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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
Strangely enough The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 has a 5.0 Lollipop leak already yet all we know for the Droid Turbo is that it's getting lollipop? No leaked image or info (Possible Date maybe)? This is a bit surprising considering how slow Samsung usually is when it comes to releasing updates for the latest Android OS to their devices. Though I will give it to Motorola for have most of their newer devices updated to Lollipop already where as Samsung has no OFFICIALLY lollipop updated devices......yet. Still not seeing the update or having a Official date fir release yet for the Turbo is a bit disappointing. I'm still keeping the phone though because even on KitKat it's a beast of a phone and can go toe-to-toe with some Lollipop devices. Lollipop would only make it better. Still patiently waiting Motorola....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Moto keeps leaks to a minimum, unlike Samsung.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
Understood but could at least have a possible release date by now. I'm not complaining because as I previously stated this phone is a beast as it is.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Well technically you are complaining when you keep bringing up about a release date. I rather not know when it's released than know and be disappointed that they don't keep that date. Also its not a motorola issue its a verizon issue. Motorola already released the update. Verizon does their part and making sure it will work fine on their network.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Problem is, it doesn't use the contextual low powered core that Active Display does.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
If it seems like I'm complaining, my sincerest apologies. While thinking about the update I didn't factor in Verizon like I would normally. Thanks for the correction and again sorry if it seemed like I was complaining, that truly was not my intention.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Moto doesn't do that either. Only warning you ever get are soaks.

Guess you cannot miss targets if nobody knows them :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
I can never get myself to use active display. I too have it turned off. I see it as a security issue.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
You can use it with pattern or pin, and just set it to not show details with the notifications. In that respect its like noled, but better on battery.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
That part I'm aware of as I was part of the soak test for the VoLTE. Im assuming it's safe to say that now that the update is public. Thanks for the reminder.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
how so I been looking to get this to work like that?

Update: I found it thanks
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Well, the obvious one is setting the screen lock.

Then under Moto Assist, check More Privacy under Display.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dan-O 2014:
.androidcentral.com/lollipop-update-galaxy-s5-now-live-more-european-territories
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
What is your point?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dan-O 2014:
Just saying that it's getting around more. Jeez. Everyone so grumpy around here. Santa musta handed out a lot of coal.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I'm not grumpy at all. Just not interested in international S5 news. Those aren't hindered by carriers, by the way.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dan-O 2014:
My bad. Just wanted to join the conversation.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Lets talk about the Turbo then :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dan-O 2014:
I love it. I agree with some others that lolli prolly won't be earth shattering, but still check for the update almost daily.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I'd be shocked if its later than next month. I mostly want it just to be rid of dalvik.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dan-O 2014:
I'm not very sure with what dalvik means to me but it seems that the change is exciting to you all that are familiar, so cool cool cool. Smart Lock, trusted places will be nice for me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RNB32:
You can already use ART, there is an option in Developer Options.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Art is very buggy on kitkat
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It is broken, and doesn't work half as well as Lollipop.

As a developer, I reboot a lot. I don't have time to wait 15 minutes per reboot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mfun89:
Wasnt one of motorolas promises when they launched the phone that we would have lollipop before the end of the year? Did they give up on that or what?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
If you can find a single official word on that, we can take it to them.

Unfortunately, I think you will find its a rumor that evolved into a "fact".
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Pretty sure the end of the year thing was for VoLTE and also from Verizon which has already dropped. I doubt you'll hear any guarantee from Motorola as they don't drop the upgrade. It will come from Verizon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] daweim0:
Since when did we expect verizon to get software updates out on time? I would love it if they did, but I have yet to witness it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Really. Never witnessed it? Been hiding under a rock?

Maxx beat Moto X to 4.4.4

VZW Moto X beat everyone else to Kitkat

VZW Moto X (2014) beat several Nexus devices to Lollipop

I believe the VZW S5 also saw an update before its brethren as well

So you can no longer be certain that Verizon is slow.

Folks: Get a grip. It came out a month ago and Google just recently fixed a major memory leak that isn't even in 5.0.2 yet. I'll take the update with that in it if it means I just need to wait a bit longer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
Android Police on that memory leak....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
They did say the VoLTE update would be out by the end if the year and I've had it for a few weeks now. I haven't heard any promises for lollipop, just that the turbo would get it. I'm sure it will. . . . .
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mikeluscher159:
I'd rather wait for .0.2 or .0.3, do it properly or don't bother.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cstone1991:
Agreed, I'm excited to play with Lollipop on this beast, but I'd rather wait and have the experience be a good one. I'm fine with flashing experimental Roms for a day or 2, but without the ability to flash other Roms the novelty of running a semi working Rom would wear out fast. Since it seems that BL unlock or even root are extremely unlikely to happen after we get LP they are just giving devs a better chance to get it first by waiting to release it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
Any news about Lollipop? When Motorola said "soon," I thought it'd be weeks, not months.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Hearing people, you would think lollipop came out last summer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sethariah:
You can run ART with 4.4.4 if you want. I currently am on my turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Unfortunately, it looks like you skipped over our entire conversation about how broken it is on the Turbo and how much better it works on Lollipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sethariah:
'tis true, I did. That said, it seems to be a touch better than dalvik.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
As an app developer, I reboot at times. I can't have 10-15 minutes of downtime per reboot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
How many apps are not compatible with L.??? and will crash or not work properly, with other phones this is already happening I don' want 5 if a single of my primary apps will crash.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
You'll have to try them out for yourself or contact the developer of each one that you wish to use.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Character Zero:
I wonder if they are waiting for Google to bake in VoLTE. I assume they want the Nexus 6 to have it. And going forward it has to be a standard feature for thier phones so it would be a pain to have to take the Android release and then add VoLTE every time for every device. Or maybe its up to the vendor since the toggle seems to be in a different section of Settings for th various supported devices.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
If I was to install 5, I don't think I can uninstalled it, if for example is not compatible with Netflix or Slingplayer which I use a lot and it is already known to have caused problems in other phones with 5. I don't want to play guinea pig, I will keep 4.4.4 until I am certain my favorite apps will work, whatever 5 may offer is not better than potentially losing the use of my favorite apps. I hope when 5 is released to Turbo a list of incompatible apps will be compiled and I can decide from that info if 5 is for me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
I continually read that some apps aren't compatible but the last time I ran ART all my apps worked fine. There's no list of apps so if you want to know switch over to ART and test all your apps. That'll give you a good idea.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Art in kitkat is in beta. It has known issues. More than likely the apps you used have already been updated. There are still many that haven't.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
This might work, worth a try I suppose.

Looking in the changelogs of the apps as they update them might yield insight as to when/if they've been updated to be compatible with Lollipop.Most, if not all, will eventually.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I doubt it. VoLTE packages have been available since ICS (IMS Framework ring a bell?). Past that, its the radios and the network that handles it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Character Zero:
Well I guess stock Android still needs the Setting toggle. But it seems the various phone updates for VoLTE have been a bit more than just a toggle. Whatever that is probably still needs to be put into stock Android. Just a guess. It was odd the Moto X update to L didn't have VoLTE. And I was thinking how the Turbo L update would have to have VoLTE, so I thought maybe that was holding things up.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Radios were the big change, then you had apps updates. Android itself was not the target for VoLTE updating (the settings toggle is just a boolean). Android has been VoLTE ready for quite some time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] tonystarkd:
I'm in the minority, but lollipop looks terrible. Between the lock screen notifications, drop-down notifications, and the setting app, I don't want it. I welcome the performance upgrades, but that's it. I love the black background and simple white text/icons of Kit Kat, especially with an AMOLED screen where it literally saves battery. I'll be sure to turn down the update until we have bootloader unlock or root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
Has anyone seen this.

https://plus.google.com/107000963121062991478/posts/eYw5H6m9EZm

Any credibility to this?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
Well it is Motorola's official Droid Instagram page. Whether or not the statement made by whoever runs that page is true, I dunno.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
No its not.

At best it is Verizon's account and getting info from a social media lackey is not indifferent than taking the word of a csr as to when an ota will be out.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
https://twitter.com/droidlanding/status/537297170136064001
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
That too, is Verizon owned. Again, the people behind those accounts are not in a position to know anything about otas.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] krabman:
If I owned a Turbo I would be watching the Maxx, realistically the clock doesn't even start until the same hardware that doesn't have to go through Verizon Q&A gets its update. After that its just a matter of time. Verizon time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Why?

We have seen Verizon release updates before others.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie11:
No offense intended to anyone but what difference does it make when Lollipop MIGHT be released ? When it ACTUALLY is released if you just jump on it and install it and then find out that it messes up one or several apps that are very important to you then what will you do? I believe the odds are better than 50% that it will mess up an app. that might be important to most people. Patience is a virtue. :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] donsmith1964:
Lollipop does not even measure on the latest Google usage stats. The fact that there are reports of non nexus phones running it (Samsung, HTC) does not mean people are actually getting it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
Here's the latest news on Google+ https://plus.google.com/110587026141482969464/posts/cSmnePt6zpP
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] krabman:
I was going to post a link to the exact same thing posted just before, Verizon must get it from motorola before they can begin their own validation. Certainly Verizon is already working with an earlier version of it but they will have to get the release version from Moto before their own notoriously rigorous testing can conclude with a following push based on that. When I read your stuff I think you like to naysay just for the fun of it sometimes. Nothing I've said here is any secret and you know it as well as I do. If I'm a Turbo owner I start getting excited when the Maxx gets updated. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Senior dev from motorola said Lollipop have much bugs and because of that takes more time, today 5.0.2 is soak test for some moto devices.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Juliann826:
Motorola: Lollipop update coming to 2014 and 2013 phones really soon from Android Central
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
This is old news. It was posted before. thanks though
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] krabman:
5.02 is pushing out to US 14 Moto Gs, interesting if your belief is that they may be taking the Turbo/Maxx directly to that update as some have speculated.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Support from motorola Brazil said will be soon, i think 10 february, because first updates comes 10 december, now 11 january more devices.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Interesting logic to determine day it will drop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] my2cents:
Anyone get a soak test invitation?

http://autoomobile.com/news/motorola-droid-turbo-lollipop-update-happening-real-soon/10014404/

http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/01/21/motorola-droid-turbo-lollipop-update-news/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
No. That site has been quoted for making that claim at the end of last year.

Its still a load of crap. The sooner that site dies, the better.

I guess if they think that they keep posting it, they will eventually be right.

http://autoomobile.com/news/motorola-droid-turbo-lollipop-update-going-to-happen-soon/10013287/

My advice is to not provide traffic to that scum site.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] technoman14:
It generally that way because of the security
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Mattish13:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/01/28/droid-turbo-soak-test-incoming-is-it-lollipop-time/

sent from my droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
I am about 75% fairly certain its not lollipop. Its sounds and looks like a fix for the advance calling
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
I think this will Lollipop, because base na of moto here in Brazil already receive 5.0.2 (g1,g2 and x2)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Yea. I'm willing to bet its advanced calling bug fixes and maybe a couple updated apps or two. Hopefully the camera is one!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] nozzleman_85:
The camera and gallery have recently been updated... Among other moto apps..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Yeah, but not for the Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
I would be OK with the that if so. Yeah I want lollipop but I want to use data and talk more...with out the call sounding like garbage.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
As much as I would love to have Lollipop, and would be disappointed if it isn't, I don't think it is.

I really want it though, I played with it on my old Galaxy S3 with Cm 12, and it was awesome, so I can't wait to see how well my Turbo performs.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] letsief:
I also suspect this isn't going to be Lollipop. We just haven't seen enough Lollipop updates to the Moto X lineup to have a good reason to think we'd be getting it now. This is probably just Advanced Voice fixes, maybe with a few other little tweaks here and there. Maybe its basically the equivalent updates to what was recently done on 2013 Droid lineup.

The worst part about this is that it suggests Lollipop isn't happening anytime soon. If Lollipop was imminent- say, in the next couple months- they might have just rolled these fixes into the Lollipop update. That would let them avoid two separate time-consuming approval processes.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
I think these updates are better not to be included in the lollipop update. if i recall these updates are for Advance calling which is only a feature of verizon. I think both verizon and moto want these to be up and running well and installed before any other major update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] terroh8er:
Why would people suspect it isn't lollipop? Its a flagship phone. Of course it's lollipop. The S5 just got it. The HTC One just got it. If Motorola is still beta testing new KitKat builds, then wow. That would look really bad on their part.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Specific questions in the survey pertain to VoLTE.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
s5 havent got it in the states unless the are the google play editions. HTC one hasnt got it in the states. Its not lollipop dude. Just read the article. It keeps bringing up about the advance calling bugs.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] terroh8er:
Regardless of what they were testing, why wouldn't they want people who use advanced features? They want people who will test everything and not just play Angry Birds all day. If Motorola releases a KitKat update, people will get their hopes up and then be pissed. They would be better off not releasing the update at all rather than reminding everyone that their flagship phone still doesn't have the latest version of Android.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wynnded:
It is kinda sad, but I'm still enjoying my phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
They didn't ask if they were advanced users, they didn't even ask if its active on your phone. They asked if its active on your account.

That does not make an advanced user, nor does it imply the user is one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Is this really their "flagship" phone? They've made the Nexus, Moto X, Moto G etc. Why is this one their "flagship" phone? Maybe Verizon's but everyone knows Verizon will release on their terms and don't give a sh!t what anyone thinks. It's really quite a catch these companies get put into. If they don't get it out now people ask how can their "flagship" phone not have it when other phones in other countries do? If they do release it and it has a few bugs these same users will bash them for releasing an unfinished OS.

Either way people are going to complain so their better served doing it however they see fit.

PS. Can you tell I hate the term "flagship"?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
The verizon turbo is a flagship device over the Moto X. and Moto G any day.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] terroh8er:
It's not always true, but it suggests that you are an advanced user for both knowing what Advanced Calling means and taking steps to activate it. We'll see, but I think it's very unlikely that they'll release a KitKat update when 99% of users have no issues and it's right after their engineer told everyone Lollipop was coming soon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
just curious on where u get the stats stating that 99% users have no issues.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Maybe to Verizon but probably not in Moto's eyes. They made it for Verizon just like they made the Nexus for Google. Their "flagship" phone is probably the Moto X.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
Definitely. I went to the Verizon flagship store at the Mall of America and everyyyyyy store phone in there was a Droid Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] terroh8er:
Obviously I made it up, but it's true! The Turbo is remarkably free of problems. It doesn't make sense that Motorola would release an update to fix a problem with Advanced Calling that nobody is talking about. What a disappointment that would be. Anyway, I'm done talking about this. Time will tell.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
I just finished the survey about the email that was sent out and featured in this post and am skeptical about if its lollipop or not. one is that well its super close to February which was when its supposedly to be released for our phones told from the senior developer at motorola. Then again it could just be a soak test to update the device firmware to accept lollipop. yes soak tests in the past have just been minor updates that werent big software but just bugs and patches, for example around late november to december it was a soak test but for Volte and what not yet we all thought it was lollipop. keep your heads up everyone and wish for the best that this time its lolipop.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] reggie14:
Where did you hear that? The Google Plus post from Luciano Carvalho that I saw didn't say anything about February.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] GreaterLesser:
I've seen it too on a few sites. I'll find the links when I can and post them. If I recall correctly I remember seeing something about February 10th or something close to that. I'm sure they were just speculations but they are pretty much the closest thing we have to an actual date.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
I said that because 10th december motorola launch moto x2 Lollipop, 10 january as moto g1 and 2, now 10 february should be maxx(turbo) and moto x1
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I'd say that is unlikely considering moto g updates are still rolling out in places.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
LOL at the person who said Moto X is flagship compared to Droid Turbo /Moto Maxx

The Droid turbo is by specifications the BEST phone you can buy aside from the ascend mate

It also operates flawlessly, i have never experienced any lag almost anywhere. Lollipop will strengthen this claim.

The moto x is a great phone, but NOT a flagship when you set it next to the Droid Turbo (I dont know what motos intentions were this is all opinion)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Flagship isn't defined by best specs alone. It is defined as the product that best represents the company as their top dawg. It is also the product the company stands behind and pushes the most.

The Turbo is not backed by the company as much as the X. So its not right to call it Motorola's flagship.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
Its Verizon's flagship phone. Pay attention guy