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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I wouldn't say coding varies too much from device to device, the user interfaces may need its own setup from the device manufacturers but from my perspective android is pretty "copy and paste" at this point. Its all open source and almost-vanilla devices like Motorola (turbo) should not require much additional coding to work with. Im no professional, and I've never ported or coded any UIs before but I've seen it done by one individual enthusiast in a matter of hours. I'm sure it can be handled by a professional team in a timely manner.

Furthermore. This emphasizes how much we are specifically waiting for Verizon to finish their portion of the release. But to respond to your post I'm amazed at how impatient people are for root. Returning their turbos for insanely older android phones and calling all hope lost for development. I've never in my life seen people returning their phones because it didn't get root within a week of the it coming out.

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] danger2u:
i didn t like Android L too much.

maybe have some interesting things in,but the design is not the best.

i want root to get lost the Verizon apps and use some apps that can t use without root.

and maybe use a different camera too.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
2014 Verizon Moto X receiving soak test. Turbo up next! Maybe......hopefully.......soon?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] volfan22:
I saw that too! Hopefully we're only a couple of weeks away now!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
Maybe my December 1st prediction will come thru

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
Motorola has done a lot of app updates lately. And has added some new ones. Search Motorola on the Play Store. There's one that updates firmware. That was just added a few days ago. This leads me to believe they are prepping for the push
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] browe3:
Which ones are new and which one updates firmware. I looked and couldn't find anything new or that updated firmware.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
My bad, I just looked at the release dates. And they're not new. But for some reason they're just now visible to me. The one that updates the sensor firmware. That one never showed up for me until yesterday. They also updated the camera, Gallery, voice. And something else I think.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I did a little reading around on android central. Users are claiming countless issues with L. It looks like a majority if Verizon users on android central want to wait for google and Verizon to sort out all of L's issues before being pushed to their phones.

It looks like google is fully aware of the issues and aware that users are calling this release of L to be "uncharacteristic" of google.

All this being said there may be a relatively long wait period for 5.0 on our turbos.

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
As much as I really want Lollipop it sounds like waiting will be the better option even if it would hit (gasp) next week.

1) If root/BL exploit is found it will probably be on 4.4.4.

2) Moto X users are complaining of issues

3) Even Nexus owners are complaining about Lollipop performance issues
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshm.1219:
I've had lollipop on my Verizon moto x 2014 for like 4 hours now, seems flawless. I'm sure we'll get it on the turbo soon enough.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I'll take this as good news!

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
Is it normal for my phone to notify me of the 21 21 15 update? Like every couple hours it wants me to update.

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] snake2243:
That depends. When I got my turbo it never bothered me with updating the phone. This is a huge shock considering the fact that most verizon phones I have owned always notify me. I had my phone check for updates by accident. Notifyed me 2x and it has not said anything to me about a update sense. It did not update, I check my version every week and it's still stock.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
Somehow I just don't see the Turbo getting lollipop before December 1st. That's Monday after a long holiday weekend. I doubt a soak test would happen over that holiday and then they roll out OTA. I also think (and have heard) lollipop has been causing issues on all devices that have gotten it. So if that's the case I may not want it right now. Of course if that's the case they wouldn't have rolled out to the Moto X. But I have heard X users reverting back to 4.4.4 because of said issues. Looks like wait until at least next week for soak test.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
So it looks like my findings were wrong. The best guess I have at this point (based on what people have been saying) is that we should be expecting lollipop by the end of this year? Hopefully within the next 3 weeks...

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
I think a least soak test will release until december 15th
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
On December 15th? Or until December 15th?

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] chadness:
You took my words exactly. This is my first non-rooted Android phone, and I haven't missed anything, aside form being able to do a Titanium Backup restore.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
You can do with helium + adb check some links in Google.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] chadness:
Awesome, thanks for the hint! I hadn't even looked for a way to do it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
I think before end of year or I'd be really surprised. I know the app (I don't know what it's called) for the 2013 Moto X and G got updated to prepare them for Lollipop and I'll be damned if they get it first. Also I think if we don't receive it by the 22nd we won't see it until next year with the holidays and all. I've been wrong before and I believe they leaked Jelly Bean for the Razr over Christmas by accident because I downloaded and flashed it Christmas day. So there's that but yeah by the 22nd or next year
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
I think until, here in Brasil moto g and moto x already receiving Lollipop, i made in motorola forum and register for beta program, i hope releases soon.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
How can i register for the Beta if there is one going to be released.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mjc2251:
Register for the Motorola Feedback Network here:

https://forums.motorola.com/hives/3c7b2b591b/summary
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
Can someone tell me what is so impressive with lollipop. it does not seem like anything really special. Are they allowing us to do stuff with our phone more or is it just a new wrapper on the same package. because i cannot find anything all that impresisve of the upgrade everyone is waiting for.

Most i can guess is ART runtime is the defacto, but we have that with 4.4.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Character Zero:
Its ok. Recents is better. The pull down is better too. Otherwise you can get all of the apps already. I am really waiting for the VoLTE update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
Yeah we have art. But its not the default and on 4.4.4 is still beta. Project Volta? Or something like that. Screen pining (I have kids) and its a new wrapper that runs at 60 fps at all times. So smoothness should be more fluid. And....its the latest version. And always want the latest and greatest.. Hence me typing this on.. The latest and greatest lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rhouse1983:
Well good news now is 5.0.1 released which fixes bugs. I bet that is what the turbo will get. So I'm glad they've waited to release anything. No need for fast update until 5.0.1 is ready as far as I'm concerned. #takeyourtimemoto #giveusbugfreelollipop #hopefullysoonthough
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mattlach:
As has been said before, ART is in beta now. With Lollipop it is final. It also can't be enabled on many devices currently. (not sure about our Turbo's, as I haven't tried)

edit:

Just tried. We can enable ART in 4.4.4, BUT to say it isn't ready for primetime yet would be the understatement of the year. Even many of the Included Motorola/Google apps won't run properly. Hopefully this will be resolved with Lollipop, or it will be a rocky upgrade :p

Moving from the existing Dalvik runtime VM setup, to using more precompiled binaries should make all phones more responsive during CPU load, use less RAM for the same tasks, longer battery life, more smooth operation, etc. etc.

So having a stable (non-beta) release of ART be the default, will be rather huge actually.

UI wise, from everything I've seen, Lollipop appears to be a downgrade to me, but one I can live with based on the other improvements.

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And this may be why Lollipop rollout may be taking longer than many would like.

Carriers/OEM's may be reluctant, as they know once they do, they will receive many complaints about non-functional 3rd party apps, so they wait for more apps to become compatible.

App-makers - on the other hand - don't want to expend the effort until absolutely necessary, so they wait to be forced into it, by phones starting to get lollipop upgrades.

Classic catch-22
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I feel with the power and corporate level that carriers have, they would be the the ones leading the speed of the whole process. For small time 3rd party developers to have control and the most influence on the speed of the release of Lollipop just seems unlikely. A large corporation with a deadline will meet that deadline and force developers to step their game up and support Lollipop. That's my 2 cents... Big red letting small time developers bottleneck their company goals and deadlines? Doubt it.

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jasoraso:
ART on 4.4 is different than the ART in 5.0

When you switch to ART in 4.4, it is a beta version of ART. I believe that the ART that is in 5.0 actually has backwards compatibility with Dalvik built in.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Arkasai:
There's very little benefiting Verizon providing us with timely OTA updates. In the end they do it because they have to, or they'd lose customers. OTA updates require resources, development costs (verizon apps,) additional training, more advertising, more people requiring customer service. This all costs money, while generating pretty much zero profit. If there's one thing large corporations hate, it's change.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
I almost fully disagree with this. But everyone has there own opinions. As a previous Verizon, T mobile, and Google employee - this sounds quiet the opposite of the business models that these companies use.... but who am I to say right?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
FTFY, where I could.

A couple things here:

1. Verizon does not have extra development costs on phones due to OTAs. They outsource their apps and in that they need to be up to date for every device, that cost is the same whether it is the RTM version or an update. A large corporation like Verizon will have a contract, which means it costs the same whether they update them or not.

2. Verizon doesn't advertise differently after OTAs. If you consider a minor page addition to their site a cost...well its a lot less than technical support from calls due to bugs.

There is the training, yes. HOWEVER, that was money that had to be spent regardless because of new phones always coming out.

The only real additional cost to Verizon are the software tester paychecks. Even that is usually no additional cost because they use employees that have other duties already. This is the only real cost, and it isn't tangible because the employees are not first and foremost software testers. Incidentally, this also slows down Verizon's testing process considerably.

So in the end, it all ends up canceling out in costs. Outside of bugfixes though, priority isn't on OTAs, it is the service first and new phones second.

Verizon's biggest cost when it comes to customer service is technical support, not OTAs. OTAs aren't even a blip on the accounting radar.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mfun89:
When I spoke with a motorola rep, they said lollipop is coming "soon enough" -_-
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dbornack:
Moto X getting Lollipop on ATT today.. should be soon for us.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
I hope so
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
I may or may not have gotten a soak test invite!!!! *fingers-crossed*........but I'm thinking its going to just be VoLTE (if there is in fact an update)!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Let us know what it changes when you finish the process of accepting it. Thanks! Goodluck
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Sounded like the update (whatever it might be) will be coming pretty fast since they are only accepting an even more limited amount of users for this test. As soon as I get the update I'll let everyone know what it is. As much as I'm hoping for 5.0 I'll be happy with simultaneous data/voice, its a feature I've been missing a lot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshua_helm:
Got mine too!!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mfun89:
How do you sign up for soak test invites?

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How did you sign up to get soak test updates?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dano1282:
Ditto!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dscribe:
Instructions:

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/77d4221775
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshua_helm:
I just registered my Turbo and signed up on the Moto owners forums.... That's all I did lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] distortedloop:
When you register your phone and make an account at Motorola website, select the option to join the Motorola Feedback Network.

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Steve One:
How do you get a chance to participate
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jughead75:
I also may or may not have gotten an email invite.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
I think VoLTE is to minor of an update, probably just pushed out, as we have seen in other thread about Hdvoice. Soak test should hopefully be lollipop.

Sent from my Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
They did a soak for last years Maxx before pushing it but I hope you are right
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] matheus_sc:
Hope comes for moto maxx too
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] andreluisp:
I do hope it comes to Moto Maxx too. I'm already assigned to beta testers in Motorola's forum. I hope this invite people are getting is to Lollipop!! :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
Remember the first rule of fight club?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Its already been published on droidforums. I'd say the cats out of the bag lol

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But just to be safe!!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
So is the soak test being rolled out already? Is it lollipop?

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kingersj1:
I think it is just the invite for the soak test.

Sent from my Turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
seriously people

I did a soak test a year ago and it states not to mention it. Already you guys broke the rules .
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 335Deezl:
The same rule which was in my Droid Maxx soak test email? -

"This is a confidential test under the terms of the Motorola Feedback Network. Do not post any details or information about this on any public sites."

- Loose Lips Sink Ships...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Exactly. This is y most soaked test get canceled because people don't follow simple instructions.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
Alright do me a favor and just stop....just stop

Yes the emails say that and I'm not defending any side when I say this but they are not going to cancel a soak test for that reason nor has that ever happened so please just stop
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Yeah will see
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
And actually it has happened twice to be exact.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshua_helm:
Its says not to mention details..... Everyone knows about the invites though....just chill... Lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Which states email. Which is still detail.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Go start spamming Droidforums. They had an article published as the invites were going out talking about them and what the soak was bringing. If they are allowing that to happen I highly doubt there will be any concern over us discussing our invites
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
Proof??
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshua_helm:
Its just an update...... Not the lottery lmao it'll be fine .....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
There's ur proof
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
Where does it say it was canceled due to the reason you say all I say was it was delayed?? No proof their of anything.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Where does it say it was canceled because people said they got invited to be part of the test? I'm not seeing that anywhere
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
The email to the testers it was canceled. I was supposed to be a tester till a noob brought it up in a public forum . I been doing test in the past. Everyone should know Motorola takes soak test serious.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jweimn:
It was canceled due to a bug with the update it even said that????
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
Do the research. You really think they post it was canceled due to people not following rules. I'm done arguing. But if it gets canceled it be a told ya so.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Nothing in that article you posted was proof.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Actually, yes, I think they would take out a billboard on Times Square so that it wouldn't happen again in the future (if they actually believe we are going to keep out mouths shut)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Stop getting butt-hurt dammit if its canceled then its canceled. patience is key virtue and looks like you have none of it. if motorola wants to cancel the soak test then let them. either way it will be leaked no matter what sooner or later. you cant possibly stop all the curious persons in the public forums.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Would suck if all this talk didn't matter cause it wasn't lollipop hahaha
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Wouldn't be surprised if we are getting VoLTE first but a little birdy tells me we we will have an answer within the next 24 hours
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zathus:
I have a friend that knows the sister of the cook at a Chiles who made steak fajitas for the uncle of the grounds keeper of the guy that lives 2 blocks from this dude who said lollipop will go live 52.2 hours from now. So, fingers crossed!!!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dbornack:
550 posts in 4 months.. sounds about right. Let's get back on track.

Anyone have updated dates on anything? Soaks or otherwise? MotoX got Lolli yesterday or the day before.. hopefully we aren't too far behind.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Griemster1:
From previous soak test is there a general time frame the release the official update if all is well????
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Soaks are from Moto, not carrier.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
From one I was in? Less than 24 hours...LOL.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] STEV307204:
Correct that's why the testers usually sign a waiver of some sort so if there are any bugs they can't go to Verizon and complain. Verizon signs off on any official updates. I believe even Verizon has to approve these soaks as well considering the Turbo is an exclusive flagship device.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
The oddest thing is happening on my phone. So i still currently have 21.21.12 and have occasionally checked the update button every day. It always offers the 21.21.15 update. BUT now Im hitting the update button and its telling me that my phone is up to date, no longer giving me the option to update to 21.21.15

All this being said - ive checked several times and my phone's info still says that im on 21.21.12 - whats going on?

so odd.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
It was most likely pulled in preparation for the next update. It is my understanding that they can only have 1 update per device on the network at any given time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I don't think so unless something changed.

I recall updating a phone some time ago (aunt's s3) and it was a train of udpates, one after another.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] my2cents:
I can confirm. Same thing on my phone. I can no longer update to 15. Still on 12. Interesting...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
You could be right. I'm going off of what a CSR told me a while back and we all know how knowledgeable most of them can be
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnwaug:
Same on my phone. Original firmware up to date?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Truth.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
I'll have some answers shortly!!!!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fallingcat:
Can't wait for that...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Not what we are REALLY hoping for but brought something most have been missing since getting this device. 1 thing I was disappointed in has definitely been improved as well
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] andreluisp:
I was REALLY hoping for Lollipop updated. But it seems it's not.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fallingcat:
I should know that when I saw the size of the update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
You and me both. Patience is not a virtue of mine
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] andreluisp:
Not mine either. Motorola Brazil has started to roll out Lollipop official updates for its Moto devices today, starting with Moto X 2014. Moto Maxx (international version of Droid Turbo) is on the list, but no specific dates for its release yet.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dano1282:
I figured what it was pretty early on...may not be what we hoped..but got part of what we wanted..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kenbrownstone:
Might not got the whole chocolate bar but At least you got a Hershey kiss.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] triber23:
What did it end up being?

Edit: Never mind!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mikera67:
Not in the soak test, checked for update, got it , no lollipop
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
The soak test is the very same as today update. That's all really
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gundabolu SC:
Looking at people it seems even those who havent signed up for the SOAK have got the update maybe, this is a general update everyone gets b4 the actual soak of Lollipop starts... Or i am just expecting too much! :'D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] maduro25:
Downloading it now, I'm not part of the soak test.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
This was released to the soak testers for 24 hours before being released to the public. It was just a short test to insure no major problems.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] KevTN:
I think it was the VoLTE update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] rglebien:
Yep