yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[General Topics] ibeqa:
???

This thread is two years old and it was created because of Microsoft sent its lawers against XDA to remove all ROM repository from the site. I have sign't the petition those days but now after two years, I think is obsolete. Anyway I'm just surprised that this thread is still alive.

Cheers
[General Topics] materijalmen:
its not the signing, mora the guesture....
[General Topics] miniterror:
14077 Signatures Total

is it posible two sign two times ive got two emails:p
[General Topics] quicksite:
Thanks for your post. And that was the purpose of my post just a few above:

Can someone, a Moderator, an Admin, provide a link or status statement re what the current disposition is regarding Microsoft and the ROMs released on XDA? I have been site member for 2 years, and I read a lot, but not in all sections - it's impossible to stay abreast of all facets of this site.

But I have read mini-discussions within various ROM-release threads where someone periodically asks "is this legal?" -- and then there is usually a reply related to "If you own a device that ships with WM, then you have paid for the software, and these are merely upgrades... and all apps on this site are open source, freeware, and fee-based software is never ever cooked inot roms -- that is forbidden here.

I'm just trying to understand, as the upcoming "App Store" Wars are getting ready to begin, across various OS platforms, is the legal standing of the WM ROMS posted to XDA clear & definitive, or is it more or less a case of "Microsoft seems to understand that the work XDA does only enhances people's usage of their products, at a time when iPhone and other platforms have way way better UI and finger-navigation usability"... in effect, XDA's advances have helped keep WM in the game while they have set out to catch up, post the introduction and wild success of the iphone ?
[General Topics] xmoo:
14097 Peace!
[General Topics] seohadczy:
I signed :D
[General Topics] CutePinkSox:
Singned and commented

We should also link from social networking sites - could double the sig count.
[General Topics] mma123:
Signed the petition.
[General Topics] ilMessia:
Petition signed ;)
[General Topics] EAREFRESH:
14211 Signatures Total ;)

Pd: new here. LOL
[General Topics] LivArt:
signed...

MS attacked my favourite ROM :mad:
[General Topics] forelli:
Create a proper Omnia Thread instead of this stupid "Off-Topic" and you'll get more signatures that you can imagine, trust me.

Sincerly yours

Forelli
[General Topics] lufc:
Just signed !!!!!
[General Topics] jlp_svk:
Signed!!!

Can I find the Microsoft letter to XDA somewhere???
[General Topics] Capt Fiero:
The thread I started is here.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3459913#post3459913

Well here is the one I recieved personally yesterady.

Case #: 206019

Date: 12 March 2009

1&1 Internet, Inc. recently received notice under Section 512 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) alleging that the above website infringes upon copyrighted materials (see attached). We are asking that you remove the content as stated in the attached notice. Should you fail to act upon this notice within 24 hours we will be forced to suspend your account.

Under the DMCA, you are entitled to provide "counter-notice" to 1&1's DMCA agent claiming that the material does not infringe copyrights. If the copyright owner does not bring a lawsuit in district court within 10 days, 1&1 may then reactivate your account. Notwithstanding any counter-notice, 1&1 reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to keep your site suspended in the event there is a continuing threat of litigation arising from your website

Dear Sir or Madam,

Microsoft has received information that the domain listed above, which appears to be on servers under your control, is offering unlicensed copies of, or is engaged in other unauthorized activities relating to copyrighted works published by Microsoft.

1. Identification of copyrighted works:

Copyrighted work(s):

Windows Mobile 6.5

Copyright owner:

Microsoft Corporation

2. Copyright infringing material or activity found at the following

location(s):

http://captfiero.com/roms/XXXXXXXXXFileNameRemovedXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The above copyright work(s) is being made available for copying, through downloading, at the above location without authorization of the copyright owner.

3. Statement of authority:

The information in this notice is accurate, and I hereby certify under penalty of perjury that I am authorized to act on behalf of Microsoft, the owner of the copyright(s) in the work(s) identified above. I have a good faith belief that none of the materials or activities listed above have been authorized by Microsoft, its agents, or the law.

We hereby give notice of these activities to you and request that you take expeditious action to remove or disable access to the material described above, and thereby prevent the illegal reproduction and distribution of this copyright work(s) via your company's network.

We appreciate your cooperation in this matter. Please advise us regarding what actions you take.

Yours sincerely,

James Young

Internet Investigator

on behalf of Microsoft Corporation

One Microsoft Way

Redmond, WA 98052

United States of America

E-mail: Internet1@microsoft-antipiracy.com

As I have mentioned in PM, even if there was Zero Chance for them to win, however they decided to file charges and I had to go to court, it would finacially kill me to go to court over it. I had no choice but to pull my roms catalog from my server. I had 4.5gig of roms from various cookers.
[General Topics] F2504x4:
Signed.....:) lets hope it gets there attention.
[General Topics] lotw:
I just signed it to, almost at 15k now. If M$ doesn't learn, which I am sure they don't then maybe we should stop purchasing WinMO devices. That will show them we really mean business. I am now looking at the iPhone more now that M$ is acting that way. Not like we don't own a copy of WinMO, comes with the phone or device. Now I see why HTC is doing only Google phone for T-Mobile, maybe they will even stop doing WinMo
[General Topics] tinmanuk:
signed - no more cooked roms will mean a move to I-Phone for me and bye bye to Windows Mobile :rolleyes:
[General Topics] F2504x4:
EVERYONE need to read this thread in the link below, please post this other thread related to this, BTW it discuss that this is a HOAX

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=492330
[General Topics] DroidDotBot:
roms - are they a 'workaround' to 'keep running' an 'existing device'

after the first assult [target'd [(+)] here 1st?again?] - . . .

roms - are they a 'workaround' to 'keep running' an 'existing device' -

interpretated

as 'fixe's' for a, 'disposable' device

YES, I have issues with this.

1. M$ sold an O.S -

2. are M$ charging 'silly money' , for the updates #===#===# 50%/50% #===#===#

OR

3. are the 'providers' JUST shifting "desposable handheld devices" because the "services are growing"/"handsets to uneconomical to fix",

Thus being / are "reluctant/unable" to provide "Full/Enept aftercare ? ? ? "

{[so youre happy with your device, then you discover "newer skins", and then "CABs 'n Apps", then WHAT - U/G the O.S. to get the latest Apps/Skins? - ? ?

my new elf, has a "windows update" in the progs/settings - when "did this happen/when does this work?" , ! ! ('update center' gets some hits - 'active-sync' only????- ?_d.b_?)

Maybe M$ are pressured into this, as statistics show drops in sales, (INSERT BS HERE)/ it's "just that the sales are down due to" piracy, and "our premium rate support lines are 20Odd% down."

out-weighing the cost-effectivness / advancement, and need to re-coop by asking whats new on the horizon.:)

mods have to be COOKED, Now there's "A" bad ingrediant [not bad, just going sour.]

And this is now the issue.! - (supported by?) - (on a postcard too XDA-Developers . . .dot something )

(I may have to eat my words/desposable handheld device) - or insert here ->{O}

Are Android taking a stance, in which direction? (:)linux:))

14261 petitions now

Due too the current economic climate, "the light at the end of the tunnel", is currently [ON][

PASSAVE

][OFF]
[General Topics] lufc:
SIGNED !!!!
[General Topics] zeheres:
What's this petition about? I don't get it.

Cheers
[General Topics] ibeqa:
Try reading the first post and the link provided.
[General Topics] zeheres:
I've probably not done that already. I immediately skipped all pages to ask a dumb question. :/
[General Topics] quicksite:
But it's not a dumb question at all, to be honest. This thread is TWO YEARS OLD, and despite my asking a while back what is the status of this issue -- what is the current understanding with Microsoft -- has there been any threatened legal action -- do they now see this site as helping retain their viability in a post-iPhone world of much higher expectations? -- the only reply I got on this thread was this one:

And ibeqa, now you're telling this guy to go read the first post? :) I don't get it... That's okay, actually. It seems to me that this thread is obsolete -- and if it is not, then someone here at XDA ought to make it RELEVANT AGAIN, with a real status update.

IF the issue is still crucial, then this method of drip, drip, drip one new signature every 5 days or so is very ill-advised as a strategy. So, does anyone here at XDA know definitively? Or are we just getting in line to something that has no finite status? ;)
[General Topics] quicksite:
Posts/ threads that contradict some of the bogus TAKEDOWN notices

cited in this thread...

and
[General Topics] quicksite:
Posted 3/13/09 (March 13, 09) in Raphael forums:
[General Topics] quicksite:
can someone please lock this meaningless and deceiving thread?

The more I read on other threads and forums here at XDA, the more it is clear this is an utterly obsolete and useless thread. It is akin to urgent emails to call or write or email your Senators (in USA) to tell them you do not want them voting for Bush's war. These are litttle "feel good" attempts to try to convince oneself that the effort, as carried out, is useful. In truth, the only way petitions are ever useful is when they are hand carried to corporate offices with network TV reporters there to cover the story. Otherwise, they are all silly exercises in false-sense-of-importance. 10,000 signatures is nothing to a corporate giant. And gestures like these are almost embarrrassing for they scream out "I know nothing about how the corporate world works, but I am a human being and I will just not take this any longer".

==============

-- and --

This posting at another forum has been proven to be another in a long series of hoaxes claiming "Microsoft takedown notices".

--

Please lock this silly embarrassing thread.

.
[General Topics] NemanjaLO:
Keep going!

Signed, 14302...

Continue great work.
[General Topics] buffalosolja42:
Sign sealed delivered

They should be happy that someone is taking up where they feel behind in. Selling windows mobile devices I ran into alot of complaints with customers number 1 it wasn't client friendly for people without any windows mobile experience would bring device back because of crashing, not knowing how to do common things. The main reason is that the customer has a fear of rejection because of carriers 30 day limitation on device. And the other reason is because reps I know for sure at ATT are pushed to sell Iphone's to keep the exclusiveness to ATT. Where the reps are being trained alot more on Iphone than Windows mobile.
[General Topics] F2504x4:
No , it is threads like this that help put the facts out there and kill the hoaxes that caused these types of threads in the first place...:rolleyes:

The more facts that come out due to threads like this the better..

Information is a powerful tool and that a fact Jack!!!
[General Topics] XeNoMoRpH1030:
Agreed. So, let's get those ROM images back up?
[General Topics] Sn0zZ:
SIGNED

if they manage to do this it will drive folks underground with rom's etc. tbh if xda goes so will i, i`ll sell my wm device and move to a direct competitor of ms out of principal.
[General Topics] midnightsights:
If they start doing better roms then, maybe just maybe there is nothing for xda to do anymore, bad roms is one of the reasons that xda is alive i mean poor like this... not so good like that... makes the other guys get the roms cooking. and then what is wrong with this? you buy a car then you tweak it for the better then more publicity for the company who made it. besides the rising of knowledge will promote awareness making other people switch to windows mobile the more. imagine you cannot get other phone models a complete make over and then customize according to your needs so if we could do that to windows mobile then I will switch to it. reason enough to make them back off, in the end the will win the sales war.
[General Topics] mutantblack:
signed it.
[General Topics] perfeng702:
signed. good work.
[General Topics] MacGP:
Also signed but gotta admit that I hadn't checked out this section since I joined xda, therefore I never knew about this petition. My guess is that loads of other new members (even the older ones who stay in their phone's section) might have completely overlooked this...

Keep up the great work guys!!! ;)
[General Topics] joram:
signed

signed it :)
[General Topics] DhaMajoR:
What does this do exactly?
[General Topics] djiceman-diamond-user:
signed.

14000+ now....
[General Topics] tmelon:
Just Signed
[General Topics] JASTECH:
Well, with M$ doing this I will go ahead and port Android to everything and Linux on all rigs.

Thanks, JASTECH
[General Topics] lutent:
Microsoft (theres no $ in the word) never "did" this but the notice was rather fraudulent. See http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=492791
[General Topics] Rataplan:
Signed, my wife too
[General Topics] RobtWms:
Thread obsolete or not, I signed it.

Today's count: 14490 Signatures Total
[General Topics] cel15:
14524 Signatures after me and my roommate! :D
[General Topics] The PRO:
ok signed it
[General Topics] shaevy:
signed ....
[General Topics] zeefpt:
i´m in......
[General Topics] bgnire:
Sign too ! :)
[General Topics] st3v3:
ill sign in a second
[General Topics] jdc:
Signed.

Also, I would suggest using your real name, it tends to give something like this a bit more weight in my experience. Your email address can be left private.
[General Topics] newbie2:
Signed -- #1030!!!
[General Topics] Toodeep:
1112:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
[General Topics] rpodos:
Signed, real name.
[General Topics] AlanJC:
Please Microsoft, let us illegally violate your EULA, pirate your mobile OS platforms, and distribute them, and in some instances, modify and distribute a new OS for an older device so they don't have to upgrade their device.

This is basically what you are asking them to do.

It won't happen, sorry.

We carried on for a long time because the scene was never that big, but I think the publicity of the Crossbow ROMs brought too much attention, and too many n00bs ran around with arms flailing shouting out to the world.
[General Topics] Tadango:
this is just microsoft being the bully... They want to control everything and everyone.

I know that everyone is saving all the roms but the more dumps the better. Put them online in every p2p program and post in every binary newsgroup! We will get them back for this!

i'll sign where you want......
[General Topics] mccune:
Signed it! And also send it to every PPC user in my address book ;)
[General Topics] Fabio Gamer:
Signed!

2.186
[General Topics] yca:
Signed!

Signed!

Signed!

Signed!
[General Topics] bigyellowdog:
Wise words. Really how big a deal is this? If anything it means this site will be better protected from being closed down. Development and discussion won't stop and doesn’t even need to slow down. This will just change the way the roms are distributed.

I remain convinced this was initiated by the carriers rather than MS. The carriers are being made to look like amateurs with their rom updates by the amount and quality of the roms here.

Look at it from the carriers point of view (don’t flame me I’m just trying to understand their thinking here). They will have an issue with the potential loss of data revenue caused by cooked/modified roms (driving data revenue is a BIG issue for carriers). Carrier customised roms are often designed to try and maximise data usage with shortcuts to online carrier services. Cooked roms mostly remove these. There is also the cost to the carriers for the support calls and repairs to bricked phones by noobs (and I’m sure there has been a pretty big surge of these since the WM6 roms appeared).
[General Topics] saudi-brazil:
Microsofts own ROM kitchen

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/default.mspx

Free trail!!!

Development Tools: $995.00 USD

Runtime License Cost: (per runtime shipped):

$3.00 USD for Core SKU*

(The Core SKU is a subset of the Windows Embedded CE Core operating system features.)

$16.00 USD for Professional SKU*

(The Professional SKU is a higher-end license that is ideal for devices that require rich multimedia and graphics.)

* Run-time pricing is based on purchase volume of one unit (except Windows CE Core based on 1000 units). Volume discounts are available. Local taxes, tariffs and other costs may apply. Contact a Windows Embedded Authorized Distributor for details.

A complete list of the components included in Windows Embedded CE Core and Windows Embedded CE Pro is available at the Microsoft Download Center.

Details on each component are available at the MSDN Library.

For complete pricing and licensing information, please contact a Microsoft Windows Embedded Authorized Distributor.
[General Topics] Ingvarr:
You should know that CE Embedded is not Windows Mobile.

CE Embedded is like 4x times simplier, shares with WM mostly a kernel, not too much other - even ROM file systems are different (I beleive it made deliberately), a lot of APIs and apps are missing, etc, etc.

Windows Mobile kits are a lot more expensive, and is not available at all without signing an NDA and only for major device manufacturers on contractual basis. So if you buy it, you cant even talk about it on public newsgroups (i've seen myself a reprimanding posts from MS to people who did this).
[General Topics] basilrsa:
Whose to blame?

I believe the persons that should be taken to task is HTC.

I bought my TyTN in September in the UK as the were not available in South Africa at the time.

Right out of the box I had issues with this device. I contacted HTC Europe and was assured that these issues I had complained about were known to them and would be corrected with the next ROM update.

Well we are well into Feb 2007 with no update in sight. I have an email from HTC Europe from a Mr Dan Mackie that a ROM update would be published on their site at the end of Jan 2007. Wishful thinking, we were duped!

Now the question is: How can Microsoft allow HTC to sell devices using their WM 5 which has "known issues", and why does HTC continue to market their products with this problematic operating system?

Surely we as owners have a right to improvise solutions in the wake of the lack of support from HTC and Microsoft. HTC should not have released these devices until the "known Issues" with their devices were resolved.

MS and HTC take note: you are letting a great marketing tool slip through your hands.
[General Topics] Ingvarr:
HTC now is in favour with MS, because HTC do hardware prototyping for MS and other stuff.

Technically, all WM licensees are equal and share same responsibilities and fees.

But in practice, all requirements (and maybe even fees) are a lot more relaxed for HTC.

Thats why HTC will be the last company to be "penalized for violating the rules of WM logo".
[General Topics] jack_ass:
signed

signed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[General Topics] soul_train:
Signed. Hope this works!

We have 3754!
[General Topics] SHATTAH100:
HOPE

signed hopefully
[General Topics] henk-jan:
Signed, because the short term view of MS want be any good for the HTC. Without this forum I wouldn't have bought a second one. So HTC themselves should react.
[General Topics] djROH:
Signed, cause microsoft spoils everything
[General Topics] :
you guys kidding me?

You think if a million would sign this they would let cook Roms that have updated technological advances then flash them to your old crusty 3 month old equipment? Why that would be just a ok.

These guys are threatened by you and havfe been complaining for a long time.

Hay I spent about a grand on a PDA2K with the Incredibly Arrogant i-Mate in October of 2004. Have nt bought another unit since. I will never buy anything from i-Mate again.

So these guys need some one with some know how and mula to compete with them.

How about a full blown PC running Win Vista in your hand that rivaled all the lap tops that had cell phone capabilities?

This I bet would not be hard to do
[General Topics] Ingvarr:
Your analogy comparison is wrong.

Comparing the actual hardware inside "new" and "old" actual WM devices around, its more like letting Vista install on Pentium4 3 GHz with 2Gb RAM and not letting it install at all at almost same PIV 3GHz with 1Gb RAM and slightly older chipset, and locking the PC case to force you to buy entirely new computer, even if actual hardware is 70% same, and selling Vista only with complete PC claiming that "you wouldnt be able to install it on your own and no separate installation exists".
[General Topics] hardingt0110:
Signed

I hope that we can create another private ftp server
[General Topics] asz344:
Signed, i hope it will work out for us..
[General Topics] HyperMalac:
Signed it!!!!! Hope it will works!!!
[General Topics] Eccentric:
signed it, hope we still can enjoy our beautiful rom...
[General Topics] beka:
i signed it i hope this works, lets all have faith tht it will work
[General Topics] stewcp:
No. 6427 - wow, the goal is in sight! bloody Micro$oft :mad:
[General Topics] zaph42:
Signed, 6910 so far
[General Topics] 330:
6966 signed!

Note to OP : Your site has helped me out so many times... Thank you for sharing your knowledge. To those who post, many thanks as well!:)
[General Topics] JudgeDredd67:
Just signed

6984 Signatures Total
[General Topics] ronfin44:
Signed.

If it wasn't for the 3rd party developer world I wouldn't buy a pda phone. The crap doesn't work right straight outta the box!

-fin
[General Topics] patmannyc:
Done

7024
[General Topics] elklau:
signed !!!!!!!
[General Topics] subparrnd:
signed

as it should be, my first post in here would be this.

I must give a word or two of appreciation to all the folks on here. I've flashed my TyTN at least 8 times without fail. All I did was read EVERYTHING and did what you guys said.

to all the other "n00bs" here, please just read, read, read, read. I, myself have spent countless hours in front of this computer trying to gain knowledge from the folks that have been here a long time. I've been successful as I hope you will also. JUST READ, READ, READ, READ!

"THANK YOU" to all the great COOKS on XDA!

Homer aka the new guy!
[General Topics] floratina:
Signed. Please don't take our sunshine away.
[General Topics] leo-chan:
i've signed =)
[General Topics] chrisjasper:
Signed, now at 7101
[General Topics] BlueAnt1958:
Also signed.

I will never understand the reasoning behind making us remove software that we all legally purchased copies of when we brought our phones. :mad:

MS WM developers for sure would monitor this site and use some of the ideas and solutions that are developed here. :rolleyes:

One wonders how they have reacted to the WM6 releases that have been cooked here. :eek:
[General Topics] gvoima:
Signed!

You guys have made this Pocket PC experience so much more to me!

Thank you all, I hope we will continue to be the "real tester" of it :rolleyes:

I personally think that Microsoft should learn from us and what we have found out from their software.

7164 total signed, keep it up guys! \o/
[General Topics] ymchow:
signed..hope it's gonna help !!!!!