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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Surge1223:
No one arguing that they don't. I'm not sure you understand what achieving root is. Just because you can't modify somethings doesn't mean you don't have "root". Even if you had full on root and an unlocked bootloader you can't delete everything and everything you want, things like selinux and kernel space vs userspace exist as roadblocks. That's why things with access to kernel space usually aren't available to the user without a custom kernel (overclock, sysfs control, modules) and unfortunately for us dm-verity lives in kernel mem.

That's great that you want to take the everydays user point of view in relation to what "root means to you"

But let me regift you with a link and quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superuser

"In computing, the*superuser*is a special*user account*used for*system administration. Depending on the*operating system*(OS), the actual name of this account might be:*root,administrator,*admin*or*supervisor. In some cases the actual name is not significant but is an attribute of the user, and onUnix-like*systems the user with an*UID*of zero is the superuser, regardless of the name of that account.[1]

In OSes which have the concept of a superuser, it is generally recommended that most application work be done using an ordinary account which does not have the ability to make system-wide changes

In*Unix-like*computer OSes,*root*is the conventional name of the user who has all rights or permissions (to all files and programs) in all modes (single- or multi-user). Alternative names include*baron*in*BeOS*and*avatar*on some Unix variants.[2]*BSD*often provides a*toor*("root" written backward) account in addition to a root account.[3]Regardless of the name, the superuser always has a*user IDof 0. The root user can do many things an ordinary user cannot, such as changing the ownership of files and binding to network*ports*numbered below 1024.

The name "root" may have originated because*root*is the only user account with permission to modify the*root directory*of a Unix system. This directory was originally considered to be root's*home directory,[4]*but the Linux*Filesystem Hierarchy Standard*now recommends that root's home be at*/root.[5]The first process*bootstrapped*in a*Unix-like*system, usually called*init, runs with root privileges. It spawns all other processes directly or indirectly, which inherit their parents' privileges. Only a process running as root is allowed to change its user ID to that of another user; once it's done so, there is no way back. Doing so is sometimes called*dropping root privileges*and is often done as a security measure to limit the damage from possible contamination of the process. Another case is*login*and other programs that ask users for credentials and in case of successfulauthentication*allow them to run programs with privileges of their accounts."

But yes I get your point about how the "root" we have isn't the conventional root users are used to. But then again this a thread about root, not what can we/can't we do with root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] terpin32:
I give you devs props you guys don't have to do anything of this for us but you do it anyways cuz its what you guys love to do and that's not enough in these ppls eyes and it's sad i've been able to deal with what we got so far using tb and im thankful for that but for those ppl who it isnt good enough i guess get a different phone and move on or learn this on your own time and help out not bash these devs for their hard work its pathetic to see ppl complain when these devs are doing this on their own time not getting paid for it.

once and thanks to all the devs out there keep up the good work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] rmp5s:
Well...despite my objections, it updated anyway. Apparently telling it to "remind me later" and accepting the fact that there is now going to be an annoying "update ready" icon in my window shade until the end of time doesn't matter. It does what it wants.

Could it be irrelevant regarding root? Maybe. Hopefully. Probably not.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android.Ninja:
If you're that distressed by our conversation then why don't you move on instead of adding nonproductive input..?

Nobody asked for your negativity here.. LoL

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Well said indeed! lol ?

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Very well said indeed sir. I see your point, and that does make sense. ? Hopefully we can find a way to get past this write protection that's troubling us so much. Has anyone approached the thoughts via keyboard hack etc? I thought I read some pages back where a possible exploit might be obtained via keyboard etc?

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Very well said indeed sir. I see your point, and that does make sense. ? Hopefully we can find a way to get past this write protection that's troubling us so much. Has anyone approached the thoughts via keyboard hack etc? I thought I read some pages back where a possible exploit might be obtained via keyboard etc?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Cave Canem:
Seems like the keyboard issue is being forcibly patched at a pretty good clip, whether users want it or not. What about using stagefright? The how-to details for stagefright will be released 5 August next week, but I haven't seen ATT sending the patch Google already approved.

Perhaps stagefright may be a more viable route to root or an adjunct to current root efforts?

Any devs/senior members care to weigh in on the matter?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] graydiggy:
Stagefright seems to only be an vulnerability on systems without WP. Like the nexus line.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] elliwigy:
to my knowledge it works for most devices with mms capability.. at least thats how i read it lol

if anything, youd think nexus devices would b patched first lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] graydiggy:
Well yes, but any reboot to a device with WP would revert the exploit. And root still technically has been attained. Stagefright does not seem like it would disable WP. It would just allow root from my understanding so that potential malicious code could be ran.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yamaha_wins:
Surely the devs could use this to get a temp root without the need for kingroot? (Note 4)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] linkdead13:
It works on any phone with a pre patched version of libstagefright
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] kirewade:
Is it me or is elliiwigy just here to argue?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] linkdead13:
What methods so far have been used in attempt to bypass WP?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] bobloblaw1:
It's you. There's a difference in being argumentative and correcting misstatements.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jreed3786:
Nah, must just be you. Didn't notice anything strange about his posts.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] elliwigy:
i never like to argue and hope you guys get root asap since i kno many with note 4s..

i kno i might come off a bit strong/rude at times but thats never my intention lol

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] iamStrykyr:
More than just rude. You are the reason I stopped coming here 2 years ago. People want to ask questions. Let em. You don't have to be nasty when u respond. Will Wheaton said it perfectly. Don't be a ****
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yamaha_wins:
A LOT of people on xda would rather waste a comment being a total butt.. rather than just helping and moving on.. but too the defense of the party that's under pressure here... even I get tired of seeing the same questions, etc over and over.. on multiple threads.

Buts it's probably better to pm your concerns to him vs putting it in the threads which will just make 1 of the mods have a bad day or night..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] elliwigy:
lol agreed with the repeat questions.. its hard for someone like me who doesnt have nerves of steel and is active but i do try..

i dont take anyones comments offensively as he is entitled to his own opinion..

fact of matter is, ive helped way more ppl than any who have been offended by my smart responses sometimes..

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2 years ago? hold a grudge much? I cant even remember what device i was on 2 years ago.. maybe Sprint LG Optimus G?

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android.Ninja:
LoL at the comments!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Genesis730:
I'm running a slightly older version.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Genesis730:
This may be a stupid question but is it known what code could possibly be executed (with system permission, of course) in order to get root access? I'd like to do some research and maybe a few trials to see what happens. Like push the SU .apk and running some command?

And does SELinux interfere with execution?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Orito:
Unfortunately, I have no idea - I am in the same boat as you, just trying to do some research to further the cause... I have a feeling that if you were to get in touch with the guy who found the exploit for system access, that he'd have some idea on how to gain root from there, let alone push an SU binary through.

As for SELinux, I have no idea - and I cannot for the life of me find a way to disable it without root access in the first place.

I wish Samsung/AT&T realized that-

1) We like the devices, not necessarily the software that is pre-installed.

2) Eventually, with enough restrictions in place, we'll move on to other devices - someone will fill the void.

Anyway, back on topic - I figure for us to gain root access with this particular exploit, we need to find a way to escalate from System to ROOT with just intent rights... If, at that point, SELinux prevents the execution, we then need to find a exploit to disable SELinux without ROOT permission - unlikely.

With that said, my kernel is only a month old, yours is 3 months old - there are bound to be more exploits found.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Genesis730:
A few exploits floating around

CVE-2014-3153*(http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-3153)

Works on kernel up to v3.14.5 (latest is 3.10.x no?)

Or what I believe is more promising since the exploit works on anything <5.0, just missing the code to execute?

CVE-2014-8609 (http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Nov/81)

I'm really not experienced enough to experiment without a little done guidance but they look like potential to me!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Orito:
Looked into the first one - it looks like it was patched on June 5th. The second one is the disclosure of the CVE I posted on the previous page though - glad to see someone else thought it was promising, hope a more talented developer could comment though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] hiperglyde:
what if we were to odin flash the tmo stock software, root then fix the modem. Is this feasible, or would it hard brick? could the odin file details for phone make be edited to allow it to happen with an AT&T device?

edit* or use the N910F software the same way as on the Note 2?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
This has been asked already many times. A locked bootloader in this case means from aboot to bootloader to kernel, everything is verified by digital signature. Only kernels and bootloaders that are signed/approved by ATT will boot. Any changes will change the signature. It has been that way for years now with the ATT note 3 still stuck with the ATT kernel.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MrPlNK:
So offer one of the att guys the 40k bounty we have to get some digital signatures?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] GabrielOspina:
Hopefully someone will budge
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] httuner:
Why would you say such a thing? Geohot was just like everyone else, he didn't work for google at first. There will be a way, there are many talented developers out there. At this moment it just seems no one is actively spending time on figuring out root or maybe there is, with time it'll come. Someone will pull through.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] windstrings:
Hacking just shows your skills to land a real job.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Like I've said before, everyone's best chance for root is to keep an eye on the security blogs for disclosed vulnerabilities. These people do vulnerability research for a living. They get paid the big bucks to test this stuff. Governments and intelligence orgs pay 200k at the minimum for these exploits. Once the cat is out of the bag for these exploits (phone maker alerted/government done with them) the researchers will disclose them to the general public. Towelroot was an app programmed to exploit a disclosed vulnerability from security researchers.

So, the chances of the ordinary dev from xda finding a 0day exploit for root is almost zero. Geohot, as talented as he is, didn't find the vulnerability. He made an app to exploit it with some help no doubt. There is not much activity from devs here because they don't have anything to work with yet. We just need to be patient and wait for a vulnerability to be made public. It could be months or years. No one knows.

Like chainfire and other big xda devs have said, it is now more important than ever to buy phones with unlocked bootloaders.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Snarksneeze:
Personally, I think the days of new phone hype are long gone. Once a version (in this case let's say T-Mobile) of the phone has been unlocked and rooted the devs move on to other things. I believe that George could have found some sort of exploit, and if he was really invested probably still could, but there are too many options out there these days to warrant an all-out assault on this device like we would have seen in the halcyon days of xda.

I don't doubt that some day this phone will have root, which is why I've pledged for it. I don't think it will be any time soon, but I'm sure that it will eventually happen. I just don't think it will be a device-specific exploit but rather a hole in AT&T's software that leads to multiple device roots.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android300ZX:
Was that guy pulling everyone's finger? The one who claimed his son was bleeding out of his ears or something like that? I'm sure a mod could verify if he was actively logged in after his statement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] holywhitebread:
Yes. He was full of ****.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] loganfarrell:
Am I missing something? What guy said that?

Edit: I saw it. I really hope that's a cruel joke for his son's sake. That sounds absolutely terrible. My best wishes to him and his son if that's the case. But if it's not true, no harm done to anyone other than false hope for rooting soon. I hope it plays out well for everyone hoping for root and his family.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android300ZX:
The guy who supposedly said he figured out root for the Note 4. I sensed bull**** when he said it would work with a wide variety of devices. I'm not hacker/exploiter but I found it hard to believe in that different OEMs use different methods to lock down their phones, etc. Anyway, he came back on here and posted an update to the effect of "My son is bleeding from his ears, respect my personal issues, I'll come back to upload this and that".. Don't quote the actual words but I'm sure a few pages back you can find the thread link. Anyway, I was only saying that I'm sure a mod can verify his last log in date and if he's active on here. That would verify and solidify that he was bs'ing all along. Anyway, hope we get root soon. I already threw this phone on CL to see if I can find someone who wants to trade a Nexus 6. Let's hope someone bites.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
I just got done selling my Note 4 for a Nexus 6 and I just bought another Note 4 yesterday. Other than being able to root, the Nexus 6 falls short of the Note 4 in almost every other category. My Nexus 6 is going up for sale today on Craigslist. Just my opinion of course.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Yakuzahi:
At least you bought a T-Mobile Note 4 right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
Actually I didn't. I need it to be reliable for work and just didn't want to risk anything. I'm done with rooting for a while unfortunately. :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jreed3786:
Will SOMEBODY please clean up this thread? The pointless, back and forth infighting, and ego stroking is out of control. I come here daily to check the progress on rooting...NOT to read page after page of garbage.

Come on guys...grow the hell up. Stay on topic.

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android.Ninja:
And I come here daily too, however I refrain from making pointless comments like yours. ? You want to clean up the thread, start with your own post. Then I'll worry about mine I just posted too ? jk

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Seriously, has anyone looked at if there was a way to implement root via keyboard vulnerability? I've seen that mentioned on some other threads as well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] graydiggy:
Your response was unnecessary. Irony.

And yes. This has been discussed and If I am not mistaken, won't work. I could be wrong. But I remember reading something about them hitting a pretty solid wall with it. It's still being looked at though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Android.Ninja:
LoL at unnecessary. Sometimes you just have to go with it, ?

Yeah I know the kid gatesjunior is looking at that method. We'll just have to see if they can come thru..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3166586
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] zxz0O0:
Exploiting the keyboard vulnerability won't be possible. The only exploit whichs seems plausible in exploiting and defeating WP at the current time is CVE-2015-0567.

However, as far as I know there is no fastboot on samsung devices which would render the exploit impossible if there is not another identical solution.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
How will it not be possible? I don't think you did your research like I did. It is possible but it won't give us root (0) unless mitm is configured correctly to do so. It can still be chained with another exploit to escalate to root (0).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] zxz0O0:
So what? A new Samsung specific alternative instead of using Kingroot with no other difference?

Of course you might be successful at actually exploiting the vulnerability. But what I meant is it won't give anyone any benefit over what has already been achieved.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yamaha_wins:
I'd rather have a temp root from known dev's vs temp root from a China root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
My main focus is getting us clean root, even if it's just temp root, so we can move away from Kingroot due to a lot of paranoia about it. At least people will then know what's exploited and not worry about Kingroot stealing private info or doing something we aren't 100% aware of.

Also, like jcase said, its going to take more than one exploit to even accomplish what we need... Perm root. Why not have this ready to be chained with another exploit? I don't see anybody doing any other exploits and readying it for future use.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dagolith:
I agree. One of the worse things I have ever seen and I'm "like that". Arguing over semantics is pointless.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lolwatpear:
Someone root this. Also, unlock its bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] graydiggy:
Get to work then.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] primeafk:
Lol why don't you do something to help?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chronicaust:
If people are going to be this insulting and petty I really hope they find a new home for intelligent root discussion that condones name calling and infighting.

I once again thank the devs here for all they do to provide us peons with the ability to use our phones as we want =). And thanks everyone else who has kept things on topic.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eklipz3:
I think the problem is is that people are hoping that when something is posted it's gonna be something and then it turns out to be no more than chatter which frustrates people that's why myself I don't usually post unless I feel I might be on to something that might help. Devs forgive my response but I hope it clears things up a bit.

Sent from my VS985 4G
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] graydiggy:
My thing is people posting to demand things. The devs and others are working on it diligently. However, if you are just going to post useless comments saying "someone root this and unlock its bootloaders" I and many others have a problem.

There are 3 options, either wait, do something productive like actually help, or shut it.

These devs do it all in their free time and don't need others telling them what to do. Especially users that have no idea what it takes to make root happen, even on a device like a Nexus phone.

It's one thing to post an idea. Even if it's wrong or won't work. But it's blatant disrespect to expect things to get done when you are doing nothing in return to make any progress, but instead act like a pretentious douche.

I'll say this now,like it's been said a million times. If you aren't going to post something productive, be it to help give ideas, or to simply discuss why something may or may not work, please just continue to lurk. And for the love of FSM, don't demand anything from anyone. The next person I see demanding something like many users have, will be reported and you can deal with a moderator.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] warriorpluto:
More useless bickering. Was hoping for a promising update on progress in this thread, but it's more of the same stuff.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nastyking:
Sorry to ask in this here but is the any other way to ublock the sim on att note 4 without root sorry again
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] markworksfx:
This isn't the place for your question but I will answer It . cellunlocker.net

I just used their service 24.99 was skeptical at first but they came through now my AT&T note 4 is Sim unlocked getting ready to trade it for the t-mobile version
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ad44891:
Damn...I thought I left elementary school yrs ago...cmon people..keep it pimpish..or don't say nothing at all!?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mik3di3s3l:
2nd day owning this hot piece. I personally love the phone, hate Twiz. but after downgrading to 444 battery life is actually tolerable now! lol coming from an s3 att.... a perm root is always possible.... I will do my best to help, cuz waiting is not an option for me. I have too much free time and well, if I'm gonna sit on my ass, I might as well put a computer on my lap while I sit on my ass. :) cheers to all devs for making anything possible.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] happy2472:
See now that is the spirit I like to read I got my note 4 because I'm getting divorced and my kids mother decided to destroy my s4 I should have done some research but this is an amazing phone however I did the roll back to 4.4.4 and was able to get temporary root but my phone would reboot every half hour and it was very sluggish so I restored my original firmware because I'm getting divorced and my kids mother decided to destroy my s 4 I should have done some research this is amazing however I did the rollback 4.4.4 and was able to get temporary route but my phone with reboot every half hour it was very sluggish so I restored my original firmware praying everyday and I'm not religious that's true will happen this phone I'd like to thank all the devs also for any of their hard work and determination to get this process completed .... any typeos are because im using talk to text lol .... I even went one step further and message Chainfire to see if they could accomplish permanent root no reply as of yet
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] elliwigy:
hahavright.. sorry to ask here but ask anyways knowing its the wrong thread lmao

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fbauto1:
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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yamaha_wins:
Go another step and message geohot.. see if you can talk him back for a challenge.