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[Galaxy Note 4 General] electech13:
I love this phone. It's a beast and tops in many ways. Sure TW could be better but there are do many ways around this.

Yes the camera is amazing too (although I believe it has one major flaws in its firmware - too slow of a shutter speed that causes mid level lighting shots to often get motion blur)

But aside from that my one beef (with Sammy more in general cuz it's on most of there phones) is this:

Not implementing the Camera2 API's in LP! WTF were they thinking? Why why why would they leave that out?

Not surprised as this is typical Sammy but I'm very disappointed nonetheless..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] MrMeek:
Ive had mine for several months now and love it, The only issue I have is no root, but looks like the wonderful devs here are making it happen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] monkor:
I'll be honest I've definitely had some lag and slowdown. More than on the iPhone I switched over from and even more than the Note 3 I had before that. It's on par with the Note 2 I had in terms of lag. That'd unacceptable. And I'm pretty much completely stock
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdm9mm:
I have N910C and I don't feel any lag, I know what you mean by LAG because I used to own a Note 2 and Note 3...

I owned the N910F also which did LAG and heated up easily.

On the aluminum side, I prefer the plastic back which is removable/replaceable/changeable with a bigger battery, unlike HTC which is like iCrap. I also used to own HTC Desire when it first came out, though the battery was replaceable, it is limited to OEM and same size battery because the battery slides from the side.

I agree, Samsung is somewhat loosing loyal customers because it is slowly shifting it's products to mimmick YET AGAIN the iCrap with no micro sd support and non user replaceable battery. But then, it could have been potentially gaining new users who are not yet members of the iSheep. And I think these types of people OUTNUMBER us, so Samsung does not care, it is all about money making anyway and as long as there are stupid people like the iSheep, Samsung will produce dumbed down devices.

BUT, if Sony will change strategy, in that it will change it's devices with replaceable battery and micro sd support, and if NOKIA will start using Android, I am sure people like myself will jump ship because people are getting tired of Samsung.

Let's see what the Note 5 and S7 brings...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I am an unhappy Samsung user

I have been using Samsung devices for a long time. I have a note 4 n910c. Before that I had a note 2 and before that I had a galaxy s i9003. I have a note 10.1 2014 also. I also have a microwave oven and a tv. I am a victim of the Samsung flood of devices. I forgot to mention the gear 2 which I pre-ordered before was even in the stores.

The galaxy s was left in the dust for some reason with android 2.3 when the other people around were using 4.x. It got ruined while I was trying to put some custom roms with 4.x on it.

Note 2 was fine until the 4.4.2 update. After that Bluetooth was completely ruined (n7100) and it became more and more problematic to use it. Also Samsung did not considered good enough to get s-health on it and using fit with gear for my gear 2 was like using a crippled application.

Not learning anything from all these experiences I got a Note 4. I was very excited about it. It was short. After the excitement was gone I realized that the standby time is less than a day and that is draining battery like crazy whenever I use Wireless. Even when in standby and wireless is on. 30% in a night. Then back to the forums, looking for solution, do factory reset etc etc. Nothing helps. I am very very disappointed and I promised myself not to get another Samsung device.

My gear 2 has got no new useful application, Runtastic stopped working after less than a month now I am forced to use Endomondo which is the only one working decent. I am sure the stupid and expensive apple watch will have more apps from the day one. No effort from Samsung to bring anything to the watch. In a few month a new one will popup and mine will probably be left in the dust as "old".

The TouchWiz on Note 4 is already "old" because S6 has the "new" one and Samsung never pushes any updates to the older devices. I am already "old" after less than six months.

I look with envy at my mothers ipad 2 getting the latest ios. I do not like ios but what Samsung does is ripoff and I think the only reasonable option is to use the nexus devices.

I am fed up with having to check sammobile every single day to see if there is a new firmware, maybe my phone will work better. Maybe Samsung has the mercy to fix its problems. I am probably to old for this. I will not get another Samsung device. It has been a painful and expensive experience.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
Sry robert, but your storry smells. My note 4 drains max. 2 % per hour with 4 active sync push accounts plus gmail sync and one additional imap account. If you have those severe problems then it is due to some crap apps that drain and that will happen with every android phone for you until someone slaps your fingers and stops you to install crap. Entering the forums for help is good but you forget that this is not a paid support service. Posting and asking for help, then doing what the first noob recommends (factory reset) and after that did not work claiming it is samsungs fault is not how it works. You dont come here, post a problem and wait for the the magic solution to your problem. The forum is a place where you can get the knowledge and the necessarry tools to bring yourself inyo the position to solve things. Why would anybody here on the forum spend more energy spending YOUR problem, when yoh cant be arsed to spend the time to help yourself?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I have seen many people with posts like yours and if you are aware there are threads with the issue my phone has. Many N910c have this issue. I have a service request opened four days ago with no answer.

If you have a N910c which county rom are you using amd which version. I already checked how much power the phone uses with factory default apps and it does not last one day in standby when wireless is on. I am a technical person I thought as much. You are quick a throwing mud. I wish everyone posting in this forum would be honest and stop posting 8 hr SOT. I have no issues man, my phone has. You however seem to have samsung fan boy dishonesty
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I had very good battery life on the note 2 with the same type of usage. I had high expectations for note 4 this is why I am maybe so disappointed. I had a battery kit for note 2 which I did not have to use very often. I have one now for note 4 and I have to use it because it does not last through one day. I consider myself a typical user with one gmail, facebook and one work account on good for enterprise. Note 4 is charging very fast, bluetooth is much better, call quality is much better, I am happy with the design, the battery life is complete crap. I did not have time to enjoy it because it was bugged since day one. Why each device needs to have some issues so instead of focusing on some content or how I could use the smartness of the phone to optimize my daily routines I need to look for solutions for problems instead. I wanted to get the snapdragon model instead but this is not an option in Turkey, only exynos model is sold here. I am sure that it has less issues than the exynos model. Looking at the reviews of the S6 I believe it will have the same under one day battery life due to WiFi battery drain.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yoniinfante:
Im sorry to dissapoint you but heres my battery life daily...and im very happy with this phone :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I would be happy to see these stats on my phone. Is this a n910c?

On my phone I have android system, Android os, google play services on the top of the battery draining apps. I do not play games much on the phone, just using pocketcasts and YouTube, Good for enterprise. I receive very few emails on Gmail.

If I turn the wireless off everything looks more normal and similar with what I have seen on note 2 but on my old phone I did not have to turn the WiFi off. I need Wi-Fi with the price of the mobile data here. I see a lot of people posting this issue on many forums not only here.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yoniinfante:
yes N910C rooted stocked kernel, Anatolia Rom,

First of all, UNISTALL any battery monitor crap, or whatever u have on ur phone, get Titanium Backup to freeze any type of bloatware u don't use, next READ CAREFULLY THIS THREAD, READ AGAIN, AND READ AGAIN, AND FOLLOW EVERY STEP...AGAIN READ AND FOLLOW, I will guarantee a better battery life...hope it helps, and report back please, cheers

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/general/disabling-google-play-services-guide-t2999821
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I do not want to root the phone, thanks however for the suggestions. I think it is no to much to expect it to work as good as two generations older phone with the stock rom. The fact that you get better stats with a custom room shows that it is a software problem most probably which may be fixed in the future with a software update. Again at Samsung's mercy. My exynos note 10.1 2014 tablet does not drain battery on standby. Note 2 n7100 again exynos had no such issues. Note 4 exynos has the problem both on 4.4.4 and 5.01.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdm9mm:
I have a N910C and I get 6 hours SOT purely watching Netflix via Wifi and screen on Auto brightness +2, phone sitting next to my window.

I have disabled a lot of stuff I don't use like fb, google+, messenger, etc. And emails are on manual updates. I use KnoX too, and this has a negative effect on battery life...

You can use Greenify (paid version) to automatically put apps, even system apps to sleep without ROOT
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
My experience has been hot and cold. My partner had the S4 for a year and I just didn't like how Samsung implements it's environment. I was going to buy the HTC M8 but they were out so I bought the note4. It's a lovely big screen but touchwiz is awful. The thing is, it's cleaner to use than other launchers like Nova because - the Note 4 can get a bit choppy to use! I was a little disappointed here... My LgG2 is very quick so I was expecting a little more from the Note. Then, I've experienced freezing... At least once a week, the phone will just freeze and reboot. It's an excellent phone, great camera and the size and build are very solid but the user experience is underwhelming. My biggest let down though is the battery. I was hoping to get at least a day out of it but I still have to carry my charger around.

I think they have a lot of work to do to marry their software to the hardware they offer so that using their devices becomes an easy, smooth, joyful experience rather than feel like driving a very powerful tractor.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
i agree with you, robertbr108, that a phone should work in stock condition.

if you don't want to root, that is OK, but that limits your options somewhat.

let me tell you what i would do to search for the cause of the problem.

1. factory reset

2. wipe cache and dalvik cache in recovery mode (just in case)

3. setup your phone with a brand new google account, just to make sure you don't get the drain problems, because of some apps that get automatically installed due to your google account

4. setup wifi and check for a night if the phone still drains with the brand new google account and without any apps installed

5. if it does, than it is a hardware fault for sure

6. if it does not i would remove the new google account and add your google account after that (without choosing the option to backup and restore settings)

7. you are now with your google account but without apps and should test over night if the drain is happening

8. if the drain is happening now it is due to your google account.

9. if the drain is not yet happening, install 5 apps you usually would install and check for another night if the drain comes back.

10. if it does, you better install something like betterbatterystats or some tools to check which of those has the most processor time (you can probably even do this with the stock energy/battery app in settings)

11. use greenify or titanium backup to put that app to sleep/hibernate (not sure if both apps allow it without being rooted though)

12. check for another night if drain is still happening.

... if the drain does not occur after installing the first 5 apps, install further 5 apps you usually use and check for the night as well.

other tools that might help you are "wakelock detector" & gsmbattery

if you think that those steps mentioned by me are too exhaustive it just means you are not engaged enough to solve your problem. if you do not know how to accomplish a step i wrote down for you, do not ask here, but check the forum. everything is there and you are not the first to have your problem and will probably not be the last ;)

good luck

--EDIT--

i just read that you wrote in another thread that the only thing that keeps the drain from happening is if you switch of location services. i do not know about the others but it is common knowledge that you do NOT keep GPS activated especially not at night. you do not keep your car lights on when you step out the car and go home at night, do you ? GPS is something you really only activate on demand and every app that will need location services (like google maps or navigation apps) will prompt if you want to start GPS/Location services anyways if it is needed. really disable GPS and come back if you still have that drain, if not this is totally expected.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
Thank you for your recommendation, I will do so and let you know the results.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] electech13:
Google services should NOT be close to top of your drain list but I've heard a lot of that lately since some recent google updates. Killing a lot of battery power for many.. Keep an eye on that.. There are ways to help counteract that..

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"The thing is, it's cleaner to use than other launchers like Nova"...?? You are talking about TouchWiz!? Wow..

And "the Note 4 can get a bit choppy to use!"

Unfortunate your setup is like that cuz this phone smokes! I'm crazy fast and snappy with basically no lag anywhere, ever.. Except with TW, which I used for all of 5 minutes when I first got it.. Nova just flies on this thing.

I have two Note 4's and one is stock unrooted and one rooted (and rom'd now but did stock as well for a bit too) and they both work great. My rooted and rom'd is even better though with FireKat v11 on it (modded stock rom)

But anyways, I'm surprised to here you say that the TW launcher is best.. Outside of that it sounds like you need some tweaking done cuz this hardware is beastly and *should* run smooth.. Mind you I AM a lonnnng time TW hater and is Samsung's #1 way of screwing up their otherwise great phones but it's bearable on this phone and with some proper tuning the phone smokes
[Galaxy Note 4 General] soralalp:
I do not call it a phablet if it does not have spen and multi tasking. That simple. No need to dig further.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] riz157:
Lol. Most people don't share that view.

Phablet is much more then just multi tasking and pen, people demand more. Even Samsung are revising that, wait and see note 5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] soralalp:
That was an argument against your point of view. You claimed that litte things like better fingerprint scanner makes iphone 6 plus more reliable on real life conditions. I was telling you that is not the case. Iphone 6 plus is just a big screen phone, nothing more. I have my note 4 for months now and i don't see any lags on it. And note 5 will be much more than this, indeed.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I believe in a few years Samsung will only be a supplier of parts for Apple. Chinese companies will take its place in the market in the same way they took the lead in the pc market. Android is developed by geeks for geeks this is why I like it. However most people don't. This is why Apple has a better experience for the average user and sales more. Samsung tries to bring their own tizen in the play but it is very week so far and looking at my gear 2 they did not have the power to bring even basic stuff. Not even a watch face new in the library. It looks abandoned. They have no consistent approach to their devices. You cannot behave with a smartphone like with a washing machine. I am writing this from my Note 4 but I am pretty sure that I will not get another Samsung device. I do not want to have to check for firmware every day or wonder when Samsung will stop updating it. Or why the updates to the interface are not pushed to my device when it is less the six months old. Or why it makes me feel like I have an old device after only a few months.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
The difference between apple and android is simply the customers and their expectations. Apple users buy the device without caring for the functions and features. Only thing they get by the ios updates is a more laggy phone. Android users buy the phone because of the features and ***** around after one week already that there is a phone getting released with a new Android version that has features they suddenly can't live without anymore.

It is a crazy mindset that people feel entitled to the latest android version even though every court/judge in the world will tell you that you spend money on the phone as it was when purchased and you have no entitlement for anything more.

Gesendet von meinem SM-N910F mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
It is not only about the new features, it is about fixing bugs. I do not mind the new features however. When some get them for example nexus people and you don't you feel like your device is deprecated already. The customer satisfaction I think is more important than what you are legally entitled to. I do not expect my fridge to be updated but I do for the phone. Especially if it has issues.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
And that is why Samsung is topping customer satisfaction ratings right now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] elevul:
What disappoints me the most is that despite knox and all the warranty issues, Samsung didn't allow people a legit way to have root access for critical apps like Titanium that require it.

I work in Bruxelles, an extremely dangerous city (only two times in my life I was robbed was there), and for me having the knox protection if the phone is stolen is very important, but I also want to have root access for Titanium so I can have it scheduled to have a full cloud backup of the phone every night like I was doing with the N7000, so if the phone gets stolen I can just get another one, restore and be back to work. :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
I would be willing to pay a subscription to have the latest updates
[Galaxy Note 4 General] elevul:
Please don't give them ideas...

We already have to pay $800 for these goddamn devices.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Batfink33:
Brussels is an extremely dangerous city?!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
regular users do not need root access so why would samsung put a big gaping security flaw into their phones while on the other hand try to convince businesses that the phones are secure enough to be a business phone with business critical data ? there is no legitimate way to get root access because you simply don't need it. the only reason you think you need root is because you rooted and customized your phone in the first place and made it work in a way it was not intended to be run by samsung.

it is totally reasonable by samsung to cater to the masses and not compromise a millions peoples security for some geeks who got too much time on their hands to kill with changing their phone every two hours. there are enough apps that will backup your phone data without having root, so what do you need root for ? to freeze apps that are stock on your phone ? guess what, that is not the intended use of your phone. you can do it, but then live with the consequences. what do you think bmw would tell you if you told them the engine of your car is broken after you fiddled around with the cylinders and shafts by your own ? right, no warranty for that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdm9mm:
with the different types of Note 4's just like the older Notes and S's, why not Samsung also make a "Developers" edition phone, without the knox, but then they could also say "No warranty" on the said devices.

That way, geeks will be happy flashing new roms every night until 3 in the morning... and the "security conscious people" can sleep knowing their data is safe, and the average people, with higher intellect than the iSheep/iCrowd/iStupid, will also be happy looking at their phones...

EVERYBODY Happy!

Happy ! Happy! Happeeeeee !!!!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] v1rtu4l:
You should check the sales figures of those Google play/developer editions. Samsung sold very very few of those because most would take the carrier provided phone because it is cheaper anyway. It is not really sensible to maintain a different firmware build for a few geeks.

Samsungs firmware developers have enough to do already, no point in hiring a new team to build firmware without bloat. In the end Samsungs services on the firmware is a source of revenue for them
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robertbr108:
When you get a PC if you get a new version of Windows you pay some money to Microsoft or whoever and get the new version and the updates for it from them. Not from the hardware manufacturer - except apple. I wish all the Android devices were the same.

With Samsung producing hundreds of models it is probably a huge cost to have all of them up to date for a long time. So they abandon them a short time after they are released like they are washing machines. S6 gets a new TouchWiz a few months after Note 4, Note 4 does not get it. S6 gets themes, Note 4 does not. S4 gets S-health, note 2 does not get it. S4 and up get Lollipop, Note 2 which has a very good hardware is at Samsung's mercy, if they feel like updating they will. And I speak about flagship devices, the mid range ones are worst.

Even mid range phones from Motorola get updates weeks after google releases them; Samsung or LG or Sony don't. My LG G pad 8.3 is still 4.4.2 despite the fact that the GPE edition had Lollipop for months now. While a lot of users do not care about updates I do. I like updates. They keep me interested in my device, I would use it for longer time and I would be certainly more satisfied with it. Changing it would become optional. With the beefy hardware and features today phones have, even the mid range ones, they could go on for a long time. I would be happy to pay for subscription to keep my device updated then having to look for a new device after one year.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] elevul:
Please, tell me of an app that can be scheduled to make a full backup of all apps and data every 24 hours and upload them to my google drive and to my samba server and then restore them without any issue on a new device like Titanium does.

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$800

EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS for these devices.

Each of them.

I'm sure Samsung can spare a few guys to keep them updated, considering a random guy on xda can do it on his own, for free.

And this is exactly why they won't do it. They would rather you buy a new $800 device than pay them $10 a year for updates.