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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
I think I am starting to agree with you Mr.Kj. However, I do want to hear what nitro says about starting with a fresh cycle. I am hoping that is the problem! Just need Nitro's instructions on when to restart the cycle and either to do it before or after flashing ROM.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Oh! I thought by Fresh Cycle meant after flashing, let it die and fully charge and go, but I might be wrong :) another possible option :)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
Who knows, I'm waiting for nitro to respond because his battery is obviously doing good and Im sure he knows exactly what to do!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Silkmeister1:
One other point to take note is since I am using safestrap and our stock rom is in essence still there but not being used is it possible the phone doesn't utilize the battery the same way it did on stock because both roms exist at the same time?

I was taught after a fresh wipe and flash to recalibrate the battery so that it not only reads correctly but is not being 'confused' by different battery.stats

Forgive me if im being naive, but isn't the whole point of safestrap to preserve our stock rom so that if sh|t hits the fan we are essentially saved from a perma brick?

Im sure the must be something that we are forgetting to address.

Best,

Silkmeister1
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Oh but I am running Eclipse on Stock Slot

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From what I know the main reason ( I might be totally wrong, but at least for me ) why we have safestrap is because we don't have an unlocked Boot loader, rather than the main purpose of preserving stock if anything goes wrong (at least that is why I use it)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
You guys are essentially both right. Safe strap in a sense can help inexperienced people safely flash Roms and stuff. However, if you are experienced and feel confident enough, then I guess flashing on stock is like flashing a new ROM in general.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] elliwigy:
the main point of safestrap is to give us a custom recovery to flash roms without touching the BL.

With that being said, rom slots are just a plus and since hashcode never updated it to its full potential for our device, using rom slots sometimes has issues so stock rom is preferred.

With that being said, I've had great battery on Eclipse and love it! I got tired of the stock Twiz!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
If you dont mind me asking

1. How long have you been on the rom for?

2. Did you do a battery calibration/reset?

3. Is xposed installed and being used?

Trying to diagnose the problems here along with others
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] elliwigy:
Im still on first version of eclipse since it came out.. i always do a clean install and never wipe battery stats or calibrate battery..

to be honest, ive read a lot of places that say calibrating battery is a placebo effect. I also believe it to be a placebo effect since battery to me was always dependant on the rom itself and apks on the rom..

and i never really use exposed so i do not have it on this rom at all or any other rom at that that ive used.

This rom doesnt give me the best battery ever but i can go a whole day with moderate to high screen on time and it sleeps like a baby

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only difference maybe is i always extremely debloat my rom and use greenify for everything except messaging and phone.. i just open apks to check them such as fb or twitter or xda etc
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
I see..... From what I see so far the best bet would probably be that the firmware I flashed (the one from Optimal ROM) didn't suit this ROM or is Less compatible. I am wondering if Nitro can Link the Firmware he used. To be honest I was more on the heavy end of usage for today with a charge from before I went to bed to this morning (about 8 hours) and got less than a day's worth of usage, granted half the time was due to a game I was constantly playing, but nevertheless. I am just wondering if it isn't too much work if Nitro can edit the firmware or kernel so that it might bring the full potential of the battery. I am in NO WAY saying Nitro has done incomplete or bad work ( I have been sincerely waiting for AOSP on the S5), but merely just a suggestion if possible.

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Also if possible Nitro could you provide us with the exact installation method you used (Like some of us here did full wipe, install, wipe data/cache, flash firmware, where as I just did full wipe, install, flash firmware). Also I used a USB 2.0, because I didn't have the factory charger handy, when I flashed the firmware, I doubt it, but could that have an impact on battery?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] jagrave:
How long have you been running this? Fwiw, when I was on the last version my battery was bad first two days then it got real good, or should I say much better.

Also, he can't edit the Firmware or kernel, cause then they would custom and on retail version we can't flash custom kernels. If you're on dev edition then he could I think.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Right, I forgot that Safestrap couldn't do kernels ( I have the retail one).....For me though I ran this for about a little more than a day? Hmm But I would still like to use the firmware file Nitro used, want to compare it :D
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
After those first 2 days, do you remeber doing something with your phone that would have helped the battery i guess? Trying to think of ideas on how to pinpoint the problem...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] jagrave:
I don't how much it actually helped or exactly when in those first two days I did it, I know it was a little after flashing it, but I went into wifi setting and turned off the always scanning option. I really can't remember if that had a big impact our not, I just didn't like looking at my stats and seeing wifi on the whole time even though I had it off via the toggle.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] nitroglycerine33:
I was on the latest OTA before I even touched my S5. If you are not running NI2 prior to flashing that is most likely your problem.

NI2 firmware, radio, etc..
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
Could you walk up through anything you did that would have helped your battery. Ex. Recalibration after rom install, uninstalled xposed, etc. Thanks nitro!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
I've noticed from past ROMs (haven't used with this one) Xposed is a battery drain.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
I see very interesting! I guess I will try going back to stock and rerooting this and then installing the ROM and report back results! Could you link the firmware though? Or did you not flash the firmware via ODIN because you rooted from the OTA and went that way
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Yeah he mentioned when he got the phone it was already on firmware, you can find it on the General forums section of the S5. Beansy also just posted every firmware available for this phone on this forum as well.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Oh so just making sure before I proceed tomorrow. If you are on NI2 stock then root and all that good stuff You can disregard flashing the NI2 Firmware?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Yes, if you are already on NI2 firmware you don't need to Odin in
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Sorry one more quick question, if i go back to NHA to grab the OTA, can I go to NHA If i am on NI2 right now? What I mean is can I downgrade?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] jagrave:
I think Dennis is saying if you're already on ROOTED NI2 then you don't need to Odin NI2 firmware after flash. And yes, you can downgrade to any firmware with Odin. That's how you root the later firnwares: downgrade to ncg, root, then upgrade again via Odin.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Franzie3:
Hey guys, im getting play store errors when trying to download. Anyone else? Clean flash coming from 1.0.2

Meh...just reflashed clean again, came back ok.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] torr310:
This ROM looks promising! Really appreciate your effort and contribution!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Hey Franzie, I was just wondering if I could ask you a few questions, because you had a really awesome battery life:

When you first flashed this rom did you come from Stock rooted, or another rom (ex: OptimalROM)?

Was your error something like -24 from the Google Play Store?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
So when I Odined back to NI2 stock re rooted reinstallled etc. The battery drainage seems to decrease slightly less; however battery life is still weaker than Optimal in my perspective. So if you guys want to slightly improve the battery life go back to NI2 Stock and reroot. However, I ran into a couple problems. One of the checkbook apps I use got totally erased even though I used Titanium Backup and usually never goes away even using Odin or Safestrap Wipe never touched this, but now it did for some weird reason.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] elliwigy:
well, sounds like youre better off on optimal lol. theres lots including myself with 0 battery issues youve experienced. It seems whatever you try you come back n say how optimal is better battery lol just sayin
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Optimal does have better battery; however, it does not have AOSP. In no way, am I trying to bag on this developer or say anything negative about him, I am just wondering, even after I remade my phone stock rooted and went from there, I still don't get the battery life you guys got! No this ROM overall is way better AOSP with Good Battery>AOSP>Stock with Good Battery or TouchWiz with good Battery. I am just wanting the AOSP with Good Battery part. I am not being ungrateful, I really enjoy this ROM, just want it to work as well on my end as it is going well with your end.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] nitroglycerine33:
Are you running the proper firmware and kernel before flashing Eclipse? Have you been a day or two after you got all your apps reinstalled? Do you use xposed?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
I think I am running the proper firmware. I ODINed back to NI2 Stock, Rooted, safestraped, wiped, installed, so I should be on the proper firmware and kernel. I just Odined back to NI2 Stock, and did what I mentioned in the previous sentence today, so two days have not gone by yet, and nope on the xposed, I do NOT use xposed
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] jagrave:
Just give it a full day or two. Like I told you last night mine wasn't that good at first and then once everything settled it got way better. :)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
Sounds good :D
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] elliwigy:
Thats exactly my point.. Optimal DOES NOT have the best battery (not for me anyways.) You make broad statements as if its the best battery for everyone when its not and in reality each rom reacts differently to each user and their device therefore theres always mixed results.. even if you do everything ive done doesnt mean youll get the same battery life.. That is all I'm trying to say.. you might be trying for somethibg you and your device isnt capable of on this rom
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
On another note, does anyone else's playstore crash suddenly quite a bit? Mine doesn't do it as much with 1.0.3 but it still does it. I don't know if nitro knows about it or its just me
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] bcrawford:
There's no need to get snarky about it. I've been following this thread and I personally don't think that [MENTION=6281102]Mr.KJ[/MENTION] has made any posts that warrant this kind of reaction. Generally, when people speak about something, they are referring to their own personal experiences. There's no need to take any of what he has said as an absolute statement.

This, however, is a very good point. Not all devices are created equal and the ways in which they are used differ from user to user. As a result for some users, trying to get this rom to work with a reasonable battery life has ended in hours upon hours of trial and error whereas others have had no problems.

I guess my main point is let's use this thread for its originally intended purpose, to help others with the use of this rom.

Additionally, so as not to add a post with no value, I am currently trying to get this rom working with a reasonable battery life (in my personal experience) by starting completely from scratch. I used odin to go back to NCG and have taken all the OTAs up to NI2. I then did a complete wipe of the stock slot, flashed 1.0.3, and then performed a factory reset as soon as I booted it up. I did see a couple fc's on the systemui during both boots. I will use today to see if I can get any better battery life out of this rom. If not, I guess I'll have to chalk it up to device differences, but I hope not. I really prefer the AOSP feel and I really appreciate all the work that [MENTION=3247702]nitroglycerine33[/MENTION] has put into this rom.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] elliwigy:
it wasnt meant to be a "snarky" comment. I was just saying he has multiple posts on battery for this rom as well as multiple users have given their own advice/suggestions to try and help his battery on this rom improve but each time he comes back and says optimal is better battery which as you stated is his own experience/opinion and i just wanted to reiterate that it is his own experience and in my case this rom has just as good if not better battery than optimal on my device.

Again, no pun intended was just trying to point out that optimal is better for him but not necessarily for others such as myself because his statement was broad in saying optimal IS better for battery which rookies or others might take it literally word for word.

I suppose my comment was a bit snarky in its wording but not what I meant to portray lol. i just think hes tried everything to match others battery on this rom and its not working for him so continuous posts about optimal being better battery gets old.

On a side note, have you checked your battery Mr.Kj? Batteries do lose their juice as time goes and if anything you do differently than others with great battery maybe that killed some cells quicker? I know i do not wipe/calibrate battery at all and have same battery since day one.. ive heard some long time issues occurring for ppl who calibrate daily, flash roms constantly, dont properly drain/charge battery etc so its hard to say whats placebo or not
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] 22jk:
Amazing battery life!

Just putting this out there buy ive been getting amazing battery life with this rom. 8hr screen on time with 16hr total on time. I have not updated to 1.0.3 yet as I have no issues with the dialer on 1.0.2 so I find its not worth the effort to do so much hassle for a minor update.

Here is my most recent cycle where I used my phone less but had a higher stand by.

http://imgur.com/BmrJxAd

http://imgur.com/u03NtUs
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] bcrawford:
I can understand where you're coming from [MENTION=3812611]elliwigy[/MENTION] and the all help you and others have provided is definitely greatly appreciated. I guess it's just a little frustrating to see other users with 2+ hours of screen time and only a 6% reduction in battery and being unable to replicate it.

On another note, is there a specific reason why all of the read notifications aloud settings are set to on with this rom, even after a factory reset? And why is so unintuitive to disable these settings (i.e., enabling hands free before being able to modify the settings)?

Also, there seems to be settings within the tab view of the settings menu that are not available within the list view, such as the multi window setting. Again, I don't quite understand the reasoning with this.

On the plus side, I am seeing an improvement in the battery life so far. I've got about 3 hours from 95% (I did the backup and flashing from a full charge, launched Eclipse and booted to 95%) and 1 hour of screen time and I'm at 86%, so it's looking much better than before. I also forgot to mention in my previous post that I used odin to flash the NI2 firmware after flashing Eclipse from safestrap.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Maphack:
I odin'd NK2 just in case anyone was considering doing that and haven't had any problems yet (been about a day). I'm on the newest Eclipse

Edit: The modem only, that is.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] eragon5779:
Anyone having issues with texting? I cannot send any texts. I can receive, but it refuses to send my messages. Had no issues on Alliance. Did I have a bad flash? It also randomly freezes and crashes.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
Def retry to flash it, never had any of those problems. This is a very very nice rom!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] nitroglycerine33:
Were you running the correct firmware and kernel before flashing?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] eragon5779:
Nevermind. Suddenly started working again. Deleted a large file off of my internal storage (5 gb file) and it started working. No idea if that was it, but its working again.

EDIT: I lied. It starts having issues again after a reboot. I was on correct firmware and followed the instructions. I've wiped and reflashed a few times, wiped cache/dalvik cache to no avail. It seems to fix itself after a while, but until it does, it is really laggy and barely works.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Mr.KJ:
[MENTION=3812611]elliwigy[/MENTION], I never mentioned that OptimalROM was the best ROM for everyone. I never said OptimalROM was the ROM with the best Battery for everyone. I simply meant (sorry if it did not come out in this way), that I had better battery life (on my end NOT EVERYONE) with OptimalROM than this ROM. That being said, I never said OptimalROM was any better than this ROM, I actually said this ROM was better, because it had AOSP. I never made Broad statements saying that it was the best battery for everyone and didn't mean to imply that. I do notice that every ROM does indeed act differently to each user and their device, so I understand that there are mixed results. However, me and several other users are just trying to troubleshoot that maybe there is something that could give out the mixed results other than each ROM reacting differently. There is no point in double checking if another cause, or something else could be making my battery drain faster than yours or the other users who are running this ROM. bcrawford was on point with what I meant to say, I didn't want to (sorry if I did) make broad statements saying OptimalROM is better whatsoever. I was actually thinking people would take it as how bcrawford took it "they are referring to their personal experiences." I also believe each time is quite an exaggeration, and even so if that were true, I have taken all the suggestions into action(except waiting 2 days I overlooked that by mistake) and brought back results in my experience. Again I believe that most people or hope most people take it as that in my experience this is what I encountered and not as a generalization. Rather I think you make the assumption that Optimal is better for me. In a recent post, I showed that I rather preferred this ROM over Optimal due to the AOSP. I am sorry if me mentioning battery life on Optimal has gotten old, but I was hoping maybe some other person (probably with more experience than with ROMS than I do) knew why for me or for certain devices Optimal had better battery life. My results with the battery life after waiting one day is from full charge, if I use about a little over an hour and not more on this device I usually end up with 70% battery at the end of my day. Which does not match how other users results ( I get that different devices have different results), but will wait a little longer to see if it improves. I never wiped battery stats or calibrated it, and still have the same battery. bcrawford has literally taken the words out of my mouth, I see where your coming from and you and other help is greatly appreciated, but I wish to get the same results you and other people are getting. I am not sure if you are realizing it elliwigy, but the way you comment or respond back is quite bold and a little offending, I was just a user seeking help to get the amazing battery life others are getting, but you seem to rather get agitated at me comparing this ROM to another ROM, as if I am saying something horrible and horrendous about this ROM, when it is quite the contrary.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Could be bad download, nobody else is having the issues you are.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] elliwigy:
Have you posted screens of better battery stats so ppl can see whats draining your battery?

I assume now youre letting it settle in 2+ days before testing/saying it has bad battery?

Have you tried greenify or any other battery save apps?

What are you doing differently if anything than when you were on Optimal?

I can ask questions all day to try and help you...

I wasnt trying to be rude but I feel it comes a point where this should be in its q n a thread or in a battery thread.. thats all im saying.. not trying to be rude..

to me it clearly isnt the rom youre on, the way you flashed it etc so it must be an apk or your usage or something thats causing it to drain more than normal. betterbatterystats is awesome and will tell you what is eatin your battery at all phone states and in turn thatll tell you what to fix (if its even the rom)

i used my phone extensively (2hrs screen on) and off charger overnight so about 13hrs off charger and am down to ~80% so your drain isnt normal for any rom let alone this one imo
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] bcrawford:
I was under the impression that the modems operate independently of the firmware, and that it's always possible to run any modem alongside any firmware or rom. See the last line in this post. Is this not true?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] damagi123:
Always a shame when a hardworking dev's thread turns into pages and pages of bickering. If you think another rom is better just use that rom. More power to ya. I really appreciate all the hard work here. This is shaping up soooo nicely. :cowboy::highfive:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Only bummer to the new attractive dialer is there's no call record button:/

Sent from my S5 using your mom
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
I have call record.....
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Are you on version 1.03? Last I knew you were on 1.02

Sent from my S5 using your mom
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
I'm on 1.0.3
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Hmm I was on test build, maybe it was added after? But I'm not seeing it, screen it for me

Sent from my S5 using your mom
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
[IMG="Call Recording"]http://i61.tinypic.com/rbz4nd.jpg[/IMG]
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
What font are you using? Thats nice
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] Dennisg34:
Yep must be my test build, I'll have to flash one he posted after. Damnit

Sent from my S5 using your mom
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
Font is called Sony sketch
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
Where did you download it from?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 Android Development] :
App called iFont