same on all three units.

IF HTC discovered a problem with the upcoming X7500 ROM, this issue will concern the Ameo/U1000 as well.

Regarding the HDD in the Ameo: like I said before, two weeks of daily working life with an Ameo SALES VERSION and the HDD still works fine. I have tons of phones over here, mainly for testing, so I don't treat them like raw eggs but like working tools which need to serve me well each and every day. AGAIN: REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE. ;)

We can talk about this all day long, it is like it is. ;)

The only things I don't like the Ameo are the following:

1. you need a headset to do video calls

2. the phone can't be used without headset or speaker phone

3. the screen resolution isn't OK for this size of the screen, the icons/fonts look way too big

4. my favourite travel tool, Mobimate Worldmate 2006 Professional, doesn't seem to work with the Ameo, it starts a rebooting cycle when you turn off the phone and turn it back on, a rebooting cycle you can't get out of unless you're performing a hard reset (Mobimate is working on a fix)

5. T-Mobile has chosen not to go for TT6 for navigation, instead they want to "sell" their online on-demand navigation solution Navigate. Bad decision in my opinion.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
Have you tested the HTC Advantage? How do you know it doesn't have problem? As i say, DOPOD U1000 and Ameo HDD issue isn't big enough to push back or recall the orders. But HTC Advantage is!! Their Rom is not stable so if not solve by end of this month, they will push back the release.

You only have T-mobile ameo, i have tested Advantage and own a DOPOD u1000. I can tell you this, HTC Advantage by the time i tested was no where as fast as Dopod. You will be surprise the difference between Roms, and how much different they can make.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
Let's cool it now peeps!!

Oh you poor deluded person. Read back over your post and if your anger has subsided a bit, you'll see what a jerk you sound like. In any event, you are 100% correct, I don't yet own an Athena so your experience of it is not to be dismissed.

What you fail to realize is that we are speaking of real life shortcomings of this device experienced by REAL testers and the potential problems we future or you current owners MAY experience, NOT will experience.

Being a former owner of the HTC Hermes (Vario II), I can report with all honesty that the only issue I ever had that I didn't resolve in my time of owning it was Video-playback. This was due to ROM imperfection.

Many others had screen alignment issues...I did not. Were they talking out of their rear ends? I think not. You shouldn't be too hasty to dismiss what others have experienced, just as I will no longer judge you harshly. Sorry for calling you a wanker, but you did behave like one IMHO.

No one here should dismiss anyones opinions or findings, just take it with a pinch of salt if your skeptical about what you've read.

As for me getting most of my information from forums and the Internet...again your 100% correct. How else did everyone else here learn of new technology before it hits the market. As for my 'well known friend', he is a smart, qualified and honest guy who has always steered me right with regards technology. He too wants to buy an Ameo, but is waiting for the Flash Memory based version.

He was merely looking out for my best interests by warning me and I in turn wanted to share that warning with everyone else.

Enough already, as you said, this could go on all day and I'm sure we all have better things to do. I know I do.

So shall we bury this pointless argument now? One thing is for sure, if we are all going to be fellow owners of ANY version of the HTC Athena, we would do well to get along from here on out...for progress sake.

Arguments are not what makes this site such a great place....teamwork is.

Have a great day and don't pay my earlier insults any mind. If I find that you have insulted me anywhere else whilst I've been posting this, I shall simply treat it as it is...crossed wires.

Live & let live.:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Ecraseur:
Mobimate Worldmate 2006 Professional is working on my Ameo
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] ghawi:
Do u have the latest crack for travelmate 2007?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Ecraseur:
travelmate 2007

I don't have.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] fallenczar:
someone wants to get his a** kicked off the forum
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
It takes some a little bit longer than others to learn the rules of respectable forums. ;)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
I knew I would have issues with this damn Micro Drive...I just knew it. Well at least no one else has complained of this as yet, so it be be an isolated incident, but according to Monaco's thread it isn't!!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
Dopod u1000 don't have this problem, is it possible is your device? You might want to do a exchange since this machine is going with you for quite a long time.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] TechPurist:
Do you think we could replace the drive for a 16gb CF card? Hope it isnt soldered.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
i think that is possible, haven't heard anyone done it yet. But i am very looking forward of it
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
Same here. Don't really like the idea of a sensitive mechanical drive...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Anton.Valleyman:
I've had my Ameo for nearly two weeks, having dropped it within 10 seconds of getting it out of the box. This was a good 30 - 40cm drop (I forgot it was held by magnets) without the leather case to a wooden table...no damage done hopefully. HDD works fine, and overall I'm impressed - though I agree that for the size of screen, the resolution looks a bit daft. Maybe HTC could implement some kind of ozVGA system themselves which would put my mind at rest a bit more and make full use of the large screen real estate.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] k_kirk:
Got my Dopod U1000 yesterday. Installed a bunch of applications on the Microdrive. All super, me happy. I drove to work today with the U1000 sitting on the passenger seat. Regular drive. No off road contest, no accidents etc. Upon reaching work I realized I lost the Microdrive.

I am hoping this was an isolated bad HDD incident. One for one exhange at the shop where I bought the beast and now I'm back to square one. Still I think I will install my apps to the Storage Card and leave the Microdrive for music & videos etc. Things I don't mind copying again. Any one else experienced similar failure which was the original subject of this thread (before fur started flying in the air!)?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
I have taken my DOPOD U1000 on road lots of time now, also on un-smooth road. Not a problem at all and Micro is still alive. btw, i have install all my app on storage card, i only use my micro drive for video and music.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] ahmadfarid:
Speaking of storage card..are you using MiniSD or SDHC ?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
at first i was transcend SDHC , but the card stop working after a few days, put it in my computer and don't boot at all, can't format as well. So send it back for replacement. Then i was using SanDisk Ultra II mini SD, it works well with no problem. 2 weel ago i received the replacement SDHC, copy everything from miniSD to SDHC and has been using it since then with no problem.

I did a benchmark on these 2 cards, and the SDHC gives me a higer score (not surprise), so personally i will suggest you guys get the SDHC, it's faster and drain less battery compare to miniSD. But make sure you buy it from reliable source, on ebay, there are lots of fake one.

p.s. I bought mine from MobyMemory
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] D_G:
wu and others,

an off question if you dont mind. how much does the dopd cost where you got it from?

how much do all the versions of the advantage cost?

thanks.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
i got mine for £600 , look here for more detail if you want http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=296525

i think no one can be sure of Advantage cost now, because it's not out yet, but will be availlable soon.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] sadara:
Hi all, this is the first post i have made in this forum

I also, I agree with some of the other points about the shortcommings of the U1000:

1: Resolution is to low for the screen size. Should be more like 800x600.

2: The case color is terrible, what is wrong with black, grey or metalic?

3: I can see the screen been damaged quite easily, should have a riged clear cover as standard

4: the keyboard should be bluetooth, and self powered

5: The package should include a base station for chargeing and sync

6: GPS mapping software should be included as standard, even if the maps arn't

7: The package should at least contain a cheap bluetooth headset, the wired headset is a POS

8: I can't understand why they didn't hold of the release until WM6 was available, I bought mine on the assumtion (possibly incorrect) that I would be able to upgrade it at a later date.

9: The battery life really does suck, I can't use it for a whole workday without having to charge it, I don't get they didn't put a bigger battery in it. I mean, come on, it's a big phone, adding 1mm mores not going to make a difference, my old O2 XDAIIs could go a week without recharging.

10: Why the F*#K would you put a hard drive in a mobile device unless you are absolutly F*#KI#G sure it's not going to fail on someone in the first week of use!

Not Happy Jan...

really not happy.

I aquired a dopod u1000 3 days ago, and now the microdrive has stopped working for no apparent reason. :mad:

The microdrive can no longer be detected by the device, even after a hard reset.

They way I see it through my admitidly jilted view is that at least the last two faults could have been fixed by using flash memory, and lets face it, 8gig of flash memory couldn't be that much more than a 8gig microdrive, considering you can buy 8gig USB flash drive for less than USD$80 retail.

I might be the first to try that mod of putting a 16Gig CF card in a Athena if I'm not successful with a warenty claim.

Anyone reading this who has a athena with a failed HDD, please let me know, because if this isn't just a isolated incedent, I would like to know, and I;m sure others would too.

ROM version 1.24.707.3

ROM date 02/01/07

radio version 1.32.00.10

prot version 32.65.7020.09H

ExtROM version 1.24.707.104

NOTE TO MOD: Please excuse the language, but I'm pretty sure you would do the same if the HDD in your brand new uninsured USD$1100 Athena failed.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] wu5262:
ok, firstly, i am sorry to hear that your MD is gone. But i must say i disagree with you on the suggestion you made. Of course for us we always wanted more in our device, but since i have a deep relation ship with HTC, i must say the choose they made is always there for a reason.

Some pople might not wanted to wait until the WM6 to comes out, not all people dislike the colour. Yes some of the suggestion you made is a good, and i am sure if you want to pay more money you can get them. Of course you can pay more to get the GPS software, BT headset. So you pay $1100 to get the Athena, do you want to pay more? Personally i think the Athena price is very reasonable. If you think it's missing some function then DON'T BUY IT! Maybe nothing is good enough for you, always wanted more......

Anyway, i think your case is individual incident only, and i am 90% sure they will do a replacement for you.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] k_kirk:
Sorry to hear about your problem. I had the same issue and now Unit #1000 is still ok on its day 2. Living with the fear is not fun though. Good luck with your replacement. Hope they do a one to one replacement for you.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Corenne:
Unfortunately, I had the same problem. I was really happy when I received my HTC X7500. It is a cool gadget and I love all the features. I never dropped or bumped my smartphone: anything that costs about EUR 1000,- deserves to be treated like a baby! And so I did. But while installing TomTom 6 (legal copy) on my microdrive, it suddenly gave an error after which my microdrive was inaccessible. The drive simply could not be detected by my smartphone anymore. I contacted HTC, but I still have no response, although it is 3 weeks later already. :(

I really hope to hear from HTC soon and hope they will acknowledge and solve the problem for all the users, because the X7500 is just too expensive to be tossed into the waste bin.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Olipro:
Yeah... they've replaced the drives in them now, the spinning ones were nothing short of a ****ing disaster :P
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Confucious:
How can you tell which type you have?

Mine is a UK T-Mob Ameo - spinning or not?

Cheers
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] LTxda:
Yes, how do you find out which drive you have?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] victoradjei:
Someone said to put it to your ear while playing some music on that drive. You may hear the spin. You may have to turn the volume to zero...lest somebody ask :confused: :confused: :confused: :cool:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] BigDede:
Well finally hes not the only one to have this problem ...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] Olipro:
listen and see if it's constantly running
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] mackaby007:
All I hear is the hissing of silenced speakers :)

Suppose I'm in the clear then!?!? Hope so anyway :( as I got one of the first UK Ameo's.