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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ally Android:
Your not wrong. Back in September, I contacted the company that makes FoxFi and asked them if they were going to update pdaNet to work with Motorola phones running Kit Kat on Verizon's network. This was before the Turbo but it relates to all Motorola phones:

Here was their reply:

At this point we do not know if a solution exists around the WiFi blockage but we will keep looking. A solution has only been found for Samsung, LG or HTC phones, just not Motorola.

You can only use bluetooth mode or USB mode.

Thanks,

June Fabrics PDA Software Support

http://www.junefabrics.com
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
Now you know why is bumming me out, all my previous smartphones I made informed decisions, with the Turbo it was an impulse buy. The phone exceeded my expectations but I failed to do the research into a feature that is very important to me, my wife's Note 3 has hotspot , is not a total disaster but it burns me up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] renegadeone8:
Not gonna say that I have never used workarounds to get tethering on an unsupported data plan, but truth be told you are "stealing" from Verizon by doing so, so I can't really mark the phone down for it. That being said my fingers are crossed that root will be coming soon so that you, and even people like me with a plan that allows tethering can ditch the Verizon app for something better.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
You are not the only that shares the opinion that it is "stealing", I gave up unlimited data for the Turbo, so I pay for a fixed amount of data up front whether I use it or not; since the fixed amount of data is "paid" for how I use it is my business , if I exceed the prepaid amount: again I will pay more for it, the hotspot feature is part of the phone is not "created" by Verizon. All Verizon does is block a feature that comes with my phone to restrict whether I use the data that I pay for up front: on my tablet for example.... I do believe there is "stealing" going on, not by me of that I am sure.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshm.1219:
Exactly. The fact that Verizon charges extra for activating the hotspot feature on tiered data plans is plain wrong, and will be made illegal when the new net neutrality laws fall in place.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ally Android:
I don't know why some think it is stealing when a user has an unlimited plan and they want to use tethering. I pay for an unlimited plan just like others play for a plan that is limited. It isn't stealing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Coronado is dead:
Except that contract you signed says it isn't allowed without a fee and ours doesn't :rolleyes:

Sent from my Droid Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ally Android:
Considering there was no option for using a smartphone as a hot spot when I signed my contract, no it doesn't.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Coronado is dead:
Then talk to Verizon, point it out in your contract, and have them enable it. They have contractual obligations as well.

Although if your contract is really that old I bet it had the 5gb limit before possible disconnect that my original plan did from when they atryed offering data at all. They never enforced it, but it's there. So I don't know how much benefit you'd get over a tiered plan if they decided to enforce for you tethering with something they can track.

Sent from my Droid Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ally Android:
You can't have a 5GB limit on an unlimted plan. Unlimited means unlimited, even the government agrees on this: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/11/01/federal-government-to-att-wireless-unlimited-data.aspx
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Coronado is dead:
Well I am glad to see they finally cracked down on that, because for years unlimited did not really mean unlimited at all, lol.

Sent from my Droid Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ally Android:
Verizon start messing with the unlimited plan back in July of 2011. That is when they first started trying to charge extra for using the hot spot option. Back then it was an additional $30 a month for unlimited use of the hot spot. So you would have had to pay $30 a month for unlimited data and then another $30 a month for unlimited data using hot spot.

Have you seen their latest price structure:

1 GB $40 (Considered Light Usage)

2 GB $50 (Considered Heavy Usage) * Seriously? The Turbo can use that much doing nothing.

3 GB $60

4 GB $70

10 GB $80

15 GB $100 (Was 12 GB)

20 GB $150

30 GB $225

40 GB $300

50 GB $375

60 GB $450

80 GB $600

100 GB $750

No wonder they keep trying to get rid of us unlimited plan users. My unlimited plan is less than the 1 GB plan.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I currently have the 15gb plan, 3 lines,a 4g hotspot device, unlimited talk and text, edge plan on the turbo, ensurion, caller ID, and premium visual voicemail all for $208 a month after taxes. 15gigs seems to be enough for me but if I could I would use much more.

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] renegadeone8:
All of the new tiered data plans (the more everything plans) include tethering for no additional charge. You are on a "legacy" plan that technically no longer exists because it is from a time when not everybody and their dog had a smartphone. You have an option to change that. If there was no tethering when you got your plan then quit living in the stone age. It is perfectly legal for them to change the terms when asking you to sign a new contract. If you want to pay 200 bucks for an 800 dollar phone, you have to sign a contract it's as simple as that.

Yeah it sucks that we all lost unlimited data, but thats they way it is. Your laptop has the capability of pulling WAY more data than any smartphone in the world. There is a reason they don't want you tethering on an unlimited plan. People using it for torrenting, and netflixing on their 60 inch TV have potential to ruin the network quality for everybody else.

Like I said, I have tethered in the past too with third party apps, but you signed a contract that VERY specifically states you aren't allowed to do that, and we are using loopholes to get around it. If they catch you in the act they can do anything from blocking your workaround, to completely dropping you and not allowing you to use their network anymore. I've never heard of it happening, just saying it can. I sell VZW, AT&T, and Sprint service on a daily basis I have read every one of those contracts word for word, and third party tethering apps are very specifically prohibited which makes any other argument a moot point. You signed a paper that said you wouldn't tether without paying for that right.

It's also a straight up fact that 98% of people who got booted from unlimited plans were using less than 2GB per month anyway. It's only people like us here on XDA that are heavy users like that, and our abuse of the system is the entire reason they took away unlimited in the first place. If people hadn't been watching 100GB of netflix and pornhub every month on their smartphones then maybe it would never have become an issue. It isn't designed to replace your home internet service so stop acting like it should perform that way.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ally Android:
Didn't pay $200 for my Turbo, paid full price so I didn't have to sign a new contract and be charged double for a 2GB plan ($50 a month) then I pay for my unlimited data. ($24 a month)

Not true, they didn't come up with charging for the Hot Spot feature until July of 2011. I signed my contract way before then for unlimited data. I've paid full price for my past two phones to keep it. So there is nothing in my contract that says it isn't allowed.

Seriously? Data is data regardless of if you are watching Netflix, YouTube, or just doing emails. The government is already going after AT&T and Verizon because "Unlimited" should mean "Unlimited". There shouldn't be any throttles on the data, blocks on the data, etc.

Don't expect it to be. I have a very good IP at my home. For me it is when I am on the road with the grandkids that I need to have my phone turned on as a hot spot so that they can use their tablets. Ever try to go on a road trip with 8 grand kids ranging in age from 6 to 12?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] renegadeone8:
This is copy and pasted verbatim from a Verizon contract from 2009

PDA/smartphone and BlackBerry® Plans: These VZEmail plans cannot be used: (1) for access to the Internet, intranets, or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to BroadbandAccess Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless Sync or the BlackBerry solution, unless you subscribe to BroadbandAccess Connect.

I was formerly a Verizon employee and now I sell phones for all 3 carriers I know wtf I'm talking about. Your plan falls under PDA/Smartphone plans, and it explicitly describes the need to have BroadbandAccess Connect to use anything that is not a NATIVE phone application. A third party tethering app is not considered native as it doesn't come pre-installed on the device.

It goes on further to say this:

Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, GlobalAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).

You aren't even legally allowed to use it for video streaming, gaming, torrenting, or any other high bandwidth application on those old plans.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
Wifi Hotspot is a native application that Verizon BLOCKS, it is not a third party app.

This is how a Verizon contract should read: Whatever we say is legal because we say so, whatever you think: is wrong, illegal and you the customers are thieves, the only one allowed to steal is Verizon period.

There you go is that better now?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] _tek_:
I don't understand, I have a hotspot option in my settings.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Coronado is dead:
People who have unlimited plans fail the subscription check when enabled I'd assume, because their plan does not include it.

Sent from my Droid Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] _tek_:
Ah, OK, makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] vuphongkkk:
The hotspot on turbo works for me cause I'm using it with 4g lte T-mobile, on 3g and hsdpa it won't work
[Shield Tablet General] Nintonito:
Recently with the delay on 5.0 for the US LTE variant, because of AT&T, I have lost my patience with them. I am looking for a way to rid myself of this BS while maintaining full stock software. I have heard that the variants of the tablet are actually not different, and the firmwares may work on either model. Has anyone tried this? I'm well aware the cell bands supported may change (but my carrier only requires one band, and the WW variant supports one of my carrier's bands). I would love to know if it works, and if I can dirty flash the package to keep my data, since the rom is basically identical.
[Shield Tablet General] shannoncole05:
I flashed OTA posted in general forum for LTE and using it in ATT. Unlocked bootloader, CWM, and root afterwards. I'm not quite sure what you're looking for?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2945023
[Shield Tablet General] CM17X:
Bricks.
[Shield Tablet General] Nintonito:
No what i'm asking is if i could convert my device to the WW variant with a firmware flash, and thus avoid needing to manually flash OTA files becauze of delays. I know this isn't going to be the last update delayed on the US variant so i'm wondering if i can just switch the installed software from the US LTE version to the WW LTE version, without bricking.
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
Yeah.. I am thinking the same thing as well.

If it was possible without bricking the device, I would love to flash the "Rest of the World" firmware on the AT&T set too.
[Shield Tablet General] Nintonito:
You're welcome to try it with the factory images. If it does brick, you can always restore through the same process. I plan on attempting it soon, but i am waiting on a microsd card.
[Shield Tablet General] jaredmorgs:
Theoretically, the only thing that would be changed between builds is the GSM stack. However the OTA between the WW and the US version would not work by default. You'd need to go into the OTA zip and mess around with some of the build.prop info. Which then may cause MD5 mismatches when it is parsed, and would definitely affect subsequent OTA updates because of MD5 mismatches.

If there are Android 5.0 factory images available for the WW ROM you feel would be suitable for your geography, then this would be the safer way to proceed.

I remember when I owned a Samsung Galaxy S2, there was an XDA thread with flashable modems you could push to your device to get better reception in your area. Essentially the differences between the WW and US/CAN versions should only be the GSM stack, and perhaps some carrier-specific bundled app (like the AT&T app for example).
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
Just a quick update for those who are interested:

Well ... I just did it. Successfully flashed the RoW recovery image on the Shield Tablet LTE set which I purchased from US via Ebay. I'm still in the process of restoring but so far everything seems to be working fine.

Confirmed 2 things during the flashing of recovery image,

Quote:

1) Issues of Cellular/Sim Card on the US LTE set is almost certainly Lollipop firmware related. No problems on FW 4.4.2

2) Problem of Wi-Fi authentication error after sharing files via Super Beam ( Wi-Fi direct ) is also resolved after revert to 4.4.2

I think I will be sticking with 4.4.2 for now with the added bonus of file managers working on Kit Kat.
[Shield Tablet General] perky nerky:
Thanks for the update. I am interested in this also.

So i'm assuming from your post you got LTE working? Which country are you in? Where do you get the factory images from?

I live in Australia and have the US LTE version. HSPA+ is good but it would be nice to have LTE working on my network (Telstra).
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
Actually, I don't have a 4G LTE micro sim card with me so I can't verify that at the moment. I am trying to test it out using my friend's sim card and will report back with the results. In my opinion, it's not a good idea to be trying my nano sim on this.

I'm from Singapore and the network I'm on supports LTE Band 3 & 7 and my AT&T Moto X which supports Band 7 works out of the box.

Got them from Nvidia developers website but you have to register for a free account first.
[Shield Tablet General] perky nerky:
Yep I need LTE band 3 for my network which is not supported out of the box by my US LTE shield. If your network supports LTE Band 7 then your shield should also be able to access your LTE network as BOTH the US and RoW LTE shields support LTE Band 7.

So I don't think your experiment will help me. Is there any way finding out which LTE Bands your shield supports now that you have flashed the RoW recovery image?
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
I am not really an expert on such matters but let me try and if it's possible to find out the information you are looking for.

Why not try flashing it and give it a go ? There's the bonus perk of removing the AT&T app from the device.
[Shield Tablet General] inscythe:
Hi, I am currently using US LTE NVIDIA Shield Tablet in Singapore as well. I have successfully flashed the RoW recovery image to my tablet (since I'm downgrading from Lollipop as well, so I thought I might as well try), but I noticed that there is no baseband file in the recovery image package. I proceeded to flash anyway.

One thing I noticed after flashing is that I still am not getting LTE (half of Singapore is band 3, and my home is under its coverage). So, it's pretty safe to say that the baseband is not affected by the factory image.

However, it might also be that the latest recovery image doesn't cover the baseband, and it might be included in the previous updates. So, I'm trying to download the previous recovery images and see whether there are baseband images are there.

EDIT: baseband image is not in there. The baseband version is definitely still for North America (e1729-nala.4.05_0.6.3 [MENTION=754935]786[/MENTION]934, notice the 'na' part?).
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
Sorry I don't really understand ... the RoW software cover for both Band 3 and 7 since the UK edition supports these LTE bands as specified in Nvidia FAQ.

You should still be able to get Band 7 coverage which the NA edition supports as well, right ?

Am I missing something ? :confused:
[Shield Tablet General] perky nerky:
Thank you. That is exactly the information I was looking for. Unfortunately there is no point flashing the RoW recovery image if you wish to change your baseband (and then use different LTE bands like I want to).

Is there anywhere I can download the RoW baseband images? I remember they were readily available for my nexus 4.
[Shield Tablet General] inscythe:
As I said, the image doesn't include the baseband image. So, no matter what you flash on the rom side, it won't matter.

Also, about band coverage in Singapore, it's not a full overlap. Some areas are band 3 (south and west), while some band 7 (North and East). I know this from an M1 engineer friend. So, yeah, no LTE band 3 in this factory image here.

But not all hope is lost. If one day Nvidia decides to update baseband, it will then definitely include the baseband in the OTA or factory image. So, possibility of switching is still there.
[Shield Tablet General] perky nerky:
Was there a baseband update with the latest software update (2.0)?

The factory images for 2.0 have still not been released.

In another strange twist when i turned on my tablet this morning I was surprised to see my US shield had LTE here in Australia. Which means only one thing - Telstra are expanding their LTE spectrum in my area!
[Shield Tablet General] inscythe:
I downloaded the OTA manually and checked the content. It doesn't have any baseband update. Also, just to confirm again, I actually re-installed Lollipop. The baseband is still unchanged (only the suffix @ part changed, but I think it's just some marker).

I checked wikipedia, and it seems that Telstra has band 3 and 28. There's a good chance that they switched your area's band to 3, or they simply add band 7 (the latter is, of course, ideal).

I read that Nvidia is preparing an update to the existing Lollipop system. Hopefully they will include a baseband update, then we can probably make the jump to the RoW ROM. For now, I'm sticking with the US ROM first.
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
Okay ... I see that you are not able to get Band 3 coverage. But just to confirm, you are still able to get band 7 4G LTE coverage on the ROW Rom right ?

My phone 4G LTE is on Singtel, getting pretty good coverage island wide on Band 7. Unfortunately, it's a nano sim and I'm hesitant to test it on the tablet in case in gets jammed inside the slot.

So long everything works fine, I'm sticking with ROW Rom as it will probably not have none of the nonsense whereby it require AT&T approval before release.

Sorry to trouble you on another matter, I have reported this 2 issues to Nvidia customer support but just want to check if it's just my set or an common problem.

1) Cellular data connectivity will not return after enable aeroplane mode. SIM card is subsequently not detected.

2) After sharing files using Wi-Fi direct ( SuperBeam app ), Wi-Fi connection doesn't auto reconnect due to failed authentication. Require manual intervention.

What I can say is this 2 issues no longer occur once I downgraded the software from Android 5.0 back to Kit Kat 4.4.2

---------- Post added at 01:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:46 PM ----------

According to Nvidia faq, the North American version that works on AT&T, T-Mobile and Rogers on LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7, and 17 and HSPA bands 1, 2, 4, 5.

I see that this article ( http://www.cnet.com/au/news/telstra-expands-its-4g-services-including-the-700mhz-band-trials/ ) states that Telstra is conducting trials for 700mhz (Band 17) in your area. Maybe this is why you have begun receiving 4G LTE reception in your area ?
[Shield Tablet General] perky nerky:
I initially thought it may have been the planned 700mHz expansion by Telstra in my area HOWEVER Telstra's 700mHz expansion is actually Band 28 (not Band 17) and my US shield does not work on Band 28 out of the box. Although LTE Band 17 and 28 both use the 700mHz spectrum they both use different parts of that spectrum so are not compatible.

What I think has happened is there is some LTE Band 7 coverage in the middle of town here which is where I was when I got LTE coverage today. As I understand it Telstra has some limited LTE Band 7 coverage with most of the LTE network being Band 3........ so I'll still have to wait until I can flash a RoW baseband which will hopefully give me Band 3.....
[Shield Tablet General] inscythe:
I am also using Singtel, but I am unable to get any LTE whatsoever. The RoW ROM does not change the baseband whatsoever, so the original US bands support on band 7 still doesn't change.

Are you sure that you are currently on band 7? I just confirmed with my friend again earlier today, and he mentioned that most of Singapore is in fact under band 3, with some smaller pockets of band 7 in certain areas (depending on the telcos, so he can't comment on Singtel). I guess the easiest way to check is by getting your phone SIM card on your tablet and see whether LTE is active (I did it yesterday, and it was still HSPA+ only).

The first issue, regarding the airplane mode, I don't experience that whatsoever. Works fine under 5.0 Lollipop. For the second issue, the SuperBeam-related one, I can reproduce the issue. However, if you have another different device running Lollipop, you might want to try them first before asking Nvidia. It might be a general Lollipop issue.
[Shield Tablet General] xonix240719mu:
Well... I am not sure how to reply on this as Moto X XT1058 LTE band 7 is not officially advertised by AT&T. But it is generally recognized to support 4G (LTE ) Bands:17, 2, 4, 5, 7

I came to know about it via XDA forums members and it has been since tested by forum members both overseas and in Singapore that it can reach 4G LTE speeds in Singapore

I live in the Northern area of Singapore, it's probably why I can get reception for this frequency. Singtel are believed to have deployed the 2600mhz spectrum along the coastal areas of Singapore.
[Shield Tablet General] perky nerky:
I am a little frustrated with all of this LTE band juggling - especially if the LTE modem is software configurable as has been suggested. Why doesn't NVIDA release the UNLOCKED shield tablet with all of it's available bands rather than having regional differences as they do now?

Apple can put these LTE bands in it iPhone 6:

1 (2100 MHz)

2 (1900 MHz)

3 (1800 MHz)

4 (AWS)

5 (850 MHz)

7 (2600 MHz)

8 (900 MHz)

13 (700c MHz)

17 (700b MHz)

18 (800 MHz)

19 (800 MHz)

20 (800 DD)

25 (1900 MHz)

26 (800 MHz)

28 (700 APT MHz)

29 (700 de MHz)

38 (TD 2600)

39 (TD 1900)

40 (TD 2300)

41 (TD 2500)
[Shield Tablet General] inscythe:
I was just at the bus stop outside my office (near Lavender MRT), and I got full bars of LTE. So, yeah, there are definitely pockets of band 7 in Singapore.

About adding bands, it's literally due to carrier pressure. Remember the time that iPhone only worked with AT&T? Anyway, for Quallcomm devices, there are ways to add LTE bands, search for them in the forum!