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[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] kemonine96:
Huawei is basically saying "you're on your own" to anyone who received a device as a devloper. That's not a great position... It's a pretty solid slap in the face. My first thought as a developer is "ok, they are out, why would I bother". I'd cut more slack if the device was 18-24 months old but they are pushing this as their flagship currently and an alternative to the more expensive phablets on the market. Even Samsung provides "reasonable" support for "old" flagships better than this.

The crazy thing is the hardware should be more than able to keep up with 4.4/5.0. Unless they are jumping right to 5.0 this move makes 0 sense to me.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] 4L0M:
Modding. Mymind and xordos with my continual softbrick testing have managed to port a pretty much fully working TWRP onto my MT2-L05 device and I have uploaded a decrypted 4.4.2 rom for my Mate 2 in this forum, so why don't we collectively try and port it to your device, any help you need that are within my skillset I will happily provide....just a thought.. .... Download the rom I posted and see what you can come up with.. ..... .
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] kemonine96:
Does Huawei use a tool like RSD or Odin for system images or are devs stuck with manual disk images and the like via recovery?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] dzr:
Hmm, I was thinking about getting one of these, now I'm having doubts. If we only

get third party firmware, would I still be able to run software which will not run with root access ?

Have any of those developers who received the free phones mentioned their intentions?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
Right now I'd hold off. Buy something else. The operating system on this phone is already a year old. Support for things like Android wear etc will be questionable in 6 months.

If Huawei doesn't update it's phones you should go with something else. Just my opinion.

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] UrticantOwl:
I saw the blog post on my G+ feed earlier today. I'm not really shocked, but it still really feels like a kick in the teeth.

I'm not sure what kind of luck we'll have getting a custom KK/LP Rom running on this phone. Usually the manufacturer-provided ROM is used as a baseline for other modifications to be made. If we were to spin our own AOSP Rom, could we even find the drivers and kennel modules to make everything work?

Where do we go from here?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] kemonine96:
The kernel is up on one of the hosted Huawei sites. A quick once over at the BABBQ indicated it's a fairly vanilla Qualcomm 3.4 kernel with some Huawei bits sprinkled in. Shouldn't be much of an issue for 4.4. getting a 3.10 kernel up for 5.0 will be trickier and is a big question mark as 5.0 isn't officially released just yet. At the BABBQ we also discovered they didn't implement all of the modem modes in the ROM. Another developer told me they might take a closer look but gave no detail for timing.

I've been tinkering with adb backups, titanium and xposed lately and I'm not liking the stock ROM much. They omitted large chunks of the adb backup stuff rendering apps like Helium useless, the SD cards don't come through to the root context properly forcing you to enable a compatibility flag in SuperSU in order to make titanium work and apktool and other standard tools choke nicely on the system apks. I had to fall back to running the smali decompiler by hand to find the right hooks in SystemUI for a simple xposed hack.

Adding to the fun their version of Settings.apk is missing a number of standard features which you can only adjust via Tasker/SecureSettings or by hand behind the scenes. They also didn't implement encrypted storage in the vold storage stuff so you're screwed in an enterprise setting.

Based on what I've seen thus far a source based build is almost necessary if you want everything android has to offer. However, vetting a ROM to ensure various new functionality is 100% will be a pain.

Huawei left out a lot and the lack of 4.4 is a serious kick in the teeth.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] drvenom123:
Horrible

I just purchased this phone from amazon on July. I wouldn't mind the no update but I want to get a google watch in the next few months so I'm not very happy about this announcement. For some odd reason, Amazon is still letting me return this phone so I'm thinking of returning the phone. What is another phone that I can get at this price range?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] 4L0M:
You can use Huawei's Hi-Suite software to flash roms to phone from pc. You can also pack roms up into Huawei's update format and flash them in quick update mode from your phone's external sd card, or you can install via recovery.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] isarebe:
I bought mine on September 29 (didn't get it until early October) through the gethuawei site. I wonder if I can return it... I'll find out when there livechat is live today, the 29th of October.

After just one minor OTA update they officially announce no additional updates for their only US device... That's a deal breaker for me.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] _Perpetrator:
Damn, I was just about to buy this phone. Does anyone know of any good alternatives in Canada?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Nexus 5? Used flagships?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Kid_Ding:
Go spam them on g+! + my comment! (Seth Hin)

https://plus.google.com/116259104144339004134/posts/MwgooqkQpwK
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] icyboyice:
Not surprised , saw this coming from the early start . Thing is , there is no alternative with these features / size at the 299$ price tag . There are phones like the ZTE nubia / moto g / Blu products / etc but they don't hold a candle to this phablet . On another note , I've customized my phone to the max and i don't need a major OS update . Just me , this phone runs perfectly for my use . Fine if they just push minor OS fixes via OTA . Developers can be our saviours ! Let's not forget this isn't really a flagship ! You're paying for the experience as created/intended at the time . Let's wait and see :thumbup::cool:
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
Probably the Samsung Galaxy Mega.

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Kid_Ding:
I came from the mega. I like this phone more. But the mega does have its variety of Roms.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
The new Mega 2 has almost identical specs to the Mate 2 but comes out with Kit Kat and although doesn't have as much battery life it is removable. I'm trying to buy a Nexus 6. I'm not afraid to pay more for a phone, hell, I have 3 others. Currently G3, G2, Lucid 3. I'm hooked on the 6 inch screen.

The Mate 2 is a good phone. I'll probably keep it until it can't do what I want to do. I could get another year out of it. I really did enjoy rooting and modding again. It's been a while. But not something I have the time for very much.

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] telemike:
Dang, was about to buy the HAM2. Guess I'll look at ZTE ZMAX on T-Mo
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] p51d007:
Won't bother me one bit. I'm not a "latest & greatest" fan at all. If you were, why did you buy a device with "only" a 720p screen, snap400 processor and JB4.3?

Does your device work? Mine does and it rock solid stable. For the price, you really can't beat it. If I had to do it all again, I still would buy

one because IT WORKS!
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
hmm

I'm not trying to be the glass is half full type of guy and to confirm no kit-kat does suck but we kinda all knew we were not getting it and maybe over reacting. Didn't they post a picture of the LO3 on instagram offering out free lollipops? It does not seem cost effective for them to push out kit kat this late in the game then make lollipop right after it. Any thoughts?

Here is the photo link:

http://instagram.com/p/uTP9vyxryN/?modal=true

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It does work and it does work very well and I bought the phone because it is really the only great phablet out at the moment thats not $700 but I still have a smartwatch and that is a perfect example of a problem I will face in the next 6 months with this phone since I will not get the updates. I will be left behind. I work in the Information Technology field and getting left behind is suicide. I'm still confident we will get lollipop but thats just my thoughts.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] telemike:
Would you recomend the HAM2 still? I plan on getting 1.5 - 2 years out of next phone.

ZTE Zmax is on kikat and from T-Mobile
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
unfortunately. Yes I still love my phone. For anyone planning on using the device non rooted then yup!
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
No more Updaets

Never mind I spoke to soon. Mothr*F&F)(FIDFOHFUHFDKJKJKJ

see attached picture from HuaweiDeviceUSA

:rolleyes:

this is going to take forever to change all my reviews I left about this phone. all the videos! all the forms! hmmm.. a long day of editing tomorrow.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] MikeyLee:
There's never a good reason to stop supporting devices.

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Here's the problem I have with this. Cyanogen Mod, even if they can get something working on these devices we will most likely lose something. Whether it be camera functions, MMS or even worse, LTE we will most likely lose some functionality and that's B.S. for Huawei to just try to pawn off updates on developers in order to make their customers happy. The best thing that could happen would be for someone with a Mate 2 who knows how to port, to port the Mate 7 ROM or another Huawei KK ROM since it's manufacturer specific and contains many of the same features that our devices have. I have a note 3 with a full S5 port with 100% of everything working. It took the devs a bit of time to get everything 100% but that's what we really need.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] mtnecho:
Or they should be required to release the full source on the day they stop.

I'm not sure what can be developed considering the wonky screen resolution and camera situation.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] MikeyLee:
I know this doesn't have the screen size that our Mate 2 has but here is another alternative for anyone looking to return or sell their Mate 2

http://www.sharkk.com/sharkkreg-android-unlocked-5.0-hd-display-smartphone
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
If was going to sell it, I'd be going back to a more mainstream phone. No more obscure stuff for me.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
I'm gonna ride it out see what happens. still a great phone
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] kemonine96:
What camera situation are you referring to?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] MikeyLee:
They took the blog down. Too much heat probably LOL
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
LMAO! I was lighting their page up! and there website and Facebook. Huawei fuc***&
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] telemike:
Posh Mobile makes the re-branded Sharkk: http://amzn.com/B00NLM3GE6

From T-Mobile is the ZTE ZMAX with 4.4.2 and 5.7" screen
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] MikeyLee:
LOL I was too

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This picture is from the Android BBQ event a couple weeks ago and posted on the Huawei blog. If they don't update this device after posting a picture like this then they are officially the biggest bunch of dicks for a company I have ever seen.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] telemike:
Maybe (2% chance LOL)....just maybe Huawei decided to jump over KitKat and go to Lollipop as that would make more sense....
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] MikeyLee:
I'm not holding my breath lol
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] p51d007:
If you USE your device, and are not one of those that tinkers with it, you will have a good experience. Mine is 100% stock. 1500-2000 minutes phone, 12-24 photos, countless browsing, mostly work related since everything we do is web based, texting PER MONTH, not one glitch FC, reboot or anything. Very enjoyable experience.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
I second that the device is still a top notch device however this is xda and we're that tinkers
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
My thoughts on the updates

Here is my thoughts on this whole BS

[youtube]RAXtKNYn-G0[/youtube]
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
I didn't know that they took that stuff down. That makes things even more interesting. I also didn't know they claimed that support would end entirely.

Again, only time will tell what on earth is happening here. I do hope they know what they're doing. Hopefully this was just a big misunderstanding between Huawei and Huawei USA.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
yes and just to stir the pot more [MENTION=4968780]ScoobSTi[/MENTION] the lollipop photo is still up.

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BTW love the NoWei picture. LMAO!
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Yup, I just saw it.

And haha thanks. But really, if they do release Lollipop, I will take back all the cursing and bad thoughts I've had about them and get rid of that image. :p
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
I think they are scrapping the Mate 2 myself. If they wanted to sell more phones, making an announcement we were getting lollipop would have helped them sell a boatload. I was in that string on Facebook and asked them to make that announcement if that's what they were planning, the response from Ron, from Ecomerce management was, we wish we could, we tried but from here on out were firing on all cylinders to support the future devices. By the way, I also mentioned how Google isn't going to support Google wear on 4.3 anymore in about 5 months. Based on the 18 month rule they started last year. Devices will only be supported with Google app updates for 18 months from its last Android Version launch day on the device. Google made this decision to try to make OEMs continue to support their devices with updates because they knew the customer would backlash. It worked. Most are getting better at updates. I'm so pissed I'm thinking about a public burning of my Mate 2 on YouTube

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What's freaking crazy is I had to use my G3 today and I was just reminded how freaking good the Mate 2 is in so many ways over the LG G3 at half the price. Best battery life of any stock phone I have ever had, Best bluetooth range, best wifi range, really well optimized, lag free for the specs. Love the ratio of screen to phone size. I think this phone is a winner. abandoning it is a mistake. People were starting to talk about it. CNN put it in the list for the top 5 alternatives to the Iphone 6+. Podcasts I listen to were all praising it. Just freaking crazy.:confused:
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Well, my next phone will be a mainstream phone then, preferably a Nexus. If prices continue to rise I'll just get a used one. It really is a damn shame with this phone. They're making a terrible mistake.

And if you do incinerate your phone, stay the hell away from that battery haha.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] kemonine96:
On the flip side if enough devs take notice of devices like the MAT2 then the support problem gets minimized. If I was just getting into the source based ROM stuff the MAT2 would be a great place to be. Lots of opportunities here for the small or independent players.

I worked on the Samsung Rugby Smart and Pro phones for 18-24 months. Being part of a smaller group of devs and users was pretty great. Less politics and more time hacking.

And to answer the obvious question: I'm not working on a ROM at this point. I'm still evaluating the feasibility of a daily driver phablet and the MAT2 hardware. $300 was just low enough to take a leap of faith.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
Android Authority picked up the story.

http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-ascend-mate-2-no-kitkat-android-4-4-update-544972/
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy Exhibit 2 and that was also a part of a small group of developers, maybe around 2 or 3 left by the time I "left" that section for this one. I believe it had 4 or 5 KK ROMs as well. On a phone that came out in 2011 or 2012.

So yeah, I understand what you're saying. The thing is though, I wanted to move away from custom ROMs as they were usually unstable and buggy, and instead rely on stock stuff. But now I want them back? Which is funny.

Yeah I just found it and "raged" a bit.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] mtnecho:
So, umm, the original blog post has been taken down......

What the heck?!?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] isarebe:
I am sending mine back today. Washing my hands of this phone. It wasn't a bad device, it's just that without official support it's relevancy life span drastically decreases.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Yup, either the whole thing was a misunderstanding of some sort, or it's true and they didn't want to deal with all the rage.

Well that's how I see it haha.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] mtnecho:
Probably decided to hide from it. Phonearena and everyone else picked up the story, linked it, and mocked that assinine choice of images.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] isarebe:
The deleting of the "no kit-kat" image from their various social media accounts as well as the blog posting just adds more sketchiness to an already sketchy situation. I hope this is all a misunderstanding and the HAM2-L03 gets Lollipop. I am less than hopefully. My Ascend Mate2 is scheduled to arrive back at Huawei USA on Tuesday. I just hope they don't dispute the return. Their website says 30 day return but their invoice says 20 days.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] mke1973:
I don't think they have any intention of doing Lollipop. They've orphaned the HAM2 and simply want to sell their existing stock. People are still complaning about no KK on their US Facebook page and their response has been, "Life goes on." I don't know if the HAM2 has sold so below their expectations that they just want to exit this market and end their first real direct sales approach in North America. (They've been in the business long enough to know that if they wanted carrier support that they would have had to reach out to them during product development.) I don't know what Huawei's expectations were with the North American HAM2. I suspect that the HAM2 will be their one and only phone with North American LTE bands, unless they want to try to deal exclusively with carriers. Chinese manufacturers really need to hire North American marketing consultants if they want to enter this market. Consumers here will express their frustrations and anger in social media. Huawei seemed unprepared for the reaction to their ham-handed way in dealing with their North American consumers. They're also totally blind to the language in their own marketing campaign and the implied promises to upgrade this phone to KK. Although I don't want to see Google Android become a walled garden, like Apple, the HAM2 is a prime example of how bad fragmentation is for Android fans. A manufacturer is orphaning a device that has only been selling for about 6 months and is still being sold. Unfortunately, Google has decided to let fragmentation prevail, especially since the EU is opening up an anti-trust investigation ala MS and the "Explorer" complaints. (The EU will focus on Google apps being forced on Android "OEMs.")
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
I've been thinking about selling this and then getting a used Note 3. Anyone got any experience with Notes? The only Samsung phone I've ever had was a cheap, terrible one.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] kemonine96:
Watch out for the boot loader locks and Knox breaking root. I think the Note 3 was "safe" for root/ROM but they've pushed some updates since it launched that might break things. Definitely do some digging.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Thanks, I did hear some things about Knox. Will definitely check it out first.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
Look into a used HTC one max. A lot of support for that device in the forums and it will be updated to lollipop. Better specs then the Mate 2, 1080p screen etc. Boom Sound front facing speakers. Never been a fan of Samsung. Just too heavily skinned. Great specs but bogged down by touch wiz.

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
anyone know a good 6 inch phone or better for around 400? I need a pablet not not 5.5 screen. LTE is a must. I can't find any
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] bob60626:
Mega or Z Ultra?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
I thought ~5.5 and upwards were all considered phablets?
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
not for my blind a**. I think this phone is way better then the mega and sony is $$.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] isarebe:
http://www.expansys-usa.com/sony-xperia-z-ultra-c6833-unlocked-lte-16gb-white-251964/

$10 more than the HAM2-L03...
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
My G3 is 5.5. About the same size as most 5 Inch phones. I wouldn't consider it a phablet. Way smaller than the Mate 2. Prefer the Mate 2.

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] superbass311:
I upgraded to this phone from an LG Optimus g pro which was great but wanted a bigger phone because I use it all day and I thought this phone was more complete then the Sony pos z. that screen cracks a lot. 2 people I know owned that phone and both have it no more so I choose HAM2 but no support makes me gonna give it to my gf and upgrade once again once I find a better LTE pablet and the Sony isn't it
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] dzr:
Yes , numerous reports of screen cracking. The model is also over one year old, so while it'll get Lollipop, it's probably not going to go much further than that.

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On Huawei's Facebook page, the mention the Newegg deal. Someone posted that the Consumer Cellular (inexpensive to unlock) version is on clearance at target for $124.98 . I don't see it online and havent checked a store.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
I posted that. Read it in these here forums. :p

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] dzr:
Oops, I guess I missed that. I've just been looking at this thread recently.

Hmm, will the phone work as a wifi tablet , if I don't put in a SIM?

I was really interested in this phone, until the kitkat issue.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Coffee Freak:
Yep, and I actually prefer it to my Nexus 7. You can put pda net on it and bluetooth tether to the phone. Much more energy efficient then wifi hotspot tethering. No more power than normal bluetooth.

Sent from my MT2L03
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] arcadesdude:
new news What does this mean?

http://blog.gethuawei.com/huawei-device-usa-updates/
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Mozgus:
Oh man...crossing fingers...
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Ha... ha... updating everyone...
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Gir357:
I hope I hear something soon, because If I don't I may spring for a nice used Galaxy S5....
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Kid_Ding:
Regretting buying this phone a little less now lol
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] ScoobSTi:
Not even a Note? Seems like the more "logical" route lol.
[Huawei Ascend Mate 2] Zagzagel:
Based on the responses to the original blog post, it is obvious many people are passionate about their HAM2. This is actually good news for Huawei. If people were ambivalent or didn't care about phone, you wouldn't see such negative reactions to the announcement.

I certainly hope the product and development teams at Huawei listen to their US customers and provide an update for the MT2-L03. If they do, it will increase the probability that we will purchase another phone from Huawei in the future. If they don't, you will probably see people migrate to the Nexus 6, or some other phone that is more likely to be kept up to date.