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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
my friend i just closed my thread down... i have paralegals (failed law students in other words) trying to pull lawyer bull**** on me?

Im refraining myself from throwing at them my "shrink" bull****..

anyway, im only gonna be visiting here.. and on my github...
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] :
So sad to hear that. Can't think of anyone who works harder than you. I'll follow your github and this thread, my kernel skills are extremely limited but if you ever need anything just hit me up on hangouts /pm
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] tr72:
Sorry it's off topic but I want to give to [MENTION=369612]Friedrich[/MENTION] my support. I don't know what you plane to do but I understand that you are angry. You give us great toys to make our devices more funny and the result is to give you troubles. I hope to follow your work again but whatever you do I wish you a lot of good things and fun.

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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] EvaRia:
sorry wrong thread

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sorry wrong thread
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
I feel like no matter what i do im wrong my friend.. Maybe its my English.. Maybe im not conveying correctly what i want to say... All i meant was please dont report stuff unless you tried alternatives.. That bothers people.. It bothers me much more to see my hard work being turn into something awful for 1-3 lazy users (WHEN WE ALL KNOW THAT ITS A FINE KERNEL- I WOULD NEVER EVER RELEASE ANYTHING I WASNT SATISFIED WITH!!) .. I had no other option.. I thought everything ended yesterday and then you have the lawyer wannabe ****er (aka: Law school drop out) trying to put his 2 cents..

My answer to him is the following: Its your freaking job and you get paid for it.. I offer you something for free and in fact im stealing from my own time and my family's time...

Anyway, you guys know where the downloads are.. Whenever i have an update it will be there..

my forum is here as well: www.echoerom.com/phpbb

I cant thank you enough my friends [MENTION=532260]tr72[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1097804]sawdoctor[/MENTION] for your incredible support!! It wasnt easy because of you guys (and some other awesome users).. But it wasnt getting any better.. only worse... And it will not change.. People want to have a certain picture about a developer but never ever thought to themselves "Hey what have i done to make him react like that". Did i ever react to any report of bug/ issue you guys reported?? No!! Because you are beyond respectful, nice and polite!! Thats my weakness.. If you are polite you can do anything you want with me.. However, the opposite works as well. If you are an a-hole, il be a bigger one...
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
Any real lawyer knows you never sacrifice your credibility for the sake of winning an argument. I say bull on being anything more than a secretary.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] :
I've already joined echo forum, xda used to be a place for developers to share ideas not somewhere where people can come and get free stuff and then complain. I get fed up reading can a dev do this or make that's please, what's wrong with trying to do something yourself? 12 months ago id never even made a Flashable zip let alone a rom but instead of complaing dn3 wasn't available for my variant I asked the eteam if i could port it. With thier help I managed to do it. With your help I managed to get my first ever qualcom kernel to compile. OK I can't add any mods to it yet but with help I got it to compile. Maybe they should make xda a paid membership or just increase the rc/rd forum to anyone who has contributed?

Anyway I'll follow your work on your forum until xda becomes a better place. I was really enjoying following this thread 3 devs working together and was learning so much
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
:) :)

this is by far the BEST thread on xda and im not really sure if something like this was done ever before!! :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
It was. Donations were unheard of so nobody had special builds for investors. It got like it is because, like anything, people found that exclusivity is profitable. The more you don't teach others, the more necessary you become.

Look at the modified ROM threads, since they are usually where it is most obvious. Almost every build starts off with something about not using the person's work without permission and how they will know if you do. Then it's something about donations making their work possible and providing the time to develop. The rules prevent posting paid apps because your thread shouldn't attempt to sell something, but some modified ROMs sound a lot like an advertisement for a post-paid service. A service that is using someone else's software and tools to make a few changes, but packing it into a new archive that ships with a "pay only if satisfied" sticker. Of all of the modifications here, that one involves the least originality and ownership but also seems to be the one that isn't being held to a standard that involves the phrase "you hold no exclusivity" in the description.

While no private ownership is a fair assessment of GPL, it seems to be missed that firmware isn't licensed for modification. That doesn't mean the provider now owns the rights, but rather they were never legally allowed to provide them. People don't see or understand that, though. All they see is that kernel developers are required to provide source and modified ROM developers are not. It is much easier to understand the complexity or simplicity of the kernel changes with the source available.

The user naturally assumes the modified ROM is harder with how visible the results become, but the modified ROM developers assume the kernel is easier because kernels do not require decompiling. The kernel is viewed the same way as their modified ROM. It is nothing more than the integration of some pre-established working edits that are then packed into a build.

I have a feeling if modified ROMs were held to the same requirements as kernels, kernels would be evaluated in a more accurate manner. I also believe this would trickle down to the users and result in a higher level of respect for what role kernel developers play. Until then, I am content to show people how to build kernels and let them experience it themselves.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
if i said i didnt agree with you i would be lying.. if i said i agree with you 100% people would prob think im a hypocrite (and rightly so probably) because i have the donate button...

Its exactly how you say though.. To my defense i never ever looked at it like this and testament to this is all the help i give to other devs or even some of the guides i tried to make or even sending my modded files to other cooks to put in their roms.. I dont care.. and also i never expect anyone to just use what i develop.. that defeats the purpose of open source.. its not fun if you are stuck on one thing only.. plus without people sharing their knowledge NOTHING gets improved!!

But i have seen what the donations can do.. And also i have seen people selling themes (!!!!!!) on xda for android's sake :eek:

Even though i have benefited from donations and im grateful to the few who ever donated, im all for xda removing this feature. and let development be just for the sake of development.. we all saw what happened to cm when money got involved.. in my mind they are as evil of a corporation now as is "Walmart", "Starbucks" (sorry twisted i know you love your coffee), etc etc. i wanted the plus one.. i didnt buy it for the same reason i wont buy anything from walmart or drink coffee at starbucks... but then again i bought one from samsung so maybe im indeed a hypocrite...
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
We have all seen our fair share of donations. During my time developing for the Thunderbolt, I probably received around $300 in donations. The difference between you and the people I am referring to is how those donations shaped your development. They didn't. I am not against donations. I am only against the developer treating them as a payment and the user treating them as a purchase. Once that happens, it changes the atmosphere and things end up with developers calling their hobby work and users demanding stuff because they paid for it.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
being a person who does both i can probably put it this way... modifying a rom is like me just doing the clinical interviews with my patients, whereas building a kernel from source is like holding family therapy sessions everyday... or its like just putting 5 stitches on a cut vs doing heart surgery..

i dont get how someone can post the "dont use my modified _______ without permission" when they never got that permission from samsung to begin with... honestly twisted, theres nothing a rom cook can publish on github... what? 5 lines of xml or smali editing? most of the time the code is already there in the stock .apk.. its just that samsung decides not to unlock all the features.. (perfect example the torchlight in settings for the note 4, and s4 and note 3- if i told you the xml edit for settings.apk you would just laugh at its simplicity..) if there are rom cooks who consider kernel developing easier is because even the simple mods they have in their roms are not theirs. they are prob taken by someone else.. the only cooks who imo are doing something hard are the ones who have made their own "rom control" app (but dont use it to sell themes...)
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] :
Tbh you don't even need linux anymore to cook a rom. There's a windows bases kitchen on xda now, you just download extract and then that's it. I'm not a chef or a kernel developer just someone who wants to learn to do things for himself. But I've ported a rom , cooked a rom and built a kernel. I can tell you now exactly which one was far and away the hardest
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
I figured you would appreciate that since you do both and it hasn't clouded your view of either. I have done my fair share of.. well... everything, but I never like to use myself as an example. I don't believe anyone makes a good point that way because it is human nature to view yourself in the best light. I don't think of modifying ROMs as being unskilled work. It is more the user perception that is being corrupted by those that feel their work needs to be compared across the entire spectrum. That is like trying to compare a middle-aged man and teen girl's spending habits saying they are almost identical, except for the hairstyle.

ROMs - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=633246

APKs - https://github.com/LoungeKatt/android-apktool

Unity - https://github.com/AbandonedCart/disunity

There are tools for everything these days. The original version of my "Noblesse Oblige" was actually sirious! decompiled back to Java and redesigned because they claimed it was open source but then made the source private so nobody could access it without paying. I originally intended to help them improve, but when I told them I had some ideas, they told me I should e-mail them the code and let them decide what to do with it. I am kinda glad they did that, though, because that is how I learned to do voice recognition and deal with online APIs.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
lol :D they are not?? :eek:

what if there's viagra involved ;) im stopping my bs now... when i start bs'ing it means my mood has lifted..

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i wanna make my own app but im afraid my brain cannot take any more learning...

Its my next big goal but to begin that means dropping some of the others...

I have to admit, since messing with kernels im losing interest in the rom making process.. i dont underestimate it.. its prob bc kernels are newer for me and harder i find it so much more challenging.. the satisfaction of accomplishing something in a kernel (even something simple and meaningless for users as the last_kmsg for example) doesnt compare.. its a nice rush ;)

But i also have loyalty issues.. i still develop for the s4 bc i feel i owe to those users over there.. even if my s4 is literally in its box, in a drawer and only comes to life for an average of half hour every 2 weeks...
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
Making apps / games is fun and you get that same thrill of being able to start it up and say "wow, I made this..."

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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] tr72:
For once I don't completely agree. I like donate button. I'm just a user without any knowledge. XDA and people like you is a luck for me. Without doing anything I can have a better, funnier and more efficient device.

So donate is a way for me to thanks without being an obligation, it's like paying a beer for a friend. I want to keep it.

The problem is to prevent xda to become a business and it's not because user make a donation that a Dev must do something for him. Donate is a great thing which is sometimes badly use. Even the exemple you take (donate theme) is not shocking for me. I know this rom (I used it), he gave us a great rom with free themes and ask donate for some complex one. It's for me like buying a good app which is not a problem, good work deserves money. Maybe he shouldn't have done it on XDA but more on playstore.

That my opinion and I understand people think another way, but thanks to you and all other Devs who allow a user like me to have great toy to play with my devices. And each time it's a pleasure to make a small donate to you.

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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
You are very rare my friend and i really appreciate that!! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
I admit I have paid themes, but they are for TSF Shell and on the play store. They are also $2 for themes that are typically $5

I would make them free, but theming TSF requires TSF ($16), the theme guide (doesn't exist, but I wrote one), and supporting all the users that think themes are broken because they don't enable themselves. I charge just enough to cover expenses.

Random story:

I made an app I kept updated for three years. The original price was $3 and that covered all 30+ versions released. I completely rewrote it and released a new one for $4 the 4th year. People emailed me saying it was unfair and evil that they had to pay again for the new one. They may have spent $7 from their hard-earned paycheck, but the sales I get are my entire paycheck. Many devs forget you go into this knowing you may never break even, but that was a choice. You can't demand to be paid after releasing something for free. If you are looking for profit, this isn't the right hobby. The users should know this when they donate or buy a paid app, too. That developer isn't using the money to go out and party, just buy dinner. I don't think donations are bad. I think the misunderstanding is what they cover and their purpose.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] tr72:
It's true that when you need material to work (or like ktoonsez which fried his computer) donate are great but even if it's for party or what you want... it's great also. You give us time, effort, à knowledge that a lot of us don't have (you work à lot to have it) so it deserves something.

For you're random stories : you never said free update for life, a lot of good software (more on computer) ask to pay each years.

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Thank you, don't feel to be rare, just adult maybe. I work also and when I work I earn money (I would like more lol). I have the luck to work in one of my hobby so sometimes I give more, sometimes I do it for free but most of time it's for money and it's the way it works. Works and time deserves money.

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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] ktoonsez:
Wow. What happened here :eek::sly::o:what: Just crazyness.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
This is the "Safe Zone" for what happened elsewhere. We're just discussing a lot of random parts of being a dev. How's everything out West?
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] ktoonsez:
Going ok, working from 9am wednesday to 2am thursday, nice 17 hour day :eek: :rolleyes:. Hopefully getting out of here tomorrow morn after tonights system test. Sorry I never got to look at the last_kmsg yesterday guys, just got too long of day debugging PLC code.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
No big deal. I've been buried in class work and haven't really done anything. It'll still be here when we get back, haha.
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] Droideatsappleforlunch:
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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] Er. Aditya:
the day i have started using your rom and kernel i have falen in love with my device more and more each day..... i never understood how you guys being such great devs are so so good guiders and helping hands as well... and thats not easy seeing most of the xda now days .... i have seen people here never even bothereing to rply atleast a single post or pm but you guys are exception.... and people who think that way about donations are f****** s*** ...afaik you guys dont need to bother about that ....your talent speaks for yourself and users with blind brains and malfunctioning eyes need to get their basics right .... dude take your time and get back here as soon as possible its really bad seeing the kernel thread go down...

aah !! bad day and sorry if i am posting this now i just got uv'd
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
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[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] friedrich420:
mr. [MENTION=593514]twistedumbrella[/MENTION] i have some motivation (yeah right) for you wrt faux sound..

Ok my man this is the deal.. i have the new Pink Floyd album (and no matter what all the haters say its PInk Floyd!!)..

Im in the process of cooking a rom for the n4... this is my problem.. im playing this new album via my pc but at the same time im cooking.. the pc is not that powerful i5 2.5 ghz and 8gb ram.. so while im cooking (esp when deodexing or decompiling) things get slow and music skips... its bc my pc it cant take it.. now i have the album on my n4 too.. however, i dont like the sound intensity (PF Needs to be heard loud my man).. So... im thinking what if i had faux sound enabled and listen to the pink floyd "Endless River" via my phone?? Wouldn't i be a happy cook ann then then whole community would benefit?

Just think about all that man.. :p
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] 4aces:
Lmao. Best motivation ever. If I had only a tiny bit of [MENTION=593514]twistedumbrella[/MENTION]'s skills I would try to make faux sound work for the love of music :)
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
I have to run a few errands but then I'll take another look and see if I get anywhere.

Darn hippie blackmail
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] 4aces:
That's the best news for today so far

Lmao
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
Figure if it has to be fixed anyway might as well work with 3.6 so I restored all those changes plus a few that highlight how minimal they really were when things aren't moved

I've got it narrowed down to the actual sound hack source but not what in it is the issue. A crash would make sense but a reboot is fairly drastic.

I think everything else is pretty solid, though. We may need to find new stuff to break
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
Thought it was relevant to the earlier discussion to cite a post I just saw in the Nexus 5 section about lollipop (5.0).

As you may know, the nexus 5 is one of the devices that received preview versions, so it was also one of the first to receive the official release.

One of the devs over there posted the installable in a thread for the preview build with a donate link in the post. Nothing else. A link to the build and "if you wish to donate..."

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56948124

The entire build is cleaning up the OTA and making it a zip.

A whole thread for the build, root, and recovery was posted to the shield tablet days before this. That thread does not contain a donation link.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56857918
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] ktoonsez:
I'M BACK BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 hours later, I got the PC all put back together :D :good: :highfive: :victory: :cool:
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
That's good news. The Note 4 has hit critical mass. It's just past the point where everyone thinks things should be stable but just before the next big exciting change that resets everything (ie. lollipop).
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
[MENTION=4325945]ktoonsez[/MENTION] the changes for NK4 are included in https://github.com/StarKissed/stark...mmit/8d4f94e3f17d356fbe24a0fc767b496ea8cd7b34 to save some time. The init and ffu binaries and the sepolicy date. Big bad NK4...
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] ktoonsez:
Excellent :D :good: :highfive:
[Galaxy Note 4 Unified Development] twistedumbrella:
Here's an interesting tidbit to make you feel like you are really doing all this work for a good reason:

So the Note 4 kernel is 3.10.0 and all of the data policy stuff was switched to new_policy, which is assumed a 3.10 change.

The Shield tablet kernel is 3.10.32 and uses data instead of policy just like the Note 3. In other words, it was a Note 4 change.

Speaking of significant changes:

If you haven't already added it, https://github.com/StarKissed/stark...mmit/f17518bd44e54c9a9e0b7dbc41045d25cdf23636 is night and day for wifi.

It seems to have made a significant improvement on loading speeds. It could be a placebo, though. I recommend at least giving it a try. It won't hurt anything if there isn't any improvement.
[Xperia Z General] arismelachrinos:
so for those who cant really install android lollipop or they cant get root access or gapps working, here is a video i just made to make things easier ...here is the link for the tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88nnlPH_-Ks&feature=youtu.be
[Xperia Z General] Rajeev:
Nice mate. It will help lot of peoples. Post this link to that Original Lolipop development thread also. So users can easily access the tutorial video.. Nice work. Appreciate it.. Keep up the good work...
[Xperia Z General] Zewarxx:
Thanks mate, could you make another and try using different applications?
[Xperia Z General] mir2ruso:
Good news thanks
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caseylitz:
I flashed a AOSP lolipop rom. During this i screwed something up. I no longer have my google apps, which I kind of expected, but i cant download anything. I tried downloading files, but the phone cannot open them. my computer cannot recognise the phone so i cannot sideload apps, and I cant get the drivers on pc to work. What do I do? I have a lolipop brick.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beekay201:
You don't have a brick.

Want to see what a brick looks like? Mash your device with a hammer. That's a brick.

In your case. It's just a matter of following any one of the guides available/stickied here.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ForumNinja:
Hey all:)

Although the Droid Turbo does not allow the huge array of options by way of style compared to the Moto X (2014) it does have 2 options, a Kevlar and a ballistic Nylon design. Is it style over practicality? The Kevlar option gives a great premium look, yet the ballistic nylon offers a more rugged design, possibly offering a higher level of protection. Is that Verizon logo on the nylon version a big deal for anybody? So what version do you plan on getting and why?

Take a look at this you tube vid for more...

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Credit: PhoneDog

Looking forward to the communities thoughts:good: