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[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
^^ fair enough.. but if we are trying to be informative: there is root if you unlock bootloader, and sony do empower you to unlock bootloader; you have returned due to not being willing to lose functionality by losing drm keys if you unlock, not because of lack of root.

and I'm pretty sure nexus exactly the same eg only root through insecure kernel flash after bootloader unlock lol (not really arguing with you, just reserve the right to troll somebody who has jumped ship [emoji12])
[Xperia Z3 General] FudgyBadger:
See the thing is I bought the Z3 intending to get a vanilla version of Android flashed on to it just because I thought the device looks stunning.

I'm not being funny but I really cant see this ever happening for this device.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
yeah it will, sony open source their stuff.. I think it will come down to unlock bootloader or not (especially on lollipop)
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
I'm sure they will manage to unlock it, may not be easy obviously.

Getting S-Off on HTC Butterfly was a chore but it was eventually done.
[Xperia Z3 General] ayamgoreng:
You make me curious, is all Google phone (nexus series) easy to root/develop ?

Nexus 6 size (bigger than note 4) kinda a deal breaker for me.
[Xperia Z3 General] hanano17:
Yes, Nexus phones are easy to root and develop for. Kind of the purpose for them, stock android and easy to develop for.

I am still considering the N6. I have the Z3 and I like it, just want root. Being on T-mobile means it won't be easy, and will become even more difficult once lollipop comes out. If the N6 was a 5.5" device or lower, my mind would be made up already.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
1. Why not buy a D6603 which can be rooted?

2. What's the difference between the stock ROM + a AOSP based launcher like Nova or Apex or even the Google Now launcher and vanilla Android?

At the end of the day, what device you choose to buy is completely up to you, but I get the feeling a lot of people harp on "vanilla android" just for the sake of it.
[Xperia Z3 General] hanano17:
Because we wanted wi-fi calling and band 12. 32gb internal was a nice bonus too. I don't care as much about vanilla as I do root. However I haven't tried other launchers outside google now, but it lags too much. I'm overall fine with sonys stock rom. I just like using xposed and the Z3 needs the sound mod imo, which needs root. Its the Z3 on tmo or N6 for me, as I want band 12 and wi-fi calling more than I want root.
[Xperia Z3 General] Johann_London:
If you stuck around, the problem would have been solved. Exactly the same issue plagued the Z1 with its launch, but Sony sorted it within a month or two.

Have a look at this page:

http://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/unlock-yourboot-loader/

Sony actively supports your ability to flash custom ROMs and so the problem with the camera would be solved with an update.
[Xperia Z3 General] hanano17:
Sure Sony does, but that doesn't mean tmo does. Sony won't fix the ringtone/notification issue....they never did on the Z2, we all used the sound mod. I'll likely stick with the Z3 though and hope for some luck with root on LB into 5.0.
[Xperia Z3 General] theikhaled:
I like this phone so much and it's killing me to use it without root + recovery.

I really do hope to see the root without unlocking bootloader so soon, If you are working on doing this or you know someone please make sure that we do want to see that coming ASAP!. Unlocking it is like a serious risk to me. :(

Any phone without root will suck so bad. :mad:
[Xperia Z3 General] dagrim1:
Root is an addition to any phone, but to say that it would suck without it is utter nonsense... Sony's sw is pretty light, they keep things pretty basic. Of course there are mods and being able to remove certain apps (and change the dpi) would be great, but even without it the z3 is one hell of a phone.

You buy a phone in it's current state, sure you can hope for things, but buying the Z3 in it's early stages you know there will be issues (such as no root in the beginning with a LB, and who knows if ever). The Nexus 6 is another type of device for me, more in the ranges of the Note and for me simply way to big.
[Xperia Z3 General] theikhaled:
I meant by any phone will suck because that u almost can't remove ads from apps or put some files in the sd card and edit them.

the Z3 is a good phone and will be perfect when you have root without losing DRM keys. I'll wait for our hero to make that happen!
[Xperia Z3 General] Jonathan-H:
Sony are awful for custom ROM's and Root etc. Too many features lost due to unlocking bootloader, and there will never be enough or decent enough ROMS to bother.

That said, the phone is perfectly useable without having to root.

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File commander will copy files to SD card allowing you to alter them.
[Xperia Z3 General] jonshipman:
Also any app can save to their Android/data folder on the SDCard. I like FX file explorer so I just keep my files there. But if I need to edit something, I can move it with File Commander ICE.
[Xperia Z3 General] rwesten:
I have a D6603 with LB can i root it already? please tell me how. or did you mean that you can root it with an UB?
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
You can root with UB
[Xperia Z3 General] jayr04:
This why I try to pick a phone that has the best software out of the box and I feel like the Z3 is that phone. Some people choose a phone just because it's easy to root or an abundance of roms/dev support.
[Xperia Z3 General] FudgyBadger:
I'm sorry but this phone is full of Sony apps that you are unable to remove, I bought this phone with the intention of flashing a vanilla android Rom and as this is my first Sony phone I wish I had done more research into Sony's poor root functionality.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
lol.. sony poor root functionality.. What does that even mean..

root it if you need root.

build vanilla android for it if you need that. (sony have released all the required tools)

what it REALLY means you have jumped ship after 3 weeks release because no one else has built you a vanilla rom ~ this amuses me.. and then you complain it is the sonys fault.
[Xperia Z3 General] FudgyBadger:
Sony phones are far more difficult to find root exploits than other phones in without unlocking the bootloader, this is fact.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
have fun on the nexus.. you have to unlock bootloader to get root on nexus by the way lol.. but you apparently have all the facts so would be well aware. thanks for all the amusement in reading your posts.
[Xperia Z3 General] alhadee12:
I like this phone and I'm not a guy that roots phones, due to a really bad experience. I would be interested in the Nexus 6. Still have my N5 as a backup
[Xperia Z3 General] FudgyBadger:
You seem to have misunderstood my posts, I ONLY want root for vanilla android so why would I need to root my nexus? :silly:
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
sry, I forgot your problem isn't lack of root, it is lack of a vanilla rom build for you to flash on a rooted z3.
[Xperia Z3 General] FudgyBadger:
1. Z3 has no root without unlocking bootloader

2. I don't want to unlock bootloader

3. I can get the nexus and not have to loose DRM keys.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
lol.. if you only want vanilla who cares about drm keys and bootloader..
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Incorrect. The with the D6616 you cannot unlock bootloader.

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There is no need to be hostile towards the guy. Kinda immature....

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Because if you lose the DRM keys, you lose camera quality which defeats the purpose of purchasing the phone in the first place.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
thanks champ.. ?

starting a forum thread for a phone you no longer have is "soft trolling" at best and I've been immature enough to bite at the bait..
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Perhaps, although I find it useful as I too am not sure if I will be keeping the phone. Going out of ones way to embarrass someone speaks directly to maturity, but I best watch myself - I don't want to fall into that same trap. :cowboy:
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
and sometimes when having a bad day we take it out on a convenient target... (you may have actually set me straight lol)

yeah, actively tried to annoy another xda'er whuch isnt cool in hindsight.

the irony [MENTION=6058165]FudgyBadger[/MENTION] is that I did the same thing with LG G3.. (except we could root but not unlock).
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Ha! Been there done that! Hope your day improves!! :good:
[Xperia Z3 General] domin8:
Sadly I think I'm going to follow suit. I love the build but enjoy a vanilla android experience. I'll probably return it tomorrow and eat the restocking fee. I think I'll wait for the n6 in a week or two
[Xperia Z3 General] krishna442:
^^lol

-Sony is going down, and I don't wonder why... These are the reasons. I always saw them differently... I didn't knew there were phones that can't get root access..
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
all phones struggle for root access on 4.4.4 - an insecure kernel so that can flash su is what is missing here (without losing drm).

for what it's worth, aosp rom probably not far off as sony have updated their kernel open source to include z3.

to those thinking this is a sony thing, youll find root will be harder and harder to get from now on - it will most likely come down to flashing recovery/kernel that allows su flash ~ unlockable bootloader z3 already at this stage.

and sony would be more supportive and open to dev than pretty much any other company - they publish code and guides for xda (who else does that), they allow bootloader unlocks (carriers sometimes impose obviously) and they update roms pretty quickly (my z ultra got kk day after nexus).

this is an android thing and yes I understand nexus doesn't suffer these "problems" (so I understand it's allure).

{if I can't help posting in this thread I should at least try to be constructive}

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[Xperia Z3 General] krishna442:
Knew Sony is better and supportive, but didn't know that, it was an Android thing...[thanks for clarity]?

I take my words back! ?
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
^^ it's all going very "idevice" when it comes to r/w and root access.. we don't even get full write to our inserted ext sd cards anymore. worrying.. still wouldn't use anything else but worrying none the less..

chainfire in a blog post hasn't even guaranteed ongoing root for nexus ?
[Xperia Z3 General] krishna442:
If there isn't root, we will really stay with kitkat@cm..

And.... oh, root is needed for that too ?

Future ? ?
[Xperia Z3 General] FudgyBadger:
:highfive::good:
[Xperia Z3 General] darkrai:
Try not to let that monster crush your balls when you keep her in your pocket!
[Xperia Z3 General] Jfree3000:
Lol
[Xperia Z3 General] funky0308:
Maybe just a little suggestion...

When we wanted better ROMs and devs in our team (I'm talking about Z2) we created a bounty thread and collected money to buy few devices.

that way we bought three Z2 and believe me that worth every single penny...

now we have root on LB, awesome roms like eXistenZ and great custom kernels like Doom kernel...

It's hard to expect devs to buy Z3 when they already have Z2 and it's insane to expect that someone else will come out and root Xperia...

We all know who are developers for Xperia and which device they have...

So, if you won't try to get devs here, you probably won't have root at all...

Only if devs find a security hole on other device and someone use that to root Z3...

Try to contact few devs and ask for help ..help won't bump into your door by accident...
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
I donated for Z2 even if I never bought it!

Guess why: launch of Z3!

I'm happy to support this initiative and donate.

It's a pity that a well supported device like the Z3 (see recent kernel and AOSP documentation provided by Sony) does not have the development it deserve. Can you name some devs, I can try to contact them.

Inviato dal mio LG-D802 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Xperia Z3 General] funky0308:
You need [NUT], Niaboc79, Envious_Data and if you can get him - chainfire....

Chainfire is creator of supersu and he just rooted Android L on Nexus 9 so I'm sure he can do something like that...

Of course, there's DoomLord as well but he is using methods for unlocked bootloader so that won't help you...

Chainfire also worked on unlocked Nexus but that doesn't mean he can't help...

My suggestion - open bounty thread and try to raise money to achieve root on LB.

That's allowed on XDA and that was the way Z1s users got their LB root...
[Xperia Z3 General] raizdepi:
Yeah, root is a prereq for me. No root is a blocking issue.
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Again, it WILL be able to be rooted - we're just waiting on a Dev/tinkerer to figure out how. You can't unlock the bootloader on some, but you will be able to root all.
[Xperia Z3 General] legend921:
I use to think it was a big deal regarding to getting root access and running Vanilla Android, but nowadays I don't mind not doing those things as much since the overlays that the OEMs add can add some easier functionalities that Vanilla would not have. The WalkMan apps, I prefer to use as my music player and so far this device is probably one of the best made phones that I had used. I like having the glass front and back and it just feels so nice in the hand. I ran the device Naked for a few weeks while waiting for a case and the glass protector to come in and the phone still has no scratches on the glass.

It was a hard decision between getting this and the Nexus 6 but somethings that put it a part was the IP rating, the design, and the size. Once I had this phone in the hand it felt just like the right size since my last phone was the Nokia 1520 and I must say after a while that screen was pretty big for me. Hearing the Nexus 6 being that size turned me off from the phone since I hate taking the phone out of my pocket whe sitting down at times.
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Couldn't agree more. Unlocked bootloader and root just aren't as important as they were a few years ago. I'll root if and when it's available, but it just doesn't feel like I'm missing anything with this awesome device.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
I fully appreciate that AOSP vs OEM is a matter of personal taste. It would be good to have a choice. OK, argument closed!

My big concern in not getting root is backup of apps & their settings/data. Titanium backup is a great tool and it saved my (digital) life! I'm set up for a daily backup that then is transferred to my NAS during the night, i a fully automated way. The password manager I'm using got an update and ERASED all my records!! No way to go back. I simply restored the day before app + app data and saved my life!!

No root backup of apps if far from being as reliable and complete as root solution. See Helium that require to be activated via pc companion, that cannot back up them all (at least a third of my apps are not supported).

Can I ask you guys what is your solution for non root apps backup?

Having said that with Sony I have to settle for a non complete and secure backup solution or loose warranty and decrease phone performance and functionality.

Can't they simply block paid content (e.g. media to be purchased, no brainer they have to protect them and fight piracy) but not decrease phone performance and functionality?

I hope lollipop will close the major gap wit iOS: backup.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
I got on my high horse and told op "if you want aosp, tools exist, make it yourself"...

if I'm going to talk the talk....

(built from source by me)
[Xperia Z3 General] ijeff:
Unless you got the camera working, I'm not impressed. :p
[Xperia Z3 General] cnstarz:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...w-to-root-lollipop-without-a-modified-kernel/
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
z3 aosp lollipop already rootable... (eg yes Ive rooted it)
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Well this work on a D6616? If not, I am also not impressed! ?:p
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
sry, you choosing to purchase (carrier enforced) locked bootloader model outside of my control [emoji12] [emoji12]
[Xperia Z3 General] ShermCraig:
Well, if it's all the same to you, I prefer to go on blaming you. :mad:
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
my point was and still is this "aosp is not sony responsiblity, it is the users" ~ that I am a poor dev doesnt change this :)

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I'm comfortable with that :good:
[Xperia Z3 General] cnstarz:
that's nice, dear. nobody cares about aosp with a degraded camera and no modem.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
I care.. so not nobody ? but thanks for your input ? (and who said I didn't have modem)
[Galaxy Note II Themes and Apps] Shubham87:
[Disclaimer]

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Download from here. Its a free app.

Download and enjoy. ;)
[Galaxy Note II Themes and Apps] maelfilk:
Great :) Which roms for note2 does it support?
[Galaxy Note II Themes and Apps] Azhery:
hmm..cm..omni..pa(i dont know works or not)..
[Galaxy Note II Themes and Apps] Shubham87:
I've tried on Omnirom and a friend of mine tried it on ParanoidAndroid and it worked. So I can confirm it works on these two. The dev claims that it works on CM as well but I haven't tried. You confirm and tell ;)
[Galaxy Note II Themes and Apps] vishalagarwal1286:
It works for Cyanogenmod Rom too...
[Galaxy Note II Themes and Apps] Shubham87:
Awesome! :good:
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewokuk:
Experimenting with modems to try and find a better one and came across something very irritating. It seems after my testing that the number of bars of signal and the signal strength reported in Network Signal Info seem to have no relation what so ever to the 4g data speed you may get.

Earlier I was testing with 4 out of 6 bars of signal, NSI showing 94dbm and something like 60% signal.....and I consistently got speed tests of around 1mbps or less and even that was slow and stuttery. On other occasions with only a 40% signal at 106dbm in NSI I was able to get 22mbps in speed tests. All these tests were done using the same speedtest server as well as subjective testing by running various apps and seeing how quick or slow they were (and the performance of all the apps matched the performance of the download tests). So what the hell is going on? It looks like signal strength has nothing to do with the 4g connection speeds.

Is the signal strength even indicating the strength of the 4g signal or is it merely indicating the strength of the phone signal because that's what it kinda looks like.

I am on EE UK with their 'double speed' 4g (which gives me 97.5mbps download when at home with a perfect signal).
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vndnguyen:
Yes, in fact the signal strength and data speed are different things and they do (most likely) not affect to each other.

By detailed, signal strength is depend on if you are far or near from the mobile tower.

While data speed depend on many other factors: max capability of the network, your subscription with the service provider, and the congestion on the network.

The signal strength will also impact on data speed, but only when you are very far from the tower, when the signal strength is very weak. That may impact the data speed.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewokuk:
Exactly what I was afraid of. This would mean it is not even possible to test how good your signal is (for data) without running endless speed tests (which are going to kill your data usage in no time). There is no other way to test data strength?
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vndnguyen:
The term "data strength" has no meaning. If you want to test for signal strength, it is the received level. If you want to test for data speed, there is no way without actually testing it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] discstu37:
Is anyone aware of a wireless charger that would enable the fast charging speeds of the charger in the box?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] SBC44:
I believe the limitation of Qi is 500 - 700 mA unfortunately.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] tonyf7:
I think, but not sure, that you can use and qi wireless charger as long as it's connected with the included (and rather large) Droid Turbo power adapter.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] thecaptain0220:
I cant imagine you would need to use the turbo charger for this. Like SBC44 said the speed is going to be limited fairly low with wireless charging. It wouldn't be possible to charge that fast with wireless technologies, at least not with the current technology. The turbo charger moves a lot of juice.

Here is some good reading if your interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging

From the article "Slower charging – due to the lower efficiency, devices can take longer to charge when supplied power is equal."
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] Bigbraveballs:
I dont think so.. wall chargers are more powerful than wireless chargers.. Wireless chargers are still need to improve alot..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] lukester01:
Wireless charging takes more than overnight!

Do not waste your money on the Verizon wireless charger. The battery in this is so big that even overnight does not bring a phone that was down to 25% up to a full charge.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] Rams99:
Thanks for letting us know. I was about to buy the Verizon wireless charger 2 days ago when I was buying all my accessories for the phone. Would've been a bummer to find out how slow the wireless charger chargers. Thanks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] ccheww:
The TYLT brand wireless charger is capable of normal wall plug speeds. It will be much faster than the average Qi charger but at the same time the turbo charger is amazing. I do not know of a charger that can charge as fast as the turbo charger but this TYLT brand is pretty good. The only reason I would get a wireless charger is to reduce wear and tear on my microUSB port (the culprit for retiring most of my previous android devices).

I also think its common knowledge that rapid charging and discharging of LiPo batteries reduces the overall life expectancy. I'm not sure what Motorola is doing with this whole "rapid charge and non removable battery" thing. Its possible that Turbo users can prolong the life of their batteries by charging at normal rates but I honestly don't have enough info to make a confident statement about that.

Here's the fastest Qi charger that I know of right now:

http://www.tylt.com/vu/

Sent from my XT1254
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] SBC44:
I also use the Tylt Vu and am very pleased with it. Looking forward to their wireless car dock.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] ccheww:
Is there an actual model thats being advertised for release? Ive been searching everywhere for the right wireless car dock. Im trying to minimize my usage on the microUSB port.

That goes for everyone. If you know of any good wireless Qi car mounts /docks that would be superb. I drive all day every day.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Accessories] SBC44:
Their website just says coming soon, but Android Police did a hands-on post about it a couple of weeks ago. Looks like the price will be about $80 (!).

I currently use this wireless car dock and haven't had any problems with it..