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[General Topics] AlanJC:
This thread needs more LOLZOR1111!!!!

Seriously, wtf?

Don't buy Vista to show them what exactly?

Yeah, let's use a 5 year old OS with easily exploited security issues to teach them what?

The term cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.

Also, they are protecting their legal intellectual property, and they are in the wrong?

What we do here has always been of dubious legal standing. We carry on as long as we are allowed, but we stop when we are told to stop, and that way nobody gets into trouble.

Get a grip on reality people.
[General Topics] ivorh:
Exactly well said. The trouble is instead of a nice comprehensive source of good ROMs made by people who know what they're doing. There'll be a proliferation of hacked-up images with random hacked version numbers scattered across the internet.

Will this result in fewer bricked phones and support calls?
[General Topics] P996:
I couldn't agree more.

Apparently a lot of people have problems with "reality" nowadays.

Yes, it sucks that the ROMs have to be pulled from the ftp servers.

Yes, Microsoft could do better and show a firmer stand regarding the carriers.

Yes, this online community is very valuable to Microsoft AND the carriers, if they realize it or not.

BUT: there are laws and if Microsoft demands the removal of the ROMs, it is their right to do so, like it or not. They could have used a more "aggressive" approach with their law department but they chose to use a more "soft" approach and this is a very wise decision.

However, Microsoft must realize that such unpopular decisions won't be forgotten and such actions will definetely not make their already bad reputation much better.

Calling for a boycott doesn't help much, I'm pretty sure myself that the carriers are behind the ROM removal, not necessarily Microsoft.

Maybe we should write a letter to the carriers, asking them if they're behind the pressure on Microsoft to have the ROMs removed. If the carriers are blamed instead and their decisions are out in the open, maybe they re-consider because trust me, I would NOT want to be a customer of a carrier who asked Microsoft to remove the ROMs. Definetely not.
[General Topics] Rudegar:
personaly i'm not planning on getting vista untill maybe sp4 ;)

anyway

xp with 3th party software and no IE is safe enough

vista is mostly 3th party software functionality now as a std. ms thing

and fancy eye candy which linux and macos had for ages

but if ms see that vista is not selling as well as it should

and they connect the dots and form a picture that show that

their pull unoffical roms off sites

there is something wrong with their heads :P
[General Topics] Ingvarr:
Vista already not selling as well as it should - it started to show when it was released for volume (corporate) clients, and now its well clear that ordinary users dont rush to buy it despite all PR tsunami unleashed - maybe its "good, advanced, beautiful" and all the buzz, but even thick Joe User sees thats its somewhat lot of problems and complaints floating around.

The whole Vista thing was a reckless scheme - MS spent millions on development, but they lost the clear understanding of why exactly people will want it - on the latest stages it was more of make beleief.

Now they will have to transfer money from other branches, that is more profitable (namely being their Office branch, XBox being not profitable on their own). I think thats why they made it "WM6" (when it was clearly 5.2 originally and still 5.2 in matter of features and internal versioning) - for WM6 they can charge license fees from ODMs as for entirely new OS.
[General Topics] xplode:
@All

Forget about roms, we will find alternative way to store them, so this is just empty talk. There are free filehosting sites, and other p2p distributing variants, so what's the problem? Microsoft has the rights to ask for deleting the roms, everyone know that. We will continiue what we doing but with difrend way of distributing rom images, thats all. About vista is sucks, you have to confirm every action you do about hunderd times, it works slow even with effects shutted down, and on high end configuration PC, it randomly loose settings, cookies, passwords, favorites, software and other stuff, overall it is unreliable fo usage.
[General Topics] slayte:
I love to hate MS as much as the rest of you, but everybody needs to step back and take a breath on this one. The reason MS is doing this has nothing to do with piracy, Vista, progress, Linux, taking over the world, Bill Gates, them being money-grubbing pigs, or your grandmother.

The reasoning is simple...under US intellectual property laws, if they are made aware that someone is distributing their intellectual property (like a ROM that contains MS software) and they make no attempt to stop it, they forfeit their rights to that intellectual property. I don't think I need to explain why giving up their rights would be a bad idea for them.

In my experience, companies try to ignore sites like this for as long as they possibly can, because nobody wants to attract the kind of bad press a takedown notice causes. Inevitably, however, things get too big...a site gets a mention in the news, or it becomes the defacto source for ROMs, or it gets frequent mentions in other forums like cingular.com, and the attorneys finally have to face the fact that they can't possibly claim in court that they weren't aware that their IP was being distributed.

All companies do things like this every day to a lot of great sites and forums, not because they are jerks, but because the US legal system requires them to.

In the meantime, we just have to move on and do what everyone else does--find somewhere else to keep the bits
[General Topics] ivorh:
Actually that's completely untrue. I think you're thinking of trademarks which do behave in that way. That was the reason for the necessary recent legal cases by Linus over the Linux trademark. There's no such requirement for copyrights or patents.

Not being on the inside it's hard to know the reason for the action: Whether it's the OEM's complaining. I think their logic is that if they only provide updates with new hardware then you'll have no choice but to buy their new hardware. and that people making updates for their older devices are harming their sales figures. they really are that dumb.

The alternative is that MS are annoyed/worried about all the information leaking about WM6 before launch and they simply want to control the release situation.
[General Topics] slayte:
Not quite...the nature in which you forfeit rights is different between copyrights and trademarks, but due diligence is required for both. If a known copyright infringement is not pursued within the statute of limitations, implied license is granted, meaning the infringer can essentially distribute at will.
[General Topics] slayte:
Not quite...the nature in which you forfeit rights is different between copyrights and trademarks, but due diligence is required for both. If a known copyright infringement is not pursued within the statute of limitations, implied license is granted.
[General Topics] shoey5:
No offence guys but Microsoft or the Vendors wouldn't have given crap about the roms here if it wasn't for the idiots (yes you know who you are) pestering the vendors and Microsoft about support for yet to be released roms. Either bugging them with questions on why something doesn't work anymore, how to use something in the new rom (GPS....), or warrenty repair for f'ing up one's device. Not to mention how pissed they must be for the even bigger idiots who contact Vender A and tell them they installed Vendor A rom on Vender B device

Really what it comes down to is if it costs them money they are going to make a stink and handling service calls for hacked/unsupported roms costs them money. Not to mention how much it would piss off Vendor A to spend money enhancing their rom only to have news sites promoting the rom to other Vendor B devices and have people installing it on Vendor B's device.

That's really what this is all about so if there is anyone to blame in all this, don't blame Microsoft or the Vendors, blame those people because if it wasn't for them, the vendors and Microsoft would have given a sh*t and probably just let things be the way they should be.
[General Topics] wizzzard:
Maybe an appropriate response would be to overwhelm MS and the Carriers support systems with complaints about slow, non functioning, unstable software and devices.

The Carriers who actually sell most of us our phones should be ashamed of offering such substandard products. The diference between an "XDA-Developers sourced ROM" and the stock ROM on my device at least is enormous. Yet it was achieved by unpaid amateurs, I mean no disrespect to ROM chefs with this statement.

With the Windows update features built in to WM6 maybe there is a mechanism for MS to offer timely updates/fixes direct to the user. These updates could have incorporated "XDA-Developers" inspired enhancements and bug fixes. Sadly I feel this will not now be the case.

Yes, I can understand the global motives of MS in protecting its intelectual property but I cannot perceive any benefit to MS by exerting its right/might in this case.

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[General Topics] hiimcliff:
you gotta b kidding me. i mean im pissed at microsoft but no way am i boycotting ms. i love xp and windows mobile.

bill gates is like that uncle that put you through college... but molested you

lol
[General Topics] Ingvarr:
This is for operator, not for MS.

It was in WM5 already under name of "Download Agent".

Nobody ever actually used it.
[General Topics] Rudegar:
"The reasoning is simple...under US intellectual property laws, if they are made aware that someone is distributing their intellectual property (like a ROM that contains MS software)"

not really so because thats what i-mate, tmobile and o2 and qtek do too

i think their main consern if they have any is that ppl are without the accept from ms modifieng the roms and files

all license agreements contain rules about disasm and the likes

which is what ppl do if they want to port wm6 to their device

or otherwise change to make stable early wm6 versions leaked for univesal and others
[General Topics] jaceuk:
bill gates is like that uncle that put you through college... but molested you

omg lol lol lol lol
[G3 General] johnny1814:
I bought my G3 in July and yesterday the accelerometer stopped working. Along with that I have the common hairline crack by the microphone. LG claims to know nothing about the issue with the crack even though it's all over the internet. The crack which is a manufacturers defect, voids my warranty with Verizon so they won't replace the phone under warranty! Forgive the rant but I'm so furios about this terrible customer service.
[G3 General] rad1o:
That sucks man... I've had my G3 replaced cause of the crack, LG in my country admitted that this indeed was a manufacturerers defect and that they would replace or repair it. Try contact LG again, maybe you were in contact with an uninformed employee.
[G3 General] jodvova:
I bought it in July as well and in October the camera stopped working properly.

Basically after 5 seconds it starts making noises and constantly trying to focus between min. and infinity, so it's impossible to make a non-blurry photo.
[G3 General] vx117:
Your title is a bit misleading. It seems like you are more furious about the bad customer service than about the phone itself.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
Two defects in less than 6 months and LG not acknowledging a major build defect that is widely known is enough for me to say not too buy this phone.
[G3 General] soulysephiroth:
Bought my phone on day 1 in America, I have crack but my Mic works fine. No other issues at all.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
I don't care about the crack, the defective accelerometer is the real issue but they won't replace my phone under warranty because of the crack.
[G3 General] roastedbagel:
So you're telling everyone on XDA to not buy this phone because you alone have had two issues with it?

By that logic, nobody should ever buy any phone, because get this, out of the millions of phones coming off the factory line, there's bound to be units that have issues. It's the very nature of technology.

It sucks you had a crappy experience, but that doesn't mean that everyone should steer clear. You're not the only person in the world. Just cause yours had issues doesn't mean it still isn't the best phone on the market right now.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
The issue is far beyond my phone. LG claiming they know nothing about the issue that has been widely reported is an absolute joke. There are even articles that quote LG sources acknowledging the issue yet they have the nerve to deny the know about the cracking problem.
[G3 General] soulysephiroth:
Maybe because I'm a phone tech but I would have got insurance or would just replace the part myself. This phone is easy to open up and work on.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
I have insurance. It's $100 to replace phone plus they denied my initial claim saying the accelerometer is a manufacturers defect. The crack voided my warranty for replacement through Verizon. I shouldn't have to change the part myself, it should be replaced free of charge.
[G3 General] _-..zKiLLA..-_:
Then you talk to lg about the crack not the accelerometor. And if they dont do it then kindly ask for a supervisor or hang up and call again. Being nice helps too. Its fairly easy to get what you want.

I had a headphone jack issue and tmobile replaced it for 5 bucks lol maybe you shouldnt have chosen verizon :p
[G3 General] Vivasanti:
Talk to LG not a carrier rep - good luck.
[G3 General] azharshaikh7866:
I had similar issues about manufacturing defect with xperia z2...sony dint replace it....i sold it to buy lg g3 now i m confused....i was about to buy g3.....now i think i shud buy htc one m8 or wait for nexus 6
[G3 General] Bert.C:
I wouldnt listen to OP to be honest. He is clearly complaining about Verizon which has nothing to do with LG as a company apart from being a reseller.

[MENTION=225651]op[/MENTION] so that hairline crack has voided your Verizon warranty? .... then use your manufacturers warranty and get it sorted. Its LGs fault not Verizons so why would Verizon replace it? You need to speak to the manufacturer.
[G3 General] nkos719:
Sorry tha you had that experience..
[G3 General] johnny1814:
I was on a conference call with LG and Verizon.... All LG had to do was acknowledge the defect with the crack and Verizon would have replaced my phone for free. This is 100%about LG.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
Just got off the phone with LG again. They are still claiming they know nothing of the cracking issue. They said the best they could do is have me send my phone in for an evaluation and it would take up to 2 weeks and I may have to pay for the repairs. I just don't understand how they can justify this.
[G3 General] Bert.C:
Why would you do a conference call with Verizon? That's what I don't understand. The phone was made by LG and you should use evidence of other users on here showing that it is a common fault and that it needs sorting. If it was me, I wouldn't bother contacting my service provider as like I have said, LG manufacture the device not Verizon.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
I contacted Verizon because of the accelerometer issue. Verizon sends you a new phone under warranty and than you send back defective phone. LG wants me to send phone and wait two weeks without a phone. I need my phone for business and can't go two weeks without a phone.
[G3 General] :
Crappy title, crappy content. All in all an useless post which just adds up to all the bloat in the forums nowadays.

This place isn't to exhaust your anger.
[G3 General] johnny1814:
I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought a G3 general forum was the place to discuss issues with our phone. Sorry if the title is misleading.
[G3 General] zkyevolved:
I had 6 Sony Xperia Z2s... 6... What a pain in the behind. I returned it and got a Nokia Lumia 930... Good phone, gets a little too warm for my taste, and its functionality is really lacking but still a good phone. Returned it and got a LG G3. Love it. Probably one of the best phones I've used.

I'd continue calling and asking for support because they can't reject warranty things. Hang up. Call again. Reach out to LG, too, about one of the issues. Who knows... I'm sorry for your issues. :( I know what it's like to be frustrated when your device is defective.
[G3 General] shahkam:
Im not really happy with my purchase of the g3 because i find the screen to be very washed out compared to say the s5 ... Unless i put it to max brightness everything lacks contrast

Camera is pretty good but the app itself is very very basic which i dislike

Battery life isnt anything close to a htc one m8 galaxy s5 etc i get about maximum 4hours screen on time :/ and i have no wakelocks
[G3 General] zkyevolved:
I'm very sorry. I don't necessarily agree with you after having 6 Sony Xperia Z2 devices... Battery life is very similar in my opinion. I'm a light user now ever since I have a tablet and a phone and I only use my phone for messages and calls. I got two says out of my Xperia Z2 and I get almost the same from the G3. I maybe get a little less on the G3, probably due to higher dpi and larger screen and on top of that a smaller battery. Oh well, if you're not happy I'd suggest finding another device. But good devices on the market today are slim pickings.... [emoji17]
[G3 General] hwong96:
You know you can adjust the contrast in settings-accessibility don't you? Also battery life is very good. I get almost 7 hours SOT with 20% battery life remaining.
[G3 General] lnvincible:
OverHeating.

My LG G3 is overheating and I can't play games on it.

Every time I launch a game, the phone turn off.
[G3 General] shahkam:
I tried alot but still cant seem to get it the way i want...

And how in the world do you manage 7hours !!! I got a d852 from bell canada .... Stock rooted rom brightness always 40% and everything else is off such as sync bluetooth gps etc.... I dont even game on my phone
[G3 General] hwong96:
Did you buy this phone new? Did you mess with the thermal ssttings? if I were you I would return to store for exchange. Obviously someone messed with thermal settings before you bought it if you did not.

---------- Post added at 06:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:56 PM ----------

D850 at&t USA. Display set to 60% auto. Turned off auto sync. I sync email and accounts manually. Turn off location. If I need location, use WiFi location. Use gps only when needed. Set battery saving when on wifi. I don't use facebook or play games. I have 50 apps from play store in addition to system apps. Disable carrier apps.
[G3 General] shahkam:
Never really tried the battery saver that is built in bout to turn it on and see if it gets any better..
[G3 General] 4ndroid99:
Any other tips you can give? I would love to replicate this level of battery life. Although I've never really turned off location or sync so maybe that makes a difference? Also do you use the stock launcher and smart notice?
[G3 General] hwong96:
I turn on location, but use the WiFi battery saving instead of GPS, WiFi and network high accuracy. Turn off auto sync. Both of these features suck battery big time. Sync your email, accounts and contacts manually. I use the stock lg launcher and smart notice.

Edit: Another tip - Turn off google reporting in location setting.
[G3 General] Milkshakes00:
I'm incredibly happy with the battery life of this phone. Seriously kicks the crap out of any other device I've had.

This is full brightness with high accuracy location on the entire time. No battery saving mode, either.

http://m.imgur.com/0uOXvzy
[G3 General] MrNutt:
I had x3 Z2's all of which the screens cracked within less than 3 months usage, not shattered but cracked all on their own. Two instances happened whilst using the phone (once taking photos, once playing music and the third time was overnight on my bedside).

I thought that the arrival of my LG G3 was to be the end of this self cracking screen b******* but sadly not, my LG G3 cracked whilst the missis and I watched a youtube video (outdoors, cold evening sat with our backs to a wood fired oven).

Today I got off the phone from my insurers repair department, had a very interesting conversation: Apparently Sony have now put out a recall on the Z2 if they crack, They are also expecting similar from LG. This is based on the number of handsets they have had to repair. Apparently the Samsung are not suffering similar numbers of returns, the tech thought it was because Samsung build their handsets with a bulkier plastic back which makes for a more rigid phone and also helps heat disperse more evenly.

Hopefully I get my G3 back on Friday, I don't want a Samsung replacement, I liked the Z2 it did have a much better battery and the waterproofing was superb, but the LG G3 is a much nicer phone and with a bit of tweaking its possible to get near Z2 battery performance and the LG has a much nicer screen and that nice slim form is way better than that of the Samsung.

I just hope the bloody thing doesn't crack again after 3 months!!
[G3 General] Milkshakes00:
I've only heard of one other LG G3 just cracking out of nowhere. To be honest, if you're not putting it to extreme heat or cold, I don't believe it just cracked out of nowhere.

My girlfriend has dropped her phone over a dozen times so far and not a single crack.

I dropped my S3 twice, and both times ended up cracking the screen terribly, even with an otterbox protector on it.
[G3 General] hawaiianboi:
I am one who can confirm that LG is fixing the housing with the hairline crack issue through warranty. I just got my phone back after shipping it off to LG to have them replace the case. It could be how you are explaining the issue to them.

My G3 developed its hairline crack a while back and it wasn't too bad, but then after taking the phone out of the case to clean it I noticed that the crack had gotten worse. Called LG that day and got the warranty repair process underway.
[G3 General] hack14u:
Less than one week and LG fixed mine. I can tell the metal band is different. Mine is still in the plastic, trying to decide what to do with it. I don't want to have to do that again.
[G3 General] azharshaikh7866:
thanx...z2 to g3 how is ur overall xperience....i mean battery life and performance
[G3 General] zkyevolved:
Build quality is very good, very very solid. It doesn't feel like a plastic. But then again, Sony made an awesomely built device. So I'd give a slight edge to Sony in build quality.

Battery life, I can get very very very similar usage from my G3 as I did with the Z2. But there is a little less battery life. The G3 over the Z2: Screen and Pixels. Both require more battery, yet the G3 has a smaller battery. I can get 1 1/2 days out of my G3, but I could get 2 days out of my Z2.

Performance is right on par. I don't notice much of a lag, TBH. Sony also had it's own set of lags, but it was very fluid in general. So, on par?

Things the Z2 has over the G3: front facing speakers and water proof.

I really enjoy the larger screen and smaller bezels. I didn't think I would as much, but I do. Very recommendable device. But you can't go wrong with the Z2 either if you get a good one. I had a TERRIBLE experience with the Z2. I mean, if you hold your device up to your head to talk and support it with your shoulders, then people ask "hello? are you there? did you hang up?" and the voice was cut out... That was the issue with ALL my devices, but there are a lot more problems: Poor speaker quality in voice calls, poor microphone quality in voice calls, poor build quality on some devices (glass bent when pressed giving the impression of hollow device), beige screen on one part and white on the other (like settings menu). Warm tones on some devices while others had a bright white tone to the screen.

Overall, I'd recommend the G3 over the Z2. But if you get a good Z2, you can't go wrong either way.
[G3 General] Vivasanti:
7 Hrs SOT with 20% remaning calling BS!