yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
You should be aware that for 4K even 100Mps should be more than enough.

Theoretically it's 12 MB/s which ends up in a 86GB video file for 2 hours.

Gesendet von meinem H8324 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] blop135:
Well in my case it doesn't and it's not because of my home network because it works fine on my computer connected by Gigabit Lan. My NAS is connected directly to my router so is my TV and it still buffers (not on Netflix or Youtube but on Kodi and Plex).
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
No, its not that simple because 4k movies encoding is Variable Bit Rate, then you can easily have slow movie sequences with few details with very low bitrate and action scenes or with lots of details with more than 100Mbps bit rate. To have a smooth stream you need to be able to handle the maximum bitrate of the movie.

If not, buffering can help, but buffering is done in RAM and the TV has a small amount of RAM available. Moreover with such bitrates the quantity of data in the buffer even for a few seconds is huge.

Then the amount of time you can buffer is very small (can be increased in kodi with advancedsettings.xml).

The reasons why they didn't put a gigabit ethernet are:

1. Cost (same reason as using MTK chipset instead of high end CPU and more RAM)

2. Streaming 4k movies from LAN is probably not in the top list of what the average customer would like to do with their tv

3. Competitors have the same limitations

From my experience, wifi AC has slightly higher bitrates, but it is still much lower than what we can expect from a theoretical 866Mbps wifi AC, I think hardware architecture inside is quite cheap too.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Toengel:
Hi,

buffering is done every time... small buffer => stuttering at bandwidth peaks... you will also have the stuttering with GBit Ethernet... maybe Kodi or some other 3rd party apps can increase the buffer... but it's limited to RAM... 2019 TVs will have now 3 GB of RAM...

Toengel@Alex
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] blop135:
Well that's sad, it means we will never be able to watch 4k content on our TVs, I'll try with the USB/ethernet Gigabit adapter to see if it's better. Maybe it will be allright. ;)
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
Strange.

I tested Braveheart 4K HDR with both internal player and Kodi.

No stuttering. File is located on my Synology NAS.

Gesendet von meinem H8324 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] _Negan_:
Do a transfer speed from nas to internal storage. For me is that the problem, mine is 4MB~/sec. For full 4k untouched files is not enough.

From the same nas to my pc my speed is 30MB/sec.

Everything connected in lan.

To test transfer speed i used ES FILE MANAGER.

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:59 PM ----------

Let us know if with the usb adapter it works better thanks
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
I also would like to see the brand/chipset of an USB Gigabit Ethernet adapter, which will work with Philips TVs... :silly:
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
I already tested 3 different models of USB to ethernet gigabit adapter (dell, and two others I don't remind the name), and none works on 55POS9002. It was with nougat, then maybe it will work with oreo but don't expect too much! ;)
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
Yeah, same thing here.

No PHILIPS kernel support.

Same adapter tested on mobile phones with Oreo and Pie - works like a charm.

So... Guess who is to be blamed again... :laugh:
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
Strange, here my results and speed comparison with Ethernet and Wifi AC:

Test conditions:

55POS9002 with latest Oreo firmware 230

Router placed 2meters away from the TV and connected with gigabit ethernet to the network

Synology DS916+ with gigabit ethernet

Same video file of about 256MB

Copying the file from the NAS to the TV internal storage with X-Plore File manager (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lonelycatgames.Xplore&hl=fr)

=> With Ethernet 100Mbps cabling I get a stable 11MBps bitrate (i.e. about 88Mbps)

=> With Wifi AC 866Mbps connection I get a stable 15MBps bitrate (i.e. about 120Mbps)

Then wifi provides a bit more margin when it comes to play high bitrate 4k movies.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
Here are mine:

100Mbit LAN:

[ ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate
[ 5] 0.00-10.01 sec 112 MBytes 94.1 Mbits/sec receiver

AC WiFi:

ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate
[ 5] 0.00-10.03 sec 164 MBytes 137 Mbits/sec receiver

Tested with iperf3 between TVs and NAS, before tweaking a bit the Mikrotik...

But it's hopeless. WiFi in these TV boxes is unstable, 100Mbit Ehternet is because of the MediaTek SoC - cheapest TPVision choice, no USB3.x Gigabit Ethernet adapter, buy S922 Odroid N2 box... :D
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
Nice results with iperf3, looks more accurate than the values given by X-plore. Confirms Wifi is about 40% faster than RJ45 on this TV, even if still very bad compared to what we can expect from wifi AC... I get the double with my smartphone....

On my side, wifi is stable, but with the router 2 meters away it was on purpose..

Concerning the result of memeliv, I wanted to try with Es file explorer but says that I have to install some ****ty app to be able to use smb v2... I think by default ES file explorer only manage SMB V1, it is probably one of the reason why you get such bad bitrate results. On my side SMBv1 is disabled on the NAS, too old and poor security.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
Sorry, again I don't get it. You are complaining about 90 MBit/s straight streaming - except some minor bandwidth peeks this should be more than sufficient for 99% of the current available materials with a few buffering moments instead. The major streaming sites as Netflix or Amazon have 35 MBit/s tops.

For now there is almost no source material how need more than that in average streaming bandwidth.

If you have just 4 MB/s there might be a problem, but as seen above both LAN and WiFi a capable of 90 or above MBits (aka 11 MB/s or above).

This should be enough, at least for now.

I have some quite demanding 4K files (as mentioned Braveheart 4K HDR) which are not stuttering at all with the current firmware (this was definitely very different a few versions before).
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
Well, its just you don't have the same demanding 4k files we are using, I'm not sure you played all the available blu ray movies? Braveheart might be a bad candidate to test bandwidth because its a 3hour movie and I don't think Fox is using triple layer blu-ray discs, then the bitrate is low even if the size is big.

On my side I'm not saying all files have issues, but some and in very specific scenes. I used kodi, increased the buffer, and played the movie with live OSD informations and easily see that during specific scenes the amount of buffer was reducing until it stops. It was with RJ45. Then I switched to Wifi and it was enough to play without stuttering.

It also depends the audio track you are playing, DTS HD MA can take an average 25Mbit/s only for audio.

I know amazon prime and netflix have much lower bitrates but its not the point here.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
We are not discussing the bandwidth/throughput required for streaming from NF/Prime/HULU/HBO GO and etc. For that - the major factor is your external Internet speed.

Also,

these streaming media sites are NOT an exemplary model for content quality, at least by my criteria.

We're discussing LOCAL network content throughput requirements.

So,

check these:

http://jell.yfish.us

Download, place them on a local network location and estimate the performance.

Once again - WiFi AC in Philips TV is UNreliable and NONperformant connection method, even if "snapshot" measurements show higher values at a particular moment.

Nothing beats the Gbit Ethernet. :p
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
According to Wikipedia and its Ultra HD Blu-ray site, the specifications show a maximum data rate:

The specification allows for three disc capacities, each with its own data rate: 50*GB with 82*Mbit/s, 66*GB with 108*Mbit/s, and 100*GB with 128*Mbit/s.*Ultra HD Blu-ray technology was licensed in mid 2015, and players had an expected release date of Christmas 2015.*Ultra HD Blu-ray uses a new revision of*AACS*DRM, AACS*2.

For most part this should be sufficient? Or are there any standards already?

But for what it's worth, keep discussing your issues. Although I am using quite a bunch of 4K media using my nas I don't have such problems...

Gesendet von meinem H8324 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
Put this:

http://jell.yfish.us/media/jellyfish-120-mbps-4k-uhd-h264.mkv

on your NAS and play it.

Then,

put it on an USB drive, play it and do tell. ;)
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] gazdajezda:
Philllips 55POS9002

After upgrade to Oreo i notice this problem in Kodi: after some time (mainly after turning off and back on TV with remote), playing of videos, ip streams begin to stutter - every second. Only help i found is to tottaly turn off TV (unplug electricity cable for few seconds then plug it in), turn on TV and playing again works as it should till TV is on. I need to do that almost every day since i upgrade to Oreo. I'm going mad, because i don't wannt to downgrade back to Nougat, but this is really annoying.

Do anyone of you have that issue too?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] blop135:
So as I suspected, it doesn',t work with my USB 3 / Ethernet Gbit adapter, it says device not recognised. So well I guess we are stucked to play 1080p bluray or certain kinds of 4K movies that can be played but we won't know until we try them.

As it mentionned above, we were not talking about Netflix or Amazon Prime because they use different algorithms to send you the correct debit in fonction of your Internet connection and they use differents codecs I believe and also the transcoding is on their side on their servers.

The problem is I can't play some 4k files on my tv directly from my NAS without even transcoding so that's different here.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] _Negan_:
For the same reason don't work my usb to micro sd card reader. That's a problem.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
Мine is working:

[IMG="OMEGA SD/SDHC/MMC Card Reader"]https://mydistri.be/1251-large_default/omega-usb-2-0-card-reader-stick-for-sdhc-mmc-r-021-56840.jpg[/IMG]
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] semiran:
No i dont. Maybe some add-ons are causing issues. Did you reinstall kodi? Are u using kodi 18?

---------- Post added at 10:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 PM ----------

By the way. Who knows how to get the previous launcher back like on nougat
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] gazdajezda:
Yes. I use Kodi 18.1 and after upgrade i did reinstall all apps from Play store. I also do not have special plugin installed. Only Kodi PVR player and few other apps like Total Commander, NBA app and that's it. I also have disabled few apps, but nothing tragic. I really.dont know.why that slowdowns happen. Every dan need to cold restart TV. Going slightly mad..
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] MareleVlad:
Hi,

You could try and reset to factory settings and then not disable anything.

Also you could read this thread a few pages back. I know Alex@Toengel told here that there is a known WiFi issue for a particular firmware. Maybe this affects you to.

Cheers,

Vlad
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] gazdajezda:
Thanx for answer. If i factory reset it, i will lose my apps and their settings? I would like to backup somehow Kodi data and then i can do reset.

Also, i use wired connection, i think wifi is disabled (OFF). Or that doesnt count?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] MareleVlad:
If you do a factory reset you will lose your apps and their settings. If you are connected via ethernet, then you shouldn't be affected by the bug.

You could try and use Indigo addon inside Kodi and do a full backup. With that backup zip file you could restore all Kodi addons and settings to another instance of Kodi. The restore is also done with Indigo. To be safe, you could install Kodi on another device, like a PC, and test the backup file on the PC by restoring it via Indigo addon, before you "format" the TV to it's factory settings. Just to be safe and sure that the backup file works.

Hope this info helps.

Kind regards,

Vlad
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] gazdajezda:
Thank you. Will try that and post results here. Not today (already in bed) but in coming days for sure.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] _Negan_:
I don't know why mine don't work... 3 type no one works

Latest i bought is this oneView attachment 4728230
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] _Negan_:
Another picView attachment 4728236
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
Maybe because it is a more advanced one, as it is able to read two sd cards simultaneously, could be a small USB HUB inside which is not supported...
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] _Negan_:
I've 2 others of these adapters, one produced by Kingston that is very simple but can't be read too. I don't know why I'm thinking about to reset the tv and reinstall everything to see if it works. But I've no confidence...

Which USB port is better to use?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zakk87:
This is the worst update i've ever download. 43PUS7303. Now after update to Oreo I can't volume up or down my speakers connected to headphone jack. What is this? In my opinion this is the standard behavior of every audio device – „turn off the speakers when something is in the jack“. Philips doin it wrong. I’m so sad. Wish to sell this piece of… Sorry, but this is unacceptable.

Few days ago I downgrade to nougat and I can control the speakers. What a piece of....
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
This was a request to control both, as I recall. Not a bug, but a feature...

Gesendet von meinem H8324 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zakk87:
In what of case you want to control both? This tv has so crappy sound, who want to hear that?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
I've read in various forums about users who requested this feature. If you open a support ticket you might get such functionalities. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that there is no demand.

And "crappy" is a your perspective not everyone's.

Gesendet von meinem H8324 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Mark0x:
I did not ask for this, but for my usage I prefer having both independant.

I'm using most of the time a home cinema sound system connected with HDMI ARC, and 5% of the time a bluetooth transmitter to my headphones. This bluetooth transmitter beeing connected to the headphone jack permanently I'm happy that I don't have to unplug it every time I want to use the main sound system.

Then depending on each use case it could be nice or bad. I guess to be perfect it has to be adjustable..
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] joeriv:
The Lan is slower then the wifi ??

I also noticed daydream is not a thing on philips android tv.. Is there any way to still get it 'activated' ?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] Ankfejs (Duckface21):
I have tried on the old Nougat firmware by hidden settings menu to activate daydream and i can say its impossible they have modified daydream to auto shut off tv if its not in use some time, thy have crippled it to and can not change it :(

on Oreo i cant even get bring up setting menu anymore its gone!! have tried in ADB and whit apps that bring up the menu there is no menu for it sadly..

If anyone succeeded to bring up the menu or any command in ADB it wold be good to know!!!
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] webwude:
I don't get your point - as there is a limitation of 100 Mbps of the Ethernet adapter for sure there will be stuttering. But I am not familiar with any usual material which uses 120 mbps straight? So what do you mean?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] _Negan_:
I think is deactivated because it come first the Philips logo screensaver

---------- Post added at 07:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 PM ----------

Transferring files from my laptop, i get 8,5MB/sec despite to the 12 that could be achieved with 100mbit lan... What's your transfer speed?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] bothered:
Am I right in thinking people are trying to go back to Nougat rather than Oreo? Philips sure know how to make a good product bad
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] gazdajezda:
I dont know for others, but i will downgrade if that slowdowns wont be fixed. Yesterday i install indigo plugin and made a backu of Kodi, then also upgrade all apps and restart TV. Everything was worked great, then i turn off TV with remote. Today when i turned it on and watch TV (via iptv, PVR) or local movies, cartoons (kids) in Kodi, it begin to stutter again. Now this is war :) I will try to found a cause of it, trying different setups and so. If i will fail, downgrade to Nougat will follow for sure. Oreo is faster, launcher is great, but everday restarting is pita. Now i use software rebbot command, little bit better than pulling off/on the plug.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] deneme13:
I have a 49PUS6561/12 and TV became quite sluggish and also Netflix does not work anymore after Oreo update. It throws a connection error (Netflix Error NW-2-5) although TV is connected to the internet and the app itself succeeds to connect Netflix servers in control menu.

I reset and reconfigured everything but the problem still persists. No netflix and quite slow menu and remote commands.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zeyentology:
I finally dared to install the Oreo update to my 7303. Now, apart from the afore mentioned headphone volume "issue"( I have a pretty fancy speaker/subwoofer that doesn't support ARC or CEC, so I have to use the headphone jack to connect), I am unable to write mount my USB drive connected to the USB 3 port. Seriously... Apart from a fancy pantsy rearranged homescreen, this update just comes with a lot of compromises. Any way to work around this? Is it possible to root this device and use stick mount or similar? How can I unlock the bootloader? This way I would also be able to pair my sixaxis controller with the drivers that require root. Apart from that: Any way to control headphone volume via remote in any way? With or without root....

Is a downgrade to 7 possible?

Sorry for that many questions... I'm quite disappointed...
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zakk87:
Yes, I downgraded, only data partition will be erased.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zeyentology:
So I just download the last Nougat and install it from the USB stick?

Gesendet von meinem MI 8 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zakk87:
No, you must find previously firmware-upgrade loader for your tv from toengel archiv.

This is the link https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjUqro7f8a9QkNFbOSIto-sJBnNzxQ

Put on fat32 usb stick, then unplug tv from external power. Put stick on black usb 2.0, plug in tv to power. Wait for erase and download firmware to tv.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zeyentology:
Found everything already. Thanks for the update. Will try tomorrow morning.

Gesendet von meinem MI 8 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] ChimeyJimmey:
Then,

would you, please, be so kind and tell us how did you unlock the bootloader, rooted the firmware and compiled any driver s for it?

Thank you in advance for your time. :o
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] deneme13:
I can not connect to Netflix with Android 8 updated 49PUK6561 TV. I checked the CSM menu and Netflix key does not show up there. I actually do not know if CSM show Netflix ESN key as I checked it after Netflix app started to have problem.

I downgraded to Anroid 7.1.2 via USB upgrade loader and then updated another 7.1.2 version via TV and finally to version 8 via TV but none of them made any difference.

CSM screen has netflix ESN key in all three versions I tried. Netflix app itself is up-to-date from Philips TV Google Play Store and I also side-loaded most current version of Netflix apk.

Default Netflix app gives "Error nw-2-5", side-loaded Netflix app brings login screen but does not go through after I enter credentials and spins at that screen.

Any idea is appreciated.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zeyentology:
I meant the downgrade stuff. Unlock and root not possible atm. Sorry. At least nothing found on how to do this.

Gesendet von meinem MI 8 mit Tapatalk
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] MareleVlad:
Please search before posting:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=79052212&postcount=2224
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] zeyentology:
Didn't realize you posted this. Thanks for sharing. Will use the search next time
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] MareleVlad:
You are welcome.

I am glad that you edited your post, because I really wasn't mean with you. I just wanted to help you and also enable you to solve your issues faster in the future without waiting for our feedback.

I want to help everybody, but I already posted the same info 4-5 times already and it is time consuming puting the same info for everyone that is asking the same thing over and over again, without using the search function before posting. Hope you understand.

Good luck my friend.

Kind regards,

Vlad
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] tbv2005:
Hi,

having a 55pus7101/12. I tried first time since last update to Cast my mobile to the TV but it can't find it anymore. As well (here I'm not sure) wasn't there an option to turn on Cast in "Wireless and Networks" (translated from German) settings - can't find this anymore. Restart (with complete power off) doesn't help...

Anybody with same issue / any hint?
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] MareleVlad:
I can only hint. Maybe there is an issue with the cast app after an update. Please search in the PlayStore and uninstall the update for the google chromecast built-in app. Maybe a reinstall will help. As a last resort you can always restore to factory settings.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] gazdajezda:
My problem is fixed without need to downgrade (which is great). Today i have a day off so i can play with those video (and strange, also radio - audio playback). As you already know, on my 55POS9002 after some time, playback of multimedia content become very jerky. Stutters big time. I was suspecting/blaming Android itself, but at the end it turns that the problem was Kodi setting. Today after turning on TV and start to watch our local TV program in Kodi - playback was ****ty. Then i start NBA and watch last game of our Luka Doncic star - it plays perfect. Aha, so it is Kodi. I start it again and begin changing the settings. I found that after turning OFF "Settings / Player / Video / Synchronize playback with screen" it plays content perfectly. So, in case of similar problems, one can try that before downgrading or similar. I was pulling my hair for last month, now it can grow back ;)

So, Oreo is OK, my Kodi settings was to blame.
[Philips, Sony, TCL Android TV] MareleVlad:
Hi Guys,

What do you think about the G20 remote? Do you have any? Does the voice search work on Philips Android TV's?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/G20...-Universal-Remote-control-IR/32966358123.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Keb...d-Motion-Sensing-Mini-Remote/32976378485.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/L8s...Mini-Keyboard-Remote-Control/32962339407.html

Thank you in advance!

Cheers,

Vlad