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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] agovinoveritas:
I have the same annoying problem at first I thought it could have been a bug after I un-mounted the ROM. Since when I got to Messaging > Storage the only "extra memory" I can see in order to save my emails is the system and the extended ROM. No memory card.

Also, from time to time I will click on an app that resides on the memory card and I will get an error stating that the app could not be found and to reinstall.

After I remove Storage out and back in again, it works without problem.

This is just annoying.

Cheers and also sharing....

Oh, and PS:

TyTN using Vanilla WM6 and all its goodies.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] at10ti0n:
i never had this problem on aku 2.3 which i was using for over 2 months. From aku 3.3 and now with wm6 same thing... - (at least xda live 0.10, v0.20 is in testing for me, will post results)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Looks like it's Taiwan vs. Japan...

I just got a new 1GB card; a Kingston. It is working perfectly so far with the reg. hack.

Apparently, the real issue is that SD cards that are made in Taiwan aren't as good as the ones from Japan (which is where the Kingston cards are from). I've seen a few other references to Taiwan vs. Japan for ALL PocketPC devices; they all seem to conclude that the Japan cards (read: Kingston) are MUCH more reliable. It also seems a bit thicker than the Taiwan card.

Highly recommended!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
no issues here since installing the reghacks. Mine's a made in Taiwan Sandisk too. Of course, it was also one of the first 2GB micro SD's on the market too.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Odd.. Both my Sandisk 2GB (Taiwan) and Crucial 1GB (Taiwan) showed the problem, even after my hack. The Kingston is perfect so far. But, I have a lot of stuff (although no Today screen apps) on the SD Card. Might be the difference?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
Could be. I don't have any apps installed on SD, I only have exchange attachments, documents, music/video and backups stored there.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jello_e:
me too!

now that you guys mention it, i think i have this problem too!

i have a panasonic 1gb micro sd and before upgrading to the AKU 3.3 Test rom i never had this problem.

i noticed it the other day when i keep losing my desktop customizations several times a day. i'm running wisbar advance and WA Desktop (new Beta Version, which allows themes to be stored on the SD Card).

i guess it's a bug in the ROM?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagle 1:
DId anyone notice a change in these values after installing XDA live.20?

Mine are set extremely high after installing xda live

HKLM\System\StorageManager]

"PNPUnloadDelay" = dword:33174

"PNPWaitIODelay" = dword:33174

in old cingular 2.06, i think they were 1500.

I am experiencing the will not wake up after suspend now, Haven't noticed any issues with missing files or directories tho...

I am really beginning to think that the "WIll not wake up" issue and missing files and directories issue are related to os use or checking of the SD card... I guess, maybe this weekend I will hard reset and not use the sdcard to test it,,,,but phone seems almost useless without apps and sdcard....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Check out the post on page 1: it has the information needed from my testing to solve this issue.

I tried three different cards, many reg edits, and this is the final word IMHO on this matter :) I'm very happy now with a SD Card that *NEVER* disappears, and is 100% stable!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
You *really* don't want that long of a delay... In my testing a delay that was TOO long caused issues too. Basically, if the card did disappear, it would take too long to remove/reinsert it (so the OS noticed the change), and it was possible have the SD Card showing up as Storage Card2 as a result... Or, the remove/reinsert wouldn't actually fix the issue with the longer delay until the second or third remove/insert.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kyphur:
Read the WMXL v0.20 Thread, there is a fix posted.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Kyphur,

I think you're talking about an entirely different bug....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagle 1:
Not sure what fix you are referring to kyphur? I read all three xda live threads and do not see any verified fix for this sdcard issue. Can you tell me if the values in base rom are set as the following, if yes why?

As for the high values

Mine are set extremely high after installing xda live

HKLM\System\StorageManager]

"PNPUnloadDelay" = dword:33174

"PNPWaitIODelay" = dword:33174

i did not set these values. These are the values that are set after hard resetting the tytn after installing XDA live .20 No apps executed or sdcard inserted? Does anyone else have these values after a hard reset with XDA Live .20 installed?

So LegolestheElf are you saying the following is the fix? I noticed you have changed your values several time throught the thread??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Amlethae:
The problem is that you're reading your numbers in Decimal... 8196 in Hex == 33174 in Decimal.

Now what we could use is some clarity about which base we're supposed to be in when we input 8196.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagle 1:
You are correct!

My universal running WM6 has the values at 4096. SO as others have stated the 8196 is the best setting?

Also, what is the best format level?

Currently showing Fat 16? Some have suggested fat32, what is best?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Sorry, you're right. It is 8096 in DECIMAL, so the correct entry will look like this:

0x2004 (8196)

0x2004 HEX

8196 DEC

The problem (and why there were some other numbers on the thread) is because this is a two-tiered problem.

First, the values are too low, and secondly some cards are even slower. But, increasing the values didn't make a super-slow card work better :(

I had **TWO** Taiwan SD Cards from TWO different manufacturers, and both failed. The ONE Japan made card worked with this fix perfectly. Also, other people on this thread (and other boards too) seem to have much less issue with the Kingston (Japan) memory vs. any Taiwan memory cards.

I really did try a ton of different things to make it work, and this (reg. edit and Kingston card) are the perfect combo. I've had **NO** issues with this setup for DAYS. Contrast that to losing the cards info multiple times a day! To keep it a level playing field I literally copied the information onto each card in the exact same way, and they all had the exact same programs running from the card. There was no issues of one card/setting having less info on it, etc..

For the record, I use FAT32, that is, by design, a little more tolerant of soft-resets than FAT16 would be. I format the card in my SD card reader (in my computer), then copy the info onto the card.

Anyways, sorry for the hex/dec problem, I'll correct it in the first post.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Amlethae:
Thanks for clarifying this... I found that XDA Live .20.1 had the wrong values set (8196 in Hex) and needed to be fixed. I hope that someone figures this out before it continues to be a problem (my SD card had problems immediately).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lpsi2000:
One thing that I have observed every since I have been having this issue, it will only start to happen after i attached the phone to the PC via USB. I have kept my phone away from my computer an active sync for almost two days after a soft reset and I did not experience the issue.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
It would help to post the following:

1) What brand of SD card do you use?

2) Where was the card MANUFACTURED (it will say ON THE MicroSD card itself)

3) Have you applied the registry fix shown in post #1?

4) What file format are you using? (FAT or FAT32)

5) What TYPE of 'disappearing' are you seeing? (refer to post 1 for the different types of disappearing SD card issues)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mixmaven:
Eagle, are you using tweaks2k? I noticed mine was at 33174 and I had set system tricks, panel 5, increase pnp. I set is manually to 8196. I would be curious if people without memory cards and XDA live are having lock ups... let us know if you try.

-mix
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagle 1:
Yea, I have used tweak2k, but not since I installed xda live. I did find that yes, xda live has set it to the 33174. So, I backed up the sdcard, reformated at low level and restored back (pocket mechanic). I then set the parameters to the 8196 decimal. I have not had any of the problems with wake up since the format, but I have had the problem where the directories are empty and it looks like there is no free space. But it definitely runs better after the format and the 8196 parameters. Much more stable.

1) Sansdisk 2BG

2) Taiwan

3) Applied the fix

4) Originally had fat 16 and reformated to Fat 32

5) Directories look empty, but only once since reformatting
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jszeto:
IT Can be fix ! Have you fixed it yet ??

I know the problem is by the Outlook, if u have tick the box of --> "Option" -> "Storage" -> 'When availiable, use this storage card to store attachments' !!

it is because of that, ifself try to make a save to "Store Card" , so its will create a save under /Store Card/.../...

This is why there will have been a folder took place, and crash it originally assigned SD card's name "Store Card", would now become "Store Card2" was therefore the result of reassigning !!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jszeto:
The solution I have, for the Missing SD card !

1) Never tick the box, on the Storage Option of Outlook!

OR

2) Never pull ur SD card out! Switch off PPC, before doing So !!

Choose to do either one, would avoid the issue!!

IF there is any better method, pls pls do PM me, Pls let me know!

Thanks every XDA's man ! U guys a greatest people
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Did you even bother to read this thread through? There is a two-part fix posted in post #1 of this thread.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] silent_killa:
Just thought i would comment on this as i have never once experienced this issue and i have had my tytn for roughly 6 months with the same card. I will admit though that i didn't try the AKU 3.3 ROM though. Have used Orange UK original ROM, HTC SA 1.35, WM6 Vanilla, WMXL v.10 & v.20 all with no issue.

Kingston 1GB

Made in Japan

FAT16

S.K.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] aquanaut88:
I've had a sandisk 1gb microSD (made in taiwan) since August, use it every day loaded with both navigation maps and navigation software, cab and media files. If it is removed while the device is powered on, the card cannot be accessed unless repowering the device. I think this is part of jszeto's comment and is correct. For example, after applying the 8196 decimal tweak/fix, the device exhibits the same behaviour lunder WM6. So, if this is some kind of fix, it may work for others but has no affect with my combination of OS and hardware.

Cheers
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] at10ti0n:
same here: applied fix on wm6 xda live 0.20 but after some time it disappears. My phone is orange spv m3100.

And my type of disappear is i think type 2
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Aeroadster:
Does OS make a difference

I never had a problem with my card disappearing before until I removed (while the phone was on) and popped it into a PC running Vista to copy over some files.

It's always worked and been rediscovered when I've removed it (while phone was on) and put the card into my laptop running XP SP2.

I made the registry changes taking care to enter the correct entries for Decimal values and the card is still no longer detectable.

I can read and write to the card when using XP or Vista, but not on WM5.

:(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sirtrini:
FIX for my 2gb Missing Card Problem

This applies to both XDAlive v.20 and the new LVSW WM6 ROMS

These settings never worked for me. Programs on the memory card after a while would hang or not launch at all. This was a non stop nuisance since leaveing 2.3AKUS.

HKLM\System\StorageManager]

"PNPUnloadDelay" = dword:33174 or 8096 or 4096

"PNPWaitIODelay" = dword:33174 or 8096 or 4096

After a few days of running it like this, I have had no problems with launching apps from the storage card.

My settings are:

HKLM\System\StorageManager]

"PNPUnloadDelay" = dword:0 (DEC)

"PNPWaitIODelay" = dword:0 (DEC)

for information purposes I'm using a 2gb Sandisk (Taiwan made) card - I believe it's real - but you never can tell any more!

Let me know if it works for you too!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
I've taken M$ advice to heart and baked the 8196 settings into a new WM6 build. I'm testing with it now and will try installing stuff to run from the card (which seems to be where everything chokes).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagle 1:
Yes, the 8196 seems to work the best, but still has issues. Setting it to Zero or other value causes my device to have the "Wake up issue"

The issue we have been discussing has nothing to do with removing the card, and then causing storage card2, etc. that is a very common, and well known issue.

The issue is as legolastheelf states in the first post. Setting the parameter to 8196, eliminates the wake up issue, but still occassional you can't access the files on the card. When this happens you also will get errors when trying to access the pgm. With 8196, you can see all the files, but they are inaccessable. Also if you look at the memory settings for the storage card, it shows as full or no free space.

For me, it started happening on aku2.3 and above...

I still wonder, why the XDA Live roms' have the value set at 33174 and also tweaks2k also sets this value....Apparently, this setting used to be advised??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kikouyou:
the 0 setting worked for me today

This rom (Vanillia with all the fixes to get it to what I want) is so stable that I have not rebooted yet today!

However, I did a lot of on/off

All today's apps are in main or extended memory

But SD apps are still working up to now...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lpsi2000:
My device was already set to 8196 and I am still having this issue. As I mentioned before, it only start happening after I connect to PC with Active Sync.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Just FYI, I purchased another 1GB Kingston MicroSD card and instead of being made in Japan, this one was made in TAIWAN!!! :eek: argh! Both were from Amazon.com, both were the SAME item #, just one is from Taiwan. I've installed it in my parents' 8525 to see if it works or not, so, I'll report back if it's a Japan/Taiwan thing or a Kingston/everything else thing :)

If not, I'm going to call Kingston (and Crucial too probably) and ***** to them about their crappy Taiwan SD cards... Maybe we can get some real satisfaction! :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Ok.. Here's the result: the Taiwan cards DO NOT WORK AT ALL!

I called Kingston and spoke to a very nice lady who was quite interested in the information I had gathered about the card and she shared with me that the Japan cards use a Toshiba controller; the Taiwan use something different. So, the bottom line here is this:

There is a PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JAPAN AND TAIWAN CARDS! THEY USE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CONTROLLERS **AND** KINGSTON CONFIRMED THAT **ALL** TAIWAN CARDS MAY BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HERMES AS THEY ALL USE THE SAME CONTROLLER!!

So, if your Hermes loses cards, and it's not a Japanese made card, get it replaced for one that is. There is NO WAY to get a Taiwan card to operate 100% perfectly with the Hermes!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stewcp:
My 1GB SanDisk Ultra II in made in Taiwan!!! is there any make card which is definitely made in Japan? Otherwise, without physically seeing them in the flesh, you don't know what you'll get until it arrives on ya door step!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Well, I'm doing the whole RMA thing with Kingston; you may want to reference this website when you call :)

Crucial does NOT have a Japan card.

SanDisk - no idea.. haven't called them yet..

Kingston WILL SEND the Japan card on request!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] popart:
Hi,

I think problem has nothing to do with make or origin of card. Maybe the kingston is better but sandisk works fine:

First of all I did not have to change anything in registry.

I had the problem with all roms acu 3.3 & wm6.

Most of my software is installed on the sdcard except the main today screen plugins.

After alot of greaf I managed to solve the problem by doing the following simple thing:

I opened options in messenger and went to storage option

then i removed the when available use the storage card to store attachments.

After this every has been fine for over a week now. I tried different roms and all is ok. Problem must have been solved as I was having the problem almost every single day before.

Hope this helped

Regards

Popart ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Well, Kingston said there is a difference between the cards. I trust them.

Great.. Glad that works for you. My mail on the other hand, both the messages themselves AND the attachments are on the SD Card; and have been like that for a week or so with NO issues whatsoever. I also have a ton of other programs on the SD card and it works 100% flawlessly. I'm guessing that's better than your setup... :rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Applestar:
BTW: Thse tweaks are already part of the XDA-live ROM. No need to change them there... (v0.1 ff)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
Kingston's RMA department in the USA got the entire story on this whole issue. So, if you want to buy a Japan Kingston card, you can call them directly and *request* the Japan made card specifically. They can and will ship the Japan card specifically on request. Very impressed with the customer service with Kingston! Highly recommended! :)

FYI, the reg. hack probably has a lot less to do with the SD card issue than the controller in the card (which you can determine by finding the origin of manufacture. Japan has the Toshiba, which you want). However, the reg. hack seems to also have the positive effect of helping with the device never waking up with the SD Card inserted, so, it's definately worth the hack for that issue alone.

But, between the Kingston Japan SD Card and the reg. hack, I've been HEAVILY using the SD Card for about a week without a SINGLE failure!

Heavy usage includes:

1) ALL Emails *AND* attachments on card

2) ALL games on card

3) FlexWallet database (activesynced to desktop) on card

4) Iambic VehicleManager (activesynced to desktop) on card

5) Lots of other programs and utilities, some started on startup, all on card.

NO failures!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kikouyou:
Can you provide the exact reference of this japan card and where to buy it?

Tx
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] robt2379:
I think that sometimes people can become lost in a problem and forget somebasic facts. I have a Tytn and a 1gb sandisk card. The original supplied rom (cant remember the number , but AKU2.3 had *no* problems with disappearing cards. Since I have upgrade through AKU3.3 to WM6, my problems with card access have become worse and worse.

If it worked on the early roms then its hard to see a controller incompatability, just something has changed in rom that no longer works properly with my card.

Its a real pain too.

Rob
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] JasenR:
Concur

robt2379

I agree! I have a Taiwan card that worked fine until I started playing with the new ROMs. I was having all the problems mentioned here so I just went back to my old ROM because I needed to get some stability in my device and as soon as I "Downgraded" everything was good to go again.

As a side note, one of the things that caught my attention when playing with WM6 is that running the Ext ROM tweak amplified the problem. Maybe it and WM6 aren't playing nice together? I wanted to check into that further, but 2 weeks with an unstable device was enough for me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] LegolasTheElf:
The original rom worked just fine with the Taiwan cards; you're right. However, this issue isn't limited to the Hermes. Almost *ALL* PPC's have issues with SD Cards for some reason or other. In this case, I've found a card and reg. hack that allows you to have NO ISSUES with the card.

Let's put this in perspective. A new Kingston Japan 1GB MicroSD at Amazon.com is $12. For $12, you get a perfectly stable device. OR, you can keep shuffling items off the card, limit your usage of the device and/or keep trying to make your precious SanDisk card work... For me, $12 was a small price to pay for stability! I paid $400USD for the phone; plus hundreds more for cases, extended batteries, software, etc.. I figure that if someone can afford a $400+ phone, you can afford to swap the SD Card for one that's more stable.

The old Cingular rom SUCKS, and the radio drained my battery WAY too fast. The 2.06 rom with the 1.34 radio are awesome. I almost never have any freezing, battery life is good, etc..

Amazon.com seems to have a mix of the japan and taiwan cards--so... You may want to buy direct from Kingston, OR, just buy from Amazon and call Kingston up if you get the wrong one. It says where it's made on the back of the packaging where the bar code is. You don't even need to open the package to tell which one it is.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagle 1:
Which XDA Live version includes these tweaks? If it is version .10, then wy was it changed in version .20? I am running version .20 of XDA Live and upon installation or hard reset the parameters show as 33174 (decimal) or 8196 (hexidecimal). I had to manually change the reg setting to 8196. I believe the suggested setting is 8196 decimal. So which version of XDA shows 8196 decimal? or is it in one of the fix files? Anyone testing version .30 and can tell us what the settings are in version .30?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] JasenR:
So the bottom line is that it is a rom issue, (not surprising, that's why they are listed as test roms and not stable roms) not a Taiwan SD card issue. I'm glad you found a solution that works for you. I have Japan SD in my other PDA, next time I feel like playing I'll flash up and give your method a try, but right now I'm happy with SA 135 which gives me 2 days battery life and never needs a reset. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] progmode:
I ordered a pair of Kingston 1gb cards from Newegg and got lucky, both made in Japan.

Anyway, I just want to say, with the change of SD card and the reg edit, several issues have been fixed for me:

Media player can now update library without locking up

IM+ no longer causes phone to hang when run from the SD card

No more disappearing SD card in general

I've been running solid for about 24 hours now and haven't had any issues. This is fantastic! Thanks for this great find Legolas!