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[Nexus 6  General] Attackcenter:
Especially, those that are using Note 3, Note 4, and Nexus 6 phones. We bought these phones for a desktop experience and that's what we are getting: downloading/streaming backuped blu ray movies, streaming high bandwidth adobe flash enabled live TV via VPNs, downloading files from encrypted ftpservers at top speed, and downloading in general at the fastest speeds. Mostly anything that we are doing on a pc we are also doing on our phones.
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
but we are talking about 300mb/s ! get real please...
[Nexus 6  General] geoff5093:
Right. So if everyone had your mind set, we would still be getting by with 1x connections since "who needs faster speed?". Sure, 300Mbps today seems excessive on a phone, but technology needs to exist for people to create new ideas, in a few years you will look back and say "how did we ever get by with only double digit speeds?"
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
Well, here in the USA with your average monthly plan's 5GB monthly data cap...your 300megabit/second data rate would eat your entire

month's

data allowance in a little under 3 minutes.

Because of the fat-and-happy nature of ISPs being as lazy as can be about improving infrastructure...data caps are not going up, although speeds are for some (most aren't).

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No they won't, least not in the USA anyway. Speeds go up...but with data caps no one can really leverage them. 300megabit/second of throughput exhausts a 5GB monthly data plan in less than 3 minutes.

Heck I'd settle for my carrier to even have 3G coverage in most of my state. NVM 4G. We in the USA handle cellular infrastructure incredibly moronically, and it is paying dividends. Here in the USA we pay the most for internet services, and in return get the worst services for our $$$.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
I think most of you are missing the point of all this. Its not about us sucking down 50 or 300Mbps 24/7, it's about the capacity AVAILABLE to us, and getting that 5-12Mbps more consistently.

With wider radio capacity and backhaul, and the capable device, latency comes down nicely, we get more resource blocks assigned, and overall experience improve. That's what's this is all about.
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
....

No.

You're missing my point. Which is that the radio hardware on our phones is not limiting our connections. Our ISPs and carriers are.

Hell, I don't even GET double-digit LTE speeds in my state capitol yet

. My LTE speeds aren't even up to rated 3G speeds on other carriers. And that has absolutely **** to do with the radio hardware in my phone--that is due to US cellular carriers choosing not to spend much on infrastructure and being fat and happy.

Whether my phone has a 150megabit or 300megabit chipset in it matters not when my cellular LTE and 3G speeds are

1/50th of either figure on the best of days

. And that won't be changing much for probably another 5 years at a minimum.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
I do get double digits all the time, but even that's besides the point. This thread got derailed badly due to pissing contest on who's getting faster speeds and which operator is capable of delivering faster speeds.

This thread is about the baseband chipset inside Nexus 6, which happened to be an older 28nm MDM9625, and not the newer 20nm MDM9635. It means that a few of us that care won't be able to test out and experience the improved IP stack and increased battery efficiency on a Cat 6 device just yet.
[Nexus 6  General] geoff5093:
Carriers are stepping it up. Twice this year Verizon has increased the data cap for the same price, and so has AT&T. In a few years they will be higher, you aren't going to see 2GB as the norm for single line plans forever.

It also depends where you are in the country. Many areas don't even have DSL access, it's just because of how rural some places are. I typically get 40-60Mbps in the city where there is B4.
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
I don't know about derailed. Most of us are saying the radio chip doesn't matter IRL and will not matter IRL, in the USA at least, for the service life of the Nexus 6.

You want to test it out, great. But between caps, and frankly the lack of throughput from just about every remote server on the internet...Cat 4 versus Cat 6 is moot 100% of the time unless all you do is download linux ISOs via torrent protocol or run Speedtest all day long on your phone. And that will continue to be the status quo for a long time (in tech time).
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
It will pass at least 2/3 years before we can globally benefit from constant 200-300mb/s downloads, by the time it will become standard, we will use Nexus 8 or something like that, so no, its not an issue at all.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
That's exactly what I was hoping. To test it out from the efficiency standpoint. And I hope I wasn't alone.

I don't care if in your real life you won't notice the difference. Also, not sure if i care that your service area doesn't have sufficient backhaul in this day and age, and that you're on metered plans. My area has sufficient coverage and capacity and I happened to be on unlimited plans on multiple operators.

So no need to be negative about it. If you're not interested in constructive technical conversation, feel free to move on! There are plenty of XDA threads about metered data, coverage issues and speedtests.
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
The problem is you made your point long ago, .and it seems your beating a dead horse here.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
Yup, it definitely seems that way...
[Nexus 6  General] obsanity:
That argument about data caps and speeds that quickly empty your allowance is debatable. Think about what we're talking about here. Unless you can get sustainable speed from a server, in the real world it doesn't matter what speed you have, all that's going to happen is you'll be able to do things faster than you would have if you had a slower connection. The amount of data would still be the same. That means you can check out that website and watch a YouTube clip and then put your phone away 30 seconds faster than you would normally do. But still, the data downloaded is exactly the same.

So unless you're running speed tests that max out your connection the "too fast" argument isn't relative. Faster is always better.
[Nexus 6  General] ttabbal:
I'd be very interested in the tech side of it. Sadly, the N6 doesn't have the newer modem chip. Even if the speed gains were non-existent with current networks, the battery savings could be significant. With a non-upgradable battery, every mA counts. There are probably small latency gains with a hardware IP stack as well. And on a fast LTE network, latency is more noticeable to most people. Are there any tests of the newer silicon out there?

Sadly, anytime speeds come up, it turns into a pissing contest and whine fest.
[Nexus 6  General] monkeypaws:
I'm curious as to the price difference between the chip already in the nexus 6 and the one youre talking about?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Actually starting yesterday Verizon upped the data allowance on their More Everything plans for the same cost for the user. I got 50% more monthly data for the same money.
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Thank you TMobile! LOL!
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I doubt them giving me 5gb extra data a month had anything to do with TMobile giving their customers 1gb extra data....
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Sure it did....you think VZN suddenly got a conscience? Nawt.
[Nexus 6  General] hotleadsingerguy:
I think a more apt comment would have been "years away from being relevant". There's absolutely no need for Cat6 at this point, and probably won't be for 3-5 years. If anyone is keeping this device for 3-5 years they're doing it wrong, at this point.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
The flaw in that statement is that if you give users faster speeds, they're not politely going to put their phone away 30secs faster than they'd normally do. They'll continue using their phone, complete more tasks, and consume exponentially more data during the same period of time. In other words, if the capacity is there, users will consume it.

But I see what you're trying to say.

Allow me to explain why there is a need in a very simple fashion.

Cat 4 can aggregate 2 component LTE carriers in different frequency bands. The total amount can't exceed 20MHz.

So it could be 5+5, 10+5, or 10+10Mhz.

At the present time in their XLTE markets, Verizon is typically running 10MHz carrier in Band 13 and another 15 or 20MHz carrier in Band 4. This obviously exceeds the total of 20MHz. So if Verizon decides to leverage Carrier Aggregation, your Cat 4 device would not be able to aggregate. It will continue to connect to a single carrier, 10MHz of Band 13 (indoor environment), or 15/20MHz of Band 4 (outdoor environment).

Similarly on AT&T in markets where they can deploy 15MHz Band 2/4, Cat 4 devices will stay attached to a single band.

Cat 6 Devices are capable of utilizing up to 40MHz of aggregated spectrum, so besides attaching to smaller combinations, 10+15, 10+20, 15+15, 15+20, or 20+20MHz is also possible.

So it's not about pissing contest and getting 300Mbps all the time, it's about spreading the smaller load over two separate channels, and therefore getting a more consistent user experience, at a much higher percentage of the time. Kinda like going from Docsis 2 to Docsis 3.0 Wideband cable modems.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Actually no, I think they are doing it because for the whole month of October they tried to push the extra data as an "October special only for 10 bucks extra per month" and it didn't sell well. They were feeling out their current customer base, found out people weren't willing to pay extra than they are now but did want more data. So they made it free. They likely got enough people to buy into adding 10 bucks to their bill that they could stop charging for it.

Also, what I did, was go from $100 for 10gb shared, to the new $100 15gb shared, and then the 10gb shared plan dropped to $80 bucks so I then switched back to that. Same service, I didn't need the extra 5gb, and dropped my monthly bill 20 bucks...
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Methinks VZW et al are in a reactive panic mode to reverse the churn to TMO, which has shifted the competition among plan details like you cite. I'm $70 Unlimited Everything and get great service...I know some areas aren't as lucky.
[Nexus 6  General] obsanity:
Right I realize that may still be the case but I see that as a good thing. Faster speeds allow us getting more things done quicker. I still don't think the user will increase their internet usage so much that they'll hit the cap in 3 minutes. Most people will stick to their normal patterns and just like the fact all they used to do is now done faster.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Yeah if their service was just as good as VZW I'd have switched already. I'm not married to VZW. But I also can handle paying an extra 10 bucks a month for better coverage.

For people that still have VZW unlimited data it's still a better deal because of how TMobile throttles data after so much usage. Verizon recently came out officially and said they weren't going to cap or throttle data for unlimited users.
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Here's hoping TMO uses this new $ windfall to correct their coverage in areas like yours. [emoji2]
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Well it's not just where I live and work. It's everywhere. The service just works everywhere better.
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Hello....2010 calling....
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I am the "phone nerd" at my place of work, lots of professional high income engineers and whatnot. They come to me any time they have a problem with their devices. I can tell you by and large I never get a VZW customer complaining about service. It's always the "other guys". I've had all of them over the years. VZW just beats them in service most of the time, in most places. We have a lot of traveling people and the ones that travel a lot will tell you it's VZW or bust hands down.

The other carriers have stepped up their game. I'll give them that, but VZW had such a large leap on them years back that they are all still playing catch up.
[Nexus 6  General] obsanity:
T-Mobile truly unlimited plan is not throttled no matter how much data you use. And they actually offer it to new customers.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Awesome. I was considering checking them out. Especially if VZW does a locked bootloader on the N6. But we have three phones that are on edge agreements and I doubt they would pay all those off to get our business.
[Nexus 6  General] obsanity:
Actually they will. Visit their store. You got nothing to loose.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
I have both Verizon and T-Mobile service in New York City market. I actually prefer T-Mobile.

VoLTE is at a higher bitrate, it will nicely handoff to UMTS if necessary, the data is faster as they have more deployed capacity-per-subscriber, and the latency is lower. Indoor they offer the next generation WiFi Calling that will actually seamlessly handoff to VoLTE as you're leaving the home.

I understand that Verizon has more coverage nationwide, but I'd never pick a premium wireless operator because of their coverage in areas that I'll never visit.

I'd care about quality of service in the areas that matter to me.

That said, T-Mobile has quite a few opportunities in rural/suburban areas, and it seems that they're actively working on modernizing their 2G footprint and deploying LTE.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I just checked their site. Coverage is abysmal here in my local area. The verizon map clearly reflects my experience which is VZW service is nearly 100% in the same area.

They say they will pay your ETF's if you leave. I am not under any contracts. I will have no ETF's. Only edge device payments due.

It's not worth switching to save 10 bucks to give up coverage.
[Nexus 6  General] obsanity:
I'm not sure how edge device payments work but what happens when you want to leave? I bet you'll have to pay the rest of those phones or worst yet, full price which sounds like ETF to me.

But if coverage is what you want just wait till VZ offers the N6 and just get it on their network. I don't think they'll lock the bootloader.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Edge is breaking the purchase up into 24 payments, zero interest, with ability to pay off the device at will. If you want to leave you have to pay off the devices. But TMobile clearly says turn in your last bill and whatever the ETF is they will pay it up to 350 bucks. My bill wouldn't have an ETF fee. I'd still be stuck paying off devices I couldn't use on TMobile. TMobile says they will also give you credit for your old devices but I'm sure it wouldn't be enough to pay off the phone as they are only around half paid off.

I think you're right about the carrier N6's. I think this time we will get truly unlockable bootloaders across the board. That's why I'm waiting.
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Once you get your N6...pop a TMO. 99 cent SIM in and try it for $3 day or $30 for a month prepaid (100 minutes unlimit text and 5GB LTE)
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
That's actually a really good idea! Thanks!

If I can buy the N6 from VZW and do that this will confirm for me that all the N6 devices are quite the same. Providing Verizon doesn't lock the bootloader, but that's another issue completely...
[Nexus 6  General] JimmyMPR:
Agree !!! :D:D:D
[Nexus 6  General] wideasleep1:
Open Signal and Sensorly Maps will give you a more accurate 'expectation' of coverage , based on real users reports, rather than gratuitous carrier maps. Even if TMO sucks in your area, it's worth discovering it for yourself firsthand. :) Cheers!
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I tried to check both of those sites actually, with mixed results. The opensignal map won't load the heat maps....
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
Yup this thread isn't going anywhere. I think it's either time for mods to clean it up, or I'll just delete it.

This is Qualcomm's internal roadmap, clearly two options for 2014 and Snapdragon 805 solutions.

Fusion 4 is what's in Nexus 6, and US variants of Note 4, G3, etc.

Fusion 4.5 has pretty much been a solution only for Korean market so far.
[Nexus 6  General] androidi10:
Guys, no one answered my question. I can't find any info about M8974A online.

Does anyone know the speed differences between M8974A (Nexus 5) and MDM9625 (Nexus 6) ?
[Nexus 6  General] hotleadsingerguy:
Right, except that my point still stands because there are no active plans at actually utilizing Carrier Aggregation for anyone but AT&T, and even they are still quite a way off. Verizon and T-Mobile are the two that are really thinking about it, but they're probably 2+ years away from getting it done, making it unnecessary in a device released now.

In the UK that's different, since EE has been implementing and deploying the ability to use carrier aggregation around main cities, and are now releasing device capable of utilizing it. The problem? They also consume a good deal more battery. It's akin to the first generation LTE devices, in that the battery will die a good deal quicker than the same device without it.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
That's incorrect as Sprint announced this summer that they'll have 20+20MHz two carrier aggregation deployed in TDD LTE Band 41 by the end of 2014, and that they'll have three carrier aggregation 20+20+20 by the end of 2015. So you're wrong.

Verizon is now slowly refarming PCS so they'll have B13, B4, and B2 available to them when they announce Carrier Aggregation in '15.

T-Mobile also mentioned plans for CA during their earnings call last week.

If you choose to look at it short sighted, then yes only AT&T currently has CA live in some, mostly Ericsson markets. Also being tested in Minneapolis, Alcatel-Lucent market.

Gotta love the negativity in the thread that suppose to talk about the baseband processor in Nexus 6. But I guess I could look at this as a good educational opportunity.
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
Same 150Mbps. Both of them are Cat 4.

Nexus 5 didn't have carrier aggregation enabled.
[Nexus 6  General] subterfugium:
My operator enabled 20MHz+20MHz CA. I was looking at fixit teardown of nexus 6 (since I'm noob I can't provide external links :( ) and noticed that it does have CA capability. But as [MENTION=3701327]milan03[/MENTION] stated, Nexus 6 is not capable over 20MHz total carrier aggregation and I was only able to achieve ~110Mbps downlink speeds with Speedtest app (cat 4, no CA). I did some digging and nexus 6 (Afro-Eurasian version) seem to support LTE bands 7,3,20,1,5,8,9,19,28,41 and supported aggregated combinations are 3+8, 3+5, 5+3, 8+3. My operator here in EU has only 3,7 and 20 bands where bands 3 and 7 are 20MHz so I'm not able to use CA here :( Looking forward for next Cat6 enabled Nexus ...

Just wanted to add this information for future reference!
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
Tell me something; how fast can you actually CONSUME DATA on a cell phone?
[Nexus 6  General] subterfugium:
The few pages I read this thread was about why people need such speeds as LTE offers not to mention LTE Advanced gigabit tputs... By answering your question I'm continuing this never-ending discussion. However, When GPRS came, or even better when 3G was under way with megabit speeds the same conversation was held, where do you need all this speed and data? and on a mobile phone? Well, I try to think these bigger and higher data rates are enablers of something new. First we transmitted ticks and tocks, then text, then audio and nowadays I see people Skyping with their phones. What will people be doing/transmitting with their phones in five years with LTE Cat 6 to 10 mobile devices? I don't know, but I it will be very exciting to find out.

Meanwhile, I would be happy to run iperf thru commercial phone and commercial network and sit still looking at the 300 Mbps tput line on my mobile screen for hours (unlimited/non-capped plan of course). And that's the definition of fun to me :)
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
100mbps is way too much for a phone so.....its ok
[Nexus 6  General] Masterloki666:
Shame on u...... Thats all I have to say about that
[Nexus 6  General] k.s.deviate:
"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home"

1977 - Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC)

Now, sit back and tell me there is no reason to have 100mb/s download speed on a cell phone. [MENTION=4828965]subterfugium[/MENTION] is correct, we have zero idea what is to come.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Because the majority of people (by a long margin) can't even get 100Mbps speeds on a hard connection. The use case isn't there yet. I'm not saying it won't he, or that it should not be invented/persued (whatever term you prefer to use). Just that the lack of it on a phone that 90% of the people who own it will be moving on from in the next two years is not a big deal.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
I am sitting back saying that yes....
[Nexus 6  General] k.s.deviate:
Cool, your entitled to your opinion. But I wouldn't be placing any bets on the subject.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Off topic but wasn't thinking of it.

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Please explain how phones need 100mbps?
[Nexus 6  General] milan03:
I'll just say one thing.

100Mbps isn't your guaranteed speed. It's the available capacity shared between the users at that particular serving cell site at any given point. Running a speedtest allows you to see what's the available bandwidth at that point in time.

If your user device has access to multiple LTE channels, and aggregates them together in the form of Carrier Aggregation, you're more likely to have better end user experience. Similar as with your Docsis 3.0 cable modems. You're pulling the data from multiple channels.

So the purpose is enhanced end user experience, not 150Mbps only for you, everywhere.
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
There isn't now and won't be for a very long time. Very long time.

Between bandwidth usage caps, and ISPs putting EULA clauses into subscriber agreements making it forbidden to run servers on residential connections...there is simply no need for 100megabit to phone for the visible future. And as draconian and moronic as USA ISPs are, it is going to get much worse as the years go on.

Here's your 150megabit/second down connection. BTW, your data cap is 5GB. Beyond that you get throttled to 2G or 3G speeds and you get charged overages.
[Nexus 6  General] _Dennis_:
Yeah, I know how it works. Same as your cable internet connections. Not sure theoretical bandwidth limits on coax but say 1Gbps. That is 1Gbps for entire cable. Same with theoretical caps on wireless, the cap is spread out to the entire group (channel, frequency, aggregate, etc). I think most users wouldn't be able to tell 100Mbps from 50Mbps. Most of what we do on phones just is not going to see that much speed increase.
[Nexus 6  General] k.s.deviate:
Because for people who don't have PC's or laptops their phone is the only thing connecting them to the world and enabling them to communicate with others around the world. Just because we don't "need" it now doesn't mean we won't find something down the road that would require a faster connection. Skyping sucks on a phone, but it wouldn't if we had the ability to stream faster.

And to [MENTION=2406408]skripta[/MENTION] point, why so negative? I'm not in the US and I'm not sure how your providers differ from the ones here in Canada but I have gotten 100mb/s on my laptop and with no throttling don't get charged for overage. Although they will be implementing overage charges starting mid summer.. Boo. But if I had the opportunity to have that speed matched on my phone, I would be ecstatic!

All I'm trying to say is never say never. People doubted every major technological advancement since the proposal that the world was round. (< not technological, but you get the point) Keep an open mind.
[Nexus 6  General] PunishedSnake:
Tethering is not the same as on a phone