yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Bivvz:
My bootloader is already locked so I have Safestrap for now. I'm currently on 4.4.2 via OTA. I'm just wondering if that affects the use of Odin at all. I'm still new to this and really paranoid with this locked bootloader but i wanna try flashing either superliterom or PaulPizz to the stock slot without having to worry about not being able to flash back to stock.

right now im rooted(towelroot) with unofficial safestrap and supersu installed to system.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] monkey1024:
Upgrade to stock 4.4

Hi,

I am still in stock 4.1.2 rooted and BL unlocked, however I need to upgrade to latest version (4.4) stock firmware in order to bind my company account. I understand that may never root the phone any more and I can accept it. What's the best approach for me?

If I do not care about root and custom rom, can I just follow the procedure as follow?

1. since I already rooted, I just download safestrap and install it

2. download Stock 4.4 VRUDNE1 rom and install using safestrap.

Can anyone confirm it for me? Or anyone can suggest a better solution for me to upgrade to stock 4.4? Thanks
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jhssal:
You need to flash this in ODIN.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ronaldphp:
Wifi and bluetooth

Wifi and bluetooth is not workig on my phone after taking this update. :( Will you help me? How xan I reactivate wifi and bluetooth? And also my hardware version is not I535.10 but I535.00 what am i going to do?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] miftahulfauzi:
Root for samsung android 4.1
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ryanallaire:
So I have my daughter this phone to use and she hasn't used it in a while, not sure what happened but it won't go past the splash screen. It's got a locked bootloader unfortunately, what's the best way to go about flashing back to stock through Odin?
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 5373808:
Yesterday I installed this Lollipop AOSP Rom http://xdaforums.com/lg-g-pad-83/development/rom-android-5-0-lollipop-lrx21m-t2941207 to my V500 via TWRP 2.7.0.1. First flashed the rom.zip and after that the gapps.zip....The Rom Booted Normaly. But There was no navigation bar. I Tried two more times but i faced the same problem... So i reflashed the final Mahdi build.... Does anyone have the same issue? or have i to do or flash something else?
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whoamigriffiths:
Could be the same issue that's cropping up on the G3.

There's two ways to get it fixed, but it's all a bit hit and miss.

First fix is to format data partition, then wipe the internal sd. Make sure you have all the files you need to flash on your external sd card. Also back up any important data.

Second fix is to sort out is cannot write to internal sd.

Follow this guide in post 2 http://xdaforums.com/lg-g3/development/rom-mod-7-rom-mod-1-4-1-g3-d855-t2887669
[G Pad 8.3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 5373808:
thank you very much... I will give this a try.... :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
NOTE: I'm still building s2ve, I'll upload it later.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] aistiss4:
Can't wait

can't wait for test! so excited
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] essuraj:
Awesome

PLease dont forget the Non NFC edition.. :) keep up the good work
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] DenisRonaldo798:
you can easily flash P-recovery and enjoy the dev's work
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
Hy, please upload today a download link for CM12, i really want to try it as faster as i can. :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] DenisRonaldo798:
It will be uploaded today,just be patient!
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
Buy me SSD or better PC then I would build it faster.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
Oh, sorry, i don't want to be ungrateful,but i'm really excited and i want to try it...:angel:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
First of all: thank you so much for this amazing work! I can't wait to try!:D:D

How long do you think will it take?:)

Because for me the day ends in 3-4 hours:(
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Newku:
So i can't add contacts to my phone or sim ?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Thaitonz:
About Gapps?

Thank you very much : LuK1337!

Does somebody know what Gapps we must use in this rom?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
I think we can use this:

https://s.basketbuild.com/filedl/gapps?dl=gapps-lp-20141109-signed.zip
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
You can save contacts on Phone but not on sim.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Thaitonz:
:)

Ok. Thank you!
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Newku:
thank you very much luk
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] moonship:
Can We flash with normal cwm, exept 6.0.5.1?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] blurhns:
it looks pretty good.

i tended to think that we wouldn't get that soon cm12, but luk is the best dev,also,grand duos devs.

we wait for ur build uploaded.

thank you man.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
Does it work with PhilzTouch by hacky?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] michal80:
I can't wait :victory: :victory:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] allard1997:
Do I have to do a wipe if I'm comming from PAC?

And do I really need ClockworkMod for CM12 or can I just use TWRP?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
I'm pretty sure that every our recovery supports SElinux.

No, TWRP does support SELinux.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] haky 86:
Nice work :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] KHZROM:
What means SElinux p..mode also we cant make logs?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] allard1997:
Does this ROM also works with F2FS?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SethPDA:
Aprox how much time until build is done and upload is done? I still have about 2-3 hours left from my day and I almost can't wait to test out lollipop myself :D

GREAT WORK by the way! This is why I love XDA!
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Mohamed Elhadad:
great work luk u are the best
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] andixlm:
ok, guys. I've got working 5.0 on I9105... Will upload screens in a few minutes :)

UPD: screens
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
Cyanogenmod?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
My build is about to get done.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] KHZROM:
Whrn will the s2vep Version uploaded
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] andixlm:
I used my own sources. Tomorrow I'll make a separate CM12 thread
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SethPDA:
That is awesome news! Uploading the rom shouldn't take longer than 1 hour I think then :D
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
I'm pretty sure that they won't be much different.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
Are you goin to upload AOSP rom?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
No, too much work.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
Wanted to ask andrew, sorry
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] andixlm:
Maybe. But my sources have improvements, they are cleaner, faster , more stable.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SethPDA:
We'll see. Anyway, GREAT JOB for BOTH of you guys!!!
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] andixlm:
But we need to say many thanks to pawitp. If not him, we won't get any CM at all.

LuK1337, and I just want to help and improve CM for our device, no agression or something.

---------- Post added at 12:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:56 AM ----------

Will be here in 1-1.5 hours for I9105 (not P!).
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] beegee:
Great job mates.

Really glad that we have something on this community.

Cheers.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] KHZROM:
Thank you so much guys for cm12
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
Oh, sorry, when will be ready the P version ? :D And many thanks for your hard work Luk :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] KHZROM:
Hey luk do you upload the Rom for p Version and how long takes the upload
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] znayver:
cant wait cm12 for the p version tnx for all pawitp and luk
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] moonship:
gedult, people ... gedult. Give the dev time to build.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] KHZROM:
Moonship have we heer a german people me too man

---------- Post added at 09:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:55 PM ----------

Is this Rom so stabile that i can use Thema for every day
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
I can instal NON P roms on P version ?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Thaitonz:
No.

I think not; because there are different builds. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SethPDA:
You can without problems. But there wont be any NFC option in the settings. You just need a non p recovery and it will work.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] CoolDevelopment:
great work
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] LuK1337:
note: this build contains broken hardware keys, I'll build fixed one tomorrow cuz I have to sleep XD
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] allard1997:
Download is up
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] znayver:
whats the meaning of (ClockworkMod recovery with SELinux

support) you mean philz or what please post this recovery.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] allard1997:
If you took some time to look in this topic that isn't big yet so it's not a problem then you would find your answer.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] znayver:
what??i talk about the recovery to flash cm12 in s2vep because i think this is a new recovery and the old recovery cant flash cm12 s2vep [MENTION=3117667]pawitp[/MENTION] post the new recovery in her post in cm12 for galaxy grand..so mr [MENTION=343466]luk[/MENTION] dont post it yet.you know my prblm now or not mr?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] allard1997:
Yes I get it and my answer is still the same.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] znayver:
okéy tnx mr :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] blurhns:
edit:i find out,doesn't matter.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] msamrdzic:
grea, fast

First of all, thanks to dev! this is really fast. I didn't expect M12 for s2+ in this record time. However, I just flashed my s2+ with vep version, and there is one big problem - no network, cann't conect to cellular network at all. When I try to find cellural operator manualy get no sim card or com.android.phone has stoped. Also little bug - in settings, two same icons of home, for buttons and theme.

I want to help dev, so this is some bug report for now :)

Keep with good work
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] juupi:
As said earlier, cellular network does not work :/. Also on me some android processes crashes pretty often. I didn't wipe data, only caches.

E. And of course, thanks for having lollipop :) !
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] kidmanis:
For me network works, but I did wiped everything before flashing. As Luk said, it still alpha, so better wait if you want a full working android 5.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] msamrdzic:
i didn't wipe anything, just flash 5.0 from cwm 0.5, before this I used cm m11 4.4.4.

Offcorse I just want to help for now only with comment, when I know how to fix bug I wil write :D hahahah
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SH1M4BD3:
Damn Fast.....cool everyone should donate to him, thanks [MENTION=343466]luk[/MENTION] awesome moves

OrdinaryNoob
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] essuraj:
s2+ve ?

[MENTION=343466]luk[/MENTION] the s2ve folder in basketbuild is empty :(
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] RVR:
GApps: https://s.basketbuild.com/filedl/gapps?dl=gapps-lp-20141109-signed.zip

Root Access: http://download.chainfire.eu/589/Sup...erSU-v2.16.zip
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SethPDA:
Yep. No celular data. Calling works, and also hardware keys. Also the Power off button(not the hardware button) does not work, cannot power off device.

But for an alpha, it's pretty functional. Great work dev! I'll keep checking for new builds to test them out.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Newku:
Also the whatsapp freezes and chrome
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SH1M4BD3:
Nebulla+Mosh both of them still works, tested

OrdinaryNoob
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] naskodeuces:
I have twrp recovery ,can i flash it with it? Or do i need clockworkMod ?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SethPDA:
You can flash it with twrp but yet isnt for everyday use. Its still alpha, data connection is not working and there are some random crashes.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] naskodeuces:
[MENTION=4455301]SethPDA[/MENTION] Thank you :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] enry1898:
If you do a complete wipe data work :good:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Newku:
[MENTION=4455301]SethPDA[/MENTION] or [MENTION=5075128]LuK1337[/MENTION] do you know why all apps are freezing like youtube, chrome or whatsapp etc
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] beegee:
Have in mind that lollipop is having ART runtime.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] moonship:
[MENTION=4692592]andrewww57[/MENTION]

When will the thread be open?
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Dugi324:
keep prompting PUK although then the dam pin twice that now blocks the puck and wonders what could it be?

sry my englis comes from Slovakia
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] KHZROM:
also i need to give the puk in because i gived 3 x the right pin in and then comes that with puck:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] kidmanis:
"note: this build contains broken hardware keys, I'll build fixed one tomorrow cuz I have to sleep XD "

"Version Information

Status: Alpha"

It says at the first post, and not only… still a work in progress. Just have a little patience and soon will have something to put our finger on.;)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] anastasiszn:
All youtube apps,whatsapp,imdb,greek wpa finder,greader not working

Στάλθηκε από το GT-I9105P μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] beegee:
WiFi - Works

RIL/data - Works

Screenshot - Works

Bluetooth - Works

Vibration - Works

USB - Didn't tested.

NFC - Doesn't work.

Google Chrome freezes sometimes.

Whatsapp freezes always.

Youtube also.

Usually freezes when you try to access in storage, via some File Manager. (There's no CM File Manager still)

No access to storage/sdcard1 or storage/sdcard0

For an Alpha, really good.

Keep up the good work. Cheers!
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] warface123:
I am syncing the sources now. I will try to help as much as possible! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] aistiss4:
Data problem

Data is not working :/

Did full wipe couple of times
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
For me to.

It shows a network connection but nothing loads.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Mohamed Elhadad:
Yes man u can do it
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] BMac5:
Really great work on the rom. Wifi, cellular data, hotspot, bluetooth, Youtube and most features are working and ext sd reads normally. Few issues as mentioned above include video recording, no file manager(but I tried es file manger and it works perfectly) and radio. I have a suggestion for the devs. After all the bugs are fixed, if more settings are added to the rom such as pie control and floating window, I believe this rom will be the best. Amazing work fellas, I appreciate ur efforts.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] SH1M4BD3:
Sorry

OrdinaryNoob
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] abedazzam98:
what about the non-p rom ??
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] HIJAZ123:
how long more for a stable version ??days weeks or months ??:(:crying:
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] NW2000:
First official nightly at december 1st
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] ronnie498:
Mod Edit

Thread Closed - @ OP request

ronnie498

Forum Moderator
[Android Apps and Games] Cloaker:
So this is interesting...

Gmail and Inbox won't send emails over wifi.

I remember having this issue in the past with a different phone, but don't remember how I fixed it and I didn't find much info when searching for this problem.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
[Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tsddave:
I recently bought a TF300t second hand and I really need some help! Some years back I was playing around with custom roms on Android devices but im very out of touch.

I would like to install one of the more recent roms on this device. Any suggestion here appreciated.

The device has already been rooted and has TWRP v2.6.3.1 installed. I understand that I need to upgrade this to 2.8. to install the latest roms but im having issues doing that. For a start im unsure how to find out if I have the latest Bootloader 4.2

I really dont want to brick this device!

I tried using ADB to update TWRP but the usb connection never seemed to find my device in the right mode.

The device is currently running Android 4.2.1

Custom ROM CROMi-Xenogenesis 5.4 - 10.6.127.5 WW ODEX.

Any help and advice really appreciated :))
[Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] th3cr0w:
Android 4.2.1 is newest official.

10.6..... is bootloader version - newest there is.

flashing recovery and/or ROM will not overwrite bootloader - it stays the same.

You can go to twrp official website and get 2.8.0.1-4.2 blob to flash (unless your target rom states different version needed - see 1st post of yout target thread) - I got it from there - flashed KatKiss using it.

ADB - when android is running.

fastboot - on bootloader screen (booted with voldown+power - RCK / android / wipe data icons) - used to flash twrp blob
[Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tsddave:
Ok got it all fixed now. Thanks!
[Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaydotelloh:
So, not to hijack, but I'm actually in a similar boat. I'm currently rooted and unlocked on 4.1.1 TWRP 2.3.3.0 and am looking to flash the new 5.0 Rom.

Does anyone have a handy guide on what I should do? Do I just need to flash a 4.4 compatible TWRP version, then flash the ROM? Would like to avoid bricking my tablet.
[Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lj50036:
Yes here you are ....

Get the SKU from your bootloader screen .....

Then go to the Asus website and get the firmware for your SKU ending in 27.5 ...

Then unpack the zip and there will be another zip unzip it you will find a file called blob ....

Flash this blob from fastboot ...

Thx Josh
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vaifer:
Hi, i've got a problem with the Home and Back buttons. Sometimes when i double-click the home button becomes locked and i have to lock and turn on the screen for it to work

Is this problem normal? I've got a screensave and i don't know if that can cause it

thanks
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] majmoz:
Take a look at what you installed prior to issue showing up, if it was the screensaver then remove the screensaver to see if the issue goes away. If it did then it is your cause, if not what else did you do the phone. Don't forget to reboot the phone after each step to clear out any caches or residual programs.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funnel71:
OK, I'm on 4.4.4, stock, TWRP recovery (2.7.1.0) - and I tried to make the plunge to LPop via the OTA helpdesk thread - here's what I've done, and what I'm faced with.

> Upgraded TWRP to 2.8.1.0 from the TWRP site - success

> Put the OTA 5.0 ZIP file on my phone (success) and tried to flash with TWRP (failed - complained about test keys or something)

> I put stock recovery back on by going to google's site, getting the 4.4.4 factory image, extracted recovery.img from that, flashed it.

> Sideloaded the 5.0 update using the "section A" method (for all stock users) from the OTA helpdesk thread (success)

> I now have LPop, kept all my apps - put TWRP 2.8.1.0 back on, and put UPDATE-SuperSU_2.16 on my phone (success on both)

> Use TWRP 2.8.1.0 to flash SuperSU, and it appears successful.

But now, when I boot the phone, and launch SuperSU, it says it can't find the SU binary. So, I have no root. Root is the only thing I'm missing, otherwise the upgrade is done. Anyone care to comment on this please?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
You also need to flash a permissive kernel or a kernel that runs sudaemon on boot. [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] has a modified permissive boot.img or you can flash elementalX if you don't want permissive. However you can flash permissive followed by elementalx if you like.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dec1153:
Do what rootsu said or....use the chain faire auto root
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matrix_19:
CF-Auto-Root is a quick win :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
Its actually a slower win in this case.
[Android Apps and Games] ajaxvs:
Hello xda!

This time I released application with PC-like style for Android tablets. It's pretty comfortable as for me, I'd like to see your feedback.

This is Adobe Air + Starling + Feather application already with captive runtime.

Google play:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.ru.ajaxvs.vectorgfxmaker

Main Screen:

Demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rixl__ol9NQ

Full description for 0.9.2 version:

Well-known interface of desktop gfx editors is available on your tablet.

Now you can create your images so easy as you do it on PC.

Application was designed for Android Tablets 4.0+, screen: 7+ inches.

Recommended screen resolution: atleast 800x480+. Default settings: 1280x800.

Design tools included in current version:

# Brush. Allows to draw anything you want like you do it with a pencil.

# Crop. Get part of image if you don't need a whole one.

# Fill. Default flood fill paint tool.

# Colors and thickness. Dialogs for your draw customization.

# Undo. If you make mistake, you can simple fix it. You can set how many previous steps are saving in Options menu.

Shapes.

There're some desktop paint tools: Rectangle, Circle, Triangle, Line, Arrow, Text.

Every color or thickness of them can be changed.

Effects.

Even if it's not a simple graphics editor application, some effects were added.

You can:

# Blur image,

# Change it colors,

# Increase certain channel's force or whole tones,

# Make an image gray scale,

# Resize it (and save the smaller copy, for example),

# Flip Horizontal, Flip Vertical,

# Rotate Left, Rotate Right.

Some image effects or paint instruments will be added soon if application become a popular one.

You can browse your device file system, opening JPG, GIF, PNG files and save them in PNG or JPG format (you can set JPEG quality in Options menu).

There's no mobile (3-5 inches screen) version atm.

Application uses Adobe AIR, Starling and Feathers engines.
[Android Apps and Games] PetGS:
Looks very good

The app looks very good and the video is helpful for deciding if to install. I am definitely bookmarking this app!
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vbnmu:
Hi Guys

There are various threads pertaining to the same problem - I have tried some of the steps without much success so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Few days ago I updated some of the apps on my Moto G, from Google Play. One of the apps was SuperSU. During the updated, an error was displayed and my phone restarted. The error was something about systemui. I switched off my phone thinking it will be ok in the morning.

Since then it is booting to a blank screen. I have managed to boot to the the recovery?? screen (power + volume down).

Is there any way to access the files on my phone? I would loathe losing my pictures.

I would be really grateful if anyone could help me out with me.

My phone is a rooted first gen Moto G 16GB.
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vbnmu:
Any help guys?
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrcorey:
Try plugging the phone into a PC.
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vbnmu:
Wouldn't work.

What did work was:

[B]adb pull/[/B]

So, anyone who has a similar problem, try this. TWRP recovery and adb pull/

Thank you
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] 509eagle:
I know a lot of you guys say search. Well I have searched to the point of frustration.

My ATT GAlaxy was on 4.2, MF3. Yesterday I did manage to get it to 4.4, mk2. It is rooted and safestrap installed.

Seem when I serach I find this or that rom cant be used with safestrap, you need CWM. But wait, CWM doesn't work on my phone. Seems there is a catch 22 , everyplace.

I would just like to find a rom I can put on without big issues. I looked at Cm11 but same deal.

HELP

THanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] failedjedi:
welcome to the world of att ****ing us.

you need to use a touchwiz based rom.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] jmjoyas:
All the info you need http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2616221