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[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xunholyx:
It does disable them. But it doesn't matter dude.

When you are rooted, you can update before your carrier updates to the new version.

F*ck OTAs!!! That is part of the wonderful world of the rooting community.

But for most users, s-off is unnecessary.

You only need it to flash firmware not specifically meant for your device (non matching CID and/or MID).

Also for reverting to older firmware.

If you just want to install ROMs and mods, you can do it. Just use versions meant for your firmware.

Also, almost every Sense based ROM has a link to update firmware in OP.

EDIT: I just re read your post, and I get what you mean now.

I used firewater when I got mine, but that was before the patch. They don't get to what they can't push updates to. Plus,you don't have to do s-off twice. Once and you are done. You weren't s-off before.

Also, I have a feeling that Firewater will work on a brand new M8 before connecting to the web/signing in to your G account. Unconfirmed and un-asked. But I have a feeling.

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With s-off you will always be able to flash the latest and greatest.

Plus you will have the ablity to revert back if the need be.

Plus you can go SuperCID and use the updated firmware from any carrier in the world.

I have the Harmon and Kardon Sprint ADSP and audio/libs on my phone. The sound is like the music of angels.

You need S-Off for that.

They work hard on this stuff. It takes a lot of time to write those scripts.

I see no problem with them asking for the cash. $25 really isn't very much money.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] exocetdj:
$25 is totally justifiable. I have had to help out a couple of people who were on branded handsets and s on who didnt make backups of thier original software and no nands were in the collection thread.

basically they had a certain firmware but couldnt upgrade it due to being s on and were up sh#ts creek without apaddle as they could not find a rom that would work with thier firmware, leading to problems with no wifi etc. I was able to make these nands as I was s off.

Being s off makes it much easier to solve problems.

Not to mention the time the devs put into it and the amount of devices they brick at thier own personal costs getting these exploits to work.

if its not justifyable and u end up messing ur phone up u were best staying totally stock in the first place
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Garrett_PL:
HTC did nothing at all for Firewater to stop working. Founders of Firewater (who are the same people whom founed Sunshine) decided that it is time to charge for every device that is S-OFF. I had two devices (same version of ROM, hboot, firmware, provider, country of origin, etc.) On one (one month ago) I managed to S-OFF with Firewater, second one (two weeks ago) I had to use Sunshine.

Lads should stop even bother to use Firewater, as it won't work now days. All that talking about HTC patching is worth nothing, no need for pretending good lads.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xunholyx:
Truthfully, that is what I think as well. (I do know that FW and SS are done by the same devs) I'm just repeating what has been stated on this site and really the only knowledge I have on this, but I do have assumptions.

But seriously, I can't blame them. Supply and demand and such. They put in a lot of work, they might as well get paid for it.

But.....

when you say HTC did nothing, are you sure?

It didn't stop working till the update to 4.4.3.

Do you have any links to back that up? I would be interested in reading up on it.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
There are still reports once in a while (however uncommon) of someone that buys a new M8 and firewater works. Probably old stock with older software on it (although that is not clear). But firewater is worth running, regardless. Its free and takes maybe 5 minutes to try firewater, no harm in doing so. So why should folks not at least try?

Yes, it should be understood that firewater probably won't work, and that there is an alternative that does work.

Stock ROM and kernel (possibly stock recovery also) has the best chance of firewater working (as well as sunshine).

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If you didn't run firewater (or possibly rumrunner) or sunshine before, you didn't have s-off.

S-off isn't required to flash ROMs, so this often causes confusion (you might think you had s-off, but you didn't).
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zer0Nehza:
sunshine

im also done s-off my M8 using sunshine.. its worth paying $25
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheEarman:
S-OFF

After trying rumrunner and firewater unsuccessfully, I also had to pay the $25 for sunshine. A good investment IMHO.

Yes, it is a bit expensive but you won't be charged if it cannot S-OFF your device, so you are 100% sure to be S-OFF after using it if you have to pay for it.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mirzatron:
So I have a converted GPE htc one m8 and i wanted to return it to sense but i found out its s-on. how do i fix this?
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LNJ:
You're right. How can an apk S-off your device and yet the fastboot not work anymore?

HTC One M8
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheCheeks:
I ran firewater, I know that for a fact and it "chugged" 3 bottles. I don't know when it switched back to ON.

Also $25 isn't a lot usually, but when you only have $5 to your name until your next paycheck, $25 is fairly substantial.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xunholyx:
There was a guy on this forum earlier this week that tried and failed with Firewater and asked for help getting it to work.

Somebody posted to use Sunshine.

He replied that it was okay, that after multiple attempts Firewater ended up doing the job.

So maybe try it a few times to see if it sticks. There is nothing to lose but a little bit of time since it is free.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] passion4tech:
Who is this guy you speak of?
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
I've seen a few reports (maybe 4) of firewater working (on recently purchased devices) in the past several weeks, on various threads. Maybe its old stock phones with old firmware, hboot, etc. Its not clear. But I agree its worth a few tries on firewater, since it costs nothing except a little bit of time.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Like its of any use, firewater doesnt work on your device. You don't even listen to the developer of the exploit !

Lol :)
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] passion4tech:
You're wrong Mr Hofs, I believe firewater can work on my phone. Redpoint73 believes firewater can still work why can't you?
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Because you are trying for weeks now. Just stop it buddy. When you don't listen to the actual developer of firewater you are truly hardheaded !!!

Edit :

And seeing you in every thread with the word "s-off" in it and you never succeed or succeeded as of now. It's pure despair and won't get you anywhere. Sunshine is the way and not even a guarantee until version 3 is out !
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
I only suspect (not even anything for certain) it might work on some devices that still have older software and hboot. I said its worth a few tries since its free. That's it. If you've already done that, give it up.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Believe me.....he did !!!
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xunholyx:
For three or four weeks now.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beaups:
This is a pretty bold and inaccurate statement to make. Firewater never worked on certain m7's, never worked on many m8's and has been actively patched by HTC with no fewer than 4 different strategies. Further, HTC has made production/component changes to further fight firewater's attack methods.

Builds are still updated to address bugs and other minor things, but that exploit is mostly dead at this point.

To suggest we magically make it stop working so we can " charge for every device that is S-OFF" is ridiculous. Your firmware, hboot, android version, etc. being the same between two devices means absolutely nothing.

Yes, I'm speaking to you [MENTION=6037459]Garrett_PL[/MENTION]
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Spot on B
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Then why not remove the old tools official websites. Sure, they can still be found on other pages, but at least the official websites will not promote them anymore.

What about that beaups ?

Good luck. Keep up the good work.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beaups:
Why remove them? Firewater still works on many devices and still gets a lot of use. So, no harm in people trying to see if firewater will work for them.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
True, if there is no harm done on the devices just by trying out firewater, then it's ok. But I thinK there are not so many devices out there S-OFFed by firewater recently, but that's beside the point anyway, I guess people are just getting frustrated because back in the day S-OFF was free and now it's not.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Yeah that's an endless debate/discussion that will continue for a while i guess......

It's like i bought a tv for 1400 euroos, after 10 weeks it's only 1000 euroos, why didn't they sell it to me for that price ?

It's a decision taken by developers and we (the users) have to take it for granted. But that's not being understood by everybody. Let's be glad the exploit exists and making it easier for at least warranty purposes. I mean.....what's 25$ if you have to send it in and have to pay 200$ because the phone is modified !

As i said.....endless :)
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I'm with you on this one. One of the best things that S-OFF does, is that the users can restore the device to pure stock, without any traces, like red text and tampered, modified and so on.

I think that for many it's the amount : 25 dollars. But for others it's just the idea that they have to pay for something, and this is the developers fault, I hate to say it, because they always released free stuff, with just a DONATE option, and people just got used to the idea of getting things for free.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xunholyx:
This is an old post, but I do know for sure now that it was in fact HTC that patched the exploits. I wasn't sure either way at this point, but the "HTC did nothing" part I was pretty sceptical about. I just figured the firewater/sunshine devs didn't want to keep putting in all the work after firmware updates for free. That's a lot of work and broken phones to do for nothing but a few thank yous.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ramsabi:
Used Sunshine

I used Sunshine too when firewater didn't work. I used it on a Developer Edition with bootloader off and rooted with TWRP. It went without a hitch and I paid $25.

I would like to believe that the Devs are being honest about HTC having blocked Firewater - because I would pay the $25 anyway even if HTC had not blocked it and the Devs want money. I think they deserve it.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] passion4tech:
Maybe there is one more thing I can try to get firewater to work. Will running firewater on a different computer make a difference?
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Nope. But feel free to try.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Of course it doesnt make a difference, the exploit didn't change and sure your device didn't change with it !!! Hahahah

Please stop posting about s-off now.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Hofs:
Here read this over and over again ..... and then again ! And that is the actual developer of s-off. If you can't believe him .......
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beaups:
I swear, you most be trolling all of us.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
Thanks for the info. It was never quite clear to me what the factors were that determined whether firewater worked or not. Some folks made the obvious/simple conclusion that it was merely software (main) number. But it never seemed as simple as that. Your statement explains why that is the case.

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The fact it still works for a small number of folks (maybe that happened to obtain devices from earlier production batches) would seem to me to indicate its an HTC change, and not something blocked by the devs.

The discussion about the fee amount is beating a long dead horse at this time. Some folks think its justified and okay, others disagree. The only thing that can be easily agreed on, is that the fee sure has spurred controversy and argument.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Garrett_PL:
Well I do know that for all coders, KARMA is big thing. So when two identical (software and firmware wise) devices might look the same for outsiders, for PRO Coders there is still one thing to check - KARMA. After all, world is full of magic - Christmas time is coming.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beaups:
I don't know if this is the result of a google translate fail, or if you are intentionally coming across as confused and unintelligible.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheCheeks:
What the **** are you even talking about?
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Garrett_PL:
It's very simple, I'm talking about developers of Firewater and Sunshine saying all the time that it is not their intention to stop free stuff (Firewater) from working in order to more folks using paid (Sunshine). I was suprised when after S-Off one device with Firewater, for second one (exacly same software version, firmware version, carrier, country of origin) had to use Sunshine. That is why I assumed that it must be something else which is stopping Firewater from work (and when devs are constantly saying that it is not in their intention, so no one was messing with Firewater "servers"), something that is different for every device, like soul, hehehe or karma.

To cut it short, and make it simple for You to understand - lot of bull**** with Firewater, if they want earn cash (which I completely understand) they should say " Firewater won't work any more, because it's free, if You want tho S-Off Your devices pay and use Sunshine " Comprende?
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jcase:
I love it when a know it all comes around the corner, especially when the facts were put in front of him.

Google the "whelp" error, its existed long before sunshine was even thought of. It has been mitigated at least three ways, one due to a hardware difference, one due to patching and one due to design changes. Identical firmware does not equate identical device. If you took your two phones apart, and compared the components, you would find some components are from different manufacturers, and some from different production runs, even if they are from the same production run at HTC. CPUs, memory, screen, heck even the USB connectors will not always be identical from device to device, even if the model number is.

If we wanted firewater to stop working, we could just shut it down the server and not build new versions. We have no reason to lie about it, and no one would have a right to complain if we decided to stop it. Heck if it were up to meme, I would have stopped it as soon as someone started with the lies (you), but [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] is far nicer than I.

Why would anyone put on a facade that it still worked, and still released new and updated builds monthly if it didn't work?

Toss your tinfoil hat, and stop spreading lies about us.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dottat:
Here's the last one i did for someone.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=57121863&postcount=451

It still works. What you have to understand (and I urge you to take this very seriously as your OP sounds accusatory) is that while two phones may be from the same country, carrier and OS it does NOT mean they are equal. Different hardware variances (cameras/motherboards/etc) can affect certain software exploits. For example, there are many many partitions on this device that are separate from the OS that come into play with such exploits. The timing of which said board leaves the factory determines which version image gets loaded to your phone.

Can you tell me your version info for tz and sbl partitions for example??? No you can't.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dottat:
Congratulations

http://firewater-soff.com

Story is over now.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neo:
Well, what do we have here? Yet again, another low post, non contributing, self entitled member griping about the cost of exploits with more conspiracy theories who thinks he actually knows how the developers work and think. This story gets so old that to save everyone the grief of having to read it all, I will do you all the delightful service of providing the cliff notes (since I'm such a nice guy).

Entitled member cries about exploits and talks about money surrounding it, has ridiculous notions that anger the developers (who have every right to put a price tag on their code) and all other developers and "real" XDA members, continues to gripe after being warned by site staff to stop, and is finally awarded an all inclusive one way free ticket to IP Bansville (since he likes receiving free stuff and all).

This particular story however has only just made it to the warning chapter but fret not my dear boys and girls, I guarantee that it always ends the same.

There is a free exploit. If that free exploit doesn't work, keep trying to your hearts content (it's free after all). If it still doesn't work, then there is an exploit that will most likely work for a small price, or your money back guaranteed. That's it.

Put up or shut up.

I don't want to read any more gripe about the cost of exploits or the old moaning theories about developers trying to monopolize against themselves with their code because, honestly? They can do whatever they want with their code.

You are all lucky and should be grateful that Sunshine hasn't doubled in price. I guarantee that even then people would continue to pay for it... After all, android is quite the obsessive hobby and what would you honestly be able to do here without root access?

Not a good idea to piss off the only developers holding the only key to unlocking your device now is it? Unfortunately, it's always the spoiled few who mess it up for the rest of us.

-Neo
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyStark R.I.P.:
In addition to TheOne... you too, could do this... if you weren't so lazy:silly:

Figure it out for yourself, if it's so unfair! People would be glad to have the labor intensive s-off you create... for free.

:Mod rant over:
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xunholyx:
Thanks [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] for finally closing the firewater site down! Trying to explain to people about the exploits being patched was really getting tiresome. For you as well I am sure. :good:
[Galaxy S III Accessories] wycure:
Not satisfied with the performance of my Galaxy S3 original battery now. Found a helpful review on Amazon:

“…MPJ pushed from 100%->18% battery.

Screen: Time on, 2h, 24m, 26s

Ingress: CPU total 1h 56m 2, CPU foreground 1h 55m 48s, GPS 2h 26m 54s.

These are pretty punishing numbers. Battery Monitor Widget informed me that the battery consumption was ~994 mA.

The Anker was pushed from 100->14%

Screen: 2h 13m 46s,

Ingress: CPU total 1h 33m 19s, foreground 1h 32m 43s, GPS 2h 10m 33s…”

I am ripe for picking both of them, but got one more question left. Does the longevity of aftermarket battery is same as original battery?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] PewPewBoom:
Inevitably....no

I'd say, go with Ankers just for their aftermarket customer support. Otherwise, keep purchasing extra stocks.
[Galaxy S III Accessories] weihuanglin001:
I have tried the way you said, but my s4 still runs out of power quickly. Seems not really useful.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] talha746:
hey guys so im in a rough situation, I turned on my phone and randomly got a message same something like: CM loader could not be run/loaded and wouldnt let me do anything on the phone. So i decided to wipe the phone and install a custom rom. Now when i get into the setup screen after 3 seconds the phone reboots. This continues to happen till i hold the power button down and turn device off. Does anyone know how to fix this? Any help is appreciated!
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tinyaznboi:
have you tried to just do a complete wipe and reflash the rom after the problem persisted?
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] talha746:
yeah i did with a different rom too, still same thing
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heisenberg:
And you did a full wipe (system/data/cache/dalvik cache) before flashing?

Transmitted via Bacon
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] talha746:
found the problem! i didnt check usb debugging when installing the rom. used this guide to help me: http://xdaforums.com/oneplus-one/help/stuck-bootloop-dont-usb-debugging-t2920564
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LakersEB:
Anybody else having issues with the "screen write" feature? Any ideas on how to fix it? All it does for me is take a screen shot, doesn't stay up to allow me to write on the screen. It did for the first couple days, but not doing it anymore.

Edit: Just cleared Nova as my default launcher, launched TouchWiz, and now it's working again even when I go back to Nova. Seems TouchWiz has to be running in the background for this to work...sigh...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xoo88:
I got the same problem too, at first I am using touchWiz, recently I installed Nova and found the screen write always not responding, i have to enter setting > application manager > all > screenwrite > force stop, then use s pen click screenwrite will work again, don't know why.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChicTek:
I have his issue also. A reboot fixes it but then it stops working again after the first screenshot I do.
[Droid Ultra Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tecsironman:
Anyone using inbox from google? Do you like it?
[Droid Ultra Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @work:
I am, its pretty nice. I organized my email into labels previously so this is like an enhanced version of that.
[Droid Ultra Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nguyenandtvt:
Can you invite me?:)

Nguyenandtvt2112@gmail.com
[Droid Ultra Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @work:
All out sorry
[Droid Ultra Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tecsironman:
Still need an invite
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronidz:
Hello ,

I bought a Galaxy S4 SCH - I595 , and came back to my home in Brazil , however it does not work galaxy data network , can not access the network , always appears restricted network , and already checked the EMEI it is not locked . what should I do ?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] es0tericcha0s:
Don't believe that there is a i595 version. Which one do you have again?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronidz:
Samsung SCH - I959

Sorry , your phone is a Samsung SCH - I959 GALAXY S4 CDMA , 16GB internal storage , 2 GB RAM , Quad -core 1.6 GHz Cortex - A15 & quad -core 1.2 GHz Cortex - A7 , chipset Exynos 5 Octa 5410 , Android version latest firmware update 4.4.2 CHINA .:good:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] es0tericcha0s:
I don't believe that variant is factory unlocked, which would explain your troubles.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronidz:
Rom compatible with the SCH-i959

I wonder qua Model HAVE A ROM COMPATIBLE with the SCH- i959 , paragraph I get a rom unlocked GSM Option , CAN BE IN English, the liver is more in Portuguese Language 'll be grateful .
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] es0tericcha0s:
Very few phones can be unlocked from just changing the rom. Like I can think of 3. And none of them are Samsungs.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronidz:
unlock

so what should I do to unlock the phone ?