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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Things that kill SOT and people are not taking it into consideration, is anything that needs to render. Website browsing isn't affected by the screen resolution, for instance. Games, however, they are a killer.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wingsfortheirsmiles:
Hmmm thanks for the info, though that's confused me! I understand that anything requiring any GPU effort will definitely reduce SOT as more pixels need to be driven but also understand that a larger pixel density also incurs higher power draw assuming both are at the same brightness?

http://anandtech.com/show/7743/the-pixel-density-race-and-its-technical-merits

In any case, I'm satisfied with the battery life I'm getting though I expect it to drop in the summer when auto brightness ramps up - I might go back to setting it to fixed!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wadamean:
Hilarious reading this mini argument. For petes sake if the phone lasts you all day without having to charge without being cautious what you do on it, then that's all that matters. Geez
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Websites are rendered by software, not the GPU. Now if the sites have hardware accelerated components like webgl, that is a little different.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wingsfortheirsmiles:
Heh admittedly I am a bit obsessed with battery stats; I love everything about this phone (yep the "chin," capacitive buttons, BN back, power Moto X feel etc) except the battery life which is OK to me. I'm in a position of ignorance on this though so I don't see an argument or even mini argument, just adrynalyne trying to help me out!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
If you want the best battery life turn off Google now. That's a hog.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wiggz:
Where did you get that from? Stats to prove?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
The entire Internet will backup his claim. Any program that is constantly scanning your habits, location, time, and then grabbing data from the Internet will suck battery.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
Here's a shot of my stats with everything on except Google now.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Butcher98:
That's outstanding, my phone likes to shut off around 8% sometimes. I get at best 15-16 hours with maybe 5 SOT, I also have a Moto 360 connected so not sure how much that effects it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
What about all of us that render full resolution Youtube videos?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
I don't have a moto360 so have no idea how much that connection uses. Bluetooth always on will use a bit if juice but nothing to bad. Not sure about apps though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
It was rendered for you server side.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ccheww:
Sweet! i was wondering why youtube didnt seem to have much effect on my battery drain, alongside bluetooth, these are two things i expected to drain the most.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
Yeah...and then you play a game.

My battery life drains at a rate of about 1-2% per minute of playing.

To be specific, when I say it was rendered server side, I mean it was created by the YT server in the format you need, and your device is just playing back the file.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wiggz:
That's all well and good. Let me clarify my original question; what stats do you have to suggest that Google Now is a sucker of battery?

It still bugs me that we have to go through this routine....surely battery sizes should reflect the feature set on a phone and not vice versa.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
By all means, leave it enabled if you want. The phone will get you to the end of the day without much effort.

Other phones aren't so lucky.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wiggz:
I'm not averse to turning it off but location is already off so all it can do is pickup and poll periodic data
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] adrynalyne:
That and mine data, check it across the Internet, examine your habits....

You underestimate how much work that app is actually doing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Wiggz:
Well I only seem to have a small percentage of google services causing drain. Android OS is worse even...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
That was a helpful hint for another user and not directed at you to begin with. That being said I think it's pretty common knowledge that Google now uses a good amount of battery with location polling etc. I've run with Google now and without it and I see a clear difference. I'm sure a Google search for Google now battery drain might get you a few results as well if you choose not to believe my experience [emoji2]

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Here's a screen shot from mine right now. I notice yours is Google services and mine is Google play services. Wonder if we're on different versions.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bjoostema:
Here's a screen shot from mine right now. I notice yours is Google services and mine is Google play services. Wonder if we're on different versions.

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I had Google service show up when I first got the phone (not Google Play services and I assumed it was because I had synced my contacts. and added a couple new ones which had to be synced with Google. Might explain why his is showing the contacts pic next to it. Just speculation.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cyberr8der:
I'm not sure. I have mine synced as well. My Google play services is version 6.5.99. I also notices my Google contacts sync uses that same icon you have but I've never seen it in my battery stats.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ankurcshah:
I remember switching WiFi off but the stats show that wifi is on ? :/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wingsfortheirsmiles:
Probably because you have the "Scanning Always Available" in WiFi Advanced settings
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ankurcshah:
Yesss. Thank you. Switched it off.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Decree:
I the turbo. Coming from an m8 which got me through the day. This, this is something else
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mobilehavoc:
Second day and daddy like. FYI not even trying to conserve battery so very impressed.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] juancaperez2000:
Honestly speaking those pictures dont impress me to much, I expect more SOT from this phone, i going to wait a lil more maybe update can fix it
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] distortedloop:
Meh.

Don't judge dude, for some people playing with their phone IS enjoying the day.

Sent from my XT1095
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] zvadim:
Pretty happy so far.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mobilehavoc:
It all depends how you use it. I never get more than 2-3hrs SOT on any phone so getting consistently more than 3 is amazing. Also I use every feature and then some so I would expect battery to die fast.

Again battery life is too subjective to compare. I'm happy so far though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Marlon41:
Battery is getting better with every charge for me. Very happy with it so far.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] shiodooru:
Been using my phone for almost two days straight with no issues
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ABRMess006:
Got the phone at 41%. Drained it and fully charged to 100%. This was the first run through that charge, didn't use it a whole ton, but did plenty of messaging, took some pics and videos, watched plenty of youtube, browsing websites, flipboard, etc... can't really complain at all with those stats though! Pretty happy with it, much better than my G2
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dandrumheller:
Wow. Still seems like most of the users here are not getting spectacular battery life. I really was expecting better. As a point of comparison, here's my LG Optimus G running 4.4.4 Liquid Smooth. This was yesterday...better than usual, but normal is 4 hours SoT and 18-20 hours off charger.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] daboyal006:
I had the Optimus G(most underated), and stock, it wouldn't last me a whole day. Liquid Smooth is stock android isn't it? lol. If the note 4 ran stock android it would get 10 hours screen on time lol

Sent From My VZW Note 4 POW!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] snake2243:
just gonna..... leave this here

http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo/general/guide-how-to-48-hours-easy-droid-turbo-t2926045
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Gator357:
Sorry, I don't know how to do screenshots and post them and I don't feel like staying up, and I want to capture the stats.

1d, 16h, 40+m - 11% remaining

SOT: 2:11m / 15%

Interestingly, I don't see the top draw in anyone else's screenshots: My top draw was something called "Command Center" at 29%. To be fair, this was what I would consider light use at home, almost entirely on WiFi, limited browsing - mostly podcasts, and some setup/download stuff... but I didn't customize for battery drain or even set that much else up yet, FWIW. From some limited research, sounds like it is the default widget with he weather/etc. I'll have to keep an eye it and see if it needs to go as a part of the inevitable battery optimization.

I'm a little disappointed in the lack of flexibility for the Moto tools for battery management. The Droid RAZR Maxx I had, had a "tasker" like equivalent that was simple, and reasonably powerful. Now I guess I have to consider one of the alternate tools since this one seems at limited glance to just have some easy default settings (that admittedly seem reasonable, but lack customization options the old one had). Anyhow, none of that optimization in place, this is where I landed:

Command Center: 29%

Screeen: 15%

Cell Standby: 12%

Wifi: : 12%

Android OS: 11%

Phone Idle: 7%

Android System: 5%

Google Services: 4%

Email (Corporate): 2%

PodCast App: 2%

Cheers! So far, I'm comfortable with my choice. Biggest complaint so far is low call volume but since the speakerphone uses the same speaker bar and is plenty loud, I'm confident that can be fixed.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] henry0504:
I think miui quite good about the balance btw performance n battery
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] r0bbb:
Very interesting thread. Really wanted this phone because of battery specs, however seems that my Samsung S4 with Zerolemon 3000 mAh gives same performance...

Too bad really was hoping for an easy 36 hours of running time and still having 25%..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] chipsa964:
I have been really impressed actually. I haven't been trying to conserve battery, and I spent most of my time using chrome, email, etc. This was my first full charge after I discharged it completely out of the box.

Sent from my Droid Turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] DelBoy:
WTF, you guys are only getting like 3-4 hours of SOT with 16-24 hour stand by.

I get that on Nexus 5.

These look like really bad results.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] geoff5093:
Hold the power and volume down keys together, then upload to Photobucket or add as an image to the post.

Sent from my Droid Turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] civiksi:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v21rq5xgvf1x7l5/2014-11-02 00.52.41.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iuvrlvb4b97dn63/2014-11-02 00.52.46.png?dl=0

I pull my phone off the charger at 5 am. I started Friday. I stream music all day at work. At least 7 hours a day. I use waze in the car which is about 90 min a day. Granted it was Halloween I did not get a lot of time to play with it when I got home from work besides taking pics of the kids. Saturday I worked and didn't mess with it too much. Hence only 2:40 of screen time. I was very impressed. I knew that 48 hours would be bull****. I am very happy to get a day and a half. I came from an S4 with a GPE rom on it and I would need to charge it by about 3:00pm. The streaming music murdered that thing.

Sorry. For some reason I can never get pics to work but the links should.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] hongkongph00ey:
Command Center

Command Center is that widget on the Home Screen that shows time, battery, weather and calendar events (personally I think the Command Center on the 2013 Droid Maxx was more usefu). If it's using 29% of your battery that seems like a lot for a widget.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dandrumheller:
Yeah, I know it's another apples to oranges comparison. My LGOG has a lot of battery optimizations to get there. But come on Moto, the battery in the turbo is like twice the size.

My wife is getting 18 hours up with 2 hours screen on, with 50% battery left, on her galaxy alpha. It has less than half the battery of the turbo. Bone stock with no effort at battery savings.

I agree.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mattlach:
I don't know about you guys but i am thrilled with the battery life of this phone.

On day 4 now and I have yet to see the battery below 70% charge.

Now granted, years of smartphone use has me trained to plug it in whenever at my desk (home or work) and whenever in my car.

I have a charger at my desk at work (old blackberry charger). Whenevr i sit down my phine gets plugged in. I also have a charger at my desk at home. Again, whenever i sit down I plug it in. I tend ti drive a couple of hours a day too, and whenever i drive it is plugged in.

As I see it, if i am anywhere near a power source, why let it drain? Plugging in is so easy :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Opzon:
Constantly having your phone plugged in to charge it is bad for your phone. Just saying. Battery life is great compared to my S3. Didn't believe version's 48hr claim one bit. So far I'm mostly pleased with the phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] geoff5093:
So, you are saying you don't get under 70%, but you charge it when you are home, at work, or in the car? That's not really a scientific test.

Not to mention it will wear our your USB port extremely fast. You don't want to wear your battery down to nothing as that really damages the battery, but I would agree, plugging it in at 95%, unplugging it, then plugging it in 10 minutes later all day is not good either.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mattlach:
Never claimed it was. It's enough to qualitatively say that with my use, it performs much better than any phone I have had since my Motorola Razr flip phone which probably still today holds a 48 hour charge, but no, it doesn't say anything quantitatively.

And neither do any of the posts above, as everyone uses their phones differently, subject them to different loads, using different apps, different screen brightnesses and different settings.

The only way to come to a quantifiable conclusion is to subject multiple phones to the exact same controlled conditions, like Phone Arena did and found that it is the new king of battery life, beating everything out there, but not by the margins the marketing blitz would have suggested (as is always the case and should be expected at this point. Never believe a marketer)

I'll buy that port wear could be a problem (though I have never had this issue), but with lithium ION batteries there is nothing you can do to damage or shorten the life of the battery. It is dependent on time, not on use. These are not the Nickel Cadmium batteries of the 90s.

Plugging it in to top it off, and unplugging it all day long is perfectly safe and a good way to use it.

Even deep discharge as you mention above is not a problem. Sure, it takes a while to charge it back up again after a deep discharge, but once that its done, it continues to work as before.

There really is no reason what so ever (other than laziness) to not charge whenever you are within reach of a charger, and considering how much trouble you guys seem to have with battery life, it seems silly not to do so.

I charge mine whenever I'm within arms reach of a charger, "just in case" I wind up being away from a charger unexpectedly, have a power outage, etc. etc. I prefer to have 80%+ charge at all times.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mobilehavoc:
Because we all use the phone the same way. Jesus...these battery life threads are becoming completely useless these days.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Andromjb:
That Galaxy Alpha is also running a 720p screen with almost half the ppi and a cpu running almost half the speed.

Everyone cried horrible battery life on the Moto 360 on release, a week later an update fixed it and the battery life almost tripled. Just saying...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fatasian:
Battery coming from S3 is about what I expected. Def get through a full day and not worry about it. What IS fantastic is the turbo charger. 30% to 80% in 20 minutes sheeeit.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wseyller:
Heavy usage for me today. This is much more than normal for me. My Bionic would have died a countless times doing this.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] geoff5093:
You should read this post, it talks a lot about Li-Ion batteries.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries

In short, it's safe and preferable to do partial charges, but it does state that it is bad to discharge a Li-Ion battery completely.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] snake2243:
I will just leave this here for you http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo/general/guide-how-to-48-hours-easy-droid-turbo-t2926045
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lowg:
Pretty impressed with the battery on the Turbo now, my weekend run:

Battery time: 1 day 15 hours

Screen on: 4 hours

Testing the turbo charger now for first time as well.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] daboyal006:
Had it since release day and its getting way better for me..

Sent from my DROID TURBO 64 GB
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] theineffablebob:
Here's my first day with the phone. Coming from the Galaxy S4 where I barely got 2 hours Screen On Time, the Droid Turbo is amazing.

This is with heavy usage, all radios on, bluetooth, navigation, played games, etc.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fishflies:
Better today...day three. Typical usage. Similar results as past phones.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dandrumheller:
Yeah, I know the alpha is driving a much lighter (battery wise) screen so that helps. I'm not convinced regarding cpu speed though - unless we're talking gaming, they are both probably spending most of their screen on time at the lower end of the processor speed charts. And I was under the impression that the 805 was supposedly more efficient than the 801. So I was just figuring that would be a wash in a head to head comparison.

Clearly the turbo is still out performing the competition, I was just hoping for, and expecting, a bigger gap. I hope you're right and a software update gives some improvement. It does appear that there is some improvement as a few days pass and the battery and usage patterns settle, as well. I guess I would say I'm cautiously optimistic at this point.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] tonyf7:
First day I got about 5 hours but today was exceptional! Only lasted about 14 hours total time but half of it was screen on time.

Seems like 5 hours when I'm 4G and up to 7 hours on Wi-Fi.

Today I was only on Wi-Fi. Did normal stuff like web browsing, texting, played some YouTube vids, played music on my Jambox via bluetooth and also downloaded some apps including Nova Launcher which I spent some time setting up.

Only thing I don't like about this phone is the amount of time I spend with my face buried in it.

I also had all my location and gps services running but of course they didn't get much use since I didn't go anywhere today.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] DoctorB0NG:
The idle drain that this phone experiences is INSANE! Overnight I lost 11% (8 hours) and that was with a -60 dbm LTE signal, -70 dbm legacy signal and very strong wifi. That's without wakelocks. What the hell?? My G2 would lose 3-4% overnight in similar conditions and that's with a 3000 mah battery... Hopefully Motorola and Verizon can figure out what's wrong because something is off.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] timmyd463229:
Man these stats seem not very good for the screen size and battery size. My dad just got the Sony z3v and I think it has a average size battery and a 5.2 Inch screen he had like 5 hours screen time with 65% battery left. I was going to get the turbo but I'll wait till the battery problem is fixed
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ITGuy11:
I agree, besides the screen, cell standby is my biggest battery drain at 18%, something is not right with the turbo. So far battery life is not much better than my M8.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BladeRunner:
the z3v has a 3200mAh battery so it's not an "average" size battery and a HD screen as opposed to a QHD screen.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mattlach:
Fair enough. I shouldn't have said running to empty is completely harmless, but it is not as bad as many think.

Firstly, most phones have circuitry in them to prevent complete drain of the battery. They may report 0% to the OS, and initiate shutdown, but on the back end some charge actually still exists to prevent deep disccharge. The circuitry also protects against overcharge, which otherwise could have resulted in your phones fiery end.

If - however - you do go into deep discharge, (by - for example - letting the battery run out and not charging it for days, or leaving it in a cold car duringthe winter) it's not the end of the world. It can take several hours to charge it back up again if this happens, but the permanent damage is rather limited, unless you do it all the time.

My 2013 Nexus 7 has twice been forgotten in the cold and gone into deep discharge, taking ~4 hours to charge back up to the point where it could be powered on, and the battery life currently is not noticeably different from when it was new.

Interesting side note:

Lithium ION batteries tend to wear out as a function of time, not as a function of use, but you can actually preserve a battery if it will not be used for a while, and extend it's life, by freezing it. (I would only do this with removeable batteries for obvious reasons :p ) This will result in the complete discharge of the battery, and require a long recharge once brought up to room temp, but can significantly extend the life of spare Lithium ION batteries not in use.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] CrzzyLegz:
Command Center?

Does anyone know what Command Center is and why it's draining my battery? I've had the Droid Turbo since Thursday afternoon and Command Center is consistently 2nd on my battery killers right behind my screen and more than my Cell standby, which I wouldn't have expected.

I've noticed that my phone is constantly waking up and shows the clock when the device is sleeping as if I got a notification when I did not. Is that the Command Center and what is causing this?

Normally I use about 3-5 hours of screen on time during the day (this specific case was just due to being busy Sunday afternoon and being at work right now). I've not had any problems making it a full day on the battery though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Juliann826:
So I've noticed my "cell standby" is using a lot of battery, I'm at 3% on my battery life and the cell standby counts for 22% of the battery. Is this relatively high or normal? I've noticed on some screenshots some people are at 4% and some are at 13%. When I click for more info "On time" is exactly the same as "on battery" time. however "time without a signal" is 0%.