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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Congratulations, you figured it out. Now go read my response where I said it is not Motorola's flagship, the response I quoted, and the original comment that said it was Verizon's flagship at best.

Try to keep up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
Keep up? Son idk who u think u are but since you are so ahead of the curve what's are the winning lottery numbers SUSAN?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Oops, I apparently woke a troll.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
No u woke my backhand
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] DireWolfAlpha:
You're a clown
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Take a look as his profile, past posts and projects and you'll get an idea. No need to get mad man. You chimed in at his post and he clarified what he said.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
Why do u care?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
If the Moto X is Motorola's "top dawg" they have the wrong dog. The Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo is what the Moto X should have been. LG embarrassed Motorola this model year comparing the 2014 LG G3 to the 2014 Moto X -- just like LG embarrassed Motorola last year when the LG G2 came out about the same time as the pathetic mid-tier 2013 4.7" 720p Moto X. (Everybody ELSE -- Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG, Google was releasing 1080p top tier phones.) Motorola initially priced the 2013 Moto X the same price as the LG G2, which was laughable. Only when they lowered the price down to mid-tier level did it start to sell. The 2044 Moto X is also a great mid-tier device, but not top tier. Not when you have something like the LG G3 with 1440p, OIS rear camera, Qi wireless charging. The 2013 LG G2 even arguable beats the 2014 Moto X. Puts Moto to shame.

Only with the Nexus 6 specs, where Google forced Motorola to up their game did they FINALLY produce a true top tier device. And the Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx is based on the 5.2" 1440p Shamu prototype Google was also testing. Google should have pulled an Apple and released both.

But the Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx is top tier, the Moto X is not. Motorola may be promoting the Moto X more -- maybe because they make more profit from it? But they should be promoting their BEST phone, not an also ran.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Moto X has more sales, more support, and more attention. Whether it is the right one to back or not really isn't relevant. The Turbo could have been the top dawg if it wasn't an exclusive. Even the Moto Maxx is more exclusive than the X. Exclusives limit that flagship to its particular carrier or market and not the rest of the world.

As for the rest of your comments, that is just pure opinionated commentary. LG didn't embarass Motorola at all, I think you missed the point of the original X. If anyone was to be embarrassed it was all the companies (LG included) that had worse performance than a lesser device. It was only a mid-tier device to spec whores who do not understand how things really work. It had hardware that was not present in any other device and it offloaded major battery drainers to two co-processors (also present in 2014 X, Maxx, and Turbo). On top of that, it was an experiment to see if their model of business would work, and guess what? They found out it worked and look how much different the 2014 X is.

Google didn't force Motorola to do anything. They paid them for a product.

Go compare Moto X sales to the Nexus 6. I assure you, the Moto X is notably more.

Back to what I said, specs are not the only defining trait of a flagship device. Look no further than the S5 and Note 4. The S5 is considered the flagship and it has lesser specs to the Note 4.

It amazes me now people cannot even discuss phones from the same company without such huge bias. I get it between companies, but the same company? Craziness.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Because these type of posts don't add any relevant content.........
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Not opinated commentary. I can back it with facts, specs. Motorola was just a mid-tier Android phone maker until Nexus 6 and Droid Turbo Moto Maxx. And Moto Maxx is not "exclusive" when anyone in the USA or around the world can own it. I have two.

Your Samsung example is not compelling, as Samsung purposefully releases two different top tier devices months apart. Of course the Note is going to have better specs, just like the upcoming S6 will have better specs than the Note. Duh.

Motorola has been about a year behind until now. The 2013 Moto X was laughable, an obvious rip off of the 2012 LG Nexus 4/LG Optimus G. Almost identical specs. The 2014 Moto X was a ripoff of the 2013 LG G2, almost identical specs -- and was what the 2013 Moto X should have been. The Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx is what the 2014 Moto X should have been. So, now they are only SIX MONTHS behind everyone else. And I'm not talking about CPUs. I'm talking RAM, display size, resolution, wireless charging, OIS rear cameras, stuff like that. Only the Nexus 6 has OIS rear camera, because GOOGLE FORCED THEM TO PUT IT IN. The LG Nexus 5 has it as well as the LG G2/LG G3, and now so does the Nexu6 -- made by Motorola with Google's specs.

Google did force Motorola to up their game. They owned them at the time. Ha. You forgot that. The Moto X could have been as good as the LG G3... but was not. The Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx puts them back in the game.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
I find it so funny. We are posting on a thread whose original post was hints o. Lollipop. No offense intended cchew. And the post started in Nov. Still as of yet no one has any idea when lollipop will be released. Or even if this latest soak everyone talks about is even lollipop. Just wait. Anyways I dou t there will be any significant changes. I have lollipop cm12 installed on my xt912 RAZR. Doesn't seem all that different really than cm11.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Specs do not equate to facts. A 300hp car can be outrun by a lighter 200hp car. Yet, which ones has better specs?

Moto Maxx *IS* exclusive when it is not offered in the US, or a good part of the world. That is what stops it from being a flagship. Whether you *can* use it anywhere is not relevant. It is about the markets it is offered in and how much the company pushes it, supports it, etc. How many updates has the Maxx had? The Turbo has already had two and has a third incoming. Exclusive is not synonymous with whether it works in other areas. My Samsung comment is a perfect comment to show that a flagship does not need highest specs of all phones from the company. I get the impression that people are not working with the actual definition of flagship here: flag·ship noun \ˈflag-ˌship\ the best, largest, or most important one of a group of things (such as products, stores, etc.).

As for the rest, I am not going to regurgitate what I said, but specs are not the be all, end all of any device. You are intent to look at this from the angle of a spec-whore and nothing I say will change that.

No I didn't. The Motorola of today is Lenovorola. The Motorola you keep shunning with their alleged "mid-tier" "ripoff" was Google.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
Wait but wouldnt the Moto Maxx be the top dog? Im confused now.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
But I said I like the phone because it operates flawlessly... I also gladly use an HTC one over a droid turbo or my current note 4 any day... so my friend... your are sorely mistaken.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Circaflex:
Really? Show me a big box website that has them for US. Didn't you have posts here asking for help getting one from outside of the US? It is an exclusive if you have to import it from some other country to use in the US. If I cant order it from a provider or a legit retail online website in the US, to me that means its exclusive to somewhere outside of the US.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
In specs, sure. In marketing, support, and company backing, no. A flagship receives the most attention from a company. Can you say that about the Maxx?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Mistaken about what? Your like of a phone doesn't make it a flagship.

I like my phone too. I won't call it a flagship product though, unless talking in the context of Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I dont really use my turbo, And i ditched verizon, they have always been pretty good to me but I have to own the x to know.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joesamwise:
I agree with you. Hopefully an update will come down the pipe soon. For being a relatively new phone, it's sure taking awhile to get the updates.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It has already had two updates. That is slow?

I think you meant they are slow for desirable updates.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joesamwise:
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I've only received the second of the two updates since I have had the phone. Overall, I am anxious to receive the lollipop update. I want to see the next product that Android has produced.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Hopefully 5.--whatever will come soon so people stop *****ing and moaning and fighting. These threads are hilarious. I read them just to see how ridiculous people sound fighting about stupid ****. Guess this is what happens when people buy locked down phones and there is no Development section to add any helpful posts to. This phone is mint. If you were so hard up for lollipop you should have bought a Nexus or Moto X and sold this a long time ago. Calm the hell down. Remember what this thread is called. Hints on lollipop release date! Not *****ing about why its not here and who has it already.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] reggie14:
I mean, I've read the rumors too, but they all seem to be based on 1) wild speculation, and 2) "articles" from less-than-legitimate sites. I don't think we've gotten any sort of commitment from Motorola to a February release.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
February is tomorrow (a few hours away) Let's hope they deliver though I'm sure they wouldn't have said February unless they were ready with something to show for it right?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
I predict tomorrow is the Super Bowl. :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] DireWolfAlpha:
>buying a phone based on whether some script kiddie found a way to get root access
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChrisMAXX:
My guess its not lollipop. I'll bet this is just an advanced calling/possible cell standby fix. The droid MAXX 2013 just got a small update only addressing the advanced calling. Lollipop is not happening yet. Relax, stable is better than new flashy potentially buggy software.

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] poncespr:
It is funny how so many people are saying they can't wait for lollipop, because as soon as the update is here, there will be as many, probably more, wishing they had not done the update because:

a)It is not stable

b)Its buggy

c)Process X is killing my battery

d)My favorite app X does not work

and then begging for a way to go back :silly:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Character Zero:
And the SU instructions for 5.0 look liked they required an image flash to inject something in the existing kernel. And then flash a new kernel with the appropriate security settings to allow root. Maybe the first flash does something ti allow the second. In that case you need an unlocked bootloader before having root. Which is fine for unlockable devices, but usually on locked devices root is found first and then an unlock exploit is possible found after. What I take this meaning is that it might be harder to find a root exploit in the system without modifying the kernel (but I am not expert).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rlb81:
Interesting points, thanks for the info. Wonder why things are much more locked down?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Character Zero:
Security. Its like at work where you normally don't have an Admin account. Users really aren't intended to have root. Its really only because an unlocked bootloader gives you R/W access to the system that you can force root. All these exploits get patched or at least they try and patch them when they are found. With root apps could really run wild on your system. When you give an app root access it can do anything it wants without you knowing. Its like installing an app from the app store and not seeing the permissions it requests.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rlb81:
I get that, but what drives the need to shut it down? Most people aren't rooted and those who are understand the risks (or should...)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mattlach:
My experience has usually been that everything is ready to go, and then Verizon decides to take months to "validate" it for their network.

Which is kind of lame, especially considering all these things are supposed to be standards compliant, not requiring any particular testing or validation.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jasoraso:
Last year, perhaps in an effort to throw everyone for a loop, the Moto X on Verizon was the FIRST to get updated to KitKat, the first out of all the different carrier's Moto X's, and it even received the update before the Nexus 4, as I recall.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Verizon release the Moto X 2014 Lollipop update before Google has released all of the updates for its various Nexus lines. I heard a rumor that Motorola engineers are hoping to have that happen, at least for the Moto X Lollipop in general (the Verizon issue does throw a wrench into the timing for sure).

I would also guess that the Droid Turbo lollipop release won't be more than a week behind the VZW Moto X Lollipop release, at least I'm hoping that's the case!

Then the issue becomes whether to update to Lollipop, which I would say has about a 1% chance of getting root/bootloader unlock, or staying on KitKat, which I would guess, has about a 5% chance of getting rooted/unlocked. That's a 5x more likely possibility, but still isn't a very great possibility :(

I think I'll be taking the update, and hoping that VZW will release a developer version - in which case I'll be giving my turbo to my son, and upgrading!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
It's getting to the point now (at least for me) where I don't need root anymore. I came to realize this after going from a droid maxx to a dev ed moto x 2013. After having the bootloader unlocked and rooted I didn't do much with it. There's no need to run rom's because you can't utilize the moto app's. Unless you have unlimited data there's no sense in wifi tether and really except for xposed which won't work on lollipop anyways there's no reason. Phones are getting better and faster with less issues and for me root is becoming moot (rhyme). Since I got the Turbo (only for a week now) I am actually glad to have a phone I don't sit and waste my tinkering looking for ways to make something that doesn't need to be better. It's already better. As for lollipop I am looking forward to it but I'm also patient because for me, there's nothing wrong with kitkat. The ooh's and aah's of lollipop look great but it'll get here when it gets here. The old days of needing roms (gingerbread, ics, jb) are becoming long gone and I think with lollipop I won't feel it needs any changes. Do yourselves the favor of being content with the phone and take the update when it comes. You might be happier then waiting for unlocked bootloader/root that you may not even need.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Man I couldn't have said that better. That's why I bought this phone. I love to flash and play around but my last phone had a GPE rom and I loved it. Went with moto because its so close to it. I do have unlimited and could use the tether but I only used it for my kids tablets in a pinch. If it gets rooted or even unlocked I'm sure I'd play around but at this point I'm very content with this phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Cobra04:
I'm in the minority, but lollipop looks terrible. Between the lock screen notifications, drop-down notifications, and the setting app, I don't want it. I welcome the performance upgrades, but that's it. I love the black background and simple white text/icons of Kit Kat, especially with an AMOLED screen where it literally saves battery. I'll be sure to turn down the update until we have bootloader unlock or root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
When I bought the Droid Turbo, I made the decision expecting never to root the phone. I have hotspot on my plan and the ability to disable apps is almost the same as deleting the bloatware (just less space).

Tasker does everything I need without root.

Battery is good enough (Greenify not needed)

Phone runs fast enough (setCPU is out the window)

If we can think of a genuine amount of reasons for root on the turbo then it will increase my hope. From the looks of it the demand is not that high at this time. And once lollipop comes out that's probably the "no turning back" point for users.

I think 5.0 is a more appealing than a root at this point. But isn't that always the race? Root vs the next Android update?

I remember back in the days when I used to root my phone just to have the features of an android update that was never rolled out for my device.

And to respond to those who ask why the lock down on preventing roots? Well its simple. If each phone manufacturer eventually offers a Developer Edition of a phone, they could kiss all that sweet money goodbye by supporting root on their normal phones. It's all money. Provide a Dev edition to acquire more money. Am I right?

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
Lollipop for Droid Turbo

Is it possible that the Turbo is too new for a soak test and when they release it for the 2014 moto x it'll also be released for the Turbo? The Moto g, moto x, and the turbo basically run exactly the same so my thinking is again, the Turbo is too new for a soak so I have a feeling they'll release it at the same time. It wouldn't make much sense for a phone that came out last week to wait longer than a phone that came out a few months ago. Yes I know the x and the g are on other carrier's but it still doesn't add up to me. Verizon might hold it up a bit longer but I bet within 2 weeks at the most this phone gets Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ahaynes42:
All of this talk of giving up root for this phone has made me feel better about my decision. I've been modding and rooting since my Droid X days. But I finally feel like the OS is advanced enough to where I don't need it. I mostly miss the customization that custom ROMs give you. But with things like Power Toggles out there, I'm making due. As for Lollipop, it is unfortunate that it will be so locked down, but I think the advantages it brings with it like Project Volta will outweigh the lockdown. I'm curious to see how big ROMs like Cyanogenmod will handle Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
That's what I've been saying. Droid X needed rom's for it to perform better, battery, etc. I had the droid razr maxx same thing. Moto x 2013 didn't need roms. Who cares about roms at that point? I gave up root/unlocked bootloader with this phone. Are the benefits of root/bootloader really that important to you? And again, are you going to hold out on Lollipop because you don't want to lose the possibility of root? I don't stress about the root tinkering anymore. Doing all that to me means you aren't happy with the phone the way it is. Wifi tether would be the only reason at this point and unless you have unlimited data (which I gave up as well) it's not even worth it. I'm ready for lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
Right! All my phones have always been rooted to improve performance. Back from my original HTC g1. They needed it! When I got my g2 (lg lol) things like overclocking we're no longer a factor. I rooted my G g2 because I wanted it to run stock Android. Or the stock software with a stock Android look. Other than that I'm trying to think what I want root for? The only thing! Would be to remove the bloat for storage space. That to me is just not worth it. There are a few tasker commands I'd like that need root. But that's just "showing off" stuff.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TheBiles:
Will people ever learn to not pay any mind to what a CS drone tells you in a chat/over the phone?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mikera67:
If history teaches us anything, I'm guessing root will be found, maybe not right away, but how many phones have been unrootable? It's a game, Google patches known holes and what they think are holes, then many many people look for something they missed or come up with something nobody even thought of.

I'm with most though, I've rooted every phone since the first droid, it's fun, adds extras, but besides two things that I miss, tether(which I think will be available soon) and xposed,I really don't miss root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjcforpres:
Security is what drives the need to shut it down. Just like people make an app that auto-roots your phone, someone could make malware that auto-roots your phone then wreaks havoc, from stealing your information, to wiping your phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Metfanant:
I have to point out...all this "usual delay" stuff really kinda rubs me the wrong way...anyone that paid attention to the Droid Line from last year would know that the Droid phones were the first non-nexus devices to get updates...

I don't know why anyone expected different from the turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] krabman:
The real concern is money, with root you can stop ads and do all kinds of other things that put a speedbump in front of corporate effort to use you for every cent you have.

As for those that don't care or think they need or want root, I respect that opinion. I however do many things with root and to me the phone is only a fraction of its possible self without it. I will not own a phone that cannot be rooted and never will until the very last phone that can be rooted dies. I'll own that last phone myself or have had it taken from my dying hands by a like minded individual that possessed greater firepower. :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
I agree with you 100%. Root would convert this turbo into a supercharger with all the mods and tweaks root does.

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I'm sure there will even be root for 5.0 which always has happened with every version of android since droid 1 all just a matter of patience. Even on the Iphones there is jailbreak for iOS 8
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Haha. Guarantee that. I give it 3 hours for that thread to open after it goes live.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
Let's not forget how long it takes on first boot for ART to "optimize the apps" haha
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] impala454:
My wife and I have noticed recently the HD calling just sort of turned on. I had set it up weeks ago but only lately have we begun having calls affected. What stinks is it seems non-HD calls have taken a hit in quality. I suspect Verizon / Motorola will be more concerned with getting that fixed than getting a whole new OS integrated.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
I think this only happens when you turn on art in Dev mode. Cm12 does not update all apps only new ones at boot
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
ART is default (the only choice actually) on Lollipop. And then, like you said, only updates new ones if you were to reboot for whatever reason.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
That's normal procedure for the new apps upon reboot to get processed. As long that it won't be like the droid turbo now that keeps processing all apps upon every reboot on art mode