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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hipsh0t:
So root would be awesome and I understand the work that goes into it.. With that in mind I went into buying this phone and in the say 3 months I've had it (a lot of disabled bloatware and apps I would never use) and I don't even care about root anymore. I keep wifi, LTE, location, and bluetooth on at all times all while streaming music through bluetooth for a few hours and using a moto360. The battery life I have experiencing is awesome and I don't think I have enjoyed a phone more. I took a trip to atlantic city and forgot my charger... The battery started at 100% and made it a little over 42 hours. I was hooked after that... turned off location for that but still...

I also moved to this phone from a One M8 and that already had root available when I purchased it.

The Ballistic Nylon is great too.... No case needed in my opinion
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Fugitive87:
I wish I knew how to even start trying to figure out how to unlock the boot loader or root, but I don't even have the slightest clue where to begin.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] timmyk465:
So there may be a workaround that gets us the same phone with root and unlockedboot loader, but I can't find confirmation for it working anywhere.

it sounds like there is a version of the turbo out there (XT1250) that may or may not have an unlockable bootloader, and may or may not work on Verizon. It is being used by smaller carriers, some of which have deals with Verizon to use their network for out of region CDMA/LTE. I have confirmed that one of these carriers is near me (Thumb Cellular) and has this phone. They also confirmed that it currently runs on Verizon's network if you are their customer and out of the Thumb network.

I just can't find anywhere a for sure confirmation that you can throw in a Verizon SIM and it will work on Verizon's network. Nor can I find the proof that it can be unlocked. I'm following up with Thumb to see if they can provide any more information. Verizon will only tell me that if they don't sell it, it won't work. Has anyone seen or tried the Moto Maxx XT1250 from another carrier?

EDIT: Thumb has gotten back to me and they don't know if you could unlock the bootloader.

EDIT (again): Sorry if this is way off topic. Let me know if I need to delete this post or whatnot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
Yeah, a few people have talked about it, but it would not work for the following reason:

Unlocking the bootloader requires you to grab "unlock data" from the device, (which is the same, regardless of bootloader version) and send it to Motorola. If they reject the unlock data, then there is nothing you can do. If one day Motorola wanted to "flip the switch" and allow the Turbo to be unlocked, they could, and nothing else would need to be done.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] timmyk465:
But do we know for sure that they will reject the unlock data for the XT1250?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
No, but you would need to buy a new phone, as the device will always have the same unlock data. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] timmyk465:
I am thinking about buying the phone. One of the small carriers, Thumb Cellular, who sells it is only 2 hours away from work. I just wanted to see if anyone had any more information before I make the trip.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bowers41:
I'm on one of those carriers, Bluegrass Cellular, here in KY (if you couldn't guess by carrier name) they have agreements with Verizon to share towers, verizon provides the LTE in return for area coverage. I have the Bluegrass version of the phone, Moto Maxx XT1250 but I really don't believe there's a difference other than carrier. Every root I've ever put on my phones in the past has been those posted for the verizon version. I have little knowledge how a root works but based on the past, us smaller carriers just follow verizon roots and exploits and they function properly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
1) The XT1250 bootloader can probably be unlocked. It would depend on whether the carrier has asked Motorola to keep it locked, like Verizon does. It's a carrier request. AT&T did the same thing for the 2013 Moto X (kept the bootloader locked) -- but you can buy the same model made for Rogers (Canada), unlock it and use it on AT&T. :rolleyes:

As you know, one person with the XT1250 who posted in this forum said Motorola did not reject his initial bootloader unlock request. (He didn't go through with it, as he didn't want to invalidate the warranty.) But that was not the carrier you are considering buying from.

2) The bootloader unlock data for the XT1250 could theoretically help someone talented person figure out a hack for the XT1254, as they have the same FCC ID number and are otherwise identical. But might take more than just one XT1250. ;)

3) Also make sure you request the carrier unlock code, just in case if it's locked to that carrier? They have to supply that, if you are paying in full and not on contract. It may not be locked to the carrier, but you need to ask. (My Puerto Rico Moto Maxx XT1225 was locked to Claro, but my Mexico Moto Maxx XT1225 was already unlocked from the factory. The eBay dealer unlocked the Puerto Rico Moto Maxx before shipping it to me.)

4) Make sure you already have a Verizon nano SIM. Verizon will lie to you and tell you the phone won't work on their network, as they don't want people to do this. If you request a new nano sim, they will want details or want to see the phone. Best way is to cut down an already activated micro SIM to nano SIM, and just stick it in -- unless you already have a nano SIM or can get one from a friend.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fascinated512:
I don't have much technical expertise in this topic, but I was able to get my hands on a Turbo prototype....XT1254. Not sure if bootloader is unlocked already and don't know much about it. Anybody have an interest in it? PM for more details....not sure what I want to post here.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
How did you get 1 of them?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fascinated512:
Did some repair work for someone and they offered it as a barter.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
Wow that's a lucky find. Have you tried unlocking the boot loader?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] the_rooter:
This post sounds alot like the verizon employee that just up and disappeared from here after claiming the same thing. Also from your account shows u have only 25 post. Fairly new, and I am sorry i dont believe it unless u have the proof. The person who gave it to you bartered it? Thats alot of money just for someone to give away if it was a prototype.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gundabolu SC:
Having a prototype apparently is not gonna help! [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] said it himself! :D The unlock is more of an electrical one where a fuse is blown, permanently unlocking the device....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fascinated512:
Thanks for the instant doubting. You can also see I've been a member since 2010. Just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't read. This proof enough? Power button is on the back, bottom touch buttons aren't painted on...couple minor differences. I'm not well versed enough to attempt unlocking the bootloader or to check if its already unlocked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gundabolu SC:
REMOVE THE IMAGE!

You are putting the employee to whom the phone is registered to at risk!

There are identification marks on the device......
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fascinated512:
Removed. Guys I'm just wondering if anyone would have a use for it, if it will help out the community.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
When you turn it on, do you notice anything strange? (Anything labeled "test" or something similar?) When you get the chance, I'd like to pull a few partitions from the device. Send me a PM, although I won't be able to respond for a couple hours.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SDTalon:
root yet?

Found this

http://www.how-to-root.club/mp3-0/motorola-droid-turbo-6727.html

Do we have root on the turbo yet?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pugua:
It's fake

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
No no we dont smh..root club lmao
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
Did you quote me by accident?

EDIT: Also, Lol: None of the navigation buttons on the site do anything.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fascinated512:
It boots up normally, nothing weird looking. There are several apps that I'm guessing are built for logging everything and putting it in certain modes for testing, but seems to function fine. Autobrightness is a little messed up...it doesn't dim down when it gets dark. And I can't get Google Now to work for me. Other than that, it's great. Battery life, screen res, speed....everything is awesome.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Brother, It is really simple to check if it is already unlocked. Power down, press and hold volume down, then press and hold power for a second or two and let go of power. It will show you the Bootloader/Fastboot Screen. If it says Bootloader Status 3, it is unlocked. Bootloader Status 0, Locked, but not necessarily permanently.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] razzrmaxx:
I'll put $25 down if you guys get Root, but I'll bet $100 that you guys will never see root lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Razorbacktrack5535:
"Never" is a veeeeery long time :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JohnnyAstro81:
Here is a crazy question and please forgive my rooting ignorance. I am also sorry if this has been asked before in this thread. I have tried to keep up on it as best as I could. Might it be possible to enter the phone's recovery menu and "apply (a rooted) update from sd card"?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fascinated512:
Device is UNLOCKED. Status 1. Software status: MODIFIED.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
No, that won't work. Unless you have Motorola's signing keys.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Especially since I know for a fact somebody has rooted this device, but they are not releasing it (personal consumption only).

No, its not me, and no its not rhcp and his youtube video. So there is hope for root, once someone finds a vulnerability.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
I can respect that, but just out of curiosity, what's the reasoning behind keeping it private?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
I don't know. Im just a lowly app dev/rom modder. I don't pretend to understand what it takes to find vulnerabilities and use them to gain root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lafont28:
It is very possible that the method behind gaining root access is not for the average user. If there is a decent risk of damaging your device in someway I could understand not releasing it to avoid having to deal with any backlash from a rash of $600 paperweights
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
Wouldnt something similar to JuopunutBear's wire trick be able to unlock any device by disrupting the boot sequence? ... as for a reason to keep private? hmm selfishness maybe.. knowing that you are one of the few with an unlocked device. I know for sure that thinking other people may ruin their device is not gonna stop someone from releasing a method and potentially getting paid for it. What happened to the guy with the unlocked test device [MENTION=4732871]r3pwn[/MENTION] ?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
I pulled his bootloader and disassembled it. (The guy before, not this guy, although I'm trying to get his, too). I helped him install twrp and root. It's a "later" engineering model (looks and functions almost exactly like a production device, but has an unlocked bootloader). There were only engineering certificates in the bootloader, at least. A production device would have had production and engineering certificates.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] diabl0w:
I know nearly nothing about phone programming, but based on my limited computer OS knowledge... is it possible to wipe all partitions from a regular device and reinstall with this "engineering" bootloader? Obviously the hardware/software compatability is there. There has to be a way to wipe and format a phone without needing root... QPST?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
Likely not. I am not 100% positive on this, but I believe installing engineering software on a production device will result in a brick.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gundabolu SC:
You cant flash the pulled images on the retail model cuz of the locked bootloader, so not gonna matter i guess! They lose their signature I presume!?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
I would doubt they lose their signature. (No offense, but that doesn't really make any sense.)

I understand that you can't flash anything due to the locked bootloader, but I was discussing the topic theoretically speaking. If/when the bootloader gets unlocked, I would not recommend flashing the engineering firmware, as the results aren't exactly predictable.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
They can be signed with a different key than the one used to sign updates for the production model, which is what I think he meant by "lost its signature." correct me if I'm wrong, though. So technically it hasn't lost its signature, but the one it is using is no longer valid. You're right though engineering firmware would be a bad idea.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
I mean, it *might* work, but what would you gain? Nobody's really tried installing the engineering firmware on any device because they're afraid bad things will happen. For example, Amazon distributed updates to the engineering firmware inside every OTA zip (for the Kindle Fires, at least, not sure what else), but nobody ever wanted to flash them out of fear that they would end up with a perma-brick. I know that a few leaked HTC engineering bootloaders work on the production devices, but I'm willing to bet this doesn't apply to all devices.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ekkoria:
I'm willing to bet it just wouldn't flash because it isn't signed with the same keys as the production model. However if that other engineering model has the keys for the production model in its bootloader... Hoo, boy.

Edit: just realized that doesn't really help lol. Either way I wouldn't flash an engineering model bootloader to my phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
No was on purpose because I actually believed something called root club was useful Info smh
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gundabolu SC:
None taken! This is a discussion and debates are enjoyable... But i am pretty sure that once you dump an image from a partition, it is no longer signed by the original keys, so they cant be flashed on a locked device...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
The header of an image includes the signature so a freshly-unlocked device's partitions will work on a locked device, given that it's possible for you to flash it somehow.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
bootloader unlock is most easily acheived by...

https://plus.google.com/108085959008508785903/posts/XJTRcakq1Ag

sounds a bit more promising than holding our breath that someone is going to

magically crap out unlock. the closer we get to lollipop, the more unlikely it is. security isn't my trade, specialty, or anything I even dabble in. however, if we change the reason it is locked, we stand to actually have an unlock. verizon is keeping unlock from happening. Moto could throw us a bone, but I am 99.9% sure there are too many ramifications for them to just do it. it is sad to see a company's sales bolstered by a product (a855 D1), that company bringing in droves of customers due to said product, then the OEM having to appease said, bettered company. Thia is very likely if we all actively persue it. Call Verizon. Demand bootloader unlock for your off contract moto's. plaster it on twitter. facebook, g+, whereever you can. we are being done a great disservice as are the average android	consumer. unless [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] or someone of similar skill comes up with ssomething before lollipop OTA hits, time is running out. plus, there is no justifiable reason for any off conteact device to be bootloader locked at the behest of the carrier. want to help? medicbeard@gmail.com think it is dumb/pointless? keep "pledging" money to a bounty that shouldn't even exist. in this day and age, we truly have the power to change things via.....THE INTERNET!! so lets quit moping about and turning on each other, amd truly change this once and for all. if you know politicians (my SC Representatives may not be progressive enough to care) utilize them. I went to school for Broadcasting and have a few connections there. Anyone interested? medicbeard@gmail.com if not. keep pledging. someone in the know will finally get greedy once Marshmellow comes out. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
Not to kill your thunder, but asking for money on XDA is prohibited. Unless I misunderstood your post. I have a headache so the second is highly likely.

EDIT: Yup, I misunderstood. Sorry, bro.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Ha ha. Yeah, dude. Not asking for money. Just good old grass-roots action to facilitate a change. I gave an email as to be able to collaborate with those who have different resources than I do. I gave up on the theory that we should hack the boot loader (as it likely will not happen if it hasn't yet) and decided it makes far more sense to change the reason we cannot unlock. Namely, in this case, Verizon. It won't happen overnight. I believe in the old school principal of the customer is always right...

Ultimately, with Google launching an MVNO, the Droid line is the only reason I can see anyone sticking with Verizon IF and only IF the absurd BL unlock policy is changed sooner than later.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
I agree. Verizon's imposed limitations are absurd. This is why I made sure my device (LG G3) had a bootloader unlock/workaround available before purchasing. Otherwise, I would have gone with the m8.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Honestly, man, I did too. the unfortunate aspect being Moto cannot physically replace a dev unit atm, so I have a shiny 64gb Turbo, erroneously sent to me that I didn't ask for. While I wait for a return label to ship it back, I figured I could, mostly for the benefit of the community, try to create some pressure to get a bl unlock as the phone is amazing. at my best attempt to gain bl unlock from moto I was met with their agreement to not bl unlock non-dev edition devices, despite the fact that I already had one on that network. I have sent messages to jcase and samuri trying to grasp at straws for a way to unlock it bc the turbo is *that good* of a phone, and I would love to keep it. Principally, however, I cannot accept a phone that is not bl unlocked and am at a standstill for the moment there. Moto cares. Seriously. Especially the White Glove dept. A couple of g+ posts, moto forums posts, and posts here created a crap-load of attention, and despite their willingness to make it right, the road-block is vzw. even if I get a mystery email/call giving me unlock, I am not going to back off of verizon as their business practices are unacceptable. we are the ones who buy a flagship a year. we are the ones who reccomend devices. (my last visit in a vzw store, I convinced someone who was shopping to buy a 64gb Turbo over the S5 once I acertained he knew nothing about root. I know these products better than most sales people. my reccomendation amongst friends and family carries weight. The thing is, here we are on a website chock full of people whose impact cannot be measured on a sales graph nor algorithim can calculate. we are the person the tech-inept say, " I was thinking about getting _____ phone, what do you think? I am a small part of this. Just look at all the things people here have made and contributed to make everyone's experience better. We are the word of mouth advertising (digitally, mostly) that make or break something. Be it VZW, be it any company. So I feel it is only right to organize and make known the impact we can make, good or bad, despite the fact that it likely will not benefit me directly in the way I would like, as I would live the next 9-12 months happily on an unlocked xt1254. Will that happen in 24 hours or less? Nope. But maybe a week from now,or a month from now, VZW will realize the customer has a right to do whatever they feel compelled to do with a device that is not the product of a subsidy. I pay for service, I buy my phones. There are zero grounds to prevent my device from being unlocked.

#unlockthedroids
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r3pwn:
Dude. Mad speaking skills. Are you a lawyer, by any chance (not looking for one, just asking because you make a pretty valid, undeniable point)?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Ha ha. No, man. I'm actually an EMT by trade, most recently, but at the moment, I am laid off. Irony of it all being the charge port on my XT1080MDEV died. now that I actually have proper time for a bit between jobs and here I sit with a shiny xt1254 that I can't get the grotesque white icons off of, save stock rom. needless to say, it is going back as it is not unlockable. I went to school for Radio and Television Broadcasting. I am an amateur musician and an ameteur fiction writer.. (medic beard on youtube). I have been religiously reading forums and modding phones since the Omnia i910. the A855 changed my life as it was the first bl unlocked phone i owned. I read up on pete alfonso and his undervolted kernels and I was hooked. I ran 1.7 ghz on that tiny TI processor. . i have owned 14 or so Droids since . (6 of which were Bionics 4 of which i only bought to NV edit via Radiocomm to work on straightalk and flip.) They all have been locked and required some sort of hack, bootstrap, or exploit just to use. Enough is enough. The new generation doesnt even have root. I guess I have worn many hats, actually, but lawyer has not been one.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] X_man.:
Wow! Well said!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/create

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wrong link.my apologies. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...e-not-subsized-or-attatched-contract/QfTmsspy
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Yabbakinz:
Not even joking, we need to trend #unlockthedroid
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
I will never buy a phone I can't unlock the bootloader and root.

Verizon isn't the only ones who do this, but they are the most egregious ones. Recently, I mistakenly recommended the AT&T 2013 Moto X (XT1058) to a friend who wanted something similar to the 2011 gen3 Galaxy Nexus I sold her a year ago. To my surprise, LOCKED DOWN bootloader on 4.4.4. :eek: What? (If I could have gotten to it before she accepted the 4.4.4 OS update...) I should have told her to buy the Rogers (Canada) 2013 Moto X (same model number, same FCC ID number!), then used it on AT&T. :rolleyes: Both have LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7, 17, because

it's the SAME phone.

Only the AT&T version of the XT1058 has locked down bootloader.

AT&T asked Motorola to keep the bootloader locked on the 2013 Moto X, Rogers doesn't. WHY? It's not like it's an "exclusive" phone to AT&T! And on 4.4.4 there are no workarounds to a locked bootloader for the 2013 Moto X, while there were a few found for earlier OS version it came installed with.

Point is, locking the bootloader does not increase sales in any way. It can only hurt sales. One day the carriers will realize this.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
#unlockthedroids isn't showing up in google searches...yet.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnbravado:
itis up on twitter