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[Galaxy Note 4 General] MattLangley:
So your opinion is fair and good to share... though you stumble onto a few things without basis:

1) Note 4 sales and how they affect samsungs sales aren't in yet, so no one knows. After only 7 days in many markets it was already hitting 4.5 million sales which is looking quite good actually. Keep in mind Samsung sells more phones in the world than anyone, they rely on more than just a couple/few models unlike Apple so you would expect to see Apple sell more with fewer models but Samsung less with more models. With all that said we'll have to wait to see Apple and Samsung sales for sure, no one knows yet, fact.

2) As of the last report we can actually look at Samsung was losing the most market share to Chinese manufacturers, not Apple. Apple grew a little and Samsung lost even less, but Samsung has the market share to lose:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/29/samsung-market-share-drops/

3) There are *many* people happy with the tradeoffs for the Note 4. It's fine you aren't, that's why we have choices. There's a reason most comparisons on the web between the Note 4 and iPhone 6+ give the edge to the Note 4. This is despite what I like to call the "Apple" effect... where they are almost apologetic if they have to say anything bad about it while the Note 4 and samsung products they are almost apologetic if they have to say something nice about it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Willisme1:
I've always taken the mick out of Samsungs 'gimmicky' software whilst I was a Nexus fan, but now that I'm actually using on a day-to-day basis it's pretty clear why the power tradeoff is worth it.

Whats the point in high end hardware if it doesn't have fancy software that can take advantage of it? :)

Sure, a bit of streamlining here and there would be nice but I'd take those occasional stutters anyday for the features TouchWiz brings like S-Note.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] subek:
I'ts true, in my opinion LG G3 had much better UI, in Note 4 I installed Nova Launcher and its much better now but not that good as it was on G3 (great phone BTW).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NoteMaxx:
I'm quite a happy Note 4 user, don't mind the plastic back since metal will affect radio signals.

My previous Xperia T is all plastic but it's nice to hold and resists drops very well. Didn't bother casing that phone at all.

TW is fine, some bloat is still ok, what's not cool is some crap chewing up CPU resources in the background and I don't even

know what's their purpose. My much slower Xperia T uses less % of CPU time (Android System / OS) and I've yet to account for the performance

difference between the 2.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] michsu:
Antutu 5.2 score... snapdragon..seems pretty fast to me..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] michsu:
Antutu attached. . Haha sorry
[Galaxy Note 4 General] an_xda:
QFT... I hate that there is so much background processes that I cannot control on TW... Take away this and battery would be epic!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v3ngence:
This is such a troll thread... Even phone reviewers mentioned that TW on the note 4 is snappy and lagfree, yet you come to the XDA hive mind to tell us our phones lag and we're too stupid to notice?

I'm using nova launcher and the new lollipop material keyboard and the Note 4 just eats it for breakfast... Great battery life and laptop-like performance, I'm happy.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] apprentice:
I have owned a shed load of phones over the past few years (see my signature for a shortlist of my recent ones!) I trial phones for a while before selling them on... with one exception, the Note series. I kept the Note 2 and the Note 3 for a year and that's a long time for me! But when the Note 4 was announced I thought it wouldn't excite me. But how wrong I was.

The Note 4 is absolutely the BEST phone I have ever owned. I just cannot put the thing down! It is stunning, I love the way it looks and feels.

The OP of this topic is really off the mark. Samsung have done an outstanding job.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
How do I get that keyboard? :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Er. Aditya:
look here bro

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] JCM800:
I hate the back firing tin pot speaker so much, i returned my Note 4 am awaiting my refund.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
Hahahaha seriously? What are you using the speaker for? What is so crucial about the speaker that makes everything else about the phone worth ignoring? It could actually NOT have a speaker and I'd still get it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
Really guys it's no secret tw lags but it is the best Samsung phone ever and still plaque with same old issues. Those who say We prefer plastic, what will you say when Samsung launch non plastic phone? Probably S6.

You're not liking plastic phones but are Samsung fans who have no choice.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] frankgreimes:
Good god another of this I'm going to buy a N 6 threads, seriously go ahead and buy it and stop attention seeking posts.

Also I'd rather have a removable back with "plasticy" finish in order to keep a removable battery, instead of a fixed battery and an easy to scratch FIXED metal back. Personally I would prefer a real leather back awesome feeling, taste and of course can easily be replaced.

I'll just use Apex, Nova launcher with great teams, root it get my custom ROMS which will make Android L even better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom-Helge:
Let me make this very clear for you. We likes Polycarbonate (type of plastic) Samsung use in their phones because 1) it makes the phones better to hold, 2) it makes us to have a good grip on the phone, 3) it doesn't make the phone icy cold to hold in cold weathers and 4) it lets us remove the backcover to change battery, MicroSD card and 5) it also allows us to buy a new backcover if the original backcover that comes with the phone gets scratched or damaged and stuffs like that.

We can all agree that metall is a good thing on phones to some points. But looking at the iPhone 6 / 6 Plus is a good example on how we DO NOT want to have a phone. It's slippery and it's a mess to hold with one hand without having the feeling of missing the phone on the floor or ground all day long. And it's way to thin to.

Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is the perfect example on how a phone should be. It should have a metall frame while having a Polycarbonate backcover with the type of felling we have on the backcover now as it lets us have a very good grip on the phone while using the phone with one hand. And it makes it more comfortable to use in colder weather to.

Even though iPhone 6 / 6 Plus looks pretty good with it's metall chassis, it's a very good example on how to not make a phone, because of ergonomics and because of how big risks it is to get the phone to slip out of your hands or to get the phone bended because it's so thin.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] misterzeno:
I feel the same way OP, but let's be honest. ..you posted this in a note 4 thread surprised about the reaponses?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
Why would I buy an s6 if it's got a ****ty build? I just hope the next note isn't ruined by this ridiculously useless unibody metal style. I'd actually prefer a unibody like the Lumia 920 over a metal unibody. However, a much better choice is the one made on the 930 and note4 where the back is plastic.

I haven't found any issues with my note 4 except the insane delay on the recent apps button. I really do hope they fix that soon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
The beauty of Samsung is they make plastic look cheap and ugly. Nokia and htc both also use plastic but atleast the phones look nice and appealing.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
I agree that the Lumia phones often have a nice look. Big bezels draw it back a lot but that's neither here nor there. HTC haven't made anything I like.

Samsung has, though. The s2 was great, the s4 was fine, the note 3 was fine (however the stitching wasn't a good touch), the s5 was just no good (nothing to do worth plastic though), and the note 4 looks great.

I've never cared much for build materials in a phone beyond that it looks good and feels good in hand. What I want is a good design with slim bezels, good feel in hand, good screen, solid build quality etc. That's something I've gotten in the s2, s4, note3 and note4. And even that isn't the biggest deal with the phone.

I'd rather have a note 4 made out of ****ty stuff like unibody metal than any other phone atm, as they simply cannot approach the levels of the note 4 for me, purely feature wise.

However, as a bonus, it looks great and handles really really well.

One problem these days is that people confuse build quality with quality feel. Even professional reviewers can't seem to understand the difference.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jah:
Agree about quality of music on the Note 4 Snapdragon version. Big big part of the Note is the stylus. No one does that better than Samsung. Also the G3 is more compact. I have both and choose the Note If pushed as it has more productivity and security features for business users.

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What is the point of looking good if they lack usable features and poor battery life?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
It might be your eyes or the particular model of phone you were looking at that was off. Samsung Note 4 has a configurable color display and the "Basic" color mode has been tested to be the most accurate colors available on a smartphone. Second, the LG G3 is plagued with an issue called "oversharpening" where sharp lines are emphasized by white lines (like text, for example), and it pretty much causes all text-dominant pages (which are the majority of what you're viewing on a phone) look washed out and kind of crappy.

Also, the audio playback is great compared to the G3. Hooked both up to my $1,500 sound setup and they sound identical - there's no way the G3 is audibly superior in this department. G3 was bad for headphone use because if I bumped the cord, it would skip or pause the track. When I took it into the Sprint store, they said there was nothing wrong with it and it was operating as it should be - which was enough for me to complain to the manager for the Note 4 :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] homer285:
No offense but I think you have said your bit, you've made your point, expressed your opinion and now its time to stop trolling, pretty immature to say the least!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
Personally I've just come back to Samsung because they gave me what I want with the note 4. After note 3 I didn't think I'd buy another Samsung phone. The camera was too slow, it lagged, the ui was bloated and felt inconsistent, and I wasn't a huge fan of the physical design.

Then I played with a note 4 (Exynos version is what we get here) and found that the lag was gone, most of the bloat features had been stripped out of the ui, the camera was fast and surprisingly good, and the new metal frame looked just lovely.

From my point of view Samsung have listened so I'm back with them again. Quite the opposite situation to what you are claiming.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
I disagree im not trolling but presenting my view, experiences and facts. Look note 4 is the best samsung product to date far better then S5 but still it lags, why are samsung fans afraid to admit this or hear it?

I've bought the phone and fortunately i have 14 days to play around with it and if its not my cup of tea i can simply return.

It does have some positives camera is brilliant, colours are vibrant, screen is bright. Side metal is much improved. Ui has much improved. Reduced bloatware. Overall much improved on the note 3.

Still doesn't quite hit the mark with its wide bezels, plastic ugly back cover. TW software, home button. Speakers not loud nor crisp enough.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] torickray:
Which part of it lags? Because I didn't feel any. Touchwiz was lag in previous version. But since note 2, it improved and now note 4. It is totally lag free. Maybe you have a faulty unit or you already had the preoccupied idea that touchwiz is lag. Please show us some proves. or you are just trolling
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Hm yeah, I'd like to know as well how people define lag on this phone, when, and where does it lag. I don't experience lag, but that's to my standards of what I call lag.

To me, if I do something and it takes 1 second or more for the phone to respond, then that's a lag. Anything lower than 1 second, I consider that normal.

Stutter is another thing and I'm sure everyone has very similar perception of what that is like.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
I don't think people are afraid to hear that it lags, you're not breaking any new ground here Copernicus. I just don't experience it myself.

As for plastic back that's a PLUS if anything, in my book. Grippy solid ****.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kinghu:
I appreciate the Note is not for everyone but as a returning customer from iPhone and OPO, here's my take:

1. The back case is not ugly (subjective analysis). It's smooth yet grippy and I personally think it looks fine. I also tend to spend more time looking at the screen.

2. TouchWiz is much better since I last used it on the Note 2. I wouldn't define it as laggy at all now. I've only experienced one or two minor cases which I can say the same for the 5s and OPO. There are also a lot of neat features and handy shortcuts in this TW. I was genuinely pleasantly.

The overall build and materials used really did wow me. I really think it's a genuinely premium looking and feeling device. Asp much better in the flesh than any photos.

Along with the screen, SD card, removable battery and SPen for handwriting, these won me over after a long time pplaying with and deliberating the 6 +.

Samsung won me back, simple as that. But if people prefer a Nexus 6 or 6+, then great. But what's right for you.

Sent from my SM-N9100
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom-Helge:
We (or me) are not afraid to admit that TouchWiz can lag from time to time, but the real issue here isn't that. The real issue here is that you and others here are so blindly focused on the TouchWiz lag that you all are forgetting that pretty much every phones lags at some points. Even the iPhone lags like a bi*ch to from time to time.

So please remember that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
There is lag then their is laaaggg. Try htc one M8 no lag works flawlessly as premuim phone should but just not big enough and camera not good enough.

Lg and samsung lag kings its a toss up who is comes first.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom-Helge:
No, you are wrong. I have tried most high-end smartphones that are on the sale here in Norway. And i find it that most of them lags at some points.

Where one phone can be buttery smooth at one thing, there can be alot of lag for another phone at the same thing. And this thing goes the other way to that the 2nd phone that lags can be buttery smooth over the 1st phone at something where the 1st phone will lag there again. This goes for all phones. It's just random on where phones can lag.

And the fact that you guys are so freaking obsessed over a phone lagging a little is funny, because if you use a TV, Smart-TV, DVD / Blu-Ray player and a computer and so on, they are all lagging at some points to.

So why aren't peoples crying and whining about that?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Why would we care about lag on samsung phone do we sell it? I always hated tw and its lag and i wrote about it alot of time on xda. But on my exynos note 4 it simply doesnt lag. All transition animantion stutters etc totaly gone. I used nexus devices, i used htc one m7 for long time. Im using my note 4 and iphone 6 plus together and your statement is totaly wrong. Touchwiz definetly improved alot it could be using higher ram still cuz its a must for extra features but definetly the lag is gone. All left is slow animations which can be disabled(not laggy just slow but still smooth 60 fps)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] The Divide:
Nothing wrong with the plastic back. I like the fact that they can be changed/swopped. I never see the back anyways as it's always in a spidgien case

On my previous phone (s3), the plastic back was the only part of the phone that tarnished/scratched after 2 years of use. Upon sale, I replaced the back and the phone looked like it did when it was new.

Also, you can bet all these people with aluminium backed phones such as the ipants will end up up well scratched up after a few months.

Very pleased with this phone. Touchwiz lag is minimal, although the recent app button could do with speeding up the problem is so small it's irrelevant.

Perhaps I'm not experiencing lag because I have disabled some apps. Example s-voice

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Any chance of a poll been added to this thread? Otherwise I see little point in any of this. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyways
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Sense use to lag like a ***** - bad, really bad. It was the worst of the OEM overlays performance wise. What sorcery did HTC employ to "fix" it? They took out every feature so that it's basically AOSP in a "pretty" HTC developed wrapper. It doesn't even have something as basic as Awake Stay to keep the screen on when you're looking at it. The last three iterations of Sense removed more and more features, that's one way to minimize lag. I'm a productivity user and buy Samsung phones, especially the Note-series, for the additional features Samsung adds. Like others have said, without resorting to removing features, TW on the Note 4 is startling smooth if not 100% of the time it's pretty close to it.

People who are basic consumption users (web, MMS, e-mail, social, video, gaming, and audio) and are lag obsessed should buy a Nexus 6. If they aren't interested in Samsung's added features they are just wasting resources. But, and it's a big but, if you load up an AOSP device with third party apps to replicate Samsung's features it'll be just as bloated, have just as many background processes running, and all those apps won't be nearly as well integrated.

I seriously wonder how the lag obsessed even find time to do anything with their devices. It appears from postings here all they do is open and close apps, transition between home screens, measure their available RAM, and benchmark their devices. Personally, I'm too busy doing stuff with my devices to even notice a millisecond long delay in a transition or app opening. To each their own.

There's more to a device than fluidity but you'd never know it based on some people's comments. Here's how the latest Nexus device (9) is doing lag wise; at least based on what some XDA'rs are posting. The Nexus 9's forum is not a happy place. It's filled with build quality, QC, battery life, and performance issue discussions. Hope those looking for a high-end lag-free experience on the Nexus 6 don't end up slitting their wrists.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
I have Exynos and have yet to experience this lag of which the OP keeps harping on about. Actually I'm lying, it did lag once, briefly when I was texting and installing an app at the same time. Considering how much the Note 4 brings to the table it's truly a marvel that Samsung have created such a smooth user experience this time around.

OP is either an idiot or a troll. Possibly both. I'd still like to thank them for creating a thread where us who are delighted and amazed by this phone can sound off.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] whatever100:
Just saying, if apple releases a brick with the apple logo on it, it would probably outsell any android phones out there.

Anyway, what you said is purely based on your experience, I don't find it helpful for potential buyers to decide. I don't mind the plastic cover. In fact I love it on my note 3. You know plastic is not cheap material. And yes touchwiz suck's, especially the new design. That is way I am on xda, lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] an_xda:
The only 'lag' I get is when I hit the recent apps button (that is fortunately software that can be optimized). This phone is beast mode.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
He's been around for a while and I think I've seen him a lot in HTC forums. He's not a troll but I'd give you an antagonist and opinionated; failings I suffer too at times. ;)

I

hate

lag discussions. As much as I hate battery life and wireless performance discussions. All three are highly subjective and no two people here have their devices configured the same way for any comparisons to be valid. There hasn't been a device I've owned where there haven't been heated discussions about all three subjects. And they're all equally useless because of the subjectivity and, in some cases, personal biases. But imagine how boring XDA would be if it weren't for threads like this. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
I was sceptical on the first day I got the phone. Especially since the sound wasn't as loud and the antutu score was higher on my OnePlus one. And then I found this http://www.zdnet.com/six-clicks-use...samsung-galaxy-note-4-s-pen-7000034787/#photo. It made me realize that I was comparing tapioca to caviar. The note is the only true phablet. All the other phones just have big screens it's truly in a league of its own.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
The exynos note 4 is probably the fastest smartphone ever made. If you want a fast phone but don't like Samsung stupid software, flash something else.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] naira1:
I don't know if everybody have different expectation but I've been rocking the N910C (Exynos version) for a few hours now and I must say it's a fast phone. The lag if any is minimal.

When I get bored of TW then I'll root the phone. That's the advantage of having such a device. Nexus 6 may also be a pretty fast phone but I went for N4 bcos I wanted the best of both world (IE Samsung stock and ASOP roms) when I need it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] electech13:
I do agree that Samsung needs to listen to its customers more and change some of its longtime ways (ie. TouchWiz and less then premium phone bodies).

They are finally starting to come around on premium phone bodies. Alpha to start and this Note4 is better with metal chassis but still plastic back. I like the Note4 body and don't mind the back but it could be better for sure.

As for need to be plastic to have removable battery? I call total bs! They even did it before! The original Galaxy (S1 you could say), the Captivate.. Still one of my favourite designs of all time especially for a Samsung came with a sweet metal battery back/cover. So what are they talking about, right?

TouchWiz on the Note4 actually is... Ummm... Acceptable for the first time ever. I think it runs good (for TouchWiz standards) because of the horsepower underneath. But I'd love to see it go and is usually reason #1 or #2 why I root and mod my phones.

I think the phone is great and Samsung is still tops but like all manufacturers and flagships, there is ALWAYS some much wanted things missing.

Maybe just maybe one day a manufacturer will say f*ck it and put out a phone with every major wanted feature even if it costs a ton at retail. Or make it a premium model. I'd buy it!

Like on this Note4, amazing nonetheless but many of us expected more.

1. IP67 rating for water resistance

2. FRONT facing stereo speakers.

3. Temperature sensor (outside ambient)

4. USB 3

5. Metal back

6. 5+ MP front camera and phase detection auto focus on main camera.

7. 64 bit chipset? Not a biggie...Yet.. but would take it either way if not only for ability to use MORE RAM. I want 4, 6 or 8Gb's but can only go 3+ on 64 bit.

Does not having these kill it? No way but having some or all would really put it over the top and made it more of a true leap from the Note3..would have made it hands down the best phone around.. But too much to ask for.. For now.. Just can't wait for someone.. Anyone to create a phone with all the major wanted features.. Software wise.. Who cares.. That is what Rooting and modding is for ;) even TouchWiz... I can get rid of it if wanted...

Sent from my *ROOTED* Note 4 SM-N910W8