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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Bicknasty:
The Knox fuse exists to let the software suite know when the integrity of the device has been compromised. This can happen when attempting to flash custom firmware, or presumably by finding and using a root method where Knox can detect system changes at boot. I would guess that Knox would be tripped if we found a way to disable write protection, since the existing temp roots don't persist through reboot, the system partition verification is probably rather aggressive. Beyond trying to flash custom firmware or managing to break write protection, Knox probably won't be tripped by much else.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidHelp101:
Im getting ready to throw this note 4 in the garbage, any ideas on tripping knox, let me know, i will happily test.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nemopsp:
Why is everyone freaking out... enjoy the temp root for what we have for now! It works pretty good! Atleast I'm enjoying my xposed modules :) better then nothing

I'm sure the developers will find something in time... just as how we got this far.

And my only issue with tripping knox is not being able to get OTA updates, this is still a new phone has many updates to come! In a few months we will have 5.1.1

I don't care if I trip knox, but I'd like to keep it at 0x0 for the time being until this phone gets alittle older

But I'm staying on 4.4.4 where I'm comfortable for now

I hope the developers don't give up :) an I wish them best of luck.

If there's is a will, there's is a way!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] liquidaluminum:
Sorry in advance for being rude, but you seriously need to check yourself. If you don't have anything to contribute, then find the door.

There IS a bounty for root even if it trips KNOX, it's just higher if it remains untripped. As far as these guys just holding out and "waiting for the pot", let me clue you into something. The devs working on this stuff, they're the same devs that have done it for free for years now. Most of the guys have professional jobs and simply want root as bad as we do. The difference between them and most of us is that they have the knowledge to reverse engineer this stuff and figure it out. The fact that there is now a bounty in place is just a bonus for their hard work.

Also, no one has actually donated any money yet. That figure you see reflecting the amount of money the bounty has reached is a best case scenario IF everyone who said they would contribute the to the bounty actually pays up.

Root will be distributed for free, so cool your jets, keep your condescending comments to yourself, and wait for your free root that you in no way contributed in releasing to be established and distributed. If it were up to me, you'd be making a public apology to every single dev you slammed with your little comments if you wanted to keep posting here.

Yes, I'm mad.

Sent from my 4G LTE Samsung Galaxy Note 4

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Hex, can ADB be used to shut down all existing KNOX utilities for a bypass?

Sent from my 4G LTE Samsung Galaxy Note 4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pcgate:
Lol, after the glory. You do not speak as though you've been through this kind of thing before.

Sorry couldn't help but post. I know I'm out of line. I don't particularly care about it one way or another, my note 2 tripped Knox and att still took mine back and swapped it for another one when my Bluetooth died. That phone is still plugging away in my wife's purse.

I'm just waiting for permanent because I'm lazy and don't want to be inconvenienced if I decide I want to reboot my phone. I'm actually pretty happy with my phone as it is. Exposed, TB and tasker are all I'm really wanting with root.

I got $ in both pots and can't wait to pay it out. Good work, guys who are working on it. Bad job, guys who are complaining about it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Bicknasty:
That wouldn't impact the Knox hardware fuse. If system software were to be disabled, any changes due to that are only in effect after the OS has booted. What you're referring to is the Knox security software suite, which isn't tightly integrated into the bootloader like the trigger for the Knox fuse is.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] tekjester:
I have been curious. With the Note 2, there was a team who could reflash the unlocked bootloader to the phone. They charged quite a bit ($75 I believe), but they used hardware tools to force an old bootloader into the eMMC.

I like the logic on where you're going, seems to me the software is too tough to crack ATM, but breaking the hardware security could be easier.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Bicknasty:
Yeah, probably. Stuff like that is all kinds of shady though. I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but if someone does end up offering such a solution, it won't be because someone discussed it on a forum, you know?

Plus I strongly suspect you'd be voiding more than just the Knox side of the warranty.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
Thanks for taking the time to explain these situations for me to everybody.

While some of you are expressing frustrations with the issues we present, please don't get mad. We are in the same boat and not giving up till we figure it out.

At least we know what the culprit is that is holding back permanent root and addressing it to the best we can.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] warriorpluto:
Root by hardware hacks sounds promising though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
You'd have to take your phone to a shop for a qualified expert to recycle the power on MMC controller. That means all of you. It's not an ideal way to go because one phone with that done won't benefit the mass. You'd be the only one with it done.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...7UjZf-ZMpF2BTQ9uQ&sig2=bCY2cLY3eGZ5SWCeXP9EoA

Interesting. I'll be using this PDF to compare stuff in /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 aboot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Xak:
Please keep us updated. This looks good I and others would love to know if this works thus causing perm root enabling write protections.

Edit:: remove screenshot from quote
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] zxz0O0:
There is a vulnerability in fastboot which allows to overwrite system partition. Moforoot used this vulnerability for example. Not sure if dm-verity would prevent the phone from booting or if this would allow perm-root (wp still active when booted though).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
I think that's the one Android.Ninja wanted to use with adb to exploit. You'd have to ask him for his info on that as he didn't share much about it with me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
Found it. Now time to carefully modify it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android.Ninja:
[MENTION=3508760]heXacode[/MENTION]:

Sorry for not being in touch lately, I just had 2 major surgeries due to a stupid doctors mistake, that left me in a wheelchair 90% of the time. (Only mentioning so everyone understands why I haven't been involved lately.)

@ Developers:

Yes, the secret to root is thru "Fastboot." I don't want any drama, nor to derail any other developers work. I don't have the time nor the patience for any of that. I've got more pressing issues, (my health & the time I have with my family.)

Now, I've mentioned this in the past several times. Before any other persons etc; That with the LG model for example, "Fastboot" was the way. I'm not going to look back for the quote but you can search if in doubt.

Oh well, here's the link anyways, most people won't search, so you can read them both here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59332181

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59720417

I'm no android developer, I'm a Software Security / Engineer Specialist, (non disclosure due to the highest level of security, ?) But I will say, that "Fastboot" is the vulnerability that needs to be looked at. If you want root on the Note 4, especially if you want to be able to reboot and keep root, then "Fastboot" is the way. No more no less.

CARPE NOCTEM

Developers don't need no stinkin' signature!

If I've been able to help you, please hit the "Thanks" button. ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gatesjunior:
O.k. a couple of things. Fastboot is not supported on the Samsung Note 4 retail, unless someone wants to show me it, they use download mode. Also, you cannot modify even one bit on the bootloader and flash it, because this will change its MD5 value and it will not be able to verify it and you could potentially have a brick on your hands..

I realize some people refer to both as one in the same as far as download mode / fastboot, but just clarifying.. As an example, if you go into Download mode and try to use:

fastboot devices

You will see that it does not even register the device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TheDriller:
Actually it's a SHA-256 checksum. But otherwise you are correct...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gatesjunior:
Correct, bottom line is, you cannot modify it without failing the verification process.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TheDriller:
Yeah. It's a ***** for sure. I've been all up and down the Note 3. Hard bricked it 3 or 4 times. Soft bricked it even more. Finally just gave up. Best you can hope for is what we got. A leak, that's full of holes. (Is that a double negative?)

Anyway, at least you know that you pretty much have an unbickable phone. Well, It bricks but is always recoverable. As long as it's a Snapdragon.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gatesjunior:
Yeah, I have gotten the infamous Verizon bootup nasty message more than a couple of times myself... :) Haven't gotten just a black screen yet ...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wolfy287:
I know this has nothing to do with root but is there away to downgrade with J odin. I ask this in another forum but it was never answer
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Rom-Addict:
didu even try and look?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3097054

[How To] Roll back to KK 4.4.4 from Lollipop 5.0.1 Verizon Retail Note 4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] howellcp:
Someone willing to try this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3129694

It's an app to get rid of King root and replace with su.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] CJ74753:
The application fails to work properly. SuperSU fails installation.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] epic4grooted:
I tried it as well failed
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Kyuta Syuko:
To be fair it is posted in the S4 forums...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] scottjoshuac:
So at this point I'd be willing to take apart my phone and upload new software via a JTAG connection. I searched around for a bit and couldn't find anything relating to a jtag port on the Note 4. Does anyone know if it has one? If it does, we could flash directly to the chip and bypass all security. I realize this is not something most people would do, but I'm sure somebody has to be interested in it besides me right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lingo2012:
Id be willing to try anything at this point lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] StayingSober:
I've been interested in it for a while, because I have a few devices (non smartphone related) that are hardware exploited, like my Xbox 360, Chromecast, etc. so I would love to see something like this for our Note 4.

Unfortunately, I also see it the same way the Devs do, in that it would not be beneficial for a large percentage of the community because of the physical tampering it would require once a method was developed. They would rather benefit everyone in the community by making something that everyone could do with minimal risk, rather than a small percentage of us who would be willing to physically open the phone regardless of the risk.

Tl;dr I would love to also see a hardware exploit, but it's understandable why it almost definitely won't happen lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Yousef_Muslih:
What's the point of being the only person with root, there won't be any developers making dope roms for us or anyone coming out with new xposed modules for the note 4, you will be stuck with a rooted phone and have no support for it, no firmware upgrades nuthing. We need a root that will benefit the masses. Plus I'm not to sure it's even possible to jtag a pre rooted software. You might get it installed but then will it actually bootup is doubtdull
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] burtonboarder:
I will start this with the statement I have minimal-no knowledge in regards to coding...However I was wondering if it would be possible to discover alternative exploits if a hardware hack was completed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android.Ninja:
No problem, let me clarify my wording. I was referring to the connection that is made between device / pc during commands.

Fastboot Mode = LG Devices

Download Mode = Samsung Devices

Root is achievable on the Note 4 using the "Download Mode" method.

Developers don't need no stinkin' signature!

If I've been able to help you, please hit the "Thanks" button. ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidHelp101:
Would love to see some proof if you dont mind, no disrespect..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eklipz3:
If you fastboot on samsung all you get or all I've gotten is waiting for device

Sent from my SM-N910V
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Surge1223:
I agree, I'd love to see some proof as well. The connection you are referring to is the "Odin Loke" and having taken apart aboot to see how the Odin3 interfaces with aboot, this would be interesting to see. You do realize that download mode != fastboot right? I mean aboot still has code for fastboot in it (though it's never branched to). Also are you looking at the same code for how the USB interfaces in aboot? It seems your basing your assumptions as if note 4 uses caf lk instead of a proprietary modified lk, known as aboot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
Good info about aboot and LK (LittleKernel).

http://newandroidbook.com/Articles/aboot.html?s

It's a shame I can't modify it to be used.

Maybe we should follow a similar pattern to this:

http://blablatech.net/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=6938126

Are the PoCs still of interest at this point?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] hotstyle765:
This is interesting. However am I right in saying that the bootloaders are not the same on moto devices and samsung devices? If so... we would need to find our own bootloader exploit to manage this.

:: sigh ::

Nice find though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
Both bootloader are completely different. We could follow a similar way into this since WP is being ridiculously difficult to disable. They went around it instead without messing with it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] patt2k:
Hey guys this has worked on my android tv razer forge you install and open terminal run this little command and it will let you use supersu maybe someone should try it and see how it behaves on note? ofc you also have to root with kingroot.

Check it out here : http://www.w0lfdroid.com/2015/05/How-to-Remove-Replace-KingUser-KingRoot-with-SuperSU.html

This is what I used on my forge tv
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] CJ74753:
How?

Please elaborate on this. Show us or tell us how please. I miss flashing roms and the customization.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Ragnar:
Thread cleaned of nonsense.

Keep it civil and about root.

Asking for proof is absolutely the correct thing to do when someone is making development claims.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ODSTZ3RO:
I think he meant he's OK with just having temp root since he stated we'll have to get used to losing root until someone achieves permanent root meaning he doesn't have permanent root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jasonstackhouse:
I tried it, so on my note 4 the method successfully removes kingroot, however instead of installing SU, after the comand prompt the phone black screens and hard reboots, root gets lost and SU does not get installed. Half way there though.

***Update, tried a slightly diffrent method, now with another guys app I tried the same method, SU would not install it did attempt to but fails, wish I remembered the apps name someone on here somewhere mentioned it from a post in a S4 forum, long story short that app failed to work, however when I tried your method with SElinuxmodechanger.apk activated and set my device to permissive from enforcing, boom worked like a charm, no reboot, no soft boot needed, king root removed and SuperSU installed and working flawlessly. Bravo, nice work on this brother .

Just tried a reinstall after I rebooted the phone by accident, SU is still installed, I re-rooted with king user, ran your method with no selinux app running but SU installed already, update took place, king user removed and worked as intended.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] XRay437:
Someone tested KingRoot? It works? Does it trip knox?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cstayton:
Seriously? Its all over the forums please use the search feature.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] XRay437:
I understand that it is only temp, but I didnt understand on what variant of Note it works and if trip the knox
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Temp correct I'll give you the answer since I'm in a good mood no it doesn't trip knox, but please next time do a search it's been spoken all over this thread.

Running On New Deadly Venom Note 4 v3.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eklipz3:
On the kindle thread someone used python and created a unlock.img file for it and it supposedly unlocked it but they fastbooted the file, I know it's a long shot but has anyone else seen the post and is it something we could possibly try to push the file to the phone? I apologize if this has been tried before.

Sent from my VS985 4G
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] patt2k:
I didn't make it I just found it and linked to you guys lol.

To make sure root still does not stay after rebooting or does it? prob not but maybe this little script will make things little easier. I dunno.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] rrjskj:
Its does if you soft reboot but on a hard reboot its gone. It does make things easier don't have to whip out the laptop everytime i want to temp root. Good find.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gatesjunior:
I offered up a script to do this a couple of weeks ago, but there didn't seem to be a lot of interest. Anyway, I have the apk almost completely done that will allow you to SuperSU Me right off of the phone now with one click. Coming soon.. Just finalizing a couple small UI tweaks. Fully functional though. Will remove Kingroot and all its garbage and install SuperSU for you with one click of a button.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Bicknasty:
Since the root is only temporary, and since we still would need the Kingroot apk to re-enable it, will the supersu me app leave the Kingroot app itself installed?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gatesjunior:
Negative, just make sure it is on your sdcard and you can quickly reinstall it if you need.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nyydynasty:
cant wait for this APK - thanks for your hard work!

I was able to create a tasker profile that automates the root process at bootup without having to press anything. Only downside is that it wont have supersu since you need a PC and your batch file to do that. But at least I have root automatically after each reboot. The profile runs kingroot, reinstalls xposed, and performs a softboot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
You should share your work so others may follow the same procedure using Tasker. I have a similar set up but haven't executed it in awhile since root only sticks for 30 minutes and becomes too much of a hassle for me now.

You could also use the NFC with an app called Trigger. Does the same thing by passing your phone over this:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] JOSHSKORN:
I was actually going to ask gatesjunior about his latest (coming soon) development that runs straight from the phone about being able to automate it on each boot, thus effectively adding this to the startup.

I was under the impression Tasker needed root to work, and since it's gone, I'm a bit lost as to how it could function correctly on a reboot. Can you share this particular profile or how you created it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nyydynasty:
you could definitely use NFC tags but that would require actually doing something with the phone and I was aiming for something as automated as possible.

since this thread is for root progress and this is technically off topic, i wont go into detail about the profile I created but if you are truly interested, PM me and I'll give you the details. Its not fool proof but it held me over until gates releases his APK, which will negate any reason to have this tasker profile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DrPhant0m:
I've been lurking for a while because I've had nothing constructive to contribute... however, I am somewhat of a Tasker fanatic, and I can say that there's a lot that you can do with Tasker without root, but a helluva lot more that you can do with root.

You can run terminal shell scripts and stuff with root... but...
[MENTION=3178012]gatesjunior[/MENTION] may be able to implement intents that could be triggered by Tasker to easily perform the required action on reboot. That would *NOT* require root in Tasker. There's a "device boot" event that you can use to trigger a task to run. If the SuperSUMe apk has a Tasker-recognizable intent/plug-in (not sure how hard this is to implement)... then you would add a plugin for SuperSUMe in the task that runs on boot and nothing else... and it'd do all the magic for you.

You can also perform "Activities" within an app via Tasker without the app being Tasker-friendly. I'm not 100% sure how this works/is implemented, but the "Activities" are hard-coded into the app by default, and Tasker pulls them out. For instance, the Amazon for Tablet app has several activities:

browse.browseactivity

retailsearch.retailsearchactivity

wishlist.wishlistactivity

(to name a few of the more obvious ones)

This is done through the "Launch App" action in Tasker... I've seen some apps that have separate activities for different screens, so you can easily go straight to one menu/screen when you launch the app in Tasker. (This is the only time I've used this feature) Be advised of the following warning in the help file for this action: "When selecting an app, you can long-click to select a sub-activity of the app. Note that often the app is not expecting a sub-activity to be launched directly and may crash"

You can simulate screen taps with Tasker, but that requires root and a shell command. (Input tap x,y)

To go a little further... I'd also suggest that you could easily run a task periodically that would check for root, and if you've lost root (which I hear is common, and you don't always realize when it happens)... then you could create a notification and a button to reboot or re-run the root apk... or something like that.

I don't actually own a Note 4, so I can't really contribute a working version of the Tasker profile. But I'd be glad to help where I can. I've just been keeping an eye on this and several other related threads because I want to get a Note 4, and I want it to have permanent root. Actually... I'm on the cusp of buying a Dev Edition, and having an unlocked bootloader, as well.

I really hope that helps. I've been anxious to contribute something to this conversation, but it's all over my head, and I don't even have any bad ideas to contribute. lol

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Wooooops... I guess I went way off-topic by providing a lot of details. Sorry...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Viryllo:
I've also been patiently waiting on perma-root for the Note 4.

I Read about this in the s6 forum of a possibility that verizon upgrade assistant can unlock the bootloader temp to upgrade firmware. I have no idea if its true or not. I'm just putting it out there trying to help.

reddit.com/r/GalaxyS6/comments/38c8tw/how_to_unroot_your_verizon_s6_the_easy_way_no_wipe

I dont know if this has been tried for the note 4 and apologies if this has been asked before.

Cant post links yet!!!