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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] slowz3r:
Currently downloading for me
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rgvsdigitalpimp:
What's the update for, though? VR?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fillyo:
VR and performance enhancements per Droid Life. I'm taking, Lollipop is coming soon, so even root is achieved, that would likely go away with Lollipop.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jmurray1818:
I just checked for updates on my Note 4 and its downloading something. Not sure yet what it is.

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If anyone cares here is the changelog from the Verizon website.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/dam/support/pdf/system_update/benefits-galaxy-note-4-12-9-14.pdf
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] c-los:
Just installed update. Wifi connection has improved.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fillyo:
I had no phone icon after the update reboot. Rebooted again and it came back. I use LTE exclusively so can't comment on wifi.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] J3ff:
it's 4.4.4 not 5
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] slowz3r:
Shame no advanced calling
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] crash613:
It already has 444. I'm going to try to avoid this as long as possible.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] danielnorkin:
Just installed. No significant difference.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stronggeek:
Recent apps displays quicker for me!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] danielnorkin:
Maybe because it restarted your phone? Would be great if it really did improve response time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] patt2k:
no volte someone tell me why?

LG g3 just got it.

Just trying to understand samsung lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oka1:
From the Moderator

To all there is an existing thread regarding this update Found here : http://xdaforums.com/note-4-verizon/general/firmware-update-note-4-due-week-t2960443

Therefore .........THIS THREAD IS CLOSED..........
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stronggeek:
Possibly....but

I thought maybe it was the placebo effect, but I've been running it for a over 3 hours since reboot and there's still much less lag than before the update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xxxtncxxx:
It makes me giggle every time one of these update threads come out how people say wifi/cell signals better, this and that is better blablabla. As far as signals go unless the software running the hardware have serious flaws in it you are not going to see a difference at all. As far as signal strength goes there are so many variable that come into play was before you get anywhere near the software running the radio. Even when it comes to phone applications there is so many variable on how things run from phone to phone settings, environment, and the human using the phone being the major ones. Usually the only time you can really notice performance issues (at lease on a minor release) is if there is a serious that has been fixed or if a new issue has come up. Think the best we can hope for with this release is finding a root exploit. We have been on the previous SW version for a while now and not being able to root it so anything new is a step in the right direction to me. As far as not taking the update to each there own but in my eyes we don't have root so whats the worse that can happen.

Here is the version info on the new update:

[IMG="Version Info"]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3057760&stc=1&d=1418245003[/IMG]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] le0.br4zuc4:
I will not update my phone. I will keep on this version hoping for root. Nothing good for me on this update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] MatroxD:
Bah.. Lol, I'm not even worried about root and whether or not it comes(any more).. I am just enjoying the stock device for the first time in years! This one, I installed the update.. If root comes, and I can't use it because I took the update: "oh well"... Lol..

From s-pen monster Note4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] c-los:
It makes me giggle when people try to make themselves feel better or superior by being condescending to a helpful poster by posting unhelpful and useless information. The wifi performance did improve. I measured it. Also, it's in the change log.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/dam/support/pdf/system_update/benefits-galaxy-note-4-12-9-14.pdf?null
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Yea, I want root to. But tossed the coin and decided with the time that's expired thus far with no root, I am currently installing this update so to get hopefully the best experience out of my Note 4 as it is w/o root. Guess it's the chance you take... :confused::p
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] patt2k:
good luck on getting root :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Android_Fr3ak:
+1
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] nabbed:
Let me guess, you must be coming from a previous gen device to Note 4, am I right?

A stock Note 4 is pretty laggy in some situations, especially when accessing storage, like loading new apps into ram or doing background storage access during updates.

I came from an HTC One M8 because I wanted the latest and greatest - now that's a fast phone, even though it has slower specs.

I'm hoping that when we get root someone will make a tweaked version of the stock rom to eliminate most of the lag.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Meh, root is overrated on a phone this good. 90% of the bloatware can be disabled by a noob in the stock app manager... Install Nova or some other launcher to get the customization that you want, and you don't have to worry about bricking it, warranty claims or getting future OTA's...

Root used to be a must-have for a lot of phones where the manufacturer didn't know what they were doing on the software end. I have had phones where root and a ROM made it work the way it should have out of the box...

But the phone makers are finally getting the hang of things... Today's phones are a vast improvement over the old, and so unless you have some very specific and niche need for root, it just doesn't matter any more for most folks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] emtownsend:
This update tweaked my buggy bluetooth a bit; for the better as it looks.

Before, Google Play Music would not update on-screen info to my car stereo, but now it does. So now, I can have my device turned off and skip songs and see the correct info on the stereo along with the song time.

Slacker radio has always worked well, so no change there. Just thought I'd share that Google Play Music is working better now.....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] graydiggy:
Looks like it doesn't have any new patches for root, so an exploit for the old version will work for this.

The SW REV still shows A1 as well as the others. No efuse has been tripped to lock.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] MatroxD:
Sure did.. I have had notes since they came out. So I'm on my 4th iteration. I have no desire to go to another device, as this one "does" what no one else can do. And, lol, I have rooted and romd each one, so I know for "my" purposes. For my purposes and what I do at work and at home, it's fine. I learned something on my 3 with roms that I really didn't care for: the perpetual begging for updated roms.. Lol.. It's nothing against the developers at all, but that just isn't for me. I have other things to do.

With this device, I feel no need and honestly,i don't have the time. Yes,I wouldn't mind being able to uninstall some apps, but even then, I have been like "meh, whatever..I'm kinda over it".. Lol..

This one just works for me. And it's a nice looking device too. I'm not putting massive batteries on it, making it look like a science fair project either. A couple nice cases, maybe a 128gb card, and I'm good..

It helps me with work immensely(primary), I can watch Netflix with my Chromecast, get on tapatalk and flipboard, I can shop and share with my lady, take nice pictures and video, play a couple games "when I have time", multitask like crazy, yada, yada.. And oh, my battery life is fantastic! It's fine for me! Anyone else, that's their call.. But it's fine and "dandy" with me.. I don't do the latest and greatest to keep up with the Jones and mine is used for what it was designed to be used for..

From s-pen monster Note4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
So it seems safe to take this update. I still have not been notified.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
You can not disabe 90% of the bloatware, the only way to get rid of most of it is with a rooted device. I've removed about 85 useless apps so far and only 44 of those could be disabled through the app manager. I had a retail device for about 4 weeks and could not deal with not having root so I bought a DE. No more increasing call ringer; no more BT pop-up when connecting; disabled loud volume warning; Adaway; YouTube Adaway; Viper4Android; Xposed Modules (I'm using 9 of them); Knox removed, plus a lot more. 2¢.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Ummm... you can disable the bulk of the bloat.

And let's be honest, once you disable all that can be disabled with the stock app manager, what's really left? A couple things that run in the background that you can't see, that don't take up hardly any space, and you won't see a difference by disabling them anyway?

Dude, you are being OCD about this... LOL

You have a phone with lots of storage, with another 128GB available via MicroSD. Saving 50MB off the main storage is nothing. The stuff doesn't slow the phone down, it doesn't get in the way, etc...

Now, if you need all those other modules and crap, sure, root makes sense. But most people are not that anal about a PHONE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
It's not being anal, it's having it setup the way I want it, not the way you want it. These forums are filled with people who do the same thing if not more.. As I said, I removed an additional 41 apps that could not be disabled through the app manager. To each their own.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Which apps?

My point is that phones are getting better, and the phone makes are getting better with their stock ROM's...

My Droid X or the TBolt, you couldn't get it to run properly or not spontaneously reboot without going to a custom ROM. Some early phones skimped on RAM, so debloating did make a real difference for available RAM and freeing up storage...

But with today's processing power, the high amount of RAM and tons of storage, it is less of an issue. Yeah, there are some dumb apps that you don't need running, so you disable them. It has been shown many times that having tons of free RAM doesn't make the phone faster, in fact there are times when it makes the phone slower, because something it needs for something isn't there and it has to go and load it into memory and that takes more time than if it had just been sitting there idle and waiting in the first place...

The law of diminishing returns is all that I am referring to. The need for root, isn't what it used to be. For some people the WANT may be, but it isn't needed nearly as much as it was in years past... So for a lot of us, root is just sort of a bonus if you can get it...

I guess that if you want a stripped down AOSP experience, then any retail phone is not the answer. Get a Nexus and call it a day?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
I see your point but I prefer a rooted device over a stock device just for the extra options it gives me. I'd be all over the Nexus 6 if it had a Micro SDCard slot and removable battery. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
Educate me.

What extra options? I get the ad blocker stuff, although I just ignore the ads and there are several apps available that don't require root...

What other stuff am I missing out on?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
I listed some stuff in my earlier reply but there is definitely more than what I listed. The Xposed Modules are one the things I like most, Wanam lets you do a lot of customization, along with Titanium Backup and the add removers. I've tried a few non-root ad blockers on my retail N4 and they didn't block all of the ads, Adaway removes everything. I've had a rooted device since the OG Droid days and when I had my retail N4 I couldn't believe the amount of ads everywhere, it's crazy.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
I will check some of the stuff out. Right now, I have it pretty well debloated, running Nova Prime with the Lollipop theme... Scoring 48,300 or so in Antutu...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
I'm running Nova Prime as well and love it. Thanks for keeping our discussion civilized.:good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
No worries. :)

The only thing that I don't like about Nova is that the some of the stock widgets don't work with it... like the calendar ones... other than that it rocks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Forgetfull:
Back on to the update-

Anyone having issues with the full Foxfi app on the the OTA?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jmacdonald19:
I was having that problem with Google Play Music too. Need to check and see if mine fixed as well. Was very annoying.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
The #1 reason I want root is to be able to enable the on-screen keys. They're so much faster and more responsive than the capacitive buttons!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
And they also take up screen real estate and you still have the capacitive ones anyway...

Again, I submit that if you require on screen buttons, then you bought the wrong phone... hehe

I don't see any lag on mine, but then again, there isn't anything that I would ever do on a phone that would be affected by a few nanoseconds either way, so....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] patt2k:
Google Play Store -> type Handy Soft Keys.

it's not a bad replacement until we see root in 2015 :D or 2016.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
I'm not so concerned about real estate with a 5.7" screen. I'd rather have the phone function the way I'd like.

I don't "require" OSKs, if I did I wouldn't have purchased the phone. But, they are nice to have and once I can root, I will enable them first thing.

I used the OSKs on the N2, and N3 and generally felt the user experience was much better. It's not really about the time, its about reliability. After using iPhones & HTC, both of which are very fast, fluid, and reliable, the N4 just feels a little clunky and laggy at times. It's not terrible which is why its my daily driver, but it's certainly not up to par with the aforementioned devices.

I don't use root for much else, mainly the buttons (for a phone not equipped with them stock), Titanium Backup (backup & freezing/removing apps), enabling SD write access for third party apps, and underclocking the kernel. If I could do these things on my N4, I'd keep it. But, if we dont have root by the time the HTC One M9 is released, I'll just move on. The only reason I'm keeping it over my M8 is the camera, which I expect to be significantly improved on the M9.

Out of curiosity, what was your previous phone?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
Awww, that's one that I forgot. LMT on screen keys are not there until you hit a trigger point so they do not take up any extra screen space. My trigger point is just above the home button, once you let go or hit one of the 4 buttons they go away.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] SquireSCA:
I can understand that we have real estate to spare, but I guess that I don't understand the benefit of having softkey that are right above the keys already there... how do having duplicate keys help?

Other phones I have had, not counting Apple products or early Windows phones and PDA's...

DroidX

HTC Rezound

Droid RazrHD

LG G2

Galaxy S5

Droid Turbo

My fiance had some of those, plus a TBolt, a GS4, etc...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Well as noted I think in this thread yesterday, I took this update. Even rebooted to bootloader menu and did a cache wipe afterwards to be safe.

Every since, my battery has gone from fair/good to very mediocre/poor. Had to put on charger twice already. No new apps installed.

Anyone else having their battery life diminish tremendously that took this update? :confused:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
On the note 3, people wondered the same thing; I get it. For me, its quite simple really, the OSKs are faster and more consistent than the hardware keys. Plain and simple. With the OSKs enabled, I absolutely never use the hardware keys, and the duplication doesn't bother me.

Nope, my battery life seems unchanged.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] patt2k:
You can move it around ;) i put mine on top.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
I know, I tried it in a lot of different places and liked it here best.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JayKaebocker:
I am having the same issue with my battery, it appears that android system is accounting for about 23% of my usage. I also notice a lag that was not present before.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Android_Fr3ak:
I downloaded and have no issues. Recent apps is a smidge faster and overall seems to be a fraction faster. Nothing too crazy. Battery is at 78% with 20 hours of not charging. That is with moderate use. My advise would be to stop trying to look for something wrong after a new update and just use it. If it bothers you that much flash back. But I'm telling you there is nothing wrong with the update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] karlleuang85:
succeeful ?

Official update or not?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Dale2x2:
apex

Try apex it's very similar but widgets work
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] kgeier82:
Pretty good battery stats there. Mine is maybe half that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Android_Fr3ak:
Not sure if this helps but I make sure I close all my apps before every lock. Thats just me though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] commandocon:
I generally do also, and have great battery life
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] aestil:
I'm using the Verizon Note 4 on T-Mobile. Will i get this update OTA or should i figure out how to flash it?

I've noticed some Wi-Fi issues and that is one of the things this update supposedly improves.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] parrupio:
verizon update

I updated this morning, after 10 hrs of moderate use (calls, text, some games and pics) its working good, I noticed a little bit faster, battery still working as usual.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GenTsoChkn:
I've not once been in a situation where I worried about my battery until after updating. I'm not happy with whatever insignificant speed I gained for this poor battery.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
I don't believe the stock touchwiz widgets work correctly with any 3rd party launcher. That's why I keep using stock. Some of the widgets kinda work, but not all of them. The ones that do aren't really the same as what you get on touchwiz.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Dale2x2:
honestly

I had the same problem with note 2 but now apex works with all touchwiz widgets. Give it a try it's free. I wouldn't have wasted your time to b.s. i finally bought the pro version afterwards.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Morphinity:
Is FoxFi broken in this update?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] timmyd463229:
How can I make the update pop up go away without installing the update?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Drashnar:
+1 I'd really like to know this as well.

EDIT: I found a way to disable apps (in this case the OTA stuff) after actually reading through the sticky at the top of the forums. It works great. I had adb loaded on my PC already, so I only needed the bat files. Notification is gone, and KNOX gets frozen as well. :) http://xdaforums.com/note-4-verizon/general/disable-knox-ota-root-t2972263
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Forgetfull:
Mine works fine. Full version.

general network speeds sucked though. Don't know if it's updated related.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Haven't had the lag you mention but battery sure took a dive for the worse. I'm currently testing with the disabling of Knox and block apps thread/suggestions per: http://xdaforums.com/note-4-verizon/general/disable-knox-ota-root-t2972263
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] br53ett:
I have noticed a couple of issues after the update, phone is running warmer that usual, battery seems to be draining quicker and I get a "page cannot be displayed" but only for a second just after I hit go when searching the web. Anyone else seen these issues.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ACiDxCHRiST:
I got that Page cannot be displayed for half a second before NJ5 update, so that certainly isn't something related to the update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
I have vrzn note 4 and use greenify "paid".

After OTA I do feel things are punchier, smoother and haven't yet noticed any battery issues or heat.

Memory usage "ram" at any given time is more (approx 250 mb more free)

Internet seems faster regardless of app used.

I also think interacting with my class 10 128gb SD card seems faster also. (haven't confirmed with definitive test, just my subjective opinion)

All in all its a winner.

I installed ota, then cleared cache as usual and wiped partition cache... But even before I did that the speed seemed better... Maybe it's placebo.... But it's definitely not worse.

My kernel date did switch.

Here is before and after. O
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Gala...ge-to-skip-Android-5.0.0-rumors-claim_id63901

Comments?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Given how buggy 5.0 has been this is good news. We will get a polished version rather than a bug ridden one.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bythe:
Just updated mine. Battery is a little better, other than that, everything is the same. But, doesn't matter if I turn off fast charging, it still fast charge lol. I don't need fast charging all the time, usually have 2 batteries. It does kinda annoy me that fast charging happens no matter what. I need another charger. Oh stock alarm set up is a little different.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pbman1953:
Even before the update my battery has been stellar. I noticed at 8 Pm I was at 66%. On my last phone, S4, I'd have to charge it during the day to get anywhere close to that. A couple posts back someone mentioned Greenify. It works but you end up with a talking calculator. There's no work around for that yet and I've called Samsung support and gone to a mall Samsung kiosk.

For all you owners with bad battery performance I'd-

Turn off any app that you don't use, that is able to be turned off. On a lot of them , the turn off button is grayed out.

Check your app running list- System Settings/Applications/ App Manager. / Running

Since the S4, the app close out button has changed from holding the home button to the menu button, left of the home button

Re-start at least once a day. A battery pull once or twice a week

I could only imagine how this phone would be rooted. But for me , as a far as the DE version, no phone is worth $700.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
You pay whether you buy outright or go contract.... Those who buy or do installment edge pmts get 25.00 back every month off their bill.

(25 X 24 months = 600 bucks + 30 less for no activation fee = 630) , phone only cost 70 bucks in 2 years.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ACiDxCHRiST:
REALLY? You paid $300 for the phone plus $25 more a month on your bill. $25 x 24 Months = $600. $600 plus the $300 you paid for the phone equals $900 PLUS TAX = $975 that you paid for your phone.

I paid $758.

When are the masses gonna learn the basic economics of *financing* and stop spewing ignorance?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
Don't forget 30 more for activation charge... LOL! Over 1k for a phone