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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] alien2k1:
$50 for bootloader unlock / $50 for root access
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
The bounty isn't being maintained anymore.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
If you remove the fact that you are much more credible then the other people that have said. You're like the 10th person thats said this phones been rooted but that they're keeping it a secret. What the heck lol

I don't think I've ever seen a phone has so many "secret rooters"
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jhall8:
Agreed! The first rule of Root Club is to share your exploit.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Wow. So there is root, but somehow the person who figured out it existed wont share? That truly beats all. jcase at least shares for compensation. my only guess is whoever figured it out either cant market it bc it is as simple or an app not at all intended to be used on the turbo or simply is being paid off/works for Moto. What other possible motivation would one have to not share? i remember buying my a855 and rooting using command lines and adb push. Joys of an unlocked bootloader. Recently, i used saferoot to root a Bionic (as i read where someone else had). I am fully of the mindset that root for similar processors may work. Bootloader is a whole different story, but really, I am simply blown away this is not shared (even for a price). I am trying to push the whole #unlockthedroids campaign as i only have 30 days to reach 100,000 signatures. [MENTION=2995749]adrenalyne[/MENTION] i have seen you around all of the forums for years and really enjoyed your work. you are old school enough to remember a time when no one even thought to charge $$ or hold back if it pushed development forward. I hope you have tried to persuade your friend. I do not doubt you in the least. Meanwhile, i am preparing an article that will be sent to all the tech sites. If anyone sees a better legal angle that perhaps I am overlooking, please shoot me a message or email. If we can persuade lawmakers to realize the effect bl lock has on innovation, or find a solid angle within the wording of the most recent unlock laws, we really stand a chance. Block C rules are also possible as well.

P.S.- i kept the EE Turbo, so I definately have a solid argument.

The second rule of Root Club is.....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
#unlockthedroid #unlockthedroids

Which hashtag are we going with? :confused: I did both: #unlockthedroid or #unlockthedroids

I just went and signed up, signed the WhiteHouse.gov petition, shared it via Tweet and my Facebook page. We only have 30 days to get 100,000 signatures.

The recent government action to force carriers to let you take YOUR off-contract phone to other (compatible) carriers was a direct result of public action like this. It's been done before and can work here, too.

If you tweet the gov link, you gotta shorten the URL. :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
First and foresmost,thank you! my angle [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] , was the unlocking of a sim was one of the primary reasons bl unlock was arguable. The other 2 that seem to have recursion are free wifi hotspot (bs point) and damage to the phone. if the OEM voids the warranty upon unlock, that point is null as well. Ultimately, there is no justifiable reason left.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
And for people that pay off their contract in 24 months, there is no warranty left anyway. :rolleyes: Usually OEM warranty is for 1 year, and when you pay off the contract there's no extra carrier warranty under normal circumstances (as far as I know).

I've ALWAYS paid for my phones in full, (and my wife's after getting married) so I've never signed a carrier contract in my life (going back to 1999 with my first cell phone on Verizon Prepaid). Starting with my first Android, I've always unlocked the bootloader and rooted. I have no problems with voiding the warranty. :p

If we want to void the warranty, for a phone we have paid for in full, it should be our choice -- not the carrier. WE own the phone, not them.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
exactly. i appreciate all your efforts on the moto maxx, btw, man. i read a heck of a lot more than i post. also, in the spirit of the worst preacher I ever saw, as he *literally* said "Amen" every other word in his [sermon?] i am now #unlockthedroids going #unlockthedroids to be #unlockthedroids pimping that hash out like i'm starring in #unlockthedroids Hustle and Flow. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cstone1991:
My wife and I both just signed the petition. I'm gonna be honest, I don't expect this to work, but it's definitely worth a shot. Thanks for organizing the petition, now we all need to work together to promote the heck out of the petition to try to reach the target.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Ah, good idea! I can get my wife to sign the petition, too. OK, it might be me typing for her... ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
to be completely honest, i dont know if it will hit or not. The results can be exponential, but at the rate it has gone so far, it could be as little as 1000 signatures. i am writing an actual, proper article that i will be sending to various media outlets. Hopefully, at the very least, this enlightens some people as to how android works at its core. much like net neutrality, until the less than tech people have it explained in a means they can grasp, they have no opinion as they don't realize that android has become what it has because if people with unlocked bootloaders and root. even greater things can come of android if a policy is in place. i agree with a comment i had on g+ that our politico will not care too much. but 100000 people cant be too wrong.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] drmrjake:
SIGNED!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
The entitlement is strong with this one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Its not my place to expose someone. I can tell you my phone is not rooted, and I don't have the know how to find a way to.

There is the difference between me and the others. I simply know its possible, but it wasn't by me but rather someone I believe.

You know me, I don't believe most people.

My message was more to quell the loss of hope descending upon the community. I never expected anyone to take it as anything more than encouragement, not that someone was going to be dropping root from on high.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
indeed. I feel the android community as a whole is entitled to hack, tweak, and mod as they please. There is literally no reason the carriers need us bl locked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Well, at least you admit it.

That said, the idea that you are entitled to root is misplaced. The person who puts in the work and succeeds has full rights to either give it out or keep it.

I fully support your crusade against the carriers, even if I doubt it will work. However, root is not something you are entitled to from a private individual (nor I for that matter).

Knowledge is Power for this very reason.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
No, brother, you misunderstand on a rather large scale. My point is we should not have to rely on said person to "put in the work and succeed" bootloader unlock for everyone means no longer do we have to search and hunt for demagogues of security vulnerabilities, or the vulnerabilities themselves. you miss the point.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I understand you feel we shouldn't have to hunt for vulnerabilities to gain root, but attempting to "shame" me into leaking the source of my info because you feel it should be given out is inappropriate. Its not my place to tell anyone who it is, or answer why they won't release it.

I understand why the carriers are doing it, even if I do not agree with them doing it. Our pleas are (and will continue) to fall upon deaf ears because the size of the root community doesn't even make a pock mark on any chart for Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Here is what I suggest:

Everyone pull the system partition contents off the phone:

adb pull /system/

Take the contents, deodex it, and then decompile it (either as code approximation or smali). Then examine all the contents and look for a vulnerability.

I am no expert here, but I personally would look for places where any app calls for elevated permissions.

I am not a security researcher and do not proclaim to know how to find vulnerabilities but that is where I would start.

I already dumped system and sent it to someone to take a peek it. It may, or may not yield results.

This is not my forte. If you need an Adroid app written, or an AOSP rom, or a mildy tweaked kernel, or a web service, then I am your guy. This stuff, not so much.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
A) I wasn't shaming you into anything man. Re-read where i tagged you with the thought that i understood in the first place. i can pick out several examples of why someone wouldnt want to divulge, and even mentioned a couple. what is inappropriate is your defensiveness when I am not putting you on trial. Your friend has their reasons. so be it. i truly do not see a justifiable angle on the carriers behalf.

B) Worst case scenario, it doesnt work, but i have at least made an effort that does not just benefit myself, but the entire community. Think of how much more that could be accomplished.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I've read this a couple times, and I don't read it any different way:

If thats not what you meant, my apologies. However, that is how it reads to me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
rhetorical question.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] thecaptain0220:
What about raising some money to buy a couple of devices. Then get them in the hands of a couple of recognized developers that would be intetsted on working on it? If they get the exploit they can keep the device. If they decide to give up they can pass it on. I know that relies on them being honest, bur if they are fairly well known they are probably going to be honest about it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gcng:
I'm with it. I would give half of my pledge towards a device for a person that is willing to commit to the task of making an honest effort. If anyone wants to call me on it, pm.

Better yet, if there's a developer in my immediate vicinity, NYC, I'll buy the phone outright and hand it to that person myself.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] driscoll42:
I wonder if there's some kind of way we could do a semi-legit kickstarter for this for a recognized developer who could have a strong chance of success. I'd happily contribute to such an endeavor.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] greatnesstx:
I asked GeoHot in an email a couple of days ago to look into it. Haven't heard back from him. I promised him 600$ for a device so once I hear back I'll touch base back here.

---------- Post added at 07:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:31 PM ----------

The email I sent out
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
These kinds of bounties are off limits on XDA, because they tend to end really poorly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
The reason geohot released towelroot when he did, was because he was starting an intern ship working with one of google's security teams the next week.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
and if they failed? What now?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wolfgart:
man, use well your money and give them and your Turbo to [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION].

He is the "sunshine" for us :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] driscoll42:
*shrug* then we've missed out on some cash and it's unfortunate. We'd of course want to not just fund any random guy that's in it for a quick buck and run. But not all R&D has success, it's a risk I'm willing to live with.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] greatnesstx:
Man I was unaware, jcase, I Know your a busy man but if you need a device pm me if feel like working on this
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
If/when I decide to focus on it, I can purchase one, but I appreciate the offer. I don't like borrowing devices unless I know I have something in my pocket for sure, even then I prefer to just buy one. Sometimes it works out, donations recoup the cost, sometimes they dont recoup anywhere near the cost fo the device (cough LG devices, what 4/5 roots? didnt recoup even a single device)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] greatnesstx:
I would pay pal u the money, consider it a gift. If and when you have time on your hands
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] m4rk0358:
Put me down for $25 (root) and $25 (bootloader unlock)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Other then removing bloat, why is everyone so concerned about getting unlocked/rooted for? Installing ROMs will force you to give up the Moto features that are a big part of why this device is as good as it is.

Personally this is the first device I've had that I don't see the need too root immediately and every one I've owned until now has been unlocked

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jfriend33:
Dan Rosenberg said it best. We have to consider our future device purchases. I definitely listened to those words and jcase's.

If you must root, get a htc, Samsung note 4 dev edition, or nexus 6. Heck it seems like even lately excluding yourself from carrier specific devices is also no guarantee. The Samsung phones have even taken months.

And unless a person is content staying on kit kat, what good would root only do? Isn't unlocked bootloader required to root lollipop?

I agree with jcase the bounty system is flawed. There's no guarantee of funds and you don't even have a chance at getting them until you've spent tons of time energy and resources.

I just think it's seriously unfortunate that a pimpin device like the turbo is excluded from a dev edition. Makes me value my droid maxx xt1080m 32gb unlocked consumer edition so much more. Happy it's in pristine condition and I've babied the battery. But if I had the ability to unlock the turbo I'd sell my left testicle.

Heck, lollipop on the maxx may be nice enough anyway...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pablomoca:
I would want the ability to tether wirelessly in an unlimited data plan. That would be the main reason for me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jfriend33:
Right same here. I would like to know if anyone has tried easy tether pro. It's usb or bluetooth. But it always worked on our other droid maxx that's not rooted.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
So why not go with a device that you know is rootable instead of hoping someone like Jcase will put the time and effort into this one?

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ska4fun:
All devices should be rootable. This is a choice for the users, not carriers. Verizon keeping doing that bull**** because of his lenient costumers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pablomoca:
Because in my view this device is better than most. Honestly I wouldn't mind paying for the ability to tether.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
There was no way I could have known that, but I digress. We have identified meaning and it wasn't what I read.

Apologies.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
its cool man. like i said, i really dug your work back in the day. (aka you have my respect) i want you in this just like everyone else. if there really is a good reason the carriers should lock bl, help me out, so i can have that angle covered.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
The biggest problem I see with getting them to do it, is that they are doing it for monetary reasons.

1. They worry about support calls, which is a money sink. Of course this is a pencil pusher decision, those who think to call support are the same ones who think computers are just for facebook and solitaire. Not the rooting crowd.

2. With the small size of the rooting community, even if everyone just left Verizon due to root, it wouldn't effect their bottom line enough for them to notice.

These corporations are so large that everyone is just a (very) small number and the pencil pushers don't even notice.

It would take a mass exodus from Verizon to make a difference and then it would probably just result in them carrying Nexus devices more often.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Yes.That is a valid point. It also is not a point that can defeat the argument. How many support calls, emails, tweets, g+ posts, and anything else do you think they are getting on lack of Lollipop on the msm8960dt devices *as well as* the Droid Turbo? i bet that costs far more than letting the community iron out the bugs. Push it forward and then the OEM's can make a proper update. Not to mention things like Heads Up and Halo have come from cm based roms. its like the development departments get a lighter load. the negative consequence of leaving them locked is not simply losing customers, it is the unmeasurable impact of our place in the world. how many people ask you about phones? (you know, the same people that actually have to call tech-support) i can say in the last 6 months i have had at least 20 questions, etc. i get it all the time. the people around me know how much i read and experiment. my theory is that most of us are like that. most of us have influence that is not calculated in the business model, yet is, and always has been at play.

edit- also, Google's MVNO is launching with only Nexus devices. first carrier to have zero bootloader lock.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It will be interesting to see where the initial markets are at. I can almost bet Im not in one of them :(
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
im probably not either. the southeast is good for many things, but the speed at which technology arrives and is integrated is certainly not one of them. ;(
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Same with the southwest.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
yeah, things are slow to come and slow to progress. it was the end of 2010 when i bought my d1 (after refusing to sign another contract after my omnia. i remember being fascinated by the adb commands that rooted my first android. in fact, the Turbo in my hand atm is the first android phone i have not rooted the day i got it. the thing that blows my mind is how interchangeable sbf files/fxzs used to be on milestone versus droid devices. the droid x, for instance, and having to flash the milestone x firmware to get root. im at a loss as to why moto would swap it up to make it brick. i mean a moto maxx is still a quark. the same principal should apply, but bricks apparently.

EDIT: looking at this, i wish i understood why this wouldnt work.

(pulled from an old g+ post)

How to convert your Developer Droid Maxx into a Developer Moto X!

Let me say this. I am not responsible if you break your phone. Follow this step by step. I am assuming you have a custom recovery and the knowledge to use fastboot.

1. Reboot phone into bootloader mode.

2. Download the Moto X's 4.4 fastboot files from the Motorola website.

3. Extract the files from the zip

4. Flash system using the commands "fastboot flash system system.img"

5. Flash the boot.img using the commands "fastboot flash boot boot.img"

6. Flash fsg using the commands "fastboot flash fsg fsg.bin"

7. Flash the modem using the commands "fastboot flash modem NON-HLOS.bin"

8. Erase modemst1 and modemst2 using the commands "fastboot erase modemst1 & fastboot erase modemst2"

9. Reboot into twrp.

10. Wipe data and cache.

11. Reboot system.

12. Profit.

pulled this from a g+ post. idk if it has an application post 4.4, but it is interesting at the least

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] brianmagicr:
Also signed!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
I don't expect you to expose who it is. I wouldn't. I just find it interesting.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kwyrt:
Wait. Did I just read through a couple pages of civil, rational discussion? Am I still in the Droid Turbo forum? [emoji12]
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
I tend to think of the BL being locked with an automotive-like analogy.

Say that you have this "Network" of highways, owned by "Vroom-izon".

You have purchased, whether outright and in full, or via some sort of contract, doesn't matter, a device to operate on this Network. We'll call it a "Motor-ola".

Now basiclly, Vroom-izon is telling Motor-ola that if Motor-ola wants their device to be able to be operated on Vroom-izon's Network, it must be made with some restriction as dictated by Vroom-izon, something like automatic locking door locks or such.

Now, as seems to be human nature, there's a small segment of Motor-ola owners that feel they should have control of when, where, or even if their Motor-ola should have this function (I'd like to have the freedom to make this decision for myself), but Vroom-izon says that in order for their Network to be "safer", or whatever their rationale might be, Vroom-izon is going to require it, and because it's their Network, so be it.

I hope that makes sense, the coffee isn't quite done yet.

I think that I could probably come up with some additional analogies, but no one wants to hear them.;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] gqskrub:
This was punny! Your analogy, afaik, is correct but it left out that the U.S. created a law that said in order for Vroom-izon to be allowed to build the network of roads, it must allow "open-access" - meaning it cannot restrict what kind of cars drive on their network. Since Vroom-izon knows it's super rich and can afford lawyers and that no one will bring up a court case against them, they said FU drivers and require everyone to do what they say. WHILE REAPING CRAZY PROFITS. This is tyranny.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Yes. ^^ this, exactly. That was the catch of acquiring Block C (the sweetspot frequency, 700mhz). my car was being throttled. the FCC put an end to that. My car was locked to the Vroom-izon toll-road. CITA took care of that. In the present climate of user rights and electronics, it really isnt quite a good position to be in, hanging out at the toll booth, trying to govern my engine, and then telling me i can make no improvements to my car on a highway i paid the toll to be on. #unlockthedroids https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...e-not-subsized-or-attatched-contract/QfTmsspy
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rpitera:
Signed the petition, though much like adrynalyne I don't see it going anywhere because the numbers just don't matter to vzw, even if the petition got the full 100000. But I'll support any effort you come up with and thank you for trying.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
You don't understand. It's not up to Verizon if the government takes action.

Verizon also opposed the previous relatively weak net neutrality rules, which they got struck down. So, the FCC then went nuclear in spite of Verizon.

This is a petition to the government, not Verizon. ;)

(and many companies see the handwriting on the wall and decide it's better to do something on their own terms rather than be forced to do so under government regulation.)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Maybe share this in all xda will help
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
The government cant force a company to allow unlocked bootloaders unless there is good enough reason too. I can guarentee there is only a few droid turbo users here (I am one) that paid full price of it. Most people on here got it on subsidized or the verizon edge. This will not go anywhere. The government will try, but all verizon will have to say is protection or security of their network and it will get thrown out. Good luck though.