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[One (M9) General] jshamlet:
Is it a groundbreaking device? No. It's an update to the M8. All in all, it's pretty much what I expected as well. The Ultrapixel camera is now where it should have been all along - as a selfi-cam. The rear camera is substantially higher resolution (though we will have to see how it actually performs). The CPU and memory have been upgraded substantially.

What exactly would you want in an enthusiast model? About the only thing I can think of is faster memory and a larger internal flash, but since it has an SD slot, that last one is still kind of optional.

The only other complaint I've heard is the retention of the large bands at the top and bottom of the LCD. I honestly suspect that the fat bands have become part of their design language, so I don't think it is going anywhere. (It's also where the actual speakers are located - the area under the grill is part of the soundboard) They may not look visually appealing, but they do contribute to the deeper bass you get from this device.
[One (M9) General] Poetique:
You've got to remember that people around here sometimes have a very badly warped perception of what an "enthusiast" device is.

The M9 more than qualifies for that, as does pretty much anything octo-core right now.
[One (M9) General] th3:
This is about the company that I adore, as well as its product users.

M9 isn't an enthusiast product - enthusiast segment is always ground breaking (M7/M8). And enthusiast segment is always at the top end, not representing your 85% of the consumers.

That 85% segment is Mainstream and Budget.

It's just an updated model, but nothing enough to force any regular M8 user to upgrade.

Only niche users and upgradaholics will be justifying to.

And as any financial company, each update is intended that you WANT to convince every previous model user to upgrade. That's where HTC are failing.

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[One (M9) General] Slicktune:
This phone is a piece of sh**! One year and this Is what they come up with, probably more than a year because I'm sure they started m9 before the m8 was released! This is what the m8 should of packed...with the 801 processor of course..but noooooo EVERYONE content with whatever HTC throw at us, we need to start a damn riot, burn down these HTC buildings make em start a real project zero! from the ground up,these guys (HTC company) are at roof top on a golf course sipping on the most expensive champagne/moet/wine eating the most expensive steak! And we here looking at our hands with some mediocre crap that we think were happy with but in all reality there is always something missing....smhh we need ppl like Hitler were if he would have asked for an m9 with the

Snapdragon 820 64bit processor

5.2' gorilla glass sapphire edition

2k display

64gb with expandable storage

No more scratchable brushed metal crap.(This phone needs to last, brushed metal gets nicked too easy)

Rear 16 ultra pixel camera

4 ultra pixel front camera

integrated Bose sound speakers

3,400 mah battery

And if it wouldn't get done in time Hitler would have annihilated them, the next group would have been scared and made it possible...

Who's with me!!! [emoji110]
[One (M9) General] ThePhoneGeek:
Well we probably could do without the Hitler reference but if we did follow his logic then we'd all have phones that were exactly the same except for color and we'd have them for twenty years. ;)

That said I think I understand your overall point in that as consumers there is nothing wrong with us making our point known that if they want our hard earned money then they're going to have to work harder at innovating to earn it. I do agree with the "we're mad as he*l and we're not going to take it anymore" mindset but perhaps we'd be better served writing directly to those in charge at HTC and expressing that outrage and encouraging other like minded folks to do the same. ;)

MG
[One (M9) General] TwistyValhalla:
HTC One M10 Adolf Hitler Edition.. now we just need a fan render of it. Maybe less of a chin and more of a toothbrush mustache haha
[One (M9) General] th3:
He has a good point. If you just take anything a company throws at you for the same (high) price, they become complacent and you start settling for less ... and less.

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[One (M9) General] Jonny:
Hitler references aside (we could do without those thanks) you need to seriously think about some of the points you are making (eg 2K screen, it makes absolutely no technical sense on this sort of screen and would only be there for the spec whores).

Oh and anyone saying the M9 isn't an enthusiast device, what planet are you living on???
[One (M9) General] th3:
He's exaggerating but making an obvious point. A consumer demands the best for their money. And more could have been done with the M9, well within their capacity.

It's a Performance segment update to an Enthusiast segment product (M8).

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[One (M9) General] Jonny:
Enthusiast devices are classed as such by their specifications... anyone looking at the M9 specs is either blind or a fool not to realize this is an enthusiast device.

More could have been done with the M9 with regards to its design yes but not spec wise - spec wise this phone beats all other devices hands down atm.

And typical consumers generally only care about screen size (+ possibly screen resolution - though only to the extent of FHD, 2K/4K is hardly general consumer knowledge at the moment), possibly CPU speed/cores though not usually and camera. Remember, on XDA we are for the most part power users with good technical knowledge, typical consumers are not.

If you want an example of non-enthusiast devices then take a look at the range of phones from Kazam - great phones (I own the Thunder2 5.0 I won at XDA: DevCon14) but they are firmly mid-range, not enthusiast.
[One (M9) General] Imotep95:
Not really, only new camera. Sense 7 already running on M8(M7 also) ??
[One (M9) General] th3:
Enthusiast device caters only to the Enthusiast segment, which is a minority. Never to your general population. The thinking is, that their uproar will trickle down the company's full product lineup. This is basic company marketing 101 and it works.

A company calling a product Enthusiast doesn't make it automatically fit the enthusiast.

An enthusiast phone is cutting edge and risk taking with innovative Hardware, Software and Aesthetics.

Enthusiast flagships bring cutting-edge technology to the product. You see it with the M7/M8.

An enthusiast product is a designed for enthusiast demands, to MAKE them upgrade.

And after comparisons, it gives them good INCENTIVE to upgrade.

HTC skimped on this device big time and no way does this device offer any major incentive to upgrade. As of what is known yet...

I refuse to call any small incremental change a flagship enthusiast device. The HTC we know could have done much better.

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[One (M9) General] PlatinumNick:
You might wanna do more reading because it's way more than that
[One (M9) General] Slicktune:
Thank you, great minds think alike

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[One (M9) General] Jonny:
And with that single line you've just blown up all of your own arguments as to why the M9 is not an enthusiast product - excellent, saves me the time and trouble of doing it myself.

(And don't bother coming back with the "But it hasn't got a 2K screen", I've already reasoned that one out and have no interest in going through it again).
[One (M9) General] TwistyValhalla:
We gotta keep things in perspective though. I know we love tech and that's why we're here on this forum. We want companies to push boundaries and innovate products that we can be excited about. Yes, the M9 is not "exciting" but it looks like a damn good phone to me. Why do I think it's a damn good phone? Because M8 was arguably the best Android phone of 2014 and HTC listened to customers and made necessary improvements. Bigger battery - check, better camera - check, M8 too slippery - check, keep away from PPI fad - check, spec bump across the board - check. Now, will this be enough for HTC as a company? Only time will tell.
[One (M9) General] Miketoberfest:
A 'small incremental change' is vastly understated. Just because the device resembles its predocessor, does not mean it isn't cutting edge. Aesthetically, the time spent to create just one m9 doubled to 300 minutes or 5 hours. Remember, each m9 is partially handmade, out of a single peice of aluminum with their zero gap process. No other oem does this. That's cutting edge.

Hardware wise we see a saphire lens protecting an imaging sensor that is only a few months old. The 20nm SoC, even with its concerns (albeit, still unfounded) definitely falls under the cutting edge category. I'd say the 14nm exynos is bleeding edge tech. Debatable, yes. Desirable, yes. (The manufacturing process, not the exynos) Category 9 LTE, Lpddr4 ram. The FHD panel is not cutting edge, but I'd argue that it appeals more to the enthusiast. The Dolby collaboration only enhances the already, industry leading boomsound speakers. You'd be hard pressed to find a better FFC than the re-purposed ultra pixel snapper. The s6's new cutting edge onboard memory type would be a welcomed addition. I think the enthusiast would rather the SD capabilities though. (Debatable)

All of this awesome tech is married to the newest software versions that Google and HTC have to offer. To me, this isn't just a small incremental change. Ultimately all points are debatable. To say that they 'skimped' is highly subjective.

I thought the other leaked renders were gorgeous. However, I do not think that they take anything away from how gorgeous the m9 turned out to be.
[One (M9) General] Renaud_qc:
S6 128 Go is 919.95 $ CAd at Videotron .ca
[One (M9) General] VR32:
the only point i have to make here is that M8 owners appear to be the only ones complaining. i understand being compelled to upgrade when you don't actually need to... that's the enthusiast segment. but many of us never had an M8. so me upgrading from my S3 (4th one, in fact) will be a win-win-win. folks like me couldn't hardly dream up a valid complaint. this is the upgrade from hell.
[One (M9) General] th3:
Geez...

My points haven't even been addressed yet. This is silly.

Who said anything about 2k?? [emoji4]

Let me clear it out. Let's talk business, from HTCs perspective.

HTC ONE M7, and then the M8, were industry leading, ground-breaking, premium class, executive look and feel, flagship, enthusiast designs.

A flagship enthusiast device, coming after the glittering success of M7 and then the M8;

-Does not need 2nd gen tri-gate finFET 3D transistors with high-k metal gate

-Does not need double exposure, 14nm litho doing LP

-Does not need 8 Kryo cores at 2GHz

-Does not need Adreno 530 at 400 GFLOPs

-Does not need Snapdragon 820

-Does not need QHD 2k panel

-Does not need 4GB 6b LPDDR4 20nm

-Does not need 64GB 15nm Hynix NAND

-Does not need BT 4.1, USB 3.0

-Does not need Hexagon QDSP6 v6 20nm

-Does not need 3000mAh battery

-Not a 20MP camera either...

...To gain users.

What it needs, is to:

-Improve some of the complaints about the software/UI, and add more tweaks

-Improve the performance somewhat (update some hardware)

-Improve the facefront look and ergonomics of the phone

-Retain or increase the premium executive class look and feel or the phone

-Increased viewable screen estate in the same frontal size (% screen to body occupied)

-Improve the camera

-Increase power efficiency/battery life

-Improve on the audio (done!)

-Easily convince its M8 users to upgrade. If they will laud and love it, so will every other segment including the M7 users.

That's what has always worked for HTC and HTC know it. Internal market research knows this very well.

Not keep milking us with incrementally updating a 2013 innovative design (M7).

Don't be so naive to fall for basic marketing. A company stalling in innovation is not in your benefit or theirs.

It's OK, M9 improves a bit in a few ways (and redacts in looks) but it is in no way what it could or should have been, and hopeful enthusiasts have been let down. So don't try and tell us otherwise like paid shills.

You wanna see what enthusiast innovation and cutting-edge means?

Go compare the One X (2012) vs the M7 (2013), then come back to me and talk.

OK, we don't expect that every generation, but even the M8 was a brilliant but subtle upgrade.

As far as what we should expect vs what we get: That's subjective. And so is near enough every opinion on here [emoji13]

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[One (M9) General] Jonny:
You're contracting yourself... by your own definitions of what it "needs" to have for an enthusiast device, the M9 meets or exceeds all but 2 of those.

But hey, if you don't think its enthusiast enough for you then don't get it - simples ;)
[One (M9) General] th3:
Better camera? Really?

Improved battery life and power?

Both are unknown yet. Scores out so far for the hardware are very poor vs S6.

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[One (M9) General] md1008:
I think having four or at least 3 speakers would be cool. That way no matter how you set your phone you can still hear sound very well.

I sure hope it's at least 5.5 inches if not 6.

More ram is always nice keeps the phone more feature proof.
[One (M9) General] gleggie:
My dream M9 Specs:

5" 1080p or 1440p

13 or 16 mp camera

5 mp front facing camera

Snapdragon 810 (805 is probably fine, 810 would be more future proof tho)

3GB RAM

32 or 64 GB storage with micro SD support

small bezel and remove the HTC logo on bottom bezel

Boomsound speakers
[One (M9) General] G1_enthusiast:
...so you give one example out of how Many phones tablets model that have plastic back? I can give you threads of HTC one M7 of overheating issue too, bad enough to where it will render the camera useless and unable to touch.

Samsung is not the only company that make plastic back, LG, xiaomei and several others too and so far the majority have no issue, it saves weight and I I'm willing to wager that heat dissipation is better too.
[One (M9) General] G1_enthusiast:
http://www.electronics-cooling.com/2007/08/thermal-diffusivity/

what I got from the article ...yes alumminum is better heat dissipation, however one must taken into account the density of the aluminum vs let say a Polycarbonate plastic back. So if the HTC one M8 vs Other plastic back phone of the same setup, same condition, the plastic material would win regard to heat dissipation because of it thinner and smaller density. only when the two back have the same density (1lb aluminum vs 1lb plastic) then aluminum would win however this is not the case.

I'm pretty sure if PC plastic is bad for phone then Samsung, Nokie and HTC would be bankrupt a long time ago.

as far as your camera statement goes, that was not true with my HTC one M7, the camera would continue to record however the LCD show redness all over the display until the phone is cool off.
[One (M9) General] Wonders_Never_Cease:
I dont think any of this has anything to do with rumoured specs...How about the arguing about metal and plastic subsides or take it to p.m.'s
[One (M9) General] LenAsh:
Moderator Note​

Thread cleaned.

A few of you decided to start some unpleasant bickering - senior members should know better. If anyone makes comments that you consider offside, please raise a report rather than rise to the bait.

Some healthy debate is always expected, and encouraged, in a thread like this but it should NEVER become personal.

Additonally, when you make "factual" statements, please back these up with links to your source(s).

Thanks
[One (M9) General] sakarboy:
Is Snapdragon 805 810? Obviously Z4 and now Sony Xperia HTC One processor in the winter months is expected to be introduced models such as the M9 prefer a little uncertain situation. Seen in the first quarter of 2015 will be released in the new top-level roadmap Qualcomm Snapdragon processor 810, February - can catch the phone will be introduced until March period. Because the market will be designed and pre-series phones so they go into production after obtaining approval from the relevant place. Required stocks began to occur Does placed on the market. So to catch the Snapdragon 810 for this large process a chance. HTC One M9 at 805 noises Snapdragon, according to reports from China Taiwanese manufacturer HTC's new flagship Snapdragon processor 805 will be used. 5.5-inch screen with a resolution qHD phone to be used, you will have 3 GB of RAM. For the avoidance of the previous HTC mAh battery with a very high value, he claims that were raised will be used M9 3500 mAh battery. Let's HTC, will behave this time bonk on the battery? Ultrapiksel end! HTC's very unpopular Ultrapiksel camera technology is indispensable. Company, the 16 Megapixel Optical Image Stabilizer allegedly (OIS) will feature a supported camera. Then you can come in Prime! HTC One M9 In addition to the model using a Bose premium sound system and Snapdragon processor 810 may be attached to a model. Of course, now they are estimates only explanation that makes the Chinese website.
[One (M9) General] scream4cheese:
I think a 4k screen is just overkill. 1080p or better yet a 2K screen would suffice. It should be known that the more pixels there are, the more battery hungry the phone will get.
[One (M9) General] danger12345:
Everyone here is shooting specs but if these specs do come one must ask are you willing to pay the price
[One (M9) General] Sammydr10:
Honestly all they need to do to make me upgrade is:

- Better back camera (No Ultra-pixels, go back to megapixels and make it a 13 or 16 MP)

- Bigger Screen (5.5 at least!, bigger is better is the trend. Resolution is fine.)

- 3 GB of RAM (Please please please!!)

- Snapdragon 810 (805 wouldn't be the worst thing ever though)

These specs plus HTC Sense Lollipop screenshots that I've seen, best phone 2015!

What do you guys think?
[One (M9) General] xxxxchrisxxxx:
In all honesty I'm not keen on the trend for bigger screens. I'd prefer something of around 5" max but with significant improvements in screen to physical size ratio.

That would be the main improvement and is currently the main thing I dislike about my M8 - that I struggle to operate it in one hand without having to carefully manipulate it about at the risk of dropping it to reach the top of the screen. As someone else mentioned, if the black band above the bottom speaker with HTC on it could be removed and the remaining bezels be thinned out that would be great.

For me, bigger screens should be an option - i.e. Note 4 etc, but I'd hope that I can get one of the main top spec phones without it being nearly tablet size.
[One (M9) General] marky2mark:
Amen to this!! 5 to 5.2" is fine. I don't need to be carrying around a blackboard in my pocket.
[One (M9) General] PcFish:
I'm probably one of the few that will miss the Ultrapixel when it's gone. I just bought the RE on Black Friday, still not as good as the M8 for macro/low light. Great for selfies and video, but I found to like my M8 photos a lot better. I'd say keep the Ultrapixel and make it 12. That'll be a good medium.
[One (M9) General] PunishedSnake:
Hmm don't see HTC bar in that pic
[One (M9) General] gelo01:
Well, here's the M9/Hima specs according to [MENTION=1336289]upl[/MENTION]eaks

https://mobile.twitter.com/upleaks
[One (M9) General] thekalby:
upleaks/evleaks (evleaks gave upleaks his sources) is usually right. What does this mean for the leaks from a few days ago that said, snapdragon 805 and 2k 5.5 inch screen. Upleaks did say there would be a bigger version Is it possible that one would have a 2k and 5.5 inch screen? 805 still doesnt make sense.

Personally, I really do want a bigger phone. 810, 2k and 5.5 inch screen would be ideal for me. Also love the supposed picture of the m9 that came with the leak from a few days ago. I hope they end up doing the speakers like in that picture.
[One (M9) General] gelo01:
It is clearly stated that Hima is going to have S810 according to him. Read again please.

And knowing HTC, i'm pretty sure they wouldn't push Hima's display to 5.5" since there are also rumors of the M9/Hima Prime which is just a bit smaller than the One Max. HTC also don't go with the cliché when it comes to screen size. Remember that the M7 only have a 4.7" while the others were reaching 5" and beyond.

I still prefer FHD than the nonsense 2k or QHD screen. It's still 440+ ppi, so anything beyond that is just pure useless unless you are going to use your phone with a magnifying glass. And S810 on a FHD 5" screen would be overkill and may result to a much more overall smoothness than the already lagfree S801 on the M8.

If you want a 5.5" 2k/QHD screen flagship, then HTC is not for you mate. You better go with the crappy G3/G4 or the Note series.
[One (M9) General] Tachi91:
As long as HTC keeps to their great designs and release the next flagship with a display no more than the current M8 size they can count on me buying one. Having anything more than 1080p on a smartphone is complete eye candy/overkill and a waste of money and battery life.

Even 720p looked fine on the oneX as long as they use a clean UI I'm alright with it because If I want to watch a movie and be picky about quality and what i can see thats why I bought a TV.

Anything else I'm fine with.
[One (M9) General] PunishedSnake:
Band 12 I hope I'm sold
[One (M9) General] danger12345:
HTC's Big 3 Devices for 2015 Leaked by [MENTION=1336289]upl[/MENTION]eaks

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/12/htcs-big-3-devices-2015-leaked-upleaks.html
[One (M9) General] jkcarp94:
Very poor? That's like saying a sports car that does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds sucks because there's another one that does it in 3.2. You know what? They're both going to kick butt on any real world test.
[One (M9) General] th3:
Oh no, not cars. Please.

Let's see what the later review tests show.

And if it lags the S6 as badly as these synthetics... Then it is a poor M8 replacement.

Cam, was looking forward to a UP 8mp cam. Unless they have a similar technology in this 20mp

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[One (M9) General] epsix:
If you're just a regular users who doesn't care a development. Like flashing AOSP roms then Galaxy S6. I still have my S4, after Samsung introduce Knox and lock bootloader not to mention Exynos chip it's a closed source good luck getting Cyanogenmod on it.
[One (M9) General] KinzerX:
Worry about the overheat issue。。
[One (M9) General] th3:
No such mass production issue will exist.

The guys showing you that are running back-to-back high load benches, repeatedly.

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[One (M9) General] electro`:
I wish the M9 supported 1700/2100 band :(

No upgrade for me Dx
[One (M9) General] Security555:
Somebody knows, what exactly HTC going to use, Gorilla glass 3 or 4, if one see the specs on the mainstream source G 4, but some one from phone arena or something like this, spoke at the MWC about Gorilla 3 ?
[One (M9) General] rizevnarastek:
It's got gorilla glass 4 and sapphire on the camera.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[One (M9) General] jonnywright:
Are we expecting USB type C on the M9?
[One (M9) General] Rage1ofakind:
No
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
Original date of shipment (March 16) of HTC One M9 in Taiwan home market has been delayed to end of the month, possibly March 20. One guy said it was due to some "booting" problem. More details in the source link attached.

http://m.focustaiwan.tw/news/ast/201503160005.aspx
[One (M9) General] grrrr_unt:
Photo evidence from one of the Taiwan pre-orderers attached. However, turns out the phone was still indeed launched in Taiwanese stores, but not being sold yet.

Some photos of taiwan store launch can found here - http://m.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=566&t=4307446&p=1
[One (M9) General] xda23:
Is the battery removable in the m9?and it except are expandable micro SD card? Thanks ;)
[One (M9) General] myself11:
Battery isn't removable, SD card can go up to 128GB.
[One (M9) General] spikeydoo2006:
The SD slot actually supports the newer 200GB Micro SD too.