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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] docdrejr1:
GREAT!!

Hope you have more success

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Can you go back to 4.42 or are you stuck with 4.44?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] The-Beast:
You are stuck on 4.4.4 once you update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] notufatjesus:
This sucks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] johnciaccio:
Upgrade to Lollipop should be in January anyways so I am staying completely stock on 4.4.4 so when the upgrade comes I can just do the ota. Lollipop is worth more then having it rooted or a debloated rom anyways.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] notufatjesus:
I agree
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] drewcam888:
I would be suprised if lollipop comes that soon. I give it Feb or Mar.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TweakerL:
Not sure if this would work, but who knows...

So, many many many moons ago, back when I had the asus TF201, which was an amazing device save for the POS nand memory, I found a way to make it better by having it use the external SD card, which you could already get one back then that was better than the internal memory to do all the caching and what not. The problem isn't important, but rather the solution. What I did was unpack the kernel and make a tiny modification to the ramdisk in order to get it to run a certain script super early during boot, WAY sooner than init.d, way before most partitions get mounted, but after the BL checked that the different blocks were what they're expected to be. Then I repacked the kernel and to my knowledge, the device never knew any better that a modification had been made. The script ran with full root power because of where the change was made. In essence I had a second partition in the SD card and with the modification the kernel would mount stuff like /data/media/Android and /cache to the external SD. It was similar to the way SS and init.d works, but not quite the same.

I've never played around with the ramdisk on the note 3, tbh I'm not even sure if it can be unpacked and modified on the note 3. However, if it's there and can be unpacked and repacked, then with a small enough modification it should pass the BL check, and it should be possible to remount system to a different location after the BL check. Unfortunately, when I did it on the TF201, it took me a week of tweaking the timing on the boot order for the modification, which as I've said on another post I don't have atm since I have two people in my family recuperating from surgery.

Anyway, if the idea above works, at best, it would be possible for SS to be rebuilt to be initialized differently, at worst, people would have to flash their ROM to a separate partition in the SD card and as long as the SD card is in, then the kernel would mount the system partition to the the external SD card. Either way it should still pass the BL check because technically the system partition would be untouched.

EDIT: ramdisk is there and can be unpacked on the 4.4.4 kernel file previously uploaded. Definitely has plenty of goodies that can be hijacked, don't have time test it and my phone is not on 4.4.4

Might be possible to hijack one of the init files to get root as long as the phone boots with repacked ramdisk.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] johnciaccio:
Several websites posting the timeline as January even on Verizon. Since it has been out for other countries then I believe the statment can be credible.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fletch33:
Lollipop coming is why i am staying root on my Note 3. much better chance that upgrading via a ROM that is pre-root whether just stock root or custom root is much much safer than taking OTA and hoping for root later.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hirak99:
Safestrap 4.4.4

1. If I use Safestrap to put on this ROM (provided that it is available as a .zip), will it also remove root and block the bootloader making my phone unusable?

2. Is there any better rooted ROM other than the 4.4.2 that I should take a look on? Something that runs everything including NFC and the S-Pen.

3. Or should I just wait till Android 5 ROM is released and rooted.

Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] geolykduh:
hah i agree. :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hirak99:
Yup
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] phillymade:
1. There is no root for 4.4.4 yet. So if you were able to flash 4.4.4, as of now, you would have to unroot and be fully stock.

2. You would loose root and be full stock.

3. There are several 4.4.X roms on XDA that have what you are looking for, check the development thread and read the OP.

4. There is no exact date on when android 5.0 will be put for our device. I know there is speculation that it will be out soon, remember that we were the last ones to get 4.4.1/2 for our device.

5. You are the end user and your phone is yours. You need to ask yourself what is important to you. If root is important, do not take the update. If root does not matter, you just want stock, then OTA away.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] The-Beast:
Just received a system update notification for my note 3.. Anyone else receive the NK1 from big red?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
Yep. Same. Downloading now.

Edit: Installed and working fine so far. Its just bug fixes for 4.4.4. I've seen a few people complaining about certain aspects not working, but it looks like app compatibility issues and small preference nagging. According to Verizon, it's one step closer lollipop. (sigh)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] The-Beast:
Cool, I hadn't had a chance to look at it before deciding if it was worth taking or not, guess Ill go ahead and update..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fletch33:
so with no root available and possibly never being one at all i assume you dont read much here or hang out often as its stock and you cant really do anything that needs a discussion?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] The-Beast:
I read all the time, I just never post anything.. I'm more of a lurker if you will.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
Ditto. Been here a long time. Hardly ever post unless I feel like it. Have a few rooted devices. Don't care to root my note anymore til something reliable comes around with lollipop or note 4/5 time. I rooted a few times and always ended up back at stock. Stock works fine for me and I don't have to post "this ROM is great... But..." [emoji6]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bigjohns97:
LOL same here, since this latest note 3 where you had to do all this crazy business to root and when you could no longer just load roms into the bootloader.

I just don't do much modding anymore, the note 3 is plenty in the specs department and the software customization is enough to handle without root.

EDIT: I DON'T EVEN FREEZE/DISABLE UNWANTED APPS ANYMORE :EEK
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ZackFearheart:
Well I already have the NJ6 modem, and my signal issues have no improved. So I'm not too keen on thinking an entire ROM update to 4.4.4 would help. I've about given up on this phone.

But if an entire ROM update will fix this, I will run without ROOT for a while. I really don't want to get rid of this phone, But with the signal issues I'm having... Updating ROMs / Modems hasn't helped so far... So thinking it is infact a hardware issue. Running Alliance rom 2 now. NJ6 modem. My area does have 4G LTE, and good coverage.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hapster:
Yeah, it just hit my phone tonight, 1/8.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
Just thought I'd throw it out there maybe others aren't having any problem. I'm running Alliance w/NJ6 radio and I noticed a huge difference in a good way in my stability and speed (ie used to go in and out of 3g/4g all the time) when I'm in a Verizon area with Verizon towers. However I work up in Prudhoe Bay, AK and noticed horrible speeds and data drops granted they only got 3g up there a few years ago. On NC4 I could stream YouTube/Google Movies with no problem now they take forever to load and buffer every 5 seconds I flashed back from NJ6 to NC4 and speeds went back to being stable. Verizon doesn't have any towers up there but rents from ACS wireless. It's not roaming and my signal still says in service but huge difference. It's like the new modem has slowed down speeds when using 3rd party towers. Just figured I'd throw that out there for anyone else who may travel to areas like that. You might want to flash an older modem or at least have it saved know your laptop to ODIN to later on.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] iBowToAndroid:
I'm assuming that the kernel can't be downgraded via Odin so that Towelroot works, as it can be on other models?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] drewcam888:
Once on 4.4.4 you are out of luck
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] The-Beast:
For those interested in what that update brought, here you go.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 92duchess:
Since the nk1 update, Ive noticed that my auto screen rotate doesn't work. I was on YouTube and turned my phone, and it wouldn't turn. So I tried other apps and it doesn't work. ￼
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
Works fine for me. I'd check your apps and settings. I have over 145 apps installed and usually reinstall everything from hard reset scratch, then one by one, after an update to make sure it's all proper and pretty. ( my ocd) ive had a few moments when its gone retarded, but that's when I have an app that has rotate issues within itself.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] uberalbo:
Did you enable Screen Rotation from the pulldown menu. That did the trick for me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] zherman91:
NJ6 Build

So at this point there's nothing we can do if we were forced to upgrade to the newest android version? Is root impossible forever at this point or will we just have to wait for someone to figure it out? I too was stuck at the boot screen after attempting to update Jasmine ROM and was forced to use Kies to get my phone working. Please let me know any information you can provide so i can stop worrying about it and except my fate... :(

Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fletch33:
there is nothing you can do

root is not possible now and no forecasted date if ever. if it happens it happens but seems to be getting tougher

accept it

- lets hope for the best
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] zherman91:
So the only way at this point would be to buy a new phone from ebay or something with the older version on it and start over? Any advantages to an unlocked version of the note 3?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
Yes and Yes/No (depends on if your a control freak user or a comfort bandwagon user.)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ZackFearheart:
I plan on staying on Alliance ver 2. I won't update until I am forced to do so, Forced as in my phone will no longer allow me to use it. Honestly, If the NJ6 modem update didn't fix my 4G / Signal problems.. I highly doubt updating the entire ROM will. I will just keep my 4.4.2 and root access until someone makes root access for the 4.4.4.

I'm probably getting a new phone (well, different phone) soon anyways.. Because I can't take the random signal drops, and loss of data connectivity (even in the middle of a populated city)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Neckername:
To anyone smart, here is a download of the NJ6 OTA update. Hope this helps, wasn't originally posted by me http://xdaforums.com/verizon-galaxy-note-3/general/4-4-4-nc6-ota-update-zip-t2975072
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] samcook2003:
Can anyone tell me if foxfi is working with this new update
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] murmur70:
Yes Foxfi works just fine with the update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jjewell:
Well in hopes of this device actually becoming a phone, I unrooted and took the update. Huge mistake. Service is unchanged or possibly a bit worse. Still can't wait to get rid of my 5.7" WiFi tablet. It's gonna be a long 7 months if I don't smash this apple Jr phone first.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] joeyx2:
What process did you use exactly when updating? Did you just unroot and install update or Did you use Odin to unroot then install update?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jjewell:
I used Odin back to stock did a second factory reset and then took the update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Nobunaga09:
hey man i got my self in a pickel and updated my phone to 4.4.4 and i very stupidly tried to in stall jasmin well my phone is soft brinked now can i please get a link to verizon note 3 4.4.4 firmware please and thank you
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] woods3336:
Don't have 10 posts so I can't post links, but you can copy/paste this:

sammobile.com/firmwares/download/41501/N900VVRUDNK1_N900VVZWDNK1_VZW.zip/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] GoodSpeed150:
Has anyone found a way to root a Verizon 4.4.4 phone. I don't care about Knox.

Could I use Odin to downgrade to 4.4.2 and root from there? CF-Auto-Root maybe? Been looking around and not finding anything.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] alphahere:
You are out of luck. No way to root or downgrade once you are on 4.4.4. My next phone will be nexus 6. Enough of this locked bootloader stuff or poor support for developer version phones.

Whatever
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] SoundMage:
I'm disappointed as well, I had corrupted my image and had to reflash using KIES. That put me at 4.4.4. Nobody has (or maybe even has interest) in finding a root method for this build. I, too, will be jumping out of the Samsung game come upgrade time (Summer).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] muniz_ri:
There is alot of work going into making Android more and more secure therefore finding exploits is going to be harder and harder for the hackers of the world like Pinkie Pie.

For those that have not updated to 4.4.4 but are considering it see here: http://xdaforums.com/verizon-galaxy-note-3/general/how-to-update-to-nk1-root-t3013630
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] wanb1i:
Agreed, VoLTE is a XLTE feature (band 4), & Note 3 is XLTE Capable, but vzw isn't releasing VoLTE until Lollipop. Even with Lollipop, no VoLTE without XLTE. So, if you're not in an XLTE area, forget VoLTE. :crying:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jcase:
Cleaned up drama.

Please don't go farming for donations for people/companies until the produce.

Kingo root IS PROVEN to have security concerns, by me. I reversed much of their software. I'm not going into it yet again, but it is very worrisome.

I'm really not a fan of root threads right now, please don't give me a reason to close this one.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
I've patched the system files (binaries & libraries) to make it boot on NC2/NC4 kernel, but I've had some issues & random reboots. It seems that the NJ6 kernel would work only with NJ6 bootloader. Can you confirm if you could (not) downgrade to NC4 bootloader? If it's downgradable, I'll post a ROM now. If not, you've been stuck on your current system; once you run into any major issues, you'll lose root !
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gr8nole:
I can confirm that I CAN NOT downgrade back to NC4.

I had root with the method I posted before, but I was playing around with some mods and screwed up and had to flash the NJ6 system and I am indeed stuck without root now. It sucks, I don't see how people deal with non-rooted devices. :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
Sorry, as expected. you know what? this 4.4.4 isn't similar to the versions released for other variants. The apks doesn't include Samsung proprietary images (e.g., qmg) which is a sign of NO support for the new apps :eek: Probably, it's just to patch root :rolleyes:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gypsy214:
Man that's sucks. Verizon first locked bootloader, then locked it even harder so loky wouldn't work, now they are doing this to make it harder for us. I agree with you. A none rooted device is not worth it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] YankInDaSouth:
Verizon's shenanigans really have me strongly considering a switch to T-Mobile [emoji35] (not that their shenanigans are new, they've just finally gotten me angry enough to act LOL)

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Check hsbadr's Jasmine thread, he posted it in there ...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] RomsWell:
T mobile is supposed to be pretty much finished with converting edge areas to 4g by mid 2015. Ive been a Verizon customer for 13 years now. I cant wait to switch to tmobile. Verizon wasn't so bad in the early android days. It seemed like every device that came out had a unlocked bootloader in less then a day and root was as simple as flashing the damn zip in cmr. I miss that so much lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] YankInDaSouth:
I here ya!! I am stoked to switch as well!! Next month we'll be making some changes at work which will include a Verizon jetpack for using our tablets out in the field. So with WiFi calling I'll be good in areas where Verizon is strong if T-Mobile isn't! ?

(Sorry OP, didn't mean to derail the thread [emoji4])
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
Hey, could you just flash the NC4 kernel? If you can (most probably if it isn't blacklisted), you may repackage all NC4 images EXCEPT aboot (i.e., be on NJ6 bootloader + NC4 everything else). This –if successful & NC4 boots– will allow you to reroot. However, it might be risky too. Please let me know how it goes!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gypsy214:
I know what you guys are saying. I'm a tmobile costumer and I never deal with locked bootloader or carrier making things harder. I am still with t-mobile but have this VRZ note 3 that I bought from a friend. Trust me if I can trade with a t-mobile variant I would in heart beap. I take this new update is to locked us all out from rooting permanently. And if Verizon figured this out. I wonder how future devices will be. Even the S3 had a locked bootloader but loky worked on it. Now they scrypted it so loky wouldn't work. I in away cant believe that Samsung made this update on Verizon terms not giving qmg image like other roms.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] joseph-:
My device not rooted yet but i install n4 launder and some more apps
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gr8nole:
Didn't work, it gives "unauthorized" message about kernel (and recovery) when using everything NC4 with NJ6 aboot.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gypsy214:
In another words we need the new bootloader to have 4.4.4. So we need new root method and SS. And we won't be able to go back to 4.4.2. And this build is different than other carriers.. My friend ported Sprint 4.4.4 on T-Mobile N900T with Sprint kernel and it worked. I thought about doing Sprint 4.4.4 with NJ6 kernel but Jasmine says that Verizon have this rom different without Samsung qmg image on it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] JStrem:
Is there a way to upload the NJ6 verizon firmware to a download site and help US citizens? SamMobile doesnt accept US currency which makes it a slow impatient download of 3hrs+... *frown*
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
Verizon did it :eek:

I've it all uploaded to AFH over last night, but mistakenly without compression (i.e., .tar.md5 not .tar.md5.zip or .tar.md5.7zip). So, the file size is ~3.xGB compared to ~1.xGB with 7zip. Let me know if you're interested in a link share. However, I don't recommend sharing this firmware b/c many users may flash it & get trapped by the NJ6 bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hr222:
i can't root my phone
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] uberalbo:
So what about those of us that... Gasp.... Don't care about root? What's the recommended way to flash the new NJ6 zip file.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Deekayy:
Then you would need to wait until the OTA comes out and just update? Seeing that you're here on XDA, I'm assuming your phone is rooted. If it is then you need to odin back to stock and update.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] muniz_ri:
If someone that is rooted and has not taken the update can capture the ota from their cache/fota folder and send to me I can put together a "keeproot" zip to update to NJ6 while keeping root. I would be interested in knowing if that method still works.

This is what i am talking about: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2948355
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
[MENTION=3034891]gr8nole[/MENTION] has been able to keep root on NJ6, but he lost it after messing with the system & has had to flash the NJ6 firmware. The reason is simple: ATT hasn't blocked it at all while VZW has blocked it 2-way. VZW blocked NJ6 kernel & recovery with any other bootloader. For instance, NC4 bootloader returns "Warranty Bit" after flashing NJ6 kernel or recovery & NJ6 bootloader blacklisted all previous versions (returns "Unauthorized").

Here's the official NJ6 firmware:

Bootloaders: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95784891001616984

Kernel: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95784891001616985

Recovery: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95784891001616988

Modem: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95784891001616986

Let me know if you need system & cache images too!

For anyone else:

YOU CAN ONLY ODIN THE ABOVE MODEM. DO NOT TRY TO FLASH THE OTHER TARS !
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] muniz_ri:
The idea was to update and keep root without updating the BL

Since that won't work we can still try the keeproot(w/new BL) but it will be a one shot situation. I will need the ota zip for that. Thx
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
Yes, it works for a one-shot unrecoverable root. I've already created the necessary files for upgrading to a rooted NJ6 ROM. It's a similar method that could be applied to any firmware upgrade in two steps: 1) flash the rooted ROM in Safestrap/recovery & 2) reboot to Download Mode to odin this partial firmware (all images except system & cache). You can repackage similar firmware (excluding primary bootloader/aboot) + rooted ROM for ATT. For VZW, it isn't worth it since you can't re-root if needed until we find a root method for new 4.4.4/5.0 kernels on locked booloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] muniz_ri:
Unfortunately Att doesn't usually release the odin .tars. Anyway, if the one shot deal is worth it to anyone just get me the ota and let me know.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] gypsy214:
Hey bro.. When LG updated the G2 to Kitkat they also locked the the kernel with the bootloader. We could still root but no custom recovery. You know we have locked bootloader but we use loki and with this newest update they locked their kernel with the new bootloader....

Devs on the G2 made it possible to have still custom recovery on the G2 by converting the new kernel with the old kernel to make it work on the new bootloader.. I wonder if we can do something like that

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2715496

Also we can go flash back with LG Tool. In a tricky way
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vortmax:
Can someone verify if this release enables VoLTE?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thornev:
Post deleted.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] blastokid:
Not sure if this was in previous versions, but I saw this sitting around there...

h ttp://imgur.com/mkyW5Vs (Sorry, forums are blocking me from posting links.. been a lurker for a long time, not a poster. :( )
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Morlok8k:
so whats new in 4.4.4?

i'm still rocking MJE... I was actually just thinking about upgrading to NC2, and now i see this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Afro Samurai:
I do see a Volte config menu in there, for me though root is far more important but that's just me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bishop0114:
Is there any benifit to flash the new modem? Has anyone seen any problems?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] YankInDaSouth:
I've definitely noticed an improvement with the new modem! No problems with it whatsoever ...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] murmur70:
Yes, my signal seems somewhat better.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] drewcam888:
My signal is about the same
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] warriorpluto:
Can you still downgrade the modem?

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If you upgrade to the new 4.4.4 modem?