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[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
It does have full GPS according to

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/wearables/gear/SM-R7500ZWABTU

Scroll down to the specs and it just says "GPS/Glonass" not A-GPS

You are right that A-GPS is using positional information based on cell towers rather than satellites. It is often used to help GPS get a quicker lock as it helps the device get a rough idea of where it is, which then allows it go online, look-up which satellites should be orbiting and their coordinates. This means a lock can be reduced from 60 seconds down to 5.

I don't expect Samsung has done a naughty thing here, because the chip used for the radio these days incorporates all these things into a single module (i.e. Mobile radio, Wifi, Bluetooth, GPS etc)
[Samsung Gear S] joytest:
Anyone else able to test the gps?

I got a report from my home forum that his gps works without a phone. This sounds like a problem.

I have tested with Location unchecked, it won't work. The app will ask to turn it on anyway.

I have a data SIM and it is also remotely connected via 3G to my Note4, therefore A-GPS should work in my case.

It seems like there is a batch with faulty GPS.

Once more people in XDA confirm I will bring it to the service center.
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
I should have the watch today if the courier does their job and I will report back on this.
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
I got the watch and tried it. There is definitely real GPS built-in. I was able to use the Weather application while the phone was switched off, and it got a lock on where I was and gave me weather for my town. I also tried the "Here" map application with no phone connected and it came up with my street on the display. I also found you can download the maps offline and use the watch as a navigator without the phone at all, exactly as I would like to see. The one thing I haven't validated yet, but I am fairly sure will be the case, is that if the phone is connected, you don't get a choice whether it uses the phone GPS or the watch one.....we will see :)
[Samsung Gear S] Tahde:
Co-sign this. Did almost the same things. I got a lock with location as well.

Sent from my SM-T807P
[Samsung Gear S] joytest:
Damn looks like I have to visit the service center.

By the way, does your model number on the box state SM-R750 or does it have any suffixed letters like 750Z or D or whatever?
[Samsung Gear S] Tahde:
SPHR750KIT. SM-R750P Gear S

Sent from my SM-T807P
[Samsung Gear S] bisto321:
My GPS is working in the UK. Got location lock on 'here' maps and weather updated with my location too.

Not got a Samsung phone yet, so it is definitely not paired to anything
[Samsung Gear S] Uniquebarbee:
Does GPS eat up your watchphone data when it works standalone or is it pulling from your phones data somehow
[Samsung Gear S] bisto321:
I am not paired to a phone. A-GPS will potentially use some. Glonass won't. Only a small amount of triangulation data to allow the GPS module to gain a quicker lock from satellite. But if you are using here maps then I suppose it will need a bit more data to update location information etc.

Is there a 3G data monitor for Tizen devices? Don't suppose there will be, seeing as this is the first device to use a SIM
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
I do find the reception of the Mobile, GPS and WiFi to be inferior to the phone...but I guess that's not too surprising.

But I am a bit confused with Here being used without the phone. I get a GPS lock and tells me what street I am in...good....then I download England as offline maps...all good...then I ask it to find a destination, which it finds and shows me a route...all good! BUT the play button is greyed out! I can't hit the play button to begin live navigation! All I can see is a list of turns I should make, but I can't get it to go interactive. If I do tether against a phone, then the play button turns blue. I don't get this because it has done all the hard work of calculating the route. Can you get the play button to turn blue on yours without a paired phone?
[Samsung Gear S] bisto321:
Yes. Just tested it on my walk home from work. It is not paired to any device, bluetooth and wifi off - just using data over mobile network and GPS.

Mile and a half walk home and the watch performed really well.

Got off the train and got location lock within about 20 seconds, planned a route to my address and got the blue play icon right away?

The route it gave me was not my preferred walk, but it re-routed without any issue. At each milestone it vibrates and a quick glance gives you your next turn and distance.

Very impressed. Only thing to note is that using GPS and mobile network sucks the battery pretty quick. Lost about 15% in 25 minutes!

---------- Post added 8th November 2014 at 12:10 AM ---------- Previous post was 7th November 2014 at 11:47 PM ----------

To answer my own question - yes there is. It is built in to the device;

Settings -- Connections -- Data Usage -- Data Usage

I have used a whopping 169kb of my 2GB allowance - better start reigning that usage in :)
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
I don't get it! I just can't get that Play symbol to turn blue! The only difference between you and I , is that my watch is also paired with a phone (although the phone was switched off at the time to force it to standalone). Can anyone else try this?
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
It occurred to me that I may be running different firmware to Bisto321 because I paired with my Note 4 initially and it updated the firmware. I would be surprised if that has anything to do with it, but it's the only thing I can think of that is different right now
[Samsung Gear S] riki0081:
Hello Gear S users,

I'm using Gear S(SM-R750D from DoCoMo) in Japan.

I left my paired phone in my home and go workout using pre-installed Running apps.

Running apps get GPS Location without bluetooth connection to my phone and

show me current location with small map. It's download via 3G Data connection.

After workout, I can show my workout course on Nike+ site. It exact and detailed.

I think Gear S's GPS work good without bluetooth phone connection.

More information.

I tried a navigation Gear Apps (GPS Maps 2 Gear).

It's using paired-phone GPS, not Gear S's GPS.

best regards,

riki0081 from Japan.
[Samsung Gear S] lucgalg62:
navigation not start without a paired phone

HI

I get my gear yesterday and i have the same problem like jonstatt

The navigation cannot start without a bluetooth connection!

The gps work with all other apps

regards
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
Did you update the firmware on the watch? I have a feeling it is related to the firmware update :(
[Samsung Gear S] lucgalg62:
Navigation do'nt wants to start

HI

yes i do it

Maybe the new watch firmware is not more compatible with the navi app!

I think we have to try to contact the Samsung Support in our country.

Regards
[Samsung Gear S] ampm325:
We're you playing music while running? This watch needs streaming pandora.
[Samsung Gear S] Alpha06:
This might be a silly question, but did you download offline maps for HERE to work properly? It's the 3rd screen on the map app.

Edit: this doesn't work. My GPS HERE doesn't find my location either :/

Edit: Held down the main button, set mobile connection to auto on/off and it locked in my position when I launched HERE. I am not on any data plan.
[Samsung Gear S] highlordkram:
It has the streaming Milk service on it, that seems limited but works well
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
The problem that a few have been having is not with getting a GPS lock. It can take 20 seconds or so, but it finds me. The issue is that after you put in your destination and it tells you the route details, you cannot press the "Play" button to properly start navigation as it is grey instead of blue.
[Samsung Gear S] NinjaMom:
I am able to press the blue pay button and navigation begins. Is there a connection on the carrier in this issue maybe? Line maybe I carrier crippled it?
[Samsung Gear S] joytest:
Hi all,

An update of the GPS problem. After much reading and re-reading of posts, I have come to the conclusion that GPS seems to work selectively.

It looks like S-Health and Nike+ are working.

For me, S-Health location works now, without being tethered to the phone, but Here does not work at all.

I suspect that Here expects some kind of GPS protocol message from an Android device, and this being Tizen, it could be rejecting it and waiting for the Android phone.

Perhaps Here needs a collaborative effort from both Microsoft and Samsung....but now with the patent tiff ongoing AGAIN, we may be still stuck with semi-functional Here for some time.
[Samsung Gear S] lucgalg62:
Here Navigation Problem on Gear s

Hi out there

The "play button" become "blue" and i can push it to start navigation, just when i have a bluetooth connection with my note 2.

When the navigation is already started, i can turn the bluetooth off on my Mobile Phone, and the navigation still to works even without the connection.

I think to start the navigation, the gear s is waiting for a bluetooth protocol from the mobile device.

Today i call the Samsung Suppo^rt in Switzerland,

i am waiting………

Regards
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
Many thanks for your update. I also discovered yesterday evening, that if you switch off the bluetooth on the phone after navigation has started, then it carries on working just fine using only the watch! This proves that there is no good reason not to be able to navigate without the phone and that the GPS and compass are working just fine. I think it's a bug.
[Samsung Gear S] lucgalg62:
here App problem

Today i called the Samsumg Support in Switzerland, because i was waiting 3 days for a feed back from one Samsung technician. No body called me back…..!

I have explained ihm again the issue, and after that, he said me, that the Samsung Gear S is a stand alone Phone, but for different functions they need as well to pair with a Samsung compatible Phone…..!!!!

That i explained to him, that i cannot accept this statement and i said that a call center support is not really the samething like a good second level support, and that they don`t know how have to works a customer support !!!
[Samsung Gear S] oleyb:
Without ever pairing my S to a phone the GPS works fine standalone.

After first unlocking it, it refused to lock onto GPS, but after a reboot it's now working fine.
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
Yes, the theory is that its not the pairing with a phone that "breaks" the navigation from working, but the firmware update that anyone who has paired with a phone is presented with. If you have it standalone, I believe you cannot update the firmware.
[Samsung Gear S] lentini.andre@gmail.com:
Brazil

Srs, I am from brazil and I am having the same problem. My GPS does not not work. I tried all the possibilities and without any success. I was wondering in process samsung or require my money devolution, refunding. If any knows about this ISSUE or OMISSION pls let me know.
[Samsung Gear S] joytest:
Hi, try it with the S-Health app.

It works for me now, but ONLY on the S-health app. I have not tried Nike+, but most people here say GPS works without a phone.

Here Navigator needs bluetooth to the phone, and the same has been reported by users in Malaysia as well.

I suspect it may be due to ROM version.
[Samsung Gear S] beagle1974:
It defiantly works without being connected to the phone..when using the s health app it actually says waiting for location being you start you workout..what I found with the Nike app it let's you start your workout before finding your location then a couple minutes in the green light comes on top right hand corner and GPS fix is acquired .
[Samsung Gear S] lentini.andre@gmail.com:
Still not working

Hey Guys

Sorry about this notice, but do not work with S HEALTH too.

He stay "receiving location" during 15 minutes and nothing happened.

Without any ERROR message. Nothing Only.

FOR ME It is not working,

1 -S HEALTH

2-FIND MY CAR

3-WEATHER

4-NIKE+

5-HERE FOR GEAR (navigator)

I am really disappointed with samsung . The last chance that i am waiting for it, is samsung sayind that this is a bug and will fix it faster .
[Samsung Gear S] foxbat121:
Sounds to me you have a hardware problem, not software bug that is talked about in this thread.

To clarify:

1. You didn't have it connected via BT to your phone --- if current BT connected, the watch will use phone's GPS instead to save bettery on watch.

2. You do have mobile data enabled, right? --- with mobile data connection, it helps to lock on satellites much faster than without, we are talking about 20 seconds vs many minutes.

3. You are outside with a clear view of sky? Preferably stationary. GPS satellites need clear view of sky to have best signal. If you are moving around, it makes even harder to get a lock.

4. GPS/location is enabled on your watch. It can be set/unset in settings of the watch.

If all above is true, you have a hardware problem with the GPS on your watch.
[Samsung Gear S] dpeagle:
for people having trouble acquiring a gps signal, make sure you are outside. i have heard that the GS may for some have trouble indoors.
[Samsung Gear S] lentini.andre@gmail.com:
Clarifying some points

Return to clarify some points.

I was in a big distance (5 miles) of my houve and for my surprise some new things happened .

1- I opened the S HEALTH to test, and it was working

2- in this moment I tried the WEATHER and it was working too.

3- tried the FIND MY CAR and worked too.

4- HERE NAVIGATOR still not working.

I didn't do nothing in the configuration.

About your questions.

I tried all the steps that you said yesterday and nothing happened.

I have data enabled in my phone

The good notice is that , yes i agree tis working , Only ITEM 4 not.

The bad notice stops to work without any configuration changed.

I will move again at the location that it worked to see if is the GPS location the problem and I will let you know.

Thanks in advance
[Samsung Gear S] foxbat121:
It is possible that your mobile provider doesn't provide network GPS assistance to speed up the satellite lock. In that case, you will need spend a few minutes outsideto get a location lock. Here map typically gives up before that. I had the same issue when I don't have mobile data enabled and using wifi.

Typically, after you get a first satellite lock, subsequent locks will be faster as long as you don't move too far away as GPS caches the previous results.
[Samsung Gear S] joytest:
lentini, your experience is similar to mine. I tried many ways for about 3 weeks and was about to visit the service center. Then one day it worked......

However, Here DOES NOT WORK.

All my phones (I have 5 Androids at home) work properly with GPS except the Gear S.

I don't know if A-GPS has anything to do with it, if my H+ devices all work with GPS at the same location but Gear S doesn't.

As I posted earlier, I suspect it's some kind of protocol message that Here expects coming from Android, not Tizen, before it says "Signal OK".

Samsung has to fix this.

There's another poster in the "One week with Gear S" thread saying that notifications in Tizen are some kind of new API, so this could be a similar case for Here.
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
If Nike, Weather and S Health all work fine, but Here doesn't then obviously its a bug with Here. I went for a run (meh, fast walk!) with the Nike application running standalone and when I got back home, I could see on that it had correctly mapped out the route I walked just fine. So there is nothing fundamentally wrong with GPS on the watch. I agree it does sometimes take a while to get an initial fix and I bet there will be optimisations for that.

But with Here, it DOES get a fix for me and it shows a green circle with my address. Also if I press the map button in the top right corner, it shows it has a lock with a green circle and has my correct position. I can then search for a destination no problem. It is just the "Play" button to start navigation is grey instead of blue. I think this is a firmware issue introduced with NJ7 or NJA firmwares. There is an NK? set of firmware just starting to roll out (Romania being first)

Some people who have never connected their watch to the phone have an older firmware that seems to work....
[Samsung Gear S] lucgalg62:
Hi

I get today an answer from the official Samsung Support in Switzerland (in German):

Vielen Dank, dass Sie SAMSUNG Electronics Switzerland kontaktiert haben.

Gerne unterstützen wir Sie bei Ihrer Anfrage bezüglich Ihrer Samsung Gear S.

Wie wir Ihnen bereits mitgeteilt haben, ist eine Bluetooth-Kopplung zu einem kompatiblen Gerät notwendig, damit die Navigation gestartet werden kann.

Wir haben Ihren Vorschlag an unsere Entwicklungsabteilung weitergeleitet. Bitte haben Sie jedoch Verständnis, dass wir Ihnen nicht versprechen können, ob und wann Ihr Vorschlag umgesetzt wird.

Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir jederzeit für Sie zur Verfügung.

Danke, dass Sie SAMSUNG gewählt haben.

Samsung Electronics Switzerland GmbH

English: to start navigate, the gear s needs to have a bluetooth connection with a compatible samsung phone.

We forward your suggestion to our development team, but please you can understand, that we cannot pro mess you that and when they are going to implement your proposal

This was the official statement from samsung switzerland.
[Samsung Gear S] lentini.andre@gmail.com:
I disagree - I have update about this case

I disagree,

Todas a I was in another place in my city.

I test the:

S HEALTH -worked

FIND MY CAR - worked

HERE NAVIGON - works for the first time, with a very good precision.

So, my sugestion about this case is.

The GPS hardware for this clock is extremely weak.

Remember that all of them above worked in stand alone mode. Without cel phone connected.
[Samsung Gear S] foxbat121:
I think those of you talked to Samsung forgot to mention the key aspect of it to them: even if the phone is paired with a phone, the Here map won't start navigation unless it is connected via BT. But Gear S does also support Remote Connection via cell network to the phone and Here map doesn't allow navigation on that mode. It is not about standalone vs pair. It is about complete break down of Here map app.
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
Some purchasers have managed to get Here working if they have NEVER paired it with a phone so it's still on the original firmware. In other words out of the box, it seems to be working.

But the first thing I did was pair with a phone and then it updated the firmware.

I think its the firmware update that has broken it.
[Samsung Gear S] Duke_of_EarlGrey:
Which model are you using? I can turn the phone off completely, no paired connection whatsoever and the Here Map and Navigation work. You will need a wifi connection to acquire the maps though.
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
The map download is optional. If you don't do it, it just pulls the maps via live data connection anyway.

The issue is that while the GPS gets a lock, and you do a route search, and it comes up with a route, that the "Play" button is grey instead of blue so you can't start it. People have even found that if you start with the Bluetooth connection to the phone and then suddenly switch off the Bluetooth, the watch carries on, on its own using its built in GPS!

What firmware are you running on your watch? The issue is believed to be in NJ7 and NJA
[Samsung Gear S] Duke_of_EarlGrey:
Watch Return

I have spoken with T-mobile several times since purchasing regarding the lack of functionality. If you ask to speak with a supervisor in the retention department you may inform them of the device's inability to perform as advertised. My account is notated for them to follow up with me one last time (next week) and if I choose to return the device they will waive the $50

restocking fee. Hope this helps.
[Samsung Gear S] lucgalg62:
Firmware Gear s

Hi

The firmware on my gear s is r750xxu1bnj7

The gps works with all apps

I have problems:mad: just with Here. To start the navigation needs a bluetooth connection with the phone
[Samsung Gear S] sbrownla:
Just to say it again. Here Navigation is the only navigation app that does not seem to work without a tethered phone.

Taking it back will not change the way Here works. It isn't likely a defective device that is the problem it is the Here app.
[Samsung Gear S] brainkiller2000:
Hi folks,

my Gear S works fine with GPS and Here (without mobile phone).

I downloadet some maps to the Gear S - so it is faster and i need no network.

I only have activated the following connections:

- Mobile Network: Mobile Datatransfer (always on)

- Location: Only GPS

Versions:

- Gear S: SM-R750

Firmware Version: R750XXU1BN7J

- Here: 1.0.46

Best Regards

BK
[Samsung Gear S] foxbat121:
To illustrate what the problem with HERE app, I have two screenshots blow:

First one is with BT connection to the phone. The second one is without BT connection (either Connected Remotely or Standalone). Notice the play button on the bottom is grayed out.

Here version 1.0.46

Phone firmware version R750AUCU1ANJ7 (AT&T)
[Samsung Gear S] sbrownla:
GPS works in every other app I have tried it in EXCEPT for Navigation w/ Here Maps. That is a Here issue that they really need to fix, it is how they wrote it.

There are other navigation apps but they aren't as established, and the GPS and navigation does work without being tethered to a phone.

I'm not sure why Here decided not to allow independent GPS navigation, or they just haven't updated it. Have to ask them.
[Samsung Gear S] brainkiller2000:
Hi Folks. A new version of Here Maps (1.1.19) is out. Maybe it works now. Not tested yet. Greetings BK.
[Samsung Gear S] PichaLatigo:
Does Endomondo app already work standalone or it still needs phone's Gps as in Gear2?
[Samsung Gear S] jonstatt:
Oh man...this is rediculous. I installed this update. I got all excited when I can now see the Blue Play button standalone....but when you press it, you just get a message saying "Pair with phone for live guidance". So it seems they have intentionally and perhaps permanently taken this feature away.
[Samsung Gear S] ophidion:
Me too .. Here doesn't use gear-s GPS on my device.

that's why I landed here ... On my gear-s, the HERE app doesn't use gear-s GPS. It mandates gear to be bluetooth connected to the phone then it uses the phone GPS. Is it a bug that HERE app developpers didn't make use of gear-s GPS or I can't run it properly??
[Samsung Gear S] foxbat121:
You can use the watch's GPS. You just can't navigate with it without BT connect to the phone. From the looks of it (the recently update), it is not a bug but deliberate action by Here team. My guess is probably due to licensing restrictions, or how much Samsung paid them to put Here map on Gear S.
[Samsung Gear S] Notmyusualid:
GPS does work, and it functions without an attached phone. (but with caveats)

I bought this device to track my runs, and to carry one-less phone with me, as I have put my UK sim in it, whilst at my winter home.

However, on the 9th, I ran my local park here in Phuket. I always suspected it was a 3km loop circuit, Nike Running app confirmed 2.87km. OK, I thought.

It didn't sync for 3 days... I had to updated just about everything on my phone before it worked. I'm one of those users who is unable to withstand the daily prompts to update some un-used / unknown app on my phone, so auto updates & prompts are completely off. Anyway, it finally synced, but I wish Nike would stick their Facebook prompts in some back part of their body. No way to tell it to never prompt for FB. I never use FB, and become increasingly annoyed at every game / website / forum / phone / person - trying to get me on it.

ANYWAY, I ran yesterday, SAME ROUTE, ran it HARDER (for sure, it was confirmed by the shorter time), and apparently it was only 2.70km?!? So, I 'ran my fastest mile' it told me, but the 9th has the 'fastest kilometer'? Really? And what about the 170m difference? OK, I kept tight, straight paths through the course, but 170m? From a GPS device? Hmm, I don't think so.

So lots of issues here.

I'll run the same course all this coming week, and possibly return it for a refund if the GPS is still woefully inaccurate.

Glad I kept my receipt.

Me.

etc...