[Security Discussion] optimumpro:
Show me where I said that I am the smartest guy? You can't, can you? You just make things up. I looked up your prior posts and I see 90% of the time arguments for the sake of arguments and in almost every message you say that others are stupid, dumb, wrong, know nothing, don't know what they are talking about, make you laugh, while you contribute here and there all the time, that you figured out things experts say now many years ago. Most of your facts are unrelated to the arguments you are trying make. And quite often you make up statements that were never said by others and then start arguing with them. I see it as an ego problem and desire to show how smart you are and how dumb are the others, which makes this discussion unproductive...

"Snowden never said that" : you are plainly wrong again: He said and I am quoting: "Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on." But the only reason I referenced Snowden was that you cited him first. He is certainly no expert on most things he is opining...

Soundrecorder has no internet access. You are clearly wrong. Just look up the manifest, internet permission is listed there right after permission to record audio. You just can't stop making up things.

If I don't use the cloud, why am I on XDA? Isn't it obvious?! I don't put private data on XDA. My contacts, e-mail, my location data, my hardware; phone's serial, imei, simcard number, mac are not on XDA unlike in Google, Facebook or any other site that provides an internal app installed on your phone.

IPs addresses. As I said, those are shown as kernel pings and TCP transmissions (also by kernel).

Google: enough about this evil company. Had we not had Google, our internet would have been faster and smoother and when we visited a web site, our browser wouldn't have made 40 other instant connections to different sites (mostly google related). But unfortunately, had we not had Google, we would have had another private branch of three letter agencies called Shmoogle. Just google their history and how they were founded and funded.

It always amazes me when people say show me the proof. Can you show me the proof that GSF does not spy on me? Show you the proof? Have you examined 20 gigs of data that is android source? Have you gone through each file? I haven't. You haven't and no developer ever will, because you need years of wasted time for this. By the way, you haven't answered my question and I ask it again: Have you seen GSF source code? No one has, unless they work for Google. So, what is the basis for your saying GSF doesn't spy? There isn't any basis. As I have already said, you make up things. That GSF phones home regularly is a known and undisputed fact and if you can get rid of it, which you can, that's a valuable advice.. And by the way, the fact that Google, Apple, Microsoft, Mozilla (and almost everybody else) disclose to you their spying, does not excuse spying/tracking. It just makes it more cynical. Can you tell me why a simple hello world test app asks for serial number, inet and other stuff that is not in the Manifest? The dev never put it there. It is in API. Show you the proof...

Things are more complicated than "show you the proof" mantra. Most of the time you have dots and you need to have and use your brain to connect them. And you need a brain beyond development/programming skills or an ability to write a few java files. If we ever are going to get rid of Google and evil forces behind it, it is not going to be done by developers/programmers/security experts, especially those who derive their living from Google and other affiliated with three letter agencies sources, which, by the way, include Tor people, Textsecure people, Guardian Project folks, just to name a few. And those who refuse to cooperate end up being indicted...

Again, this discussion is very unproductive for the reasons I stated above. So, let's just stop here...