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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
He could definitely know that it wont if he releases it before the lollipop update... I dont care much for lollipoop so I hope he isnt waiting
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
That's a good point. So by the time someone figures out how to fix the file so it can be flashed we could be coming up on the next Android os. It would be a constant cycle of being way behind.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
Fy I have no involvement in the turbo root
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
i stand corrected. nonetheless, thank you for the things you have brought to the community.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Droidavie:
This is so real. Thanks for taking the time to post.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
no worries, i just dont want someone else to miss out on their deserved "glory"
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
ha ha. yeah, seems thats about all they have to gain, sadly
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Droidavie:
Alright, quit your whining, of course people aren't going to give the full pledge.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
ha ha. funny your initial $20 isnt on the new list man. and this is the flaw in all of your logic. keep a system set up to try to gain root by "pledging" money to convince the *SELECT* few that can crack Motos software to help, then crapping on that by backing out. i have nothing to gain, dude. just calling it like anyone with logic would see it. there is ZERO motivation for people to create exploits if people do not follow through with what they promise. the accolades and "glory" are not enough considering what their time is truly worth. im amazed you have the minerals to say im whining. guess you didn't make the evolutionary curve.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] EvanLovesToast:
Regardless of what everyone is arguing about, I'm extremely happy progress has been made with this phone. I got this phone discounted with a discounted plan since I was able to get a concession line through my workplace. Coming from a nexus 5, I have REALLY missed root. Can't wait to see this released to the public.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
Could you add some paragraph breaks to this it is very difficult to read w/o paragraph breaks, thanks!

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They could make us take a test where we had to know what rooting and unlocking mean, what a custom recovery is, how to use fastboot and adb, like a driver's license for unlocked androids, lol!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
I intend full well to give what I pledged.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] calarco3:
Yes sign me up for unlock license! Awesome idea.

sent from my handcuffed droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
ha ha. yeah. sorry. i never intend to write more than a line or two. ;)

as far as the license, i only meant to forego warranty, but not a bad idea. the oems care a bit about education, but im pretty sure the carriers prefer us to be as dumb and uneducated as possible. ;) anyone who has seen Idiocracy should get this. with electrolytes and s*$%.!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mocha_Bean:
The reason Verizon doesn't let us root is not because they think we're stupid; it's because they don't want us to tether.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] calarco3:
That may well be but the same argument to then not wanting to cater to us root/modding community because we are such a small market share, the same reasoning applies to it not being worth trying to stop the few of us who still have unlimited data from tethering

sent from my handcuffed droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
i disagree entirely. i have never tethered and I have burned through 32gb of data like its nothing. (dev maxx crashed out on a bad flash)

The business model on both ends, fails if people aren't buying new phones.

Verizon would love every UDP customer to upgrade (and they happily give tethering for free on the new plans.) *also keep in mind, the majority of people smart enough to keep UDP through whatever means, are people like us that WANT root/bl unlock, so it is a blanket strategy to get us to cave.*

So why would I upgrade? If my phone has great hardware (think Moto), and everyone has unlock (think Droid 1), there will be guys like Pete Alfonso and ChevyNo1 cranking out overclocked/UV kernels that blow the doors off of the specs of anything new in the product pipeline.

[We] as a whole, not us enthusiasts, *are* stupid. Case and point, go into a VZW store and mingle. Assess carefully the first person that asks about the EDGE plan and takes it. (double price phone that still retains contract obligation/terms). You will figure it out pretty quick. The average person knows very little about their device outside of their range of use and buzz words from advertisements. In fact, the average consumer is pretty dumb.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mocha_Bean:
They probably do know that their consumers are stupid, but that's probably not the whole reason. Even though you *can* burn through lots of data on your phone, most people will use a lot more when they're tethered to their computer. Downloading and torrenting, among other things.

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The group of people with unlimited data is a lot larger than the modding community.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Is it? I don't know of anyone that isn't a part of the mod community that has it. I guess that is possible, though. I haven't dug for numbers on that in a while. (Since the no throttle ruling) ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] calarco3:
It's not just the number of people that have it either that is a concern. It's the people they lose by locking bootloader vs the people that would blow thru data with tethering. I imagine in the long run they would be a wash.

sent from my handcuffed droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
For reasons beyond my control I did loose my UDP but it wasn't intentionally done thinking I was getting a "deal" lol But I've been telling people right and left that EDGE was a rip off yet they still flock to it like a moth to a flame. But touching on the last part of your post it extremely irritates me when you see these people that constantly have the newest and best phones and don't know much more than how to text and play candy crush. "No offense to CC intended lol" But the only reason they have these super powerful phones is because they just want it because they were told it was top of the line when in fact all they really need to suit their needs would be a $90 straight talk phone or something of that nature. Then another irritating thing is when someone asks your opinion on what phone to get "because they know you are an enthusiast" Then they get to the Verizon store and get with some sales person that sounds smart to them but really doesn't know anything more than the customer. They just make themselves sound like they know what they are talking about because they know some of the lingo from working there but don't really know what it means. I suggested this phone to my nephew and the lady at the Verizon store said "why would you want that phone? All it is basically is a Droid razr maxx with a nicer screen and bigger battery. What you need is a galaxy s4" She said an s4! Not an s5 but an s4! Lol. Then she also proceeds to tell him there was no such thing as a DT Employees edition. "Which is what I have " That I must be mistaken. OMG that set me off so bad I actually went to the store a carried my phone and the receipt and showed to her! Lol Sorry for rambling. Just got on a soapbox and got on a roll. LOL
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mocha_Bean:
Birds of a feather flock together?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Droidavie:
:(

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You mad bro?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Na. Just figured I'd call ya out since ya felt compelled to be a smart ace.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Droidavie:
Just can't believe you're complaining about people not following up on promises, its the internet, keep the high standards for yourself
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
whoever the mod is for this thread needs to wake up
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] calarco3:
Right let's everybody say were going to duo things then just not.

It's asinine. Don't pledge if you don't want to pay.

sent from my handcuffed droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Couldnt we just rename the thread?

Perhaps: [BOUNTY] ROOT/BOOTLOADER UNLOCK (SUUREEE, WE'LL PAY)

In person, i tend to curse a heck of a lot, so if i havent PG'd it enough somewhere, lmk. Other than that, I am at a loss as to what you think is wrong.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] DireWolfAlpha:
If you pledge and don't pay I hope they give you a virus through this root method
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mocha_Bean:
I think the thread's owner stopped checking on it. That's what happened to the Verizon Moto X root bounty thread. I volunteered to take control of the Moto X thread, and the original owner was okay with it, but I couldn't get a hold of a mod to transfer control of the thread.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Here we are back on topic: Current bounty $3420 for root. Updated list available here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n78i4o29uptwm30/Old List Compiled.txt?dl=0

OP is [MENTION=236744]rajuabu[/MENTION]

New thread is here: http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-droid-turbo-root-t3053598

New OP is

[MENTION=2311660]danger2u[/MENTION]

New bounty is currently $450.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
unless they rename it to "talk about anything you want" then it seems like we are gonna have a lot of off topic posts. there are posts everywhere from flaming (against rules) to people having conversations with jcase about projects he did 3 years ago. its a bounty thread and too many people are here to hear themselves talk
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JulesJam:
I hope the guy who rooted the Droid Turbo sets up a pay system - the bounty system doesn't work and the only way to encourage these devs to try to root/unlock these phones when it has become such a time consuming endeavor is for them to develop a sure-fire way to get paid.

When it only took someone a short period of time to figure out how to root/unlock, getting 1/3 of the bounty may have been fine. But now it has become such a herculean feat to be able to do it, that isn't enough to incentivize devs to try. Plus in the case of the Moto X 2014 and I am sure with the Droid Turbo too, people who initially pledged ended up getting rid of their phones and moving on to other devices by now. I almost sold mine - the only thing that stopped me was laziness and the fact that I was waiting on the Verizon N6 to make sure that it wasn't so huge that I couldn't deal with it.

Anyhow, I think the devs need to do exactly what jcase and beaups did and set up a paid system. If people don't want to pay, then they can live with their locked down phones or switch to TMobile.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] calarco3:
Talking about the bounty and people paying it is about as on topic as this has been in weeks

sent from my handcuffed droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
bump
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Dude, ive been around here a while. i see and i agree with your point. there is a discussion thread. there is a *new* bounty thread. as i de-railed a lot of it in the last week or two, i apologize.

When I started posting off-topic in this thread (about p115 or so) it was given up on by the OP, and for a moment, became a decent conversation and exchange.

My intent was to make our voices stronger and organize a group of people that were (theoretically motivated).

It was suggested to make another thread, so i did, http://xdaforums.com/android/general/life-liberty-pursuit-root-t3050213, but the conversation stayed here, off-topic.

i apologize [MENTION=4873177]Droidavie[/MENTION] if you don't get my point, as you are completely entitled to pledge/pull your $$ at will.

We have root coming, so i guess back to being on topic. My apologies, [MENTION=6474084]diabl0w[/MENTION] .
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] beaups:
Asking government to intervene because you "can't get what you want" is utterly ridiculous. You want phones to ship with unlockable bootloaders? Go build out a network and some devices. This "it's my device I should be able to do what I want with it" bit is a flawed attitude. When you buy an item, the manufacturer's sole obligation is for that item to do what it was marketed to do. Were these devices marketed as having an unlockable bootloader?

There are countless, obvious reasons why carriers and/or manufacturers prevent bootloader unlocks. Warranty costs, data consumption, possibility of sim-unlock/working on other carriers (fraud/subsidy loss), security, liability (911 availability, end-user data loss, etc), network interference, the list goes on. Of course I'm sure non of these apply to YOU, but they are very real concerns for carriers and equipment manufacturers.

(obviously) I'm all for exploiting these devices for root/bootloader-unlock. But expecting the government to step in, just because you don't get your way, is foolish.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Well, I guess that is that. I am whining and complaining. I presumed, perhaps that you were a little smarter than that man... Well, actually, I already know you are. While the points you articulate *sound* like legitimate reasons, I am fairly certain I do not have to tell you the VZW Nexus 6 is the same board, and is, by default, boot loader unlocked. I do not have to look very far for your motivation to refute any argument, as you actually do stand to benefit, at least a little, if not a whole lot.

As far as the legal end, or expecting a legislative result, I am sure you haven't read the numerous times I have outright said I expect nothing to happen, nor even *really* (as adrenalyne said) think it *should*. But sure, chalk it up to me whining for what I want acting as if it was only for my soul benefit and to appease my whiny inner child. Lets forget the rulings in play at the moment for the consumer that can *influence* the way a company looks at a consumer complaint/issue. (Ya see it man, there's my version of an exploit). I am relatively resourceful. If i really wanted a legal solution, or to truly only benefit myself, this would not at all be how I would have handled it, as it is pretty clear and easy to argue I had a Dev device, now I don't, replace with a Dev device. My thought was there was an angle that could work. Not likely, but worth trying as no one seemed to be making any headway in root/bl unlock, as so many gave up or simply the few that could did not see the investment of their time being worthwhile. Fair enough. I honestly am amazed that you somehow feel compelled to call me out for being all about me when the point you defend benefits you directly. Irony, eh?

Either way, man, thanks for the feedback. I hope you liked the part about people bs'ing on their pledges the most, considering that *actually* could benefit you *directly* and benefits me ZERO. But cool man. Keep up the hard work. I will keep my "whining " to myself. Hope your next exploit sells really well, dude. God forbid BL just be unlocked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dmbtech:
Very well said. "Warranty costs, data consumption, possibility of sim-unlock/working on other carriers (fraud/subsidy loss), security, liability (911 availability, end-user data loss, etc), network interference," Thank you, glad someone understands this! The Nexus is a liability for Verizon, and they try to keep it isolated, which is why you do not see very many Nexus's on Verizons network. The government does not care about locked/unlock devices, there is no reason why they should... If you do not like this business model, there is other networks that might not care about this liability.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] calarco3:
Not that I want to start arguement with someone with your credentials but I disagree with the point that it is a big a concern as your making it sound to have UNLOCKABLE bootloader, not shipped unlocked. Now making it so you must have some knowledge and skills to get it done is different.

sent from my handcuffed droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] beaups:
Didn't mean to come across so rude, I guess it's my (usually well-tamed) inner-republican coming through :P Honestly, I think the best (only?) way to influence change is to vote with your wallet. The only thing more frustrating to me than all the "whining" (you said it, not me) about these locked bootloaders is that people keep buying these locked devices...To your point, why not a Nexus 6? Why not a device with a known exploit (ahem, HTC)? Why not a different carrier?

Anyhow, sorry for the OT. /rant
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Turbo showed up at my house, dude. Had them send a Nexus, and aside from not liking the physical feel, it was an ATT. that was surmountable, but i figured worst-case-scenario, i could hock the EE and buy a Maxx. I didnt pick the Turbo, the Turbo picked me. (or at least one of Motos Exec Support people thought i had that good of an argument and knew that it is a hard to resist phone aesthetically.) I spent nearly 2 months going back and forth with them (and a month trying to find a Mini on 4.4 as i knew it would be a long haul)

Dude, i respect your work, and who you are in the community. (my 4.4 mini *is*unlocked). Ultimately, my blanket approach was only to benefit others. I think if this russian thing (edit: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3053825)

doesn't work out, i am, in fact, gonna sell it and try to open up vzw signal on a MM. (xt1225).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] beaups:
That russian method looks like a disaster, and I see references to sunshine as well. Anyhow, looks like you'll be getting root soon, so that's good.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Yessir. it is appearing no one is flashing with a factory cable (i cant imagine it to be possible on a mini, maxx maybe). hopefully, that leads to something better, but i can see the possible folly. (or the ones that either borked fastboot or are learning a wireless charger is your friend, like i did as physical ports do wear out, even being ocd about only using moto cables. )
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ryanbg:
I can't echo this enough. I've complained to Samsung and Verizon for over a year. Instead of continuing to buy locked devices, I put my money where my mouth is and bought a Nexus 6. When the OEM and carrier start seeing dwindling device sales, only then will a change take place. However, our demographic is a needle in a haystack.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ahaynes42:
All this talk of people not paying what they pledge is upsetting. I get that there is no actual binding contract in forum on the internet, but is there any way we can make something that is binding? Like maybe a kickstarter or something where people have to have a payment method registered? Does anyone know if crowdfunding has ever been used to release an exploit?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Thats an interesting idea.

I think the easiest way to go is make people pay for root. It keeps people honest.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
I would agree to this, but what would stop people of taking the root method and doing it for others that didnt pay? are u referring to something similar to sunshine, but for root? I was all for that idea. [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] and his crew did an excellent job on sunshine. Was able to unlock my m8 an my wifes m8. fifty bucks isnt that bad for two devices that cost hundreds.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dmbtech:
Problem with creating a system where the user must pay to root as that it can most likely be reversed engineered and someone will figure out how it works and release a free version of the exploit, especially if it is a publicly known exploit. I am sure JCase/beaup's sunshine software sees this happening in different places as well, however a root is probably easier to reverse engineer. I think the best approach for this would be to PM all the users that promised a bounty.

Personally, I would never pay for a root(its temporary, can easily be wiped out by a software update, no removal of write protection on root partition), and I would pay for a bootloader exploit.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjsockett:
I agree. I had no problem whatsoever paying for Sunshine on my Moto X before it died. There is so much time that goes into not only the initial development, but also the follow up support, that devs deserve a guaranteed compensation, not just a hope that more than half of the people follow through on a pledge.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mdav07:
I would have no problem paying for a service like sunshine. In my opinion it only helps because people will have to pay to have it. If sunshine worked for the turbo I'd pay right now. As for updates erasing root, just don't take updates. Setting up a service like this only insures the owner or creator of the exploit gets paid for their services, which I believe they should for their time an knowlage. As for this root exploit I'm really excited an ready for it, but I have no problem waiting longer for this exploit!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mocha_Bean:
Some of us (VZW Moto X checking in) aren't 100% sure that the root will work on our non-Turbo devices. I might pay if I knew it would work on my device, but not if I didn't.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
Sunshine will tell you if it will work before you pay. Everyone should use that system
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
^^ This is me, exactly. I will straight up pay, not pledge for bl unlock. I would rather VZW change their practices and allow bl unlock on any device, but I do not foresee that happening when this community doesn't even agree that would be beneficial.

As far as root/bl unlock, I am still at a loss as to why no one can make a script toolkit that flashes the N6' fxz's boot loader. It is the same processor, ram, etc. I wish someone would figure out interchangeability (obviously security/signatures stand in the way at the present, (although i haven't seen where anyone actually tried and bricked (nor would I expect anyone to)) with the xt1225 or the N6 and this phone.

As far as pledges go, and pm'ing people, i made a tagged list of all people in the entire thread, as it is easier, but for whatever reason, the list won't post on my mac or my phone. the OP said it was "impossible", but somehow I heard *challenge*.

I erroneously thought maiko1 was working w/ Jcase, but as he confirmed, dude is on his own. it would be advantageous for everyone if dude was partnered in for a separate "motoshine" so to speak, and could work together with a proven distribution method and some of the best security people around. Time is money, though, and both are scarcities these days, so I don't know anyone involved there would even *want* such to exist. This would ensure dude at least makes *something* for his work and would take far less time to integrate provided all of the above wanted to and had time to make such a reality. I don't know why I presumed that was what was happening. Back on track...

The new bounty is growing, at the least, but nothing says the people in this one *wouldn't* pay (with one exception) provided they know this is coming (hence the tags). So PM'ing is another good idea to pull it back up close to where it was. Still, something tells me the money was not [MENTION=5697730]maiko1[/MENTION]'s motivation. At least we all should hope not.