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[Galaxy Note 4 General] electech13:
oh yeah and that's EXACTLY what a manufacturer wants... Right? People to hold onto their phones *as long as possible*. Makes perfect business sense.. Let's *encourage* less sales..

Hey I'm with you in wanting the updates and in a timely fashion.. And for as many devices as possible... But it's just not realistic all the time and is the nature of the beast...

That's why there is Nexus :) Get the latest Android updates (usually) the quickest and for a reasonable length of time.

Waiting on Samsung for updates is like watching paint dry (but the paint is much quicker)

Yep.. Like I said above. The last thing manufacturers want is people holding onto devices longer and not buying new ones (as frequently as possible).. Nature of the beast.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] elevul:
At the expense of being slave to Google's stupid philosophy of no microsd, no removable battery and no hardware buttons, while still paying a fortune (after the nexus 5)...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I liked the watching paint dry expression LOL

The profitability of selling hardware is going to drop dramatically in a very short time. Chinese competition is going to dry Samsung's profits, it is already doing it. Their luck is that they are not only phone manufacturers. They are doing everything. So they will turn for more profitable areas. Look for example at Sony considering to sell the phone business - at least there were rumors. A subscription model for having the latest software and features on the phone may look ok in a few years when they will have to sell phones with zero profit or loosing money like HTC or Sony.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
don't be lazy, there are solutions, but i am not your mom.

do your homework by yourself if you want to go on with your freak scenario.

then just pay 1000$ for the rotten apple to get your great update support and new IOS releases that are bug fests without much new functionality.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] elevul:
Not gonna happen: the chinese cannot compete at the high end, both because the $700+ phones are not tools, they are status symbols, and because Samsung for now has the Amoled exclusivity, which is gonna get way more important as we enter the mobile VR era with 4k smartphones and GearVR2.

SM-910F@5.0.1 stock, per ora

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Oh, ok, so you're just trolling.

Sorry for having thought you were looking for a serious discussion.

SM-910F@5.0.1 stock, per ora
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdm9mm:
This is why I said in my earlier post, why can't samsung make a "developers'" edition of the Note 4 and other sammy phones... I would opt for NO warranty, assuming threre is NO hardware issue... because we will void warranty anyway once we root the device.

The subscription option is also a good alternative, just like Microsoft OS... but I know this is not going to happen because any other phone manufacturer will want you to buy a new phone after at least 1 year... in my case, every SIX months.... since I have owned the S3.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fershox:
Zero problems with the last update, No lags great camera! Actually Im kinda happy
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
It is interesting to see that there are many people posting that they have no issues. Assuming that at least half of them are honest and not employed by Samsung it means that some versions have issues in some situations. I wish Samsung had a smaller number of versions. Why do they do this? Updating these must be a burden.

I wonder if s6 still has this crazy number of different builds even if it has only one processor.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
One thing is for sure, note 4 takes stunningly good pictures, everyone is impressed
[Galaxy Note 4 General] toofimoofi:
Running Echoerom v5. No lag at all. Smooth as butter. You need to freeze the stuff u dont use to make things smoother. Too much bloatware that comes with sammy phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I think that not the hardware is the problem, I like the Note 4. I agree that heart rate sensor is not of very much use., at least not for me. I think they or Google or whoever should focus more on giving a consistent and optimized software experience. Who needs 4 gb of ram or zilions of cores. I just need good battery life, good camera and call quality. I need a reliable phone, I do not want to carry battery packs and covers and other "accessories" .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Jygar:
The lollipop rollout hasn't been great but the builds seem to be coming a little more frequently and I can only hope that things smooth out.

I still experience some lag but it was not as bad as on some of the KK roms.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jayesh:
This kind of situation, is a problem to most. How many people do you actually/seriously expect to do this? Sure its easy to mock them and say, if they dont want the power that they should go for iPhone? It's this kind of absurd expectation, that's driven a lot of people to the 6plus and nearly increased their sales by 40 odd percent.

Anyway so far samsung could take a lesson, from motorola. Trim down the excess fat, deploy whatever magic Sense uses for consistency of speed across apps, stick to their new design mantra and that's that. No one comes close, as their hardware is in a league of its own.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
Cheers.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
I like the Note 4.

I bought an S6 edge plus and I'm still keeping my Note.

Probably the last one with sdCard and battery.

I'll die with it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] andre.aqha:
i think the only let down is note 4 has too much variants so it needs a lot to be taken care of like my variant which is U version, has not got any 5.1.1 update.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] A|ex:
Six x Note 4 in the family here and not one single problem with 2 of them running custom roms.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
That's shocking still haven't received 5.1.1, I wonder have you received update yet?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
Revisiting do you still feel the same now that Samsung have stopped using plastic?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] zviki:
After 8 months? Yeah, I think he is...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
I certainly hope so.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Er. Aditya:
to add to this i have iphone 5 as well and mostly it lags as well , most of the time the rotation dsnt work at all
[Galaxy Note 4 General] webelieveInGodButDoHeinUs:
What a terrible thread made by a fanboy. please do a video showing your note 4 first. and then show its lag
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
FYI when people complain about TouchWiz it's not only about the launcher. You can get Nova but you're still on the TouchWiz UI. The only alternatives are to flash Aosp or cm based roms but then you lose all those TouchWiz related perks. ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Magnus3D:
What's worth mentioning to those who hates plastic phones. Plastic is not only cheaper but it's also a better shockabsorber. Metal only deforms on impact, plastic deforms and then springs back into it's original shape. Another bonus when plastic is used is it's ability to let signals through, metal has the ability to block or reduce any signals through it's surface so the advantages are many for plastic and few for metal when it comes to design and construction.

A combination of both materials just like we can see in the Note 4 is a good thing, it should not be considered bad because the phone features a plastic backpanel.

/ Magnus
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ciscostud:
Does the OP even own a Note 4 are did he just spent a few minutes at Best Buy or something. Samsung's camera and spen software is impressive to say the least. I'm not a fan of TW but I'm very happy that all its features work on other launchers like Nova.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] railshot:
I really could not care less what the back looks like or what it is made of, as long as it's removable. Like 90% of users out there, I will be using the phone in a case and never see the back in the day to day use. So, why should I pay more for a glass or metal back that is always hidden behind TPU?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
It doesn't look ugly. So that's fine. Looks far better than the fullbody metal phones, including HTC and apple.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tom-Helge:
Just to let you guys know how my UI / homescreen looks like on my Galaxy Note 4, you can look at it here.

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There is no lag and everything runs buttery smooth, even while recording that at full (1440p) resolution.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nitemare3219:
Coming from a Nexus 5 to a LG G3, and now the Note 4 - this is one of the best phones, perhaps the best phone I've ever owned. And I'm still 100% stock... probably waiting for L before diving into flashing.

Touchwiz isn't pretty, but it doesn't lag hardly at all, if ever on this phone. The extra features are pretty useful compared to bare bones AOSP. The hardware is phenomenal, and I've been converted to loving SAMOLED when I despised it due to my GNex. It is leaps and bounds ahead of the display I had on the G3. Sure sub-pixel density is less, but it is indiscernible at this ppi. Being able to change color saturation levels when I want to, having practically zero brightness level at night, and extreme brightness in the sun, plus pure blacks is amazing. The camera is superb. The s-pen is awesome and I use it every day. The device is gorgeous which I've never said about any Samsung phone.

I used to HATE Samsung phones. But the Note 4 is a home run and has made me think differently. The only thing I don't like is pressing down on the home button, but that doubles as waking the device so it sort of helps. Tap to wake is something I miss.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
I'm glad to hear your feedback I too had the G3 and the nexus 5. I'm currently rocking the OnePlus one and I ordered a note 4 to use as my backup device. I can hardly wait.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] an_xda:
The only thing I hate about TouchWiz is how much resources it requires to run and that the notification panel leaves a lot to be desired. The rest is welcomed and I have yet to experience any form of lag, except when I click the recent apps button but that is the case for all Note 4s running TW.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
What do you find lacking in the notification area?

The delay is present on the Alpha as well, btw.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] an_xda:
The brightness bar and quick conect/s-finder buttons take up a lot of space in the notifications area... I know they can be removed with root but I plan to keep it stock for the first year.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
Hm, I don't find them intrusive at all. So you're not lacking anything, you just have some things there you don't like much. Not the worst of transgressions imo.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
So everyone here who feels differently than you or is having a different experience is automatically a "Sam fan?" Someone started a similar thread with "as we all know." Who's "we?"

Of all Samsung's devices the Note-series has more s/w tricks than any other. Believe it or not that's why some people buy them. If you want a giant phone for the basics (web, social, music, gaming, messaging) save some money and buy a Nexus 6. It solves all your s/w issues with the Note 4. As for TW in the Note 4 it's a marked improvement from the Note 3. It's cleaner, lighter, flatter, apps are better integrated, and it has a more modern aesthetic. Someone in another thread was *****ing because the dark teal Samsung's used since 2010 was gone. Different strokes.

There are plenty of lag threads in the G3 forum. There's also throttling threads because a QHD phone shouldn't be running on S-800. To try and maximize battery life (which is dismal) LG throttles the SoC. Bad example for you to pick.

Samsung's losing market share because the high-end market is saturated. Apple's losing market share too. Those that are gaining are value brands selling low/mid-range devices in emerging markets for far less unit margin than Apple and Samsung which collectively command over 90% of smartphone profit.

Here's a chart of Q3 2014 smartphone sales:

Apple and Samsung continue to dominate and the the Chinese vendors are showing market share gains against them. LG, the only worldwide brand to make the chart, had their best quarter in years and gained less than a point of market share for it. Apple's mobile profit for Q3 was $7B, Samsung's $3B, LG's $163M, HTC's $21M, Sony lost money, and Motorola's numbers are muddled in with Google's.

So it's selling conditions not "listening to their customers better" that's affecting Samsung. And their market share loss certainly isn't materially benefiting any of the brands you mentioned or that we discuss on XDA. Samsung's biggest problem isn't selling more phones, coming up with cheap low spec products to compete with the Chinese isn't hard. It's how to maintain a premium brand image in the still lucrative high-end urban segment to extract high margins while selling more low/mid-range phones in emerging markets. It's a tough problem to solve but they have $64B in cash on hand so it's not like they're going to disappear any time soon.

Bad example. HTC hasn't shown a YOY or QOQ sales gain since 2010. They make beautiful phones that no one buys.

Speak for yourself.

Great choice - for you. Don't assume others feel the same way. I buy Note's

for

the things you're complaining about. I'm sure people here will agree with both of us. But it's naive to think everyone here thinks the same way, wants the same things, and has the same priorities.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] an_xda:
The Nexus 6 could work depending on your usage as Barry has mentioned.

For me, getting the Note 4 was a no brainer.

- The additional of the metal frame is great (albeit, it will still go in a case - for now!)

- Camera is superior, seriously I saw some demos from before but with my own real world usage - it is actually a great competitor to the iPhone 6+ (where I hold my standards the highest for mobile photography)

- Removable battery: I never cared for this before but my 2.5 year old HTC One X and iPhone 4S can barely hold a charge, they are still pretty much mint and with a new battery they would be like they were >2 years ago today

- S-pen: have not found too much usage yet but I will find some niche use cases for it in the next 2-3 years, I think!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
For me as well...

The multitasking is great. Ive got a video going in youtube as Im browsing, for instance. Drag/drop between apps. Running calculator windowed over a browser. etc

Pen... well where do I start... the mere textmarking is great for me, for forums for instance. Then theres the smart select. Great tool for a lot of reasons, for instance (an example I do use a lot) putting tripinformation and sharing with your friends (flight info, hotel contact info, map with directions/noteworthy locations to visit, weather, etc) for them to print out or keep on their device. Screen write as well, actually, I use a lot.

Removable battery is always a plus.

The design is better imo than then Nexus.

Screen is better.

It may have a better camera as far as Ive seen.

Its plastic back is far better than metallic, imo. And even if you dont agree, you can just get a metallic back for it; problem solved.

So the drawback is what... stock android? Meh, not enough of a reason for me to discard the advantages mentioned.

But hey, thats me. If you like the nexus go nuts, Im just saying its not even close for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
[MENTION=994735]riz157[/MENTION] Wonderful thread OP.

Need 8 more such threads. I heard Iron Man also uses Nexus 6, and the main reason why Nexus is now currently the best-selling device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] homer285:
I for one think this isnt a troll thread and is actually a great factual informative discussion provided by the OP! <-opposite of that is the truth

Actually only the first post in lacking any real substance, the rest of the thread has made sense.

Starting a thread saying "this probably infuriate some" implies that your intention was to provoke a response that people wouldnt like, so isnt that trolling?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
I totally agree with you on that and I have to say that I am pleased and very impressed with the level of maturity of this thread. No one fell for his blatant attempt to troll and provided great informative replies laden with facts rather than opinions. Slow clap. Good job fellow XDA members. We've come a long way. :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mortusqz:
samsung is losing market share for chinese brands ,lenovo acquired motorola , xiaomi year by year delivering more interesting devices ,oppo -i don't know about them but they have some potential, find 7 nice device ,and one plus one , china has over 1 billion citizens ,let's assume 200 millions are potential customers that thing which makes difference ,and that's why samsung doing everything to be present there, you cannot please everyone but samsung trying put everybody in same pot ,and now they have hiccup
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
Fun fact; a spoonfull of sugar is a great cure for hiccups. Not even just for like two minute hiccups but for long duration sufferers that have hiccups for days or weeks or even longer. Supposedly it overloads the sensory nerve to forget focusing on making you hiccup by just DROWNING it with input from the sugar.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] an_xda:
Troll or not, the factual information provided in this thread will hopefully help future buyers decide on their next phone. Pointless bickering between a troll and one who fell for it results in useless posts read by other users. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
I don't have lag and neither has any of the reviews I have read. I find Wiz fine and the first time not compelled to use Nova.

The design is fine too and have note recalled a review to say otherwise either.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bronx:
This. Tried it before and works every time. That is the most valuable piece of information in this thread. :highfive:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 30Seconds:
I have been using an LG G3 for most of this year and I thought the Note 4 would be my next phone, largely because of the QHD display which I liked on the G3. But after using the demo models at local stores I'm probably going to pass, reasons being:

I didn't like the display as much as the G3, I felt the colors were off and overall it was not as legible. I think I am one of those people who are affected by the pentile display and I found it not as sharp as the G3 and not a step up that would have me laying out money to buy it. That said, there is really not a lot of practical difference between the QHD displays and the best 1080 displays. I've used most of the phones that have come out this year and done a lot of OCD pixel peeping and the only time I really see an advantage with the QHD phones is with video playback. I actually find the 1080 display on the IPhone 6 Plus to have better text legibility than the G3 or Note 4 so it's not just a matter of resolution it seems.

Build quality. The build quality and the metal sides didn't live up to the hype for me. Same old same old from Samsung. I wish they would put their resources into making just one or two great phones instead of 30 devices that all have a wide variety of strengths and weaknesses.

Music playback is a clear step down from the G3. Very flat harsh digital sound on the Canadian Note 4 Snapdragon version. Using my phone as a personal music player is a big deal for me so this is a deal breaker. The M8 and G3 are still the best Androids for music playback that I have used.

I will probably tinker around with the 6 Plus until the G4 or Note 5 come out next year. It feels like all of these devices, the G3, Note 4 and the 6+ are prototypes, and the next versions will be more finished.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JippleStar:
I think the touchwiz thing is fine o3o;; I usually use a different launcher on my phones, but this time I actually decided not to. I don't really like the keyboard setup (That's part of touchwiz, right? :shrugs:) but that was easily changed with SwiftKey.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
I have a very different opinion on everything you mention. Except the music, it's totally fine for me with my earbuds.

The 6+ and g3 feel more like proof of concept phones, while the note 4 feels like a solid finished product.

You seem to confuse build quality with "quality/premium feel". One is hard to say much about at this point, but all tests show its quite durable. As for feel, it's highly individual and I think it's the best looking and feeling device out atm.

Screen... Well thats not really personal. It has a great screen unless you have a flawed device. Better than... Well, any screen atm. Fantastic whites, good colour accuracy, excellent viewing angles, crisp and flat out great. Given a working screen of course, and setting it correctly.

Thank God they do pool their resources and make a great phone every year. They did last year and this year at least. Which is good news.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
I disagree, completely with the plastic. My S3 has survived multiple falls while high speed biking and work in the field. I've been lucky not to hit the screen but my phones still straight as an arrow. Also plastic is durable, aluminium is soft dents scratches, isn't good for reception, CONDUCTIVE, and completely easy to bend. I'm not sure how its thought metal is better quality.. Batteries die its not debatable its absolute, 100% guaranteed. Androids a power user os so many of us put our phones through many charge cycles which burns out batteries. Having to get it looked at and worked on.. or just throwing the phone out seems like a waste.. also for all the green heads not environmental a good thing. Lastly, I think the Note 4 is a great phone, i've had MANY different brands and models. Phones are like hammers to me just a tool. I like a tool that will last and my experience to me means more then change for the sake of change. My Galaxy devices have been highly reliable even under extremely hard situations.

Not sure how or why everyone thinks metal makes better build quality when you really mean it feels better to you in hand!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Sides of my old note 3 just broken without a drop nothing happened but its just cracked it happened me on s3 too. I can use another plastic phone but samsung plastic is just bad.. i was done with samsung if they didnt bring better build quality (and better performance ofc) . I dont use case with my phones it should feel better in your hand and its actualy better in quality too. Samsung plastic is just worst in market. It shouldnt be there with a flagship phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
It really isn't. My s2, s3, s4 and note3 haven't been anything but sturdy and reliable. That's generally what I hear from everyone I know who has had one or more of those. I'm not saying what you experienced is a lie, but I think you've been extremely unlucky, perhaps both devices were of a horribly flawed batch or something.

Oh and I don't use cases either.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
I'm loving my Note 4. And they are absolutely flying off the shells, I had a lot of difficulty locating one considering all the locations were still awaiting stock to fulfill preorders.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] awilson77584:
I'm looking forward to getting mine and running extremely cool ROMs for the next few years. OmniROM would be great. My only concern is losing the pen functionality. I had to run a pure touchwiz S3 so I can get work email. After 2 years of a rooted phone running up through kitkat I hate the stock config. Can't wait to get my Note 4! It is a powerful handheld computer that can also make phone calls //smile
[Galaxy Note 4 General] eRode:
xda should put an age limit on thread creation. this is not an mmo and the community can only benefit from fact-based opinions
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Idan73:
[MENTION=225651]op[/MENTION] you lost me at 'take a leaf out of htc's book' - yeah cause they're not choking in red.

Sent from my SM-N910W8