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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mussels84:
thats what it felt like to me when i used CM last (which was CM9 or CM10, a long time ago) - a great way to make your phone identical to every other CM phone, with all the unique features gone (worse camera app, music app, etc)

Seems things haven't changed - so its great to get rid of carrier bloat, but if you're already debloated or didnt get a carrier phone, TW still seems the go for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LancerV:
Samsung Android 5.0*

*Looks nothing like 5.0

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The Samsung camera blows, CFV-5 is 10x better and you want to know something crazy the Nexus 5 raw images blow away any of the Note 4 images.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Wanted to add that I'm getting 30% higher scores on NAND performance in Androbench, on CM12/lollipop than in Androbench on TW. Not sure why that is but I ran the tests a few time (each time after a reboot) and it came out like that every time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
Carrier IQ is strictly an American problem. I envy the freedom of your country.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PieOfJustice:
Darn. The lack of UHD really breaks it for me. Maybe down the road.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mussels84:
what CM roms come with that camera? is it common?

Again i've not used CM in a while, but when i last did camera was the most noticable lack.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] icanfly77:
Personally I think it's a slap in the face from Samsung to release Lollipop on the Note 3 first. I upgraded from the Note 2 wanting to have the latest and greatest and have been a loyal Samsung customer since the S2. I have gone out of my way to make sure I keep upgrading and so we should be rewarded with getting Lollipop first. What does it say of Samsung or any company wanting you to buy their very latest products? Why bother when their existing products you can aquire for much less have the latest firmware. Unfortunately Samsung have me by the short and curlies for me they are the best smartphones so all I can do is bend over and keep letting Samsung shaft me even worse im stuck with the Samsung Australia region who at this point in time still have not released Kit Kat for the Note 2 when other regions have had it since July
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mussels84:
you can always ODIN flash other countries roms, i have been since the S2. Screw waiting on telstra or optus for their bloated, 6 months late firmwares.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] icanfly77:
Thanks yeah I did months ago but the problem is I want to sell the phone but it before I do it has a warranty issue with the camera. I fear if I send then phone in with Nordic on it they may reject the warranty even though it hasnt tripped Knox.

As I understand it i cant flash back to 4.3 now because of the different bootloader so was waiting for the official Telstra rom to finally arrive so I can flash it and return for warranty
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LancerV:
Every CM rom that comes with google play store

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ALso touchwiz with loosing Xposed is like 5 steps backwards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mussels84:
i'll give CM a shot on my second one for a side by side comparison. i guess not many people can do that, should be informative.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LancerV:
I own two note 4's both run CM12
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mussels84:
what ROM? i looked through the forums and cannot find anything for the exynos model.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LancerV:
Exynos is pretty much SOL right now :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mussels84:
that'd be why i havent seen much then. oh well, good thing i'm pretty happy with TW.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] andalism:
Im gonna have to disagree. Camera FV-5 allows more flexible controls like long shutter speed and iso, but the image processing of Samsung camera is still way more mature. Colour noise is effectively suppressed even at ISO2000 and luminance noise is kept well under control. Also, unlike FV-5 , night shots in samsung's camera engages in some sort of multi frame mode, reducing even more noise and producing cleaner photos. Unless you use Adobe lightroom extensively to process the photos all the time Samsung's camera is undoubtedly better.

Personal preference but i prefer Samsung's camera colour processing too.

Im not too sure if the Play Store provide any apps to compete with Samsung's camera. Perhaps one I can think off is "A better camera" which does kinda similar processing to the note 4 camera when it comes to "night mode" but it's UI and usage isnt exactly pleasant...

As for Nexus 5, from what I've seen from reddit hell yeah they are much better on lollipop than on kitkat but their sensor is still inferior to the note 4 in terms of resolution(duh) , dynamic range. (Low light shots have improved detail from kitkat but are still noticeably noisy) but this is expected from an older sensor. Unfortunately we're probably not sure if note 4's camera API will get updated to support RAW image capture or more flexible camera controls.

TL,DR Samsung's camera is better (despite many shortcomings faced by users due to lack of controls)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
Below news is making some sounds in reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/co...z_gives_nexus_line[ /URL]

Texted from Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LancerV:
Pro capture does this also, night mode is about the only thing that might be better for samsung. But also the pictures only look decent on your phone once you blow them up well it makes you wish you had your dSLR anyways.

And samsung's color for photos have always been know to be way too over corrected in the photo world.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] andalism:
I could list out more things that the Samsung camera does better, such as having fine detail, having on sensor HDR. And also night mode isn't the only case where photos have more noise. Even at Base iso , noise can become a problem especially for solid objects . Thus if you like cleaner pictures, i feel Samsung's camera is better .

And... if anything Samsung's colour is definitely not over corrected in the photo world.Firstly, the photo world ( if you mean dslr) does not focus on having accurate or true to life colours. For example, Fujifilm and Olympus has been widely praised by dslr sites for having punchy warm colours which gives the photo a very pleasant tone in many situations,despite not being accurate at the default settings. In fact, my note 4 photos produces photos that pretty much have a more neutral tone to it or "accurate colours" but are just dull and boring on many occasions.

And thirdly. Gotta agree I wish I had my dslr on high iso/night shots, but I can't really expect much from a 1/2.6 inch sensor anyway. So it's OK. This camera does iso2000 extremely well compared to many other phones.

So to conclude and not being off topic.

I hope the lollipop update improves on the camera. Especially the new APIs like on the nexus 5. But i doubt so hearing that it could be Nexus 5/6 exclusive
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dondavis007:
I think the new api is part of lollipop. The question is more when developers starts using it full out. I rather like hdr plus on my N5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LancerV:
Sort of, the API is part of lollipop but it also has to be implemented into the rom, reason why CM12 roms dont have RAW support yet

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Its already supported on other devices besides the Nexus 5 and 6 so yeah its nothing exclusive it just requires Samsung to actually implement them which see how well they implemented the looks of Android L too start I'm not going to get my hopes up
[Galaxy Note 4 General] megatooth:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2qui2n/samsung_confirmed_l_release_in_jan_internal/

It's close.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tweeny80:
Personally I can live with no xposed once Lollipop TW arrives. I have positive vibes rovo89 will eventually sort it.

So I'm effin pumped for this goddam update c'mon Mr Samsung hit us. We'll collectively take your software, improve it, pimp it out with bells and whistles & ride that bitc* straight thru downtown with the volume pumped, bass thumpin and the chicks will flash their ti*s and beg to see our goddam Air Command jacked up by supersu!

OK rant finished thanks for listening
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Samsung implementation on notification toggle and dialer is actually far ahead better than stock.

If really so fancy on stock, get a nexus phone not Samsung or any others brand. Each brand must have it own personality. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
FWIW it's been running cm12 for 2 weeks.

Edit: Albeit a work-in-progress, it's coming along.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ste_JDM:
I like the look of the notifcation pull down. I was on stock for over a year straight and while I loved it I also grew bored of it and used themer,etc a lot. Since I've had my Note 4 (and first device using TouchWhiz) I've not changed the launcher yet. That might change, I aim to have this device for 2/3 years.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
CM has been a work-in-progress since its inception lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
This is very true (but still...)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
thats fantastic [MENTION=3041959]fattire[/MENTION], i wish you people start a dedicated discussion thread along with a beta build asap :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jhill110:
Yup, I gave up at CM7.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hitman42:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/12/03...lipop-will-look-on-the-samsung-galaxy-note-4/ here android lollipop on NOTE 4 (910F )
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
Thanks. I have to say I like cm12 a lot better than that touchwiz stuff in the videos above, though there are some sacrifices in functionality... (the s-pen works like a mouse for example, and a lot of samsung enhancements aren't there.. but ah well.)

Today I got the vibrator working and I believe slayher has voice calls going too now. Video works (youtube, etc.) w/sound as of yesterday though there's a DRM issue still with Google Movies (and I'd expect netflix, etc.)... I *think* slayher says he has camera up too. maybe I'll make another video at some point since apparently they are popular. Still to do: nfc, gps, (stable) mtp, fast charging mode, and headphone jack support are glaring omissions.

Cheers,

ft
[Galaxy Note 4 General] utopiate:
Looks like January for the release

[IMG="Note 4 Lollipop Release"]http://www.sammobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Samsung-Club-SFR-Updates-List.png[/IMG]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 8elv3da:
Lollipop Goodness

Can't wait for someone to show updated Google apps running on this build of Lollipop.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
Great progress, as much as I love touchwiz I love the dedication and hard work of aosp maintainers. Keep up the great work, excited to try the first cm build with almost no issues :)

Texted from Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] marshall39:
Isn't only for SFR carrier?

Carriers are always late , hopefully that means december for "normal" phones :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
As long as it's 5.0.1 and not 5.0, I'll be happy :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] josidhe:
Don't know if anybody else caught it in the video, but when he pulled down the notification tray, that ridiculously unnecessary 'Wi-Fi connected' notification was gone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Android 5.0 Lollipop update for Galaxy S5 (SM-G900F) rolling out now in Europe

http://androidctrl.com/android-5-0-lollipop-update-galaxy-s5-sm-g900f-rolling-now-europe/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Samsung Galaxy S5 (SM-G900F) receives Android 5.0 Lollipop update

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/12/04/samsung-galaxy-s5-sm-g900f-receives-android-5-0-lollipop-update/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Laurentiu27:
Here is what i found
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
they wrongly mentioned the dates.. already lollipop rolling for S5 devices..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Drizzy xS:
Okay so Um.. Why is the galaxy s 5 which is a phone that is older than ours and less expensive getting the Google update before us??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pikul:
I guess thats exactly why, you would not want your expensive note 4 to have really buggy software and also its a more fully feature phone, im guessing well get it in the next week or so, sammobile already has a copy so its not long before a fully feature one comes out

Sent from my Galaxy NOTE 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
well said buddy...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom540:
Really good news, the Note 4 should be updated before Christmas then [emoji51]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
It'll definitely before February, which is good. I don't think it'll be before Christmas but it will be soon! :)

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
I'm not even sure I'd want to upgrade right before Christmas. The last thing I want to do during the holidays is troubleshoot my phone's software. I doubt very much it'll be bug free.

Sent from my SM-N910U
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
I've never even seen bug free software
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pikul:
Didnt think about that:-/ im planing on recording my family reunion and all the fireworks from celebrations here, cristmas its awsome in my country LOL my note its perfect like it is so even if it comes out i might not do the update

Sent from my Galaxy NOTE 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
I don't mean minor bugs that most would hardly notice, I mean major use-blocking bugs like what the first crop of 5.0 adopters experienced or what I phone users had on ios 8.

I'd rather not have to worry about not being able to connect to WiFi or making emergency calls during the holidays. We'll see how the S5 works at least several weeks before we get our update.

Sent from my SM-N910U
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
many sources says Lollipop Coming soon to Note 4.. Probably it will be out before Christmas..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pbedard:
Cool
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pikul:
Samsung and htc really step up with the updates this time, the htc one update 5.0.1 started rolling a few minutes ago, its nice they dont keep users wating for so long

Sent from my Galaxy NOTE 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
Maybe SS pushed S5 update ealier due to Moto + LG already updated.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Already sammobile released the Video Preview of NOTE 4 running LOLLIPOP http://www.sammobile.com/2014/12/03...lipop-will-look-on-the-samsung-galaxy-note-4/

note only sammobile, many sources says it wil be out soon for NOTE 4 before Christmas...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Archiimonde:
I hope if they release it quickly that it's mostly bug free. I'd rather have a more polished version released later, than a buggy release now/soon. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
In the video he clearly stated beginning of next year.

Christmas is in 20 days.

We won't get the update that soon, the S5 update rolled out a month after Sammobile showed it on video.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
If it is going to release next year then it will be 5.0.1 bug free lollipop version..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
Just early testing version. Do you remember sammobile posted S4 running Lollipop more than month ago but no official update for S4 until now :). I'm pretty sure Note 4 will be update in Jan. Too many special features to work on Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
I accept that Note 4 will be updated on january but S4 is almost 2 years old, it wil never be updated before Flagship devices.. Then whats the need of having flagship models... S5 and Note 4 both are flagship models of 2014 ... so note 3 nor S4 wil never be updated before NOTE 4... :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
They be testing it on S5 Poland only so that the mighty Note 4 can have a trouble free update.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrymr:
Exactly my thoughts if we get 5.0.1 and less bugs I'm ok with waiting, wouldn't want the same disaster as the first build of 4.3 for the SGS3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Yesterday korean users got the lollipop update for S5
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
Looks like 5 on Note 4!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabster21:
Why would I install a buggy custom ROM with gimped functionality instead of waiting a few more weeks for the official release?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] utopiate:
I know, crazy right? I mean I don't even know why I visit XDA Developers! I should just stick to stock and loyally await my updates!..... oh wait... cos its fun and cos I can. lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Jeffbucc:
Plus, it is attitudes like that, that deter developers from putting so much hard work into building all the ROMs we flash on our phones without a second thought.

Don't bite the hand that most of us are very appreciative of.

Thanks for the hard work you put into that fattire. As someone who doesn't enjoy touchwiz as much as AOSP, I appreciate you spending a long 3 weeks(and many more) getting the bugs out of it for you & our enjoyment.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Batfink33:
Because it's a "developers" forum?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
Thanks for the laugh!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ciscostud:
I wouldn't waste my time on that rom either...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom540:
You do realise this is XDA? Coming from a Nexus 5 I'm not sure why so many note 4 users care so little about having the latest android version
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabster21:
Because the "latest android version" pales in comparison to everything Touchwiz offers. I have a Nexus 10 which I updated to Lollipop, after 10 minutes of playing around with it I was like 'meh'.

4.4 + Touchwiz > Vanilla Android 5.0

A better question would be why would you buy a Note 4 just to have the S Pen, IR Remote, split screen, pop-up windows, ultra power-saving (project Volta my ass), fingerprint scanner, etc.. disabled by an AOSP custom ROM? Just to have a nice little 5.0 on your About Device screen? I prefer to root/Xposed and have the best of both worlds.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
cuz most important thing is note 4 is different on its own tw android. and aslong as you use a tw based rom android version means really nothing tw effects speed- stability- features etc. tw effects all stuff in good or bad way. android version barely changes something on a skinned android phone(sense-tw etc). i tried 5.0 on s5 there isnt really any difference in performance just some interface changes. cm on a note 4 is just waste of time. i wouldnt touch note 4 if i was gonna waste my time on aosp roms.

as long as my phone works good i just dont care whats my android version on a skinned phone. android version means something for stock android phones not much for others. i used nexus 4 nexus 5 android updates never been a big deal for me. people think updates changes alot but not really.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom540:
I agree I prefer the TW additions, but no one even seems excited for the Samsung release - everyone seems to be saying they would rather wait until Jan/Feb for a bug free version? Not sure if I can cope with that wait
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
All I can say is each to their own. There was a time where I loved flashing roms and wasting hours of time testing roms. Problem is that yes it does take up a lot of time to do that, and yes roms like CM are always more buggy than stock.

These days I prefer stock rooted and I do still come here to keep up on news related to our phone but custom roms just aren't for me.

I'd rather run stable 4.4 on the device I really need to have working than buggy CM and risk not even being able to make a call.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ridearoundsolo:
Its not that, its more like people respond with answers like that just to shut us up, its like "look here is 5.0 thats all you need" but clearly this thread is about touchwiz with android 5.0
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
Both sides make fair points.

However, just because this is XDA doesn't mean that there's no place for people who don't want an AOSP based ROM on their phone. If this was strictly a developer forum, most of us wouldn't even have posting rights.

As always, each to their own. This is a thread about the upcoming TW update and it should remain as such. There are threads where CM12 is discussed and it'd be just as inappropriate to flood with "I love TW" posts.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] isaakmg:
Come here....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gadjet:
Hi isaakmg.

Can't find the post on sammobile site, got a link?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
He is trolling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Batfink33:
Is that real?!?!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gadjet:
Agh, cheers Lodix
[Galaxy Note 4 General] isaakmg:
I'm not trolling.....

I saw this photo in a group of telegram of web htcmania.com
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hohoXD1233:
Not trolling.

I'm in England and I just checked. 123.79mb download, installing it now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gadjet:
What network are you on? cheers
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hohoXD1233:
Ah, sorry looks like I was mistaken. Still says 4.4.4 after the update, swear I was on that before anyway, strange.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gadjet:
Probably the update from ANJ4 to ANK4, bug fixes etc
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jpbl1976:
Haha, agreed :).

One Dev who has access to Lollipop for the Note 4 did mention that it's very hard to modify. I guess that means we'll have to settle for Stock rooted in the interim. I actually like the 5.0 UI -- I'm running stock rooted on my Nexus 5 and unrooted stock on my Nexus 6 although I may root the latter and play with it a bit more during the holidays when I'll have lots of downtime.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] thetonyclifton:
I am looking forward to it, I was using 5.0 on my nexus 5 and I think it is great. I would prefer a more stock experience...well that isn't accurate I went for a bigger phone and as a result I wanted more functionality - namely the s pen which is why I sided with the Note over the Nexus after much much deliberation.

I don't hate TW as much as I expected.....there are certain parts of it which are pretty unpleasant to look at (for me) but I can see why some really love their TW....there are quite a few evangelists around here :) What I do not and cannot get used to is that even if Samsung insist on preloading so much stuff on their phones, it should be easy to uninstall each app you dont want or use.

Anyway looking forward to 5.0 on the note and hopefully a cleaner look, better battery and tidier app drawer :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
It's actually got a lot less pre loaded crap on it than the Note 3. There is still a bit of bloat around though I'll agree.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
There's always cm12, which has been out for a few days and you can try in alpha now. But anyway, to stick with touchwiz, apparently the touchwiz version is pushed from December to January.

[youtube]qipGUGBeNKs[/youtube]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
It was never meant to be December.

We thought/hoped it would be.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] fattire:
K.. I was just going off this sentence:

and the Galaxy Note 4, which was also expected to receive the update in December, is now listed as rolling out in January.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
Yeah, they may say that, but I'm just clarifying that Samsung never confirmed December, so for all we know the update wasn't pushed back, it could very well be right on schedule.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hitman42:
Official for january, leak for december thats what I hope
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Play edition starts receiving Android 5.0 Lollipop update

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/12/13/samsung-galaxy-s4-google-play-edition-starts-receiving-android-5-0-lollipop-update/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pikul:
Thats nice for S4 users, its good theyre not forgeting last years S devices

Sent from my Galaxy NOTE 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] isaakmg:
Is posted of the of sammobile link of new about update s4 Google Play Edition. The guy that speak "work in Samsung". .......
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
February or March for Exynos Note 4's??? My god that's a crazy delay :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Can't see that being true. Samsung can't be that slow and stupid. No excuse for that slowness when all other companies are rolling out 5.0 now