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[X 2014 General] Spza:
I did the same thing as you 66racer I got the at&t one because of the deal. But waiting for a 100% stable build is like waiting for a utopia, it ain't never gunna happen. I can appreciate waiting for a "more" stable build, but my appreciation is starting to dissolve into suspicion. 5.0.1 is pretty stable, and 5.0.2 is already released. Yet we have to wait months to see what Moto x has been capable of running for a long time before we get a chance. It's their choice to send OTAs whenever they want, and its our choice to buy their products, so I get only so much of our complaining can be justified, but leaving us unable to make a choice with ROMs and wonderful things like that because of the locked bootloader is crap. It actually makes more sense for them to allow this because they would sell more phones because people assume the risk when they brick their devices, hence more money in at&t's infinitely deep pockets.... Which brings us full circle to why a huge mega company with cash to burn can't update its loyal money shoveling customers handsets. Ok I feel better now.
[X 2014 General] GrantB13:
I guess I can understand how locking a device is for safety of the general consumer. I work in retail and I can tell you that there are many, many entitled people out there who at the slightest inconvenience try to get something out of it. If AT&T left their phones open for tinkering, some people might screw it up and cause problems on the local level for wanting a new phone. I had somebody yesterday complain that "We shouldn't keep our phones locked up". Yes. There are people like that. And those are the type of people who would start trouble for messing up their phones.
[X 2014 General] 66racer:
lol dont get me wrong, Im getting impatient also. I mean its why I ditched verizon (unlimited plan no less) to go att and be able to get any phone I want (pure edition, one +1, future nexus, etc) but the joke was on me! I ditch vzw and get an att carrier phone because "hey the moto x got FAST updates on att the first time" and "eh I dont need to worry about roms since its stock anyways and I flash AOSP" but man VZW seems to be the only USA carrier edition with a moto x on 5.0 lol Oh well at least I still get better service now.

Its a bummer to see literally no roms on this phone, I was a crack flasher on every android phone I had but this being my first stock build I dont feel as compelled for it. I just want the fast updates which was the main reason I didnt feel I needed a nexus when buying this phone.

Well back to the ATT cool aid, at least kit kat is stable and fast :D lol
[X 2014 General] Spza:
Haha back to the cool aid. How very very sadly true
[X 2014 General] mustafu:
I broke down and bought a 2nd Gen Moto G and sideloaded the 5.0.1 OTA for it. My 2nd Gen X it isn't, but will satisfy the urge until att gets their OTA around
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
I am a bit puzzled by AT&T's decision.......5.0.2 was released to AOSP on Dec 20th with only minimal fixes over 5.0.1. From a post on G+ I also saw that Moto's build of 5.0 from 22.21.11 or newer contained all of the bug fixes/improvements in 5.0.1. Since this is the case and 5.0.2 only had minimal fixes, I am confused why it would take till Feb for 5.0.2 to be released to the X. It takes roughly 2-3 weeks of testing between the carrier and the phone manufacturer to get an approved update released so assuming Moto got access to the source right before it was posted to AOSP, even with the holiday break it should be released min January. The only way I can see us waiting till Feb was if AT&T wants to wait for 5.1 to be released which is rumored to come out in Feb.

While I do appreciate a stable build of 5.0 as I do use my phone for work, this still seems a bit excessive. Hopefully we see the release sooner than later, if we do end up waiting till Feb I might just say screw it, sell my AT&T X and buy the pure edition.
[X 2014 General] Spza:
Dude believe me I am thinking the same thing. Plus we have to assume that this rep from att somehow has knowledge that is correct. Which seems hard to believe considering att and Moto have made no indication about any concrete update plans for the X1097. But, and this is a really big but ( the kind sir mix a lot can appreciate) if this guy is right it is not hard to believe that att is not getting out the update in the quick 2 or 3 weeks it could take because they are obviously not in any rush to upgrade any devices to lollipop. It would seem more likely that getting the update out speedily is the last thing I would expect them to do considering if that were their goal it would be done by now. The most annoying thing is we don't know because they don't voice any intentions or update plans/goals, thus we are in the situation we find ourselves in now. I feel as if I may do the same and purchase the pure edition and sell mine on ebay, and encourage my advice seeking friends and families to steer clear of At&t, or at least their branded devices.
[X 2014 General] cjpp78:
At&t have really dropped the ball. I went with the att 1097 because of the deal and because of how well they did last year with the update on the original moto x. I've been considering selling my att moto x for a pure edition, going back to a nexus 5 or putting moto x money towards a nexus 6. No more carrier crap for me.
[X 2014 General] Citznfish:
AT&T can suck it. Still waiting. getting even more impatient and pissed as each day goes by.
[X 2014 General] eortizr:
I haven't been able to find a straight answer on this, can we unlock the bootloader on the 2nd Gen Moto X (AT&T) at all? not even with Sunshine? can at least be rooted?

Thanks,
[X 2014 General] Spza:
The short answer is no unfortunately. If you happen to be on 4.4.4 on the x1097 that is the not yet model for now at least. But if somehow your on an earlier build then yes you can still root.. Whether or not you can have write abilities with the root is dependent on how old your build is.. There is a combination of pwnmymoto.. Slapmymoto. Etc for each build before 4.4.4 but nothing for the latest kit kat which almost everyone with an x1097 is on if not everyone.
[X 2014 General] eortizr:
I was so tempted to get one because of the price on At&t. I guess the G3 will have to do.

Thanks
[X 2014 General] dan1431:
Granted, I have a Pure Edition and have been on lollipop since I received the device, but I am trying to figure out at&t's decision which seems a bit arbitrary.

I use my Pure Edition on at&t, as I have every phone that I have owned since early 1988 (back when it was known as McCaw Cellular) and generally have been pleased over the years, but it is strange choices like delaying the update for "unknown" reasons that make me go huh?. I should point out that while their Front Line employees on the phone (generally) are friendly and want to help, I find their knowledge to be somewhat limited, especially when it comes to choices made way above their heads.

My Pure Edition runs perfectly fine on Lollipop and I cannot see any reason that a branded Moto X should run any differently. Now, it is possible that a piece of at&t Bloatware is not playing nice with Lollipop and thus at&t is making Moto work with whomever makes the Bloatware to correct the issue and issues like that can take time to work through, so that is a possible scenario, however, it just does not seem all that plausible to me.

One thought I did have and could be possible is, VoLTE which at&t is starting to roll out and does need some extra software and testing to ensure that it is working properly before it is rolled out to the masses. A friend of mine works for at&t in Government Affairs and from time to time he does pass along a good nugget or two. In our last conversation he said that at&t's strategy is to slowly roll out VoLTE by using handsets that are not the most wildly popular to ensure that everything is working properly before moving to the more widely used handsets.

While the Moto X is a great handset, it did not sell like the GS5 or the more mainstream phones out there, thus it is possible that at&t is going to roll out VoLTE to it when they Green Light Lollipop.

It is also possible that at&t is waiting for the next iteration of Android, but that seems less likely as from what I understand Google is fairly tight lipped even with Manufacturers regarding Android releases and it would stand to reason that if a Manufacturer doesn't know too far ahead about the next release of Android than nor would a mobile phone provider.

Just my two cents,

Dan
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
VoLTE should be very easy to enable and personally I'd rather see AT&T not try and do too much in 1 update. I'd rather have them push out a stable build of 5.0 then when a minor point update is ready include VoLTE with that. Still that is another interesting theory for the delay.
[X 2014 General] Gage_Hero:
Could be they are just super slow like Telus in Canada..... They have no bloatware other than an app to check your account but here we also sit and wait.... Quickest updates yeah right..... Compared to what.... A glacier????

Should be a N.A. class action suit for false advertizing.....
[X 2014 General] gammite:
i understand the desire for lollipop. but there is a whole lot of moaning in this thread for an 'update' that is very superficial at best. we have a stable build on a solid device. the update is literally bringing a majority of cosmetic changes and it can be debated if they are actually improvements.

i want lollipop too but after playing with it on my nexus 7 fhd i really don't see what the big deal is.
[X 2014 General] ayushag96:
No News

I contacted AT&T Care and they say that they have no idea when 5.0 will be coming to Moto X 2014. I am not very optimistic about this :crying:
[X 2014 General] Endoran:
That's very true. But still doesn't change my desire for lollipop. The moaning is because most of us thought the update was coming a lot sooner.
[X 2014 General] kdwolf85:
I gave up. I ordered the Nexus 6 today. I'll never get a carrier branded phone again.
[X 2014 General] dan1431:
I find that at&t Front Line (phone/chat/in-store) while generally are nice and friendly and do want to help, just do not have access to things like software update until just before its release.

I had to call in a few weeks ago about an issue I was having with roaming and while I had the tech on the line I asked him what does at&t share with him regarding things like software updates, etc., he was honest that he has some sort of software which contains all the info at&t provides to its Front Line employees. It is searchable and he enters search terms and if any DATA returns than that is what he (or any other Front Line employee) works with.

He said that some stuff he has learned from trial and error, other things he has learned from colleagues, tech blogs and yes even XDA.

I appreciated the guys honesty and confirmed exactly what I though the people who really know what the "deal" are not always as forthcoming as we the end user would like.

I asked my buddy who works for at&t and he said he would check on it for me, but I should point out that sometimes he comes back with nothing or more frustratingly (at least to me) I am unable to tell you due to the info being not being for public consumption at the moment.

Dan
[X 2014 General] cjpp78:
yep well its 2015 and I'm done waiting on them. My moto x is already up for sale. Going back to nexus 5 for the moment and then just wait for something else I want.. That or just get a pure edition moto x a little later.
[X 2014 General] jphilippon:
This. So much crying in here for nothing. I had lollipop on my n5 and it can be debated if it's even an improvement.
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
Oddly enough I really want the update to rollout ASAP but more so because of "other" fixes that should be coming in addition to 5.0. Yes I am really looking forward to 5.0 and the various system improvements like ART, the Battery Saver, etc.....but really I just want simple bug fixes to the device firmware for bugs I'm experiencing in 4.4.4 right now. A few examples are the low light bug with the front facing camera, BT sometimes not connecting to my car (and when it does connect randomly it doesn't properly launch Play Music), plus the general improvements which usually are rolled into the first OTA for any device such as better performance, better battery life, improved reception, etc..... Now this isn't to say that 4.4.4 doesn't run well, it runs quite well but I would have been happier if a bug fix OTA was released with firmware improvements and bug fixes the moment AT&T decided to reject any 5.0 builds.

Fingers crossed we hear something soon.......this whole experience though has cemented by desire to never purchase another carrier branded phone.
[X 2014 General] idksomuch:
Honestly, if Lollipop means I can root my AT&T Moto X, I'm all for it. I just want to unlock my bootloader and root my phone. If only I had taken an extra 10 seconds to double check my order when I bought off Motorola; too bad I couldn't return it cause I was gonna be gone for break for over a month...
[X 2014 General] mmaslo1124:
Hi, are you not able to install a pure Android lollipop for the Moto X on the AT&T Moto X phone?
[X 2014 General] 66racer:
I think its funny how people are ditching the moto x and using older phones because no update....I mean I want the update too but really? Although I can see selling a branded one for a pure edition. The moto x is a great phone and if you liked it enough to get it in the first place, why not stick with it? I can see the n6 being an upgrade though, Its hit n miss for me on that. In the pocket its not that bad but its a bit bigger than I want. I wanted something smaller than the note 2 which I enjoyed over 2 years but after getting something smaller (moto x 2014) its still not a true one handed phone so the move to the n6 doesnt sound too bad.

I have my phone set up very nice right now but am really wanting to experience what ART is supposed to do when officially supported. Im hoping for SLIGHTLY better battery life and that googles camera tweaks mean better low light camera performance. I will also appreciate the updated notifications/toggle menu over the dated looking kit kat one and the new battery stats.

Using ART on my note 2 with cm11 doesnt make me too hopeful for battery life increases although some how people on that same phone raved about better battery when I didnt experience it on ART. I would think once its officially in place such as with 5.0 it might do a bit for it I hope.
[X 2014 General] titans1187:
Normally if I bought straight from Motorola I would have went with the Pure edition just to have lollipop already but I found a brand new and sealed ATT version on swappa for $350 with black leather and silver accents so I'm not gonna complain at all. $350 vs $575 is a big difference and I wanted leather anyway (just cognac instead of black) so it was too good to pass up. Hopefully ATT doesn't take much longer to get the update out as I'm curious to see what lollipop is like to use on a day to day basis compared to here and there on my Mom's Nexus 7.
[X 2014 General] mazubo:
What I do not understand is why the carriers have to keep us guessing.. Is it too much to tell us when the update will land?!
[X 2014 General] hwlester:
I saw an article a couple of days ago that implied the delay was due to issues with 5.0 and that they were focusing on 5.0.1. It was an article that showed up in my Google Now feed and I can't find it now. It mentioned Motorola, LG, HTC, and Samsung and the plans for carrier updates for each.
[X 2014 General] GrantB13:
I think I read that one. If I remember correctly, there were no dates at all.
[X 2014 General] mikiemc73:
The problem is, they don't know, so if they give us a date, or even a general time frame, and something goes wrong with the update, then everyone complains about missing a deadline.
[X 2014 General] hwlester:
Yeah, I've read of a number of issues with the 5.0 update including the Nexus 7 2012. Apparently some people received an OTA on the Nexus 7 2012, but Google pulled the update and I'm still on 4.4. I want Lollipop, but I'd rather wait a bit longer and get an update that works than get a buggy one now. :)
[X 2014 General] cbbyers:
See attached for info on release date.
[X 2014 General] jupiter6:
Gents,

If you think about it there isn't much difference between the current 4.4.4 and the 5. Ok, it has new navigation buttons, notifications and an overly bright white drawer but besides that you can have all the other features on the 4.4.4. The apps have the material design on kitkat already, one might prefer the low key notification of the moto x and best of all you can activate ART. It takes a lot of time to update (an hour maybe) but after that you'll see better battery life and faster performance. I haven't had a single app crash with it save for the crappy company mail client GOOD.

That being said it is ridiculous what AT&T is doing and I will never buy a phone from them ever again that's for sure.
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
I ran ART for a while on 4.4.4 but I found an odd issue.....for the first 5-6 days the battery life is great! Then all of a sudden it goes to hell and is half what it normally is. A simple reboot fixes this issue and after that battery life is fine again. I'm not sure if it's related to any of the specific apps I've got installed or if it's a bug with the 4.4.4 ART. I had an OG Moto X and I experienced the same issue with the battery life on 4.4.4 as well so really I won't use ART till I get updated to 5.0.

As for all of the other features yes it's true, cosmetically 5.0 doesn't offer a lot more than 4.4.4 does. Really Google just needs to update Search to 4.0 and our general UI should be about the same, we can also use a 3rd party launcher if we want the full 5.0 look and feel.

Personally I want the update for the various bug fixes I've been waiting for since I initially got this phone. I still have the low light front facing camera bug (i know it's small but annoying when it happens), I have random odd bugs with my Bluetooth such as it not always connecting to my car, another bug where Play Music doesn't always start automatically when my BT is connected to my car, after a few days my work email doesn't properly update in the background (it's a 3rd party app and I didn't have this issue on my OG Moto X), etc..... For every smartphone I've gotten I am used to getting a solid bug fix update ~2 months after release where the kernel, radios, OS, etc were updated to resolve 90% of the outstanding issues. It seems with this X we aren't getting that and instead have to make due with these issues till a stable 5.0 build is offered. Yes 4.4.4 works fairly well but it would be nice to have simply gotten a bug fix update the moment AT&T decided not to release 5.0, then we could have an even better device while we waited on stable 5.0.
[X 2014 General] dorqus:
Got updates tonight for a bunch of Motorola apps and even sensor firmware, but alas, no lollipop :(
[X 2014 General] ps3kev:
i havent gotten any updates to those things yet... hmmmm
[X 2014 General] dorqus:
I got them from the play store, not via the system updates.
[X 2014 General] ps3kev:
I know play store isn't showing any updates for me though
[X 2014 General] rrossilva:
Just motorola connect updated for me =/
[X 2014 General] dorqus:
I had the following apps update for me last night:

Moto Camera, Moto Gallery, Moto Sensor Services, some others (I have a bunch of the Moto apps disabled as I don't use them).

If it matters, I just got my phone two days ago, 32gb AT&T (obviously AT&T)
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
The sensors update came out months ago as did the camera and gallery updates. I've got my fingers crossed that we'll hear something soon.....the worst part of all of this waiting is the just not knowing anything.
[X 2014 General] rrossilva:
100% agree
[X 2014 General] dorqus:
OK that must have been why I just got them last night as my phone was new. And yes, I agree - a co worker of mine has a Moto X on Verizon (she also just got it) and she already has Lollipop on it. It's bad enough we can't root our phones (I had Nexus 4 on T-Mobile before), but at least give us Android 5.0!!!
[X 2014 General] yu001:
Feb 15?

some hints for Feb 15 if I got it correct

http://forums.att.com/t5/Phone-Device-Upgrades/Moto-X-2014-lollipop-update-release-info/m-p/4180189
[X 2014 General] dorqus:
Thanks yu001 - I hope you're right!
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/wm/2/+LucianoCarvalho/posts/cSmnePt6zpP

I saw this update that Motorola is working now on pushing out 5.0.2 with the memory leak bug fixed. They are currently in Release Candidate phase with the build so it's safe to assume it'll be given to the carriers "soon" for their testing/bloatware. It'd be nice to see AT&T push out 5.0.2 first for their X as Verizon pushed out 5.0 on their's first.
[X 2014 General] emthr330ne:
Did anyone else notice a random launcher update to the 5.0 style launcher/google now software? Hopefully a sign of positive movement?
[X 2014 General] Gage_Hero:
FYI posted today not sure of the time table

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/01/13/motorola-promises-more-lollipop-updates-really-soon/
[X 2014 General] rrossilva:
yeap, i got it today
[X 2014 General] dgut:
Yup. I got the update late last night.
[X 2014 General] blaine.hale:
That's just Google updating the Google Now Launcher. That has nothing to do with us getting Lollipop, at all.
[X 2014 General] beefgoat:
Without the fancy animation, it doesn't sit well with me. It's like they're f*cking with me! Lol ;)
[X 2014 General] G4 Man2:
When I saw this being the last message in the thread I about dropped my phone hitting the 'check for update' button until I realized it was only the launcher you were talking about [emoji17]
[X 2014 General] ijotech:
Att just is too lazy !!
[X 2014 General] gammite:
fyi. the color scheme on the google launcher update sux major donkey now. all white is no bueno. even windows phone lets you choose a light or dark scheme. talk about dropping the ball.
[X 2014 General] dpw2atox:
So I saw on android police that several core moto apps were updated including the update checker. I installed them on my att xt1097 and all except the contextual computing one installed without issue. Maybe we will need the new update app to get 5.0 when the time comes?

Here is the link

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-apps-ready-download-apk-mirror-apk-download/
[X 2014 General] DigitalUnderground:
I'm glad I returned my at&t moto x 2014 and went back to my N5
[X 2014 General] jphilippon:
I can't even believe people would ditch a phone for an update. Lol.
[X 2014 General] gammite:
i find it hilarious as well to an extent.
[X 2014 General] ps3kev:
come on att..... your slacking
[X 2014 General] Gage_Hero:
I ditched it for the Nexus 6 I'll admit..... I mean when its advertised as quickest updates and every one else but you get them .. yeah I get a lil choked... it was the deciding factor between the moto x and nexus 6 for me at least.... I jumped on the nexus 6 last week and got 5.0.1 immediately.... will likely be on 5.1 soon in feb... so yes if its advertised as being something it isnt... I'm going get something that is as advertised......
[X 2014 General] sigma24:
The reason why I purchased Moto X

the reason why I purchased Moto X because it comes with guarantee of being upgraded to the latest version of Android . Currently, enjoying the latest Android 5.0 version.
[X 2014 General] jphilippon:
The reason I purchased a Moto X is because it has the most balanced set of features with stock android and is a beautiful, well crafted phone.

To be completely honest I disliked my N5 and changed the ROM every week because I got bored of it in general.

IMO N6 is way huge and I'm not down for the whole encryption by default thing. I'd sooner own a Note 4 than a N6 simply because the Note knows it's huge and at the very least comes with a stylus that is actually useful.

The update will come. I'll stick with my better phone.