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[Nexus 9 General] angryshuna:
I agree. It's slower than I expected and disappointing. I hope that once the major roms get their kinks worked out and developers get more comfortable with the 64 bit architecture that there will be more development.
[Nexus 9 General] cor_mann:
It's really unfortunate. I won't excuse the various hardware issues, but I actually look forward to the opportunity to improve the software of my N9 using ROMs and kernels. That's why I love android and come to XDA.

I can't help but feeling that the N9 review and subsequent comparison with the iPad over at that android-enthusiast site (not sure whether I'm allowed to say the name, but I think many of you know which site I'm referring to) directly impacted the popularity of this device within the android community. I expect mainstream sites to bash Nexus devices and make endless comparisons to Apple products, but it hit pretty hard coming from an Android site. When a site devoted to all things Android basically tells readers to buy an iPad instead, the community is bound to lose interest.

At the risk of assigning too much credit to that review, I'm becoming convinced that it has set off some sort of "change" in the Android community. More and more, I'm seeing individuals that were likely Android-enthusiasts like myself write off the N9 and Lollipop because of that review. It's like they forgot why they loved Android to begin with. We have what may be the first device with a processor and GPU as powerful or more powerful than the latest iPad, and no one wants to touch it. Just look at the Batterylife thread: all you see is rampant comparisons to the iPad. Why is it suddenly so important that an Android device's battery life match an Apple device's? Why not compare its battery life to other Android tablets? Why is the decision regarding which tablet to purchase suddenly only between the N9 and an iPad? What about all the other Android tablets? It's like they don't exist. (And I don't buy that it's the aspect ratio. This obsession with the aspect ratio has set off a false narrative that the N9 is the only true Android alternative to the iPad - as if Samsung and Sony wouldn't rather folks buy their tablets instead of Apple's). This situation is par for the course within the mainstream tech community, but not normally at Android enthusiast sites and XDA.

Anyway...sorry...just had to rant for a bit.
[Nexus 9 General] ram130:
Who cares if it's more powerful than an iPad when apps aren't there to fully use it. Sure. In time. Same story. I'm a experienced Android user. Who just got an iPad to test things out. Color me surprised. The sites weren't bashing the N9 to just bash it. They were talking truth. Whether that hurts you or not, it's mostly facts from my experience of going through 3 replacements. Battery life doesn't compare to my Nexus 7. It's more comparable to a phone battery life. Only a fool with no choice would accept that. I WANT to love it. Just like what MKBHD said. Maybe some issues will get worked out. Many are returning it too. Devs. Well. They're in a mix bag and trail of thought now. But it's not worth the high price anymore.
[Nexus 9 General] cor_mann:
Who's "truth" were they talking? Certainly not mine. I have very few of the issues mentioned in the reviews - not that all of the reviews bashed it. I fully acknowledge that it may be your "truth" (and even the reviewers'), but it does not necessarily represent everyone's. I never generalized my experience to the point that it represents anyone's other than my own - nor should you. I understand your frustration, but I don't share it. I may be a "fool", but I guess ignorance is bliss in this case.

To answer your question: I care that it's powerful. Android devices have always been a step behind in this department. I was pretty excited to see that an Android device might actually catch up. I am also willing to take the risk that the apps will catch up. That said, I respect the fact that you may not be (but I'd imagine the apps are the least of your concerns with the various hardware issues).

And why do you assume that I'm offended that you might prefer the iPad? The iPad is a fantastic device. It doesn't surprise me that anyone might prefer it. My "observation" is merely that some discussions at a forums dedicated to the N9 (and Android enthusiast sites) have been uncharacteristically dominated by references and comparisons to the iPad vice other Android tablets.

I apologize if I wasn't clear. I am not concerned with the "bashing", as you put it. Bash away. My point is that the discussions at sites dedicated to Android devices (and this forum) have taken on a different tone than with previous devices, IMHO. Go look at the reviews on the various Android sites and tell me how often per review they directly compare a device to an Apple device. These are Android enthusiast sites. One would naturally expect comparisons between and among Android devices, which is how it's generally been in the past. How is it not noteworthy that one of these sites took it upon itself to dedicate a long point-by-point comparison article to the N9 and Air 2, especially after its review was already littered with comparisons? It takes only a modicum of reason to realize that most people peruse Android enthusiast sites to read about Android devices. Not that Android and Apple enthusiasts are mutually exclusive., but there are scores of mainstream tech sites that provides ample comparisons between devices of all types - not to mention sites dedicated specifically to Apple devices.
[Nexus 9 General] AstroDigital:
What site is bashing the Nexus 9, none I read.

The reviews I read do not give it glowing reviews but do not bash it either.

Here is an example of a review,

http://www.engadget.com/products/htc/nexus/9/

As far as battery life,

I am a fool.....

The average for battery life is 8 out 10, lots of fools I guess.

The Nexus 9 is not the Nexus 7 or iPad, I wish people stop comparing two unrelated products.
[Nexus 9 General] draco259:
It took awhile for the 2013 N7 to get ANY development, and even longer for the N10. There just isn't a huge market for Android tablets.
[Nexus 9 General] ram130:
Great points. I did. Didn't meant it has completely saying it's bad. So I take back my choice of words. Thanks. I'm hopeful the Android tablet will rule. I've read the reviews too. Even so it will help push tablet apps. But I'm patient. Just wish Google took more attention to detail.

Well If I got that I'd be good. But I don't use my tablet for video.
[Nexus 9 General] mrshades812:
I too have been surprised with the lack of development on this device. I understand it is a new architecture, being 64 bit, but how about a stock rooted rom?

That is usually the first thing to come out, but I guess we don't have a developer with the device to be able to cook up a stock, rooted rom? What we need to do is get together and donate a device to [MENTION=426561]scrosler[/MENTION]. He is a beast at busting out stock roms for the N7 within minutes it seems!
[Nexus 9 General] Migamix:
well, let me throw in a few feelings on this

you can go look at rootzwiki, hahaha a joke, they almost dont exist and barely have any news , let alone devs anymore. when is the last time you say a news blog point to rootz.

its finals time for school, i personally will be taking my calculus final in a few hours, so i dont have time to dive into my N9's new update.

the N9 is a new device, and google is releasing a new AOSP build almost weekly, go have a look at slim roms gerrit , and you will see the amount of work they have been doing for the source. (thought not the n9 yet)

there are way to many posts here of complaints, and statistically thats what happens, people are more likely to complain and post negative things, and not so much positive if its working as expected. i have a very nicely working model, and have no reason to RMA it because the buttons are flush. with no screen bleed or overheating issues.

i also dont feel the need to whine and complain about every little thing like im entitled to perfection . (damn kids today) We have come a long way in devices since my first hand held computer (which still works) the tandy pc-8. and now i have devices which were only a scifi prop a mere 10 years ago.

the new version of the OS, its changes to ART, and core linux behaviour, are causing some devs to to have to dig into new programming books, and alot more source code than had remained the same base for so many years. so i already knew not to expect drastic and fast changes to the newer builds.

it will happen, but its only been a month since i received my device, and hell, the protective cases are not even here yet. ( i found development for the n7 did not get going heavily for at least 2 months after release.

as for attitude on this site, it will happen when one nerd tries to outnerd another, feeling like everyone should already be up to snuff on how to use a editor to edit their settings.db, thats not reality, every single person here was a noob at one time or another, and got help from someone to learn their skill, maybe posters will try to remember that. if you dont have a question, or an answer, think about the reason you are posting, if its to bash someone asking why they cant get a fastboot command to work, help them. we have all left a ";" out at the end of our code at one time or another.

chainfire has been one hell of a bum busting dev, and everyone should toss a few beer/coffee bucks in his direction. i feel he kickstarted the n9's life.
[Nexus 9 General] albsat:
What ever it is, I joined the nexus 9 family. I will be getting the tablet this weekend.
[Nexus 9 General] cor_mann:
I apologize for sounding snarky. I don't want to minimize your frustrations. I can see that you're an android enthusiast (I probably would have given up on finding a quality unit well before you do/did). In many ways, your willingness to share your criticisms may help push Google to address some of the glaring issues with Android and the N9's hardware. I shouldn't have referenced the batterylife thread, because I don't want people to think that it's only their comments that have led to my rant. It's a combination of things.

This probably sounds silly, but I like to think of us android enthusiasts as the people who habitually root for the underdog. We look for virtues (humbleness, etc) in the teams that get completely punished by the opposition. I'm a Redskins fan (sorry...very American reference), so I feel this oh-too-keenly. I know this sounds silly since Google is a multi-billion dollar company, but in the world of tech, Android devices are still perceived as inferior to Apple devices. In other words, they are the underdog.

I get that we shell out hard-earned money for these devices so we deserve to be taken care of. But I feel like it's the intangibles that Android brings to the table - even at its worst - that attract me (customization, more openness, freedom, etc.). I feel like the Android community shares this feeling. I can come to these sites and read/discuss Android devices without the inevitable "just buy an Apple [insert device here]" refrain. I go to Apple sites to read about Apple (or the mainstream tech sites). For me, Android is not about the "perfect" phone or tablet. It's about the process of making it better, which naturally relies on help from people who are much more skilled and knowledgeable than myself. I don't frequent Apple forums much, but I cannot imagine they have the same feeling of community that Android users have. Our developers spend their precious time making people's lives - whom they don't know from Adam - a little bit better at virtually no cost to us - much like Linux and other open-source devs do. Where else in our lives does that happen.

Rightly or wrongly, I feel like the brouhaha caused by some Android sites' uncharacteristic iPad-like expectations for the N9 have directly or indirectly weakened the community response to the N9. I don't want to see people simply give up on the N9 because some Android reviewers implied that it's just better to get an iPad.
[Nexus 9 General] di11igaf:
It would only take 5 minutes but what's the point? You're on the stock ROM, if you want to flash something you already have recovery, literally you just download this and flash it. Rooted stock ROM. With a nexus you always have googles images to flash. If you have recovery rooting them is only a flash away.

I'm not being smart, I'm seriously asking is that something people actually want?
[Nexus 9 General] Gormsen:
Mate, I've read all you've said, and I have to say that I agree with you all the way. You really hit the nail on it's head. When I got my first Android it was the HTC Wildfire, horrible device, but when I heard about what rooting was and what it could do I got exited! There was a possibility to make it better.. This feeling continued through my Desire S and One X. But when I got the Nexus 5, it sort of halted. I got an amazing device without much hazzle and now on the OnePlus One I'm running stock rooted.. The excitement is gone.. But now we have the opportunity once again. A device which leaves much to be improved and optimized, just like the old days. I, for one, am really looking forward to see this beast reach its full potential and I'm enjoying the ride to get there :D

Smashed down on the mighty Nexus 9
[Nexus 9 General] jsgiv:
The key issue is that the tablet market is saturated now... Tablets are actually on a downswing currently (even with iPads, etc.). With the recent introduction and trend towards larger phones, the lines become further blurred.

I think the slow adoption of the N9 is not only impacted by this downswing, but also add in the price point it's coming in at compared to the various competing tablets. Add in the wildly varying reviews (though most of them are fairly consistent in that lollipop is great, the hardware is sufficient, but most are disappointed in one aspect or another)... I'm not surprised at the low adoption rate to-date with the tablet. MKBHDs review echoes my issues perfectly... Software is great... Hardware is ok but it needs to drop in price...

I've returned my unit "for now" until the price drops and, hopefully in the meantime, the nitpicks on the hardware can be addressed with the build quality.

I expect once the LTE version comes out we will see a price drop and hopefully the QC is in check by then .... At that point I'll be in the market again to buy it (hopefully for $100-$200 cheaper).
[Nexus 9 General] mrshades812:
I think you missed the point. The topic was community, so I was commenting on the lack of even a stock rom.

Smashed on the N9
[Nexus 9 General] mogators:
I believe the pricepoint is what drove some of the comparison with the ipads. I, like many of you, have waited a long time for the 9 to come out. I even set aside the cash to pick up the 32 gig even though it was a lot higher priced than i thought it was going to be. I wanted this to be my first tablet.

I had purchased a 1st Gen 7 for my wife for Christmas two years ago and she loves that thing. Once I started seeing the negative reviews and posts about the poor build quality I reconsidered.

So on Black Friday I jumped on the $199 8.4 tab pro deal. Great little tablet for the money But I sure wanted to join the Nexus Club. Maybe later when the price comes down and they get some of the bugs worked out it will be worth the premium.
[Nexus 9 General] emd2009:
That's because the nexus 9 is DOA
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
just give it time
[Nexus 9 General] admkjz:
...

mmm
[Nexus 9 General] Migamix:
this is the now gimmegimme generation. if the something works but has minor flaws, or the new Roms are not compiled with all of the little tweaks before source is released. they won't be happy. I dare anyone complaining there is no development for the n9 to look over every line of code themselves. don't forget this 64bit pointers. ICS had some of the same hickups. and that was with honeycomb being out already.
[Nexus 9 General] dianestory2:
And I think that tablet sales are just down altogether, so perhaps it will pick up after Christmas or something
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
They are probably waiting for the revision
[Nexus 9 General] _Infamous_:
Development is so horrible on this tablet I never seen a Nexus device with this low amount of development.
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
Just calm down

it will get better
[Nexus 9 General] dianestory2:
hahahahaha It will alllll be okay
[Nexus 9 General] _Infamous_:
Maybe but its not going to be huge most devs think the nexus 9 is overpriced and don't like the tegra processor.
[Nexus 9 General] abrahamjones:
Agreed

We need the community
[Nexus 9 General] joshndroid:
Seriously think the entitlement has gone a little to far. To much complaining about the precise rock in the volume buttons, seriously, it's just complaining for complaining sake these days. i get a little light bleed at the top but whatever, only on certain ways of looking at it and when it boots, big deal.

Once the first other rom that is not pure aosp is released, development will kick right off.

Have a crack at developing something to contribute. The guys here are working hard but also need a life, especially as it's the Christmas season.

I personally think the device is great
[Nexus 9 General] _Infamous_:
It hasn't gone to far, its ridiculous to pay such high price and have all this issues. My first tablet I had really bad light bleed and the buttons were sticking, my second tablet the light bleed was better but the back was popping off and peeling, now on my third tablet the light bleed is better but the right bottom corner of my tablet pops in and out and this tablet is laggy.
[Nexus 9 General] mva5580:
I have been wanting to move away from my iPad for years now to an acceptable android tablet replacement...and unfortunately they just don't exist.

Whether its hardware issues, battery life, bloated software, the "need" to root/install custom roms for a solid experience, or whatever else, it just seems like android tablets lag behind. It's a shame, because I love the OS and how it works. I'm typing this on a Nexus 6. But there just always seems to be multiple things about android tablets that make me feel like I would be downgrading if I got rid of my iPad.
[Nexus 9 General] Hashbang173:
Might have something for you guys in the near future. (Custom ROM)....
[Nexus 9 General] avilancaster:
I can fully understand that. I use android tablets almost exclusively for downloading and emulating older games that I can't do with anything apple. (that, and read kindle stuff) But I"m sure that I dont use the tablet to it's fullest potential, as some of the other people on here do.
[Nexus 9 General] mva5580:
I guess maybe I'm just expecting a little too much out of Android tablets when comparing them to iPad's which I've owned forever. I've tried a Xoom, a Galaxy Tab S, a Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, a Nexus 10, a Nexus 7, and I just keep going back to the 9.7" iPad. I guess I just need to acknowledge and accept the differences between the 2 and pick whichever positives are more important to me.

A 16gb iPad Air 2 costs $500 but 1) There is no expandable storage and 2) it does not have the software flexibility of Android, yet you get a nicer piece of hardware and better battery life. You also tend to get more effort on "mainstream" app releases, eBay being a huge example. Their iPad app is fantastic; their Android app is not even comparable.

Where as a 32gb Nexus 9 costs $480 ($430 on Amazon for a little while now though) has the ability to expand storage via OTG, has a more flexible OS, but you sacrifice battery life and more "premium" grade hardware. Their app selection/quality has improved greatly over the years, but it's still not on par with Apple. I mean geez Knights of the Old Republic has been out on iOS for quite a while and it just yesterday finally came to Android. Guess that's what easy downloading of apk's gets you.

A 64gb iPad Air 2 would cost me $600, yet I could theoretically have a 96gb Nexus 9 for not even $500. Or of course you could go with an Android microSD tablet like the Galaxy S and spend around the same $500, but then you lose stock Android and are using whatever skin is tossed on top of it. Why there is no 64gb Nexus 9 I will never understand, but it is what it is.

I guess I just need to accept that there is no "perfect" device for me; which would be something with the build quality/battery life of an iPad running stock Android with 64gb of storage.
[Nexus 9 General] joshndroid:
These days 500 is not lot of money. I am in no way rich but it seems if u want anything these days in tech your going pay minimum 500 on it. I could only afford the 16gb based on exorbitant premium to upgrade to 32gb but OTG sorted that drama out for 15$. Fair enough on serious issues my comment expressed criticism on multiple rma people seem to do these days because of minor issue. You can eek good life out of a product by looking after it.. I have 2 xooms that still work albeit slow but hey they still work. Just my 2c but i won't be engaging this circular argument further, cheers
[Nexus 9 General] mva5580:
You're not going to believe this but today I found a 32gb Black LTE Nexus 9 on Craigslist for $300. It's in perfect condition, and I really don't see any severity to the issues that have been discussed here. The back does not feel like it has any flex at all, there is a little light bleed but nothing to go crazy about, and while the buttons are a little more recessed than other devices I really don't see them as difficult to press. They feel pretty similar to the Nexus 6 buttons except the 6 has the ridged power button, which was a nice touch. Serial starts with HT4BRW.

Anyway for $300, I have nothing to complain about.
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
Lucky
[Nexus 9 General] euhow:
That's awesome.
[Nexus 9 General] nchc:
[MENTION=4759643]Rirere[/MENTION] one of the best posts i have read on xda. Very well written and informative.
[Nexus 9 General] rodrigorajao:
What did you expect? US$500 is iPad money; it'll be compared to iPad. The N9 is a pretty poor value proposition at that price. It has average build, smaller screen, crappy battery life, etc. The N10, which I owned and loved, was a smash hit largely due to its US$299 price tag.

I bought myself a Tab S 10.5 (chagalllte) the moment I learnt the N9 would have a smaller, non-AMOLED screen with light bleed, and crappy battery.
[Nexus 9 General] cor_mann:
Like I said, it's the fact that an android site extensively (and almost exclusively) compared it to the iPad that struck me as noteworthy. I expect the general tech sites to compare devices of all types. And I'm certainty not trying to convince anyone that it's a better proposition than an iPad or any other device (although I'm happy with mine).

I simply expect android enthusiast sites to discuss android devices. Your decision to purchase the Tab S 10.5 alone illustrates my point. I expect to see comparisons between the Nexus 9's IPS screen and the Tab S 10.5's AMOLED. Or whether the N9 is a worthy upgrade to the N10 or N7, price and other factors considered. It's been this way at android sites in the past, so why the change? I feel that that one review contributed greatly to the future discussions and opinions of the N9. One android blogger's feelings took on a life of their own. Suddenly, the N9 is not just a new android tablet in a sea of android tablets: it's an iPad competitor first and foremost (again, my comment is limited to the confines of the android community). Even for android enthusiasts, you're now expected to internally debate the merits off dropping $500 bones on the N9 versus just buying an iPad. For an android enthusiast like me, that's not a primary consideration. Again, I absolutely don't think that my own feelings extend to folks who are open to any tablet platform. Of course, it seems reasonable that someone open to any tablet would be better served by checking out the general tech sites instead of sites that explicitly post their love for all things android.

This is just my opinion. I freely acknowledge that I can't offer any proof.