yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG Optimus G Pro] TR.Costica:
it is possible to install the v20d , while the phone its not in download mode ?

it is possible to install the v20d , while the phone its not in download mode ? how i said , my usb is a little broken , and i dont know when the phone is connected and not, the cable most stay in certain position to charge the phone. and when phone its open , i can see lg software active, but in download mode, i cant assure that the conexion is good... i just should buy another usb cable, but till then , its possible to instal v20d with the phone opened?
[LG Optimus G Pro] TR.Costica:
error code 1

I flashed v20d and rooted , installed freegee , but give error code 1. And says that my f240l20d is not supported. Dont let me install cwm :( what to do :(?
[LG Optimus G Pro] hassanulhaq:
Download mod and device manger

well when phone is in download mod it will be shown in device manger but its batter to get new usb cable bcz its safe side of game in case of broken usb chances of brick are very high. and Always quote my name in post.
[LG Optimus G Pro] TR.Costica:
error code 1

Error code 1

I flashed v20d and rooted , installed freegee , but give error code 1. And says that my f240l20d is not supported. Dont let me install cwm , what to do ? I installed v20d and the link is in faq . in the original post with the explication for insstaling.
[LG Optimus G Pro] TR.Costica:
error security boot. cool :((

yee, my phone gives me errot boot security , hell ya. i am trying to get back to stock , and i will leave him stock. at least , can you help me with erasing the ****ing korean apps ?
[LG Optimus G Pro] hassanulhaq:
getting back to stock first

First of all get back to stock first by offline kdz flash method

first of all download the kfz file for your cell this one

http://pkg02.xcdn.gdms.lge.com/dn/downloader.dev?fileKey=FW867606432109876543213/F240L20g_00.kdz

now flash your file

once u r at stock let me know i will guide different and easy method to you and let u install g3 port or removed Korean bloatware version,
[LG Optimus G Pro] TR.Costica:
i got my phone back to life

ready. finally i bought a new usb cable , and my phone it.s alive again. so , if you can to give me the easy way :d, it.s perfect.
[LG Optimus G Pro] hassanulhaq:
New Method

First of all congrats on usb and then getting back ur cell to life

Now follow this method

1) First of all root your cell with roottool

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By_5WblOmCH2RDRSVXlSVHZOUU0/view?usp=sharing

=> For rooting extract the tool on your desktop

=> Now enable usb debuggig on your phone

=> Connect your cell with pc

=> Click on run.bat

=> Follow the instructions and get your Phone routed.

2) Now click download recovery apk for gpro

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By_5WblOmCH2RDVqVU42ZHBqNFU/view?usp=sharing

=> Install apk

=> open apk and then click flash recovery

3) Download this freegee apk file

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By_5WblOmCH2bTdTaTlaQmlvRVE/view?usp=sharing

=> open apk backup your efs

=> click on cwm 6.0.4.7

=> when action in performed

=> reboot your cell to recovery

=> to make sure everything is going well.

4) now copy this file

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By_5WblOmCH2VHUweEJhcFk0QmM/view?usp=sharing

to your downloaded v7 folder and replace it with orignal one

5) copy your restore folder to

=> data/clockworkmod/backup/

=>reboot into recovery restore your data and flash your baseband

u have e988 now.:D:D:D:D:D
[LG Optimus G Pro] TR.Costica:
ok.thanks

I will folow this but in weekend when i have more time. Rest of thime is spent at work. Thank you so much for your help :)
[LG Optimus G Pro] hassanulhaq:
download this file
[LG Optimus G Pro] masud2046:
Error

After start my phone i cant hear any caller sound when i receive or give any call...?????plz help

And battery is too much drained why????

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[LG Optimus G Pro] masud2046:
Plz give ur ans..............I m waiting:angel::angel::angel:
[LG Optimus G Pro] masud2046:
Bugg

I cant hear anything during voice calling
[LG Optimus G Pro] heimdallZ:
I want to install this rom on my E980 so where is his download link please ??
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
* Standard disclaimer:
* Your warranty is now void. Use at your own risk.
* In other words: It is your choice to use this kernel
* I am not responsible for any damage or problems!

Built with androideabi-4.8

Branch used to compile - Builded from CyanogenMod sources

Name of the defconfig - cyanogenmod_nicki_defconfig

Overclocked to 1.6GHz

No GPU overclocking

Reboot into recovery

Flash zip with kernel

Reboot

New version here (6 Jan. 2015)

XDA:DevDB Information

Overclocked kernel for CM12, Kernel for the Sony Xperia M

Contributors

FindYanot, PecanCM

Kernel Special Features: Overclock

Version Information

Status: Alpha

Created 2014-11-23

Last Updated 2014-12-21
[Sony Xperia M] iks8:
Can you make one with lower oc? Like 1,3ghz? Some of phones can't handle 1,6 :/
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
Use Android Tuner.

And set 1.3GHz.
[Sony Xperia M] iks8:
But will this set speed for both cores? I remember that in cm 11 it was setting only for one core.

And what about mp-decision? It won't be able to set 1,6 anyway?

Ok I've checked that and it works as it should. Great job
[Sony Xperia M] Richardsentosa:
anyone facing the problem with recovery?
[Sony Xperia M] Bonoboo:
Yep, for me it's not CWM.

Maybe we now have dedicated partition for recovery due this commit
[Sony Xperia M] ace312:
I'd like to inform you that currently this thread is violating the GPL laws of xda, as the kernel source is missing! So, as a reminder, upload the kernel sources before an action is taken :)

And, good job :) The kernel is running great!
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
Ok!

I will upload kernel source on github tomorrow.
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
excuse me sir? can you tell me how to backup the stock kernel? so i can restore my kernel with recovery mode if my device not boot correctly after flash this kernel? i use cm12?
[Sony Xperia M] yogesh448:
Flash boot.img of CM12 in flashtool using fastboot mode if you want your old recovery back(TWRP).
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
ooooo, so if flash this kernel are my recovery will change too?:confused:
[Sony Xperia M] yogesh448:
yes..i did the same..will get to your old recovery
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
what kind of recovery? CWM or TWRP?
[Sony Xperia M] yogesh448:
TWRP
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
ok:)
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
Complete. Version with CWM in first post.
[Sony Xperia M] bojar94:
Is possible to get TWRP with this kernel?
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
Great kernel and waiting update for beta build .. :good:
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
I have exams until tuesday.

Please wait.
[Sony Xperia M] kagerou001:
flashed the Stable version, I got bootloop. The kernel is pretty big. 20mb? does it affect the booting time?
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
First version for alpha cm12.

Please wait.

I will compile new kernel soon.
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
I'm using this kernel for Beta 1 version of cm12. Works fine. Haven't checked wifi though.

Btw, thank you very much for the kernel.
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
Thanks for this kernel, good performance 1,6Ghz but this make my device overheat and battery drain again, so I choose to back to stock kernel. But this kernel is awesome bro !!
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
sir, can i apply this kernel to beta 2? :confused:
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
You can but App2SD will stop working.
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
ok, app2sd stop working? why?:confused:

if stopped may be refuse untill this kernel is get newer update:D
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
[MENTION=5804988]FindYanot[/MENTION]

Can i request oc kernel for beta 2 :o
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
New version here
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
Try it now and report .. :D

Edit:

After flashing the awesome kernel from you [MENTION=5804988]FindYanot[/MENTION] ..

-App2sd not working

-root acsess is lost ..

I love it, but please make app 2 sd working again ..

Thang's ..
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
1. For app2SD use Link2SD.

2. Flash superuser via CWM / TWRP
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
1. Do i need to partition my sdcard for using link2sd?
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
Still not working :crying:
[Sony Xperia M] Vaste92:
I do not have OC on beta 2 with 20/12 kernel.
[Sony Xperia M] Nicklas Van Dam:
For link 2 sd, I think you need a second partition for your external memory bro
[Sony Xperia M] XtremeWave:
No Wondering, will flash

What problem? Gonna flash it a few minutes later(20 Mins approx.) I wonder if it supports the CM12 Beta 2 for Nicki

---------- Post added at 09:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:10 AM ----------

Umm.... Does it work for Beta 2 of CM12? I'm KIND of sure so I'll flash it
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
Just keep trying, eventually it will be moved to SD
[Sony Xperia M] droidvoodoo:
No root access

Does this kernel even support root access... since i flashed this kernel my device acts all strange..... firstly it doesn't show GHz of clock speed... secondly it does not provide root access it says "device is not rooted" while the device status says otherwise. Look into it soon plz.... if possible post a backup of stock kernel . I am using C1904 running on http://xdaforums.com/xperia-m/orig-development/rom-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12-t2948220 and am using TWRP recovery.
[Sony Xperia M] raghu18:
How are you guys making this kernel work

I flashed this kernel/recovery, after flashing Beta 2 CM12 by Pacman. now my mobile doesn't have root. I already tried flashing supersuser but that didn't help. Please post link to supersuser to be flashed.

Second, even after flashing cpu-z, cpu-spy and report no increase in clock speed. the range of clock speeds is still same

Please Help, what am I missing here ?????
[Sony Xperia M] Mihir R:
Works fine great job :good:
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
Sorry, i compile bad kernel without OC. Please wait!

I will compile new kernel soon.

And happy new year! :)
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
New version!

With TWRP

Download
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
Wow, brightness is very nice for my eyes and my battery :D

Bay the way, app2sd always say failed ..
[Sony Xperia M] aravindangc:
Link 2 sd

Use link2sd. Usual app2sd will not store the entire app + data to card.

Create a separate partition in your sd card with ext4 partition type. and you can use link2sd to move the app completely to sd card.
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
Does ext4 partition work? Do you use it?
[Sony Xperia M] nhanmeo:
app2sd don't move, not work
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
I not like link2sd, i love app2sd .. :eek:
[Sony Xperia M] droidvoodoo:
Thanks for the TWRP recovery and OC, but Apps2SD is not working, i moved many gb of apps installed on sd card with the kernel which came with stock CM12. For the time being i'm switching back to the stock kernel.... Plz try to fix the App2SD for the next update. Thnx in advance.
[Sony Xperia M] Arturiuz!:
this is only for OC'ng for now.at the moment,use Link2SD apps to sd.it works! ;)
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
I get this when I try Link2SD
[Sony Xperia M] XtremeWave:
Umm...FinYanot, are u going to make another oc kernel that's cwm?

I'd like this kernel just as 1.6 Ghz CWM
[Sony Xperia M] Arturiuz!:
hmmm..i'm now not sure because it works for me and i don't get that error u got there. :confused:
[Sony Xperia M] aravindangc:
Ext4 partition with Primary label

Yes i use Ext4 partition and set as primary. That works best for link2sd.

I used Minitool partition wizard to do that.
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
Ext4 works very well! Thank you.
[Sony Xperia M] fackrul27:
link2sd

can u give a tutorial for partition sdCard? please...:rolleyes:
[Sony Xperia M] Arturiuz!:
this should help & answer your question:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2236566
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
2 all

Many people ask the question "Why App2SD not working?"

Answer here.

Because [MENTION=4343949]PecanCM[/MENTION] not added app2sd option on kernel source(why? Very secret code?)

On FXP 01.10 app2sd not working (without fix).
[Sony Xperia M] XtremeWave:
Simple.. Just open ur CM12 ROM zip in Winrar then extract the boot.img from that to the place where adb and fastboot files are on ur PC

Then boot ur XM into fastboot, then- "fastboot flash recovery boot.img" or "fastboot flash:rawboot recovery boot.img"

The second one i used once for an problem
[Sony Xperia M] TheRealSS:
Theme Engine fonts don't work when I use this kernel. Works fine on default cm12 kernel though.
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
Wait.

I will compile new kernel soon :)
[Sony Xperia M] raghu18:
System UI stopped, Tried all ways

Hi, I have official cm12 with cyanogen recovery. when I select the boot_oc_cm12 zip to flash, it says error some problem with packaging footer. Then i extraded the boot.img and flashed it directly using fastboot flash boot boot.img. But now when I reboot CM12 says system UI has stopped.

I even tried flashing the boot_oc_cm12.zip through a cwm recovery but still cm12 says system ui stopped. No matter how I do, as soon as I flash this zip, my CM12 runs into system ui stopped errors.

Please tell me what am I doing wrong ?. how is it working for you guys ??
[Sony Xperia M] ByronFer:
use TWRP reocvery instead of cyanogen, and flash your rom again..... thats the problem.... :) What i did to solve the problem was..

1 flash twrp recovery through fastboot

2 wipe everything except SdCard (from recovery)

3 flash ROM, flash Gapps, flash OC kernel

4 reboot and wait.... wait a lot... lol... hope that helps... :)
[Sony Xperia M] ByronFer:
Ok Never mind, problem came back after rebooting phone.... so I think its a general bug..... :( :( :( :(
[Sony Xperia M] Vaste92:
I have got the same bug. I solved it by reflashing stock cm12 kernel.
[Sony Xperia M] raghu18:
If you flash stock kernel. You will loose overclocking

Thanks for replying. Can you provide the link of which Stock cm12 kernel you are refering to. The one In official CM12 zip ?, if so how did you extract only the Kernel ?

And If you flashed back the stock kernel You would be overwriting the Over Clocked kernel ? Which means you will loos the ability to set processor speed upto 1.6Ghz right ?
[Sony Xperia M] Bonoboo:
Just flash CM again.

Or open it's ZIP, extract boot.img and flash it via fastboot / Flashtool.
[Sony Xperia M] Vaste92:
I have just extracted the boot.img file from the zip, then I flashed it via fastboot (command: fastboot flash boot boot.img).

BTW, you will loose the overclock ability.
[Sony Xperia M] Vaste92:
I just found a way to solve the system UI crash: just delete the torch tile from the quick setting panel. Just go to setting, notification panel.

For me that solved the bug. Hope it helps ;)
[Sony Xperia M] thichthat:
I'm using this kernel for blisspop v2.0 and it runs so smoothly!

btw, can you add Undervolt and USB fast-charge from Elixer's kernel to the next version?

(Elixer's kernel here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2513677 )
[Sony Xperia M] FindYanot:
Undervolt - OK.

USB FC - No. My kernel - clean kernel. No "VERY WOWW COOL" features. Only OC.
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
Really?

You are use kernel based 4.1 to 5.0, and booting perfectly!

Can you give me step by step to use that?
[Sony Xperia M] manal.21sinha:
Works on my C1904 with RR 5.3.7

I implemented the above suggestion and then flashed the kernel, and it works! No FCs, very stable! Great job, FindYanot. And Thank You, Vaste92 for the fix :)
[Sony Xperia M] manal.21sinha:
EDIT: Bug: Camera FC

Just found out that Camera keeps on force closing. On installing third party apps, it shows "Couldn't load camera, is it being used by another application?". Maybe that's why the flashlight toggle was also causing problems with SystemUI since flashlight control is through camera access only. If this bug could be fixed, then great. Going back to stock kernel for now.
[Sony Xperia M] Vaste92:
Camera FC because of the torch.
[Sony Xperia M] manal.21sinha:
So are you able to load the camera? I don't think there is another way to access the torch apart from accessing through camera.
[Sony Xperia M] thichthat:
No, we can't. But we can use some source codes from 4.1 kernel. All changed codes was compressed in commits file.

I don't have much time now so I can't setup my ubuntu workplace to build this kernel
[Sony Xperia M] vibhorchaudhary:
Can v use this kernel with this rom-> CM12 http://xdaforums.com/xperia-m/orig-development/rom-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12-t2948220
[Sony Xperia M] kurtbvb:
SystemUI crashed

Flashed the zip from TWRP and rebooted twice and it says "SystemUI has stopped working"
[Sony Xperia M] Bonoboo:
Because it outdated.

Flash CM's ZIP again to restore kernel.
[Sony Xperia M] kurtbvb:
I just restored the back up, took a few mins :p
[Sony Xperia M] itsnie:
Dude [MENTION=5804988]FindYanot[/MENTION] where you go?

I really miss your work :rolleyes:

Sent from my waifu
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] k2wl:
FAQs

1. How to activate battery saver mode??

Going to system settings, Search and typing battery saver this will go to a menu and there you can activate saver mode

2. Most worked rom version???

20150220 everything works 100% .calls ,sms (according to @osssinator)

but generally the updated builds contain more fixes...so trying out them is better idea with keeping older stable build handy...incase something goes wrong

3. battery drain issues

read this great post by @H10N3

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60423565&postcount=602

4. How to encrypt the phone.

read this excellent post by @asterismo

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63479922&postcount=2061

####################

old ril patch zip

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3430238&d=1438865098
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] adizmayazal:
only ril what about everything else??
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] AdrienL83:
The .zip of SU is flashable with recovery ?

A.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] k2wl:
@	adityapal

didnt put many things...as cm 12 is in very heavy development at present...so many things now working or not working are going to broken in next days....so most important is ril for now...also i and sekil generally fix ril portion of rom as all other things are fixed by cm tean and arco and f4k.

so be patient...i will keep updating thread....for issues...and working things...!!

@AdrienL83

ya it is standard recovery flash able zip from chainfire
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] AdrienL83:
Ok thanks you :D
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] sekil:
[MENTION=943196]k2wl[/MENTION] use other mirror - dev-host 15kb/s - 8-{}
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] beclosetolovedale:
+1 Successful only after many tries. Now using the latest build. Thanks a lot...
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] adizmayazal:
Thank s man & if you need tester for i9192 i am always ready
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] k2wl:
@sekil from next build i am going to use basketbuild or androidfilehost.

new builds from today onwards will be at:-

https://s.basketbuild.com/devs/k2wl/cm12_i9192/
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] Kanty_K:
Good, waiting for it. Hope that two sims functions work
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] parthabhatta:
Any report of 2411 build?
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] AdrienL83:
Thé build of 2411 is good !!
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] fburgos:
1124 its working fine calls for both sims

*#*#4636#*#* enabled now I can force 3g :)

Working very smooth
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] mielletseed:
Anybody knows whether 64 GB sd-cards with exfat file system work or not? For me this is a show stopper when I can't use my sd-card (without reformatting) ...

Btw, I get a page not found error on basketbuild. So where did you find the version 1124?
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] parthabhatta:
64 GB was not working with ex-fat format. I have reformatted my 64gb in fat32 and it works both in cm12 and default. No problems now.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] ruhul5:
basketbuild link is not working..it was working 6 hours ago...but not now...plz fix [MENTION=943196]k2wl[/MENTION] bro:(:(
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] iFlasher:
Is a problem with basketbuild page. Maybe they are updating something.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] minOu45:
Unfortunately the page you were looking for could not be found. It may be temporarily unavailable, moved or no longer exist.

Check the URL you entered for any mistakes and try again. Alternatively, take a look around the rest of our site.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] eduardozeassesme:
Please guys hep me, link for the last version TWRP compatible with this rom, thanks
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] fburgos:
I use

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2776430
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] eduardozeassesme:
Thanks,

philz_touch_6.58.7-serranodsxx this correct?
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] fburgos:
Links un second post
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] k2wl:
it is in github repo

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_samsung_msm8930-common/tree/cm-12.0

UPDATE :

new build uploaded.

there is a new audio player instead of apollo in this build...i.e eleven/audiofx
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] udaan:
Did you fix yesterday's problems that you were having?
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] k2wl:
yes i fixed them...
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] udaan:
NICE! You're the man!

:D

thank you good sir.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] parthabhatta:
I flashed 0912 clean. No data in SIM2. Again went back to kk.

---------- Post added at 09:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:51 PM ----------

Thanks to k2wl for working pretty hard for cm12.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] kryptonic rocker:
0912

Flashed the 0912, and noticed a serious network bug. Whenever I switch data on in sim 1, signal keeps dissapearing, coming back after a few minutes then dissapear again. No data on sim 2 yet. Finally there is a 'buttons' setting. Flashed back the 0712. Waits patiently.

Thanks for great work
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] udaan:
You guys, try the latest build.

Although new music app is force closing when visualization and lyrics is selected in setting. Chrome works fine and wifi, bluetooth and data are stable and working. I can see the new CM update on setting but I'm not sure if it works or not.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] lgarnaik:
and also mssg sending from both sims is also working
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] mielletseed:
Found a problem, don't know since when it exists: the Navigon app can't see my phone's IMEI but needs it for license check. The dialog Settings / about phone / Status / SUBS Status force closes so I can't check my IMEI. The program Phone Info also shows no IMEI.

Is this a rom problem or a problem with my device? any suggestions to regain IMEI?

Thanx!

Edit: restored an older backup of EFS partition now my IMEI is back. Don't know how i lost it ...
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] k2wl:
guys...i will not be posting new builds for next 4-5 days as my exams are this week.

so till then enjoy today's build.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] beclosetolovedale:
All the Best.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] mielletseed:
After installing today's build I lost my IMEI again ...

Anybody else has such problem?
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] jeozme:
Same here. What can we do?
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] mielletseed:
If you have an backup of EFS partition just restore it. But maybe this is not necessary and this partition is not defect but only not mounted. Maybe mounting it manually could help or reboot.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] fburgos:
If data and calls work i wont worry
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] mielletseed:
Maybe I wouldn't too if not Navigon would refuse to run ...
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] ppawan:
Yes happens sometimes not always

Update 22sept

[MENTION=943196]k2wl[/MENTION] [MENTION=5695810]niwia[/MENTION] I flashed the port for moto x and got errors then got the app update from play store. Currently app is running super smooth and pictures also are flawless, please see attached photo moto x camera app works flawless
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Android Development] ppawan:
I found this Moto X app the best for s4 mini other apps work but not this well