[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Looking at everything online, im inclined to think its going to be 5.1 across the board. (X, Maxx, Turbo).

I've suggested on G+ they just use Nexus developer options, but im sure that will go completely ignored. really, it boils down to this: Moto and VZW have an agreement (that is longstanding) to not unlock bootloaders. Moto, in a horribly pressured position, refused on the grounds that it would compromise this agreement.

If an update that prevents it comes to fruition or not, principally, it is balderdash to tell anyone they cannot bl unlock when that agreement has been in place since the first developer edition phones.

If more people bothered to show how important this is to them and the community *actually* acted, the numbers would speak for themselves.

People like myself would have adopted no sd card and no removable battery far sooner if we knew, definitively, that we would have development. the *only* reason i adopted the xt1080mDEV was bootloader unlock. Development was nothing compared to any other phone ive had. (d1, dinc, droid x, bionic, Rezound, Razr Hd Maxx) I think this was due to everyone knowing it didn't have root/bl unlock for as long as it did.

i am so grateful root has been achieved, but i fear it eclipses the point: we should have the option initially. there is no justifiable reason to prevent it (old claims were network performance, theft of devices, warranty claims, support calls, etc) aside from ensuring the shelf life is shorter on newer devices.

Remember now, the first Droid was BL unlocked and had BOATLOADS of development leaving users, like myself, from having any need to upgrade and buy a new device or sign any contract. This is a disadvantage for both companies. (hence the agreement)

The Droid 2 and Droid X both were the first Droids to be bl locked. Theft or warranty likely played a large role in this decision, but the rapid rare at which new devices came out, i am still inclined to think the main reason was the realization of how much more life and performance we coukd get out of our phones.

When the first dev (xt912) came out, it created bl unlock, but in very limited nunbers and at the cost of warranty, creating poor sales and statistical data that likely suggested there are not too many of us. Unaccounted for are the droves of safestrap users that clung to Bionics and Og Razrs. It has set a precedent for Moto to not void warranty on dev models for unlocking. (they know what we know, the hardware is solid).

The cycle of exploits has kept us where we are. *someone* will crack it, we will get *root* eventually, and theoretically, we will all be stifled and complacent to accept such then because of our belief that this is just how it works. It shouldn't require anything, save our willingness to push devices and the platform farther. Please don't get me wrong Am i glad we are getting root? *ABSOLUTELY*. Ultimately, though, we are still accepting a business model based on ignoring the customers with the largest voices. Does the average user read up on the tech news outlets and forums like this one? No. We do. There are literally thousands of dollars in ad revenue thrown at us specifically, but our buying power and impact on the market is not realized.

We all presume root and bl unlock will come. We are fortunate to have people like [MENTION=422491]maiko[/MENTION] involved and making a difference using their skillsets to hack us in, but ultimately, these are the guys that have to have a reason to devote their time. case and point, there *was* a $3k bounty. this thread went to s%$* and thats cool, im all for chaos if it brings something better, but a paltry $450 for people who could likely make more than that in an hour, is kind of insulting. I am more than happy to donate what i have (time, literacy, an extra device here and there) but i don't feign to pretend i have enough of a pledge (i am jobless ATM, after all) or would have an amount of money that would be representative of my gratitude or appreciation. however, to those that have, you made an agreement, and your word *should* mean something. your pledges very well could have been the motivation for this exploit, and considering few of you are willing to bother to waste a bit of your time alone to change the way things work (http://xdaforums.com/android/general/life-liberty-pursuit-root-t3050213 or

hit up moto or VZW on social media), those that pledged $$ should make good on what they were willing to contribute.

This was the route you chose to make things different, and you should follow through as the change *you* sought is coming to be.

As you can see, whether you want to or not, this has been my effort. This was what i could afford, and honestly i feel entitled to BL unlock (from Moto/Vzw not the creator of an exploit.) I had a Dev Edition phone that was replaced by Moto, with a Turbo. I didnt break out pledges or money, but i committed to changing this for everyone as it principally is an issue that i believe in.

However, looking at people back out with such little resolve and character, and seeing little to no response from Moto or Verizon, i feel it is a losing battle. Finally getting root via exploit is great, but allowing the mindset of the companies to be 'they will buy it anyway' and leave the business model unchecked, is a loss. next time a Moto device comes out locked down, people will probably go twice as long, and pledge twice as much, and still be baffled as to why security experts (who dont even *need* your money) dont give a crap about helping you.

thank you [MENTION=5697730]maiko1[/MENTION]. i will be happy to buy your finished product. i will be happy (as i said, bc my word is not bs) to let you have my xt1030 "dev" to broaden the platform of the new exploit to the msm8960dt users on 4.4.4. i will be glad to write anything you need, or help you in any way as my skillset allows (considering it is not the same as yours, nor could be if i spent the rest of my life trying). i appreciate the dudes who kick ass at being the good hackers out there.

To all, i apologize for being long winded in this (impossible to recover unless you spend an hour (yeah, it really wasnt so impossible) thread. I will keep pushing #unlockthedroids and the petition until it resolves. i think you can appreciate that as we all know the security researchers in the room have great things to do for society, not just android users. sorry to all annoyed by this long ace post. someone had to say it.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...e-not-subsized-or-attatched-contract/QfTmsspy

#unlockthedroids [MENTION=256559]medic[/MENTION]beard

kit costantino g+ (my friends list may contain people worth asking about BL unlock)