yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Desire Eye] tomkins0752:
Can someone point me in the direction of a good guide to work with kernels.

Maybe I can take a swing at getting rid of that pesky write protection.

Unless there are some fastboot or ADB commands that can take care of that.
[HTC Desire Eye] ccb101:
we got a rom coming out for the device soon. the Dev should have gotten my dump and should be testing real soon. our goal is a close to stock rom with improvements in speed and removal of bloat and carrier IQ
[HTC Desire Eye] robstunner:
Any one get the chance to find a stock eu Rom or nand?
[HTC Desire Eye] Gromit31:
HTC Desire EYE

Hello, I've just got myself a Desire EYE which I have unlocked the bootloader. I have TWRP-eyetuhl-2810-OPB-themed-red file, but do not know if it is the right file for the uk version desire eye that I have. Just want to know, if It is the wrong file, will i brick my phone, or can i still use it until the correct recovery is available. Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but I am new to rooting and the other stuff, thanks
[HTC Desire Eye] robstunner:
Can you make a backup of your stock Rom?

It should be fine, but I'm not a dev. Worked on my att desire but the stock recovery that's in the OP isn't the same as the att recovery... so I wasn't able to install an ota update until someone here sent me the stock att recovery.
[HTC Desire Eye] Gromit31:
Desire EYE

How do you make a backup of the Rom. I have not recovery installed to do so?? Sorry if its a silly question.

I only have the bootloader unlocked
[HTC Desire Eye] robstunner:
You need to flash twrp, and then when you reboot in recovery choose backup.
[HTC Desire Eye] Gromit31:
Thanks. I will give it a go on the weekend, with the TWRP-eyetuhl-2810-OPB-themed-red file. I have not got S-OFF, so will I need a boot img if the TWRP fill is the wrong one?
[HTC Desire Eye] ccb101:
what i do is rename the TWRP-eyetuhl-2810-OPB-themed-red.img to recovery.img then put that in my ADB folder then type "adb reboot bootloader" then "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" and that will install the twrp recovery to your phone
[HTC Desire Eye] Gromit31:
Thanks for the heads up. I was worried about bricking my phone, with it being 4 days old. But with your post, I went ahead and BAM, I now have a rooted phone with no apps or data to loose. Now I can go ahead and install Titanium backup and transfer my data across. Thanks for you help, :victory::good::D.

I will put the stock ROM on here later.

How do I do that. Just copy the TWRP backup to my pc then upload the file?
[HTC Desire Eye] czeludzki:
你好,我是一名台湾的htc用户,看了你的贴图,你会中文,对吧?

现在我面临一个问题,希望你可以帮到我...

我在用你TWRP-eyetuhl-2810-OPB-themed-red.img 刷入SD的rom的时候,出现如下错误:

AROMA Installer version 2.70RC2

(c) 2013 by amarullz xda-developers

ROM Name : Skydragon

ROM Version : Eye HK v 1.0

ROM Author : SkyDragon Team

Device : HTC Desire Eye HK)

Start at : Tue Dec 9 18:34:24 2014

Extract: /tmp/busybox

Extract: /tmp/chattr

Extract: /tmp/fsck.ext4

Extract: /tmp/fstrim

Extract: /tmp/mkfs.ext4

Extract: /tmp/tune2fs.ext4

Extract: /tmp/wipe.sh

Extract: /tmp/zip

Executing Full Wipe

-- Erasing & formatting /cache as EXT4

about to run program [/sbin/mount] with 2 args

mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p47 on /cache failed: Device or resource busy

run_program: child exited with status 255

Cache Partition Formatted

-- Erasing & formatting /system as EXT4

about to run program [/sbin/mount] with 2 args

mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p45 on /system failed: Device or resource busy

run_program: child exited with status 255

System Partition Formatted

-- Erasing & formatting /data as EXT4

Formatting Data Partition Via Script

about to run program [/sbin/mount] with 2 args

mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p46 on /data failed: Device or resource busy

run_program: child exited with status 255

about to run program [/tmp/wipe.sh] with 1 args

Data Partition Formatted

-- Removing Old System Files From SD Card

about to run program [/sbin/sleep] with 2 args

Installing ROM

-- Mounting Data Partition For Writing

about to run program [/sbin/mount] with 2 args

mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p46 on /data failed: Device or resource busy

run_program: child exited with status 255

Writing Rom Data to Data Partition

.........................................(Part omitted here)............................................. ........

Extract: /system/fonts/Roboto-ThinItalic.ttf

Extract: /system/fonts/RobotoCondensed-Bold.ttf

Extract: /system/fonts/RobotoCondensed-BoldItalic.ttf

Extract: /system/fonts/RobotoCondensed-Italic.ttf

Extract: /system/fonts/RobotoCondensed-Regular.ttf

--Leaving stock DPI

>>> Creating toolbox symlinks

>>> Creating additional symlinks

>>> Installing busybox

about to run program [/system/xbin/busybox] with 4 args

>>> Setting permissions

ApplyParsedPerms: chown of /system/app/mcRegistry to 0 failed: Read-only file system

ApplyParsedPerms: chgrp of /system/app/mcRegistry to 0 failed: Read-only file system

ApplyParsedPerms: chmod of /system/app/mcRegistry to 493 failed: Read-only file system

ApplyParsedPerms: lsetfilecon of /system/app/mcRegistry to ubject_r:system_file:s0 failed: Read-only file system

script aborted: set_metadata_recursive: some changes failed

set_metadata_recursive: some changes failed

Installer Error (Status 7)

End at : Tue Dec 9 18:35:07 2014

请问怎么解决呢?
[HTC Desire Eye] Xdevillived666:
Anyone know of were gonna have an aosp or cm11.Rom?
[HTC Desire Eye] damn_superman:
HTC Desire EYE (NO ROM)

I need your help guys! I have an AT&T Desire EYE with unlocked bootloader, custom TWRP, and S-ON. I accidentally wiped all data and now dont have a rom on it. Im unable to write any roms cause of S-ON, whether they are custom or stock.

I tried restoring with TWRP, but it doesnt see any of the zip files i was putting on SD Card or Phone Storage.

Also tried adb sideload. It loaded the file but was unable to flash it, i guess again because of the S-ON.

Anybody know what i should do in this case?

Thanx
[HTC Desire Eye] govardhan.mane@gmail.com:
You just Saved me mahn

Your Stock recovery image file flashed awesomely on my htc Desire Eye Indian/Asian Version. And is now working. But is it possible for me to receive OTA updates even if i have a relocked bootloader, with not Root and S-On and stock recovery?
[HTC Desire Eye] uroscekov:
HTC Desire Eye

I need help, i unlocked bootloader and rooted my phone, few weeks ago lollipop 5.0.2 was realised and i wanted to update it but every time when i tried to update it, it boots into fastboot, after sometime I installed some boot. img file on my phone and now i cant boot OS. in fastboot says that security is s-on and that my OS is 1.17.401.9, does anyone know what to do? sry on my bad english
[HTC Desire Eye] Andertox:
[REQUEST] Early update of 2.19.x.x

i am looking for a rollback update on the early versoion of 2.19. I find this update too GOOGLEIZED! I HATE google! before the update the dropdown menu from top of the phone was black, gallery doesn,t have a slideshow with music anymore when i look at the photos, the 2 buttons on right and left at the lockscreen are gone and the recent apps screen is like HELL! one above other and on top of them you guess... GOOGLE SEARCH! Fuk you GOOGLE! , i need to sign in in their fukin ZOE, and it needs an internet connection! I don't want it, i don't have a net connection!
[HTC Desire Eye] govardhan.mane@gmail.com:
You can change the view of the recent apps to the same kitkat style by clickng three dots button. Select Grid View.

---------- Post added at 11:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:31 PM ----------

Dude dont worry just flash twrp recovery and restore backup of stock kitkat and then update, you will get the backups in the desire eye threads. Thanks to the respected contributors. After restoring their backup you can easily get lollipop to install via ota NO PROBLEMS
[HTC Desire Eye] armaankhan354:
Can anyone provide me a boot.img and recovery.img pls ......thank u in advance
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caseylitz:
I flashed an AOSP version of 5.0 lolipop. When this happened, I lost root. My bootloader is unlocked, but when i go to Recovery, i see the android with the text "no command" underneath. I no longer have CWM, google apps, or anything useful. What I want is to go to a factory stock. I dont care about root. If i have it, great, if not, oh well. Now in a normal world, i would plug phone into pc and go through the fastboot. But the data channel in my microUSB doesnt work. I can transfer files through airdroid? What can i do?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jd1639:
What you have is the stock recovery, push power and vol up and release the keys after 1 second. Without a pc you're pretty much sol getting a custom recovery and root or flashing the factory image
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caseylitz:
so, what can i do with the stock recovery? Is there anything I can download to pc, then send over wifi to phone?
[Nexus 9 General] TotallyAnxious:
delete
[Nexus 9 General] TotallyAnxious:
reserved.
[Nexus 9 General] TotallyAnxious:
one more
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
Cheers man!! need any help if you want something that on my kernel

just ask
[Nexus 9 General] TotallyAnxious:
When you have time, wouldn't mind hearing how you changed cache to f2f. First build should be up by next sunday (I hope). Somebody was just fired at work and I've had to fill in.
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
here you go

/dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/CAC /cache f2fs noatime,errors=recover

unmount("/cache");

run_program("/sbin/mkfs.f2fs", "/dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/CAC");
[Nexus 9 General] Moscow Desire:
Thread is closed.

OP has decided not to build or continue.

MD
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
I have some invites to give away, if you want them hit thanks and leave your gmail.
[Galaxy S 4 General] chrisknife:
would love to get one! thank u

see pm for email adress :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] Droidcore:
Agusmahardika99@gmail.com
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
Invite sent
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
Don't know how many I have left but my invite button is still showing so there is at least 1 more to give away.
[Galaxy S 4 General] azpatterson3:
If you could pm me. I have been looking for an inbox invite. Thanks.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
Pm sent
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
It will be a minute, XDA app is being stupid again, says I have your pm in menu but my inbox is blank.
[Galaxy S 4 General] azpatterson3:
I will send again. See if that shakes it loose.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
I will send invite when this clears up,
[Galaxy S 4 General] azpatterson3:
Thanks for the invite. Looks promising. Wish it worked with my work gmail.
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
Did you get my pm?
[Galaxy S 4 General] mwhitt:
All out for now, will post again when I have more, feel free to still ask,the people I invited might share the invites they get.
[Galaxy S 4 General] Eddicts:
Can someone invite me?I'll send a pm if available for the invite
[Galaxy S 4 General] RatusNatus:
athosrache@gmail.com.com

Thanks :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 4 General] tatperson:
If somebody could send me an invite ???

khooweeping@gmail.com
[Galaxy S 4 General] semper_h:
i would like a invite as well, if you have one please pm. :)
[Galaxy S 4 General] devilyuri:
devilyuri66@gmail.com
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juniormendes1:
Hi all. I have a strange problem with my device. On 4G I am not able to sync it with Google Servers, even if the exclamation point disapears of the icon. And it does seems to be just with Google, because I can navigate with anyother sites or apps that doesnt need autentication. Instagram, news websites, for example, works very well on LTE, but nothing about Google, i cant even make a research, even in the Chrome or in an app. The problem happens only in LTE, 3G signal works everything ok.

So, i though it was my SIMCARD, i went in the store and bought a new one, unfortunatly wasnt. Can anyone help me please? My mind is about to explode, i cant think in other possibilities for fix the issue.

Oh, i dont think its a signal problem either, my friends with LTE and using an Iphone for example dont have any problems. And my device either, as i said, i can use instagram for example normally, just apps that need sync like google or whatsapp.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juniormendes1:
Right now i am in 4G connection, posting here, but also i cant use whatsapp or google websites for example.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the Doctor:
Welcome to XDA. BTW, don't forget to pay attention to the site rules and posted stickies:

QUESTIONS DO NOT GO IN GENERAL - There is a Q&A Forum - Please Use It.

It looks like someone reported it, so a mod will be by shortly to move it into the Q&A forum.

Cheers!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juniormendes1:
No one? :(
[Themer General Discussion] b k w:
Have been using Themer since day 1 and I LOVE IT! I just picked up the Note Edge this week and I've quickly realized how much I hate all other launchers!

Any ETA's on when Themer will support the Galaxy Note Edge?

Thanks!
[Themer General Discussion] ThemerSupport:
Hi!

Once we have figured out a way to resize themes globally, then hopefully devices such as the Note Edge will be supported without any hassles. Unfortunately I can't give an exact ETA when this will occur, but it should hopefully be in the next few weeks/months.

- Marco
[Themer General Discussion] b k w:
Thanks Marco. Keep up the good work!
[G4] tixe:
Hi, i have the Underground WM6 ROM, and installed the Cyberon Voice Dialer 1.1 (the some that come with my WM5 from factor room), and when i press the the headset, to say a voice command, just the phone (with WM6) show my the dial pad, but not the windows from Cyberon to say the command, early when i used the WM5 Room, that work fine.

And another little cuestion, on WM5 i installed a soft that permit redirct all the audio from the device acroos the bt audio to the bt headset, on WM6 this soft works but (as ex.) when i open de PocketMusic, o WM Player, works fine, but when i close these software (the players), close also the redirection of the audio to the bt headset, some one know some trick to it do not pass again ? or works as WM5 room.

Thank's a lot.

PD; I see o some post, some file .cab that permit that when ones press the bt headset works the Cyberon, but i lost these post.
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny grep:
Could anyone please post a screenshot showing the Baseband, Kernel & System versions for a stock Telus unit? I'd like to see what the version numbers are.

Thanks.
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leegalaxy:
Will this do?
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leegalaxy:
Here it is
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] colourfuldays:
Here u are！
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny grep:
Thanks!

BTW could someone send me the Moto Display APK if possible... Thx
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leegalaxy:
Hit the THANKS button instead of just typing "Thanks!" OP.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Defiant81:
Does anybody have this black plastic mark on thr camera at around the 2pm region?

Is it normal?

Here is a pic
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
Looks like a microphone hole to me.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DualSportDad:
Is just about to make a thread about this. How many others have this hole?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Defiant81:
Obviously I do.. But when i look up pictures of the back of the nexus 6 some pictures appear to show the black piece and some don..
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
Its a hole for a microphone, all Nexus 6 has this. You probably missed it when you looked at the pictures.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2mm451/nexus_6_camera_ring_is_already_chippedcracked/

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/help/camera-flash-ring-cutout-hole-t2947534
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobszaa:
Note 4 having firmware update about 113MB buildnumber is N910CXXU1ANK5 what's it patch to ?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pierrekid:
Where are you located?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobszaa:
Thailand
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrhizzo:
Me too. After see your post I updated my GN4. [emoji5]
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bat0nas:
No update in Lithuania/EU.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elpabel84:
It's for snapdragon or exynos?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] puiradu2009:
Exynos

Postat de pe Samsung Galaxy Note 4!
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Solid Eye:
out of this subject,I just love Vilnius, hope I visit it soon :D:o
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bat0nas:
[emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106]

Super thumbs up :)

Thabks!

Sent from my SM-N910C
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
There's a Snapdragon update also. Feels snappier after applying it.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bat0nas:
Every time I restart my phone it feels snappier :) :) :)

Sent from my SM-N910C
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] puiradu2009:
Not necessary.

I will wait until the update will appear for my country.

Postat de pe Samsung Galaxy Note 4!
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] surbringer:
No OTA update for my 910U today :(
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bat0nas:
Received the OTA update today in Lithuania/EU.

Didn't notice any changes at all.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @Class:
Hoping for one for the Canadian variant soon (SM-N910W8) but nothing on Samfirmware yet...
[Mi 3 General] Extreme_Machine:
This Guide will help you to generate logcat! :D

Download This:

Here

http://www.mediafire.com/download/eq9o06ycwpoqbty/ADB_and_Fastboot.zip

Guide:

1. Download and extract above zip and name it "adb" [Extract that zip in root directory i.e C:\adb ]

2. It should look like C:\adb

3. Now go to C:\adb folder. Press shift key and then right mouse button together. and then click on "Open command prompt here".

[If phone is ON then enable USB debugging]

4. In command prompt type>>>>> adb devices (Hit enter)

5. In command prompt type>>>>> adb logcat -v long > logcat.txt (Hit enter)

6. This will generate a txt file in adb folder!

[IMG="Here is the Screen Shot to help you."]http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/927a/umwq4qxhc9zfkhefg.jpg[/IMG]

Dont forget to hit Thank you :D:D

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[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
Check out my blog page! https://urgero.org/blond/

I am currently porting Android 5.0 to the D415, this is a incomplete, non-booting rom.

As of now, the ROM boots into the system, but hangs on the boot animation.

This thread is for dev's to assist me in finishing the port.

Devs: Please post here for the password for the download if you would like to help me figure out the issue.

Download

(Download link hosted by Sandix of Android Forums)

XDA: DevDB Information

Android 5.0, ROM for the LG Optimus L90

Contributors

blondgod

ROM OS Version: 5.0.1 Lollipop

Based On:Stock, AOSP

Version Information

Status: Testing

Current Beta Version: 1.0.1

Beta Release Date: 2014-11-21

Created 2014-11-22

Last Updated 2014-11-22
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
Reserved
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
View attachment 3027435

Your number of thanks on your thanks meter, hahaha
[LG Optimus L90] Ilxaot:
Well then, *ahem* HOW ABOUT THAT ANDROID LIFE.

:p
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
Haha, I am going to redownload source to begin the port tomorrow morning, I have some problems to work out on another ROM project that needs sorting. :)
[LG Optimus L90] Ilxaot:
You the man!
[LG Optimus L90] nemesis101x:
OMA GURD. Yes! I've been trying to make my android look like L now I won't to!

Good luck on the development.
[LG Optimus L90] Beauenheim:
D415 owner here. Would love to look at the ROM and see what I can do.
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
I PM'd you
[LG Optimus L90] fear2433:
I love stock OS. Mainly because it was less buggy than CM team messes up one thing or another everyday.

CM is little more customizable also.

But if stock guarantees more stability I will defnetly love it. Is stock really more stable?

Hmm, rom not for 410 :crying:
[LG Optimus L90] Daisuke1988:
I'm sorry, but when you say stock do you mean the lg stock ROM, or aosp ROM. Sorry if I sound stupid I just haven't heard about lg pushing their update or a leak of it.
[LG Optimus L90] fear2433:
Lol, I have the same question too. I think stock was mainly said by Nexus users to refer to their original ROM.

I think Stock = Original google source

LG stock = LG software

Still no idea :)
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
I am building from pure stock aosp source (Google source). So it will be completely stock android 5.0
[LG Optimus L90] darklight112:
why are you doing that Reserved

thing ? :D shame :D
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
Because I want android 5.0 on my phone, and it doesn't seem we will ever get an update to it. There are some people who like stock android over custom ROMs. And mainly I'm doing it because it is a personal project to have 5.0
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
I dunno, I'm making stock for personal desire of android 5.0. Later I will do cm12 if it comes out soon, of PAC ROM built off of android 5.0.

Stock 5.0 should be very stable
[LG Optimus L90] DevoutDevelopment:
Oh haha, I didn't notice your update.

I am doing that so I can separate up the post in the future when I get everything situated :)
[LG Optimus L90] Rusell:
I'll be willing to test. I will just see what issues i can fix ;)
[General Topics] ctakah27:
Hi, I'm due for a new phone and need something high-functioning, - been on a N4mako for the past 2 years. It seems that the latest high end devices are all the size of nexus6 or Galaxy 5 which is huge. Is there anything around 4.5 inches diagonal that delivers?

Nexus5 is the obvious answer but i don't like switching devices often, and it's been around for a while. Will it hold for the next 2 years, or is there something better around that size?

Thx
[General Topics] Planterz:
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact. Or, the Z1 Compact if you want something cheaper. The Z3 Compact has a 2.5GHz Snapdragon 801, 2GB RAM, 4.6" 720p screen, 16GB ROM/128GB microSD slot, and front-facing speakers. It's also waterproof and has amongst the best battery life of any smartphone. The Z1 Compact is last year's model (they skipped making a Z2 Compact), but is still a very well-built and very capable phone.

The 2013 Moto X is also a very nice, smaller Android phone. Same size screen as your Nexus 4, but with smaller dimensions. Its specs on paper aren't really "flagship", but it has a unique processor combination that makes the phone run without any lag, and you won't find it lacking in performance.
[General Topics] knightandroid:
That's exactly what I was thinking ^
[General Topics] galaxys:
As mentioned the Z3 compact...
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattjov:
I'm looking to unlock and root an AT&T Moto X 2nd gen that I just received. The first required step seems to be unlocking the bootloader. I followed the instructions on Motorola's website on how to do this: it was there I received the news that Motorola will not help you unlock the bootloader of your Moto X 2nd Gen from AT&T.

It seems that a couple of other people on that thread asked Motorola if there was any other way to unlock the device, and , predictably, they didn't get any response from Moto.

I then searched around for any methods of unlocking the bootloader for this device that don't involve Motorola and I haven't found any. Has anyone found a way around this?

Oddly enough I was once employed as a software developer at Motorola and this X is my first phone that I've used from them since I worked there. .... Thanks!
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kcustom11:
Nope.

You should send it back and get a pure edition
[X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattjov:
Thanks

=kcustom11;56952256]Nope.

You should send it back and get a pure edition[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Disappointing news but I should have probably figured as much. I suppose I'd rather at spend money with companies who don't do such things...